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| Anz_ | Stskeeps, ban everything that says bit{dot}do? | 02:50 |
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| Betty30 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 04:03 |
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| sharefree | hi | 04:15 |
| sharefree | Where can I buy Jolla ? | 04:15 |
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| sharefree | hi Thoric | 04:18 |
| sharefree | do you use jolla ? | 04:18 |
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| pahartik | sharefree: Can you walk to "DNA store" in Finland? | 04:39 |
| sharefree | pahartik, no I cannot | 04:39 |
| sharefree | I think its too costly.. its for 400 Euros right ? | 04:40 |
| sharefree | pahartik, r u on jollamobile right now ? | 04:43 |
| pahartik | sharefree: I have device | 04:43 |
| sharefree | ok | 04:44 |
| sharefree | is it full gnu/linux ? | 04:44 |
| lpotter | what do you mean by 'full'? | 04:44 |
| pahartik | sharefree: Yes, "glibc 2.15", "bash 3.2.51", "systemd 187"... | 04:47 |
| sharefree | pahartik, I mean is something trimmed down from a regular gnu/linux OS other than the layer of UI ? | 04:48 |
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| lpotter | well.. there is no man pages | 04:51 |
| sharefree | lpotter, hehe ok | 04:52 |
| sharefree | anything else / | 04:52 |
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| pahartik | sharefree: Personally "Sailfish Linux" feels less like embedded system than "Maemo Linux", for example | 04:54 |
| sharefree | oh | 04:55 |
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| sharefree | pahartik, I think I cannot buy it as they do not ship it to my place | 05:00 |
| pahartik | sharefree: Maybe you can wait for while and see when it is available | 05:04 |
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| sharefree | pahartik, how long do I have to wait ? | 05:36 |
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| pahartik | sharefree: That I do not know... It seems most of Europe is covered at moment | 05:46 |
| sharefree | i live in Asia | 05:46 |
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| Yaniel | your best bet is probably to wait until D-Phone starts selling them then | 05:51 |
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| sharefree | Yaniel, D-Phone ? | 06:03 |
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| Naomi19 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 06:03 |
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| Yaniel | sharefree: a phone retail chain in China. They have a distribution deal with Jolla. | 06:07 |
| Yaniel | What part of Asia are you from? | 06:08 |
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| sharefree | Village - Suhana | 06:10 |
| Yaniel | Country? | 06:12 |
| Yaniel | sounds like India | 06:16 |
| Yaniel | lots of people have asked if or when Jolla will start sales in India | 06:17 |
| Yaniel | so chances are good once they start in Asia anyway | 06:17 |
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| 16WAAR63R | sharefree: or you can ask someone to buy and send it to you? | 06:27 |
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| Yaniel | if you trust people on the internet ;) | 06:27 |
| Dima^ | true | 06:28 |
| Dima^ | but if you have some known friend in Europe? | 06:28 |
| Sidde | And don't trust Finns, they all have knives | 06:29 |
| Dima^ | :D | 06:29 |
| Dima^ | Yes, I do have knives. | 06:29 |
| pawky|2 | probably forks as well... | 06:29 |
| pawky|2 | maybe a spoon or two? | 06:30 |
| Dima^ | nobody make nice forks or spoon. But finnish knives are state of the art. | 06:30 |
| Sidde | pawky|2: those facts has not arrived here. We only know of the knives and alcohol | 06:30 |
| pawky|2 | ahh... still living in the 15 century are we?, only eating with knives? | 06:31 |
| Sidde | And maybe drunk strangers at weddings | 06:31 |
| pawky|2 | probably only the first part... | 06:31 |
| pawky|2 | maybe that guy from india could be friends with jolla, so they send him a phone :-) | 06:32 |
| Dima^ | http://www.marttiini.fi/epages/MarttiiniShop.sf/fi_FI/?ObjectPath=/Shops/MarttiiniShop/Categories/Lahjapuukot aren't these beautiful? | 06:33 |
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| sharefree | Dima^, would you do it ? | 06:34 |
| Dima^ | knives? | 06:34 |
| pahartik | Dima^: I eat with wooden chopsticks fairly often | 06:34 |
| Dima^ | probably, when I got my workplace in to the basement of the new house | 06:35 |
| Yaniel | so do I, but then I don't think I'm your average finn | 06:35 |
| Dima^ | pahartik: I eat also, when I buy chenease food :) | 06:35 |
| Dima^ | with sticks | 06:35 |
| Dima^ | sharefree: but sure I can buy you Jolla and send it to you, if you cover all costs. | 06:36 |
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| sharefree | Dima^, how much would it cost to me in China ? | 06:36 |
| pawky|2 | maybe you finnish guys should start carrying chopsticks instead... :-) | 06:37 |
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| Sidde | pawky|2: the pub brawls would be a bit different then | 06:37 |
| Yaniel | yeah they could get a bit too lethal | 06:38 |
| pawky|2 | it shurely would... or should I say wood... | 06:38 |
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| Dima^ | sharefree: lets see for some info.. moment | 06:38 |
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| Dima^ | sharefree: what city is near? | 06:40 |
| sharefree | Shanghai | 06:40 |
| sharefree | :] | 06:40 |
| Dima^ | DHL's service can not fint Suhana | 06:40 |
| sharefree | Dima^, Shanghai ? | 06:40 |
| sharefree | My aunt lives there | 06:40 |
| Dima^ | found | 06:40 |
| pawky|2 | you've got to be kidding me... | 06:40 |
| Dima^ | do you know post code? | 06:40 |
| sharefree | No | 06:41 |
| sharefree | DHL = Lotta money :[ | 06:41 |
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| pawky|2 | maybe you could pay of a bicycle cab to come fetch the package in Finland? :-) | 06:41 |
| Yaniel | your aunt lives in Shanghai? then you could get it when sales start in China | 06:41 |
| pawky|2 | exactly.. | 06:42 |
| Yaniel | I hope that will be during this year | 06:42 |
| Yaniel | (didn't they target Chinese new year initially anyway?) | 06:42 |
| Dima^ | DHL's price is 162€ | 06:42 |
| sharefree | Dima^, no i do not want it | 06:43 |
| sharefree | I would buy an android device or try ebay | 06:43 |
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| Yaniel | mmhm, there are a few devices on ebay | 06:44 |
| Dima^ | ok finnish Itella's price is about 40€ | 06:44 |
| Yaniel | or at least were | 06:44 |
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| Yaniel | nope, looks like they are all gone :( | 06:45 |
| Dima^ | fastservice cost 46€ | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Dima^: fwiw remember that dhl/itella won't ship lithium batteries abroad | 06:46 |
| Dima^ | oh no.. it's 64€ for 1.5kg | 06:46 |
| Dima^ | Stskeeps: oh.. ok | 06:46 |
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| Dima^ | so then, no can do | 06:46 |
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| Yaniel | I'd say wait for sales start in China (or Asia in general) if you can | 06:46 |
| Yaniel | if you just need a phone right now better get some cheap android one | 06:47 |
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| pawky|2 | put jolla on a Nexus phone? | 06:50 |
| Yaniel | afternoon ericcc | 06:50 |
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| Sail0r | keira black rocks :) especially the sounds | 06:52 |
| Yaniel | I don't like the ringtone but no idea about the rest | 06:53 |
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| Sail0r | just received an email sounds very cool | 06:53 |
| Morpog_Jolla | yeah and the green theme is cool too | 06:55 |
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| Sail0r | did it finally work Morpog_Jolla? | 07:00 |
| Sail0r | or did you remove your ambience db? | 07:01 |
| Morpog_Jolla | yep, had to delete the db | 07:01 |
| Sail0r | :-/ | 07:01 |
| Morpog_Jolla | lost all my custom ambiences.... | 07:01 |
| Sail0r | would really like to know what happens to the db to become it fu**ed | 07:02 |
| Morpog_Jolla | but it works finally \o/ | 07:02 |
| Sail0r | yay | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | huh, I thought my ambience modification would be reset when I had to reboot | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | apparently it wasn't | 07:02 |
| ericcc | Yaniel: hellp | 07:06 |
| ericcc | Yaniel: long time no see | 07:06 |
| Yaniel | sorry, should have said 你好 :> | 07:07 |
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| ericcc | Yaniel: 下午好啊 | 07:36 |
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| Sail0r | hm my Jolla shows two updates of libs is it safe to install them ? libherepositioning and here-daemons | 08:00 |
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| Sail0r | version 1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: if it's in warehouse you see it, the only supported update mechanism is through store.. | 08:02 |
| Sail0r | saw it through pkcon because i wanted to install smth from mer-tools | 08:02 |
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| Sail0r | so i leave it at the old version? | 08:03 |
| Crystal27 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:03 |
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| stn^ | apparently that url doesn't change, maybe it's time to filter that | 08:06 |
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| Sail0r | Stskeeps: are libs currently updated through the store? | 08:08 |
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| sharefree | Sail0r, suppp | 08:24 |
| ar | sailfish on jolla doesn't utilize selinux, right? | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 08:26 |
| special | ar: not so far | 08:26 |
| special | anything could happen | 08:26 |
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| joonahoi | Stskeeps: can you +b *!*@95.141.20.196 there seems to have been a visit from a new incarnation of the pestering bot | 08:28 |
