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| Abby27 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:07 |
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| doctorinserenity | Is there a way to permanently lower the brightness of the screen LED? I always had my N900 on the lowest brightness setting and the screen is sucking up a lot of power on my Jolla for brightness I don't need | 01:50 |
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| doctorinserenity | (The problem is that the brightness level slider doesn't go low enough) | 01:54 |
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| rcg | Elleo, jfyi https://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/#post-id-26929 | 07:02 |
| rcg | see the edit | 07:02 |
| rcg | this is pretty crude but it works at least | 07:02 |
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| Pnuu | doctorinserenity: I'd like that too | 07:38 |
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| rangoy | hi. is there a way of increasing the GPS update frequency? It seems like i get only updates every ~30. seconds (in android apps at least). Is there any native apps for testing GPS? | 08:13 |
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| Dima^ | rangoy: GPSInfo | 08:15 |
| rangoy | Dima^: where can i find that? | 08:15 |
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| Dima^ | warehouse | 08:16 |
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| Dima^ | https://openrepos.net/content/balta/gpsinfo | 08:17 |
| Dima^ | or you can dowload and install by yourself | 08:18 |
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| rangoy | nice... why is anroid apps getting slower updates? | 08:26 |
| rangoy | hmm.. now gps status get updates every second.. strange | 08:28 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | How to disable waking up the phone when pressing volume button? | 09:34 |
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| rangoy | s141EeAICBv | 09:37 |
| Sail0r | ! | 09:37 |
| jake9xx | might wanna change your pw rangoy :) | 09:37 |
| suy | good password :) | 09:37 |
| Yaniel | impressive passwords right there | 09:37 |
| Yaniel | how do you even remember that | 09:37 |
| Sail0r | keepass? xD | 09:37 |
| Yaniel | meh | 09:38 |
| rangoy | just terminal in pocket | 09:38 |
| jake9xx | Yaniel: my passwords are like that as well, guess the stress after returning from holidays... | 09:38 |
| AL13N_work | suy: bad password | 09:38 |
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| AL13N_work | not enough chars and no "special" chars | 09:38 |
| rcg | hi | 09:38 |
| rcg | is there any way to get the information about which song is currently playing? | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | wow, so you guys have all bad passwords :-) | 09:39 |
| rangoy | my passwords has special chars too.. that was only "pocket calling" to irc | 09:39 |
| rcg | ideally along with artist and album :) | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | rcg: iinm media player doesn't have dbus? | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | if it does, you could get it from there | 09:39 |
| suy | AL13N_work: depends on the use case. I don't use "special" chars normally. My lengths are better, of course. | 09:39 |
| rcg | AL13N, it doesn | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | rangoy: sure, we believe you! | 09:39 |
| rcg | t | 09:39 |
| Eztran | Bear in mind the top password apparently changed from 'password'... to '12345'. Everyone has bad passwords. | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | indeed | 09:40 |
| rcg | AL13N, iirc, there were some hacks to work around the missing dbus functionality | 09:40 |
| AL13N_work | yes, but that's qml wrapping | 09:40 |
| AL13N_work | though maybe the qml has info on that too | 09:40 |
| AL13N_work | but it's guessing since you don't have the source on the objects | 09:40 |
| rangoy | Yes, but who set's a secure password for a site you register to only get a download link? | 09:40 |
| AL13N_work | rcg you could ask jolla programmers for the qml object exposure wrt to that | 09:41 |
| AL13N_work | but ideally more apps use DBUS | 09:42 |
| AL13N_work | cause that would be a good way to secure it | 09:42 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, well, iirc, someone kinda solved that problem already.. i just forgot the link and don't happen to find it again | 09:42 |
| rcg | the dbus <-> c++ interaction is a no-brainer, imho | 09:43 |
| rcg | i just need to find the right spot to look into | 09:43 |
| Sail0r | that's like the registration for ccnp security which allows only pws with uppercase and numbers ... no special chars and only 8 chars. | 09:43 |
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| rcg | *err qml <-> c++ | 09:43 |
| AL13N_work | Sage: ping... i spoke too soon, i had the issues this morning... it might be that it worked due to lease still active or something | 09:43 |
| rcg | if there was dbus available that would be ideal but right now we need to work around this limitation | 09:44 |
| AL13N_work | rcg: lol | 09:44 |
| AL13N_work | rcq: iinm the qml wrappers are in code... maybe you could look at the strings and guess what you can use :-) | 09:45 |
| AL13N_work | or symbols | 09:45 |
| rcg | AL13N, ? | 09:45 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, ^ | 09:45 |
| AL13N_work | ? | 09:45 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, the problem is not the qml wrapping.. it's that i don't know how to get the information from the running media player instance | 09:46 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 09:46 |
