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| newin | hey guys, i got some probleims with my jolla =/ | 00:05 |
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| newin | if someone can help me... =3 | 00:08 |
| Eztran | What sort of problems, exactly? | 00:09 |
| slate | Better to just ask and see. | 00:09 |
| newin | i cannot connect to my jolla account | 00:13 |
| newin | it works on website and i have internet (i've tested it with web browser) | 00:14 |
| newin | and if I try to create one it can't check username aviability... | 00:15 |
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| newin | my jolla it totally new (less than 10 hours) | 00:18 |
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| slate | latest fw? | 00:22 |
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| newin | no, i didn't update my phone already | 00:25 |
| Yaniel | 1.0.0.5 I guess | 00:25 |
| newin | (i never could connect to the store...) | 00:26 |
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| newin | yep 1.0.0.5 | 00:26 |
| chem|st | newin: you can loggin on a normal computer? | 00:27 |
| newin | (1.0.0.5 Kaajanlampi say the "about product" section...) | 00:27 |
| chem|st | newin: the account you need to enter is teh same as everywhere with jolla, all the same | 00:27 |
| newin | yes i can connect from the website from my computer | 00:28 |
| Yaniel | hmm I have a phantom calendar here O.o | 00:28 |
| chem|st | account.jolla.com | 00:28 |
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| chem|st | newin: what happens when you create an account on your Jolla? (Settings -> Accounts -> PulleyMenu- > Add account) | 00:29 |
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| Turski | newin: do you actually have internet connection on your jolla? | 00:29 |
| Turski | web sites open and so on? | 00:29 |
| chem|st | Turski: oh yeah good question^^ | 00:30 |
| Eztran | <newin> it works on website and i have internet (i've tested it with web browser) | 00:30 |
| Eztran | Scrollback first, people :) | 00:30 |
| Turski | Eztran: my eye didn't pick that one... | 00:30 |
| chem|st | Eztran: I have I bluntly overread | 00:30 |
| chem|st | newin: when you add a Jolla account it is the same credentials as on account.jolla.com | 00:31 |
| newin | when a tried to add jolla accont (by Settings -> Accounts -> PulleyMenu- > Add account) it always say "Oops, problem with account creation" | 00:32 |
| Yaniel | make sure you are connected to the internet and try again? | 00:33 |
| chem|st | Azog: you are new to this world? Unified Messaging is one of my favourite features ever since N900! | 00:33 |
| chem|st | newin: if you have both connections active (MobileData + WLAN) it might not work | 00:34 |
| chem|st | I was not able to create any accounts after using the HEREmaps as that activated the mobile connection and I was unable to create eg facebook account | 00:35 |
| newin | chem|st: ok i will try to turn off MobileData | 00:35 |
| chem|st | yes have wifi only | 00:35 |
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| Elleo | newin: iirc a lot of people got around that by just doing a phone reset from the settings page, after which it'll let you setup the account correctly on start up | 00:39 |
| lpotter | there is only one active connection at a time. those switches enable autoconnecting | 00:40 |
| Elleo | I seem to remember there being a bug in the initial firmware to do with authentication tokens for the store/jolla accounts timing out and not being refreshed | 00:40 |
| chem|st | lpotter: I reported the bug... tell me more! | 00:41 |
| lpotter | reported what bug? | 00:42 |
| chem|st | not being able to create an account until deactivating the mdata toggle | 00:47 |
| newin | web/prepaid -> disabled, data roaming-> do not allow, internet works but it still does not work... =/ | 00:47 |
| chem|st | it was stuck somewhere in between | 00:47 |
| chem|st | newin: the factory reset and try again | 00:47 |
| chem|st | in that early stage not a big deal, it is pretty fast | 00:47 |
| newin | hum | 00:48 |
| newin | okay... | 00:48 |
| newin | so | 00:48 |
| chem|st | as you got nothing installed anyway^^ | 00:48 |
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| chem|st | settings -> system -> reset device | 00:49 |
| newin | i will try a simple reboot first (if i have luck...) | 00:50 |
| chem|st | yeah | 00:50 |
| chem|st | but resetting takes probably only a few seconds more than rebooting^^ | 00:50 |
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| chem|st | newin: anyway, welcome and don't hesitate to ask questions - but please watch the jolla youtube channel so you hae a clue about basics - I gtg bb | 00:53 |
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| newin | i follow sailfish OS from its first annoncement | 00:55 |
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| newin | i've just tried during installation and same probleim... | 01:02 |
| chem|st | newin: go to your jolla account page and remove the oauth tokens | 01:04 |
| newin | i've notice a strange thing: when i try to create an account from the phone it say "probleim with checking username aviability, please try again later" | 01:06 |
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| newin | to remove oauth tokens it's from https://account.jolla.com/oauth/oauth2/clients right ? | 01:15 |
| newin | because this page is empty... | 01:15 |
| Yaniel | has anyone else suddenly duplicated exchange calendars? | 01:16 |
| Yaniel | I have two exchange calendars, but the phone shows three | 01:17 |
| Yaniel | the third having the same name as one of the real ones but no appointments | 01:18 |
| Yaniel | and creating an appointment in it does not sync it "upstream" | 01:18 |
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| Yaniel | on another note, yay for event locations \o/ | 01:21 |
| newin | it does not works with reset and 3G instead of wifi | 01:23 |
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| eriolloan | Hi, who can help with a brand new bricked jolla ? | 01:24 |
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| Yaniel | eriolloan: bricked? | 01:27 |
| slate | dead on arrival? | 01:27 |
| eriolloan | guess so… | 01:27 |
| eriolloan | nope | 01:27 |
| eriolloan | installed a few native apps | 01:27 |
| eriolloan | then started a sys update | 01:27 |
| Yaniel | factory reset | 01:27 |
| eriolloan | and now :( | 01:27 |
| slate | then ran out of battery? | 01:28 |
| slate | :) | 01:28 |
| eriolloan | nope :D | 01:28 |
| eriolloan | tried telnet with no luck | 01:28 |
| Yaniel | do not install anything, do the sys update and *then* you can install whatever you want | 01:28 |
| Yaniel | ssh is available if you have developer mode enabled | 01:28 |
| eriolloan | I learned that after… jolla's not idiot proof obviously | 01:28 |
| Yaniel | which you probably don't | 01:28 |
| Yaniel | it is in beta, I would not expect to be even semi-idiot proof | 01:29 |
| eriolloan | I didn't set up ssh, I thought it could cause some problems so early... | 01:29 |
| eriolloan | was wrong obviously | 01:29 |
| chem|st | newin: no further ideas... | 01:29 |
| eriolloan | HAHA right | 01:29 |
| Yaniel | eriolloan: do a factory reset | 01:29 |
| eriolloan | can you detail the steps for the factory reset ? | 01:30 |
| eriolloan | I'm stuck on the boot logo just sitting there… | 01:30 |
| newin | chem|st: and do you know where i can find an answer ? | 01:31 |
| chem|st | newin: nope | 01:31 |
| chem|st | try reset again and do nothing but enter wifi credentials | 01:31 |
| Yaniel | eriolloan: it won't boot? | 01:31 |
| eriolloan | yaniel : if I hold the vol down button I get a "Error : Invalid boot Image header" | 01:31 |
| chem|st | eriolloan: on together one sec | 01:31 |
| slate | 1.0.0.5 did not have recovery yet afaik | 01:32 |
| Yaniel | facctory rest is settings -> system -> scroll all the way down | 01:32 |
| chem|st | slate: oh that new... | 01:32 |
| eriolloan | I thought :( | 01:32 |
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| eriolloan | yup THAT new | 01:32 |
| Yaniel | I think it did... | 01:32 |
| slate | need to check | 01:32 |
| Yaniel | anyway that does not help if it does not boot :P | 01:32 |
| eriolloan | not much indeed | 01:33 |
| Yaniel | and "Invalid boot image header" sounds quite bad | 01:33 |
| Yaniel | where are you located? | 01:33 |
| eriolloan | it add "could not do a normal boot, reverting to fastboot mode" | 01:33 |
| eriolloan | France | 01:33 |
| eriolloan | so no jolla care, it arrived today after 3 ENDLESS weeks… | 01:33 |
| eriolloan | :( | 01:34 |
| Yaniel | :( | 01:34 |
| eriolloan | I'm not eager to send it back right now | 01:34 |
| chem|st | eriolloan: wait for techstaff being awake again or care-at-jolla-dot-com on monday.... | 01:34 |
| chem|st | newin: I reset my device like 5 times till everything was working like expected... | 01:35 |
| eriolloan | chem|st : thx for the advice… I'll get some sleep | 01:35 |
| tehdely | naamankajärvi today was an unexpected gift | 01:36 |
| tehdely | now can someone tell me what that word means? :) | 01:36 |
| eriolloan | 'night to you all, thanks ! | 01:36 |
| chem|st | tehdely: it is a lake | 01:36 |
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| slate | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 | 01:36 |
| tehdely | nice to finally have bidirectional exchange sync | 01:36 |
| slate | by the time of 1.0.0.5 | 01:36 |
| tehdely | also bootloader is now unlocked again, correct? | 01:37 |
| tehdely | i havne't tried to tinker w/ the device but i know that was osmething upsetting ppl with the last release | 01:37 |
| mornfall | hmm, is the tohd battery drain actually fixed? I'm leaking battery like a sieve. | 01:39 |
| Aard | tehdely: it's not unlocked, but unlockable (one option in rescue mode) | 01:40 |
| slate | mornfall: so did I. | 01:40 |
| tehdely | Aard: gotcha. just got to that part of the thread | 01:40 |
| tehdely | mornfall: battery fine here so far. first thing i did after update was unmask tohd and start it back up | 01:40 |
| zbenjamin | who needs exchange sync ? ;) | 01:40 |
| tehdely | to make sure it's fixed | 01:40 |
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| tehdely | and battery hasn't been dropping any more than normal | 01:40 |
| tehdely | zbenjamin: EAS is the closest thing to a 'standard' sync protocol | 01:41 |
| mornfall | hmm, I lost ~40% basically doing nothing on the phone | 01:41 |
| tehdely | a lot more than just MS Exchange speaks EAS | 01:41 |
| mornfall | since the update | 01:41 |
| slate | 100% now and unplugging. Lets see in the morning. | 01:41 |
| tehdely | i'm connecting to zimbra, actually | 01:41 |
| tehdely | jolla thinks it is exchange, which is fine by me... i just need to sync mail+contacts+calendars | 01:41 |
| tehdely | and i don't trust google with that info | 01:41 |
| zbenjamin | tehdely: i would prefer caldav + carddav sync | 01:41 |
| tehdely | oh i would, too. they're not patent-encumbered | 01:42 |
| tehdely | but reality is there's a lot more things that offer an EAS than a DAV interface | 01:42 |
| tehdely | zimbra offers both, actually. so when sailfish does suppor *dav, i'll just switch to using those for sync | 01:42 |
| mornfall | slate: but hungermeter doesn't show any observable difference between tohd and non-tohd | 01:42 |
| zbenjamin | i would love to sync to owncloud | 01:42 |
| chem|st | Aard: any idea for newin? | 01:43 |
| mornfall | also the numbers seem to be fairly reasonable | 01:43 |
| slate | mornfall: noted that also.. | 01:43 |
| slate | Will see. | 01:43 |
| chem|st | zbenjamin: rsync... | 01:44 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: wut? | 01:44 |
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| chem|st | one-way you may export from jolla rsync to you owncloud and imprt it there... | 01:45 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: yeah one way meh :/ | 01:46 |
| Aard | chem|st: ? | 01:46 |
| zbenjamin | tehdely: does zimbra include a mail server btw? or does it just connect to onw | 01:46 |
| chem|st | Aard: newin is stuck with not being able to login or add a jolla account | 01:46 |
| zbenjamin | one | 01:46 |
| chem|st | Aard: factory reset did not help | 01:46 |
| chem|st | oauth page on jolla.com is empty | 01:47 |
