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| Agatha19 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:04 |
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| Waitee | ./kick Agatha19 | 00:04 |
| Waitee | ignored | 00:04 |
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| Ana23 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 04:04 |
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| Adrianna20 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 06:04 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: hue. it changed name and ip | 06:23 |
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| Quu | thankyou :) | 06:31 |
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| chem|st | Venemo_j: you are the irc devel? | 08:30 |
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| chem|st | the dots still don't move and the save dot says edit instead of blending to save | 08:32 |
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| Wnt | chem|st: why don't you file a ticket and send a pull request at https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish ;) | 08:36 |
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| Venemo_j | chem|st: yes, jpnurmi and me | 08:39 |
| chem|st | Wnt: could do yes | 08:39 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: nice work so far | 08:39 |
| Wnt | still haven't had time to test out the IRC client myself | 08:39 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: do you know what I mean with the UI inconsistency? | 08:39 |
| Wnt | is it possible to use Irssi as a multi network BNC? | 08:40 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: could you please give more details? | 08:40 |
| chem|st | Wnt: yes | 08:41 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: the very first page has a dimmed dot top left but no action | 08:41 |
| Wnt | chem|st: can it send the connecting client some logged history when connecting? | 08:41 |
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| Wnt | like recent messages from channels and queries | 08:42 |
| chem|st | Wnt: afaik you have all what the irssi has, never used it | 08:42 |
| chem|st | Wnt: meaning if irssi logged the last 10h and you connet you see the channel like never been away | 08:42 |
| Wnt | chem|st: ok, I'll have to try it out! | 08:43 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: editing a network shows "edit" where the "save" should be written | 08:43 |
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| Kisuli | hello everyone | 08:44 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j: and the last, afaik the dots should move to the center if pulled but only the text moves | 08:44 |
| Jope | bå | 08:44 |
| ballock | że was? | 08:44 |
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| chem|st | Wnt: I think you want to look at irssi-proxy | 08:45 |
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| Venemo_j_2 | sorry, got disconnected | 08:47 |
| Venemo_j_2 | chem|st: did you say anything after the dimmed dot? | 08:47 |
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| Wnt | I hate that in the Store one cannot access the application details page when an app is installing | 08:52 |
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| Psy-Q | hi. i can't seem to figure out how to use XMPP support on sailfish. i've enabled my account, but where do i add XMPP contact details to people? how do i message them? | 08:53 |
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| chem|st | Venemo_j: editing a network shows "edit" where the "save" should be written | 08:56 |
| chem|st | Venemo_j_2: and the last, afaik the dots should move to the center if pulled but only the text moves | 08:56 |
| chem|st | Psy-Q: you cannot add contacts as of now | 08:57 |
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| chem|st | sending messages like sms to the already known | 08:57 |
| Wnt | It seems that the Irssi proxy module doesn't support sending log to the client internally: http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=678 | 08:57 |
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| chem|st | Psy-Q: new presences need to be assigned with another client | 08:58 |
| Psy-Q | chem|st: oooh, crap :| there doesn't seem to be another dedicated XMPP client for sailfish yet, right? found nothing on the store or warehouse | 08:58 |
| Wnt | but it seems that the feature can be added by a script: http://wouter.coekaerts.be/irssi/proxy_backlog | 08:59 |
| salami` | any maemotalk users here? | 08:59 |
| Psy-Q | i'm looking for a family chat alternative to whatsapp now that they're being bought :) i thought of setting up a little federated xmpp server | 08:59 |
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| Nichope | Psy-Q: have you heard about Telegram? | 09:02 |
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| Nichope | Someone told ne that parts of it are open source | 09:02 |
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| Nichope | so it may not be very difficult to do a client (in fact, I was told that there are already many) | 09:03 |
| Mnsu | is this the boot-loop bug I have been reading about, my phone just switched off, and then I tried to power it back on, now it just keeps going between black screen and the jolla logo start screen | 09:03 |
