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| Abby28 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 06:05 |
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| sjtoik | random reboot problem seems to be a battery issue | 07:12 |
| sjtoik | or then it's just another reported false alarm | 07:12 |
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| Sidde | mine have just random shutdowns. Not reboots | 07:15 |
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| Sidde | Often occurs when the phone has been outside in my pocket for i while, or while i am still outside | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery for 10 minutes and see how it fares after that | 07:16 |
| Grauwolf | is there a kind of wishlist of apps that users want to be made? | 07:17 |
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| Abby23 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:05 |
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| Nicd- | can you just ban Abby*!*@*? | 08:09 |
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| flux | I doubt it's being done manually, so it would be to easily avoided | 08:11 |
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| flux | the ip ban suggested on #sailfishos might work better? | 08:11 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm, i hope noone is called Abby will join our channels | 08:12 |
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| tbr | tough luck, no cookies | 08:13 |
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| AL13N_work | the ip was the same in previous spams | 08:13 |
| suy | Is a freenode-wide problem, better fixed there. although I don't see how to block a spammer if is using a botnet for example | 08:13 |
| AL13N_work | except that the ip has been the same so far | 08:13 |
| tbr | I thought they had k-lined that, but maybe it expired | 08:14 |
| suy | yes, but once you block it, they will use another. That's the problem with spam in general | 08:14 |
| suy | They always figure out something | 08:14 |
| AL13N_work | of course | 08:14 |
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| AL13N_work | but do you want to miss some real abby's in the channel? | 08:15 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 08:15 |
| AL13N_work | well, don't ask me, cause i'm married | 08:15 |
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| AL13N_work | this reminds me, i don't think i saw any female in the fosdem roundtable | 08:15 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 08:15 |
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| flux | suy, well, it doesn't need to originate from a botnet, could just as easily originate from some single not-very-technical person from his (her?-)) home computer. | 08:20 |
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| suy | flux: you mean a compromised computer? | 08:21 |
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| flux | no, I mean some person just loads an application for doing this and runs it on his/her come computer | 08:21 |
| Acce | more likely it's dem toolbars | 08:22 |
| Acce | having all kinds of malware in them | 08:22 |
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| ballock | Acce: that's basically a compromised computer | 08:24 |
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| Acce | ballock: well, true | 08:24 |
| slate | which is part o a botnet.. :) | 08:25 |
| slate | of | 08:25 |
| slate | I hate fingerterm keyboard.. | 08:25 |
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| HtheB | i hate you... | 08:32 |
| HtheB | :p | 08:32 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: have you gotten Jolla to work with the TUT email? | 09:15 |
| Acce | Nicd-: I have, the old mail, that is | 09:17 |
| Acce | haven't tried the new exchange stuff yet | 09:17 |
| Nicd- | Acce: I have the new mail but had the same problem with the old mail too, I can't send | 09:17 |
| Nicd- | I'm using the new one with IMAP | 09:17 |
| Nicd- | receiving works fine but sending never does | 09:18 |
| Acce | hmm, did you put "password" to the combobox at the bottom of the email settings? | 09:18 |
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| Acce | to the "Authentication" | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | yes | 09:19 |
| Acce | what about the ports? | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | they are as instructed in POP | 09:20 |
| Acce | hmm.. TLS? | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | when I try to send, it says "updating" for a while and then "Problem with sign-in" | 09:20 |
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| Nicd- | even though I've written and rewritten the password many times | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | Acce: yep | 09:20 |
| Acce | I guess you double checked your credentials already | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | done that, yes | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | I tried exchange too but it didn't work, just had some generic error when trying to create an exchange account | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | it sucks not being able to send email | 09:21 |