| chem|st | tehdely: I lost 13% since the update a few hours ago but so to speak I had the impression something is draining the power again before I upgraded | 01:48 |
| Aard | chem|st: he already has a jolla account, or needs to create a new one? | 01:48 |
| newin | already had | 01:48 |
| chem|st | he cannot add an account on his Jolla he is on 1.0.0.5 | 01:48 |
| Aard | newin: it works if you log in on the website? | 01:48 |
| chem|st | ah there he is | 01:49 |
| newin | Aard: yes | 01:49 |
| tehdely | zbenjamin: zimbra is a full stack exchange replacement | 01:49 |
| Aard | newin: what happens on the device? | 01:49 |
| tehdely | it does mail/contacts/calendaring/storage/etc. | 01:49 |
| tehdely | so yes, it sort of _is_ a mail server, with tons more bolted on | 01:49 |
| chem|st | tehdely: does not sound lightweight | 01:50 |
| zbenjamin | tehdely: so i don't need postfix running | 01:50 |
| tehdely | it's not. i don't run it myself | 01:50 |
| tehdely | i pay for an account with a hosted zimbra service | 01:50 |
| tehdely | but it lets me have a "cloud" that i trust | 01:50 |
| tehdely | my general rule is if I don't have to pay for it, I am the product... | 01:50 |
| tehdely | and I don't like being the product | 01:50 |
| newin | Aard: if i try to sign in i get "Oops, problem with account creation" | 01:51 |
| Aard | newin: same if you skip it, and try to create the account later from settings? | 01:51 |
| tehdely | so the qwerty other half... does it use the i2c bus for keypresses | 01:51 |
| newin | Aard: yes | 01:52 |
| tehdely | or is it just a bluetooth kb that happens to attach to the phone | 01:52 |
| chem|st | tehdely: i2c iirc | 01:52 |
| tehdely | nice! | 01:52 |
| zbenjamin | qwerty other half? | 01:53 |
| chem|st | the bt idea was and is bad | 01:53 |
| newin | (I also tried to create a new one from the phone but it say "problem with checking username availability") | 01:53 |
| chem|st | you guys should read more talk.maemo.org... | 01:53 |
| Aard | newin: connectivity is working? (i.e., you can open pages in webbrowser)? | 01:53 |
| chem|st | there is a OLED toh ready to order.... | 01:53 |
| newin | yep | 01:53 |
| Aard | newin: and you're 100% sure that you're typing both username and password correctly (special characters, ...)? | 01:54 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: do you have some links too? ;) | 01:54 |
| chem|st | talk.maemo.org | 01:54 |
| zbenjamin | ah yeah the thing that shows a clock | 01:55 |
| chem|st | the place is crowded with toh stuff | 01:55 |
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| newin | Aard: i've tried hundreds and hundreds of times | 01:55 |
| chem|st | I am waiting for the eink toh | 01:55 |
| newin | and there is no spetials characters (only ASCII character in fact...) | 01:56 |
| Aard | newin: I've seen people enter the wrong password hundreds of times ;) | 01:56 |
| chem|st | +1 | 01:56 |
| Aard | newin: can you go to https://account.jolla.com/, log in, and change your password to something simple, and retry? | 01:57 |
| Sailor4266 | if i want both qwerty and eink toh, then what? is it possible at alk? | 01:57 |
| Sailor4266 | *all | 01:57 |
| Sailor4266 | at the same time | 01:57 |
| chem|st | you can add a factory oth if you want to... | 01:58 |
| newin | okay for you i will retry really really really carefully | 01:58 |
| Aard | newin: please test with password change, changing the password eliminates the chance of something related to that being wrong on our side as well | 01:59 |
| newin | and I have set the simplest password ever to avoid mistakes... | 02:00 |
| Sailor4266 | chem|st: what do you mean by factory toh? i'm wondering is it possible to add two or more devices to communicate with jolla? | 02:01 |
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| newin | still won't work =/ | 02:03 |
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| Aard | newin: just reflashed a phone with 1.0.0.5 to verify that it's only you. I'm out of ideas now, but during the day tomorrow people with access to the accounts infrastructure should be around, they should be able to help you | 02:11 |
| Yaniel | does 1.0.0.5 have factory reset btw? | 02:12 |
| Aard | yes | 02:12 |
| Aard | no rescue mode, though | 02:12 |
| Yaniel | since we weren't sure about that an hour ago | 02:12 |
| Yaniel | okay | 02:12 |
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| newin | i am going to ask my question on http://together.jolla.com... | 02:15 |
| chem|st | Sailor4266: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C2%B2C#Limitations | 02:16 |
| Aard | newin: I left a note to the people with access to the accounts infra. will you be in irc during the day (i.e., do you have an irc shell or something similar)? | 02:16 |
| newin | irc shell ? did you mean ssh shell ? | 02:17 |
| Yaniel | yes | 02:17 |
| covox | a warning for people upgrading to 1.0.3.8 | 02:21 |
| newin | i will be on IRC whenever you want if it is for fixing my jolla... | 02:21 |
| covox | ridiculous fishing now works | 02:21 |
| Yaniel | as in? | 02:22 |
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| Aard | covox: I noticed that as well :) | 02:25 |
| Aard | newin: I asked them to ping you when they're awake, so hopefully somewhen tomorrow one of them will contact you | 02:26 |
| newin | Aard: if it's needed my jolla account is newincpp | 02:28 |
| Aard | ok | 02:28 |
| Aard | 12 | 02:29 |
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| newin | thx for all and sorry for my bad english (i'm french =D) | 02:29 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | So from what I gather theres still no landscape keyboard support inside messaging app? | 08:03 |
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| Armadillo | c0ck4m0u53 correct | 08:13 |
| Armadillo | but switching between portrait and landscape with keyboard out with custom apps now works fine | 08:14 |
| Armadillo | maybe they add landscape support for several apps in the next update | 08:14 |
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| special | c0ck4m0u53: it wasn't ready yet, there are a few complicated cases | 08:17 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | ok ty for the clarification | 08:18 |
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| Tofe | btw, did someone try the bootloader unlock that comes with Näämä^W the update? | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | should work | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:21 |
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| Stskeeps | if it doesn't, its a bug | 08:21 |
| Tofe | yep, just curious, and as I'm in the train right now, I don't think it's the best time to try | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | ehe | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | well at least you're going a place where people have the tools to fix it .. ;) | 08:22 |
| Tofe | :) | 08:23 |
| Tofe | Anyway I don't think I'll mess up with the bootloader until there is a usb method to reflash everything from fastboot | 08:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:25 |
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| Kiranos | as said earlier, talk.maemo.org should be happy atleast the bootloader is unlockable again :) | 08:57 |
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| eriolloan | hi to you all ! is there someone from techstaff that can help with a brand new jolla (no dev mode active) that refuses to complete booting after I installed a few apps from the tutorial and tried updating the system ? can't connect to 192.168.2.15 (no route) or to 10.42.66.66 (timeout)… I've been using it almost an hour, and really enjoyed it, wish I won't have to send it back for that… | 09:13 |
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| mikma | eriolloan: see if http://together.jolla.com has any help about recovery | 09:19 |
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| eriolloan | mikma : thank you | 09:21 |
| * Stskeeps sucessfully gets a seat in us 71.. | 09:22 | |
| Stskeeps | bus | 09:22 |
| Armadillo | :) | 09:22 |
| PeperJohnny | congrats, whatever that means ;) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:23 |
| Armadillo | I think he went outdoor :x | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | bus to fosdem :P | 09:23 |
| mikma | stskeeps: tampere-pirkkala, väinö paunu oy ;) | 09:23 |
| PeperJohnny | Well then congrats and have a lot of fun =) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | its a bit of a lifehack excersise as the busses are cramped and full | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | but if you take the bus in opposite direction 2 stops you can get on an empty bus :P | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | eriolloan: try factory resetting and updating directly without installing apps | 10:00 |
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| Venemo_j | hey | 10:25 |
| Acce | hello | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo_j | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: where you at? | 10:25 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: with faenil at AW entrance hall | 10:26 |
| Venemo_j | trying to decide what talks to go to | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: ok, we're outside H.1302 | 10:26 |
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| Acce | anything interesting except jolla talks in fosdem so far? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | of course, it's the biggest foss conference in europe :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | zumbi: you at FOSDM, btw? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | +E | 10:29 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: wanna meet up? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: yes, we're waiting atm for sledges to park i think | 10:30 |
| Acce | sure, but I was thinking more like something of particular interest :) regarding mobile stuff for example | 10:30 |
| Acce | are there going to be streams / records of fosdem talks? or maybe I should just check youtube for them | 10:30 |
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| faenil | o/ | 10:31 |
| stephg | \o | 10:31 |
| n9mx | http://streaming.fosdem.org/ | 10:32 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: ok, we'll be here. I'll update the jolla so have to reboot soon | 10:33 |
| Venemo_j | ttyl | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | we'll wait here | 10:35 |
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| stephg | n9mx: thanks | 10:36 |
| n9mx | stephg: np | 10:38 |
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| AL13N_droid | hey. im at fosdem. where is everyone? i looked at AW building? | 10:56 |
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| AL13N_droid | anyone? | 10:57 |
| faenil | AL13N_droid: we're out of h.1308 | 11:00 |
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| AntiHawk | asd asd, I have bit of a problem with my Jolla: any ideas? : OS crashes when I turn on mobile data or might be completely random too :( I made factory reset but still same problem... | 11:12 |
| mikma | odd that it's not h.1038 ;) | 11:12 |
| mikma | antihawk: software updated? | 11:13 |
| AntiHawk | was, now runnig stock cause is the reset | 11:13 |
| mikma | still crashing with stock? | 11:13 |
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| AntiHawk | yes | 11:13 |
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| mikma | sounds like something's broken | 11:14 |
| AntiHawk | first crash was when I where setting up the Jolla account after reset and selected mobile data to be connected | 11:15 |
| AntiHawk | before reset I hardly managed to get to the reset option before it crashed, but when I didn't input sim pin I managed to get there | 11:15 |
| AntiHawk | but anyway I will run some test to find out for sure why it's crashing or is it specific something | 11:17 |
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| AntiHawk | Also I have had problems with battery charge levels going haywire some times it charge level is going from 60% to 4% in 10 minutes and back to 100% in 5 when I connect the charger | 11:19 |
| AntiHawk | I hope it's bad battery or something like that | 11:19 |