| rcg | or are there already readily usable objects that provide that information out of the box? | 09:46 |
| rcg | i found some implementation that seems to mess with pulse audio (?!) in order to get that information but i hoped for an easier way | 09:47 |
| AL13N_work | what i mean is that there's QML wraps on objects to be able to use it in qml... so, possibly the current song might be available through QML, it's just that you don't know where it is and you'd need to guess | 09:47 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, alright, gotcha | 09:47 |
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| rcg | i will grep through the qml stuff that's publicly visible then | 09:48 |
| AL13N_work | in order to guess less, you could look at the qml wrappers for the object or look at the string or symbols of that | 09:48 |
| rcg | e.g., some portions of the media player code are in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/mediaplayer | 09:48 |
| AL13N_work | or hope the current qml uses it already and you can copy paste | 09:48 |
| rcg | but my hopes are rather low that there will be something like this out of the box already.. will look though nonetheless | 09:49 |
| AL13N_work | maybe if you look at the bottom playing panel or the context menu, which has the current song | 09:49 |
| AL13N_work | and use the same hack, write it into xml to disk and poll from your app :-) | 09:49 |
| AL13N_work | this is really dirty stuff... | 09:49 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, my guess is that this is all handled within the media player app itself without any reasonable ipc | 09:49 |
| AL13N_work | still, the qml pages would show the current song in the pulldown menu | 09:50 |
| AL13N_work | right? | 09:50 |
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| rcg | AL13N_work, hehe, indeed.. this is pretty dirty business | 09:50 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, yeah, but it's still inside the media player app so there is no need for ipc at all? | 09:51 |
| AL13N_work | well, i thought you needed the current song somewhere else? | 09:51 |
| rcg | yep | 09:51 |
| AL13N_work | that in a way is some kind of IPC :-) | 09:51 |
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| rcg | i'm just saying that your example of the pulldown menu etc. there is no ipc involved so i am doubtful of having something like that already implemented | 09:52 |
| rcg | i am looking for some sort of ipc | 09:52 |
| AL13N_work | the other hack i saw, added a timer to the jolla app | 09:52 |
| rcg | AL13N_work, yep, that's my hack :) | 09:53 |
| rcg | but reading is easy as this can be done via the xml list model | 09:53 |
| AL13N_work | right | 09:53 |
| rcg | writing to the fs via pure qml is more tricky | 09:53 |
| AL13N_work | ah, writing is the tricky part... | 09:53 |
| AL13N_work | can't you write a xml model too? | 09:53 |
| rcg | one could use the local storage db but that seems to be on per app basis | 09:53 |
| rcg | afaik not | 09:53 |
| AL13N_work | use /tmp/ | 09:54 |
| rcg | https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquick/qmlmodule-qtquick-localstorage2-qtquick-localstorage-2.html | 09:55 |
| rcg | e.g. | 09:55 |
| rcg | afaik you cannot specify the path where the db will be stored | 09:55 |
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| rcg | afaik it is a per app singleton for the given name | 09:55 |
| rcg | and i am not aware of other mechanisms in pure qml to write data to some place | 09:56 |
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| Grauwolf | hello! my jolla device is on my way to me and i'm getting really excited about writing software for it. what are the options for developing sailfish applications. from what i'v seen the best way to go seems to be c++. this is good enough for me but what other options exist? python with pyqt? java? | 10:02 |
| rcg | Grauwolf, have a look at qml and the silica components | 10:03 |
| rcg | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/index.html | 10:03 |
| rcg | hi btw :) | 10:03 |
| Grauwolf | :) | 10:04 |
| rcg | imho, the best combination is qt + qml | 10:04 |
| rcg | but there are of course other options as well :) | 10:04 |
| Grauwolf | rcg: well. c++ it is :D | 10:06 |
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| jake9xx | Grauwolf: get the sdk, study the examples - you'll get the idea. Even the template app we provide is 'good to go' i.e. it is a real application. | 10:11 |
| jake9xx | Grauwolf: for UI the best way fwd is QML and if you need some processing magic et al - use Qt5/c++ | 10:11 |
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| rcg | ;) | 10:12 |
| Grauwolf | jake9xx: thanks. will try to get the hang of it. my c++ knowledge got a littlebit rusty over the years | 10:12 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 10:37 |
| stephg | NING! | 10:37 |
| tbr | mooo | 10:38 |
| Venemo | for everyone who remembers the community roundtable, tbr and myself are putting up the topics to together | 10:38 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/13605/visible-open-source-app-community-supported-by-jolla/ | 10:38 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/27052/roundtable-discussion-jolla-harbour-apis/ | 10:38 |
| Venemo | I'll make a thread about the other topics ASAIC | 10:38 |
| Venemo | in the meantime, please chime in to the discussions :) | 10:39 |
