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| M4rtinK | there is a nice one with dogs from Mizmo: http://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide | 00:06 |
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| M4rtinK | kinda illustrates the usecase for which selinux would be handy | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | one dog (messaging daemon) needs to know plaintext passwords, but you don't want the other dog (random other app) to eat the plaintext password db | 00:09 |
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| Grauwolf | is there some kind of mailinglist or blog to follow to be up-to-date on sailfish? | 00:12 |
| stephg | official channels are the website, @JollaHQ on twitter and together.jolla.com | 00:13 |
| stephg | beyond that there's a handful of sites that are 'on it' as is here and #sailfishos | 00:13 |
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| stephg | jollatides.com, jollausers.com, reviewjolla.blogspot.fi from the community | 00:14 |
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| Grauwolf | thanks | 00:15 |
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| RST38x | ...achieve lift by running at high speeds while hyperventilating, a process which seems to pump air into the reticulum. The throat gland is then contracted and the gas bladders opened, which triggers combustion and the rapid release of exhaust gasses through the anus. Once sufficient thrust has been achieved, the animal will cease hyperventilating and distend its jaw, using intake air to fuel the reaction. | 05:08 |
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| mikhas | SpOn loves you: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadgets/sailfish-os-angeblich-demnaechst-auf-alten-samsung-handys-a-953215.html | 08:50 |
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| clau2 | https://together.jolla.com/question/24052/flickering-while-peeking/ | 10:12 |
| clau2 | very annoying at times. | 10:12 |
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| mcfrisk | clau2: glad I'm not the only one seeing that, I get it all the time. | 10:20 |
| artemma | WooHoo! Three weeks after submission Quick Launcher update actually got published! You can start Browser too now and things are a little faster in general! Thanks to everybody who was kind to push harbour folks many times during these weeks. It worked eventually! | 10:21 |
| clau2 | I think it's just since 1.0.3.8. I don't recall seeing it before. | 10:21 |
| clau2 | nice work artemma :) | 10:21 |
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| Nicd- | artemma: do you see downloads and likes in harbour? | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | I just see 0 for all stats | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | for your own apps I mean | 10:22 |
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| gena2x | flickering it's easy to reproduce. Launch clock, swipe right-to-left to go to h/screen. | 10:24 |
| mcfrisk | clau2: yes, it's a new (performance?) regression in 1.0.3.8. | 10:25 |
| gena2x | If you reactivate clock it will be all right. | 10:25 |
| gena2x | i.e. problem seem reproducebly happens on the first swipe | 10:25 |
| artemma | Nicd-: nope the zero numbers are all fake, some people tell that none-zero numbers are fake too, but I think jjaone just wants to defent jolla ppl for some reason https://together.jolla.com/question/19349/why-so-few-submitted-apps-make-it-to-app-store/#comment-26899 | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | ok, good to know | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | I'll just check the store for the numbers | 10:26 |
| clau2 | I see the flickering everywhere, including in the lock screen. | 10:29 |
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| tachikoma | my second jolla game - design done by my 4 year old daughter ;) | 10:39 |
| tachikoma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce_i91vBRNc | 10:39 |
| tachikoma | and yes - the recording is fucked ... | 10:39 |
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| headhunter | Hello! Does anyone know up-to-date version of the command to enable LTE on Jolla phones? | 10:43 |
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| Nicd- | please don't enable LTE yet as it is not officially supported | 10:45 |
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| Nicd- | I've heard it might result in the device being banned from networks if it's not certified yet and the LTE implementation has bugs. someone more knowledgeable should comment on this though | 10:47 |
| tachikoma | lol, that sounds awesome | 10:47 |
| tbr | well network operators can be a bitch | 10:47 |
| tbr | they don't like if someone screws up their network | 10:47 |
| tachikoma | isn't lte handled in the baseband and then just controlled from the host os? | 10:48 |
| tbr | do we know that the baseband firmware is OK and doesn't need an update? | 10:49 |
| tachikoma | no, we don't but then all of these socs would need one, right? | 10:49 |
| tbr | other devices, other baseband firmware | 10:49 |
| tbr | comes with the OS / OS upgrade | 10:50 |
