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| Abby22 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 00:45 |
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| slate | Interesting, device wont sleep wont powerbutton | 06:30 |
| slate | if swiped down to sleep, it wakes up after 0.5sec | 06:30 |
| slate | :) | 06:30 |
| slate | But shutdown worked from the button .. | 06:31 |
| slate | wont sleep from* | 06:31 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks - red flashing light of death here. Second time. Doesn't want to come back this time. | 07:52 |
| msknight | It has gone to that great mobile graveyard in the sky. | 07:52 |
| msknight | Any advice please? | 07:52 |
| msknight | here's my last blog post on the Jolla for anyone who is interested - http://msknight.com/technilife/?cat=10 | 07:53 |
| msknight | Bye! | 07:53 |
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| Pnuu | well, bye.. | 07:56 |
| tbr | wtf... | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: yep, I'm doing a weechat relay client | 08:20 |
| Nicd- | no promises about dev speed though | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | you can help if you want :) | 08:21 |
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| Nicd- | currently I'm just starting by looking at SSL sockets | 08:23 |
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| skn | /away | 08:24 |
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| Yaniel | well communi seems perfectly fine so far | 08:26 |
| Yaniel | but I'll take a look once you have something up and running | 08:27 |
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| Nicd- | communi, as in a local client? | 08:27 |
| Yaniel | yes | 08:27 |
| Nicd- | ok | 08:27 |
| Nicd- | that's not even an option for me, that's why I'm writing this :P | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | I set up my remote weechat as a bouncer | 08:28 |
| Nicd- | fingerterm is nice and all but I feel still not as good as a native UI could be | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | yep | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | and can't use system IMEs | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | which I need every now and then | 08:29 |
| Yaniel | also notifications are nice | 08:29 |
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| Sail0r | A alien dalvik restart app appeared @openrepos https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/alien-dalvik-restart | 08:36 |
| Sail0r | but it's not a big deal | 08:40 |
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| Sail0r | only a simple bash script with an icon | 08:40 |
| Acce | If there was ssh+screen+irssi parsing support in communi, it would be perfect software | 08:41 |
| Sail0r | ? | 08:42 |
| Acce | I mean, instead of being just a local IRC client | 08:42 |
| Sail0r | use a bouncer :x | 08:42 |
| Acce | it would allow connecting to a remote screen+irssi session | 08:42 |
| Acce | :o | 08:42 |
| Yaniel | irssi should be fine as a bouncer | 08:42 |
| * Acce goes find information | 08:43 | |
| Yaniel | it even doubles as a cli client | 08:43 |
| Quu | yuup | 08:43 |
| Sail0r | https://pthree.org/2007/01/06/irssi-proxy/ | 08:43 |
| Quu | or weechat with webgui or something | 08:43 |
| Quu | its horrible, but works | 08:43 |
| Yaniel | weechat has the same thing, it just calls it relay | 08:43 |
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| Nicd- | though weechat relay is not the same as irssiproxy | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | weechat is more flexible, irssiproxy just works as a bouncer | 08:45 |
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| Yaniel | weechat relay.irc is exactly the same | 08:45 |
| Nicd- | yep, but there's the other relay type which I'm looking at | 08:46 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 08:46 |
| Yaniel | the buffer sync | 08:46 |
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| Acce | is there an rpm build for communi somewhere? | 08:53 |
| Sail0r | yes | 08:53 |
| Acce | and thanks for enlightening me about the IRC bouncers | 08:53 |
| Sail0r | https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/releases/tag/v0.1-rc | 08:54 |
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| AL13N_work | what is communi? | 08:54 |
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| Sail0r | native irc client | 08:55 |
| Yaniel | btw does connman support hashes for passwords? | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | for sailfish | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | not for me Yaniel | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | all passwords are in cleartext | 08:55 |
| Yaniel | :( | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | you can't ever have hashes for passwords, guys.. | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | something has to send the plaintext password to the AP | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:56 |
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| Sail0r | but you cannot read them as nemo | 08:56 |
| Sail0r | only root has access to the configs | 08:56 |
| Acce | Sail0r thanks :) and thanks to communi devs if they're listening! | 08:56 |
| Sail0r | they are listening in #communi ;) | 08:56 |
| Yaniel | then why does the arch wiki recommend storing md4 hashes instead of plaintext? | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/PlainTextPasswords | 08:58 |
| Yaniel | well that is netctl but anyway | 08:58 |
| Sail0r | have a look at /usr/lib/connman for me all dirs with pws are drwx------ 1 root root 38 Jan 28 22:09 wifi_ | 08:59 |
| Sail0r | */var/lib/connman sry | 08:59 |
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| Tofe | Sail0r: I was thinking of doing some sort of start/stop/restart systemd services, but I was wondering how to get priviledged access to systemctl; the TMO page is quite interesting in that way | 08:59 |
| pp | there are some awful hacks but in the end the hashed password is as good as the real one :-) | 08:59 |
| Yaniel | same here Sail0r | 08:59 |
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| Sail0r | do you have a link Tofe? | 09:00 |
| Tofe | Sail0r: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92545 | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | thx | 09:00 |
| Tofe | of course the sudoers hack is not good enough IMHO | 09:01 |
| Sail0r | invoking restarts via dbus is not possible i presume? | 09:01 |
| tbr | dsmetool -b | 09:01 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: that doesn't mean jolla couldn't support keyrings for storing wifi passwords ;) (and other passwords) | 09:01 |
| Tofe | well, at some point you need priviledges, so either you run as root or you get authorization for doing specific stuff | 09:02 |
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| Sail0r | I think hashing the pw in connman does not help anything. On most homerouters the pws are also stored in plaintext ^^ | 09:02 |
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| Sail0r | look at dd-wrt they even sent your wlan pw via plain http ^^ | 09:02 |
| Sail0r | a global keyring would be very cool, also to store some pws in the browser | 09:03 |
| Tofe | Sail0r: what would unlock that keyring ? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: that i somewhat i agree with, yes | 09:04 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: Sail0r: i was working on an app wrt systemd management, and via DBUS it's possible as nemo to have impact | 09:04 |
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| AL13N_work | but i'm kinda stuck atm | 09:04 |
| Tofe | AL13N_work: ah great, less work for me ^^ | 09:04 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: Sail0r: perhaps we should join together and i should put up my code on a git someplace? | 09:04 |
| Sail0r | device lock code for example @Tofe? Or like on OSx and Gnome a extra password | 09:04 |
| Tofe | AL13N_work: could be a good idea, we could help a bit yes | 09:05 |
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| Sail0r | sounds good AL13N_work | 09:05 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: Sail0r: github is ok? or prefer something else? | 09:05 |
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| Sail0r | github is prefect | 09:05 |
| Tofe | Sail0r: extra pwd looks better, pin code is too short | 09:05 |
| Tofe | github is perfect | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | yes you are right @ tofe but maybe as an option | 09:06 |
| AL13N_work | ok, send your account names as PM to AL13N user, i can do it when i get home, ok? | 09:06 |
| Tofe | yep, ok | 09:06 |
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| Sail0r | done :) | 09:07 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: you could help by figuring out a name for my weechat relay pap | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | app* | 09:09 |
| Nicd- | names are the hardest part | 09:09 |
| Sail0r | wee2gether ;) | 09:09 |
| Yaniel | something about chat, sailing and relay.. | 09:09 |
| Tofe | done too | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | how about: WeeChat Relay Client for Sailfish | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | you can see how imaginative I am | 09:10 |
| Yaniel | short form WRCS | 09:10 |
| Yaniel | why not | 09:10 |
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| Sail0r | sounds like the old video "Finding a name for Windows Server 2008" | 09:11 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 09:11 |
| Nicd- | because then people would think it's a rally game | 09:11 |
| AL13N_work | WeeChatRelay | 09:11 |
| Tofe | WorldRallyChampionShip ? | 09:11 |
| AL13N_work | or WeeRChat | 09:11 |
| AL13N_work | WeeRC | 09:12 |
| AL13N_work | WeeCRap | 09:12 |
| Sail0r | rofl | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | :DD | 09:12 |
| Tofe | lol | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | WeeCRApp, yes | 09:12 |
| AL13N_work | Wee Chat Relay APp | 09:12 |
| AL13N_work | WeeCRAP | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | I wonder if that name would be allowed by harbour | 09:12 |
| AL13N_work | sure | 09:12 |
| Tofe | worth a try | 09:13 |
| AL13N_work | call it WeeC.R.AP. | 09:13 |
| ar | why would you use weechat, when there's irssi? | 09:13 |
| AL13N_work | hahaha | 09:13 |
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| Nicd- | ar: because weechat is better obviously :P | 09:13 |
| Acce | you would need to check the adult content only checkbox at harbour | 09:13 |
| ar | Nicd-: except it isn't :< | 09:13 |
| Yaniel | weec.r.a.p xD | 09:13 |
| Sail0r | Nice now my connman is completly f***ed | 09:13 |
| Nicd- | ar: has been so far for me | 09:13 |
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| Tofe | why use a weechat relay, when there's znc ? | 09:14 |
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| Tofe | ah, yes, text mode :p | 09:14 |
