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| SpeedEvil | I recently mentioned attempting to see about squaretrade warranty for my phone. | 02:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Squaretrade said no. | 02:35 |
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| HeartMeeple | I'm excited to say that I just got a nokia n9 to enjoy. | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | that's good | 06:51 |
| HeartMeeple | it will have to satiate my desires for a jolla phone until they come to canada. | 06:51 |
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| stephg | happy Friday everyone | 06:53 |
| HeartMeeple | Is there any rumours about when Jolla will be in North America? | 06:53 |
| HeartMeeple | stephg: happy Friday! | 06:54 |
| special | 6 more minutes | 06:54 |
| nahkiss | it's not happy until one gets off from work | 06:54 |
| stephg | does you car turn into a pumpkin in 4 minutes special ? ;) | 06:56 |
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| HeartMeeple | special: it is an hour and 2 minutes here. | 06:58 |
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| nahkiss | anyone else receiving all sms's double ? | 07:23 |
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| nahkiss | not sure if it's jolla or something else | 07:23 |
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| SfietKonstantin | nahkiss: I'm not receiving double SMS here | 07:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | so maybe your provider | 07:27 |
| stephg | ditto | 07:27 |
| tbr | which operator? | 07:28 |
| special | nahkiss: we've had reports of that, so far hard to tell what's going on | 07:29 |
| special | although I think it's been an intermittent problem for others | 07:29 |
| nahkiss | yeah it's not all of them, but few enought for me to notice it | 07:30 |
| Testaaja | Good Morning from Finnland. I get almost all sms double. | 07:30 |
| Testaaja | 9.30 AM here | 07:30 |
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| special | Testaaja: nahkiss: what operators? although I doubt that's related | 07:31 |
| tbr | Testaaja: which operator | 07:31 |
| nahkiss | Saunalahti | 07:31 |
| Testaaja | Sonera | 07:31 |
| nahkiss | also, a bit annoying that sms history resets to bottom every few seconds, can't really scroll slowly at the old ones | 07:31 |
| special | sounds like not an operator problem then | 07:32 |
| special | other reports from vodaphone NL and UK, DNA.. | 07:32 |
| osaton | nahkiss, indeed | 07:32 |
| nahkiss | The double sms's arent from the same person too | 07:32 |
| special | https://together.jolla.com/question/22782/bug-phone-receive-same-sms-many-times/ | 07:32 |
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| cff | Hello, how Sailfish OS generates IMEIs ? Is this a valid IMEI? 0123451234512345 | 07:34 |
| special | IMEIs are assigned, not generated | 07:34 |
| cff | yeah but I find that IMEI strange for an 'alien_jolla_bionic' | 07:35 |
| special | ah, are you asking for the IMEI via some android application? | 07:35 |
| cff | special: because its not actually a valid IMEI according to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Station_Equipment_Identity | 07:35 |
| cff | err, the IMEI is 123451234512345 | 07:36 |
| Sail0r | yep it's a faked imei ^^ | 07:36 |
| special | (you can see the real one in settings, system, about product) | 07:36 |
| cff | a customer claims he has that IMEI | 07:37 |
| cff | which I doubt | 07:37 |
| Sail0r | all jollas have this imei in the android layer | 07:37 |
| special | does that break android applications (other than confusing advertisers)? | 07:38 |
| Sail0r | not for me | 07:39 |
| Sail0r | but maybe tracking is a bit harder ^^ | 07:39 |
| chriadam | privacy feature *cough* | 07:40 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 07:40 |
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| special | Testaaja: nahkiss: I poked the internal bug about duplicate SMS again | 07:44 |
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| tbr | Testaaja nahkiss - is this constantly reproducible for you? | 08:13 |
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| Testaaja | I just update my Jolla to 1.0.3.8. so don't know. | 08:16 |
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| Testaaja | but I think it was moore common earlier. | 08:16 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: removing the battery for 10 minutes didn't help with the shutdown issue. :/ had 3 shutdowns yesterday when I was outside, then one when I came back inside | 08:16 |
| Nicd- | each time I was using the phone | 08:16 |
| Nicd- | also after the last shutdown battery showed 4 % even though it was about 50 % about 30 minutes before | 08:17 |
| TemeV | Nicd-: i tried it also, and didn't help | 08:17 |
| Testaaja | Nobody send me sms, but my wife | 08:18 |
| nahkiss | yeah kinda the same here | 08:18 |
| nahkiss | :D | 08:18 |
| ln- | nahkiss: why does Testaaja's wife send sms to you? | 08:19 |
| nahkiss | It hasn't happened twice for same person yet, but I really don't get many sms's per day | 08:19 |
| nahkiss | ln-: shhh! | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | random question, did your wife by chance send with emoji / emoticons etc? | 08:19 |
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| Quu | smileys Stskeeps, smileys | 08:20 |
| nahkiss | I've seen it happen pre- and post-naamankajärvi, in one and multi-part sms's and with and without emoticons | 08:21 |
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| tbr | if someone wants to help with this: we need logs of this happening for jolla to investigate | 08:25 |
| tbr | to ensure you get the RIL logs: | 08:25 |
| tbr | echo "y" | rm /dev/log | 08:25 |
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| tbr | mkdir /dev/log | 08:25 |
| tbr | touch /dev/log/radio | 08:25 |
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| tbr | and then this should produce logs (after a reboot probably): | 08:27 |
| tbr | system/bin/logcat -b radio -v time | 08:27 |
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| ln- | unrelated, but instead of that echo "y" pipe stuff one could avoid aliases by saying e.g.: "rm" /dev/log | 08:27 |
| * tbr just copy-wasted ;) | 08:28 | |
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| ar | you can also do "yes | rm /dev/log | 08:30 |
| ar | (assuming that "yes" is present on jolla, didn't check) | 08:31 |
| cff | Can I install Sailfish OS on a Samsung Galaxy Nexus in dual boot mode? | 08:31 |
| cff | with Android | 08:31 |
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| nahkiss | yeah it does produce logs, should I pipe this to a file or something when I expect to receive sms? :P | 08:33 |
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| tbr | nahkiss: IIRC logcat has a sizeable ring-buffer, so it might even be enough to pipe it out after the fact | 08:36 |
| tbr | cff: does the GNex run CM10.1? | 08:36 |
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| niqt | morning | 08:38 |
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| cff | tbr: CM 10.2 with Android 4.4.2 | 08:38 |
| niqt | is this tag nfc http://www.amazon.it/Sticker-Nexus-Samsung-Galaxy-adesivi/dp/B00CPOHX0E/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1391762109&sr=8-5&keywords=nfc compatible with jolla device? | 08:38 |
| tbr | cff: then it will eventually be possible to run sailfish | 08:38 |
| cff | I've seen this http://liliputing.com/2014/01/jollas-sailfish-os-ported-run-nexus-4.html | 08:38 |
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| cff | tbr: then I'll give it a try | 08:39 |
| tbr | niqt: my italian sucks, but I'm guessing those are mifare ultralight tags or such. That should work, but keep in mind that the jolla is not usable as a general purpose reader as is | 08:40 |
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| niqt | tbr: will be usable in the future as a reader or will it always so? | 08:43 |
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| tbr | niqt: it was engineered as an TOH-tag-reader. it is by design not able to read tags outside the TOH due to _very_ limited range. | 08:44 |
| niqt | uhm | 08:45 |
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| kehnoo | I think the battery bug is back for me, my phone has gone from 90ish % to under 40 for two nights in row with just email sync open | 08:56 |
| Acce | niqt: you could always try to hack it | 08:56 |
| Acce | with some kind of antenna amplifier contraption | 08:57 |
| Acce | or you could make a NFC reader TOH | 08:57 |
| niqt | I'm going to buy a welder :D | 08:58 |
| tbr | nahkiss: updated instructions: http://ruecker.fi/foss/sailfish/telephony-debug.txt | 08:59 |
| tbr | nahkiss: this produces lots of logs, so disable once you've caught what you wanted | 09:00 |
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| nahkiss | tbr: should I somehow restore the original /dev/log -file ? | 09:01 |
| tbr | nah | 09:01 |
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| japee_ | after I updated my jolla to the latest version, the battery consumption felt really nice, even 2-3 days uptime | 09:18 |