| AntiHawk | but might not be :( | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk: pull out the battery 10 minutes and try again; it's an issue we're looking actively at | 11:20 |
| AntiHawk | OK, that I haven't tried yet. I'll give it a try when software updates are complete | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | moo tofe, javisail | 11:22 |
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| AntiHawk | Or maybe this all is that my Jolla has feelings and disagrees that I painted my snow white backcover to blue | 11:23 |
| kehnoo | I haven't had trouble with my Jolla after pulling the battery for while, actually using it as primary phone :) | 11:23 |
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| AntiHawk | I use Jolla as primary too for personal use | 11:24 |
| Sage_ | kehnoo: that is good to hear. May I ask what kind of problems you had before pulling out the battery? | 11:24 |
| kehnoo | I had random shutdowns | 11:25 |
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| restless_being | AntiHawk kehnoo : something like: https://together.jolla.com/question/21178/phone-freezes-then-restarts-itself/ ? | 11:28 |
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| AntiHawk | almost I don't see any screen artifacts goes completely black and then reboots or shuts off completely | 11:31 |
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| AntiHawk | Okey battery unplugged..... | 11:36 |
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| javisail | helo stskeeps | 11:54 |
| javisail | still in h1302 area? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | javisail: yes, inside poettering's talk | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | going to head to embedded afterwards | 11:55 |
| javisail | ok | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | / lameere | 11:57 |
| javisail | (im in what seems to be the foodcourt, was in the stands) | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:57 |
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| AntiHawk | WTF software update failed :D | 12:00 |
| cheese | hi ppl | 12:00 |
| AntiHawk | going to try again | 12:00 |
| cheese | anyone experiencing boot loop after upgrade to 1.0.3.8 ? | 12:00 |
| cheese | can't got fastbook working too, nor recovery | 12:00 |
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| AntiHawk | I had about 5 cycles first time I updated 1.0.3.8 | 12:01 |
| AntiHawk | It was testing patience when it cycled that many times | 12:02 |
| cheese | doesn' t seems to have any effet, just looping and looping and looping :p | 12:02 |
| cheese | huhu | 12:02 |
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| restless_being | I had update "loop" only.. Had to try twice. first time it downloaed the update, then the screen with "Sailfish" text was shown for about 5 seconds, then the phone rebooted with.. old Sailfish running. After trying again it worked. No issues with reboot | 12:04 |
| cheese | loop number 15, still waiting :D | 12:04 |
| cheese | when plugging battery, phone starts directly, but can't got the recovery | 12:05 |
| restless_being | cheese: seems that a popular solution is to remove battery for about 10 minutes | 12:05 |
| chem|st | cheese: as it seems to help (no clue why and what the actual issue is) remove the battery for 10 mins | 12:05 |
| cheese | will try | 12:05 |
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| chem|st | restless_being: damn I am slow on a saturday morning coffee^^ | 12:05 |
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| cheese | need to go, will come back later as Gordon`, thx for help! | 12:07 |
| AntiHawk | second try to update to 1.0.3.8 ... success | 12:08 |
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| Sail0r | cool jolla @nytimes http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/technology/new-smartphone-and-software-from-finland-aims-at-android.html?_r=3 | 12:08 |
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| Acce | hmm, my event screen broke when trying ro refresh twitter, going to the twitter page now freezes the phone for sometime, and then I can swipe it away, but not interact with the page. Any ideas? | 12:11 |
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| Acce | it also is dimmed, as if pulley menu was activated | 12:12 |
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| Yaniel | I saw that too | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | it disappeared when I swiped again though | 12:14 |
| leinir | yeah, looks like you can sort-of-but-not-quite pull the events view up... | 12:14 |
| leinir | just pull it up all the way and then again to get rid of it | 12:14 |
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| leinir | i've not really been able to force it to happen, but it does happen on occasion, every couple of days | 12:14 |
| Acce | anyone report it to tjc yet? | 12:16 |
| leinir | i think that counts as a "no" ;) | 12:18 |
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| n9mx | Jolla Sailors @ FOSDEM: The U building is not being streamed. Would it be possible for you to get a copy of stskeep's talk recording? | 12:19 |
| Sage_ | n9mx: lets see if we can arrange something. | 12:19 |
| n9mx | Sage_: Thank you very much | 12:19 |
| Acce | ill post it to tjc then | 12:19 |
| Sage_ | I don't have camera with me, probalby can record with jolla though but will check if there is someone with something even better, usually audio is the issue. | 12:20 |
| * Sage_ is not sure if there is mic and speakers in the room | 12:20 | |
| AntiHawk | may I have complete rsync backup of my Jolla before reset, how do I restore from backup? | 12:20 |
| AntiHawk | minus may | 12:21 |
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| n9mx | Sage_: AFAIK The video team is recording the embeeded room and is usings the camera's mic | 12:22 |
| Sage_ | tbr: ^ any plans? You usually record stuff :) | 12:23 |
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| n9mx | Sage_: acording to winfriedd2 the embeeded room is now being recorded | 12:24 |
| Sage_ | ah, well problem solved then :) | 12:24 |
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| chem|st | AntiHawk: the other way... | 12:36 |
| stephg | hm the streams for that room still say they're down :( | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | hi | 12:42 |
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| n9mx | stephg: The U building is not being streamed | 12:47 |
| Sail0r | :( | 12:51 |
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| n9mx | Sail0r: But it is being recorded to tape :D | 12:52 |
| Sail0r | cool :) | 12:52 |
| n9mx | embeeded devroom | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | tape | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | what's that? :) | 12:53 |
| Yaniel | we need a DAT player TOH | 12:54 |
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| parasemic | am i the only one who is completely frustrated with together.j.c? it utter bullshit and totally useless for bugreporting purposes | 12:55 |
| parasemic | its* | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | i would disagree with the "totally useless" bit | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | it isn't a bug reporting tool, but it does part of the job | 12:57 |
| chem|st | parasemic: nope you are not alone - community is crying out loud for a bugtracker | 12:57 |
| tbr | parasemic: it's not a traditional bug tracker, what IMO sucks the most is the amount of technically clueless people having to post AOL! type comments | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | well, i'll also disagree with the "utter bs" too | 12:57 |
| parasemic | i dont even bother reporting anything anymore as nobody gives a flying fuck because a) they don't experience that themselves b) they don't even know about "vote" button c) they whore for personal karma or d) they want to have gps navigation instead of fixing critical bugs | 12:58 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it is a pain for moderation | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i agree it has its faults | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | but i'm not going to look at it black or white | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | it does function though, some things that were there were actually fixed, so i'm sufficiently happy | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | apple doesn't give me that option, and there are a lot of things i'd change about ios, to put things in perspective | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | Does the tjc page work properly on jolla (and other not-desktop) yet? | 12:59 |
| chem|st | parasemic: they want to have BS all over the place and go back to N9 ui and adapt to android instead of pushing sailfish fwd... | 12:59 |
| chem|st | my sister had a laugh on scummVM yesterday.... | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: i think it's better, haven't had a chance to test properly yet | 13:00 |
| parasemic | i could write a book about bugs in the recent update but there is nowhere to type it down | 13:00 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: what is properly? you can read and do stuff but it is not realy mobile friendly | 13:00 |
| parasemic | as t.g.c is just waste of time | 13:00 |
| ShadowJK | Last I checked, the search only searched unanswered questions, for example | 13:00 |
| chem|st | parasemic: I started with orientation bugs introduced... and collecting there | 13:01 |
| Yaniel | parasemic: it is better when used together with irc | 13:01 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: that is a while ago... | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: i can confirm i can see all/unanswered now :) | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | there were other issues | 13:01 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:1.0.3.8/page:1/ you can find some bugs by searching for 1.0.3.8 | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: you can write your own stuff too and give it to care@j.c surely? | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | Well I only look occasionally to see if the frontpage has a "Desktop" link :) | 13:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Or a unretard button.. | 13:02 |
| parasemic | ill just revert back to eariler SW version, lastest update was useless and broke more than it fixed | 13:02 |
| chem|st | parasemic: we could pimp bugs.maemo.org and setup sailfishOS default maintainer email to care@jolla | 13:03 |
| chem|st | people crying for landscape mode made it happen that we now have lots of bits broken and the few they asked for working... | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | did not notice that many broken things @ parasemic what was broken for you? | 13:04 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: some Qt APIs gone wild for example | 13:05 |
| artemma | is the landscape working somewhere else but the browser? :) | 13:05 |
| chem|st | artemma: kind of... | 13:05 |
| chem|st | as I said broken on al other places | 13:05 |
| chem|st | artemma: gallery for example has one page 90degrees rotatable another 360 another is not rotatable at all... | 13:06 |
| artemma | oh, didn't check gallery, thanks, will try | 13:06 |
| chem|st | if an app rotates on page only... on that page gestures arre rotated... | 13:06 |
| chem|st | one page | 13:06 |
| parasemic | anyone else experiencing: recent contacts were removed from people app leaving a huge empty space, lockscreen has no notifiactions what so ever, camera not following landscape gestures, alien dalvik "buttons" replaced with 3 dots, android soundsystem not activating until playing music from sailfish, gallery cover photos scaled like shit if the pictures are big (eg. taken with jolla camera)....? | 13:07 |
| chem|st | notifications can be swiped in in landscape but the page does not rotate | 13:07 |
| Sail0r | gesture rotation is a consequent feature | 13:07 |
| chem|st | parasemic: the lock-screen notifications is meant to be, | 13:07 |
| chem|st | that is not a bug | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: i have notifications on lock screen no problem | 13:07 |
| parasemic | wat? | 13:07 |