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| Sail0r | I hope there will be a connman update in 1.0.3.3 | 09:16 |
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| pp | -<location href="core/armv7hl/connman-1.15-1.1.1.armv7hl.rpm"/> | 09:18 |
| pp | +<location href="core/armv7hl/connman-1.15+git23-1.2.1.armv7hl.rpm"/> | 09:18 |
| * pp whistles innocently | 09:18 | |
| AL13N_work | heh | 09:18 |
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| AL13N_work | i hope the next connman will actually work better wrt to DNS from IPv6 though | 09:19 |
| AL13N_work | but, i need to fix my wlan issues first at home | 09:19 |
| Sail0r | actual on the phone is connman-1.15+git23-1.9.1.armv7hl looks good ;) | 09:19 |
| Sail0r | dhcpv6 would also nice to support correctly ;) | 09:20 |
| Sail0r | deleting and adding the wlan everytime I have to use ipv6 is very uncool | 09:20 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 09:20 |
| AL13N_work | well, i don't need dhcpv6, i got radvd | 09:20 |
| Sail0r | I am in enterprises where ipv6 is heavily used | 09:20 |
| AL13N_work | but the RRDNS entry isn't used | 09:20 |
| Sail0r | and many of them use dhcpv6 | 09:20 |
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| AL13N_work | i wonder why, when you have radvd | 09:21 |
| Sail0r | the only problem at the moment with ipv6 which heavily affects dhcpv6 | 09:21 |
| flux | radvd doesn't give DNS information? | 09:21 |
| flux | nor other parameters one can pass over dhcp | 09:21 |
| Sail0r | is duplicate address detection | 09:21 |
| Sail0r | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/commit/?id=508526d3eb5d1013e6dfb6be0f178c1b6961a4fb | 09:22 |
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| Sail0r | they use dhcpv6 mainly to provide tftp / ntp and wins servers | 09:25 |
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| AL13N_work | flux: yes it does | 09:46 |
| AL13N_work | flux: but, jolla(connman) doesn't honor the RRDNS servers :-( | 09:47 |
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| Sail0r | interesting because it should be fixed in connman 1.13 | 09:52 |
| Sail0r | according to their git | 09:52 |
| Sail0r | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/commit/?id=75026d7e1c1e95dcbcfaa7d05bc5787da084f4e9 | 09:53 |
| Sail0r | ok it's even way before 1.13 | 09:53 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 10:09 |
| Sail0r | hi | 10:09 |
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| Andy80 | I did read somewhere that an update for SailfishOS was expected for the end of January. Is it still confirmed? | 10:10 |
| Pnuu | expected, but not promised | 10:11 |
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| goroboro | favourite question on #jollamobile this week :) | 10:14 |
| Tofe | They could maybe put in place a Windows95-like ETA progress bar ? would be totally inaccurate, but we would at least have some numbers to look at ^^ | 10:14 |
| goroboro | lol | 10:14 |
| Sail0r | lol | 10:14 |
| Pnuu | random-walk progress bar \o/ | 10:15 |
| Sail0r | but it must be a green bar, because green is for hope :x | 10:15 |
| * goroboro wonders how quickly he could put together the sailfish-update-progress-bar app :) | 10:15 | |
| Acce | ETA 90000000 seconds... <- still got it in xp :) | 10:15 |
| Tofe | yup, and it would reach 100% on 31st January, and then it would continue with 101%, and so on... | 10:16 |
| goroboro | 10 seconds remaining... 3 days remaining... 5 minutes remaining... 8 days remaining... | 10:16 |
| Acce | you could make a statistic model of the update frequency and use that to estimate | 10:16 |
| Tofe | Acce: next update December 25th | 10:17 |
| goroboro | that sounds way complicated... just randomize... | 10:17 |
| goroboro | if we create an app like this... it may reduce the frequency that people ask when the next update is due on this channel | 10:18 |
| Acce | lol | 10:18 |
| Tofe | true enough | 10:18 |
| goroboro | of course... a load of bugs will be submitted against the app | 10:18 |
| Acce | it might also make people blame jolla for not keeping their promises | 10:19 |
| Acce | "this update is never coming!" | 10:19 |
| Tofe | that one is easy, just put "Unofficial Non Answer App" in the title | 10:19 |
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| goroboro | heh | 10:19 |
| Sail0r | lol | 10:20 |
| Acce | unofficiality ftw | 10:20 |
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| Sail0r | They should better take their time with the update than releasing a broken ones ;) | 10:21 |
| goroboro | problem with these updates is that bug fixes are never that exciting... so probably most ppl are going to be disappointed when the update finally comes out | 10:22 |
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| Tofe | depends on the bug | 10:22 |
| goroboro | true true | 10:22 |
| goroboro | in a month... I doubt that we're going to see major changes | 10:22 |
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| Sail0r | If my phone no longer crashes because it's trying to reconnect every second to a network I will not be disappointed | 10:23 |
| salami` | is there some way to force mail updates more frequently since exchange/activesync push does not work? | 10:23 |
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| goroboro | Sail0r: weird I don't seem to have this issue at all | 10:23 |
| goroboro | salami`: isn't there a setting in Settings->Apps->Email | 10:24 |
| Sail0r | I have it every few weeks sometimes with wlan sometimes with mobile network | 10:24 |
| goroboro | mmm I've only had my phone for a few weeks... so haven't noticed it yet | 10:25 |
| skvark | how long is the queue currently at Harbour? week? | 10:25 |
| Sail0r | It keeps reconnecting so fast so it's completly stuck with displaying "Problem with the connection" and no reaction to power button at all | 10:25 |
| Sail0r | only taking out the battery helps | 10:25 |
| Sail0r | 48 hours | 10:26 |
| Sail0r | says the harbour website | 10:26 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 10:26 |
| salami` | goroboro: its at 5 minutes currently but sometimes my mail does not update for 4hours ro so | 10:26 |
| salami` | and I'm always connected via 3g | 10:26 |
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| skvark | Sail0r: yeah but I submitted an app 2 days ago so 48h doesn't sound right | 10:31 |
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| Wnt | Sail0r: that "Estimated hours for approval 48" is mock data | 10:33 |
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| goroboro | salami`: don't know what the problem is... must admit that the mail app could do with some serious improvement | 10:33 |
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| goroboro | Wnt: sort of like the "Unofficial Non Answer App" | 10:34 |
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| goroboro | the harbour queue question is the second most favourite question in channel | 10:35 |
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| goroboro | we could use the same progress bar app for that | 10:35 |
| goroboro | just put a different title on it... two apps for the price of one | 10:36 |
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| Tofe | goroboro: there's definitely a market niche to fill here | 10:44 |
| Acce | how about we combine them into one app? "The Estimator" | 10:45 |
| Tofe | I'll see tonight if I can sketch up something. No promise on release date, at least not before the first version ;) | 10:45 |
| Acce | user just types in what they want an eta for | 10:46 |
| Tegu | ETA for: Half Life 3 | 10:46 |
| Acce | then we show nice animation and text "consulting cosmic spirits..." | 10:46 |
| goroboro | Acce: but that means leass apps on jolla store | 10:46 |
| Tofe | Acce: "contacting NSA server..." | 10:46 |
| goroboro | we can build a visual basic application to trace the ip address and submit it to the NSA server | 10:47 |
| Acce | hmm quality or numbers, which is better | 10:48 |
| Tofe | "resolving Navier-Stokes approximation..." | 10:48 |
| Acce | we could make server with list of loading texts, or just random generator for the texts too | 10:48 |
| Tofe | Acce: I think we definitely need numebrs first here | 10:48 |
| Acce | if we had a server, it would look like were actually connecting somewhee and we could easily add more content | 10:49 |
| rcg | Nicd-, jfyi, the shutdown issue vanished so far after i plugged the phone to a charger again | 10:49 |
| rcg | Nicd-, and, yes, it was charged before (~67%) ;) | 10:50 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, does anyone know if there's anything going on with the app submission process at the jolla store? | 11:32 |
| wickwire | 48h + delays on checking submitted apps, something like that...? | 11:32 |
| tbr | yes, there is some sort of backend maintenance or something | 11:34 |
| Sail0r | maybe because of the new release | 11:34 |
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| mornfall | wickwire: 5 days is normal | 11:58 |
| mornfall | the stats page is pretty bogus | 11:58 |
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| jubo2 | A question re NFC: Can I have it turned off, do I have that freedom ? | 12:01 |
| wickwire | ok guys, thanks for the feedback | 12:01 |
| Jope | jubo2 turn it off if you like | 12:02 |
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| jubo2 | I still think the best solution for the NFC rights is to keep it listening in RX mode all the time, allow whitelisted apps to prompt the user if you wanna run the NFC app / go to TX and TX can be turned on for 5 seconds or more with a gesture | 12:03 |
| jubo2 | no pocket swiping threat. actually you can log any swiping attempt if the NFC is in RX only mode | 12:03 |
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| ggabriel | jubo2: you can still do damage in "rx" mode only | 12:04 |
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| ggabriel | if there is a bug somewhere, that is | 12:04 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: I was not aware of that | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | well, rx mode is smartcard simulation, right? | 12:04 |
| jubo2 | no.. it's active | 12:04 |
| jubo2 | there are 3 classes | 12:04 |
| jubo2 | #1 active device #2 passive device and #3 transponder | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | i think #1 and #2 have to rx/tx anyway | 12:05 |
| jubo2 | Best think NOK ever dunn was to introduce the transponder to NFC | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | otherwise it isn't nfc | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | i personally switch it off until i need it | 12:05 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: tnx for the info | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: you know how to do it, right? | 12:05 |