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| joonahoi | thanks | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/02/jolla-phone-news-sailfish-os-for.html - discuss | 08:37 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: ohh.. a angry nerds other half. but what does it do ? | 08:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm the wrong person to ask about that, but .. look pretty? | 08:39 |
| svuorela | oh. | 08:40 |
| special | you can throw your phone at walls to destroy them, I'd assume | 08:40 |
| svuorela | I was hoping something exciting. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, personally, i'm all on the other side of the spectrum :) | 08:40 |
| Raim | special: that sounds more like flappy bird | 08:40 |
| special | haha | 08:40 |
| Raim | special: angry birds never caused that level of frustration ;) | 08:40 |
| special | yes it does | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good point, why has nobody made flappy bird AR yet? | 08:40 |
| Bysmyyr_ | that f-secure thing is interesting, but their client do not work in linux | 08:41 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: I'm also not really into angry birds, but it would be exciting to see a other half that was more than ambience | 08:41 |
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| Sail0r | hm wasn't angry birds having problems with privacy? | 08:42 |
| ln- | anyone concerned with their privacy shouldn't be using a cell phone at all. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | what ln- said.. | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | we have a prototype somewhere made of potato powder though to emulate the feel of a jolla however | 08:43 |
| flux | yeah, I seriously doubt Jolla will be "ready" at March at the level consumers might expect | 08:44 |
| flux | but at least we'll get an upgrade then ;-) | 08:44 |
| PeperJohnny | The thing is that normal customers won't be so patient i suppose =( | 08:45 |
| Sail0r | ln-: yes i know that. But I must use one for work so i watch at the privacy on the device. One reason for buying a jolla was the privacy ;) | 08:45 |
| Sail0r | but it's cool | 08:45 |
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| Sail0r | I want to see photos of the angry birds toh :) | 08:46 |
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| svuorela | adding a rubberband and a pressure sensor could give a more 'live' experience | 08:47 |
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| Sail0r | I want the toh from the "preparing for mwc" picture :) | 08:49 |
| PeperJohnny | Sail0r: the pink one? | 08:50 |
| Sail0r | yep | 08:50 |
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| svuorela | oh. a pink one. I want | 08:50 |
| svuorela | z | 08:50 |
| Sail0r | http://www.jollausers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bg2MLUPCYAAEmaG.jpg | 08:50 |
| Waitee_ | that might be a cherry mx keyboard | 08:51 |
| Waitee_ | not sure though | 08:51 |
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| Jope | it is not a cherry mx keyboard | 08:52 |
| nahkiss | it's IBM model m | 08:52 |
| Jope | it is not an IBM model m | 08:52 |
| svuorela | Sail0r: nice table. is it yours ? | 08:52 |
| Waitee | :D | 08:52 |
| Sail0r | hehe no ^^ | 08:52 |
| nahkiss | well pretty close to Model M | 08:52 |
| Jope | the industrial design is a Model M copy, yes | 08:52 |
| jussi | love the dirty coffee cup... :D | 08:52 |
| Sail0r | but it wouldn't say no to that table ;) | 08:53 |
| svuorela | is it a barcode scanner next to the keyboard ? | 08:53 |
| Jope | meh, who bothers going back to the kitchen to wash it after drinking | 08:53 |
| Jope | yes, it is a barcode scanner | 08:53 |
| jussi | that table is a lot of work going on... good to see | 08:53 |
| Jope | <3 | 08:53 |
| Waitee | i've got a similiar looking keyboard which is cherry mx | 08:53 |
| Jope | a man is at his happiest when he has access to hardware | 08:53 |
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| Jope | waitee, this particular keyboard is mitsumi hybrid switch with buckling rubber sleeve springs | 08:54 |
| nahkiss | Waitee: Cherry MX is a keyboard key switch brand | 08:54 |
| Jope | indeed.. | 08:54 |
| Waitee | nahkiss: cherry mx also made keyboards themselves | 08:54 |
| Jope | the keyboard is incidentally also by mitsumi, but was OEMd for Commodore | 08:54 |
| Jope | cherry is the name of the company | 08:54 |
| Jope | cherry mx is the name of a particular line of switches that cherry makes | 08:54 |
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| Jope | but by no means the only cherry microswitch out there | 08:55 |
| Jope | just to split hairs | 08:55 |
| Waitee | well anyways it's Cherry keyboard with Cherry MX Blacks | 08:55 |
| Jope | yep | 08:55 |
| Jope | I don't like the linear cherry switches myself | 08:55 |
| Jope | I want a tactile snap | 08:55 |
| nahkiss | something like this? http://petermoulding.com/images/technology/keyboards/cherry_g81-3000_7.jpg | 08:55 |
| Jope | so blues or browns would be my choice if I went cherry | 08:55 |
| Waitee | i've got blues for typing | 08:55 |
| Waitee | nahkiss: older | 08:55 |
| nahkiss | I'm happy with blacks, don't know better tho | 08:55 |
| Venemo | hey | 08:55 |
| Waitee | i think it's g80-1000 | 08:55 |
| Venemo | so I saw this new jolla press release | 08:56 |
| Venemo | "The Wait is Over: Jolla Releases Sailfish OS 1.0 and is Now Ready to Scale up Globally" | 08:56 |
| Venemo | I thought we already had Sailfish OS 1.0 in our hands! | 08:56 |
| Jope | mmm, comms messages <3 | 08:56 |
| Waitee | http://pds13.egloos.com/pds/200906/27/89/d0015989_4a459c0277643.jpg | 08:56 |
| Waitee | that one | 08:56 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: you gotta sell it somehow^^ | 08:57 |
| Jope | waitee, nice and beige. :-) | 08:57 |
| PeperJohnny | i think it's a marketing thing | 08:57 |
| Waitee | found it in our university electronics disposal | 08:58 |
| Raim | Venemo: sorry, you only have 1.0.3.8. Jolla version numbers are #unlike? ;) | 08:58 |
| Waitee | :D | 08:58 |
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| Venemo | Raim: 1.0 > 1.0.3.8? | 08:59 |
| svuorela | I guess they mean 1.0~3.8 | 08:59 |
| Raim | Venemo: I'm just kidding | 08:59 |
| Jope | hehe | 08:59 |
| Jope | I'm not sure whether you're being serious or not about the version number | 08:59 |
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| Venemo | but why announce the availability of something now, if you've had it for >2 months? | 09:00 |
| Jope | so you are serious | 09:00 |
| Jope | it's some comms guy who thinks "out of beta" is synonymous with 1.0 | 09:00 |
| Jope | don't lose any sleep over it | 09:00 |
| Jope | at least not worth speculating or finding hidden meanings in it | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: you have to remember the audience, MWC is coming up, who has only heard of sailfish beta.. | 09:00 |
| Jope | too bad he chose those words | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, it's just a press release | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0 is 'stable' in people's minds.. | 09:01 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: isn't it stable? | 09:01 |
| Acce | So is the idea of releasing sailfish UI android app to show the UI? or to replace the android UI? | 09:01 |
| Jope | venemo, we were marketing it as beta | 09:02 |
| Jope | that doesn't imply instability.. | 09:02 |
| Venemo | Jope: ah, I understand | 09:03 |
| Jope | but yeah, don't worry about the 1.0 too much :-) | 09:03 |
| headhunter_ | Hi! Anyone has an idea how to register a URI scheme handler in Sailfish? | 09:03 |
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| headhunter_ | e.g. I want a browser to open links like ololo://link.com | 09:04 |
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| Sail0r | I hope for the bluetooth features in 1.0 :) | 09:05 |
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| kimmoli | Jope: email... | 09:09 |
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| Venemo | anyway, it's time for the february update, don't you think? | 09:09 |
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| Jope | kimmoli, in a meeting but will get back to you soon | 09:09 |
| kimmoli | ok | 09:10 |
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| Gordon` | Hi. Is there a simple way to restart a daemon (i.e. sshd)? | 09:58 |
| Gordon` | i tweaked sshd_config, but changes are not taken into account yet, and there is no /etc/init.d scripts | 09:58 |
| PeperJohnny | systemctl restart sshd.service in a root shell | 09:58 |
| Raim | simplest: reboot | 09:58 |
| Gordon` | thanks | 09:58 |
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| Gordon` | well, now my client SSH key is still not recognized | 10:02 |
| Sail0r | i just copied my ssh key to .ssh/authorized_keys | 10:03 |
| Sail0r | no need to restart or tweak sshd_config | 10:03 |
| Raim | I did the same, nothing special was required in the sshd_config | 10:03 |
| Gordon` | i uncommented the RSAAuthentication, PubKeyAuthentication and AuthorizedKeys lines, added my keys within /home/nemo/.ssh/authorized_keys, but sshd still asks me for a password | 10:04 |
| Sail0r | does the authorized_keys file have the right permissions | 10:04 |
| Sail0r | maybe it's world readable? | 10:04 |
| Gordon` | nope | 10:04 |
| Gordon` | 640 | 10:05 |
| Sail0r | 600 | 10:05 |
| Sail0r | that's what i have | 10:05 |
| Gordon` | still asking for my password | 10:05 |
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| special | you don't need any changes to sshd_config | 10:05 |
| Gordon` | yup, i removed my changes | 10:06 |
| special | just authorized_keys owned by the correct user and group, ideally 600, in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 10:06 |
| Sail0r | is the file owned by nemo | 10:06 |
| Sail0r | ? | 10:06 |
| Gordon` | yes | 10:06 |
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| Sail0r | what says journalctl -f ? | 10:06 |