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| chem|st | parasemic: minor notifications are not shown on the lockscreen but in the notfications only | 13:08 |
| parasemic | no, there are NO ICONS | 13:08 |
| parasemic | software updates or 3rd party notifications atleast | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: i understood you correctly - at least i saw email notifications | 13:08 |
| chem|st | parasemic: you are talking android | 13:08 |
| chem|st | android is all minor | 13:09 |
| parasemic | no, im talking store updates and mitäkuuluu notifications etc | 13:09 |
| chem|st | I would actually show only one notifications icon nothing more ever | 13:09 |
| merlin1991 | hm I'm hit bythe FAT32 sd card not indexed anymore :/ | 13:09 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: happens^^ I got hit by reindexed (NULL) images^^ | 13:10 |
| chem|st | but for the first time it indexed^^ | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | without me doing anything | 13:10 |
| merlin1991 | on x.x.25 a tracker restart usually brought my files back | 13:10 |
| merlin1991 | but at least it worked for some time after a reboot | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | now it seems nothing is indexed at all | 13:11 |
| chem|st | wasn't that easy for me... had to kill all and let god sort them out | 13:11 |
| parasemic | anyone know if they even fixed the wlan issue? | 13:11 |
| parasemic | wish i could start using wlan again -.- | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: which one? :D | 13:11 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: it sometimes takes a while after the boot | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | I did tracker-control -e -s in order to get my stuff back into the ui | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | mine is working so far, but i need more time | 13:12 |
| parasemic | the issue with losing connection silently | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | yup, more time required :) | 13:12 |
| parasemic | and they didnt even fix they aweful keyboard and that makes me really angry | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | opinion please: is this spam? https://together.jolla.com/question/22561/anti-theft-inbuilt-apps-16-million-us-smartphone-owners-who-had-their-handset-stolen-last-year-remedy/ | 13:12 |
| chem|st | parasemic: first time I hear that this persisted after 2.5 upgrade | 13:12 |
| parasemic | i dunnot why, but they keyboard just feels really really bad overall. its jus so inaccurate vs. any android device and i keep on making typing errors way too much | 13:13 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: nope | 13:13 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: just a very long title | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i'm tempted to delete that link tho | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | i think that's what i'll do | 13:14 |
| chem|st | yeah delete it | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | thanks for the opinion | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | the title and the first 50% of the post make my spam alerts go off but it seems to be genuine :D | 13:14 |
| chem|st | and change the title to something usefull and then close it as duplicate^^ | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: :) | 13:14 |
| chem|st | pretty sure someone asked for it | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | actually, i'll delete it while it has no votes | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: "tracker-control -e -s" brought my stuff back | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | hate dupes | 13:15 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: same here had to read twice to get that the last sentence is actualy valid | 13:15 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: lucky you | 13:15 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: heh i was just about to answer to that link with "Android Device Manager" ;) | 13:17 |
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| merlin1991 | I think I'll create a .desktop file that launches just that, since I need it every 10 to 15 hours :D | 13:17 |
| chem|st | mikma: ever heard of the word native | 13:17 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder what a proper title for it would be though | 13:17 |
| mikma | chem|st: yes | 13:17 |
| merlin1991 | something along the lines of tracker fuuuuu, but that's too long :D | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | mikma: it was a dupe, and it was promoting an applicatoin so..... | 13:17 |
| mikma | chem|st: the point is the functionality and the features of the android device manager :P | 13:17 |
| mikma | chem|st: ability to wipe the device with recovery and locking the device & locating it | 13:18 |
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| * ggabriel hopes that alien dalvik doesn't have so much access to the jolla | 13:18 | |
| chem|st | mikma: what features such a program needs is pretty obvious... | 13:18 |
| Sail0r | use device lock | 13:18 |
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| parasemic | am i really alone with they keyboard issues? my keyboard is beyond aweful and nobody else ever even mentions such problems?? | 13:19 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: more and more, now they have sms... so I will not install any software needing access to it | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: keyboard is ok, much better than iphone's IMO | 13:19 |
| parasemic | well, then i must guess there is something wrong with my device | 13:19 |
| chem|st | on my tablet I don't care as there is no sim-card... | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | how is it awful? | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: i do want swype-like tho | 13:19 |
| parasemic | i make a typing error on average 1/3 of words | 13:19 |
| parasemic | and it feels really inaccurate | 13:20 |
| parasemic | never had any problems with n9 or android devices | 13:20 |
| mikma | parasemic: then you propably need to buy the limited version of jolla qwerty keyboard :) | 13:20 |
| parasemic | not familiar with iOS then | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yup, i'll eventually install it for the british airways application, but will systemctl stop/start it every time | 13:20 |
| chem|st | parasemic: I mistype on edge chars alot lately... | 13:20 |
| mikma | parasemic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | parasemic: ok n9 was pretty aweful vkb if you did not use swype | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: fwiw, i'm very used to swype on the n9, the virtual keyboard in the jolla felt just fine, but it's a matter of opinion ofc | 13:21 |
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| ggabriel | haha, i find the n9's vkb quite ok too | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | the jolla is bigger, hence a bit more accurate | 13:21 |
| parasemic | mikma already ordered, but i dont understand wtf is wrong with my keyboard, just feels like the "sizes" of the buttons are somehow wrong | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | n9's vkb >> ios vkb (iphone 4) IMO | 13:22 |
| Yaniel | parasemic: the button sizes vary between layouts it seems | 13:22 |
| parasemic | can't type fast and accurate, even though i never had really any problems with any device | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: have you tried to test your touchscreen with the cdc tool? (was it cdc?) | 13:22 |
| parasemic | hmm, no | 13:22 |
| Yaniel | and the predictive dictionary helps a lot | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | maybe your touch is off | 13:23 |
| parasemic | i hate prediction | 13:23 |
| chem|st | parasemic: csd | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | thanks chem|st | 13:23 |
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| chem|st | but is there a calibration feature? | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | not that i'm aware | 13:23 |
| Sail0r | I type much better with the jolla keyboard than with my galaxy s3 keyboard :x | 13:23 |
| parasemic | oh, how do i run the test? | 13:23 |
| {cms} | I find the keyboard harder to use than other touch ones, often. I think the response time is perhaps variable. I haven't constructed a test though. | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | there is some obscure *#foobar*# -like thing | 13:24 |
| {cms} | I like the prediction for the text input mode a lot. | 13:24 |
| Pnuu | *#*#310#*#* | 13:24 |
| Sail0r | * # * # 310 # * # * | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | thanks Pnuu :) | 13:25 |
| Sail0r | hmpf too late | 13:25 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 13:25 |
| Pnuu | grep <3 | 13:25 |
| chem|st | {cms}: for all I know it is highly subjective as I have less problems with jolla than I have with iOS android or n9 vkb | 13:25 |
| chem|st | lol just start it from terminal | 13:25 |
| * artemma is missing iPhone keyboard, thinks it's most about autocompletion and screensize (can't reach leftmost keys comfortably) | 13:25 | |
| chem|st | text input needs to be landscape for me... | 13:26 |
| AntiHawk | Hello everyone, I just hour ago had problem with my Jolla phone: random crashes/reboots, it seems really that removing the battery for 10 minutes fixed this issue | 13:26 |
| chem|st | but if they mess it up like now just worse to give us that I'd rather have no more landscape changes | 13:27 |
| * artemma is in general more after single-hand use designed devices though - too much use on the go | 13:27 | |
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| chem|st | AntiHawk: good to hear | 13:27 |
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| * Stskeeps idles before his talk | 13:27 | |
| chem|st | artemma: yeah a T9vkb for sms would be nice | 13:27 |
| artemma | 10 min without battery fixed rebooting issue.. NSA's bug in BaseBand OS injection? | 13:28 |
| Sail0r | hate t9 :x | 13:28 |
| chem|st | sry for unified messager | 13:28 |
| AntiHawk | Also if it helps I first tried resetting to stock OS version, but it didn't help | 13:28 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: you don't need to use it do you | 13:28 |
| Sail0r | sure | 13:28 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: which room? | 13:28 |
| Sail0r | UB2.252A | 13:29 |
| Sail0r | in 30mins :) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | what Sail0r said, Lameere | 13:29 |
| {cms} | chem|st: quite. I haven't figured out what the problem is really. It does seem very variable though. Whatever, it's perfectly usable for me. | 13:29 |
| chem|st | 30mins.. I get some popcorn | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | there's no streaming though, but it seems like somebody is recording.. | 13:30 |
| chem|st | oh I thought it might be down as there is no talk atm | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | minix 3 arm is ongoing | 13:31 |
| chem|st | ok then it is... darn | 13:31 |
| chem|st | no live commenting then.... | 13:31 |
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| Sage_ | n9mx: yes there is camera recording the presentation. I can confirm ;) | 13:35 |
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| n9mx | Sage_: Cool! | 13:35 |
| sledges | same here :)) | 13:35 |
| alterego | me too | 13:36 |
| alterego | vgrade looks unimpresed | 13:36 |
| alterego | ~unimpressed | 13:36 |
| sledges | &) from minix | 13:36 |
| AntiHawk | About restoring from backup: now that my device is blank I dont have previous backups (from settings) available to restore, byt I do have rsync backups from whole phone. What do I have to copy and where to be able to restore my contacts etc from latest backup set | 13:37 |
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| alterego | Ah, it's that time again | 13:37 |
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| chem|st | AntiHawk: .vault in home | 13:37 |
| chem|st | with right ownership and everything | 13:38 |
| AntiHawk | OK, whole .vault with permissions intact, got it :) thanks! | 13:38 |
| chem|st | .vault == backup | 13:38 |
