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| Quu | hahahahaha. | 06:13 |
| Quu | thank you freenode staff | 06:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:10 |
| Sail0r | morning | 07:12 |
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| reviewjolla | morning & have a great Tuesday | 07:14 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks simo | 07:16 |
| Sail0r | how long do new toh take to arrive? | 07:18 |
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| reviewjolla | Sail0r 2-3 weeks | 07:21 |
| Sail0r | thx :) | 07:21 |
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| Turski | ideas how to connect to WPA-EAP network? | 07:30 |
| Turski | (eduroam) | 07:30 |
| Turski | tried adding network to wpa_supplicant.conf but does not work | 07:30 |
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| Sail0r | have a look at together | 07:35 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 07:36 |
| cameris | In the SDK I cant get the Control Center to work. If I try localhost:8080 qtcrester looses the connection to the mervm. cant even ssh after that. | 07:36 |
| Sail0r | did you start the mersdk @ cameris | 07:36 |
| Sail0r | *mersdk vm | 07:36 |
| cameris | ofc | 07:36 |
| Sail0r | i always need to start it seperatly because it's not automatically starting on my osx | 07:38 |
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| cameris | i can compile and everything, but as soon as I try to open localhost:8080 qtcreator looses its connection | 07:39 |
| Sail0r | hm | 07:39 |
| Sail0r | did you check the virtualbox settings for the mersdk vm | 07:40 |
| Sail0r | there needs to be a portforwarding from 8080 to 9292 in the guestvm | 07:41 |
| Sail0r | and check if the ruby process inside the mervm is running | 07:42 |
| cameris | check on portforwarding. | 07:43 |
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| cameris | check on ruby | 07:45 |
| Sail0r | hm strange | 07:45 |
| Sail0r | is something else listening on port 8080 on the host system? | 07:45 |
| Sail0r | did you try to type 127.0.0.1:8080 instead of localhost:8080 | 07:46 |
| Sail0r | my qt creator can't connect to localhost | 07:47 |
| Sail0r | but to 127.0.0.1 | 07:47 |
| Sail0r | which is not always the same | 07:47 |
| Sail0r | because my system s | 07:47 |
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| Sail0r | resolves localhost first to ::1 where no mersdk is listening | 07:47 |
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| cameris | tried 127.0.0.1 too | 07:49 |
| Sail0r | weird | 07:49 |
| cameris | nothing on the host is listening on 8080 | 07:50 |
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| Sail0r | hm ok | 07:52 |
| Sail0r | bash-3.2$ netstat -an | grep 8080 | 07:52 |
| Sail0r | tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.8080 *.* LISTEN | 07:52 |
| Sail0r | is something listening on 2222? | 07:52 |
| tigeli | what? | 07:52 |
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| cameris | nothing on 2222. As said I can ssh into, as long as I dont try to access the Control Center. | 07:55 |
| Sail0r | how can you ssh into it without port 2222 oO | 07:56 |
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| Sail0r | default setting is to have a portforward to 2222 | 07:56 |
| cameris | i meant nothing else is listening there. so no conflict | 07:57 |
| cameris | if vm is running 2222 8080 get listen. | 07:57 |
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| cameris | hmm | 08:02 |
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| Sail0r | hm | 08:05 |
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| Abby24 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:07 |
| cameris | inside vm 9292 and 22 show up in netstat, as it should be | 08:07 |
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| Sail0r | what does happen if you do a wget on the vm itself to port 9292 | 08:08 |
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| cameris | hangs at awsiting response. ssh hangs too | 08:09 |
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| special | Stskeeps: wouldn't it be nice if someone wrote an ircd that could block that stuff by some kind of pattern? | 08:10 |
| cameris | quiting wget, ssh works again | 08:10 |
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| nahkiss | special: can you think of a somekind of pattern for that then? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | special: lalalala memory wipe | 08:11 |
| cameris | but qtcreator lost connection. | 08:11 |
| nahkiss | it doesn't really work if you make a shitload of different patterns and make the server compare every line of text send to them | 08:12 |
| nahkiss | also, that shouldn't really be part of the ircd, but rather some of the network services | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | that's wasteful bandwidth usage | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | also, i refuse to be dragged into my past again | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:13 |
| special | haha | 08:13 |
| Sail0r | sounds really weird what your vm is doing cameris | 08:13 |
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| cameris | can regain connection in qtcreator by "test connection" button | 08:14 |
| Sail0r | rofl? Nokia is going to fork Android oO | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: it's not as crazy as it sounds | 08:14 |
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| cameris | thought they are doing WP now? | 08:15 |
| Sail0r | if they do it like they did it with meego maemo and co ... | 08:15 |
| Sail0r | it's another dead thing | 08:15 |
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| Acce | Sail0r: whatever it will be, they'll kill it in few years announcing their new thing :p | 08:16 |
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| pp | nokia proper needs something for their automotive/whatnot stuff | 08:16 |
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| Sail0r | lol Acce ^^ | 08:16 |
| pp | microsoft-nokia... :-) | 08:16 |
| tango_ | cameris: MS is buying back the lumia line | 08:16 |
| tbr | but the next in line to be killed for now is Tizen | 08:16 |
| pp | MS also bought Asha and all the Symbian/N9 assets | 08:17 |
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| tango_ | really? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i'm really waiting for truly undeniable proof that tizen is dead.. it's like figuring out if UFOs exist.. | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | maybe the answer is that tizen was never alive in the first place | 08:18 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yeah, it's hard to find vital signs on a zombie | 08:18 |
| tbr | but the recent Samsung/Google patent deal is sure a nail in the coffin. No more need for a "competing ecosystem as a CEO-level negotiation leverage". | 08:19 |
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| Acce | tbr: so Google offered that to kill off competition (Tizen) | 08:22 |
| * pp wonders if the day #1 order will be to destroy all meego git repos at MS :-) | 08:22 | |
| Stskeeps | pp: they're so horridly outdated anyway | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | nobody would want a shitty MTF stack | 08:22 |
| * Stskeeps takes cover | 08:22 | |
| pp | probably, but they did do some grunt work that could still be useful :-) | 08:23 |
| pp | MMS *cough* | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | we have the people who did the work, it's just as good | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:23 |
| special | it's better | 08:23 |
| * special wouldn't want their MMS implementation, having seen the OSS code that interacts with it | 08:23 | |
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| cameris | Sail0r: any more ideas, on what I can check/do? | 08:25 |
| Sail0r | I am running out of them ^^ | 08:25 |
| pp | tho I suppose a lot of the value was in polishing that outdated code so it was a pleasure to use | 08:26 |
| Sail0r | do you have a local firewall or something cameris? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm quite happy with the sailfishos stack these days, albeit it needs a bit of TLC in some areas | 08:26 |
| cameris | Sail0r not at the host | 08:27 |
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| Sail0r | which os is the host running? | 08:28 |
| cameris | arch linux | 08:28 |
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| cameris | as said everything works fine, except that control center webpage. | 08:31 |
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| Sail0r | did you try this: ssh -l mersdk -i vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk localhost -p 2222 -L 9292:127.0.0.1:9292 and connection to 127.0.0.1:9292 from the host? | 08:32 |
| Sail0r | maybe there is some problem with the virtualbox forwarding | 08:32 |
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| cameris | why tunneling 9292? thought it listens on 8080 | 08:34 |
| Sail0r | the actual vm port is 9292 | 08:34 |
| Sail0r | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9292 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 218/ruby | 08:34 |
| Sail0r | the vm itself listens on 9292 | 08:34 |
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| cameris | Sail0r: that worked, could wget | 08:41 |
| Sail0r | :) | 08:43 |
| Sail0r | and now try it from qt | 08:43 |
| cameris | doesnt work | 08:43 |
| Sail0r | oO | 08:43 |
| Sail0r | you selected port 9292 | 08:43 |
| cameris | yeah | 08:43 |
| cameris | oh | 08:43 |
| cameris | just took some time | 08:44 |
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| Sail0r | :) | 08:44 |
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| Sail0r | it's not the fastest | 08:44 |
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| cameris | so i try to change the vm nat ports and try again? | 08:45 |
| Sail0r | yes | 08:45 |
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| Sail0r | we now know that not the vm part is broken but the nat part | 08:46 |
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| cameris | Sail0r: changed the hostport of guestwww, but its not working again. This is so weird. | 09:02 |
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| Sail0r | jup really weird | 09:10 |