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| Acce | well, I have: receive: imap.tut.fi, TLS port 143, and for outgoing I have mail.tut.fi TLS 587, authentication: Password, and it's working :/ | 09:22 |
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| Nicd- | I have the new ones. outlook.office365.com, SSL port 993, sending smtp.office365.com, TLS port 587 | 09:23 |
| Acce | Nicd-: try the ones I have, they'll work for about a year still :D | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | Acce: actually they'll switch you over to the new email system at the end of february | 09:24 |
| Acce | I don't get it why they changed to that office365 crap | 09:24 |
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| Acce | probably got it "free" from MS | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | and you'll lose your email if you don't switch manually before it | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | anyway, sending email didn't work with the old email settings either | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | gmail works fine though | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | I've tried this: http://pro-testing.arabuusimiehet.com/archives/596#t4 | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | but didn't seem to help | 09:25 |
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| Acce | hmm was it that soon.. could be different for me since I just switched from student to employee.. | 09:26 |
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| Yaniel | Nicd-: the office365 one? yes | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | just set up a mfe account | 10:37 |
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| Acce | Yaniel: it's working for you? | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | yep | 10:45 |
| Yaniel | I see one extra calendar on my jolla | 10:46 |
| Acce | do you have something different in your email settings compared to Nicd? | 10:46 |
| Yaniel | but otherwise works fine | 10:46 |
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| Yaniel | I had to go to server settings to set my login name since it is different from the address | 10:48 |
| Yaniel | hmm secure connection is checked but port is 443? | 10:51 |
| Acce | hmm is exchange different from office365.. | 10:51 |
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| Yaniel | they are not directly related | 10:56 |
| Yaniel | but office365 is a service, exchange is ahm protocol? | 10:58 |
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| * pahartik tried to use "osc" for building "bridge-utils" on "https://build.merproject.org/" but damn thing does not seem to like IPv6-only network | 11:01 | |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: did you use automatic discovery for exchange? | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | I don't remember, likely not | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | it didn't work for me. it wen through "checking credentials" fine but after the next dialog it failed | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | went* | 11:07 |
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| Yaniel | outlook.office365.com is the server url | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | I'll try again now | 11:08 |
| Yaniel | does your login have the @tstudent.ut.fi part? | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | yes | 11:09 |
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| Nicd- | retrieving settings from server... | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | ooh, now it worked! | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | yay! | 11:12 |
| Yaniel | do you have phantom calendars? | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | I don't know | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | now email app doesn't start :D | 11:12 |
| Yaniel | I have one shown twice in calendar->manage calendars | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | I didn't sync calendars or contacts | 11:12 |
| Yaniel | ah | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | email won't start :/ | 11:13 |
| Yaniel | the duplicate does not have any events though | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | I'll try rebooting | 11:13 |
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| Nicd- | yay, email app started | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | and I can send mail! | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | thanks Yaniel <3 | 11:16 |
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| Acce | And then they lived happily ever after... | 11:17 |
| ballock | with Exchange? yeah, right :p | 11:18 |
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| Acce | ballock: no, Yaniel and Nicd of course :D don't you see the "<3" | 11:18 |
| ballock | a happy couple and Exchange? Sounds like a horror story to me | 11:19 |
| Acce | well, I don't blame people for what they love | 11:20 |
| Acce | or what they're forced to love | 11:20 |
| Acce | or at least, forced to use | 11:20 |
| ballock | You know, those things are not love, it's either obsession, posession, or being posessed. | 11:21 |