| AntiHawk | :) OK | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | if you got an sd-card you may just tar the folder to it before you reset | 13:39 |
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| AntiHawk | Yea too late for that, but I do have sets made with rsync on the sdcard providing the same | 13:40 |
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| parasemic | yeah, wlan isnt working or they broke the facebook connect | 13:46 |
| parasemic | messages come 5-10min late | 13:46 |
| parasemic | yeah, wlan still broken | 13:47 |
| javisail | man, so many MacBooks... | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | there is a gap between wlan not working and messages sync'ing late | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | javisail: there's a few fake macbooks, ie, ultrabooks | 13:48 |
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| Sail0r | lol | 13:49 |
| javisail | stskeeps: good luck! | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | javisail: isn't there majority of tablets then? | 13:50 |
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| parasemic | hmm, after running csd and playing around with english keyboard i came to the conclusion they have fucked up the finnish layout | 13:53 |
| parasemic | there is something badly wrong with it | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: that would explain the different experience then :) | 13:54 |
| parasemic | that is highly ironical, tho | 13:55 |
| parasemic | jolla being finnish company and all | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | i'd like to think that bugs just happen | 13:55 |
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| javisail | now there's plenty jollas | 13:57 |
| javisail | ja:) | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | :D | 13:57 |
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| Sail0r | :) | 13:57 |
| Quu | wat is happening | 13:58 |
| Sail0r | do a keyboard livestream *g* | 13:58 |
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| parasemic | btw, totally offtopic, how the fuck do you download any adobe products anymore? | 14:03 |
| parasemic | download page just redirects to adobe.com | 14:03 |
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| mikma | what are you wanting to download | 14:04 |
| parasemic | adobe reader (new w7 install), cant pay my fucking bills | 14:04 |
| parasemic | -.- | 14:04 |
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| parasemic | or i cant even update my flashplayer | 14:04 |
| parasemic | same thing | 14:04 |
| mikma | http://get.adobe.com/reader/ ? | 14:05 |
| parasemic | doesnt work | 14:05 |
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| mikma | then you need to enable the site on your NoScript | 14:05 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: bring it on! | 14:05 |
| parasemic | but i dont have noscipt installed...... | 14:05 |
| parasemic | NoScript* | 14:05 |
| mikma | well then your browser is broken. After clicking Install now it offers me the install file .exe | 14:06 |
| parasemic | oh lol, it was ghostery blocking ads | 14:06 |
| parasemic | mcaftee virusbullshit blocked me from installing :D | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | upgrade to linux | 14:07 |
| mikma | ... did you just namedrop McAfee? | 14:07 |
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| mikma | aka. Intel Security? | 14:07 |
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| mikma | parasemic: google up "john mcafee how to uninstall mcafee" and watch the first video from youtube :) | 14:08 |
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| parasemic | i ment, the "do you want this complete bullshit to install and ruin your compure tick while downloading" ;) | 14:09 |
| parasemic | my ghostery blocked it and that's why adobe didnt let me download anything | 14:09 |
| parasemic | computer"* | 14:10 |
| Sail0r | Note: Your antivirus software must allow you to install software. | 14:10 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:10 |
| mikma | Note: McAfee | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | unless that said software is a virus | 14:11 |
| parasemic | i concider McAfee a virus | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | i consider windows a virus | 14:11 |
| parasemic | that too, but linux is still to bad for normal & gaming usage | 14:11 |
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| ggabriel | +1 gaming | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | not so sure about normal, define normal :P | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | btw, how's the talk going? | 14:12 |
| parasemic | somehow the mouse feels 'wrong" for me on ubuntu | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | s/windows/windows and ubuntu/ :P | 14:12 |
| parasemic | linuxmint was better | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | never been a big fan of debian tbh | 14:12 |
| Sail0r | fedora :) | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | fedora is cool | 14:13 |
| parasemic | but mint doesnt support multimonitor | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | altho gf is complaining after latest update | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | wat | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | srsly? | 14:13 |
| Sail0r | oO | 14:13 |
| parasemic | yeah, well i guess you can pretty much hack anything to work on linux | 14:13 |
| parasemic | but i never got it working and uninstalle | 14:13 |
| parasemic | d | 14:13 |
| Sail0r | use fedora multimonitor out of the box ;) | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | yup, works like a charm | 14:14 |
| parasemic | havent tried fedora | 14:14 |
| parasemic | might give it a go someday | 14:14 |
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| ggabriel | i use gentoo, but it isn't for people with no patience | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | i should say it's for people with a lot of patience and willing to learn | 14:15 |
| Sail0r | definite you should try fedora it's one of the best desktop ready distributions i think | 14:15 |
| Armadillo | I'm using Fedora since v15 | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | i concur | 14:16 |
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| Armadillo | it's great | 14:16 |
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| ggabriel | wtf? https://together.jolla.com/question/22602/phone-feels-awfully-cold-after-update/ | 14:16 |
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| Sail0r | I like the answer ** | 14:17 |
| Sail0r | *g* | 14:17 |
| Sail0r | maybe we should publish cpu burn | 14:17 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:17 |
| friese | uhm, how about a button in the settings? "turn on nfc bug" | 14:17 |
| Venemo_j | hey | 14:18 |
| parasemic | hmm, maybe i should start my tohd.service again | 14:18 |
| parasemic | dunno why, tho | 14:18 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps is on stage! Watch him at FOSDEM now :) | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: no streaming | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | is the talk going well? | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | and hi btw | 14:18 |
| Venemo_j | yep, going well | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | looking fwd to the recording | 14:19 |
| ggabriel | which is on tape i hear | 14:19 |
| jubo2 | the compose sms needs cursor focusing tools. cursosor buttons on screen? | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: yeah, funny, but i'd like the place a bit cleaner tbh | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: what do you want to do with the cursor? | 14:20 |
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| Sail0r | you are right ggabriel but even in official bugtrackers there are funny things ^^ | 14:20 |
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| jubo2 | ggabriel: move the cursor around | 14:21 |
| jubo2 | the pointing isn't working well | 14:21 |
| Sail0r | Like honest ahmed ;) | 14:21 |
| Venemo_j | AL13N: where're you? | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: i wonder if you know how to do it: put your finger on the cursor, swipe left/right, it zooms in and lets you move it | 14:22 |
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| ggabriel | jubo2: imnsho, it's the best cursor movement implementation i've seen yet | 14:22 |
| jubo2 | somewhere ( not in sms compose mode ) there was this possibility to hold down | 14:22 |
| jubo2 | to got what ggabriel just said | 14:22 |
| Sail0r | jep curosor movement is awesome in sailfish | 14:22 |
| Sail0r | *cursor | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: why would you want to hold down and wait when you can just swipe like a champ? | 14:23 |
| jubo2 | it works sometimes sometimes not | 14:24 |
| jubo2 | Now I lost the focus from the sms I was writing | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: it works consistently for me - key: you have to swipe from the cursor | 14:24 |
| jubo2 | it shows it in the back-ground but I don't know how to navigate there | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | another trick is double tap and swipe on the second tap, so place cursor+move | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: you lost me there. screen shot? | 14:25 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: I need to get back to composing the sms | 14:25 |
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| jubo2 | If shows behind translucent "main view on SMS traffic" | 14:26 |
| jubo2 | I think this Jolla is rather complicated thing | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | many folks report that there is a learning curve | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | i own an n9, so mine was a learning tiny bump in the road rather than a uphill battle | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 14:27 |
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| jubo2 | The SMS system needs work | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | such as? | 14:29 |
| jubo2 | so does the phone events log | 14:29 |
| Sail0r | ? | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | there are some ideas in tjc already | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | events log? | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | you mean the call log? | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | or the events view? | 14:29 |
| jubo2 | call log, yes | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | there are some ideas in tjc for that too | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | i want caldav before any of that | 14:29 |
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| jubo2 | I am unable to return to the message I was composing | 14:32 |
| jubo2 | bummer! | 14:32 |
| jubo2 | on foreground there is the received SMSes list | 14:32 |
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| jubo2 | on the background I can still see the message but no way to reach for the "send"-button | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | there's an age calculator in the store | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | wow | 14:33 |
| Tegu | :D | 14:33 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: there is also http://timeanddate.com online | 14:33 |
| jubo2 | they have various counters | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | i need an application to help me breath please | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | else i forget and i can die | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | srsly man | 14:34 |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:34 |
| Sail0r | a oxygen mask toh | 14:34 |
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| ggabriel | that doesn't instigate the breathing mechanism tho | 14:34 |
| Sail0r | combined with a app which calculates how much oxygen you need | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | it's all about getting rid of co2 too | 14:35 |
| Tegu | and yea the lack of message drafts gets annoying when you accidentally lose a message | 14:35 |
| FireFly | breathing timer, makes phone vibrate every other second or so | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: please, yeah, i want that | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | and another one to help me eat too | 14:35 |
