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| nickg_ | has anyone installed the latest Sailfish update? | 12:23 |
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| mtd | nickg_: besides 10.0.2.5? | 12:24 |
| nickg_ | hmm, yeah the notification says it's for 1.0.2.5 - why am I only seeing this now? | 12:27 |
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| artemma | My app is three+ days in Harbour QA again compared to "average 48 hrs" claimed by harbour | 12:27 |
| * artemma doesn't like broken expectations | 12:28 | |
| Morpog_PC | omg thix rox | 12:28 |
| faenil | artemma, avg working days? :) | 12:28 |
| artemma | faenil: that's not what harbour says and even that's not true anyway | 12:28 |
| Morpog_PC | got me a new display, 27" with 2560x1440 :D | 12:28 |
| faenil | harbour says average 48? | 12:29 |
| artemma | that is unless I am exactly that outlier that never comes close to "average" value | 12:29 |
| mtd | nickg_: sounds like the bug where you always get update notifications | 12:29 |
| faenil | artemma, exactly :D | 12:29 |
| artemma | it says "Estimated hours for approval: 48" | 12:29 |
| Morpog_PC | well, estimated ;) | 12:29 |
| artemma | well, this estimation freaking needs adjustment then | 12:29 |
| faenil | it's not like it's a week or more (and even then, it should be seen why that happened) | 12:29 |
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| faenil | artemma, probably :D | 12:30 |
| * artemma doesn't like broken expectation. Estimated hrs create expectation, right? | 12:30 | |
| faenil | imho it would be cool to have something like "current estimated time" | 12:30 |
| faenil | based on how busy they are | 12:31 |
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| artemma | oh well, it would be good if fake numbers advertized themselves as example only | 12:33 |
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| artemma | now we are supposed to guessed that likes staying at zero and never changing 48 hrs are fake | 12:33 |
| * artemma got one more comment in store about "launch manager now can see which apps you are running!". Dudes just don't get that all the four pages of apps you installed can see which apps you are running :) | 12:34 | |
| artemma | that actually brings interesting question about Jolla's positioning. Non-existent security makes it not a good choice for concsious consumers, not enough allowed/permitted APIs make it not a good choice for people who want MOAR FEATURES no matter what, closed APIs make it not so good platforms for hackers either | 12:36 |
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| artemma | so.. Jolla is really for wannabe hackers who would really use nemo, but don't have skills/time to flash it to the device themselves? | 12:37 |
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| pp_ | :-) | 12:38 |
| ShadowJK | heh, iphones look old a clumsy now, compared to Jolla | 12:38 |
| nickg_ | mtd: shall I try installing it? do I need to undo my changes to the nfc service? | 12:39 |
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| f00barbaz | nickg_, there's a known bug where you get a notification about 1.0.2.5, even if you've already installed 1.0.2.5 ... if that's the case you can just ignore it | 13:03 |
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| Quu | well its not exactly bug ;p | 13:04 |
| Quu | every time Jolla dudes change something on the server (uploads new files etc) it notifies | 13:05 |
| Quu | but the notify should not happens | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | if it's not a bug, is it a feature? :) | 13:05 |
| Quu | pretty much yeah | 13:05 |
| Quu | atleast you can see they do some work | 13:05 |
| f00barbaz | hmm, really? If I do the commands in https://together.jolla.com/question/5184/1025-update-notifications-keep-re-appearing-although-update-already-installed/ the notifications go away at least until the next reboot | 13:06 |
| nickg_ | f00barbaz: thanks | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | i've just switched mine on and i have no notifications | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | fwiw | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | all you folks have to do is keep ignoring it for another 5-6 days :) | 13:07 |
| nickg_ | is there some "about this phone" functionality I can use to get the current installed version of Sailfish? | 13:08 |
| f00barbaz | Settings->System Settings->About Product | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | playing a bit around with graphs at the moment | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png is a view of SailfishOS from point of view of dependencies from the non-oss parts and down | 13:10 |
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| Quu | what a nice view | 13:12 |
| mornfall | any news on SDK sources? | 13:17 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: hmm, jolla-handwriting :-) | 13:18 |
| nickg_ | yep, already got 1.0.2.5 installed, guess it is that bug | 13:19 |
| mornfall | also, half of that stuff could be OSSd without a blink | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: mw, core, hw-adaptation, jolla-oss in that view is OSS | 13:20 |
| nickg_ | does anyone know if/when Jolla plan to start selling more Other Halfs? | 13:20 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: I mean in the jolla-non-oss block | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | mornfall: well, probably a longer discussion | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | most of the real meat is in mw though | 13:22 |
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| gasx | probably once the first few million already sold have shipped | 13:23 |
| mornfall | gasx: haha | 13:23 |
| gasx | in a month they beat microsoft's yearly sales for the last 3 years.. not bad | 13:23 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: 5-6 days you say? :) | 13:24 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: nice graph | 13:24 |
| AL13N | would be easier to get a grasp... be sure to present this as evidence for the meeting on FOSDEM (there's a question on when to know where to contribute) | 13:25 |
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| AL13N | btw: anyone know if the parkmeecrazy app dev is sometimes on IRC and under what nick? | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: yeah | 13:25 |
| AL13N | i did a merge request | 13:25 |
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| entil | hey guys, is it really so I can't send a contact over sms? | 13:26 |
| AL13N | https://sourceforge.net/p/parkmeecrazyforsailfishos/code/merge-requests/1/ | 13:26 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: so the aim is to have a release rolled out by FOSDEM? :) | 13:26 |
| entil | share gives me only bluetooth as an option | 13:26 |
| AL13N | mornfall: that would suck, cause the internetz is bad in FOSDEM | 13:27 |
| AL13N | too many people | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: i dunno, i'm just speculating based on the news i've seen | 13:27 |
| AL13N | entil: perhaps you can link another phone with bluetoot? | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | i honestly don't care too much atm | 13:27 |
| entil | AL13N: what would that help? someone asked me for a common friend's number and I figured I'd send it through People ;P | 13:28 |
| mornfall | you must have seen some news I didn't :D | 13:28 |
| mornfall | all I get is "soon" | 13:28 |
| mornfall | which could be something between days and years | 13:28 |