| ballock | like in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg | 11:21 |
| Acce | heh, sounds like semantics to me | 11:22 |
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| * covox has spent the last week developing for Exchange | 11:23 | |
| covox | I'd describe the relationship as extremely passive aggressive | 11:23 |
| Acce | covox: :D | 11:23 |
| Acce | I wonder why Jolla implemented exchange first.. did they feel it's something the phone has to have to be accepted for corporate use? | 11:24 |
| covox | both people are in a rut and they know it, no-one tells each other why they're upset, occasional shouting matches | 11:24 |
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| ballock | I guess it was just ready from some post-Nokia stuff. | 11:25 |
| covox | also developing in .NET makes a lot more sense after being smacked in the head a few times with a MSDN binder | 11:26 |
| ballock | covox: a MSDN binder? what's that? | 11:27 |
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| covox | ballock: at one stage you could order a printed copy of e.g. the complete win32 API | 11:28 |
| covox | think a rack full of telephone books, only about twice as thick and three times as dense | 11:29 |
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| covox | plus if you needed any metalwork done, you could put one next to your iron forge and use it as a replacement anvil | 11:30 |
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| ballock | covox: I get it, I get it. Just don't dump it on the IRC. | 11:31 |
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| covox | or an easy way to stop your 1,100 ft ocean liner from floating away, just chain two of them together and toss them overboard | 11:32 |
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| ballock | I just checked the #msdn and #microsoft channels, next to nobody to dump the stuff on... | 11:33 |
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| covox | ballock: they all deved for the windows 8 store launch and are too busy being millionaires | 11:36 |
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| Yaniel | well, exchange activesync is pretty good | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | but it is microsoft's proprietary stuff :/ | 12:20 |
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| jubo2 | how do I send sms | 12:54 |
| jubo2 | I cannot from gallery | 12:54 |
| jubo2 | which is, once again, stupid | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | what | 12:54 |
| jubo2 | no. I mean mms | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | you can't | 12:54 |
| jubo2 | multimedia message | 12:54 |
| jubo2 | sry, my bad | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | it is not implemented yet | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | coming soon™ | 12:54 |
| tbr | artemma: being fixed right now apparently | 12:55 |
| AL13N_work | well, i'm more interested in the bluetooth stuff :-) | 12:56 |
| AL13N_work | also, an SFTP (SCP) share method would be nice :-) | 12:57 |
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| AL13N_work | well, i just do it in fingerterm, it's not that big of a deal :-) | 12:57 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: you could try adding a generic sharing plugin calling arbitrary scripts :p | 12:59 |
| AL13N_work | yes, i was thinking of something like that | 13:00 |
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| artemma | tbr: hopefully app store will actually work this time :) You mean both Quick Launcher and Flashlight entries are being fixed? Or the whole app store thing? | 13:01 |
| flux | yeah, a script sharing system would rock | 13:01 |
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| AL13N_work | Aard: but otoh, it would not be used alot... | 13:01 |
| flux | I would copy it over ssh to somewhere and make the URL for it to appear in my IRC, as well as in jolla clipboard | 13:01 |
| Yaniel | ssh sharing? | 13:01 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: I'd use it :p it's been on my todo-list for over half a year, but unfortunately I have so much other stuff to do | 13:01 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: that's EXACTLY my point | 13:02 |
| tbr | artemma: it sounded like more than just your packages | 13:02 |
| Aard | I've been using it on the n900, and missing that functionality on n9 was the biggest issue there for me | 13:02 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: what, I'm not good enough for you? :p | 13:02 |
| AL13N_work | i mean that i TOO have other, higher priority stuff to do | 13:03 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work / Aard - bt-sync works out of the box on jolla, also pretty cool as it syncs selected directory in the background | 13:03 |
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| AL13N_work | like my WLAN issue/or AppSec PoC | 13:04 |
| Aard | tbr: bluetooth is fancy new technology, still didn't get used to it ;) | 13:04 |
| AL13N_work | and i'll need to do a new openvpn systemd file so that i have a .target file which can stop all the vpns | 13:04 |
| tbr | Aard: no bittorrent-sync. let me find an url | 13:04 |
