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| ggabriel | morning | 08:54 |
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| artemma | Quick Launcher is in Harbour QA for the 3rd day already. *sgh* | 08:57 |
| Pnuu | what does that do? | 08:58 |
| Pnuu | quick launcher, that is | 08:59 |
| artemma | just what you would expect from quick launcher [I think]. A search bar on top a list of apps below. You type a letter or two and start the app you want | 08:59 |
| Pnuu | mkay | 09:00 |
| ggabriel | isn't the quick launcher the 4 icons at the top of the launcher screen? | 09:00 |
| artemma | ggabriel: was not quick enough for me | 09:00 |
| * artemma got four screens of apps by now | 09:00 | |
| artemma | I have Quick Launcher as one of these top four icons now, speeds up things in my case, would be interesting to see if it helps others as I am biased obviously | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | ok, it isn't named quick launcher | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | you refer to an android thing | 09:01 |
| * ggabriel doesn't use android yet | 09:01 | |
| artemma | ? | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | quick launcher=android thing | 09:02 |
| ggabriel | top launcher=the 4 icons in the jolla | 09:02 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: I guess artemma submitted native quicklauncher to harbour | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | aaahhh, that explains it :) | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | still asleep i think | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | sorry :) | 09:07 |
| AL13N_work | damn, i'm not even getting one page of apps | 09:09 |
| AL13N_work | how does he get 4 pages | 09:09 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: I guess you should configure the Internet first | 09:09 |
| Pnuu | I have currently 1,5 pages, but some of those are to be removed | 09:10 |
| ballock | then there's a couple of things you can get :p | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: very funny | 09:10 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: if you don't have internet, you get just 4 apps | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | i am 2 short of a full page | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | but then i don't have android installed | 09:10 |
| ballock | that explains it, I guess | 09:10 |
| AL13N_work | still working on the UI to manage systemd | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_work: do you have random shutdowns, ooi? | 09:11 |
| AL13N_work | nope | 09:11 |
| Pnuu | I'll be removing android asap I complete connectixx :-P | 09:11 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: no random shutdowns, or really any major issues, except the wifi packet loss and duplicated traffic issue | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:12 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: what did you people do? my battery seems to last longer and longer the more i use it ?!?!?11 | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work | i tried getting voip to work with telepathy-rakia en sofia-sip | 09:14 |
| tachikoma | now already at three days andstill not empty | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work | but something DBUS is wrong | 09:14 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | tachikoma: it's our patented technology to run a mobile phone on happiness alone | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: maybe it's just your static charging it | 09:15 |
| TemeV | sailfish seems to be in quite deep sleep when display is off, so maybe it is the secret :) | 09:15 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: anyone busy with voip support? | 09:15 |
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| tachikoma | well, whatever it is - i like it ;) | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: it's a nice problem to have | 09:16 |
| tachikoma | absolutely | 09:16 |
| TemeV | for me it just causes that I don't remember to charge the phone, because I need to do it so rarely | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | https://sailfishos.org/SailfishOS-Apps-Iconstory.pdf | 09:17 |
| artemma | Pnuu, ggabriel: yep, I submitted native quick launcher to harbour. It is able to launch android apps too certainly | 09:17 |
| TemeV | But I've been using my old N9 now for a while, and I really miss the battery life of Jolla | 09:17 |
| AL13N_work | did that guy with the short battery life and his tinfoil'd other half get better battery once he removed his tinfoil? | 09:18 |
| artemma | tachikoma: longer and longer battery life it's a nice side effect of a bug called "not many apps to keep you using them" :) | 09:18 |
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| AL13N_work | if you develop on it, like me, battery life goes down fast | 09:19 |
| AL13N_work | especially if you use wake lock | 09:19 |
| TemeV | you most likely have the display on when developing? | 09:19 |
| * artemma finds browser and facebook and tweetian drain battery rather quickly. Still holds okay though | 09:19 | |
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| AL13N_work | TemeV: not always, there is some funny things when you start an app via ssh and the display is off though | 09:20 |
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| TemeV | yeah, I just figured, that I would like the display to stay on, so that I don't need to wake the phone every now and then to test things. And the display is one of the biggest (or even biggest?) battery consumer there is | 09:22 |
| TemeV | But I haven't done real development for mobile | 09:22 |
| TemeV | just some test things and even then I was annoyed on waking the phone all the time :) | 09:23 |
| * AL13N_work neither | 09:24 | |
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| AL13N_work | or at least not much | 09:25 |
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| tachikoma | artemma: I use it to test my own apps the i currently write, so enough for me to run something on it ;) | 09:27 |
| special | phone on USB, display forced on, a handful of ssh tabs and split windows, and lots of scripts and shell history commands | 09:27 |
| tachikoma | but i just let it lay somewhere and once deployed just test with it, then rinse and repeat | 09:27 |
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| tachikoma | the screen wakeup is not that big of an issue for me | 09:28 |
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| AL13N_work | special: indeed | 09:29 |
| AL13N_work | at one time, i was draining the battery faster than the usb could charge it | 09:29 |
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| AL13N_work | like -20%/hour | 09:30 |
| AL13N_work | can anyone help me out with this: https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/?comment=17854#comment-17854 | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: special: lbt: tbr: ^^ ? | 09:31 |
| tbr | negative power budet is fun | 09:32 |
| tbr | but sadly quite common nowadays, hence high-power chargers... :/ | 09:32 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: provide exact-steps™ to reproduce please | 09:33 |
| special | AL13N_work: not much information there, but broadly: | 09:33 |
| tbr | "something doesn't work" will just net you an answer like "then something is broken" | 09:33 |
| special | there are three components involved; telepathy, voicecall (https://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall), and the phone UI | 09:33 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: you're right | 09:33 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: i was kind of looking at a procedure to do it right | 09:34 |
| special | telepathy-rakia, assuming we have a reasonable version, should be functional if the account is set up properly | 09:34 |
| tbr | e.g. I'd be interested to play with SIP, but totally lack the time to figure things out | 09:34 |
| special | voicecall is mostly generic, but some parts might be written for ofono/telepathy-ring specifically. It's opensource, so easy to figure out | 09:34 |
| zutto | tbr: asterisk shouldnt take too long to set up | 09:35 |
| special | the UI certainly would require changes to enable voip, it wasn't a target for the beginning | 09:35 |
| tbr | zutto: *whooooosh* | 09:35 |
