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| artemma | pushed next flashlight version to harbour. Much-much faster torch start and preparations for cover control (need to check the approach is approved first) | 01:23 |
| artemma | harbour QA lately is taking over a week, so if you don't want to wait, you can grab a copy at http://bit.ly/flashlight23 | 01:23 |
| covox | ooh yes please | 01:28 |
| covox | bah, you just changed the teaser message on the cover control :P | 01:32 |
| artemma | covox: also changelog :) | 01:32 |
| artemma | startup is really much faster and.. more reliable, somebody told torch wasn't starting sometimes I think I removed the reason | 01:33 |
| artemma | also one bug fixed when torch was flashing shortly when entering app from app cover | 01:33 |
| covox | what's new in 2.3 from 2.2? | 01:34 |
| artemma | covox: read above ;) | 01:34 |
| covox | oh right | 01:34 |
| covox | there's no 2.3 entry in the changelog :) | 01:34 |
| artemma | but main reason for update is just to pass harbour QA. Activating cover control needs a trick that I want to validate with harbour QA | 01:35 |
| covox | fair enough | 01:35 |
| artemma | oups, I confused version numbers in changelog, sorry | 01:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | cvp pnuu flux quu Stskeeps On charging from TOH | 01:36 |
| artemma | There is no public version 2.2 actually (I released privately, but it was never accepted by harbour) | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | The first 'knee' in current is at about 1.5V where it goes to about a milliamp. I doubt this is actually charging in any way. If you increase voltage, then at about 4.4V, it starts making charging noises, and 4.5V will charge at 80mA.This current rises more or less linearly until at 5.2V it's taking 800mA | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The charger seems most stable if you set a current limit - not a voltage limit on your power supply, depending on what you canmanage. | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | This way it will charge as low as 50mA @ 4.3V. | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | This is with the stock software, not doing anything wierd, and about 50% battery. | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Most reliable way to charge with a low power supply is to have a CC / CV setup - with whatever current you can manage, limited to 5V | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | It does not seem to complainif you vary the charging voltage/current - as long as it doesn't go below 4.3V or so, when it stops - until thevoltage rises above that. | 01:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | any specific questions before I unhook it? | 01:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | As an aside. If you ever have 'is it in' issues in your electronics life - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MP-USB-digital-microscope-loupe-magnifier-webcam-endoscope-with-Metal-stand-UK-/191001311232?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item2c7890b800 | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Stronly recommended | 02:00 |
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| Mirv | I wonder if anyone knows the answer without pondering too much, but do I need to create eg. a systemd socket file for each web service I want to have? I'm trying to enable Eye-Fi support but can't seem to reach the port from outside even though the python server is running. | 05:32 |
| Mirv | sorry I'm kind of systemd newbie, I'm wondering whether it handles everything firewall as well | 05:33 |
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| Mirv | or if eg. default is all denied and it needs to be something like systemd instead of user process that listens to a port | 05:34 |
| Mirv | on N9 it was fine just running the same script | 05:34 |
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| Mirv | it's good to ask aloud, I get fresh ideas compared to yesterday evening. so, it's probable that in the tethering mode (via app) it only allows passing through. it seems I can telnet to the python port just fine if I'm normally connected to wlan. | 05:37 |
| Mirv | it doesn't bring me any closer to the solution, but at least I know it's not blocked on system level | 05:37 |
| Mirv | aha, aha, not even that, I had a typo in the first telnet. so it works and my problem is not Jolla specific but something to do with the eye-fi itself or the python script (that doesn't complain anything either). kthxbye. | 05:43 |
| Mirv | if I get eye-fi working at some point, I'll post to together | 05:43 |
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| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: thanks for the info on TOH current | 06:14 |
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| pawky|3 | Mirv: Well, you do have iptables, but it accepts all as default... | 06:47 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, a good morning discussion | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | if you have a jolla device, do you feel that 'Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | is not entirely correct? | 08:04 |
| salami` | how comE? | 08:04 |
| Waitee | lol the ui is not open source | 08:04 |
| stephg | I guess, 'truly' is the controversial word (but personally it does not bother me) | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | 'truly open' can really mean a lot of things - to some people it means truly open source, to others it means they can get full root, etc.. | 08:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: what I feel is Jolla is powered by some Jolla stuff. The Sailfish OS is just a name more than anything else | 08:05 |
| Sail0r | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/exclusive-interview-and-hands-on-with-marc-dillon-co-founder-and-head-of-software-at-jolla/ | 08:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | UI not being OSS is a pain for some too | 08:06 |
| Waitee | it would be nice to be oss | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | i can certainly understand the controversy; fwiw | 08:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it would be nice to have _more_ OSS, not full OSS | 08:06 |
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| Sail0r | except the UI everything is OSS or not? | 08:06 |
| Jope | not | 08:07 |
| Jope | but the vast majority is | 08:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: BTW, not speaking about OSS and stuff, there should be more cooperation. Jolla isn't advertizing their OSS roots a lot these days | 08:07 |
| Sail0r | what is also closed except ui? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png is a decent view of stack dependencies | 08:07 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: the openness of sailfish is debateable, as is the term 'open' | 08:07 |
| Waitee | you cant get an open source mp3 decoder i think | 08:07 |
| Waitee | or what it's called | 08:07 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I was actually (negatively) surprised by the number of closed packages as seen there | 08:07 |
| Jope | yeah codecs are closed, exchange active sync support, .. stuff like that | 08:07 |
| tbr | but that's the open source perspective | 08:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: nice chart | 08:08 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: you can, but it is under license: if you want to use it in a commercial product you need to pay | 08:08 |
| tbr | from a productization perspective it does make sense, but so did "openSolaris" | 08:08 |
| Sail0r | but the most packets there are UI related | 08:08 |
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| Waitee | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yeah i think it might be overemphasising it a bit since it's all packages from jolla-non-oss; and it's dependencies | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: there's always a bit more to it than that | 08:08 |
| tbr | and OOXML is 'open' too | 08:08 |
| Waitee | i still think closed source isnt such a bad thing always | 08:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: not bad but not good either | 08:09 |
| tbr | I'm just saying the term 'open' if you take it without clarification is horribly overloaded | 08:09 |
| Waitee | well it's just marketing tactics | 08:09 |
| tbr | cf OHA, OAA, ... | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps one way is to have a page that explains the exact definition of open, on the webpage | 08:09 |
| tbr | yes | 08:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what I would say, and this is a bit provocative, is that Jolla's advertizing as open is no more open than anything else | 08:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not more open than Android | 08:11 |
| * tbr concurs | 08:11 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Ubuntu touch is open: the dev process is open, everything is OSS | 08:11 |
| Waitee | well jolla is more open than android | 08:11 |
| joonahoi | as developer i'd hope that the different functionalities and libraries would be documented in some centralized location | 08:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jolla have closed source bits, closed dev process etc. | 08:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: provocative :) | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | the policy is really quite simple: if it's jolla look/feel/trademarks -> not automatically permitted to be open source; except when you get permission | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | which is fairly flexible | 08:12 |
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| Waitee | jolla is developed openly | 08:12 |
| joonahoi | it feels a bit obfusicated at the moment, as the documentation, or lack of. is spread all around nemo repos, qt, and silica | 08:12 |
| tbr | jolla, 23% more open than android! *snicker* | 08:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: Jolla's behaviour is open | 08:12 |
| joonahoi | :D | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | joonahoi: that we can probably agree on | 08:13 |
| Waitee | every version of android is developed behind closed doors and then revealed "hey we did this, how you like it?" | 08:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but the code is closed, and so is the process | 08:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what if 3rd parties have very nice ideas and would love them to be integrated ? | 08:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | think: a library that interfaces to a service etc. | 08:13 |
| tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: I find 'behaviour is open' highly debatable in this context | 08:14 |
| chriadam | there are plenty of channels where 3rd parties can talk to developers, though. | 08:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: :) | 08:14 |
| Waitee | Sfiet_Konstantin: well sailfish is opensource so they could make their own fork of sailfish if they wanted | 08:14 |
| Sail0r | most of the services are open | 08:14 |
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| tbr | Waitee: not all of it | 08:14 |
| Waitee | if jolla doesnt want to integrate stuff | 08:14 |
| artemma | own fork of nemo you mean ;) | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'll throw in a bit of a context here though; there's fully oss stacks out there, such as ubuntu touch or tizen, but they don't see the contributions you'd expect | 08:14 |
| Waitee | tbr: true, soem of the UI is closed source | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | what's the thing that goes wrong there? | 08:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: the strength of Jolla is to have aggregated a nice community | 08:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of devs and users | 08:15 |
| artemma | actually most of Silica is BSD iirc, so the only really closed thing is just Jolla apps, 3rd party of say HTC size could recreate them easily. Even by hiring alsmost same people | 08:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it started with Maemo era and is continuing now. Many people following MeeGo didn't followed Tizen, as they didn't feel at home | 08:15 |
| Waitee | i just want more apps from the original companies | 08:15 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'd rather ask, what's the thing that goes wrong _here_ because there is plenty rotten in the state of Denmark, so to say | 08:16 |
| Waitee | such as spotify, foursquare and facebook | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: that too | 08:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: they don't care I guess | 08:16 |
| chriadam | tbr: of course Jolla can improve. but Stskeeps point is that "be fully open" is not a panacea solution | 08:16 |
| chriadam | (I think) | 08:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: me too, but involving people in a process can help | 08:16 |
| chriadam | Sfiet_Konstantin: but it can also harm | 08:16 |
| tbr | chriadam: sure, and I don't ignore that, I'm just saying there is plenty to fix _here_ | 08:16 |
| chriadam | tbr: right | 08:17 |
| Waitee | Sfiet_Konstantin: not for now since they have enough problems dealing with android and ios support | 08:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what I feel is that 100 people to support a phone is not enough | 08:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Waitee: not until Jolla get > 25% marketshare | 08:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | BB10 and WP Facebook apps are developed by BB and MS | 08:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not by FB | 08:17 |
