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| pdanek | Something is wrong, after update my battery lasts much less. | 01:37 |
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| HylianSavior | does jolla not support wpa2 with peap? | 01:56 |
| HylianSavior | it just says 'cannot connect' | 01:56 |
| raa79 | https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 01:57 |
| HylianSavior | exactly what i needed | 01:58 |
| HylianSavior | thanks | 01:58 |
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| HylianSavior | is enabling dev mode supposed to take several minutes? | 02:04 |
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| Anz_ | hyliansavior eduroam? | 02:07 |
| HylianSavior | ? | 02:07 |
| Anz_ | wpa2 for eduroam? | 02:07 |
| HylianSavior | yes | 02:07 |
| HylianSavior | i clicked enable developer mode and it's been enabling it for several minutes | 02:08 |
| Anz_ | i just followed the work around. wil try the connection tomorrow at university | 02:08 |
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| * kimmoli wonders what is difference between rev C and D Jolla original TOHs (poppy red/white rev C, aloe/black rev D) | 07:25 | |
| Dima^ | color :D | 07:26 |
| Dima^ | C = color, D = dark :) just my theory | 07:27 |
| kimmoli | nope. it's revision of the mold used, but what has changed... | 07:32 |
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| Dima^ | ok | 07:36 |
| Frye | Well, for me the black seems to sit a bit tighter in the first half than the poppy red. | 07:36 |
| Frye | And I have not taken the red one out that many times. | 07:36 |
| Frye | But all guessing here. | 07:37 |
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| pp | rev D has tin-foil built in to improve battery life with 1.0.2.5! | 07:51 |
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| Dima^ | :D | 07:56 |
| Dima^ | so then nfc not working if so :) | 07:56 |
| Dima^ | but it still working ;) | 07:56 |
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| tango_ | well my complains about rev C TOHs is that they are too flexible, so when you try taking them out they bend instead of popping out | 08:00 |
| tango_ | but I haven't tried a rev D so I don't know if anything changed | 08:00 |
| Dima^ | true | 08:00 |
| Dima^ | lets compare.. | 08:00 |
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| PeperJohnny | tango_: it still bends quite a lot with rev D | 08:02 |
| PeperJohnny | However I don't have a C to compare^^ | 08:02 |
| tango_ | I honestly don't like that, I get the feeling it's “breaky” | 08:02 |
| PeperJohnny | Well I trust in Jolla, that they tested it enough =) | 08:03 |
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| Dima^ | hmm.. I can't see the differency in flexibility between red and black | 08:05 |
| Dima^ | mut indeet the black one is sturdier to take off | 08:06 |
| Dima^ | *indeed | 08:06 |
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| kimmoli | Reason why asking is that the STP/STL files provided in Otherhalf development kit says rev C (dated 10 Dec 2013) | 08:13 |
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| Milo- | kimmoli you had a little bit of fun with QML+dbus, didn't you? | 08:17 |
| kimmoli | fun is a stretching concept | 08:17 |
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| Milo- | I'm guessing you managed to subscribe and send dbus signals through QML? | 08:18 |
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| Dima^ | yeh.. I had fun yesterday when I gave a **** to the frameworks :P | 08:18 |
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| Acce | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus ? | 08:19 |
| Dima^ | and created new fw that suites better | 08:19 |
| Milo- | Acce yes, but as for documentation, that isn't enough :) | 08:19 |
| Acce | well, it looks like lethal Nodocs -case for a lot of stuff | 08:20 |
| Milo- | kimmoli I was wondering whether you had any examples on how to actually register and send dbus signals from QML, without needing to do it in c++ | 08:21 |
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| kimmoli | i did just fork something and edited on top of that. i think it had some plugin withit. | 08:21 |
| Milo- | oh | 08:21 |
| special | nemo-qml-plugin-dbus is the preferred way | 08:22 |
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| kimmoli | but it worked. i think that code is not in my github, it is at home, i'm at work. | 08:22 |
| Acce | Milo-: you could also check the jolla's apps qml, or some open source project which uses dbus (IRC for Sailfish, maybe?) | 08:22 |
| kimmoli | i think it was that. sources were local copy. | 08:22 |
| Milo- | kimmoli I tried looking through your github and wasn't able to find anything. :) | 08:23 |
| Acce | and, if you happen to get it working, it would be very kind to write a tutorial about it and post it somewhere :) | 08:23 |
| Milo- | special without documentation, it doesn't seem like "preferred" way :) | 08:23 |
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| special | there's code! code is even better than documentation, right? ;) | 08:23 |
| rcg | while seeing nemo-qml-plugin-dbus being mentioned. there is at least one limitation i am aware of. right, now, it is problematic to attach to singals starting with uppercase letters. the fix is in github already afaik but not yet on the device. | 08:23 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/blob/master/tests/auto-qt5/tst_dbus.qml | 08:24 |
| Milo- | special let me google a picture with the word "no" that is strong enough for this :) | 08:24 |
| special | might be helpful | 08:24 |
| rcg | special, hehe exactly :) | 08:24 |
| rcg | that got me started in using nemo-qml-plugin-dbus in about two minutes :) | 08:24 |
| rcg | btw. special are you involved in nemo-qml-plugin-dbus? | 08:25 |