| jubo2 | I can turn it on if I wish to use it | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: also, the antenna is so small that it only gets to the other half ;-) | 12:06 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: I've been using Linux on-and-off since '96 | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | i tried it with a reader | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: i mean in the jolla (smartctl stop thod.service) | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | '96 was a very bad time for linux :P | 12:06 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: now I know 'smarctl stop thod.service' | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: s/smartctl/systemctl/ | 12:07 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: yeah Linux used to such ass on desktop till the mid 00's | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | sorry, been playing with har ddrives lately | 12:07 |
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| jubo2 | I store that command in nano | 12:07 |
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| jubo2 | To turn NFC chip off run command: 'systemctl stop thod.service' saved in nano thanks | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | nw | 12:09 |
| ln- | with the typo? | 12:09 |
| Jope | tohd | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: also: s/thod/tohd/ | 12:09 |
| jubo2 | I hear there are devices for sale at the nearby DNA Shop.. | 12:10 |
| jubo2 | I go there today to try out the Jolla yks-piste-nolla | 12:11 |
| jubo2 | or more like yks-piste-jotain-piste-jotain .. | 12:12 |
| jubo2 | Does it have Deezer app or Spotify app ? | 12:12 |
| pp | android spotify works well | 12:12 |
| jubo2 | 'k tnx pp | 12:12 |
| jubo2 | I'ma switch to Deezer when I have an app for them and have lyrics applets | 12:13 |
| Sail0r | cutespotify is also a native app | 12:14 |
| Sail0r | https://openrepos.net/content/elleo/cutespotify | 12:14 |
| Tofe | wow, I just saw the communi video on youtube, it's very impressive | 12:16 |
| Sail0r | download it and use it :) | 12:17 |
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| Tofe | They should add the license to a COPYING file | 12:22 |
| Tofe | I'll create an issue point for them :) | 12:22 |
| vatte | I want to use the communi interface over ssh and screen :) | 12:24 |
| jubo2 | Arr! Arr! Eyr'es some rhum Sail0r | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | :P | 12:24 |
| vatte | glugglugg | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | without rum it is only half so funny :x | 12:24 |
| vatte | so what I need is som kind of responsive design irc client! | 12:25 |
| Tegu | something that can show/hide info on the fly (e.g. joins/parts/quits etc) | 12:25 |
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| jubo2 | So I like Linux I like Finlan .. | 12:27 |
| jubo2 | Don't like GOOG, MSFT, AAPL nor Sam sung | 12:27 |
| jubo2 | How is the calendar utilities in the phone? | 12:28 |
| salami` | its okay | 12:28 |
| salami` | I have some problem with activesync/exchange meetings | 12:28 |
| salami` | problems* | 12:28 |
| jubo2 | I am going to need to be able to access my calendar with phone _and_ computer | 12:28 |
| jubo2 | I assume there is an Android dictionary app that's gonna enable me to read the menu at our local joint in St Piter | 12:30 |
| jubo2 | That one app where you shoot ideograms with urr phone and it floats the translations next to the cangjie | 12:31 |
| Sail0r | you don't like google and use android apps? ;) | 12:31 |
| jubo2 | I though that was an original idea of mine but as I found out here it's been done already | 12:31 |
| jubo2 | Opposing Googel is like opposing MSFT in the 80's and 90's | 12:32 |
| jubo2 | too dominant market position | 12:32 |
| mornfall | jubo2: which is why it needs to be done | 12:33 |
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| mornfall | jubo2: calendar looks nice, but is kinda basic... also, no two way caldav yet | 12:34 |
| * goroboro thinks that in opposition to google glass... jolla should make Sailfish EyePatch :D | 12:34 | |
| mornfall | goroboro: :D | 12:34 |
| jubo2 | mornfall: onoes! | 12:34 |
| jubo2 | it does not sync with other..please tell me it will sync with my Debian7 | 12:35 |
| mornfall | jubo2: we are all impatiently waiting for an update ;-) | 12:35 |
| mornfall | jubo2: what do you mean, sync with debian/ | 12:35 |
| mornfall | there's zillion packages in debian | 12:35 |
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| jubo2 | I need no fancy thing | 12:36 |
| mornfall | it'll probably sync to a cloud, sooner or later | 12:36 |
| jubo2 | I just want to use normal kbrd to edit entries in my digital calendar | 12:36 |
| mornfall | about a PC, I have no idea | 12:36 |
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| mornfall | jubo2: there's an evolution sync thingy on openrepos I think | 12:36 |
| mornfall | I don't know if desktop organizers can run caldav servers these days. | 12:37 |
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| * goroboro personally hates storing data in 'the cloud'... especially PIM stuff | 12:40 | |
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| goroboro | unless I am running 'the cloud' service, of course... | 12:41 |
| ottulo | that Freia looks awfully lot like Marabou | 12:42 |
| mornfall | goroboro: owncloud comes to mind | 12:43 |
| ottulo | http://daimilusllc.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/marabouchoklad.jpg | 12:43 |
| ottulo | ack | 12:43 |
| ottulo | sorry, I was even on the wrong network this time -_-" | 12:43 |
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| mornfall | goroboro: but google calendar was such an ingenious invention... everyone scrambles to infer stuff about people, google revolutionised the field by just asking directly for everything :-) | 12:45 |
| mornfall | goroboro: and the VM cloud is another such thing, you get full access to the entire RAM of all VMs... extremely lovable if you have a data addiction | 12:45 |
| goroboro | indeed... all this stuff freaks me out... | 12:46 |
| goroboro | I like privacy | 12:46 |
| mornfall | there's probably also a reason to the saying, opportunity makes a thief | 12:47 |
| goroboro | sadly... my day job entails working on the development of a cloud-based VM product :/ | 12:48 |
| mornfall | it's a huge market ... and well, what could *possibly* go wrong | 12:48 |
| goroboro | heh... indeed | 12:49 |
| mornfall | “Initial investigations show that the attack was made via hypervisor through the hosting provider and not via any vulnerability in the OS configuration,” OpenSSL has since written on their site. “Steps have been taken to protect against this means of attack in future.” | 12:50 |
| pp | Android apps leaking stuff like plaintext imeis being a small problem... Unless you're the NSA, in which case they're a wonderful feature :P | 12:51 |
| mornfall | pp: you can rest assured that the imei of your phone is linked to your physical identity | 12:52 |
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| mornfall | also, changing imei's is illegal in most (all?) western countries... for your safety, of course :) | 12:53 |
| jubo2 | Is there a Jolla phone specs page somewhere ? | 12:53 |
| mornfall | it's not like you could shoot people with an imei-changed phone... | 12:54 |
| Pnuu | jubo2: try jolla.com :-P | 12:54 |
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| jubo2 | or search engine of choice.. | 12:55 |
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| jubo2 | In 2008 I coulda used my 480€ to buy a iPhone 2Gs, instead I spent it on NOK E75 .. which'es stainless steel back-cover I had to whetstone for hours | 12:57 |
| jubo2 | So I've missed out on mobile / non-laptop interwebz for the past 6 yrs | 12:59 |
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| Nicd- | has this been here yet? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/01/29/0312248/samsungs-first-tizen-smartphone-gets-leaked?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | 13:32 |
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| ggabriel | tsk tsk rounded corners | 13:34 |
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| spacedentist | hi, jolla fans! i saw a video on youtube showing sailfish being installed on a nexus4. i have a nexus4 running cyanogenmod, but i'd love to install sailfish on it. are the images available somewhere, or can i produce them myself? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | spacedentist: not yet, but i'll note you down | 13:40 |
| spacedentist | Stskeeps: thanks a lot! looking forward! | 13:41 |
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| ssirkia | Hi, should N900 wired headphones work with Jolla? Last time I tried, they wouldn't work for me (can't remember the details). Also some older headsets, (that work with 900) didn't work. There was this 'snapping sound' as if the microphone voltage was incompatible or something. Any experience? Strong oppinions? | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | ssirkia: you need an adapter as the jolla uses the apple/android standard rather than the nokia one | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | i'm assuming that you speak not of just headphones, but headsets | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | i.e., with a microphone, buttons and whatnot | 14:14 |
| ssirkia | Oh, I see. | 14:14 |
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| ssirkia | ggabriel: Thanks for the info, I'm quite sure I would have otherwise bought some nokia compatibles :-) | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | nw | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | and nothing to worry about either, there are resilient adapters out there | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | i'm using one with my n9 fwiw, because companies make apple/android standard only these days | 14:23 |
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| mornfall | Nicd-: yeah, well, ugly :-) | 14:36 |
| mornfall | but what did we expect of samsung, really :P | 14:36 |
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| CvP | hello | 14:39 |
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| CvP | is there a ssh app to connect from smartphone to a server? | 14:46 |
| Pnuu | yes | 14:47 |
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| Pnuu | if you enable the developer mode, there'll be a terminal program (fingerterm) where you can use ssh | 14:47 |
| Pnuu | (cli) | 14:47 |
| CvP | and the command is than ssh ip:port ? | 14:48 |
| Acce | ssh -p port user@ip | 14:49 |
| Pnuu | or ssh -p port -l user server-address | 14:52 |
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| CvP | very cool thanks, works nice | 14:58 |
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| CvP | and what is -p or -l ? | 14:59 |
| Sail0r | -l is for loginname | 14:59 |
| Sail0r | and -p for port | 14:59 |
| CvP | aha ok... i try with only -p | 14:59 |