| AL13N_work | pkcon install sofia-sip ; pkcon install telepathy-rakia ; mc-tool add sofiasip/sip name string:account=user@host ; mc-tool update sofiasip/sip/name string:password=passw0rd ; mc-tool request sofiasip/sip/name online ; mc-tool reconnect sofiasip/sip/name | 09:36 |
| AL13N_work | special: tbr: ^^ this is what i did | 09:36 |
| tbr | add to the comment? | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | oh, and "enable" too | 09:37 |
| tbr | did you check if it registers? did you try calling it if it does? | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | i already got an error trying to register | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | that's where i got a DBUS error on "owner" and it failed to proceed | 09:38 |
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| tbr | k | 09:38 |
| tbr | I'll have a look later an run some debug on my crapsterisk side to see if it at least tries to talk | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | added comment | 09:39 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: is this clear enough :-)? | 09:40 |
| MMx | VDVsx: FYI, I am also here in case you want to discuss things that don't need to go into together.j.c | 09:40 |
| tbr | yes, much appreciated. It saved me probably anywhere from 15-60min of figuring this out myself | 09:41 |
| AL13N_work | special: https://together.jolla.com/question/415/sip-voip-native-integration/#comment-17854 <-- i already got stuck here :-) | 09:41 |
| special | AL13N_work: most telepathy CMs can be debugged with something like: killall telepathy-rakia; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all RAKIA_DEBUG=all RAKIA_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-rakia | 09:41 |
| VDVsx | MMx, ok, thanks for the help :) | 09:41 |
| special | that may provide something useful | 09:41 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: heh, well, i was kind of looking at a jolla employee who was working on this, in order to tell me what i did wrong :-) | 09:42 |
| AL13N_work | special: interestingç | 09:42 |
| AL13N_work | special: btw: should this be as nemo, or root? (what dbus does it need to connect to?) | 09:42 |
| special | as nemo | 09:42 |
| special | all on session bus | 09:42 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: given that most if not all of this is open source and should alos apply to nemo... | 09:42 |
| AL13N_work | yup | 09:43 |
| AL13N_work | special: tbr: ok thanks, when i get home tonight, i'll do some more testing | 09:43 |
| AL13N_work | special: though i was unsure about the password | 09:43 |
| AL13N_work | i though some kind of wallet would be required | 09:44 |
| special | nope, that seems correct | 09:44 |
| special | for e.g. XMPP we handle authentication with a separate component, but that's a different case | 09:44 |
| AL13N_work | k | 09:44 |
| AL13N_work | (still some kind of wallet/keychain is preferred, but that's another thing) | 09:45 |
| AL13N_work | special: tbr: since this stuff will be done at some point, i assume we should tag this question with roadmap? | 09:46 |
| Waitee | hmm | 09:46 |
| Waitee | cant use the friends app | 09:46 |
| Waitee | connection error or something | 09:47 |
| Waitee | weird | 09:47 |
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| special | AL13N_work: no | 09:49 |
| special | AL13N_work: roadmap, from my understanding (which may be imperfect), means that we have a plan and schedule for implementing a feature | 09:49 |
| special | AL13N_work: I'm sure it will be done at some point, but for the moment we have no idea when someone will have the time to do it. | 09:50 |
| Pnuu | schedule, that's a dangerous word here ;-D | 09:50 |
| AL13N_work | ah | 09:51 |
| Waitee | okay | 09:51 |
| Waitee | my internet connection just dropped | 09:51 |
| special | it would be interesting to see how much of it works now | 09:51 |
| AL13N_work | yes, this is why i'm checking it out | 09:52 |
| special | I'm probably the one that will end up implementing it someday, unless new blood comes in | 09:54 |
| tbr | also if we (aka the community™) figure things out that makes it easier to implement it for sailors | 09:55 |
| faenil | yeah, the easier it is, the higher the chance that sailors will do it soon :) | 09:56 |
| special | I'd be happy if you proved that it's just a UI problem ;) | 09:56 |
| tbr | guess why I'm pushing this :> | 09:57 |
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| Yaniel | any news on showing event location in calendar app? | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | also the calendar doesn't follow the current date when you open it | 09:58 |
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| Yaniel | yeah that too | 10:01 |
| Yaniel | if you keep the calendar open overnight it won't updatethe view | 10:01 |
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| Yaniel | until you choose "go to today" or leave the view and return to it | 10:02 |
| mcfrisk | soo, together.jolla.com is crashing? Lost my comments at least and now not serving css stuff. | 10:03 |
| Yaniel | not for me | 10:06 |
| Pnuu | works here, too | 10:07 |
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| mcfrisk | css came back but my comment from 2h ago is gone from https://together.jolla.com/question/7129/bug-screen-turns-off-after-a-few-seconds/ | 10:07 |
| ottulo | mcfrisk: it's not under "Load more comments"? | 10:08 |
| Pnuu | that's a known bug, that not all comments are shown | 10:09 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/7534/comments-disappearing-for-no-reason/ | 10:09 |
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| * artemma wants harbour to send him emails when submission status changes. And to have more statuses too. Don't like refreshing the page al the time | 10:10 | |
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| jukkaeklund | artemma, have you wrote that to together? | 10:15 |
| artemma | jukkaeklund: doing it right now actually :) | 10:15 |
| jukkaeklund | ty | 10:15 |
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| artemma | jukkaeklund: https://together.jolla.com/question/17898/harbour-should-send-developer-emails-on-status-change-and-have-more-statuses-too/ | 10:18 |
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| mcfrisk | ottulo: ah, the comment is indeed there in 'load more comments'. css not getting loaded was another glitch then. sorry for the noise. | 10:20 |
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| clau | I see Mitakuuluu is back on track. | 10:31 |
| clau | sync works again in latest version. | 10:31 |
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| Quu | clau: almost | 10:41 |
| Quu | doesnt show names for newly synched numbers | 10:41 |
| Quu | only number + profile pic | 10:41 |
| clau | ah, I see | 10:41 |
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| Quu | atleast thats how it works for me | 10:41 |
| clau | I got the name when I received a message from a new contact (or rather new account on new phone number). This apparently worked even with the older version which couldn't sync at all. | 10:44 |
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| Quu | ok, need to test that :) | 10:45 |
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| metallisto | I always get the notice that a new sailfish os update is available. When i try to install it, it is always the old 1.0.2.5. This happend already several times. Does anyone know what is the problem? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bug | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | in the client | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | we cannot time travel, so it's fixed in an upcoming update | 10:55 |
| clau | and if you could time travel, I'm sure you could think of better things to do instead of just fixing that bug :D. | 10:55 |
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| roboro | just don't kill hitler... | 10:57 |
| yanoo | :D | 10:57 |
| metallisto | Hehe okay. As long my jolla will detect the real update everything is ok ;) | 10:57 |
| roboro | http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/08/wikihistory | 10:58 |
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| Nicd- | killing hitler would lead to red alert | 10:58 |
| clau | roboro, wtf? | 10:58 |
| clau | :D | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | that goes on my reading list.. | 10:59 |
| roboro | clau: read the story at the link... its awesome | 10:59 |
