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| pawky|3 | is there any way to do things alien dalvik as "root" in the UI? Normally when running Android apps I am making sure they aren't doing bad stuff by using droidwall, but this seems to be a no can do in Jolla. | 08:51 |
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| pawky|3 | I can of course go for iptables in the terminal, but I kind of like the simplicity of droidwall, that automatically dropps all communication for a new program until you change the settings. | 08:51 |
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| pawky|3 | in short, I would like to use droidwall... | 08:52 |
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| pawky|3 | oddly silent on this channel today... I think my question is a fairly valid one, even though it might look as an android question... | 09:40 |
| pp | everyone is busy checking whether 1.0.3.3 is out already or not :-) | 09:41 |
| pawky|3 | pp: oh... i didn't know it, will check as well :-D | 09:41 |
| ballock | pp: that reminds me to check out if 1.0.3.3 is out or not | 09:41 |
| pp | my guess is no :-) | 09:41 |
| pp | but better check! | 09:41 |
| pawky|3 | ballock: any idea where to check? | 09:42 |
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| ballock | Jolla store? | 09:42 |
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| joonahoi | Settings -> about | 09:42 |
| pawky|3 | joonahoi: B-) | 09:43 |
| ballock | sorry, I thought that was a tricky question | 09:43 |
| joonahoi | also if it doesn't show up, better keep checking, could be any second from now 'till the end of the year | 09:43 |
| pawky|3 | up to date :-( | 09:43 |
| pawky|3 | joonahoi: right... :-( | 09:44 |
| pawky|3 | joonahoi: i'll think I'll run out of battery before it will happen... | 09:44 |
| joonahoi | you can keep on checking while charging | 09:44 |
| ballock | but at least you'd get some entropy for testing sd card speed | 09:45 |
| fk_lx | some trolls probably could say - Jolla once again does not keep promises, there were supposed to be monthly updates, and it's already 1 month + 1 day after last update ;-) | 09:45 |
| artemma | nah, monthly means monthly with some expected precision | 09:45 |
| pawky|3 | is there any place to read what this update will contain | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.3.3 counts ;p | 09:46 |
| joonahoi | i'm happy to get a well tested update instead of a quick one | 09:46 |
| artemma | a couple of days won't matter and monthly can mean calendar month easily | 09:46 |
| ballock | Wasn't it supposed to be monthly 'on average'? | 09:46 |
| artemma | when you say estimated review time is 48 hours and in reality it's more like 98 - that's another story :) | 09:46 |
| artemma | unless there's like really huge deviation :) | 09:47 |
| pawky|3 | so, there is no web page containing info on what is included in this release? | 09:48 |
| ballock | I do remember some physics lessons where I was told that the error value is the least significant digit | 09:48 |
| ballock | If that was 'every 30 days', I'd say +-1 day | 09:49 |
| ballock | but if they say once a month | 09:49 |
| ballock | it could mean +-1 month | 09:49 |
| ballock | so cool down | 09:49 |
| ballock | I guess we don't know what's gonna be in the update, when it's actually gonna be | 09:49 |
| faenil | pawky|3, there is no release note until the update is released | 09:50 |
| ballock | if it's not got bigger bugs than the previous has | 09:50 |
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| radekp | btw i yesterday i received my Jolla - so i am on board now too :) | 09:51 |
| faenil | radekp, welcome! :) | 09:51 |
| pawky|3 | opuk got his today.. :-) | 09:51 |
| Yaniel | yay | 09:52 |
| opuk | :) | 09:52 |
| radekp | i like the device and os, very cool, just had hard times because on startup i selected year 2013 instead of 2014 and all ssl certificates were invalid because of this, so like everything online didnt work | 09:52 |
| pawky|3 | so, does anyone have an answer to my earlier question? | 09:52 |
| faenil | pawky|3, didn't like mine? | 09:52 |
| radekp | but changing year to 2014 - and OS reset fixed this - now all works as expected :) | 09:53 |
| ballock | I never saw droidwall, so can't say about any 'similar functionality' in Jolla | 09:53 |
| pawky|3 | when running android, I like to use droidwall to make sure I am the one to decide which apps are to use the network and which are not. How can I manage this in Jolla via an UI? | 09:53 |
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| pawky|3 | installing this app will of course tell me the phone is not rooted... | 09:54 |
| fk_lx | artemma: well for me it's not a problem at all, if I get an update after two weeks it will be entirely ok, after all what matters is that updates will come at some point ;-) | 09:54 |
| Yaniel | pawky|3: a firewall? | 09:54 |
| pawky|3 | I know I can hack it using the shell and iptables, but I really like the quick and easy droidwall version | 09:54 |
| Yaniel | there is no UI yet | 09:54 |
| pawky|3 | Yaniel: But would I be able to make droidwall do the changes as root? | 09:55 |
| Yaniel | only for android apps, if at all | 09:55 |
| ballock | is it open source? | 09:55 |
| ballock | you could re-write the root parts in C or bash | 09:55 |
| ballock | or whatever | 09:56 |
| pawky|3 | ballock: don't believe so, but all it does is do iptable changes... but it needs superuser rights for this, which I don't know how to achieve on the jolla | 09:56 |
| pawky|3 | ballock: I am guessing it will use the iptable command in the background... | 09:56 |
| ballock | that'd be risky: I guess you'd need to run aliendlavik as root | 09:56 |
| pawky|3 | Thus, can I give root access to android apps in Jolla? | 09:57 |
| Yaniel | I believe not | 09:57 |
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| Yaniel | feel free to write your own hack for a UI wrapper around iptables | 09:57 |
| ballock | as we're on the droid topics | 09:57 |
| ballock | how can I check what evil android background services are running on my device? | 09:58 |
| ballock | I mean, something that installs as an android service is run by aliendalvik, right? | 09:58 |
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| joonahoi | umm, i don't think iptables accepts rules for process name | 09:59 |
| ballock | 'cause I remember getting popups about auto-upgraded droid apps | 09:59 |
| joonahoi | so it must be some kind of process wrapper that controls the networking on another level | 09:59 |
| joonahoi | (droidwall i mean) | 09:59 |
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| ballock | joonahoi: I do believe you can use pid in the fw rules | 10:00 |
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| ballock | you'd just need to monitor apps and their pids and dynamically ban pid from the network | 10:00 |
| joonahoi | ok, i might be wrong. long time since last advanced ipt configurations | 10:00 |
| ballock | --pid-owner processid | 10:01 |
| ballock | Matches if the packet was created by a process with | 10:01 |
| ballock | the given process id. | 10:01 |
| ballock | seems there is | 10:01 |
| ballock | You could actually just ban every android app by blocking the UID: | 10:01 |
| ballock | --uid-owner userid | 10:01 |
| joonahoi | yeah, i'm aware of the uid matching, but that would just block everything | 10:02 |
| ballock | aliendalvik is like 107 | 10:02 |
| joonahoi | and would allow no control on per app basis under aliendalvik | 10:02 |
| ballock | --cmd-owner name | 10:03 |
| ballock | Matches if the packet was created by a process with | 10:03 |
| ballock | the given command name. | 10:03 |
| joonahoi | ok, cool | 10:03 |
| ballock | I know, still no UI. | 10:03 |
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| tachikoma | lol, another system update notification :) | 10:04 |
| ballock | which one 1.0.3.3? | 10:04 |
| tachikoma | no, i get those every few days | 10:04 |
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| tachikoma | always false alerts | 10:05 |
