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| bennypr0fane | hello, does anyone happen to have a fastmail account? or else, have you experienced scrolling issues in Sailbro on specific sites, where you can't scroll up or down? | 01:34 |
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| bennypr0fane | I'd like to find out whether it's actually a problem specific to that webmail site or there's the same thing going on in others | 01:35 |
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| bennypr0fane | oooh, it's getting better | 02:04 |
| bennypr0fane | now scrolling works, but links don't | 02:04 |
| bennypr0fane | it's not reacting to any taps | 02:04 |
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| TSCHAKMac | how can I tell media player to re-scan all the music? | 03:26 |
| TSCHAKMac | only some of my mp3 and ogg media are being picked up | 03:26 |
| TSCHAKMac | very strange | 03:26 |
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| TSCHAKMac | (on my sdcard) | 03:27 |
| * TSCHAKMac had to symlink my music sdcard into the Music folder on my phone…very strange | 03:29 | |
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| Quu | TSCHAKMac: probably not configured to search the sdcard music folder. and probably not easy way to change the confs | 07:33 |
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| thedead1440__ | Just out of curiosity isn't there something like user-dirs.conf somewhere in /home/nemo/ for users to put the dirs for tracker to index? | 07:39 |
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| Quu | maybe, havent checked | 07:40 |
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| * thedead1440__ has no Jolla so can't check... | 07:45 | |
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| anacron | would be nice to know, I just had to symlink my pictures folder so android apps can find it | 07:54 |
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| Namer | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=140667361 | 08:19 |
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| tachikoma | moin | 08:22 |
| tachikoma | i love my battery runtime on jolla | 08:22 |
| Morpog_Jolla | while i love it, i haze it that i get no messages or notifications | 08:23 |
| tachikoma | charged on friday to 100% went home, used it for listening to music, occasionally googling something, a few phone calls. Now on monday morning it's still at 21% battery charge | 08:23 |
| Morpog_Jolla | or hoirs later | 08:23 |
| Morpog_Jolla | hours | 08:23 |
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| tachikoma | well i see a lot of issues, but it's working good enough for me right now and I assume these problems to be resolved over time | 08:24 |
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| tachikoma | btw. has anyone else the problem with the jolla store not working anymore after the last update? | 08:41 |
| ln- | when was the last update? | 08:41 |
| tachikoma | some time ago, i just did not start the shop app rcently until on this weekend | 08:43 |
| tachikoma | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/27/sailfish-os-2nd-full-update-1-0-2-5/ | 08:44 |
| tachikoma | i think it's this one | 08:44 |
| Plnt | tachikoma: there are workarounds for that if you have developer mode enabled | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | hehe, I check the store for new apps every day :P | 08:44 |
| tachikoma | Plnt: yeah, i know, using pkcon / zypper works fine :) | 08:44 |
| Plnt | ah :) | 08:44 |
| tachikoma | thats also why i did not realize earlier it's broken ;) | 08:45 |
| Plnt | :)) | 08:45 |
| tachikoma | Plnt: are you from cz? | 08:45 |
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| Plnt | tachikoma: yep | 08:45 |
| * tachikoma <- chuller ;) | 08:46 | |
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| ggabriel | hi there | 08:49 |
| mornfall | hah, cz... | 08:49 |
| mornfall | I knew an rplnt in .cz once :p | 08:50 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 09:02 |
| Waitee | seems my windows doesnt find jolla for some reason through usb | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | what do you want to try to do? MTP or USB networking? | 09:04 |
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| Waitee | Stskeeps: just to sync my photos to my pc | 09:07 |
| Waitee | running win8 | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | shooould work | 09:08 |
| Waitee | yeah i know | 09:08 |
| Waitee | it did a couple of weeks ago when i last tried | 09:08 |
| Waitee | now it says connected and sync etc | 09:09 |
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| Waitee | and a couple of seconds after that "charging" | 09:09 |
| Waitee | hmm | 09:09 |
| Waitee | gotta try another usb port | 09:09 |
| Waitee | nope | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | usb 2.0 or 3.0 ports? | 09:11 |
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| Waitee | tried both | 09:11 |
| Waitee | just charging | 09:11 |
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| Waitee | any ideas? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | check usb mode in settings | 09:17 |
| Waitee | always ask | 09:18 |
| Waitee | when i connect i choose pc connection | 09:18 |
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| Waitee | never mind | 09:22 |
| Waitee | lecture in half an hour -> | 09:22 |
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| mornfall | Hmm. Is Harbour QA outsourced? | 10:06 |
| pdanek | mornfall: y, to India | 10:08 |
| mornfall | I mean more like Tieto. | 10:08 |
| pdanek | :) jk | 10:08 |
| mornfall | Figures. | 10:08 |
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| mornfall | Well, my approval was signed by someone who appears to work for Tieto on mobile phone QA, coincidentally in my country. | 10:09 |
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| Dima^ | god.. I've reseted my jolla. And now it shows me that 1.0.2.5 update available, but I can't update | 10:27 |
| HtheB | Jonni: hi | 10:27 |
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| Dima^ | Selecting "Update device" doesn't do anything | 10:28 |
| vesqu_ | and you are connected to wlan? | 10:29 |
| tbr | Dima^: what is the version shown in settings? | 10:29 |
| tbr | Dima^: how much free disk space does settings show? | 10:30 |
| Dima^ | 1.0.0.5 | 10:30 |
| Dima^ | 13GB free | 10:30 |
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| tbr | ok, then just make sure your network connection is good | 10:30 |