| Sail0r | can you do a screenshot of your nat tab in virtualbox? | 09:11 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | after battery removal, no more reboots | 09:18 |
| Waitee | jollo swag | 09:18 |
| cameris | Sail0r: http://oi60.tinypic.com/70zz21.jpg | 09:21 |
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| Sail0r | and wget to 9292 is not working with this config? | 09:22 |
| cameris | yeah, only with the tunnel | 09:22 |
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| Sail0r | it looks like something is broken within virtualbox | 09:24 |
| Sail0r | did you shutdown the mervm | 09:24 |
| Sail0r | close virtualbox | 09:24 |
| Sail0r | and rerun everything again | 09:24 |
| Sail0r | after changing ports? | 09:24 |
| cameris | yes, ofc | 09:24 |
| cameris | can I do the stuff that the control center does from the commandline? | 09:26 |
| Sail0r | did not try it :-/. But i would say just establish the tunnel to forward 9292 to 8080 and you can use the control center | 09:27 |
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| cameris | hmm, guess I have no choice. | 09:28 |
| Sail0r | :-/ | 09:28 |
| cameris | anyway, thanks for your great help. | 09:29 |
| Sail0r | no problem :) | 09:30 |
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| cameris | onto another topic. is there a way to add a custom alarm screen? from what I read in the main qml from jolla-alarm-ui there are just those 3 predefined. | 09:34 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Are you coming to watch intel talk about Tizen @ happyhackingday? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: i'm in poland | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:34 |
| sharpneli | :( | 09:34 |
| tbr | so intel still pretends tizen isn't dead, interesting | 09:35 |
| sharpneli | Temporarily or you live there? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: well, the talk is about crosswalk | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | which is an interesting project | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | with better proposition than whole of tizen | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: i like to think of it as temporary but it looks more or less permanent now.. | 09:36 |
| sharpneli | Intel has 2 talks here. One for Tizen and one for Crosswalk | 09:36 |
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| locusf | looking good on releasing the browser source code :) | 09:51 |
| Yaniel | where? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser | 09:56 |
| Yaniel | btw I suddenly agree that ambiences need some customizability | 09:56 |
| Yaniel | cool | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | my slide from FOSDEM about 'unless you get permission' in action | 09:57 |
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| Yaniel | haven't seen that | 09:57 |
| Yaniel | (so I made an ambience from a picture that IMO has dominant colours dark red & bright orange and jolla decided that the right highlight colour for it would be... pink?) | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: hehe same heme | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | *here | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/SailfishFOSDEM2014_vfinal.pdf | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | piano photo, so black and white, ambience decided to be ... magent | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | +a | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | What we contribute: slie | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | i would rather put gold yellow or steelblue | 09:59 |
| Yaniel | ah but b&w is a special case | 09:59 |
| Yaniel | and rather tricky | 09:59 |
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| Yaniel | and has been worked around | 10:00 |
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| Yaniel | but I'd rather not make my hand-drawn fire black&white :D | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo | anyway, custom color in ambience would be great | 10:01 |
| TheBootroo | already a post on TJC ? | 10:01 |
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| locusf | probably more to come on that repo | 10:02 |
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| bwallberg | Finally my Jolla arrived! Still In picking according to the shop though, won't complain :D | 10:03 |
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| stephg | congrats bwallberg | 10:07 |
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| cyber_fusion | I love my jolla | 10:08 |
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| zutto | and now the important question is | 10:09 |
| zutto | do you also make love to your jolla? | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo | zutto: O.o | 10:09 |
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| zutto | sorry, couldnt resist :P | 10:09 |
| special | please remember that exposure to liquids may void your warranty | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo | O.O | 10:09 |
| Acce | zutto: idea: a TOH that enables you to make love to your Jolla | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo | O.o LVL : ITS OVER 9000 ! | 10:10 |
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| zutto | TheBootroo: yes, indeed | 10:10 |
| w00t | I don't even want to imagine what that would do to the ambience | 10:10 |
| zutto | Acce: i wish you best of luck to proceed with that idea | 10:10 |
| Acce | we need both male and female versions :D | 10:10 |
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| bwallberg | ... | 10:11 |
| TheBootroo | my last app (Feed'me) is stuck in QA since 2 days, are they reviewing it soon(TM) or very soon(TM) | 10:11 |
| Acce | TheBootroo: it usually takes about 3 days for me | 10:11 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: ok | 10:11 |
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| TheBootroo | i just hope i'll have it accepted at first shot | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | i spent a LOT of time polishing it | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | to avoid spend 3 days at each re-submission | 10:12 |
| Acce | if you ran the rpm-validator and everything passed ok, I doubt there will be problems | 10:12 |
| TheBootroo | rpm-validator ? in sdk ? | 10:13 |
| Acce | yep | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | they don't only check rpm sanity | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | they also check performances, ui integration, power consuming | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | etc | 10:14 |
| Acce | yes | 10:14 |
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| Acce | but if you didn't experience anything weird, felt it integrates well, and maybe you even checked powertop / know it doesn't do any hard processing | 10:15 |
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| Acce | in that case I wouldn't be too worried | 10:15 |
| Acce | what does your app do, if I may ask? | 10:15 |
| Acce | it should be revealed to me in a day or two anyways though :P | 10:15 |
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| TheBootroo | Acce: a Feedly client | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | with offline mode | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | and superb (imho) UI | 10:16 |
| Acce | hmm.. no idea what that service is | 10:16 |
| Acce | what is Feedly good for? | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | Cloud RSS/Atom aggregator | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | the best GoogleReader successor | 10:16 |
| Acce | ah | 10:17 |
| Acce | so I can read rss feeds with it? | 10:17 |
| TheBootroo | yep | 10:17 |
| TheBootroo | and sync them between several machines as it's cloud | 10:17 |
| Acce | hmm, do I need an owncloud installation? | 10:17 |
| TheBootroo | nope | 10:17 |
| TheBootroo | its already hosted at cloud.feedly.com | 10:18 |
| Acce | ok | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | you can log in with google account or twitter account or facebook | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | or other OAuth services | 10:18 |
| Acce | sounds like nice service | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | yep it is | 10:18 |
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| TheBootroo | i had bad time trying to replace GoogleReader | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | now it's done | 10:18 |
| Acce | so, I'll look forward to testing your app :) | 10:19 |
| TheBootroo | hhe | 10:19 |
| suy | I'll take a look too. But with owncloud or newsblur at least you have the source of the server side, and you can self host, or change provider. Is feedly open? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | out of interest, what's owncloud requirements? | 10:20 |
| Acce | requirements for what? server machine? | 10:20 |
| tbr | runs on armv6 AFAIR | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | i have this random idea of http://cubox-i.com/ + sailfish | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | so | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | suy: not really | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | but they have nice API really | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | and i was looking for hosted service for my part, don't have time to own cloud | 10:22 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: owncloud in that cube? | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | this cubox thing looks interesting... | 10:22 |
| suy | TheBootroo: openshift is free, and you can install owncloud with just clicks on the web interface. Can't get easier than that :) | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | wow, and not that expensive | 10:23 |
| Acce | if it can run linux, I guess it can host owncloud | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo | suy: but finally it won't be my OWN server | 10:23 |
| tachikoma | do they have distributors in europe as well? | 10:23 |
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| Acce | atleast for one persons usage | 10:23 |
| Acce | don't know how the requirements scale up if it's multiuser installation | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | any writer from JollaUsers here ? | 10:24 |
