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| * pahartik tries to upgrade "Sailfish" to "1.0.3.8" but it tells there is "problem with store" and fails to transfer data | 01:27 | |
| cvp | Quu damn i cant find nothing about this what you write :( | 01:27 |
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| Yaniel | oh no, this "term quoting" again | 01:27 |
| Yaniel | pahartik: from what version are you updating= | 01:28 |
| cvp | i go sleep... night | 01:28 |
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| pahartik | Yaniel: It has been running "1.0.2.5" for 34 days | 01:33 |
| Yaniel | and store used to work? | 01:34 |
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| pahartik | Yaniel: Store works, I started it and can browse application lists | 01:38 |
| Yaniel | retry updating after a while | 01:39 |
| Yaniel | do you have developer mode enabled? | 01:39 |
| pahartik | Yaniel: Yes | 01:41 |
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| Yaniel | then the output from journalctl might provide some insight | 01:42 |
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| pahartik | Yaniel: It is timeout with "https://store-repository.jolla.com/" | 01:56 |
| Yaniel | sailors: ^ ? | 01:57 |
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| * pahartik even tried rebooting "Jolla Mobile" device in case IPv6 routing and Bluetooth PAN would have left something on way of HTTPS, but it did not help | 03:19 | |
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| Pnuu | hmm, why is together asking me to sign up instead of letting me sign in :-P | 08:27 |
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| sejo | is there a way to import your sms from android to jolla? | 09:11 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, is messages with images on its way to jolla? | 09:12 |
| Quu | messages with images. | 09:12 |
| Quu | did you mean: email? | 09:12 |
| sejo | I think he means mms | 09:13 |
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| tango_ | Quu: SHAME ON YOU EMAIL IS PLAIN TEXT | 09:19 |
| tango_ | why am I shouting? | 09:19 |
| tango_ | I mean, it _is_ a serious matter, but still ... | 09:19 |
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| Pnuu | CoderCandy: mms is on the roadmap | 09:36 |
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| attah | Has anyone tried chromecasting from the jolla? | 09:53 |
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| CoderCandy | Pnuu, ah, awesome! | 09:57 |
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| Quu | Pnuu: but Jolla is boat, it should be on cruise schedule | 10:04 |
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| walokra | jolla is a small sailing boat, if there's no wind, it goes nowhere :) | 10:06 |
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| * CoderCandy takes a deep breath and blows at the general direction of Jollas headquarter. | 10:10 | |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: bad breath, or what broke in your device? | 10:10 |
| CoderCandy | Stskeeps, well, I have 2 rather annoying issues. Random sudden shutdowns, and blank screen. | 10:11 |
| CoderCandy | The blank screen sometimes happen when I try to wake it. Killing lipstick and forcing it to restart works if I have access to ssh. Otherwise I can try to spam the lock-button or do a reboot | 10:12 |
| CoderCandy | The random sudden shuttdown (symptoms like a loose connection to the battery) I have no clue... | 10:12 |
| CoderCandy | shutdown* | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: sudden system shutdown, try to pull battery for 10 minutes? | 10:13 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: told him to do that yesterday | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | the blank screen is probably a bug, does the LED blink? | 10:13 |
| alterego | CoderCandy: shutdown or hard power off? | 10:13 |
| CoderCandy | hard power off | 10:13 |
| CoderCandy | Stskeeps, yeah, the led and touch is working | 10:13 |
| CoderCandy | (I can hear the sounds of pulley-menus and shit) | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, lemme rephrase | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | is the LED blinking when it goes blank? | 10:14 |
| CoderCandy | No, it blinks green when I kill lipstick | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:14 |
| CoderCandy | otherwise it operates as intended | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw killing lipstick might make the symptom worse over time | 10:14 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm | 10:14 |
| CoderCandy | how so? | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i can wave my hands and say 'buggy framebuffer management in qualcomm' and you'd be okay with that? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't like not cleaning up after yourself | 10:16 |
| CoderCandy | Ahh | 10:17 |
| CoderCandy | but a reboot should... reset the problems? | 10:17 |
| cb400f | I've had the "blank screen" on unlock a couple of times.. the first time I rebooted... the second time, it seemed to snap out of it after I swiped down to sleep from the blank screen, and then tapped to wake up | 10:17 |
| clau | hmm, the messaging app just froze on me | 10:17 |
| clau | though, I think I've seen this reported on TJC already | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: yes | 10:19 |
| CoderCandy | Sweet | 10:19 |
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| CoderCandy | I really hope the hard-power-off problem is software | 10:19 |
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| CoderCandy | It would suck to need to send my phone in for repairs :( | 10:20 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: uh btw, can i delete the "unsent whatever-log-thingies" so it wont notify about 300 unsent things? :p | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: yes | 10:20 |
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| Quu | where/how? :) | 10:21 |
| Quu | lifelogs? | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: rm | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:27 |
| Quu | but but what i need to delete? D: | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | rcore.lzo probably | 10:28 |
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| Quu | makes sense. why didnt i figure that out. | 10:29 |
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| stephg | hey Stskeeps how'd the talk go | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: good thanks | 10:39 |
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| stephg | looking forward to a video if one surfaces :) | 10:41 |
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| jubo2 | I have no ringtone on incoming calls | 11:00 |
| jubo2 | and yes the device is not on mute | 11:00 |
| jubo2 | what's wrong? | 11:00 |
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| clau | jubo2, check the ringtone volume both in settings *and* in your Ambience settings | 11:02 |
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| Nokius1 | is any one running modrana / monav on a Jolla? there Mer//nemomobile bulids | 11:04 |
| Quu | Nokius1: iirc some people talked about it here and installed it | 11:06 |
| Quu | cant remember if they got it working or not | 11:06 |
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| Nokius1 | okay obs says there a 2 erros in the bulid proces :-/ | 11:06 |
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| Nokius1 | may have to try to get in touch with the Project members | 11:08 |
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| Nokius1 | Quu: a the code is on github | 11:10 |
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| Quu | yeah noticed | 11:11 |
| jubo2 | where can I access the "ambience"-settings ? | 11:11 |
| Quu | there seems to be packages too, might try to install and test it | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: gallery | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | and ringtone volume is on the first page of settings as well by default | 11:11 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: ringtone volume on max in ambience too | 11:12 |
