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| CoderCandy | okay | 01:10 |
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| CoderCandy | I'm home | 01:10 |
| CoderCandy | time to sleep | 01:10 |
| CoderCandy | thanks viw for the links earlier! | 01:10 |
| CoderCandy | (what... I'm totally not drunk....) | 01:11 |
| CoderCandy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnyway | 01:13 |
| CoderCandy | time to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp | 01:13 |
| CoderCandy | G'nite everyone! | 01:13 |
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| nander | I've got a fun question for speculation: would gamecube emulation be possible on the jolla? | 02:22 |
| nander | yikes, 2GB ram required on windows | 02:23 |
| special | I'd start with 1) are there any gamecube emulators for ARM?; 2) what are their memory requirements | 02:23 |
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| special | might want to go back a generation or two :p | 02:23 |
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| nander | I wanted to play beyond good and evil on my phone ;) | 02:26 |
| nander | I want to play it, but can't bring myself to playing it on the pc ;) | 02:26 |
| nander | m64 should be possible though | 02:28 |
| nander | That one was ported to the pandora | 02:28 |
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| pawky|3 | jonni: wouldn't you say letting the volume button work even when the screen is of is a bug? In real life it will many times accidentally turn the volume off when carrying it in your pocket. I believe it should only work when the screen is lit or when you listen to MP3. | 07:48 |
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| AL13N_work | or when you're calling | 08:05 |
| AL13N_work | this reminds me, the ringtone is pretty silent | 08:05 |
| AL13N_work | it's like it's not using the full range of the audio format | 08:05 |
| AL13N_work | ie: recorded/mastered too silent | 08:06 |
| AL13N_work | even though audio level is at 60% i often can't hear it, but hear the vibration instead | 08:06 |
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| vanadis | oh hai | 08:21 |
| vanadis | is there a way to search in exchange-mails? | 08:21 |
| suosaaski | search what? | 08:24 |
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| vanadis | suosaaski, e-mails? | 08:26 |
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| suosaaski | have you tried the search box in outlook or owa? :) | 08:29 |
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| pawky|3 | I reallly hope someon will fix this volume button bug soon... | 08:38 |
| sremes | what's that? | 08:39 |
| stephg | pawky|3: is it still a 'bug' if the media player is playing and the screen off? I like being about to turn it down without waking the device | 08:39 |
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| stephg | ^ to me, not a bug | 08:39 |
| pawky|3 | stephg: No, if media player is playing I assume you are listening to the music, and you will hear if the volume changes. | 08:40 |
| tbr | volume control if something is playing is SOP for all platforms | 08:40 |
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| * tbr researched that for a FirefoxOS bug | 08:40 | |
| pawky|3 | tbr: SOP? | 08:40 |
| tbr | StandardOperatingProcedure | 08:40 |
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| pawky|3 | tbr: Yes, and thats fine by me :-) | 08:41 |
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| tbr | so the problem is? | 08:41 |
| pawky|3 | If the phone screen is turned of... (and you are probably carrying your phone in you pocket or whatever) | 08:41 |
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| pawky|3 | shortly, volume button should work: When Calling, When scren is turned on, when music/video is played. Button should be off otherwise | 08:43 |
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| pawky|3 | In my case I use the Bugatti XL cover for my phone. As the cover is fairly sturdy it might actually push upon the volume button at times, making the phone go silent. | 08:44 |
| osaton | nope, you should be able to change volume with the phone in your pocket | 08:44 |
| osaton | what you want is a special option for disabling volume buttons when screen is locked | 08:45 |
| tbr | actually that's also SOP. let me dig out my fxos bug | 08:45 |
| flux | osaton, do you often adjust volume with blanked screen when you're not playing anything? | 08:46 |
| flux | I think I've never done that on purpose | 08:46 |
| flux | how do you know what volume you end up anyway? | 08:46 |
| tbr | pawky|3: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796492 | 08:47 |
| Merbot` | Mozilla bug 796492 in Gaia::System "Volume can be changed while phone screen is off." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 08:47 |
| flux | "the phone is silent, I think I should increase the volume by two clicks" | 08:47 |
| osaton | oh, sorry :D agree with pawky|3 ;) | 08:47 |
| tbr | pawky|3: note that there is a CRUCIAL difference though. you can't mute the jolla with the buttons and AFAICT it doesn't affect ring volume? | 08:47 |
| tbr | it was highly annoying on FxOS as there it would adjust ring volume and even disable vibration | 08:48 |
| pawky|3 | osaton: Touching the screen with your finger(s) will turn the display on, and then you should be able to change the volume . | 08:48 |
| osaton | yep | 08:50 |