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| Venemo | tbr: do you recall anything about the APIs discussion worth to add to my post? | 10:41 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: i was gonna do a similar thing with app-sec topic | 10:41 |
| tbr | Venemo: have it open, will take a look later | 10:41 |
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| Venemo | thanks tbr | 10:42 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: ok then, security topic is yours :) | 10:42 |
| AL13N_work | well, i don't recall everything, i was pretty much gonna say what lbt and me discussed technically and drop the rest, but that might not be fair | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | i don't exactly have a good memory | 10:44 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: if you remember the other points, i'll definately adjust/edit/add what you write | 10:45 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: ok, create the post and ping me when it's done, I'll try to recall what I can | 10:45 |
| AL13N_work | k | 10:45 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: what about the stuff at the end? | 10:45 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: what stuff at the end? | 10:47 |
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| AL13N_work | after the roundtable there was some "freewheeling" due to extra time, if you remember? | 10:50 |
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| Venemo | AL13N_work: yes, and I don't recall anything constructive from that time | 10:52 |
| AL13N_work | hehe | 10:52 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe tbr will | 10:53 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: basically people were at each other's throats suggesting to switch to deb, some guy wanted to use some ubuntu crap for app security, and David admitted he doesn't know how to solve some things in RPM | 10:53 |
| tbr | not really | 10:53 |
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| tbr | we managed to squeeze our brains in the timebox so much that not much came afterwards | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | i remember you saying any topic we want to discuss further | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | and silence | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 10:54 |
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| AL13N_work | wait, there was a thing about the rpm dependencies wrt upgrades | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | and the libresolv issues | 10:55 |
| Venemo | battery observation for today: being online (on mobile data) between 08:00 and 12:00 cost the Jolla battery to go from 100% to 75% | 10:56 |
| Venemo | now I'm connecting it to IRC and Skype and see what happens | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | the last 2 days, i forgot to charge battery | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | it was at around 40% last night | 10:56 |
| Venemo | which reminds me, does silent mode apply to skype? | 10:57 |
| Sage | AL13N_work: :/ | 10:57 |
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| AL13N_work | Sage: myeah | 10:57 |
| AL13N_work | gonna go see when i get home if when i turn off IPv6 that it would go better | 10:57 |
| Venemo | ok, I'd rather not risk it | 10:58 |
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| Grauwolf | are there actually any more specific plans for when sailfish will be available for android-devices like nexus 5? | 11:22 |
| tbr | nothing has been announced, but given that there was a nice video, I'd expect not too long. | 11:23 |
| Grauwolf | :) | 11:23 |
| Grauwolf | http://www.talouselama.fi/nakoislehti/jolla+ceo+you+will+soon+be+able+turn+your+android+device+into+a+sailfish+device/a2218386 | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | soon(TM) is a trademark of jolla oy | 11:25 |
| zutto | soon(TM) cant be trademark of jolla | 11:25 |
| zutto | cause shitloads of other finnish companies use it too | 11:25 |
| Acce | never(TM) is trademark of other companies | 11:25 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo_j: tbr: lbt: i'm pretty bad at this: can anyone of you complete this post: https://together.jolla.com/question/27076/roundtable-discussion-application-security/ | 11:26 |
| pp | Jolla is not yallah ;) | 11:26 |
| tachikoma | mh, yesterday i had the connection problem endless loop | 11:27 |
| tachikoma | that is really a ugly bug | 11:27 |
| * lbt takes a loog | 11:27 | |
| lbt | k | 11:27 |
| tachikoma | killed 50% of the battery in no time | 11:27 |
| AL13N_work | i have bad memory, i apologize, it's gonna need alot of re-editing | 11:27 |
| tachikoma | and only way to fix it was a areboot, as interaction with the phone was close to impossible | 11:27 |
| AL13N_work | lbt: i seem to have remembered only the points i was bringing :-) | 11:28 |
| lainwir3d | tachikoma: got it a couple of times | 11:29 |
| lainwir3d | two solutions : reboot | 11:29 |
| Acce | why is "no additional security" one of the most prominent ideas? | 11:29 |
| lainwir3d | or sometimes putting the phone on plane mode quickly at the start of the bug helps | 11:29 |
| lainwir3d | and removing the plane mode after 30seconds | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | Acce: prominent is relative :-) | 11:30 |
| AL13N_work | Acce: i donno, i just put everything i rembered in a structure i copied from Venemo_j 's post | 11:30 |
| Venemo_j | AL13N_work: moment, I'm at class | 11:31 |