| Sail0r | yes you can also user loginname@server | 14:59 |
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| Sail0r | which is the same as -l loginname server | 15:00 |
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| CvP | good :) | 15:01 |
| CvP | is there any chance to integrade file sending over xmpp or calls? dont wanna use whatsapp :( | 15:01 |
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| Pnuu | CvP: MMS is one of the most requested feature at together.jolla.com, so I hope it'll be available | 15:09 |
| opuk | anyone had network issues with android apps? | 15:09 |
| CvP | Pnuu: MMS? like SMS with Media? | 15:10 |
| Pnuu | yeah, multimedia messages | 15:10 |
| Pnuu | not really useable for generalized datatransfer, but still | 15:11 |
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| CvP | ok, its maybe impotend... but not for german users :) ... but hope it will come because it is a feature what is needing :) | 15:11 |
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| CvP | itd cost to much here | 15:12 |
| CvP | its | 15:12 |
| CvP | i can life with an android app for xmpp, but xabber/jitsi and all other apps dont have file transfer :( | 15:14 |
| Sail0r | use mail :x | 15:14 |
| CvP | no :) | 15:14 |
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| Quu | use the force luke | 15:15 |
| CvP | force luke? | 15:15 |
| Pnuu | sudo force luke | 15:15 |
| CvP | and than? | 15:16 |
| Pnuu | nevermind :-) | 15:16 |
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| Sail0r | :D | 15:17 |
| CvP | lol | 15:17 |
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| CvP | have someone little know how about the kernel? | 15:19 |
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| CvP | need some.help with my project | 15:20 |
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| Sail0r | ? | 15:22 |
| sharpneli | Just ask, don't ask to ask. | 15:22 |
| DrainBamaged | Like if someone says to me 'Can I ask you a question?' I say 'You just did, ask me another' | 15:23 |
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| CvP | last post http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91895&page=3 | 15:25 |
| CvP | to change 1000mAh to 400/500mAh | 15:25 |
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| Pnuu | CvP: you seem to mean mA, not mAh | 15:28 |
| Pnuu | CvP: so you want to limit the input current of the TOH power pins to ~400 mA with a kernel tweak? | 15:29 |
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| flux | this might not be something a the software can limit | 15:34 |
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| Pnuu | flux: my thoughts exactly | 15:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Why not use the right regulator? | 15:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Regulators with >90% efficiency are quite available. | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maxim-ic.com/ has a nice selection guide | 15:54 |
| Quu | it would be too easy to buy ~1e components :p | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | having said that - there are legitimate apps where you may need to resuce charging current. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - solar or whatever. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ( a simple solar back is a terrible idea) | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The only way to tell is either a proper datasheet for the other half charging pins, or a schematic and/or the part number of the charger chip. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Along with its kernel driver | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not impossible for example that it may reduce current draw as voltage drops from 5V, much like most phones and other devices do from USB | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | USB 'chargers' that is | 15:58 |
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| CvP | Pnuu sry, i am working... yes this is exactly what i want | 16:07 |
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| CvP | maxi has a step up voltage regulator? never seen before. | 16:10 |
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| CvP | Pnuu do you know how to do that? | 16:14 |
| CvP | over kernal tweek | 16:15 |
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| flux | actually it makes sense there's a way to limit the current from USB to the host, isn't it used when the device is normally attached to a computer? | 16:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | flux: No | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: The computer specifies the maximum that the device can use, by picking an appropriate configuration for the device. | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no procedure to renegotiate. | 16:25 |
| flux | speedevil, well it specifies it, but do computers actually have other response for a device using too much other than to 1) break or 2) shutdown the port completely for protection? | 16:25 |
| sharpneli | Yup. And most just negotiate for 500mA max and that's it. | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 16:25 |
| sharpneli | flux: OVercurrent protection shuts it down. That's pretty much it. | 16:25 |
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| flux | so what cvp wants is to 'negotiate' a 500mA max with the USB +V5? | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's not USB | 16:26 |
| flux | ok, well then it's not possibly :) | 16:26 |
| flux | I thought it was the same USB voltage rail | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a 5V input from TOH, with an unspecified device on the other side. | 16:26 |
| flux | but was it so that it's not used if it drops below 5V? | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Various things could happen - from it not drawing any current if the voltage drops below 4.995V, current ramping from 1A to 0A as the voltage falls from 5 to 4V, or anything lse. | 16:28 |
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| flux | if it strictly uses all current from the rail only when it's 5V or more, it might not be possible to current-limit it otherwise, except by time slicing it | 16:28 |
| pp | *grumble*, update available but it's just 1.0.2.5 :D | 16:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | As an example, the nexus 7 on its 'dock' pins will draw about 1.8A@5.6V, dropping to 0.1A@4.5V | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (from memory) | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (the 2012) | 16:29 |
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| flux | I suppose this could be very easily tested with a controlled DC source :) | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/jj606124.aspx <- this is fantastic ideas for a QA checker | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:35 |
| juboxi | Stskeeps: Microsoft.com .. | 16:35 |
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| jubo2 | new phone! shiny phone! | 16:36 |
| pp | if only they deprecated drive letters... | 16:37 |
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| jubo2 | I want to set up spotify and deezer | 16:40 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his hp6632b | 16:40 | |
| Stskeeps | let's ban fopen() | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:41 |
| * SpeedEvil turns on flashlight to drain battery (which 'annoyngly' is at 100%/ | 16:41 | |
| Aard | oh, drive letters. we should introduce them in sailfish | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | insert disk to drive C: | 16:42 |
| jubo2 | I can't get a Jolla account set up on phone. there a web UI for it..? | 16:43 |
| Sail0r | yes | 16:44 |
| Sail0r | account.jolla.com | 16:44 |
| jubo2 | Arr, tnx m8 | 16:44 |
| Sail0r | np | 16:45 |
| Aard | Stskeeps: "To unlock the bootloader please insert disk to drive A:" | 16:45 |
| Aard | and then we can sell a floppy disk other half | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Aard: "I AM RICH" TOH | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | 100000 USD | 16:46 |
| fk_lx | what about "I didn't make this" covers :-P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | good one :P | 16:46 |
| fk_lx | considering amount of things that still need care, that cover could be good :-) | 16:47 |
| Aard | oh, I have a better one. "I contributed to <list of softwarecomponents>". that allows us to charge a higher price for the toh for customization fees :) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | "i waited 4 weeks in queue in care@" | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | Aard: ah, we should make a custom 'i am lennart' TOH for poettering.. | 16:48 |
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| jubo2 | I can't get to the store.. I've reset my password and entered it correctly it gives error in Finnish | 16:52 |
| jubo2 | I like the grab down from top of screen thing gives me quick access to silent mode, camera, settings and what you.. | 16:53 |
| jubo2 | The Kauppa-app won't work | 16:55 |
| jubo2 | can't login from account.jolla.com either.. | 16:55 |
| jubo2 | bummer! | 16:55 |
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| jubo2 | Unboxing UX curve nosedives | 16:55 |
| jubo2 | I like the visual also | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | like MSFT is all "Boxes, lots and lots of boxes all over the place" | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | with this Windows8 | 16:57 |
| jubo2 | Game says: "You have a pure Linux phone but the system says your access to system candy supply store is teh brokeh." There is an exit to the East. There is also an open Gin Longdrink bottle on the side desk. What you do? | 16:59 |
| Quu | hulk smash | 17:00 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: "I sponsored feature X" | 17:00 |
| jubo2 | I'm 100% sure I've the right user name and the right password as indicated by the reset mail link getting clicked | 17:00 |
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| jubo2 | sry my bad. I registered using another nick | 17:01 |
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| jubo2 | I think I'd like my jolla account be the same as my unix username is.. Is there any downsides to just registering ana another account and discard the old one ? | 17:02 |
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| AL13N_work | jubo2: me too | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | but i think mine was not available :-( | 17:04 |
| jubo2 | I'm in the store. It works the human just fumbles usernaming self | 17:05 |
| jubo2 | what apps do I want? | 17:06 |
| jubo2 | I want the app that gets me to the android store | 17:06 |
| jubo2 | There was native player for Spotify "PrettySpotify" or something like that someone mentioned somewhere | 17:07 |
| Pnuu | jubo2: are you running the latest version? | 17:07 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: I dunno. Took it out of the box. Never upgraded or updated | 17:07 |