| rcg | what i missed in that test case was the handling of signals in general | 08:25 |
| special | not especially, but I'm kind of involved in everything | 08:25 |
| rcg | afair, this only handles method calls | 08:25 |
| rcg | aye :) | 08:25 |
| kimmoli | afaik, i used some screencapture source as my documentation | 08:26 |
| Milo- | mkay | 08:27 |
| special | rcg: from a quick look, I'd try: | 08:28 |
| special | DBusInterface { ...; signalsEnabled: true; signal myDbusSignal(string a, int b); onMyDbusSignal: { ... } } | 08:29 |
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| special | maybe denexter could confirm that if he's still around | 08:30 |
| rcg | special, yeah, but it would be even better if this was included in the test ;) | 08:31 |
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| special | PRs welcome ;) | 08:32 |
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| rcg | usually, when i see something like test/ in a project, that's one of the first resource i look into :) | 08:32 |
| rcg | special, :) | 08:32 |
| rcg | however, there are only so many hours in a day :/ | 08:32 |
| denexter | I am for a couple more minutes, but that'll work | 08:32 |
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| special | I've found you can dramatically expand the hours in a day if you give up on sleeping | 08:33 |
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| Sail0r | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KmWqpFz-loI/UwMQfuFUo9I/AAAAAAAAGPE/471usMsm_rI/w1358-h764-no/linux-world-map-second-colored.png | 08:33 |
| kimmoli | sleep is good. you should take 15 min nap every 1 hour. When you wake up, you usually have the solution for your problem | 08:34 |
| rcg | special, well, to be nitpicking, by definition this does not expand the hours in a day at all ;P | 08:34 |
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| kimmoli | i think i did use only method calls | 08:36 |
| kimmoli | signals i used only from c++ | 08:36 |
| rcg | special, but well, the more serious answer is likely that there is on one hand something like a real life and a real job/profession and on the other hand in the scarce spare time are so many interesting side projects as well | 08:37 |
| rcg | kimmoli, dito | 08:37 |
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| special | yep. | 08:37 |
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| rcg | special, in fact, the one thing that troubles me a bit about being involved in so much open source stuff is that you can get the feeling that you are not doing "enough" as there are so many cool things to do that would be really helpful | 08:40 |
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| rcg | on the other hand, hacking on open source should be fun and not feel like a burden | 08:41 |
| rcg | so, it is sometimes difficult to slow oneself down to keep the fun up | 08:41 |
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| special | rcg: that really gets dangerous when your OSS hobby becomes your job | 08:43 |
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| kimmoli | rcg: special - totally comply... | 08:44 |
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| special | there's always something important you should be doing.. but it really is a good thing to set those aside and do some for fun too | 08:47 |
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| rcg | special, indeed :) | 08:50 |
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| rcg | special, kimmoli it's also always good to see that others share this way of thinking :) | 08:51 |
| ccha2 | hello, I can't select mobile network. yesterday I could. What happended ? | 08:52 |
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| rangoy | kimmoli: tried the uberman sleep schedule? | 08:57 |
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| kimmoli | no, i'm currently in monophase | 08:58 |
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| Grauwolf | is there a web-version of the jolla store? | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | nope | 09:40 |
| Grauwolf | also: there are no paid apps yet, right? | 09:40 |
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| ggabriel | nope, you can vote for that one too :) | 09:40 |
| Grauwolf | k :) | 09:41 |
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| Grauwolf | just started an mobile software dev company with some friends (actually today is the first day at our office). and i'm really fond of jolla | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | best of luck! | 09:43 |
| Grauwolf | thanks | 09:44 |
| tachikoma | mh, i need to clean up my two games and then read up on how to get stuff into the store :) | 09:46 |
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| p2-mate | ah, so it's not really a store :) | 09:53 |
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| ggabriel | p2-mate: depends on what you consider a store | 09:53 |
| p2-mate | a place where you pay for stuff :) | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | it isn't commercial just yet, that's probably what you mean | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | that isn't necessarily a store | 09:54 |
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| p2-mate | true, there are also other places where you have to pay for stuff. I wasn't implying equivalence here | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | i wasn't saying that: a store doesn't necessarily mean that you have to pay for stuff | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | semantics | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | you can't buy just yet | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | and you can vote for it | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | which i did, as i want meerun | 09:55 |