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| tbr | http://www.bittorrent.com/sync/downloads | 13:05 |
| tbr | the ARM binary works ootb on the jolla | 13:05 |
| tbr | sadly this is binary only | 13:05 |
| AL13N_work | what about aria? | 13:05 |
| tbr | it was pretty impressive and useful to sync certain directories between all my jolla, android devices, laptop AND server | 13:06 |
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| tango_ | copy files to the jolla from linux. suggestions? | 13:15 |
| salami` | usb? sftp? | 13:15 |
| tango_ | usb connection | 13:16 |
| tango_ | (otherwise I'd just use rsync) | 13:16 |
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| Yaniel | sshfs | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | for maximum comfort | 13:17 |
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| tango_ | Yaniel: it's via usb, I'd have to setup a network over usb | 13:23 |
| pahartik | tango_: "scp -pr" | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | two commands | 13:23 |
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| Yaniel | not much of an issue | 13:23 |
| tango_ | btw mtpfs mounted it | 13:24 |
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| tango_ | but then it says "Transport endpoint not connected" | 13:24 |
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| tango_ | oh well | 13:25 |
| tango_ | now it works | 13:25 |
| tango_ | meh | 13:25 |
| tango_ | very flaky | 13:25 |
| Aard | tango_: try jmtpfs, seems to be a bit more stable than mtpfs | 13:25 |
| tango_ | Aard: thanks, I'll keep that in mind | 13:27 |
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| Turski | tango_: i have set up a udev rule that triggers a script that mounts jolla with sshfs when plugged in | 14:26 |
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| _Razor_ | not bädmän...clash of clansia pelannu, irssiä ssh:n yli kuten nyt | 14:43 |
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| _Razor_ | mailit synkkaa.. twitterin ja nettisivujen pläräystä mutta ei puheluita | 14:44 |
| joonahoi_ | wrong channel maybe?) | 14:45 |
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| _Razor_ | yup :P | 14:45 |
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| _Razor_ | since speaking about jolla phone; so 18% battery to go and took from charger tuesday morning at 7:30 | 14:50 |
| _Razor_ | not bad imo | 14:51 |
| _Razor_ | usage: playing games, mail/tweetian/web/weather browsing, some txt-messages but no calls | 14:52 |
| joonahoi | yup, the battery life is really good | 14:53 |
| _Razor_ | can you find droidphone with same batterylife | 14:53 |
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| Dima^ | true, after update, battery life is significally better | 14:57 |
| Dima^ | even better than in n9 | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:58 |
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| Sail0r | it's the first time since my n900 that I not searching for charger every evening ^^ | 14:59 |
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| Dima^ | but indeet the sound of the black toh are not functional | 15:06 |
| Dima^ | indeed.. | 15:06 |
| Dima^ | have to change to jolla original ones | 15:07 |
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| Sail0r | oO | 15:08 |
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| Dima^ | but clock alarm is good :) | 15:10 |
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| jussi | So, the brother in law is having lots of issues with his phone - its shutting down whenever it seems to have CPU load - during a call, opening gallery, using the net etc. If he leaves it for 10 mins with battery removed, then every is ok for soem time, but then it begins again. anyone seen this/can help? | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | random shutdowns? yeah many people have reported those | 15:29 |
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| Yaniel | there should be discussion on tjc | 15:29 |
| _Razor_ | i had those shutdowns after 1.0.3.8 | 15:30 |
| _Razor_ | removed battery couple of times for ~10min..now the problem seems to be gone | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | never had the issue | 15:31 |
| _Razor_ | I tried to get logs for those resets but log timing was always wrong | 15:31 |
| _Razor_ | Only bootup in log | 15:32 |
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| tango_ | Turski: care to share it? | 15:38 |
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| Turski | tango_: this sets up the networking for the device with interfacename "jolla" http://paste.dy.fi/2A8 | 16:03 |
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| tango_ | Turski: ah, cool | 16:04 |
| Turski | and i have host jolla defined in my ssh config, and then i do just $ sshfs :jolla ~/jolla | 16:04 |
| Turski | looks like i didn't have sshfs part automated yet | 16:04 |
| tango_ | of course | 16:04 |
| tango_ | the thing that I seem to be learning here is that you can trivially ad a network interface for a usb thingie | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | yep ^^ | 16:05 |
| Turski | and of course your jolla usb should be in developer mode | 16:05 |
