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| nander | Hmm, my phone just entered a bootloop | 06:02 |
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| nander | Removing the battery and putting it back didn't solve it | 06:03 |
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| Stskeeps | 1.0.3.8? | 06:03 |
| nander | affirmative | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | use recovery mode and btrfs recovery | 06:03 |
| nander | any tutorials available? | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | see release notes for 1.0.2.5 and 1.0.3.8 on together.jolla.com | 06:04 |
| nander | Is the search function bad on together? | 06:07 |
| nander | "1.0.3.8 notes" gives no results | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/21786/release-notes-software-version-1038-naamankajarvi/ | 06:09 |
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| nander | I can only find a statement that recovery was added, not how it should be used | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-version-1025-maadajavri/ | 06:13 |
| Stskeeps | click details | 06:14 |
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| nander | Ah, I thought it was volume button up.. | 06:17 |
| slate | Some app keeps draining my idle-battery again | 06:19 |
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| slate | Back to meego for a while and reinstall Jolla completely.. | 06:20 |
| slate | Anyone happen to have spare n950 displays ? I could buy one. | 06:20 |
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| ko__ | does anyone know whatma rapidly blinking red light means? | 06:35 |
| ko__ | i just had that happen while using my phone | 06:35 |
| ko__ | it became unresponsive, and no swipes did anything. the screen went black and i just got a fast blinking red light | 06:36 |
| ko__ | pushing the power button made the blinking stop and the screen turned on on the second press | 06:36 |
| slate | No. Got that since 1.0.3.8. Does no harm so just waiting for next update.. | 06:40 |
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| ko__ | okey | 06:46 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, is there a way to view app comments and reply, without using the jollamobile store app? The harbour website doesn't to work yet | 09:25 |
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| mtd | slate: I'd love a spare n950 display too, if you finda source | 10:32 |
| mtd | anybody know how to read the jolla accelerometer data from the command line / python? | 10:33 |
| slate | mtd: cracked or dead pixels? | 10:36 |
| mtd | slate: leaking | 10:37 |
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| slate | I just massaged 50% of my dead spots away with my thumd.. | 10:37 |
| slate | thumb | 10:37 |
| mtd | slate: yeah, that worked for me once. But now it's happened in different places, and it won't respond to that treatment :( | 10:38 |
| slate | had pixel fix video running from youtube while doing it | 10:38 |
| slate | okey | 10:38 |
| mtd | slate: interesting -- I guess always worth another try, but it's been progressively getting worse, so I'm not hopeful :( | 10:39 |
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| mtd | slate: someone said the e7 screen could be used as a replacement, but evidently not: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84720&page=6 | 10:40 |
| slate | Im thinking to diassemble the device to get a proper rub. will report back when done :) | 10:40 |
| slate | e7 is oled | 10:40 |
| slate | this is lcd | 10:40 |
| Yaniel | damn, managed to brick my router | 10:40 |
| mtd | slate: good luck! | 10:41 |
| slate | Tried to get a spare from internal sources also but no go ;) | 10:41 |
| mtd | slate: good to know -- I had hoped there were some, somewhere :(. I wonder if they're still even made. | 10:44 |
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| Yaniel | jolla.com feedback: the specs don't say what sort of microsd is supported | 11:25 |
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| cvp | hello | 11:41 |
| Yaniel | hi | 11:42 |
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| cvp | have someone there cant update his Jolla phone, his OS Version is 1.0.0.5, and if there want update than the phon tell him, that is no update aviable. What can he do ? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | cvp: factory reset and never ever touch developer updates | 11:44 |
| Yaniel | remember to log in with jolla account | 11:45 |
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| cvp | Stskeeps: thanks... i really dont know what he have do with his phone. but i give him the informations, we will se what happend :) | 12:50 |
| louisdk | The N9 and Jolla is the first devices I buy because of the preloaded software. Normally I buy devices and hardware based on how much I can hack them to fit my needs and the most Android phones you can flash with custom versions of Android. That said, it's not because Samsung/HTC/LG etc. is very open source friendly but because these devices are very popular. | 12:50 |
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| stephg | quick question:the preferred CM is 10.1 or 10.2 | 13:16 |
| stephg | I've forgotten | 13:16 |
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| ar | hi | 13:37 |
| ar | jolla should be visible as a usbnet device when plugged in? | 13:37 |