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| suy | TheBootroo: that's as close as your own server as it can be. You can log in to their instance, for example. If you only host owncloud in an openshift gear you have access to everything you need. | 10:25 |
| Acce | http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/CuBox_as_a_Cloud_with_OwnCloud | 10:25 |
| Acce | there's something | 10:25 |
| Sail0r | but with dsl at home owncloud is not so cool | 10:26 |
| Sail0r | i prefer my rootserver ^^ | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | Sail0r: depends on your connection | 10:26 |
| Sail0r | germany :x | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | ok, use rootserver then | 10:27 |
| tachikoma | ;) | 10:27 |
| Sail0r | the best you can get is 10 - 25mbps | 10:27 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 10:27 |
| Sail0r | xD | 10:27 |
| Sail0r | upload download is faster ^^ | 10:27 |
| Acce | this thing looks quite good for a small home media / local cloud / whatever | 10:27 |
| Sail0r | looks much better then raspberry | 10:27 |
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| Acce | has few usb ports so it can be easily used as fileserver too | 10:27 |
| tachikoma | yeah, raspberry for such server stuff - i never really thought itt to be great for that | 10:28 |
| Acce | the main page says it's sold out, wonder how much this thing costs | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | i rather use it for automation tasks and robot control and so on, there it is perfect for | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | Acce: the biggest one 130$ | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | thats with 2g ram and quadcore yaddayadda | 10:29 |
| Acce | not bad I guess | 10:29 |
| Acce | it's inside a cute box, after all | 10:29 |
| tachikoma | yes | 10:29 |
| tachikoma | nice, from israel, need to chekout the tax situation | 10:30 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: what is your idea, or is it a new Jolla business idea? :) sell these things with cloud 'n stuff preinstalled together with Jolla? | 10:31 |
| TheBootroo | does ownCloud installs on Nginx or do i need Apache ? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: just loose idea really | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: I'd buy it ;) | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/All-CuBox/ | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | ah, europe shipping | 10:31 |
| Acce | I think many users would like it, if it would be modified as a Jolla docking station | 10:32 |
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| * pahartik got "SolidRun CuBox Pro" some weeks ago (Marvell Armada, not Freescale i.MX), runs "Debian GNU/Linux armhf" well but appropriate GPU drivers are not yet finished for current Linux kernels | 10:33 | |
| suy | TheBootroo: at least the debian package accepts any http daemon, including nginx | 10:33 |
| tachikoma | pahartik: what gpu does it have? | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | suy: i have a private server | 10:34 |
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| suy | so I assume any installation will do. You need lots of php packages for some stuff though | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | that i use for Git and all | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | ubuntu 13.04 on it | 10:34 |
| Waitee | centos 6 masterrace | 10:34 |
| suy | TheBootroo: yep, I tend to use source directly for those things on my server too, but it was easier to check the dependencies on the package :) | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | ne, das sind die gentoo user | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | die masterasse | 10:35 |
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| TheBootroo | suy: deps : apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common curl libapache2-mod-php5 libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libcurl3 libpq5 owncloud php-pear php-xml-parser php5 php5-curl php5-intl php5-pgsql php5-sqlite | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | http://funroll-loops.info/ <- still one of my all time internet favourites :) | 10:35 |
| TheBootroo | see too many apache things... | 10:35 |
| pahartik | tachikoma: It is "Dove/Vivante" | 10:36 |
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| tachikoma | pahartik: thx, the moment i read marvel i started to get nervous | 10:37 |
| suy | TheBootroo: mmm, on debian it requres "apache2 | httpd", so it might be a bug in their packaging. Which version has ubuntu? | 10:37 |
| tachikoma | but seems that the gpu at least does get some dupport and development is actually happening | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo | suy: 5.0.7 | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo | suy: and apache2 / httpd != nginx | 10:38 |
| pahartik | tachikoma: Support is supposedly almost ready for "Linux 3.10" and "Linux 3.13+" | 10:38 |
| suy | TheBootroo: 5.something here. httpd is a virtual package that is provided by nginx. | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | I have heard the nginx source is pretty scary | 10:39 |
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| sharpneli | tachikoma: Thats funny because it's quite true. And I say this as a ex gentoo user. | 10:39 |
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| tachikoma | pahartik: i'm just looking at https://github.com/laanwj/etna_viv | 10:39 |
| tachikoma | sharpneli: yes, they are true statements - and i think everyone met at least one gentoo user that fits this page ;) | 10:39 |
| tachikoma | i mean not "true statemebnts" but "real statements" | 10:40 |
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| sharpneli | Yap. I still love the racer attitude to some degree tho :) | 10:40 |
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| pahartik | tachikoma: It is very nice tiny workstation once GPU acceleration is in place | 10:42 |
| tachikoma | it looks like it, if they are back in stock i might consider getting one | 10:43 |
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| tbr | yunta: mamy sprawę do pana z ballockiem. trza Ż naprawić. prześlę ci szota. | 10:57 |
| tango_ | wut | 11:03 |
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| tbr | tango_: just a public heads up that I mailed him some bug info | 11:07 |
| tango_ | lol ok | 11:07 |
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| AL13N_work | is the code block https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/howto-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/#post-id-26615 invisible for other people too? | 11:22 |
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| AL13N_work | eleroux: ping | 11:23 |
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| yunta | tbr: lol | 11:24 |
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| eleroux | AL13N_work: pong | 11:25 |
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| chem|st | eleroux: pong | 11:27 |
| wickwire | Hi guys, I'm working on a SailfishOS App for Jolla, if anyone would like to try it out and give feedback, it would be great | 11:27 |
| wickwire | https://wickwire@bitbucket.org/wickwire/sailfishos-apps.git | 11:27 |
| AL13N_work | eleroux: the code block in the link above is white on white and no selection makes it visible | 11:28 |
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| AL13N_work | is this my browser going bad, or something different | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | FF24.2 | 11:28 |
| AL13N_work | eleroux: see https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/howto-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/#post-id-26615 | 11:29 |
| nephros | AL13N_work: looks fine here, IE8 | 11:29 |
| chem|st | wickwire: link https://bitbucket.org/wickwire/sailfishos-apps not your login git... | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | nephros: did you refresh the style-sheets? | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | it seems they had changed | 11:29 |
| chem|st | wickwire: ehrm binary without source? | 11:30 |
| wickwire | chem|st: sorry, that's correct | 11:30 |
| nephros | AL13N_work: I did nothing, first time opening together on this machine in this browser. Opera 12.16win64 also looks OK. | 11:30 |
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| chem|st | wickwire: no sane person installs binaries from an unknown source | 11:31 |
| nephros | surely not something playing with my ssh keys anyway. | 11:32 |
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| AL13N_work | eleroux: 'color: rgb(37, 39, 43) !important;' <--- is this valid? i've never known this before | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | can't seem to override the color though, so maybe browser is going nuts, i'm gonna restart browser | 11:35 |
| Turski | wow, clock does not answer :P | 11:36 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, color is back, must be something on my end... i didn't even restart browser yet | 11:36 |
| eleroux | AL13N_work: caching issue likely on Askbot end. Typically browser refresh and you should be fine, any browser actually. We're working on improving... | 11:38 |
| AL13N_work | possibly, though i refreshed about 10 times, only the last one showed it, but then i needed another refresh for the gravatar to show :-) | 11:40 |
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| AL13N_work | eleroux: on my projects, i ended up consolidating the css from the page generation into one CSS, and inline the small images as data: url's into the css as well... and use the caching to get the right css file :-) | 11:42 |
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| wickwire | chem|ist nephros I'll reconfigure bitbucket | 12:02 |
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| naali | [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1223 - Error: "No URI handler implemented for "rtsp"." | 12:20 |
| naali | :( | 12:20 |
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| naali | ahhh, jake just told me that it's not supported... | 12:21 |
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| wickwire | chem|st , nephros https://bitbucket.org/wickwire/sailfishos-onesshot | 12:29 |
| wickwire | I think I've managed to make it open | 12:29 |