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| ggabriel | i think that's what the hunger meter is for tho | 14:35 |
| Sail0r | and don't forget your heartbeat | 14:36 |
| Tegu | "breathe now, please" | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: luckily, heartbeat is automatic | 14:36 |
| Tegu | "next breathe in 3, 2, 1" | 14:36 |
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| Sail0r | for some individuals i am sure they forget it ^^ | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: there are pace makers for that ;-) | 14:36 |
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| ggabriel | Tegu: yeah, something along those lines | 14:36 |
| Sail0r | pace maker toh | 14:36 |
| Sail0r | bingo | 14:36 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | ftw | 14:36 |
| FireFly | ggabriel: http://blogg.improveme.se/catrinemagnusson/files/2012/03/wpid-2012-03-04-13.20.11.jpg | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | hahaha | 14:37 |
| FireFly | All the essential reminders you need | 14:37 |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | technology is good, but there are limits | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | "is it cold outside?" "just open the door and find out" | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | "oh, no, i have the app for that" | 14:38 |
| * ggabriel hates humanity sometimes | 14:38 | |
| FireFly | I agree | 14:38 |
| Sidde | anyone having problem with characters åäö in fingerterm within irssi? | 14:41 |
| Sidde | or know how to fix the problem? | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | Sidde: i can't see those characters :P | 14:41 |
| Tegu | I can see | 14:42 |
| Pnuu | Sidde: no problems | 14:42 |
| Quu | Sidde: set your irssi to utf-8? | 14:42 |
| Sidde | irssi is set to utf8, and the serer | 14:42 |
| * Morpog_PC uses IRC for SailfishOS :D | 14:42 | |
| Pnuu | utf8 in use everywhere? | 14:42 |
| Sidde | i have never had any problem with any computer | 14:42 |
| Pnuu | try screen -rud | 14:43 |
| Quu | thats pretty rud-e | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | plop | 14:43 |
| FireFly | Sidde: well, not apart from the 'å' key actually being â IIRC | 14:43 |
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| FireFly | (why? I've no idea!) | 14:44 |
| Tegu | äö test | 14:44 |
| Sidde | Pnuu: that worked | 14:44 |
| Sidde | so i'll guess the default locale in sailfish messes up the autodetect in irssi | 14:45 |
| Sidde | or something like that | 14:45 |
| FireFly | Hm, I didn't have any issues with weechat over mosh | 14:45 |
| FireFly | though that's probably because I'm not running it locally, so it's using the remote box's locale | 14:45 |
| jubo2 | the sms composition is borked | 14:46 |
| jubo2 | let me guess, #1 fix is to reboot and see if problem goes away | 14:46 |
| FireFly | Sidde: what does `locale` print for you? | 14:46 |
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| Tegu | also sms didn't get landscape mode while browser did get :( | 14:47 |
| CoderCandy | Uuuh, my jolla dies randomly... | 14:47 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: battery out for 10 minutes | 14:47 |
| Sidde | i'll use "english" on sailfish which means en_GB but with no LC_ALL and with sv_SE for all measurement and so on to get right units | 14:47 |
| CoderCandy | sweet thanks. | 14:47 |
| Quu | if that doesnt help, send it to repairs or deal with it | 14:47 |
| CoderCandy | I'll be back in 10 mins. | 14:48 |
| FireFly | Sidde: I have mine setup to English in the settings (and haven't messed with the locale from terminal) and I have en_GB.utf8 everywhere | 14:48 |
| Sidde | FireFly: i don't want the units to be imperial | 14:48 |
| FireFly | Fair enough | 14:48 |
| Sidde | FireFly: i prefer meters instead of yards.. ;) | 14:49 |
| FireFly | I haven't stumbled upon any imperial units yet though.. :p | 14:49 |
| FireFly | Yeah, I do too. I guess I should change some of them | 14:49 |
| Sidde | FireFly: open maps | 14:49 |
| FireFly | like currency and whatnot | 14:49 |
| jubo2 | How do I shut the Jolla down | 14:49 |
| FireFly | jubo2: hold the power button down | 14:49 |
| artemma | jubo2: buy all the company shares and file liquidation papers to the local tax office | 14:49 |
| FireFly | :D | 14:49 |
| jubo2 | 'k.. | 14:49 |
| jubo2 | artemma: Yeah.. what was that 200M€ stake.. 20%? | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | pocket change | 14:50 |
| artemma | jubo2: I give you strategy, I trust you to work on tactics | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | just make elop their ceo | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | that'll be easier | 14:51 |
| artemma | ggabriel: yeah, that would be cheaper I guess :) | 14:51 |
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| newin | hey all ! | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey newin | 14:56 |
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| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: With every next Friends version I try using it more and more. Good job, thnks | 14:59 |
| artemma | ! | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: :) | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | comment 385 month ago ? | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or something like that | 14:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (it is because the timestamp is set to 0 :D) | 14:59 |
| artemma | yeah, I guess everybody's like that :) | 14:59 |
| artemma | and then everybody has "but there is one small feature I'd like to add" :) | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: yep, that's why I'm urgeing to get 1.0.0 out | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and get features 1.X releases | 15:00 |
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| Yaniel | still no cover art in media player :/ | 15:00 |
| jubo2 | Is there no SW way to do FM radio? | 15:01 |
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| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: Good luck with it! If you are a jolla fan, there is really not that much left to use Friends all the time | 15:01 |
| Yaniel | except in the same mp3s as before | 15:01 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: how exactly would you do that in sw? | 15:01 |
| Yaniel | first thing is you need some sort of physical antenna | 15:02 |
| jubo2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop tuning is so candy.. why leave it out | 15:02 |
| jubo2 | Before the PLL tuners to get a radio signal in trains was very rare | 15:02 |
| artemma | Maybe if you could unlock NSA antenna inside the GSM chip.. | 15:02 |
| artemma | though they probably reuse standard antennas anyway | 15:03 |
| newin | chem|st: who is the person which can help me with my account probleim ? | 15:03 |
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| Yaniel | FM radio uses slightly different frequencies than GSM ^^ | 15:03 |
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| jubo2 | Usually one can just use the wires of headphones for antenna | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | newin: what kind of account problem ? | 15:04 |
| jubo2 | I've an account problem too.. Yandex.store won't accept my username and password. Also email broken | 15:05 |
| Yaniel | well, if you somehow circumvent the circuitry for noise reduction etc and manage to record data from there.. | 15:05 |
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| mikma | Jolla, World is not enough (tm) - "Phone feels awfully cold after update" | 15:06 |
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| Quu | cold? | 15:06 |
| mikma | apparently | 15:06 |
| Yaniel | xD | 15:06 |
| mikma | https://together.jolla.com/question/22602/phone-feels-awfully-cold-after-update/ | 15:06 |
| mikma | it was linked here before | 15:06 |
| attah | does one vote up or down? :P | 15:07 |
| Yaniel | :D | 15:07 |
| mikma | i linked a nice page of hand warmers from amazon but i can't see my comment there anymore :,,( | 15:08 |
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| Sail0r | toh filled with these chemicals for hand warmers | 15:14 |
| gabriel9 | i just read that one :D | 15:15 |
| gabriel9 | lol | 15:15 |
| CoderCandy | let's see if battery removal thing worked | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | btw anyone else bothered by how different chinese/japanese and latin characters look? | 15:16 |
| CoderCandy | I'm at the hospital, so working phone is rather important for relieving my boredom | 15:17 |
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| Yaniel | I mean, latin text looks semitransparent compared to eastern | 15:18 |
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| gabriel9 | CoderCandy: what is the problem? | 15:18 |
| CoderCandy | Yaniel: not really, you should rather be bothered with how ther language is built | 15:18 |
| CoderCandy | gabriel9: random crashez | 15:18 |
| CoderCandy | crashes* | 15:19 |
| gabriel9 | what did you do? | 15:19 |
| CoderCandy | uh, different | 15:19 |
| CoderCandy | starting netflix | 15:19 |
| CoderCandy | unlocking | 15:19 |
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| CoderCandy | it dies completely | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | I mean kanji/kana seem to be rendered differently from latin chars | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | I'll post a screenshot later | 15:20 |
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| Quu | CoderCandy: that used to happen to me, for 3 weeks, 2-8 times per day | 15:20 |
| Quu | then it just stopped ~2 weeks ago | 15:20 |
| Quu | i have no idea what i did | 15:20 |
| CoderCandy | yeah, it just started for me | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: they need | 15:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not the same font I guess | 15:21 |
| gabriel9 | hm, it must be something in logs | 15:21 |
| CoderCandy | to be fair, it started rather shortly after a full discharge | 15:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and anyway, there don't even have the same shape | 15:21 |
| CoderCandy | gabriel9: which logs do you need? | 15:21 |
| Yaniel | Sfiet_Konstantin: still does not explain why latin looks 80% opaque in comparison | 15:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: ah ? | 15:22 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: there aint anything on any logs, we have been over this in last month so many times.. | 15:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: maybe chinese chars are slightly bolder ? | 15:22 |
| gabriel9 | duno, i just know that every time my linux dies i go see logs and there is always some clue | 15:22 |
| CoderCandy | Quu: oh, okay, is the cause located yet? | 15:23 |
| gabriel9 | journalctl is the logging system for systemctl | 15:23 |
| gabriel9 | which sailfish uses | 15:23 |
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| CoderCandy | Logless problems are usuallt hard to pin down =/ | 15:23 |
| CoderCandy | usually* | 15:23 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: week ago it was not, they said they have some ideas | 15:23 |
| gabriel9 | sudo journalctl -b | 15:23 |
| gabriel9 | can you do that? | 15:24 |
| Quu | gabriel9: after enabling bugreports/logging, you still cant see anything in logs | 15:24 |
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| Quu | i have sent ~50 logfiles to jolla people and they saw nothing in them | 15:24 |
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| CoderCandy | Let's just hope it's software and not hardware | 15:25 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey faenil @ fosdem :) | 15:25 |
| faenil | o/ | 15:25 |
| gabriel9 | also i used this one: journalctl -b -1 | 15:25 |
| mikma | what's the deal with 4G LTE with 1.0.3.8? | 15:25 |
| Sail0r | it was also possible on 1.0.2.5 | 15:26 |
| gabriel9 | to see problems from previousboot | 15:26 |
| gabriel9 | to see problems from previous boot | 15:26 |
| Sail0r | it's not official supported but you can enable it | 15:26 |
| Sail0r | which brings more problems than benefits | 15:26 |