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| zmo | \o/ \\o o// \o/ | 10:07 |
| * zmo got my jolla | 10:07 | |
| ggabriel | lol | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | i was like that when i got mine | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | so pretty | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | :P | 10:07 |
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| netzvieh | you should have been like /o\ handstand :D | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's all so pretty and then you find out that girl is crazy.. | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 10:11 |
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| zmo | though, it's weird to get a phone with pictures already in | 10:12 |
| zmo | it feels like it was someone's phone before I got it :-) | 10:12 |
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| kimmoli | zmo: take a look at the thank-you video... | 10:12 |
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| Raim | zmo: I think other phone manufacturers do that as well. but they usually do not show any people, just some scenery. | 10:13 |
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| zmo | kimmoli - nice :-) | 10:15 |
| kimmoli | i like that you can choose what to install. N9 came with golf, nfs etc .. i think i played golf once. | 10:16 |
| kimmoli | and 90% of update bandwith was taken to update that golf game | 10:16 |
| tbr | I kind of liked that space game thingy, although it could have had more missions | 10:17 |
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| tachikoma | Stskeeps: i still prefer crazy girls to that cooperate type ;) | 10:23 |
| melonipoika | hi all | 10:23 |
| melonipoika | i asked this in systemd but got no replies yet. Trying it here as well: | 10:23 |
| melonipoika | i can only see the log of the most recent boot whith journalctl | 10:24 |
| melonipoika | [nemo@localhost ~]$ grep Storage /etc/systemd/journald.conf | 10:24 |
| melonipoika | Storage=persistent | 10:24 |
| melonipoika | but still just the last boot is shown | 10:24 |
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| melonipoika | (I call journalctl _without_ the -b switch) | 10:25 |
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| melonipoika | is there any other setting that i need to change? | 10:25 |
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| special | not according to https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/ | 10:26 |
| melonipoika | i am trying to debug my random reboots, so this would be quite useful | 10:26 |
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| melonipoika | thanks special, i folloed that guide in the first place | 10:27 |
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| melonipoika | [root@localhost nemo]# journalctl -a -n1000000 | 10:28 |
| melonipoika | Logs begin at Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:16:05 +0200, end at Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:28:29 +0200. | 10:28 |
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| nodefourtytwo | Hello | 10:47 |
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| Acce | hi | 10:47 |
| nodefourtytwo | does anyone also finds that the slide from the side actions become harder and harder to achieve the longer the phone is on? | 10:48 |
| nodefourtytwo | after a reboot it becomes normal again | 10:48 |
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| nodefourtytwo | but then, you wait for 2 or 3 days, and the gesture works again once out of 3 or four | 10:49 |
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| sjtoik | i noticed something similar, when tweetian was missbehaving and eventually crashed | 10:51 |
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| sjtoik | but at that time, i think the memory was all taken up | 10:51 |
| sjtoik | it took a while to recover | 10:51 |
| nodefourtytwo | I don't think I did reboot in 5 days or so, and really, the gestures were impossible at the end | 10:53 |
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| nodefourtytwo | I rebooted, and it became responsive again | 10:53 |
| Acce | I want more RAM | 10:53 |
| nodefourtytwo | I did not check ram levels at that moment, maybe I should have | 10:54 |
| nodefourtytwo | I will next time | 10:54 |
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| sjtoik | rebooting and clearing the runtime situation doesn't eventually tell much about the originating problem. | 10:54 |
| nodefourtytwo | indeed | 10:55 |
| nodefourtytwo | I'll investigate next time | 10:55 |
| nodefourtytwo | I just wanted to know if I'm the only one in this case | 10:55 |
| stephg | nodefourtytwo that may be a bug | 10:56 |
| stephg | there's a bug that sounds like that that was introduced in 1.0.3.8 | 10:56 |
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| nodefourtytwo | do you have a link? | 10:56 |
| stephg | just looking now for you | 10:56 |
| nodefourtytwo | thanks | 10:57 |
| stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/23257/1038-introduced-bug-in-app-minimizing-and-close/ | 10:57 |
| stephg | one of the manifestations is that you have to swipe really quickly to get back to the home screen | 10:57 |
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| nodefourtytwo | that looks exactly like what I'm experiencing | 10:58 |
| nodefourtytwo | thanks for the link | 10:59 |
| Acce | hmm, does jolla use preload or similar to load stuff that is used a lot to RAM? | 10:59 |
| Acce | systemctl gives nothing for preload.service | 10:59 |
| nodefourtytwo | good to know they are working on it :) hopefully fixed at the end of the month | 11:01 |
| stephg | yeah I hope so (and am fairly confident that it will be) | 11:02 |
