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| Yaniel | huh, why does it say armv7l THREE times in uname -a on the device? | 04:52 |
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| Yaniel | my pc only says x86_64 once :D | 04:52 |
| special | machine, processor, hardware-platform | 04:52 |
| special | uname -mpi | 04:53 |
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| nathrakh | is there a way to quickly open many apps? | 08:22 |
| nathrakh | without entering them and then swiping them away etc. | 08:22 |
| Nicd- | a script? | 08:23 |
| nathrakh | long touch currently opens the move/delete apps view, I think it would be better if it would open an app to the background instead if you click one | 08:24 |
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| jussi | nathrakh: what is your usecase for this ? | 08:27 |
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| nathrakh | I find myself tinkering without different apps etc so it's annoying to open many of them in succession | 08:27 |
| nathrakh | with* | 08:27 |
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| jussi | nathrakh: I dont work for jolla, but... can you see a use case for other people? changes arent goign to get made without real usecases being there... | 08:29 |
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| nathrakh | I understand but there should always be choices and options | 08:30 |
| jussi | Im guessing it would be relatively simple to write an "app" that allows you to click the app, then click the apps that you want to open in the background | 08:30 |
| nathrakh | maybe we'll just have to wait for the UI to open | 08:30 |
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| Eztran | Something like Quick Launcher could probably be set up to do that... unless new apps always open above existing, anyway. | 08:34 |
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| melonipoika_ | hi there | 08:46 |
| melonipoika_ | my jolla entered yesterday in a boot loop :-( | 08:47 |
| melonipoika_ | i tried restoring factory settings, but the problem continues | 08:47 |
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| Pnuu | melonipoika_: try if taking out the battery for 10 minutes helps | 08:48 |
| melonipoika_ | thans Pnuu will try that | 08:49 |
| vanadis | did anyone already mess around with usb host mode? | 08:49 |
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| Venemo | hey | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 10:30 |
| tobiski | meow | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey ! | 10:31 |
| salami` | hello | 10:32 |
| Venemo | IRC for Sailfish submitted to harbour | 10:32 |
| Venemo | cross your fingers :) | 10:32 |
| stephg | woo | 10:33 |
| kehnoo | I just set up irssiproxy just to use it, it's great :) | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | good stuff Venemo | 10:33 |
| Guest314 | Venemo: nice job, guys. I'm using it right now. | 10:34 |
| ln- | Bug report: The TOH Developer Kit specification uses two different spellings for a word: ambience and ambiance. Apparently both are acceptable spellings, but perhaps it is not ideal to mix both of them in the same document, or even the same sentence, if no difference in meaning is intended. | 10:35 |
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| Venemo | thanks ggabriel & Guest314 :) | 10:36 |
| Venemo | ln- +1 | 10:37 |
| Venemo | hm | 10:38 |
| Venemo | can I submit ambiences to the Jolla store? | 10:38 |
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| stephg | Venemo, there's a tjc thread about that | 10:44 |
| Venemo | stephg: link please | 10:44 |
| stephg | yeah just looking | 10:44 |
| stephg | this is one: https://together.jolla.com/question/14852/jolla-store-extension-section-for-ambiences/ | 10:45 |
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| stephg | sharing ambiences would be very cool | 10:46 |
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| veksu | http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit is that answer? | 10:47 |
| kehnoo | is there any way to fix the color temperature on jPhone towards more warm? | 10:48 |
| Venemo | what is a jPhone? | 10:48 |
| kehnoo | Jolla ;) | 10:49 |
| Venemo | why don't you say Jolla then? | 10:49 |
| kehnoo | eh, why not? | 10:49 |
| Raim | it's not the product name and way too similar to a competitor. Jolla is unlike anything else! | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | JP-1301. | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:51 |
| kehnoo | alright, going to use that in the future then :p | 10:51 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: btw, I'm reading the TOH specification. there're a few mistakes in the document | 10:51 |
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| Pnuu | competitor? you mean: inferior brand | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: -> together | 10:52 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ok | 10:52 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/25066/mistakes-in-the-other-half-documentation/ | 10:57 |
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| Venemo | IMO, the ambiences which come with the white TOH (or even the "first one") are just totally blown away by the ambiences of the new TOHs | 11:20 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | does anyone else have problem with gps? It takes something like 5 minutes to get a fix when I have not used gps for a while. | 11:20 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | mobile data is working fine | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: did you get one? | 11:20 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: no, I don't like the color of the TOHs themselves | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | ok, i thought you had more intimate knowledge | 11:21 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: no, just looked at the website | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | i'm resisting the buy | 11:21 |