| Gordon` | ho, I didn’t know this command :) | 10:07 |
| Gordon` | “Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/nemo/.ssh” | 10:07 |
| Gordon` | [root@localhost nemo]# ls -l /home/nemo/.ssh/ | 10:08 |
| Gordon` | total 4 | 10:08 |
| Gordon` | -rw------- 1 nemo nemo 1151 2014-02-21 10:53 authorized_keys | 10:08 |
| special | chmod go-w ~/.ssh | 10:08 |
| teve | chmod 700 /home/nemo/.ssh | 10:08 |
| special | or that | 10:08 |
| Gordon` | oh | 10:08 |
| Gordon` | still morning, not fully awaken yet… thanks :D | 10:09 |
| Sail0r | ;) | 10:09 |
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| Gordon` | another question: i bought a microSD card | 10:15 |
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| Anz_ | Gordon class? | 10:16 |
| Gordon` | no automatic recognition, no UI message. I formatted it to btrfs, tweaked /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh as adviced in together.jolla.com, but now, will my files (pictures, music…) stored on it be automatically registrered in the media gallery? | 10:17 |
| Gordon` | class 10 64GB | 10:17 |
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| Wnt | Gordon: at laest music is registered automatically on my similar setup | 10:18 |
| Wnt | haven't tried images | 10:18 |
| Gordon` | also, /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ is owned by root, is it normal? | 10:18 |
| Gordon` | is it a good idea to chown it to nemo? | 10:19 |
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| Wnt | remember to unmount the sd before removing it ;) | 10:19 |
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| Gordon` | can the nemo user do it? | 10:20 |
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| Gordon` | how is managed the media db update? I transferred ~1GB of music, but only 3 songs are seen by the app | 10:28 |
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| zmo | hi! | 10:57 |
| zmo | I was discussing with a friend | 10:57 |
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| zmo | and we went to the point where we wondered about how has been designed the communications between baseband and SoC in Jolla phone | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | the modem sits on the SoC practically | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | MSM8930, APQxxxx is the one where it's seperate | 10:58 |
| zmo | basically, has the baseband a dedicated channel with the SoC, or does it has DMA? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | on the nexus 4, the modem is factually connected over usb | 10:58 |
| zmo | i.e.: can the baseband take over every feature of the phone without the SoC knowing? | 10:59 |
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| tachikoma | really, that sound weird | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | tachikoma: when you bring up the modem on a n4, usb messages apepar | 10:59 |
| tachikoma | i mena the usb baseband thinggy | 10:59 |
| tachikoma | yeah, fascinating | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: you should probably be scared of any baseband and what it can do in your stead | 11:00 |
| tachikoma | indeed | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | as an example, a baseband can open tcp/ip connections of it's own | 11:00 |
| tachikoma | yeah, the old story of phones being used as bug even when turned of come to mind | 11:00 |
| zmo | Stskeeps - indeed, but if the baseband can't take over interfaces with the physical world or data within the memory or the SoC | 11:01 |
| tachikoma | my fix for that always was a small toy from some turkish phone accesories store in a trainstation. | 11:01 |
| zmo | the harm is limited | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: it can share memory with the soc, no problem | 11:01 |
| tachikoma | It blinks when the phone is transmitting. Should it ever blink when the device is turned of .... | 11:01 |
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| zmo | ok, so DMA :-s | 11:02 |
| zmo | (well, like any other phone around) | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: basically there's enough things to be scared of if you are truly paranoid | 11:02 |
| zmo | Stskeeps - I'm not really paranoid | 11:02 |
| zmo | I just like to be aware | 11:02 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: i heard interesting approaches to that issue on openmoko devices - in the direction that one can control power levels for the baseband and turn it off for real that way | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | tachikoma: sure, but do you trust your power management IC? :> | 11:03 |
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| Nicd- | it's turtles all the way down | 11:03 |
| tachikoma | me? i only trust jolla *big grin* | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | personally i'd like a SDR based device | 11:03 |
| tachikoma | na, in fact i have two calypso baseband phones i play with running osmocombb | 11:04 |
| tachikoma | scary that is indeed | 11:04 |
| zmo | tachikoma - ahah, I'm thinking on getting one as well :-) | 11:04 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: you mean a sdr device to do gsm with? | 11:04 |
| zmo | but having a "useable" phone I can code on was priority | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | or just idle band communication | 11:05 |
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| tachikoma | zmo: after that 'let me answer that for you' talk on some ccc or blackhat conference the prices for these phones suddenly nearly doubled on amazon | 11:05 |
| tachikoma | from 20 to 40 euro or so ;) | 11:05 |
| zmo | tachikoma - I know :-) | 11:05 |
| tachikoma | hehe | 11:05 |
| Acce | idea: metal case TOH to prevent all spying of your Jolla by grounding your antennas. | 11:06 |
| tachikoma | i wonder when this will be declared illegal ouside research projects | 11:06 |
| ShadowJK | just attachrd black cover... i think these ambiences thingy are a bit weird | 11:06 |
| zmo | tachikoma - I've been at one of the first talks by Karsten on the topic | 11:06 |
| MMx | Stskeeps: in unrelated news: it would be great if Jolla would offer a discount if you buy multiple OtherHalfs, or even a pack with all available colors for less than the sum of the individual prices. | 11:06 |
| zmo | I don't remember exactly whether it was HAR, the cccongress or the cccamp | 11:06 |
| ShadowJK | i have to favourite atleast two ambiences in gallery in orser t9 be abke to switch? | 11:06 |
| tachikoma | zmo: since i have kids i only watched the stuff recorded lately | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | MMx: together.* | 11:07 |
| MMx | Stskeeps: you know whether this is requested on together yet? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | MMx: i don't remember | 11:07 |
| MMx | or should I add it? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | can't hurt to | 11:07 |
| zmo | MMx - hint: there's a search box :-) | 11:07 |
| MMx | I ran a search, but didn't find anything | 11:07 |
| zmo | then ask :-) | 11:07 |
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| zmo | damn, already noon and I did not take my breakfast | 11:08 |
| MMx | but search has been unreliably for me in the past already | 11:08 |
| ShadowJK | or is there supposed to be way to switch ambience from gallery? | 11:08 |
| Acce | MMx: try different words / wording | 11:08 |
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| special | ShadowJK: gallery, ambiences, tap one, pull down? | 11:09 |
| Acce | not just exactly what you had in mind, but what others could have asked | 11:09 |
| zmo | or reask, at worst it'll be marked as duplicate | 11:09 |
| ShadowJK | special: oh, didnt notice | 11:09 |
| zmo | with a full question, you may get suggestions of related posts that are closer | 11:09 |
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| CvP | hi :) | 11:37 |
| * Morpog_Jolla wonders about inception on his Jolla by installing Android SailfishOS launcher into AlienDalvik :) | 11:38 | |
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| hzb | :) | 11:40 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.thejollablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/SavedPicture-2014221185159.jpg | 11:43 |
| Sail0r | is this the real cover? | 11:43 |
| Sail0r | I love it :x | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | nicccce | 11:44 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | could be a render | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | still nice | 11:47 |
| Morpog_Jolla | sure | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | they're in the same building anyway, right? | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | jolla could disable their toilets and offer them jolla's toilets on the condition that they make that :P | 11:48 |
| special | not the same building | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | aww | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | what a shame | 11:48 |
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| special | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/436810350986420225 is the source fwiw | 11:49 |
| Raim | ggabriel: they are actually making that, did you miss the press release? :-) | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | that's quite cool | 11:50 |
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| ggabriel | Raim: i wish i had more time to follow jolla etc | 11:50 |
| Sail0r | But it does not seem that a keyboard is coming :-/ | 11:51 |
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| ggabriel | maybe this device has too many challenges for that | 11:51 |
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| Sail0r | hm? | 11:52 |
| Raim | ggabriel: yeah, I know. just wanted to point you at it. | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: you know, camera position and all that | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | or maybe it's just lack of capacity | 11:52 |
| Sail0r | Loosing camera would net be the problem for many who want a keyboard i think | 11:53 |