| Sail0r | cutespotify | 17:07 |
| jubo2 | mfg date was Dec 2013 | 17:07 |
| jubo2 | Sail0r: Arr! That's the one | 17:08 |
| Sail0r | ;) | 17:08 |
| Pnuu | then upgrade before installing anything | 17:08 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: is there hand holding manual for how to upgrade ? | 17:08 |
| * jubo2 is not texy person | 17:08 | |
| jubo2 | crappy at math and technology | 17:08 |
| jubo2 | can barely into calculus | 17:09 |
| Pnuu | settings -> dev info -> pulley | 17:09 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: this is all in Finnish for me | 17:09 |
| jubo2 | I'm in the settings now | 17:09 |
| jubo2 | fi."Kehitystila"?? that's like en."development state" | 17:10 |
| salami` | jubo2: tietoja tms | 17:10 |
| jubo2 | no it must be "Laitteen tiedot" | 17:10 |
| Pnuu | my guess is then: järjestelmäasetukset -> tietoja laitteesta | 17:11 |
| jubo2 | 'k searching for upgrades | 17:11 |
| jubo2 | do I need to backup.. | 17:12 |
| jubo2 | it says it's possible to backup | 17:12 |
| jubo2 | no I don't it's a clean factory flavour | 17:12 |
| jubo2 | the upgrade it is.. | 17:12 |
| Pnuu | yep | 17:13 |
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| jubo2 | a download counter would be really nice | 17:14 |
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| jubo2 | now it doesn't give informatoin on is it actually progressing | 17:14 |
| Sail0r | look at the jolla / sailfish logo | 17:15 |
| Sail0r | there you can see the progress | 17:15 |
| jubo2 | just rotating the rotating thingy | 17:15 |
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| jubo2 | now installing upgrades | 17:19 |
| jubo2 | Pnuu: tnx for pointing out to upgrade the OS before doing anything | 17:20 |
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| jubo2 | So I heard the landscape kbrd is coming in some future upgrade | 17:22 |
| jubo2 | as well as navigation | 17:22 |
| fk_lx | heh friend asked when the software update is coming and I've answered that it's comming when Aard's cats will be in the right mood :-) | 17:23 |
| Aard | it'll come soon™ :) | 17:23 |
| jubo2 | I also heard that wlan basestation mode and 4G are coming, just a matter of software | 17:24 |
| Sail0r | 4g was just a guess from someone | 17:25 |
| wickwire | Hi guys, how may I use rpm checking before submitting an app to the jolla store? | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | and no confirmation | 17:25 |
| wickwire | is there some feature available to use with the SailfishOS IDE | 17:25 |
| wickwire | that checks a built rpm for inconsistencies...? | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | there is a app validator | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | in the ide | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | klick on the sailfishos logo on the left side | 17:25 |
| Sail0r | and go to harbour tools | 17:25 |
| wickwire | ok, could you please - ok | 17:25 |
| jubo2 | 'k and the upgrade is over | 17:26 |
| wickwire | Sail0r I have targets, toolchains and updates | 17:27 |
| wickwire | when accessing the sailfish logo on the left | 17:27 |
| Sail0r | did you ever upgrade your ide | 17:27 |
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| Sail0r | click on updates | 17:28 |
| wickwire | I did, then it crashed and I could never use it again - but I'll do it | 17:28 |
| Sail0r | and do a ide update | 17:28 |
| wickwire | ok thanks | 17:28 |
| Sail0r | no problem :) | 17:28 |
| jubo2 | I want Spotify | 17:29 |
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| jubo2 | Gotta have that. Till there is a Deezer.com client | 17:29 |
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| ballock | jubo2: wlan basestation mode? like ap to serve your 3g through wifi? | 17:34 |
| jubo2 | ballock: yes. exactly | 17:34 |
| ballock | there's "tethering" app in the store | 17:34 |
| ballock | does exactly that | 17:34 |
| ballock | over wifi and bt | 17:34 |
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| jubo2 | ballock: good news. good to know | 17:37 |
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| jubo2 | I have a dedicated wireless HSPA+ basestation.. Whenever I go somewhere I just plug in the mains and forget about it | 17:38 |
| jubo2 | but should I like forget that somewhere.. I better load this tethering app | 17:38 |
| ottulo | I've used it a couple times, works smooth | 17:38 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | but your battery will drain very fast after you have used that | 17:40 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | at least for me | 17:40 |
| teve | yep, I wonder if it disables wlan power saving mode? | 17:41 |
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| CvP | re, sry, work | 17:42 |
| CvP | have i miss some infos about ma change in kernel? | 17:42 |
| ballock | yup, better check the irc logs | 17:43 |
| CvP | ok i am @home in one hour, hope there is a solution. want finish my Project and start with the toh cover | 17:45 |
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| jubo2 | I'm trying to add an email account | 18:05 |
| jubo2 | I hit the "Accept *" in the right-uphand corner and it just flashes the screen. does not complain of errors nor give anything to assume it has done anything | 18:05 |
| sjtoik | gmail, exchange or imap? | 18:05 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: it means you haven't filled all fields | 18:06 |
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| Nicd- | some required field is missing | 18:06 |
| jubo2 | I'm leaving SMTP user and password blank | 18:07 |
| jubo2 | It'd be nice to have an asterisk next to required field | 18:07 |
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| jubo2 | port humber 25 missing from SMTP info | 18:11 |
| jubo2 | now I'm back in email app and it says there are no accounts | 18:12 |
| jubo2 | it just said it successfully added the account a few second before | 18:12 |
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| jubo2 | I want my settings back | 18:13 |
| jubo2 | It just said the account had been added, then next second it complains no accounts.. | 18:14 |
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| Nicd- | did you reopen the email app? | 18:16 |
| jubo2 | I'm just booting the phone | 18:16 |
| jubo2 | no accounts it says | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | what about settings -> accounts? | 18:17 |
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| jubo2 | I didn't notice to hit the "save" button | 18:21 |
| jubo2 | or whatever that was in Finnish | 18:21 |
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| jubo2 | I find translating command line tools to localized langs a bad idea | 18:22 |
| jubo2 | then I have to translate from half-Finnish to English to get help | 18:22 |
| jubo2 | 'tis not a jolla issue | 18:22 |
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| Pnuu | jubo2: just use the phone in english, much easier :-P | 18:23 |
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| Quu | jubo2: yeah, dont use the finnish translations :p | 18:24 |
| Nicd- | except then your maps app uses *miles* | 18:24 |
| Nicd- | now what's up with thaT? | 18:24 |
| Quu | CLI in finnish is just retarded | 18:24 |
| ottulo | Nicd-: there's a way to fix that | 18:24 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: there's a fix coming for that, and it's easy to work-around | 18:24 |
| Frye | Nicd-, there are instructions getting the units in standard SI versions under English too. | 18:25 |
| Nicd- | locale settings on command line? | 18:25 |
| Pnuu | yup | 18:25 |
| Frye | Something like that yea | 18:25 |
| Nicd- | I'll just wait for the official fix since I don't use the maps app much | 18:25 |
| jubo2 | Quu: it's most unhelpful in getting help ( Finnish cli) from global forums such as irc | 18:25 |
| Nicd- | but when I do it sticks out like a sore thumb :D | 18:25 |
| Frye | hehe | 18:25 |
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| Frye | Yeah, it's a real pain | 18:26 |
| Frye | But because of the screen not staying on the maps app is useless too for anything but a quick peek. | 18:26 |
| Frye | (And there is a workaround for that too) | 18:27 |
| Pnuu | Frye: adjust the screen timeout :-P | 18:27 |
| Frye | Pnuu, always on available yet? I think I still need the mce tool. | 18:27 |
| Pnuu | ah, yeah, that's missing | 18:27 |
| Frye | ye, it should be always on when there is a planned active route | 18:28 |
| Pnuu | but there's no routing either ;-D | 18:28 |
| Frye | And otherwise use the system timeout | 18:28 |
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| Frye | No, but there is a line drawn to the map | 18:28 |
| Frye | Same as it was with the N900 | 18:28 |
| Frye | Which is more than enough to find places | 18:28 |
| Frye | But all these tiny things that are issues for me I still prefer it over Note II as my secondary unit. | 18:29 |
| Frye | So don't get me wrong :-) I really like it. | 18:30 |
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| jubo2 | I have to say the phone as a physical object feels good | 18:41 |
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| jubo2 | This was not the case with my NOK E75 that needed grand-pa's whetstone for a good few hours | 18:41 |
| jubo2 | To reverse whatever the disain dept had disnaided this time.. | 18:42 |
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| jubo2 | Arr! Sail0r | 18:42 |
| jubo2 | ahh.. ich sehen.. du bist Deutch | 18:42 |
| jubo2 | Ich liebe die deutcher, kultur, leute und spräche. | 18:43 |
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| Pnuu | and we (try to) stick to english here | 18:43 |
| jubo2 | I was just saying I love the German kulture, people and language | 18:43 |
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| Pnuu | yes, I can read ;-) | 18:44 |
| jubo2 | I'm going to send open application to DNA | 18:45 |
| jubo2 | One day I was in the DNA webshop | 18:45 |
| jubo2 | then got to talking with this customer service person via the giosk chat interface | 18:46 |
| jubo2 | I asked him if he worked specifically for this | 18:46 |
| Nicd- | from all your DNA praise I'd think you're already on their payroll | 18:46 |
| jubo2 | answer was yes | 18:46 |
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| jubo2 | So I want to be customer service chat person for DNA | 18:46 |
| jubo2 | chat is so superior to phone, you can paste URLs | 18:47 |
| slate | I think my friends does that | 18:47 |
| slate | at dna | 18:48 |
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| TQP1 | I'm having a problem with my jolla. It suddenly shut down, I started it. It worked fine a while and it shuted down again. Now it's in bootloop.could someone help me? | 18:50 |
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| Quu | TQP1: take battery out for 10min | 18:51 |
| Quu | it might help | 18:51 |
| TQP1 | already done | 18:52 |