| Venemo | HarhaanJohtaja: for me GPS lock takes between 10 and 30 seconds when I have a data connection and several minutes when I don't | 11:22 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I'm waiting for the lime other half, or maybe the hardware keyboard other half ;) | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: it works ok for me too, similar to venemo's experience, sometimes faster with no data connection | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: hw kbd is tempting indeed | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | i'm patient, i can wait | 11:23 |
| Venemo | me too | 11:23 |
| Venemo | now that I have the device itself, the rest can wait :) | 11:23 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | same for me before 1.0.25. Maybe I should try factory reset sometimes | 11:26 |
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| Venemo | I never did a factory reset, yet I have no issues at all | 11:29 |
| ggabriel | i did as a precaution | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | may do again for fun | 11:31 |
| Venemo | lol, for fun? | 11:31 |
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| ggabriel | yeah | 11:31 |
| Venemo | anyway, I gotta rush off now, ttyl :) | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | the jolla is not my main phone yet | 11:31 |
| Venemo | ah, it's my main phone :P | 11:31 |
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| rangoy | Why did jolla send an email about a new update now... when it was released almost a week ago? | 12:52 |
| Pnuu | email? | 12:53 |
| Pnuu | or a notification to phone? | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | no emails here | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | Pnuu: "New software update and The Other Half now available" from campaigns@jolla.com | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | less than 1 hour ago | 12:54 |
| Pnuu | 0_o | 12:54 |
| rangoy | New software update and The Other Half now available | 12:54 |
| rangoy | Inbox | 12:54 |
| rangoy | x | 12:54 |
| rangoy | Jolla campaigns@jolla.com via mail4.atl51.rsgsv.net | 12:54 |
| dawnbringer | I just got it too. | 12:54 |
| Nicd- | me too | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | must be going through my spam filter | 12:54 |
| Pnuu | I only got "Stimulate your body to amaze women" | 12:55 |
| Nicd- | it has info about he OH release too though | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | they must have thought "better wait for all the anxious people to download before we announce to the world" | 12:55 |
| rangoy | receeived 13:47 CET | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: lol | 12:55 |
| rangoy | yes, but that's old news too | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | i'm not the one monitoring the servers, so i wouldn't know ;-) | 12:55 |
| Pnuu | ok, received it now | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: "upgrade your phone and buy a new TOH to amaze women"? | 12:57 |
| aupo | For a moment I was feeling anxious when I got the mail, 'cause today my Jolla has been almost non-stop crash-restarting, only got it to stop by disabling mobile networking before it started up after another crash. | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: turn off your device, pull battery for 10 minutes | 12:58 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: extended TOH | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: i'm laughing irl | 12:59 |
| Pnuu | "just plug it in and she'll be happy" | 12:59 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: This a known fix? :) | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: well, calling it a fix is .. | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | let's call bandaid | 13:00 |
| aupo | Executing it right now, though, thanks :) | 13:00 |
| pp | it seems to have helped here! | 13:00 |
| aupo | So it seems the problem is known and perhaps in the process of being taken care of? | 13:00 |
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| Nicd- | I have my fingers crossed | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | almost 24 hours uptime now | 13:01 |
| skvark | my Jolla has shut down already 3 times today, no obvious reason o.o | 13:01 |
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| Venemo_j | the better question is, why doesn't the email appear readably on the Jolla device? | 13:03 |
| skvark | taking the battery off now for 10 mins | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | it was fine on mine | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | or do you mean the horiz scrolling? | 13:04 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... shame that i can't copy url's any more from the browser | 13:18 |
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| ggabriel | hopefuly tidings has a text/xml format and i can just create a dummy one and enter my feeds manually :P | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | s/manually/that way/ | 13:19 |
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| eyea | Jolla.)olla.joh | 13:32 |
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| Acce | ggabriel: copy urls? by long pressing a link? | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | Acce: that didn't work for me either | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | but i'd like to copy them from the tab switcher too | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | which i think i used to be able to | 13:41 |
| Acce | hmm weird long pressing links works for me | 13:41 |
| Acce | or at least worked, let me test | 13:41 |
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| ggabriel | nothing works actually | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | let me apply microsoft's troubleshooting rule | 13:42 |
| Acce | hmm, long pressing a link worked for me | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | Acce: thanks, i'm rebooting, if it doesn't work, i'll look into it a bit further | 13:43 |
| eyea | Jolla | 13:43 |
| Acce | in the tabs page it didn't work if I just clicked the url | 13:43 |
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| Acce | but if I edit the url and then long press it, it is copied | 13:44 |
| jussi | hey sledges - how are those android ports going along? | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | Acce: yup, reboot worked | 13:44 |