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| ggabriel | Sail0r: and i'd agree | 11:53 |
| Sail0r | or only camera when keyboard is swiped out | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | but my opinion often doesn't match everybody's | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | or most people's | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | it's most likely capacity, thinking about it | 11:53 |
| PeperJohnny | I don't think that it's too hard to drill a hole in such a cover:X | 11:53 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | Sail0r: I guess an official qwerty toh has to wait till the os got more landscape support | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | true that | 11:54 |
| Sail0r | But it's out of beta now. Maybe landscape already got more landscape. | 11:54 |
| Sail0r | *os | 11:54 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | uh? | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | out of beta? | 11:54 |
| Morpog_Jolla | yep | 11:55 |
| Sail0r | read the press release | 11:55 |
| PeperJohnny | Well with the next update | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | sorry, i'll read then | 11:55 |
| Sail0r | PeperJohnny: yes | 11:55 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | I think thpse performance improvements hint to Qt 5.2.x in next update | 11:55 |
| Sail0r | I still hope for a keyboard toh that's one reason why i bought a jolla | 11:55 |
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| AL13N_work | Sail0r: didn't someone make 100 TOH keyboards? | 11:56 |
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| PeperJohnny | I got used to the vkbd. i'm not that fast anymore like with the n900, but it's ok | 11:56 |
| Sail0r | yeah but i don't really like that design | 11:56 |
| AL13N_work | ...ic | 11:56 |
| Sail0r | they are very cool but i think it's too many waste of space | 11:56 |
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| AL13N_work | well, if i would ever get one, i'd not get qwerty | 11:57 |
| AL13N_work | so, if someone made it, it should have reconfigurable keys | 11:57 |
| AL13N_work | that would be a lot cooler | 11:58 |
| PeperJohnny | you're one of these dvoraks? :D | 11:58 |
| PeperJohnny | or what it was called oO | 11:58 |
| Pnuu | or azerty? | 11:58 |
| Pnuu | or qwertz? | 11:58 |
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| ggabriel | e-ink keys :P | 11:59 |
| Venemo | nah, on the N9(50) I got so good with the VKB that I'm now quite fast with it | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | maybe the new video of the keyboard toh on tmo is so good that i need to get one | 12:00 |
| sharefree | does any1 know where can I buy jolla mobile in China ? | 12:02 |
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| AL13N_work | Venemo: too bad your upgrade of IRC app removed my channels :-) | 12:04 |
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| katy18 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 12:04 |
| Venemo | [12:43] <Venemo> AL13N: can you please detail your experience here? https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/issues/79 | 12:04 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: ^^^ | 12:04 |
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| sharefree | AL13N_work, can I buy jolla mobile from ebay ? | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | heh, i stopped keeping track of that | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | when the website got opened | 12:06 |
| sharefree | AL13N_work, ok | 12:06 |
| Venemo | sharefree: see http://jolla.com | 12:06 |
| Venemo | sharefree: there is a section "Live outside the EU?" | 12:07 |
| sharefree | Venemo, they do not ship to South Asian Countries | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: where is this section? | 12:08 |
| Venemo | sharefree: so, there's your answer | 12:08 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: use Ctrl+F | 12:08 |
| AL13N_work | oh there | 12:11 |
| AL13N_work | figured at first you meant the FAQ | 12:11 |
| sharefree | AL13N_work, says leave your details we would inform you someday if possible | 12:11 |
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| AL13N_work | yes, i've done this before | 12:12 |
| AL13N_work | i recall that | 12:12 |
| sharefree | but they would not do anything about it | 12:13 |
| sharefree | AL13N_work, did you see Revolution by Geeksphone ? | 12:13 |
| Venemo | they will inform you when it's available in your country | 12:13 |
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| sharefree | Venemo, how would they know about my country ? | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | they have an agreement with facebook, which bought whatsapp, which has your number :P | 12:16 |
| pahartik | Venemo: "communi-sailfish" forgot all about defined networks except one, probably due to getting killed (and they had not been saved to file) or due to upgrade | 12:17 |
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| sharefree | ggabriel, wtf ? | 12:18 |
| * ggabriel being ironic ;) | 12:18 | |
| ggabriel | sharefree: i guess they'll update you as they roll out to other countries and you have to keep an eye on it | 12:19 |
| pahartik | Venemo: Suggestion: Settings should be saved each time network is added or modified | 12:19 |
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| sharefree | ggabriel, Did you test tizen yet ? | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | nah | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | i don't buy samsung | 12:20 |
| tachikoma | i has such a bad name ... | 12:20 |
| tachikoma | titzen | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | lol | 12:20 |
| Waitee | hmm? | 12:20 |
| Waitee | whats bad with samsungs name? | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | tizen is only being implemented by samsung | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | have i tried tizen? no, i don't buy samsung | 12:21 |
| sharefree | tachikoma, its by Linux Foundation, so it would succeed probably | 12:21 |
| tachikoma | tizen just sounds weird to me | 12:21 |
| tachikoma | sharefree: that would be nice, all that bugs me is the name ;) | 12:21 |
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| ggabriel | the few youtube videos i saw looked like a really cheap copy of ios | 12:21 |
| Waitee | i dont think so | 12:22 |
| tachikoma | i doubt it would be any more free than android, but i like surprises | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | my opinion anyway | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | like i said, i won't buy a samsung, so i don't think i'll ever try it unless somebody else implements it on a mobile device | 12:22 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: having jolla xmpp support up to speed (otr carbon etc) with a jabber server by jolla (with jolla account) could have made an impact... | 12:22 |
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| Waitee | i havent bought any samsung devices but as i've seen them the only resemblance to ios or iphones is the button in the middle bottom | 12:23 |
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| Waitee | i know they used very similiar marketing a couple years back and they paid for it | 12:23 |
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| Waitee | i dont hate any manufacturer nor do i say one variation is "the best" | 12:24 |
| Waitee | there's similiar people like the so called "macfags" in linux communities too | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | i don't hate anybody, just had bad experience with samsung, so why give them my money? | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | and i'm vocal | 12:25 |
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| Waitee | didnt say you have to spend your money on samsung | 12:25 |
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| sharefree | I want a phone with full gnu/linux | 12:25 |
| Waitee | i dont | 12:25 |
| sharefree | Sailfish OS / Tizen are better than Android | 12:25 |
| chem|st | Waitee: I bought a tab2 7" cause it does not have buttons | 12:26 |
| Waitee | sharefree: not in all cases | 12:26 |
| Venemo | pahartik: thanks for reporting | 12:26 |
| chem|st | and am waiting for sailfishOS ever since, but was told that omap CPU is at the end of the line | 12:26 |
| Waitee | i still think you get way more for your money if you buy a nexus 4 instead of jolla | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | the jolla has better reception than the nexus 4 | 12:27 |
| sharefree | Waitee, true | 12:27 |
| chem|st | Waitee: yes and how do you pay that extra? As soon as you get something for free/cheap, you become the product | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | so, if you want bad reception for less money, yeah | 12:27 |
| sharefree | Waitee, which android quad-core phone do you recommend in budget ? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | Waitee: fwiw i see sailfishos on both and i don't know, it feels more natural on the jolla device | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | (and that's my personal opinion, not my professional) | 12:27 |
| Waitee | sharefree: no idea, i've got jolla and i love it | 12:27 |
| sharefree | Waitee, I cannot have jolla :[ | 12:28 |
| sharefree | i wish they sold it here | 12:28 |
| sharefree | I want it too | 12:28 |
| Waitee | but as i've tried my friends phones nexus 4 and 5 are great | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | sharefree: move to EU :D | 12:28 |
| Waitee | so is the huawei p6 | 12:28 |
| sharefree | its cute and nice | 12:28 |
| leinir | i really like my jolla... there's a few issues with it, but i know the niggles i've got are being worked on, so... yeah, i'm very happy with it :) | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | nexus 5 also less reception than jolla (but a bit better than 4) | 12:28 |