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| japee_ | now it has started to crash randomly.. when viewing jolla store os exploring gallery.. anyone else have crashing issues after the newest update? | 09:19 |
| tbr | crash? | 09:19 |
| japee_ | random shutdowns | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | japee_: that's a widespread problem | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | not related to gallery, can happen anywhere | 09:21 |
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| japee_ | that problem hasn't occured on my jolla before, was working just nice | 09:22 |
| japee_ | but started after the newest update | 09:22 |
| Quu | japee_: for some (me.) those problems started before 1.0.2.5 | 09:22 |
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| Quu | and ended before 1.0.3.8 | 09:23 |
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| Sail0r | http://etherealmind.com/net-neutrality-and-net-reality/ | 09:24 |
| japee_ | yeah, I read about those | 09:24 |
| Quu | i tried everything you can. stopped messing with settings/stuff and the problem ended week later without me changing stuff in that week | 09:25 |
| Quu | so uh. magic | 09:25 |
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| joonahoi | japee_: i got few random crashes too after 1.0.3.8, had something to do with battery charge reported wrong, removed my battery for a good 10mins as suggested solved it for me. | 09:30 |
| japee_ | aa ok | 09:30 |
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| japee_ | i thought some time ago that there was something wrong with my phone because of over 48h of uptime :D | 09:31 |
| joonahoi | well, not very random, they occured when the battery draw got significantly bigger, eg: recording video, or using app that used up much cpu | 09:31 |
| japee_ | still 28% left and I'll leave it to end and then remove battery and try that | 09:31 |
| Quu | well, sometimes it happened with full battery and just unlocking the phone | 09:32 |
| japee_ | yea, that one too | 09:32 |
| Quu | with only sms-app open | 09:32 |
| joonahoi | all of my crashes were related to heavy cpu utilization | 09:32 |
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| joonahoi | and got fixed by the battery removal | 09:32 |
| joonahoi | (also they occured only after 1.0.3.8) | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | mining bitcoins with your jolla perhaps? :) | 09:33 |
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| joonahoi | nah, was trying to heat a frozen pizza | 09:34 |
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| ggabriel | pizza... yum | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | i should have had pizza for breakfast | 09:35 |
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| tango_ | ggabriel: cold leftover pizza from the fridge, from the day before = best. breakfast. ever. | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | tango_: i can't agree more | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | it has to be cold too | 10:12 |
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| Acce | heating a cold pizza is crime | 10:12 |
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| stephg | I know people that prefer left-over curry | 10:12 |
| stephg | I think they're ma | 10:12 |
| stephg | d | 10:12 |
| stephg | pizza all the way | 10:12 |
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| ggabriel | so | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | when is the next update then? :-) | 10:16 |
| tango_ | well leftover curry isn't bad | 10:16 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: there is here-daemons held back on my device... | 10:16 |
| Acce | ggabriel: https://github.com/Tofee/harbour-unofficialETA | 10:17 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I hope soon(tm) is within 14days as 3.8 is so buggy that I am thinking about reverting back to 2.5 | 10:17 |
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| Pnuu | haven't had any problems | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | lol re eta app | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | i must play with the jolla a bit more, as i haven't experienced too many bugs | 10:18 |
| chem|st | rpm pkcon zypper are so a step back when you are used to apt... | 10:18 |
| Pnuu | and 3.8 got rid of the annoyance with locking the screen | 10:18 |
| * ggabriel not used to apt, not sure he likes it | 10:18 | |
| chem|st | ggabriel: find a dodgy wlan and you will find yourself rebooting | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: interesting | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | with the previous fw i had several problems as my ssid is hidden | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | now it works flawlessly | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, i need to take it out for a ride | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | and continue voting | 10:19 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: there are nice features yes, locking the screen and going back to the last app did help and rotating browser, but connman/wlan and rotation and gesture-rotation are so show stoppers | 10:19 |
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| Pnuu | I'd also prefer that the gestures didn't rotate, but I've learned to live with it | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | too used to the n9? :) | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | actually, the n9 is a mess | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | some gestures rotate, some don't | 10:20 |
| Pnuu | never tried N9 | 10:21 |
| chem|st | I stopped by two friends yesterday, one sold his soul to iOS and does want to change but never to android not only but because of the buttons rotating with the ui and the other is an android developer who was able to find an inconsistency within 30seconds | 10:21 |
| Pnuu | but with the rotating gestures it's hard to use them without looking at the phone to check the orientation | 10:22 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: ehrm gestures rotate on N9 with screen rotation | 10:22 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: bugs not considered as sometimes the gesture rotatet without the screen or the screen without the gestures | 10:22 |
| jussi | bah, if you are eating pizza cold you are doing it wrong(tm) | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yeah, i guess the ones that don't rotate are just bugs | 10:24 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: exactly my point! it is soooo stupid and annoying to have had a muscle memory friendly ui changed to completely fcked up rotation implementation as A and B rotating gestures | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | i don't complain tho, i love the n9 | 10:24 |
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| Venemo | hey :) | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | jussi: speak for yourself :P | 10:24 |
| Venemo | news: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92631 | 10:24 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: did you vote for the "stop gesture rotation setting" | 10:24 |
| jussi | ggabriel: Im guessing you have never had pizza warmed up the correct way... | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | jussi: i had pizza warmed up the perfect way, but not for breakfast! | 10:24 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: no, haven't been that active at together, but will if you give the url :-) | 10:25 |
| Acce | jussi: do you mean that news article which told us we have been heating the pizza wrong all the time! | 10:25 |
| Pnuu | *haven't been that active lately | 10:25 |
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| jussi | Acce: no idea what you are talking about, but pizza should be fried to warm it up. unbeleivably good | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | jussi: we are in agreement there | 10:26 |
| Acce | jussi: the article has been deleted from mtv.fi | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | if it has enough cheese, you fry it with its own fat | 10:26 |
| Acce | somebody didn't like heating pizza :/ | 10:26 |
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| chem|st | Pnuu: it is important to at least vote on together as they actually consider it the one and only feedback (when looking on updates they activated completly borked landscape mode as it is one of the top priority list items on together) | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | aye | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | vote for caldav! | 10:27 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: you want it easy? I can post you things to vote in a query?! | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | lol | 10:27 |
| Acce | jussi: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ahnFaXXIyiYJ:www.mtv.fi/makuja/minisaitit/artikkeli.shtml/2013/11/1832636/sailytatko-pizzaa-oikein-nain-se-sailyy-hyvana-viikonlopun%3Fhyvaa_ruokaa/ajankohtaista+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=fi | 10:27 |
