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| Aard | special: yes, yes. | 00:08 |
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| Elleo | can anyone reproduce this: Open the Notes app, type a capital T. Does it display? | 02:04 |
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| Elleo | for me it shows a blank character, but only with capital T | 02:04 |
| covox | T appears fine here | 02:05 |
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| Elleo | odd :/ | 02:05 |
| special | Elleo: does that happen for all capital T inside Notes? | 02:05 |
| covox | does it persist when you restart the device? | 02:05 |
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| Elleo | special: yep | 02:07 |
| Elleo | covox: haven't tried yet, will do in the morning | 02:08 |
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| special | and it should go away if you close notes or restart the device | 02:08 |
| Elleo | if it persists I'll make a bug report | 02:08 |
| special | I've seen it before, many many months ago | 02:08 |
| special | and never reproducibly. The glyph for a certain letter fails to cache/upload properly | 02:08 |
| Elleo | ah yes, just restarting notes seems to do it | 02:08 |
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| Elleo | this bug is brought to you by letter " " | 02:09 |
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| covox | be er luck next ime | 02:10 |
| Elleo | heh | 02:10 |
| covox | and I screwed it up :( | 02:10 |
| Elleo | on the train I was trying to come up with a bug report that only used words starting with the letter t | 02:10 |
| special | iirc we had an internal bug report about it for awhile, but it was eventually closed since nobody could reproduce it. | 02:13 |
| covox | "the trouble typing T totally taints this" | 02:13 |
| Elleo | heh | 02:14 |
| covox | (I fell over at finding a T word to describe a mobile device) | 02:14 |
| covox | TELEPHONE | 02:14 |
| covox | goddamnit | 02:14 |
| Elleo | hah | 02:14 |
| special | haha | 02:15 |
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| Sidde | vanadis: mine was in "shipping" for almost 2 weeks. Helsinki to Stockholm to Paris to Stockholm and because fedex does not exist this far up north. The Swedish Postal service took over and delivered it to my door. | 06:34 |
| Sidde | vanadis: do you have a tracking number you could check at fedex where your package is | 06:34 |
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| Sidde | vanadis: but it took almost a week before the status "shipping" was linked to a tracking id | 06:36 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: ohar, where are you? | 08:14 |
| Yaniel | hmm? | 08:16 |
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| Nicd- | ohjelmistoarkkitehtuurit | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:16 |
| Yaniel | tietorakenteet | 08:18 |
| Yaniel | mornin Stskeeps | 08:18 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: meh | 08:18 |
| Nicd- | vegai: wat | 08:18 |
| vegai | it's an architec.... ahh nevermind | 08:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning everybody | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | what are you saying vegai? | 08:19 |
| vegai | nothing that makes sense | 08:20 |
| * AL13N_work slaps some sense into vegai with a sailfish | 08:20 | |
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| atlaz | Fight boys, and i'll give you tobacco | 08:21 |
| Kiranos_ | Sidde: so they deliver the phone to the door? | 08:22 |
| atlaz | Old finnish proverb | 08:22 |
| Kiranos_ | ugh I hate that | 08:22 |
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| vegai | whoa, they're pretty. http://cdn-imgs-mag.aeon.co/images/2013/02/sailfish-mexico.jpg | 08:24 |
| vegai | and sharp | 08:24 |
| suosaaski | and fast | 08:25 |
| vegai | even prettier http://someinterestingfacts.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sailfish.jpg | 08:25 |
| vegai | aye | 08:25 |
| suosaaski | 110km/h | 08:25 |
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| Nicd- | ooh, I can see *two* jolla users right this moment | 08:32 |
| AL13N_work | wat? | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | this is a new record | 08:32 |
| AL13N_work | 110km/h ... under water? | 08:32 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: ? | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: at class | 08:32 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | the other one is on IRC | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | look here! | 08:33 |
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| Hartzi | wut | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | seems he's not on this channel :( | 08:42 |
| AL13N_work | hahaha | 08:46 |
| vanadis | Sidde, unfortunately i don't have a fedex-tracking number | 08:47 |
| AL13N_work | Nicd-: have you tried #sailfishos ? | 08:47 |
| Nicd- | I don't want to spam | 08:47 |
| vanadis | Sidde, i already tried the track-by-reference function at fedex.com | 08:48 |
| pdanek | vanadis: you can track by reference | 08:48 |
| pdanek | by order number | 08:48 |
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| Sidde | Kiranos_: yes, with no phone call first. So i missed the first 2 delivery dates | 08:53 |
| Kiranos_ | Sidde: around which time did you get the package? | 08:53 |
| Kiranos_ | might have to order to work | 08:53 |
| Kiranos_ | to door is good for company mail not personal :P | 08:54 |
| Kiranos_ | sweden doesnt have house wifes | 08:54 |
| ln- | *wives | 08:54 |
| Kiranos_ | .. | 08:54 |
| Pnuu | Kiranos_: I hate when companies don't tell what kind of delivery they use | 08:54 |
| Pnuu | so I've ended up ordering most stuff to work | 08:54 |