| chem|st | sharefree: 80eur china-import, seen some very quality phones and all are faster and more stable than any sammy I have seen | 12:28 |
| sharefree | Waitee, huawei g700 ? howz is that ? | 12:28 |
| Waitee | send a link to it | 12:28 |
| leinir | i suspect, however, that come summer i shall be disappointed with its sunlight performance, but nothing's going to trump the lcd in the n950 for that anyway ;) | 12:28 |
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| sharefree | http://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/features/g700-en.htm Waitee | 12:29 |
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| chem|st | any timelines on the "soon"(TM)? | 12:30 |
| chem|st | why are there no hotfixes for that connection mess? | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | :D | 12:30 |
| Waitee | im okay with the flaws on jolla since i knew im getting a beta phone | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: wife keeps asking me the same thing | 12:30 |
| tachikoma | lol | 12:30 |
| tachikoma | is there some way to stop it going insane without shuting it down and rebooting? | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: but you can respond "when you do <something that she doesn't want to do>" | 12:31 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: it is strange to upgrade with a mess like this and not hotfixing it 3 weeks later already | 12:31 |
| Waitee | i wouldnt be okay if i bought a top end android device and found the same flaws :P | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: hearing you loud and clear.. | 12:31 |
| * Stskeeps is just me | 12:31 | |
| Waitee | sharefree: looks okay, read a couple of reviews and if possible go and try your hands on it at a local electronics store or something | 12:32 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: is the showstopper policy there or some relevant cause? | 12:32 |
| sharefree | Waitee, I live in a village so no trying out .. that is y I rely on what others say | 12:32 |
| sharefree | :] | 12:32 |
| AL13N_work | i thought tizen was dead? | 12:32 |
| Waitee | huaweis android launcher ui is very similiar to ios | 12:32 |
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| sharefree | AL13N_work, it would not die .. | 12:33 |
| sharefree | But Ubuntu touch might kill it all | 12:33 |
| Waitee | it actually feels like ios :D | 12:33 |
| Waitee | but you can install a new launcher for it if you want so it's not a problem | 12:33 |
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| sharefree | Waitee, which one ? | 12:34 |
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| Waitee | at least the P6 | 12:34 |
| sharefree | Ya Huawei is making it like iOS | 12:34 |
| sharefree | heh | 12:34 |
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| sharefree | Waitee, is huawei trust worthy ? | 12:34 |
| Waitee | http://consumer.huawei.com/en/mobile-phones/features/p6-u06-en.htm | 12:34 |
| chem|st | sharefree: from todays announcement you may install a sailfish launcher "soon"(TM) | 12:34 |
| sharefree | I love the data cards by huawei | 12:34 |
| Waitee | my father has that one | 12:34 |
| tachikoma | as trustworthy as any of them ... | 12:34 |
| leinir | well, none of the various governments over here think so, so i would guess at yes ;) | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | my sis-in-law will be getting rid of the huawei | 12:35 |
| TMavica | Good to see Hong Kong is first release city!!! | 12:35 |
| Waitee | sharefree: same as all the manufacturers | 12:35 |
| sharefree | Waitee, how is the performance and his response about it ? | 12:35 |
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| sharefree | chem|st, on what ? | 12:35 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: do not go online is one way to not have it reboot | 12:35 |
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| chem|st | sharefree: android | 12:35 |
| sharefree | Waitee, ok so a no go for samsung ? | 12:35 |
| tachikoma | chem|st: you mean - never go online or go offline in case the loopinhg connection problem occurs? | 12:36 |
| chem|st | talking about launcher is android or is some other OS calling its UI launcher that way? | 12:36 |
| tachikoma | i likie my ainol tablet | 12:36 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: never go online | 12:36 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: as soon as you have a buggy connection it is gone | 12:36 |
| tachikoma | ainol must be the most chaotic, most clueless company i ever bought a really good product from. | 12:36 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: I go online either when I know I have stable wlan or kinda emergency | 12:36 |
| Waitee | sharefree: all manufacturers have poor and great devices | 12:36 |
| Waitee | the poor devices implement most of the same features as the top end but with lower grade hardware | 12:37 |
| sharefree | Waitee, I think huawei is good enough, but i like Lenovo P780 too | 12:37 |
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| sharefree | it has 4000 mAH of juice | 12:37 |
| Waitee | which is why you shouldnt buy a cheap android devicce | 12:37 |
| tachikoma | ainol fire 7 something - they had bugs, got firmware update from the oem manufacturer - did not get that released as a android update because they were clueless. What dod they do? They release to oem flashing tool to flash devices in large scale to their customers ... | 12:38 |
| Waitee | -c* | 12:38 |
| tachikoma | now i can directly write the whole nand of that device :) | 12:38 |
| Waitee | :D | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: i think it really comes down to manpower, a connectivity related hotfix really affects everything in a stack | 12:38 |
| tachikoma | well - i can actually write the nand of 16 devices at the same time :) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: similarly if we had to change opengl es2 driver | 12:38 |
| Waitee | but yea if you pay more than 350e for an android device from a large manufacturer you'll get what you want | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, "Furthermore - and I did not see this one coming - they will release a Sailfish launcher for Android that brings some of the operating system's unique features to Android." | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | why would we do that? wild speculations welcome | 12:39 |
| Waitee | why not? | 12:39 |
| sharefree | Waitee, I cannot find a good device yet\ | 12:39 |
| sharefree | Dual SIM is killing the market for Single SIM lovers | 12:39 |
| tachikoma | http://bbs.ainol.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=21835 | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | coz ppl will like it and it will suck on android due to no multitasking and so on? | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | so they'll get a jolla? | 12:40 |
| tachikoma | best comment on ainol bbs ever :) | 12:40 |
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| Waitee | Stskeeps: it's pretty easy to implement and mostly people dont think it's worth the risk installing a new operating system on a phone | 12:40 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'd like to see the technical implementation of this 'launcher' before I comment. tnx ;) | 12:40 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: you do that to show people what it be like with the real system? | 12:41 |
| Waitee | once people first try the sailfish launcher on android they get used to the operating system | 12:41 |
| leinir | gateway drugs ;) | 12:41 |
| Waitee | and will less likely feel lost if they swap to jolla | 12:41 |
| sharefree | Jolla phone is too costly | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | cost me less than the n9 back then.... | 12:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Besides easier to not lose all their stuff | 12:42 |
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| Waitee | PeperJohnny: that aslo | 12:43 |
| Waitee | also* | 12:43 |
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| tachikoma | i think people don;t give a f. about what os they run as long as they can do what they intend to do or are used to do with the device | 12:43 |
| chem|st | I had another evening of "§%!awfW with my galaxy tab2 - give me sailfishOS take my money! | 12:44 |
| tachikoma | so i can;t believe that when they would like the jolla launcher that they would buy a sailfish os. | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | but the launcher is not everything though | 12:44 |
| PeperJohnny | tachikoma: somehow jolla has to try to get a larger marketshare | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | i still can't believe that android/ios don't have a centralised messaging solution | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | and "facebook messages are easier to see than google messages" | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | or "whatsapp messages are easier to access than sms" | 12:45 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: thats something that annoys the hell out of me if i have to switch between 3-4 apps to see all messages :< | 12:45 |
| tachikoma | if the jolla ui works for them they will just use it on android. | 12:45 |
| tachikoma | if it does not work for them, they will just stop using it | 12:46 |
| PeperJohnny | tachikoma: at first, but if the device breaks or a new one is needed, maybe then they will switch | 12:46 |
| ggabriel | so, basically ios/android is a platform where apps compete with one another | 12:46 |
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| Waitee | tachikoma: most nerds that like it will install sailfish | 12:46 |
| tachikoma | PeperJohnny: but then i still believ the design of the device, battery runtime, other hardware factors will dominate theri decission | 12:46 |
| tachikoma | Waitee: i'm not talking about nerss but the majority of users | 12:47 |
| Waitee | i also believe jolla will make a gui installer for sailfish | 12:47 |
| tachikoma | nerds you don;t need a ui for to lure them over | 12:47 |
