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| vesqu_ | ah -23 degrees and i am going the timbering woods :) | 05:57 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:37 |
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| Nicd- | err | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | has anyone ever received empty SMSs on their jolla? | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | hahaha, not the fault of the phone it seems | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | but someone's daughter got hold of their phone | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | "i want angrybirds, now?" | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:59 |
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| Nicd- | hehe | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | sent three empty SMSs and then called me | 08:59 |
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| AL13N | Nicd-: lol | 09:27 |
| AL13N | btw: does anyone know if i can just edit qml on the phone someplace and execute that? | 09:27 |
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| TheBootroo | ohai : | 10:20 |
| TheBootroo | The major OS update planned on january is still being released this month ? | 10:20 |
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| AJAX555 | oh, it's major update? | 10:26 |
| AL13N | afaik a feature update was planned Q1 2014 | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | have we had anything else.. | 10:27 |
| AL13N | not specifically january | 10:27 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: yes, that small store update thing | 10:28 |
| AL13N | :-) | 10:28 |
| AL13N | btw: testing qml stuff, i see: DeclarativeCoverWindow: You should be calling QQuickWindow::setDefaultAlphaBuffer(true) before creating windows. | 10:28 |
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| AL13N | i can't see how i can set this in QML, so maybe this is a bug? | 10:28 |
| clau | has anyone tried to connect headphones to Jolla during a call? I've done it and it appears the audio does not switch to headphones automatically. | 10:29 |
| clau | but before I add it to TJC, maybe someone can confirm it. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | headphones or headset and what type | 10:29 |
| clau | uhm, I meant headset, and it's the one I have from a Lumia 920. | 10:32 |
| clau | it seems to be working fine otherwise | 10:32 |
| clau | I interrupted the call and called back and I had them working then. | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: huh @ brightness? | 10:38 |
| stephg | clau now that you mention it I had headphones in when I made a call and whilst the audio started in the headphones it switched to the phone quite quickly into the call | 10:46 |
| stephg | (unless was user error, was slightly not sober) | 10:46 |
| clau | I'll check it again later and if I can reproduce it I'll put a new item on TJC | 10:48 |
| stephg | okies | 10:49 |
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| ccha4 | what is the default pdf viewer ? | 10:59 |
| ccha4 | it looks so slow | 10:59 |
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| mornfall | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 11:03 |
| mornfall | any idea? | 11:03 |
| mornfall | (ssu won't do anything, just print this a dozen times and die) | 11:04 |
| ccha4 | with ssu commands ? | 11:04 |
| ccha4 | I got these messages too, I got the informations | 11:04 |
| ccha4 | ssu lr | 11:04 |
| ccha4 | for repositories | 11:04 |
| mornfall | sure, but ar/ur don't work, and even lr prints those errors | 11:05 |
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| stephg | mornfall think the errors are spurious, ssu ur works here | 11:08 |
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| stephg | prints nothing, but the exit status is 0 | 11:09 |
| stephg | by prints nothing, I mean nothing other than the those warnings | 11:09 |
| mornfall | right | 11:09 |
| mornfall | lr indeed shows mer-tools | 11:10 |
| stephg | yup | 11:10 |
| mornfall | but supposedly there's powertop in that repo and I can't install that? | 11:10 |
| mornfall | hm, maybe I need to pkcon refresh | 11:11 |
| stephg | yep | 11:11 |
| stephg | you need to enable the repo, refresh pkcon | 11:11 |
| mornfall | silly package managers | 11:11 |
| mornfall | it takes even longer than apt-get on n900 :\ | 11:12 |