| stephg | imo the volume should work with the screen off, it would be unintuitive otherwise, if there's a pin lock however... | 08:50 |
| pawky|3 | stephg: why would you like to change the volume without touching the screen and not listening to anything? | 08:50 |
| stephg | not sure I would, but I'd still expect the buttons to work | 08:51 |
| pawky|3 | if your fingers will be on the volume button, I am assuming at least one of them could also give the screen a quick touch confirming you really want to do it. Otherwise there is no way for the phone to know wether you are intentionally presing the button, or something funny in your trousers accidentally will :-) | 08:52 |
| * stephg always funny things going on in my trousers | 08:52 | |
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| vanadis | suosaaski, that's what i did after not finding a search functionality in the mail client | 08:53 |
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| suosaaski | vanadis: whoops, didn't notice you asked on the jolla channel, so didn't realize you are using the Jolla client | 09:37 |
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| vanadis | suosaaski, :3 | 09:45 |
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| tobiski | All of a sudden my email application doesn't check for new messages automatically on IMAP/POP accounts o_O | 10:28 |
| tobiski | I have set it to check new emails in 5 minutes interval and when I go to webmail on pc I can see unread email sent almost 3 hours ago | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: that is a known issue i think | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | especially after stopping tohd.service | 10:30 |
| tobiski | ggabriel: oh ok, think it has something to do with masking tohd.service since at first it checked for new messages | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | yup, seems like the phone goes to deep slepe and forgets to check | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | if you are playing music, however, it will check :) | 10:32 |
| tobiski | how inconvinient :/ | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | you can vote in tjc so that it gets fixed | 10:33 |
| tobiski | well, updating the email accounts is just one swipe away so it's better than having to log in to every single account on pc and check for new emails :) | 10:33 |
| tachikoma | klar, so ne lobotomie ista uch interrersant, kurzzeitig | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | ups, rong channel | 10:35 |
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| Venemo_j | tobiski: yep, known issue | 10:37 |
| qqK | does anyone know why the mobile data counter resets sometimes? happened to me twice already | 10:37 |
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| tobiski | Venemo_j: ye, I was just confused that it suddenly didn't check for new emails even though there hasn't been updates for the application/OS | 10:38 |
| Pnuu | qqK: https://together.jolla.com/question/482/data-counters-reset/ | 10:38 |
| Tegu | also why the mobile data shows 0.7 MB downlink and 0.1 MB uplink a bit after counter reset even though I'm not using mobile data? haven't checked the bill though, yet | 10:38 |
| tobiski | anyone know the link to tjc with that email app problem, can't seem to find it? | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: o/ + happy belated bday | 10:39 |
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| Venemo_j | thanks ggabriel you too! | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | thanks :) | 10:40 |
| Venemo_j | :) | 10:40 |
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| Venemo_j | seems that jolla's too loud in a quiet environment and too quiet in a noisy environment | 10:41 |
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| TheBootroo | system update coming soon(TM) or Really Soon (TM) ? | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | TheBootroo: this month | 10:42 |
| wickwire | Hi guys, how may I take a screenshot from the jollamobile screen? | 10:42 |
| tbr | wickwire: there are apps for that | 10:42 |
| tachikoma | i today got a system update notification | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | Nicd-: as the month ends soon, it should be Very Soon ;-) | 10:42 |
| tbr | wickwire: also you can just do it over SSH | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: just checked, it says 'up to date' | 10:43 |
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| wickwire | tbr: I saw a guide using imagemagick, but I'm not being able to install traditional linux apps on the phone over ssh | 10:43 |
| wickwire | I tried using zypper | 10:43 |
| wickwire | how may I do it over ssh? | 10:43 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: i just saw the notification this morning on the train, did not react to it at all upp to now | 10:44 |
| Pnuu | tobiski: this is the closest I could find: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-email-not-syncing-problem/ | 10:44 |
| Pnuu | wickwire: go to store and install one of the screen capture apps | 10:45 |
| tbr | wickwire: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.nemomobile.lipstick /org/nemomobile/lipstick/screenshot org.nemomobile.lipstick.saveScreenshot string:PATH | 10:45 |
| Pnuu | wickwire: eg. Screenshot, which seems to be quite nice | 10:45 |
| tbr | replace PATH obviously | 10:45 |