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| TQP1 | bootlooping starts right away when i insert battery back on | 18:52 |
| slate | and charger does what? | 18:53 |
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| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 18:54 |
| TQP1 | nothing, same continues | 18:54 |
| TQP1 | full battery | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | TQP1: 1.0.2.5? | 18:54 |
| slate | do you get to recovery mode? | 18:54 |
| TQP1 | stskees yes | 18:55 |
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| TQP1 | slate i push vol - and power and it goes to fastboot mode | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | TQP1: sorry :/ you have to take it to service. the upcoming update makes it possible to self-help this issue but it's not possible right this moment | 18:55 |
| TQP1 | damn :/ | 18:55 |
| slate | Stskeeps: the update which is coming tomorrow? | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | we have an update coming tomorrow? :P | 18:56 |
| slate | ok had to try.. | 18:56 |
| slate | :D | 18:56 |
| tmynttin | :D | 18:56 |
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| w00t | the update comes when the update wants to, and not a moment sooner | 18:56 |
| TQP1 | so it's no use if i try that telnet 192...... stuf on terminal | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | every time somebody brings up the update, it gets pushed half a day forward | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | TQP1: i think you should try anyway | 18:56 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it *starts* at half a day, and increases by an exponential duration | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | TQP1: if it says invalid argument when mounting, then it's a device you need to take to service | 18:57 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: maybe i need to add script to hilight you about the update? ;D | 18:57 |
| slate | so basically I'm able to delay the update for unlimited time. | 18:57 |
| slate | awesome. | 18:57 |
| Nicd- | half-life 3 confirmed? | 18:57 |
| Acce | did someone say "update"? | 18:57 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: so it's like Georg RR Martin and Starks in the books.. | 18:57 |
| Pnuu | Acce: no, it was undate | 18:59 |
| Acce | oh my | 18:59 |
| Milo- | I was a bit shocked to see realise how poorly the alarm clock's snooze works. | 18:59 |
| Acce | why we never get downdates | 18:59 |
| Milo- | alarm set off at 6 am, swiped it to snooze and 1 hour and 40 minutes later, it went off again | 18:59 |
| pp | Acce: there's the occasional redate | 19:00 |
| Milo- | I love my sleep as much as the next guy, but that's a long snooze. | 19:00 |
| Acce | Milo-: I have no idea how it works, since I never wake up to the alarm anyways :/ | 19:00 |
| pp | and I thought the version number went down too for the first update attempts for a while :-) | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | Milo-: set it to wake you up when you want to wake up, and get the F out of the bed :-P | 19:00 |
| pp | I was excited to see a new version available today, but it was just 1.0.2.5 | 19:00 |
| Milo- | Acce after today, I'm pretty sure it doesn't work :/ | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | snooze should be disabled globally | 19:01 |
| Milo- | Pnuu impossible. | 19:01 |
| Pnuu | pffft | 19:01 |
| Acce | globals are bad | 19:01 |
| Acce | as every C programmer can tell you | 19:01 |
| Milo- | I have a computer in the living room, which is locked during night. It also makes quite loud noises through the speaker in the morning | 19:02 |
| Milo- | I wake up, go to living room, set snooze and walk back to the bedroom and return my sleep :) | 19:02 |
| pp | on a positive note, the jolla alarm sound is quite pleasing | 19:02 |
| Acce | I like the Jolla song, it's catchy | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | i used to have to kill my wakeup 'at' job with killall | 19:03 |
| Turski | the "beta" version of jolla alarm sound was everything but pleasing... | 19:03 |
| Nicd- | is the new jolla techno tune available somewhere? | 19:03 |
| Acce | I hope Jolla will publish some more great tunes | 19:03 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: christ | 19:03 |
| Raim | Milo-: Snooze works fine for me in 5 minute steps | 19:03 |
| tmynttin | no matter how pleasing the alarm is, you grow to hate it eventually | 19:03 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i think i would literally end up throwing the computer out a window | 19:03 |
| Milo- | Raim you can't set snooze steps. | 19:03 |
| Milo- | but anyways. I believe it's connected to the same issue that the phone isn't fetching emails every 30 minutes | 19:04 |
| Milo- | it does some deep-sleeping and the scheduler is unreliable. | 19:04 |
| jubo2 | I can't find cutespotify in the store | 19:05 |
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| Raim | Milo-: you can set it from command line or Snooze Adjuster from the store | 19:05 |
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| Turski | my mails seem to be synced somewhere between every 5min to 8 hours... | 19:05 |
| jubo2 | There is one crucial question I forgot to ask the sales person: does it have an analog radio?? | 19:06 |
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| jubo2 | Ich muss mein Basso Radio haben!! | 19:06 |
| Milo- | Raim yeah | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | jubo2: no | 19:06 |
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| Milo- | Turski I've never seen my phone auto-fetch emails unless the phone is active (being used). | 19:07 |
| Milo- | if it stands on the desk for a day, it won't beep and fetch my emails :/ | 19:07 |
| Acce | jubo2: make a radio receiver and put it in your TOH | 19:07 |
| jubo2 | I don't know anything about making radios | 19:07 |
| Acce | Milo-: hmm, mine does | 19:07 |
| slate | webradio? | 19:07 |
| Acce | even when screen off it beeps with emails occasionally | 19:08 |
| jubo2 | slate: but then they can see what I'm listening to | 19:08 |
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| slate | they? like, nsa? | 19:08 |
| Raim | I doubt the i2c would be fast enough for an audio stream | 19:08 |
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| Acce | Raim: how fast does it have to be? | 19:08 |
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| Acce | i2c can be pretty fast.. don't know how fast jolla hw supports | 19:09 |
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| Quu | even slowest should be fast enough for radio | 19:09 |
| Quu | if its fast enough for hq-mp3-audio | 19:10 |
| jubo2 | Physically the device feels really good in hand | 19:10 |
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| slate | Does not fit that good to my hand to be honest. | 19:10 |
| slate | And yes, I got large ones. | 19:10 |
| Acce | don't know much about audio, but it's enough to send 128kbps? | 19:10 |
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| Raim | Acce: to be honest, that's just my guessing. maybe it depends on the codec... | 19:12 |
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| Acce | so you need to send bit every ~1/128000 => 128kHz serial bus is enough? | 19:12 |
| Raim | I always think of i2c as a low bandwidth bus | 19:12 |
| Acce | i2c should be able to go over 1MHz | 19:12 |
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| Acce | newest spec has 5Mhz mode | 19:13 |
| Quu | Raim: it depends on what "class" it is | 19:14 |
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| Quu | kinda like wlan speeds | 19:14 |
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| TQP1 | Stskeeps is it possible to save files of the phone when i get it to service? | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | TQP1: it might be - tell them that you're in a boot loop, you think it's a filesystem problem, mention the invalid argument specifically and you'd prefer to save your data | 19:16 |
| slate | With Nokia, that would never happen. :) Service-wise. | 19:16 |
| TQP1 | ok, thanks for the advice | 19:16 |
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| Acce | fastest i2c mode: 3,4 Mbps. USB 1.0: 1,5Mbps. USB 3.0: 4Gbps | 19:18 |
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| Stskeeps | slate: yeah, too expensive probably | 19:20 |
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| slate | Problems are solved the fastest way -> reflash | 19:21 |
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| pp | or replace n900 with brand new e7 | 19:22 |
| slate | best ones were n8:s | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | pp: yeah, wtf.. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| slate | had some happy customers after that swap | 19:23 |
| slate | shieet. | 19:23 |
| pp | I wonder if anyone got a lumia 800 for a broken n9 | 19:23 |
| slate | Cant remember that never happening | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | slate: work in a mobile store? | 19:23 |
| slate | Stskeeps: I ran a nokia care point for 3 years | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | slate: how much did your therapy cost? | 19:24 |
| slate | Stskeeps: my desk was at the back. | 19:24 |
| slate | :) | 19:24 |
| Sail0r | lol | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:24 |
| jubo2 | where do I get my 1st android app? | 19:25 |
| slate | jubo2: jolla store -> android support -> yandex store | 19:25 |
| Sail0r | yandex store? | 19:25 |
| slate | Stskeeps: saw that jolla is looking for a care specialist, practically same job I did. But wrong city. :) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | slate: it's easier in R&D because we can somewhat work everywhere | 19:26 |
| jubo2 | Яндекс дотчка ру, што ето? | 19:26 |
| slate | Yup I know. Like at home.. | 19:27 |
| jubo2 | Jandex dot ru, what is this? | 19:27 |
| jubo2 | 'k I try to install from there | 19:27 |
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| Acce | jubo2: it's Russian google | 19:28 |
| Acce | kind of | 19:28 |
| slate | I guess the easiest way to get dev-updates would be to apply for the job. lol. | 19:30 |
| Acce | Did someone see the interview Jollausers.com did with Marc Dillon? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, url? | 19:30 |
| sharpneli | slate: Idd | 19:30 |
| Acce | I have no url.. | 19:30 |
| Acce | just a tweet | 19:31 |
| sharpneli | slate: "I love it so much that I'll sacrifice my current career just to get better tools to play with" :DD | 19:31 |
| Acce | Jolla Users @JollaUsers 8h | 19:31 |
| Acce | Stay tuned at http://jollausers.com tonight for an exclusive interview with @MarcDillonDotFi about #Jolla, #Sailfish, #MWC14 and the future | 19:31 |
| slate | sharpneli: haha :) Thats commitment. | 19:32 |
| slate | Was nice to have the tools back in the day, thats for sure. | 19:32 |
