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| Sailor10409 | hi there | 00:17 |
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| * Sailor10409 is just testing irc app. | 00:17 | |
| tanghus | Sailor10409: it's working :) | 00:18 |
| Sailor10409 | yay | 00:19 |
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| wwwramothde | irc. Check. | 00:24 |
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| Acce | yes, this is Internet Relay Chat speaking. Over. | 00:27 |
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| wwwramothde | love all the pulleys here.. | 00:28 |
| Acce | yep, they're brilliant | 00:29 |
| FireFly | Agreed | 00:29 |
| FireFly | I'm missing a long-press menu in the user list, though.. | 00:29 |
| Acce | there should be long press for query and clicking would just add the name into your message | 00:30 |
| wwwramothde | yay, sounds nice. | 00:31 |
| FireFly | long-press could also have stuff like kick and whois | 00:32 |
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| wwwramothde | @FireFly yay, that would be useful. | 00:34 |
| Acce | FireFly: ping jpnurmi at #communi :) | 00:34 |
| Acce | or put it in github | 00:34 |
| FireFly | Sure, I'll open an issue tomorrow if I remember | 00:34 |
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| Venemo | Acce, wwwramothde, please open a ticket for those ideas on GitHub | 00:47 |
| Venemo | :) | 00:47 |
| ortylp | Does anybody know how to undelete question on together.jolla.com? The mouse pointer slipped and question has been deleted instead of my comment (WITHOUT CONFIRMATION!) | 00:48 |
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| Acce | ortylp: hmm no idea, I did see an undelete button instead of the delete in one of my answers, but no idea about questions, sorry :/ | 00:49 |
| ortylp | If we have admins of tohether.jolla com here then please undelete the following: https://together.jolla.com/question/5516/what-kind-of-security-model-does-jolla-have | 00:50 |
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| pahartik | jpnurmi: Does "communi-sailfish" totally ignore IPv6? | 01:24 |
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| Dima^ | gj. | 04:55 |
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| Guest31580 | how can i install jolla in android? | 07:11 |
| Guest31580 | i ant to remove android | 07:11 |
| Guest31580 | want* | 07:11 |
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| reviewjolla | wow, what a use of gestures in IRC app | 07:35 |
| reviewjolla | This one is worth an article, I'm writing one right now | 07:36 |
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| tango_ | irc app? | 07:38 |
| stephg | yea venemo's app hit the store last night | 07:39 |
| stephg | (well his, w00t's, jpnurmi's) | 07:39 |
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| Kuus2 | The page indicator in front page is redundant if not connected | 07:40 |
| Kuus2 | also how do I dc | 07:40 |
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| Sailor8056 | so completely new to this.. even used default login from app | 07:41 |
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| Sailor8056 | have to set own user first I think | 07:41 |
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| Sailor8056 | so user name set, that was easy | 07:49 |
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| Teun | again | 07:50 |
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| Teun | so is there a list of jolla/ maemo channels for irc some where? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | #jollamobile,#sailfishos for jolla stuff | 08:00 |
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| Teun | thanks | 08:03 |
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| reviewjolla | Published. http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/ | 08:23 |
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| Guest1373 | how can i install jolla? | 08:24 |
| reviewjolla | from Store | 08:25 |
| Guest1373 | store? | 08:25 |
| Guest1373 | i want to remove android | 08:25 |
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| reviewjolla | oh... not possible quite yet | 08:26 |
| Guest1373 | awwwwwwwwww | 08:26 |
| Guest1373 | why? | 08:26 |
| reviewjolla | well, it's ported to Nexus so far. And Nokia N9. | 08:27 |
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| Guest1373 | so i can dowload it from play store? for my android moible? | 08:27 |
| tbr | 07:03:02< tbr> Guest31580: and if you want to run sailfish, check if it is supported by cyanogenmod 10.1 | 08:27 |
| tbr | then there is a chance to run sailfish on it in the future | 08:27 |
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| reviewjolla | I was talking about IRC app, not OS (Sailfish). And Jolla is a name of a phone. | 08:29 |
| reviewjolla | Sailfish is ported to Nexus & N9 | 08:29 |
| Guest1373 | danke tbr | 08:29 |
| Guest1373 | i love you all for helping me | 08:30 |
| ar | hm | 08:31 |
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| Guest1373 | tbr: you have opened a path for me actually i have rooted my phone but something goes wrong i ask in #andoird about that they said that flash it then after i thought arise in my mind to install another os on my cell and there is option for that it is SAILFISH :D | 08:32 |
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| tbr | just to make it VERY clear: right NOW you can NOT install Sailfish on any Android phone. This will be possible in the future. | 08:33 |
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| Guest1373 | eeeeeeeeeeeeee | 08:33 |
| Guest1373 | when at the end of this year? | 08:34 |
| ar | http://dpaste.com/1595325/ - can i make the installer not try to use pulseaudio? i don't have pulseaudio on my desktop and i'd rather keep it that way. i enjoy having a working audio setup | 08:34 |
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| Guest1373 | okay | 08:37 |
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| tbr | Guest1373: it will be announced by Jolla I guess | 08:38 |
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| reviewjolla | This new IRC for Sailfish is so great | 08:43 |
| reviewjolla | Devs online to thank? | 08:44 |
| mikma | I think it's Venemo and he's not online atm | 08:45 |
| suy | jpnurmi: venemo (absent): w00t_: ^^^ | 08:45 |
| reviewjolla | yep, him & two more | 08:45 |
| suy | it's in the about | 08:45 |
| mikma | reviewjolla: you could thank him by his twitter: https://twitter.com/Venemo | 08:45 |
| reviewjolla | ok | 08:46 |
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| reviewjolla | Thanked all three there, thanks mikma | 08:51 |
| mikma | reviewjolla: np :) | 08:51 |
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| Sailor9059 | hi | 08:55 |
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| Guest1373 | hi | 09:08 |
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| Teun | si whats the general purpose of this? exchange knowledge, just general talk ? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | this channel? community discussions | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | it varies a fair bit, sometimes working together to solve issues, other times cursing at jolla, etc | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | which is all fine | 09:15 |
| stephg | don't forget discussion about the ETA of the ETA of the update app | 09:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Also world domination. | 09:18 |
| Pnuu | stephg: 0.47499071935727 | 09:19 |
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| stephg | thanks, as I'm still waiting for an ETA of the ETA of the update app's arrival in the store, I didn't have the figures | 09:19 |
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| Pnuu | glad to help | 09:20 |
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| clau | Stskeeps, now that I caught you here... I am still trying to find out what's with the 2 updates that I get on my phone, from adaptation1 repo: here-daemons-1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla.armv7hl and libherepositioning-1.2.0-10.6.1.jolla.armv7hl | 09:22 |
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| pp_ | rpm -qi --changelog ?-) | 09:24 |
| clau | Stskeeps, the Store says nothing at all, I see the packages when I run pkcon get-updates | 09:24 |
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| clau | pp_, haven't installed them. | 09:24 |
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| clau | and pkcon get-update-detail says nothinig useful | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | clau: you're seeing those updates with warehouse right? | 09:25 |
| clau | initially I've seen them in warehouse, yes. but warehouse is just a wrapper over pkcon, I assume. | 09:26 |