| Acce | actually this had nothing to do with heating lol | 10:28 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: atm I'd love to have bugs fixed instead of more borked features, I can live with not having something but it is a pain to have something but unreliable | 10:28 |
| chem|st | Venemo: grats! | 10:28 |
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| chem|st | Venemo: does it support otr? | 10:28 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: found atleast one, and voted | 10:28 |
| Venemo | chem|st: what is otr? | 10:29 |
| Pnuu | over the rainbow | 10:30 |
| jussi | off the record :P | 10:30 |
| Venemo | in that case, the answer is yes, but only if your IRC server resides over a rainbow | 10:31 |
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| jubo2 | how come there are no photo thumbnails in the calls "log" ? | 10:32 |
| Venemo | jubo2: feel free to make a suggestion about it on together | 10:32 |
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| jubo2 | and why isn't the log divided old style, called, answered and missed being the main groups | 10:33 |
| jubo2 | then a "drafts" folder for SMS would be more then appropriate IMO | 10:33 |
| special | idle curiosity: is there a use case for more than one draft at a time per contact? | 10:34 |
| special | for SMS/MMS | 10:34 |
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| chem|st | Venemo: really? OTR is https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ | 10:35 |
| chem|st | special: sure there is | 10:36 |
| tbr | note that OTR is problematic in the context of telepathy, which is the instant messaging framework on the jolla | 10:37 |
| chem|st | special: but I'd just like the one-draft-at-a-time from N9 where what you type is persistent until you sent it or delete | 10:37 |
| Venemo | chem|st, tbr: this is an IRC client, not an OTR client - we don't use telepathy | 10:37 |
| chem|st | tbr: note that otr can be implemented on app layer | 10:38 |
| special | chem|st: yeah, that's why I was asking | 10:38 |
| special | chem|st: I haven't spoken with designers about it yet, but that's what I'm planning. | 10:38 |
| Venemo | chem|st: however, if you think it's a useful feature, feel free to open a feature request on GitHub | 10:38 |
| tbr | chem|st: ok | 10:38 |
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| tbr | chem|st: I just remember that there was discussion about OTR in telepathy and that things were not going forward | 10:38 |
| chem|st | Venemo: otr is not a messaging protocol it is a negotiated encryption format | 10:39 |
| chem|st | so otr != xmpp | 10:39 |
| chem|st | tbr: yes that is a missing feature in telepathy but iirc it is missing cause it will be pretty hard to get it into telepathy | 10:40 |
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| special | https://together.jolla.com/question/1866/otr-in-xmpp-chat/#7216 | 10:40 |
| special | impressive amount of interest in it | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | i don't think otr fits irc | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | there is ssl for that | 10:41 |
| chem|st | as soon as heml.is is available for android there will be no other god beside it! | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | and then you just trust the server... | 10:41 |
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| Venemo | well, you can use SSL in our client | 10:42 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: you must not trust a server if not your server | 10:42 |
| Venemo | otherwise, like I said, please open a feature request on our github page: https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | so, how would otr work in irc? encrypt client vs server | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | which is essentially what ssl does | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | there are private conversations on irc, and i think they have the option to be encrypted, but i can't remember how that works as i hardly used them :) | 10:44 |
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| Nicd- | would someone like to test the next version of SailTime before I push it into harbour? | 11:37 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: btw: i had a spontaneous reboot of the jolla, this night and last night | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | i'm not certain, but it might be accidental pressing of the power button | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | is there a way to configure the halt/boot power sequence? | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | something like pres and hold for 4 sec , then release and press and hold again | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | or something | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | check /var/log/systemboot.log | 11:44 |
| * AL13N_work is checking | 11:44 | |
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| mikma | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=do%20the%20harlem%20shake&sm=3 | 11:45 |
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| wickwire | Nicd - sure | 11:46 |
| wickwire | how do I do it? | 11:46 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: both are "preinit ignored by pwr_on_by_RTC\npr_on_status=pwr_on_by_RTC" | 11:47 |
| Nicd- | thanks wickwire :) you can download it from here: https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/downloads | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: isn't RTC: real time clock? | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: the first message has x-no-time-stamp and the second has something in the middle of the night | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | wickwire: remember to choose 1.1.0-1 | 11:48 |
| wickwire | Nicd: sorry for the dumb question - how to install it from RPM on the device? | 11:48 |
| wickwire | I have downloaded it on my laptop 1.1.0-1 | 11:48 |
| Azog | is the telepathy in sailfish capable of jabber xep-0280/carbons? | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | wickwire: you can install it with the "File browser" app in the jolla store (browse to the rpm, pull down to install) or by using the terminal | 11:49 |
| wickwire | ok thank | 11:49 |
| wickwire | ok thans | 11:49 |
| wickwire | thanks | 11:49 |
| wickwire | damn .p | 11:49 |
| wickwire | eheheheh | 11:49 |
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| wickwire | Nicd: it installed ok and is running | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | /w 26 | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | fail | 11:57 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: (i should say that i didn't experience random shutdowns before) and i have no alarms... not sure how wake from RTC is possible and why it reboots the system from that? | 11:57 |
| AL13N_work | anything i can do to help debug? | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | wickwire: can you enable uptime record from the settings and see if it works? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: a shutdown + a wakeup from RTC = a reboot | 11:58 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ic, but a shutdown should be in the systemboot.log as well | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | not always | 11:59 |
| AL13N_work | also, i have no alarms in the clock app | 11:59 |
| AL13N_work | is there a low level place i can check? | 11:59 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: do you think it's related to sim losing connection issue that's on together? | 12:01 |
| wickwire | Nicd: I'm getting "Making new Record!" | 12:01 |
| wickwire | the cover is updating | 12:01 |
| Nicd- | wickwire: good | 12:02 |
| wickwire | by the way, I'm also waiting for an app to be approved | 12:02 |
| wickwire | https://bitbucket.org/wickwire/sailfishos-apps/downloads#download-307843 | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | wickwire: it seems sometimes it doesn't save the record properly so if you boot the phone it might reset the record | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | I'm trying to find that bug | 12:02 |
| wickwire | ops wait it got rejected :p | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | wickwire: what does it do? why is the repo empty? | 12:03 |
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| AL13N_work | ok, i tried removing sim live and putting it back, except entering pin and not even reboot, nothing in systemboot.log either, so it's not that | 12:04 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ok, i'm making a together post | 12:07 |
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| rcg | Nicd-, jfyi, just had a reboot again | 12:15 |
| rcg | :/ | 12:15 |
| Nicd- | me too | 12:15 |
| Nicd- | last night | 12:15 |
| rcg | :/ | 12:15 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: rcg: Nicd-: https://together.jolla.com/question/25628/nightly-reboot-by-rtc/ | 12:17 |
| AL13N_work | same thing as me? | 12:17 |
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| AL13N_work | rcg: Nicd-: i never had reboots before 1.0.3.8 and it only happens if power is not plugged in | 12:17 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: mine is not nightly | 12:20 |