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| eyea | )0lla | 13:48 |
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| sledges | jussi: soon(tm) | 13:49 |
| jussi | sledges: hehe | 13:49 |
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| Gorith | sniff, for me it seems that jolla do not have a repair service at all, tomorrow it is exactly one month when I asked where to send or get my jolla for repair | 14:06 |
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| Gorith | no reply at all (i do not count the generic semiautoreply after the first post) | 14:06 |
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| eyea | shame | 14:09 |
| eyea | Jolla are a new outfit | 14:10 |
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| eyea | whats wrong with it | 14:10 |
| eyea | the phone | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | hm? | 14:11 |
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| flux | gorith, you should try again. | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | it is just a new back cover | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | for those that like it in a different colour | 14:11 |
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| Gorith | eyea: it is in boot loop | 14:13 |
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| Gorith | and recovery is not working | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: 1.0.2.5? | 14:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: what zendesk tickt # ? | 14:13 |
| Gorith | yep | 14:13 |
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| Gorith | Stskeeps: #6347 | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: ok | 14:15 |
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| zmo | hi! I just wanted to know whether it is possible to pay the jolla using a wire transfer (to lower money exchange charges)? | 14:35 |
| zmo | (in case anybody knows) | 14:35 |
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| ggabriel | zmo: ask jolla@care.com | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | or you'll have to get it 2nd hand | 14:37 |
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| * ggabriel is pretty sure that what a credit card charges is less than money transfer charges, but that may vary per country | 14:37 | |
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| Yaniel | ggabriel: was that "misspelling" intentional? | 14:38 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: sigh | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | zmo: care@jolla.com | 14:38 |
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| zmo | ggabriel - I actually use transferwise to lower exchange rates :-) | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: thanks for pointing out | 14:38 |
| zmo | but, ok | 14:38 |
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| zmo | anyway, I was just wondering, I admit I can't wait to buy and get one | 14:39 |
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| ggabriel | zmo: if you are in an unsupported country, i doubt jolla will sell to you now | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | unsupported country sounds harsh, but you get my gist | 14:42 |
| zmo | ggabriel - I'm in a supported country (France) but I do work for a UK based firm, and I'm sick of giving fees to the banks | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | i see | 14:43 |
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| bokal | zmo, can't you ask a friend? | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | zmo: get a big loan :D that way, the bank gives YOU money | 14:44 |
| zmo | I mean, I'm a FLOSS/OSHW engineer and supporter, but I do not see why I have to support the banking system, they already still too much from the people :-) | 14:44 |
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| zmo | s/still/steal/ | 14:44 |
| * zmo is a bit tired | 14:44 | |
| slate | battery went from 70 -> 0 in a matter of minutes, green light blinked and rebooted. :) | 14:45 |
| slate | And yes, it got hot. | 14:45 |
| Yaniel | did you run systemctl synchrotron.service? | 14:46 |
| zmo | slate - in eletronics it usually is signs of a shortcut | 14:46 |
| Yaniel | +start | 14:47 |
| slate | zmo: but now it was surely a software fail. | 14:47 |
| zmo | slate - wha | 14:47 |
| slate | Yaniel: no idea what that is | 14:47 |
| zmo | slate - reminded me of some GTA04 bugs | 14:47 |
| Yaniel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchrotron | 14:47 |
| slate | reminded me of some nokia-bugs. | 14:47 |
| slate | liek, 5230 | 14:47 |
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| slate | Yaniel: mine has not arrived yet | 14:48 |
| vesurivs | slate, theres been other reports of the same issue | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | on a more serious note, do you have done any hw hacks? | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | like nfc foiling | 14:48 |
| slate | Nope, never happened before 1.0.3.8 | 14:48 |
| vesurivs | battery draining rapidly to zero in a matter of seconds | 14:49 |
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| slate | some service got stuck | 14:49 |
| slate | thats it | 14:49 |
| * ggabriel wonders if the electronics in the jolla are strong enough to actually drain the battery, or there is a problem with the battery meter | 14:49 | |
| slate | it would not get hot in case of meter-failure | 14:50 |
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| ar | hm | 15:45 |
| ar | I'm at the "Ambience" and "Select your favourite colour" screen | 15:45 |
| ar | and there's no black :< | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | ar: there's never been a black | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | you can easily change the ambience, so don't sweat it | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | battery neter retardness comes out stronger under higher load | 15:46 |
| Raim | I deduce: black is not a colour | 15:48 |
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| Waitee | black is a colour | 15:49 |
| ar | technically, it's the lack of colour | 15:49 |
| Waitee | well it's lack of light | 15:49 |
| ar | but it's still my favourite | 15:49 |