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| tango_ | of course | 16:07 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: i got several things on wifi: IPv6 looks like it does fuck up the state of connmand (restarting connmand seems to help), there's stuff on ipv6 that isn't handled well, and op ipv4 falling back to zeroconf happens too soon, (or it doesn't retry), and it stores the fallback ip in connman settings, making the next connection more difficult | 16:10 |
| rangoy | ~. | 16:10 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: then the wlan itself, the openwrt "iw station dump" returns tx rates that are satisfactory, the jolla itself seems to not go further than MCS7 (even with the distance to wlan antenna being less than 5 cm), but more importantly, the rx RATE (on openwrt) is never more than 6.0Mbps... while other devices have sometimes 104 or more mbps | 16:11 |
| AL13N_work | while the jolla is reportedly sending at 52MBps, the openwrt is receiving it at 6.0 mbps | 16:12 |
| AL13N_work | i don't know much about wifi, but that doesn't look good | 16:12 |
| AL13N_work | (this was with tests at work, so different openwrt hardware) | 16:12 |
| AL13N_work | (and no ipv6 stack here) | 16:13 |
| AL13N_work | Sage: anyway, my guess is more toward firmware... is the reported transmit speed actually correct? | 16:13 |
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| Sage | AL13N_work: my transfer speed on my wifi network is ~6MB/s on wifi with my jolla at least so maybe something on the ap side different that is not handled that well. | 16:18 |
| Sage | AL13N_work: with WPA2-PSK encryption and ipv4 only | 16:18 |
| Sage | though my wifi ap is not very fast one :P | 16:19 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't test sustained transfer rates, gonna try that | 16:19 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe it'll be better if i push more data into it | 16:20 |
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| Sage | AL13N_work: quick test on my network ~6MB/s in and ~5.2MB/s out | 16:23 |
| Sage | and I was talking on the phone at the same time fwiw :) | 16:24 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: gonna see tonight if i get the same | 16:31 |
| AL13N_work | what did you do? did you just scp something? | 16:32 |
| AL13N_work | Sage: did you check your openwrt ap, the 'iw dev wlan0 station dump' | 16:32 |
| AL13N_work | ? | 16:32 |
| AL13N_work | Sage: btw: why is the wlan device split into 2 managed ones? | 16:33 |
| AL13N_work | wlan0 and p2p0 | 16:33 |
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| Turski | AL13N_work: 52 MB or Mb and 6 MB or Mb? | 16:39 |
| Turski | AL13N_work: 52 Mb = 6.5 MB | 16:39 |
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| Sage | AL13N_work: just plain scp and MB | 16:40 |
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| Sage | AL13N_work: unfortunately I'm not near the openwrt ap I have (it is 160km from my home :)) | 16:40 |
| Turski | and supposedly at least not mb... | 16:40 |
| Turski | (millibits) | 16:40 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: i've copied a file over of 2.9GB and at first i get 3.4MB/s, but now down to 100kb and i notice the rx rate dropping | 16:44 |
| Sage | Turski: :) | 16:44 |
| AL13N_work | scp too | 16:44 |
| Sage | AL13N_work: well I tried with ~1GB file | 16:44 |
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| AL13N_work | the rx rate is now stuck on 6.0Mbit | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | signal is very flaky it seems | 16:46 |
| AL13N_work | from -67 to suddenly +56 | 16:46 |
| AL13N_work | dBm | 16:46 |
| Sage | AL13N_work: what is the openwrt version you are using and what hw? I'm possibly going next to one openwrt box during the weekend maybe I can check if it works for me | 16:46 |
| AL13N_work | ah, this is because it disconnects | 16:47 |
| AL13N_work | atheros chipsets | 16:47 |
| AL13N_work | netgear and tplink | 16:47 |
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| AL13N_work | the netgear is 10.03.1 and the TPlink was trunk (daily build) | 16:48 |
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| tanghus | Freaking great. Harbour removes notifications about app status. Now I have to try to remember the rejection reason :( | 16:49 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: afaict it's because i have disconnects | 16:49 |
| AL13N_work | in the middle of the file transfer | 16:49 |
| AL13N_work | signal is mostly between -65 and -75 dBm | 16:50 |
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| AL13N_work | but then suddenly it's 38dBm or something | 16:50 |
| AL13N_work | postitive, i mean | 16:50 |
| AL13N_work | each time that happens, the rx rate drops back to 1.0Mbit and climbs upward again | 16:51 |
| AL13N_work | the scp file transfer keeps going, just sometimes it stalls during these times | 16:51 |
| AL13N_work | i should make a graph out of this or something | 16:51 |
| AL13N_work | tx retries is huge, but that might be normal-ish | 16:53 |