| Dima^ | it is | 10:30 |
| tbr | your jolla account is enabled? | 10:30 |
| Dima^ | yes | 10:30 |
| tbr | is developer mode on? | 10:34 |
| Dima^ | off | 10:34 |
| tbr | try switching it on | 10:34 |
| Dima^ | ok | 10:34 |
| Dima^ | still no luck | 10:36 |
| tbr | is developer mode on? | 10:37 |
| leinir | hmm... ok, so does anybody but me use their jolla to stream music while the device is connected to a bluetooth speaker/headset? | 10:38 |
| leinir | because i've found that if i do that over wifi, it keeps dropping the stream... which doesn't happen on mobile data | 10:38 |
| leinir | so, bus bandwidth issue? | 10:38 |
| tbr | I have an A2DP headset, but rarely do so | 10:38 |
| Dima^ | dev mod is on | 10:38 |
| tbr | sounds like a problem in BT-wifi-coexistence | 10:39 |
| tbr | Dima^: ok, reboot device, connect by USB, chose developer mode, ssh into the device | 10:39 |
| Dima^ | will try this after couple hour, have to go now | 10:40 |
| leinir | yeah... which is just slightly disappointing, given that's one of my primary use cases - do it every morning when i have a shower ;) | 10:40 |
| leinir | oh well, at least i have unlimited data, so it's not a massive issue, really :) | 10:40 |
| tbr | I have a similar problem on my Nexus7-2013. The audio is all choppy unless I switch to the cellular modem | 10:41 |
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| till | leinir I have a bluetooth headset and the connection drops regularly during a call | 10:42 |
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| tbr | that never happens to me | 10:42 |
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| ballock | seems that calls to use a different range than the bt/wifi shared 2.4GHz | 10:43 |
| ballock | Does the wifi in Jolla support 5GHz for wifi? | 10:44 |
| till | I'm using a plantronics ml 20 | 10:44 |
| till | but it works fine with my other phones (symbian and blackberry) | 10:44 |
| vesqu_ | if can change channel by your wifi AP thats maybe do something | 10:44 |
| tbr | ballock: no, only 13cm band | 10:45 |
| tbr | bt uses hopping, so it shouldn't be a problem, but I don't remember if there are channels that don't overlap with BT | 10:45 |
| vesqu_ | no same ara both | 10:50 |
| vesqu_ | but if problem occurs morning, do not use microwave same time :) | 10:50 |
| tbr | yeah, µ~ ovens are a terrific source of high power wide band noise on 13cm | 10:52 |
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| ccha4 | Is it possible to change android sound volume ? | 10:58 |
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| ccha4 | right now it's pretty low | 11:01 |
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| narchie | the more I use my phone the more I find odd bugs | 11:23 |
| narchie | for instance the camera won't start suddenly | 11:23 |
| AL13N_work | goddamn bastards | 11:23 |
| narchie | exactly | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | my phone provider closed off my account and freed up my number | 11:24 |
| Pnuu | if you have dev mode enabled, you can get hints from the logs | 11:24 |
| Pnuu | AL13N_work: well that's nice :-P | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | now, i've lost 20EUR + my number | 11:24 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: wha, didn't pay them for like 6 months? | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 11:24 |
| AL13N_work | since my phone broke, i still got some money left | 11:25 |
| AL13N_work | without any sort of notification whatsoever | 11:25 |
| narchie | lets see | 11:25 |
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| narchie | something wrong with the launcher | 11:26 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: in other words, the dialer not working is not jolla fault, it's the provider | 11:27 |
| narchie | oh well | 11:29 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: alterego: ^^ so no need to look into this any further (except for the unknown SS message) | 11:31 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: nice providers you have over there :) | 11:31 |
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| Venemo | morning | 12:04 |
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| stephg | morning | 12:08 |
| stephg | well afternoon | 12:09 |
| ballock | 'cause nobody is mourning in the afternoon... | 12:09 |
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| AL13N_lappy | anyone else want openpvn systemd service? https://together.jolla.com/question/17465/i-want-an-openvpn-systemd-service/ | 12:23 |
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| flux | related, I just put these here: http://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla/openvpn/ (program to reload openvpn when a link comes up and some unit files) | 12:36 |
| flux | otherwise openvpn can be quite annoying when switching from 3g to wlan and vice versa :) | 12:36 |
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| AL13N_work | flux: since i already have the patch, you can just rpm-rebuild that and install it :-) | 12:47 |
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| AL13N_work | btw: if you use UDP, it doesn't really matter what the gateway is and it'll just reconnect | 12:48 |
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| flux | hmm, didn't use to be the case before, I should try again :) | 12:49 |
| flux | (I probably didn't even try with Jolla, but with N900, which probably had different networking rules) | 12:49 |
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| flux | or maybe I did use TCP that day.. | 12:50 |
| flux | al13n_work, but that can only work to one direction or depends on having keepalives | 12:50 |
| flux | if you have nothing to say to the peer then you won't hear what the peer says | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | my openvpn has keepalives | 12:52 |
| flux | sure, but if you have keepalives often enough for the transition to be fluent, you are killing the battery | 12:52 |
| flux | iirc I have 5 minute keepalives | 12:52 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 12:53 |
| AL13N_work | but keepalive isn't all that big, right? | 12:53 |
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| AL13N_work | it's not much different then just pining? | 12:53 |
| AL13N_work | *pinging? | 12:53 |
| flux | yeah, it's basically just pinging | 12:54 |