| Waitee | if you talk about inks it has more colour than anything | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | Raim: you are right: black, white and any grey aren't official colours | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | but they are commonly referred to as colours | 15:55 |
| Waitee | i dont know who idiot defines what are "official" colours | 15:56 |
| Raim | ggabriel: I knew I would trigger this discussion with that statement ;-) | 15:56 |
| Waitee | if a visual shade is a combination of many different wavelengths it isnt a colour? | 15:57 |
| krnlyng | has anybody written gles or even sdl apps for sailfish yet? | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: if you talk to any designer-like professional, who are good with combining colours and classifying them, you'll find that black and white aren't colours | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, physically, black is nothing | 15:58 |
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| Waitee | :D | 15:58 |
| Waitee | so lack of wavelengths isnt colour | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i won't argue, i'm almost trolling :) | 15:59 |
| bwallberg | krnlyng: Try asking in the #sailfishos channel if you don't get an answer here :) | 15:59 |
| Waitee | still havent found a reasonable argument why white wouldnt be a colour | 15:59 |
| Waitee | it's just not because designers and artist are taught from the beginning so | 16:00 |
| Waitee | just like saying zero and infinite arent numbers | 16:00 |
| Waitee | yes im an engineer :D | 16:01 |
| tbr | they don't belong to certain number spaces though | 16:01 |
| Acce | so it's just a question of what color space you are talking about | 16:01 |
| ar | hm | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i'm an engineer too. the reason i was given is that they are achromatic | 16:01 |
| ar | where's the terminal app? | 16:02 |
| Waitee | you can say that about any number Acce | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | ar: you need to activate developer mode | 16:02 |
| ar | it doesn't show up in store when i search "term" or "terminal" | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | but don't touch the automatic dev updates | 16:02 |
| Acce | or any color, or anything you can model with a space | 16:02 |
| Waitee | gotta google what achromatic or chromatic means | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: you'll probably get the wrong answer ;-) | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | google being gooble | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | google even | 16:03 |
| Acce | I'm just goobling around | 16:03 |
| Acce | (= googling and finding false information which I believe) | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | i'm 66% colour blind so i honestly don't care | 16:03 |
| Waitee | wikipedia | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | surprisingly, i'm a lot better with any shade of grey than most "normal" people | 16:04 |
| tango_ | 66% colour blind? | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | or rather, unsurprisingly | 16:04 |
| tango_ | wth is that? | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | tango_: according to some test | 16:04 |
| tango_ | this is the first time I heard colour blindness defined in percentages honestly | 16:04 |
| tango_ | and I'm a pronatope | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | tango_: i guess it's about how many numbers you can tell in those circles :) | 16:05 |
| tango_ | oh I think I know what you mean | 16:05 |
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| tango_ | that's a stupid way of quantifying that though | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | tango_: well, i don' tknow the official way | 16:05 |
| tango_ | I'll give you a link | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | i'm less colour blind than a friend of mine | 16:05 |
| ggabriel | (who scored 80% on the same test) | 16:05 |
| Acce | I have a friend who's colour blind, and I tried to make him describe what red and green colors look like to him | 16:06 |
| Acce | it was an interesting discussion | 16:06 |
| tango_ | the answer is "the same" | 16:06 |
| tango_ | and that's not even correct | 16:06 |
| tango_ | (for example, light green = yellow) | 16:06 |
| Acce | it was not about comparing them | 16:06 |
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| tango_ | damnit the webpage isn't online anymore 8-/ | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | Acce: colour blind or not, describing colours is almost impossible | 16:07 |
| Acce | well, just trying to explain in words something one cannot understand unless they got such eyes | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | tango_: don't worry | 16:07 |
| Acce | ggabriel: yep, not with words anyhow | 16:08 |
| tango_ | AH, ARCHIVE.ORG TO THE RESCUE | 16:08 |
| Acce | which brings us to question: do other people really see color "green" as the "green" I see it as? | 16:08 |
| tango_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20110430051417/http://psychology.ucalgary.ca/pace/VA-Lab/colourperceptionweb/congenital.htm | 16:08 |
| tango_ | Acce: there's a martin mystere graphic novel on that, very nice, I recommend it | 16:09 |
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| Acce | they see the same mixture of wavelenghts of light, but do they interpret it in the same way? | 16:09 |
| Acce | tango_: thanks! | 16:09 |
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| ggabriel | tango_: in number 3, that colour arrangement test, i can see a circle with little circles inside :) | 16:10 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: do the first two air balloons picture look the same? | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | nope | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | and i know about the rod monochromat | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | i didn't know it was classified as colour blindness too | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | as the condition is rather different | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | this is quite interesting though :) | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | Acce: tango_ only one balloon looks very different, the others only slightly different | 16:11 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: I think you might be an anomalous tricromat rather than a dicromat | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | Acce: sorry, not sure why i typed your nickname there | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | i am anomalous alright ;-) | 16:12 |