| Pnuu | my guess is that 1.0.3.3 won't be the next update | 10:05 |
| yanoo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUBsTJYK28 ;) | 10:05 |
| Pnuu | I'd think that would be an internal beta-release, and the next real update will bee something else | 10:06 |
| tachikoma | i just wonder as i do not even get any app updates since 1.0.2.5 | 10:06 |
| tachikoma | the store does not work, but I'm using zypper up to see if there are any | 10:07 |
| tachikoma | but nothing there as well | 10:07 |
| Pnuu | store doesn't work? | 10:07 |
| tachikoma | yes, the jolla store | 10:07 |
| Yaniel | you should be using pkcon, not zypper | 10:07 |
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| pp | heh, https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.3.3 vs https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.3.4 :D | 10:08 |
| Pnuu | have you enabled dev updates, added repositories or in any way played with ssu? | 10:08 |
| tachikoma | a known problem i was told, but since i have developer mode enabled and can use zypper pkcon i did not bother and just wait for an update | 10:08 |
| tachikoma | i did not add any repos | 10:08 |
| pp | .5 is forbidden :P | 10:08 |
| tachikoma | afaik i can;t add dev repos as non jolla employee | 10:08 |
| tachikoma | and also added no other repos | 10:09 |
| pp | so 1.0.3.5 maybe?-) | 10:09 |
| tachikoma | i only did enable developer mode | 10:09 |
| tachikoma | to have ssh access tothe device mainly | 10:09 |
| Pnuu | tachikoma: does "ssu domain" say "Device domain is currently: sales"? | 10:10 |
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| tachikoma | yes, 'sales' | 10:10 |
| Raim | is it still possible to take screenshots as .png? the .jpg saved by the lbt's Screenshot app looks blurry... | 10:10 |
| Pnuu | mkay | 10:10 |
| tachikoma | but also two error messages are shown,m complaining aboput NetworkService | 10:11 |
| tachikoma | GetPropertyies does not exist on interface 'net.connman.service' | 10:11 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | does the other program take .png? saishotme or whatever it was | 10:11 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | sailshotme | 10:11 |
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| tachikoma | oh | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | wow | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | store works again | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | just tapped it and it came up | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | weird | 10:12 |
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| Raim | HarhaanJohtaja: ah! SailshotMe creates .png, thanks | 10:12 |
| Pnuu | HarhaanJohtaja: yes | 10:12 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 10:15 |
| Waitee | interesting bug on mitäkuuluu | 10:15 |
| Waitee | if someone writes > in front of the line it comes outas > | 10:16 |
| Waitee | out as* | 10:16 |
| Pnuu | so it's missing a ; | 10:17 |
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| opuk | how does one import contacts from sim? | 10:24 |
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| Yaniel | opuk: settings -> people -> sim | 10:25 |
| opuk | thanks | 10:25 |
| opuk | I just got my jolla and trying to update, which doesn't seem to go very well | 10:26 |
| opuk | it's just saying "checking..." when trying to look for a new version | 10:26 |
| Yaniel | is it on 1.0.0.5? | 10:27 |
| opuk | yes | 10:27 |
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| Pnuu | opuk: maybe this helps? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 10:34 |
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| Pnuu | opuk: hmm, one question before you try that | 10:35 |
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| Pnuu | did you enable developer mode and/or developer updates? | 10:35 |
| opuk | trying to enable developer mode now... | 10:35 |
| Yaniel | if store crashes you are out of luck with that as well | 10:35 |
| opuk | nothing seems to happen when trying to enable developer mode | 10:36 |
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| opuk | or is it supposed to take >5 mins? | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | depends on your connection | 10:37 |
| opuk | to enable developer mode? | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | with a poor network it might take a while | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | but >5min is a lot | 10:37 |
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| Yaniel | it installs some packages | 10:37 |
| opuk | oh | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | FingerTerm, for example | 10:37 |
| artemma | Aard: ping | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | (in accordance with the "no bloat by default" policy :)) | 10:38 |
| artemma | ah, wrong channel | 10:38 |
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| Yaniel | opuk: well, seems like you don't have a choice there | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | factory reset, do *not* install anything, update | 10:38 |
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| Yaniel | once updated you should be fine | 10:39 |
| opuk | will try that | 10:39 |
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| opuk | hm, no change, still only says checking | 10:48 |
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| Pnuu | opuk: did you install any of the apps when setting up? | 10:51 |
| opuk | no? didn't get asked | 10:52 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | do you have jolla account? | 10:52 |
| Yaniel | did you get asked for your jolla account? | 10:52 |
| opuk | yes but I skipped that part | 10:52 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | jolla account is a mmust | 10:52 |
| Yaniel | you need to log in with that to use store | 10:52 |
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| opuk | hm | 10:53 |
| Yaniel | settings -> accounts -> pulley menu | 10:53 |
| Pnuu | yeah, it's a bit hard to get updates without the account :-) | 10:54 |
| Yaniel | until there is a mirror that does not require authentication at least | 10:55 |
| Yaniel | but I sort of doubt there will be one | 10:55 |
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| GentSir | Update mirror for Sailfish itself for indivudual apps? | 10:56 |
| GentSir | Whoops. Update mirror for Sailfish itself or for individual apps? | 10:57 |
| opuk | oh look at that, now it seems to work a lot better :) | 10:58 |
| Yaniel | GentSir: for apps might happen, for the os I don't think for a while | 10:58 |
| Yaniel | and for apps there is openrepos | 10:59 |
| GentSir | Yaniel: Why isn't it feasible to have an update mirror other than the "official" one? Keep in mind I'm not familiar with the update process | 10:59 |
| osaton | and for openrepos there is warehouse <3 | 10:59 |
| Yaniel | in theory it should not be an issue | 11:00 |
| Yaniel | but the proprietary bits might make things difficult | 11:01 |
| GentSir | The "binary blobs"? | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | yes | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | I the licensing might forbid distributing them "publicly" etc | 11:02 |
| GentSir | I know plenty of Linux distros do it | 11:02 |
| Yaniel | for what blobs exactly? | 11:02 |
| GentSir | They pretty much say if you're in a region where it's illegal it's your responsibility | 11:02 |
| ballock | why are they so touchy about them? it's not like those are source codes. | 11:02 |
| GentSir | Yaniel: I meant for software that needs licensing. Like ubuntu-restricted-extras or how Mint includes tons of codecs | 11:03 |
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| GentSir | I believe many gpu drivers are distributed as binary only as well | 11:04 |
| Yaniel | yes but those are available to anyone from the vendor's website | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | hah, no | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:05 |
| Yaniel | mobile SoC drivers don't tend to be AFAIK | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | ah, the non-mobile ones | 11:05 |