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| Psy-Q | Nichope: no, haven't heard of that, but i'll look it up, thanks :) | 09:04 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: the first dot is a silica bug, dialog component doesn't work unless there's a page before it on the stack | 09:04 |
| Nichope | salami`: Well, I was not a registered user, but I have "used" it a lot for some years :P | 09:04 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: edit-save: that's a wording issue, will fix | 09:04 |
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| Venemo_j | chem|st: about moving dot: sounds like a silica issue too | 09:05 |
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| Nichope | Psy-Q: It's becoming quite popular atm. It's quite better than whatsapp in sending files and in security (it's funny because now, suddently, people who have been using whatsapp for months and years seem to worry about security and privacy. lol.) | 09:07 |
| salami` | do you need certain amount of rep/posted messages to send pm's or something? | 09:07 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: but I'm glad you didn't find more serious issues :) | 09:07 |
| salami` | I promised to send this guy few jolla covers to denmark but I cant PM him on maemotalk | 09:08 |
| kimmoli | salami`: afaik 5 posts | 09:08 |
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| salami` | perkele | 09:09 |
| Psy-Q | Nichope: well, the kids in the family say they don't care about privacy anyhow :P | 09:09 |
| Psy-Q | that's how they ended up using whasapp and facebook | 09:09 |
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| Psy-Q | Nichope: looks cute on the screenshots.. | 09:11 |
| Psy-Q | i'd prefer to move them from some centralized thing to something self-hosted or at least encrypted. jabber with OTR or something | 09:12 |
| Psy-Q | but that'd require an OTR-capable xmpp client on sailfish for me :( | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | otr is when you use centralised services | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | if you host your own jabber, ssl is enough | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | jabber server, rather; or xmpp server | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | well, actually, unless you don't want to trust yourself :) | 09:14 |
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| AL13N_work1 | ggabriel: trust no one | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work1 | least of all yourself | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | that's why what i've just written is false | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | or is it? | 09:15 |
| Psy-Q | yeah, that'd work, but i'd have to get sailfish to eat my self-signed cert | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work1 | bad | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | Psy-Q: why self signed? get a cert? | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work1 | self-signed cert | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | startssl.com or something | 09:15 |
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| AL13N_work1 | Psy-Q: get a cacert one | 09:15 |
| Psy-Q | AL13N_work1: i have one, but cacert isn't in the cert chain on sailfish, is it? | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work1 | and put the cacert.org CA in the jolla | 09:15 |
| Psy-Q | AL13N_work1: ah. ok, that'd work | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work1 | Psy-Q: you can easily put it in there | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | fwiw, the startssl comes with sailfish already | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work1 | Psy-Q: on together, there's a few steps | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work1 | ggabriel: but cacert.org is more secure :-) | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | why? | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work1 | or at least the identity verification | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | well... you don't need that | 09:16 |
| AL13N_work1 | you should | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | in fact, you have to pay in startcom | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | which i'm not | 09:17 |
| Psy-Q | i have one, might as well use it.. | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | why? | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | all that needs to be verified is the domain | 09:17 |
| Psy-Q | i don't want to trust paid CAs :| | 09:17 |
| AL13N_work | exactly | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | startcom is free | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | except for "advanced" certs | 09:17 |
| Psy-Q | or pay to get a cert that the israeli intelligence also has access to :) | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | i'm not making publicity btw, just telling my experience | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | well, notihng is 100% secure | 09:17 |
| AL13N_work | true | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | you make your best effort | 09:18 |
| AL13N_work | least of all DNS let alone something based on DNS | 09:18 |
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| ggabriel | and if you get a proper ssl cert etc etc, and speak of pink elephants, nobody is going to even bother decrypting your conversation | 09:18 |
| Psy-Q | yeah, it's only family chat that i'm securing | 09:18 |