| Acce | tango_: do you remember the exact name of the novel / episode? | 16:12 |
| Acce | ggabriel: no problem :) | 16:12 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: only the one on the left should look different | 16:12 |
| tango_ | the others should be the same | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | tango_: ah, gotcha | 16:12 |
| tango_ | Acce: well it was a special issue about color, so I'm going to guess some x00 | 16:13 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: and that shows that you are not a protanope 8-) | 16:13 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: what about the other pairs | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | 2nd pair, same sa before: but the balloon is a lot more different | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | wait | 16:13 |
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| ggabriel | the balloon in the middle is def different | 16:13 |
| ggabriel | but not in colour, it seems in intensity | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | and the one on the right only slightly different | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | sky is lighter on the left hand side | 16:14 |
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| tango_ | ggabriel: I'm going out and guess you are a protanomalous | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | tritanopia: this is almost black and white - i can see some red there, but that's about it | 16:14 |
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| tango_ | (i.e. not really colour blind but with defective "red" perception, to simplify) | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | tango_: could be, altho i suck at blue/purple/some pinks | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | i can see the difference between blue and purple | 16:15 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: anything with red will throw you off | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | but i can't distinguish them at a distance | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | purple may have red actually | 16:15 |
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| tango_ | purple is blue+red | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | i naver made purple | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | ok, gotcha | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | thanks, i know me better now | 16:16 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: what about yellow and light green? | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | normally i can tell the difference, but sometimes not | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | i can easily confuse green and red tho | 16:16 |
| tango_ | but you have excellent night vision | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | thinking about it, i'm pretty comfortable to distinguish yellow and green/light green/whatever | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | tango_: that's probably why the misus copmlains that i never switch on the light | 16:17 |
| tango_ | lol | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't say it's excellent tho | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | i actually thought about it | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | i should be more considerate | 16:17 |
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| tango_ | better than most tricromats I'm going to guess | 16:17 |
| tango_ | (normal tricromats) | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | well, i should have more receptors for that | 16:17 |
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| tango_ | I suspect that's the case for most colour perception deficiencies | 16:18 |
| tango_ | less cones for some wavelengths, but more rods in their place, or something like that | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | that's what "my inner fish" explains | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | or our inner fish, can't remember | 16:19 |
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| ggabriel | tango_: thanks, i owe you a beer ;) | 16:22 |
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| tango_ | I don't drink alcohol | 16:22 |
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| ggabriel | s/beer/drink/ | 16:22 |
| tango_ | that can be arranged | 16:23 |
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| ggabriel | :) | 16:23 |
| mikhas | I'll happily drink your beer as long as it's not Lapin Kulta. | 16:23 |
| Acce | mikhas: +1 :D | 16:23 |
| mikhas | ggabriel, you owe me one beer now | 16:24 |
| svuorela | I want lapin kulta | 16:24 |
| mikhas | svuorela, pervert | 16:24 |
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| tobiski | Hi, I'm about to change my SIM-card to a new one, how do I know if the phone numbers are on the device or sim-card and if they're on the sim-card, how can I move them to the new one? | 16:25 |
| svuorela | mikhas: but karjala terva olut would be my preferred one from that country | 16:25 |
| Sail0r | is the store just for me slow? | 16:25 |
| tbr | tobiski: whatever you see in the jolla UI is on the phone | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: device | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: | 16:33 |
| tobiski | ok, so I can just activate the new sim-card and take it to use | 16:33 |
| TMavica | testing | 16:34 |
| PeperJohnny | Stskeeps: is there a way to delete contacts from sim you know of with jolla? | 16:34 |
| TMavica | testing of irc 0.11 | 16:34 |
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| Sidde | Why is ipv6 privacy IPs set to disabled by default? | 16:59 |