| wickwire | It still has at least two issues I'm trying to solve, | 12:29 |
| wickwire | but it should work | 12:29 |
| wickwire | the app that is | 12:30 |
| wickwire | the keys are generated and stored in the app's directory | 12:30 |
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| wickwire | I've been trying to test power consumption but haven't really got the hang of it yet | 12:31 |
| wickwire | I had an animation running on the cover, I took that out | 12:31 |
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| wickwire | because apparently the app was consuming too much power and it might be related to that | 12:32 |
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| wickwire | I've added a test example of a command that can be used, in case the remote host is a linux machine | 12:32 |
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| wickwire | I've been testing it with this command > echo 'SailfishOS: '`date +'%y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` > /tmp/onesshot.tmp | 12:39 |
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| wickwire | I've added the sample command to the README.md | 12:44 |
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| wickwire | admittedly the code could be better, but I'm still learning Qt and QML | 12:49 |
| wickwire | I plan on improving it regularly | 12:49 |
| starkers | I wish I could start running jolla on my old phones :( | 12:52 |
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| kor | it works somewhat on n9:s | 12:55 |
| tachikoma | i want it on a tablet | 12:56 |
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| Yaniel | okay on my laptop it looks slightly less bad: http://imgur.com/8SEmO22 | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | and I can kind of guess how it ends up with that colour | 12:59 |
| Yaniel | but it does not fit in too well | 13:00 |
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| kor | wow that's nice | 13:08 |
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| sharpneli | Tizen talk is starting. Still no devices. | 13:39 |
| Mirv | so sad | 13:41 |
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| Wnt | sharpneli: You can build one yourself ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJHSnZLusA | 13:49 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. First purchase a chip fab ;) | 13:50 |
| sharpneli | It's sad that tizen doesn't support sdl | 13:50 |
| sharpneli | You have to use their own funku C++ api | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | didn't tizen have like a smartphone company backing it? | 13:51 |
| tbr | samsung and intel | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | then *why* is there no device yet :D | 13:52 |
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| sharpneli | For Samsung it's to bring some security if google decides to play hardball | 13:53 |
| cameris | is samsung still supporting it after their deal with google? | 13:53 |
| sharpneli | For Intel it's continuation of meego | 13:53 |
| sharpneli | Intel, the company which ruined maemo :( | 13:54 |
| Yaniel | still it's a dead fish in the ocean if nothing is running it | 13:54 |
| sharpneli | Well samsung is still mentioned on these slides | 13:54 |
| sharpneli | The guy doesn't sound too confident about a device coming anytime soon | 13:58 |
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| Hartzi | I met some guy from intel and he said that as far as he knew tizen mobile is dead. | 14:04 |
| Hartzi | tizen will continue in ivi | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | and then ivi will die and continue in zcndonge߃ which will die and continue in oko-54√linux which will die and continue in ... | 14:06 |
| Sail0r | what is ivi? | 14:07 |
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| cameris | invehicle infotaiment or something like that | 14:07 |
| Sail0r | ah k | 14:07 |
| Sail0r | thx | 14:08 |
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| FIQ | explains why I haven't heard anything about tizen for the last year or so | 14:11 |
| jukkaeklund_ | your next Jaguar runs Tizen (https://lists.tizen.org/pipermail/ivi/2013-September/001030.html) :p | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | I'm going to have a Jaguar? sweet! | 14:13 |
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| Mnsu | a nice excuse for a geek to buy a fancy car, "just supporting linux" | 14:15 |
| jussi | BMW are also working on a tizen/tizenlike system.... | 14:15 |
| jussi | http://telematicsnews.info/2011/01/26/bmw-to-launch-genivi-based-infotainment-developed-with-magneti-and-wind-river_j2262/ | 14:15 |
| jussi | (old one, but still) | 14:15 |
| jussi | this one has some other info... http://blogs.mentor.com/embedded/blog/2013/05/01/delivering-genivi-ivi-systems/ | 14:16 |
| cameris | tbh I don't want any of that in my car. | 14:16 |
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| MMx | cameris: so go choose Ford SYNC. It says "by Microsoft" in the fine-print. ;þ | 14:19 |
| jussi | cameris: go buy a ford with windows then :P | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | i just want a car with shitty android on it and fastboot protocol open and kernel source available. | 14:19 |
| ballock | I saw a Fiat Punto with Windows too | 14:19 |
| Sail0r | Audi and co are in the android alliance | 14:20 |
| Sail0r | but i don't think they would provide a open bootloader | 14:20 |
| cameris | what I meant was, I don't want any infortainment system in my car. | 14:21 |
| jussi | http://www.cnbc.com/id/100896791 | 14:21 |
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| kehnoo | I just want aux-in for my Jolla :p | 14:21 |
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| Sail0r | I just want a tablet of my choice connected to the car with a adapter and app which provides the needed functions like climate control and so on | 14:23 |
| Sail0r | so in short just a docking station for various devices | 14:23 |
| kehnoo | why would you want to fiddle with climate control if it's automatic apart from occasional defrost? | 14:24 |
| Sail0r | just to a just the temp via the touch interface ;) | 14:24 |
| Sail0r | or show the current temp on the display | 14:25 |
| kehnoo | eh, there should be chunky, easy to read dial you can turn with mittens on | 14:25 |
| Sail0r | bmw also displays much climate information on there builtin tft | 14:25 |
| kehnoo | this touch buttons frenzy should end | 14:25 |
| Sail0r | manual buttons in the car are also ok but visualisation could be on the tablet | 14:26 |
| cameris | kehnoo total ACK | 14:26 |
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| Sail0r | that's how my car does it manual buttons for loudness temperature and so on | 14:26 |
| Sail0r | but visualised on the touch screen | 14:26 |
| Sail0r | and touch is mainly for navigation | 14:26 |
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| Sail0r | but you are right only touch like on the Tesla S is pain | 14:27 |
| Sail0r | with no haptic feedback during driving this is a accident producer | 14:28 |
| kehnoo | yeah, it's clearly made for sunny california where people don't have cold mornings | 14:28 |
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| radekp__ | hi, this is my first application if someone wants to try: | 15:35 |
| radekp__ | https://github.com/radekp/jolla-battery-monitor/releases/download/v0.1/jolla-battery-monitor-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 15:35 |
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| radekp__ | it shows battery info and displays discharging graph | 15:35 |
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| thedead1440 | evening Stskeeps :) | 15:41 |
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| tango_ | I love it when settings doesn't start anymore | 16:04 |
| tango_ | oh wait | 16:04 |
| tango_ | here it is | 16:04 |
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| tango_ | no wait again | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | sometimes it takes looong | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | or just crashes at start 3 times in a row | 16:05 |
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| Yaniel | I'm not sure which one | 16:05 |
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| tango_ | ok it doesn't start from the whatsitcalled screen | 16:05 |
| tango_ | the unlock screen | 16:05 |
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| Yaniel | the lock screen? | 16:07 |
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| eyea | jolla )olla J0Lla joh | 16:19 |
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| Yaniel | whut | 16:19 |
| jubo2 | When it goes IPO on NYSE it's quote will be JLLA | 16:19 |
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| jubo2 | it's cooler and besides it a fun reference to a nice swedish movie.. | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/veskuh/sailfish-browser/blob/77d6dc9a4cd0cfbaeda58af5b961cb884151aae0/design/sailfish-browser-6.jpg - nice | 16:20 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: maybe, then one you get when you unlock the phone and you can swipe down to get to settings/audio/camera/whatevers | 16:22 |
| jubo2 | Where are the instructions to get the Android softwares without stupid Яндекс.ru store working ? | 16:22 |
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| jubo2 | I want to have FireFox | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | tango_: when you double tap the screen you usually end up at the lock screen | 16:22 |
| jubo2 | that's available for Android | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | swipe up and you are in the task switcher | 16:22 |
| jubo2 | that or someone fix the Яндекс-store for me | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | + 1st row of launcher icons | 16:22 |
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| Yaniel | swipe down again and you get the launcher | 16:24 |
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| tango_ | Yaniel: then from the lock screen | 16:25 |
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| Yaniel | you can't start anything from there | 16:25 |
| tango_ | yes you can open the settings | 16:25 |
| tango_ | from the pulley | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | ah right | 16:25 |