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| ccha2 | I can't select mobile network. yesterday I could. What happended ? | 11:25 |
| PeperJohnny | ccha2: a reboot fixes it for me most of the times | 11:26 |
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| ccha2 | I want to know what happended | 11:29 |
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| ccha2 | why I can't enable mobile network today | 11:30 |
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| ccha2 | any reboot fix it | 11:31 |
| chem|st | ccha2: connman hung-up | 11:31 |
| chem|st | ccha2: known bug | 11:32 |
| pahartik | chem|st: Does "killall connmand" help? | 11:35 |
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| ccha2 | connman manage the 3G network too ? | 11:38 |
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| tbr | yes | 11:39 |
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| jubo2 | it's idiotic that if you swipe away from "editing sms" mode ( at least to left, maybe even right too ) one cannot swipe back. IT*S GONE | 12:12 |
| jubo2 | So pls plos "draft sms" functionality | 12:13 |
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| jubo2 | fixit pls plos | 12:13 |
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| Tegu | yea draft functionality is pretty essential | 12:14 |
| jubo2 | then again if annoying users part of your core business strategy then the "draft smses"-box isn't something y'all would be interested in | 12:15 |
| jubo2 | and why break the normal swipe outwards swipe inwards model ? | 12:16 |
| jubo2 | inwards being obviously to the left and outwards to the right | 12:16 |
| jubo2 | that'd fix the "lose your sms due to accidental swipe" | 12:16 |
| jubo2 | I'd just swipe back | 12:16 |
| Tegu | also it could show the name of the sender/recipient on the conversation view | 12:16 |
| jubo2 | I don't see why we don't get 2 views: discussion mode and separated into message boxes | 12:17 |
| jubo2 | The Windows phone is "Look mom! We made a bunch of boxes!!" | 12:18 |
| jubo2 | The Jolla phone is "Look mom! No buttons!" | 12:18 |
| jubo2 | If y'all catch my gist | 12:18 |
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| jubo2 | I try what happens if I swipe right | 12:19 |
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| jubo2 | it detects a swipe from beyond the sensor net ( and thus closes the sms editing view ) | 12:20 |
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| jubo2 | but the message is there when I go to edit message | 12:21 |
| jubo2 | that's positive. but swiping left you are left unable to swipe right to get back | 12:21 |
| jubo2 | Why cha have to break it? | 12:21 |
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| leinir | hmm... if only tweetian supported multiple accounts with merged timelines... | 13:59 |
| leinir | such a pretty app... | 14:00 |
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| Venemo_j | leinir: it's open source, you can help with it :) | 14:08 |
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| leinir | Venemo_j: Hehe, i know - i'm already involved in way too much stuff to have the time to fit it in :) | 14:08 |
| Venemo_j | leinir: I can imagine! | 14:09 |
| leinir | krita's really busy at the moment, dunno if you've seen :) | 14:11 |
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| zmo | does anybody knows if a port of firefox has been done for sailfish? | 14:12 |
| zmo | it looks like there was one for meego | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | the browser is gecko based | 14:12 |
| zmo | ah, it is? | 14:12 |
| zmo | I'd thought it was webkit the UI being Qt ;-) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 14:12 |
| Plnt | zmo: what you can run on jolla is firefox for android. that one works fine. but probably not an answer to your question :) | 14:13 |
| zmo | is it using uptodate gecko engine? | 14:13 |
| zmo | as the guys at mozilla work a lot on improving firefox | 14:13 |
| jussi | So, brother in law's phone is acting up still - it now turns off after about 5 seconds of operation. Any thoughts on how I can debug/fix this ? | 14:18 |
| leinir | Venemo_j: this, in particular :) http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=225403385 | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: quite up to date i think | 14:20 |
| zmo | so I receipt my jolla today, which has sailfishos version 1.0.0.5 the most up to date one as of today? or should I get an update? | 14:20 |
| Jope | you should update before you do anything | 14:21 |
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| zmo | how do I update? | 14:21 |
| clau | latest is 1.0.3.8 | 14:21 |
| zmo | I thought it was over the air | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | zmo: check for updates in settings->about product | 14:21 |
| Jope | first configure a jolla account to the phone (create one if you don't have one) | 14:21 |
| zmo | oh… I already installed a bunch of apps and added a few accounts | 14:21 |
| clau | I guess you will get 1.0.2.5 first, then latest | 14:21 |
| Jope | well you can upgrade any time | 14:21 |
| Jope | but you should make upgrading it a priority | 14:22 |
| zmo | oh | 14:22 |
| zmo | ok, the "check for update was in the drop down menu" | 14:22 |
| MrCarl | Stskeeps what do you think of rooting a samsung s3 ? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | MrCarl: it's fun? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| MrCarl | whats the best method ? | 14:23 |
| Jope | isn't that a bit off topic here | 14:23 |
| Yaniel | see cyanogenmod install instructions | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | a bit :P | 14:23 |
| Yaniel | and maybe #android | 14:23 |