| Sidde | Kiranos_: Posten (the swedish postal service) tried between 9 and 10 every day | 08:56 |
| Sidde | and because it was a fedex package i had no means to make contant with the delivery man... | 08:57 |
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| Sidde | so i had to work from home | 08:57 |
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| tango_ | hm apparently you can't get out of the "select wlan" thingie | 08:58 |
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| Kiranos_ | Sidde: ok thanks looks like I'll be sending it to work. Probably even more expensive for jolla to ship it as that aswell.. | 09:01 |
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| Kiranos_ | Pnuu: yea packages from other contries is often good to send to work | 09:01 |
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| netzvieh | is there a way to mark multiple emails read or is this an upcoming feature? | 09:47 |
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| FireFly | Nicd-: is that including or excluding yourself? | 10:01 |
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| artemma | Anybody wanted to share excitement about Jolla to friends, but too embarrassed of some problem, so don't dare to have a demo? Share at https://together.jolla.com/question/15102/what-is-most-embarrassing-in-your-jolla-device-what-makes-you-not-show-it-to-your-friends-if-anything-really-the-top-things-no-minor-issues/ and let's figure out the top things | 10:31 |
| artemma | no minor stuff, so "own usage" stuff, only things that are preventing you from even demoing to your friends (possibly you have zero such issues) | 10:32 |
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| Nicd- | FireFly: excluding | 10:37 |
| micko_ | has anyone browsed jolla over usb with kde and dolphin? I installed everything related to mtp, but that only got device notificator to notice jolla. Still can't browse it | 10:39 |
| micko_ | I'm running gentoo so if the problem most likely is because of myself, but I'm just checking if it's more common | 10:39 |
| suosaaski | So... a coworker has a weird issue (probably a setting?) with Jolla. He gets email occasionally with like 6 pictures. And the email-app decides to randomly download a few of them to gallery? | 10:43 |
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| micko_ | same here | 10:47 |
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| pawky|3 | Is it just me or is the mail client a bit buggy? When wanting to read recieved mail you swipe right to either only get a blank white page, or extremely tiny characters that, when you zoom in, just locks like a low res picture... :-( | 11:08 |
| pawky|3 | It's not always though... | 11:08 |
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| pawky|3 | When getting a white page, one has to swipe left again, choose mail and swipe right and you get the mail. If however you get the low res picture variation, you are lost beyond hope... | 11:09 |
| yanoo | it's a known bug AFAIK | 11:10 |
| yanoo | yeah | 11:11 |
| pawky|3 | yanoo: great to hear | 11:11 |
| yanoo | https://together.jolla.com/question/1388/bug-clicking-on-email-notification-opens-blank-e-mail/ | 11:11 |
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| pawky|3 | yanoo: and the other variation of tiny font, and when zooming in, a tiny font zoomed in? :) | 11:11 |
| pawky|3 | It seems to only happen with mail polled from an exchange server | 11:12 |
| yanoo | uh, I don't know, didn't have such problem. Check on together.jolla.com ;) | 11:12 |
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| Kiranos_ | yanoo: nice thread! | 11:25 |
| Kiranos_ | praise is not as important for the device to grow than recogize the failures/issues | 11:26 |
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| CoderCandy | open question, What's your favourite TOH concept? | 11:30 |
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| Nicd- | keyboard + xl battery | 11:31 |
| Kiranos_ | CoderCandy: 90% external keyboard :P | 11:31 |
| Kiranos_ | just like that.. | 11:31 |
| suosaaski | Qwerty. Or perhaps something else that might be a bit similar to this (and apparently actually coming, too) http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-iphone-5s/ | 11:31 |
| Pnuu | CoderCandy: hmm, I think I'd go for eInk display | 11:31 |
| CoderCandy | yeah, my top one is hw kbd as well | 11:32 |
| CoderCandy | but the oled/eink displays are awesome! | 11:32 |
| suosaaski | for those cases with cover it is kinda interesting since it would not make the device much thicker as it would replace the other half | 11:32 |
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| CoderCandy | Yeah, I wonder how manufacturing of OH will work, and if I can get my beloved åäö on the OH keyboard... | 11:34 |
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| suosaaski | Just waiting for a lastucase for Jolla (even though I don't have a Jolla). If they make one, of course... ;) | 11:35 |
| atlaz | Well... with Jolla being a finnish company would assume that the most users would be from Finland | 11:35 |
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| CoderCandy | Well since I'm from sweden I usually assume everyone thinks that the world onlt consists of the US | 11:38 |
| CoderCandy | only* | 11:38 |
| CoderCandy | I phrased that in a really bad way... | 11:38 |
| atlaz | Yeah, but since most of the phones users are in the nordic countries, one would assume that the manufacturers of the TOHs and other stuff would build the things for the environment of where the most users are | 11:39 |
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| suosaaski | I wonder how much thicker the Jolla would be with a qwerty, though... | 11:39 |