| Waitee | tachikoma: jolla is a nerd hacker phone inside out | 12:47 |
| tachikoma | nerds need a github access to some source to change | 12:47 |
| PeperJohnny | tachikoma: as far as i'm concerned a lot of people look only at the design or if it is an apple | 12:47 |
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| tachikoma | Waitee: yes, i know. I am a nerd hacker | 12:47 |
| Waitee | lesser nerds need the installer | 12:47 |
| Pnuu | tachikoma: you hack nerds?-) | 12:48 |
| PeperJohnny | and maybe they don't aim at europe but at china where everyones supposed to flash his device as they please | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | I think more 'average' users will buy jolla because of this angry bird thingy than the interfaace | 12:48 |
| Pnuu | (I'll get mi coat) | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | Pnuu: all the time ;) | 12:48 |
| roboro | I think that when TOH moves on from just updating ambiences... it will be a big draw-card for users | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | Pnuu: yess, the fast show - i love it | 12:48 |
| Waitee | PeperJohnny: i've heard it's more common in china to flash your device | 12:49 |
| Pnuu | amongst the best :-) | 12:49 |
| Waitee | than in europe or america | 12:49 |
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| PeperJohnny | I think that we will gain some clarity about the purpose of this move^^ | 12:49 |
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| tachikoma | Pnuu: can watch that show over and over again | 12:51 |
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| Pnuu | this week I've mostly been watching olympics | 12:52 |
| * kimmoli is not going, but my OLED OtherHalf is going to MWC2014 !!! | 12:52 | |
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| tachikoma | phew, i guess i realized that there is olympics, but thats about it | 12:53 |
| Waitee | kimmoli: congraz! | 12:53 |
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| roboro | kimmoli: awesome | 12:53 |
| Waitee | meanwhile in sweden | 12:53 |
| Waitee | ulle ulle | 12:53 |
| Waitee | ulle | 12:53 |
| Waitee | titta | 12:53 |
| tachikoma | tizen? | 12:54 |
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| Waitee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg | 12:54 |
| Waitee | there's sweden vs finland playing hockey in the olympics | 12:56 |
| tachikoma | oh, i just watch a tizen video and realize in english it sound much cooler than in german | 12:56 |
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| Waitee | YEAAAAH | 13:05 |
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| ggabriel | i saw some finnish supporters for the olympics in austria last week actually | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | cool ppl | 13:06 |
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| louisdk | Shouldn't the ringtones and theme change with a put on an another cover? I switched from the white yesterday to the first-one red. | 13:34 |
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| ggabriel | i think that's the idea | 13:35 |
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| reviewjolla | louisdk only if the ambience is favourite | 13:35 |
| reviewjolla | or in the first time | 13:35 |
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| ggabriel | good point | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | louisdk: it only switches when it was never put on before or it is marked as favourite | 13:44 |
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| chem|st | louisdk: it does not switche when it was the last cover on before, so you can acces sdcard and sim without any impact on the ambience | 13:45 |
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| zmo | I get something weird | 13:56 |
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| Yaniel | hmm= | 13:56 |
| zmo | when I connect to together.jolla.com | 13:56 |
| zmo | I'm often getting an invalid certificate check | 13:56 |
| zmo | "together.jolla.com uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for sky.update.com" | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | uhh | 13:56 |
| zmo | which definitely looks suspicious | 13:56 |
| louisdk | reviewjolla,chem|st: Ah okay. Now I just need to find out what the ambiance for the first-one other half is called. | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | well as long as the login page is what it should be | 13:57 |
| svuorela | snow white | 13:57 |
| PeperJohnny | louisdk: the first one :D | 13:57 |
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| AMD | who's looking forward to Jolla's TOH? | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | which one? | 14:00 |
| AMD | Angry birds- Younited- Makia | 14:00 |
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| roboro | zmo: using a proxy by any chance? | 14:00 |
| AMD | i so want the angry birds one for my bday :v | 14:00 |
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| Isabella22 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 14:04 |
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| louisdk | This is the types of ambiances I've available: http://imgur.com/LByewPw - Nobody is called "The first one" And yes my Jolla is wearing the red other half properly. | 14:05 |
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| svuorela | louisdk: my boss' phone is with red/orange stripes | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't look like you've ever downloaded any ambience | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: can you access the store alright? | 14:06 |
| Yaniel | louisdk: it should prompt you to install the The First One ambience if you attach the other half while the phone is unlocked | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | jolla store* | 14:07 |
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| CvP | test | 14:17 |
| Sidde | Jaaaa! | 14:17 |
| mikma | you sank my battleship | 14:17 |
| zmo | roboro - nope | 14:17 |
| zmo | and my ISP is a clean (almost) neutral one | 14:18 |
| zmo | though they do block some ad servers per default, and refuse to pay for bandwith towards youtub | 14:18 |
| zmo | e | 14:18 |
| louisdk | Yaniel: Ooh now it make sense. When I boot the phone it complains about not having ccess to the store. If I search for "Ambience" or " "The first one" in the store nothing comes up. Maybe it helps to reboot it. | 14:19 |
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| roboro | something isn't right on your system then... if I access tjc the cert is issued to *.jolla.com and is signed by DigiCert | 14:19 |
| roboro | MITM? | 14:19 |
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| zmo | well, that's what I'm wondering | 14:20 |
| zmo | or there is malicious JS is some parts of the site | 14:20 |
| zmo | maybe XSS | 14:20 |
| mikma | louisdk: do you have tohd.service disabled or the nfc tag ripped out? :P | 14:20 |
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| roboro | zmo... I haven't run into anything like this... I would guess that its unlikely to be something on the site itself | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: :) make sure your user works and so on | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | louisdk: iirc the trick was to have the phone running and not let the screen get locked when attaching the ambience | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | err, TOH | 14:21 |
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| louisdk | mikma: No I have not done any modifications of that kind. I've tried to reattach it and it says "There is a problem with Store. Other half already in use". | 14:28 |
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| ggabriel | louisdk: did you buy the phone 2nd hand? | 14:29 |
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| ggabriel | that message means that the other half belongs to somebody else | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | or rather, it's linked to another jolla account | 14:30 |
| TMavica | louisdk your other half is second hand, right? | 14:30 |
| zmo | damn, I just got a windows 8 "thing" for my work, and they actually stole the ambiance idea from Jolla | 14:31 |
| zmo | like you can change the whole color theme by choosing a dominant color | 14:31 |
| kehnoo | umm, wasn't that in WP7.5 already | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | didn't windows 3.11 do that.. | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | 3.11 for workgroups def did that :P | 14:32 |
| bencoh | :] | 14:32 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: no, windows 3.11 was even better with that, you could customize every single bit of color :p | 14:32 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: I thought that was already in windows 2.x | 14:32 |
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| reviewjolla | I remember one great green on black ambience from the DOS time ;) | 14:33 |
| ballock | I think I saw that even earlier. You attached TOH to an Atari with a monitor of a different color | 14:33 |
| ballock | you could have green or orange | 14:33 |
| ballock | but some were actually grey and whitish | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ballock: cartidges are just prehistoric TOHs.. | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:34 |
| louisdk | ggabriel, TMavica: Yes. Everything was as good as new. No marks and he said the haven't used the other half-cover before but that could be wrong. Does this mean that I can't use it proberly. Is all othetr half linked to accounts? | 14:35 |
| roboro | back in the day you could select the colour punchcard you wanted to stick into your puter... and voila... the output was all in that colour | 14:35 |
| TMavica | louisdk, you cant download toh ambience if your other half first time used by others | 14:36 |
| TMavica | that other half is connect that people jolla account | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: sounds like TOH's have been used indeed | 14:36 |