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| flux | but if you wanted to have such a fluent transition as an actual notification can give you, you would need to ping every minute.. | 12:54 |
| AL13N_work | besides, you're not gonna have openvpn tunnels on at all times | 12:54 |
| flux | I dare claim it will kiill your battery :) | 12:54 |
| flux | I do have my openvpn open at all times | 12:54 |
| flux | well, barring some power saving modes of jolla.. | 12:54 |
| dschoepe | My wifi passphrase is too long to input before my jolla scans for available networks again. is there some way to add a network from the terminal (ssh via USB works)? | 12:54 |
| AL13N_work | you can edit the connman profiles | 12:56 |
| flux | in principle it's nice to have it open at all times. for example I was able to use n900's openvpn over 3g for establishing that indeed, I had forgotten the mobile to the car :) (ssh in, some python, retrieve gps coordinates) | 12:56 |
| flux | (but it doesn't seem like this would work for jolla, for some reason it doesn't always react to 3g/wlan before I hit the power button and get the lock screen) | 12:56 |
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| narchie | this just in | 13:00 |
| narchie | system update available | 13:00 |
| narchie | ... or is 1025 bugging me agin | 13:00 |
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| narchie | it is /_\ | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | :( | 13:00 |
| narchie | much sad | 13:01 |
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| Dima^ | allright.. | 13:35 |
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| Dima^ | lets find out why my jolla wont update to 1.0.2.5 | 13:36 |
| Dima^ | any advices? | 13:36 |
| supauli | you are not signed in to jolla account? | 13:36 |
| Dima^ | yes | 13:36 |
| Dima^ | also seems that Jolla Store wont open | 13:37 |
| Dima^ | something wrong in repositories? | 13:37 |
| supauli | <- dont have phone in hand, maybe somebody other can confirm if the store works for them | 13:38 |
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| joonahoi | it works | 13:39 |
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| vesqu_ | check ssu domain | 13:40 |
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| Dima^ | sales | 13:43 |
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| osaton | Dima^, if i remember correctly that happens if you update some of the essentials (clock, clendar etc) and close store before updating to 1.0.2.5. | 13:49 |
| Dima^ | osaton: I found with "ssu s" command that release is actually 1.0.2.5 | 13:49 |
| Dima^ | running now "pkcon refresh" | 13:50 |
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| tbr | try 'version --dup' | 13:50 |
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| tbr | that should take care of any outstanding updates | 13:50 |
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| Dima^ | this seems todo the same thing as "pkcon refresh" | 13:51 |
| tbr | yes, it first does a refresh | 13:52 |
| tbr | but then it takes care of upgrades | 13:52 |
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| Dima^ | ok | 13:52 |
| Dima^ | lets wait again then | 13:52 |
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| Dima^ | tbr: version --dup did not help | 14:46 |
| Dima^ | rebooted, but there is still 1.0.0.5 | 14:46 |
| Dima^ | in About product | 14:46 |
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| tbr | did you see any error messages? | 14:54 |
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| artemma | two days since Quick Launcher was submitted to harbour.. waiting.. | 15:11 |
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| flux | has anyone packages lighttpd for jolla yet? | 15:16 |
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| Dima^ | tbr: none | 15:21 |
| tbr | Dima^: no idea then, maybe sailors can help | 15:22 |
| Dima^ | Jolla Store wont run also | 15:22 |
| tbr | flux: chances might be better on #sailfishos. Is there a RPM spec for it already in any distro by chance? | 15:22 |
| Dima^ | it shuts every time when I try to open it | 15:23 |
| tbr | Dima^: might make sense to just do another factory reset? | 15:23 |
| tbr | and then don't install any apps from store, just do the upgrades | 15:23 |
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| flux | tbr, I imagine there would be | 15:24 |
| Pnuu | Dima^: did you update any apps before trying the upgrade? | 15:24 |
| Pnuu | or, did you enable the developer updates? | 15:24 |
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| tbr | flux: looks like it was once built against nemo: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=lighttpd&project=home%3Aaard%3Amerde | 15:25 |
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| * Aard slaps tbr | 15:26 | |
| tbr | hihi | 15:26 |
| tbr | yes, your home repo | 15:26 |
| Dima^ | Pnuu: I've just installed app that jolla offers me while settin up accounts | 15:26 |
| Dima^ | after this notifiction about update came | 15:27 |
| artemma | slaps.. heh, where are good old times with the throut? And other scripts too | 15:27 |
| Dima^ | Pnuu: nope, no dev updates | 15:27 |
| Dima^ | current domain is Sales | 15:28 |
| Pnuu | great | 15:28 |
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| Pnuu | just a sec, I'm diggin together | 15:28 |
| tbr | artemma: they stay on quakenet I hear, and that's why I don't connect there. | 15:28 |
| Dima^ | Why in "About product" there is 1.0.0.5 and in "ssu s" Release: 1.0.2.5 | 15:29 |
| Aard | probbaly should find time to get that building again | 15:29 |
| Aard | originally that was packaged for meego :) | 15:29 |
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| Pnuu | Dima^: check if "pkmon" shows something being downloaded | 15:30 |
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| Pnuu | Dima^: if not, maybe this will help: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-crashes-unable-to-update-system/#post-id-3855 | 15:31 |
| artemma | Harbour tells there are 10 apps submitted a day. Is testing procedure that long that it makes for 3+ days queues? :/ | 15:32 |
| artemma | just wondering, really | 15:32 |
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| Aard | artemma: limited test resources + trying to take testing at least somewhat serious | 15:33 |
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| artemma | Aard: as far as I remember the queuing theory if inflow stays relatively constant and task length too, it means that you are actually testing each app for a couple of days | 15:34 |