| stephg | and yeah, powertop is there | 11:12 |
| mornfall | ok, that worked | 11:13 |
| mornfall | now I wish someone had a mer-compatible dnsmasq rpm | 11:13 |
| mornfall | or at least some connman docs | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | isn't busybox there | 11:13 |
| mornfall | busybox is on the phone yes | 11:14 |
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| mornfall | but built without dnsd if that's what you mean :-) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 11:15 |
| mornfall | also, connman has its own dns proxy, but I couldn't figure out how to configure it | 11:15 |
| mornfall | dnsd wouldn't do anyway | 11:16 |
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| mornfall | what I need is to add a different nameserver for a particular domain | 11:16 |
| mornfall | i.e. the equivalent of server=/mornfall.net/192.168.234.1 in dnsmasq | 11:17 |
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| AJAX555 | ah shit forgot that I can't connect jolla with my xp.. | 12:14 |
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| netzvieh | So I have a notification I can't read: "Account <my google acc> n..." - and there it goes over the screen. could someone tell me what it means? :D | 14:06 |
| Quu | netzvieh: it logged off because connection error | 14:06 |
| netzvieh | Quu: okay, thanks | 14:06 |
| Quu | it says something like "needs to be updated/upgraded" | 14:06 |
| Quu | you can click it and login (or wait for it to do it automatically) | 14:07 |
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| pdanek | Anyone feels that Jolla is too thin? | 14:52 |
| pdanek | Being used to N900, it's just too thin. :D | 14:52 |
| pdanek | Unpleasantly thin. :D | 14:52 |
| Yaniel | nah | 14:52 |
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| Yaniel | I wouldn't mind if it were slightly thicker | 14:52 |
| pettter | I like it | 14:52 |
| cb400f | I need to get used to the "lightness" coming from the N9 :-) | 14:53 |
| Yaniel | what bugs me more is the sharpness of the corners | 14:53 |
| cb400f | yep, I want a green "other half" with rounded sides! :-) | 14:53 |
| javispedro | I miss the N9 "rubber" case | 14:53 |
| cb400f | corners don't bother me, just the sides | 14:53 |
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| javispedro | gave an indestructible feeling | 14:54 |
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| pdanek | I had OtterBox case on N900 | 14:56 |
| pdanek | it was a tank | 14:56 |
| javispedro | should have done that as my N900 is dented to hell | 14:57 |
| pdanek | http://nokiaexperts.com/review-otterbox-commuter-series-nokia-n900/ | 14:57 |
| pdanek | photos on bottom | 14:57 |
| pdanek | it was really good case | 14:57 |
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| Turski | i would like to have rubbery TOH | 15:00 |
| pdanek | yea, right now Jolla isn't really unique on HW side | 15:00 |
| Turski | or something with a bit better friction than the default ones | 15:00 |
| pdanek | as there are no other halfs | 15:00 |
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| pawky | Is there any way to see in the Ui you have added a SDcard and it's size? | 15:56 |
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| Quu | iirc not yet | 15:56 |
| javispedro | pawky: not currently, see https://together.jolla.com/question/4939/separate-micro-sd-memory-card-indicator/ | 15:56 |
| pawky | and how about sending MMS, is it a no no? | 15:57 |
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| Pnuu | pawky: for now | 16:27 |
| Pnuu | but it's one of the most voted feature-request on together | 16:28 |
| Pnuu | and it's on the roadmap | 16:29 |
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| pawky | Where does one put improvements/bugs etc? | 16:53 |
| pawky | in here? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | together.jolla.com | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | tag with 'bug' | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | for the bugs | 16:57 |
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| Nicd- | webcat is pretty good it seems :) now I don't have to read reddit with an android client anymore | 17:11 |
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| walokra | quickddit is quite ok for reddit | 17:34 |
| Nicd- | waiting for some to be available in the jolla store | 17:35 |