| Acce | ok, let's see what pops up | 11:31 |
| AL13N_work | np | 11:32 |
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| ccha | hey what happened to my device to boot loop ? I fixed it, but I want to know what happended | 11:40 |
| chem|st | ccha: please elaborate | 11:41 |
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| jake9xx | ccha: sw version + description what happened | 11:45 |
| jake9xx | pls | 11:45 |
| chem|st | faik I just received a shipping confirmation for tohs from sjc | 11:46 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: did you order the black? | 11:47 |
| ccha | 1.0.3.8 | 11:48 |
| ccha | I want to start setting app,... the setting app start and immediately close | 11:49 |
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| ccha | then I switch on other application, but on this application, everything is freeze | 11:49 |
| ccha | I can't close the application neither switch to apps screen | 11:50 |
| ccha | then red led binded | 11:51 |
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| ccha | since everything is stuck, I remove the battery | 11:51 |
| ccha | but when I start again the divice, it boots loop | 11:52 |
| Pnuu | try keeping the battery out for 10 minutes | 11:52 |
| ccha | I fixed with jolla recovero howto | 11:53 |
| ccha | Pnuu: I trying to keep out only 5minutes, and nothing | 11:54 |
| ccha | I want to know what happended | 11:54 |
| ccha | what do btrfs revovery ? | 11:55 |
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| ccha | that fixed it | 11:55 |
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| jubo2 | What are the camera and video camera specs for Jolla ykspistenolla ? | 12:06 |
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| lbt | AL13N_work: I have the same memory issues - my excuse is that my brain filled up a few years back | 12:15 |
| Sail0r | outsource to the cloud ;) | 12:17 |
| AL13N_work | Sail0r: i don't like the cloud, especially not in relation to security :-) | 12:17 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | there's a local commercial where they say something like: your contacts and pictures just became more mobile and fell into your soup or worse ... in the toilet | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | i always think: "or worse ... on facebook" | 12:19 |
| AL13N_work | Sail0r: so no, i'd want complete control over everything | 12:20 |
| AL13N_work | "trust noone" | 12:20 |
| mornfall | not even yourself | 12:20 |
| jubo2 | I heard about Diaspora* in #jollamobile .. now been hosting a pod for half-a-year | 12:20 |
| mornfall | is it useful? | 12:21 |
| jubo2 | I don't like the data silo and the data furnace of facebook and twitter | 12:21 |
| dschoepe | the annoying thing is that cloud services (like dropbox, etc.) _could_ respect your privacy, if they open-source their clients and do all the encryption completely on the client-side without the key being known to the server | 12:21 |
| mornfall | twitter is at least public data only | 12:21 |
| mornfall | dschoepe: that is hardly in their interest though | 12:22 |
| Sail0r | If i have to use a not private cloud | 12:22 |
| mornfall | also, usability | 12:22 |
| Sail0r | i always use truecrypt | 12:22 |
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| dschoepe | mornfall: well, I suppose that there are people willing to pay for something like that. Spideroak kind of relies on that, but then fucks with people by saying "Stuff is totally private here, no backdoors! Now go download our proprietary, closed-source client!" | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | the problem is so many people are trying to force others to use unencrypted things | 12:24 |
| dschoepe | Of course for a business model like Facebook's or Google's, that won't help | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | because they are "easier"! | 12:24 |
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| mornfall | get tahoe, or write a frontend to dropbox... | 12:25 |
| mornfall | and an otr chat client | 12:26 |
| jubo2 | especially since according to RMS almost all proprietary OS'es are detrimental to the user handing all urr dataz to NSA et al | 12:26 |
| mornfall | however, talking to 'normals' is gonna be painful | 12:27 |
| jubo2 | Trying to figure out what code is potential of doing if not see source | 12:27 |
| jubo2 | he said there are backdoors that allow the corporations to manipulate what code is run on your computer in both Windows and OS X | 12:28 |
| dschoepe | I suppose the silver lining of the NSA revelations is that it made it easier to get people to use PGP / OTR / etc. | 12:29 |
| mornfall | not much easier | 12:29 |
| mornfall | crypto is a bother | 12:30 |
| jubo2 | dschoepe: what's OTR ? | 12:31 |
| Yaniel | off-the-record | 12:31 |
| Yaniel | chat encryption | 12:32 |
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| Yaniel | done in the client | 12:32 |
| dschoepe | and it has pretty neat properties, such as perfect forward secrecy and deniability | 12:33 |
| jubo2 | Espionage is not regulated by law our law teacher told us | 12:33 |
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| jubo2 | all the countries do signal intelligence on others but also on their own people | 12:34 |
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| jubo2 | 'k .. maybe not all countries do signal intelligence.. one must have the infrastructure to do so | 12:36 |
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| jubo2 | but those that do spy on foreign people but also own people | 12:37 |