| Psy-Q | "don't forget to bring some milk", etc. | 09:18 |
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| ggabriel | exactly | 09:18 |
| Psy-Q | and "who parked the car outside on the reserved space again, wtf?" | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | death to the infidels, etc | 09:19 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, i normally call them pink elephants, but whatever ;) | 09:19 |
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| Wnt | well this is weird! I installed the IRC client from the store, but it's not visible in the icon list | 09:20 |
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| Psy-Q | i was so happy to have mitäkuuluu and delete android whatsapp, now i have to get android ChatSecure to replace it :( | 09:21 |
| Wnt | and it appears twice in the Store's My apps list | 09:21 |
| Wnt | an I can launch it from there successfully | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | doesn't any whatsapp client download all your contacts regardless of who makes it? | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | (you kinda agree to that in the t&c's) | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | not only downloads all your contacts, it does it on a regular basis | 09:22 |
| * tbr idly ponders why people with tinfoil hats don't use their own XMPP servers | 09:22 | |
| tbr | sailfish has _native_ support for that | 09:22 |
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| Psy-Q | tbr: because (i asked that before) the native XMPP support sucks | 09:22 |
| tbr | instead they install crappy apps of unknown provenance | 09:22 |
| Psy-Q | tbr: since i can't add new contacts from the mobile, can't use OTR, etc. | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | tbr: i tried (didn't make a lot of effort tho), but my distro doesn't have a working xmpp server :( | 09:22 |
| tbr | Psy-Q: orly? it works for me | 09:22 |
| tbr | Psy-Q: make OTR work then | 09:22 |
| Psy-Q | tbr: ChatSecure is by the Tor project, i trust them slightly | 09:23 |
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| * tbr goes to mind his own business as he has TLS secured XMPP working on his jolla | 09:23 | |
| Psy-Q | tbr: chem|st said earlier that you can't add new contacts via native XMPP | 09:23 |
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| ggabriel | tbr: what did you use again? | 09:23 |
| tbr | Psy-Q: because I have to do that all the time, right. </snerk> | 09:24 |
| Psy-Q | tbr: let me know how :) | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | well, you add them in a computer innit :) | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | and then your phone knows about it | 09:24 |
| Psy-Q | "add contact" doesn't have a field for XMPP uid | 09:24 |
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| Psy-Q | that i can find at least | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | Psy-Q: I mean - add the contact in a computer | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | use pidgin or whatever | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | until the feature is active in sailfish | 09:25 |
| Psy-Q | ggabriel: yes, that's what chem|st said, but i understand tbr adds his contacts via the phone (?) | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | then you link/merge in sailfish | 09:25 |
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| ggabriel | not what i understood | 09:25 |
| Psy-Q | ggabriel: ah yeah, he just said "it works for me". i thought he meant adding contacts | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | he's gone to mind his own business ;) | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | i agree with tbr wrt own xmpp server | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | but i guess i need a day or two to figure it out | 09:27 |
| Psy-Q | yeah, i could do that. i might want to federate it though. don't know how that works yet | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | dunno who i would use it with tho :P | 09:27 |
| pp | ejabberd :-) | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | pp: ah, yeah, tried that one and didn't work ootb | 09:28 |
| Psy-Q | the local nerd scene is pretty active on the local jabber server(s) :) i'd want to federate with those | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 09:28 |
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| ggabriel | you'd need otr then ;) | 09:28 |
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| Psy-Q | yeah, and since i don't know anything about C++ or libpurple (if that's even used on sailfish) or anything, i'd be the best guy to implement that | 09:28 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: got my query? | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: yes, just a bit backlogged atm | 09:30 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: was just to keep you posted | 09:31 |
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| Nichope | Psy-Q: For how the conversation has advanced, my comment might already be out of place :P, but I think Telegram is encripted | 09:38 |
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| Psy-Q | Nichope: if it's closed source, that can't be trusted :( | 09:39 |
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| Psy-Q | i'd try to move them to ChatSecure instead | 09:39 |