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| CoderCandy | Lol that story is awesome! | 11:09 |
| CoderCandy | Is it a true story? | 11:09 |
| clau | definitely. | 11:11 |
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| roboro | point of order! | 11:14 |
| CoderCandy | Awesome! | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | Where is this time machine thing? I wanna go and kill hitler! | 11:16 |
| clau | Tarantino already did it. In Inglourious Basterds. | 11:17 |
| clau | No time traveling involved though. :) | 11:17 |
| CoderCandy | Btw, where does one go to suggest design changes to sailfish? | 11:17 |
| clau | you should probably ask that in #sailfishos | 11:18 |
| clau | though, many people from there are in here too. | 11:18 |
| CoderCandy | I have some input on the locaton of the backspace button when you dial a phonenumber | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | CoderCandy: you can post on together.jolla.com | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | what do you know, jolla-camera was using 100% cpu | 11:19 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I'll do that when I'm not on my jolla :p | 11:19 |
| roboro | I have a stack of things that I keep thinking of improvements for... but I never get around to posting them :) | 11:19 |
| CoderCandy | Same :p | 11:20 |
| roboro | one thing I'd like to see in all pulley menus is a close app option... sometimes its just a bit of a pain to go back to home and find the cover and close it | 11:20 |
| CoderCandy | roboro, you close app by dragging from top to bottom? | 11:21 |
| roboro | seriously? | 11:22 |
| * roboro whips out his phone to try it out | 11:22 | |
| CoderCandy | Yeah | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | :) | 11:22 |
| roboro | damn... its gonna take me ages to get used to these gestures | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | i envy these moments of enlightment | 11:23 |
| roboro | heh | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | roboro: jolla.com/guide | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | worth a read, it isn't that long | 11:23 |
| CoderCandy | Oooh | 11:23 |
| roboro | mmm I saw that... I tend to skim to quickly | 11:23 |
| * CoderCandy reads | 11:24 | |
| roboro | will set aside some time to give it a thorough read | 11:24 |
| roboro | can you believe that I author for a living?!!! and yet I fall into the same trap... rtfm | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | roboro: the only AI here is tachikoma, the rest are allowed to miss things/make mistakes ;-) | 11:25 |
| CoderCandy | wait, vol up is take picture? :D | 11:25 |
| ballock | Is there some logic as to the shape of app icons? | 11:25 |
| roboro | I saw that | 11:25 |
| ballock | I mean, which edge is rounded? Does it say a thing? | 11:25 |
| suosaaski | So... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=716917638318873 Apparently it is kinda public. Yes, Lastu are making a case for Jolla. | 11:25 |
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| ggabriel | CoderCandy: ;) | 11:25 |
| TemeV | ballock: afaik no | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | suosaaski: is that.. wood? | 11:26 |
| suosaaski | yes. And reindeer skin. | 11:26 |
| CoderCandy | I didn't know this manual existed | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | combine with a jolla and it's the most patriotic finn device combo ever? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:26 |
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| suosaaski | Stskeeps: I have that case for iPhone, I like it. | 11:26 |
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| ballock | I guess I'll need to wait for keyboard other half to see if it fits lastu. | 11:27 |
| suosaaski | Stskeeps: yes, that would be nice. Even nicer if they do incorporate "other half" thought to it, as I have heard they are designing it with Jolla, so wouldn't be surprised if there was some other half thought put into it. | 11:28 |
| roboro | is there a way to disable the display sleep option when you are on a call? I do conf calls on loudspeaker and sometimes I have to turn off mute... double tap, tap... | 11:28 |
| suosaaski | ...kinda repeating myself, but at least I made my point :) | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | roboro: it should only sleep when proximity sensor is covered | 11:28 |
| roboro | mmm that doesn't happen for me | 11:28 |
| tbr | it sleeps when on the table too IIRC | 11:28 |
| roboro | yep | 11:29 |
| roboro | tbr: definitely... I need a way to levitate my phone :) | 11:29 |
| tbr | roboro: cool to 0k and place it on a coil ;) | 11:29 |
| tbr | 0K that is | 11:30 |
| kor | tbr: uh | 11:30 |
| suosaaski | aaaanyway, interested to see what they come up with. | 11:30 |
| roboro | is this a tested and supported feature? | 11:30 |
| kor | not everything will do that | 11:30 |
| roboro | hitting the mute button when the phone is at 0k is dangerous to your health | 11:31 |
| tbr | :) | 11:31 |
| roboro | mmm I also just want to sync address book from google and then disable sync and remove any google relationship... i.e. more of an import than a sync | 11:37 |
| roboro | currently if I disable the google account... all my addresses disappear... | 11:37 |
| tbr | do a vcard export either from google or from the phone? | 11:37 |
| tbr | and then import that | 11:37 |
| roboro | mmm would have been nice to do it in one step :D | 11:38 |
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| roboro | but good point | 11:38 |
| piggz | lo * | 11:38 |
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| roboro | lo piggz | 11:39 |
| CoderCandy | ... the jolla user guide is looooong | 11:40 |
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| CoderCandy | I'll read it when I have more time | 11:40 |
| roboro | CoderCandy: this is my mantra | 11:40 |
| CoderCandy | Hehe | 11:40 |
| CoderCandy | My irc client is acting up | 11:41 |
| CoderCandy | brb | 11:41 |
| CoderCandy | back | 11:41 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm still unable to switch channels | 11:41 |
| CoderCandy | . | 11:41 |
| ln- | CoderCandy: http://www.gamezebo.com/news/2014/01/20/king-has-trademarked-word-candy-and-youre-probably-infringing | 11:41 |
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| CoderCandy | dafuq? | 11:43 |
| anacron | :D | 11:43 |
| CoderCandy | Well, come at me bro, swedish court is relatively sane... | 11:43 |
| clau | riiight. :) | 11:43 |
| clau | well, you did use the word "relatively". at least that. :) | 11:44 |
| CoderCandy | Anyway, do we have a native irc app for jolla yet? | 11:44 |
| CoderCandy | I'm getting sick of andchat | 11:45 |
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| ggabriel | CoderCandy: venemo & friend are working on one | 11:47 |
| CoderCandy | Nice! | 11:48 |
| virtuald | coderlolli(pop) | 11:49 |
| CoderCandy | The future naming scheme for apps, when all the words in the dictionary has been trademarked, keyboard mash | 11:50 |
| CoderCandy | xdhgjgjgfujghhfjjfvv (5 Stars) | 11:50 |
| CoderCandy | hehe | 11:50 |
| zutto | i dont think that it'll go to that anytime soon | 11:51 |
| CoderCandy | CoderPop | 11:51 |
| zutto | most likely will come to multipart names first ;P | 11:51 |
| zutto | name1 name2 name3 | 11:51 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah | 11:51 |
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| CoderCandy | also, stupid train have been standing still for the bettet part of an hour | 11:52 |
| CoderCandy | I'm late as hell | 11:52 |
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| cvp | the the birthdays from calender sdont show me andy informaions on startscreen or Chat Notification screen ? do i have do some settings ? | 11:53 |
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| mornfall | codercandy, communi-sailfish, really cool (irc) | 12:12 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: and I figured out tab completion now, too :D | 12:13 |
| CoderCandy | sweet | 12:14 |
| CoderCandy | How do I get it... | 12:15 |
| mornfall | if you have the SDK, build from github | 12:15 |
| CoderCandy | Dont even have a computer atm... | 12:16 |
| CoderCandy | Can I build it on Jolla? | 12:16 |
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| mornfall | wait, there was a beta rpm somewhere | 12:17 |