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| jubo2 | then again there you go for using non-encrypted http-connections.. | 12:38 |
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| mornfall | even otr is susceptible to metadata attacks and timing correlations | 12:41 |
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| mornfall | life's hard | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | yep | 12:44 |
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| Yaniel | but not having plaintext is a big step forward | 12:44 |
| mornfall | unless you have huge amount of bandwidth to spare anything realtime is out of question | 12:44 |
| Yaniel | *plaintext messages | 12:44 |
| mornfall | that can help yes | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | well... irc and IM is pretty much realtime | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | voice calls should be doable with decent bandwith too | 12:45 |
| mornfall | but if you live in an oppressive regime, association to wrong people is all they need | 12:45 |
| Yaniel | true | 12:45 |
| ballock | I am wondering if NSA automatically tries decrypting messages with rot13. Might be a better deal than SSL :p | 12:46 |
| Yaniel | and that "association" is easy to get | 12:46 |
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| AL13N_work | association is quite relative... look at the 3hop thing from US | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | where one known terrorist has several millions of associated US citizens | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | (non-US citizens are free game anyway) | 12:48 |
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| mornfall | everybody is fair game to someone | 12:48 |
| Yaniel | yep | 12:49 |
| AL13N_work | this reminds me,... anyone seen this: http://www.thelocal.se/20140210/swedish-expert-called-to-disarm-norway-fermented-herring-stink-bomb ? | 12:49 |
| Yaniel | and what you define as a hop can also be varied a bit | 12:49 |
| mornfall | jealous exes ftw | 12:49 |
| Yaniel | heck I bet I have more criminal "contacts" than is healthy just from hanging on (relatively normal, say, #haskell) irc channels | 12:53 |
| leinir | Hmm... yup, BBM works on Jolla :) | 12:56 |
| leinir | The notifications are not working right (guessing that's an artefact of how the android layer works), but other than that it's pretty good :) | 12:57 |
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| rangoy | is it possible to read gps info from a command line? | 14:16 |
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| tachikoma | deshalb istb es auch ein science fiction buch und keine anleitung fuer die naechsten 100 jahre ... | 14:24 |
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| tachikoma | ups | 14:24 |
| tachikoma | the daily fuckup | 14:24 |
| Sailor003 | there he goes again :) | 14:25 |
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| Grauwolf | wow. my jolla device just arrived and is ready to pick up at the airport. that was fast. especially after they said that it will take 2-3 weeks | 14:31 |
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| Sailor003 | mine has three yellow dots on the lower display border | 14:32 |
| Sailor003 | it took 2 weeks until support replied my request | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Grauwolf: how long did it take? | 14:33 |
| Sailor003 | and now it's almost another two weeks since I replied that support mail and did not yet get an answer | 14:33 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: just to let you know, I did a factory reset on the phone, without upgrading sailfish, and still I'm facing random shutdowns | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: ok, that's. .. good | 14:34 |
| Grauwolf | Stskeeps: ordered about 5 days ago | 14:34 |
| vatte | even though I didn't have them for the first few weeks I had the Jolla | 14:34 |
| Grauwolf | and damn is fedex quick | 14:34 |
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| Sailor003 | vatte: great! - I just thought "at least mine is working fine besides those dots..".. | 14:34 |
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| pawky | Is it just me, or do you also experience the E-mail polling is not really using its sync values? sometimes it doesn't sync for hours... at other times it follows the schedule... | 14:34 |
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| Sailor003 | the cover is not updating | 14:35 |
| Sailor003 | but I think the client itself is | 14:35 |
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| Sailor003 | for cover there is already a bug report at together@jollausers.com | 14:35 |
| clau | pawky: it's a known problem | 14:35 |
| pawky | clau: have anyone figured out its workings, when it fails and when not? | 14:36 |
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| clau | yes | 14:36 |
| pawky | clau: keen to share? | 14:36 |
| clau | mine is working almost correctly | 14:36 |
| clau | yes, very keen | 14:36 |
| pawky | clau: yes, very shary... | 14:36 |
| pawky | clau: so it's sporadically not doing the update, but mostly so, like mine? | 14:37 |
| clau | one moment | 14:37 |
| clau | I'm actually on phone right now... | 14:37 |
| clau | https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-erratic-email-syncing-problem/ | 14:38 |
| pawky | clau: Thank you :-) | 14:39 |
| clau | ignore the ag-tool part, that's creating more problems than it fixes | 14:39 |
| clau | bbl | 14:39 |