| entil | and because the phone doesn't have copypaste features I had to take the number down on the desktop and type it into an sms, which feels like the 90s right here | 13:28 |
| AL13N | entil: oh, you wanted to get it to him over mobile stuff | 13:28 |
| tbr | ofc it has c&p | 13:29 |
| entil | it has? whoah | 13:29 |
| entil | whoa whoa | 13:29 |
| AL13N | how? | 13:29 |
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| tbr | watch the howto videos | 13:29 |
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| tbr | even I learn something new from them from time to time | 13:29 |
| AL13N | ic | 13:29 |
| entil | the n900 supported c-c c-v everywhere implicitly but I guess I really need some tutorial videos then ;P | 13:29 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: well, a large portion of the code is already in "plain view" as qml/js, so it's not a trade secret... | 13:29 |
| entil | the real issue is however sending contact cards over sms | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: hehe :) | 13:30 |
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| tbr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ZSYVlbz28&list=UUgK45xp5j9vJMJ3odffESjA | 13:30 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: not providing an OSS licence on it won't stop evildoers from nicking and obfuscating, it only stops the good guys | 13:30 |
| mornfall | so the traditional "trade secret" excuse doesn't really work that great for Jolla :-) | 13:31 |
| tbr | entil: specifically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaJIF_NxExo&list=UUgK45xp5j9vJMJ3odffESjA | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: i mostly agree, but there's much more to the world than licenses and code | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | (personal opinion) | 13:32 |
| entil | tbr: nice | 13:32 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: sure, but hackability is a great value | 13:33 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: only reason I have a Jolla and not some mainstream handset | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | this is what i mostly wonder though | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | tizen, is a pretty complete set of base applications and source codes | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | yet nobody is using it | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu touch is a open mobile OS, while all the crap about CLA and about GPLv3, there's very few factually contributing | 13:34 |
| ar | samsung was supposed to debut a phone using it on ntt docomo, but the network said no | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | there's more to the world than just code and licenses | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | or hackability, for that matter | 13:35 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: hackability alone is more than just code and licenses | 13:35 |
| mornfall | also, what an end-user wants is something entirely different from what a handset maker wants | 13:37 |
| mornfall | ubuntu touch needs a handset, and so does tizen | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | the real challenge is fwiw that there's not much benefit in open sourcing something if you can't be open about the continued process, else it's just a codedrop | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish ui is very very designer driven - a feature doesn't get merged unless it has a proper approved design, runs at 60fps, etc | 13:38 |
| mornfall | hmm, I wish my phone ran at 60fps :D | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | we're getting there.. :P | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | stupid bug in the wayland stack | 13:39 |
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| mornfall | yeah, so I hear | 13:39 |
| smokex | do you think you'll be able to keep that battery life at 4+ days? | 13:39 |
| smokex | that is rediculous | 13:39 |
| mornfall | smokex: what is? | 13:39 |
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| smokex | 4 day normal use battery life | 13:40 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you have the same problem with native apps anyway | 13:40 |
| ar | isn't the tohd the biggest battery eater by-default on jolla? | 13:40 |
| mornfall | ar: yes, another of those bugs that are waiting for "the update" | 13:40 |
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| pp_ | can't wait for it :-) | 13:41 |
| pp_ | it's currently sooo close (and far :) ) from being what I'd like it to be | 13:42 |
| mornfall | I can only guess, but the rollout process must be pretty painful if they are delying fixes this critical for so long... | 13:42 |
| AL13N | entil: i had to "edit" the contact to copy the number, pasting was the easy part | 13:42 |
| smokex | likely these fixes have a ripple effect | 13:43 |
| smokex | requiring changes in multiple affected modules | 13:43 |
| entil | AL13N: that's ok imo, that's what I always did with the n900 sometimes.. like if I had a missed call from a weird number, I'd "add" it, copy the number with C-v, cancel adding, paste it into an sms and send it off to a number service to see who it belongs to | 13:43 |
| leinir | there's two things for me that's really problematic... firstly the battery life, and that's being worked on anyway... the other issue is that i have a lot of trouble waking the device up, seemingly due to a slightly dodgy network seemingly (which drops fairly often) causing blocking behaviour... | 13:43 |
| AL13N | entil: i went to people, pulley into Edit | 13:44 |
| AL13N | select phone | 13:44 |
| AL13N | press the phone number as if to edit | 13:44 |
| AL13N | press+hold to select it | 13:44 |
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| AL13N | extend selection to include the + | 13:44 |
| smokex | the ui locked for me when recieving calls | 13:44 |
| pp_ | https://github.com/nemomobile would suggest they're very busy :-) | 13:44 |
| AL13N | then went to home and started up SMS app | 13:44 |
| smokex | I assumed that was due to blocking behavior | 13:44 |
| AL13N | and clicked paste with new message | 13:45 |
| smokex | but it was on N950 so I assumed the jolla wouldn't have the same issue | 13:45 |
| entil | AL13N: yeah, seems like the procedure to do.. | 13:45 |
| pp_ | (git pushing on a saturday!) | 13:45 |
| AL13N | well, if people call, it keeps being locked | 13:45 |
| AL13N | if that's what you mean | 13:45 |
| smokex | I remember harmattan had similar issues | 13:45 |
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| AL13N | leinir: my issues are: no number displayed while you're calling, and WLAN drops packets and duplicates too | 13:46 |
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| mornfall | oh, it's leinir | 13:47 |
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| AL13N | all the other stuff, i'm pretty sure will happen at some time, like VOIP integration (with video), real video app, security linked to TOH, a real NAV app, etc... | 13:48 |
| leinir | mornfall: you lie! :O | 13:48 |
| AL13N | (a real file browser, etc...) | 13:48 |
| leinir | ...wait, no, it's me | 13:48 |
| AL13N | pr is it? | 13:48 |
| AL13N | *or is it | 13:48 |
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| tango_ | somebody should tell these guys http://irelandstechnologyblog.com/home/did-you-buy-a-jolla-do-you-regret-it-take-our-poll-tell-us-why/ that you CAN install android apks | 13:50 |
| leinir | done | 13:53 |