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| Nichope | oh, really? Do you know which parts of it are open? | 09:40 |
| Azog | does one get something for free for visiting jolla at the mwc? just a thought... | 09:40 |
| Nichope | (i mean about telegram. 'cause I was told that it had open parts) | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | Azog: i can give you a handshake at least .. :P | 09:41 |
| Nichope | Stskeeps: are you going there too? :) | 09:41 |
| Azog | Stskeeps: unfortunately i won't be there, just a friend is working at another booth | 09:41 |
| Psy-Q | Nichope: no, but if not the whole source is there, the better alternative is the one that has the whole source available :) | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | Nichope: yeah, manning ze booth and participating in meetings.. | 09:41 |
| Wnt | Is there CTCP support in the Sailfish IRC client? | 09:42 |
| Nichope | Psy-Q: I understand | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | oh, so it's started [wmc] | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: good luck to you and the sailors | 09:43 |
| Nichope | I live near to barcelona, but as university student I | 09:43 |
| Wnt | A script that provides backlog support to the Irssi proxy module need the client to send a CTCP commend to trigger the backlog sending | 09:43 |
| Nichope | don't have the budget to buy a ticket | 09:43 |
| Nichope | (sorry, accidentally pressed enter :P) | 09:44 |
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| ggabriel | just watch it on the internet :D | 09:44 |
| Nichope | Well, thought I won't be inside, as the Jolla team are coming I would love to meet you out of the event to say hi and all that stuff :3 (In fact I already said that before :P) | 09:46 |
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| juboxi | If I accidentally swipe left when composing I cannot swipe back to get back to it | 09:57 |
| Nichope | Nichope: (I also said that if you need anything -well, basically information, contacts, and in extreme cases accomodation- while you are in Barcelona, I offered myself to help as much as my unpredictable free time allows me. Consider it kind of Mediterranean hospitality :) ) | 09:57 |
| special | juboxi: composing what? | 09:58 |
| Nichope | (copypasted because it had not been sent) | 09:58 |
| Nichope | i guess sms ha says | 09:58 |
| juboxi | special: sms | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | yup, no remorse | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | not a bad idea to add one tho | 09:59 |
| special | juboxi: https://together.jolla.com/question/7666/sms-add-ability-to-view-received-sms-messages-while-composing-a-new-message/ | 09:59 |
| special | juboxi: it's near the top of my list. | 09:59 |
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| juboxi | special: your request is more then just "add a draft sms"-box | 10:03 |
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| juboxi | special: I upvote you. | 10:03 |
| Nichope | ggabriel: do you mean copy/paste option? Or talking about sms? | 10:03 |
| suy | Nichope: Add myself to that. I live in Barcelona, and if somebody wants and can meet, I'll try to leaver work early or something. I'll send a message to the mailinglist this evening. | 10:04 |
| special | juboxi: it's not my request, I meant that it's near the top of my list to solve ;) | 10:04 |
| juboxi | special: ah i c | 10:04 |
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| juboxi | and why is the "dialogues" and "trilogues" are not shown aligned different side of screen ? | 10:05 |
| juboxi | wait, it is isn't it | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | Nichope: sms | 10:06 |
| juboxi | I think the os is just missing a few icons and to fix the right == outwards in navigational structure and left == inwards in the navigational structure... why break something that fits with the wetwear | 10:07 |
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| juboxi | When showing multidirection härdell of sms it does not show the thumbnails of the users if they have pics | 10:08 |
| juboxi | oh well.. | 10:09 |
| juboxi | "Look mom. No buttons!!" ~Jolla on UI design shinyness | 10:09 |
| Wnt | found another Irssi proxy backlog script that works with the Sailfish IRC client too! https://github.com/sangh/IrssiProxyBacklogWindowSend | 10:09 |
| juboxi | "Look mum. A gigaton of boxes." ~MSFT on UI design opaqueness | 10:10 |
| Wnt | the downside is that it sends all missed messages from all channels to a special backlog channel instead of the channel where the message was originally in | 10:10 |
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| juboxi | Why is Sailfish OS so unrefined | 10:11 |
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| juboxi | is it just a question of not enough time? | 10:11 |
| juboxi | maybe you should hire more people. | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | if you find bugs, report them on together.jolla.com | 10:11 |
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| Nicd- | Wnt: wow, they should've just tried WeeChat instead of all that trouble :P | 10:11 |
| tachikoma | the question that arises to me in that context - was the first android release better or worse - stability and refinement wise? | 10:12 |
| juboxi | There are various areas in the SW that need work | 10:12 |