| clau | and I have disabled all openrepos repositories, did a refresh, and they are still there. | 09:26 |
| clau | the reported source is adaptation1, which is Jolla (judging by URL) | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, manual pkcon updates isn't really a supported scenario for updates :) | 09:27 |
| Pnuu | seems to be reproducable | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm a bit puzzled why | 09:27 |
| clau | I am not doing it, until at least I know someone at Jolla pushed them on the repo :) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | clau: rpm -qa | grep here-daemons | 09:27 |
| clau | here-daemons-1.1.2-10.5.1.jolla.armv7hl | 09:27 |
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| clau | libherepositioning-1.1.2-10.5.1.jolla.armv7hl | 09:28 |
| clau | these are the versions already installed. | 09:28 |
| clau | is it possible they are actually part of 1.0.3.8 but my phone missed them during the update? | 09:28 |
| Quu | i got those same at friday | 09:28 |
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| Quu | nou. | 09:28 |
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| Teun | no, i updated to 3.8 from clean install and I got the update notice from warehous | 09:30 |
| Teun | i installed them, no apperent difference | 09:30 |
| Teun | maybe faster positioning | 09:31 |
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| Quu | thats what i noticed too | 09:33 |
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| Teun | maps in store is on version 1.0.3-10.9.1 | 09:33 |
| Quu | here maps got faster gps lock | 09:33 |
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| Quu | and its maybe bit more accurate | 09:33 |
| vesurivs | i didnt notice any change for better re positioning | 09:34 |
| Teun | before the last update was released there were a lot of packeges available for update in warehouse also | 09:34 |
| ortylp | If we have admins of tohether.jolla com here then please undelete the following: https://together.jolla.com/question/5516/what-kind-of-security-model-does-jolla-have (I have deleted it by mistake :( | 09:34 |
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| clau | Teun, that's why I initially thought an update is on the way. | 09:38 |
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| clau | Stskeeps, the signature key id is the same as for the already installed versions, and the new ones were both signed on Tue Jan 21 02:00 (one second difference between them) | 09:39 |
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| Teun | @clau: it did undo my units hack | 09:40 |
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| ko__ | okay, so, I don't know what happened, but now the battery consumption has dropped. for seemingly no reason | 10:01 |
| clau | ko__, have you just installed the latest update? | 10:02 |
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| ko__ | yeah, immediately when it came out | 10:02 |
| ko__ | however, after the update, my battery consumption was greatly increased, like from 70+% to dead overnight | 10:02 |
| clau | have you tried running top in terminal to see if there's a particular process with high cpu usage? | 10:04 |
| clau | there's also an app called Crest in Store which gives you similar information in a more friendly manner | 10:05 |
| ko__ | most cpu time is contactsd and lipstick, but i don't know if that's unusual, i didn't check while i had low battery consumption | 10:06 |
| lbt | ortylp: done | 10:07 |
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| ko__ | load average however is 4.5 | 10:08 |
| ko__ | 230mb of swap in use too | 10:08 |
| Pnuu | while using top, the top cpu time goes to fingerterm, then top | 10:09 |
| clau | ko__, have you installed 3rd party apps from sources like openrepos / warehouse? | 10:10 |
| ko__ | yes, mitäkuuluu. | 10:10 |
| clau | I have it too, 0.1-29 | 10:10 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and tetjering app consumes battery even after you close it | 10:10 |
| clau | as about top, I see the same as Pnuu | 10:10 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | tethering | 10:10 |
| ko__ | HarhaanJohtaja: wut? | 10:11 |
| Pnuu | HarhaanJohtaja: did you disable the hotspot first? | 10:11 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | yes | 10:11 |
| clau | I have the Thetering app too, but it's disabled | 10:11 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well i havent used in a month | 10:11 |
| Pnuu | weird | 10:11 |
| ko__ | which tethering type did you use | 10:11 |
| clau | make sure both Wifi and Bluetooth thetering are disabled | 10:11 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i did and i am not the only one who says that | 10:12 |
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| clau | I've only used Wifi once, and disabled it afterwards and never had any issues | 10:12 |
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| ko__ | hmm, if tethering does it, that might be it | 10:13 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, first timr | 10:14 |
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| ShadowJK | in 17 hours that jolla managed to connect ti wifi | 10:14 |
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| ko__ | i use the bluetooth tethering and always shut it off after using it | 10:15 |
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| clau | maybe something is not undone properly when you disable it | 10:15 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well i havent used the bluetooth one i used wifi | 10:15 |
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| ko__ | the wifi one doesn't work very well for me, so that's why i use the bt one | 10:16 |
| clau | you should try to contact the developer | 10:16 |
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| ln- | i suspect the next TOH to be released will be red. | 11:10 |
| pp_ | "I am the fifth one" ?-) | 11:11 |
| Acce | "I am the divided by zero" | 11:11 |
| tbr | that's the black-hole one | 11:12 |
| Acce | black-hole TOH | 11:12 |
| Acce | hmmm | 11:12 |
| slate | how about transparent | 11:12 |
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| ln- | i was looking at the icon library, and there are app icons for 5 ambiences. | 11:13 |
| Acce | I hope they put out cheap white ones, so artists can get wild | 11:13 |
| Acce | canvas TOH | 11:13 |
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| Acce | tbr: I was wondering, could you put notice in eventbrite to ask people to download and install the latest sdk before 22.? | 11:17 |
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| Acce | mentioning someplace where they can get help with it if something goes wrong (can't find updates or something) | 11:18 |
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| tbr | Acce: not a bad idea, although SDK install is usuall quite fast | 11:21 |
| Acce | true, but if 20+ people start downloading it, could be slow | 11:21 |
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| tbr | USB sticks to the rescue :) | 11:22 |
| stephg | proxy to the rescue! | 11:22 |
| Acce | ah, that's nice idea | 11:22 |
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| Acce | btw, is there connection that we're allowed to use at Hermia? | 11:22 |
| tbr | I think Hermia has a guest wifi | 11:23 |
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| tbr | and Darmok (our host) being Mr. Eduroam, I'm sure there's going to be plenty connectivity | 11:23 |
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| Acce | ok, great :) I guess I'll take one or two usb sticks with sdk with me in any case | 11:24 |
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| ortylp | lbt: super, thanks | 11:28 |
| Yaniel | hackday is in hermia? | 11:29 |
| tbr | yes | 11:30 |
| Acce | Yaniel: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/jolla-and-sailfish-hack-day-registration-10524490033?status=I+am+attending+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eventbrite.com%2Fe%2Fjolla-and-sailfish-hack-day-tickets-10524490033 | 11:30 |
| tbr | as NewFactory realized they are not available for us, after they had already confirmed the date | 11:31 |
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| Yaniel | yeah I heard about that | 11:31 |
| tbr | It's going to be in Hermia 1 | 11:31 |
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| prometoys | hi, i tried partly recovery (browser, messages, contact, phone), but it recovered my accounts, too. now i got a sync error in mail | 13:47 |
| prometoys | i would like to post this on togheter.jolla.com, but maybe need a bit help, because my english isn't the best | 13:48 |