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| AL13N | the poll seems to be very clear to me | 13:56 |
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| Milo- | https://together.jolla.com/question/19592/suggestion-develop-more-agile/ this is exactly what managers seem to think when they hear the term "agile development". | 16:21 |
| Milo- | they seem to think agile development means coding becomes faster somehow | 16:21 |
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| ggabriel | Milo-: doesn't it? :P | 16:24 |
| Milo- | :) | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | it'd be funny if the person who opened that one is the PHB | 16:24 |
| Milo- | heh definitely | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | you know, monthly updates for us -are- agile.. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of that the cycle of updates is insanely shorter than what we've seen before | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | we still need to QA :) | 16:32 |
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| Milo- | but if you used <insert a trendy agile development process here> you could deploy twice per day! | 16:41 |
| Milo- | "Your productivity would sky rocket and the amount of bugs can be reduced by 248 %" | 16:42 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i'm nowadays not very good at maths but would you get negative amount of bugs? | 16:57 |
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| M4rtinK | underflow :) | 17:06 |
| javispedro | negative amount of bugs = positive amount of features? | 17:06 |
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| VDVsx | negative amount of bugs is a good one, hahah :) | 17:07 |
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| f00barbaz | yay, now I can ssh into my phone with less typing: http://pastebin.com/wFwfpX7i | 17:42 |
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| f00barbaz | (and, more importantly, scp stuff over) | 17:43 |
| Raim | f00barbaz: if you add 'Host jolla\nUsername nemo' to your .ssh/config, you could even type less | 17:44 |
| M4rtinK | doing just that :) | 17:45 |
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| M4rtinK | even scp uses that by default :) | 17:45 |
| f00barbaz | ah good idea, didn't know about that, thanks | 17:45 |
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| mornfall | Hmm, jolla seems to ask for "localhost" as a hostname in DHCP. | 17:49 |
| f00barbaz | yeah I modified the hostname | 17:50 |
| chouchoune1 | hi | 17:50 |
| Venemo_j | mornfall: you can change it if you want to | 17:50 |
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| mornfall | of course I want, where? :-) | 17:50 |
| chouchoune1 | did anyone get stuck in a sort of "reboot loop" ? | 17:50 |
| artemma | chouchoune1: many times. Goes away over time for me | 17:51 |
| f00barbaz | devel-su -> "hostname jolla" -> "cat jolla >> /etc/hostname" -> "vi /etc/hosts" [add "jolla" to end of first line] -> reboot | 17:52 |
| f00barbaz | may not need all those steps but went for the sledgehammer approach | 17:52 |
| mornfall | you mean echo, not cat | 17:52 |
| f00barbaz | yeah echo, sorry | 17:52 |
| mornfall | yeah, OK, so /etc/hostname works | 17:52 |
| mornfall | that's all I wanted to know I guess :-) | 17:52 |
| f00barbaz | BTW Raim: it's "User" not "Username" :) | 17:53 |
| f00barbaz | (at least on my version of ssh) | 17:53 |
| chouchoune1 | artemma: I had many unexpected reboots, but now it's just keeping displaying the Jolla logo (bootsplash) -> shutting down -> logo > shut down -> etc... :( | 17:54 |
| mornfall | yup, User | 17:54 |
| Raim | f00barbaz: oh, I stand corrected | 17:54 |
| mornfall | either way, showing up on the network as "localhost" by default is kinda silly | 17:55 |
| f00barbaz | my last reboot (after mucking about with the hostname) didn't work, just halted the system (done via "shutdown -r now") ... had me worried I'd bricked it there for a sec | 17:56 |
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| artemma | chouchoune1: Stskeeps might give a better advice | 17:56 |
| f00barbaz | other than that, I've only had two instances of the "Network Disconnection of Death", where it gets stuck in a loop disconnecting and reconnecting to the mobile network, consuming all CPU so that quickly you're unable to even unlock the phone | 17:57 |
| mornfall | so all I need to fix now is get a DHCP lease on tap0 and I'll be able to say ssh jolla from anywhere to anywhere :-P | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | chouchoune1: are you on 1.0.2.5 and coming to fosdem? | 18:08 |
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| chouchoune1 | Stskeeps: 1.0.2.5 yes I guess, coming to FOSDEM not :( | 18:11 |
| chouchoune1 | not this year | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | aw, i would have fixed it for you there. if it's in a reboot loop and recovery mode isn't helping, only thing possible is serviec | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | service | 18:11 |
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| chouchoune1 | Stskeeps: recovery mode works, wasn't sure if there is a sokution different from factory reset (and if it would work) | 18:12 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | 1.0.2.5 is a hell of adrug | 18:12 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | or was it cocaine | 18:13 |
| f00barbaz | anyone know how I install "less"? do I need to use zypper? | 18:13 |
| Quu | maybe you need more? | 18:14 |
| f00barbaz | alias less=more ? ;) | 18:15 |
| f00barbaz | I'd rather have less if possible | 18:15 |
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| pahartik | f00barbaz: "ssu addrepo mer-tools" | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | chouchoune1: as in, factory reset works or not? | 18:23 |
| chouchoune1 | Stskeeps: I can telnet | 18:23 |
| chouchoune1 | and it reboots when I press 2 (and then reboot loop) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | okay, well, if it's in a reboot loop not much else to try than a factory reset, but, i think it'll say invalid argument when trying to | 18:24 |
| chouchoune1 | didn't try the factory reset yet | 18:24 |
| chouchoune1 | ok; let's do that, anyway my data seams lost ;) | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | sorry about the issue, update3 fixes all these in much saner way | 18:24 |
| Quu | gief update nao | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | wait for it | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:25 |
| chouchoune1 | yes, invalid argument | 18:25 |
| Quu | but but! :< | 18:27 |
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| Stskeeps | chouchoune1: yeah :/ | 18:27 |
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| chouchoune1 | ok, so mail to care@ now ? ;) | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :/ sorry about that | 18:29 |
| motiejus | hello. I am on Jolla 1.0.2.5, can't install/find any apps using pkcon. pkcon search <anything> shows only installed stuff; can't find nothing what is not yet installed. | 18:30 |
| motiejus | have a bunch of repos enabled. pkcon update seems to run fine. | 18:30 |
| chouchoune1 | it's OK (would have been angry if another phone manufacturer, but as it's your first ... ;)) | 18:30 |
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| motiejus | I would like to install python, strace, maybe zypper. How can I debug this? | 18:31 |
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| f00barbaz | pahartik, thanks, will give it a try | 18:33 |