| jubo2 | I have zero ringtone on incoming calls.. | 11:12 |
| jubo2 | except in the headphones I can hear the ringtone if that helps | 11:12 |
| Yaniel | oh you have headphones attached? | 11:15 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: The bug is with or without headphones attached | 11:15 |
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| jubo2 | pretty major bug, unable to rely on the phone playing a ring-tone on incoming call | 11:17 |
| Nokius1 | Quu: ? where? cant see them on the github page | 11:17 |
| Quu | http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SystemDownloadEN#InstallationpackageforNemoMobile | 11:18 |
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| Nokius1 | Quu: saw this will try it later … no Jolla around | 11:20 |
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| jubo2 | Halp me with my Finlan föyn. Nou ringtoun at ööl. | 11:24 |
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| Nokius1 | Quu: thanks for your tips :D have nice one will report my resulte later today | 11:26 |
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| Quu | Nokius1: np :) | 11:28 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: try again in an actual language? | 11:51 |
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| Quu | Yaniel: "such problem. very annoy. wow." | 11:52 |
| Quu | better? | 11:52 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: Finlan is what the chinese say | 11:52 |
| jubo2 | or more like Fänlan if written in phonetic script | 11:52 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: and it was about the only word I recognized the first time I read it | 11:53 |
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| Yaniel | and it would be Fēnlán | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | Quu: that is at least in use on the internet | 11:55 |
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| javisail | meh to people impressed re wine on android | 12:17 |
| javisail | we did that on n900 | 12:17 |
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| Yaniel | yay battery life is a lot better with 1.0.3.8 | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | 100% -> 97% in 9h | 12:20 |
| mikma | quite more if you celebrate it with heebo like i did | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | hehe no | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | just idling | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | with wlan/3g off | 12:21 |
| FireFly | Mine went 8% → 0% in about an hour last thurdsay :\ (with tohd disabled) | 12:26 |
| FireFly | Though I don't think the battery depletion is necessarily linear? | 12:26 |
| FireFly | so I guess that's why | 12:26 |
| friese | humm, mines at 94% right now, last charged 10 hours ago, basically idling with just 3g/w-lan on.... | 12:26 |
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| ShadowJK | You can probably expect the last percentages will be "sudden death" | 12:28 |
| kehnoo | why would you run your phone that low anyway? | 12:29 |
| FireFly | ..in which case getting a notification about low battery at 10% isn't terribly helpful :p | 12:29 |
| kehnoo | I turn mine off when it gets to under 10% to preserve battery health | 12:29 |
| FireFly | I was sitting around on a lecture and forgot that I left weechat over mosh open, running on 3G | 12:30 |
| FireFly | ...until I noticed the phone was at like 10%, at which point I shut down everything and hoped it'd survive the rest of the lecture | 12:30 |
| kehnoo | yeah, but I don't get people who charge their phones until it's in the low-10s :) | 12:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Mine runs down to 3% iirc | 12:31 |
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| ballock | I've got some mp3 playback issues | 12:32 |
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| ballock | both the built-in player and Sabas skip over parts of the track | 12:34 |
| tbr | I've had that too, also with ogg/vorbis files | 12:34 |
| ballock | once seeked to the part that had issues it walks over correctly | 12:35 |
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| ballock | and damn, I got usrd to closing apps from the camera to the speaker | 12:35 |
| ballock | (i've just shutdown my mosh screen session runnng in landscape again) | 12:36 |
| ballock | tbr: 'had' sounds like past tense? | 12:37 |
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| tbr | on my flight to brussels | 12:37 |
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| tbr | haven't verified after upgrading to current version | 12:38 |
| tbr | also I had A2DP on, so not sure if that was related | 12:38 |
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| ballock | I had that on 1.0.2.5 and now on 1.0.3.8, no headsets | 12:39 |
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| tbr | will try on my flight back | 12:39 |
| tbr | now have a wired set of headphones from the Xen project ;) | 12:39 |
| ballock | btw, once I press 'play' the counter stays at 0:00 value until I pause. Expect2d behaviour? | 12:40 |
| ballock | perhaps I should add some gstreamer plugin if the current one does not handle mp3s that well? | 12:41 |
| * tbr ponders why "ssu s" claims 1.0.3.8, while GUI claims 1.0.2.5 and upgrade dialogue fails | 12:42 | |
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| ballock | ... weird. now the action of background/close is back to what it was in 1.0.2.5... | 12:43 |
| friese | tbr: xen project? | 12:44 |
| tbr | time to hunt some food. bbl | 12:44 |
| tbr | friese: swag from their FOSDEM table | 12:44 |
| friese | ah okay, nice :) | 12:44 |
| friese | missed it this year :( | 12:44 |
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| Nokius2 | Quu: there are also a packed with the habour Label in obs of modrana | 12:54 |
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| Quu | Nokius2: ok, probably missed that one | 12:55 |
| Nokius2 | Quu: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=harbour-modrana&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish%3Amodrana | 12:55 |
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| Quu | cool :) | 12:55 |
| Nokius2 | rpm https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=harbour-modrana&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish%3Amodrana&repository=sailfish_1.0.2.5_armv7hl | 12:56 |
| Sidde | does anyone know any progress to fixing the 22kHz mono-bug? | 12:56 |
| Sidde | many audiobooks are in that format and they are not working correctly. Lots of stuttering | 12:57 |
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| jubo2 | Looks like I'm going to need to get a data-only package for the Jolla yks-piste-nolla and keep using my phone for phonethings | 12:59 |
| jubo2 | I mean if turning the ringtone back on isn't happening then how can I use this as phone | 12:59 |
| Quu | pretty sure you just user-error'd something | 12:59 |
| Quu | and blame it on the phone. | 13:00 |
| jubo2 | Quu: I've checked that the sounds are on | 13:01 |
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| Yaniel | there are multiple "sounds on" settings | 13:01 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I checked both in Gallery and in Settings | 13:01 |
| Quu | do you have the file in the phone? :p | 13:02 |
| jubo2 | the phone does not ring | 13:02 |
| Quu | is the correct ambience set? | 13:02 |
| jubo2 | Ambiance is just fine | 13:02 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | silent mode? | 13:02 |
| Quu | does the ambience say that file is the ringtone? | 13:03 |
| jubo2 | HarhaanJohtaja: checked gazillion tillion times from glow menu in up-screen | 13:03 |
| kehnoo | can you play the ringtone with the media app | 13:03 |
| jubo2 | Quu: I haven't touched the settings | 13:03 |
| Quu | ok. thats the problem. | 13:03 |
| jubo2 | kehnoo: I don't have media app yet.. | 13:03 |
| Quu | you need to set the ringtone from ambience. | 13:04 |
| jubo2 | Quu: remind meagain where do I find this "ambiance" | 13:05 |