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| Stskeeps | tachikoma: it's interesting to read reviews from back then for sure | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: +1 | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | yes | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | rome wasn't built in a day | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | i can remember when the g1 came out | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | shuttleworth really said this about the ubuntu phones: 'Ubuntu puts the control back into the hands of our partners and presents an exciting platform for consumers' | 10:13 |
| Wnt | Nicd-: I'm so used to irssi that it would be painful to change to another client | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | control back into the partners :| | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | how about users? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: users don't pay $$$$ for consulting | 10:13 |
| leinir | Nicd-: users != money | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | but why would "partners" take on ubuntu when android/ios/wp is already profitable? | 10:14 |
| leinir | well, except in the case of a certain mobile chat thing that was just bought by a certain large social network... there, apparently, a user is worth about 38 usd ;) | 10:15 |
| sharpneli | Maybe amazon doesn't get all the data from android/ios/wp but they will form ubuntu phone? | 10:15 |
| sharpneli | Just like what ubuntu desktop does | 10:15 |
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| tachikoma | also nur 'mittel zum zweck"? | 10:18 |
| tachikoma | argh, i did it again | 10:18 |
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| Nicd- | so fb bought whatsapp? | 10:19 |
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| Nicd- | or am I mistaken? | 10:20 |
| Waitee | will buy | 10:20 |
| Pnuu | that's what the news say | 10:20 |
| Waitee | yeah | 10:20 |
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| Nicd- | ok, time to change then | 10:21 |
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| tachikoma | can't be bothered less, not facebook and no whatapp acount :) | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | I use whatsapp with my wife | 10:23 |
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| tachikoma | we are stcuk with jabber since years | 10:24 |
| leinir | *cough* bbm works fine on jolla :) | 10:24 |
| tachikoma | thats this blacbkberry messenger? | 10:24 |
| tachikoma | well, i think i just live about 5 - 10 years in the past - communication tool wise | 10:25 |
| tachikoma | i mean - i still use email a lot ;) | 10:25 |
| goroboro | hello all | 10:25 |
| goroboro | talking about jabber... I'm trying to debug an xmpp connection that I can't get to work | 10:25 |
| goroboro | I know that it uses old-ssl and have set this with mc-tool | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | in't whatsapp also some kind of jabber on steroids? | 10:26 |
| Nichope | (connection issues again) Good to hear it, suy :) | 10:26 |
| goroboro | are there logs for this kind of stuff? | 10:26 |
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| tachikoma | interresante annahme | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | argl | 10:26 |
| special | goroboro: did you try ignore-ssl-errors? | 10:27 |
| goroboro | yeah... tried that... nothing seems to help | 10:27 |
| goroboro | the account doesn't show under presences... so I can't get anything there... I'm down to using mc-tool to try to work out what is happening | 10:27 |
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| special | it really needs better error UI. | 10:28 |
| goroboro | yeah... and more parameter settings in the accounts UI | 10:29 |
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| special | if you're comfortable with debug logs, the most detailed info will come from (as nemo): killall telepathy-gabble; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-gabble 2>&1 | tee gabble.log | 10:29 |
| special | server, port, priority, and ignore-ssl-errors are in the next update | 10:30 |
| goroboro | I think I had similar trouble with empathy on KDE... I seem to remember that I resolved it using libpurple | 10:30 |
| goroboro | mmm thanks special... will try that for debug | 10:30 |
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| ponky | hello. any idea why my jolla doesn't keep facebook login active? i have to re-login like once or twice a day | 11:20 |
| ponky | also there's no option to use fb chat from messages | 11:20 |
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| Peperito | Is your Presence set to online or away? | 11:22 |
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| ponky | Peperito: online | 11:25 |
| chem|st | ponky: facebook login in the browser? the other sync login etc from accounts should work without user-action. And are you sure you want to be always online with the current problems with connection bricking devices? | 11:25 |
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| ponky | chem|st: i added my account via settings -> accounts. contacts synced fine etc. Connection bricking devices? haven | 11:26 |
| ponky | 't heard of it | 11:26 |
| chem|st | ponky: buggy connections like weak signal or roaming wlan might crash connectivity for good, my device shutdown the screen and started flashing the led once | 11:28 |