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| tbr | and yes, the store apps as mentioned by Pnuu and me are good | 10:46 |
| wickwire | tbr, Pnuu many thanks, tried both approaches and have them working | 10:50 |
| tobiski | Pnuu: thanks, voted that up | 10:52 |
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| bara | i am new to rpm, how do i install and search for packages on commandline on jolla? | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | bara: pkcon search name [name of package] | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | pkcon install [name of package] | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | you have the rpm command too, but use pkcon best | 12:55 |
| bara | thanks :) | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | i only use rpm to query for installed packages | 12:56 |
| bara | why is that? | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | because i couldn't be asked to find out how to do it otherwise :P | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | rpm -qa|grep ftw | 12:56 |
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| krnlyng | hi, the battery on the jolla phone discharges pretty fast, is there a way to improve battery performance? is it the other half daemon which uses so much battery or maybe the aliendalvik services? | 13:02 |
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| tachikoma | krnlyng: after disbaling the tohd i have a bettry life of 2,5 - 3 days | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | krnlyng: it's been found that tohd.service is the main culprit | 13:03 |
| tachikoma | before that maybee half a day | 13:03 |
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| ggabriel | but in at least 7 days we may have a fix and evreything :D | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | s/at least/maximum/ | 13:05 |
| krnlyng | tachikoma, ggabriel thanks | 13:05 |
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| krnlyng | tachikoma, ggabriel do you know what the other half daemon does? does it do something important or can one safely disable it without loosing features? | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | krnlyng: it detects the other half | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | for example | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | i had it off pretty much from day 1 | 13:06 |
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| ggabriel | one day i started it, detected the other half, downloaded content, and so on | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | so if you have 2 other halves, perhaps it won't change the ambience | 13:07 |
| tachikoma | after disabling i did not loose any functionality i would be aware of | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | once ambiences are downloaded, you can continue using them manually with tohd.service disabled | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | oh, there are other things... i think email sync goes berserk if it's off | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | there is plenty of info in together.jolla.com about that | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | weekend read :) | 13:08 |
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| bara | hmm there is no wget? | 13:14 |
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| roboro | wget is in the openrepos.net repository... you can pick it up in Warehouse | 13:14 |
| salami` | bara: use curl | 13:15 |
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| bara | :) | 13:15 |
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| Kabouik | Hi guys | 13:41 |
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| Kabouik | Am I the only one not showing videos playing in the media cover in homescreen? I remember it was one of the features showed off a lot of time in official videos. I only see a subsample of picture thumbnails | 13:42 |
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| Kabouik | -showing +seeing | 13:42 |
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| ottulo | Kabouik: same here | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: i only have the videos that come with the phone and never saw anything | 13:43 |
| ottulo | although I sort of remember it showing the playing video too.. | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | Ok, perhaps it was temporarily disabled then | 13:43 |
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| Kabouik | I'd like the cover showing something dynamic at least though, the subsample shown is always the same, doesn't depend on whether I scrolled the list of pictures or not, and whether a picture was maximized or not | 13:44 |
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| ottulo | yeah, seems to show the top images | 13:45 |
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| Kabouik | Absolutely | 13:45 |
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| Kabouik | Hope it's temporarily, although it's not very important anyway | 13:45 |
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| Kabouik | Any IRC client project for Sailfish? Nothing in warehouse or store yet I know, and I have not seen anything on TMO yet either, but perhaps it has been discussed here on #jollamobile? | 13:47 |
| Kabouik | Quassel would be awesome, but anything would be good | 13:47 |
| Jope | there's one for nemo that I believe was going to be ported to silica also | 13:47 |