| HylianSavior | is it possible to purchase replacement batteries for the jolla? | 18:33 |
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| HylianSavior | i want to send one over air mail but batteries are illegal to ship | 18:33 |
| Quu | motiejus: version --dup (as root) | 18:33 |
| Quu | HylianSavior: pretty sure you cant, atleast not yet | 18:34 |
| HylianSavior | hum | 18:34 |
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| Quu | you could contact care and ask when they start selling them | 18:35 |
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| motiejus | @Quu: a few nasty warnings: REBOOT NOW, unless you need to investigate update issues, or know what | 18:35 |
| motiejus | you're doing (or both). | 18:35 |
| motiejus | also before that: Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) | 18:35 |
| motiejus | should I reboot now, like it says? | 18:35 |
| Quu | hmm | 18:35 |
| Quu | did you mess with developer settings? :p | 18:35 |
| Quu | the SSU part of them | 18:36 |
| motiejus | Yeah, I did. I tried very hard to make the domain 'jolla' by all means, otherwise it wouldn't let me upgrade (today morning I still had 1.0.0.5 IIRC) | 18:36 |
| motiejus | uh. not jolla. store. | 18:36 |
| motiejus | jolla -> store | 18:37 |
| Quu | yeah you need to run some commands to fix that | 18:37 |
| Quu | i just cant remember what they are | 18:37 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: ^ | 18:37 |
| motiejus | so I kind of "fixed" that, and it allowed me to do a system upgrade | 18:37 |
| motiejus | now next step is installing packages. | 18:37 |
| motiejus | (with an upgraded system) | 18:38 |
| Quu | it needs to be "sales" or something | 18:38 |
| Quu | if its incorrect, you cant install/update/thingies | 18:38 |
| motiejus | it is sales | 18:38 |
| Quu | i just cant remember :p | 18:38 |
| motiejus | Device domain is currently: sales | 18:38 |
| motiejus | I guess I can just restart like it asks me to | 18:39 |
| Quu | yeah sure | 18:39 |
| motiejus | rebooting | 18:39 |
| motiejus | @Quu back, rebooted. Now what? | 18:40 |
| Quu | try if the store works? :p | 18:40 |
| motiejus | pkcon install <package> ? | 18:41 |
| motiejus | I've never used the store. :-) | 18:41 |
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| Quu | yeah use that then | 18:41 |
| motiejus | [nemo@localhost ~]$ LANG=C pkcon install jolla-fileman <...> Fatal error: This request will break your system! | 18:42 |
| motiejus | ;) | 18:43 |
| motiejus | alternatively, should I just reset the phone and *do not touch* developer settings? | 18:43 |
| Quu | sounds like something is bit broken :p | 18:44 |
| motiejus | seems like that's what you get while browsing through past mailing list/forum posts | 18:44 |
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| motiejus | what is actually the jolla store? Do I even have to log in there? | 18:44 |
| motiejus | I have an account on jolla.com, are my credentials the same? Because I never got anything like 'ok, you're logged in' on my phone. | 18:45 |
| motiejus | (don't really understand how it works) | 18:45 |
| tbr | yes | 18:46 |
| Quu | tbr: can you help him? i am just horrible at helping people.. :p | 18:46 |
| tbr | let me scroll back | 18:47 |
| motiejus | a link where it describes that stuff would also be great (SSU, developer repositories, which logins are required, etc) | 18:47 |
| Quu | there is silly wiki somewhere | 18:47 |
| Quu | http://elinux.org/Jolla | 18:48 |
| motiejus | yeah. In wiki it says 'try to get developer access in devmode' | 18:49 |
| motiejus | <- avoid | 18:49 |
| motiejus | yeah, wiki is pretty slim | 18:50 |
| motiejus | @Quu @tbr any thoughts, or should I just go ahead and reset? | 18:50 |
| motiejus | though that's not what I usually do on a messed up Linux machine.. so trying to avoid that as much as I can | 18:51 |
| Quu | if you dont have anything you need to backup, reset would probably be the easiest | 18:51 |
| Quu | erh, i cant even english anymore | 18:51 |
| motiejus | @Quu but would not me teach anything | 18:51 |
| Quu | true | 18:52 |
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| Quu | hang on and wait for some people with real knowledge? :) | 18:52 |
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| sledges | motiejau, i think you should enable jolla store to work first | 18:52 |
| sledges | and install file manager from there (if that's what you're after first) | 18:52 |
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| Quu | yeah the store filemanager is better than jolla-fileman | 18:53 |
| FireFly | motiejus: when you first start the phone, IIRC it asks about jolla account credentials | 18:53 |
| sledges | would that be called harbour-fileman?.. i think it should still be called jolla-fileman, no Quu ? | 18:53 |
| motiejus | @FireFly yeah, I remember it does | 18:53 |
| sledges | and you can skip it :P | 18:53 |
| motiejus | huh | 18:54 |
| motiejus | store works | 18:54 |
| motiejus | at least I can search and see apps | 18:54 |
| sledges | so try e.g. the fileman | 18:54 |
| motiejus | one result: "cargo dock" is it that one? | 18:54 |
| sledges | what's the description? | 18:55 |
| motiejus | @sledges I am terrified you wrote my name correctly. :-) | 18:55 |
| motiejus | @sledges true, it's the one. two-paned filemanager. installing. | 18:55 |
| sledges | reflexes ;) | 18:55 |
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| tbr | motiejus: if ssu is messed up, then resetting the device is the recommended way to deal with it | 18:55 |
| sledges | motiejau, I think you are the only compatriot I've met in Jolla world so far :) | 18:56 |
| sledges | we should create @JollaLT twitter account to gather together | 18:58 |
| motiejus | @sledges that's _really_ good timing. | 18:58 |
| sledges | i thought of doing it earlier, but, yes, now it's really good | 18:58 |
| motiejus | fileman downloading for >5 minutes now, in 'downloading' state. journalctl does not report aything interesting | 18:59 |
| sledges | sounds a bit borky :/ | 18:59 |
| motiejus | @sledges I would love to spread the news about JollaLT, but not sure if a shared account is scalable. Maybe a hashtag | 18:59 |
| motiejus | ? | 19:00 |
| sledges | well, both ;) | 19:00 |
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| motiejus | #JollaLT is out. :-) | 19:00 |
| sledges | replied ;) | 19:02 |
| motiejus | ok, so I am doing the fallback to resetting the device, for first and hopefully the last time. | 19:02 |
| sledges | erm | 19:03 |
| sledges | have you checked your accounts section? | 19:03 |
| sledges | you could re-add jolla account first | 19:03 |
| motiejus | ah, true | 19:03 |
| motiejus | seemsl ike it's properly created & working | 19:04 |
| motiejus | and I forgot about it when I spoke previously. | 19:04 |
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| sledges | motiejus, coming to FOSDEM by chance? (not far from you ;)) | 19:06 |
| motiejus | @sledges yes. :-) | 19:06 |
| sledges | good timing again :) | 19:06 |
| motiejus | account readded. | 19:06 |
| motiejus | ;) | 19:07 |
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| sledges | fingers crosscompiled.. | 19:09 |
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| motiejus | readded account, restarted phone, redownloading fileman. downloading for >3 minutes already. | 19:13 |
| motiejus | just found about sailfish community dinner - sledges, I`m very glad you asked. | 19:14 |
| sledges | was just to tell you about it :) | 19:14 |