| jubo2 | ambiance != moods ? | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | Gallery -> Ambiences | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | or Tunnelma in finnish | 13:06 |
| Nokius2 | Quu: see u later will try the rpm | 13:06 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: It just gives possibility to star that Ambiance and the ringtone volume.. I don't see where I can access the settings | 13:07 |
| Quu | mark it as favorite | 13:08 |
| Quu | or create one | 13:08 |
| Quu | because you cant edit the default ones | 13:08 |
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| Quu | and if you are using default, it might not have ringtone if you have messed with stuff | 13:09 |
| Quu | hence, user-error | 13:09 |
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| javisail | anyone planning to attend tracker's talk? | 13:11 |
| jubo2 | Quu: I haven't messed anything.. I never touched the ringtone and now it doesn't play at all on incoming sms or call | 13:11 |
| jubo2 | where is the settings for the ring tone.. well hidden prlly.. | 13:12 |
| Quu | jubo2: if you remove the tutorial-app, you will delete default ringtones | 13:12 |
| Quu | so just create the fucking ambience and test if it works | 13:12 |
| AntiHawk | Hello, yesterday I was talking here about problem with my Jolla; Crashing every minute or two and sometimes it's just crashes and turns off and sometimes restarts. This usually happens when I'm using the phone, it doesn't matter what I do seldomly it crashes even when I'm not using the phone. Yesterday I was told here that I should take off the battery for 10 minutes and see how it goes after that; well yesterday crashes stop | 13:13 |
| javisail | btw I got a 3rd uldate notification moments ago, it installed something and rebooted | 13:13 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: ringtone settings are in Settings -> System -> Sounds and Feedback | 13:14 |
| Quu | or just create the ambience, change the settings there and TADAH! it works without any problems | 13:15 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: looks like the files are gon | 13:15 |
| Yaniel | there you go | 13:15 |
| jubo2 | Quu: where can I create one.. there is no glow menu in the Ambience selection screen | 13:15 |
| kehnoo | AntiHawk, so it worked? :) | 13:15 |
| Quu | jubo2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMztxUHFjc | 13:15 |
| Quu | jubo2: RTFM ok. | 13:16 |
| AntiHawk | Battery removal fixed temporally the problem, now it's on again... | 13:16 |
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| jubo2 | how much memory does the Jolla have? | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | I have an 16 gig sdhc card in mah old NOK phone but I want to keep it | 13:21 |
| jubo2 | get a new card for this new phone | 13:21 |
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| kehnoo | get good one and test it before using or you'll have strange behaviour, I had to swap mine because the previous one was fake | 13:22 |
| jubo2 | It's not reasonable that accidentally or unknowingly closing the tutorial app kills urr tone collection into /dev/null | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | it is a good idea to follow the instructions on screen | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | or rtfm | 13:24 |
| jubo2 | where is tfm? | 13:24 |
| Yaniel | it is in the box | 13:24 |
| * jubo2 goes to check the sales package | 13:24 | |
| Yaniel | like the first thing you could not avoid seeing when you opened it | 13:24 |
| Yaniel | in fact it is not possible to extract the phone from the box without either destroying the box or grabbing the manual | 13:25 |
| kehnoo | sounds like a challenge! | 13:25 |
| Yaniel | (iirc) | 13:26 |
| Yaniel | please post results online | 13:26 |
| Yaniel | with pics | 13:26 |
| attah | Frack! Chromecasting netflix almost works from the jolla. All except for actual video. | 13:27 |
| Yaniel | so about the font thing: http://i.imgur.com/kGZA7OT.jpg | 13:27 |
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| AntiHawk | kehnoo: I did the battery trick again and crashing stopped .. again :) | 13:28 |
| kehnoo | well, try longer next time, maybe the longer you keep it unplugged, the longer it works without crashing? :D | 13:28 |
| AntiHawk | :D | 13:29 |
| Yaniel | the difference is even more visible on the phone | 13:29 |
| AntiHawk | I will get an another unit if this doesn't stop and convert this one to do something else | 13:29 |
| AntiHawk | I have a digital led strip project in progress so that could have use for GUI device | 13:30 |
| jubo2 | how do I get the lost ringtones and the tutorial app back ? | 13:31 |
| Quu | jubo2: pkcon install jolla-starupwizard-tutorial | 13:32 |
| jubo2 | Quu: and I run that where...? Shell? I dunno how to get to shell .. | 13:33 |
| Yaniel | factory reset then | 13:33 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: From the settings.. what kind of info will be lost.. not the phonebook I hope | 13:33 |
| Quu | everything will be lost | 13:34 |
| Quu | world is going to end | 13:34 |
| Yaniel | everything | 13:34 |
| FireFly | Yaniel: size difference, you mean? | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | FireFly: size and colour intensity | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | latin looks much fainter/dimmer | 13:35 |
| jubo2 | Next time put a red and yellow sticker "Accidentally or unknowingly closing the tutorial app all your default sound files WILL BE DELETED | 13:35 |
| FireFly | Yeah | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: that is not even the worst thing that could happen | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | actually wait store works for you, right? | 13:36 |
| kehnoo | Yaniel, http://youtu.be/iJQ93VaXDX0 | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | if so, then you can enable developer mode | 13:36 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: Jolla store works yeah | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo: hah, okay you win :D | 13:36 |
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| Quu | Yaniel: gl with helping him trough that | 13:37 |
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| Yaniel | Quu: I have time | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | (not really) | 13:37 |
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| jubo2 | Quu: where do I run 'pkcon install jolla-starupwizard-tutorial' ? | 13:39 |
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| jubo2 | but that won't bring the deleted sounds back will it? | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | in the terminal that got installed when you enabled dev mode | 13:40 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: but doesn't entering dev mode mean that more stuff is going to get broken ? | 13:41 |
| jubo2 | or that I am at risk of doing something stupid unknowingly | 13:41 |
| Yaniel | if you break it | 13:41 |
| jubo2 | I've been on-and-off using Linux since '96 .. I think I could manage | 13:41 |
| Yaniel | it is a basic bash shell that you are going to get | 13:41 |
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| jubo2 | "Dev mode may nullify the guarantee." | 13:42 |
| Yaniel | it allows you to do stuff that can do that | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | that's why there is a warning | 13:43 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: and I'm not going to do anything experimental | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | yep | 13:43 |
| jubo2 | and obviously need some shells | 13:43 |
| Quu | just buy iphone.. | 13:43 |
| tango_ | where if you fsck up you have no way to recover 8-D | 13:44 |
| jubo2 | I has ssh server ? | 13:44 |
| jubo2 | that's sorta impressive | 13:44 |
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| Yaniel | hey openssh is one of the best things about this thing | 13:45 |
| jubo2 | ait.. got Fingerterm 1.0.3 | 13:45 |
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| jubo2 | rebooting phone.. | 13:49 |