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| stephg | ar you need to enable developermode to do that | 13:40 |
| ar | stephg: ttttttt\y6r45t | 13:41 |
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| ar | (whoops, cat on keyboard) | 13:41 |
| stephg | :) | 13:41 |
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| ar | stephg: and what if i can't do that, because SomethingWentWrong and the phone doesn't display any ui after booting? | 13:41 |
| stephg | aha :) | 13:42 |
| ar | stephg: i can get to notifications screen, but that's all | 13:42 |
| stephg | did you have developer mode enabled? i.e. is the ssh daemon running and you might be able to talk to it over wifi? | 13:42 |
| ar | no | 13:43 |
| stephg | and you can't swipe out of notifications? | 13:43 |
| stephg | and if you reboot what interface does the phone go to on boot? | 13:43 |
| ar | stephg: a blank screen | 13:44 |
| stephg | but swipe up works? | 13:44 |
| stephg | (to get to notifications I mean) | 13:44 |
| ar | yes, but it doesn't stay - it blanks out | 13:45 |
| ar | and i can't click anything from there | 13:45 |
| ar | (there's a system update notification) | 13:45 |
| stephg | which version are you on at the moment? | 13:46 |
| ar | possibly some early one, as it tells me to update to 1.0.2.5 | 13:46 |
| stephg | you may be able to do something from fastboot | 13:47 |
| stephg | but I'm afraid I don't know | 13:47 |
| stephg | you'll need a sailor to help | 13:47 |
| stephg | what happens if you try and update? | 13:47 |
| stephg | (also what did you do to break it?) | 13:47 |
| ar | well, i just got it like that from a friend of mine, because he broke it | 13:48 |
| ar | i'd love to try to update it, but it doesn't let me click the update | 13:48 |
| stephg | any idea what he did? | 13:48 |
| ar | well, it looks like it actually registers the click (the bar/icon highlights) but doesn't launch anything | 13:49 |
| Yaniel | fastboot and factory reset should be a pretty safe guess I think | 13:49 |
| ar | not really, no | 13:49 |
| stephg | Yaniel, can you do a reset from fastboot? I don't know I've never done it? | 13:49 |
| Yaniel | I checked out the fastboot menu the other day just for the heck of it and it had a factory reset option | 13:50 |
| stephg | well that's the fix then yeah | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | anyway just booting it and looking around is not going to break anything :) | 13:50 |
| ar | how do you enter fastboot mode on jolla? | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | oh right, 1.0.2.5 might not have all the options | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | boot with volume down pressed | 13:51 |
| stephg | Yaniel, that thought had occurred to me | 13:52 |
| ar | and usb cable connected? | 13:52 |
| stephg | a factory reset nukes all the updates anyway right? | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | I connected usb after that | 13:52 |
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| Yaniel | yeah | 13:52 |
| stephg | so you'd hope | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | well it restores a btrfs snapshot | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | and I haven't heard of any update changing that one | 13:52 |
| stephg | ar: https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-instructions-to-recover-and-reset-device-thats-stuck/ | 13:54 |
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| ar | stephg: thanks, that worked | 14:02 |
| stephg | great | 14:02 |
| Yaniel | up and running again? | 14:02 |
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| ar | yeah. back to "pick your language" and stuff like that on boot | 14:03 |
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| stephg | thx Yaniel | 14:03 |
| ar | but it works | 14:03 |
| Yaniel | well that is factory reset | 14:04 |
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| Ariadeno | Do you any of you guys happen to know if Jolla would let the Android compatibility layer rewrite in the future to keep up with the new ART VM? | 15:28 |
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| stephg | Ariadeno the android run-time is by a third party (Myriad) | 17:10 |
| stephg | they might do | 17:10 |
| stephg | who knows | 17:10 |
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| mtd | anybody know how to get QtCreator from Sailfish OS SDK to know about QtSensors C++ classes like QAccelerometerFilter ( http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtsensors/qaccelerometerfilter.html )? | 17:38 |
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| mtd | ...I can import QtSensors fine from QML, but I want to implement a C++ subclass of QAccelerometerFilter. | 17:39 |
| mtd | #include <QAccelerometerFilter> | 17:39 |
| mtd | ...isn't found :( | 17:39 |
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| Elleo | mtd: do you have qt5-qtsensors-devel installed? | 17:44 |
| Elleo | that'd be my guess | 17:45 |
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| mtd | Elleo: thanks, installing it. For some reason I thought the SDK didn't use the native packages. | 17:49 |
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| mtd | Ah, I was right, and you assumed I knew more than I did. http://flyingsheeponsailfish.blogspot.ch/2013/11/deploying-additional-packages-to.html is sorting me out. Thanks again for the prod. | 17:51 |