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| Teun | prometoys: just post it there, chexk it as a wiki, I will correct your errors | 13:57 |
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| Teun | and as long as we all can understand nobody will give you a bad grade | 13:58 |
| prometoys | Teun, thanks | 14:01 |
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| prometoys | Teun, voila https://together.jolla.com/question/26249 | 14:42 |
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| AJAX555 | oh no this is horrible | 14:56 |
| AJAX555 | I have lost my jolla stickers! | 14:56 |
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| redge73 | Hi there, is someone can fix bootloop BTRFS Jolla Recovery without send back to jolla for repair ? I can give remote access | 14:59 |
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| redge73 | Jolla recovery v0.1 right now | 15:00 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | redge73: what version | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | of sailfisos | 15:01 |
| redge73 | 1.0.2.5 before bootloop | 15:02 |
| redge73 | i think now is 1.0.0.5 reset factory | 15:02 |
| redge73 | redge.dnsalias.org with teamviewer or other remote assistance ? | 15:03 |
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| redge73 | osx 10.6 terminal telnet 10.42.66.66 connected | 15:05 |
| redge73 | vnc port 5900 open on my router | 15:05 |
| redge73 | stskeeps: 1.0.2.5 before bootloop | 15:06 |
| redge73 | stskeeps: i think is 1.0.0.5 factory reset done with Jolla Recovery v0.1 | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | redge73: sadly you have to send it to service, contact care@jolla.com | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | or, what, you succeeded in a factory reset? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | ie no 'invalid argument' | 15:08 |
| redge73 | stskeeps: already sent message, waiting answer from support for send with address | 15:09 |
| redge73 | Stskeeps: Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt' | 15:09 |
| redge73 | Stskeeps: mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument | 15:10 |
| redge73 | [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt' | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | redge73: yup, care@ time | 15:13 |
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| redge73 | ok, thank you for your time at sunday, 1 week more loose for fix JP-1301, thank you, bye | 15:14 |
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| redge73 | Stskeeps: ok, thank you for your time at sunday, 1 week more loose for fix JP-1301, thank you, bye | 15:14 |
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| * javispedro tries to create a handwriting input method | 15:32 | |
| javispedro | seems best way is to hack around the jolla keyboard layout files since there is no other input method switching UI | 15:32 |
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| Acce | javispedro: see the related thread in tjc, the implementation of japanese input method code might give some hints | 15:35 |
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| javispedro | aha, they create a layout file that just swaps to their input method once "onCompleted" | 15:37 |
| javispedro | but since I can put any QML element on a KeyboardLayout (seemingly), it seems I could also just put the BigRecognizerComponent {} on the layout file itself | 15:38 |
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| jubo2 | this "No adressee marked SMS system is swearwording stupid | 16:02 |
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| Pnuu | ? | 16:02 |
| jubo2 | The SMS interface has gotta change | 16:02 |
| jubo2 | and the activation of the zooming cursor setting util | 16:02 |
| Pnuu | haven't seen any problems with it | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | moar emoticons | 16:02 |
| Yaniel | what sms interface? | 16:03 |
| jubo2 | it's activation needs to be precise gesture not like "Drag upwards and hope for the best" | 16:03 |
| Yaniel | or what about it | 16:03 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: the Human-machine-interface | 16:03 |
| Yaniel | huh? zooming is not tap & hold? | 16:03 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: tap and hold.. is that like two taps where the latter sticks to the glass? | 16:03 |
| Yaniel | no, one tap | 16:04 |
| jubo2 | another issue: I've sent many times sms to wrong people | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | apparently not | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | but tap text & slide finer upward | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | without releasing | 16:04 |
| Yaniel | if you release it, it goes back | 16:05 |
| Yaniel | feels pretty reliable to me | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | how do I paste from clipboard ? | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | owait there is an icon | 16:05 |
| Yaniel | there is a button on the top of the vkbd | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | I tap that right.. | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | TO NOT TO DISPLAY THE ADDRESS(ER) INFO IS STUPID | 16:06 |
| Yaniel | huh? | 16:06 |
| Yaniel | 1. you just tapped the name | 16:07 |
| Yaniel | 2. it stands there in the text input field until you write something there | 16:07 |
| Yaniel | assuming you are talking about the messaging app | 16:07 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 16:12 |
| Venemo_j | in case you missed, IRC for sailfish is now in Jolla store | 16:13 |
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| Venemo_j | jubo2: just a thought: there are a bunch of one-minute videos on youtube on the official jolla account - all of them are worth to watch | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: seems like the client is quite popular | 16:15 |
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| Morpog_PC | yeah my store front page is full of it :) | 16:16 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: lots of likes :) | 16:16 |
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| eitzei | Do u think its better to use IRC client than terminal? | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | definitely | 16:25 |
| Venemo_j | depends | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | irc over telnet or netcat is not exactly user-friendly | 16:25 |
| Venemo_j | it's hard to format an sd card to ext4 from an irc client | 16:26 |
| Yaniel | (been there done that) | 16:26 |
| Yaniel | Venemo_j: with a sufficiently sophisticated irc client you can do that | 16:26 |
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| Yaniel | in fact all it needs is a decent /exec :P | 16:26 |
| Pnuu | eitzei: won't be changing from screen'd irssi to gui | 16:27 |
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| * ShadowJK remembers when xchat had built-in terminal | 16:28 | |
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| javispedro | "it's hard to format an sd card to ext4 from an irc client" famous last words ;) | 16:33 |
| Venemo_j | hehe | 16:34 |
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| ortylp | Venemo_j: irc client on Jolla seems to work (if you got this message) | 16:40 |
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| Yaniel | I would be surprised if it didn't :P | 16:40 |
| Venemo_j | ortylp: yeah, thanks :) | 16:41 |
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| sledges | Venemo_j: ftw! | 16:41 |
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| pahartik | Venemo_j: "communi-sailfish" is well adapted to user interface | 16:42 |
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| Venemo_j | sledges: :) | 16:43 |
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| Venemo_j | pahartik: thanks! jpnurmi deserves most of the credit though! | 16:43 |
| pahartik | Venemo_j: One can choose message and "Copy", but is that copy reachable by any means? | 16:44 |
| Venemo_j | pahartik: Venemo_j: One can choose message and "Copy", but is that copy reachable by any means? | 16:44 |
| Venemo_j | yes | 16:44 |
| Venemo_j | it copies the message to the system clipboard | 16:45 |
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| ortylp | Venemo_j: I have two more ideas to be considered: tapping on name copies it with ':' for fast reply; list of logged users (the one on the right) can be long, some kind of fast access by first letter could help, no idea how to solve it in UI | 16:46 |
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| sledges | Venemo_j & jpnurmi & w00t_ & Morpog_PC & stsdc -- you fellows r0ck :) | 16:47 |
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| pahartik | Venemo_j: I do not know how to use system clipboard then, or it is not currently functional on my system | 16:47 |