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| CoderCandy | Ooh, that'd be nifty | 12:19 |
| CoderCandy | WAIT | 12:19 |
| CoderCandy | I can instalk the sdk on my desktop | 12:19 |
| CoderCandy | by vncing from my jolla | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | what | 12:19 |
| mornfall | that's creepy | 12:19 |
| ballock | any native vnc client? | 12:20 |
| Yaniel | what is wrong with just using the sdk on desktop like sane people and copy rpms over for testing? | 12:20 |
| CoderCandy | I'm on a train atm... | 12:20 |
| Yaniel | well, laptop then | 12:20 |
| CoderCandy | What laptop? | 12:21 |
| CoderCandy | All I currently have is jolla | 12:21 |
| mornfall | CoderCandy: http://paradise.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/harbour-communi-0.1-beta.armv7hl.rpm is the snapshot I run (but you have to trust me, I didn't find any official RPM, can't recall where they were if at all) | 12:21 |
| CoderCandy | Eh, seems easier to trust you than to vnc home and stuff | 12:22 |
| mornfall | also, it's a debug build, but that's what you get for running beta software ;-) | 12:22 |
| CoderCandy | probably beats andchat either way | 12:23 |
| mornfall | I'd hope so :-) | 12:23 |
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| CoderCandy | Look | 12:26 |
| CoderCandy | client works :D | 12:26 |
| CoderCandy | bye bye andchat! | 12:27 |
| CoderCandy | Just in time for me to leave train, brb | 12:27 |
| Morpog_Jolla | kinda old version u got there | 12:29 |
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| CoderCandy | does anyone in here have any experience with eduroam and jolla? I'm trying to get my connman config file to work. | 13:03 |
| Yaniel | just got it to work last week | 13:04 |
| CoderCandy | I just got it to not fail, but now it's stuck on "Connecting..." | 13:04 |
| Yaniel | http://ix.io/a1V here's my /var/lib/connman/wifi-eduroam.conf template | 13:04 |
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| Yaniel | well, langaton-wpa which is the university's own wlan but it uses the same config as eduroam | 13:05 |
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| CoderCandy | okay, where did ya get the crt bundle? | 13:05 |
| Yaniel | on the university's webpage | 13:06 |
| CoderCandy | aaah | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | the wlan settings info page had a link | 13:06 |
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| CoderCandy | YES | 13:07 |
| CoderCandy | I just got connected | 13:07 |
| CoderCandy | I was missing @kth.se for some reason :P | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | the main problem I had was that I had to use user@tut.fi as identity | 13:08 |
| CoderCandy | I thought I added it :P | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | instead of just user | 13:08 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | yup | 13:08 |
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| CoderCandy | Test | 13:09 |
| CoderCandy | Woo, jolla is now using eduroam, and it's working! | 13:09 |
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| * CoderCandy does a little dance | 13:09 | |
| CvP | test | 13:09 |
| Yaniel | test successful | 13:10 |
| CvP | cooool, nice app :) | 13:10 |
| Yaniel | which one? | 13:11 |
| CvP | communi beta :) | 13:11 |
| CvP | love it right now :) | 13:11 |
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| CoderCandy | ooh, yeah | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | WAY better than andchat | 13:13 |
| CvP | its time for a OS Update with create a folder on app screen :) | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | ^ agreed! | 13:13 |
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| Yaniel | still waiting for a couple of calendar updates | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | But well, I understand that the sailfish team have TONNES of work now, so I'm patient :P | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | I'd like calendar to sync calendars that are linked to my google calendar :P | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | Or a way to import ical calendars directly | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | but... I have not seen one yet? | 13:14 |
| CvP | yeah calender need some updates | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | So yeah, people at sailfish have much to do... | 13:15 |
| CvP | hope the irc chat dont take much accu | 13:15 |
| CoderCandy | accu? | 13:15 |
| Yaniel | power, battery | 13:16 |
| Pnuu | charge | 13:16 |
| CoderCandy | Oh | 13:16 |
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| CvP | yeah thx :) | 13:16 |
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| dschoepe | Is there any already packaged version of zsh for sailfish or would I have to compile it myself (and track down all the dependencies)? | 14:09 |
| Yaniel | check mer-tools | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | but don't expect anything | 14:10 |
| Yaniel | according to build.merproject.org there is zsh in there | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | it isn't there... | 14:11 |
| dschoepe | Yaniel: thanks, it seems they have zsh, so I'll try that one first: https://github.com/mer-tools/zsh | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | doh, it is :) | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | ssu er mer-tools | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | pkcon install zsh | 14:11 |
| dschoepe | thanks | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | or was it ssu ar | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: it was ssu ar :) | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | (and with sudo/devel-su) | 14:12 |
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| dschoepe | worked like a charm, thanks guys | 14:18 |
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| * Morpog_Jolla is bored and needs a Sailfishos update to play with :D | 14:35 | |
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| Yaniel | hmm this is interesting | 15:22 |
| Yaniel | I just copied more music to my jolla | 15:22 |
| Yaniel | exactly two albums are mp3 | 15:23 |
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| Yaniel | and what a coincidence: exactly 2 albums' cover art shows up | 15:23 |
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| * artemma would maybe like to switch back to mp3s, but lives fully on spotify for the couple of last years | 15:24 | |
| Milo- | Yaniel I'm guessing you uploaded more than just two albums to your jolla? | 15:24 |
| Yaniel | ~25 | 15:25 |
| Milo- | over MTP? | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | ssh | 15:25 |
| Milo- | hmm | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | well, scp | 15:25 |
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| Milo- | did you restart your media player? | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | yes | 15:25 |
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| Yaniel | I only started it afterwards | 15:25 |
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| Milo- | what are the other albums, if not mp3s? | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | most are aac | 15:26 |
| Milo- | ah. | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | a few are flac | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | all have cover art | 15:26 |
| Milo- | there is a post about this at together | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | either embedded or a file in their respective folder | 15:26 |
| Yaniel | yep | 15:26 |
| Milo- | I have replied to that, but I can't find it anymore :P | 15:27 |
| Milo- | https://together.jolla.com/question/15426/songs-have-various-artists-as-artist this one :) | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | I've seen a closer one | 15:28 |
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| Milo- | mp3 and ogg works just nicely | 15:29 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/4832/tracker-does-not-scan-all-music-albumimages/ here | 15:29 |
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| Milo- | but it shows the album, artist and song names for you? | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | yes | 15:30 |
| Milo- | oh... | 15:31 |
| Milo- | that's odd | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | textual tags are perfectly fine | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | even those containing kanji | 15:31 |