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| Yaniel | I never use the pulley for anything but mute/unmute | 16:26 |
| tango_ | settings from there is what isn't working righ now | 16:26 |
| Yaniel | works for me | 16:26 |
| Yaniel | does it open when you start it via the launcher? | 16:26 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: instantly | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | interesting | 16:27 |
| tango_ | rebooting will probably fix the issue but I would rather try debugging it first | 16:28 |
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| tango_ | Yaniel: correction: from the launcher it starts _sometimes_ | 16:28 |
| tango_ | wtf now it's not starting at all from there either | 16:28 |
| tango_ | shall I try from the command line? | 16:28 |
| Yaniel | go ahead | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | actually open two terminals | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | one for journalctl | 16:29 |
| tango_ | wait | 16:29 |
| tango_ | now it opened | 16:29 |
| CraigA | I'm not sure if this should be the case, but any time I've tried that 4G switcher, I am unable to connect to mobile internet to run a speed test. I'm in Canada, on a network with 2600 band 7. I'm not worried right now because LTE is still a WIP, but I just didn't know why it wouldn't work | 16:29 |
| tango_ | jesus | 16:29 |
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| tango_ | Yaniel: I can open two terminals? | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | yes | 16:29 |
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| Yaniel | in the menu there is a button "new window" | 16:29 |
| tango_ | oh that | 16:30 |
| tango_ | of course | 16:30 |
| tango_ | so | 16:30 |
| tango_ | in one terminal I launch journalctl | 16:30 |
| tango_ | just like that? | 16:30 |
| Yaniel | umm | 16:30 |
| Yaniel | no, some flags are usually recommended | 16:30 |
| * tango_ is totally ignorant of journalctl | 16:31 | |
| Yaniel | hmm -blfxm | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | and pipe that to a file, it might be a lot | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: apparently you can get it from play store and T store too | 16:34 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: that's interesting | 16:34 |
| jubo2 | do I have an app for the play store | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | nope | 16:35 |
| jubo2 | or should I do the disinformation age dork and googel in browser | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | some people have got it installed & working | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | or you could look around and try to get hold of a .apk | 16:36 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: I see.. Does this require infoautomagique skillzorz ? | 16:36 |
| Yaniel | setting up play store yes | 16:36 |
| Yaniel | finding an apk no | 16:36 |
| jubo2 | .apk is the file extension ? | 16:37 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: journalctl: invalid option -- 'x' | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | drop that then | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | I just skimmed through journalctl --help on my desktop | 16:37 |
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| Yaniel | it may have some slight differences | 16:38 |
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| jubo2 | Why sometimes I cannot gesture zoom in the emails and it seems sometimes I can ? | 16:39 |
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| tachikoma | html can zoom, text only can not? | 16:40 |
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| jubo2 | tachikoma: with my Jolla? no. | 16:41 |
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| jubo2 | I'm looking at an HTML email from Twitter and it's not zooming out and in with pinch and widen | 16:42 |
| Yaniel | hrhr, sweaty hands: the nightmare of all touchscreens | 16:42 |
| Yaniel | except resisitive ones I guess | 16:42 |
| tachikoma | no, i mean - if the mail is anhtml mail - it gets renderd with something understanding html. When it is a text only mail then thsi rendering might not occur and my suspicion was that zooming works only for rendered content | 16:42 |
| tachikoma | but that is just a guess | 16:42 |
| tachikoma | jubo2: ok, so my idea is wrong | 16:43 |
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| jubo2 | tachikoma: I appreciate the theory still | 16:45 |
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| Venemo | nah | 16:53 |
| Venemo | I've been using my LE TOH for a few days now | 16:53 |
| Venemo | the device feels completely different | 16:53 |
| jubo2 | I saw Stallman speak at the happy hacking day | 16:53 |
| Venemo | yes? | 16:54 |
| clau | LE TOH? | 16:54 |
| jubo2 | I don h4x, I just don't. I do spaghetti. Try some. http://develop.consumerium.org/wiki/User:Juboxi/Kitchenblog has some pasta-able stuff | 16:54 |
| tbr | limited edition | 16:54 |
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| jubo2 | I think the length of a Mandelbrot fractal's border is infinitely long when projected onto integer dimensions | 16:57 |
| jubo2 | as to how that is relevant I've no clue | 16:58 |
| Venemo | clau: limited edition the other half | 16:59 |
| clau | ah, the poppy red one. | 16:59 |
| Venemo | yes | 16:59 |
| Venemo | it's more like orangy red | 17:00 |
| jubo2 | Do you folks know what is one of the most beautiful proofs of a thing's dimension being fractal.. "it's over n and it's under n + 1 dimensions. proved." | 17:00 |
| clau | it really feels different. | 17:00 |
| Venemo | looks like a ripe orange or mandarin | 17:00 |
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| clau | I noticed that you can get a new phone with one of the new toh for 419€. | 17:01 |
| clau | any idea if you still get the white one too? | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | Venemo: I just got around to making myself a new ambience for that OH | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | but it decided the highlight colour should be salmon/pink -.- | 17:02 |
| PeperJohnny | Does anyone know if the mail client supports tls 1.2? | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | Venemo: http://imgur.com/8SEmO22 | 17:02 |
| stephg | Yaniel, very nice | 17:03 |
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| Yaniel | thanks | 17:03 |
| Yaniel | the image is actually originally meant for a wallpaper to help me remember weekdays in japanese | 17:04 |
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| Yaniel | but it turned out to work nicely as an ambience too :) | 17:04 |
| Yaniel | ...except for that pink | 17:04 |
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| clau | Yaniel: beautiful | 17:07 |
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| Acce | Yaniel: learned japanese for a long time? | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | about 2 years | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | not too actively though | 17:12 |
| Yaniel | - http://yaniel.users.paivola.fi/images/weekdays-1920x1080.png the wallpaper, in case someone is interested | 17:12 |
| Acce | nice, and cool ambiences | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | an ambience for each day of the week :D | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | hmh I guess I should actually try that | 17:13 |
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| Acce | yeah, better yet would be if they would change automatically | 17:13 |
| Acce | when day changes :P | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | yep | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | isnt there a commandline tool for changing ambiences? | 17:14 |
| Acce | I think someone asked around about it | 17:14 |
| Acce | in TJC or here | 17:14 |
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| Yaniel | hmm there is ambienced which listens to dbus | 17:14 |
| Acce | so a dbus call, maybe | 17:15 |
| Yaniel | (the excuse to try out how that works as an ambience was actually to distinguish my device from others on the hackday in a couple of weeks :D) | 17:16 |
| Acce | I've never used dbus anywhere so don't know how it really works, but in TJC there was thread where they told how to issue dbus calls from cli | 17:16 |
| Acce | Yaniel: :) | 17:16 |
| Acce | I'm just using some nice space pictures currently | 17:16 |
| Acce | like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be1vJmZIAAAC4Z3.jpg | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | hey cool | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | that one got a nice highlight colour as well | 17:19 |
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| Acce | yeah | 17:19 |
| Acce | and currently I have one which makes it light blue | 17:19 |
| Acce | which is very nice to read I think | 17:19 |
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| Acce | this: http://foximity.net/kaikkea/jollaa/ambi/20140211192019.jpg | 17:21 |
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| Yaniel | uhuh | 17:22 |
| Acce | but the images are not self-made, so it's kind of cheating :) | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | ^^ | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | but hey, space is awesome | 17:22 |
| Acce | yep :P | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | at least in artistic scifi | 17:22 |
| Acce | they make nice backgrounds, at least | 17:23 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 17:23 |
| Yaniel | I should work on my hand-painting skills.. a lot http://yaniel.users.paivola.fi/images/mutatedshroom.png | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | I could even become a halfway decent artist someday | 17:25 |
| Acce | but I hope they will make the stuff that changing ambience changes stuff like the 4 apps in the homescreen | 17:25 |
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| Yaniel | hmm | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | yeah that would be useful | 17:26 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | there are gconf values for ambiance colors | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | where? :o | 17:26 |