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| Anden | i'm curious about how people perceive the hardware quality of jolla compared to nokia phones? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | i'm biased, but i think it's pretty good | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | i've yet to kill mine and i've had prototypes since early days | 17:59 |
| CraigA | hard to compare | 17:59 |
| CraigA | nokia has years and years behind them, this is jolla's first device | 17:59 |
| CraigA | that being said, for a first device, the build quality is extremely well done imo | 17:59 |
| * artemma got first scracth on alumnium bezel already :( | 17:59 | |
| Anden | i'm the kind of person who thinks apples and samsungs feel like a plastic toy compared to some nokias | 17:59 |
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| artemma | just from pocket use | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: keys involved, or? | 18:00 |
| artemma | Stskeeps, more like coins I think | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah yeah | 18:00 |
| artemma | it's not the bezel per se, it's this thin bumping out part of it, maybe it's just paint | 18:00 |
| CraigA | yeah i always make sure there is nothing in the pocket I put my jolla in | 18:01 |
| artemma | otherhalf that is simultaneously a case could be interesting | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i want a lego toh case | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | to me it seems less durable than the N9 or N900 | 18:03 |
| Anden | did jolla get any former nokia hardware engineers from nokia or just software engineers? | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | like, less solid | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | but could be also due to size/weight ratio | 18:03 |
| Anden | ok | 18:03 |
| artemma | M4rtinK, well, it's hard to be more solid than solid polycarbonate of N9 and lumias. I guess patented and hard to do at least | 18:04 |
| teve | I've had to repair N900 three times (one RMA, two times myself) | 18:04 |
| clau | Jolla should add some extra weight on the next model, or just produce some TOH from lead | 18:04 |
| clau | that would make happy the people who think heavy means stronger :) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Anden: we stick to what we're good at. industrial design was infinity.fi, hw design was a company by ex-nokians hardcore hw people, i think | 18:06 |
| clau | well, my model has some very small hw issues: the camera lens is not really centered in its place | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | clau: how does it manifest in camera quality? | 18:07 |
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| clau | and the glass on display has some very small space on top and on the right | 18:07 |
| clau | I'm a tad concerned it will gather dirt, but it remains to be seen | 18:07 |
| clau | camera seems fine, but I haven't done any special tests | 18:07 |
| clau | I don't think it's so far our of center as to see problems in pictures. | 18:08 |
| clau | *our=out | 18:08 |
| Anden | Stskeeps: i see, thanks | 18:08 |
| clau | oh, and other people complained about the buttons (on tjc) | 18:08 |
| clau | on the other hand, when I bought my first white N9 it was a complete mess | 18:09 |
| clau | dust got into the camera in a few days | 18:09 |
| clau | the vibrator was really bad, and the screen had an odd flicker when on low power mode (mainly visible in the dark) | 18:09 |
| clau | so I had to send it back, and sadly I could only find the black version after that | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still sad my n900 died. | 18:10 |
| clau | the buggy one was 'made in finland', the black one, which still works, was 'made in china' | 18:10 |
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| Anden | i guess nokia isn't perfect either. guess i've just been really lucky with all the nokias i had.. all have great build quality :) | 18:11 |
| Anden | that or some of you been really unlucky | 18:11 |
| clau | I have an E71 that still works, too | 18:11 |
| clau | I don't even remember when I bought it, but it must have been at least 4 years ago | 18:12 |
| clau | in other news: http://openwhatsapp.org/blog/2013/04/15/how-blackberry-run-their-business-ii/ | 18:12 |