| Sail0r | there is a reason why it's not enabled by default ^^ | 15:26 |
| CoderCandy | Ooh, I missed the update! | 15:26 |
| Quu | ha | 15:26 |
| Quu | 24h ago | 15:27 |
| gabriel9 | anyone uses N9 charger for Jolla? White one from N9 is much more prettier :] | 15:27 |
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| tango_ | btw I think the dead keys approach should be made more general, although I can't see how 8-/ | 15:34 |
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| jubo2 | email sez "Ongelma synkronoinnissa." and fi."ongelma" == en."problem" .. | 15:36 |
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| jubo2 | The unboxing experience suffers from too minimalistic calendar, email not working and Yandex.store not working | 15:40 |
| faenil | o.O | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | surprise | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: first thing, update | 15:41 |
| jubo2 | I just noticed there is 1.0.3.8 available | 15:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol | 15:43 |
| Sidde | jubo2: the email application can be a bit tricky. It for example don't want to fetch email for imap if it's the wrong smtp settings | 15:43 |
| jubo2 | Sidde: I see | 15:44 |
| jubo2 | I was gonna leave the smtp username and password empty | 15:44 |
| jubo2 | but that did not work | 15:44 |
| jubo2 | How cannot has red asterisk to indicate required field | 15:44 |
| Sidde | there is plenty of weird behaviour in the email application | 15:44 |
| Sidde | but i got both my own imap server and my gmail to work over ssl/tls. And you need some terminal hacking to get the fullname instead of email adress displaying on your sent emails | 15:46 |
| chouchoune1 | 7how long does it take for an answer from care@ ? | 15:46 |
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| chouchoune1 | emailed 1 week ago and still no anszer for my "bricked" phone :( | 15:46 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: work-in-progress | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | CoderCandy: anything | 15:47 |
| Yaniel | err, chouchoune1 | 15:47 |
| Sidde | jubo2: i had first problem with the yandex store too. After registration nothing happened. After restarting the application it started working. Some downloads did not work so good though. | 15:48 |
| Sidde | jubo2: i recommend you instal the APK-files manually via the browser for examaple | 15:48 |
| Sidde | jubo2: use this for example to find the apk files: http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ | 15:48 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | they probably didn't expect that care get more emails than they have sold phones or something like that | 15:49 |
| mikma | sidde: ooh, nice url | 15:49 |
| chouchoune1 | HarhaanJohtaja: I don't know how many phones they have sold, but 1 week to reply to an email is quite long ! | 15:50 |
| chouchoune1 | even id everyone send you emails : you can at least read and send back a predefined answer depending on the context | 15:51 |
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| jubo2 | One moment the upgrade to somethingjärvi was running the next moment it's gone and I can't find it | 15:54 |
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| Nicd- | jubo2: it's the store app | 15:55 |
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| jubo2 | Nicd-: I'm in the Jolla store but there is nothing about the upgrade | 15:58 |
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| jubo2 | and why does the screen deactivate so fast when not fiddling with the UI | 15:58 |
| Nicd- | you can configure that in the settings | 15:58 |
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| jubo2 | Nicd-: it says "Turn off display: 2 minutes" | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | yet the screen turns off in 4-5 secs | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | My question is still.. What happened to the upgrade process | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | one moment it's there loading and then it's gone without passing through the "system was successfully updated, hit ok" | 16:00 |
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| zbenjamin | since the update i'm getting kicked out of SSH is there any known problem? | 16:03 |
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| jubo2 | In the screen with the clock on it.. | 16:04 |
| jubo2 | there are icons but tapping or swiping them does nothing | 16:05 |
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| jubo2 | one icon is the sailfish | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | swipe from the bottom of the screen | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | from below the bottom | 16:05 |
| jubo2 | which I gather stands for the software upgrade I'd like to get back to | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | they are notifications and you can access them in the notification view | 16:05 |
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| jubo2 | Nicd-: ah.. you solved it | 16:06 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: nifty idea that to put the touch sensor thing bigger then the physical display | 16:06 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: upgrade is downloading first and aftere that you have to pulley menu install by hand, then your device goes in to firmware upgrade | 16:25 |
| chem|st | jubo2: the screen only deactivates that fast if you do not interact e.g. quick look for time | 16:26 |
| jubo2 | the odd thing is that I run 2 times the upgrade to 1.0.3.8 | 16:29 |
| jubo2 | At least I think they were both for the same version | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | known issue | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | it will sometimes show you notifications for sys updates that you have already installed | 16:30 |
| Yaniel | ignore those | 16:30 |
| chem|st | jubo2: what version where you at before the upgrade? | 16:30 |
| chem|st | were | 16:30 |
| jubo2 | chem|st: I dunno | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: new phone? | 16:30 |
| jubo2 | The one I got 2 days ago when I did the 1st upgrade | 16:30 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | ah, the first one must have been 1.0.2.5 then | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | since 1.0.3.8 was released yesterday | 16:31 |
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| newin | so i've posted my probleim on https://together.jolla.com/ | 16:43 |
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| * cb400f browses in landscape mode, and there is much rejoicing | 16:53 | |
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| FireFly | Yeah, the updates to the browser are pretty neat! | 16:59 |
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| Gordon` | chouchoune1: did you manage to hard reset your phone? | 17:05 |
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| tango_ | the only thing I find a little annoying in the browser now is that the bar at the bottom doesn't automatically fade out | 17:08 |
| tango_ | it steals some precious screen estate in landscape mode | 17:08 |
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| FireFly | tango_: it does, if you scroll down | 17:15 |
| FireFly | same as in portrait mode | 17:15 |
| chem|st | tango_: single try and WFM | 17:15 |
| FireFly | scroll down → hides, scroll up → shows | 17:15 |
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| tango_ | FireFly: that's the problem. if I only want to see the first screenful of the page (e.g. youtube) I can't | 17:18 |
| tango_ | because I have to scroll down to let it hid, then back up to see the full video e _bam_ bar hiding the stupid thing | 17:19 |
| tango_ | s/hid/hide/ | 17:19 |
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| FireFly | Ah | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | so you can switch on lte | 17:34 |
| ggabriel | not sure it's too responsible.... | 17:34 |
| Nicd- | afaik jolla asked people not to | 17:34 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, but all you need is a bunch of idiots abusing it, an lte bug that affects the network and all our devices will be blacklisted | 17:35 |
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| Yaniel | now that would suck | 17:37 |
| leinir | hmm... so, apparently the ui still locks up completely if there is a problem with the connection | 17:37 |
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| SelinaBot | yo y'all | 18:38 |
| SelinaBot | s | 18:39 |
| SelinaBot | u | 18:39 |
| SelinaBot | c | 18:39 |
| SelinaBot | a | 18:39 |
| SelinaBot | 8:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::D | 18:39 |
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| Quu | fucking bots. | 18:40 |
| Quu | someone should ask freenode staff to join here and g-line these fuckers | 18:40 |
| tango_ | oh it's still here? | 18:47 |
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| Milo- | ah. these "00:00" length "videos" on the camera's picture viewer are actually just directories, but mistakenly identified as videos. | 18:49 |
| Milo- | no wonder they were unremovable | 18:50 |
| Quu | ha | 18:50 |
| Milo- | before the last update, you couldn't get any information regarding these files, so I couldn't get rid of them manually. | 18:51 |
| Milo- | now I know what's happening and what's the exact nature of this bug :) | 18:52 |
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| CvP | hello | 19:01 |
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| Quu | oh look, third update :p | 19:08 |
| Quu | damn these notifications | 19:08 |
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| clau | Quu, are you getting update notifications for 1.0.3.8, *after* you have installed it? :| | 19:35 |
| Quu | yes | 19:35 |
| Quu | ~2 times today | 19:35 |
| Quu | and installed it 2 times yesterday :p | 19:35 |
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| clau | I keep getting notifications for Webcat, but that's it. | 19:37 |
| clau | although, while on 1.0.2.5 I got system update notifications too. quite a lot of them. | 19:37 |
| Quu | yeah, i think it was supposed to be fixed | 19:38 |
| Quu | someone said the notification appears when Jolla-dudes change stuff on servers | 19:38 |
| Quu | update packages etc | 19:38 |
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| mikma | quu: which actually makes sense | 19:41 |
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| tango_ | is there a barcode/qmatrix reader for jolla? | 19:50 |
| tuomasjjrasanen | tango_: why not use barcode-scanner Android-app? | 19:51 |
| Raim | tango_: have not seen one yet | 19:52 |
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| Raim | tuomasjjrasanen: barcode-scanner for Android works, but does not integrate with other applications. for example when scanning contact data, WiFi encryption keys, etc. | 19:53 |
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| tango_ | tuomasjjrasanen: because I would like to use to e.g. open websites in the native browsers | 19:59 |
| tango_ | can it do that? | 19:59 |
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| RoKenn | tango_: yes, I installed the zxing barcode scanner and when I scan a product barcode it opens the builtin web browser with a search for that product | 20:02 |
| RoKenn | but i didn't try qr codes or anything like that | 20:02 |
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| nathrakh | It feels like 1.0.3.8 with tohd enabled still uses noticeably more power | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | didn't notice this | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | over night it used only 1% of battery | 20:13 |
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| nathrakh | now that I think about it, it's been 17 hours since I recharged and currently @ 75% :-) | 20:20 |
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| tango_ | well if that's noticeable more power for you, I wonder how much you were seeing before. | 20:21 |
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| nathrakh | yes, I was wrong | 20:22 |
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| nathrakh | guess I'm just trying to find problems thinking it's beta. I need to drop this mindset | 20:22 |