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| jubo2 | Is there no other way to get the sound files back besides putting factory defaults | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | reinstall the tutorial app | 13:51 |
| Morphy | Does anyone else have this problem with their Jolla: When trying to unlock the phone, all that happens is that the screen backlight activates but the screen remains blank, and the phone has to be restarted in order to be used? | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | as you just were told | 13:51 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I did that | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | did it succeed? | 13:52 |
| Quu | Morphy: someone said to do the app-close-wipe | 13:52 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: yes | 13:52 |
| Morphy | Quu: Thanks, worked like a charm | 13:52 |
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| Yaniel | another thing to try would be to detach and reattach the other half while the phone is on | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | and unlocked | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | (attach while unlocked) | 13:52 |
| Yaniel | that should prompt you to reinstall the ambience contained on it | 13:53 |
| Yaniel | which has ringtones AFAIK | 13:53 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: removing and attaching TOH does nothing | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | once it worked | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | it asked if I want snow white ambiance and installed it | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | other then that the TOH ain't speaking to me | 13:54 |
| Raim | shouldn't you see the Snow White ambience in the store then? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | My talk from FOSDEM'14: releases.merproject.org/~carsten/SailfishFOSDEM2014_vfinal.pdf , http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png | 13:55 |
| Raim | but... hm, that won't bring back the other default ambiences | 13:55 |
| Quu | Raim: no, it wont | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/SailfishFOSDEM2014_vfinal.pdf for those wanting to be able to click :P | 13:56 |
| Quu | installing the tutorial app fixes all of it | 13:56 |
| jubo2 | I call friend to call me | 13:56 |
| jubo2 | he no answer | 13:58 |
| Quu | jubo2: please, just create new clean ambience and do the settings on it. | 13:58 |
| PeperJohnny | Stskeeps: will there be a livestream or a recording of the talks? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | PeperJohnny: there's a recording of it but it takes a few weeks to appear typically | 13:59 |
| jubo2 | I'm running a 1 minute timer to see if the sound files are back | 13:59 |
| PeperJohnny | Stskeeps: ok looking forward to it | 14:00 |
| jubo2 | timer sound is back | 14:00 |
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| jubo2 | I assume the ringtone as well | 14:00 |
| Quu | and this shit took almost 2h to fix \o/ | 14:01 |
| Quu | hurray | 14:01 |
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| jubo2 | I like that I have bash | 14:15 |
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| jubo2 | How do I access the sshd of the phone from the internet ? | 14:15 |
| Nokius | Quu: is installable and runs but looks like TODO is needed |modraba | 14:16 |
| Sidde | jubo2: use a public internet adress for the phone or port forward a port to your phone | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | settings->developer mode shows your ip | 14:17 |
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| Quu | Nokius: neat, probably will wait some time then :) | 14:17 |
| Yaniel | and allows to set a password | 14:17 |
| jubo2 | and then I do 'sudo rm -rf /' right? | 14:17 |
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| jubo2 | kiddin' kiddin' | 14:18 |
| Nokius | Quu: Yes but its working so time will bring us the next feature like navigation | 14:18 |
| Nokius | :D | 14:18 |
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| rangoy | jubo2: No, use "devel-su; rm -rf /" | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | without the ; | 14:19 |
| jubo2 | what is difference between 'su' and 'devel-su' ? | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | devel-su is the equivalent of sudo on sailfish | 14:19 |
| jubo2 | 'k gotcha | 14:20 |
| faenil | o/ | 14:20 |
| jubo2 | hiya faenil | 14:20 |
| javispad | helo | 14:21 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: thx | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | ehlo | 14:21 |
| CoderCandy | Okay, so 4g is battery intensive? | 14:22 |
| CoderCandy | How do I hacktivate it? | 14:22 |
| Yaniel | dunno about battery intensive | 14:22 |
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| Yaniel | but horribly broken I have heard | 14:22 |
| CoderCandy | I'm trying to drain as much battery as I can atw | 14:23 |
| CoderCandy | atm* | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: broken? | 14:23 |
| jubo2 | The ability to have many timers is really helpful in cooking tasks | 14:23 |
| Yaniel | well people have said that it is no good idea to enable it | 14:23 |
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| Yaniel | CoderCandy: install python ;) | 14:23 |
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| Yaniel | then run something like while True: pass | 14:23 |
| CoderCandy | eh, I could try | 14:24 |
| Yaniel | or random.randint | 14:24 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, yeah | 14:26 |
| jubo2 | The Jolla Ykspistenolla needs protective cover that doubles as a triangle shaped stand to show the phone in landscape form | 14:26 |
| CoderCandy | I'm trying to figure out if my hard-poweroff problems are due to high powerusage | 14:27 |
| kehnoo | I tried to get that 3G/4G switcher but the Install button just doesn't work | 14:28 |
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| jubo2 | is there support for bluetooth keyboards like the folds-into-your-suit-inner-pocket http://www.amazon.co.uk/VERBATIM-97872-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B006ITE9OK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391351799&sr=8-1&keywords=verbatim+foldable+keyboard | 14:38 |
| jubo2 | If I'da designed this product I'd make it so that the Bluetooth is turned on whenever the keyboard is opened | 14:39 |
| CoderCandy | well, does not look like battery usage is related to hard poweroffs | 14:40 |
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| CoderCandy | I. | 14:40 |
| CoderCandy | I'm currently testing removing android | 14:41 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: everything has been tested | 14:41 |
| Quu | even with fresh device (not updated, nothing installed) it happens | 14:41 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, have we came to any conclusions? | 14:42 |
| Quu | no. :) | 14:42 |
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| Quu | people claim to have find stuff on together.* but day later they post "oh, it happened again" | 14:43 |
| Quu | i cant write. | 14:43 |
| CoderCandy | well then, I'll just continue debugging | 14:43 |
| Quu | iirc, it only happens when screen is on and you have touched the screen after the screen turned on | 14:43 |
| CoderCandy | I mean, it can't hurt, ecen if it won't lead to anything | 14:44 |
| Quu | true true | 14:44 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I've noticed that toi | 14:44 |
| CoderCandy | too* | 14:44 |
| jubo2 | That verbatim middle-foldable bluetooth kbrd comes with US setup, not gonna work out for entering Finnish | 14:45 |
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| CoderCandy | And from what I can tell it feels like a deeply rooted software problem | 14:45 |
| jubo2 | at £76 there clearly is demand for competition in this category | 14:45 |
| CoderCandy | since removing/reinserting battery makes it work for a while | 14:46 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: yes, i think its kernel or gpu-drivers | 14:46 |
| CoderCandy | and then gradually getting worse | 14:46 |
| CoderCandy | (sometimes I can't ecen enter pin...) | 14:46 |
| CoderCandy | even* | 14:46 |