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| Venemo_j | pahartik: there is a paste button on the virtual keyboard | 16:47 |
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| javispedro | ok so how to append an item to a "property list<point>" | 16:53 |
| javispedro | raaaaaargh you can't | 16:54 |
| pahartik | Venemo_j: It had copy of message of comment I did submit via "Store Client" some days ago, until I did ask to clean it | 16:54 |
| pahartik | Venemo_j: No new content ends up on clipboard since, it seems | 16:55 |
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| Venemo_j | let me try again | 16:56 |
| Venemo_j | pahartik: Venemo_j: It had copy of message of comment I did submit via "Store Client" some days ago, until I did ask to clean it | 16:56 |
| Venemo_j | worksforme | 16:56 |
| pahartik | Venemo_j: Looks less like "communi-sailfish" related problem | 16:56 |
| Venemo_j | long press, hit copy, then go to textfield, hit paste | 16:56 |
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| Lancer | My jolla wont download any apps from the store | 17:02 |
| Lancer | "waiting" | 17:02 |
| Lancer | and nothing happens. No open downloads | 17:02 |
| Venemo_j | patience is a virtue | 17:02 |
| pahartik | Venemo_j: Thank you for assistance, it seems system clipboard does not accept content from terminal or browser either | 17:02 |
| Acce | when someone gives me minus votes on answers others gave plus votes, I feel someone has something against me :< | 17:03 |
| * Acce goes paranoid | 17:03 | |
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| fk_lx | Acce: probably it's only about the ideas, btw. I had the same experience, maybe there is some kind of negator person on Together that minuses our ideas ;-) | 17:04 |
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| sledges | Lancer: what does `ssu s` say? | 17:05 |
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| Acce | fk_lx: I think there are quite a few of those negator persons, at least I can come up few posts and comments from such persons :p | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | i do give minuses from time to time, If I think the idea is against sailfish principles | 17:07 |
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| fk_lx | Morpog_PC: you are doing a good job! | 17:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | giving minuses? ;) | 17:08 |
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| Yaniel | in appropriate places, yes | 17:08 |
| fk_lx | Morpog_PC: when it makes sense it's a good job | 17:08 |
| Acce | sometimes I feel bit bad for example that guy who posted that thing with not-so-good english | 17:11 |
| Acce | and it had like -10 | 17:11 |
| Acce | he probably doesn't feel very welcome now | 17:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | Acce, does'nt seem to happen often | 17:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | from those 3655 questions only 32 have negative votes | 17:17 |
| Acce | well not often, which is good | 17:17 |
| Lancer | sledges ? | 17:18 |
| Acce | but not sure if should downvote something just because it doesn't make sense | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | and only two with bigger than minus 10 | 17:18 |
| sledges | Lancer: on the command line (in fingerterm) if you enable developer mode | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | acce sure | 17:18 |
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| Venemo_j | ttyl | 17:23 |
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| Lancer | Can't even get developer mode to work | 17:26 |
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| Normal__ | Hi there! | 17:26 |
| Normal__ | Can anyone here answer btrfs questions for the Jolla phone? | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | Normal__: ask, easier to find out :-P | 17:27 |
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| sledges | Lancer: try again after a reboot? | 17:28 |
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| Lancer | working on it | 17:28 |
| Normal__ | I want to add my btrfs formatted SD card to my rootfs. To do this I need to know if btrfs scan is run on the FS before it's mounted? Is it or can I configure this? | 17:30 |
| Lancer | Can't get past the activating developer mode | 17:31 |
| Lancer | Or what ever it is in english | 17:31 |
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| Iltsu | Any changes to schelude my bash-script in Jolla as there isn't cron? | 17:32 |
| Iltsu | would be nice to backup my images with rsync automatically | 17:33 |
| Yaniel | a systemd service? | 17:33 |
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| Lancer | yeah. Can't get past enabling developer mode | 17:37 |
| Lancer | Keeps loading forever. Reboots don't help | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC | time set? | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC | and date | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | Normal__; i saw howto for btrfs sd on tmo today | 17:38 |
| Morpog_PC | Lancer, | 17:38 |
| Lancer | Time and date on automatic update | 17:38 |
| Lancer | Correct values | 17:38 |
| Morpog_PC | try disabling and set manually | 17:38 |
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| Normal__ | ShadowJK; tmo? | 17:39 |
| Morpog_PC | talk.maemo.org | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | talk.maemo.org | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | Sailfish/jolla section | 17:39 |
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| Lancer | Enabling developer mode stuck at ~70% | 17:46 |
| Morpog_PC | are you on wifi? | 17:47 |
| Lancer | yes | 17:47 |
| Morpog_PC | I heard using 3g can fix such behavior | 17:47 |
| Morpog_PC | it's worth a try | 17:48 |
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| Normal__ | Can anyone talk me through how systemd works in Sailfish, with specific respect to my question above? | 17:51 |
| Morpog_PC | you could try to ping Stskeeps | 17:52 |
| Lancer | Now I can't even get 3G to work | 17:53 |
| Morpog_PC | entered APN? | 17:53 |
| Lancer | Should have stayed with retard friendly android | 17:55 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, you knew it's beta befor you bought | 17:56 |
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| Morpog_PC | So did you enter your APN? | 17:56 |
| Lancer | Moved near to the window and got 3G to work. But still stuck at 70% | 17:57 |
| Lancer | when trying to activate developer mode | 17:57 |
| tbr | wait | 17:59 |
| tbr | developer mode takes time | 17:59 |
| Lancer | ah yes. Working now | 17:59 |
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| sledges | Normal__: you can examine *.mount files under /lib/systemd/system | 18:02 |
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| Normal__ | Thank you. | 18:03 |
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| Lancer | Ah. It wont install apps from store when connected via wifi | 18:04 |
| Lancer | With 3G it works but 3G doesn't work unless near the window | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC | have you updated to latest release? | 18:06 |
| tbr | that sounds like there might be a connectivity problem related to your ISP? | 18:06 |
| Lancer | 3G works on SGS+ | 18:06 |
| Normal__ | Perhaps a more important question, which mounted partion should I extend... as I've noticed that /swap, /home and / each mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 18:07 |
| sledges | Lancer: and wifi works on SGS too? | 18:09 |
| sledges | maybe abilities to access jolla-hosted servers are hampered a bit by your wifi-bound ISP? as tbr said | 18:10 |
| tbr | or something is fishy with DNS or whatever | 18:10 |
| sledges | +1 | 18:10 |
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| sledges | Normal__: mount --bind most probably involved; nevertheless your questions is not quite valid | 18:11 |
| sledges | you shouldn't be extending any partitions when you're adding a btrfs-formatted sd card | 18:11 |
| Lancer | sledges: yes | 18:11 |
| Lancer | no problems with sgs+ | 18:12 |
| sledges | Lancer: so now you have dev mode | 18:12 |
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| sledges | invoke Terminal and type `ssu s` | 18:12 |
| Lancer | How do I access terminal? | 18:13 |
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| sledges | it's among the apps | 18:13 |
| Normal__ | btrfs allows you to do raid like actions but working at the filesystem level. I've checked on #btrfs and the only condition to doing this is to make sure that "The OS *must* run a btrfs dev scan before trying to mount the FS." | 18:14 |
| sledges | although `ssu s` is not important anymore | 18:14 |
| Lancer | ah | 18:14 |