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| Mr_K_ | hi | 20:54 |
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| Mr_K_ | after the update, the android applications don't work | 20:55 |
| Mr_K_ | ? | 20:55 |
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| Raim | Mr_K_: works for me | 21:00 |
| Pnuu | Mr_K_: wait | 21:00 |
| Pnuu | oh, and check release notes from together.j | 21:01 |
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| Abby30 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 21:34 |
| Eztran | Oh, for... | 21:34 |
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| Eztran | Access stats say... about 10 people hit the link since that post. | 21:36 |
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| Quu | oh god | 21:38 |
| CoderCandy | Soo | 21:40 |
| CoderCandy | my phone is all black when I try to wake it | 21:40 |
| CoderCandy | It happens from time to time | 21:40 |
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| CoderCandy | (The display lights up but is all black) | 21:40 |
| CoderCandy | I have ssh-access | 21:40 |
| Quu | that sounds new | 21:40 |
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| CoderCandy | Sometimes | 21:41 |
| CoderCandy | spamming the lock button works | 21:41 |
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| CoderCandy | Sometimes I have to reboot | 21:41 |
| CoderCandy | This feels like a reboot-moment | 21:41 |
| CoderCandy | And I sortof don't want to reboot due to my jolla working as a USB modem atm | 21:42 |
| Eztran | Maybe restart lipstick? | 21:42 |
| CoderCandy | lipstick? | 21:42 |
| CoderCandy | lipstick.service that is? | 21:42 |
| Eztran | Yeah... Can't say I'm any kind of expert on this, but it does run the homescreen, etc., and shouldn't stop networking if you restart it. | 21:43 |
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| Quu | Aard: dingdong, apply ban to "abby30", spams bit.ly porn-urls | 21:43 |
| slate | Dont u like nudity? | 21:43 |
| Eztran | Quu: I just keep watching the stats after each one. People hit the links! | 21:43 |
| Quu | i bet they do | 21:44 |
| CoderCandy | Oooh | 21:44 |
| Aard | Quu: where? | 21:44 |
| CoderCandy | Eztran, killing lipstick trough ssh and then pressing power button made led flash green rapidly and then suddenly worked | 21:45 |
| Eztran | Huh. OK. | 21:45 |
| CoderCandy | (The touch interface works even though the screen is black, I can use the pulley menu from the lock screen for example) | 21:45 |
| CoderCandy | I can't see it, but I hear the sounds | 21:46 |
| Eztran | That is pretty weird. | 21:46 |
| slate | I got that rapid green blinking today also | 21:46 |
| slate | before that phone went to charging-state without charger | 21:46 |
| slate | then rebooted. | 21:46 |
| slate | Then everything was back to normal | 21:46 |
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| CoderCandy | Anyway | 21:49 |
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| CoderCandy | Now that my phone is back to normal I can download some torrents... | 21:49 |
| CoderCandy | (I have to send a text every 500mb to get more data traffic) | 21:49 |
| Eztran | Interesting system. | 21:50 |
| tigeli | :D | 21:51 |
| Sail0r | you can script that on jolla ^^ | 21:51 |
| CoderCandy | Eztran, nah, I'm buying more data traffic with the text. | 21:51 |
| CoderCandy | I've used up all my traffic this month by far | 21:51 |
| CoderCandy | But this is a... special month | 21:51 |
| CoderCandy | NO WAIT | 21:52 |
| Eztran | Got your Jolla? :) | 21:52 |
| CoderCandy | It's february! | 21:52 |
| CoderCandy | Yah, it's currently sharing it's connection trough iptables and USB | 21:52 |
| Quu | CoderCandy: shh, dont hilight special, he be very mad | 21:52 |
| special | :< | 21:52 |
| Quu | uh oh | 21:53 |
| tigeli | special special :D | 21:53 |
| Eztran | poor special gets highlighted every 10 seconds :D | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | I shouldn't have to buy more traffic for this torrent! | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | ... Well, that's what you get for having a common word as nick | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | "SHHH don't highlight common!" | 21:53 |
| Quu | ;D | 21:53 |
| Eztran | Also, poor Nick. | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | Wow | 21:54 |
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| CoderCandy | My speed just peaked at 650kB/sec | 21:54 |
| CoderCandy | Not bad, not bad at all! | 21:54 |
| tigeli | is that a lot? | 21:54 |
| CoderCandy | My old phone peaked at... 25kB/sec I think | 21:54 |
| CoderCandy | Yah, it's 3G | 21:54 |
| CoderCandy | trough jolla | 21:54 |
| Eztran | 5.2Mbps. | 21:55 |
| Eztran | So yeah, 3G. | 21:55 |
| CoderCandy | Btw, did this update do some 4G stuff? | 21:55 |
| Eztran | Nope. | 21:55 |
| CoderCandy | Oh well | 21:55 |
| tigeli | I've done ~100Mbps downstream with my jolla ;) | 21:56 |
| CoderCandy | I'm not gonna hack-enable the unstable 4G thing anyway :P | 21:56 |
| Eztran | Can only assume they really, really don't want bugs in their 4G implementation. Which is fair enough. | 21:56 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, they've had quite a bit of bugs to deal with already | 21:56 |
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| slate | does jolla support dc-hsdpa? | 21:57 |
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| CoderCandy | 720kB/sec! | 21:57 |
| tigeli | well.. lte is a _special_ case. What I've seen some operators tend to break their lte-networks on weekly basis | 21:57 |
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| tigeli | slate: yes | 21:57 |
| Sail0r | battery consumption on 4g is also heavy at the moment | 21:57 |
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| CoderCandy | Sail0r, I don't really care about battery consumption atm, as long as it's not > what the USB-port on my lappy can manage. | 21:58 |
| CoderCandy | I think I busted my dataplan... goddamit | 21:59 |
| Sail0r | You should test that because 4g is really heavy | 21:59 |
| CoderCandy | How do I test it? | 21:59 |
| tigeli | well, so is umts | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 21:59 |
| Sail0r | everybody recommends to be connected to a charger ^^ | 21:59 |
| CoderCandy | Is there a battery-testing app? | 21:59 |
| Sail0r | there is a app in store where you can see battery consumption | 21:59 |
| Armadillo | Stskeeps did you hav fun @ fosdem? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | Armadillo: still here but yeah, so far | 22:00 |
| CoderCandy | Sail0r, yeah, I would if I didn't need to use USB-data | 22:00 |
| CoderCandy | And... at my current location the prospect of getting a powered USB-hub are slim. | 22:00 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: did anyone "film" your presentation? | 22:02 |
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| CoderCandy | uhm, I have negative powerconsumption.... | 22:02 |
| CoderCandy | I guess that means charging? | 22:02 |
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| slate | 1+1=2 | 22:02 |
| slate | ;) | 22:02 |
| tigeli | CoderCandy: yes | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: yes | 22:02 |
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| CoderCandy | well, I lost usb-net for some reason. Had to reinsert cable | 22:04 |
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| nander | Hi | 22:31 |
| Yaniel | hi | 22:31 |
| nander | My phone isn't terribly cold anymore ;) | 22:31 |
| Yaniel | :D | 22:31 |
| Yaniel | what did you do? | 22:32 |
| nander | I dunno, it started using more power | 22:32 |
| nander | Probably because I turned mitakuuluu on | 22:32 |
| Yaniel | ah | 22:32 |
| Yaniel | man this thing lends itself to terrible puns | 22:32 |
| nander | I used a staggering 24% so far | 22:32 |
| nander | 09:00 - 23:33 in 24% | 22:33 |
| nander | Including two phonecalls, one 30 minutes, one 3 minutes | 22:33 |
| Eztran | Turning out pretty decent for battery life now that bug's gone, huh. | 22:33 |
| nander | 2 days and a bit on normal usage | 22:33 |
| nander | That's with both wifi and 3G on | 22:34 |
| nander | But not that much high-cpu activity | 22:34 |
| nander | I did notice something paculiar though | 22:34 |
| Yaniel | "you'll have to pry the photos from my cold jolla" | 22:34 |
| nander | I know that on one location two wifi-networks collide in frequency | 22:34 |
| nander | And my jolla is unable to connect to the one I want to connect to, but does use a lot of power somehow | 22:35 |
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| nander | Failing to connect seems to cost a lot | 22:35 |
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| nander | (continuously failing) | 22:35 |
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| nickg__ | hey, I updated to the new version of Sailfish and now my phone reboots during phone conversations. Has anyone else experienced this? | 23:07 |
| cvp | hey | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | nickg__: shut down phone, pull battery out for 10 minutes, put it back in, turn on again | 23:09 |
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| nickg__ | I just had another call just now and it complained it was too hot and would shut itself down | 23:13 |
| nickg__ | and then shut itself down | 23:13 |
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| nickg__ | Stskeeps: thanks, I'm trying that now | 23:17 |
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| chouchoune1 | Gordon`: no | 23:21 |
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| Gordon` | chouchoune1: erf :( | 23:28 |
| ghrael | hello | 23:29 |
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| nander | Too hot? | 23:31 |
| nander | Mine gets too cold if anything | 23:31 |
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| nander | It seems build quality differs highly? | 23:31 |
| cvp | hmm have someone probems with payed apps? , some working some not... | 23:32 |
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| Quu | cvp: it downloads them to diffrent folder and cant (probably) install them from there | 23:32 |
| cvp | android | 23:32 |
| nander | paid apps? | 23:32 |
| cvp | is there solution online ? | 23:33 |
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| Quu | you need to rename the something.download file to .apk and install it | 23:34 |
| Quu | but i cant remember how/what/when/where | 23:34 |
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| cvp | hmmm | 23:35 |
| Quu | its appsec or something similar | 23:35 |
| Quu | the folder. | 23:36 |
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| cvp | ok i try to search the file and here are the parts 1) /data/app/*.apk .......2) /data/data/ ........ 3) /usr/share/applications/*.dekstop .........4) /var/lib/apkd/*.png | 23:41 |
| cvp | and /data/data/ have no permission to read the dicretory | 23:42 |
| nander | devel-su? | 23:42 |
| Quu | cvp: /data/app-private/ | 23:43 |
| Quu | vmdl-numbers.tmp | 23:43 |
| Quu | are the files you tried to download | 23:43 |
| Quu | someone said that renaming them to .apk allows them to be installed | 23:43 |
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| Quu | im bit too drunk to use brain properly. | 23:44 |
| cvp | but in app-private there are no files inside | 23:44 |
| Quu | oh. hmm. | 23:44 |
| cvp | lol ^^ | 23:44 |
| Quu | thats where my paid apps seems to appear | 23:44 |
| Quu | try app-asec or whatever | 23:44 |
| Quu | it might have changed with latest update tho | 23:45 |
| cvp | no permission | 23:45 |
| cvp | ok i try over ssh | 23:45 |
| Quu | use devel-su :p | 23:45 |
| Quu | thats probably why they cant be installed/renamed/something | 23:45 |
| Quu | needs more permissions | 23:45 |
| cvp | jup i check this | 23:47 |
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| cvp | ah ok there is the one app | 23:51 |
| cvp | in app-privat | 23:51 |
| Quu | rename it to something.apk and move it to place where the .apk's live their lives | 23:52 |
| cvp | ah no i am wrong | 23:52 |
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| cvp | my eye lies me :D | 23:53 |
| Quu | thats typica | 23:53 |
| Quu | l | 23:53 |
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