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| artemma | interesting | 15:34 |
| Venemo_j | hey | 15:34 |
| Dima^ | Pnuu: let's try | 15:35 |
| Aard | artemma: the testers can do 'call backs' to developers in unclear cases before deciding to reject or not, that takes a bit time | 15:35 |
| TemeV | or maybe they are trying to automate the testing http://xkcd.com/1319/ | 15:35 |
| TemeV | :) | 15:35 |
| flux | tbr, thanks, I'll take a look! | 15:37 |
| Dima^ | Pnuu: omg, something happens :D | 15:37 |
| tbr | flux: basically you'd fork that into your OBS home project and build against sailfish, then resolve/track down all dependencies | 15:38 |
| Dima^ | downloading an update | 15:38 |
| Pnuu | Dima^: yay :-) | 15:38 |
| artemma | Aard: one thing I noticed about Apple app store is that [almost] every next review seems to get faster. It feels like the developers/apps get some sort of "trust rating" and then routine upgrades for trusted apps get only minimal just-in-case review | 15:39 |
| artemma | Aard: just sharing | 15:39 |
| Venemo_j | btw, what's up with USB hostmode on the jolla? | 15:41 |
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| roboro | talking of USB... can you use the USB port to connect other USB devices to the jolla? | 15:45 |
| Eztran | That's pretty much the same question, surely? | 15:46 |
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| roboro | mmm possibly... I thought that Venemo_j might have been referring to something else :) | 15:47 |
| Dima^ | allright, now there is 1.0.2.5 and Store working also | 15:50 |
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| Pnuu | Dima^: great :-) | 15:52 |
| Dima^ | thanks, pnuu | 15:52 |
| Pnuu | no prob | 15:52 |
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| Pnuu | I've pasted that same link roughly 50 times.. ;-D | 15:53 |
| Dima^ | :D | 15:57 |
| Venemo_j | roboro, Eztran, yep, that's my question too ;) | 15:58 |
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| Eztran | It's a pretty interesting one. Everyone was speculating about hostmode before the release, then everything went quiet when people got their devices :) | 15:59 |
| mornfall | right, what's the deal with hostmode? :) | 16:00 |
| Pnuu | external drives? | 16:00 |
| mornfall | well, I mean it'd be useful, but I hear that the HW cannot do hostmode? | 16:01 |
| Venemo_j | like, you connect a pendrive to your phone, or a printer, etc | 16:01 |
| Venemo_j | the HW doesn't do USB OTG (confirmed), but not sure about hostmode | 16:01 |
| Azog | is there a way to see a list of all new packages in the store, maybe by date? | 16:02 |
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| flux | azog, not yet, but it's been wished at together | 16:12 |
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| tbr | flux: if you need help, let me know | 16:15 |
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| mornfall | Venemo: by doesn't do OTG you mean it won't do any auto-sensing? | 16:27 |
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| Venemo | mornfall: no, I mean the hw doesn't support OTG | 16:29 |
| mornfall | so what *is* OTG? :) | 16:29 |
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| Eztran | mornfall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go | 16:30 |
| Venemo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_OTG | 16:30 |
| Venemo | https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/ | 16:30 |
| Eztran | Heh, woops. | 16:30 |
| Venemo | Eztran: you beat me | 16:30 |
| mornfall | I have that page open, and it's not clear to me what's the difference between otg and hostmode, other than the usb controller figuring out to switch into hostmode automatically. | 16:31 |
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| mornfall | Obviously, the connector is not micro-AB. | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | mornfall: basically OTG means (roughly) that the device can decide if it wants to be master or slave, depending on what you connected it to | 16:33 |
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| mornfall | Venemo: that's a long way to say "yes" on my original question (auto-sensing) :D | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | mornfall: example: N900 hardware didn't support USB OTG; however it could be hacked to act as a USB host. but when host mode was enabled it could not act as a USB peripherial, just as a master | 16:35 |
| mornfall | (and even then, auto-sensing is really implemented by using a micro-AB connector and detecting whether A or B cable end is plugged in) | 16:35 |
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| mornfall | Apparently, OTG also requires the OTG host to provide power on the bus, which I guess the Jolla can't do. | 16:36 |
| Eztran | Yup. | 16:37 |
| mornfall | So maybe someone should explain that on together, re. why OTG is not possible. | 16:37 |
| mornfall | :-) | 16:37 |
| Eztran | The first answer kinda does. Sort of... | 16:38 |
| Venemo | because the hw doesn't support it | 16:38 |
| mornfall | It's obviously not clear what OTG actually means. :-) | 16:39 |
| mornfall | In that question, anyway. | 16:39 |
| Eztran | Yeah, true. It's actually just a specification. | 16:39 |
| AL13N_work | doesn't host mode require power too? | 16:40 |
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| Eztran | AL13N_work: Yes, see above? | 16:40 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: yes, unless you have a powered hub | 16:40 |
| TemeV | some devices can act as host, but without power. You can use selfpowered devices with it | 16:40 |
| mornfall | AL13N_work: I think you have to use a powered hub to use non-OTG "hostmode". | 16:40 |
| Venemo | weren't you guys around in the N900 times? :) | 16:41 |
| mornfall | Venemo: I never felt compelled to hook up USB devices to my N900. :-P | 16:41 |
| Eztran | So, with OTG out of the way as hardware cannot meet the spec, we're back to: what's the status of hostmode? | 16:42 |
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| Venemo | why, everyone and their dog used USB peripherials with the N900 | 16:42 |
| Eztran | 'cause, well, that was the original question, and we haven't made much progress :) | 16:42 |
| AL13N_work | i thought i heard taht they were thinking of that | 16:42 |
| Venemo | while my old laptop was at repair, I used the N900 for a full week to watch a series from a USB HDD | 16:43 |
| artemma | Venemo: next time you will ask why people started web servers on N900 :D | 16:43 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 16:43 |