| ballock | so like - if you want to reverse-engineer our gpu, you'll at least need to buy a device with it? | 11:05 |
| ballock | what kind of protection is that? | 11:06 |
| ballock | I'm bloody damn certain the competitors would be able to afford one device. | 11:06 |
| GentSir | Last I checked it takes some serious equipment and skill to reverse engineer a modern gpu | 11:06 |
| GentSir | If the competitior isn't doing their own research, the other company will simply have better stuff to sell by the time they manage it | 11:07 |
| ballock | so - who/what is actually protected by the ban of public distribution of the blobs? | 11:08 |
| ballock | their good name? if somebody did reverse engineer that they can sue him for not owning a device? | 11:09 |
| GentSir | The better question to ask is, what does that company have to gain by letting anyone but themselves view the code? | 11:10 |
| pp | avoid patent lawsuits | 11:10 |
| pp | harder to sue based on a binary blob | 11:11 |
| ballock | I meant they ban distribution of the binary blobs in the first place. | 11:12 |
| Venemo_j | hey | 11:12 |
| pp | even harder to sue if there's no binary blob to analyze :P | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo_j | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: how'd exam go? | 11:13 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: I wouldn't bet on myself this time :( | 11:15 |
| Venemo_j | ballock: the GPU industry is a patent minefield, that's why most manufacturers keep the code (and some even the binary) to themselves | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | or the alternative theory, that they're too embarassed of the code.. | 11:16 |
| Venemo_j | it's kind of a miracle that Intel affords to keep their driver open | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | well, on mobile they don't, as it's SGX | 11:17 |
| Venemo_j | on mobile it's not their GPU | 11:17 |
| jussi | the gpu situation in the mobile world is sad.... very sad... | 11:18 |
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| * jussi is happy at least someone was/is workign on the open mali drivers... | 11:19 | |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 11:24 | |
| Stskeeps | well, it was sadder before libhybris | 11:24 |
| SpeedEvil | very true. | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, i've played with mali-x11 | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:25 |
| * w00t just remembers working around code that caused funny crashes in x11 drivers for funny reasons | 11:25 | |
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| * pp finds a 1.0.3.5 repository :-) | 11:35 | |
| pp | (not the full system :-) ) | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | you guys have too much time on your hands | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:36 |
| pp | yea, we don't have to get a release out :P | 11:36 |
| pawky|3 | This is weird... google play store will not open until closing other apps such as mail and settings... :-( | 11:38 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: now I know. massive fail | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: so it goes, try again! | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | every day in a work life will be like an exam, sometimes you fail, sometimes you rock | 11:57 |
| Pnuu | experience is sum of fails | 11:57 |
| stephg | oooh sdk update | 12:01 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: the difference is, I've been a lot better in my work life than my exams ar uni | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: +1, same here | 12:07 |
| Venemo_j | if every day in a work life is an exam, I have passed every one of them at the first attempt | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: in my experience, that is often the case. you will bump into ppl who are very good at uni/academic stuff in general but unlikely to be good at real life work | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | rarely, you'll find ppl who are extremely good at both | 12:09 |
| * Stskeeps was a lousy average student | 12:09 | |
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| * ggabriel was just avg :P | 12:09 | |
| Stskeeps | the important thing (in my humble opinion) is not the grades, but your ability to acquire and apply the knowledge | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | which exams aren't always good at | 12:10 |
| jubo2 | I'm chatting with DNA webshop customer service | 12:11 |
| Venemo_j | at work, I always went home feeling that I accomplished something and felt quite smart. at uni, I just feel dumb | 12:11 |
| Venemo_j | nah, enough whining for today | 12:13 |
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| sharpneli | Mobile. GPU. Drivers. FML. | 12:15 |
| jubo2 | So can I h4x the NFC to work like I want it to if I buy Jolla phone ? | 12:15 |
| jubo2 | i.e. no TX unless authorized for 5-or-more seconds via gesture or the initiating device is on a whitelist | 12:16 |
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| sharpneli | Btw. I bet big reason are patents. I mean full floating point pipeline is patented nowadays :D | 12:18 |
| sharpneli | Back in the days full floats were too expensive, so people didn't use it. Now S3 patented full floats :D | 12:19 |
| jubo2 | remain in RX all the time alert for devices on whitelists and storing files of active devices that have come into range.. this way it's possible to sniff pocket-swiping attempts / fraudulent device ids and what have you.. | 12:19 |
| sharpneli | So some put integer conversions in some steps (like texture reads) just to avoid breaking the patent. | 12:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't think there is any prospect of payment working any time soon. | 12:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - NFC range is very, very, very minimal - as in may not actually work in the optimal case for the phone pressed in just the right spot reportedly. | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | There is provision for a larger antenna - in an 'other half' | 12:23 |
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| pawky|3 | thats odd, has nobody converted the most versatile and usable software on the planet called xeyes to jolla??? :-( | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | In general - 'pure' X stuff will require porting. | 12:28 |
| pawky|3 | SpeedEvil: isn't that an easy port? :-) | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | pawky|3: It's actually a fundamentally impossible port in some ways. | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | As there is no pointer. | 12:30 |
| Venemo_j | and there is no X, either | 12:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah. That too. | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle IIRC there are X servers for android. | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You could use one of those. | 12:42 |
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| Yaniel | you could maybe do something about xwayland | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't investigated that. | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been concentrating on surviving over the last month or so. | 12:55 |
| goroboro | right... so I put the beginnings of my app up on github... | 12:56 |
| goroboro | how do I fork it to sailfishapps? | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | huh? | 12:56 |
| goroboro | I'm so not used to all these tools | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | it does not work that way | 12:56 |
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| goroboro | Yaniel: there is a github repo called sailfishapps | 12:57 |
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| goroboro | I wanted to make it visible there while I work on it | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | it does not work that way | 12:57 |