| pawky | clau: ok | 14:39 |
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| Sailor003 | how much battery does it consume after the change? | 14:46 |
| Sailor003 | WLAN on, SIM active, but mobile data off, my battery would last around 15 days | 14:46 |
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| Sailor003 | clau: did you saw any change in your battery usage? | 14:51 |
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| rcg | alright, got it | 15:20 |
| rcg | https://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/#post-id-26929 | 15:21 |
| rcg | dbus interaction with media player, the (hopefully) proper way | 15:21 |
| rcg | Elleo, ^ | 15:21 |
| Wnt | I have added some new contacts to my Google account via https://www.google.com/contacts/u/0/#contacts How can I refresh the contacts from linked Google account on the device? | 15:21 |
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| Elleo | rcg: cool | 15:25 |
| Elleo | rcg: will have a play with that at the weekend if I manage to find time :) | 15:25 |
| rcg | :) | 15:25 |
| rcg | org.nemomobile.dbus is pretty cool and straight forward :) | 15:26 |
| Elleo | neat | 15:26 |
| rcg | Elleo, btw. the qml implementation keeps improving.. slowly, but it improves.. didn't really have time to do anything the past weeks | 15:27 |
| Elleo | glad to hear it | 15:27 |
| Elleo | if I ever get a free moment I'll see about starting a rockwatch rewrite based around it for both sailfish and ubuntu touch | 15:27 |
| rcg | i also changed the license to match the original libpebble license btw | 15:27 |
| Elleo | okay | 15:27 |
| rcg | well, there are still lots of things missing but help is always appreciated ;) | 15:28 |
| rcg | Elleo, btw. some days ago i succeeded in uploading my first watchface via the qml implementation as well :) | 15:28 |
| Elleo | heh | 15:28 |
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| gena2x | radekp, Hi Radek, have you bought Jolla too? =) | 16:35 |
| radekp | gena2x: hi, yup :) | 16:36 |
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| radekp | gena2x: you too? | 16:37 |
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| gena2x | radekp: Yes, in January =) Cool! You know, I faced Jolla charging problems last weekend... that reminded me that FR were ideal at charging =) | 16:38 |
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| Pnuu | hmm | 16:38 |
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| Pnuu | I've had the phone off the charger since saturday morning, still at 34 % | 16:39 |
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| Pnuu | ofc, the use has been quite light | 16:39 |
| radekp | gena2x: i had too, but after reboot all was fine, btw you might be interested in this: https://github.com/radekp/jolla-battery-monitor/releases/tag/v1.0 | 16:40 |
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| gena2x | Pnuu: on saturday i connected mine to charger, where it spend whole night. and on the morning at were charged to 0%, than i had in front of my girlfried (who is microsoft database developer) to pull it 10 times into different chargers | 16:42 |
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| Pnuu | gena2x: latest software? and did it only show 0 %, or was it actually out of charge? | 16:43 |
| gena2x | Pnuu, and after a while, couple of battery insert/removals i were able to charge it enough to boot main os. | 16:43 |
| gena2x | Pnuu: latest. in show 0% | 16:44 |
| Pnuu | ok | 16:44 |
| radekp | gena2x: i think it sometimes fails to start charging even tho charging icon is displayed | 16:44 |
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| gena2x | radekp, do not really want to investigate this. | 16:44 |
| Pnuu | IIRC I had one such occasion with an older software, right after I got the phone | 16:45 |
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| radekp | gena2x: sure | 16:46 |
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| radekp | gena2x: still i am very happy with the device and os - i guess it will keep improving (but i am already happy now) | 16:49 |
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| gena2x | radekp: got distracted (still at work), yeah it is in very usable state. I like it much too so far - much better than i expected. | 17:02 |
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| gena2x | radekp: and it is really very appealing - in all sences: technically, visually, in usability. bugs are really minor. | 17:05 |
| valdur55_ | |/nick valdur55 | 17:05 |
| valdur55_ | wtf | 17:06 |
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| radekp | gena2x: yup, i am impressed too and the i2c + charging options for TOH, they are brilliant - i always wanted something like this (e.g. for solar charging) | 17:09 |
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| gena2x | radekp: Nice app btw, thank you. Good start! | 17:20 |
| radekp | gena2x: but it seems that charge_now is updated only very rarely, so the results are quite strange... | 17:21 |
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| radekp | gena2x: you might also want to disable the timer and update the graph manually - i am not sure if the timer keeps device from sleeping... | 17:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Also, uPower logs to /var/lib/uPower or something like that, so you might not need to poll battery yourself | 17:23 |
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| radekp | ShadowJK: looks interesting, thanks | 17:27 |
| louisdk | Any finish people that knows if http://akkunetti.fi is a good place to shop? | 17:28 |