| Venemo | it wasn't a question | 16:43 |
| artemma | Venemo: because it's something nobody, but a cool geek can do - W-E-B S-E-R-V-E-R on a phone!! | 16:43 |
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| Eztran | N900: 'Because You Can'. :) | 16:44 |
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| Venemo | artemma: actually, I can imagine cases when it was useful for some people :) | 16:45 |
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| TemeV | Venemo: could you tell us one? :) | 16:46 |
| TemeV | I can't imagine | 16:46 |
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| Venemo | when you need a test server for a web app but you don't have a VPS | 16:46 |
| Venemo | or when you want to freaking say that you're running a web server on your phone | 16:47 |
| PeperJohnny | I can't imagine the amout of work^^ | 16:47 |
| Venemo | there is no work, you just install a bunch of packages and it works | 16:48 |
| TemeV | Venemo: the latter sounds valid, the first sounds quite rare case | 16:48 |
| Venemo | actually if my N900 would still work and I hadn't had anything better to do with it, I'd use it for that | 16:49 |
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| Eztran | It's a pretty good use for an old semi-dead device, really. | 16:49 |
| Venemo | yea, you see? | 16:49 |
| TemeV | why wouldn't I run it in e.g. virtual machine, why a phone | 16:50 |
| TemeV | well, why not is ofcourse a good question also :) | 16:50 |
| Venemo | I said, when you don't have a VPS for this purpose | 16:50 |
| TemeV | well, you could install virtual box and some linux there | 16:51 |
| TemeV | assuming you're not doing the development with the phone | 16:51 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: Did someone had a mailserver on N900? | 16:51 |
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| Venemo | PeperJohnny: I'm unaware | 16:52 |
| PeperJohnny | Ok | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | TemeV: there was a wifi fast file sharing "app" that simply was a webserver on the n900 with a html form file upload | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:54 |
| TemeV | ok, sounds legit :) | 16:55 |
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| merlin1991 | iirc there was something similar for n9 aswell | 16:55 |
| merlin1991 | yep http://thp.io/2012/serverr/ | 16:55 |
| TemeV | could be quite handy actually | 16:56 |
| TemeV | not too secure though | 16:56 |
| Eztran | It's not really supposed to be, it's like a replacement for Bluetooth etc., but more effective. | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | well when you make it do ssl and digest auth it should be okish security wise | 16:56 |
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| TemeV | yeah, and if you enable it only when you need to transfer files | 16:57 |
| TemeV | and only in private wlan ofcourse | 16:58 |
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| Venemo_j | meh | 17:31 |
| Venemo_j | my jolla decided it doesn't want to play the alarm sound anymore | 17:31 |
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| Yaniel | it wants a new one? | 17:40 |
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| Venemo_j | Yaniel: it vibrates but does not play a sound when an alarm goes off | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | i presume you enabled sounds? | 17:51 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: yes | 17:53 |
| Venemo_j | I mean, it's not in silent mode and has the default alarm tune set | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | try switch ambience, does it change? | 17:54 |
| Venemo_j | will try when I get home. I have to rush off now | 17:55 |
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| Quu | maybe it has invalid soundfile? | 18:00 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: you were right! the alarm thing was just a mistaken setting in the ambience | 19:47 |
| jubo2 | So if I go to physical DNA kauppa tomorrow.. | 19:48 |
| jubo2 | I see and get to try the real thing ? | 19:48 |
| Quu | maybe | 19:48 |
| jubo2 | I've never used any touch gesture UI | 19:48 |
| Quu | depending on store | 19:48 |
| Quu | oh | 19:48 |
| Quu | hehe | 19:48 |
| jubo2 | So I'll be at home with Jolla | 19:48 |
| jubo2 | Yeah yeah I know it's teh awesome interaction method with maps and web pages | 19:49 |
| jubo2 | ... touch gesture UI | 19:49 |
| Venemo | jubo2: be sure to read the paper leaflet that they give in the box and go through the tutorial - the Jolla uses a lot of gestures in the OS | 19:49 |
| jubo2 | Venemo: 'k .. | 19:49 |
| jubo2 | I've heard I can has 16 virtual kbrds and the ones I need are in them | 19:50 |
| jubo2 | western and cyrilic | 19:50 |
| Venemo | jubo2: you will get used to it in no time and then it'll feel superb :) | 19:50 |
| jubo2 | 'k a keyboard dedicated to entering French would be very useful too | 19:50 |
| Yaniel | apparently someone already made a japanese IME based on anthy already too :3 | 19:51 |
| jubo2 | Venemo: Libre off-line dictionary ? | 19:51 |
| Venemo | jubo2: I meant the gestures | 19:51 |
| jubo2 | something under GFDL maybe.. | 19:51 |
| jubo2 | Venemo: I'm asking the next gesture. Does it come with off-line translation tools | 19:51 |
| Yaniel | no dictionary/translation app yet | 19:52 |
| jubo2 | the Russian kbrd isn't going to do shit for me if roaming costs umptytillionmillion RUB | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | well that is totally up to your operator/contract | 19:52 |
| jubo2 | I'm not moving | 19:52 |
| jubo2 | I've been with DNA for 13 yrs | 19:52 |
| Waitee | poor you | 19:53 |
| Venemo | I've just found two dictionary apps in the store | 19:53 |
| jubo2 | and besides the succkky Sonera doesn't offer Wussia, only nordic and baltic for flatrate | 19:53 |
| Yaniel | is that like as long as they've existed? | 19:53 |
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| Waitee | i was with dna for less than a year and swapped back to saunalahti | 19:53 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: pretty much | 19:53 |
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| jubo2 | they opened in Feb 2001, I got a subscription Apr 2001 | 19:53 |
| jubo2 | jubo-jubo almost always on the side of the underdog(s) | 19:54 |
| Venemo | what do you mean, underdogs? | 19:54 |
| jubo2 | DNA originally == Peripherial phone associations venture into mobile | 19:54 |