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| louisdk | I hope that more coloured other half would be released soon. I think it a bit overkill to create a new wallpaper and ringtone for every colour. | 16:57 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: going home... ttyl | 17:00 |
| chem|st | wtf, no stickers with toh order... they are seriously in trouble when they are so short on stuff that they need to charge 29eur a piece and not even put stickers in a package with 2 toh... | 17:00 |
| Yaniel | :D | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | I too order TOHs just for the stickers | 17:02 |
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| Aard | chem|st: should I send you some? | 17:03 |
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| tango_ | tohs for the sticker? | 17:05 |
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| Sail0r | lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgXlkkCIcAAeR5E.png | 17:25 |
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| chem|st | Yaniel: +1 | 17:50 |
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| louisdk | Have anyone brought this case for their Jolla: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leather-case-cover-sleeve-pouch-padded-lined-brown-soft-slim-lightweight-strap-/141127749211?pt=US_Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&var=&hash=item20dbde8e5b | 20:18 |
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| Quu | do people really use that kind of cases? | 20:26 |
| Dima^ | no, they are nightmares | 20:26 |
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| louisdk | because you get tired of the lock mechanism? | 20:32 |
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| pdanek | The aluminium frame on Jolla is quite soft material., just light drops on the ground and noticeable damages. | 20:50 |
| pdanek | At least I passed the "new thing" period, when I was worrying to even scratch the Jolla. :D | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | yeah we need aeroplane steel phones | 20:51 |
| pdanek | Yaniel: Actually I believe that plastic is much better material for phones than aluminium, why do they use aluminium anyway? | 20:52 |
| kehnoo | aluminium is nice as it deforms instead of cracking | 20:53 |
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| pahartik | pdanek: Aluminium is easily reusable, plastic often not so easily reusable | 20:57 |
| pdanek | Right. | 20:57 |
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| Quu | left | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | Plastic will also act as cushion :) | 20:58 |
| pdanek | Still I believe that much more damage-proof phone can be made out of right plastic material than from Al. | 20:59 |
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| ShadowJK | yep | 20:59 |
| pdanek | That's why all the modern cars have plastic bumpers. | 20:59 |
| Quu | thats why moped-cars are made from plastic | 21:00 |
| Quu | and almost can handle "bump" with bicycle | 21:00 |
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| ShadowJK | You could make phone out of cast iron, and it'd be unbreakable on the outside, but if you dropped it on the floor, your floor would be ruined, and all the electronics inside the phone would be ruined, but the outside of the phon would look brand new | 21:01 |
| kehnoo | eh, cars have plastic bumpers because it's cheap, easy to fix and by deforming and breaking it consumes the kinetic energy | 21:03 |
| FireFly | Your phone would also be heavier than an N900 | 21:03 |
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| kehnoo | I've got phone made of steel, it's great but pain in the ass in winter :p | 21:03 |
| FireFly | ShadowJK: couldn't there be something softer inside the cast-iron shell to protect it from such damage? | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | No because then it becomes too thick | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | but yeah, that'd be pretty good | 21:04 |
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| Dima^ | omg.. I can't change a ringtone?! | 21:06 |
| FireFly | Um, yes you can? I think | 21:06 |
| FireFly | In the settings for the ambience | 21:06 |
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| Dima^ | changed TOH to Keira black, then in settings choose jolla-ringtone.. | 21:07 |
| Dima^ | now friend called me an it was stilla Keira tone | 21:07 |
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| Quu | yeah | 21:07 |
| Quu | because you cant change it | 21:07 |
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| Quu | thats why you dont use those ambiences | 21:08 |
| FireFly | ...that sucks D: | 21:08 |
| Yaniel | you can't? | 21:08 |
| Dima^ | I have to use other ambiance to change the ringtone | 21:08 |
| kehnoo | jut rip the picutre from internet and make own ambience :p | 21:09 |
| Dima^ | but I like this background and alarm tone :P | 21:09 |
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| Quu | or find the .ambience file and edit it | 21:09 |
| FireFly | Or just locate the picture in the fs and copy it to ~/Pictures | 21:09 |
| FireFly | hm, where are the .ambience files? | 21:09 |
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| Quu | well, thats why you need to _find_ the file. | 21:10 |