| Milo- | I have four mp3 albums, which have been bought from nokia music store. no album covers on the filesystem, but the player still shows them | 15:31 |
| Milo- | which is nice. | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | they are embedded in the tags | 15:31 |
| Milo- | apparently so. | 15:32 |
| {cms} | i have some albums that don't display art in the media player browser, but do in the cover when it's playing. | 15:32 |
| Yaniel | like all of my album covers save for a couple of flac albums | 15:32 |
| Milo- | don't buy stuff from itunes :) | 15:32 |
| {cms} | I've got about 40GB of music and cover art display seems a bit arbitrary, I haven't discovered a pattern yet. | 15:33 |
| Milo- | but yeah, your issue is other than I thought it was, sorry I couldn't be of any help :) | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | I haven't bought anything from iTunes ^^ | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | but ripped most stuff with it yes | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | I should re-rip everything as flac | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | (mostly because mpd on my desktop, not the jolla :P) | 15:35 |
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| tachikoma | good that i only have untagged mp3s without any images - nothing to be displayed wrong there ;) | 15:44 |
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| faenil | http://i8910tuning.com/2014/01/21/hacking-my-jolla-loudspeaker-hardware-mod/ | 15:47 |
| faenil | just posted on my blog, in case anyone is interested :) | 15:47 |
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| Nicd- | man, three uncontrolled shutdowns just now | 16:32 |
| Nicd- | and two times the phone has been unable to boot after that | 16:32 |
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| Nicd- | also, one time I tapped the screen two times to wake the device and it went straight to my phone app | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | no lock screen | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | that was odd | 16:33 |
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| artemma | Nicd-: lucky you! When jolla enters shutdown cycle for me, it's usually at least half a dozen of shutdowns, usually closer to a dozen | 16:33 |
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| Nicd- | I had 4 or 5 one time | 16:33 |
| faenil | I still can't get even one... | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | that's the most so far | 16:33 |
| artemma | faenil: the secret seems to be not very good 2G (or 3G?) connection and handovers to WiFi and back | 16:34 |
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| Nicd- | artemma: I don't use wifi at all | 16:34 |
| faenil | artemma, then I should get them :/ as I have all those | 16:34 |
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| artemma | almost never happens in stable helsinki downtown for me, very-very often in travel situations in Russia/Ukraine | 16:34 |
| artemma | *might* happen only with tourist-oriented free wifis that you can connect to, but need to agree to something on the login page | 16:35 |
| Nicd- | hmm, here's an app idea | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | autostart apps for jolla | 16:36 |
| dschoepe | What are you guys using for having a synchronised calendar on the phone and PC (preferably without involving proprietary components)? | 16:36 |
| artemma | Nicd-: that's on my list :) | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | so I don't have to start phone, calendar, notes, messages, email and mitakuuluu every time | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | artemma: nice | 16:36 |
| artemma | Nicd-: oh well, not really on the list, but once i was thinking where to go from Quick Launcher and autostart was one such idea | 16:36 |
| PeperJohnny | Nicd-: or restart from last time =) | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | dschoepe: I just use the builtin one way sync with google calendar | 16:37 |
| artemma | Nicd-: of course in theory you don't need to shut your phone down ever ;) | 16:37 |
| artemma | like you know, Symbian, or iPhone | 16:37 |
| Nicd- | yep, but theory isn't currently working | 16:37 |
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| artemma | iPhone can often go for months without reboot just fine | 16:37 |
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| Yaniel | systemd jobs for autostarting apps? | 16:38 |
| artemma | talking about autostart seriously. I was thinking about it, but couldn't figure out a real good use case. Would it be real valuable? As in "I would pay a couple of dollars for it"? | 16:38 |
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| artemma | money right now are not important, but it's a good validator when thinking | 16:39 |
| Nicd- | depends on when they catch this crash bug | 16:39 |
| Nicd- | I don't reboot my phone otherwise | 16:39 |
| artemma | exactly | 16:39 |
| artemma | same were my thoughts. If Jolla crashes less, crash-resistance related utilities will be way less valuable | 16:40 |
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| artemma | though.. with just 1GB or RAM, Jolla will need to actually close the apps | 16:40 |
| artemma | that is unless swap files could be used somehow | 16:40 |
| Yaniel | let's not go there unless necessary | 16:41 |
| artemma | Quick Launcher in in harbour QA for 67 hours by now *sigh* | 16:42 |
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| juergbi | dschoepe: one-way synchronization of contacts and calendar from phone to pc using rsync | 16:51 |
| juergbi | not exactly the perfect solution but at least it's something | 16:51 |
| dschoepe | juergbi: yeah. looking into porting unison for a general synchronisation solution might be worth a shot | 16:51 |
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| Quu | yawn | 17:13 |
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| mornfall | Hmm, is there a Qt equivalent of parseNum that handles locales correctly? | 17:22 |
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| Pnuu | mornfall: try #sailfishos? | 17:22 |
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| pdanek | https://www.blackphone.ch/ | 18:31 |
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| pdanek | In the video they say it will be built securely even on HW side, they mentioned CPU. | 18:32 |
| pdanek | Marketing? | 18:32 |
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| AL13N | pdanek: i wonder where they are gonna find an SoC like that | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | well | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | strictly speaking, maybe a FPGA..? | 18:42 |
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| AL13N | i wonder what they are gonna run... BSD maybe :-) | 18:43 |
| pdanek | Android | 18:43 |
| pdanek | Android ROM called PrivatOS | 18:43 |
| pdanek | and they're marketing it as safest phone device ever built | 18:43 |
| pdanek | or, most secure | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | needs to be open source, all of it | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | including modem binaries, dunno if there are any | 18:44 |
| AL13N | but... it's android | 18:46 |
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| pdanek | AL13N: well AOSP is fully open source, isn't it? Only device drivers are the issue? | 18:47 |
| AL13N | but iow, it's not gonna run maps, or hangouts or any of the closed source google apps, no store and no service either | 18:47 |
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| pdanek | Yea I mean, that's not a part of Android itself anymore. | 18:48 |
| AL13N | well, it does limit the apps, but otoh, those apps aren't safe either | 18:48 |
| pdanek | though they will of course run all of it | 18:48 |
| pdanek | all those apps | 18:48 |
| pdanek | I believe | 18:48 |
| AL13N | that would be very hypochritical | 18:49 |
| pdanek | else nobody will buy their phone | 18:49 |
| AL13N | maybe it'll just only phone and SMS | 18:49 |
| pdanek | :D | 18:49 |
| pdanek | that's not very secure either | 18:49 |
| pdanek | actually it's the opposite :) | 18:49 |
| AL13N | well, they do offer encryption on the phone and SMS | 18:50 |
| AL13N | iirc | 18:50 |
| pdanek | I think the encryption on 2G networks is very weak | 18:51 |