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| CoderCandy | Well, I have mu hopes up for a fix :P | 14:49 |
| CoderCandy | my | 14:49 |
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| CoderCandy | (as opposed to it being hardware error and nothing would be doable about it) | 14:50 |
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| CoderCandy | Well, I'll be looning out for more info | 15:08 |
| CoderCandy | looking* | 15:08 |
| CoderCandy | For now... I hace to live with battery hack-thing | 15:08 |
| CoderCandy | have* | 15:08 |
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| Nicd- | http://mustaheppa.sarjakuvablogit.com/2014/02/02/kaikki-muuttuu-mikaan-ei-muutu/ kinda related :) | 15:20 |
| jubo2 | I think this would be a nice phone if I got the Yandex store and email working and a really user-friendly calendar I could edit on computer and view in phone | 15:20 |
| Nicd- | translation: ennen=before, nyt=now | 15:20 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: it already has google calendar sync | 15:21 |
| Nicd- | and exchange calendar sync | 15:21 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: I don't have access to a exchange server | 15:22 |
| Nicd- | caldav is supposed to be coming at some point in the future | 15:22 |
| jubo2 | osoite.fi would be selling it for 5€ / month 1st 12 months and 10€ after taht | 15:22 |
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| newin | chem|st: my connection to account is solved: the phone date was set to 2013 instead of 2014 so the ssl handshake was failing | 16:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | newin: :) | 16:19 |
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| clau | I just hit the connection looping problem and only a reboot fixed it :( | 16:38 |
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| clau | I do hope we'll see soon a fix for the important things: at the least this connection looping and the messaging app freeze | 16:39 |
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| Quu | clau: iirc airplane mode fixes connection problems | 16:45 |
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| clau | Quu, I'll keep that in mind, thanks | 16:46 |
| clau | though, it was quite difficult working with it. the UI was lagging badly. | 16:47 |
| Quu | okay, that might be another problem then | 16:48 |
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| Jommi | Hi all. is it ok to ask questions in finnish here? | 16:51 |
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| Yaniel | you may or may not get an answer | 16:53 |
| Yaniel | english is the preferred language | 16:53 |
| Jommi | right, this is the brother in law's account, he doesnt speak english, so lets see how he gets on. | 16:54 |
| Yaniel | you can translate for him if necessary ^^ | 16:55 |
| Jommi | yep | 16:55 |
| * artemma seems to remember that swearing in Russian worked fine here | 16:55 | |
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| tango_ | I thought everybody up there north could speak english | 16:57 |
| Turski | Jommi: check #jollasuomi | 16:58 |
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| ln- | tango_: everybody except those who don't | 16:59 |
| petantik | what does a rapidly blinking green light mean on the jolla? | 16:59 |
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| ajaijjaj | petantik: it's missed call | 17:01 |
| ajaijjaj | according to http://jolla.com/guide/ | 17:01 |
| petantik | ajaijjaj: hmm, i thought it might have been that, but there were no mised calls, and my phone froze up. | 17:02 |
| tango_ | ln-: figures | 17:03 |
| ajaijjaj | petantik: looks like a bug. It could be that you missed a call, but there is no record of it, apart from the blinking | 17:03 |
| petantik | ajaijjaj: Ahh. okay. | 17:03 |
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| ajaijjaj | petantik: take a look at https://together.jolla.com/question/22783/bug-green-led-blinking-phone-yammed/ | 17:05 |
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| jubo2 | where can I look at the logs regarding the email-not-working issue | 17:12 |
| clau | journalctl | 17:12 |
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| jubo2 | I need my home box and my school box accessible | 17:13 |
| clau | what is the problems more specifically? | 17:13 |
| jubo2 | clau: it says something like "Unable to sync" | 17:13 |
| clau | problem* | 17:13 |
| jubo2 | no inbox available | 17:13 |
| clau | have you tried changing the settings? | 17:13 |
| jubo2 | I've the IMAP password correct for sure and I'da left the SMTP username and password blank but that did not let me to proceed | 17:14 |
| clau | try journalctl -a -f | 17:14 |
| jubo2 | How primitive can you be that you don't have red asterisk to indicate required fields | 17:14 |
| clau | should give you the log | 17:15 |
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| clau | not sure how much info you get though; at some point in the past I could get full IMAP exchange, but I think that went away with some update | 17:17 |
| jubo2 | clau: "Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off." | 17:17 |
| clau | devel-su first | 17:17 |
| jubo2 | how can I ctrl-KEY ? | 17:17 |
| jubo2 | I want ctrl-c, ctrl-d and whathaveyou.. | 17:17 |
| jubo2 | ctrl-z | 17:18 |
| Pnuu | try: ctrl + key | 17:18 |
| Pnuu | :-P | 17:18 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: right.. my bad again | 17:18 |
| jubo2 | did not try if the ctrl is sticky | 17:18 |
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| jubo2 | You guys need professional help | 17:19 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps: you around? | 17:19 |
| jubo2 | that's why I'ma apply to work for DNA | 17:19 |
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| jubo2 | Chathelp is so superior to phone help that one can paste URLs | 17:19 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: see sms | 17:20 |
| jubo2 | So I apply with open letter to any position and perhaps as DNA webshop customer shopper service as my proposition for entry level title | 17:20 |
| jubo2 | How much hardship one is supposed to experience for rooting for the FLOSS underdog ? | 17:22 |
| jubo2 | But there are some awesome features in the phone | 17:23 |
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| Eztran | Preferably no hardship, but it'll take time to get there, and we won't if nobody rooted for 'em in the first place. | 17:23 |
| jubo2 | #1 the cursor focusing in the zoomed view to make placing cursor easier | 17:23 |
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| jubo2 | #2 sshd is also coolness in föyns | 17:24 |
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| jubo2 | Eztran: I've been with the same operator ( DNA ) for 13 yrs this April | 17:25 |
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| Eztran | Don't see operator loyalty much these days :) | 17:26 |
| jubo2 | Eztran: I've never been turned down when I've phoned their customer service to ask for discounts based on customer loyalty and lost free minutes and sms'es that I'da gotten if I was operator hopping all the time | 17:26 |
| Eztran | Can't argue with that. | 17:27 |
| jubo2 | One awesom 12:08 phone call to operator got me 12 x 20 discount | 17:27 |
| jubo2 | now that's what I call earnings if you get 240€ for a 12:08 phone call | 17:27 |
| jubo2 | I was like: "Pricing base is aged. Gib discount:" | 17:28 |
| jubo2 | they were like "I'll see what I can do..." | 17:28 |
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| jubo2 | then he sez I can get -50% on my sms, calls über-program | 17:29 |
| jubo2 | Now I've upgraded to unlimited sms + minutes account | 17:29 |
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| jubo2 | what kind of daemons I can start on my phone ? | 17:30 |
| jubo2 | sshd is quite the coolness in early 2014 | 17:30 |
| Yaniel | whatever you have installed | 17:30 |
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| jubo2 | anonymized location based walking servers would be pretty awesome | 17:31 |
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| jubo2 | "Find notes in the neighbourhood." in the glow menu | 17:31 |