| goroboro | its nowhere near ready for harbour or anything | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | when you "fork" a repo that means you make your own copy of it | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | nobody else will see that one | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | unless you tell them about it | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | but you can make pull requests if you wish to have some of your changes included in the project you forked yours from | 12:58 |
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| goroboro | yeah... that's how I usually understand it... but on sailfishapps... there is a note saying that if you have an app that you are working on consider forking it here so that they are all in one place | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | you could put the fork on github | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | ahh it is done that way | 12:59 |
| goroboro | my project isn't forked from anywhere else... I've put it together from scratch... and uploaded to github | 12:59 |
| Yaniel | from a git perspective 'sailfishapps' is just another user who can fork repos | 12:59 |
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| Yaniel | so you first have to join the sailfishapp project/group/whatever it is called | 13:00 |
| Yaniel | then you can fork your project into it | 13:00 |
| goroboro | not sure how I join the group... that was part of what I don't get on github | 13:00 |
| goroboro | I've never used github before | 13:00 |
| Yaniel | I think you have to contact an existing member and ask them to add you | 13:01 |
| goroboro | ah | 13:02 |
| goroboro | thanks Yaniel | 13:02 |
| goroboro | looks like Venemo is a member | 13:02 |
| goroboro | maybe he can add me :) | 13:03 |
| goroboro | Venemo_j? | 13:03 |
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| goroboro | ah not in channel | 13:03 |
| goroboro | ho hum... some other time then... | 13:04 |
| goroboro | will continue working on my project | 13:04 |
| goroboro | for now... back to my day job | 13:05 |
| pp | man, this will be a big update :-) | 13:09 |
| * pp whistles innocently | 13:09 | |
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| tachikoma | ich hab einfach die falsche zielgruppe angeniommen, das hier ist denk ich passender: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2LFKGFjIQ | 13:18 |
| tachikoma | ikes, wrong chan | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | tsk tsk | 13:18 |
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| pawky|3 | tachikoma: boring video... for kids.. | 13:40 |
| tachikoma | i postet this first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o2xBOQeB7Q | 13:43 |
| tachikoma | and all the respone i got was jokes about the vioice of the person talking and it's englisch. | 13:43 |
| tachikoma | so i realized i just postet teh wrong content for the audience and postetd the second one, more fitting clip ;) | 13:44 |
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| goroboro | tachikoma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg0fmaCSDPg no offense :D | 13:53 |
| goroboro | actually the AI talk is pretty interesting | 13:53 |
| tachikoma | lol, i know that already from the title :) | 13:53 |
| tachikoma | what are you thinking of? :) | 13:53 |
| goroboro | lol | 13:54 |
| tachikoma | it's quite famous here | 13:54 |
| goroboro | yeah... I have a german colleague at work... and it comes up frequently in teleconf calls :) | 13:54 |
| tachikoma | m, ich finde unkritische solidaritaet mit wirtschaftsfluechtlingen .... | 13:55 |
| tachikoma | argl | 13:55 |
| tachikoma | i should stop chatting, way too tired | 13:55 |
| goroboro | heh | 13:55 |
| goroboro | you should make AI that works out which channel you intend to post in | 13:56 |
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| tachikoma | but notheing beats german politicians when it comes to bad english: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RrEQ8Ovw-Q | 13:56 |
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| goroboro | rofl | 13:58 |
| goroboro | to be fair... my german is non-existent... almost | 13:58 |
| tachikoma | nyway, have to go shopping | 13:59 |
| goroboro | enjoy | 13:59 |
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| Raim | why does 'tcpdump -i wlan0 -w /root/foo.pcap' return '/root/foo.pcap: Permission denied'? I am running as root (devel-su) and I can create files with other commands without problems... | 14:46 |
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| opuk | is it possible to get a swedish keyboard in fingerterm? | 14:47 |
| Nicd- | opuk: look at the VKBD setting in the sidebar | 14:47 |
| Nicd- | the layout | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | opuk: does it differ much from the finnish one? | 14:48 |
| joonahoi | not at all | 14:48 |
| joonahoi | same thing | 14:48 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: I think he wanted to change from the english one :P | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | the finnish one comes with fingerterm | 14:48 |
| opuk | yes, it's english now | 14:48 |
| Yaniel | so it's just a matter of flipping the switch in the menu | 14:48 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: the finnish layout is officially swedish | 14:49 |
| Yaniel | ah | 14:49 |
| opuk | aah, there we go | 14:49 |
| opuk | thanks | 14:49 |
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| joonahoi | Raim: there's a bug in output file writing | 14:50 |
| joonahoi | Raim: i just used -w - > output.pcap | 14:50 |
| joonahoi | -w - just writes to stdout | 14:51 |
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| pawky|3 | is this good or bad? Fatal error: File './l/libpcap-1.5.2-0.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium 'http://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/personal/main' | 14:52 |
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| joonahoi | neither | 14:54 |
| joonahoi | it's just a broken private repo | 14:54 |
| pawky|3 | joonahoi: but I would like to have tcpdump... :-( | 14:54 |
| joonahoi | disable nieldk repo | 14:54 |
| joonahoi | and try again | 14:54 |
| joonahoi | or run zypper ref | 14:54 |
| tbr | tcpdump is in mer-tools | 14:54 |
| joonahoi | (it could have been fixed) | 14:54 |
| pawky|3 | ok... | 14:54 |
| tbr | so openrepos is breaking devices, once again? | 14:55 |
| joonahoi | tbr: yeah, but seems like some 3rd party repo is trying to offer the package (with a borked link) | 14:55 |
| joonahoi | yup, seems like it | 14:55 |
| joonahoi | just disabled all the 3rd party repos today | 14:55 |
| tbr | well, developer mode, you agreed that you might break your device | 14:55 |
| Raim | joonahoi: thanks | 14:56 |
| joonahoi | Raim: np, happy dumping ;) | 14:56 |
| Raim | libpcap used to be published there, probably just needs a 'pkcon refresh' | 14:56 |
| tbr | this would not have happened if openrepos would have any QA </rant> | 14:56 |
| pawky|3 | duh.... no netcat? | 14:58 |
| Eztran | Actually, it looks like that package isn't on that repo for Sailfish any more, so it really was just the lack of refresh. | 14:59 |
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| pawky|3 | has anybody seen any netcat laying around for installation? | 14:59 |
| ln- | lying | 15:01 |
| Pnuu | lyeing | 15:01 |
| pawky|3 | laying it is... | 15:02 |
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| joonahoi | yup, laying around. nieldk's repo was lying around about having libpcap ;) | 15:03 |
| tbr | pawky|3: checked mer-tools yet? | 15:04 |
| Eztran | mer-tools doesn't have netcat, does it? | 15:04 |
| joonahoi | nope | 15:04 |
| pp | bash has tcp support too :-) | 15:05 |
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| Eztran | Also, I think what might have happened with the libpcap thing is it got hit by the Harmattan/Sailfish application split thing. | 15:06 |
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| HtheB | yo | 15:12 |