| AL13N | otoh, if they do succeed in having all open source device drivers and all, then i'm tipping my hat | 18:51 |
| AL13N | at least that will help others | 18:53 |
| pdanek | AL13N: Do you change your passwords regularly? | 18:54 |
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| ar | hi. is it possible to turn off vibrations on keyboard on-screen-keyboard touch? i've just played for a few with it, and it felt great and all, except for the vibrations :) | 18:56 |
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| C3 | Hey ar, go to settings. | 19:03 |
| C3 | Check "Sounds and feedback". | 19:04 |
| C3 | And enable / disable vibration when you want. | 19:04 |
| ar | C3: i've unchecked "touch screen vibration" | 19:05 |
| Tegu | try rebooting | 19:05 |
| ar | C3: i don't want to disable vibrations for ringing and everything else. just keyboard | 19:05 |
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| ar | nope, reboot didn't help | 19:06 |
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| ar | (also, the reboot was really fast, especially compared to android or maemo5. i'm impressed) | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | systemd ;) | 19:08 |
| pdanek | AL13N: https://youtu.be/frUvlhO8o8A | 19:09 |
| AL13N | pdanek: no flash | 19:11 |
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| joonahoi | thp: thanks to you, i can't use my phone anymore :/ my wife demands it to play petals while breastfeeding | 19:11 |
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| joonahoi | i actually tried to go over many android games on the tablet but not one of them was good enough | 19:12 |
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| AL13N | lol | 19:14 |
| joonahoi | and we can't replace her xcover with jolla, because i cant afford getting a new one every week ;) | 19:14 |
| pdanek | AL13N: you can play youtube videos in VLC media player, Media -> Open network stream -> insert http link (no https) | 19:15 |
| AL13N | pdanek: probably | 19:15 |
| pdanek | AL13N: also there was plugin to firefox, to open VLC automatically for you | 19:15 |
| dschoepe | How do I add Mer OBS repos such as this one https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?project=home%3Arcolistete ? `ssu ar home:rcolistete' doesn't seem to do the trick, it just makes the repo show up as "disabled" in `ssu lr', with no url. | 19:15 |
| pdanek | AL13N: for sure, it works nicely | 19:16 |
| pdanek | I'm just watching one like that | 19:16 |
| AL13N | pdanek: i'm not missing much, no doubt | 19:16 |
| pdanek | AL13N: Hardware Attacks, Advanced ARM Exploitation, and Android Hacking - In this talk (which in part was delivered at Infiltrate 2013 and NoSuchCon 2013) we will discuss our recent research that is being rolled into our Practical ARM Exploitation course (sold out at Blackhat this year and last) on Linux and Android (for embedded applications and mobile devices). | 19:17 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: you can also just drag the link into an open vlc | 19:17 |
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| pdanek | PeperJohnny: didn't know! | 19:18 |
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| cvp | is it possible to get full read/write access over ftp to the phone ? | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | sftp 'just works' | 20:57 |
| cvp | yeh but not full read/write/delete access right ? | 20:58 |
| slate | right. | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | why not? | 20:58 |
| slate | Did not work when I tried to update some android sys-files | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | those might not be owned by nemo:nemo yes | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | it just might happen that system files are not writable by normal users :D | 20:59 |
| cvp | i try to copy the alien folder (make a backup) but by one file i get a error that cant be copied... but if i try this over Terminal over phone like cp to download folder, this ist working | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | okay that is interesting | 21:01 |
| cvp | i mean copy from phone to PC | 21:01 |
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| gabriel9 | guys can anyone open icon template with inkscape? | 21:05 |
| gabriel9 | i cant see any layers O_o | 21:05 |
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| f00barbaz | cvp: I just used scp to do something similar to that | 21:09 |
| cvp | i use WinSCP too | 21:10 |
| f00barbaz | and you're connecting as nemo? | 21:10 |
| cvp | yes | 21:10 |
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| f00barbaz | ah - you may need to make backup on the phone locally first, then either chmod that or tar/gz up and chmod the archive (or set root p/w and connect as root I guess) | 21:11 |
| cvp | ah ok | 21:13 |
| cvp | tar is a good tip :) | 21:14 |
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| cvp | but how can i set p/w and connect as root? | 21:14 |
| f00barbaz | hmm... does "passwd" after devel-su work? | 21:14 |
| Quu | developer settings-thingie, enable ssh and you can set it | 21:14 |
| f00barbaz | that's nemo's p/w though | 21:15 |
| f00barbaz | not root | 21:15 |
| cvp | yeah but is not work | 21:15 |
| cvp | @quu | 21:15 |
| Quu | hmm yeah okay, i see | 21:15 |
| Quu | dont mind me. :p | 21:15 |
| cvp | cool | 21:16 |
| cvp | work | 21:16 |
| cvp | devel-su + pw .... than passwd , there ask for new UNIX pw ... and than over WinSCP login as root | 21:16 |
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| cvp | so i copy alien folder, hope there copy all | 21:22 |
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| f00barbaz | wait you said WinSCP, did you just copy the files to windows? | 21:25 |
| f00barbaz | not much of a backup as the filesystem change will be lossy | 21:25 |
| cvp | ...opt...alien...system...root...sbin....ueventd cant be open... file/folder not found | 21:25 |
| cvp | yeah right windows | 21:25 |
| f00barbaz | yeah tar'ing it up might be better | 21:26 |
| cvp | or over linux os ? | 21:26 |
| cvp | have linux mint installe | 21:26 |
| cvp | *d | 21:27 |
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| f00barbaz | or that, perhaps | 21:27 |
| cvp | i will try it in next days :) | 21:28 |
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| f00barbaz | "tar czvf alien-bak.tar.gz /opt/alien" as root should do the trick | 21:32 |
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| cvp | thank, its work | 21:41 |
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| cvp | is some one working on a mumble client ? | 21:45 |
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| cvp | f00barbaz: yeah work nice with root. now i can directly edit the video file for camera to change the bitrate... thank you :) | 21:52 |
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| stephg | evening all | 21:54 |
| cvp | o/ | 21:55 |
| stephg | \o/ | 21:56 |
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| faenil | |O| | 21:59 |
| * stephg likes the cut of faenil's jib | 22:01 | |
| faenil | :) | 22:03 |
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| pdanek | How do I list all contacts? | 22:07 |
| pdanek | I can only list by letters. | 22:07 |
| pdanek | How to remove that letter filter? | 22:07 |
| Quu | add A in front of every name. | 22:07 |
| pdanek | :D | 22:08 |
| Quu | not sure if there are any ways to do it (currently) | 22:08 |
| pdanek | I feel that Jolla lacks some very basic features that are even on oldest phones I ever had. | 22:08 |
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| pdanek | I mean, who designed that app? :D | 22:08 |
| keithzg | How are the contacts stored? Maybe you could write a different frontend :P | 22:09 |
| pdanek | It's like house without windows. | 22:09 |
| Quu | im pretty sure they had to leave huge parts of stuff out to polish the UI and getting everything somewhat working | 22:09 |
| pdanek | True | 22:09 |
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| pdanek | but now you just said | 22:09 |
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| kehnoo | or you could favorite all? | 22:09 |
| pdanek | that UI is more important in JOlla than functionality | 22:09 |
| kehnoo | then they show up in a list outside categories | 22:10 |
| pdanek | kehnoo: but that's workaround, like digging holes into house with no windows | 22:10 |
| Quu | pdanek: weeell, they had to get the phone released | 22:10 |