| Nicd- | sometimes and it happens many times in sequence and then stops | 12:20 |
| Nicd- | and always when I use it | 12:20 |
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| vatte | mine just shut down while browsing internet | 12:23 |
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| vatte | rebooted* | 12:23 |
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| jesperC | hi, just testing the new irc client | 12:25 |
| Acce | jesperC: which one? | 12:26 |
| jesperC | communi | 12:26 |
| Morpog_PC | It's name is "IRC for SailfishOS" | 12:27 |
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| jesperC | ok slightly longer, but describing | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: vatte rcg: i'm more interested in the contents of systemboot.log | 12:29 |
| vgrade-sf | jesperC: same here. its looking good | 12:29 |
| vgrade-sf | jesperC: had to reconnect when going from wifi to 3g but id expect that | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | it actually seems like someone executed a "rtcwake command" on my jolla | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder if this is someone on the modem network that send reboot sequences or something | 12:31 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: Aard: tbr: lbt: https://together.jolla.com/question/25628/nightly-reboot-by-rtc/ <-- is there something i could do to help debug this? | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | I also had pwr_on_by_RTC | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | at first i wasn't sure about this, since those 2 nights, it was next to my pillow, but then it doesn't look like PWR button press | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: the last time? or at some time in the past? | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | some time in the past when I collected the log for jolla | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: at what time, and only since 1.0.3.8 ? | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | 1025 I think | 12:34 |
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| AL13N_work | (and did you have an alarm configured) | 12:34 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder if i should install and store syslog... if it would help | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | all my shutdowns have happened while I was using the phone | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | no alarms set | 12:35 |
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| lbt | AL13N_work: reply coming | 12:41 |
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| AL13N_work | thx, i'm willing to help debug this in some way | 12:41 |
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| stephg | uhoh | 12:55 |
| stephg | blank screen | 12:55 |
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| stephg | can some one tell me whether the developer mode button is middle, left or right in 1038 | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | usb? left | 12:56 |
| stephg | oh no it worke up | 12:56 |
| stephg | is middle here :) | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | umm | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | pc connection is middle | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | developer mode is left | 12:56 |
| stephg | on mine pc conn is left, dev mode is middle | 12:57 |
| stephg | I'm looking at it right now | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | :o | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | that is odd | 12:58 |
| stephg | anyway contactsd msyncd alien_bridge and lipstick have all run away | 12:59 |
| stephg | reboot time I feel | 12:59 |
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| * jubo2 needs work | 13:10 | |
| Nicd- | we all know | 13:10 |
| jubo2 | Sailfish also needs work. That's why I'm going to send an open application to DNA | 13:10 |
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| jubo2 | Nicd-: Do you know how annoying the closeness of swipe-from-above-screen and swipe from within-the-screen are.. The OS mistakes the users intentions like totally sometimes | 13:11 |
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| jubo2 | "Look Mom! No buttons!!" ~ jubo-jubo on Jolla devels | 13:12 |
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| Nicd- | quoting yourself is so stupid | 13:12 |
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| tachikoma | i got used to handle that right | 13:13 |
| tachikoma | phone does what i intend it to do depending on how i swipe | 13:13 |
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| tachikoma | i'm pretty happy with it now | 13:13 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: swipe from above or swipe motion to bring the glow menu.. these lead to almost diametrically opposed results as per user intention and the OSe'es ability to read it | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | I don't really have problems with that | 13:14 |
| tachikoma | same here | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | given that the screen bezel is so big on the top and bottom | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | so I just start the top-down swipe from far enough | 13:14 |
| tachikoma | but i had my problems the first week or so | 13:14 |
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| jubo2 | on my set the swipe from below screen doesn't perform showing the notifications | 13:17 |
| jubo2 | or performs only part of the time | 13:17 |
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| jubo2 | "The world exists. Time also exists." ~ jubo-jubo on philosophical question answers | 13:17 |
| jubo2 | time is not a sham | 13:18 |
| tachikoma | i don;t have to undesrstand that, do i? | 13:18 |
| jubo2 | tachikoma: no you don't need to understand it | 13:18 |
| Sail0r | which services on jolla is for sms ? | 13:19 |
| Sail0r | I don't get any sms at the moment | 13:19 |
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| jubo2 | The time dial is sorta nice | 13:25 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, I'm trying to fix some path issues on my app, | 13:26 |
| wickwire | ls -l $XDG_DATA_HOME/$NAME | 13:26 |
| wickwire | ls: cannot access /SailfishOS: No such file or directory | 13:26 |
| wickwire | I was advised to use this path to store files | 13:26 |
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| wickwire | but I'm not being able to do so - any hints? | 13:26 |
| wickwire | touch, mkdir, not working - I'm using the nemo user over ssh to the jolla mobile, to test | 13:27 |
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| msv | there is competition in finland, where you can win jolla by sending picture taken with mobile phone via MMS | 13:39 |
| msv | irony or what | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ouch :) | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | what competition? | 13:40 |
| msv | http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/galleriat/laheta-kuva-kaveristasi-ja-voita-jollapuhelin/8357/ | 13:40 |
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| sharpneli | msv: Well it's probably the best way to limit the winners to those that do not already have Jolla ;D | 13:41 |
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| msv | :) | 13:42 |
| wave | is that limited to Oulu region only? | 13:45 |
| slate | oh hell :D irony | 13:47 |
| jubo2 | till laters | 13:48 |
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| slate | sent email to the organizer | 13:50 |
| slate | "I'd like to join the ocntest but my jolla does not support mms" | 13:51 |
| wave | haha | 13:51 |
| slate | and attached the pic. | 13:51 |
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| AntiHawk_ | Hello, again my Jolla suddently started crashing, 10 mins without battery is still the best fix? | 14:50 |
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| Plnt | i don't want to have ssh running and listening on port 22 when i'm in developer mode. is it ok if i do "systemctl mask sshd.socket" or i'm risking some problems with that? | 15:04 |
| Acce | Plnt: you can disable ssh from settings app.. I think? | 15:05 |
| Acce | or does it leave the sshd still running | 15:05 |
| Plnt | Acce: yes but that doesn't disable the running service, just login | 15:05 |
| Acce | ah | 15:05 |
| Acce | systemctl disable sshd.service | 15:05 |
| Acce | I think | 15:05 |
| Plnt | i know it's maybe a bit paranoid but i don't like that to have open to public when i'm on some wifi hotspot | 15:05 |
| Plnt | https://together.jolla.com/question/2650/disable-ssh-daemon-when-remote-connections-are-disabled/ | 15:06 |
| Plnt | i described it here | 15:06 |
| Plnt | ah so maybe disable would be better i guess | 15:06 |
| Plnt | i'm just wondering if there could be some impact on the system | 15:07 |
| Plnt | is this actually what is done when i disable developer mode? | 15:07 |
| Acce | I'm not sure how mask and disable differ, but disable should remove the service from stuff started on boot | 15:08 |