| sledges | how did you discover jolla? | 19:14 |
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| motiejus | I was quite unhappy about the phones in the market and was just looking.. looking.. and found | 19:15 |
| sledges | ;) similar of how i found nokia n9 back in the day.. | 19:16 |
| sledges | that's how we're here :) | 19:16 |
| motiejus | if interested, see here: https://plus.google.com/101059401507686219909/posts/SCJy1s39ixL | 19:16 |
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| sledges | +1 | 19:18 |
| sledges | :) | 19:18 |
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| motiejus | ok, fileman stuck again. tried to install from command line: Fatal error: This request will break your system! | 19:18 |
| * sledges tries the same | 19:19 | |
| motiejus | so I guess I messed up slightly too much | 19:19 |
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| sledges | so your `ssu domain` says sales? | 19:23 |
| motiejus | @sledges yup | 19:24 |
| sledges | and `ssu release` ?? | 19:26 |
| sledges | s/??/?/ | 19:26 |
| motiejus | Device release is currently: 1.0.2.5 | 19:27 |
| sledges | `ssu s | grep registration` | 19:27 |
| motiejus | Device registration status: not registered | 19:28 |
| sledges | probably that's not a major issue.. | 19:28 |
| sledges | my one's also not registered :) | 19:29 |
| motiejus | s/terrified/thrilled/ (way up there ...) | 19:29 |
| sledges | but i have another phone here, which doesn't want to download anything from the store | 19:29 |
| motiejus | hah | 19:29 |
| motiejus | same error? | 19:29 |
| sledges | motiejau, that's fine, you went from terrified to thrilled by now :)) | 19:30 |
| sledges | well, it's a development phone with internal updates.. time to dig deeper :) | 19:30 |
| sledges | can you pastebin your repos? | 19:30 |
| motiejus | sure | 19:30 |
| motiejus | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097519 | 19:31 |
| * sledges hopes to sort out two phones with one shot in the end | 19:32 | |
| mato__ | perkules sentaan, pitaapa tutustua nuihin | 19:33 |
| Quu | wut. | 19:33 |
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| motiejus | @sledges since you keep asking me questions about my setup, I don't press reset button just yet. What's the status? Is there hope? ;-) | 19:35 |
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| sledges | yes | 19:36 |
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| sledges | motiejau: | 19:38 |
| sledges | `ssu ur` | 19:38 |
| sledges | and repaste your list | 19:38 |
| motiejus | as root, or doesn't matter? | 19:38 |
| sledges | nm | 19:38 |
| motiejus | looks exactly the same: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097561 | 19:39 |
| sledges | ok | 19:39 |
| sledges | do you have ticked "Allow developer updates" in your "Developer settings" ? | 19:40 |
| motiejus | no | 19:40 |
| FireFly | Now, I don't know a lot about this, but are you trying to install with pkcon, motiejus? have you tried its -v flag? | 19:41 |
| salami` | is there some way to make custom application icons? I made one with fingerterm with args but some reason it does not appear in the grid | 19:41 |
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| motiejus | @FireFly I tried both from UI (Store) and pkcon. trying with -v flag. | 19:42 |
| FireFly | -v is for more verbose output | 19:42 |
| FireFly | I figure it'd be nice knowing why it says the request will break the system | 19:42 |
| sledges | motiejus: `ssu domain sales` | 19:43 |
| sledges | execute that again pls | 19:43 |
| motiejus | @FireFly -v switch: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097584 @sledges executing | 19:44 |
| sledges | and check repolist again | 19:44 |
| motiejus | @sledges looks exactly the same | 19:45 |
| sledges | ok, paste `ssu s` | 19:45 |
| sledges | you can mask away device ID | 19:45 |
| motiejus | ssu s: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097598 | 19:46 |
| sledges | motiejus: `ssu flavour` | 19:46 |
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| motiejus | Device flavour is currently: release | 19:47 |
| motiejus | @sledges is my repo list unexpected? | 19:48 |
| sledges | motiejus: `ssu release` | 19:48 |
| motiejus | Device release is currently: 1.0.2.5 | 19:48 |
| FireFly | Your repo list differs from mine, at least | 19:48 |
| motiejus | @FireFly how significantly? | 19:48 |
| FireFly | I don't have: apps-mw, mer-core, mer-qt, nemo, non-oss, oss, oss-bad | 19:49 |
| motiejus | i.e. diff? | 19:49 |
| motiejus | uh, that's a lot | 19:49 |
| sledges | motiejus: that's what im trying to revert | 19:49 |
| sledges | also paths are wrong | 19:49 |
| motiejus | I can remove them one by one | 19:49 |
| motiejus | ah, that's even more interesting | 19:49 |
| sledges | that's last resort ;) | 19:49 |
| FireFly | Oh yeah, what's up with jollamobile.com? | 19:49 |
| FireFly | but yeah, sledges probably knows what he's doing | 19:49 |
| * FireFly shuts up | 19:49 | |
| Stskeeps | he's a jolla sailor, of course he doesn't know what he's doing ;) | 19:50 |
| sledges | the path after domain FireFly | 19:50 |
| sledges | Stskeeps :D | 19:50 |
| sledges | do I know you? | 19:50 |
| FireFly | sledges: well, mine are all {store-repository,releases}.jolla.com .. | 19:50 |
| sledges | FireFly: i know, but also you have 1.0.2.5 in path | 19:51 |
| sledges | and motiejus hasn't | 19:51 |
| FireFly | Yes | 19:51 |
| motiejus | fun | 19:51 |
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| motiejus | looking around... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/Motiejus/latest_armv7l/ asks for username/password (HTTP Simple auth). My credentials neither from ssu.ini nor jolla.com don't work. What should I enter there? | 19:56 |
| sledges | motiejus: `ssu re 1.0.2.5` | 19:56 |
| sledges | re is shorthand for release | 19:56 |
| motiejus | @sledges yeah, understood. what now? | 19:57 |
| sledges | motiejus: your repo list is fixed ;) | 19:57 |
| sledges | check check | 19:57 |
| motiejus | looks better | 19:57 |
| kehnoo | saw first poppy red toh in the wild! | 19:57 |
| motiejus | 1.0.2.5 in paths and releases.jolla.com in domains | 19:57 |
| sledges | kehnoo: niice! | 19:57 |
| sledges | motiejus: start downloading :) | 19:58 |
| motiejus | wow. asks for confirmation. good sign | 19:58 |
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| motiejus | @sledges looks like it stuck in a loop: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097677 | 20:01 |
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| motiejus | asked for authentication when I did without -y switch | 20:02 |
| motiejus | sorry, not auth | 20:02 |
| motiejus | this: Do you want to allow installing of unsigned software? [N/y] | 20:02 |
| motiejus | after around 20 "y"'s I restarted with '-y' | 20:03 |
| sledges | motiejus: have you tried -v so to see what's being pulled in? | 20:03 |
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| motiejus | looks like it does not download anything: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097702 | 20:04 |
| motiejus | emit transaction-list-changed <=== and restarts | 20:05 |
| sledges | motiejus (as root): `journalctl | tail -n150` | 20:05 |
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| sledges | and motiejus surely your phone can ping google.com | 20:06 |
| motiejus | interesting http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4097703 | 20:06 |
| motiejus | yep, pings go through | 20:06 |
| sledges | ok | 20:07 |
| sledges | let's brake it down | 20:07 |