| Quu | like they said | 22:10 |
| Quu | "you have to release at some point" | 22:10 |
| pdanek | I know, but this is like most basic thing :) | 22:10 |
| kehnoo | eh, I just have all the people I actually call as faves, and rest just hanging underneath categories | 22:10 |
| Quu | luckily i dont even call people | 22:11 |
| special | pdanek: out of curiosity, why is the letter grid not sufficient? | 22:11 |
| kehnoo | I mean when I'm looking for someone in the People app I usually remember first letter of name | 22:11 |
| Quu | special: you cant scroll trough every name | 22:11 |
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| Quu | well, easily anyways | 22:11 |
| special | and you do that because.. | 22:12 |
| pdanek | special: if you don't have many contats, like me now, because I lost al my phone numbers, I have 1-2 names under each letter | 22:12 |
| pdanek | special: + sometimes you don't remember how you saved your contact, under which name, you scroll and see | 22:12 |
| Quu | yeah that. | 22:13 |
| Quu | i have some people by irc-nick because i cant remember their names | 22:13 |
| special | pdanek: I don't see there being more than a couple options for the letter. Also, you can pull down for search. | 22:13 |
| pdanek | special: Do you have names sorted by letter in your IRC client, being able to see only one letter group at the time? :) | 22:15 |
| pdanek | It's the same thing. | 22:15 |
| special | actually yes; I don't use the nicklists, I just tab-complete when I need to check a name :p | 22:15 |
| Nicd- | I have a syndrome, I hate lists that have imperfect information. so I fill everything I know and in the correct fields. my itunes library has perfect metadata (which I've gone to some lengths to ensure is correct, including capitalisation) for all the ~400 tracks | 22:15 |
| Nicd- | so I don't have any contacts with just a first or last name :P | 22:16 |
| pdanek | special: then you're special ^^, most people I know have full IM contacts list on side | 22:16 |
| special | anyway, what I'm getting at is that the omission of a straight list of all contacts was a design choice. There are almost always more efficient ways to find what you want. | 22:17 |
| special | and "that's how it is on every other phone" isn't a valid reason to do anything ;) | 22:17 |
| pdanek | special: well, I don't think it's a problem to add icon to letter list, which will represent all | 22:18 |
| pdanek | = done | 22:18 |
| pdanek | all I need :D | 22:18 |
| Yaniel | I wote * for the icon | 22:18 |
| Quu | that would be enough for me too :) | 22:18 |
| pdanek | * is perfect | 22:18 |
| Yaniel | I think it is used widely enough so most people grok it | 22:19 |
| kehnoo | I have people by their Facebook name | 22:19 |
| Yaniel | if they don't, they should when they tap it | 22:19 |
| Yaniel | so... is the tjc post up yet? | 22:20 |
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| pdanek | Yaniel: not sure, I was just looking for someone now and had to click through all letters and started this micro-flame war here :D | 22:21 |
| special | put it on tjc, convince the designers, and we'll do it :p | 22:21 |
| special | design is as much about what you don't do; features for the sake of features aren't necessarily a positive, imo. | 22:22 |
| Yaniel | there could also a pulley menu entry or setting "show letter grid/show full list" | 22:22 |
| pdanek | right | 22:22 |
| Yaniel | +be | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | or it could have two pages | 22:23 |
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| special | and hey, if the letter grid convinces you to improve your contacts' names, is that not a positive? :p | 22:23 |
| * Aard loves the letter grid. but then again, if I asked someone to enter his phone number and noticed later he'd only put a surname or first name I'd delete it :p | 22:24 | |
| Yaniel | OTOH a really good search function is likely better | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | one that searches by first name, last name and nickname if specified | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | possibly email as well | 22:24 |
| special | Yaniel: I believe the search does all of this now | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | maybe show only the one attribute that matches? | 22:25 |
| Yaniel | or at least show it first | 22:25 |
| special | yeah, it only shows the display label, but it does search nickname and email | 22:25 |
| Yaniel | nickname does not seem to work | 22:25 |
| Quu | nickname works for me | 22:26 |
| Quu | atleast on 3 contacts | 22:26 |
| Yaniel | or it works | 22:26 |
| Yaniel | hmm | 22:26 |
| Yaniel | it works for one contact but not another | 22:26 |
| pdanek | for me every search is pain => virtual. keyboard :D | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | like works for John "foo" Smith | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | but not Mike "mikz" Smith | 22:28 |
| Nicd- | dammit | 22:28 |
| Nicd- | phone shut down again | 22:28 |
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| Nicd- | this is getting annoying | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | wtf are you doing O.o | 22:28 |
| Nicd- | I have the random shutdown bug | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | mine has not shut down on its own a single time unless it ran out of battery | 22:29 |
| Nicd- | it shuts down often when I use it | 22:29 |
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| Nicd- | this time I closed the settings app and was about to tap on the store | 22:29 |
| AL13N | Nicd-: do you have android installed, or have tinfoil? | 22:30 |
| Nicd- | android installed, tohd masked | 22:30 |
| Quu | Nicd-: 0 shutdowns in last ~5 days | 22:30 |
| Quu | 4 days uptime, woo | 22:30 |
| AL13N | 0 shutdowns since i got it | 22:30 |
| AL13N | except for the update and some kind of sip voip dialer thing i was checking | 22:31 |
| Nicd- | did it again | 22:31 |
| Nicd- | while I was scrolling | 22:31 |
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| dschoepe | accidentally trying to rsync /sys over ssh also makes the phone restart for some reason. I wonder if that's exploitable.. | 22:35 |
| petantik | dschoepe: /sys is not a real file system. | 22:35 |
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| dschoepe | petantik: I know, but trying that as a normal user shouldn't cause a reboot | 22:36 |
| petantik | dschoepe: true. maybe there's a permissions problem | 22:36 |
| dschoepe | yeah, I get a lot of permission errors and "no data available" errors when I try | 22:37 |
| slate | Nicd-: try knocking it gently to a table etc. | 22:38 |
| dschoepe | also happens when doing that locally without ssh, btw. | 22:39 |
| slate | Does it shut down then | 22:39 |
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| petantik | dschoepe: what direction are you rsyncing? from /sys -> whereever? | 22:39 |
| dschoepe | petantik: yeah | 22:39 |
| dschoepe | well, it's not something one should do anyway, but I'm curious about why it's happening anyway :) | 22:40 |
| petantik | dschoepe: I wonder if trying to do a cp -R would cause the same result. | 22:40 |
| Nicd- | slate: I don't want to do that :( also then it would shut down all the time. just now I was gently scrolling the screen and it shut down | 22:40 |
| dschoepe | I'll try to track it down | 22:40 |
| Nicd- | slate: if it was physical it would shut down in my pocket all the time but it has not done that once, so I don't think it's that | 22:40 |
| slate | Nicd-: why not? You dont need to smack it with a bloody hammer | 22:40 |
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| Yaniel | I'd clean the hammer first | 22:41 |
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| Nicd- | slate: I can hit the back side or the display hard with my fingers and nothing | 22:42 |
| slate | random shutdowns while using are quite common with nokia phones which have removable batteries. My Jolla is working just fine so I cant complete this fine piece of test. | 22:42 |
| slate | :) | 22:42 |
| slate | Nicd-: okay. | 22:42 |
| slate | There are also other methods to test for a physical failure, but they arent for public. :) | 22:43 |
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| Nicd- | I still don't think it's physical | 22:45 |
| Nicd- | as it doesn't shut down in my pocket | 22:45 |