| Acce | Well, the Flames of Tuesday were better than those shrooms :D | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | absolutely | 17:26 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | dunno out of my head | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | but they didn't really require me to draw stuff by hand :D | 17:27 |
| Acce | https://together.jolla.com/question/11783/how-to-fine-tune-ambiences-colors-used/ | 17:27 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | stumbled once over them | 17:27 |
| Acce | here's related TJC thread | 17:27 |
| Acce | actually thread which only links to the solution | 17:27 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | ah thp, that cheater :) | 17:28 |
| stephg | seeing as we're showing and telling | 17:30 |
| stephg | http://imgur.com/d8cOj3V | 17:30 |
| stephg | a disproportionate number of mine (based of usually seaside pictures) are blueish | 17:30 |
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| Acce | hmm, can you browse this somehow? | 17:31 |
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| Acce | or just one? | 17:31 |
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| stephg | Acce talking to me? | 17:33 |
| Yaniel | or do you mean gconftool-2 -R / | 17:33 |
| Acce | stephg: yes | 17:33 |
| stephg | that's just the one | 17:33 |
| Acce | oh | 17:33 |
| stephg | I have a handful of others | 17:34 |
| stephg | but would need to upload them | 17:34 |
| Acce | ah, I misread your text | 17:34 |
| Acce | I thought you link has a number of your ambiences ^^' | 17:34 |
| stephg | but they do all end up 'blue': the ambience I mean | 17:34 |
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| stephg | no but I can do later | 17:34 |
| Acce | it's cool to see what other people use | 17:34 |
| Yaniel | ah, much better now | 17:35 |
| stephg | yeah, imo some sort of sharing thing (either via the store or whatever) would be very cool IMO | 17:35 |
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| Acce | I should ask my sister draw something, she's great with a tablet pen | 17:38 |
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| Acce | she's actually drawing all characters / some sprites for a game I'm going to make :D | 17:38 |
| Acce | I appreciate that, since I can't draw a sh*t myself | 17:38 |
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| Yaniel | http://imgur.com/VyB2GMj,8SEmO22 <- my colour choice first, jolla's second | 17:42 |
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| Acce | Yaniel: hmm, makes me wonder what is the method the software decides the highlight color | 17:43 |
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| Yaniel | my guess is some histogram-based most common hue/saturation thing | 17:44 |
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| Yaniel | the highlight colour I chose is by far not the most common there | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | but I guess it is the most noticeable or something? | 17:46 |
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| Yaniel | this calls for psychovisual analysis! :D | 17:49 |
| Acce | yep :D | 17:49 |
| Acce | whatever that means | 17:49 |
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| Yaniel | uhh something around the lines of how we perceive what we see ^^ | 17:51 |
| Acce | ah | 17:52 |
| Acce | almost philosophical | 17:52 |
| Yaniel | that's psychology for you :D | 17:53 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | Venemo: btw number of lines shouldn't go back to zero on reconnect. | 18:06 |
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| Yaniel | maybe I should try drawing with a tablet, might go a bit betteer than with a mouse | 18:14 |
| Yaniel | but I like this other kind of "drawing" aka rendering more :D | 18:15 |
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| Yaniel | it's more programmer art -like | 18:15 |
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| jubo2 | RMS told us ( the audience ) that Windows and OS X and iOS are malware | 18:20 |
| jubo2 | he had 3 classes of different malware that were found in Windows | 18:20 |
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| Pnuu | does he still use wget to browse the web? :-P | 18:20 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: maybe he likes lynx | 18:20 |
| Acce | links ftw | 18:21 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: he spoke for almost 2 hrs | 18:21 |
| jubo2 | http://www.happyhackingday.org/ | 18:21 |
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| Pnuu | I hope someone ask "do you use linux-based OS?" | 18:22 |
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| jubo2 | Then he's like "It should be called Gnu plus Linux or GNU/Linux | 18:22 |
| Pnuu | yup | 18:23 |
| reviewjolla | iOS is profitware. They kicked last bitcoin wallet out of the app store | 18:23 |
| jubo2 | The distributed minting of digicoins would be interesting if the minter and the coin buyer didn't collude to defraud the system | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Pnuu: i hope nobody asked him about jolla.. | 18:25 |
| jubo2 | the collusion to defraud or outlaw all unauthized payments | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | we're not exactly the RMS phone. | 18:25 |
| Yaniel | is there even such a thing? | 18:25 |
| jubo2 | don't want obviously give up cash money | 18:26 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: :-D | 18:26 |
| Yaniel | well, besides the good ol' wired one with a dial wheel | 18:26 |
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| Pnuu | Stskeeps: I guess nothing is enough RMS-like for RMS :-P | 18:26 |
| reviewjolla | dial wheel TOH, one here please | 18:27 |
| tbr | IIRC not even that longsoon laptop that he's using is not exactly what he wants | 18:27 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: or two yoghurt cups and a length of string | 18:27 |
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| Yaniel | that is probably even better | 18:28 |
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| Yaniel | doesn't involve all that proprietary operator crap | 18:28 |
| Acce | reviewjolla: challenge accepted! time frame uncertain though :D | 18:28 |
| reviewjolla | :D | 18:29 |
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| tbr | well an impulse counter isn't really that hard, I bet there's some arduino or other µC code to do that, then just send that out via i²c, ..., profit! | 18:31 |
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| Acce | tbr: yep, should be simple enough, but still needs time :) | 18:31 |
| reviewjolla | Acce: You have a right sized wheel ready? Can't send one, mine's too big. | 18:31 |
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| Acce | but, the dev pcb should speed things up | 18:32 |
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| reviewjolla | Impulse can be translated to DTMF with mic I suppose | 18:32 |
| Acce | reviewjolla: hmm, ill just hoard some old phone from somewhere :p true retro resurrected~! | 18:32 |
| reviewjolla | It would be something to pull that out of a pocket in a mtng ;) | 18:33 |
| tbr | http://www.instructables.com/id/Interface-a-rotary-phone-dial-to-an-Arduino/ | 18:34 |
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| reviewjolla | nice catch tbr | 18:34 |
| tbr | no need for dtmf, just send the number to the dialer | 18:35 |
| reviewjolla | In a retro, the phone listened the amount of clicks. That would be the real thing. | 18:36 |
| AL13N | btw: i thought RMS was backing the dead-ish Tizen? | 18:36 |
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| AL13N | maybe the blackphone brings something interesting | 18:36 |
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| reviewjolla | "listened"... They were actually short I/0 breaks | 18:38 |
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| Sail0r | I don't understand why the blackphone will be based on android | 18:42 |
| Sail0r | is it a good architecture for such a project? | 18:42 |
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| tbr | I don't understand why it will be closed source if it's about security and encryption | 18:48 |
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| Sail0r | that's also a good question | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: to employ sekret alkorithmz | 18:48 |
| Sail0r | and a reason why i won't buy one | 18:48 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: competitive advantage is an answer, but the result is loss of credibility in significant parts of the target audience | 18:50 |
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| Sail0r | I did not find any sheet how device lock is done at sailfishos can anybody explain? Does it encrypt all partitions or how does it work? | 18:51 |
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| vatte | apparently someone on the finnish jolla-forum had their random shutdown issues solved by sending the phone to repair where they replaced the battery | 19:04 |
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| Stskeeps | vatte: might be simply because of the 10 minute pull out | 19:05 |
| vatte | maybe, but he did an update to the post 3 days later | 19:05 |
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| vatte | saying it hadn't shut down at all after the service | 19:06 |
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| vatte | maybe (?) an interesting sidenote is that they had also replaced his SIM card holder or something like that | 19:08 |
| vatte | because he had the sim card disconnecting -issue | 19:08 |
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| Sail0r | could he make a picture of the "new" sim holder? | 19:09 |
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| vatte | here is the thread: http://foorumi.jollasuomi.fi/index.php/topic,240.60.html | 19:12 |
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| Nicd- | vatte: thanks for the link, I'll have to see about that | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | currently no shutdowns for almost 48 hours since I did the 10 minute thing | 19:26 |
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| vatte | for me, the 10 minute removal only helped for a day or so when I first did it, less afterwards. I just factory resetted (again), this time I won't update the OS to see if that does something | 19:29 |