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| ballock | ok, I need to back off Atari, that one seem to have a more colours. I had the green 'OH' monitor like this one on my Meritum: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plik:Meritum_II_komplet.jpg | 14:37 |
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| louisdk | ggabriel, TMavica: If the previous user delete his Jolla account would it helps? | 14:37 |
| zmo | no, in win 3.11 (which was almost the last one I used) | 14:37 |
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| ggabriel | single sided diskette lol | 14:37 |
| zmo | you could configure every part of the UI separately | 14:38 |
| ballock | as you can see, its' not just the letters that are green, the background is also of greenish 'ambience' | 14:38 |
| TMavica | louisdk, i dont know. but you can install the ambience rpm | 14:38 |
| zmo | but there you choose one color and others | 14:38 |
| zmo | color change as well | 14:38 |
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| reviewjolla | wlan problem, haven't happened too often here | 14:39 |
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| louisdk | TMavica: Well I had to root my Jolla at some point. However I think it's a bit Apple-style to lock other half features to specific accounts. Someone might to sell their tohs and as they sell the psyical thing this has nothing to do with piracy. | 14:49 |
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| ggabriel | louisdk: i think that toh's owners should be able to "let go" | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | but that's not possible just yet | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | or they can sell you the jolla with their account | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | you should certainly complain and get money back as toh's were used indeed | 14:51 |
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| TMavica | louisdk, just install the rpm then you can have the ambience | 14:52 |
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| louisdk | TMavica: I need dev mode for that right? | 14:55 |
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| TMavica | use some file browser install it, by the way, here is the rpm of snow white and first half ambience: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1407067&postcount=31 | 14:56 |
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| louisdk | TMavica: Thanks :) | 15:01 |
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| louisdk | I have a hard time of getting use to always Swipe. If I want to go back in an upp I often just tap in the upper left corner instead. | 15:11 |
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| ggabriel | upper left corner? | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | oh, yeah | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | you can do that too :P | 15:12 |
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| Venemo_j | louisdk: it all depends on your personal taste, I'd say | 15:15 |
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| ggabriel | ...or how long your fingers are ;-) | 15:15 |
| Venemo_j | for me, upper left corner is too hard to reach with my finger | 15:15 |
| louisdk | Venemo_j: I think you're right, but I'm left handed ;) | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | so you hold the phone with your right hand? :) | 15:18 |
| louisdk | Does the toh's come with special ringtones too. I've installed the ambiance and favorited an ambience but the ringtone is the same. | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | the red one is meant to | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | but i wouldn't know as i have the standard white one | 15:20 |
| Sidde | http://mobil.blocket.se/lulea/Landyta_i_Skandinavien_52242048.htm?ca=1_9&w=0 | 15:20 |
| louisdk | ggabriel: I hold it with my left hand and interact using my left hand too :) | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | is helsin seaside/bay/or related? | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: yup, i'm right handed and do the same thing | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | quite easy with both hands really | 15:21 |
| Venemo_j | louisdk: me too! | 15:22 |
| louisdk | TMavica: Does the rpm's you linked to only contains the theme or does it also contain the ringtones for the-first-one toh? | 15:26 |
| TMavica | have ringtone | 15:26 |
| TMavica | snow white didnt, but the first one have | 15:27 |
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| Venemo_j | yes | 15:29 |
| louisdk | TMavica: Hmm. My ringstone is still the default Jolla. I have marked the first one toh as favorit. | 15:29 |
| Venemo_j | although the first one (and snow white) ambiences both look mind-boggingly unpleasant | 15:30 |
| TMavica | louisdk shouldnt be...try phone it by other phone and see | 15:34 |
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| TMavica | reboot | 15:38 |
| ballock | error: can't reboot the IRC channel | 15:38 |
| louisdk | TMavica: I don't use a SIM card yet. Waiting for my protecting before making it my main phone. Under Sound the ringtone is set to jolla-ringtone and when I click on it to hear it it plays the Jolla ringtone, but I would wait to look at it until I put a SIM card in it. | 15:38 |
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| TMavica | yes, in setting page it wont change | 15:44 |
| TMavica | but if you enabled, all sound is different | 15:45 |
| TMavica | the setting page is not correct | 15:45 |
| TMavica | just enabled it and test it by phoning or messaging | 15:45 |
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| louisdk | TMavica: It's pretty hard right now, but I'll do when I put a sim card in it :) | 15:48 |
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| TMavica | lol. | 15:50 |
| TMavica | u just got white and first toh? | 15:50 |
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| louisdk | TMavica: I brought the phone 2nd handed this week. In mint condition for 175 euros. | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | somebody really hated it :P | 15:53 |
| Andy80 | wth.... | 15:53 |
| Andy80 | is it possible that is so difficoult to use the Jolla shop? | 15:53 |
| Andy80 | it keeps asking me to create a new address because I miss the phone number... I've done it and it says again it's not ok | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | never hapened to me | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | but i had an already created account | 15:54 |
| Andy80 | I also have already an acocunt | 15:55 |
| Andy80 | and it's already non sense that I cannot modify it and I have to create a new address containing the telephone number... anyway.... I create a new Address as they say and it keeps saying "Please enter the phone number. Choose 'New Address' from the dropdown menu below Name & Address to add your phone number." | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | Andy80: is this the website? | 15:57 |
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| Andy80 | yes | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | chrome? | 16:01 |
| Andy80 | I made at the end... it was missing also in the other Address, the billing one | 16:01 |
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| Mae21 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 16:04 |
| louisdk | You find some weird stuff while browsing the file tree. In root there's a dir called drm. | 16:04 |
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| Venemo_j | louisdk: it was already explained by Stskeeps at TMO | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's from the soc adaptation and we don't use it | 16:07 |
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| louisdk | Stskeeps: Ahh okay. I'm trying to find the location where the ringtones are stored. | 16:09 |
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| famous34627 | Please like this video, regarding humanitarian purposes for little girl who need new heart... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2t0HX3hNys | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | you've got to be.. | 16:28 |
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| Yaniel | okay so I got a 64GB microsd, formatted as btrfs and mounted it by hand | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | since automount failed | 16:39 |
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| Yaniel | mount-sd-onboot.service that is | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | shows up fine in cargodock but nothing to see in gallery nor mediaplayer | 16:40 |
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| Yaniel | I have tried tracker-control -r and -e | 16:41 |
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| Yaniel | and rebooting | 16:41 |
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| Yaniel | an ideas? | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | second yaniel | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | killall tracker-store killall tracker-miner-fs tracker-control -s | 16:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | that helps here | 16:42 |
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| Yaniel | let's see... | 16:43 |
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| Yaniel | yay, stuff shows up | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | \o/ | 16:44 |
| Yaniel | cover art works on a couple of new albums too | 16:44 |
| Morpog_PC | can take a bit if it's much content | 16:44 |
| Yaniel | (flac) | 16:44 |
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| Yaniel | not much yet | 16:44 |
| Yaniel | I guess tracker-extract is the interesting process? | 16:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | yaniel, there must be a limitation with some cover art | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | not everything from me gets detected which got detected fine on n9 | 16:46 |
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| Yaniel | yeah most doesn't show up here | 16:48 |