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| chem|st | you asked for it! | 15:35 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/20626/helsinki-yachting-club-supporter-of-the-jollauiux-design-team/ | 15:35 |
| flux | socat is superior to netcat (once you learn to use it). but it doesn't seem to be available either ;-) | 15:38 |
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| Pnuu | chem|st: somehow related to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsingfors_Segels%C3%A4llskap ? | 15:41 |
| Pnuu | or is the title intentionally misleading? | 15:41 |
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| chem|st | Pnuu: it was my intention to refer to a yachting club, not that one in specific but intentional referring to 'classic' or 'clean' deck | 15:46 |
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| chem|st | I am a sailor myself and anything unneeded can be stored somewhere safe, invisible but easy to reach | 15:47 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: hehe, that's too true, and easy to get used to as well. i saw plenty of things tied up to other stuff, especially when you scuba dive on those little boats | 15:51 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: and now take this impression and put it in context to the UI/UX design... for me that is a <3<3<3 love | 16:01 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: yeah, i agree, i really like the jolla ui fwiw | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | my n9 is still my primary phone, and yet i try to do what i'd do on the jolla :P | 16:04 |
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| goroboro | I keep double tapping my old android screen... hilarious | 16:17 |
| Yaniel | known issue, WONTFIX | 16:17 |
| Yaniel | ;) | 16:17 |
| Yaniel | same happens with my N8 | 16:17 |
| artemma | You must have spectacular reaction time tolerance :) | 16:17 |
| joonahoi | yup, have noted the same issue with my tablet | 16:18 |
| goroboro | my android phone is slow :P | 16:18 |
| * artemma developed habit of unlocking Jolla with Power button, because double tap is too slow and not super-reliable either | 16:18 | |
| chem|st | +1 | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | meh | 16:18 |
| goroboro | double tap works perfectly for me | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | much more comfy with double tap | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | and it works perfectly for me too | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | faster than reaching all the way to that damned button | 16:19 |
| joonahoi | yup, wake up -> double tap, sleep -> pwr button for me | 16:19 |
| chem|st | but omap is a way to go for sailfish, so I remain with a close to unusable OS... android | 16:19 |
| * artemma loved double-tap unlock on N9 and remembers he was trying it on symbian and android too. On N9 it was fast and reliable to me | 16:19 | |
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| ggabriel | artemma: ah, you mean on the jolla only | 16:19 |
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| ggabriel | well, give them some time to fix bugs ;-) | 16:20 |
| chem|st | joonahoi: I lose to never send my device to sleep... | 16:20 |
| chem|st | close | 16:20 |
| artemma | ggabriel: they have time regardless of me :) Just telling that habits for workarounding some slow things got developed already | 16:20 |
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| ggabriel | fair enough | 16:21 |
| joonahoi | chem|st: so you close to never put it to your pocket i guess :) | 16:21 |
| chem|st | artemma: pwbtn does not work for me.... it does nothing and I hit it again and get a short flash of lockscreen before it is dark again... | 16:22 |
| chem|st | joonahoi: I actually put it in my pocket alive | 16:22 |
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| chem|st | nothing in my pockets trigger display events | 16:23 |
| joonahoi | oh | 16:23 |
| artemma | chem|st: yes, Power button reaction is unreliable too, but I usually have it unreliable on incoming calls only. Usually cannot pickup and call back :) | 16:23 |
| chem|st | and I have no clue how people manage to pocketcall or anything... | 16:23 |
| joonahoi | i actually dig my pockets for random stuff all the time | 16:24 |
| chem|st | artemma: dumb you... on incoming calls you just wait a second after pulling it out of your pocket and the screen is on... | 16:24 |
| chem|st | no need to press any button | 16:24 |
| artemma | hmm, why waiting helps? | 16:24 |
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| artemma | I usually have screen completely black when I take phone out of the pocket | 16:24 |
| opuk | hm, before importing contacts from sim I had no contacts, now I have two of each. what gives? | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: some people are very stressed and their quadriceps have tiny spams just where the phone is | 16:24 |
| chem|st | you do not need to unlock when there is an incoming call | 16:24 |
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| ggabriel | s/spams/spasms/ | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | I don't usually teleport the phone from my pocket into my hand when I receive a call | 16:24 |
| artemma | I usually have screen completely black when I take phone out of the pocket when phone is ringing | 16:24 |
| artemma | not always, but most of the time | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | so it has enough time to turn the screen on until I get to see it | 16:25 |
| chem|st | joonahoi: I do not have anything in the pocket where my phone is... that way I have no scratch after 2 years without screenprotector! | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | almost 2.5 years in my case | 16:26 |
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| ggabriel | i'll give it to my gf soon, and it'll be scratched in a week's time :'( | 16:26 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: my n900 has micro scratches from the stylus but thats about it | 16:26 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: had shutdown today. | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: same with my 5800 | 16:26 |
| joonahoi | i'm putting the gorilla glass to some use! | 16:26 |
| joonahoi | ;) | 16:26 |
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| faenil | random spam: if you like to contribute to SailfishOS, fix some bugs, help development, there's github.com/nemomobile and github.com/nemomobile-packages which hold the sourcecode for most of the middleware | 16:27 |
| chem|st | joonahoi: I had my n9 falling on stone screen down several times - sliding a few 10cm.... no scratch | 16:27 |
| chem|st | lucky I guess | 16:27 |
| faenil | like social syncing plugins, email plugins... | 16:27 |
| faenil | a loooot of stuff! | 16:27 |
| faenil | so -> if you see a bug, there's a chance you can fix it yourself and speed up development of sailfish! | 16:28 |
| chem|st | artemma: just wait a bit the display turns on the second the proximity sensor is read again | 16:28 |
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| faenil | let's exploit the fact that most of the OS is DEVELOPED in the open, shall we ;) | 16:31 |
| * goroboro really needs to get comfortable with C++ | 16:31 | |
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| goroboro | Venemo: hi | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | hi goroboro | 16:34 |
| goroboro | was wondering if you could add my github account to the sailfishapps group | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | goroboro: what is the sailfishapps group? | 16:35 |
| goroboro | https://github.com/sailfishapps | 16:35 |
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| goroboro | oh... weird... I thought you were a member | 16:35 |
| goroboro | just checked and it seems not | 16:36 |
| Venemo | I've never heard of it, sorry | 16:36 |
| goroboro | just saw that your irc app got forked to it | 16:36 |
| goroboro | someone there must have forked you :) | 16:37 |
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| Venemo | goroboro: hm, seems they forked a very old version of my old app | 16:40 |