| Waitee | okay | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | the other side of the coin, which i've tried to articulate in other places, that UI is special: you don't design UI by committee; especially sailfish ui is very designer driven. what good does it do to open source something you can't truly involve people in? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's comparable to a code dump in my book | 08:18 |
| special | that's a lot of responsibility :< | 08:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: agree | 08:19 |
| tbr | one thing that's _both_ a problem in tizen, ubuntu AND sailfish is that they don't invite open source contributions, each in their own way | 08:19 |
| tbr | tizen has this "we will invite you if you're worthy" | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | (note, some of the above is my own opinion and intentionally controversial to help get the whole picture..) | 08:19 |
| artemma | well, you need some *very important app*. If vendors don't do then, somebody needs to | 08:19 |
| tbr | canonical has it's CLA | 08:19 |
| tbr | and sailfish has a completely intransparent, bordering on hostile development process | 08:20 |
| artemma | if community doesn't do *very important apps*, vendor has to do it himself or throw money at community/3rd parties | 08:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed, IMO, more than OSS, there is a need to empower 3rd parties (to use a word you like). The design area is very sensible to this: IMO, you need people to understand the design behind sailfish, to think sailfish, before allowing them to contribute back | 08:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however how to do that | 08:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: Friends, Tweetian. Companies don't through money to devs, but apps appears nevertheless | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: my slides for FOSDEM factually says this, that it's not clear currently how to really contribute to sailfishos beyond stuff like together.* | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | and that's not a good thing | 08:21 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: *IF* community doesn't do app, then money can solve it ;) | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, to follow how open source components make it into sailfish | 08:21 |
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| joonahoi | yeah, overview documentation about the building blocks of sailfish os would be great | 08:21 |
| Waitee | apps made by community are mostly beta | 08:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: if community doesn't do app, big companies don't care, anyway, the platform is 0.000001% of marketshare ;) | 08:22 |
| joonahoi | would serve as a good quick reference even though the package documentations themselves don't exist yet | 08:22 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yes, that's what I'm referring to | 08:22 |
| Waitee | it's not good for a smartphone manufacturer to rely on community so much in the long run | 08:22 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: also money is only one support option. Encouraging devs with e.g. free hardware, cool support or priority in app store queus are other means of support | 08:22 |
| joonahoi | for example: Notifications: provided by nemo packages X Y Z | 08:22 |
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| artemma | or making them stars on conferences or arranging contests | 08:22 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: pretty much the same is valid for the open source _apps_ story in sailfish | 08:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | joonahoi: there is a restricted list of API (mostly Qt / Silica) because of the state of the API (most of them are beta) | 08:23 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: all you see is "oh yeah, do cool apps, the community will spontaneously figure things out itself" | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: fair | 08:23 |
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| mfulz | does anyone know about the status of caldav/carddav? | 08:23 |
| Waitee | community will create apps but they are mostly unfinished and made as a hobby more than professional and smooth | 08:23 |
| chriadam | mfulz: sure | 08:23 |
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| tbr | and to be honest I find it insulting that the jolla g+ account keeps plussing my posts about there being no open source apps story, while the TJC question has _zarrrrro_ response | 08:24 |
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| chriadam | mfulz: https://github.com/maninc/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav is the sync adapter | 08:24 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: hehe, great, didn't followed this :) | 08:24 |
| tbr | or at least it shows a certain degree of schizophrenia | 08:24 |
| mfulz | ui nice | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | chriadam: oh -that's- where it is | 08:25 |
| tbr | something that I'd rather expect from a large corporation | 08:25 |
| mfulz | chriadam: is it stable enough to be used already? | 08:25 |
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| Pnuu | tbr: large? jolla? | 08:25 |
| chriadam | currently it has some assumptions built into (in particular, which accounts a valid sync profile will be generated for) which will need changing, before it works. | 08:25 |
| tbr | Pnuu: bingo! | 08:25 |
| Pnuu | oh, right :-) | 08:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tbr, Stskeeps not exactly schizophrenia, just the fact that (IMO) Jolla don't communicate enough, don't know why | 08:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so this appears as being hostile, while it might just be about: "what to reply to this ?" | 08:26 |
| Pnuu | Sfiet_Konstantin: or "oh, didn't notice that" | 08:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: will you share your FOSDEM slides ? | 08:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Pnuu: too | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | now, who of you would be interested in putting together a 3 month plan on how we make contribution and development of sailfishos more transparent? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: at my talk for various reasons | 08:26 |
| chriadam | Sfiet_Konstantin: maybe I'm too oldschool, but I like irc. if someone wants to find out something about sailfishOS or whatever, they can just say "hey, any jolla devs know about xxx" and then a jolla dev will say "I don't, but ask so and so" or "yes, I can help". | 08:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: me | 08:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: me too, this worked well for us during collaboration on social plugin | 08:27 |
| joonahoi | i can contribute my 2c for the plan, but i'm not experienced enough to handle it by myself | 08:27 |
| chriadam | yep | 08:27 |
| chriadam | i agree that it's ... ad hoc | 08:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (speaking about it: I need to polish next branch of social plugin and ask you to review it) | 08:28 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I feel this is something for the community roundtable at FOSDEM | 08:28 |
| chriadam | oh, yeah ;-) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: makes sense | 08:28 |
| tbr | btw: for that plan, can we explicityly avoid TJC? it's completely unsuitable for a discussion and shared collaboration process that large | 08:29 |
| tbr | we can link to it from TJC, fine | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSContributionAndDevelopment | 08:30 |
| tbr | yes, that sort of thing | 08:30 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | geez, I missed your post on TJC Stskeeps, you should have advertized it a bit more | 08:32 |
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| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, this is what prompted this discussion in first place | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 08:33 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: question unrelated, do you know who hosts piratepad ? | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: pirate party probably | 08:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: hehe | 08:36 |
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| sharpneli | Regarding the discussion about development Openness. Isn't canonical process more like a free work agreement? You need to sign CLA which gives them right to close your contributions | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | i think the current oss mood towards CLA is not terribly good no :) | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | https://plus.google.com/+ScottJamesRemnant/posts/SiDSNnr5JTY | 08:54 |
| Pnuu | "not terribly good no", is that "weeeel, maybe no"?-) | 08:54 |
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| sharpneli | Imho it's not real opensource development. It's closed source development with the facade of open source. | 08:56 |
| sharpneli | Completely agree with cott. | 08:57 |
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| sharpneli | About the piratebad discussion. I'd wish for complete true sailfish sdk availability outside of the vbox environment. Now the alternative seems to be the Mer platform SDK which is (or is it?) not exactly the same as sailfish sdk | 09:09 |
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| sharpneli | The vbox has some issues with certain builds as some stupid build scripts want to use hard links and vbox sharing does not support it | 09:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sharpneli: I think (not sure) that you can export the "mersdk" content to a mer platform sdk | 09:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this requires setup | 09:10 |
| sharpneli | Sfiet_Konstantin: I tried. By the gods did it fail badly. The root folders went absolutely haywire etc. | 09:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sharpneli: geez :( | 09:11 |
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| sharpneli | Even tough SBconfig was correct still the target pulled it's root from totally wrong place in the sdk etc :p | 09:11 |
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| sharpneli | And looking at the mersdk setup guide I'm not exactly surprised of the outcome. It's veritable mess of workarounds for various bugs. | 09:13 |
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| * Stskeeps backs out temporarily of the etherpad | 09:16 | |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: thanks for launching the discussion. I was waiting for this actually | 09:17 |
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| joonahoi | Stskeeps: thumbs up for the "truly open" approach on this issue btw. | 09:17 |
| sharpneli | Indeed. Props to Stskeeps. | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | one of the things i learnt in my days at university is that if you work with something very deepily for a long time, you start to ignore the issues and not be able to see it like an initial contributor/user would | 09:18 |
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| Acce | Stskeeps: I agree this is true, not only with code but everything in life | 09:20 |
| sharpneli | I'm still somewhat confused by the need to even have Mer -> Nemo -> Sailfish | 09:21 |
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| sharpneli | And the need to maintain the slight incompatibilities between them. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | it's a seperation we did to make sure that we kept things open source; and a rescue boat in case our effort didn't work | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | mer/nemo is useful for many other business area | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:21 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. | 09:22 |
| sledges | + | 09:22 |
| sledges | 1 | 09:22 |
| sharpneli | So if Jolla fails the next attempt is going to be Uimapatja? (Swimming mattress) :D | 09:23 |
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| sharpneli | Had to say it, sorry :) | 09:23 |
| * Stskeeps adds etherpad to his fosdem talk | 09:23 | |
| sharpneli | Are the Jolla guys currently the majority developing Mer? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but there's others too | 09:24 |
| stephg | weird, my phone just updated itself to 1.0.2.5 again | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | soon | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| sharpneli | It just seems MerSDK has been left to anguish. I mean come on. echo 5.9.68.173 repo.pub.meego.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts :D | 09:25 |
| * tbr can't wait for 1.0.3.x to arrive | 09:25 | |
| tbr | that dumb 'new update' bug will be gone | 09:26 |
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| stephg | yup | 09:26 |
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| mikma | what's the story of the guy that has 1.0.3.3 on his jolla after it was being repaired? | 09:27 |
| mikma | http://jollasuomi.fi/seuraava-sailfish-paivitys-on-1-0-3-3-naamankajarvi/ | 09:27 |