| ponky | aah, mine started to spam 'problem with connection' once, had to remove battery to shut down | 11:29 |
| chem|st | my sister's had to recover the btrfs via telnet yesterday, bootlooping | 11:29 |
| ponky | heh | 11:29 |
| chem|st | ponky: if you want to be always on it might be better to go back to 2.5 atm | 11:30 |
| ponky | it's just weird. we have identical setups with my friend but he has the option to use fb chat, i dont | 11:30 |
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| chem|st | does it show up in edit presence from notifications_ | 11:30 |
| chem|st | ? | 11:31 |
| ponky | nope | 11:31 |
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| chem|st | go to accounts and edit your facebook one | 11:31 |
| chem|st | see if something is not activated or if it is turn it of, not the account but the features and reboot | 11:32 |
| ponky | i have sync and instant messaging enabled, sharing & feeds disabled | 11:33 |
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| ponky | again, identical to my friends setup and on his device there is facebook in presence details | 11:33 |
| chem|st | disable all and reboot, get wlan online and activate them again | 11:33 |
| ponky | ok lets see | 11:33 |
| chem|st | again, said procedure | 11:33 |
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| chem|st | if that does not help, remove the account, reboot, turn on wlan, setup account <- in that order | 11:34 |
| chem|st | I was unable to setup accounts on the first OS version when I had wlan and mdata activated in settings so stick to wlan-only for now | 11:35 |
| chem|st | or one connection only | 11:35 |
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| ponky | chem|st: nope :/ | 11:40 |
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| ponky | i removed the account, reboot, set up account again, immidiately after i get notification 'account needs to be updated' | 11:42 |
| ponky | i re-login, nothing in precenses | 11:42 |
| ponky | could this be related to fb security settings? | 11:42 |
| salami` | ponky: try removing sailfish oauth permissions from facebook with ur browser | 11:43 |
| salami` | and then add the account again | 11:43 |
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| ponky | salami`: you mean entries in 'where you're logged in' ? | 11:44 |
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| chem|st | ponky: is your device upgraded? | 11:45 |
| ponky | yup | 11:45 |
| chem|st | ok | 11:46 |
| chem|st | yeah then it might be account settings by facebook lmc | 11:46 |
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| salami` | ponky: https://www.facebook.com/settings?tab=applications | 11:48 |
| salami` | remove the "jolla" application | 11:49 |
| ponky | salami`: ah yeah, thanks | 11:49 |
| ponky | lets see | 11:49 |
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| chem|st | ponky: that might not help it, edit the settings in facebook and see if it is allowed to actually use everything | 11:52 |
| ponky | salami`: nope :( | 11:53 |
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| ponky | this is so weird. why does it ask me to update account immidiately after i add it | 11:54 |
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| CvP | hello :) | 12:16 |
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| skvark | funny how different color PLA requires different printing temperature | 12:21 |
| kimmoli | skvark: so true. | 12:22 |
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| kimmoli | i print mostly black as all settings are good for that... | 12:22 |
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| ponky | salami` chem|st , i've tried with 3 different accounts now. 1 works 2 dont | 12:31 |
| ponky | so it must have something to do with account settings in fb | 12:32 |
| CvP | witch printer you have all! | 12:34 |
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| CvP | damn cant install black oh theme :( | 12:36 |
| CvP | seems so, that the phone dosnt read the nfc | 12:36 |
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| PeperJohnny | CvP: does it say that there's a problem with toh? | 12:39 |
| osaton | you have tohd service running? | 12:39 |
| CvP | no, no message or anything | 12:39 |
| CvP | osaton , yes.i enable it on terminal | 12:40 |
| CvP | or do i have Start it too? , because reboot not help | 12:40 |
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| kimmoli | cvp: Felix 1.5 | 12:45 |
| osaton | what does "systemctl status tohd.service" say | 12:45 |
| kimmoli | start, enable. | 12:46 |
| kimmoli | or unmask tjsp, depends what you used for workaround ages ago | 12:46 |
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| CvP | activat: inaktivate (dead) ..... hmmm | 12:51 |
| CvP | start... comes massage: failed to issue method call: unit tohd.service is masked | 12:53 |
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| osaton | systemctl unmask tohd.service | 12:56 |
| kimmoli | cvp: unmask or enable | 12:56 |
| AL13N_work | or both | 12:57 |
| AL13N_work | and "start" while you're at it | 12:57 |
| CvP | ok unmask + than start has work.... status active.... but nothing happend | 12:58 |
| skvark | kimmoli: yeah, clear PLA required about 15 celcius more than black/blue | 12:58 |
| CvP | take out, put on... no reaction | 12:58 |
| osaton | maybe reboot again | 13:01 |
| CvP | ok i do that | 13:01 |