| goroboro | ho hum | 16:41 |
| goroboro | guess its not that useful to be listed there then :D | 16:41 |
| Yaniel | Venemo: were you involved with the communi irc client? | 16:42 |
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| Venemo | Yaniel: yes, I were | 16:47 |
| Venemo | goroboro: not at all | 16:47 |
| Yaniel | just saw the video, looks awesome | 16:48 |
| stephg | yeah ditto | 16:48 |
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| Venemo | thanks Yaniel & stephg | 16:50 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: yep, the video was recorded by me | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | it would be absolutely cool if I could use that UI as a remote client to weechat | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | (or $ircclient in general) | 16:51 |
| Yaniel | how about adding support for such stuff? | 16:51 |
| Venemo | you can use it with a bouncer | 16:51 |
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| Venemo | not sure about "remote client to weechat" - never heard of weechat, sorry | 16:51 |
| Yaniel | like https://github.com/ubergeek42/weechat-android | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | well, relay | 16:52 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: anyway, we're always welcoming new ideas. join #communi and tell us more about it | 16:52 |
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| goroboro | Yaniel... try use bitlbee | 16:52 |
| goroboro | I use it to integrate all my IM into an IRC framework | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | weechat is an irc client ^^ | 16:53 |
| Yaniel | if I really used IM I'd probably have bitlbee somewhere though | 16:53 |
| Bysmyyr | Yaniel: Nicd- is doing weechat client but I have no idea when it is coming | 16:54 |
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| goroboro | ah didn't know what you wanted weechat for... just saw that it did IM protocol extensions | 16:54 |
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| Venemo | if a contact has >1 phone numbers, how do I find out which is the one he's calling me on? | 17:27 |
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| Quu | anyone on ircnet? is it working or not? :p | 17:35 |
| Quu | i see only 2 people on most channels | 17:36 |
| Waitee | yeah works for me | 17:36 |
| Waitee | what server? | 17:36 |
| Quu | i have no idea how to check connected servers with weechat | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | Quu: /server lists known servers and shows more info on connected ones | 17:38 |
| Quu | yeah. it shows "ircnet" and "connected" | 17:38 |
| Pnuu | might be a split | 17:39 |
| Pnuu | but haven't noticed any, though | 17:40 |
| Quu | didnt say its split | 17:40 |
| Quu | well yeah, people just mass-quitted ~6h ago | 17:40 |
| Yaniel | I see lots of people perfectly fine in ircnet | 17:40 |
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| Quu | hmm | 17:41 |
| Quu | try to whois me | 17:41 |
| Pnuu | was : Quu | 17:41 |
| Quu | okay | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | no such server | 17:42 |
| Yaniel | on ircnet | 17:42 |
| Quu | hue | 17:42 |
| Yaniel | on freenode: Quu | 17:42 |
| Quu | yeah, lets hope its netsplit :p | 17:42 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: server? | 17:43 |
| Quu | thats what peechat seems to give | 17:43 |
| Pnuu | :-P | 17:43 |
| kelvan | Venemo: just found your posts about jolla-camera fixes, fixed the cam thanks a lot. last self-made-broken thing fixed :) | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | /whowas says was: Quu | 17:44 |
| Quu | yay for stable servers | 17:44 |
| Quu | too bad i changed ISP and this one doesnt have local server for ircnet | 17:45 |
| Quu | oh, they do | 17:45 |
| Venemo | kelvan: you mean the gstreamer plugins madness? | 17:46 |
| kelvan | Venemo: yes | 17:46 |
| Venemo | kelvan: great, I'm happy it helped :) | 17:47 |
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| faenil | only few days to FOSDEM! \o/ | 17:52 |
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| Venemo | faenil +1 | 17:53 |
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| Yaniel | uhh sshfs just broke down on me it seems | 18:26 |
| Yaniel | apparently connecting as nemo does not give you permissions to /home/nemo | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | it just shows user and group 100000 | 18:27 |
| Sail0r | this is the group and user nemo | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | but why does mv error then? | 18:28 |
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| Sail0r | uid=100000(nemo) gid=100000(nemo) | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | mv: failed to preserve ownership for ‘jolla/Downloads/harbour-communi-0.1-rc.armv7hl.rpm’: Permission denied | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 18:29 |
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| Yaniel | hum | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | well the file moved | 18:29 |
| Sail0r | yes but failed to preserve permissions of your source folder ;) | 18:29 |
| Yaniel | and the permissions are -rw-r----- | 18:29 |
| Sail0r | that's normale | 18:29 |
| Sail0r | -e | 18:29 |
| Sail0r | this even happens via mtpfs | 18:30 |
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| Yaniel | next "oh right, cargodock does not support xdg-open" | 18:31 |
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| AL13N | faenil: be aware for possible snow | 18:34 |
| faenil | AL13N, oh god | 18:34 |
| AL13N | it's not guaranteed | 18:34 |
| AL13N | just, from thursday, it'll be -2°C maximum until past monday | 18:35 |
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| AL13N | probably alot lower | 18:35 |
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| AL13N | (right now it's still 6°C max) | 18:35 |
| AL13N | and there's snow scheduled night of friday on saturday | 18:35 |
| AL13N | it'll be the first snow we'll see this winter | 18:35 |
| AL13N | still big chance it's just melting snow | 18:36 |
| slate | Where abouts on the globe? | 18:36 |
| AL13N | but it might be something like 2y ago at FOSDEM | 18:36 |
| AL13N | slate: FOSDEM is at belgium | 18:36 |
| slate | yup | 18:36 |
| AL13N | i'm from .be, so i'm following it up | 18:36 |
| faenil | AL13N, I see, thanks for the headsup | 18:37 |
| AL13N | faenil: don't forget, they've been wrong before | 18:37 |
| faenil | AL13N, what do you recommend for the transport stuff? 10ways ticket? | 18:37 |
| AL13N | i donno | 18:37 |
| AL13N | faenil: i actively try to avoid brussels | 18:37 |
| AL13N | except for FOSDEM | 18:37 |
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| faenil | AL13N, ah ok :) | 18:38 |
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| InfoIRCNET | Info about IRC http://p.pw/DLV | 19:07 |
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| Tofe | faenil: cool that we'll meet again ! | 19:08 |
| faenil | Tofe, \o/ :) | 19:08 |
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| Quu | eh, another spambot? | 19:09 |
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| amixpb | hello | 19:12 |
| amixpb | got my jolla device today | 19:12 |
| amixpb | :) | 19:12 |
| Acce | amixpb: congrats! | 19:13 |
| Acce | how do you like it? | 19:13 |
| amixpb | I like it | 19:14 |
| amixpb | It is fast | 19:15 |
| amixpb | :) | 19:15 |
| amixpb | Its for mobiles and it runs as it should | 19:15 |
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| Acce | :) | 19:17 |
| Acce | I agree | 19:17 |
| amixpb | i run morphos/amigaos on desktop | 19:18 |
| amixpb | also osx | 19:18 |
| amixpb | but for mobiles, android itself is soo buggy | 19:18 |
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| amixpb | i can even see that on my jolla device. the very same Wait box appearing when something isnt working as well, but it doesnt affect the phone at all. Thats what I like. | 19:19 |
| ryukafalz | Is the Jolla UI still planned to be open sourced? | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | last news was "we are working on it" | 19:21 |