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| tbr | mikma: somebody screwed up and flashed the wrong version? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: did you watch mission impossible ghost protocol where they climb outside the big building? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | basically that, but jolla HQ.. | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:28 |
| flux | iirc it was claimed the next version should arrive this month, so there's not a lot time left ;) | 09:28 |
| mikma | stskeeps: hah. i sure did | 09:28 |
| mikma | stskeeps: any sandstorms in pirkkala lately? ;) | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | flux: still 2 days :D | 09:29 |
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| mikma | oh.... hehe: http://foorumi.jollasuomi.fi/index.php/topic,440.msg3250.html#msg3250 | 09:31 |
| * tbr personally expects it to ship this weekend ±2 days | 09:32 | |
| sharpneli | So they finally fixed the tohd.service officially :) | 09:32 |
| flux | dishing out firmwares on friday is the best idea ;-) | 09:32 |
| sharpneli | That's pretty much what happened to my battery usage | 09:32 |
| flux | but I guess, they've tested it properly, no ohshit can happen.. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | flux: you have to remember that we don't really know what weekends are.. | 09:32 |
| tbr | and this time it's FOSDEM | 09:33 |
| flux | stskeeps, excellent point | 09:33 |
| flux | stskeeps, do you know even what's night and day? | 09:33 |
| * tbr expects people in a panic trying to get on FOSDEM wifi to get the update ;) | 09:33 | |
| tbr | flux: he's got a toddler, _he_ certainly doesn't | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo | hi ! can someone at jolla confirm that 4G support will be part of the soon-to-be-released upgrade of SailfishOS ? | 09:37 |
| leinir | nope ;) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: no; this isn't an official channel | 09:37 |
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| TheBootroo | my operator supports 4G without additionnal cost since december and i would like to be able to use it | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: certainly but lots of officials here | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | @JollaHQ ; www.jolla.com info@ or care@ for anything remotely official | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:38 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: check the release notes, once they appear (e.g. on the sailfish-dev list or on TJC) | 09:38 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: btw, I have to take my hat off to whoever engineered the deal with DNA - you guys certainly are getting promoted well over there... | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | anyway, it can be at max 2 days until upgrade is out, so i'll wait and see | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | will we have a kind of changelog in the update page ? | 09:39 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: last time it was in the places I mentioned | 09:40 |
| TheBootroo | +- | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ | 09:40 |
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| mikma | heh, the fastboot is still locked? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | soon fixed, promise | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | update2 is what's out atm | 09:46 |
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| mikma | "14 hours ago via Jolla" rather nice feature in facebook, hehe | 09:53 |
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| Yaniel | can't be long until next update now... | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | 0.7483151373309276 | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | just choose scaling and unit approriately | 10:27 |
| joonahoi | wrong channel? | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nope | 10:29 |
| Pnuu | nope | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is about when the update is comping | 10:29 |
| joonahoi | wuut, what i'm missing | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks to Pnuu, there is a 0.74... probability that it comes today | 10:29 |
| joonahoi | ah, righto | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or something like that | 10:29 |
| joonahoi | :D | 10:29 |
| joonahoi | me slow, more coffee | 10:29 |
| tachikoma | wrong channel posts are my task ;) | 10:29 |
| mornfall | :D | 10:29 |
| stephg | probable probability | 10:29 |
| joonahoi | tachikoma: at least you tag them with wrong language too | 10:30 |
| Frye | =) | 10:30 |
| mornfall | every day is an adventure! | 10:30 |
| Pnuu | joonahoi: I guess it was yesterday that we thought that there should be a random-walk -based "ETA of the next update" app | 10:30 |
| sharpneli | def random(): return 0.7483151373309276 # Fair random number chosen by excellent RNG | 10:30 |
| tachikoma | lol, yeah | 10:30 |
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| sharpneli | Pnuu: Actually one should make an app that feeds the ETA of next update to /dev/random to give massive increase to pool entropy :D | 10:31 |
| joonahoi | Pnuu: would get twice the downloads of the most popular store packages | 10:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: On the 'open' debate - is there a similar 'what is open and what is not' page that we should be pointing people to, like was made for Maemo? | 10:31 |
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| joonahoi | (as ppl will re-download because they think it has to be malfunctioning) | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: hopefully one that's less crap | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:32 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 10:32 |
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| Pnuu | joonahoi: oh, and that ETA-app should get tons of new versions "fixed some issues" | 10:47 |
| joonahoi | ;) | 10:48 |
| Pnuu | "enhanced the algorithm" = "multiplied by pi and divided by e" | 10:48 |
| Tofe | Pnuu: I started a little app for the ETA yesterday evening | 10:49 |
| Pnuu | yay! :-D | 10:49 |
| Tofe | of course, the release date for this app will be varying a lot ^^ | 10:49 |
| Tofe | but I'll do something simple so that we can play a bit with it before the update actually is released | 10:50 |
| Yaniel | hurry up then :D | 10:50 |
| Tofe | :P | 10:52 |
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| Pnuu | hurry up randomly! | 10:55 |
| salami` | has there been any information regarding cordova? | 10:56 |
| salami` | or is it still "we're investigating" | 10:56 |
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| mfulz | is there some sip program for jolla? | 11:09 |
| sharpneli | I've tried to search how to get MerSDK to get full Sailfish repos but to no avail. Should I just try to copy the repos from the SailfishSDK and hope the packages install correctly? | 11:09 |
| tbr | mfulz: platform supports SIP | 11:09 |
| tbr | mfulz: but it's not fully enabled | 11:09 |
| tbr | see TJC | 11:09 |
| tbr | https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/#comment-17854 | 11:09 |
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| Acce | Tofe: I'm interested in the ETA app too, what features have you planned for now? :) | 11:10 |
| tbr | mfulz: make sure to click on more comments to see the whole discussion | 11:10 |
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| mfulz | ok thanks | 11:12 |
| mfulz | reading already | 11:12 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | The first rule of #jollamobile is you don't ask about the update. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | The second rule: You don't ask about the update. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Third rule: If someone says "update" the update is delayed | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Fourth rule: Only two guys to a Jolla. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Fift rule: One update at a time. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Sixth rule: No screen protectors, no cases. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Seventh rule: Time between updates is as long as it takes. | 11:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Eighth rule: If this is your first night with Jolla, you have to update. | 11:30 |
| Pnuu | ninth rule: soon(tm) | 11:32 |
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| stephg | need a rule about a querty ToH | 11:38 |
| sharpneli | I kinda miss good ol Nokia days. You could hack something weird, commit, wait like 5 mins or so and download a flashable image to test things. | 11:38 |
| * sharpneli is engulfed in nostalgy | 11:39 | |
| Tofe | Acce: i've planned to integrate some progress bar (not limited to 100%), an ETA "countdown" (or up), some status messages | 11:40 |
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| gabriel9|work | got my jolla | 11:41 |
| gabriel9|work | now what? :D | 11:41 |
| Waitee | :3 | 11:41 |
| Waitee | gj | 11:41 |
| Waitee | well what do you normally do with a phone? | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | duno | 11:42 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: fourth rule ;-) | 11:42 |
| Waitee | call your mom | 11:42 |
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| gabriel9|work | call people | 11:42 |
| gabriel9|work | i can do that :D | 11:42 |
| mikma | install Heebo | 11:43 |
| Waitee | :D | 11:43 |
| mikma | and say bye bye to the battery :P | 11:43 |
| Waitee | why did you buy jolla if you didnt need it for anything? | 11:43 |
| Pnuu | dang, wrong gabriel.. | 11:43 |
| mikma | my reasons were simple: i hated my samsung galaxy s3 mini so my wife bought jolla for me as xmas present.. whee! | 11:44 |
| Pnuu | gabriel9|work: first: don't install anything, updgrade to 1.0.2.5 | 11:44 |
| Waitee | my reasons: had htc wildfire for 3 years | 11:44 |
| Waitee | yepp it has worse specs than raspberry pi | 11:44 |
| Waitee | except it has integrated wifi | 11:45 |
| mikma | interesting fact | 11:45 |
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| chem|st | wonderful... who is eric in here? | 11:48 |
| Waitee | have you guys used netflix on jolla? | 11:54 |
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| Waitee | android netflix | 11:54 |
| sremes | I've tested it, seems to work | 11:55 |
| mikma | yeap | 11:55 |
| ln- | Waitee: i've used it too, it works. | 11:55 |
| mikma | too bad that the chromecast streaming doesn't work yet | 11:55 |
| Waitee | signing in is weird | 11:55 |
| Waitee | the keyboard doesnt pop up | 11:56 |
| ln- | hmm, i don't remember any trouble with signing in. | 11:56 |
| Waitee | ->reboot | 11:56 |
| Acce | Tofe: ok, cool :D | 11:57 |
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| gabriel9|work | installed and updated :D | 11:59 |
| gabriel9|work | Pnuu: did i make mistake? | 11:59 |
| VDVsx | chem|st, Which Eric are you looking for ? | 11:59 |
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| Tofe | Acce: anyway, as soon as I'll have something almost running, I'll put it on github; I'm sure a lot of people here have many excellent ideas that I could miss | 12:00 |
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| mikma | gabriel9|work: more self-functionality is always a good thing. try first, then ask if everything else fails. that's how you learn. | 12:01 |
| gabriel9|work | ofc | 12:04 |
| Venemo | I just came accross this: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ae/2014/01/could-jolla-drop-beta-sign-with.html | 12:04 |
| chem|st | VDVsx: together admin eric | 12:05 |
| VDVsx | eleroux, ^ | 12:05 |
| chem|st | Venemo: nice irc-client video (did not look for it yet) | 12:05 |
| chem|st | Venemo: does it ssl otr or anything other special yet? | 12:07 |
| Venemo | chem|st: it supports ssl, yes. what is otr? | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: cool, thanks for the link | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | otr over irc? :P | 12:08 |
| Venemo | what is otr? | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | off the record | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | is a protocol that you use for IM | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | pidgin supports it | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | adium too | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | let me find a link | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ | 12:09 |
| Venemo | this is an IRC client, not a (whatever else) client | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | 12:08 < ggabriel> otr over irc? :P | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | double :P | 12:09 |
| eleroux | chem|st: how can I help you? | 12:10 |
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| Tofe | Venemo: is communi already proposed to harbour ? | 12:19 |
| Venemo | Tofe: we have a few bugs to iron out first :) | 12:19 |
| Tofe | oki | 12:21 |
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| Pnuu | gabriel9|work: well, if it worked, no :-) | 12:33 |
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| AL13N_work | how's the WeeC.R.AP. ? | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | :D | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: eric is eleroux iirc | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | I'll continue it tomorrow, but probably not much coding | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | have to plan the UI and modules first | 12:37 |