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| Elleo | mtd: you need to install it via the control center | 18:03 |
| Elleo | not on your host machine | 18:03 |
| Elleo | if you're using the sdk just go in to the sailfish control center panel | 18:04 |
| Elleo | form there you can select the packages to install | 18:04 |
| Elleo | (of course you can do it via the command line if you want, but it's probably quick to just use the graphical tools and then you don't get out of sync) | 18:06 |
| mtd | Elleo: thanks, got it. That blog post cleared things up; I wasn't familiar with the SDK vm + scratchbox. | 18:06 |
| mtd | Elleo: Thanks again for the pointer. | 18:06 |
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| Elleo | no worries | 18:07 |
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| mtd | ugh, getting 'cannot delete non-empty directory: usr/bin' from sailfish control center panel's target sync | 18:41 |
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| Venemo | hey | 19:00 |
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| mtd | Elleo: aha, after installing qt5-qtsensors-devel, I still had to add PKG_CONFIG += Qt5Sensors to the qtcreator .pro file. | 19:13 |
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| Nekron_ | mtd: good blog link.. i needed also some time to figure out how to install python3 and pyotherside on the emu vm | 19:28 |
| Nekron_ | but now it works and i can hack around | 19:29 |
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| Nekron_ | btw this is an excellent way of prototyping things | 19:29 |
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| Nekron_ | mix qml with python anf c++ | 19:30 |
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| Nekron_ | kudos to thp for this :) | 19:30 |
| mtd | Nekron_: love python3 / pyotherside -- would love to see more good examples of people using it | 19:33 |
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| mtd | Nekron_: it is an excellent way of prototyping and even writing full apps | 19:33 |
| Nekron_ | yep full ack | 19:34 |
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| Nekron_ | i am toying around with it while commuting in the train... love it | 19:35 |
| mtd | Nekron_: been doing exactly that since N900 days :) | 19:36 |
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| Nekron_ | mtd: +1 | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: https://together.jolla.com/question/27754/idea-make-jolla-accessible-for-blind-people/ - awesome idea | 19:49 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps quick question: which was the preferred CM version? 10.1 or 10.2 | 20:06 |
| walokra | has #jollasuomi been silent for a day? or is it just me? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: 10.1 | 20:07 |
| stephg | thx Stskeeps, couldn't remember | 20:07 |
| AJAX555 | walokra: is #jollasuomi on this same network? | 20:08 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: interesting proposal, but I think there're more pressing concerns at the moment :) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: of course, there's always pressing concerns :) | 20:10 |
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| walokra | AJAX555: yeah, on freenode | 20:10 |
| walokra | it's just a bit uncommon a channel to be silent for days :) | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i don't claim there's no pressing needs for the here and now, but when the here and now are fixed; there has to be a future too to embark on | 20:11 |
| AJAX555 | walokra: okay | 20:11 |
| AJAX555 | might join it someday | 20:12 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: sure, I'm just saying | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: i have my wife poking me about 1.0.3.8 issues too ;) | 20:13 |
| * kimmoli is here - someone invited ? | 20:13 | |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: yeah, i found it odd you weren't really in here :) | 20:13 |
| stephg | lol | 20:13 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: "<irc://freenode/jollamobile> will now open at startup." | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: was about what i brought up in #sailfishos and tried to tab complete your nick in here and wondered why it didn't work ;) | 20:14 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: heh | 20:14 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: well, at least the most annoying ones have been fixed in 1.0.3.8 | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | braille toh ? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, wonder how really difficult it is to a oled hooking up in practice | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | er, different | 20:16 |
| Venemo | ask kimmoli, he's been working on an OLED TOH | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | indeed ;) | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: what's your most nagging issues with the os atm? | 20:17 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: hard to say; I don't have anything new to whine about :P of course, there's the swipe bug, the email client still needs some love and I'd be happy to see a way to scroll through long lists | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | swipe bug is damn annoying, indeed | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:18 |