| sledges | Lancer: `ssu lr` is now in question | 18:14 |
| Lancer | Maybe easier to ssh so I can copypaste the response | 18:16 |
| sledges | Lancer: sure | 18:16 |
| sledges | you can ssh via wifi too ;) | 18:16 |
| Normal__ | No need to play with bind. My goal is to create a contiguous larger fs on my phone. To do this I need to know that the os performs the scan before mounting the appropriate fs. | 18:16 |
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| sledges | Normal__: you can further examine .mount files to see what services they trigger | 18:17 |
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| Lancer | What port? | 18:19 |
| sledges | 22 | 18:20 |
| sledges | and check IP address via developers settings | 18:20 |
| sledges | it will be what your wifi-router assigner | 18:20 |
| sledges | +d | 18:20 |
| Lancer | I did. Connection timed out when I try to connect | 18:21 |
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| sledges | doublechecked it's the wifi ip and not usb ? | 18:25 |
| sledges | also set the password | 18:25 |
| sledges | and tick "allow remote connection" | 18:25 |
| Lancer | yeah. remote connection allowed. password generated and wifi ip | 18:26 |
| sledges | then let's fallback to usb | 18:26 |
| sledges | but at any rate | 18:26 |
| sledges | all we need is the first link of what `ssu lr` spits | 18:26 |
| Normal__ | I can not see anything in /lib/systemd/system which mounts the rootfs. | 18:26 |
| sledges | Normal__: worth checkign /etc/*tab | 18:26 |
| Normal__ | Sure. | 18:27 |
| Lancer | First url under enabled repositories? | 18:29 |
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| Normal__ | fstab is what you'd expect an example line 'UUID=Big-Nubmer / btrfs defaults,autodefrag,noatime 0 0' and mtab == mount | 18:29 |
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| sledges | Lancer: yes | 18:32 |
| sledges | Normal__: inspect /dev for uuid | 18:32 |
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| sledges | Normal__: are you expecting a fsck.btrfs launch of sorts? | 18:33 |
| Normal__ | sort of yes. | 18:34 |
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| sledges | Normal__: now i understand your question about initrd/initramfs performing such scan | 18:35 |
| Lancer | hmm /1.0.3.8/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/ ? | 18:36 |
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| Normal__ | The impression I've got is that enumerates the btrfs filesystems available and beyond that I'm not sure how it connects the two devices but once you've added your second device it will extend the space available to that file system. | 18:37 |
| sledges | Normal__: but regardless, an auto fsck should be done elsewhere for and SD card, see journalctl of what happens | 18:37 |
| sledges | when you insert and SD card - which automounter is responsible so that you could hook into | 18:37 |
| sledges | Lancer: and the domain? | 18:37 |
| Lancer | https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases | 18:38 |
| Lancer | https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.3.8/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
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| Normal__ | Where would I find journalctl? | 18:40 |
| sledges | Normal__: devel-su (password) | 18:41 |
| sledges | journalctl -f | 18:41 |
| sledges | to tail | 18:41 |
| Normal__ | Ah, right. | 18:41 |
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| Normal__ | Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be very helpful. | 18:43 |
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| sledges | Lancer: if you are on wifi, type in terminal `ping store-repository.jolla.com` | 18:47 |
| sledges | (it won't respond, but at least we can see what IP address it resolves to | 18:48 |
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| sledges | Lancer: this is a thread for you to look through, sorry about inconvenience: https://together.jolla.com/question/19417/app-and-update-system-not-working/ | 18:51 |
| Normal__ | sledges: I'm going to try to come back to this later. Thank you for your help. | 18:52 |
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| sledges | Normal__: spin a question on tjc | 18:52 |
| sledges | so we don't lose track | 18:53 |
| sledges | i might play around with sd sometime soon then | 18:53 |
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| Normal__ | Cool, will do. I don't know what affect there will be if you add a btrfs fs device to your rootfs and not preform the scan prior to mounting. So until this issue is resolved I would not recommend trying it. | 18:55 |
| sledges | i won't have a btrfs sd card | 18:55 |
| sledges | i'll just insert a simple VFAT one and see which process takes over | 18:56 |
| sledges | for starters | 18:56 |
| Lancer | Well got usb ssh to work. https://together.jolla.com/question/1919/connecting-to-jolla-via-ssh-over-usb---___-- | 18:56 |
| sledges | Lancer: good | 18:57 |
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| sledges | Lancer: did you register/signed-in with jolla account during the very first boot of the devices, or did you skip it? | 18:57 |
| Lancer | Signed in. I got the apps to work. They just don't download via wifi | 18:58 |
| Lancer | 3G works | 18:58 |
| sledges | Lancer: that's the thing | 18:58 |
| sledges | in that thread above | 18:58 |
| sledges | also, one answer is to try another WLAN | 18:59 |
| sledges | (of your neighbour, or even a wifi hotspot from your SGS) | 18:59 |
| sledges | Lancer: if it's a DNS issue (and i hope you won't need to do the weird factory reset bit), we can see what IP it resolves to on your wifi | 18:59 |
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| * pahartik would very much like to "pkcon install avahi-daemon" | 19:01 | |
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| Lancer | blah. didn't even realise I was some random wifi and not my own | 19:11 |
| Lancer | Store works with my own wifi | 19:11 |
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| Lancer | Had wifi turned off. shitty wireless router limits my connection. | 19:12 |
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| sledges | :)) | 19:14 |
| sledges | all's well what ends well Lancer ;) | 19:14 |
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| Lancer | 90% of the problems are in front of the screen. But still this is bit tricky to use | 19:15 |
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| sledges | details? | 19:15 |
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| Lancer | huh? Store didn't work on some random open wlan I had been using. Works fine with my home wlan which I just turned on | 19:16 |
| sledges | that i understood | 19:17 |
| sledges | "in front of the screen; tricky to use" - 'not so mach' :) | 19:17 |
| Lancer | Had to play with the time settings and 3g to get developer mode on | 19:18 |
| sledges | maybe that random open wlan wanted to take you to a sign-in page first via browser | 19:18 |
| Lancer | negative. browser worked fine | 19:18 |
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| Lancer | Was using youtube earlier with no problems | 19:19 |
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| Lancer | Still fail to use SSH via wlan | 19:22 |
| Yaniel | which wawy? | 19:22 |
| Yaniel | -w | 19:22 |
| Nicd- | I want to love you jolla but this shutdown issue is too much :( | 19:24 |
| Yaniel | random shutdowns? | 19:24 |
| Nekron | good evening... wanted to watch the ilympic games livestream on Jolla but unfortunately its rtsp link that I can not open... any clues? | 19:24 |
| sledges | Nicd-: and valentine's is coming.. | 19:24 |
| Yaniel | still haven't had any | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | currently it shuts down almost every time I start using it | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | so I always have to reboot it 1-2 times | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | 4 shutdowns within the last hour | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | what is different from factory state? | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | and a 7 iteration boot loop | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | huhu, that is bad | 19:25 |
| clau | is there any known reason for all these shutdowns? | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: and the battery-out-for-10-minutes doesn't help? | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | Pnuu: didn't | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | :-/ | 19:25 |
| clau | I currently don't have the problem, but I would sure like to know what to *not* do to cause it | 19:25 |
| Nicd- | current uptime record since thursday is 23 hours | 19:26 |