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| TemeV | Nicd-: what is there to plan with UI, just copy it from communi :) | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | but I don't want to :P | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | and it does not work completely | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | *won't | 12:39 |
| tbr | do I hear the sound of NIH? | 12:40 |
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| Yaniel | because window splits etc | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | but as a basis it would be good IMO | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | window splits? | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: I called it WeeCRApp | 12:41 |
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| Nicd- | anyway, this is a relay app, not an IRC client so some UI things should be different | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | communi-sailfish's sidebars look nice though | 12:43 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: yeah we are already talking | 12:45 |
| Nicd- | I also have one idea in mind on how to make opening URLs better | 12:45 |
| svuorela | hmm.. I apparantly don't receive text messages - what to look for ? | 12:45 |
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| Yaniel | on another note: the default fonts appear to be missing half-width kana among other things | 12:46 |
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| AL13N_work | Yaniel: you mean like japanese "tsu" ? | 12:55 |
| AL13N_work | or? | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | yes | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | specifically the half-width versions | 12:56 |
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| Yaniel | that is, ｲﾛﾊﾆﾎﾍﾄﾞ vs イロハニホヘド | 12:59 |
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| AL13N_work | right | 13:04 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't know there were small width versions... how do you get those when you're using an UI? | 13:04 |
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| AL13N_work | or is this like a different font thingie? | 13:05 |
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| Yaniel | the IME has an option to write halfwidh katakana | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | instead of fullwidth or hiragana | 13:06 |
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| __pv | what happened with harbour-sgauth? it used to be v0.3 in jolla store, but it seem it's been downgraded to v0.2-2 there --- the qr code scan functionality disappeared | 13:17 |
| __pv | this seems to trigger a bug in jolla store --- the store app states that an sgauth upgrade is available, which doesn't seem to be true (pkcon update says no updates, rpm -qi harbour-sgauth reports version 0.2-2) | 13:18 |
| joonahoi | __pv: are you sure you didn't download the newer version from operepos previously | 13:19 |
| joonahoi | then perhaps removed the repo afterwards? | 13:19 |
| __pv | joonahoi: I haven't installed anything from openrepos | 13:19 |
| joonahoi | ok | 13:19 |
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| Sail0r | crappy update popup for 1.0.2.5 | 13:27 |
| Sail0r | I hoped it was for 1.0.3.3 ^^ | 13:27 |
| vesqu_ | :) | 13:28 |
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| pp | Sail0r: every time they touch the server that seems to trigger, so it's stil a good sign :-) | 13:30 |
| Sail0r | :) | 13:30 |
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| Tofe | I really have to hurry up with my ETA app | 13:37 |
| Tofe | maybe I should include milliseconds too | 13:37 |
| joonahoi | I'll make eta app that estimates eta for your eta app | 13:39 |
| Tofe | joonahoi: thanks! | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I shall make an ETA-ETA-ETA app. | 13:40 |
| joonahoi | we must go deeper | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | awk 'BEGIN{print "real soon now"}' | 13:40 |
| Tofe | The number of apps on jolla store will soon explode | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | so instead of fart apps it will be full of ETA and meta-ETA apps? | 13:41 |
| joonahoi | I can make an app to estimate the amount of eta apps | 13:41 |
| Tofe | On version 0.0002, I may include an "inception" ETA for my own app | 13:41 |
| Tofe | (which will crash, of course) | 13:41 |
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| jubo2 | ok hth do I get out of Jolla browser | 13:48 |
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| stephg | joonahoi what's the ETA for your ETA estimating app? | 13:48 |
| jubo2 | it's all stuck, won't let me enter or tap | 13:48 |
| joonahoi | i'm still estimating | 13:48 |
| joonahoi | could use app for that | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: push it down, like any other app | 13:48 |
| stephg | if only someone could write one... | 13:48 |
| joonahoi | yeah.. if only.... | 13:49 |
| Acce | Tofe, we are depending on you | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | so, we'll get an update tomorrow, right? :D | 13:49 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: push down over screen quits app ? | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | yes | 13:50 |
| jubo2 | tnx Yaniel | 13:50 |
| Acce | I can translate the ETA app into finnish: "AS sovellus" | 13:50 |
| Yaniel | the manual does explain that ^^ | 13:51 |
| Yaniel | you might also get a popup "app <name> is not responding" | 13:51 |
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| jubo2 | I am discovering things by chance | 13:53 |
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| jubo2 | like I didn't know on can hold a key down and keep it there untill ready to release | 13:53 |
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| jubo2 | that's really nice.. | 13:54 |
| Venemo | if you read the introduction when you first start the device, you know 99% of the things you need | 13:56 |
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| Tofe | Acce: I'll be using the "LaRache" developpment method, no worries http://bit.ly/1fjrZSu | 13:57 |
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| Acce | amazing! I didnt know such method exists | 13:59 |
| stephg | excellent | 14:00 |
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| Tofe | sorry for the images in french, google is such a lazy translator | 14:00 |
| AL13N_work | i discovered recently that brightness is auto-adjusted on the jolla | 14:02 |
| AL13N_work | how nice! | 14:02 |
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| AL13N_work | the simple fact that it takes me more than 1 month to notice this, is the actual point | 14:02 |
| * AL13N_work gives thumbs up | 14:02 | |
| stephg | is there an estimate of the eta of the eta estimating app? | 14:03 |
| AL13N_work | no, the ETA-ETA-ETA-ETA app isn't ready yet | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | stephg: it is clear that that eta is being calculated by a prototype of the eta app, which isn't finished yet BUT an eta is being calculated by a prior prototype to that prototype and so on | 14:04 |
| sharpneli | I've heard rumours that someone knows the eta when eta-eta-eta-eta-eta-eta planning committee is going to have it's first meeting | 14:04 |
| Tofe | If I'm fast enough, maybe I could give a conference about it at FOSDEM ? | 14:04 |
| stephg | Tofe, sounds like a great idea | 14:05 |
| AL13N_work | haha, nice | 14:05 |
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| AL13N_work | oh, ssssh, he's here | 14:05 |
| Tofe | oops | 14:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe, AL13N_work, the infamous La Rache method <3 | 14:07 |
| jubo2 | I want a cancel button | 14:08 |
| AL13N_work | hey, i didn't know it existed, but apparently i've been using it since years | 14:08 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: for what? | 14:08 |
| jubo2 | When I want to cancel some state | 14:09 |
| jubo2 | i.e. to go backwards | 14:09 |
| AL13N_work | i would like the "end call" button to dissapear | 14:09 |
| AL13N_work | and slide backwards instead | 14:10 |
| AL13N_work | or pulley menu | 14:10 |
| AL13N_work | (and also displaying the number when called) | 14:10 |
| Tofe | slide backwards seems to be what you call Cancel, yes | 14:10 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: to not have buttons is how the UI works | 14:10 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: yes another button noone needs... | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | swipe right. and read the manual | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | it has pictures | 14:11 |
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| chem|st | Tofe: you have these dots on top of pages which are actually also buttons if you are deamed to use buttons but yes pull-right (backwards) is usually cancel | 14:12 |
| chem|st | jubo2: ^^ for you too | 14:12 |
| chem|st | some pages actualy show "Cancel" | 14:13 |
| Tofe | chem|st: ah yes, true | 14:13 |
| jubo2 | I'm trying to "save contact" | 14:14 |
| jubo2 | It doesn't have a field to enter the name | 14:14 |
| chem|st | the first handson video ever showed a guy unfamiliar with the UI use the dots as buttons instead of pulling | 14:14 |
| Yaniel | if you start the gesture, the page title is updated to show what you are about to do | 14:14 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: come again, I do not understand | 14:14 |
| Yaniel | then you can either finish or abort it | 14:14 |
| AL13N_work | jubo2: top part has first name, last name and nickname...? | 14:14 |
| chem|st | jubo2: what page are you at so I can reproduce | 14:15 |
| jubo2 | chem|st: I was in phone log. Then I press longtime this one number which opens the drop-down menu from which I choose "add contact". Result doesn't have a field for name | 14:15 |
| Yaniel | is there a big + button somewhere? | 14:16 |
| chem|st | jubo2: pull down menu | 14:16 |
| chem|st | save | 14:16 |
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| chem|st | there are actual flaws in the naming of things | 14:17 |
| jubo2 | chem|st: my bad ( once again ) | 14:17 |
| jubo2 | if it glows, there is stuff | 14:17 |
| chem|st | jubo2: yes | 14:17 |
| ggabriel | and if it blinks, there is radioactive stuff! :) | 14:17 |
| chem|st | save as contact does the same as on known contacts - opens a contact card | 14:17 |
| * ggabriel loves it when it blinks | 14:17 | |
| chem|st | but that you need to save^^ | 14:17 |
| AL13N_work | maybe the save contact should go directly to the edit contact page | 14:18 |
| AL13N_work | that would solve everything | 14:18 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: ticking is usually a bomb | 14:18 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: Switch.busy = true | 14:18 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: I write it to together if not already there | 14:18 |
| AL13N_work | i need to put this in my systemd-UI | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: what would that do? | 14:18 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: go radioactive | 14:19 |
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| Tofe | yep. But I like blinking too. | 14:22 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: the benefit is that you can't repress it again while it's stopping, in order to not have conflicts | 14:22 |
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| Tofe | ok, I'm convinced | 14:25 |
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| AL13N_work | there's a description anyway below as to what's going on, so it'll be clear imho | 14:25 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: https://together.jolla.com/question/21360/bug-phone-save-as-contact/ | 14:27 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: i voted up | 14:28 |
| artemma | me too | 14:29 |
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| jubo2 | chem|st: right on | 14:32 |
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| jubo2 | I have a minimalist calendar | 14:34 |
| jubo2 | on the Jolla | 14:34 |
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| jubo2 | I want to access and edit the calendar data on computer. | 14:35 |
| jubo2 | it's just so much faster then tappin' away at the phone | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | if anybody is in warsaw, poland, at hackerspace warsaw there's a sailfishos demo tonight | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | at 18:00 | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: if you have a google or exchange calendar you can sync | 14:39 |
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| Yaniel | other caldav calendars should follow soon | 14:39 |
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| jubo2 | I have to check if we have exchange calendar from school | 14:40 |
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| ar | Stskeeps: yay | 14:40 |
| ar | Stskeeps: i'll be there :) | 14:41 |
| chem|st | jubo2: I am waiting for caldav as we use a communigate solution that is incompatible with the usual MfE stuff | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | ar: cool | 14:43 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, i wish you maximum success for your talk at fosdem :) | 14:44 |
| jubo2 | But isn't Googel all in NSA's pocket ? | 14:44 |
| AL13N_work | yesh | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: as long as i'm sober, everything will be fine | 14:45 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: you have a talk? | 14:45 |