| Anden | i've got plenty of nokias.. 2x E70, N8, N9, N900, and lots of old ones that would make the list too long | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | I'm on fifth or sixth N900 | 18:13 |
| Anden | damn, what happened to them? | 18:13 |
| clau | ShadowJK, how did they die? or are you making a cluster? :) | 18:13 |
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| ShadowJK | modemdeath all of them | 18:13 |
| Anden | i dont have a SIM in mine | 18:14 |
| Anden | wifi is enough for me | 18:14 |
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| gena3x | Just bought jolla from somebody else. And have few questions =) | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Shoot | 18:18 |
| gena3x | Hi =) | 18:18 |
| gena3x | trying to update to latest version. in about app i see 1.0.0.5. selecting 'check for updates' i see 'up to date' | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | did you touch developer mode or developer updates at all | 18:20 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: you know the answer.. :D | 18:20 |
| gena3x | yes, i turned on developer mode | 18:20 |
| gena3x | i can't live without ssh and terminal | 18:20 |
| ottulo | dev mode and dev updates are separate | 18:21 |
| tigeli | gena3x: open terminal on the device, type "ssu domain" and tell me the output | 18:21 |
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| gena3x | tigeli: 'device domain i currently: jolla | 18:21 |
| tigeli | gena3x: ok, do: "ssu domain sales" | 18:22 |
| tigeli | gena3x: and try again "check for updates" | 18:22 |
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| gena3x | tigeli: great, update found. i will connect wifi and proceed, thanks | 18:25 |
| tigeli | gena3x: np | 18:25 |
| clau | Stskeeps, I have tested again the headset: it works correctly, as long as the loudspeaker is not enabled. | 18:27 |
| AL13N | hmm, i put my SIM in my phone, i got it unlocked and imported contacts | 18:28 |
| clau | However, while loudspeaker is active, it won't switch to headset. If I deactivate the loudspeaker while the headset is connected, the headset is activated. | 18:28 |
| AL13N | but i can't seem to call people or be called | 18:28 |
| AL13N | though network is detected... | 18:28 |
| AL13N | how can i debug this? | 18:29 |
| AL13N | any logs? | 18:29 |
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| AL13N | journalctl shows DSME: IPHB: failed to open kernel connection '/dev/iphb' | 18:32 |
| AL13N | is that it? | 18:32 |
| AL13N | (this is a sim that has no data plan on it) | 18:32 |
| AL13N | but internet was disabled in the settings | 18:32 |
| AL13N | (though i did see 3G... odd) | 18:33 |
| AL13N | i thought 2G and 3G were data connections? | 18:34 |
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| AL13N | when calling, i get call: +32XXXXXXXX state: null 3 <some hash> | 18:39 |
| Anden | is the developer mode on sailfish like on the N9? turn it on and you get a terminal with busybox? | 18:45 |
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| vanadis | Is there a way to change the font color for an ambience thing? | 18:45 |
| vanadis | If i chose a completely black image, it's putting some golden font color. | 18:45 |
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| ottulo | vanadis: https://together.jolla.com/question/11949/black-and-white-ambiences/ | 18:47 |
| pahartik | Anden: "busybox" is installed but default interactive shell is "bash" | 18:47 |
| Anden | ah, even bash by default. nice | 18:47 |
| Anden | i installed bash manually on my N9 | 18:47 |
| gena3x | next question - how to specify ip/dns for network without dhcp? | 18:48 |
| gena3x | i mean wifi network | 18:48 |
| vanadis | thx ottulo | 18:49 |
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| AL13N | Anden: no, you get a terminal with a bash | 18:54 |
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| AL13N | how odd, my phone provider gives my call history as 0 replaced by '+32c4899' instead of +32 | 18:54 |
| AL13N | is there some kind of weird phone country settings i need to configure? | 18:55 |
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| AL13N | could this be a provider issue? | 19:07 |
| * AL13N 's looking into this | 19:07 | |
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| attah | blipp | 22:21 |
| Quu | blopp | 22:22 |
| stephg | parp | 22:28 |
| attah | ^ wtf? | 22:30 |
| slate | pröp. | 22:31 |
| slate | pwned with finnish keyboard. | 22:31 |