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| Lancer | ah. Wlan ssh issue. Phone goes to sleep mode | 19:26 |
| clau | Nicd-, has anyone from Jolla said anything about it? | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | clau: no clue | 19:26 |
| clau | :( | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | clau: no | 19:26 |
| sledges | they're working on it hard | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I haven't touched any system files, only software from openrepos is mitakuuluu | 19:26 |
| Yaniel | could it be related to that? | 19:27 |
| Nicd- | it seems to shut down when I am touching the screen | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | iirc stskeeps said something about the bootloop, just a sec, I'll try to grep | 19:27 |
| clau | Lancer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92183 | 19:27 |
| Nicd- | scrolling or tapping | 19:27 |
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| clau | Yaniel, I have mitakuuluu too, and no such problem as Nicd- has | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | hm | 19:28 |
| clau | I'm using mitakuuluu for a long time now, and have upgraded a bunch of times. except for some problems with mitakuuluu itself, phone is stable | 19:29 |
| Pnuu | 13:20 < Stskeeps> AntiHawk: pull out the battery 10 minutes and try again; it's an issue we're looking actively at | 19:29 |
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| Iltsu | I have lots of stuff from openrepos and also no problems | 19:29 |
| Lancer | ^ where can I get mitakuuluu? | 19:29 |
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| Iltsu | like every other update of mitakuuluu is somehow broken | 19:30 |
| Nicd- | Pnuu: tried it once and it didn't help long (maybe that evening) | 19:30 |
| clau | Lancer, you can download the rpm from openrepos (link in a moment) | 19:30 |
| Venemo_j | that's only until I implement the russian roulette app and put it into openrepos | 19:30 |
| Nicd- | what sucks is that I don't have any spare phone | 19:30 |
| clau | Lancer, or install Warehouse app, from openrepos.net | 19:30 |
| clau | again, by getting a rpm | 19:30 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: yeah, the later half was the main point, they're inspecting the issue | 19:31 |
| clau | at least Warehouse will notify you when there's an update for mitakuuluu | 19:31 |
| clau | Iltsu, somewhat understandable since the developer (coderus) doesn't actually have a phone :) | 19:31 |
| clau | Lancer, https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu . There's a link down the page. | 19:32 |
| clau | and this is for warehouse app: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos | 19:33 |
| Venemo_j | russian roulette app: by a push of a button, dd a few bytes from /dev/random to your bootloader partition | 19:33 |
| Lancer | thanks. already found it from openrepos.net | 19:33 |
| Lancer | downloading currently | 19:33 |
| Venemo_j | the person whose jolla remains bootable for the longest, wins | 19:33 |
| Venemo_j | and the trouble is, openrepos would allow such an app | 19:34 |
| sledges | Venemo_j: rofl | 19:34 |
| clau | who knows, maybe by writing random bytes over the bootloader you will actually fix it ;) | 19:34 |
| Venemo_j | sledges: just to illustrate my point about openrepos | 19:35 |
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| sledges | Venemo_j: point taken, though you don't install arbitrary apps from there ;) | 19:35 |
| Venemo_j | it'd be a specially prepared version of something else | 19:36 |
| sledges | ah, irc chatter | 19:36 |
| sledges | *g* | 19:36 |
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| * sledges wonders how long it will take until sfos community starts having rogue developers; which is good because it means it's really widespread! :) | 19:37 | |
| Lancer | .rpm can I download mitakuuluu directly to the phone and install it? Since I can't seem to get the file do anything | 19:37 |
| Venemo_j | maybe a special edition of tweetian, promising some random feature | 19:37 |
| Lancer | Not like amazonappstore.apk | 19:37 |
| sledges | Lancer: via terminal (surprise surprise) | 19:38 |
| sledges | pkcon install-local RPM | 19:38 |
| Venemo_j | rpm -i | 19:38 |
| sledges | that ^ | 19:39 |
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| TemeV | it can be installed from a file browser | 19:41 |
| TemeV | no need for terminal | 19:41 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo_j: that's why there should be some security stuff, like for example SMACK that Tizen uses | 19:42 |
| Lancer | thanks TemeV | 19:42 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo_j: there was a case when flashlight app from Jolla Store gathered some data | 19:43 |
| Venemo_j | fk_lx: and QA in openrepos | 19:43 |
| clau | fk_lx, I second that | 19:43 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo_j: and it passed Jolla QA | 19:43 |
| clau | QA is not enough, by far. | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | so for me it's not about Openrepos vs. Jolla Store vs _other_shops_repositories | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | rather the security of the OS | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | and what it allows installed aplication to od | 19:44 |
| fk_lx | do | 19:44 |
| clau | currently any app can run pkmon and install stuff | 19:44 |
| clau | uhm, pkcon | 19:44 |
| clau | sadly, atm the security of sailfish os is just non-existent :( | 19:45 |
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| clau | though, I would bet they are working on it. | 19:45 |
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| clau | the security could probably be achieved by means that linux already offers, starting with users/groups. | 19:48 |
| clau | the only missing part would be the user interaction, ie. getting asked when an app wants to do bad stuff | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally, you want something rather more than that. | 19:48 |
| clau | you can get a lot more, starting from that | 19:49 |
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| clau | but I would rather have something that's been tested for decades at the base of the entire security model | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like supporting pretty much every android permission - including stuff that doesn't have readily available permissions - like 'can use internet' | 19:49 |
| clau | instead of reinventing the wheel | 19:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Aegis - properly configured - came pretty close. | 19:49 |
| clau | if I recall, netfilter / iptables can filter based on user/group | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | (It was not properly configured) | 19:49 |
| clau | though, I'm mostly a freebsd user | 19:49 |
| clau | so, then you would need interaction between netfilter and a userland module that would warn the user | 19:50 |
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| clau | module = app, program, whatever --- not as in kernel module | 19:50 |
| clau | then there are unix domain sockets, which you can use to build secure API's over | 19:51 |
| clau | and you don't need to use fancy yet untested stuff | 19:51 |
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| clau | in fact, I have already noticed there are a bunch of groups in /etc/groups | 19:52 |
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| clau | which indicate that at least at some point someone thought this is the way | 19:52 |
| clau | but I have absolutely no idea what the plans inside Jolla are in this regard | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's - largely - irrelevant in the short term. | 19:53 |
| clau | uhm, /etc/group (without s -- typo) | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply due to the tiny, tiny number of Jolla devices purchased. | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (compared to total number of phones) | 19:53 |
| clau | I disagree. It is very relevant. Currently Sailfish OS is at the same level as Win95. | 19:54 |
| clau | However, I do understand they have priorities and limited resources. | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure - however 95 was a market leading platform, attracting the expected level of exploits | 19:55 |
| TheBootroo | Hi ! | 19:55 |
| clau | And I assume their main goal was to launch by the deadline, and not just for users. | 19:55 |
| TheBootroo | for which reason would an app work in Emulator, but wouldn't start on device, with no error at all | 19:55 |
| TheBootroo | ? | 19:55 |
| clau | SpeedEvil, currently it's so easy to hack Jolla that you don't need special attention. | 19:55 |
| clau | A simple browser exploit would open up root access easily. | 19:56 |