| rcg | :D | 14:45 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: when? | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/technical_introduction_to_the_deeper_parts_of_sailfishos,_a_qt5_wayland_based_mobile_os/ | 14:45 |
| AL13N_work | ooh, jolla talk, nice | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | my first talk in over a year | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: i hope they have non alcoholic beer at the beer event (or you packed plenty of ibuprofen to combat the hangover) ;-) | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:46 |
| Plnt | btw. is it already known where the community round-table will be held? i don't know personally anybody there so not sure who to ask there except catching Stskeeps after the talk :) | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Plnt: since it's a BoF room it's unknown until the day | 14:48 |
| Plnt | ah, okay | 14:48 |
| Plnt | so i guess i'll try to follow the biggest crowd :) | 14:48 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: we could have a beer at noon ;) | 14:48 |
| tbr | Plnt: we'll make sure to advertize it, somehow | 14:49 |
| Plnt | or ask here on irc | 14:49 |
| Plnt | tbr: cool, thx | 14:49 |
| Plnt | tbr: maybe some flyer on the door or sth like that | 14:49 |
| tbr | Plnt: best subscribe to the FOSDEM topic on TJC and check your mail :) | 14:49 |
| Plnt | yeah, i'm already there :) | 14:49 |
| tbr | Plnt: yes, that will likely be the fallback | 14:49 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: what devices will be demoed? | 14:49 |
| rcg | ggabriel, Stskeeps well the start is at 15:00 so being half-way sober should be manageable :) | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: jolla device only, i didn't have time to prepare any others | 14:50 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: happen to know if phdeswer is already down there? | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: he is | 14:50 |
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| ggabriel | rcg: depends on how much you drink, how much you mix, how old you are, how long you party i'd say | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | (a friend told me ;-) ) | 14:50 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I haven't heard from the restaurant, if he isn't totally overwhelmed, it would be awesome if he could check in with them | 14:50 |
| rcg | ggabriel, ah yeah.. got many of those friends myself :) | 14:50 |
| tbr | would suck if we'd end up with no space for the dinner and having to walk around | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: /msg'ing phdeswer should do the trick | 14:50 |
| tbr | ok | 14:51 |
| tbr | will do | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: mcdonalds as backup | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:51 |
| tbr | lol | 14:51 |
| phdeswer | I am here | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | mcdonalds is so bad that it tells the body to cancel the hangover "or else" | 14:51 |
| phdeswer | tbr: Stskeeps : what do you need me for? | 14:51 |
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| * ggabriel stops with drinking comments and goes to work | 14:52 | |
| tbr | phdeswer: http://www.alamortsubite.com/ENG/info.html | 14:52 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: what's the time over there? | 14:52 |
| Plnt | tbr: i was in that restaurant where the community dinner is scheduled twice in the past years and it was always really crowded so some kind of booking would be good :) | 14:52 |
| tbr | phdeswer: haven't heard back to my email, could you check with them? | 14:52 |
| tbr | phdeswer: 20 ppl, 1930, saturday was my request | 14:52 |
| phdeswer | tbr: Under your name? | 14:53 |
| tbr | yes and I mentioned sailfish too | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: i'll mention any changes in my talk at least / where things are | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | and try to tweet about it | 14:54 |
| phdeswer | tbr: so just check if the reservation is ok? | 14:54 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: that would be great. thanks! | 14:54 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: yes, thanks. (I had sent an email on the 28th) | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: 14.55 | 14:55 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: and you're going to work this late? | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: :-) | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | i meant continue working | 14:57 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: ah, sorry | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | but starting at this time isn't unknown to me anyway | 14:58 |
| phdeswer | tbr: drink + food? | 14:59 |
| phdeswer | seems they had email issues | 14:59 |
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| tbr | phdeswer: yes | 14:59 |
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| phdeswer | tbr: ok everything ok. | 15:01 |
| tbr | \o/ | 15:01 |
| tbr | thanks a million | 15:01 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: are you using a blank device or do you finally have some demo-app at hand? | 15:01 |
| phdeswer | 19h30, 20 ppl on sat 1feb | 15:01 |
| phdeswer | Just call if you're running late | 15:01 |
| * tbr marks the stuff final on the TJC | 15:01 | |
| tbr | hotel is around the corner, so we'll be there on Time I'd expect | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: we have demo content | 15:01 |
| tbr | but yeah, making a note | 15:01 |
| phdeswer | I probably will not be able to join, but get in touch with me if there are language issues | 15:02 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: a device with random content for demo purpose, so no tricks :/ | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i rarely do tricks, :P | 15:02 |
| chem|st | true story bro | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | except for when the %$@%@ device crashed and you do a quick hand gesture to shut the thing down and back up.. | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | (happened before device launch..) | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | but that's part of the magic | 15:03 |
| chem|st | so not still there? I was wondering about a hard-shutdown feature | 15:04 |
| chem|st | apart of removing the battery | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | i think you can do that with a long shutdown, i think | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | ie, hold down power button | 15:05 |
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| chem|st | that is soft shutdown, as the device actually does shutdown, I mean mor like a reset button | 15:05 |
| tbr | no, there is hard shutdown | 15:05 |
| tbr | it's also on the power button | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | hard shutdown is sometimes done by the PMIC from how i understand it | 15:05 |
| chem|st | tbr: holding it like 10 seconds? | 15:06 |
| tbr | chem|st: yes, I've done it when the device wouldn't respond to unlock once or twice | 15:06 |
| chem|st | oh well I thought I managed to trigger a normal shutdown as the light went on and stuff | 15:07 |
| chem|st | there should be a warning on those devices that you may fry your hardware when device is still shutting down and you remove the battery | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: that's what our red LED is for, fwiw | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | to show we're still alive | 15:08 |
| chem|st | well android devices are most of the time still ON in terms for about 20-30 seconds | 15:08 |
| chem|st | without notification of any kind | 15:09 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: should we prepare, long, hard, complex questions? | 15:09 |
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| Acce | hmmm.. does jolla have support for bluetooth keyboards? | 16:12 |
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| ggabriel | Acce: nope afaik, there is something to vote about that in tjc | 16:17 |
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| tbr | Acce: given that the emulator has to be able to deal with regular kbd input, it shouldn't be too hard to wire things up | 16:18 |
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| Mirv | ok, I figured out the Eye-Fi usage with Jolla. it was only a card problem. | 16:31 |
| Mirv | as promised, I wrote a guide to together :) https://together.jolla.com/question/21410/how-do-i-use-eye-fi-sd-card-to-upload-photos-from-camera-to-jolla | 16:31 |
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| ottulo | why not as a wiki? | 16:34 |
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| Acce | well, I'm gonna order two, try to get the other working via BL and other one I'll take a part and maybe try to put it in TOH.. | 16:37 |
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| clau | is anyone else having problems with the Store reporting updates as being available, when there really aren't ? | 16:44 |
| ottulo | clau: says for me there's an update for sgauth, yet it fails to update | 16:44 |
| ottulo | others apps I've successfully installed though | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | i heard about the sgauth before in this channel | 16:45 |
| clau | currently I have Hunger Meter and Quick Launcher | 16:45 |
| clau | there was another one, but it was reported on together.jolla.com and something was probably done about it | 16:46 |
| clau | pkcon get-updates doesn't report any apps | 16:46 |
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| mornfall | clau: everybody :D | 16:52 |
| clau | :) | 16:53 |
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| clau | unfortunately you can't even clear this type of notifications from the notifications screen. | 16:54 |
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| Quu | you can, by clicking on it | 16:56 |
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| Quu | but it appears again in about 0.1 sec | 16:56 |
| clau | which opens the Store and so on | 16:56 |
| clau | well, it doesn't bother me that much. I hope I won't miss important and real updates because of it though :) | 16:57 |
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| mornfall | clau: don't worry, it'll be all over the internet when the big updates comes (hopefully sooner than summer) | 16:58 |
| mornfall | update* | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | tomorrow latest! | 16:59 |
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| clau | ggabriel, I will hold you responsible for that, if it doesn't happen! | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | clau: you can do that, yeah, i'll take the hit if it doesn't happen, but i don't care too much :) | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | (jolla said jan 2014 anyway, that's what i base my assumption on) | 17:00 |
| clau | :D | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, an update may distract me too much | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | but what can you do | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | getting distracted is a nice thing | 17:00 |
| clau | Life is boring without distractions. | 17:01 |
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| ar | we have abducted Stskeeps ;) | 17:01 |
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| ggabriel | ar: treat him well | 17:02 |
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| Quu | ggabriel: would not hold my breath | 17:03 |
| Quu | pretty sure its not tomorrow | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | Quu: so, if it comes out tomorrow, you won't upgrade then? :) | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, not a very good idea to release on a friday | 17:04 |
| Quu | yeah, thats why i dont think its coming tomorrow | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | unless you have a bunch of guys waiting to answer questions during the weekend | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | the other upgrades, however, were over xmas, so that was even worse | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | nothing is stopping jolla from releasing tomorrow, except low tide perhaps | 17:05 |
| Quu | iirc it was 27.12. | 17:05 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/dIbxPVHJEw8 maybe we need to do same kind of video | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | ha | 17:05 |
| Eztran | Is everyone else thinking of Jolla as the Valve of mobiles now, too? | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | valve is too big me thinks | 17:06 |
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| Quu | maybe my "valve-tomorrow" answers dont help with that :p | 17:06 |
| Eztran | True, though they weren't always. But, y'know, 'when it's done', community-oriented, turn out pretty consistently great stuff :) | 17:07 |
| sremes | HL3 confitmed! | 17:07 |
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| roboro | HarhaanJohtaja: lol | 17:19 |
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| svuorela | hmm... somehow I don't receive text messages when sent to me. How should I look into what's going on ? | 17:23 |
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| cb400f | svuorela: yikes... have you tried turning it off and on again? ;-) | 17:29 |
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| Pnuu | svuorela: do you have the sms settings in the phone? | 17:30 |
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| svuorela | cb400f: a couple of times. | 17:30 |