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| slate | Not for Jolla, but still. | 19:32 |
| jubo2 | I'm trying to get an yandex account | 19:32 |
| Quu | jubo2: change language to english | 19:32 |
| slate | Acce: "it will be available at http://jollausers.com as soon as I finish editing it :)" | 19:32 |
| Acce | slate: ok, didn't notice that! | 19:33 |
| slate | just in! | 19:33 |
| slate | 2 hours ago | 19:33 |
| slate | Has to be a good one because it takes 2hours to edit. | 19:33 |
| Acce | I hope so :p | 19:34 |
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| Milo- | why doesn't it surprise me that artem disagrees with this: https://together.jolla.com/question/5177/jolla-app-store-show-app-licenses-and-links-to-sources/ | 19:35 |
| jubo2 | Quu: I think I'm supposed to receive a code as sms but I'm getting no sms from Yandex.ru | 19:35 |
| Quu | jubo2: change language to english., | 19:35 |
| jubo2 | 'k 'k.. | 19:35 |
| slate | Any eta on shop.jolla.com update? Would like to get another TOH. | 19:35 |
| Quu | for some magical reason, thats only way to get yandex working | 19:35 |
| Milo- | I keep getting notifications at TJC about edited posts, is there a way of seeing what was actually changed? | 19:36 |
| Acce | Milo-: well he does have a point, someone non "geek" probably get's worried about that weird "GPLv2" there.. but well, it doesn't have to be visible by default | 19:38 |
| Milo- | normally "non-geeky" person gets a full blown licence agreement about what ever they install | 19:40 |
| Milo- | I remember seeing those even with N900. | 19:40 |
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| bennypr0fane | Hi, Has anyone tried Android-Soundhound, Shazam, or any other app that needs the mic? Bcs on my Jolla Soundhound and Shazam both say they’re not getting access to the microphone | 19:41 |
| faenil | bennypr0fane, works here | 19:42 |
| bennypr0fane | faenil, which app? | 19:42 |
| slate | I tested shazam, did not complain about the mic. | 19:43 |
| bennypr0fane | what could be wrong on my phone then? | 19:44 |
| Acce | Milo-: well that's true too, maybe they wouldn't care, I think it's fine either way | 19:44 |
| bennypr0fane | where'd you guys install it from? | 19:44 |
| Acce | people usually tell if the app is open source anyways | 19:44 |
| faenil | bennypr0fane, I got it off gplay | 19:45 |
| Milo- | Acce a pull-down "details" would be a nice gesture. | 19:45 |
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| Acce | bennypr0fane: the mic works for me in some android apps and in some it wont | 19:45 |
| Acce | Milo-: yeah, it wouldn't hurt anyone and would satisfy those who want it | 19:45 |
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| bennypr0fane | you can get different versions of some apps in different stores right? | 19:47 |
| slate | yup | 19:47 |
| slate | 4.3.0-JB81291 says my shazam | 19:47 |
| Milo- | currently I'm more turned off by certain "developers" than what licence they use. | 19:48 |
| bennypr0fane | is it true that Jolla doesn't provide its IMEI to Android stores, so Google is not gettni it even if I install Gplay store? | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | the maps app is quite uncool :-/ | 19:48 |
| Sail0r | I hope there will be a traffic overlay | 19:48 |
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| Milo- | but that is the sole purpose for being able to look into the code when you have doubts. | 19:48 |
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| Acce | Milo-: well some people have an attitude which causes most of their misunderstandings and problems | 19:50 |
| slate | bennypr0fane: for imei on android side I see 123451234512345 | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | how original | 19:50 |
| bennypr0fane | slate lol | 19:50 |
| Quu | bennypr0fane: there is (small) chance that they kill your account | 19:51 |
| bennypr0fane | Quu Google? | 19:51 |
| Quu | but they would need to kill all CM users/russians/chinese | 19:51 |
| Quu | yeah | 19:51 |
| bennypr0fane | why? | 19:52 |
| slate | used for a month, no problems what so ever | 19:52 |
| Quu | because you are using their software "illegally"? :p | 19:52 |
| bennypr0fane | Quu: you mean if I hack-install Gplay? | 19:52 |
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| Quu | no. if you wipe the screen with toilet-paper. | 19:52 |
| Quu | what else i could mean? | 19:52 |
| slate | harsh | 19:52 |
| slate | ;) | 19:52 |
| Sail0r | how to set an imei on android side? | 19:52 |
| bennypr0fane | ah right, I've been meaning to find that out. how illegal is it actually? | 19:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | Like, seriuosly,-you-can-get-sued-illegal? | 19:53 |
| Quu | well iirc cyanogenmod got sortof permission to use gapps in their stuff | 19:53 |
| Sail0r | It's not more illegal then using CM | 19:53 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 19:53 |
| Quu | if its not default | 19:53 |
| Quu | yeah | 19:54 |
| Quu | thats my point :p | 19:54 |
| Quu | they would need to delete shitton of accounts | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | "against the rules" | 19:54 |
| Acce | bennypr0fane: it's not like they're gonna start sueing some random people, they know they won't get any money out of it | 19:54 |
| slate | Or using 80% of the chinese android-phones | 19:54 |
| bennypr0fane | they just really hate that it works | 19:54 |
| Acce | but if Jolla would distribute gplay or offer knowledge how to install it, that's a different story | 19:54 |
| Quu | yeah | 19:55 |
| Sail0r | if you pay for apps they are not interesting in sueing anybody ;) | 19:55 |
| bennypr0fane | CM has Gplay store installed? | 19:55 |
| Quu | that would be very no-no | 19:55 |
| Quu | bennypr0fane: no, not by default | 19:55 |
| Quu | they do provide installer-zip-thingies | 19:55 |
| Sail0r | but not CM itself | 19:55 |
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| bennypr0fane | it's jsut annoying that all "localized" apps, e.g. from public transport companies,, universities, administrations etc. are exclusively publisehd on GPlay | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | the crappy games and wall papers you can get anywhere | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | look at that, it started working after a reboot! | 19:58 |
| Quu | iirc there is site what allows you to download (free-app) .apk's from gplay | 19:58 |
| slate | And btw, usually imei is stored in efs-partition in android devices, but dunno how myriad tricked it to be 12345.. | 19:58 |
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| Sail0r | it is default? | 20:01 |
| Sail0r | cool | 20:01 |
| Sail0r | it*s default | 20:01 |
| slate | thats a possibility :) | 20:01 |
| Sail0r | mine is the same ^^ | 20:01 |
| Sail0r | google is looking at lot's of phones with same imei *g* | 20:01 |
| Claudy | heh | 20:02 |
| Acce | Sail0r: well, considering most people don't install gplay and gservices, I guess not that many :P | 20:02 |
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| Dima^ | I think these who already have android devices and purchased apps | 20:03 |
| cloanta | to download free apps from G.play you can use in browser ( http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ ) | 20:03 |
| Sail0r | but enough to confuse google a bit | 20:03 |
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| Dima^ | and are technically motivated | 20:03 |
| Sail0r | what this phone was in germany now in finland and finally in vatican????!??!! ^^ | 20:04 |
| Sail0r | google maps is not possible without google env i think? | 20:05 |
| ottulo | yeah, it won't work | 20:06 |
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| Sail0r | that's the thing why i hate google ;). they have the best maps software i think | 20:06 |
| ottulo | Sports Tracker uses google maps, it simply shows a black screen where the map is supposed to be | 20:06 |
| ottulo | but at least it seems to work | 20:07 |
| Sail0r | I am between installing gapps and not installing gapps :-/ | 20:07 |
| Sail0r | If I shutdown aliendalvik everytime i needed something from google are they getting less tracking infos? | 20:08 |
| Jope | :-D | 20:08 |
| Jope | yes | 20:08 |
| Jope | but in practice you will not go through that trouble | 20:08 |
| Jope | alien will always be running :-) | 20:08 |
| Sail0r | systemctl stop aliendalvik.service ^^ | 20:08 |
| Jope | as said, you will not go through that trouble :-) | 20:08 |
| Dima^ | what if we buy some very very cheap android phone and use its imei :) | 20:09 |
| Sail0r | I made a desktop button for this ^^ | 20:09 |
| Jope | :-) | 20:09 |
| Dima^ | and never use this android phone | 20:09 |
| Sail0r | It's funny what other android apps are sending out data all the time | 20:09 |
| bennypr0fane | Dima^: I tried that | 20:09 |
| Dima^ | but imes is put some how in to dalvik | 20:09 |
| Sail0r | so it's always safe to shut down aliendalvik ^^ | 20:09 |
| Dima^ | bennypr0fane: and? | 20:10 |
| bennypr0fane | I bought a super cheap Android tablet | 20:10 |
| Acce | Sail0r: I installed gapps, but it always crashes. gmaps still work | 20:10 |
| bennypr0fane | and it was worth its money, total piece of crap | 20:10 |
| Sail0r | but have a look at the background processes | 20:10 |
| bennypr0fane | the wifi keeps fluking out, now I usually can't even go online... | 20:10 |
| Dima^ | I've also installed gapps and it worked well | 20:10 |
| slate | bennypr0fane: bad wifi is typical with cheap android tablets | 20:11 |
| Sail0r | on a mates phone there are always com.google things in ps faux | 20:11 |
| slate | I got 4 of them | 20:11 |
| slate | One works "ok" | 20:11 |
| bennypr0fane | slate and it doesn't support tethering to ad-hoc wifi | 20:11 |
| Dima^ | bennypr0fane: I mean to buy cheap android device just to get unique IMEI | 20:11 |
| Dima^ | for jolla | 20:11 |
| Sail0r | like this | 20:11 |
| Sail0r | 10018 17784 0.0 2.8 820388 24088 ? Sl 20:57 0:00 | \_ com.google.android.onetimeinitializer | 20:11 |
| bennypr0fane | Dima^: well do we need a unique one? | 20:12 |
| slate | Dima^: You Jolla already has an unique imei. | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | they are always in the background | 20:12 |
| slate | *your | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | if gapps are installed | 20:12 |
| Dima^ | slate: for gapps to no confuse google | 20:12 |
| Sail0r | that's why i want prevent google from starting them ^^ | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | why would you want to not confuse google? | 20:12 |
| slate | I doubt they will track the manufacturer by imei. | 20:12 |
| bennypr0fane | it appears to be working with the bogus one, right? | 20:12 |
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| bennypr0fane | slate why do you doubt they track anything? | 20:13 |
| Dima^ | there was some speculations that google could get angry and delete our google accounts used in gapps | 20:13 |