| attah | åäö... i think not! | 22:31 |
| clau | ăâîțș... take that. | 22:33 |
| Quu | privet)))) | 22:34 |
| Quu | take that | 22:34 |
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| attah | *feeling like king Arthur being ni:ed at* | 22:35 |
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| DrainBamaged | I want... a shrubbery! | 22:40 |
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| Morpog_ | Stskeeps, how to leave recovery mode if you have triggered it accidently on booting up the device? | 22:47 |
| stephg | I don't know what I've done to my kde | 22:47 |
| Morpog_ | long hold of power key doesn't work | 22:47 |
| stephg | but kio-mtp just doesn't want to launch when I plug it in :/ | 22:47 |
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| artemma | Gentlemen, Quick Launcher app is ready and pushed to harbour. Go try it already now - http://bit.ly/quicklauncher2 | 23:35 |
| artemma | From my experience, in Quick launcher it takes zero swiping and 4-5 taps to start any app (including tap to start the launcher!) | 23:36 |
| artemma | and I've got for launcher screens already | 23:36 |
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| * Aard listens up | 23:37 | |
| artemma | four* launcher screens | 23:37 |
| artemma | bit.ly reports 5 clicks by now :) | 23:38 |
| * Aard has 7 launcher pages, and it's getting annoying :) | 23:38 | |
| * artemma installed Quick Launcher to the home screen (you know, top four apps are shown there). That basically means quick search is always one tap away | 23:39 | |
| Nicd- | screenshots? | 23:39 |
| artemma | let's see, if it gets popular maybe I add contact and other search. Though Jolla will probably do these anyway at some point | 23:39 |
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| artemma | Nicd-: screenshots are submitted to Harbour.. lazy to publish them elsewhere. It is as simple (and elegant) as you imagine. Search field in the top, list of icons-titles below | 23:40 |
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| artemma | and keyboard open by default | 23:40 |
| Quu | artemma: are you in retail-business? :) | 23:40 |
| artemma | Quu: ? | 23:41 |
| Quu | you would be damn fine salesperson | 23:41 |
| Eztran | Was thinking 'that's a pretty good sales pitch for an app' too :) | 23:41 |
| * artemma used to be a product manager inside Nokia. With a single product yet big success.. right before Elop killed the whole platform :D | 23:41 | |
| Aard | artemma: we have limited resources, so if community or 3rd party developer can do something great there's not really much sense in reinventing it. in the launcher case it might make sense to just have a better way to plug the search in, but then allow you and others to provide the actual functionality | 23:41 |
| artemma | Aard: I am expressing same concern to all Jolla and not-so-Jolla people who are eager to listen :) | 23:42 |
| artemma | Aard: I am doing it for being famous and possibly for money -> zero motivation for me to do app if I know Jolla's competitive offering is around the corner | 23:43 |
| * artemma needs clear rules (or at least principles for rules) of what's for Jolla and what's for 3rd parties. Sure, these can change, but current-point-of-view helps a lot too | 23:43 | |
| Quu | Aard is like some sorf of super-ninja-coder | 23:44 |
| Aard | artemma: the way we allow you to select apps you want when you start the device the first time would (at least in theory) allow not only 'install jolla-email', but 'do you want email? ok, which one do you want?' as well. we did put some thought into that | 23:44 |
| Aard | though don't have an official company view to publish on that yet, unfortunately | 23:45 |
| artemma | Aard: sorry, but so far Jolla seems severely closed in sharing directions. Together "roadmap" is virtually the first openness step about directions that I noticed | 23:45 |
| artemma | seems *to me* certainly. There is possibility that I am particularly deaf | 23:46 |
| artemma | 15 bit.ly link clicks and counting! | 23:46 |
| Aard | quite a big part of that is just lack of resources. until december a relaxing weekend for me was one where I just worked 16 hours. with a workload like this to get the product done, or the first update out there's just no time to set everything up to explain things in public | 23:46 |
| * artemma feels happy. Love the app submission and publishing moments | 23:46 | |