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| jubo2 | anyone could stick a note to any geographical object | 17:32 |
| Yaniel | yay for digital vandalism | 17:32 |
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| jubo2 | then one could explore them like: "Find notes with #goodrestaurant" in the neighborhood" | 17:32 |
| jubo2 | they have time and location data | 17:33 |
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| * jubo2 gets the leipäjuusto and farine sugar out, drool's at mikkoh's machine | 17:36 | |
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| jubo2 | Jolla Oy.. | 17:40 |
| jubo2 | Start making those foldable bluetooth keyboards | 17:40 |
| jubo2 | a normal standart 270mm AAPL keyboard ( or with the genius idea of Sam sung to move the <> keys to the right side of space bar to have it map with our wetware firmware properly | 17:41 |
| jubo2 | that fit's in a suits's pocket | 17:41 |
| jubo2 | You have manufacturing capacity available in China | 17:42 |
| jubo2 | If an English set up foldable bluetooth keyboard costs £76 that reads there is money to be made in these | 17:43 |
| jubo2 | Verbatim seems to be one of the few available foldable keyboard | 17:43 |
| jubo2 | that and the 3-joint front cover that also works as triangle that keeps your device at an angle in the other position and you've got a killer minimalist on-the-road computational solution | 17:46 |
| jubo2 | can you see it? | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | I can see stuff a kid could see | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | there is not demand for this in the working market | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | are you going to get into phone protective and functional padding solutions or are you going to let Golla et al take care of that market? | 17:49 |
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| Abby24 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 17:49 |
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| sejo | 1/6 | 17:53 |
| Quu | Aard ^ | 17:53 |
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| gabriel9 | why cant i see jolla in my linux? | 17:57 |
| gabriel9 | how to mount it? | 17:57 |
| ggabriel | gabriel9: it uses mtp, so you need something that talks that protocol | 17:58 |
| gabriel9 | like android? | 17:59 |
| ggabriel | yup | 17:59 |
| ggabriel | (i think, i don't have android) | 17:59 |
| Eztran | Yeah, Android devices often do these days. | 17:59 |
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| gabriel9 | strange | 17:59 |
| Yaniel | I prefer sshfs ^^ | 18:00 |
| gabriel9 | i can see nexus 7 | 18:00 |
| gabriel9 | but jolla not | 18:00 |
| Eztran | Could try simple-mtpfs or similar. | 18:00 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 18:00 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, it works on mine | 18:00 |
| Eztran | Yaniel: just started using sshfs for my N9 last night, wondering why I ever went for another solution :) | 18:01 |
| ggabriel | btw, is there a link to the recording of Stskeeps's talk yet? | 18:01 |
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| gabriel9 | i only saw some presentation from that mer dude | 18:01 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: I guess they'll put that in place tomorrow | 18:01 |
| ggabriel | ta | 18:01 |
| Tofe | but it was recorded, for sure | 18:01 |
| gabriel9 | it says sync and connect in use | 18:02 |
| gabriel9 | hm | 18:02 |
| Quu | ggabriel: he said it might take ~week | 18:03 |
| ggabriel | Quu: understandable, it took me 3 weeks to edit my holidays video :P | 18:03 |
| ggabriel | just give me the raw option :D | 18:03 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: it would take a week to download it anyway ;) | 18:04 |
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| ggabriel | Tofe: i've got decent internet, i don't have enough storage for what i can potentially download in a week ;-) | 18:08 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, looking forward to it | 18:09 |
| Tofe | lucky you | 18:09 |
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| gabriel9 | anyone uses | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | KDE MTP KIO Slave | 18:33 |
| gabriel9 | for mtp | 18:33 |
| Tofe | gabriel9: for info, I've used my Jolla (latest update) with my gnome without problem today to retrieve some photos | 18:36 |
| mornfall | hm, the mail check bug is not fixed btw. | 18:37 |
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| gabriel9 | in the end i just used ssh | 18:43 |
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| Jommi | how does one turn on the landscape orientation for browser`? Just updated and it doesnt seem to happen? | 18:50 |
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| clau | it should be working, nothing extra should be needed | 18:52 |
| Jommi | hrm, weird, just needed a restart | 18:53 |
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| Sail0r | are there any numbers how much jolla was sold ? | 19:06 |
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| clau | don't think so. and for some reasons I have yet to understand, this kind of information is secret. it's like companies are afraid not to jinx it. | 19:14 |
| Eztran | That could well be the reason. | 19:14 |
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| clau | I think maybe all MBA's are taught this in school, out of inertia. And the original reason is that it's safer to keep as much financial information secret, just in case you want to do some tax evasion. ;) | 19:16 |
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| Eztran | I was being somewhat sarcastic originally, but inertia might not be far from the truth. That and this sort of thing can be tied up in contracts with other companies. | 19:20 |
| Quu | iirc there was news article about them hoping to sell total of 20k units before year ends | 19:22 |
| clau | tied up, as in they are forced to keep some information from the public? | 19:22 |
| Eztran | Pretty much, yeah. Might not be the case with the sales numbers, but it has been for other figures they haven't revealed. | 19:23 |
| Eztran | And even when you are allowed to disclose stuff, it might not be 'good business' to do so, so we're back around to inertia. | 19:24 |
| tango_ | hm I think I read somewhere that they were in the order of the hundred of thousands, but wish I remember where I read about it | 19:30 |
| tango_ | anyway | 19:30 |
| tango_ | is the arrow to hide the keyboard a new thing in 1.0.3.8? Don't remember it from before | 19:30 |
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| Quu | well, there were about 13k clock/android support installs 2 weeks ago | 19:30 |
| Quu | that doesnt say much, but. | 19:30 |
| Eztran | It's a guideline as to magnitude, at least. | 19:31 |
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| Quu | indeed. | 19:31 |
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| gabriel9 | if there is some Serbs here i created Serbian Cyrillic keyobard. :) | 19:44 |
| gabriel9 | https://bitbucket.org/gabriel9/sailfish-serbian-keyboard | 19:44 |
| sejo | does anyone know if jroivas is on twitter? | 19:45 |
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| clau | tango_, what arrow? | 20:04 |
| tango_ | clau: oh apparently it's a clock thing | 20:05 |
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| tango_ | if you are setting the name of an alarm, there's a down arrow instead of the enter key to close the keyboard | 20:06 |
| clau | yes, I see what you mean | 20:06 |
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| clau | though, having a button just for hiding the vkb wouldn't fit very well with the UI philosphy | 20:07 |
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| Eztran | Mmm... what happened to Harmattan's 'swipe keyboard down to close'? Conflicts with pulley menu or something, maybe? | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought you could do this | 20:19 |
| tango_ | clau: how so? | 20:19 |
| clau | you can, of course. | 20:19 |