| jubo2 | I lost yet another almost written SMS | 17:28 |
| Pnuu | how do you manage that? | 17:29 |
| jubo2 | to not to be able to swipe left to go back to the editing UI that is there is just friggen stupid | 17:29 |
| jubo2 | "Look Mom. No buttons! No buttons!" ~ jolla devels | 17:30 |
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| Pnuu | jolla devs <3 | 17:30 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: I manage it by swiping in either diretion and then the draft goes away and cannot be retrieved | 17:30 |
| jubo2 | even my Made in Finlan NOK E75 has a drafts folder for SMS in case the user fumbles up | 17:31 |
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| Pnuu | well, don't do that then :-) | 17:31 |
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| jubo2 | Pnuu: the phone is stupid if it doesn't have a "drafts"-folder and USE IT TO SAVE DRAFTS | 17:32 |
| FireFly | Well, that's clearly something that should be fixed (not saving a draft, that is) IMO | 17:33 |
| jubo2 | Now I have to tap 5 minutes all over again just because some techwanker thought it cool to not save drafts in drafts folder but lose them and have no way to navigate back to them | 17:33 |
| Pnuu | if you find it that bad, have you reported it to together? | 17:34 |
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| ShadowJK | louisdk; what would you buy from there? | 17:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I was going to reply, but I mistook it for another shop :) | 17:39 |
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| louisdk | ShadowJK: This case: http://akkunetti.fi/uutuudet/puhelintarvikkeet-nayton-suojakalvot/jolla-musta-nahkakotelo-flip-case-insmat-exclusive- | 17:41 |
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| ShadowJK | ah | 17:41 |
| ShadowJK | cool | 17:41 |
| louisdk | ShadowJK: But as I can't read finish I don't know if they ship to Denmark. And it's the only online shop I found that have it in stock. | 17:43 |
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| Pnuu | louisdk: seems to be only .fi | 17:45 |
| Pnuu | louisdk: but try asking info@akkunetti.fi if they'd ship it abroad | 17:45 |
| ShadowJK | the terms do say smth like "we sell products to company, government, municipal, organisational, institutional, and private customers in finland" :( | 17:45 |
| kehnoo | you could get some finn to buy and ship it to you? | 17:46 |
| louisdk | I've send them an email and will wait for answer :) | 17:47 |
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| Nicd- | so I did the 10 min battery removal, lasted for 2 days 16 hours | 17:54 |
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| Nicd- | then another shutdown | 17:54 |
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| rcg | Nicd-, hmm.. i had a pretty bad reboot loop "session" last friday.. removing the battery fixed that at least | 17:57 |
| rcg | jfyi | 17:57 |
| rcg | fwiw | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | so tempted to return for warranty repair... but they just might send a faulty one back | 17:59 |
| Nicd- | and it would cost jolla :/ | 17:59 |
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| Pnuu | hope they find a software fix for that | 18:01 |
| Nicd- | yep | 18:01 |
| louisdk | Does the Jolla phone have a specific name or is it just Jolla? | 18:02 |
| Nicd- | it's Jolla | 18:02 |
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| tango_ | what will they do when they get a new one out? call it jolla 2: revenge of the jolla? | 18:06 |
| Pnuu | we'll see | 18:06 |
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| AL13N | Nicd-: so far my 10min removal worked well | 18:15 |
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| AL13N | after 2 days and 16 hours, it sounds normal that you got a shutdown | 18:15 |
| Nicd- | normal? | 18:15 |
| AL13N | 2d 16h, seems like normal battery time? | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | I used it normally, I recharge it every night | 18:16 |
| AL13N | oic | 18:16 |
| PeperJohnny | I can get it to two days as well, so seems pretty ok | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | battery was at about 70 % when the shutdown happened | 18:16 |
| AL13N | after my battery removal, i forgot to charge and charged last night | 18:17 |
| AL13N | when it got to 40% | 18:17 |
| AL13N | i haven't had a shutdown yet | 18:17 |
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| louisdk | I'm a QWERTY fan but I really don't know if I should upon aboard this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 - To me the keypad seems quite small and I hope a better QWERTY other half would be available. | 18:59 |
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| Grauwolf | i just picked-up my jolla device from the airport \o/ | 19:04 |
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| Yaniel | so for a while it was an... airship? :D | 19:08 |
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| Grauwolf | hrhr | 19:22 |
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| Grauwolf | doing a ps auxxf on the jolla kinda reads like my desktop. i like it | 19:23 |
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| starkers | its pukka linux under the hood :) | 19:23 |
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| jubo2 | #mmm.. I'm using the tethering app | 19:32 |
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| jubo2 | It's always nice to have backup internets in case the main internets fail | 19:32 |