| svuorela | Pnuu: the sms settings ? | 17:31 |
| Pnuu | yeah, from the service provider | 17:31 |
| Sail0r | nice one: http://vimeo.com/85450949 | 17:31 |
| Pnuu | I received the settings automatically from saunalahti | 17:31 |
| svuorela | Pnuu: it worked a week ago. | 17:31 |
| Pnuu | ok | 17:32 |
| cb400f | do you trust those people not to send mms or other funky stuff? | 17:32 |
| cb400f | and you can receive voice calls? | 17:32 |
| svuorela | I received a text message on friday and haven't received anything since. First I thought my friends to have left me, but now I have actually tested stuff. | 17:33 |
| svuorela | cb400f: I can receive voice calls. I can send text messages. | 17:33 |
| nathrakh | is .vault only for backups, is it safe to clear or does the phone actually store accounts etc there to read | 17:33 |
| Pnuu | svuorela: check settings -> applications -> messages -> sms center address | 17:33 |
| svuorela | Pnuu: there is at least a phone number there. | 17:34 |
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| Pnuu | ok, so it's something else then :-P | 17:34 |
| svuorela | Pnuu: but is that used for sending or receiving texts ? | 17:34 |
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| Pnuu | umm, no idea.. :-D | 17:35 |
| svuorela | (it btw matches what is on my providers home page) | 17:35 |
| thessy | will upcoming update have fix for tohd bug? | 17:36 |
| svuorela | cb400f: can you try text me ? | 17:36 |
| svuorela | cb400f: with delivery confirmation | 17:37 |
| cb400f | done, it says delivered 18.38 | 17:38 |
| svuorela | cb400f: nothing :/ | 17:38 |
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| svuorela | is there like a log file or something to check ? | 17:39 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | tried with other phone? | 17:40 |
| svuorela | not yet. | 17:41 |
| svuorela | but will try | 17:41 |
| jubo2 | what was the gesture to close an app for good ? | 17:43 |
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| Sail0r | ? | 17:43 |
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| jubo2 | Sail0r: how can I close an app I don't need running? | 17:43 |
| cb400f | jubo2: swipe down from the top | 17:44 |
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| Sail0r | If you are in the app swipe from the top | 17:44 |
| cb400f | or in the home view, tap+hold | 17:44 |
| Sail0r | if you are in the multitask screen long tap | 17:44 |
| jubo2 | there is a glow bar up there | 17:44 |
| Quu | jubo2: ruudun yläreunasta, ulkopuolelta näyttöö | 17:44 |
| joonahoi | start the swipe from outside of the screen area | 17:44 |
| jubo2 | 'k | 17:45 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | jubo2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMV9a1ICJok | 17:45 |
| jubo2 | got it now | 17:45 |
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| roboro | Sail0r: where did that video of the keyboard version of TOH come from? is this a home-made thing? | 17:54 |
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| Sail0r | it's from someone on TMO | 17:55 |
| Sail0r | but can be preordered | 17:55 |
| roboro | so awesome... | 17:55 |
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| Sail0r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 17:56 |
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| roboro | mmm 100E is a bit steep for a keyboard | 17:57 |
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| Sail0r | I don't think so | 17:57 |
| krnlyng | is there a date when the next update will roll out? | 17:57 |
| Sail0r | I think the price is fair | 17:58 |
| roboro | Sail0r: yes... for the work etc... but I am poor after buying my Jolla :) | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | krnlyng: I'll check | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | >>> random.random() | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | 0.7126950596220245 | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | hmm, getting closer! | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 17:58 |
| Sail0r | I want to buy it on the one hand but on the other hand I want to wait for mwc ^^ | 17:59 |
| roboro | mwc? | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | if Jolla presents their own keyboard I think i will stick to their keyboard | 17:59 |
| Sail0r | http://www.mobileworldcongress.com | 18:00 |
| roboro | mmm I tend to agree... | 18:00 |
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| Sail0r | as long as SailfishOS is not fully capable of landscape a keyboard is hard to sell i think | 18:01 |
| PeperJohnny | If they release at least some TOH it would be awesome =) | 18:01 |
| Sail0r | the oled toh and the eink toh are also cool projects | 18:03 |
| Sail0r | but my favourite is the rs232 toh ^^ | 18:03 |
| PeperJohnny | Sail0r: there is one? | 18:03 |
| Sail0r | oled: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92239 eink: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92408 rs232: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92382 | 18:04 |
| PeperJohnny | neat, finally some switch configuring from phone :d | 18:04 |
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| Sail0r | hehe that's why i want it ;) | 18:06 |
| Sail0r | but without keyboard it will be no so funny i think ^^ | 18:06 |
| Sail0r | *not | 18:06 |
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| PeperJohnny | Sail0r: ssh from n900 to jolla =P | 18:08 |
| Sail0r | lol | 18:09 |
| Sail0r | great idea ^^ | 18:09 |
| PeperJohnny | yeah it's sounds like something from hell :d | 18:09 |
| Sail0r | i can use vnc from my old toshiba portege mobilephone to connect to my n900 and then connect to jolla? ^^ | 18:10 |
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| PeperJohnny | Well if you can think of it, there's probably someone who will try it :D | 18:10 |
| Sail0r | that's true ^^ | 18:11 |
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| Sail0r | but it would look very cool to go to the datacenter just with my jolla ^^ | 18:12 |
| PeperJohnny | Sail0r: definetly | 18:13 |
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| Sail0r | maybe there will be a jolla tablet with otg hostmode it will be the ultimate networkadmin device :) | 18:18 |
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| Sidde | hmm, interesting bug or something. Downlading a android app. BankID in this case and it works perfectly | 18:25 |
| Sidde | after a few days it stoppes working | 18:25 |
| Sidde | remove it and download it again and it works | 18:25 |
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| Sidde | Is there some kind of cache in the android environment one can remove? | 18:26 |
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| faenil | probably, don't remember where though :) | 18:26 |
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| Sail0r | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1406350#post1406350 | 18:28 |
| Sail0r | @ Sidde | 18:28 |
| Sail0r | these are the dirs used by aliendalvik | 18:28 |
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| genjix | how do i change the wallpaper? | 18:36 |
| genjix | i have this train pic | 18:36 |
| joonahoi | select the picture from your gallery, and select "Create ambience" from pulley menu | 18:36 |
| genjix | thanks | 18:37 |
| chem|st | genjix: what happens when you swipe from the edge of the lock-screen? | 18:37 |
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| chem|st | genjix: there is a bit more than that but if you are stuck go to the jolla youtube channel | 18:37 |
| genjix | chem|st, from the top switches it off (main screen?) | 18:37 |
| genjix | great thanks | 18:37 |
| genjix | im excited to dev on this phone | 18:38 |
| genjix | i have lots of c++ bitcoin apps to port | 18:38 |
| genjix | and other crypto tools | 18:38 |
| sharpneli | Just don't try to download the whole blockchain :D | 18:38 |
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| genjix | no i have a server for managing that | 18:39 |
| chem|st | genjix: from top on any screen but within applications locks the screen | 18:39 |
| genjix | but seeing a bash terminal on this sweet phone... zomg | 18:39 |
| chem|st | from within apps closes the app | 18:39 |
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| genjix | chem|st, i get a menu with settings and stuff | 18:39 |
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| vanadis | did anyone already fiddle around with encryption? | 18:40 |
| chem|st | genjix: lots of bitcoin apps? I actually need only one and schildbach's client for android is pretty close to it | 18:40 |
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| chem|st | genjix: that is if it does not recognize that you swiped in from outside | 18:40 |
| chem|st | happens sometimes | 18:40 |
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| genjix | chem|st, my project http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bitcoin-dark-wallet | 18:41 |
| sharpneli | Hmm. Maybe I'll compile cgminer for it and flaunt on the internet a likely 500H/s rate. Do note. Not kH/s. Just H/s rate :D | 18:41 |
| chem|st | vanadis: aard does the next or the kernel after next has modules for it | 18:41 |
| Yaniel | I should get zsh | 18:41 |
| vanadis | chem|st, kthx | 18:41 |
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| chem|st | vanadis: it is in early stages from what he tells and will get into testing stuff next | 18:42 |
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| ar | we just released Stskeeps | 18:46 |
| chem|st | genjix: browser wallet? the video does not tell anything about the wallet... | 18:46 |
| genjix | click all the links on the front page like the website or see our wiki.unsystem.net | 18:47 |
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| genjix | how do i put pictures in the jolla gallery? | 19:04 |
| Yaniel | copy them to ~nemo/Pictures | 19:04 |
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| genjix | i have photos from the camera but they aren't in the gallery. | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | they must be | 19:05 |
| Yaniel | ah, the tracker-has-not-updated phenomenon? | 19:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | never happened to me on my jolla | 19:05 |
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| genjix | i did, i see them there but they don't show up... | 19:07 |
| genjix | Yaniel, i see it in the terminal too | 19:07 |
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| Yaniel | sure | 19:08 |
| Yaniel | if they are there you can see them in the terminal | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | power off your device | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | maye tracker got stuck | 19:08 |
| Yaniel | but they only show up in gallery if tracker has them in its index | 19:09 |
| genjix | ok | 19:09 |
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| genjix | Morpog_Mobile, i just rebooted but it still doesn't show | 19:11 |
| genjix | 0 Pics, 0 Videos | 19:11 |
| Quu | did you happen to remove the start-guide-app-thingie? | 19:11 |
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| Yaniel | tutorial app | 19:12 |
| Pnuu | genjix: also, which software version are you running? | 19:13 |
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| genjix | Pnuu, how do i see? | 19:13 |
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| Pnuu | settings -> system settings -> device info | 19:13 |
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| genjix | Pnuu, i didn't see device info but "About product" says 1.6 | 13.7 | 19:22 |
| genjix | sailfish OS 1.0.0.5 Kaajanlampi | 19:22 |
| Eztran | You've got updates :) | 19:22 |
| chem|st | genjix: upgrade first | 19:22 |
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| genjix | aha great | 19:22 |
| genjix | "Problem with store / Problem upgrading" | 19:23 |
| chem|st | genjix: open terminal | 19:23 |
| genjix | Problem with upgrading | 19:23 |
| chem|st | become root | 19:23 |
| genjix | ok open | 19:23 |
| genjix | which password? | 19:24 |
| chem|st | the one you set in settings | 19:24 |
| genjix | ok | 19:24 |
| Pnuu | settings -> sys settings -> dev mode -> | 19:24 |
| genjix | yep it's on | 19:25 |
| genjix | "Allow developer updates"? | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | no! | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | never | 19:25 |
| genjix | ok | 19:25 |
| RzR | hi | 19:25 |
| chem|st | "ssu domain sale" | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | check remote connection and set password | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | then save, and go back to terminal | 19:26 |
| Yaniel | have you logged in to your jolla account on the device? | 19:26 |
| tbr | sales not sale, IIRC | 19:26 |
| Wnt | genjix: if you enable that "developer updates" setting on old releases it locks you out from the store | 19:26 |
| genjix | ok | 19:26 |
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| chem|st | genjix: tell me when you are root | 19:26 |
| RzR | AL13N, about fosdem dinner who is to ping ? i can not guaranty i'll be free at that time but I'll try to ... chances are 25% | 19:27 |
| genjix | chem|st, im using terminal on the phone | 19:27 |
| genjix | is that wrong? | 19:27 |
| chem|st | nope fine | 19:27 |
| genjix | ok i set a password for remote connection | 19:27 |
| chem|st | you can ssh or go in directly, does not matter | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | okay, chem|st can handle this, and I can go to sleep :-) | 19:27 |