| TheBootroo | and wierd thing, starting it in command lines says nothing, and ldd returns nothing too O.o | 19:56 |
| clau | Since user nemo can run pkcon and do stuff. | 19:56 |
| Acce | TheBootroo: try with gdb | 19:56 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: how ? debuggin through QtC fails | 19:56 |
| Acce | in fingerterm / ssh | 19:56 |
| TheBootroo | is there gdb on device itself ? | 19:56 |
| Acce | yep | 19:57 |
| Acce | or you can at least install it from repos | 19:57 |
| TheBootroo | nice how do i start my app in gdb ? | 19:57 |
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| Acce | gdb your-app | 19:57 |
| TheBootroo | i'm on ssh already | 19:57 |
| clau | SpeedEvil, and we all know how bad at security browsers are. | 19:57 |
| Acce | when it has started, just type "run" and enter | 19:57 |
| TheBootroo | gdb: command not found | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | clau: technically - I don't disagree with you. | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | clau: however - more people are using the n900 at this point, I suspect. | 19:57 |
| Acce | TheBootroo: pkcon install gdb | 19:58 |
| TheBootroo | yep | 19:58 |
| TheBootroo | doing it | 19:58 |
| clau | SpeedEvil, ok, I understand what you mean, and tech discussion aside, I agree. | 19:58 |
| fk_lx | btw. why reinventing the wheel, why not join Tizen efforts in SMACK | 19:58 |
| fk_lx | http://lwn.net/Articles/552787/ | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | 'joining' large projects can be very unpretty | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego springs to mind. | 19:59 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: installed, i did gdb /usr/bin/myapp | 19:59 |
| TheBootroo | but it does nothing special | 19:59 |
| Acce | did the gdb start? | 19:59 |
| Acce | is there a prompt? | 20:00 |
| TheBootroo | yep prompt | 20:00 |
| Acce | then "run" | 20:00 |
| fk_lx | http://schaufler-ca.com/description_from_the_linux_source_tree | 20:00 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: http://pastebin.com/UAmuk0cf | 20:01 |
| Acce | yep, type "run" and push enter | 20:01 |
| Acce | then it starts your app | 20:01 |
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| TheBootroo | Acce: [Inferior 1 (process 2649) exited with code 01] | 20:04 |
| Acce | uh, what could that mean | 20:04 |
| TheBootroo | as i said, no error, just exit 0 | 20:04 |
| TheBootroo | weird | 20:04 |
| Acce | and on emulator it works nicely? | 20:05 |
| Acce | sorry to ask such question, but did you change the build target? | 20:05 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: yep, and chagned version number , make clean, qmake | 20:05 |
| TheBootroo | just to be sure i don't start x86 exec on ARM | 20:06 |
| Acce | hmm | 20:06 |
| TheBootroo | but don't worry i'm not beginner at this point, that's my fourth Sailfish app | 20:06 |
| Acce | ok | 20:06 |
| TheBootroo | i just never used debuggung as my apps did work perfectly | 20:07 |
| TheBootroo | except this new one | 20:07 |
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| Acce | well it sounds really weird to me that it works in emulator but not on device | 20:08 |
| Acce | the two shouldn't be that much different | 20:08 |
| TheBootroo | yep excepted the CPU architecture | 20:09 |
| TheBootroo | and also some soft versions | 20:09 |
| TheBootroo | what is the most weird is the exit with code 0 | 20:09 |
| TheBootroo | i should have errors | 20:09 |
| TheBootroo | or at least my qWarning should show | 20:10 |
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| Xproz | hi... | 20:11 |
| Acce | well, just put qDebugs so long as you find the place it stops, I guess | 20:11 |
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| Acce | since the debugging is little bit crippled | 20:12 |
| Acce | unless you're good with gdb.. | 20:12 |
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| TheBootroo | Acce: i installed the debug pacakges generated by QtC, nothing more | 20:13 |
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| Acce | yep, I mean, just put stuff like qDebug (or console.log) to Component.onCompleted's etc to see what does not get ready | 20:13 |
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| TheBootroo | Acce: just put a qWarning at first line of main (), it deosn't show | 20:16 |
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| Acce | that's weird | 20:18 |
| Acce | Let's hope someone more knowledgeable knows what that could be | 20:18 |
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| TheBootroo | the fact ldd /usr/bin/myapp says nothing too is weird | 20:20 |
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| Acce | what libraries do you link against? | 20:20 |
| Acce | maybe they're missing on the device | 20:20 |
| TheBootroo | Qt5, silicapp, and libspotify | 20:20 |
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| Acce | well, I have never seen ldd not give anything | 20:23 |
| Acce | so hard for me to come up with anythin | 20:23 |
| sledges | would sound like a wrong arch.. | 20:24 |
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| AL13N | wdyt about Venemo 's IRC program... is it good? | 20:34 |
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| AL13N | btw: can we turn off the sounds it makes to take a picture and/or to unlock the phone? | 20:35 |
| stephg | everyone seems to love it | 20:35 |
| AL13N | for if we stealthily take a pic | 20:35 |
| AL13N | at FOSDEM, i passed by a girl which has her boobs somewhat visible, i wasn't sure if i should take a pic while passing | 20:36 |
| AL13N | btw: anyone know if there's a way to easily install chroots with repositories? | 20:37 |
| AL13N | urpmi has such a way | 20:37 |
| AL13N | fedora doesn't have something like that | 20:37 |
| Acce | AL13N: muting all sounds mutes shutter | 20:37 |
| AL13N | but has like 20 steps or something | 20:37 |
| pahartik | AL13N: I have set my "Jolla Mobile" silent | 20:37 |
| ortylp | AL13N: the app is really nice, but Jolla's screen is too small | 20:37 |
| AL13N | Acce: does it also not sounds the unlock sound? | 20:38 |
| Acce | probably | 20:38 |
| AL13N | ortylp: maybe the font just needs to be smaller | 20:38 |
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| pahartik | AL13N: I do not get sounds while unlocking | 20:38 |
| AL13N | so, ok, first mute all sounds, then unlock, then open picture app from lock screen, then turn off flash and then take a pic of boobs | 20:39 |
| AL13N | should be doable | 20:39 |
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| AL13N | i forgot pinch to zoom :-) | 20:39 |
| ortylp | AL13N: the font size is ok, i would not get it much smaller | 20:39 |
| stephg | pinching tends to provoke angry reactions ;) | 20:40 |
| AL13N | stephg: lol | 20:40 |
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| AL13N | my sis-in-law saw my jolla, and was jealous | 20:40 |
| AL13N | her huwaywey or whatever you call it, isn't cutting it anymore | 20:41 |
| ortylp | another jolla irc user has joined ;) | 20:41 |
| AL13N | ah, sailfish nickname | 20:41 |
| AL13N | btw: does the irc make sounds? | 20:42 |
| AL13N | cause if i chat at night in bed, my wife don't need to wake up | 20:42 |
| ortylp | only if your nick gets mentioned | 20:42 |
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| AL13N | ok, that's cool | 20:42 |
| AL13N | heh, i guess alot of people were really waiting on the IRC for sailfishOS :-) | 20:43 |
| Acce | anyone know how you can set pop3 email so that it won't delete stuff from the server on Jolla | 20:43 |
| AL13N | now a good ebook reader, a good manga reader and some *dav and then we're set | 20:44 |
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| ortylp | well... proper screen and keyboard make irc easier | 20:44 |
| Matoking | Yeah this IRC app feels pretty great | 20:44 |
| ortylp | fbreader from fdroid works just fine | 20:44 |
| AL13N | ortylp: well, you know, get a vnc to your computer and you'll be set | 20:44 |
| AL13N | ortylp: sorry, i was speaking of native | 20:45 |
| Matoking | Could use landscape orientation support though | 20:45 |
| AL13N | ortylp: iinm, someone was working on one | 20:45 |
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| AL13N | Matoking: wouldn't you have less lines then? | 20:45 |
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| Matoking | Yeah but sometimes I find it more comfortable for typing | 20:46 |
| ortylp | Matoking: lsndcape for reading would be useful, fir writing portrait seems to work better | 20:46 |
| Matoking | Besides, most of the time I use a really small font size | 20:46 |
| Matoking | If that can be adjusted | 20:47 |