| Nicd- | this was the second time I did the 10 minute removal | 19:29 |
| slate | hmm, mesages app, pull down for now message, go one step forward to nothing and the ui fades and gets stuck | 19:29 |
| slate | anyone can confirm? | 19:29 |
| slate | now*new | 19:29 |
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| Nicd- | slate: one step forward? | 19:30 |
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| slate | like, to the empty slot above new message | 19:30 |
| slate | then release | 19:30 |
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| Nicd- | in the pulley menu? | 19:30 |
| slate | yup | 19:30 |
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| Nicd- | can't confirm | 19:30 |
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| Nicd- | it leaves the menu open like it should on mine | 19:30 |
| Sail0r | cool http://wiki.winehq.org/FOSDEM2014?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wine-on-android-fosdem-2014.pdf | 19:31 |
| pdanek | Can't confirm as well. -> same behavior like Nicd. | 19:31 |
| slate | need to take a vid tomorrow | 19:31 |
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| slate | hmm, does not seem to happen every time | 19:34 |
| slate | needs more monkeybusiness | 19:34 |
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| pdanek | How are Jolla sales lately? | 19:40 |
| pdanek | Because nobody, literally nobody from my friends or people I know, has it. | 19:40 |
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| pdanek | Basically I don't know anyone out of this IRC with Jolla. | 19:41 |
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| fk_lx | pdanek: hard to say, they've hidden downloads indicator in Jolla Store apps, so you cannot check anymore how many people have "clock" (read how many people have Jolla) | 19:41 |
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| Sail0r | i know 3 people out of this irc who have a jolla ^^ | 19:41 |
| slate | out from top10 at DNA, the operator who sells it | 19:41 |
| slate | last month | 19:41 |
| mikma | i know 3 people out of irc and in irc (same persons) that have a jolla | 19:41 |
| pdanek | well, DNA is Finland | 19:42 |
| slate | ye | 19:42 |
| pdanek | I'm speaking about outside of Finland. | 19:42 |
| fk_lx | I mean now it's 10000+, which means that it can be 15000, 20000, 30000 .... | 19:42 |
| slate | mikma: WHO IS YOU | 19:42 |
| pdanek | I have no doubt it's very popular in FInland. | 19:42 |
| clau | would have been nice to at least make public the number of preorders. | 19:42 |
| mikma | slate: itsa mee, mikmaaaa | 19:42 |
| slate | pdanek: i wrote that its out from top10... | 19:42 |
| pdanek | Ah I see | 19:42 |
| slate | all tech geeks bought it at release | 19:43 |
| slate | :) | 19:43 |
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| pdanek | I believe Jolla is being purchased only by tech geeks -> out of Finland. | 19:43 |
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| slate | sales @ dna arent really helping the sales either, from my experience. | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | http://yle.fi/uutiset/jolla_drops_off_dna_best_sellers_list/7068214 | 19:43 |
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| Nicd- | pdanek: it's not very popular in Finland to be honest | 19:44 |
| pdanek | So the whole purpose of making Jolla as phone for everyone is losing its purpose, because "normal" people are not buying it. | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | outside geeks | 19:44 |
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| pdanek | They could make it more tech-y, keyboard etc. | 19:44 |
| pdanek | And still the same sales. | 19:44 |
| pdanek | :) | 19:44 |
| Pnuu | oh, I know one non-geek who has jolla | 19:44 |
| slate | I have not recommended this to non-tecchy persons. | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: that would doom it as a geek phone though | 19:45 |
| Pnuu | she also bought jolla, in the pre-order, 'cause I said "go for it!" | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | look at some posts at together there are many non geeks buying jollas | 19:45 |
| pdanek | Nicd-: well, at least they could get market of people who want keyboard, which is not so small I believe. | 19:45 |
| pdanek | Now it's just another phone with display. | 19:46 |
| slate | My sister wants one since Jolla is more Finnish than Nokia. But that would mean a whole lot of trouble for me. | 19:46 |
| clau | well, a company selling phones just to geeks would have hard times surviving. | 19:46 |
| pdanek | For majority of ppl | 19:46 |
| Sail0r | To reach the whole market sailfishos needs to be non beta | 19:46 |
| slate | I though the OS is the thing, not the phone. | 19:46 |
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| Yaniel | which it is not going to be for a while | 19:46 |
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| mikma | well, i'm not that geeky and i still like my jolla. for me it's a phone, that has linux in it :) | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | (re Sail0r) | 19:47 |
| mikma | and it's not samsung android ^^ | 19:47 |
| slate | mikma: not geeky? be honest. | 19:47 |
| clau | mikma, you know that word, linux. that's almost enough to make you a geek :) | 19:47 |
| pdanek | slate: out of people I know (even Linux geeks etc,), nobody cares about OS, they say: yea cool, but I will stick to Android | 19:47 |
| Sail0r | xD | 19:47 |
| mikma | clau: but i'm not coding / developing / building stuff for jolla, i just install stuff and use it ;) (heebo <3) | 19:47 |
| pdanek | slate: so to make OS popular, you need good HW too, unfortunately :( | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | there are many people who are not happy with android but Jolla has to do some stuff to get these people | 19:48 |
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| Sail0r | what's wrong with HW? | 19:48 |
| slate | pdanek: I'm hoping for other manufacturers to support sailfish too. :) | 19:48 |
| slate | mikma: you code for other things. | 19:48 |
| pdanek | slate: that would help, yea | 19:48 |
| slate | busted. | 19:48 |
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| clau | the hw is fine, the sw is the problem. | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | Sailfishos does not need 4 cores 5ghz to run smooth :X | 19:48 |
| mikma | slate: not anymore, heh | 19:48 |
| clau | the hw is maybe overpriced, but still ok. | 19:48 |
| mikma | slate: lately i've been coding with dynamite xD | 19:49 |
| slate | rock solid dynamite. | 19:49 |
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| clau | slate, you won't see support from other manufacturers soon. | 19:49 |
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| pdanek | clau: so many people I told about Jolla, were refusing the Jolla because of 1G of memory, that they will not buy it | 19:49 |
| clau | until basic things like security are solved. and obviously, stability. | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | that's the problem pdanek people are only look at numbers | 19:50 |
| pdanek | clau: even if Jolla works better with this HW than Android does, people will get better HW for the same price | 19:50 |
| pdanek | Sail0r: I know, but you don't change it | 19:50 |
| Sail0r | that's true | 19:50 |
| pdanek | So maybe Jolla has to give up and go with the flow in this | 19:50 |
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| clau | well, most likely they went with these specs just to increase the profit margin. | 19:50 |
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| Yaniel | I'd say they have to be able to sustain themselves enough to get attention from other manufacturers | 19:51 |
| pdanek | That makes sense. | 19:51 |
| clau | though, I would still like to see more transparency | 19:51 |
| Yaniel | if they can pull that off the others can make cheap or high-end devices | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | with sailfish | 19:52 |
| Sail0r | but with the sales numbers Jolla has a Galaxy S5 competitor would be too expensive | 19:52 |
| clau | some sort of roadmap, even a more generic one | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | yeah some sort of roadmap would be nice | 19:52 |
| clau | I would recommend it if I knew problem A, B and C will be solved in the next N months. | 19:52 |
| pdanek | Jolla promised to be more open after release. | 19:52 |
| clau | but in the current situation, I can just hope things will be solved for myself at some point in the future. | 19:52 |
| pdanek | I don't see them doing that. | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | roadmap on the OS | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | why not, ooi | 19:53 |
| clau | ohai Stskeeps :) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | we're already sort-of doing that with together.* | 19:53 |
| Yaniel | which reminds me, together needs some sort of sticky posts | 19:53 |
| pdanek | I agree | 19:53 |
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| Yaniel | for *exactly this* | 19:53 |
| clau | together.* is chaos. :) | 19:53 |
| mikma | yes, it is | 19:54 |
| pdanek | together.jolla.com is ow only for people involved/reading | 19:54 |
| parasenic | Anybody wanna buy Jolla with flappy bird installed for 10k€? ;) | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | roadmap, latest changelog, faq | 19:54 |
| pdanek | Jolla can at least make a blog or something. | 19:54 |
| clau | I can't afford the time to browse it anymore. :( | 19:54 |
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| clau | Stskeeps, is there a single post somewhere which contains a roadmap of sorts, compiled from all the other posts? | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | no, but isn't there like the roadmap tag | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | or something like that | 19:55 |
| Pnuu | up, roadmap | 19:56 |
| Pnuu | yup | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | (i've been a bit.. busy recently) | 19:56 |