| sledges | ssu domain sales | 20:07 |
| sledges | and retry | 20:07 |
| sledges | afterwards - re-add your jolla account again | 20:07 |
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| sledges | and retry | 20:07 |
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| motiejus | retry <- retry pkcon install ? | 20:08 |
| sledges | yes | 20:08 |
| motiejus | same loop. readding account. | 20:09 |
| f00barbaz | might be worth trying 'pkcon refresh' | 20:10 |
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| motiejus | @f00barbaz that helped | 20:11 |
| motiejus | packages installed | 20:11 |
| sledges | \o/ | 20:11 |
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| f00barbaz | heh cool, was a wild guess | 20:11 |
| motiejus | cool. and the app is there and starts. :) | 20:11 |
| * sledges is thanking to some sailors behind the scenes and f00barbaz who helped ;) | 20:11 | |
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| motiejus | thanks a lot! | 20:11 |
| motiejus | for you both | 20:12 |
| sledges | 3 to be precise :D | 20:12 |
| motiejus | FireFly for participation, sledges for guidance, f00barbaz for wild guess :) | 20:12 |
| sledges | you're welcome, that was a nice teamwork | 20:12 |
| sledges | and Aard from essential help from behind stage ;P | 20:12 |
| sledges | *for | 20:13 |
| sledges | yay motiejau you didn't have to reset your phone :) | 20:13 |
| sledges | 'cause you're right - it's linux - everything's fixable ;) | 20:13 |
| motiejus | yep, that's what I am so happy about | 20:14 |
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| motiejus | Aard thanks! | 20:14 |
| motiejus | yay python shell. | 20:14 |
| motiejus | :-) | 20:14 |
| sledges | :D | 20:14 |
| FireFly | ^_^ | 20:14 |
| sledges | i've seen where all that was heading ;) | 20:15 |
| motiejus | hm.. no erlang. | 20:15 |
| motiejus | a nice one to port I think | 20:15 |
| attah | ^ +1 | 20:15 |
| sledges | motiejus: who said that? https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=erlang&project=mint | 20:15 |
| sledges | just recompile it ;) | 20:15 |
| sledges | packaging info is there already | 20:15 |
| motiejus | sure, port is the wrong word | 20:16 |
| motiejus | add to repo would be more precise | 20:16 |
| sledges | well, it is wrong only when you know someone put it on OBS ;) | 20:16 |
| sledges | erm | 20:16 |
| sledges | not exactly | 20:16 |
| sledges | on that link | 20:16 |
| sledges | there are only x86 repos | 20:16 |
| sledges | so you need to branch the project down, and add a mer armv7hl repo | 20:17 |
| sledges | quite a lot to learn if you are not familiar with OBS | 20:17 |
| motiejus | hm, might be interesting. Though I can't tell I had a really good experience with OBS | 20:17 |
| motiejus | have a package thetre: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=piqi&project=home%3Amotiejusj | 20:17 |
| sledges | i can do it for you and give the repo to add | 20:17 |
| motiejus | there* | 20:17 |
| motiejus | I used it quite a while ago. Does OBS still use SVN for package metadata management? | 20:18 |
| sledges | D: | 20:18 |
| sledges | you just lost some karma points | 20:19 |
| sledges | *g* | 20:19 |
| motiejus | heh, shame on me | 20:19 |
| sledges | joking :) | 20:19 |
| sledges | it mainly uses tar_git, which pumps the github repos directly | 20:19 |
| sledges | on your given tag | 20:20 |
| motiejus | so that is for fetching the source, right? | 20:20 |
| sledges | is a true bliss to use it now | 20:20 |
| sledges | yes | 20:20 |
| attah | i actually found erlang laying around somewhere for armv7hl.. just didn't dare satisfy it's dependencies.. so could someone less stupid than me tell me why one would want it built specifically for mer/sailfish? | 20:20 |
| motiejus | what about spec file and patches? | 20:20 |
| sledges | motiejus: the erlang one you are looking into is all upload in-place | 20:21 |
| sledges | file-by-file | 20:21 |
| sledges | so you need to branch the whole thing as -is | 20:21 |
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| motiejus | @attah I am writing a game logic in lua, which will be likely wrapped by erlang (quite conveinent). So here we go, erlang runtime. | 20:22 |
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| motiejus | @sledges true, that might make it easier to *not* require SVN. Initially, with piqi, I wanted to do it the CLI way. | 20:23 |
| motiejus | @attah AFAIK the "heaviest" dependencies for erlang are crypto (requires specific openssl versions) and wx. but for a phone you can disable them both | 20:23 |
| motiejus | then it's quite simple | 20:23 |
| motiejus | without these two I was able to compile erlang for tilera-64 | 20:24 |
| attah | motiejus: and there is one reason to build it specifically.. got it.. thanks :) | 20:24 |
| motiejus | @attah it's a pretext. :) reason is 'because I can' | 20:25 |
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| motiejus | I found somewhere in the manual: "if platform has GCC, you can run erlang on it" | 20:26 |
| motiejus | anyway, thanks a lot again | 20:26 |
| attah | the noblest of reasons.. and (so far) the main reason i decided to take up erlang programming | 20:26 |
| motiejus | now will install some useful apps like maps and stuff | 20:26 |
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| attah | I had the pleasure of taking a course for one of the guys that works with creating it, hands down the best post-uni course i've taken | 20:29 |
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| sledges | motiejus: to port (yes, you used the right word) erlang to jolla, you will have to unchaing it from Mesa, java, krb5, and wxGTK | 20:33 |
| sledges | hover on the 'unresolvable' in https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=erlang&project=home%3Asledge%3Asandbox | 20:33 |
| sledges | s/unchaing/unchain/ | 20:35 |
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| motiejus | where can I see the detailed error message? | 20:37 |
| sledges | erm | 20:37 |
| sledges | it's as detailed as can be | 20:37 |
| sledges | it cannot find those packages it needs | 20:37 |
| sledges | red light ahead :) | 20:37 |
| sledges | since it's not building against OpenSURE repo anymore | 20:38 |
| sledges | but against Mer | 20:38 |
| sledges | (which is the core in Jolla) | 20:38 |
| sledges | and Mer does not provide those | 20:38 |
| sledges | *SUSE | 20:38 |
| motiejus | ah, found it. | 20:38 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 20:38 |
| motiejus | these are all non-critical, should be easily disable-able in compile flags | 20:39 |
| motiejus | just a sec, I`ll check the configure script | 20:39 |
| motiejus | configure* flags | 20:39 |
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| motiejus | hm. is there a quick way to have a local sandbox to test my updated rpm spec? | 20:40 |
| motiejus | like pbuilder in debian if you know it | 20:41 |
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| sledges | you can do it via cmdline | 20:43 |
| sledges | first install Mer Platform SDK: | 20:44 |
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| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#tl.3Bdr | 20:44 |
| sledges | and then | 20:44 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_Community_OBS#Working_Locally | 20:44 |
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| motiejus | ok, that looks straightforward enough | 20:47 |