| Quu | Aard: no shutdowns in 2d 3h :3 | 23:47 |
| Quu | no idea why | 23:47 |
| Quu | probably will melt tomorrow or something | 23:47 |
| artemma | Aard: please do not find it offensive. At least that's not intended to be this way. I totally believe you are doing the best you can. I can still be sad that your capacity is not double what it is | 23:47 |
| Aard | Quu: the bug feels we're getting close :p | 23:48 |
| Quu | Aard: good to hear :) | 23:48 |
| artemma | Aard: BTW, do you know is there somebody who went the warranty replacement way already? | 23:48 |
| Quu | pretty sure there is some people | 23:48 |
| Aard | artemma: as in 'device is broken, give me a new one'? | 23:48 |
| artemma | My device keeps rebooting up to a dozen times a day, Looks like hardware | 23:48 |
| artemma | I am still going to provide Stskeeps with some crashlogs now that my time is free after launcher submission. But then it will probably be the warranty way | 23:49 |
| Aard | artemma: did you open a care case already? | 23:49 |
| artemma | amazingly, BTW, it's some audio server that seems to crash most often :) | 23:49 |
| Quu | artemma: yeah, that happens 2-20 times per day | 23:49 |
| artemma | Aard: nope, it's not a burning issue yet, while I try to help with debugging it | 23:50 |
| artemma | It seems to crash particularly much on all kinds of reconnections: both to mobile data and to WiFi, I remember some rumors that poor SIM contact could cause it | 23:50 |
| Aard | interesting | 23:51 |
| artemma | well, anyway, crashlogs are collected by now, few of them even with the comments about what was happenng, I just need to ind time to send them to Stskeeps :) | 23:51 |
| Quu | i have had 1 sim-reboot | 23:51 |
| Quu | and i fiddled with sim-card | 23:51 |
| Aard | my devices are pretty solid, even though I'm trying to get them to crash :/ | 23:52 |
| artemma | Device is crashing 10-20 times when traveling (i.e. jumping between different wifi access points and mobile data and using maps/apps a lot), just 1-3 times a day in the home-work situation | 23:52 |
| artemma | 10-20 times a day | 23:52 |
| artemma | particularly annoying a shutdown cycles. You start device, enter pin code, one sec later device shuts down again | 23:53 |
| Aard | artemma: I wonder if it's properly updated. if you do version --dup, will it pull in new packages? | 23:53 |
| Quu | i have had max. 6 shutdowns per day | 23:53 |
| artemma | can happen randomly 10 times and then it's fine | 23:53 |
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| artemma | Aard: will try now | 23:53 |
| artemma | Refreshing software list.. | 23:54 |
| * artemma noticed that it's his 4th app submitted to harbour | 23:55 | |
| * artemma is the freaking Sailfish App Machine! Mua-ha-ha-ha! | 23:56 | |
| Aard | :) | 23:56 |
| * Aard didn't submit anything yet. let's see when I'll be able to finish my current toy | 23:56 | |
| artemma | Aard: version started installing some updates :/ | 23:57 |
| artemma | How is that possible? :/ | 23:57 |
| Aard | I hope you're connected by ssh, so you can pastebin? | 23:57 |
| Quu | yeah, same | 23:57 |
| * artemma installed latest official firmware update | 23:57 | |
| Quu | told me to reboot and not whine about previous crashes | 23:57 |
| artemma | Aard: yep, I am on ssh, but it doesn't tell what it wants to update | 23:57 |
| artemma | oups, Fatal error: Installation aborted by user | 23:58 |
| artemma | funny, must be the Jolla app store that I decided to start on the phone just now | 23:58 |
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| Aard | Quu: do you have the list of packages which got updated? | 23:58 |
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| Quu | Aard: probably not, rebooted already | 23:58 |
| Aard | Quu: how many? | 23:59 |
| Quu | it said "asennettu" in all of what it said | 23:59 |
| Quu | 5-8 | 23:59 |
| artemma | Aard: that is probably useless, but here's log anyway - http://pastebin.com/3CB2DpsU | 23:59 |
| artemma | rebooting as ssh suggested and will retry then | 23:59 |
| Quu | hmm | 23:59 |
| Aard | artemma: pkcon get-updates or pkcon get-distro-upgrades might give you a list | 23:59 |
| Quu | for me, it gave some packages | 23:59 |
| Aard | artemma: and you can ignore the reboot, as nothing got installed | 23:59 |
| Quu | before the "reboot now or die" part | 23:59 |
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