| genjix | but su doesnt work | 19:27 |
| chem|st | it is devel-su | 19:28 |
| genjix | oh wow yes better | 19:28 |
| tbr | RzR: the reservation is for 20ppl, but the place fits more | 19:28 |
| genjix | aha ok | 19:28 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: you came like in between like last time^^ | 19:28 |
| genjix | ok im in! | 19:28 |
| genjix | root | 19:28 |
| chem|st | ok now | 19:28 |
| chem|st | "ssu domain sale" | 19:28 |
| genjix | ok | 19:28 |
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| Wnt | chem|st: I think it's sales like tbr said, not sale | 19:29 |
| genjix | done | 19:29 |
| genjix | Changing domain from jolla to sale | 19:29 |
| chem|st | Wnt: fck your right | 19:29 |
| tbr | saleSSSSSSS | 19:29 |
| genjix | ok | 19:29 |
| chem|st | genjix: sales sorry | 19:29 |
| genjix | sales | 19:29 |
| genjix | im sales now | 19:29 |
| chem|st | ssu domain sales | 19:29 |
| chem|st | ok? | 19:29 |
| genjix | should i retry update? | 19:29 |
| chem|st | ssu ur | 19:29 |
| genjix | yes | 19:29 |
| genjix | done | 19:30 |
| chem|st | pkcon refresh | 19:30 |
| genjix | ok | 19:30 |
| Eztran | How many is that now caught by the jolla domain bug/feature? :) | 19:30 |
| genjix | ok something's updating | 19:30 |
| Wnt | Eztran: o/ | 19:30 |
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| chem|st | Eztran: it is all devices | 19:30 |
| Wnt | I even had to factory reset my device at some point, the "ssu domain sales" "ssu ur" didn't help me | 19:31 |
| genjix | ok done | 19:31 |
| chem|st | genjix: now try updating with pkcon or store-app | 19:31 |
| genjix | ok | 19:31 |
| chem|st | if the store does not show an upgrade dont upgrade anything else! | 19:32 |
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| chem|st | I mean no system upgrade.. | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | even if it does | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | don't install or update anything else | 19:34 |
| chem|st | genjix: ^^ | 19:34 |
| Acce | chem|st: if it's all devices, did it fix itself somehow in my Jolla? since I never did the ssu thing :o | 19:34 |
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| Eztran | Certainly the 'developer updates' button broke ssu domain. Some say they never hit that, though, so dunno otherwise. | 19:35 |
| genjix | chem|st, it shows the old notification and i'm upgrading. it's hanging on downloading but i'm waiting | 19:35 |
| chem|st | Acce: it did work on my device with domain Jolla | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | Acce: neither did I | 19:35 |
| genjix | slow internet | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | genjix: the download takes a good while | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | 200-300MB iirc | 19:35 |
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| Yaniel | and if in store you can look at the upgrade banner | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | it doubles as a progress meter | 19:35 |
| chem|st | Acce: did not hear anything about devices not having Jolla set as domain at first till now | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | heh | 19:36 |
| chem|st | genjix: Yaniel is talking about the ship at the top of the screen | 19:37 |
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| Yaniel | `ssu s` says "Device registration status: not registered" | 19:37 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: and that is good! | 19:37 |
| chem|st | registration status is for devel repos | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | ah | 19:37 |
| Acce | ok, must be the dev updates button then | 19:37 |
| chem|st | Acce: don't know what I did but at some point I got stuck | 19:38 |
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| genjix | Yaniel, oh ok great | 19:39 |
| Acce | whatever it was, hopefully Jolla has it nailed so that you can't do it anymore | 19:39 |
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| Tofe | Here is the very first alpha version of the ETA App: https://github.com/Tofee/harbour-unofficialETA | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | iirc they disabled the developer updates thing so you can't screw up with it anymore | 19:39 |
| Yaniel | Tofe: glorious | 19:40 |
| Tofe | Thanks. But the time estimation controller is too basic right now, I will see later how to improve that. | 19:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: rather that it doesnt fuck up without a proper login | 19:41 |
| Yaniel | ^^ | 19:41 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 19:41 |
| Yaniel | which is what most people do by accident | 19:41 |
| Eztran | 'var ETA_ms = 800000000 * Math.random()' - that sounds about right :) | 19:42 |
| Acce | Tofe, so the ETA for the ETA app is now 0 :/ | 19:42 |
| Tofe | Acce: there are still the next updates of the ETA app | 19:43 |
| Acce | oh yeah! | 19:43 |
| Yaniel | so, the race is on, which one is first in the official repos, the update or that app ;) | 19:43 |
| Tofe | Yaniel: ah ! good question, I frankly don't know if that would pass a basic quality test | 19:43 |
| Tofe | There's no icon right now, for instance | 19:44 |
| Tofe | Dependancies should be fine: nothing | 19:44 |
| Eztran | CoverPage still has copyright Jolla Ltd.? | 19:45 |
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| Tofe | Eztran: ah, oops, forgot to change copyrights, it comes from the wizard helper | 19:46 |
| Tofe | I should change it, I don't think Jolla wants to have its name entangled in such app | 19:47 |
| Eztran | Considering that 'unofficial' in the title, probably not. | 19:47 |
| tbr | community dinner during FOSDEM: https://plus.google.com/events/cc8u24ln9fvgnngumu7ereta3gs | 19:47 |
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| Acce | Tofe: it's cool :) | 19:48 |
| Acce | now let's make the cover cooler and add randomly changing status messages | 19:48 |
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| Acce | like "Currently patching the sails" | 19:49 |
| Acce | and other boat jokes | 19:50 |
| Tofe | copyrights fixed | 19:50 |
| Acce | ETA just jumped to 67%, almost ready :D | 19:50 |
| Acce | now 90% | 19:50 |
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| Tofe | Acce: if you want to participate, feel free to ask, we can get organized :) | 19:52 |
| chem|st | Acce: battening down the hatches | 19:52 |
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| Claudy | hmmm | 19:54 |
| Tofe | tbr: ah, my return train is leaving at 20:30, don't know if I could make it to the dinner :/ | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | Tofe: "my hovercraft is full of eels!" | 19:55 |
| tbr | Tofe: on saturday? | 19:56 |
| * FireFly hands Pnuu a hungarian phrasebook | 19:56 | |
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| FireFly | So, is the next update still scheduled for january? :p | 19:57 |
| tbr | still 40h left, depending on timezone ;) | 19:58 |
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| RzR | tbr, ok thx i see you there anyway | 19:59 |
| Acce | Tofe: I suggest piratePad for gathering statuses? | 19:59 |
| Tofe | tbr: yes, unfortunately I can't be there on Sunday | 19:59 |
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| tbr | Tofe: too bad, but community round table? | 20:00 |
| Tofe | tbr: what's that ? | 20:00 |
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| Tofe | Acce: well, why not, I just don't know how to access it from the app | 20:01 |
| tbr | Tofe: https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/?answer=13864#post-id-13864 | 20:01 |
| Tofe | round-table is no problem for me :) | 20:01 |
| Acce | http://piratepad.net/DvEkkEEC85 | 20:03 |
| Acce | here we go | 20:03 |
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| Acce | Tofe: hmm well, I could put them on my server in a file every now and then, and the app could dload it as a stringlist every now and then? | 20:04 |
| mornfall | hmm, tomorrow is the last day to get in an update before FOSDEM ;P | 20:04 |
| Acce | I could make a php script to randomly return one of them too | 20:04 |
| Tofe | Acce: I think we should not contact the server too often, if will the battery sooner than the update arrives | 20:05 |
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| Tofe | +kill | 20:05 |
| Acce | Tofe: true | 20:06 |
| Acce | we could just hardcode it to the app | 20:06 |
| Acce | as QResource or plain stringlist | 20:06 |
| Tofe | so, maybe we can get the list as a json list ? | 20:06 |
| Acce | Sure | 20:06 |
| Tofe | that's desperately easy to manipulate with qml | 20:07 |
| Acce | yeah, although I must say, if we only store strings, an array would be even easier in qml | 20:07 |
| Acce | you would just need to cut the long string returned by http get.. but I'm ok with json too | 20:08 |
| Acce | maybe we will later need to add more info | 20:09 |
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| Acce | like, for what ETA which status can used or something | 20:09 |
| Tofe | Acce: I thought also, maybe a criticity for the status | 20:09 |
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| Tofe | "Sinking !!" -- Critical | 20:09 |
| Acce | :D | 20:10 |
| Quu | http://lolpics.se/pics/2851.jpg | 20:10 |
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| Acce | adding the status fatality is good idea | 20:12 |
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| Tofe | New version: I added a status line, with some strings hard-coded | 20:19 |
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| jubo2 | I think I like it | 20:25 |
| jubo2 | just needs to get the yandex store to accept my password | 20:25 |
| jubo2 | is the Yandex the only method to get Android softwares for Jolla ? | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | no | 20:26 |
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| Yaniel | any way to get a .apk to the device works | 20:26 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | you can install apks and pretty much any store you want | 20:26 |
| * lpotter uses amazon app store | 20:27 | |
| Yaniel | if you have problems with registering to yandex, switch to english or use the web interface | 20:27 |
| jubo2 | I'd like to have the default experience | 20:27 |
| Acce | Tofe: I started making the json api | 20:27 |
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| jubo2 | not the crappy experience | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | of what | 20:27 |
| Acce | should it always return all the statuses and their related info? | 20:27 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I can't get Yandex store or email working | 20:28 |
| jubo2 | the maps are fine but then again they're NOK | 20:28 |
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| jubo2 | I need to have calendar I update mostly on computer and view mostly on my phone | 20:29 |
| jubo2 | not some karvalakkimalli | 20:29 |
| Viskari | any sign of January update yet? | 20:29 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: exchange works fine for me in that regard | 20:30 |
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| Yaniel | and I don't care about yandex | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | nor other android app stores | 20:30 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I don't know if I have exchange from our school | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | but I have heard that it has been difficult to get the yandex store working | 20:30 |
| jubo2 | maybe it comes with Office365 subscription | 20:31 |
| Yaniel | it does | 20:31 |
| Yaniel | if you have that | 20:31 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: come with Office365 subscription, yeah got that, pay 10€ / mnth | 20:31 |
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| jubo2 | If I bought a copy of buyable office I'd have to invest in upgrade ever few years so it's not so bad | 20:32 |
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| Yaniel | at least my uni is moving from its old email system to office365 which has outlook+office in the cloud | 20:33 |
| Tofe | Acce: yes, for the moment it's the easiest | 20:33 |
| Acce | ok! | 20:33 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I'm being slow. Did you confirm Office365 subscription comes with secure access to an MSFT Exchange server and account ? | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | I don't know exactly | 20:35 |
| jubo2 | I despised MSFT in the 80's, 90's and early 00's | 20:36 |
| jubo2 | too dominant market position | 20:37 |
| jubo2 | I've got 4 Debian GNU/Linux installations and one Windows7 | 20:37 |
| jubo2 | about the right ratio.. | 20:37 |
| Yaniel | it says office365 home premium has outlook on microsoft's comparison page | 20:39 |
| * Claudy giggles softly | 20:39 | |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: I have Outlook | 20:40 |
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| jubo2 | I'm looking at a price tag of 4.95€ / month for 1st 12 months and double that afteron | 20:51 |
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| jubo2 | I really really needs the calendar I can edit on netbook and view in Jolla | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | so check the outlook thing | 20:55 |
| Yaniel | or if you have a google account use that | 20:55 |
| tigeli | both, google apps and o365 work just fine | 20:56 |
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| Acce | Tofe: http://api.eta.denden.pw/getstatus.php | 20:58 |