| Venemo | yeah | 20:18 |
| kimmoli | email client needs a group-hug | 20:18 |
| Venemo | have the guys figured out how to fix it yet? | 20:18 |
| Venemo | I mean, the swipe bug | 20:18 |
| mikma | what's up with the blinking red and green led? | 20:19 |
| Tegu | to me it's the reboot issues | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | mikma: different states of mce/dsme not being able to successfully turn the screen back on, so it goes for what's next in line to communicate it's despair | 20:19 |
| stephg_j_ | email is at least useable now and new features will be great as thet happen | 20:20 |
| mikma | stskeeps: ok, that actually is what happened with the display | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | Tegu: pull battery for 10 minutes | 20:20 |
| stephg_j_ | but the conn loop thing is my bugbear so looking forward to the end of feb if the fix makes it in then | 20:20 |
| mikma | today the whole phone froze up completely while i was in verkkokauppa and notes was open so i could compare id-numbers | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i .. think so, i've been a bit bogged down in MWC shininess so i haven't tracked it closely | 20:20 |
| Tegu | Stskeeps: yea but it comes back. that's what I mean | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | Tegu: :nod: not a permanent fix, just a bandaid | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | stephg_j_: nod | 20:21 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: why 10 min... don't you initialise everything on boot? | 20:21 |
| FireFly | Oh yeah, I forgot about MWC | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: so, one of those things that make you want to pull your battery at night if you're sufficiently paranoid: the device never truly powers completely off, there has to be something listening on the power button and still monitor what is the energy utilized from the battery | 20:23 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I've found a new & interesting bug: sometimes when I'm listening to music, it pauses at the end of one song and doesn't start playing the next. then when I press the powerkey or double-tap, it starts the next song as if nothing had happened | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: as more advanced features aren't really available at that point | 20:23 |
| Aard | Venemo: interesting, that should've been fixed a while ago | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | so making sure you take it out for 10 minutes makes really sure the state is gone and a reset is forced | 20:24 |
| kimmoli | yep. been there done that. (not with jolla, but own stuff) | 20:24 |
| Venemo | Aard: well, I still experience it once or twice every week | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sounds audio resourcey | 20:25 |
| Aard | Venemo: basically problem there is that device goes into deep sleep after the song. while the song plays sleep is prevented, when playback stops it goes to sleep. which means it can't jump to the next song | 20:25 |
| Aard | then when you turn it on again it jumps, and prevents the device from sleeping again | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: the qtmultimedia merge request? | 20:25 |
| Venemo | ah, nice | 20:26 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: originally we had this problem after _each_ song, so I guess there are some situations where things go wrong now | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 20:27 |
| Venemo | Aard: does this mean that the CPU is actually working while I'm playing music? | 20:28 |
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| Aard | Venemo: it's decoding your music files | 20:29 |
| Aard | plus pulse is taking resources | 20:29 |
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| Venemo | shouldn't that be done by a DSP or something? | 20:30 |
| Aard | unless I missed a change we're using the dsp for video de/encoding, but not for audio decoding | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: in practice CPU is more power efficient these days than DSP in many circumstances, for audio decoding | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | felipec did a study at some point | 20:31 |
| Venemo | ah | 20:31 |
| Aard | Venemo: libav codecs are heavily optimized, while the vendor codecs you'd have to take for the dsp usually are less so | 20:32 |
| Venemo | I heard this story in the N9(x0) times, but I wasn't aware that the same thing is true about qualcomm | 20:32 |
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| kimmoli | if you give love to email client, could you add dbus signal "newEmail" too ?? please... dogeyes u_u | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | kimmoli: vdvsx notes together.*, so that's probably best place | 20:40 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: is that the guy behind the email client? | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: is that an axe i see behind your back.. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | in practice i think email was multiple people | 20:42 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: no! at least, I put down the axe when 1.0.3.8 was released | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | i don't really do jolla UI, so :) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | <- happily ignorant | 20:42 |