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| kimmoli | it needs to register uid to jolla store and install ambiance rpm tjsp. took a while... | 13:03 |
| Mnsu | why "tjsp" when writing in English? :) | 13:04 |
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| tango_ | http://trickytipsyfriend.blogspot.com.es/2014/02/samsung-will-also-use-sailfish-os-on-new-product.html is this true? | 13:05 |
| tango_ | on a separate node: midi/rmi support from the media player in jolla: yes/no/maybe? | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | "If the rumors are true," | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | there are rumors that samsung eventually will make a tizen phone too, some day, perhaps, possibly. | 13:06 |
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| tbr | mayhaps | 13:07 |
| tango_ | and re. midi? | 13:08 |
| sakjur | ggabriel: Well, the Tizen rumor is pretty backed up by Samsung. On LinuxCon EU in Edinburgh, they were pretty convincing, with development units etc ;) | 13:09 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | tango_: thats bullshit made up on hakullinen's tweet about sailfishos on samsung galaxy | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | let's just say that if there was such a large deal, people who did leak something like that would be made to walk the plank | 13:14 |
| CvP | nope not working | 13:15 |
| goroboro | gotta love modern journalists... "I saw someone tweet some crap... so I'll write an article on it... and cover myself by saying that its a rumour... and not bother to provide the source of the rumour" | 13:16 |
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| PeperJohnny | CvP: what does systemctl status tohd.service say now? | 13:16 |
| CvP | same like before | 13:16 |
| PeperJohnny | that it's dead? | 13:16 |
| CvP | but get os update, i download / install again, maybe helps | 13:17 |
| CvP | no thats active :) | 13:17 |
| PeperJohnny | Ok | 13:17 |
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| CvP | no not helps... damn it | 13:23 |
| osaton | CvP, while you were gone "15:03 (kimmoli) it needs to register uid to jolla store and install ambiance rpm or something like that. took a while..." | 13:25 |
| CvP | thx | 13:25 |
| CvP | uid? | 13:25 |
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| kimmoli | CvP: NFC UID | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | check cat /proc/interrupts | grep toh | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | does the count value increase when attaching toh | 13:27 |
| spiiroin | CvP, kimmoli: "dbus-monitor --system path=/com/jolla/tohd" should tell what tohd sees and reports | 13:28 |
| kimmoli | yep that too. | 13:28 |
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| ponky | chem|st: i fixed it, heh | 15:18 |
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| chem|st | ponky: how? | 15:27 |
| ponky | chem|st: well... when you add an account jolla asks if it can post for you.. i always skipped this part because i thought it's something similar to androids 'hey i'm using fb on android! yay' spam | 15:30 |
| ponky | i think it was a bit misleading tbh | 15:31 |
| sikakraa | hey, can someone tell me where to find the android (emulator) logs on jolla? | 15:33 |
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| suy | I've taken my jolla out my pocket, and it was extremely hot, and all the battery was almost drained :-/ | 15:39 |
| suy | I hope it was some runaway process. I panicked and I've turned it off. | 15:40 |
| Raim | sikakraa: maybe you are looking for /opt/alien/system/bin/logcat | 15:42 |
| chem|st | suy: was wlan or mdata on? | 15:42 |
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| suy | chem|st: mobile data | 15:43 |
| suy | I think the radio eats more battery than the CPU. Or at least the device gets hotter on those cases. But I've never seen it like today. | 15:43 |
| sikakraa | Raim: probably, let's see :) | 15:43 |
| chem|st | suy: radio eats definetly more battery than the cpu, but a turned off device is not getting us anywhere | 15:44 |
| sikakraa | Raim: yes, thank you! | 15:44 |
| chem|st | suy: look on cpu usage next time please | 15:44 |
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| suy | chem|st: I know, I've panicked. It was almost burning in my hand. I still have to look at how the journal is set up. But unless some app logs to it the status of CPU usage or radio, its not useful even if persistent storage is set up. | 15:45 |
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| chem|st | suy: I had a wlan-usb-dongle molten in my hub last week... I know what you are talking about | 15:47 |
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| friese | wohoo, got my black to - looks really nice:) | 15:48 |
| friese | *toh | 15:48 |
| chem|st | friese: grats! | 15:49 |
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| jhellen | I just did a factory reset and I still wonder why QuteSpotify, Mitakuuluu, Jopas etc can't be found in Jolla Store :/ Been using them for almost two months now. | 17:18 |
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| Tofe | jhellen: dependencies on unstable qt api, I guess | 17:22 |
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| Sail0r | YEAH keira black arrived | 17:24 |
| Morpog_PC | any idea how to get keira black installed? it's loading since ages.... | 17:24 |
| Morpog_PC | mine too Sail0r | 17:24 |