| Jope | xda-developers will probably have a wealth of information also | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, cyanogenmod | 14:24 |
| zmo | Jope - and what you call "do anything" on the jolla? :-) | 14:25 |
| zmo | configuring accounts and installing a bunch of apps is anything? :-) | 14:25 |
| Jope | zmo, yes | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | zmo: anything you can do on a linux box? :P | 14:26 |
| zmo | should I uninstall the installed stuff before upgrade? | 14:26 |
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| Jope | zmo, no point in trying to find hidden meanings to it, please upgrade from 1.0.0.5 as soon as possible | 14:26 |
| Jope | no need to uninstall anything | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | ah, sysupgrade | 14:26 |
| Jope | just upgrade upgrade | 14:26 |
| Jope | :-D | 14:26 |
| zmo | well, I'm in the process of doing it | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | but don't install anything new | 14:26 |
| Jope | wonderufl | 14:26 |
| zmo | it's downloading | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | before that | 14:26 |
| Jope | so you're well on your way :-) | 14:26 |
| Yaniel | great | 14:26 |
| zmo | anyway, I only ran the map, friends and twitter apps | 14:27 |
| Jope | don't worry, it isn't harmful to use the phone before upgrading | 14:27 |
| zmo | get around in the preferences, configured accounts and installed the keira other half | 14:27 |
| Jope | but you may run into bugs that make the upgrade fail if you stay on 1.0.0.5 | 14:27 |
| zmo | oh ok | 14:27 |
| Jope | that's why I said do it now not later | 14:28 |
| zmo | that'd suck | 14:28 |
| Jope | keep upgrading until you're at 1.0.3.8 :-) | 14:28 |
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| zmo | sure | 14:28 |
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| zmo | that's why I asked :-) | 14:28 |
| zmo | actually I thought the system would notify me about available updates once the network is configured | 14:29 |
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| Jope | it does, but it checks only occasionally | 14:29 |
| zmo | as I saw no notification, I asked :-) | 14:29 |
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| AL13N_work | i wonder if this month too, there'll be an update | 14:33 |
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| zmo | I was wondering, has anybody done a other half arduino hack yet? :) | 14:39 |
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| zmo | I think that's going to be my first development :-p | 14:39 |
| kimmoli | done | 14:40 |
| zmo | kimmoli - any url about it? | 14:41 |
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| kimmoli | something here, not much : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92408 | 14:43 |
| kimmoli | the BADGEr is basically a arduino | 14:43 |
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| Jope | kimmoli, apologies for not having done my homework, however did you already sell out of toholeds | 14:43 |
| kimmoli | Jope: PM/email me through TMO thread. i haven't done headcount yet. | 14:44 |
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| Jope | kimmoli, ok.. I'll try to remember my TMO password, if I ever even registered :-) | 14:44 |
| Jope | thanks | 14:44 |
| kimmoli | Jope: there is email address too. | 14:45 |
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| zmo | kimmoli - nice :-) | 14:46 |
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| Venemo_j | leinir: what's that? | 15:03 |
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| leinir | Venemo_j: It's a greenlight campaign for Krita :) | 15:12 |
| Yaniel | greenlight? :D | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | yay | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | I should probably try krita someday | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | how is it different from gimp? | 15:13 |
| leinir | Well, their goals are very different... it's a bit like asking how a fork differs from a spoon - one is great for steak, the other's great for soup ;) | 15:14 |
| leinir | Gimp is all about image manipulation, and Krita is all about painting :) | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | okay | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | roger that | 15:14 |
| svuorela | mmm.. steak | 15:15 |
| leinir | They /can/ both do the other thing, but they're each much better at their designed task :) | 15:15 |
| leinir | *giggles* i realise that came out considerably more snarky than i intended :D | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | so steak.. er how is it looking for krita gemini on the jolla? | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | or krita whatever-you-call-it | 15:16 |
| leinir | well, again that would be a little silly... gemini's the dual personality thing, and it wouldn't make a lot of sense on something like the jolla... and sketch isn't really geared for small screens, it's more a tablet thing :) | 15:16 |
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| leinir | we'd need an entirely different ui for a phone-sized device, so... i'm afraid it'll be some time :) | 15:17 |
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| Yaniel | ./ | 15:18 |
| louisdk | Got my Jolla today and I'm really impressed. It's really a great phone. Both software and hardware feels quite solid. It's not hard to see that it's a phone made by true passionate people. My only cons so far is that you need to partly update the firmware. 1.2 > 1.2.5 > 1.3.5 > 1.3.8. | 15:18 |
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| Yaniel | you need to? | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | I never saw 1.0.3.5 | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | leinir: are there any plans yet? | 15:22 |