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| ortylp | AL13N: there is an entry on together, vote! | 20:47 |
| AL13N | ortylp: i know, i did this morning | 20:48 |
| AL13N | and commented on it | 20:48 |
| AL13N | i saw your name on it | 20:49 |
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| ortylp | AL13N: IRC app does not make any sounds except if you are mentioned AND the app/screen was in background. So it is safe for use in bed :p | 20:51 |
| Acce | it has "safe for bed usage" CE marking | 20:52 |
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| raa79 | china export | 21:00 |
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| AL13N | Acce: ortylp: lol | 21:02 |
| AL13N | this reminds me, i wonder why only android apps are marked in store, i would expect that the sailfishOS apps had a similar icon | 21:02 |
| Waitee | why would they need to get marked | 21:03 |
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| AL13N | Waitee: they don't need to | 21:03 |
| AL13N | i just expected jolla to implement it like that | 21:04 |
| AL13N | well, it's not a big thing either way | 21:04 |
| Waitee | tbh im kinda annoyed they arent marked with the sailfish logo :D | 21:04 |
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| Matoking | What I find annoying is that their "recommended apps" image has the icon of the file manager even if it can't be found on the Jolla Store :P | 21:06 |
| AL13N | (yet) | 21:07 |
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| Normal__ | btw, tjc btrfs question https://together.jolla.com/question/26314/btrfs-device-scan/ | 21:10 |
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| raa79 | should i worry that i have rapidly flashing red led? | 21:13 |
| slate | I got green one also time to time, but usually it just reboots. | 21:13 |
| slate | :) | 21:13 |
| Waitee | :D | 21:13 |
| Waitee | /set led_color random | 21:14 |
| raa79 | out of power | 21:14 |
| FireFly | raa79: I think that's what happens at low battery? | 21:14 |
| raa79 | though it's plugged in | 21:14 |
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| raa79 | mby my pc usb doesn't give enough juice | 21:15 |
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| Waitee | pc usb usually gives less than 500mA | 21:15 |
| Waitee | i have motherboard made by Asrock and the usb2.0 ports give 350mA | 21:16 |
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| AL13N_jolla | I'm on the IRC client now too :-) | 21:23 |
| slate | was thinking that maybe now its time to get familiar with irssi-proxy again | 21:24 |
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| ortylp | AL13N_jolla: you have two clones here | 21:25 |
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| AL13N_jolla | only two, that is not so bad. | 21:26 |
| AL13N_jolla | slate ;-) | 21:26 |
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| AL13N_jolla | ok i see the problem... this client needs special keyb support | 21:27 |
| vgrade | slate: I tried proxy earlier today, I got connection but channels were not registered on jolla | 21:27 |
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| slate | going to try it now too | 21:28 |
| AL13N_jolla | channel names dont need dict | 21:28 |
| AL13N_jolla | and need tab key for usernames | 21:28 |
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| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: use tab icon | 21:29 |
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| AL13N_jolla | O_o | 21:29 |
| AL13N_jolla | vgrade: nice | 21:30 |
| * AL13N_jolla likes | 21:30 | |
| vgrade | took me while to click | 21:30 |
| AL13N_jolla | still need / key | 21:30 |
| AL13N_jolla | and smileys | 21:31 |
| * Acce gives free smileys: :) :D :P xD | 21:31 | |
| AL13N_jolla | still, very nice | 21:31 |
| slate | vgrade: same here, no channels with proxy. | 21:31 |
| AL13N_jolla | actually, the smileys could be in the standard keyb | 21:32 |
| vgrade | slate: not sure where issue lies, will wait to see if any irc experts on | 21:33 |
| AL13N_jolla | is this on jolla or via ssh? | 21:34 |
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| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: irssi setup with proxy mode on hetner host root server, jolla irc configured to connect to root server pirc proxy | 21:36 |
| vgrade | no ssh | 21:37 |
| AL13N_jolla | ah | 21:37 |
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| AL13N_jolla | app has nice cover too | 21:38 |
| AL13N_jolla | too bad Venemo isn't around | 21:39 |
| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: yes I'm getting more used to leaving things open now and using cover feedback | 21:39 |
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| AL13N_jolla | oh wait, he is | 21:39 |
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| AL13N_jolla | Venemo: good job | 21:40 |
| * pahartik currently has "irssi irssiproxy" with another "irssi", "quassel-core", "weechat" and "communi-sailfish" behind it through "::1" over SSH port forwarding | 21:40 | |
| stephg_j | now that I look at it I'm not sure how much smaller the font could get | 21:41 |
| vgrade | pahartik: can you explain further | 21:41 |
| AL13N_jolla | vgrade: what happens if i get disconnected from internet? | 21:42 |
| AL13N_jolla | stephg_j: it looks pretty big for me... | 21:42 |
| pahartik | vgrade: Well, as in, "how to set it up" or something? | 21:42 |
| stephg_j | well they could be as small is the ones with the app icons but that gets harder to read | 21:43 |
| slate | proxy needed servers added to conf? | 21:43 |
| stephg_j | the inout box could be smaller tho' | 21:43 |
| AL13N_jolla | stephg_j: like fingerterm small | 21:43 |
| vgrade | pahartik: yes, I have irssi on internet connected server. and followed instructions at http://www.irssi.org/documentation/proxy | 21:44 |
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| vgrade | pahartik: when I connect from jolla irc client I can see conection received on server but no channels show up on jolla client | 21:45 |
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| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: idea is that server always stays connected and jolla client can come and go. But keep same nick , channels | 21:46 |
| AL13N_jolla | no, I meant directly | 21:47 |
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| AL13N_jolla | if i keep the app open and lose connectivity? | 21:48 |
| pahartik | vgrade: Are ports defined for appropriate IRC networks? | 21:48 |
| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: just reconect client | 21:48 |
| slate | pahartik: just added networks and servers, same thing with sailfish irc-client | 21:49 |
| vgrade | pahartik: I did "/set irssiproxy_ports irc.freenode.net=2777" | 21:49 |
| pahartik | vgrade: I am not sure if it is supposed to work that way | 21:50 |
| vgrade | ok | 21:50 |
| pahartik | vgrade: I have "irssiproxy_ports = IrcNet=3822 EFnet=3823 freenode=3824 FurNet=3825 OFTC=3826 AnthroChat=3827" | 21:51 |
| vgrade | and how does it map freenode to server irc.freenode.net | 21:51 |
| pahartik | vgrade: On server list, servers are assigned to networks | 21:51 |
| slate | 23:49 -!- freenode: adams.freenode.net:6667 (freenode) | 21:52 |
| slate | 23:49 -!- IRCnet: irc.in.tum.de:6667 (IRCnet) | 21:52 |
| slate | still the same problem | 21:52 |
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| vgrade | slate: pahartik got to go, bedtime, thanks for the help. Catch up tomorrow | 21:53 |
| slate | yup, will let you know if I get it running | 21:53 |
| slate | nught | 21:53 |
| slate | night | 21:53 |
| AL13N_jolla | what does open a query do? | 21:53 |
| slate | /msg | 21:54 |
| vgrade | AL13N_jolla: you can talk 1 to 1 with nick | 21:54 |
| AL13N_jolla | so, an inefficient way to pm? | 21:54 |
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| pahartik | slate: It is easy to set up, but since I figured it out 10 years ago, maybe I overlook something | 21:55 |
| AL13N_jolla | like pulling right | 21:55 |
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| slate | pahartik: I used it 10 years ago also. | 21:55 |
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| slate | would be easiest to testrun it with a final version of and irc-client | 21:55 |
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| slate | hmm, works now, just added the networks / servers to irssi so the proxy maps everything ok. | 22:07 |
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| Normal__ | Anyone here able to respond to a question about how Sailfish mounts root? | 22:18 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | sorry | 22:20 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | I assume you already checked /proc/cmdline ? | 22:22 |
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