| HtheB | it drains the battery | 19:33 |
| HtheB | even if its closed | 19:34 |
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| jubo2 | it's good to know that if I forget my langaton mokkula I can still into internets | 19:35 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: doesn't drain on my phone, if I first disable the tethering | 19:36 |
| HtheB | i didnt test it though | 19:36 |
| HtheB | just read the reviews :p | 19:37 |
| Grauwolf | wow! /usr/bin/git | 19:37 |
| HtheB | Grauwolf: whats up? | 19:37 |
| Grauwolf | adding nmap and netcat this would be a sysadmins dream | 19:38 |
| Pnuu | Grauwolf: well, that's natural, as the backup to ~nemo/.vault is a git repository :-) | 19:40 |
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| Grauwolf | i really see the potential of what sailfish might become | 19:41 |
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| jubo2 | I still think it's a bunch of "Look Mom! No buttons!!" | 19:44 |
| Pnuu | get over it and stop whining ;-) | 19:44 |
| jubo2 | given a drafts folder for any SMS messages | 19:45 |
| jubo2 | or the possiblity to swipe back to the message editing | 19:45 |
| Pnuu | so you've posted that to together, good | 19:45 |
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| jubo2 | It's a nice phone though a little pricey | 19:46 |
| jubo2 | and the lack of analog radio is inexcusable.. I expect it to be in Jolla kaks-piste-nolla | 19:46 |
| attah | jubo2: in what parallell universe? | 19:47 |
| jubo2 | PLL tuning revolutionized FM tuning | 19:47 |
| jubo2 | especially in trains | 19:47 |
| jubo2 | before PLL almost no reception at all | 19:48 |
| jubo2 | then with PLL all channels are good | 19:48 |
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| Yaniel | make yourself a FM radio TOH if it is that important to you | 19:49 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I cannot into circuit design | 19:49 |
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| Grauwolf | where do i get basic apps like music player? sailfish is pretty naked out of the box. are there official music-play apps? | 19:49 |
| Grauwolf | (i like the initial nakedness) | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | Grauwolf: you should have been asked at first boot what you want to install | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | at least if you set up a jolla account | 19:50 |
| svuorela | I needed to go into the store | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | a/your | 19:50 |
| Grauwolf | Yaniel: no :( | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | yeah the apps are in the app store | 19:50 |
| attah | Grauwolf: that was in the setup guide thingy.. and now they are available from store | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | it's better to upgrade anyway | 19:50 |
| Grauwolf | Yaniel: and i registered an account on first boot | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | there is a big button "basic apps by jolla" in the app store | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | +first | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 19:51 |
| Grauwolf | Yaniel: ah sorry. overlooked that button. thanks | 19:51 |
| Yaniel | system upgrade to 1.0.3.8 first thing | 19:51 |
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| Grauwolf | already upgraded | 19:53 |
| Yaniel | great | 19:54 |
| Grauwolf | so am i right that only the graphical shell of jolla is proprietary? | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | then just | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | install all the things! | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | for now yes | 19:54 |
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| Grauwolf | hm. adding a twitter account seems to be broken. after consenting to the terms i get a short "Creating account..." and its back to the account overview where no twitter account is added | 20:03 |
| MrCarl | DrainBamaged | 20:03 |
| minimec | Hi Sailors. | 20:05 |
| minimec | Is there a possibility to reload the app launcher (besides rebooting)? Most of the Android app icons do disappear from the app launcher after a Play Store update. | 20:05 |
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| Venemo | killall lipstick | 20:05 |
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| minimec | Venemo: Nice! THX. | 20:06 |
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| Grauwolf | hm. yandex store just installed itself after installing android support? | 20:14 |
| Venemo | yes | 20:14 |
| lpotter | as intended | 20:15 |
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| Grauwolf | and i don't seem to be able to uninstall it again? | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | android and yandex are tied together | 20:15 |
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| Grauwolf | so then how to uninstall the android thingy? it has no icon somewhere | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | but luckily I can managed without android apps :-) | 20:16 |
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| Pnuu | hmm | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | check if it's visible in the store in "my apps" | 20:17 |
| slate | Luckily you dont have to open yandex. | 20:17 |
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| Grauwolf | Pnuu: ah indeed. was possible to uninstall it from there. thanks | 20:18 |
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