| Yaniel | have you tried unmasking tohd.service? | 22:45 |
| Quu | i have | 22:45 |
| dschoepe | petantik: hm, doesn't seem to happen with cp, then it just hangs at some point. might be the files are copied in a different order though and the responsible file isn't touched before something blocks | 22:45 |
| Quu | tried everything | 22:45 |
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| Quu | nothing helped, it just stopped magically | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | I don't know what exactly masking does | 22:46 |
| Quu | removes symlink from module | 22:46 |
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| Quu | so it doesnt load at startup | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | does it prevent the service from starting in the first place or just tell it to kill itself immediately | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | the same as disable? | 22:46 |
| slate | But you think it could cause a shutdown on some random devices? I dont. | 22:46 |
| Quu | well | 22:46 |
| Quu | disable kills it | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | so does stop | 22:46 |
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| Yaniel | Nicd-: do you have many android apps that you actually use? | 22:48 |
| Yaniel | because the only android app I ever use is steam | 22:48 |
| Quu | its not about android support | 22:48 |
| Yaniel | (and then there is the occasional misclick that starts yandex.store) | 22:48 |
| Quu | some people says they havent installed it and still having shutdowns | 22:48 |
| Yaniel | okay | 22:49 |
| Quu | its just something totally random :) | 22:49 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: reddit, google+, bad piggies, youtube, s-mobiili | 22:49 |
| Quu | probably related to kernel/battery and moon phase | 22:49 |
| Nicd- | and angry birds spac | 22:49 |
| Nicd- | space* | 22:50 |
| Yaniel | google+ so you have installed google services? | 22:50 |
| Nicd- | yes | 22:50 |
| Yaniel | Quu: moon phase sounds plausible | 22:51 |
| Yaniel | but why doesn't mine shutdown then | 22:51 |
| Yaniel | unless I have some weird shifting phase offset there | 22:51 |
| Quu | because it doesnt match your horoscope + blood type + shoe size | 22:51 |
| Yaniel | oh right, the shoe size | 22:52 |
| Yaniel | + I don't even know my blood type | 22:52 |
| Quu | i have been trying everything since 25.12. | 22:52 |
| Quu | every possible setting and combination of settings | 22:53 |
| Quu | and it just randomly stopped happening ~6 days ago | 22:53 |
| Quu | and i didnt change any setting in past 2 days back then | 22:53 |
| slate | placebo | 22:53 |
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| Claudy | meow | 22:57 |
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| Claudy | so... | 22:58 |
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| Claudy | since i just got my new phone for a few hours; i was wondering; what is causing the store error when i change TOH ?, and more importantly; how can i fix it? | 23:00 |
| Yaniel | Claudy: have you logged in to your jolla account on the phone yet? | 23:00 |
| Claudy | logging in as in: accessing the app store ? or broader than that ? | 23:00 |
| Claudy | (with said jolla acct.) | 23:01 |
| Yaniel | when you first boot the device it prompts you for jolla account + password | 23:01 |
| Claudy | yeah, i did that | 23:01 |
| Yaniel | if you skipped that you can log in later via Settings -> Accounts -> Add account -> Jolla | 23:01 |
| Claudy | i had no computer with me when i first booted it though, so i had to do it at home, which i did | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | that does not matter | 23:02 |
| Quu | you also need sim-card or store will give errors | 23:02 |
| Claudy | ugh | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | really? | 23:02 |
| Claudy | i'll need to cut my simcard then | 23:02 |
| Quu | thats what people been sayin | 23:02 |
| Claudy | or can i use an old card | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | hmm well I immediately put the sim in so I have no idea about that | 23:03 |
| Claudy | as i should have an old sim around somewhere | 23:03 |
| Claudy | i still need to pluck my last important stuff from my old device; mainly my 2 step auth | 23:03 |
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| Yaniel | anyway once you get store opened you should update :) | 23:04 |
| Claudy | :3 | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | and don't touch the "enable developer updates" button in settings | 23:05 |
| Quu | yeah, get the OS updates first before doing other stuff | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | because that would end the world | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | (and kill lots of kittens) | 23:05 |
| Claudy | heh | 23:05 |
| Claudy | i got version 1.0.0.5 here | 23:05 |
| Quu | or atleast enable developer-mode before doing other stuff | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | yes that is the version the phone was first released with | 23:06 |
| Quu | so you can fix stuff bit easier :p | 23:06 |
| Claudy | heh | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | the ccurrent version is 1.0.2.5 | 23:06 |
| Claudy | hmmm | 23:06 |
| Quu | eg. updating apps before OS update kills the store | 23:07 |
| Claudy | derp | 23:07 |
| Quu | and you cant install OS updates because store wont work | 23:07 |
| Quu | and you cant fix that if you dont have dev-mode enabled | 23:07 |
| Quu | and you cant enable that because store is not working. | 23:07 |
| Claudy | foof | 23:08 |
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| * Claudy does a factory reset of her device | 23:08 | |
| Claudy | >.> | 23:08 |
| Yaniel | you ccan still do a factory reset, no? | 23:08 |
| Quu | yeah, thats the only option | 23:08 |
| Yaniel | since that just restores a fs snapshot | 23:08 |
| Claudy | i already dicked around with it a bit, xD | 23:09 |
| Claudy | though, -.- | 23:09 |
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| Claudy | i'm already in love with my jolla | 23:10 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 23:10 |
| Yaniel | I forgot how to use my N8 during one evening | 23:10 |
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| Yaniel | and I didn't even really use the jolla because I was watching movies with my flatmate and his friend | 23:10 |
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| Claudy | hehehehe | 23:11 |
| Claudy | i've been disappointed with my old phone ever since the first half year, i think | 23:12 |
| Yaniel | next morning when I tried to check something on the N8 I spent a good while trying to doubletap the screen | 23:12 |
| Claudy | xD | 23:13 |
| Claudy | oh yeppers | 23:13 |
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| Claudy | damn | 23:16 |
| Claudy | now it works :3 | 23:16 |
| Yaniel | great | 23:16 |
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| Claudy | the irony is; that now when i get my old phone | 23:17 |
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| Claudy | i really feel like 4 inches is quite small | 23:17 |
| Quu | thats what she said. | 23:17 |
| Claudy | i knew it :C | 23:17 |
| Quu | sleep -> | 23:17 |
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| Claudy | sleep tied | 23:18 |
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| Yaniel | quoting Quu: "that's what she said" | 23:19 |
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| petantik | dschoepe: very true, i don't know how rsync enumerates files. | 23:21 |
| petantik | dschoepe: is there not an option to display progress per file? | 23:21 |
| dschoepe | petantik: there is. apparently I was wrong before, it happens with cp as well (or now it changed the order). I'm trying it with 0.1s in between each copy to see if it's a race condition kind of thing now | 23:22 |
| dschoepe | petantik: for some reason it doesn't always happen on the same file | 23:22 |
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| Claudy | oh wow | 23:30 |
| Claudy | the other half works now :o | 23:30 |
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| petantik | dschoepe: I was wondering if it was hitting some opened file limit -shrug- | 23:40 |
| petantik | g'night. | 23:40 |
| dschoepe | good night | 23:40 |
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| Claudy | hmmmm | 23:54 |
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