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| Yaniel | all tracks do, but covers not | 16:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | there are several bugs about that on TOJ | 16:50 |
| Morpog_PC | err TJC | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | does not even seem to correlate with cover.jpg vs embedded covers | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 16:50 |
| Morpog_PC | I only use embeded covers | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | I have commented on at least one myself | 16:50 |
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| tbr | uuuh, jolla scored a /. frontpage discussion | 17:41 |
| Pnuu | "It's already running on phones sold in India and Russia" | 17:42 |
| tbr | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/02/21/1515214/jolla-announces-sailfish-os-10 | 17:42 |
| tbr | I liked the reply to that one | 17:42 |
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| Tofe | Should I understand, from the announce, that we may get a firmware image for the Jolla too ? | 18:03 |
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| Naomi24 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 18:03 |
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| Tofe | You manage to sell worldwide a new device and a new OS in less than 2 years, but you can't kickban this annoying porn stuff ? ;) | 18:04 |
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| Eztran | Well, different IPs, different nicks. | 18:06 |
| Tofe | but same message every time, same shorturl | 18:06 |
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| Venemo_j | Tofe: it's not sold worldwide yet | 18:09 |
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| Tofe | Venemo_j: oh, I thought people in US could buy it too ? | 18:11 |
| flotron | porn is good for your health | 18:12 |
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| Acce | Tofe: well, if they buy it through someone in europe, or that service in UK | 18:12 |
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| Tofe | Ah, ok, so only europe-wide right now | 18:13 |
| Acce | but it's not very clever, since the hw doesn't support 3G and LTE bands in US apparently | 18:13 |
| clau | Stskeeps, I just noticed that if you keep moving the phone while in lock screen, it won't lock in 5 seconds. | 18:13 |
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| clau | is this by design or some very weird bug? | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | huh? | 18:14 |
| Acce | and when they say global, they mean they expand to east, not west.. but guys over at US might be able to flash their android hw which has the bands | 18:14 |
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| clau | so, normally if you double tap to unlock you get to lock screen. there, you wait 5 seconds and it goes back to sleep. | 18:14 |
| clau | however, if you shake the phone, it won't go to sleep. | 18:14 |
| Venemo_j | Tofe: US frequencies are unsupported... | 18:15 |
| kimmoli | clau: Confirmed, i have seen this too. | 18:16 |
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| Tofe | clau: well, if you shake it, the seconds will get a bit confused, can't blame them | 18:17 |
| clau | :D | 18:17 |
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| clau | I'll check TJC, and post it there if I can't find anything | 18:18 |
| clau | it does seem to be a general issue, not just in lock screen. | 18:25 |
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| clau | https://together.jolla.com/question/29590/bug-phone-does-not-go-to-sleep-while-there-is-physical-movement/ | 18:34 |
| clau | just moving it up and down doesn't seem to keep it awake | 18:35 |
| clau | also, I was pretty careful not to touch the screen with the fingers. | 18:35 |
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| kimmoli | I was wondering also why my siika game statys awake even i haven't done anything to keep it awake. (so please dont fix this one, its a feature not a bug :) ) | 18:57 |
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| clau | not sure if it was meant to be like this though | 19:03 |
| clau | it appears that only some specific movements will keep it awake. | 19:03 |
| clau | also, having this in the lock screen doesn't seem like a feature, tbh. it would be nice to have it as an option for home screen and app-screens though. | 19:04 |
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| kimmoli | i think it is for the os to detect you are actually using the phone. | 19:22 |
| kimmoli | i got it permanently on now | 19:22 |
| kimmoli | did go to app menu, then wait until it gets to "dimmed", then shake the phone. it will go back "on" (birght) and stays there much longer than 30sec. | 19:24 |
| kimmoli | (app menu, the page with lots of those icons) | 19:25 |
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| Holly26 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:01 |
| Jope | meh | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening | 20:07 |
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| Jope | even ign | 20:11 |
| kimmoli | Jope: how is my baby? | 20:11 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: it still keeps going | 20:11 |
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| Jope | kimmoli, your baby is in the reckless hands of an italian man | 20:11 |
| Jope | on its way towards barcelona :-) | 20:11 |
| kimmoli | uh. | 20:11 |
| Jope | I put it in an antistatic bubble wrap bag + a cardboard box | 20:11 |
| Jope | it should arrive intact | 20:12 |
| Quu | should | 20:12 |
| kimmoli | good, thanks for taking care | 20:12 |
| Jope | no problemo :-) | 20:12 |
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| lokimotive | hey | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: ze spambots? | 20:14 |
| Quu | yes | 20:14 |
| Quu | 77.231.59.198 | 20:14 |
| Quu | 93.114.45.59 | 20:14 |
| Quu | 37.221.175.38 | 20:15 |
| Quu | etc. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's spreading cos there's probably a exploit in the pages | 20:16 |
| Quu | maybe | 20:16 |
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| Jope | I don't know, but my gut says maybe | 20:18 |
| mikma | stskeeps: be our http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TYv2PhG89A and ban all the ip | 20:21 |
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| Quu | im pretty sure its just some one lonely dude with too much time and list of proxies | 20:41 |
| Tofe | Quu: maybe preparing a future app for our Jolla ? | 20:44 |
| Quu | yeah sure why not | 20:45 |
| Quu | jolla-botnet | 20:45 |
| Tofe | would be a bit subtil to have the jolla store approval | 20:46 |
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| stn^ | i'm still getting this "account needs to be updated" notification all the time.. I've added facebook account to jolla's accounts, removed it, rebooted, added again and this still persists | 21:24 |
| stn^ | when looking at the 1.0.3.8 fixes this was listed there | 21:25 |
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| stn^ | and I'm on 1.0.3.8, and all the apps are updated in jolla store | 21:25 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | I really really love the keira black colors! | 21:27 |
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| Anz_ | did u get one? | 21:34 |
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| Quu | i got mine week ago | 21:35 |
| Anz_ | better than white? | 21:35 |
| Quu | depends on what you like | 21:35 |
| Anz_ | asking ur view :) | 21:36 |
| Quu | well, its better than white but its bit "boring" | 21:36 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | i was talking about the theme | 21:38 |
| Anz_ | i would have ordered black if it was available as default.. now trying to convince myself white is fine as N900 was all black | 21:39 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | i will change every few weeks between my 3 toh | 21:40 |
| Anz_ | got a rainbow set? or 3d printing? | 21:40 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | white, limited, black | 21:41 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | rainbow set would rock | 21:42 |
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| AL13N_jolla | I got a weird thing a few hours ago. | 21:43 |
| AL13N_jolla | I had a notification for a missed call | 21:43 |
| AL13N_jolla | I open notifications and i pressed on that notification, but nothing happened, I couldn't even end it with a top swipe | 21:45 |
| AL13N_jolla | i pressed the power button, but then the led blinked red fast | 21:46 |
| AL13N_jolla | kept blinking | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | the UI crashed | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | did it start blinking fast green after a while? | 21:46 |
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| AL13N_jolla | then it came bacjk. with all apps | 21:47 |
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| AL13N_jolla | and then i retried notification but it was still the same | 21:47 |
| AL13N_jolla | Yaniel: only the first time did it blink green fast | 21:48 |
| AL13N_jolla | Yaniel: after three times i rebooted | 21:48 |
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| AL13N_jolla | it seems the ui didn't crash completely i guess, since the apps got back? | 21:49 |
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| Yaniel | dunno | 21:50 |
| AL13N_jolla | Yaniel: wdyt? | 21:50 |
| Yaniel | but that sounds a lot like when settings crashes the UI for me | 21:50 |
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| AL13N_jolla | i had a ui crash once but i had nothing like this, just a fresh hone screen, wuthout apps | 21:52 |
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| Yaniel | hm | 21:54 |
| AL13N_jolla | of course, that was a few versions ago | 21:55 |
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| AL13N_jolla | playing a movie from cargo doesn't play silent when sounds are turned off | 22:06 |
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