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| Aard | Venemo: he's the main guy | 20:43 |
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| Aard | he was doing mail on harmattan as well, but after I've used the sailfish client I've forgiven him for that :p | 20:44 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: but you use it on a daily basis, don't you? | 20:45 |
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| Venemo | Aard: why, harmattan email client worked quite well | 20:45 |
| Aard | Venemo: you could'nt do quoting with it, folder support sucked, and some other things I've forgotten | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: i do, but, doesn't mean i follow who works on what particular app | 20:46 |
| Venemo | Aard: it had better folder support than the sailfish one, it synced on schedule, etc | 20:46 |
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| Venemo | sailfish email app doesn't support folders yet properly (it doesn't sync folders automatically, for example) | 20:47 |
| Aard | Venemo: I love the folder access in sailfish by sideswipe. it's the first time I don't curse on a mobile mail client | 20:47 |
| reviewjolla | Hi | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | lo reviewjolla | 20:48 |
| Aard | Venemo: exchange should be already syncing on schedule, and for other stuff we should have a fix now (not really mail clients fault, pretty low in the middleware, and again related to the phone sleeping to deep :)) | 20:48 |
| Aard | we should just do a phone without powermanagement, would save us lot's of trouble | 20:49 |
| kimmoli____ | exchange contacts still issues with me | 20:49 |
| Venemo | Aard: I'd be quite happy if the email client 1) synced folders automatically 2) had a UI to tell it which folders I want synced 3) would display unread emails from folders on the cover | 20:49 |
| Venemo | and also, if it actually synced when it should, that'd be great | 20:49 |
| kimmoli____ | didnt N9 had separate app to select syncd folders? | 20:50 |
| Venemo | Aard: however, all those I can live with! what I really need is a way to scroll through the list of emails | 20:50 |
| Aard | Venemo: drop some of your friends? :p | 20:51 |
| Venemo | Aard: why? | 20:51 |
| Aard | to avoid long lists of emails | 20:51 |
| Venemo | lol | 20:52 |
| Venemo | I don't get many emails from my friends | 20:52 |
| FireFly | wait, your mailbox isn't supposed to be 98% automated mails? | 20:52 |
| Aard | never solve social problems with technology ;) | 20:52 |
| FireFly | if not more.. | 20:52 |
| Venemo | I have lots of emails, but most of them are not from friends | 20:52 |
| stephg_j_ | FireFly: mine is, but I get between 200 and 1000 a day :( | 20:52 |
| Venemo | anyway, I'd love something along the lines of the harmattan quick scroll | 20:53 |
| stephg_j_ | so fast scrolling and search would be nice :) | 20:53 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/1154/no-way-to-quickly-navigate-through-a-long-list/ | 20:53 |
| Venemo | vote pls | 20:53 |
| kimmoli____ | search +1 | 20:53 |
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| kimmoli____ | are the scrolldecorators just decorators? | 20:54 |
| Venemo | yes | 20:54 |
| Nekron_ | voted.. done | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | wow, there's a lot of wifi and connectivity posts on together..* | 20:56 |
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| ShadowJK | "Connection Problem" ... "Connected" ... "connection problem" is more or less on a loop? :D | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | though maybe it just seems that way as it does it every wakeup or so? | 20:58 |
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| reviewjolla | I run into my first connection prblm also | 20:58 |
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| reviewjolla | wlan didn't connect after removing sim | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if the android-sleep stuff makes it unable to hold on to wifi | 20:59 |
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| Venemo | Sage: have you been able to figure out what the blinking red LED meant? :) | 21:00 |
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| FireFly | ShadowJK: I've had that plenty too | 21:02 |
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| M4rtinK | seems to get worse once you hit FUP on mobile connection | 21:02 |
| Venemo | at a time somehow the Jolla was so busy trying to connect and failing to do so and trying again etc... that the only way to 'fix' it was a reboot | 21:04 |
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| FireFly | M4rtinK: FUP? | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | data cap | 21:05 |
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| FireFly | Aha | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | anyway, good night everyone! :) | 21:51 |
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| reviewjolla | gn | 21:55 |
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| Turski | oh shit, random shutdowns are back again | 23:57 |
| Turski | oh, it's in a bootloop now | 23:57 |
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| Turski | (plugging the usb stopped bootloop) | 23:59 |
| Turski | battery is at 55%, is this problem still unsolved? | 23:59 |
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