| tachikoma | so other phons also would be affecte. still could be possible, than all of those mobiles would have lte support but diabled | 10:50 |
| tbr | nope | 10:50 |
| tachikoma | tbr: ah, ok - thought that provided by the soc producer | 10:50 |
| tbr | it is, but it is _shipped_ by the device manufacturer as part of the firmware/os | 10:50 |
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| headhunter | okok | 10:51 |
| tachikoma | and each phone manufaturer gets his own? i see | 10:51 |
| headhunter | I am not afraid of operators banning me | 10:51 |
| tachikoma | lol | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | headhunter: the problem is they might ban other Jolla users too | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | and it might result in trouble for Jolla | 10:51 |
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| headhunter | oh... that would be sad indeed | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | that's what I've heard at least | 10:51 |
| headhunter | Anyway the reason i'm asking is because I've seen a bunch of apps to do that but they do not seem to actually have any effect | 10:52 |
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| headhunter | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/lte-4g-seen-on-jolla-smartphone.html | 10:52 |
| headhunter | you can find the original post here | 10:52 |
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| tachikoma | tbh - up to now umts speed is completely stisfactoy for me | 10:52 |
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| headhunter | also some folks made a pair of apps 3g and 4g switch | 10:53 |
| headhunter | to call that for ppl that have no idea what dbus is | 10:53 |
| tachikoma | i can watch yoputube, i can download big files, it s stable, so - no real need for tle yet | 10:53 |
| headhunter | what if by some odd chance you are going to MWC and the only network there is LTE? | 10:53 |
| headhunter | you would love to showcase your app on jolla, but we know for fact that they ain't gonna have any 3G there | 10:54 |
| headhunter | or 2g | 10:54 |
| headhunter | only LTE | 10:54 |
| headhunter | =( | 10:54 |
| headhunter | at least for demo teams it is so | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | wifi? | 10:54 |
| headhunter | meh - we are showing vertical handover between cellular & wifi => need both | 10:54 |
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| headhunter | anyway, thanks for help - gtg now, be back in ~60 min | 10:56 |
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| jubo2 | I'm viewing emails | 11:33 |
| jubo2 | in the syndicated all inboxes | 11:33 |
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| jubo2 | when I've viewed an email I either swipe right or hit the left-upper corner button | 11:34 |
| jubo2 | and the email disappears from the list | 11:34 |
| jubo2 | instead of the light indicating (not read) turning off | 11:34 |
| jubo2 | what's going on? | 11:34 |
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| jubo2 | Sovietskoe rozovoe is made in EU. Jolla is made in China | 11:49 |
| jubo2 | It's 2014 | 11:50 |
| jubo2 | and why is my Jolla email interface UI removing emails once I've read them | 11:50 |
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| jubo2 | I haven't seen virtual folders, read messages nor non-read messages | 11:51 |
| tachikoma | havent't seen that problem here yet | 11:51 |
| jubo2 | the messages are gone from the other email program on another machine | 11:52 |
| jubo2 | is this the system's way of telling me it hates me: "Your phone deletes urr emails. suffer and die." | 11:53 |
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| jubo2 | Warning: Using the UI to view your emails deletes the emails after you've viewed them and doesn't save them in the "deleted items" folder either. Have a Jolla day. | 11:54 |
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| headhunter | well this may have to do with the way your server deals with email | 11:56 |
| headhunter | are you using IMAP or POP3? | 11:56 |
| jubo2 | IMAP | 11:56 |
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| jubo2 | over SSL or TLS ( don't remember which ) | 11:57 |
| jubo2 | I have to take some of that back | 11:57 |
| jubo2 | the emails are still there when viewing on another machine's email program | 11:57 |
| jubo2 | but why does it remove them from the syndicated email inboxes view..? There is clearly a virtual led burning on unread messages, which should just go off | 11:58 |
| stephg | The inboxes are just unread email | 12:02 |
| stephg | The inboxes view I mean on front page | 12:03 |
| jubo2 | stephg: aha. I see. thanks stephg | 12:03 |
| jubo2 | now there should be a way put certain emails away without needing to view | 12:03 |
| jubo2 | are there rules for sorting the inboxes available? | 12:04 |
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| jubo2 | like I don't want to view most of the stuff I get in my private box but would like to keep up-to-date on school box | 12:04 |
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| jubo2 | I'd like to not to see any marketing related emails | 12:06 |
| jubo2 | even if I sometimes follow from headlines what's on sale now | 12:07 |