| sledges | or just stick to OBS web UI :D debugging takes longer but working RPM is just a click away (in cases that you don't have to debug much *cough* *sniff* ) | 20:47 |
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| sledges | you made it motiejus ! erlang's nearly done compiling ;) | 21:12 |
| motiejus | not too fast | 21:14 |
| sledges | heheh | 21:14 |
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| sledges | zzzzzinnnng... :) | 21:21 |
| sledges | java is still in ;) | 21:21 |
| artemma | at least you save time thanks to productivity of erlang! | 21:21 |
| artemma | :) | 21:21 |
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| motiejus | well, time to sleep | 21:23 |
| motiejus | I`ll see in the morning how it went | 21:24 |
| motiejus | good night, was nice having a chat | 21:24 |
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| nander | How many running hours are deemed normal for a led on a mobile phone? | 21:39 |
| nander | (what are the specs of jolla's led?) | 21:40 |
| nander | Is it hundreds or a thousand running hours? | 21:40 |
| * artemma thinks he figured the main source of most of his frustration with Jolla device when they happen. Jolla is just.. slow | 21:42 | |
| ottulo | hmm, I found something interesting :o | 21:42 |
| nander | Jolla isn't slow | 21:42 |
| nander | Jolla is incompetent at communicating | 21:43 |
| ottulo | in /etc/mce/10mce.ini there's a setting "Inhibit autolock when keyboard slide is open" | 21:43 |
| ottulo | is it just me or does that hint towards a physical slide-out kb? | 21:43 |
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| * artemma is sometimes frustrated at Jolla. Not very often, but it happens. My today's revelation is that in 50+ % of cases it is due to perceived slowness | 21:43 | |
| artemma | like reacting to double taps two seconds later, like freezing device for a second when reconnecting to network, like launching app 1 sec after "Launching.." card disappeared, like shutteringly moving Pulley menu, like scrolling in Android that is super slow and then jumps super-fast | 21:45 |
| ottulo | lens cover options... I feel these are prepared for TOH stuff | 21:45 |
| artemma | and my favorite: inability to answer a call, because.. screen just didn't have time to turn on quickly and when I try unlocking it with Power key, it eventually unlocks due to time and.. locks back because perceives this Power button press as command to lock | 21:46 |
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| artemma | ottulo: Jolla is heavily based on mer and nemomobile. Basically all middleware comes from there. And both projects aim to be installable wherever possible, keyboard devices included | 21:47 |
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| fk_lx | artemma: let's see what goodies will come with next update ;-) | 21:48 |
| fk_lx | artemma: but anyway your points are valid | 21:49 |
| artemma | fk_lx: I would love Jolla to be faster. Yet if I was a product management at Jolla right now.. I would focus more on stability and nailing down conceptually new UX (like now there are 3 THREE! different ways to access in-app menus), maybe on just one or two top performance issues. | 21:49 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I'm annoyed by the sim card problem | 21:49 |
| ottulo | artemma: that seems reasonable... it's nice to know there's options like these anyway | 21:50 |
| * artemma sometimes thinks Jolla is just nemomobile for lazy hackers - who are not into building and installing OS themselves | 21:50 | |
| ottulo | <- doesn't consider himself a hacker and has no idea about building an OS | 21:51 |
| artemma | ottulo: you got Jolla for some reason, didn't you? | 21:51 |
| artemma | what was it? | 21:51 |
| ottulo | so I think Jolla is more than that: it's a way to get more people into learning their phones | 21:51 |
| ottulo | artemma: unhappy with the other options, interest in having real control over my hw | 21:52 |
| fk_lx | well in my opinion coming months are decisive for Jolla | 21:52 |
| fk_lx | much depends what updates will bring, how the issues will be handled etc. | 21:52 |
| artemma | ottulo: real control by who? :) | 21:52 |
| artemma | okay, not very good joke, just personal pain point about zero security on Sailfish | 21:53 |
| ottulo | _P | 21:53 |
| ottulo | :P | 21:53 |
| ottulo | well, I'm just happy I can debug some stuff by myself instead of the only option being to send the phone to service | 21:53 |
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| artemma | fk_lx: nah, this market depends completely on operators. IMHO 90% of Jolla success depends on whether they manage to sell Jolla to operators. That is not the same as making a cool device for users, though it doesn't hurt certainly | 21:54 |
| ottulo | sure, I need others to tell me what to try as I don't know enough myself | 21:54 |
| ottulo | but at least I have the option, and I can poke around and see what makes stuff happen | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | operator provided devices...bleh :P | 21:55 |
| fk_lx | artemma: so it seems MWC will be important for them, and how operators will perceive them, when they reach their booth there | 21:55 |
| artemma | fk_lx: if operators find you at MWC only.. that's already a fail | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | never had one a probably don't really know anyone who did | 21:55 |
| artemma | MWC is a moment for announcements. And maybe for getting acquainted with the second wave of operators too, yes | 21:56 |
| fk_lx | M4rtinK: I guess most phones are sold through operators | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | fk_lx: I guess could be country dependent | 21:56 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: that's where the industry money are. Symbian was growing before Elop's Feb11 despite that it was clearly worse that iOS and Androids already then | 21:57 |
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| artemma | you know, normal people (i.e. people whose money you want) come to a store to.. buy a phone, sometimes buy a Nokia phone if they used Nokia before, that's it. | 21:58 |
| artemma | oh yeah, it also can do Facebook and Angry Birds, right? :) | 21:58 |
| Quu | facebook and angry birds are too important for typical user. | 21:59 |
| Quu | most people dont even care if you cant call with your phone | 21:59 |
| Quu | as long as facebook works | 21:59 |
| artemma | it's a pity Jolla didn't manage to put Angry Birds and Clash of Clans and things like this to the phone by default. You know, these guys are also located in Helsinki | 21:59 |
| nander | Default apps | 22:00 |
| artemma | and Helsinki nowadays is THE world capital of mobile games | 22:00 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I wonder what happens with sales of Jolla device when they will release publicly Sailfish images for those Nexuses like Nexus 4 | 22:00 |
| nander | Never thought I'd find anyone who actually likes them | 22:00 |
| artemma | nander: sorry, we are talking about money here, not about likes :) | 22:00 |
| artemma | well, some of us at least | 22:00 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 22:01 |
| * artemma loves his Jolla primarily because he can do two of his favorite things there: mobile apps and Qt/QML. That's it. Oh yeah, it's also cool to have a "special" device not everybody has | 22:01 | |
| faenil | artemma, I have to agree with your performance points, I'm looking forward to seeing that improve | 22:02 |
| faenil | fk_lx, you have SIM holder issue? | 22:02 |