| * javispedro tried to install the sailfish SDK on his Dublin Ideapad, but the build VM takes 3-4 minutes to boot | 19:21 | |
| ryukafalz | hmm | 19:21 |
| opuk | what's the secret sause to add a google account to play store? I only get "unsupported action" | 19:21 |
| javispedro | that kind of rules out bringing the ideapad only to fosdem... | 19:22 |
| faenil | javispedro, eheh | 19:22 |
| tbr | opuk: hmm, I think just starting play store is enough | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i plan on doing that | 19:23 |
| tbr | haven't done it in a while | 19:23 |
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| * javispedro ponders between the 13'' monster and the ideapad | 19:27 | |
| javispedro | should have bought that intel tablet =) | 19:28 |
| FireFly | 13" is a monster? | 19:28 |
| ryukafalz | 13" is a good laptop size IMO | 19:28 |
| ryukafalz | the machine I'm on now is that | 19:29 |
| FireFly | Mine is 12.5" and I'm fine with its size | 19:29 |
| javispedro | this one is more 14ish | 19:29 |
| ryukafalz | ah sorry, mine's 12.5" | 19:29 |
| valdur55 | Oh yea. i am using my 10" tablet as laptop | 19:29 |
| javispedro | as of lately I think the right size is 10-12 | 19:30 |
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| ryukafalz | I used to use a 10" eee pc | 19:30 |
| ryukafalz | the portability was nice, but most laptops that size are lacking in specs | 19:31 |
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| FireFly | I think I'd feel a bit cramped on 10", but it's hard to tell when you haven't really tried | 19:31 |
| ryukafalz | it is a bit cramped, not the best for programming and such | 19:32 |
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| ryukafalz | but being able to just throw it in a backpack and add hardly any weight is hard to beat | 19:33 |
| ryukafalz | honestly, the surface pro looked really tempting | 19:33 |
| javispedro | ryukafalz++ | 19:33 |
| ryukafalz | ofc I'd install linux on it ;) | 19:34 |
| javispedro | again, ryukafalz++ | 19:34 |
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| javispedro | the wifi card on it doesn't work on linux as of yet, but marvell donated a few sfpros to get it fixed | 19:34 |
| ryukafalz | though I am a bit disappointed with tablet support in linux desktop DEs | 19:34 |
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| ryukafalz | current laptop is an x230 tablet, running KDE... not so touch friendly | 19:35 |
| ryukafalz | as much as I hate to admit it, windows 8 has a pretty decent touch UI | 19:35 |
| javispedro | have a x220t at work | 19:36 |
| Skorpy | ryukafalz: same, except i3 instead of KDE. | 19:36 |
| javispedro | ryukafalz: do you mean.. metro? | 19:36 |
| ryukafalz | javispedro: yep | 19:36 |
| javispedro | have to admit I do like the "bigfoot" UI vs "realwork" UI duality... | 19:37 |
| ryukafalz | as a KDE user I often wish I could drop into a more touch-friendly UI when I flip into tablet mode | 19:37 |
| Skorpy | ^ | 19:38 |
| ryukafalz | which I've heard is coming in plasma workspaces 2 | 19:38 |
| ryukafalz | quick workspace switching | 19:38 |
| ryukafalz | because they do have plasma active for that | 19:38 |
| javispedro | do they run different programs in every "plasma" workspace? | 19:38 |
| javispedro | I mean, bigfoot apps vs the usual KDE apps | 19:39 |
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| ryukafalz | I think it's more like... there are touch versions of some common apps, but you can run the full (not so touch-friendly) apps there too | 19:39 |
| javispedro | `Elapsed time: 01:42.' to build the skeleton Sailfish app on the IdeaPad =) | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | helo | 19:42 |
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| w00t | moin javispedro | 19:43 |
| kelvan | any of the 12.5" are thinkpad yoga? :) need a new notebook soon, and the yoga looks good and robust | 19:45 |
| * tbr is waiting for his yoga2pro to arrive | 19:46 | |
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| javispedro | don't understand how they messed up the battery life on that one | 19:48 |
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| kelvan | javispedro: >6h is acceptable, not grat of course but ok | 19:55 |
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| kelvan | tbr: I think I'm going with the thinkpad business line, I depend on stable hardware, didn't want to risk an troubles :) | 19:58 |
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| * lpotter has been eyeing dell xp3 13 | 20:01 | |
| lpotter | xps even | 20:01 |
| stephg | lpotter I have last years | 20:02 |
| stephg | it's good | 20:02 |
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| lpotter | in the US there is an ubuntu version available, butwhen I visited I wasn't there long enough for shipping to get where I was staying | 20:04 |
| stephg | yeah that's what I have, but the not the recent hardware refresh | 20:04 |
| tbr | kelvan: I'd have loved a T540p, but was told by mgmt "too expensive" | 20:05 |
| stephg | even has the ubuntu logo engraved on the bottom | 20:05 |
| * tbr is a thinkpad person | 20:05 | |
| stephg | sadly still has a windows key tho ;) | 20:05 |
| lpotter | I use my t61 daily, like the cf slot, as I use that as 2nd ethernet for hotspot testing | 20:06 |
| * lpotter grumbles about connman | 20:07 | |
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| stephg | you gotta stop grumbling about connman | 20:08 |
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| M4rtinK | thinkpads all the way :) | 20:08 |
| lpotter | I dont grumble about it when I work on sensors | 20:08 |
| pvanhoof | How about doing ln -s /home/nemo/Public /data/sdcard to allow android apps to access that folder? | 20:09 |
| javispedro | s/access/destroy/ | 20:09 |
| pvanhoof | I understand that the dalvik vm shouldn't get access to anything , but right now without going to a shell it's not really possible for a user to let an android app access its files | 20:09 |
| pvanhoof | javispedro, that's why i only mention the public folder.. | 20:09 |
| kelvan | tbr: depends on the configuration, $1k isn't that expensive, ok it is for an i3 :) | 20:10 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: you're right. typing on a x201 and starting to install the new x240 | 20:11 |
| Marc1 | ANyonw with experience about mounting jolla in Fedora 20? | 20:11 |
| tbr | kelvan: the i7 version with 3k display is quite expensive | 20:12 |
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| pvanhoof | Somebody knows how to make the sound work in dalvik-android apps? :) | 20:12 |
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| Viskari | @pvanhoof restart alien dalvik in terminal or restart device? | 20:17 |
| kelvan | restart dalvik usually works | 20:17 |
| kelvan | for a while at least | 20:17 |
| pvanhoof | trying | 20:17 |
| kelvan | I hope audio bug will be fixed in update3 | 20:18 |
| pvanhoof | what is the commandline for that? | 20:18 |
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| Viskari | devel-su systemctl restart aliendalvik.service | 20:19 |
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| pvanhoof | yep, works now | 20:22 |
| pvanhoof | thanks | 20:22 |
| pvanhoof | Hmm, can't reproduce. Thought that vlc in dalvik caused it.. | 20:23 |
| javispedro | here it happens when I've been using pulseaudio | 20:24 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: any idea when will the first build of modrana for sailfish can be tested? | 20:24 |
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| javispedro | ie it depends on which programs I've run on sailfish, not on which ones I've run on aliendalvik | 20:24 |
| pvanhoof | nod | 20:25 |
| Viskari | actually im pretty sure i managed to kick start audio by running speaker booster app | 20:27 |
| Viskari | I'll try that again if the error shows up again. | 20:28 |
| javispedro | meh, I think I'll bring the ideapad alone, just for the nostalgia | 20:29 |