| leinir | Yaniel: for a handheld ui? no, not at the moment, i'm afraid | 15:22 |
| leinir | if we get sailfishos on tabletty devices, then it suddenly becomes a very different story, but... for now, for phones, no | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: it should go 1.0.0.5 to 1.0.2.5 to 1.0.3.8 afaik | 15:23 |
| Venemo_j | leinir: what's up with your novel? I'm still looking forw | 15:28 |
| Venemo_j | leinir: ard to reading the next chapter | 15:28 |
| zmo | updated to 1.0.3.8 :-D | 15:29 |
| leinir | Venemo_j: still working on it :) just went past 96,000 words last night, and well... yeah, i've had to split the plot into three books, but at least that means you're likely to see book one sooner ;) | 15:29 |
| zmo | Stskeeps - I think he's right, I thought I was on 1.0.3.8 when it told me to update again | 15:29 |
| zmo | so I guess I was wrong it was on 1.0.3.5 or something like that | 15:30 |
| zmo | anyway, I didn't spent much time, I upgraded again | 15:30 |
| zmo | (I even thought the 1.0.3.8 update failad, actually) | 15:30 |
| stephg | zmo there's a bug that will have it try (and successfully) upgrade to the same version... | 15:30 |
| zmo | oh ok | 15:30 |
| zmo | so maybe it's that bug I've seen | 15:30 |
| zmo | anyway | 15:30 |
| zmo | I'm now updated :-D \o/ | 15:30 |
| stephg | \o/ | 15:30 |
| zmo | the only thing, I kinda like the keira other half, though I'm not found of the "green" text color | 15:31 |
| zmo | is there a way I could change that? | 15:32 |
| Venemo_j | leinir: the first chapter was such a nice apetizer, can I beta-read the next ones? :) | 15:32 |
| zmo | or maybe, I shall use my own rfid stickers and make my own ambiances :-p | 15:32 |
| leinir | Venemo_j: there's the second chapter out - but certainly, when i have book one tied up, you can have a beta read at that one :) | 15:33 |
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| Venemo_j | leinir: great, thank you! where is the second chapter? | 15:34 |
| leinir | Venemo_j: well... since my website is down, the dA download link is broken... http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10732298/ | 15:35 |
| Venemo_j | ah | 15:36 |
| leinir | the download on there works, though, and of course it works just fine on Jolla Documents ;) | 15:37 |
| louisdk | stskeeps: It might be in that order. It just feels a bit Windows-like that it can't just upgrade with a single upgrade but that's not a big issue :) | 15:37 |
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| clau | it will be fun to do a factory reset after 1 year, when we will presumably have ~12 updates. | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: it becomes complex to QA | 15:42 |
| Pnuu | maybe some kind of "major" releases should be directly upgradable-to | 15:43 |
| clau | Stskeeps: what if you automaye the process such that user interaction is not required anymore? | 15:43 |
| clau | so when the user starts fresh, he should just get to latest version without knowing he went through several updates. | 15:44 |
| clau | there's probably space for optimizing the downloading of data by using some delta transfer algo, similar to rsync. or use rsync. | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is also that some of that features requires time travel to fix update sw of 1.0.0.5 | 15:45 |
| clau | myeah. | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | we do update in the factory when we get a chance though | 15:45 |
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| clau | you could update the update 1.0.2.5 though | 15:47 |
| clau | it's as close as you can get to time traveling :) | 15:47 |
| clau | so after instalation of 1.0.2.5, everything should be done automatically. | 15:48 |
| clau | btw, what are you doing in factory? | 15:49 |
| clau | provide a newer version as factory reset point? | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, flash a different image | 15:50 |
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| clau | I guess that will never be an option outside factory :( | 15:51 |
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| clau | as soon as I'll travel to Finland, I'll drop by and have it reflashed :) | 15:54 |
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| rostbach | No pistän sitten kutsun tuolle 4. päivä TIISTAIlle | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, english? | 15:56 |
| rostbach | sorry wrong channel | 15:57 |
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| TheBootroo_home | WTF | 16:32 |
| TheBootroo_home | http://pastebin.com/XjxPw7CW | 16:32 |
| stephg | TheBootroo_home, check the mailing list | 16:33 |
| TheBootroo_home | my app doesn't use any DBus api, no not the PackageKit one neither | 16:33 |
| TheBootroo_home | stephg: wut ? | 16:33 |
| stephg | searching... | 16:34 |
| stephg | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-February/003477.html | 16:34 |
| stephg | that thread | 16:34 |
| stephg | human error | 16:34 |
| stephg | let them know | 16:34 |
| stephg | and they'll promote | 16:34 |
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| TheBootroo_home | stephg: how do i post on it? | 16:36 |
| stephg | write to developer-care@jolla.com? | 16:37 |
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| TheBootroo_home | oh | 16:37 |
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| zmo | is there a way to install skype apk? | 17:00 |
| zmo | everything makes me go through the google play, which does not let me get the apk :-/ | 17:01 |
| zmo | (and I need skype because people I'm working with force me to do it) | 17:01 |
| zmo | s/do/use/ | 17:01 |
| Mnsu | is it not on yandex store? you could try installing some other android store then | 17:02 |
| kehnoo | quit your job, problem solved | 17:02 |
| Nightmare__ | i downloaded all my .apk on a android tablet and copied them on to the jolla | 17:03 |