| Sidde | is that some kind of joke? | 16:59 |
| Sidde | and how do you enable it? | 17:01 |
| ar | yay, vi is installed by default | 17:02 |
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| ar | Sidde: if it's controllable with sysctl, you should be able to just put a file in /etc/sysctl.d | 17:03 |
| Sail0r | set this to enabled in your connman config for the network where you want it IPv6.privacy=disabled | 17:03 |
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| Sail0r | or via sysctl net.ipv6.conf.wlan0.use_tempaddr = 2 | 17:05 |
| Sidde | why is that not on by default? | 17:05 |
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| Sail0r | on most systems i know it's disabled by default | 17:06 |
| Sidde | if i set it to enable and reconnect. it goes back to disabled | 17:06 |
| Sidde | Sail0r: its enabled on osx and windows at least | 17:06 |
| Sail0r | i speak of linux systems :x | 17:07 |
| Sidde | i can check tomorrow in redhat what's the default | 17:07 |
| Sail0r | and i disable it anyway on all my systems | 17:07 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 17:07 |
| Sidde | Sail0r: why? | 17:07 |
| Sidde | you like exposing your MAC? | 17:07 |
| Sail0r | i do not expose my mac | 17:07 |
| vatte | who doesn't like exposing their MAC? | 17:08 |
| Sidde | you don't use the dynamic addesses then? | 17:08 |
| Sail0r | I don't believe that ipv6 privacy helps in privacy issues | 17:08 |
| vatte | I just don't expose my MAC wherever for the fear of being arrested | 17:09 |
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| ggabriel | vatte: so, change it evrey now and then :P | 17:09 |
| Sidde | Sail0r: it might not solve the issue but it helps avoid tracking abit | 17:10 |
| Sail0r | my prefix is fixed delegated | 17:10 |
| Sail0r | so i am trackable ^^ | 17:10 |
| Sidde | :P | 17:10 |
| vatte | ggabriel: sounds a bit kinky for my taste ;) | 17:11 |
| Sail0r | but maybe there are problems with tempaddr in sailfish | 17:12 |
| Sidde | i cant get it to work | 17:13 |
| Sidde | How do i disable v6? | 17:13 |
| Sidde | might be easier to just do that instead | 17:13 |
| Sidde | and i mean permanent and not just per wifi-connection | 17:14 |
| Sail0r | net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 | 17:15 |
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| Sidde | and add it to sysctl i'll guess? | 17:16 |
| anonfriese | so guys, any toh-orders already shipped? | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | you kinda have to | 17:16 |
| Sidde | i mean add it into sysctl.conf | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | Sidde: yup | 17:16 |
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| ggabriel | else it's gone after reboot | 17:16 |
| Sail0r | if you want it to be permant disabled you must add it to sysctl.conf | 17:16 |
| Sail0r | afterwards run sysctl -p | 17:17 |
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| Sidde | there is not even a sysctl.conf :D | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | iirc, that's normally the case | 17:20 |
| Sidde | maybe in sailfish yes | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | Sidde: same in openbsd fwiw | 17:20 |
| Sail0r | just add it | 17:20 |
| Sidde | ggabriel: havn't been configuring openbsd since the 3.3 days i think | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | btw, anybody knows of a cool image manipulation package in mer-tools or alike? | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | kinda like imagemagick | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | isn't imagemagick available? | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | so that i can do things like convert -rotate 180 updside.down.pdf kind of thing :) | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | i searched for it and it wasn't | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | :-( | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | oh hang about | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | did i re-add mer-tools | 17:21 |
| Sidde | it did work so thanks ggabriel and Sail0r | 17:22 |
| Sail0r | and now we track you with ipv4 :x | 17:22 |
| ggabriel | yup, it's enabled and it isn't there | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | not trivial to port to arm me thinks | 17:23 |
| Sidde | Sail0r: that's ok. It's already exposed everywhere anyway | 17:23 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: oh, it certainly is available for arm | 17:23 |
| Pnuu | I have it on RPi and UDOO | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: cool, so it just needs to be in mer-tools, or i'll have to find it elsewhere | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | isn't the raspi slightly different cpu-wise? | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | anyway i have to set up cross compiling | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | and get on with it | 17:24 |
| Pnuu | RPi has ARM1176JZFS | 17:25 |
| Pnuu | and now I gotta run | 17:26 |
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| stephg | anyone else think the wireless has got less reliable in 1038? | 18:04 |
| Sail0r | hm it's working for me | 18:05 |
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| ar | the store app renamed itself to yandex.store o_O | 18:10 |
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| Frye | Battery life is real nice now. I was out in the woods from tuesday morning. Got my Jolla and iPhone 5 with me overnight. I had to switch the iPhone off around 7pm on tuesday and on again approx 1pm on wednesday for it to survive the remainder of the trip. | 18:11 |
| Frye | At the same time Jolla showed more than 50% | 18:11 |
| Frye | And it was on all the time. And only device being used when the iPhone was off. :-) | 18:12 |
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| Quu | nice | 18:15 |
| Frye | yep | 18:15 |
| Frye | I mean it was on par with the iPhone already before the update. | 18:15 |
| Frye | But now it was way better. | 18:15 |
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| vatte | Damn, jolla would be a really usable phone, if only mine didn't shut down randomly | 18:16 |