| pvanhoof | Disabling nfc, is it still going to improve battery a lot nowadays? or has this bug been fixed? | 20:29 |
| javispedro | most definitely not | 20:30 |
| javispedro | not fixed. | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | not fixed? | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | ok | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | sorry jolla-nfc developers then | 20:30 |
| * javispedro ponders if disabling this tohd stuff will increase screen-on battery life.. | 20:30 | |
| pvanhoof | fix your code | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | :) | 20:30 |
| pvanhoof | (disabling) | 20:30 |
| javispedro | pvanhoof: oh, you were tracker guy, right? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | maybe you can explain what exactly this smartsearchd thing did on the N9 and why it could not be replaced by a few tracker queries? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | .. because I suspect the answer is "yes you can" =) | 20:32 |
| javispedro | *you can replace it, I mean. | 20:32 |
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| M4rtinK | thessy: well, just add this repository: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish:/modrana/sailfish_1.0.2.5_armv7hl/ | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: refresh & install harbour-modrana | 20:36 |
| thessy | ah, looked at https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: not there yet :) | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: I first want to add some more features | 20:37 |
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| thessy | indeed ;-) | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: and make sure data storage paths don't need to be changed | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: and generally that it actually works on another Jolla :) | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: I guess you can help me with that :) | 20:38 |
| thessy | i will try | 20:38 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: add repository over pkcon oder do i need zypper | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | well, not sure | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | I think you can add it with pkcon or ssu ? | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | zypper ar works, not sure about the others | 20:39 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: so you are using zypper | 20:40 |
| thessy | ? | 20:40 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, I've used zypper to add it | 20:40 |
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| M4rtinK | but IMHO should also work with ssu/pkcon | 20:41 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: will give it a try | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | only issue could be that it is not signed as all Mer OBS repos | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | or at least home projects | 20:41 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, what should work - getting position, tile download and caching, main menu, some options, about page, location info | 20:42 |
| M4rtinK | what should not work - search & map layer switching | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | cca | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | oh and it should install & uninstall cleanly, has app icon and uses appropriate data storage paths (XDG standard) | 20:44 |
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| * stephg just paid the tax man :( | 21:02 | |
| slate | Thanks for reminding, need to change my companys yearly estimate to zero. | 21:03 |
| slate | ;) | 21:03 |
| stephg | hehe | 21:03 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: harbour-modrana is installing... | 21:09 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: icon is there ;-) | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: yay! :) | 21:12 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: but it doesn' start :-( | 21:13 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: rebooted device, but no change | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: could be a missing dependency | 21:17 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: how to start from commandline? | 21:17 |
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| M4rtinK | thessy: sailfish-qml harbour-modrana | 21:17 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: ah, "bash: sailfish-qml: command not found" | 21:18 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: where to find it? | 21:18 |
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| M4rtinK | that's weird, it is declared as a dependency | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | I'll check it out | 21:19 |
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| M4rtinK | thessy: libsailfishapp-launcher | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | I'll add it as dependency :) | 21:20 |
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| thessy | M4rtinK: ok it's starting | 21:22 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: you are from brno? :-) | 21:22 |
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| Acce | can't you launch it just by "harbour-modrana"? | 21:23 |
| Acce | it probably doesn't use the booster, but works | 21:23 |
| thessy | Acce: there was no executable named 'harbour-modrana' | 21:23 |
| Acce | oh :o | 21:24 |
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| M4rtinK | thessy: yeah :) | 21:24 |
| Acce | it's pure qml? | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | Acce: QML & Python backend | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | but the map widget is pure QML | 21:24 |
| Acce | ok, no idea how python works on Jolla :) | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | I would say it works very well :) | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | so 0.44.3 has the dependency added :) | 21:26 |
| Acce | that's cool :) more supported languages, more developers | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | exactly :) | 21:26 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: great. i'm leaving... will play around with modrana the next days | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | thessy: let me know if you have any feedback :) | 21:27 |
| thessy | M4rtinK: sure | 21:28 |
| Acce | sigh, I don't understand what's wrong with pushAttached not working | 21:29 |
| Acce | it works in my other up just as I thought | 21:29 |
| Acce | now it just crashes | 21:29 |
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| Acce | and no error message or anything | 21:29 |
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| Acce | hmm, wait, running from cli it gives "Bus error" | 21:31 |
| Acce | what could that mean? | 21:31 |
| Quu | you didnt pay for the trip? :p | 21:32 |
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| Acce | I guess that must be it, since the driver is kicking me off the Bus all the time... | 21:32 |
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| Acce | gdb tells me there is QQuickItem::polish() loop | 21:39 |
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| Acce | what ever that means.. let's ask big G | 21:40 |
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| Quu | i could make so many lame puns from that.. | 21:41 |
| Quu | but i need to polish my pun-skills bit. | 21:42 |
| Acce | be careful or this Polish Bus driver is gonna get angry ;p | 21:42 |
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| mornfall | Sage_: hmm, I added cibot to my home project, is there anything else that I need to do to get the hook going? | 22:07 |
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| Sage_ | mornfall: hi just a moment mapping now | 22:13 |
| mornfall | good, thanks :) | 22:14 |
| Sage_ | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=harbour-weight-log&project=home%3Amornfall | 22:15 |
| Sage_ | so it is there now, you need to setup the repos though still to get it built | 22:15 |
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