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| jubo2 | Venemo: you do not know of the opposites upper dog / under dog ? | 19:55 |
| Quu | whats updog? | 19:55 |
| jubo2 | How can you guys be this ignorant?.. jubo-jubo explain | 19:55 |
| jubo2 | Dominant players are called "over dog" | 19:56 |
| jubo2 | under dog == opposite of over dog | 19:56 |
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| jubo2 | Jolla is confusing.. it's got that flank attack thing going with the ecosystem wars so it's hard to place | 20:00 |
| jubo2 | hard to tell how strong it's position is | 20:01 |
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| jubo2 | I guess I'll have to try it | 20:01 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, does anyone happen to have a fastmail account? or else, have you experienced scrolling issues in Sailbro on specific sites, where you can't scroll up or down? I'd like to find out whether it's actually a problem specific to that webmail site or there's the same thing going on in others | 20:06 |
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| jubo2 | Found a new job I'm applying for.. Someone needs customer service person | 20:08 |
| jubo2 | this is awesome.. I have experience in phone customer service in both domestic and my English is fluent | 20:09 |
| jubo2 | It's for an international company | 20:09 |
| jubo2 | and I'm happy doing customer service job | 20:09 |
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| jubo2 | they want part-time, I want part-time and can work the EU office hours | 20:10 |
| jubo2 | So it's a job I _must_ apply for | 20:10 |
| jubo2 | all of this about jubo-juboxi seeking employment | 20:10 |
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| jubo2 | it's quite the off-topic here and who'se gonna hire him.. | 20:11 |
| Yaniel | this and more again on next week's jubo-special | 20:11 |
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| Venemo | jubo2: no, what do you mean? | 20:13 |
| jubo2 | Venemo: urr nick.. | 20:13 |
| jubo2 | reminds me of Maemo | 20:13 |
| Venemo | I was an N900 user | 20:14 |
| jubo2 | I've a long time thought about it that it comes from fi."Maa-emo" == en."Mother Earth" | 20:14 |
| Venemo | so yes, you might've seen my nickname in #maemo in the old times :) | 20:14 |
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| AL13N | anyone know why ffmpeg isn't on the device? | 20:35 |
| tbr | why would it? | 20:35 |
| AL13N | gstreamer-ffmpeg isn't on tit | 20:36 |
| AL13N | *is on it | 20:36 |
| tbr | why would it? | 20:36 |
| AL13N | but ffmpeg itself isn't | 20:36 |
| AL13N | tbr: but it is on it | 20:36 |
| AL13N | the second should be "why wouldn't it" | 20:36 |
| tbr | no | 20:36 |
| AL13N | no? | 20:37 |
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| AL13N | gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl <-- installed | 20:37 |
| tbr | why would you need an application that nobody can use if you only need the library | 20:37 |
| AL13N | can't use the application? | 20:37 |
| tbr | ffmpeg doesn't have a silica ui, does it? | 20:38 |
| AL13N | ffmpeg is only cli | 20:38 |
| tbr | see | 20:38 |
| tbr | there is no point for it to waste space | 20:38 |
| AL13N | that's like saying, oh you don't need vim | 20:38 |
| tbr | this is not a desktop distro with n-thousand packages | 20:38 |
| AL13N | true | 20:39 |
| joonahoi | i actually tried using vim with fingerterm | 20:39 |
| AL13N | so, there is no repository where ffmpeg is on it? | 20:39 |
| joonahoi | won't try again | 20:39 |
| AL13N | joonahoi: why not, i'm using it all the time | 20:39 |
| tbr | AL13N: no idea, you're free to build it if it isn't it and submit it to chum | 20:39 |
| special | AL13N: 1) it's gst-ffmpeg, not the standalong libav libraries | 20:40 |
| AL13N | tbr: i donno, i had expected it to be in mer-tools | 20:40 |
| special | AL13N: 2) the codecs in that build are very limited, it is not a full copy of the library | 20:40 |
| joonahoi | that must have been some kind of terminal charset mismatch | 20:40 |
| tbr | again: why would it? | 20:40 |
| AL13N | ah | 20:40 |
| joonahoi | esc or shift or something generated some keycodes that weren't translated correctly | 20:40 |
| special | AL13N: someone might have built ffmpeg or libav on build.merproject.org, there is nothing official | 20:40 |
| joonahoi | and the top bar that shows what you are currently typing didn't help | 20:40 |
| AL13N | joonahoi: i didn't have any issues | 20:41 |
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| * tbr uses vim over ssh on the device | 20:41 | |
| joonahoi | yeah, mine was a borderline usage whatsoever, ssh -> xen dom0 -> xen console to domU | 20:41 |
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| AL13N | errr | 20:41 |
| joonahoi | it must have been xen console that fucked up my charset | 20:41 |
| AL13N | xl console always does odd things with the terminfo | 20:42 |
| joonahoi | yup | 20:42 |
| AL13N | i prefer using ssh to the machine itself | 20:42 |
| joonahoi | me too, just didn't have a choice that time | 20:42 |
| AL13N | true | 20:42 |
| joonahoi | i was on the bus | 20:42 |
| joonahoi | and needed to do something quick | 20:42 |
| joonahoi | and the machine doesn't have sshd on | 20:43 |
| AL13N | speaking of, there is no hw virtualisation on the cpu, i'm guessing? | 20:43 |
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| joonahoi | on the machine i was working on? | 20:45 |
| AL13N | joonahoi: i meant on the jolla :-) | 20:46 |
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| joonahoi | heh | 20:46 |
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| joonahoi | i don't think they would waste space for things like that | 20:46 |
| tbr | AL13N: was introduces only in later ARM generations | 20:48 |
| joonahoi | daymn, really? | 20:48 |
| tbr | AL13N: this is something like an cortex-A9 (it's actually a krait IIRC), hardware virtualization was added with A15 | 20:48 |
| AL13N | i know it exists, though no SoC will put this on a phone chipset, that's for sure | 20:48 |
| joonahoi | i was just googling about that | 20:48 |
| tbr | actually newer exynos chips do support that | 20:49 |
| joonahoi | krait was advertized to have some virtualization functios | 20:49 |
| AL13N | i wonder when the first 64bit v8 will be out there | 20:49 |
| tbr | and they can be found in phones | 20:49 |
| AL13N | tbr: really? | 20:49 |