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| jubo2 | I subscribe to the 10€ / month Office365 subscription.. | 21:02 |
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| jubo2 | 1st thing I paid microsoft for was Windows XP SP2 disk and license in 2007 to install it on my Intel Mac.. | 21:04 |
| jubo2 | I used to have this saying of "Always answer the opposite of what Windows recommends you and it works most of the time" | 21:05 |
| Tofe | Acce: perfect ! | 21:05 |
| Acce | Tofe: :) | 21:06 |
| jubo2 | How do I have tabs in the browser. I sees no tabs | 21:08 |
| jubo2 | the browser is sorta scary | 21:08 |
| leinir | they're tabs, but not as you know them ;) | 21:08 |
| jubo2 | it responds to the shut-down command but remains in same when started up | 21:08 |
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| artemma | actually they are pretty much like tabs were in iPhone before iOS7 :) | 21:09 |
| artemma | except that in iPhone tabs looked a little like tabs | 21:09 |
| FireFly | jubo2: it doesn't have tabs per se.. you can open multiple pages, but it's really only one page open at a time, and quick shortcuts for loading a recently-visited page | 21:10 |
| jubo2 | FireFly: that's r*tarded. I want Firefox | 21:10 |
| FireFly | if you press the tabswitching button in the toolbar thing near the bottom you get to the tabswitcher screen; from there you can create a new "tab" with the pulley menu | 21:10 |
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| jubo2 | I saw firefox at the store | 21:10 |
| FireFly | well, you could install the firefox apk I guess | 21:11 |
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| jubo2 | 'scuse my language | 21:11 |
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| radekp_ | hi, got a question: how is it with jolla and QtWidgets? I have a lot of apps that could be easily ported if i used QtWidgets | 21:13 |
| radekp_ | i tried QtWidgets based app in emulator and it seems to work fine... | 21:13 |
| Acce | radekp_: many sources tell me; no qtwidgets on Jolla | 21:13 |
| Acce | I mean, they are not accepted in the store, since they are not officially supported | 21:14 |
| radekp_ | Acce: i though so too until i tried | 21:14 |
| radekp_ | but they might be ok in openrepos right? | 21:14 |
| Acce | probably | 21:15 |
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| Acce | can you compile them for arm7hl? | 21:15 |
| Acce | if you can, we could try them on the device | 21:15 |
| jubo2 | Where's the shell btw | 21:15 |
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| radekp_ | i just tried for the emulator, i have to figure out how to compile for device first.. | 21:15 |
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| Yaniel | jubo2: enable developer mode to install fingerterm | 21:15 |
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| jubo2 | If there is no tab-key in the shell view it's minus gazilliontillionmillionbillion proness points | 21:16 |
| Yaniel | I hope your device is up to date btw ^^ | 21:16 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: rest assured, there is | 21:16 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: good to know, thanks | 21:16 |
| Acce | radekp_: ok, did you need to do some special includes or something? or just add widgets in the pro file? | 21:16 |
| Yaniel | the layouts are shell-optimized | 21:16 |
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| Yaniel | (it uses its own keyboard) | 21:16 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: Is there bluetooth keyboard? | 21:16 |
| Yaniel | I don't have one, no idea | 21:17 |
| Acce | jubo2: apparently no, but, I ordered two anyways | 21:17 |
| radekp_ | Acce: i have added QT += widgets xml and then #include <QtWidgets/QApplication> | 21:17 |
| Acce | since the emulator accepts PC keyboard presses | 21:17 |
| jubo2 | Acce: in hope the upgrades fix your urge | 21:17 |
| Acce | it could be possible to look at how it does that and use that info with the bl keyboards | 21:18 |
| radekp_ | Acce: it seems also that you can have part of the UI in silica and part using Widgets | 21:18 |
| Acce | radekp_: ok, I thought they were going only QWindow | 21:18 |
| jubo2 | If someone knows of a bluetooth keyboard that folds to fit in pocket I'ma have one of those | 21:19 |
| radekp_ | Acce: i will try on device now (before i go sleep) | 21:19 |
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| Acce | something like, they work but won't be supported.. you have to ask the jolla guys | 21:19 |
| Acce | ok, cool if it works | 21:20 |
| radekp_ | Acce: if this works then we can have tons of apps quite quicky ported | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | I guess you can get it to work | 21:20 |
| Acce | jubo2: there are those rubber mat like things | 21:20 |
| radekp_ | Acce: e.g. i'd more like to use QtWidgets based navit then the one from android | 21:20 |
| jubo2 | now to say this on irc is just stupid if you think there is commercial potential like a bluetooth keyboard that fits in your suit pocket, power turns on when you unfold it | 21:20 |
| jubo2 | Acce: nowai no rubber kbrd no | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | but jolla will keep their QML preference | 21:20 |
| Acce | jubo2: you mean, like, foldable in the middle then? | 21:21 |
| jubo2 | I want a AAPL standard 270mm kbrd with <>-symbols fixed to be on the right side of the kbrd that folds in the middle and has a chasm to hold my phone | 21:21 |
| krnlyng | Pnuu: i suppose you know that there are no stupid questions, only stupid ... ;) (to my question earlier) | 21:22 |
| Acce | there are lot of keyboards size of a phone though, like the ones you can attach on the back of the phone | 21:22 |
| jubo2 | that'd be optimal pour moi | 21:22 |
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| Acce | I found a keyboard which had (), <>, [] and {} nicely positioned, although behind shift and fn keys :P | 21:22 |
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| jubo2 | I sent a photo via Bluetooth | 21:30 |
| jubo2 | Now I'm in the gallery ( or whatever ) but cannot find a way to attach the pic to a phonebook entry | 21:31 |
| Yaniel | try via People | 21:31 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: tnx. that works | 21:32 |
| radekp_ | Acce: it works on the device too, but there is e.g. no virtual keyboard in textbox | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | huh, I played with gallery and suddenly the screen went black | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | a second later it showed the main screen and a notification about 1.0.2.5 being available | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | and all apps had closed | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | OOM? | 21:33 |
| radekp_ | ahh but manually showing the keyboard work ;-) | 21:35 |
| Yaniel | (8 apps running) | 21:35 |
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| Acce | radekp_: ok.. so unsupported it is :/ | 21:36 |
| Acce | oh | 21:36 |
| Acce | manually showing? | 21:36 |
| jubo2 | how do I make the Jolla accept all bluetooth file transfers from device X ? | 21:36 |
| Acce | calling the show function when text input gets focus? | 21:36 |
| radekp_ | yes, QApplication.inputMethod().setVisible(true) bings it up | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: settings -> bluetooth (make sure it is enabled) | 21:37 |
| Acce | jubo2: I think that is not yet supported, although is possible | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | tap & hold paired device -> device settings | 21:37 |
| Acce | Yaniel: it works for all files already? | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | there is a toggle "always accept incoming connections from this device" | 21:38 |
| Acce | radekp_: did you put your apps in openrepos? | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | I don't remember having to accept a file I sent a couple of days ago from my laptop | 21:38 |
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| Acce | Yaniel: ok, just saw some topic in tjc where someone said all file types are not supported, but guess that was old news | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | it was a .cer file (ssl caa bundle) | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | -a | 21:39 |
| radekp_ | Acce: not yet, i have jolla just for 3 days, and i just started with coding 1 hour ago :) | 21:41 |
| Aard | radekp_: what took you so long?! :) | 21:43 |
| radekp_ | Aard: :) | 21:43 |
| Acce | radekp_: ok :) | 21:45 |
| radekp_ | i got a lot of Qt apps i did/ported to my previous Openmoko phone, maybe quick porting them using qtwidgets could be good start | 21:45 |
| Aard | radekp_: no qtwidgets on the device | 21:45 |
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| radekp_ | http://activationrecord.net/radekp/pub/gcide-sailfish-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 21:52 |
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| radekp_ | if someone wants to try | 21:53 |
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| radekp_ | it's simple offline english dictionary - downloads the database to SD card and can search words then | 21:54 |
| radekp_ | well in this case doing nice QML UI should be quite easy... | 21:57 |
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| Jey | Hi there ! | 22:08 |
| Jey | I need help with my jolla, its stuck in a boot loop | 22:09 |
| Jey | I already tried a reset via recovery mode, it shows an error | 22:09 |
| Jey | "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument" | 22:10 |
| ar | http://vimeo.com/85450949 - huh - that looks promissing | 22:10 |
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| Jonni | Jey: if you are on 1.0.2.5 then its trip for care for reflashing, if your on earlier releases you can try btrfs recovery from commandline. | 22:14 |
| Jonni | and on next sw update recovery mode will have that option builtin. | 22:15 |
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| Jey | ok, so its jolla care then :/ | 22:16 |
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| faenil | Jey, you're very unlucky...if only that happened after the next update :/ | 22:18 |
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| FireFly | Jonni: what did update2 do that caused this? | 22:31 |
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| FireFly | I mean, that makes the recovery impossible | 22:32 |
| Jey | I guess the bootloader became locked, or something like that | 22:33 |
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| faenil | FireFly, what do you mean? | 22:34 |
| FireFly | <Jonni> Jey: if you are on 1.0.2.5 then its trip for care for reflashing, if your on earlier releases you can try btrfs recovery from commandline. | 22:34 |
| faenil | ah yeah, bootloader was locked for security reasons | 22:34 |
| FireFly | Seems like a rather serious regression :p | 22:34 |
| faenil | but they said the next update will have something to help that :) | 22:34 |
| FireFly | I know about the bootloader locking thing, but that doesn't seem directly related | 22:34 |
| FireFly | oh, okay | 22:34 |
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| FireFly | My phone ran out of battery today, but it booted just fine after charging for a couple of minutes | 22:35 |
| FireFly | I was a bit afraid I'd get stuck in the dreaded boot loop when I noticed it was about to die :p | 22:35 |
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| Jey | anyway thanks for the infos guys, I guess I'm about to test jolla care quality of service :p | 22:43 |
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| Abby27 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:49 |
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| sledges | ar: very much promising! | 22:56 |
| ajaijjaj | hi guys | 22:57 |
| ajaijjaj | is there going to be update in January or no? | 22:58 |
| Turski | there probably will be an upgrade Soon™ | 22:59 |
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| Yaniel | how can I see network interfaces? | 22:59 |
| Yaniel | iproute? | 23:00 |
| Turski | ifconifconfig? | 23:00 |
| f00barbaz | devel-su ifconfig | 23:00 |
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| Turski | ifconfig? * | 23:00 |
| Yaniel | or is there something installed by default | 23:00 |
| Yaniel | ah, right sbin | 23:00 |
| Turski | or ip l | 23:00 |
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| Yaniel | huh, rmnet 0-7 | 23:01 |
| Yaniel | what are those | 23:01 |
| Turski | no idea | 23:01 |
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| sledges | Yaniel: GPRS | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | 8 of them? | 23:03 |
| * pahartik tried "Jopas" and found out it lacks HTTP proxy support, probably should use one defined in "connman" | 23:03 | |
| sledges | standard static dev | 23:03 |
| sledges | Yaniel: my bad: those are usb networking ones | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | isn't that what rndis0 is? | 23:04 |
| sledges | confusing innit | 23:05 |
| sledges | yes, rndis is for usb | 23:05 |
| pahartik | Yaniel: My mobile network shows up through "rmnet0" | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | oh wel, wlan0 is what I am interested in atm | 23:06 |
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| Yaniel | that one is at least obvious | 23:06 |
| sledges | but when you google rmnet, it also appears with rmnet_usb0 :P | 23:06 |
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| Venemo | tbr: ping | 23:21 |
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