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| Sail0r | you have designers which are very good at their job use them to make a roadmap which looks fancy and makes us happy ;) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: it's kinda like architectural diagrams of linux mobile stacks | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | they look pretty | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | but they're absolute lies, it's closer to spaghetti with a incestous streak | 19:57 |
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| clau | :D | 19:57 |
| attah | you say the darndest things! | 19:58 |
| Eztran | That'd be a heck of a line to have quoted out of context. | 19:58 |
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| clau | ok, at this point I see there are plenty of posts tagged 'roadmap'. I'll spend some time reading them a.s.a.p. | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-srcpkgs-without-gcc-glibc-bash.svg | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | and this is even a pretty version of it | 19:59 |
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| clau | I definitely need a bigger screen to view it. | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | zoom | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:01 |
| rcg | evening | 20:01 |
| rcg | is there anyone in here with a working bluetooth headset? | 20:01 |
| Eztran | Zooming out made my browser cry. :) | 20:01 |
| rcg | i am specifically interested if it is possible to control the media player via the bluetooth remote control functionality | 20:01 |
| clau | Eztran, mine took a break. | 20:02 |
| rcg | and if someone in here has this, i'd like to know if there is anything meaningful on dbus :) | 20:02 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, while you are around, do you know how the media key handling of bluetooth devices is integrated? | 20:04 |
| slate | hmm, 1.0.3.8 update notification again, but this time its lets me re download it. | 20:05 |
| rcg | from reading a bit through the qml code that can be found on the device it looks like that the media player uses "MediaKey" qml elements for reacting on input | 20:05 |
| Yaniel | I had the notification for a couple of days too | 20:05 |
| Yaniel | but it disappeared today | 20:05 |
| rcg | now, i wonder if it is possible to "fake"/simulate such an action from another app | 20:05 |
| slate | hmm, lets me reinstall it go go. | 20:05 |
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| slate | reinstalling 1.0.3.8 gave me tutorial app. | 20:11 |
| slate | amazing. | 20:11 |
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| Teun_ | slate: leaving jolla store open for a couple of minutes should make the update notice go away | 20:18 |
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| cvp | hello :) | 20:18 |
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| slate | Yup, but usually it does not re-download the update, just says "up to date" | 20:19 |
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| Teun_ | depends if you by any chance cleared your transfer cache | 20:21 |
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| slate | Maybe i did, but just redownloaded it twice. | 20:22 |
| slate | in a row | 20:22 |
| slate | :) | 20:22 |
| Teun_ | haha | 20:22 |
| Teun_ | so you sure it's up to date now.. just in time for the next update | 20:23 |
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| slate | yeh, installed 1.0.3.8 three times now | 20:23 |
| slate | I'm sure its there. | 20:24 |
| slate | :) | 20:24 |
| Teun_ | so what do you all think about the browser is now open | 20:24 |
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| Teun_ | it would allow nice feateres from webcat, maybe flash support | 20:25 |
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| cvp | we will see | 20:27 |
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| cvp | tbr: ? | 20:28 |
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| clau | Teun_, what do you mean by "the browser is now open" ? | 20:38 |
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| Teun_ | jolla made it opensource today | 20:38 |
| Teun_ | anybody can cocreate now via gidhub | 20:39 |
| clau | really?! | 20:39 |
| Teun_ | jup | 20:39 |
| clau | do you have a link by any chance? | 20:39 |
| Teun_ | wait.. I'll send you | 20:39 |
| clau | that's very good news :) | 20:39 |
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| tobiski | Teun_: are you sure you don't mean the browser, not the whole OS | 20:40 |
| tobiski | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-February/003352.html | 20:40 |
| sardini | but: Error while building/deploying project sailfish-browser (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86) | 20:40 |
| sardini | When executing step 'qmake' | 20:40 |
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| tobiski | oh, didn't read the previous lines, only from "jolla made it opensource today" onwards :p | 20:41 |
| Teun_ | it's is the browser | 20:41 |
| Teun_ | @raimue: #Jolla released another component of #SailfishOS as open source. Source of Sailfish browser now available on github, https://t.co/bVfNZbazJ4 | 20:41 |
| clau | thanks | 20:42 |
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| attah | so this opens the possibility for someone crazy enough to make the browser keep just enough session info to seem multitabbed without really holding the whole thing in memory.. if you can even do that to gecko.. | 20:52 |
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| Teun_ | attah: that would be cool, and maybe add on some gesture based browsing | 20:58 |
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| attah | sure, if that can be made as effortless as the rest of the os I'm all for it! | 20:59 |
| tango_ | https://twitter.com/somospostpc/status/433251245114286080 the jolla would win this | 21:00 |
| tango_ | http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1xm6dx/how_much_of_your_phone_is_actually_screen_oc/ reddit thread, for those interested | 21:00 |
| Teun_ | hands down | 21:00 |
| tobiski | huh, I just realised the caller gets the 3rd dial tone before my Jolla even informs me that there's someone calling | 21:02 |
| tobiski | anyone else noticed that? | 21:03 |
| Teun_ | no.. lets try | 21:03 |
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| tobiski | but when I call from Jolla, the receiver gets the information on first dial tone, so that's working ok | 21:04 |
| tobiski | strange, tried once more to call my phone and this time it noticed me on the first dial tone o_O | 21:05 |
| Teun_ | no.. rang without delay | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | network delay? | 21:05 |
| tobiski | could be | 21:05 |
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| plfiorini | hi | 21:05 |
| Teun_ | hi | 21:06 |
| cameris | maybe deep sleep of the jolla? | 21:06 |
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| Quu | that could be | 21:07 |
| tobiski | cameris: nope, I had just used the phone before trying to call it, the screen was still on | 21:07 |
| Teun_ | don't think so.. probably network delay | 21:08 |
| cameris | yeah. tried myself. jolla not in use since 30min, but got the ring on first tone | 21:08 |
| tobiski | could be, but interesting is that the phone I used to calling has the same provider as my Jolla | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | random graphing: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview2.png | 21:09 |
| cameris | so Teun_ is probably right | 21:09 |
| Quu | how edgy | 21:09 |
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| cameris | anybody know if and how to add a custom alarm window? looked at jolla-alarm-ui qml files (hope this is the right place) but it seems there are 3 hardcoded for timer,alarm and event. | 21:13 |
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| cameris | nobody? | 21:19 |
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| Yaniel | alarm window? | 21:22 |
| Yaniel | well alarm, timers and events all behave differently | 21:23 |
| cameris | the window that shows up when you set an alarm or timer in clocks app | 21:23 |
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| cameris | they do and i want to add a custom one for alarms | 21:24 |
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| cameris | afaik clock and calenders set the alarm/event with timed, but the window that is then displayed is done via jolla-alarm-ui | 21:26 |
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| entil | did anyone btw notice the video http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/UB2252A_Lameere/Saturday/Technical_introduction_to_the_deeper_parts_of_SailfishOS_a_Qt5Wayland_based_mobile_OS.webm is broken after 14-ish minutes? or is it just me? | 21:38 |
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| kehnoo | like frozen? | 21:39 |
| entil | yes | 21:39 |
| entil | I was looking forward to watching it ;P | 21:39 |
| fk_lx | entil: I think there is full version without problems on youtube | 21:40 |
| entil | oh, that's nice, I'll take a look | 21:40 |
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| entil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8akYPU4AG4 looks broken too :( | 21:41 |
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| Sailor5543_ | It starts working around 30 mins. At least the version i watched | 21:43 |
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| entil | ok, that's in the youtube version at least. it's just kinda boring to look at a frozen dude for 15 minutes, even if what he says is interesting :D | 21:44 |
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| Sailor5543_ | indeed :D | 21:46 |
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| ln- | this youtube url was announced on the mailing list: http://youtu.be/Ed8duAnlwHc | 21:48 |
| entil | ln-: <3 | 21:49 |
| entil | that looks like it's the director's cut | 21:49 |
| entil | with behind the scenes footage | 21:49 |
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| Dima^ | hoh, stskeeps got face :) | 22:04 |
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| AL13N | Dima^: skunkface? | 22:06 |
| Dima^ | :D | 22:06 |
| Dima^ | nope, nickname got face | 22:06 |
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| Abby18 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:07 |
| Dima^ | most people here for me are just nicknames | 22:07 |
| Dima^ | Abby18: screw you | 22:07 |
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