| Sage | Eztran: works for me at least | 20:19 |
| clau | drag it down from somewhere around the 't' key | 20:19 |
| Turski | Eztran: nothing? works fine | 20:20 |
| clau | in fact, it works from anywhere. | 20:20 |
| Eztran | OK, cheers. Just an arrow there to avoid confusion, I guess? | 20:20 |
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| Tegu | not from the suggestion bar for example | 20:20 |
| FireFly | I don't see any arrow | 20:21 |
| clau | there isn't | 20:21 |
| clau | tango_, Saillfish OS is about gestures. | 20:23 |
| tango_ | clau: yeah but a kb is a kb | 20:23 |
| Eztran | FireFly: when setting alarms, see scrollback. I was confused as it seemed like duplicating the effect of a swipe down. | 20:23 |
| Turski | tango_: button just to hide kb would be waste of space | 20:23 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i always tried to do that from the suggestion bar or whatever it is | 20:23 |
| tango_ | Turski: but not having a way to hide it is extremely annoying | 20:24 |
| clau | but you have a way. | 20:24 |
| clau | in fact, two: | 20:24 |
| clau | 1) you drag it down | 20:24 |
| Turski | tango_: you have a way | 20:25 |
| clau | 2) you touch something outside of the keyboard, in most apps | 20:25 |
| tango_ | wait you can drag the kb down? | 20:25 |
| Turski | tango_: i don't see any problem | 20:25 |
| clau | say, in browser you tap on the page, and the kb goes away | 20:25 |
| FireFly | Yes | 20:25 |
| Turski | tango_: that's what we've been talking about here | 20:25 |
| tango_ | since when? | 20:25 |
| Eztran | Since... Harmattan, actually. | 20:25 |
| FireFly | 1.0.0.5 I think | 20:25 |
| FireFly | at least | 20:25 |
| clau | yes, this works on N9 too. | 20:26 |
| clau | though, I must confess, I liked more the looks of N9 vkb, with separated buttons. | 20:26 |
| tango_ | hm it doesn't work for me? | 20:26 |
| Turski | sure it does | 20:26 |
| clau | also, I must say that the vibra was crisper on N9, and it gave a better feedback on keypresses. | 20:27 |
| gabriel9 | it works here also | 20:27 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | start it from the top row of the keyboard | 20:27 |
| tango_ | oh wait | 20:27 |
| gabriel9 | just swipe from t | 20:27 |
| tango_ | I managed | 20:27 |
| clau | \o/ | 20:27 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 20:27 |
| tango_ | I was dragging from the clipboard/suggest thingie | 20:27 |
| Tegu | I guess everybody tries to naturally drag it from the suggestion bar or the empty space and not from the keys | 20:27 |
| tango_ | and it doesn't work that way | 20:27 |
| tango_ | yeah | 20:27 |
| tango_ | you have to grag from the actual keys | 20:27 |
| Eztran | That or doesn't notice the gesture at all. | 20:27 |
| Tegu | it would be useful if it worked from the bar too | 20:27 |
| tango_ | true | 20:28 |
| FireFly | I agree | 20:28 |
| clau | the first suggestion on the suggestion bar should be "don't drag me, it won't do what you think it does" | 20:28 |
| Eztran | Heh. | 20:28 |
| tango_ | but mostly I would say nobody notices it | 20:28 |
| tango_ | clau: lol | 20:28 |
| Eztran | It's a bit of a hidden gesture, certainly. Is it in the Guide? | 20:28 |
| kehnoo | all this talk about bars makes me thirsty | 20:28 |
| Tegu | "but drag me sideways" | 20:28 |
| tango_ | sideways? | 20:28 |
| FireFly | For more suggestions | 20:28 |
| tango_ | Eztran: it's not | 20:28 |
| clau | hahahah | 20:28 |
| clau | tango_, just like on N9, you may get more suggestions than can fit in the bar, so you can scroll it sideways | 20:29 |
| Eztran | It's a Treasure in the IM section... 'To send the keyboard away, just pull down on the keys.' | 20:29 |
| clau | I will have to re-read the guide, just in case I missed something important. | 20:29 |
| Eztran | SMS/IM, that is. Good ol' combined messages. | 20:29 |
| tango_ | a treasutre? | 20:30 |
| clau | Eztran, I wish I could filter them somehow. | 20:30 |
| clau | tango_, have a look at the guide :) | 20:30 |
| FireFly | Yeah, I was fairly sure I'd seen it in the guide.. | 20:30 |
| clau | things will become more clear | 20:30 |
| tango_ | pretty sure I did at the time | 20:30 |
| tango_ | if by guide you mean the tutorial | 20:30 |
| Eztran | Mmm. In Harmattan (I've gotta stop referencing that), tapping the top bar lets you sort by message type. Hopefully, that functionality'll land in the Jolla too. | 20:30 |
| clau | Eztran, like on harmattan. | 20:30 |
| FireFly | No, http://jolla.com/guide/ | 20:30 |
| clau | Eztran, exactly. | 20:31 |
| Eztran | Shouldn't be too hard to add, I guess. | 20:31 |
| clau | there are tons of little things that would greately improve the overall exeprience. | 20:31 |
| Eztran | Actually, is that on TJC? Probably is, but if not it should be. | 20:31 |
| tango_ | I thought sailfish was more squarely based on harmattan/meego | 20:32 |
| clau | I am starting to lose my faith in tjc. It's impossible to browser it anymore. | 20:32 |
| FireFly | Speaking of which, I wonder if allow-keyboard-close-from-suggestion-bar is on TJC | 20:32 |
| tango_ | apparently it was less than I thought | 20:32 |
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| Tegu | sounds like harmattan is actually better | 20:32 |
| Tegu | (haven't used it) | 20:32 |
| clau | and whatever I search for, I'll find N closed duplicates on it. | 20:32 |
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| FireFly | Well it was more mature, wasn't it? | 20:32 |
| Eztran | It's pretty closely based on MeeGo, but that doesn't really mean Harmattan | 20:32 |
| attah | Stskeeps: I have a hard time deciding.. wiki post or not? :S | 20:32 |
| tango_ | from the videos I've seen of the N9 it definitely has some points over SOS | 20:32 |
| Eztran | FireFly: Yeah, exactly. It'd had time to get those features in, Sailfish hasn't. | 20:33 |
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| tango_ | Eztran: well if it was based off it it would | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | attah: up to you | 20:33 |
| tango_ | (why isn't it?) | 20:33 |
| Eztran | Harmattan had some closed-source bits in it that they didn't get IIRC, for one. | 20:33 |
| clau | yes, Harmattan was more mature. | 20:34 |
| clau | There are features on Harmattan that are still missing on Sailfish. | 20:34 |
| Eztran | It was never given a chance... but hey, that's why Sailfish should be given one. | 20:34 |
| attah | stskeeps: that's the problem.. i have a hard time assessing the benefits and/or drawbacks... I guess i'll go no-wiki to begin with.. and people can whine in the comments | 20:34 |
| clau | But I'm sure it's just a matter of time until Sailfish gets to the same level. | 20:34 |
| Eztran | No doubt they have the expertise to get it there. | 20:35 |
| clau | though, I hope the speed will increase :) | 20:35 |
| clau | I don't mean to offend, it's clear the devels are working at full capacity. | 20:36 |
| kelvan | black screen and fast red blinking is a kernel panic? | 20:36 |
| kelvan | just got one this evening while connecting to a wifi | 20:37 |
| Tegu | hm, are there any patents giving trouble btw? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | no, kernel panic would be a total death / reboot | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: so not like any normal pc? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: correct | 20:38 |
| kelvan | so it's just a complete f*ckup error? :) | 20:38 |
| clau | hey Stskeeps, do you ever sleep? :D | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's obviously morsing you "help, i'm stuck in a jolla phone" | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:38 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | sleep at work | 20:39 |
| Eztran | Work in sleep. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: if there's no item already at together.jolla.com, file one please | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | tag 'bug' | 20:39 |
| kelvan | maby it's something android specific, a friends android phone also did some strange red blinking | 20:39 |
| clau | kelvan, I take it you cannot bring the screen on anymore? | 20:40 |