| vatte | I'm talking about this topic: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | vatte: have you tried to take battery off for 10 minutes? | 18:17 |
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| vatte | Nicd-: yes, but it doesn't help for long | 18:17 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: I wonder if there is any news... :) | 18:18 |
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| vatte | tried also resetting the system, didn't help | 18:18 |
| vatte | it's quite discouraging to do anything with the phone, as it might shutdown in the middle of any activity | 18:19 |
| Quu | my shutdown problems disappeared about 2 weeks ago and have had 0 problems after that | 18:20 |
| Quu | no idea why/how it ended.. | 18:20 |
| vatte | I also have the sim card issue: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/ | 18:21 |
| vatte | all in all, this probably means that I'm quite hard to get in touch with these days :D | 18:21 |
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| Raim | vatte: I had problems when I used a custom cut-down SIM card first, no problems anymore with a regular micro-SIM | 18:24 |
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| vatte | Raim: I got the regular micro-SIM from my provider as well, didn't help with the problem | 18:24 |
| vatte | I guess I didn't win the hardware lottery :P | 18:25 |
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| cb400f | vatte: apparently the problem is that the sim needs to trigger some switch in the top left area of the sim card slot | 18:30 |
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| * cb400f doesn't have any problems with the jolla, besides not being able to resist constantly swiping it | 18:34 | |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments | 18:52 |
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| netzvieh | the battery usage improvements were pretty huge oO | 19:21 |
| netzvieh | 2 days of normal use and still over 50% | 19:21 |
| Sail0r | :) | 19:21 |
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| netzvieh | where before the update I'd be at 0 to 5 after one and a half day | 19:22 |
| netzvieh | (even with disabled/masked tohd.service) | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | oO | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | my battery life was always the same since tohd.service masking | 19:23 |
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| Sail0r | 3-5 | 19:23 |
| Sail0r | days | 19:23 |
| Sail0r | and it's the same with 1.0.3.8 | 19:23 |
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| Frye | Anyone else here having this obsession to get all the new other halves :D | 19:24 |
| Frye | I'm soooo tempted | 19:24 |
| Jope | I'm quite intrigued about the oled toh | 19:24 |
| attah | Frye: thinking about it, yes.. | 19:25 |
| Jope | too lazy to contact kimmoli about it tho | 19:25 |
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| tobiski | hmm, I know some have the error message while connecting OH but I don't get any error message nor does it change my ambience, anyone else having this? | 19:25 |
| slate | I want a toh without the round top/bottom shape | 19:25 |
| tobiski | my tohd.service is running | 19:25 |
| slate | just flat, please. | 19:25 |
| netzvieh | Frye: I'll stay with the poppyred until something useful turns up | 19:25 |
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| Frye | For me the poppy red would most likely be the one that I use. | 19:26 |
| Sail0r | I ordered keira black | 19:26 |
| Frye | And there is no _real_ reason for me to get those. | 19:26 |
| Sail0r | i can not resist xD | 19:26 |
| Frye | But for some reason I just have to have it all :D | 19:26 |
| Sail0r | the reason for me to get another other half is supporting jolla :) | 19:26 |
| netzvieh | even though poppy red looks more like orange :D | 19:26 |
| Frye | Sail0r, same thinking here. | 19:28 |
| Frye | Just hit the order button | 19:28 |
| Sail0r | :) | 19:28 |
| Frye | Got both of the new ones... | 19:28 |
| Sail0r | :) | 19:28 |
| Quu | i want green/yellow | 19:28 |
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| Quu | or maybe something with with | 19:28 |
| Frye | I want deep blue | 19:28 |
| Sail0r | lime green and pink is what i want | 19:29 |
| Sail0r | xD | 19:29 |
| Quu | erh, patterns? | 19:29 |
| Frye | Or forest green :D | 19:29 |
| Quu | i cant english today | 19:29 |
| Frye | I'm soon to become a wilderness guide. This year still to complete studies. | 19:29 |
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| Frye | Anyway, off to packing. Got this one to complete in the coming weekend: http://www.umpihankihiihto.pudasjarvi.fi/english/index.php | 19:30 |
| Frye | I'm so tempted to bring my Jolla with me and have some pictures of it participating in the contest :D | 19:31 |
| Frye | We'll see. | 19:31 |
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| netzvieh | you mean, your jolla with skis ? | 19:33 |
| netzvieh | I'd like to see that | 19:33 |
| netzvieh | I bet its pretty hard without feet | 19:33 |
| Sail0r | maybe a toh with skiing helmet? ^^ | 19:34 |
| Sail0r | and solar for recharging | 19:34 |
| Frye | =) | 19:34 |
| Quu | and parachute for surviving plane crash | 19:34 |
| Frye | I'm confident it'll survive. | 19:34 |
| Frye | I'm worried about my company iPhone though | 19:34 |
| AL13N | a quadcopter TOH with extra battery and solar charger | 19:35 |
| Frye | It's dead dry on battery before we hit the camping site on saturday evening =) | 19:35 |
| netzvieh | Frye: crush it and tell your boss you want a jolla :) | 19:35 |
| AL13N | then, try to send the phone accross the planet | 19:35 |
| Frye | hehe | 19:35 |
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| Sail0r | ok this thing stays away from my jolla :x http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/(beta)-okeanos-sailfish-irc-client/new/?topicseen#new | 19:35 |
| Frye | I'm very soon making the change | 19:35 |
| Frye | I just need to get the time to switch both sim cards | 19:35 |
| Frye | My own to iPhone and the company one to my jolla | 19:36 |
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| netzvieh | AL13N: you could try something like they did with the raspi and the camera board | 19:36 |