| artemma | Once Qt/QML is powerful enough on iOS/Android (if it ever becomes as powerful as native options), I'll reconsider | 22:02 |
| artemma | faenil: unfortunately performance things don't seem to get voted high on harbour :( | 22:02 |
| faenil | ottulo, that's a very good way to learn :) | 22:02 |
| faenil | artemma, yeah :( | 22:03 |
| fk_lx | faenil: unfortunately yes, and it's annoying when I take out phone from pocket and notice it was offline | 22:03 |
| faenil | fk_lx, yeah it must be very annoying | 22:03 |
| fk_lx | faenil: and I miss phone calls because of that | 22:03 |
| nander | is that the reason for the random shutdowns? | 22:03 |
| * artemma hopes Jolla product managers don't listen to crowd too much. Sorry, but most of the time inefficently managed crowd is not too clever. And certainly not focused | 22:03 | |
| fk_lx | faenil: good that I use only Jolla for private number | 22:03 |
| faenil | I wonder how lucky I am: I cut my simcard myself and it's not done very well, and never had an issue xD | 22:03 |
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| fk_lx | faenil: I haven't had issues with this card in other phones ;-) that tells something | 22:04 |
| faenil | fk_lx, sure :) | 22:04 |
| artemma | nander: I was studying frequent shutdowns on connection loss/retrial (well, just saw what crashes), interestingly most of the time that was Android | 22:04 |
| nander | it may be | 22:04 |
| nander | I have android apps open 90% of the time ;) | 22:04 |
| nander | things like the steam app | 22:04 |
| * faenil found a couch to sleep on at FOSDEM \o/ | 22:05 | |
| artemma | hmm… then maybe uninstalling Android support will make your phone more stable. fk_lx: eager to try? :) | 22:05 |
| artemma | nander: some android stuff is running all the time. I think it takes some 20-60 for Android to initialize after phone boot. And that's about time when shutdown cycle enters its next round | 22:06 |
| artemma | faenil: congrats! Have fun there! | 22:06 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I don't think it has anything to do with Android support in my case. What I suspect is purerly hardware/physical issue | 22:06 |
| faenil | artemma, thanks :) there will lots of cool people, looking forward to meeting new and old friends :) | 22:06 |
| faenil | will be* | 22:06 |
| nander | mine is not in a cycle | 22:07 |
| artemma | fk_lx: I thought the same (me had up to 10-15 rounds long shutdown cycles), but most of the time it was Android that crashed. Maybe it is a hardware issue that harms some android process particularly hard | 22:07 |
| nander | Mine is at random | 22:07 |
| nander | Or a very long cycle | 22:07 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I don't have shutdown problem, I only have sim card (holder?) problem | 22:07 |
| artemma | nander: mine too. long and frequent cycles when traveling (poor connection, wifi points that need password), almost never in Helsinki downtown (stable 3G, known and free wifi only) | 22:08 |
| * faenil once again has never had a shutdown :/ and uses android apps as well | 22:08 | |
| fk_lx | artemma: I myself tolerate such issues with understanding, but I don't think average Joe will | 22:08 |
| fk_lx | artemma: they will just say phone is crap | 22:09 |
| artemma | fk_lx: why don't you exersize warranty? Seriosly, if it's a real HW issue | 22:09 |
| fk_lx | artemma: and spread these kind of news among friends | 22:09 |
| faenil | the only shutdown I've had is because of the use of LED flash with low battery | 22:09 |
| faenil | but that's "expected" | 22:09 |
| Quu | faenil: thats kinda what the shutdown-problem is all about | 22:10 |
| faenil | fk_lx, +1 | 22:10 |
| Quu | sudden power-drain and phone shutdowns | 22:10 |
| nander | it's not actually down with mine | 22:10 |
| nander | Just below 50% | 22:10 |
| faenil | Quu, no the LED thing is "normal", all phones just disable LED when battery is low | 22:10 |
| nander | It can reboot afterwards | 22:10 |
| Quu | oh, that | 22:10 |
| Quu | derp, its too late to be able to read and think | 22:10 |
| faenil | :) | 22:11 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I have that kind of problem, that I don't leave in Finland and I guess using the warranty would result in unwanted costs and not having phone at all for many weeks | 22:11 |
| fk_lx | *live | 22:11 |
| artemma | fk_lx: you are one of the people sailors know, sure they can help you with remote testing of what the issue is and deliver replacement on occasion. Say if you go to FOSDEM | 22:12 |
| artemma | that is if remote testing will show clearly enough it's hardware | 22:12 |
| pp_ | mine just shutdown at 18% battery (just as I was plugging it in for more :-) ) | 22:13 |
| fk_lx | yes I'm going to FOSDEM and I guess I could anytime (when in Warsaw) leave my phone to Stskeeps, but don't know if it all makes sense | 22:14 |
| artemma | fk_lx: asking shouldn't hurt ;) | 22:14 |
| artemma | you don't to do it though | 22:14 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 22:14 |
| pp_ | heh, my power management log: | 22:15 |
| pp_ | Temperature: 376 degC | 22:16 |
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| pp_ | IT'S BURNING! | 22:16 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I'll think, for now don't know if adding one more problem on their already overworked Care makes sense | 22:16 |
| pp_ | (or means 37.6 C or whatnot :) ) | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | what did you expect ? it's winter in Finland ! | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | they need every source of heat they can get their hands on ! | 22:17 |
| artemma | most of the time we use alcohol though. Now Jolla heaters are a potential replacement for vodka. That is why Jolla is the big Finnish hope | 22:18 |
| Quu | bah, -7c is too warm | 22:18 |
| Quu | you dont even need coat or anything | 22:19 |
| artemma | Quu: you see, Jollas are working. And that;s with just 10-15K devices sold | 22:19 |
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| pp_ | hmn, 20140125_234859 Shutdown: SW shutdown request | 22:19 |
| pp_ | (ah, there's a https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ ) :-) | 22:24 |
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| Quu | yes there is | 22:27 |
| Quu | with pygace's poopy "answers" | 22:27 |
| Quu | and people claiming it started after updating to 1.0.2.5 | 22:28 |
| Quu | mine started 3 days before the update. | 22:28 |
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| ottulo | Quu: walking to store in a t-shirt @ -12°C :) | 22:34 |
| Quu | yeah that happens sometimes | 22:35 |
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| motiejus | @Quu are you from Helsinki? | 22:37 |
| Quu | no | 22:37 |
| Quu | ~289km north from helsinki | 22:38 |
| Quu | +/- .5km | 22:38 |
| motiejus | Jyväskylä? | 22:39 |
| ln- | *north of | 22:39 |
| Quu | ln-: im tired. | 22:39 |
| ln- | *i'm | 22:39 |
| Quu | motiejus: yeah, around there | 22:39 |
| Quu | fakkof | 22:39 |
| ln- | you're welcome | 22:39 |
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| motiejus | @Quu amazing place. | 22:40 |
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| Quu | motiejus: not if you have lived here all of your life :p | 22:40 |
| motiejus | @Quu yeah, that's the case for all the world I think. Place X is often great unless you live there | 22:41 |
| motiejus | but for me Jyväskylä was a bit exceptional. :-0 | 22:41 |
| Quu | nothing happens here | 22:42 |
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