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| jubo2 | I know some programs can sort email based on rules | 12:10 |
| jubo2 | It'd be nice to have all the emails you know are just marketing put somewhere away to keep the syndicated "unread in inboxes" clean | 12:11 |
| jubo2 | "Marketing communications and offers" would be the obvious name for the email box | 12:12 |
| jubo2 | that or "solicited spam" | 12:13 |
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| Nokius1 | Some one from HK interested in an #Jolla Handsone next week? if yes ping me | 12:35 |
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| VDVsx | Nokius1, what's that ? :) there are some Jolla people based in HK | 12:40 |
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| tachikoma | ups | 12:41 |
| tachikoma | HK = hongkong? | 12:41 |
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| jubo2 | The sent emails draft folder needs implementation urgently | 12:41 |
| Nokius1 | I konw | 12:41 |
| jubo2 | no.. not sent emails. but draft sms folder | 12:41 |
| jubo2 | everytime exiting sms composition without sending or explicitly saying that you don't wish a draft be saved | 12:42 |
| Nokius1 | It just an offer to guys in HK to see and touch a jolla in real they cant buy one so may some on like to see a device before ordering one ? | 12:42 |
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| Nokius1 | VDVsx: I have no clue if the Jolla employes show there awsome work to the local community in HK | 12:43 |
| jubo2 | another thing is why break the "navigate in" => left and "navigate out => right swiping system | 12:44 |
| jubo2 | that's making the UI less intuitive | 12:44 |
| jubo2 | I mean if I when trying accidentally swipe left or right from compose sms view I lose it | 12:44 |
| jubo2 | I can't just swipe in the opposition direction to get back to my draft ? | 12:45 |
| jubo2 | wtf-momemnt | 12:45 |
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| tachikoma | jubo2: i assume you filed bugs for all your issues on together.jolla.com, right? Listing them here is not going to change much i fear. | 12:46 |
| jubo2 | tachikoma: you are quite right | 12:46 |
| jubo2 | except I haven't filed them with TJC | 12:47 |
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| jubo2 | I still thinks this UI is a gigaload of "Look mom! No buttons!!" | 12:47 |
| VDVsx | Nokius1, so you have a device to show or are you looking for someone in HK that has a device ? | 12:48 |
| sharpneli | I kinda agree | 12:48 |
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| jubo2 | So AAPL OS == 1 button, MSFT OS == 3 buttons and JLLA OS == Look mom! No buttons!! | 12:48 |
| jubo2 | P-; | 12:49 |
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| clau | I'm getting fake updates in Store again. :| | 13:29 |
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| Waitee | clau: if you've downloaded newer versions of the apps than those available in the store, the store just thinks "hey you're running a different version, mine is official newest! Update your apps!" | 13:32 |
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| clau | I use the app from Store, and the alternative repo from openrepos is disabled. | 13:33 |
| clau | more so, pkcon get-updates does not show it. | 13:33 |
| __pv | i'm getting fake update from store for quick launcher (also, never used openrepos etc) | 13:34 |
| clau | although I have two Here related apps waiting there for a couple of weeks, and nobody from jolla says anything about them. | 13:34 |
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| clau | yes, I had to uninstall quick launcher. it became to annoying. | 13:35 |
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| clau | regarding Here, I meant packages, not appps. | 13:35 |
| clau | they come from repo adaption1, which is jolla. | 13:36 |
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| Pnuu | jubo2: stfu already | 14:09 |
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| jubo2 | Pnuu: ldd | 14:12 |
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| radekp | could it be that jolla in 2G eats much less power then in 3G? | 15:34 |
| dschoepe | radekp: It should definitely be less, not sure about "much" | 15:36 |
| Eztran | 2G is usually lower-power. How 'much' less, no idea. | 15:36 |
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| mcfrisk | 2g less power on idle | 15:37 |
| radekp | i have to measure it a few times more - at home i have just 2G and it looks that overnight it eats in idle 5mA | 15:37 |
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| radekp | which could be ~400h standby | 15:38 |
| radekp | but at work with 3G the battery goes down much faster, tho i dont have exact numbers yet... | 15:38 |
| Eztran | 5mA is very low, certainly. Surely you use it more at work than overnight, though? | 15:39 |
| radekp | Eztran: yup i never resisted to not touch the phone at work :) | 15:40 |
| Eztran | Congrats :) | 15:40 |
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| Eztran | Also, if it's reached the point where mobile data is enough of the power consumption that 2G/3G makes a big difference... it says a lot about the rest of the consumption. | 15:41 |