| kelvan | clau: had to remove battery | 20:40 |
| clau | I see | 20:40 |
| kelvan | never happened before | 20:41 |
| kelvan | but just installed the upgrade yesterday | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: a hard shutdown with holding down power button next time | 20:41 |
| kelvan | twice ... | 20:41 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: tried it for about 10 seconds then my finger hurt | 20:41 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/23197/umts-and-other-connetion-optimizations/ | 20:42 |
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| attah | too geeky? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | attah: looks good | 20:42 |
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| Eztran | Like the warning at the top :) | 20:42 |
| attah | :) | 20:42 |
| kelvan | after reboot connection worked, but i'm not sure if I typed guiness or guinness as password (7 chars should be to short as pw if i'm correct) | 20:42 |
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| clau | I suggest you change the password now :D | 20:43 |
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| FireFly | I added the keyboard-swipedown-from-suggestions-bar thing to Together FWIW | 20:43 |
| clau | any news on Swype kb? | 20:44 |
| clau | on N9 I used it almost all the time. | 20:45 |
| kelvan | clau: it's the password of the o'reilys pub in brussels ;) | 20:45 |
| clau | it's much easier to use with just one hand | 20:45 |
| kelvan | if anybody still in brussels and wants to reproduce, they have good burgers ;) | 20:46 |
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| Eztran | Swype being a commercial product... | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | swype is Nuance's isn't it? | 20:48 |
| clau | http://www.swype.com/ | 20:48 |
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| Eztran | Internet says yes. | 20:49 |
| FireFly | Do they have a patent for the technique (slide between letters to type)? | 20:49 |
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| clau | I would bet they have. | 20:49 |
| FireFly | :( | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, we already use nuance XT9 | 20:50 |
| clau | but that's not the point, you don't want to implement it from scratch. you want to convince them to port it. | 20:50 |
| clau | (was answering to FireFly) | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | or pay, tbh | 20:50 |
| FireFly | Fair enough | 20:50 |
| clau | Stskeeps, this http://www.nuance.com/for-business/by-product/xt9/index.htm ? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:50 |
| Eztran | Some Android companies use their own implementations of similar keyboards... quite possible they're paying license fees, though, I guess. | 20:51 |
| clau | what about this? --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhZKNZO8mQ | 20:53 |
| clau | Gmail Tap :D | 20:53 |
| clau | Stskeeps, btw... is there a way to clean the prediction cache without breaking anything? | 20:54 |
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| clau | I somehow managed to get into predictions some words with typos, and they keep on popping up. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | clau: mm, i don't know | 20:55 |
| clau | I'll have a look on tjc | 20:56 |
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| clau | I'm calling it a day. Good night everyone. | 20:59 |
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| pdanek | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=981619f171a0f346503dfe270ff72555&t=91142&page=174 --> post: "i wonder whether the neo900 will beat the north-american-jolla." --> I didn't get it with north-american, am I missing something? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | err.. what north american jolla | 21:14 |
| Eztran | I'd guess they're just referring to the Jolla's sales in NA in an odd way. | 21:14 |
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| Quu | probably the version with proper bands | 21:14 |
| Quu | something not n-sync | 21:15 |
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| pdanek | ah I got it | 21:16 |
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| slate | neo900 board was estimated to 700-900 EUR? or USD? | 21:22 |
| attah | ^madness | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, sometimes good to support open hardware | 21:23 |
| slate | cant afford with those amounts, not even if I wanted to. :) | 21:24 |
| attah | true.. and maybe i'm mistaken.. i think it's just the mobo.. but maybe it was more stuff? | 21:24 |
| slate | I think only the mobo. | 21:24 |
| slate | Lets read again | 21:25 |
| FireFly | Seems like a reasonable-ish price to me, considering the low amount of sales | 21:25 |
| slate | "According to current estimations, the cost of motherboard should be somewhere between 500 and 700 EUR. Complete device will cost 100-150 EUR more, depending on prices and availability of N900 spare parts" | 21:25 |
| slate | I got some n900's so no prob. | 21:25 |
| kehnoo | it still has regular n900 screen? | 21:26 |
| slate | N900 spares will cost a shitload. | 21:26 |
| slate | kehnoo: yes. | 21:26 |
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| attah | Cool and admirable.. but not for me... | 21:27 |
| slate | Overclocked N900 will be enough for me | 21:28 |
| slate | For my use, faster cpu, faster gpu, more ram and LTE wont be worth the money. But I do know some hardcore N900 users who defo will buy it. | 21:30 |
| attah | but what makes it so much better than a jolla with HW-keyboard? (except being more open) | 21:31 |
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| slate | Nothing, if the hw-keyboards will be factory-quality | 21:32 |
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| slate | For example, flex-cables without decent testing makes me a bit sketchy. | 21:33 |
| slate | Seen too many broken flexes even with testing | 21:33 |
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| Abby29 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:03 |
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| Eztran | The sad bit is, the link suggests they're treating this as a legitimate marketing campaign. | 22:05 |
| attah | And they will think it is woking if people click on it... | 22:06 |
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| Eztran | Haven't yet. Plenty have, though. | 22:07 |
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| Quu | Aard: that porn-spam-bot came here again. 2 times in last 6 hours. | 22:07 |
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| pdanek | Quu: Maybe it was trolling Stskeeps. | 22:08 |
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| Quu | anything is possible, but i doubt it | 22:09 |
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| slate | Hmm, offering 1.0.3.8 after boot. Same thing continues? | 22:34 |
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| tmynttin | yep, same here | 22:39 |
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| cvp | hi | 22:45 |
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| * artemma got his Jolla-related blogging started eventually. First post - a proposal for improving the closing gesture detection for not so large hands.. as mine - http://www.codingsubmarine.com/jolla-closing-gesture-how-to-make-it-better/ | 23:35 | |
| artemma | Or just vote for a shorter version right at together - https://together.jolla.com/question/23287/let-the-app-closing-gesture-start-from-the-top-of-the-side-edges-and-let-it-be-not-precisely-vertical-too/ | 23:36 |
| ln- | codingsubmarine... nice | 23:42 |
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| Dima^_ | artemma: good point | 23:56 |
| artemma | Dima^_: go vote and let the others know :) | 23:56 |
| artemma | with Together portal, I guess a wave of votes, comments and tweets is the best way for getting this or that feature implemented | 23:57 |
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| Dima^_ | voted | 23:58 |
| artemma | Cool! Thanks, Dima^_ | 23:59 |
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