| Plnt | i think mask also removes the ability to start the service manually | 15:09 |
| Acce | Plnt: sorry, no idea what it does when dev mode is disabled :/ | 15:09 |
| Acce | Plnt: yes, it seems so, that's why I wonder what is different with mask and disable | 15:09 |
| Plnt | Acce: yep, no problem. i was just asking in the hope that some of the jolla developers will see the question :) | 15:09 |
| Acce | maybe mask is used on .sockets and disable on .services? | 15:09 |
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| tachikoma | Plnt: yes, mask just links the service to /dev/null | 15:15 |
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| tachikoma | so whatever triggers it through dependency does just start nothing | 15:16 |
| Plnt | tachikoma: thx | 15:16 |
| tachikoma | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/three-levels-of-off | 15:16 |
| Plnt | seems like if i disable developer mode all ssh-related stuff is removed from /lib/systemd/system | 15:17 |
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| tachikoma | i just love systemd for all the fun it brings | 15:17 |
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| tachikoma | it's like libvirt - an awesome tool using conventions from another planet ;) | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | i added a little comment in the non-answer of the ssh question | 15:18 |
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| Plnt | ggabriel: thanks | 15:19 |
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| genjix | hey tachikoma | 15:22 |
| genjix | is that animazing or are you different? | 15:22 |
| genjix | (friend of mine uses both nicks) | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | nickserv is your friend? | 15:23 |
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| tachikoma | ggabriel: i guess i'm a different one | 15:23 |
| tachikoma | that was meant for genjix | 15:25 |
| stephg | ugh searching tjc is so irritating:( | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | searching in general is irritating | 15:26 |
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| FireFly | Good thing this company Google is pretty good at it | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | i disagree | 15:41 |
| genjix | how can i delete servers from the IRC app? | 15:41 |
| genjix | the option seems to be missing | 15:41 |
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| clau2 | communi? | 15:41 |
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| clau2 | long press on server name and you should get a menu | 15:42 |
| genjix | thanks clau2 | 15:43 |
| clau2 | just keep on long pressing stuff, you'll discover a whole new universe :) | 15:44 |
| genjix | great | 15:44 |
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| mkpaa | any news of bluetooth support for Android apps? | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | mkpaa: https://together.jolla.com/question/4938/android-bluetooth-support/ | 15:53 |
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| genjix | how can i ssh into jolla? i have the options and everything, but my computer is connected to internet through ethernet | 16:01 |
| Sail0r | interesting store is not working in my wlan at home | 16:01 |
| genjix | i see the device in debian as "Jolla Sailfish" but it fails to connect | 16:01 |
| genjix | i also try the wlan one: ssh root@192.168.1.135 | 16:01 |
| genjix | but my password is rejected | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | genjix: ssh nemo@ | 16:01 |
| pp | nemo | 16:01 |
| genjix | ahhh | 16:01 |
| PeperJohnny | genjix: it's nemo ;) | 16:01 |
| leinir | it's nemo | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | come on, evreybody! | 16:02 |
| leinir | (felt left out ;) ) | 16:02 |
| genjix | wow works! | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | finding nemo | 16:02 |
| genjix | thanks | 16:02 |
| pp | usb (if you have devel mode on), should show up as rndis0 or whatnot | 16:02 |
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| genjix | really loving jolla, i keep pumping it to everybody | 16:03 |
| genjix | is there a way to enable the flashlight? | 16:04 |
| Sail0r | everything else is working except the shop | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | genjix: download the flashlight application | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: can you tcpdump and see what's going on? | 16:05 |
| mkpaa | ggabriel, well that didn't answer my question about when it might start working. :) | 16:05 |
| Sail0r | there is no request from jolla for shop | 16:05 |
| genjix | thanks ggabriel | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | mkpaa: well, i don't work for jolla, and the ones who do aren't here as employees, so... | 16:05 |
| Sail0r | maybe it has something todo with this? store-client[6769]: [D] Store::RequestProxy::slotReplyFinished:88 - void Store::RequestProxy::slotReplyFinished() "The specified configuration cannot be used." | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | voting that question will make it go quicker, that's for sure | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: tried to reboot? | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | after reboot it works | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | but it's everyday the same problem | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | i come home | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | that's a debug message btw | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | connect to wlan | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | not working | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | reboot | 16:06 |
| Sail0r | works | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | maybe it's related to the ongoing wlan issues | 16:06 |
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| mkpaa | ggabriel, still someone might be paying more attention to the matter than I am. Thats why I asked here. | 16:06 |
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| ggabriel | mkpaa: fair enough, you can see in tjc that there isn't too much interest... | 16:07 |
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| Sail0r | Store::RequestProxy::slotRetry:121 - void Store::RequestProxy::slotRetry() retry number 2 for QUrl( "https://store-api.jolla.com/api/v001/feed/?device=sbj&domain=sa....8&limit=30" ) | 16:07 |
| genjix | what are the good irc channels for people developing apps for jolla? #nemomobile? | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | genjix: #sailfishos me thinks | 16:07 |
| Yaniel | sailfishos | 16:07 |
| genjix | ok | 16:08 |
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| TMavica | there is some package update , libherepositioning and here-daemons | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | cool, i have something to play with when i meet with my jolla again | 16:10 |
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| Sail0r | hm reboot of the wlan ap didn't solve the ossue | 16:15 |
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| * netzvieh never had any wlan issues | 16:42 | |
| netzvieh | using the jolla wlan only though | 16:42 |
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| clau | hmm, incoming updates? | 16:58 |
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| Quu | where? | 16:58 |
| Quu | wut | 16:58 |
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| clau | Warehouse is reporting whatever pkcon get-update says, and I just got two jolla packages in there | 16:59 |
| Quu | oh yeah | 16:59 |
| Quu | shitton of packages | 16:59 |
| clau | here-daemons-* and libherepositioning-* | 16:59 |
| Quu | yeah, update for here maps | 17:00 |
| Acce | ooh | 17:00 |
| clau | hopefully there will be some hotfixes for the important issues we've seen after the latest update | 17:00 |
| Quu | atleast it found GPS location faster | 17:00 |
| clau | have you already updated them? :D | 17:00 |
| Quu | yeah | 17:00 |
| Quu | version --dup | 17:01 |
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| Acce | no store update, just those packages? | 17:01 |
| clau | so far, no store update, no notification. | 17:01 |
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| clau | though, it was the same for 1.0.3.8: I got a load of packages when running pkcon get-updates, but the notif came only much later | 17:02 |
| Quu | feature-xt9. here-daemons. libherepositioning. libofonooemraw | 17:02 |
| clau | keep it mind though, it's safer to wait for the notification and update through Store | 17:02 |
| clau | Quu, so more are coming. | 17:02 |
| Quu | maybe | 17:02 |
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| clau | if this proves to be an official update, then Jolla seems to prefer Fridays. | 17:03 |
| Quu | friday is almost logical day | 17:04 |
| clau | for people who don't have weekends :) | 17:04 |
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| clau | Quu, I still see only those two packages. | 17:05 |
| Quu | i got those + harbour-dice | 17:05 |
| clau | I could bet this is an incoming update. | 17:06 |