| Jope | "irc chatter" I think it was? | 13:48 |
| Jope | but why would you want a local client. | 13:48 |
| Kabouik | Communi? Chatter? | 13:48 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 13:48 |
| Jope | ssh + irssi :-D | 13:48 |
| Jope | + screen | 13:48 |
| Jope | ircnet is such a pain to get to anyway.. always running at the global limit | 13:48 |
| Kabouik | Because I don't have a server, only my home computer, but I don't let it on permanently :( | 13:48 |
| Jope | ah | 13:48 |
| Jope | raspi at home = low power irc box :-D | 13:49 |
| Waitee_ | university shells <4 | 13:49 |
| Waitee_ | <3* | 13:49 |
| Waitee_ | damn i cant type today | 13:49 |
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| Kabouik | What are university shells? | 13:49 |
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| ottulo | a shell provided by a university | 13:49 |
| Waitee_ | shell servers provided by a university | 13:49 |
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| Kabouik | (Additionally, SSH is hard to configure when only 3G connection is available Jope, I guess one would have to use reverse ssh like on N900? Never managed to do it) | 13:50 |
| Raim | why would that be hard on 3G? | 13:51 |
| Kabouik | Because the 3G IP is private | 13:51 |
| Hartzi | I dont see the problem | 13:51 |
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| Kabouik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Reverse_ssh | 13:51 |
| Kabouik | Well, I may see a problem because I'm not comfortable with that kind of tweaks | 13:52 |
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| Kabouik | I am not experienced, I just follow guides when it comes to command lines :o | 13:52 |
| Kabouik | Apart from very basic stuff | 13:52 |
| Raim | no, it's the other way around. it's easy to initiate a connection from the phone anywhere else, but reaching the phone from the outside will not work when your provider uses NAT so you get a private IP only | 13:53 |
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| Hartzi | every provider doesn't use NAT | 13:54 |
| joonahoi | that "reverse ssh" link seems to describe creating ssh tunnel from behind the nat to a server on public network | 13:54 |
| joonahoi | and it will work just fine | 13:54 |
| joonahoi | despite of the device | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | Oh right, that's true that for irssi + server, the phone is the client | 13:55 |
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| joonahoi | well, that's a different approach, but yes, that's how most of the people on irc are rolling | 13:55 |
| Kabouik | Perhaps it's just my brain manipulating me and reminding me that it would like to have permanent SSH connection with the Jolla as host, including when no USB or wifi is available :p | 13:56 |
| joonahoi | yes, exactly. that's what your link describe | 13:56 |
| joonahoi | describes | 13:56 |
| joonahoi | but you will have to use a server on public network as a middle man | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | Anyway, I'm not planning on keeping the home computer on all the time, so a Sailfish client will be welcome when available | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | Yes, that's why I never managed to do it with the N900 either | 13:57 |
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| Kabouik | Speaking of ssh, I might try out mosh one of these days... | 13:57 |
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| tbr | works nice from the jolla | 14:02 |
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| atlaz | Hey if anyone needs a month old Jolla-phone for a little bit less than store prices, then contact me (im situated in Finland) | 14:04 |
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| atlaz | Im selling a phone for someone | 14:05 |
| sharpneli | atlaz: :( | 14:07 |
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| krnlyng | is there a way to mark all emails in the inbox as read? i have a pop3 account and it does display 529 new emails which is a little annoying | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | krnlyng: not at the minute | 14:15 |
| krnlyng | ggabriel: :( | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | there's a request in tjc for that too :) | 14:15 |
| krnlyng | cool :) | 14:15 |
| krnlyng | is there a manual way? (eg edit a file in terminal) | 14:16 |
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| ggabriel | krnlyng: i have no clue | 14:16 |
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| mikma | this "screen not turning off" is rediculous | 14:42 |
| mikma | this time only reboot helped. stopping aliendalvik didn't work | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | wind @ 21km/h and 2 C in fosdem, sounds pleasant | 18:06 |
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| narchie | :/ | 18:10 |
| narchie | 1.0.2.5 fooling me again about updates | 18:10 |
| nander | you too? .. | 18:10 |
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| nander | Besides random shutdowns that are my only complaints with my jolla ;) | 18:10 |
| nander | Did anyone already figure the random shutdowns out? | 18:12 |
| nander | Here they just started | 18:12 |
| nander | A month after updating | 18:12 |
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| dawnbringer | Here they did not... | 18:12 |
| nander | That's what makes me think it's a glitch in hardware | 18:13 |