| slate | They do track device model / brand logging to gplay. | 20:13 |
| slate | based on build.prop | 20:14 |
| tmynttin | why bother with google? i'm happy with native apps: spotify, facebook, twitter, and now even irc client :) | 20:14 |
| Quu | i have so many chinese/CM/russian phones on my google account that i cant care less | 20:14 |
| slate | same | 20:14 |
| slate | :) | 20:14 |
| Quu | if lose ~30 paid apps, i just pirate them next time. | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | I've also removed droid support | 20:15 |
| slate | tmynttin: you are. ;) | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | I actually have one android app installed | 20:16 |
| Yaniel | the steam mobile client | 20:16 |
| Yaniel | not that I'd really use it much though :D | 20:16 |
| Dima^ | Hmmm.. in Gplay settings seems that google sees Jolla as alien_jolla_bionic | 20:16 |
| bennypr0fane | lil' offtopic: who recognizes that sampled brass riff starts about 0:35 in this track? http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/La+Reine+Des+Queens/4OrNdi?src=5 | 20:16 |
| tmynttin | well, it's easy enough to make your own if you're not ;) | 20:16 |
| bennypr0fane | I feel like it's totally well known piece, just can't pin it down... | 20:17 |
| Sail0r | because there are apps which I need for work and they are only available for android/ios | 20:17 |
| Sail0r | and i don't think that the big vendors will port to sailfish asap ^^ | 20:17 |
| bennypr0fane | Sail0r: and do they all work on yr Jolla? | 20:17 |
| Sail0r | yes, without any problem | 20:18 |
| slate | Most important one of them all, IG. | 20:18 |
| Dima^ | bennypr0fane: heavy apps like Navionic wont install. | 20:18 |
| Dima^ | Also Waze seems to crash | 20:18 |
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| Dima^ | but Spotify and Skype works pretty well | 20:19 |
| slate | I installed a heavy game, loaded over 1 GB of data and worked ok. | 20:19 |
| tmynttin | waze is actually the only android app i'm using | 20:19 |
| slate | real racing was it | 20:19 |
| bennypr0fane | or it's just such a generic tune it seems familiar? | 20:19 |
| bennypr0fane | slate not even problems when multitasking? | 20:20 |
| slate | nope, swiping was smooth. | 20:20 |
| slate | :) | 20:20 |
| tmynttin | crashes if you have browser or many other apps on at the same time | 20:20 |
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| tehdely | hjmm | 20:28 |
| tehdely | today my phone has started shutting down | 20:28 |
| tehdely | for no reason | 20:28 |
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| tehdely | just abruptly powering off | 20:28 |
| tehdely | this is Not Good | 20:28 |
| tehdely | anyone else have this problem? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | pull battery for 10 minutes | 20:29 |
| Yaniel | multiple people have reported that | 20:29 |
| tehdely | Stskeeps: ok | 20:29 |
| tehdely | i have gotten good at ripping TOH off. very glad to have a removable battery on a beta phone ;) | 20:29 |
| Yaniel | I have not really touched it after the first few days | 20:30 |
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| Acce | still no interview.. much editing, really! | 20:31 |
| Quu | much edit | 20:31 |
| Quu | wow | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | you forgot the time cleaning up the drool | 20:31 |
| tehdely | many revise | 20:31 |
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| AL13N | does anyone who has his jolla via devmode on usb can help me out? | 20:42 |
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| slate | ssh not helpful? | 20:44 |
| slate | via wifi | 20:44 |
| Acce | what do you need? | 20:46 |
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| shanttu_web | greetings. jolla on boot loop. was listening some music. first shutdown was ok, second ended on this | 20:51 |
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| Sail0r | I want the T-Shirt "I am the other half" to have something for days where "The First One is in the washer" ^^ | 20:52 |
| Quu | shanttu_web: battery out for 10min | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | before i probably tell you something you don't want to know, where did you hear about this place for that issue? | 20:52 |
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| shanttu_web | Quu thanks, will try that first | 20:53 |
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| shanttu | ok, 10 mins without battery didn't help. device still on boot loop. now on fastboot mode | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | shanttu: next up you should check with recovery mode if you can do a factory reset, if it says invalid, you have to send it to care@ stating that exact error | 21:10 |
| slate | Stskeeps, online support 18/7 | 21:12 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps is awesome :) | 21:14 |
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| shanttu | Stskeeps, care to help with next commands? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | shanttu: release notes for 1.0.2.5 describes how to get into recovery mode | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | on together.* | 21:22 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: What does the recovery fix? Does it restore complete contents of /usr/lib? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: recovery will factory reset the device in 1.0.2.5 | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | if it can, that is | 21:24 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah but what are the limitations? Does it hold the full image somewhere safe? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: btrfs snapshots | 21:25 |
| sharpneli | Oh. | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's okay to go cry in a corner when you hear that | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:25 |
| sharpneli | So I won't be replacing custom stuff to /usr/lib afterall :D | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: just wait a little bit :P | 21:26 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: But but. Check this out: http://pastebin.com/U4XhaRV2 http://pastebin.com/niBd6T1r | 21:26 |
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| sharpneli | Still needs some work at implementing the corner case handling elsewhere. But sailfish-browser calls that function 300k times when loading. From startup to fully rendered slashdot.org homepage it's 500k calls. | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: hint: LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/my-modded-libhybris:/usr/lib:/lib foo | 21:30 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: That's what I used to make that dump. | 21:30 |
| sharpneli | But it would be nice to put system wide libs to test stability etc | 21:31 |
| shanttu | will try tomorrow. a day with n9 ahead tomorrow | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: okay, then i'd really advise you to wait a little bit | 21:31 |
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| sharpneli | Stskeeps: I know. I just feel like a little child in back seat of the car "are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?" :) | 21:33 |
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| klrp | hi, are there any media player (for music) besides jolla's, because it doesnt work with headphones for me? | 21:43 |
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| javispedro | meh, pointing udev's mtp-probe to a non existing device node will cause it to say "$FILE is a MTP device" | 23:04 |
| javispedro | while pointing it to the SbJ will cause it to print "$FILE is not a MTP device". | 23:04 |
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| javispedro | if I unplug the Jolla, then it won't print "$FILE is a MTP device" even if I point it to a non-existing file.. | 23:07 |
| javispedro | insane, but this means it gets the device/bus id from somewhere else and only uses that information if the passed pathname -ENOENT.. | 23:09 |
| javispedro | to the source code! | 23:10 |
| stephg | run javispedro, run! | 23:11 |
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| javispedro | ooh | 23:13 |
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| mornfall | klrp: sounds strange, it certainly works with headphones for me (including bluetooth set) | 23:16 |
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| klrp | hmm | 23:18 |
| klrp | when i plug headphones or aux in to amplifier, jolla pauses but when i press play it still plays through speaker, ignorin headphones | 23:19 |
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| javispedro | hmhm, so the reason mtp-probe fails (and thus gvfs) is that the jolla default usb config doesn't show 3 endpoints | 23:22 |
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| klrp | lol, works now after countless reboots | 23:26 |
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| faenil | since you're talking about mtp... | 23:26 |
| faenil | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-mtp/pull/25 | 23:26 |
| javispedro | yeah, I'm trying to figure out why doesn't Gnome use the MTP gvfs backend | 23:27 |
| javispedro | instead it seems to fallback to PTP/gphoto2 | 23:28 |
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| javispedro | ok. W-T-F. | 23:40 |
| javispedro | because mtp-probe will use a too strict regular expression to parse a sysfs path... | 23:41 |
| javispedro | it will fail to "see" the SbJ if it is behind _two_ USB hubs. | 23:41 |
| javispedro | two or more. | 23:41 |
| MSameer | time for a bug report I guess? | 23:41 |
| javispedro | meh, I can't verify this because all of my USB ports have two logical root hubs (root + intel's RMH one) | 23:44 |
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| javispedro | basically, mtp-probe.c:249 uses /^[0-9]+-[0-9]+\\:[0-9]+\\.[0-9]+$/ as regexp to see if a dirname is a candidate USB interface | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: n900? | 23:45 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: no, jolla in mtp mode | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ☺ | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | i mean all usb | 23:45 |
| javispedro | yet on my system Jolla's interfaces have the following dirnames: "1-1.2:1.4", "1-1.2:1.3" | 23:45 |
| javispedro | etc. so regexp doesn't match (if my brain's regexp skills aren't failing) | 23:46 |
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| javispedro | .oO(why does the SbJ appear behind the RMH hub? is it failing to negotiate hispeed?) | 23:50 |
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| javispedro | well, confirming, MTP works on e.g. the ideapad out of the box because of that | 23:57 |
| javispedro | lacking RMH, there's only one hub (root) between jolla and host | 23:58 |
| RST38h | Hi javispedro | 23:58 |
| javispedro | oh hi RST38h! | 23:58 |
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