| Quu | who knows | 17:07 |
| Quu | usually they release everything at once, not 4 packages :p | 17:07 |
| clau | give them time | 17:07 |
| Quu | but mom | 17:07 |
| clau | I only got two, you got 4. so maybe the servers are taking it slowly :) | 17:07 |
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| jubo2 | Industrialization of Commiemist Wussia | 17:56 |
| suy | Android freeriding FTW. Typing this on quasseldroid. :) | 17:57 |
| suy | Now to the hunt of reasonable apps in apks. | 17:58 |
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| tango_ | freeriding? | 18:03 |
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| suy | Oh, I might got that word wrong... I meant "taking advantage of it for free". | 18:04 |
| kehnoo | use communi instead of that :p | 18:05 |
| suy | I heard it from someone else, might come from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_riding | 18:06 |
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| suy | kehnoo: then how I check the past backlog? :( | 18:06 |
| kehnoo | oh, I have irssiproxy and use terminal if I need to do that :p | 18:06 |
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| netzvieh | suy: I was too lazy yet to start the development of a native quassel client | 19:12 |
| netzvieh | but its on the list for this weekend | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | There was IIRC a QML client at one point | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | https://gitorious.org/quassel/quassel2go/source/7b49612c040fb064fbfff3d0095230d086bc53c0: | 19:13 |
| netzvieh | SpeedEvil: yeah but the interface is not really jolla like ;) | 19:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | True | 19:14 |
| eyea | Jolla )olla joh | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I question how much it is sane to make the interfacejolla-like. | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes, the right solution is to say 'screw it, the interface can't sanely be compatible'. | 19:15 |
| netzvieh | SpeedEvil: well if you look to quasseldroid i can see that interface jollafied | 19:16 |
| Acce | I think it's something we should try to achieve, but it should not restrict us if we come up with something more intuitive | 19:16 |
| Acce | for example, the sideways pulleys in communi IRC client are brilliant | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | it is a guideline toward which things should be designed if it makes sense | 19:17 |
| netzvieh | and well, since the base client libraries are there, it shouldn't be that hard to write different gui stuff | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | And sometimes - the right solution is just to have a channel list, and a chat window atthesame time | 19:17 |
| netzvieh | at least you don't have to rebuild that in java | 19:17 |
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| netzvieh | SpeedEvil: well on full hd maybe, but on qhd or even 720 i think its better to have it separated | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/pidgin.gif - is another alternative | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (channel tabs down the right - with abbreviated names) | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | roughly equivalent to what communi does | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | IMHO | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | except the topic is always visible | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Channel activity lights is nice | 19:20 |
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| Yaniel | there is the highlight | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | albeit it does not show where the activity is | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | I wonder if it would be feasible or even possible to have the entire left side as a highlight | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | and highlight the parts that correspond to the locations in the list | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | maybe with the led graphic | 19:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | On the example above - the channel tab turns yellow i there is a highlight | 19:22 |
| Yaniel | by highlight I mean the pulley menu indicator | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:23 |
| * pahartik would like to see IRC channel message content and input field on main view, sideswipe right for network/channel/queue list tree, sideswipe left for user list | 19:25 | |
| Yaniel | pahartik: communi has just that | 19:26 |
| SpeedEvil | That really needs at the very least some other mechanism for next/prev channel | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | done with pulley menus | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | dunno | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | the list is almost as fast | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise what happens is that you need to swipe-out, find where the next channel is - click it - swipe back | 19:27 |
| pahartik | Yaniel: Oh, have not seen that yet... Just imagined what would be appropriate for interface | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | this gets really annoying for say 10 channels you want to scan. | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | and and the next channel is not necessarily the one you want | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | That too | 19:27 |
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| Yaniel | SpeedEvil: I should know, I have around 20-30 | 19:28 |
| pahartik | Yaniel: While thinking of "quassel-client" | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | pahartik: if quassel had a library for integration it would already be supported in communi | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | same with weechat | 19:28 |
| Yaniel | unfortunately neither of them does | 19:28 |
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| Jope | 20:25 | |
| clau | so, no update then? :( | 20:25 |
| Quu | nope | 20:26 |
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| cloanta | Jolla and the Sailfish operating system are updated on a monthly basis, based heavily on our community's input. Stay tuned for further improvements, next one is coming end of February! | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | http://t.co/iaq8M14bT0 - 1h49m | 20:37 |
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| attah | Stskeeps: respect! | 20:41 |
| Acce | Stskeeps: :D | 20:42 |
| Acce | Jolla's floating | 20:42 |
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| kehnoo | oh I had known about that I could've gone to see that :( | 20:43 |
| Acce | my friends always keep asking me "Kuis Jolla kelluu?" | 20:43 |
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| cloanta | Stskeeps: Hello. I have one question | 20:52 |
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| cloanta | Stskeeps:It s normal after made a factory reset i have 3.3Gb memory used ? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | cloanta: i'm not 100% sure | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, the concept of free space is kinda complicated on BTRFS | 20:54 |
| cloanta | i made 2 factory reset today and the same probleme | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, used space amount should be rather traditional I guess | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | unless it is counting snapshots or something | 20:55 |
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| cloanta | when he coming was 1.7 gb memory used | 20:56 |
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| tbr | if you're adventurous, you can check out the btrfs snapshorts | 20:57 |
| tbr | snapshots | 20:57 |
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| tbr | but one wrong move will kill your device and there is no warranty | 20:58 |
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| Quu | no risk, no reward | 21:07 |
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| tbr | sure, and worst case is sending it to jolla for a reflash | 21:13 |
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| AL13N | and pay lotsa moneys | 21:20 |
| AL13N | tbr: you should advertise that... and get rich reflashing the broken devices | 21:21 |
| AL13N | :-) | 21:21 |
| cloanta | i'm not expert, if somebody can help me;-) | 21:21 |
| tbr | AL13N: that would just make my remaining hair fall out, because people would be complaining | 21:21 |
| AL13N | like 250 + shipping... it's still cheaper than a new phone :-) | 21:21 |
| Quu | people always complain | 21:21 |
| AL13N | Quu++ | 21:22 |
| tbr | Quu: yes, that's why I try to avoid 'people' | 21:22 |
| cloanta | what sailfish version i need | 21:22 |
| AL13N | 1.0.3.8 is the latest one afaik | 21:22 |
| tbr | Quu: I made the mistake of not doing that and see what happened on the sailfish-dev mailing list? | 21:22 |
| cloanta | im 1.0.0.5 for the moment | 21:22 |
| AL13N | i didn't see, there was too much traffic | 21:22 |
| AL13N | cloanta: the advise it to update to latest before installing or updating apps | 21:23 |