| zmo | kehnoo - I sent my resume to the jolla, never got contacted back :-) | 17:03 |
| zmo | jolla team* | 17:03 |
| zmo | oh, actually I had one mail saying they were looking at it | 17:04 |
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| louisdk | It it possible to select which app to open a file from Transfer with? Downloaded a .myapp-file that I need to open with Aptiode. | 17:06 |
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| ggabriel | so next week is the mwc, right? | 17:08 |
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| louisdk | Does it consume extra power if I enable dev mode? | 17:40 |
| Yaniel | maybe a bit | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | but I'd say it is marginal | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | (running sshd) | 17:41 |
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| louisdk | Yaniel: Okay. Thanks :) | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | of course you can start a terminal and run something in it that uses a lot of power but by itself dev mode does not do much | 17:45 |
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| kimmoli | Enable the "advanced developer mode" ... https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IzrCxRbl_E4/Uv5lJ4939uI/AAAAAAAAGpU/FLTW6RF3Qdw/w1488-h839-no/20140214_003.jpg | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | pfft, advanced developer mode is for the person who finds the UART first ;) | 18:07 |
| kimmoli | dont challenge | 18:08 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Damn you. I'm not really tempted to peek under that sticker which is behind the battery :D | 18:12 |
| sharpneli | *now | 18:12 |
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| mikma | sharpneli: well there are pictures in talk.maemo.org so you don't have to | 18:13 |
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| kimmoli | for some unexplainable reason, i have still kept my jolla in one piece, or is it two pieces | 18:14 |
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| FireFly | kimmoli: neat | 18:22 |
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| rcg | evening | 18:23 |
| rcg | is there a way to manipulate the global volume programmaticly= | 18:24 |
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| rcg | *=? | 18:24 |
| mikma | is there aumix | 18:25 |
| rcg | nope | 18:29 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, does anyone know how the NFC UID process is set up, for ambiences? | 18:29 |
| wickwire | Do I submit an ambience to the jolla store as a normal app? | 18:30 |
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| rcg | well, /dev/input/by-path/platform-gpio-keys-event reports the volume button key events, at least | 18:33 |
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| flux | rcg, checked pulseaudio tools/apis and qt ones? | 18:33 |
| rcg | flux, i hoped for a little bit easier access | 18:34 |
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| rcg | so far i checked qtmultimedia | 18:34 |
| rcg | and the pactl output | 18:34 |
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| rcg | unfortunately, pactl list | grep -i -A 5 -B 5 vol doesn't give any hint | 18:36 |
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| p2-mate | before I try, does the jolla phone support sim hotswap? | 18:57 |
| lpotter | it might work, but that is not supported | 18:57 |
| p2-mate | ok :) | 18:58 |
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| pahartik | p2-mate: It worked for me, had to swap SIMs several times between "Jolla Mobile" and "Nokia N900" before getting things set up | 19:00 |
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| p2-mate | oh ok :) | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | "SIM-card" | 19:01 |
| louisdk | If I have a pre reservation 50€ discount is it then legal to pass it on to somebody else? | 19:02 |
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| p2-mate | is there any sip support? | 19:08 |
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| Anz_ | no sip and no native skype support. still sticking with N900 for this reason | 19:14 |
| p2-mate | I see... | 19:15 |
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| Anz_ | well download any android app for voip. it's not the same. but should work | 19:17 |
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| svuorela | p2-mate: phone wants to be restarted if I remove and add the sim card | 19:18 |
| svuorela | p2-mate: but you should totally get one anyways | 19:19 |
| p2-mate | svuorela: I have one :) | 19:19 |
| svuorela | p2-mate: you should get one more :P | 19:19 |
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| svuorela | p2-mate: then we can be phone buddies :P | 19:21 |
| p2-mate | svuorela: you have 2? | 19:21 |
| svuorela | nope | 19:21 |
| tbr | pfff people still didn't get SIP working? it's all there... | 19:22 |
| p2-mate | svuorela: ah, so that's why you want me to buy one more :) | 19:22 |
| svuorela | exactly | 19:23 |
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| edgars | my jolla is rebooting on every call :/ | 19:32 |
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| p2-mate | grrr :P why does maps think I want miles and yards if select language english :P | 19:50 |
| Raim | p2-mate: yes, that's clearly missing a setting. see here for a workaround, http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 19:53 |
| p2-mate | one WAR is to select finnish as the language :) | 19:53 |
| p2-mate | but... :) | 19:53 |
| Venemo | p2-mate: same reason I can't set it to my preferred date format | 19:54 |
| p2-mate | :) | 19:55 |
| kimmoli | offtopic: http://t.co/rAyzcev2s4 what is wrong with the event title ??? | 19:55 |