| joonahoi | "Krait has been upgraded to support the new virtualization instructions added in Cortex A15. Also like the A15, Krait enables LPAE for 40-bit memory addressing." | 20:49 |
| joonahoi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture | 20:49 |
| AL13N | huh | 20:49 |
| tbr | interesting | 20:49 |
| AL13N | what is the use case? | 20:49 |
| joonahoi | that's what i'm wondering | 20:49 |
| AL13N | except for having a buildserver on my phone | 20:50 |
| special | ARM servers. | 20:50 |
| tbr | you can do partitioning | 20:50 |
| tbr | run a hypervisor and dump android runtime into different vm | 20:50 |
| joonahoi | consider my mind blown | 20:50 |
| AL13N | tbr: won't the resource usage be higher with that | 20:51 |
| tbr | would be interesting to confirm if this particular chip supports it AND if it is enabled | 20:51 |
| tbr | because QC is notorious for not enabling everything | 20:51 |
| AL13N | heh | 20:51 |
| bennypr0fane | guys, would anyone mind going to fastmail.fm really quick on sailfish browser? | 20:51 |
| tbr | AL13N: if properly designed, the markup should be neglegible | 20:51 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm trying to verify that not only I have this issue with that site | 20:52 |
| AL13N | tbr: i'm doubting it'll ever happen | 20:52 |
| joonahoi | bennypr0fane: looks fine | 20:52 |
| bennypr0fane | you'd need to create a free account to see it though | 20:52 |
| bennypr0fane | you'd be doing me a grerat favor | 20:52 |
| AL13N | hmm, sofia-sip is on nemomobile-packages | 20:53 |
| tbr | AL13N: been done already on an LXC level | 20:53 |
| bennypr0fane | it's that after logging in , I can't scroll on the e-mail view | 20:53 |
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| tbr | and the step from lxc to something like proper virtualization is small | 20:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | joonahoi: fastmail.fm has a rather fancy mobile interface, I believe it's html5 | 20:54 |
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| AL13N | tbr: i would think the hypervisor would take extra resources, and the schedular would take more resources | 20:54 |
| bennypr0fane | however it works perfectly fine in android opera and firefox on jolla | 20:54 |
| tbr | AL13N: that's why hardware support was done in the first place: less resource overhead | 20:55 |
| bennypr0fane | they provide very good customer service and I just moved all my e-mail business there. it'd be a big bummer if I can't use the site in Sailbro | 20:55 |
| AL13N | tbr: of course, but i think it would take heavy tuning and careful building in order to get anywhere near battery usage | 20:55 |
| AL13N | for servers, i can understand it, but phones.... | 20:56 |
| tbr | AL13N: [citation needed] | 20:56 |
| AL13N | oh well, we'll see | 20:56 |
| AL13N | "i think it would" | 20:56 |
| AL13N | no citation provided :-) | 20:56 |
| bennypr0fane | joonahoi, are you looking into it? | 20:56 |
| tbr | ;) | 20:56 |
| joonahoi | bennypr0fane: yeah, ran into a brick wall | 20:56 |
| bennypr0fane | joonahoi: hm? | 20:57 |
| joonahoi | registered account on my phone but gave nonexistent email as my "current email" | 20:57 |
| AL13N | anyway, if sofia-sip is in there, would it be possible to configure telepathy with it? | 20:57 |
| joonahoi | it needs confirmation | 20:57 |
| AL13N | farsteam is there too | 20:57 |
| AL13N | *farstream ? | 20:57 |
| bennypr0fane | joonahoi you provided a fake e.mail address? | 20:57 |
| joonahoi | tried regging again with my laptop, but they must track the ip or something like that, because i can't seem to be able to register a free trial account anymore | 20:57 |
| joonahoi | yeah, i did | 20:57 |
| tbr | AL13N: go ahead and try your luck with mc-tool :) | 20:57 |
| bennypr0fane | ah, I see | 20:58 |
| bennypr0fane | why so? | 20:58 |
| AL13N | tbr: mc-tool eh | 20:58 |
| joonahoi | because the account was just for testing | 20:58 |
| joonahoi | and i didn't have time to even read through what they're offering | 20:58 |
| joonahoi | so didn't want to give my contact info off | 20:58 |
| joonahoi | but the fake email went pretty well with my registered fake name ;) | 20:58 |
| bennypr0fane | ok , nevermind. it's very respectable paid e-mail service though (free one is limited to 60 days) | 20:59 |
| bennypr0fane | no ads, no tracking, no google | 20:59 |
| joonahoi | yup, i host my own | 20:59 |
| bennypr0fane | joonahoi: you are very brave | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | their front page layout seemed nice on the mobile browser though | 21:00 |
| bennypr0fane | let me guess, you also have owncloud? | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | nope | 21:00 |
| bennypr0fane | :-) | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | running good 'ol postfix | 21:00 |
| bennypr0fane | what'S that? | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | mta | 21:00 |
| tbr | postfix <3 | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | yeah, i really like it too | 21:00 |
| joonahoi | the chained nature works pretty well and lets you hook in between whatever you wish, or not to bother if you don't want to | 21:01 |
| bennypr0fane | anyways if I let the fastmail guys know there's a bug in their mobile interface, they'll probably look into it. it's run by Opera asa, i kinda respect those people | 21:02 |
| joonahoi | brb sauna | 21:02 |
| bennypr0fane | anyway it seems more likely a bug/lacuna in Sailbro code | 21:02 |
| bennypr0fane | sorry, a gap | 21:03 |
| tango_ | while you're at it, ask them if they plan to port opera to sailfish os | 21:03 |
| bennypr0fane | tango_: don't think so. they're probably fine with the android version working for us. | 21:05 |
| bennypr0fane | a sign of their impending doom is that they're lagging behind on linux development since more than a year | 21:06 |
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| bennypr0fane | latest linux version of Opera is 12, Windows is 17! | 21:06 |
| bennypr0fane | whereas before they used to port Opera to each and every single platform out there | 21:06 |
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| bennypr0fane | does anyone run owncloud? tried the android app on Jolla? | 21:09 |
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| AL13N | joonahoi: i too host my own email... | 21:12 |
| AL13N | tbr: hmm, after installing sofia-sip, it appears not to be enough... mc-tool didn't want to add it | 21:13 |
| ajaijjaj | bennypr0fane: why asking about owncloud android app? Is it not working? | 21:13 |