| Morpog_PC | but it won't install :( | 17:24 |
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| jhellen | Tofe: OK, and that means what exactly? :) Are the devs waiting for a stable api or who's to blame? ;) | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | installed on first try Morpog_PC | 17:25 |
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| Morpog_PC | did it laos change to it? | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | also | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | install popped up here too | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | now endlessly installing | 17:26 |
| Tofe | jhellen: it means they wait, yes, and also they are discussing with the community how to manage api evolutions in the future | 17:27 |
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| Tofe | I don't know how far they are on that point, I just remember it was a big topic at fosdem | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, like that http://abload.de/img/20140220182717yyj4g.jpg :( | 17:29 |
| * pahartik tried to install "TinyEdit" last night and it still on "waiting" state | 17:30 | |
| Sail0r | :( | 17:31 |
| Sail0r | maybe you need to clean up your ambience db | 17:31 |
| Sail0r | it's described on tjc | 17:32 |
| Morpog_PC | that will makeme loose all my ambiences :( | 17:32 |
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| Sail0r | that sucks | 17:33 |
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| Anz_ | @pahartik, try installing it from openrepos? | 17:36 |
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| pahartik | Anz_: I wonder what is name of that package | 17:45 |
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| pahartik | Anz_: What I am more interested in... How to cancel and remove it or try installing again... Since now it is one item stuck on "Jolla Store" | 17:49 |
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| kimmoli | my First one is "broken" - kinda. it does not change anymore the ambiance. black and aloe installed nicely w/o trouble... | 18:29 |
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| Hartzi | kimmoli: have you unfavorited TFO ambiance? | 18:58 |
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| jhellen | Anyone using Zoho mail on Jolla? I lost my working configuration and now I can't find out how to configure it. http://zsync.zohosites.com/Android.html | 19:21 |
| jhellen | Been trying different configurations for over an hur now :/ | 19:22 |
| jhellen | hour | 19:22 |
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| cvp | re | 19:37 |
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| kimmoli | Hartzi: ashamed. should have tried that. thanks. | 19:59 |
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| Zoe18 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:16 |
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| jussi | spammer again... :/ | 20:16 |
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| slate | already in Z, will be out of alphabets soon. | 20:16 |
| jussi | hehe | 20:16 |
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| ShadowJK | my jolla dies sponteously | 20:33 |
| Yaniel | random shutdowns? | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | twice today | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery for 10 minutes past shutdown | 20:35 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 20:38 |
| kimmoli | 10 minutes past shutdown --- is that soon(tm) ? | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | press release: jolla gives you those 10 minutes of silence from the infernal noises of the interweb that you so desperately need | 20:40 |
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| ShadowJK | Didn't really have time for it today, pressed powerbutton in the same move as putting phone back in pocket | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | This spontaneous random shutdown seems to be really selective. I have not seen it even once. | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | and when I later checked it had booted and was running random apps already :) | 20:40 |
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| katy26 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:04 |
| p2-mate | go away! | 22:04 |
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| Eztran | Hmm. Are they making up new names for each time now? Seems a bit pointless seeing as only like 2 names got banned. | 22:05 |
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| tbr | well it goes across all of freenode presumably | 22:06 |
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| tbr | if nobody clicks, it will go away over time as there will be no ad/referral revenue | 22:07 |
| Eztran | Actually, yeah, it has been. No channel's gonna have been banning each name in turn, though. | 22:07 |
| Eztran | And... people have been clicking. 512 distinct users, apparently. And loads today. | 22:08 |
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| Acce | sigh | 22:09 |
| Acce | when will people learn | 22:09 |
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| Eztran | Many of the clicks are probably from people just wondering what they're trying to advertise. | 22:10 |
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| Acce | well, that is probably true | 22:12 |
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