| AL13N | *advice | 21:23 |
| cloanta | yes. i know | 21:23 |
| AL13N | it might go to 1.0.2.5 first before going to 1.0.3.8 | 21:23 |
| cloanta | but i already made factory reset | 21:23 |
| AL13N | cloanta: maybe the used space is the backups you stored in the vault | 21:23 |
| cloanta | i neber made backups | 21:24 |
| cloanta | never | 21:24 |
| AL13N | doesn't upgrade to that? and, afaik, a factory reset does possibly do something like this | 21:24 |
| AL13N | i've seen btrfs snapshots for factory resets with ids | 21:24 |
| cloanta | i explain | 21:24 |
| AL13N | on someone's phone | 21:24 |
| AL13N | cloanta: in short, i wouldn't worry about it too much, and you'll need to update to latest before turning on devmode anyway | 21:25 |
| AL13N | which you need to check the snapshots | 21:25 |
| cloanta | how i can do that | 21:25 |
| Quu | hue | 21:25 |
| Quu | AL13N: glhf. | 21:25 |
| AL13N | Quu: is that "Good Luck High Five" ? | 21:26 |
| Quu | almost | 21:26 |
| Quu | have fun | 21:26 |
| AL13N | there is one thing though | 21:27 |
| AL13N | "cloanta: i neber made backups" <-- you sound like you're proudly saying this | 21:27 |
| cloanta | nope | 21:27 |
| AL13N | i know, it just sounds funny | 21:27 |
| AL13N | afaik, go to settings, device info and use pulley menu to check for updates | 21:28 |
| cloanta | i explain my problem | 21:28 |
| AL13N | might take a few tries to get it | 21:28 |
| AL13N | btw: anyone have a static vlc build yet? | 21:28 |
| AL13N | maybe i should just make a build chroot in a btrfs subvolume | 21:29 |
| AL13N | and build it from there | 21:29 |
| cloanta | i have shoutdown every day | 21:29 |
| AL13N | during the night? | 21:29 |
| cloanta | and i want just make a reset factory | 21:30 |
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| cloanta | and the memory used after its tha same like before reset | 21:30 |
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| AL13N | right | 21:30 |
| AL13N | so, what is the problem? | 21:31 |
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| cloanta | the memory used after reset its 3.3 Gb | 21:31 |
| AL13N | right, but, what is your problem? | 21:32 |
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| cloanta | when the phone coming was 1.7 GB memory used | 21:33 |
| cloanta | like in picture here http://s655.photobucket.com/user/dicey2/media/Jolla/14010007_zps88db6368.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2 (its not my phone) | 21:36 |
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| cloanta | so it's 1.5Gb more like when he coming new | 21:37 |
| AL13N | but is that a problem that it takes more space? | 21:38 |
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| Quu | well | 21:38 |
| Quu | the phone has 16gb | 21:38 |
| Quu | and that pic shows 13.7 | 21:38 |
| AL13N | it's still alot left | 21:39 |
| AL13N | ah well | 21:39 |
| AL13N | if you want to get rid of that extra space | 21:39 |
| Quu | wipe the flash and have a nice brick | 21:39 |
| AL13N | i'm guessing there's a btrfs snapshot in there, that's made during the factory reset | 21:39 |
| vesurivs | related? https://together.jolla.com/question/21900/update-1038-600mb-more-emmc-used/ | 21:39 |
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| AL13N | so, all you need to do, is update to 1.0.3.8, then install devmode and then get rid of it, but don't remove the wrong one, because otherwise you'll brick your phone | 21:40 |
| Quu | AL13N: i have good idea. dont bother, he will blame you when he fucks everythin up. | 21:41 |
| cloanta | which one i have to remove? | 21:41 |
| cloanta | i don't blame him | 21:41 |
| cloanta | dont worry(A) | 21:42 |
| AL13N | well, you need a list first | 21:43 |
| Sidde | https://together.jolla.com/question/14633/bug-factory-reset-no-storage-left/ | 21:43 |
| AL13N | and you probably will have a @, @home factory@home and factory@ | 21:43 |
| AL13N | those you definately need | 21:43 |
| AL13N | if there's one with a specific date and time, that's probably the one you don't need anymore | 21:43 |
| AL13N | Sidde: 'delete all snapshots called "rec*"' | 21:44 |
| AL13N | thanks | 21:44 |
| Sidde | can't someone at jolla just write a script for this. Several people has been asking this questions in this channel... | 21:45 |
| AL13N | and, i should tell you that space is freed up in the background, so you need to wait a bit for it to actually go back | 21:45 |
| AL13N | Sidde: well, it's really a few lines, hardly a script is necessary for just one command | 21:45 |
| AL13N | imho | 21:45 |
| Sidde | maybe a good instruction then? | 21:45 |
| vesurivs | there should be an easy way (gui) to remove leftovers | 21:45 |
| AL13N | it'd be probably easier to just put this in the interface | 21:45 |
| Sidde | we all might have to do it sooner or later... | 21:45 |
| Acce | a script would be good since it's triple checked for typing mistakes | 21:46 |
| Acce | and the number of mistakes would reduce | 21:46 |
| AL13N | from the way they've made this, it's probably one of the things that need to be done, but lower priority | 21:46 |
| AL13N | Acce: a script is actually dangerous | 21:46 |
| Acce | But my guess is that, in future updates Jolla will do something about it | 21:46 |
| Acce | AL13N: why? | 21:46 |
| Sidde | AL13N: i don't trust interfaces ;) | 21:46 |
| Sidde | i prefer a script that i can look at myself | 21:46 |
| Quu | CLI all the way | 21:47 |
| AL13N | my guess is that in the future, jolla might/probably will just list those rec-* snapshots in some interface for you to remove them | 21:47 |
| Acce | probably yes | 21:47 |
| AL13N | Sidde: man btrfs | 21:47 |
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| Acce | but currently, how is running a script different from pressing a button in some interface? | 21:47 |
| vesurivs | it would be a bad idea not to | 21:47 |
| Quu | Acce: you can easily read the scripts and edit them | 21:47 |
| AL13N | people forget that the phone has 2 types of users | 21:47 |
| Sidde | AL13N: the manual does not tell you the sailfish setup | 21:48 |
| AL13N | the ones who don't need devmode and the ones that want to have devmode | 21:48 |
| Acce | Quu: well that is obvious, but everyone does that at their risk | 21:48 |
| AL13N | imho, all the ui stuff is for the first group | 21:48 |
| AL13N | which means that if you want to fiddle you should read the man pages | 21:48 |
| AL13N | cause i'd prefer jolla devs to work on something really usefull instead | 21:48 |
| Acce | true, I almost always forget that some people don't use access to the cli | 21:48 |
| AL13N | i could easily write such a script, but then i'll be blamed | 21:49 |
| AL13N | when people execute it, immediately after factory reset or during a bad time | 21:49 |
| AL13N | or remove the wrong snapshot | 21:49 |
| Acce | yep, whatever it is, if it can brick the device it should come from Jolla | 21:49 |
| AL13N | etc... | 21:49 |
| AL13N | if you really need to, learn it, so you can decide for yourself | 21:50 |
| AL13N | or wait for a ui | 21:50 |
| Acce | so that the warranty will not become void | 21:50 |
| AL13N | Acce: i don't really agree, jolla is an open community, which is great for tinkering | 21:50 |
| AL13N | but jolla is not really made for the people in the middle | 21:50 |
| Acce | AL13N: and I do not mean that | 21:50 |
| AL13N | Acce: my mistake | 21:51 |
| Acce | I mean, the stuff the people not using the dev mode use, which can brick the device, should come from Jolla | 21:51 |
| Acce | because Jolla cannot give warranty on the stuff the community makes | 21:52 |
| AL13N | the way i see it, is that the middle group is the dangerous one... because the users won't turn on devmode and they'll be fine... and the devs and tinkerers know what they are doing and risk sending the device back for reflash and pay monies | 21:52 |
| ballock | is there a bug on tjc or anywhere about inconsistent app backgrounding/closing in landscape? | 21:52 |
| AL13N | the middle group knows a bit, but not always enough to be safe | 21:52 |
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| AL13N | ballock: i haven't seen one | 21:52 |
| AL13N | ballock: and if you can't find it, then you can make it | 21:52 |
| ballock | fingerterm closes from long edge when landscape, but when you open a new window, it's from short edge even while still in landscape | 21:53 |
| Acce | well, we should advice the middle group to try in the emulator / other linux virtual machine first | 21:54 |
| ballock | I never know which apps go with the 1.0.3.8 landscape closing and whichstayed like on 1.0.2.5 | 21:55 |
| Acce | although it is also true that making a costly mistake often teaches you more.. | 21:55 |
| AL13N | Acce: not a bad idea | 21:55 |
| AL13N | ballock: well, it's app dependant | 21:55 |
| AL13N | ballock: possibly more apps will be using it later on | 21:55 |
| Acce | currently the emulator is not complete reflection of the real device (I wonder if the snapshots exist in it?), but it should be quite good for testing dangerous stuff | 21:56 |
| AL13N | ballock: but it sounds like a minor bug, though i'd report it on together, definately | 21:56 |