| AL13N | ah, rakia | 21:14 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't know. I wanna find out if it does work | 21:14 |
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| ajaijjaj | i've not tried it. Is it the one on Google Play for €0.79? | 21:15 |
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| bennypr0fane | ajaijjaj: I don't know, probably not using Owncloud yet, just checking if anyone is using it successfully with their jolla | 21:17 |
| bennypr0fane | there should be a . after ..."probably." | 21:18 |
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| ajaijjaj | bennypr0fane_: I've only tried ownNotes that works. Not eager to install google play and rely on android app. E.g., at least for me copy-paste between android app and native sailfish os is not working. So, it can be annoying. Don't know if the clipboard thing will change or maybe it is only my phone. | 21:21 |
| joonahoi | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyOwnCloud | 21:22 |
| joonahoi | (haven't tried it though) | 21:23 |
| joonahoi | but i suppse you'd be able to at least sync the files with that | 21:23 |
| ajaijjaj | joonahoi: thanks, I'll check this one later. | 21:24 |
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| joonahoi | ah, nvm, it seems to be just a python wrapper for ocsync c lib | 21:26 |
| ajaijjaj | too bad | 21:27 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ajaijjaj: clipboard is not working system-wide for now | 21:29 |
| bennypr0fane_ | I really, really hope they fix this , soon | 21:29 |
| joonahoi | yeah, i was looking forward to include oc too | 21:29 |
| bennypr0fane_ | but mayyyybee, someone will make a native Sf Owncloud app! | 21:30 |
| joonahoi | my app syncs pictures taken with camera (actually i just keep an eye on the dir using inotify) to google drive and dropbox atm | 21:30 |
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| ajaijjaj | bennypr0fane_: what do you mean by "system-wide"? I've managed to copy URL from the built-in web browser to Messages | 21:31 |
| Quu | ajaijjaj: doesnt work for terminal or android apps | 21:31 |
| ajaijjaj | ok | 21:31 |
| AL13N | tbr: how does the password stuff work with mc-tool? | 21:31 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ajaijjaj: I mean what Quu said | 21:31 |
| AL13N | i only got string:account= | 21:31 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | also ajaijjaj HOW did you copy/paste stuff from the browseR? | 21:32 |
| Kondou | the owncloud app is also in the fdroid store, and it works pretty well on my jolla | 21:32 |
| bennypr0fane_ | if noone makes an Sf app, I'll be seriously disappointed | 21:32 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ajaijjaj: there is no clipboard in Sailbro | 21:33 |
| Kondou | https://together.jolla.com/question/880/owncloud-integration/ | 21:33 |
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| ajaijjaj | bennypr0fane_: I am not able to copy text from a webpage, but from the navigation textbox where URL of a webpage is | 21:35 |
| bennypr0fane_ | ahm that. so just urls, really | 21:36 |
| ajaijjaj | so far I'm good with that :D | 21:36 |
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| bennypr0fane_ | I'm soo looking forward to the next Sf update | 21:37 |
| ajaijjaj | I can't wait | 21:38 |
| joonahoi | i can't wait to get the python + pyotherside offically supported by harbour | 21:38 |
| ajaijjaj | fdroid looks much better, have to try it now | 21:38 |
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| AL13N | tbr: QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Connection.sofiasip.sip.alien999999999_2d201_40pbxes_2eorg' had owner ':1.78' but we thought it was '' | 21:49 |
| AL13N | maybe dbus registration problem? i got stuck here :-) | 21:49 |
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| ajaijjaj | checked and agree that ownCloud app from fdroid works ok. To have fully functionality have to install android's camera, pdf reader etc.. Alternatively, can move files and open files from Sailfish that is not so handy. But be ok as backup. | 22:07 |
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| zen|merge | hi, i can't join my wifi (sorry. could not connect to selected network.) re-entering the password is only possible after turning wifi off and back on. is this a known problem? os ver. 1.0.2.5 | 22:37 |
| zen|merge | another wifi works | 22:37 |
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| hariainm | hello everyone | 23:09 |
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| hariainm | quick question: dont know why but recently i get way to many notifications from a failed download i have. Dont know from where it comes (android apps, i installed a bit, stock browser, LLs player...) | 23:11 |
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| hariainm | when i click on notification it dissapears but some minutes later it shows again | 23:12 |
| hariainm | even after reboot | 23:12 |
| Morpog_PC | try to delete your transfers log | 23:12 |
| hariainm | is there any way to fix it? where to check what apps are pushing notifications to the notifications screen? | 23:13 |
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| hariainm | no, the funny part is in settings>transfers i have nothing | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC | strange | 23:14 |
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| hariainm | indeed | 23:14 |
| hariainm | damming futurama episode is really frustrating me | 23:14 |
| hariainm | is the "failed download" i have | 23:15 |
| hariainm | i supposse there is some kind of proccess responsible to push notifications to the screen | 23:15 |
| hariainm | any way to look at it? any log? | 23:16 |
| hariainm | any config file? | 23:16 |
| Morpog_PC | dunni | 23:16 |
| Morpog_PC | dunno | 23:16 |
| hariainm | :( | 23:16 |
| Morpog_PC | wait for Jolla guys | 23:16 |
| hariainm | ok then | 23:17 |
| Morpog_PC | ping stskeeps for example | 23:17 |
| hariainm | thanks anyway morpog | 23:17 |
| Morpog_PC | or aard or veskuh | 23:17 |
| Morpog_PC | np | 23:17 |
| special | hariainm: lipstick handles notifications. There is a database, called notifications.db, under $HOME somewhere | 23:19 |
| special | it does have the name of the application that sent the notification | 23:19 |
| hariainm | thanks, i found it | 23:22 |
| hariainm | is in /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications | 23:23 |
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