| netzvieh | in a small balloon | 19:36 |
| Frye | I pretty much need the search functionality to e-mails and I'm switching. | 19:36 |
| netzvieh | yeah the mail client needs a huge improvement | 19:37 |
| AL13N | netzvieh: maybe the quadcopter needs an extra rocket to go faster | 19:37 |
| Frye | Currently I find myself way too often using it on the company phone | 19:37 |
| Frye | Other than that I could live with it already | 19:37 |
| netzvieh | oh i always have my company phone with me, to have internet for my jolla :D still no sim in it, because my provider won't answer my questions regarding a second sim card :( | 19:38 |
| netzvieh | anf 5gb are enough for 2 phones :D | 19:38 |
| ar | hm | 19:39 |
| ar | my store icon got replaced with yandex.store and it launches a different store than the default one | 19:39 |
| ar | where it prompts me to register/login | 19:40 |
| Nicd- | yandex.store is the android store | 19:40 |
| Nicd- | it shouldn't replace the jolla store | 19:40 |
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| AL13N | maybe you're overlooking the jolla store | 19:41 |
| AL13N | JOLLA HAS A BIG ISSUE!!! | 19:43 |
| AL13N | PLZ HELP!!!111one | 19:43 |
| AL13N | someone called me on my jolla | 19:43 |
| AL13N | and i don't know them | 19:43 |
| AL13N | FIX ASAP!!!!111ONE!!! | 19:43 |
| netzvieh | :D | 19:43 |
| Acce | feature-request: add panic button to AL13N's Jolla | 19:44 |
| AL13N | Acce: or better | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | OH with panic button | 19:44 |
| AL13N | a DON'T PANIC sign | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | shuts down the phone | 19:44 |
| AL13N | in friendly letters | 19:44 |
| Sail0r | lol AL13N | 19:44 |
| AL13N | i assume everyone knows what i'm talking about | 19:44 |
| Acce | Maybe they should just hire some woman with beautiful voice | 19:44 |
| Acce | and put it as your alarm sound | 19:44 |
| Sail0r | did you wear your towel ? | 19:44 |
| jussi | no, if you hit the panic button it automatically shuts down your social networking sites :P | 19:44 |
| Acce | "AL13N, honey, don't panic" | 19:45 |
| AL13N | Sail0r: nobody said to WEAR it, i'm carrying it with me | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | maybe that's the problem :P | 19:45 |
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| AL13N | first i'm taping off the camera's on my jolla | 19:45 |
| AL13N | you never know :-) | 19:45 |
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| netzvieh | AL13N: all 3 of them? | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | both cameras | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | 3? | 19:45 |
| AL13N | 3? | 19:45 |
| Sail0r | maybe you have a different one ^^ | 19:46 |
| Nicd- | see the pinhole camera at the top? | 19:46 |
| AL13N | wut | 19:46 |
| Nicd- | it's watching | 19:46 |
| AL13N | PANIC | 19:46 |
| * AL13N imagines some extremely loud alarm noise with a turning light in red | 19:46 | |
| AL13N | maybe there needs to be a hitchhikers guide to galaxy OH | 19:47 |
| netzvieh | Sail0r: maybe YOU just don't know all secrets of your jolla yet | 19:47 |
| Sail0r | i always put it in his pocket ^^ | 19:47 |
| netzvieh | AL13N: UNBEDINGT! | 19:48 |
| AL13N | sorry, i'm not german | 19:48 |
| netzvieh | forgot how to english. just would be toooo awesome. | 19:48 |
| netzvieh | well i know. just couldn't remember how to say it english ;) | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | absolut? ^^ | 19:49 |
| Sail0r | +e | 19:49 |
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| netzvieh | hmm. there's just no word to express that :D | 19:50 |
| netzvieh | they are all too weak | 19:50 |
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| FireFly | AL13N: towel other half? | 20:22 |
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| FireFly | probably not too practical | 20:23 |
| Nicd- | I think cybette already has one somewhat like that ;) | 20:23 |
| FireFly | Haha, right | 20:23 |
| FireFly | the furry OH | 20:23 |
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| attah | cybette: pic? | 20:26 |
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| jubo2 | The SMS UI needs work | 20:44 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: that campaign mail is a surprise... 6 days after the update to all those people having more bugs than before^^ | 20:44 |
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| jubo2 | a somewhat sizeable amount of work | 20:44 |
| chem|st | jubo2: many things need work | 20:44 |
| chem|st | jubo2: but first of all they need to fix the connection problems | 20:44 |
| jubo2 | chem|st: it is only the lack of salary payers | 20:44 |
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| ShadowJK | what bugs :D | 20:47 |
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| jubo2 | Sometimes I cannot figure out to whom all I am sending a message | 20:47 |
| jubo2 | that's a rather serious fumble-up | 20:47 |
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| jubo2 | The devels are like "Look mom. No buttons." | 21:00 |
| jubo2 | and are almost getting away with it | 21:00 |
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| slate | uhm, peek right? | 21:04 |
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| keithzg | I think the most serious bug right now is the French government not letting my parents leave the country while processing their visa applications, thus meaning they can't come back to Canada for a few days and happen to bring my Jolla with them ;) | 21:17 |
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| chem|st | keithzg: sad story bro :/ | 21:19 |
| chem|st | slate: peek what? | 21:19 |
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| slate | to see message recipient? | 21:20 |
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| Yaniel | or swipe left | 21:22 |
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| FireFly | keithzg: aw :( | 21:30 |
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| AJAX555 | oh yeah! | 22:13 |
| AJAX555 | "Which mobile platform do you use?" | 22:13 |
| AJAX555 | finally I get to choose "other"! | 22:14 |
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