| Eztran | 5mA is crazy low compared to Android-phone-of-the-week, last I saw anything on it. | 15:42 |
| Mnsu | how do you measure the consumption on a Jolla? | 15:43 |
| radekp | Mnsu: reading charge_now and time interval with simple formula - i did also app for it https://openrepos.net/content/radekp/battery-monitor | 15:44 |
| Mnsu | radekp: thanks | 15:45 |
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| Yaniel | a wild randomshutdown appears! | 16:00 |
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| vatte | I'm back using n900 now | 16:02 |
| vatte | Jolla went to service today... 1-2 weeks they said | 16:02 |
| vatte | hopefully they actually do something to it :D | 16:03 |
| ko__ | i just use my n900 for irc on wlan | 16:03 |
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| vatte | feels good to have the keyboard again | 16:04 |
| vatte | and multitasking different sms/google/whatsapp convos is a great feature | 16:05 |
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| Gena2x|fish | irc client seems fine :) | 16:48 |
| chem|st | who does ever send contacts via MMS? | 16:49 |
| Gena2x|fish | Question - do anyone know how to use bluetooth headset to play music with jolla - phone calls are fine. wish to use my car audio as speakers | 16:51 |
| tbr | the jolla supports a2dp, so you should be able to just do that | 16:52 |
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| Gena2x|fish | car is paired but if i try to play something for example video, i hear no sound... | 16:57 |
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| Gena2x|fish | i figured out - this is my car problem. | 17:02 |
| tbr | try to get an firmware update for your car ;) | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | Gena2x|fish: wfm on Audi MMI 3350 | 17:08 |
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| Gena2x|fish | good news. my audi without mmi | 17:09 |
| chem|st | now I know who wants to send MMS... stupid android and iphone started to deny SMS vcards... how stupid is that? | 17:09 |
| Gena2x|fish | but with ami | 17:10 |
| chem|st | does work now or does not yet? | 17:10 |
| Gena2x|fish | nope. there is something weird and car-specufic | 17:11 |
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| chem|st | the only thing I had is that it complained about no space left to download my contacts after it was connected and actually already has my contacts | 17:11 |
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| chem|st | Gena2x|fish: maybe resetting your ami's BT settings helps | 17:12 |
| chem|st | I have no clue what could stop that thing from telling me about the phonebook each time it connects | 17:12 |
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| louisdk | Really a negative review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GnTvZrKbkQ | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | you can't satisfy everybody, to be honest | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | considering the whole story and well, development length of the product, what -has- been done is really impressive | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | but, despite some flaws, many genuinely like the device | 19:11 |
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| louisdk | What about the screen. Is it really that bad, also with showing a clean dark colour? Is the camera that bad? And does the speaker makes crackle at max volume? :) | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | louisdk: well, i can only say to try one out and decide if it suits you | 19:28 |
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| xth | And, btw, what about the ambient light sensor? I've only used Sailfish on N9, so I wonder if it is so? | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there's one | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | The camera has generally impressed me | 20:17 |
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| ShadowJK | Though video recording audio quality is kinda poor | 20:17 |
| kehnoo | I was slightly dissapointed | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | I think the audio encoder is kinda poor, or then it's just not configured for enough bitrate :) | 20:18 |
| kehnoo | but I think it was the early versions and blue-ish tint that ruined the experience, haven't used the camera lately :p | 20:19 |
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| attah | Good evening | 20:22 |
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| louisdk | ShadowJK: Let's hope it get fixed with a software update :) | 20:35 |
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| louisdk | Have anyone got a nice case for their Jolla? :) | 21:31 |
| * tbr has a belt thingy, seems to have been intended for nx4, fits perfectly | 21:32 | |
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| louisdk | tbr: ebay link? :) | 21:34 |
| chem|st | louisdk: I have a nice toh! | 21:34 |
| chem|st | kehnoo: picture wise it has been improved and further improvements are in the pipes | 21:35 |
| tbr | louisdk: don't have one | 21:36 |
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| louisdk | chem|st: Which one? :) | 21:38 |
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