| Goldfrapper | fix only seems to work for total length of route, not directions | 19:56 |
| p2-mate | N9 maps even allows you to select a different language for the voice guides than the UI language | 19:56 |
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| svuorela | p2-mate: we want marble on the jolla phone!!111 | 19:57 |
| Goldfrapper | +1 for marble on jolla | 19:57 |
| p2-mate | android doesn't, and worse android maps tries to pronounce streetnames, guess how well that works in finland with a phone configured in english... | 19:57 |
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| svuorela | p2-mate: that's probably fun to hear | 19:58 |
| p2-mate | marble seems good yes :) is anyone working on a jolla port? :) | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Don't want Marble anywhere. It is an atrocious memory hog | 20:01 |
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| Waitee | öitä :D | 20:08 |
| Waitee | shieet wrong channel | 20:08 |
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| svuorela | p2-mate: someone at canonical was porting it to qt5. I don't know where it currently is | 20:11 |
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| Venemo | wat is marbe, anyway? | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: http://marble.kde.org/ | 20:19 |
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| Amy30 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:20 |
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| Yaniel | how is that not k-lined yet | 20:20 |
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| Stskeeps | sorry amy's of the world.. | 20:21 |
| RST38h | OMG you have killed Amy! | 20:21 |
| Eztran | Well, people named Abby have already been hit. | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | And Abby too! | 20:22 |
| Eztran | Wonder how many other girls' names beginning with A they'll think of? | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Next: Anne | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | Ashley | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Audrey | 20:22 |
| Eztran | Stop giving them ideas! Wait, they're offline, NVM. | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | Alice, Ann, Agatha | 20:22 |
| RST38h | in alphabetical order | 20:22 |
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| FireFly | So okay | 20:30 |
| FireFly | You're saying we assume Alice wants to send pictures securely to Bob? | 20:31 |
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| Yaniel | who else? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | beer bet: what's the next name of the spam bot | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:31 |
| leinir | Hehe... the humble bundle app works well... as does at least super hexagon ;) | 20:32 |
| stephg | do either Alice, Bob or Eve work for the NSA? | 20:32 |
| Yaniel | isn't the third one Charlie? | 20:33 |
| stephg | could be, I do remember Eve also | 20:33 |
| stephg | hey, they all want to listen! | 20:33 |
| Yaniel | but we are still missing the D | 20:33 |
| FireFly | Eve is the eavesdropper I think | 20:34 |
| FireFly | they're all acronyms, except A & B | 20:35 |
| FireFly | abbreviations* | 20:35 |
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| r2d2__ | hey there, im in trouble. i try to deploy my app via qtcreator to jolla. if i dont use any SailfishApp:: functions the deployment works well, i can start the app but it ends in a white screen. the console gives me the error that QtQuick.Controles are not found. if i try to use the SailfishApp:: functions i get a "SailfishApp::" | 21:16 |
| r2d2__ | hm | 21:17 |
| r2d2__ | .../src/main.cpp:178: undefined reference to `SailfishApp::application(int&, char**)' | 21:17 |
| r2d2__ | QGuiApplication * app = SailfishApp::application(argc, argv); | 21:18 |
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| salami` | controles? | 21:19 |
| salami` | controls? | 21:19 |
| r2d2__ | [dbg] main.qml: 21 qrc:///qml/main.qml:21:1: module "QtQuick.Controls" is not installed | 21:20 |
| r2d2__ | this is the output from my programm if i start the appvia ssh user nemo | 21:21 |
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| Judy23 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:03 |
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| Yaniel | daaamn, wrong | 22:04 |
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| clau | :)) | 22:07 |
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| JUJames | ok that was odd for this group :o | 22:11 |
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| p2-mate | does audio work in the android emulator? | 22:54 |
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| CvP | lile music play? | 23:04 |
| CvP | like | 23:04 |
| AlmAck | p2-mate: yes sure, you can play games inside the andoid emulator | 23:04 |
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| p2-mate | CvP: making music or alarms. | 23:07 |
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| p2-mate | or is there some separate volume setting for android apps I'm missing? | 23:08 |
| CvP | p2-mate, witch app? | 23:08 |
| p2-mate | sonorox | 23:09 |
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| p2-mate | or sleepbot | 23:10 |
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| p2-mate | I didn't try sleepbot on a real android device, but sonorox does work and make noise on my chinese android phone | 23:10 |
| p2-mate | neither of them made any noise on jolla | 23:11 |
| CvP | do you have a dl link to sonorox? | 23:12 |
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| p2-mate | no. I got it from f-droid | 23:14 |
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| p2-mate | gn | 23:14 |
| CvP | gn | 23:15 |
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