| AL13N | Acce: i was thinking the same thing | 21:56 |
| AL13N | Acce: i have no experience with it, i do all my stuff on the actual phone | 21:56 |
| Quu | ballock: fingerterm landscape is forced by the fingerterm | 21:56 |
| AL13N | though i need to set up a build chroot | 21:56 |
| Quu | ballock: so its kinda not even bug | 21:56 |
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| AL13N | Quu: well, if behavior is different with the original window and one you start from landscape, it might be | 21:57 |
| AL13N | (with the app, that is) | 21:57 |
| ballock | tjc is still the official bugtracker? | 21:58 |
| Acce | ballock: yes | 21:58 |
| AL13N | tag it with bug, | 21:58 |
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| Trizt | has people had more issues with the notifications? I seem to not get any nowadays | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | I got a call without audio today | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | actually two calls | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | but I'm not sure if the phone being on mute had any effect | 22:05 |
| Acce | I had weird bugs when trying to use the phone while taking a call | 22:05 |
| Acce | after swiping the call screen away | 22:06 |
| Acce | the phone tried to return to it and I couldn't access calendar.. in the end it started working though | 22:06 |
| Trizt | mute shouldn't affect incoming audio, unless someone accidentally swapped the if-statement ;) | 22:06 |
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| AL13N | maybe the ringtone volume was muted? or maybe disable all sound really is disable all sound :-) | 22:14 |
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| cloanta | i think i found the probleme http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/cloanta1/media/factory_zps60c6db1f.png.html | 22:26 |
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| cloanta | AL13N: what do you think? | 22:28 |
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| cloanta | AL13N: Thanks a lot. he works http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/cloanta1/media/20140208000200_zpsd0eeb9ea.jpg.html | 23:08 |
| AL13N | cloanta: don't tell me you deleted the folder? | 23:09 |
| cloanta | yes | 23:10 |
| AL13N | i'm not sure if that would remove the data | 23:10 |
| AL13N | you should really remove the snapshot itself | 23:10 |
| AL13N | maybe it did internally | 23:10 |
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| cloanta | i do like here https://together.jolla.com/question/14633/bug-factory-reset-no-storage-left/ | 23:11 |
| cloanta | until now nothing bad hapened:-d | 23:15 |
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| Slimex | o/ | 23:19 |
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| Slimex | this sailfish irc is solid quality so far | 23:21 |
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| Slimex | i wish MitäKuuluu would be as solid | 23:23 |
| Slimex | it got me into a bootloop today | 23:23 |
| Iltsu | wow | 23:25 |
| Iltsu | how | 23:25 |
| Slimex | autoshutdowns | 23:25 |
| Yaniel | which one? | 23:25 |
| Yaniel | (which irc cclient) | 23:25 |
| Slimex | 0.1-28 | 23:25 |
| Yaniel | communi? | 23:26 |
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| eye_a | jolla )0lla | 23:29 |
| cloanta | i have every day shoutdowns but not because of Mitakuuluu. See here https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ | 23:29 |
| Sail0r | where did you get the irc client Slimex? | 23:30 |
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| clau | mitakuuluu is very unstable starting with version 0.1-27 | 23:30 |
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| Slimex | umm... the irc client is from github, google it | 23:31 |
| clau | hopefully coderus will fix it soon | 23:31 |
| Sail0r | this one https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish @ Slimex | 23:31 |
| Slimex | clau yes but this 28 just did everything wrong | 23:32 |
| Slimex | Sail0r: yes | 23:32 |
| Sail0r | ok ;) | 23:32 |
| Sail0r | thx | 23:33 |
| Slimex | Sail0r: actually no | 23:33 |
| Sail0r | ? | 23:33 |
| Slimex | i got from TMO | 23:33 |
| Sail0r | but the same client? | 23:33 |
| Slimex | I guess... | 23:34 |
| clau | Slimex, 0.1-28 is not on github yet :\ | 23:34 |
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| Slimex | clau, it was on warehousr | 23:34 |
| Sail0r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92631 | 23:34 |
| Sail0r | this thread ? | 23:34 |
| Slimex | yes | 23:35 |
| clau | it is on warehouse, but the author has the habbit of first releasing bins, then source code | 23:35 |
| cloanta | Go to sleep. I wish you good night to all and thanks for the help in particular to AL13N;-) | 23:35 |
| Sail0r | ok it's the same ;) | 23:35 |
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| clau | regarding mitakuuluu problem: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/153 | 23:36 |
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| M4rtinK | I do basically the opposite - source code if my projects is available long before they can be installed from mainstream sources :) | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | even though you get a few patches like this | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | usually nobody gives a damn, so I don't see a point in those big honking code drops :) | 23:41 |
| Slimex | clau2, I know he lives in somewhere siberia(?)... and that's why he doesn't have the real machine | 23:41 |
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| Slimex | coding something out of old sources (yappari) to sailfish might be rather easy on a sdk, but to make it work on real device... | 23:43 |
| Slimex | somebody should send coderus a jolla, ffs! | 23:44 |
| Slimex | =) | 23:44 |
| mikma | slimex: well to me mitäkuuluu 0.1-28 doesn't seem to work that well at all. doesn't connect after losing connection and i can't quit it, i need to kill the processes | 23:44 |
| Iltsu | hmm, I think Mitakuuluu is rather good considering that he doesn't have Jolla | 23:44 |
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| clau2 | that's understandable. in anu case, he's doing a good job. except for this problem, I've been using mitakuuluu without any problems. | 23:45 |
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| mikma | and lately i've been having lots of the problems reported at together.jolla.com, like black screen after waking the phone up, connection problem loop... | 23:45 |
| mikma | i'm thinking about factory reset and upgrading only to 1.0.2.5 and stopping the tohd.service. was alot stable with that combo | 23:46 |
| clau2 | I hope we'll see a hotfix soon. | 23:46 |
| clau2 | btw, for those who missed it: there are two updates available for jolla packages. Here related. | 23:47 |
| Yaniel | hm? | 23:48 |
| clau2 | I haven't updated, and hopefully this is part of an incoming larger update. | 23:48 |
| Slimex | mikma: don't fall back to 1.0.2.5, bad recovery system | 23:49 |
| clau2 | pkcon refresh and then pkcon get-updates | 23:49 |
| mikma | slimex: well it's the only way to make the phone more usable and stable atm. the recovery is not needed if everything goes smoothly :) | 23:49 |
| Slimex | mikma: just don't get bootloop... | 23:50 |
| mikma | slimex: how could i get a bootloop if i only use my phone to ssh + heebo + calling other people? :D | 23:50 |
| Slimex | anything is possible... | 23:51 |
| Slimex | my last recollection was opening the native browser... | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | oh, there are many things that can happen that might make your device unable to boot, don't worry :) | 23:52 |
| mikma | m4rtink: only with jolla | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | well, some data corruption in the wrong place -> BAM, a brick :) | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | some race condition making a root level program sometimes overwrite or delete something important... | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | a logfile or cache that can grow without an upper bound, consuming all free space and preventing some critical service on startup to boot... | 23:55 |
| clau2 | ha, there's an update for mitakuuluu | 23:55 |
| clau2 | 0.1-29 | 23:55 |
| Slimex | oj | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | just saying, you never know what might happen, considering how complicated modern computers are :) | 23:56 |
| Slimex | just when i got 28 working... | 23:56 |
| Slimex | ...not | 23:57 |
| clau2 | :) | 23:57 |
| Slimex | crashed | 23:57 |
| vesurivs | mitäkuuluu changelog: "added something minor" | 23:58 |
| Slimex | fuck... bootlooping time ensues... | 23:58 |
| Slimex | :/ | 23:58 |
| clau2 | vesurivs: I think that is the 'portrait lock' | 23:58 |
| Slimex | damn coderus, somebody @jolla should send him a device, quick! | 23:59 |
| Slimex | ffs | 23:59 |
| clau2 | is there a known cause for all the reboots and shutdowns? | 23:59 |
| mikma | they would love to do that right after coderus sends them 399e :D | 23:59 |
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