| FireFly | Oh | 21:10 |
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| FireFly | Okay, so /usr/share/ambience/ | 21:11 |
| FireFly | at least that's where the poppy red ambience was installed | 21:11 |
| Quu | yeah | 21:12 |
| Quu | ambience-black | 21:12 |
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| Quu | creating ambience from wallpaper creates blue-ish hilights | 21:15 |
| Quu | and they are green-ish with kiera-whatever | 21:15 |
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| Dima^ | this greenish is quit good | 21:31 |
| Dima^ | *quite | 21:31 |
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| Quu | indeed it is | 21:31 |
| Quu | maybe i need to waste time and clone the ambience with my custom sounds | 21:31 |
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| Dima^ | maybe I'l keep the original keira.. and get used to these tones :P | 21:32 |
| Quu | meeh, sould be pretty easy to edit | 21:32 |
| Quu | add .mp3's, change couple lines and rename the theme | 21:32 |
| Dima^ | tell me when you'll be done with that | 21:33 |
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| Quu | probably tomorrow evening | 21:33 |
| Dima^ | So I'll waste a little bit less time | 21:33 |
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| Dima^ | *lesser | 21:33 |
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| Quu | well, there were guide with TOH dev-kit | 21:34 |
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| Dima^ | there is? | 21:35 |
| Quu | yes | 21:35 |
| Dima^ | and the template for an ambiance | 21:35 |
| Quu | kinda yeah | 21:35 |
| kehnoo | I got highlights when I just rotated and resized the picture pulled from internet | 21:35 |
| Dima^ | but I though that the have to be in the store and combined with own toh | 21:35 |
| kehnoo | red highlights | 21:35 |
| Quu | Dima^: pretty sure you can just move them to /usr/share/ambience and *magic* | 21:36 |
| Quu | but ill tinker with those tomorrow | 21:36 |
| Dima^ | love this kind of magic | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo: do you have the red TOH? | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | in use | 21:36 |
| Dima^ | I's damn orange :D | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 21:36 |
| kehnoo | no, black one without nfc chip | 21:37 |
| Dima^ | all my friend see it as orange :P | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | orange as a carrot | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | well, if get all pedantic I'd say it is vermilion | 21:38 |
| Quu | Dima^: bad habit, i use *magic* as excuse for being too tired to write long lines of useless shit noone bothers to read anyway | 21:38 |
| Dima^ | why it's not named honestly "First one orange" | 21:38 |
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| Quu | because its bit more red than orange | 21:38 |
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| Dima^ | Quu: between two engineers this word like "magic" explains enough stuff. | 21:39 |
| Dima^ | or is it in the between | 21:39 |
| Dima^ | but if almost all people see it as orange, so nature tells more than some rgb-pickup tool | 21:40 |
| Dima^ | "it's 1/255 more red!" - "no, it's orange. period." | 21:42 |
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| FireFly | It's certainly on the red side of orange | 22:30 |
| FireFly | s/side/end/ | 22:30 |
| FireFly | The physical TOH at least | 22:31 |
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| Grauwolf | are there actual jolla developers in here? | 23:34 |
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| stephg | if you're lucky | 23:34 |
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| stephg | might be nap-time for most of them tho' | 23:34 |
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| Grauwolf | i would be interested in what they think a possible approach to application permission management would be. what they where thinking of and if there is already work being done in this field | 23:36 |
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| Dima^ | Grauwolf: try to search Together | 23:40 |
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| stephg | Grauwolf, there's an open topic about it as Dima^ says | 23:42 |
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| Dima^ | damn this mamoni spams in /msg | 23:42 |
| stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/27076/roundtable-discussion-application-security/ | 23:44 |
| stephg | Grauwolf ^ that's from the community side but involved sailors who happened to be at FOSDEM | 23:44 |
| Grauwolf | stephg: thanks | 23:46 |
| stephg | please add thoughts/comments | 23:46 |
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| Grauwolf | i just came from the local devops meetup which included beer. so i am not in the best condition to comment on technical matters. but i'll try not to forget it tomorrow | 23:48 |
| stephg | if it's any consolation I'm also smashed | 23:49 |
| Grauwolf | :) | 23:49 |
| Grauwolf | but regarding SELinux https://grsecurity.net/~spender/pics/mac_security_sesamestreet.jpg | 23:52 |
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