| nander | Maybe faulty wiring that came loose | 18:13 |
| nander | or is connected, but sometimes not | 18:13 |
| nander | it only shuts down here while not charging and below 50% battery | 18:14 |
| nander | not sure about the latter condition | 18:14 |
| nander | Might be 'only when using non-wifi internet connection' | 18:14 |
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| spider-mario | earlier today, my Jolla said that my account (I don’t know which one) needed to [something] (message truncated) | 19:17 |
| spider-mario | clicking the notification just opened the account panel | 19:17 |
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| spider-mario | I have no idea what it wanted me to do | 19:18 |
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| ajaijjaj | spider-mario: could it be google account? I had similar behavior when I had forgot that I'm using OTP with google | 19:21 |
| ajaijjaj | nevertheless, it's issue that message is truncated | 19:22 |
| ottulo | I've had the problem that after accessing gmail on another device it will stay disconnected on Jolla | 19:23 |
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| ottulo | and I'll have to log in again, but it won't give a proper notification about it either | 19:23 |
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| FireFly | nander: I've yet to experience any random shutdowns, FWIW | 20:28 |
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| FireFly | If you want to compare setups, feel free to ask | 20:28 |
| nander | I have dalvik running | 20:28 |
| FireFly | I think I have, too | 20:28 |
| nander | I have developer mode | 20:29 |
| FireFly | I haven't used an Android app for a while, but I'm sure I've used once since last reboot at least | 20:29 |
| FireFly | I do, too | 20:29 |
| FireFly | I've also disabled tohd.service | 20:29 |
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| nander | I have too | 20:29 |
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| nander | I use 2G and 3G sometimes | 20:29 |
| FireFly | Same here | 20:31 |
| nander | And I also use a WPA enterprise network | 20:31 |
| nander | (Wifi) | 20:31 |
| nander | Which switches accesspoints quite a few times during the day | 20:31 |
| FireFly | Hm, that I do not | 20:31 |
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| nander | The problem persisted when at my parents' though | 20:32 |
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| FireFly | Hehe | 20:32 |
| FireFly | 27 days of uptime on the jolla | 20:32 |
| nander | it was even worse there | 20:32 |
| nander | Mine is 21 hours ;) | 20:32 |
| nander | I was in the cinema yesterday | 20:32 |
| FireFly | Ouch | 20:32 |
| nander | So it's reasonable | 20:32 |
| nander | I also often run at low battery | 20:34 |
| valdur55 | nander: why? You don't need to switch mobile off. just turn "airplane mode" on. | 20:34 |
| nander | Because I'm sometimes too lazy to charge | 20:34 |
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| nander | valdur55 - otherwise I'll start looking at the screen to see the time | 20:34 |
| nander | And that's something I don't want | 20:34 |
| valdur55 | nander: lol :) then turn low power screen off :D | 20:35 |
| * pahartik has 25 days of "uptime" on "Jolla Mobile" device | 20:40 | |
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| mtd | pahartik: wish I knew how you did it. I've got timed, lipstickd, and msyncd eating cpu (each has ~120m of cpu time, uptime <24 hours) :( | 20:56 |
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| mornfall | mtd: uptime doesn't mean no charging | 20:58 |
| mornfall | it means no reboots | 20:58 |
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| mtd | mornfall: yes, I know. Having the UI daemon, the time daemon, and the data sync daemon eating cpu is not consistent with a stable system, thus is not consistent with long uptime. | 20:59 |
| mornfall | mtd: I don't see how is it inconsistent. | 21:00 |
| mtd | mornfall: hence my lament...starting to troll through the logs to see if anything jumps out at me. | 21:00 |
| mtd | mornfall: ok | 21:00 |
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| mornfall | so when do we see an update? :P | 21:06 |
| nander | soon (tm) | 21:07 |
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| mornfall | not soon again :-) | 21:09 |
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| raa79 | tomorrow... in valve time | 21:12 |
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| nander | raa79, at least it isn't EA time | 21:24 |
| nander | With caldav available as a DLC | 21:24 |
| raa79 | and 2$ for every sync | 21:25 |
| nander | and the sync servers go down after a year | 21:26 |
| nander | rendering the device unsyncable | 21:26 |
| pahartik | nander: I do not have any "accounts" defined on it, mostly routing IPv6 between mobile network tunnel and Bluetooth PAN subnet | 21:27 |
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| nander | lol, querty oth for sale ;) | 21:48 |
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| bara | which filesystems on the sd card are supported? | 21:51 |
| dunp | md-crypt support to card or partitions? | 21:53 |
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| dunp | it wold be nice if some "phone number" on sim card is password to crypted volume.. you need pin to open sim.. | 21:55 |
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