| Pnuu | suosaaski: me too | 11:40 |
| pawky|3 | like tne N900 i presume | 11:40 |
| pawky|3 | maybe one could create a Windows RT like keyboard :-) | 11:40 |
| pawky|3 | as a cover :-) | 11:40 |
| Skorpy | wouldn't work with such a small device | 11:41 |
| pawky|3 | well, if the screen keyboards work, then surely a cover one will do even better... | 11:41 |
| Pnuu | the hwkb should be useable with thumbs while holding the phone | 11:41 |
| Skorpy | yea | 11:41 |
| pawky|3 | Pnuu: good point | 11:41 |
| suosaaski | speaking of which, it is a surprisingly "ok" keyboard (Surface Touch, that is) | 11:41 |
| Skorpy | I agree | 11:41 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: I agree... | 11:41 |
| pawky|3 | :-D | 11:41 |
| pawky|3 | Wish I had it on my samsung | 11:42 |
| atlaz | Before i want the HWKB i'd really like for horizontal-mode-typing | 11:42 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: ?but you can already... | 11:42 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: I wish I had one for my iPad, but... not exactly like it, surface with keyboard is unusable when on lap | 11:43 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: in the terminal that is... | 11:43 |
| atlaz | pawky|3: yeah but typing messages and browsing | 11:43 |
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| pawky|3 | suosaaski: I agree.. but who works with computers in ones lapp for longer times? | 11:43 |
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| suosaaski | well, for example when traveling with a train. | 11:47 |
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| Pnuu | or sitting on a sofa | 11:47 |
| pawky|3 | Bad ergonomics... | 11:47 |
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| suosaaski | I often sit on a sofa and use my ipad :) | 11:48 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: with keyboard? | 11:48 |
| suosaaski | no, don't have a keyboard, the touch keyboard is also "ok" and I have gotten used to it :) | 11:48 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: There you go then... :-D | 11:49 |
| suosaaski | I would like to have a keyboard, though, just haven't found a good one. The biggest problem being that most keyboards have replaced the esc key with home key | 11:49 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: cannot be to hard to patch... | 11:49 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: in the os... | 11:50 |
| suosaaski | not planning on jailbraking my ipad ;) | 11:50 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: you should | 11:50 |
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| suosaaski | nah. | 11:50 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: or else you are a slave under whatever will be provided... | 11:51 |
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| suosaaski | touch keyboard is fine on the ipad mini. With a larger tablet it gets uncomfortable as I should switch away from typing with my thumbs. | 11:51 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Getting root, and reflashing things are the first thing I do on all my gadgets... | 11:51 |
| atlaz | *destroying my warranty is the first... | 11:52 |
| narchie | muh | 11:52 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: well, I doubt any company really would like to try that one in court.. | 11:52 |
| suosaaski | ipad works nice enough without a jailbreak to make it worth it. | 11:52 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: where I live at least... | 11:52 |
| pawky|3 | You need to control your gadgets | 11:53 |
| pawky|3 | thats one of the reasons why I support Jolla | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | first thing I did with my ipod was to jailbreak it | 11:53 |
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| pawky|3 | Nicd: way to go :-) | 11:53 |
| suosaaski | there really is nothing that I need that I would benefit from if it was jailbroken. | 11:53 |
| atlaz | Only reason i've rooted and flashed my devices is because the manufacturer doesn't provide updates anymore | 11:54 |
| atlaz | haven't really had a reason before that | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | I did it because I wanted last.fm scrobbling live | 11:54 |
| pawky|3 | first thing I did with my samsung Note, my HTC, my Samsung Ativa, my HP iPAQ 4500, Asus TF101.... | 11:54 |
| tj____ | is there any plans to improve the browser in jolla in upcoming updates? the fact that it always reloads the page in a tab after switching to another tab and then back to the original tab instead of keeping it in the cache makes it pretty much useless for me.. running the android firefox here.. | 11:54 |
| Pnuu | tj____: yes | 11:55 |
| atlaz | tj____: there has to be | 11:55 |
| atlaz | It's by far the worst browser ever | 11:55 |
| atlaz | It's like IE6 but with "tabs" | 11:55 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/tags:roadmap/page:1/ | 11:55 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: nah, not the worst.... | 11:55 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: I understand why some do it, I just want it to work day in, day out. | 11:55 |
| Pnuu | browser is there atleast twice | 11:55 |
| CoderCandy | I dont buy apple products at all :p | 11:55 |
| tj____ | Pnuu, cool | 11:56 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: rooting them, or replacing with linux, will not change this need.. | 11:56 |
| CoderCandy | I acknowledge that they objectively make good products | 11:56 |
| pawky|3 | CoderCandy: I second that... if not replacing it with linux OS | 11:56 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: but it does not benefit me, either :) | 11:56 |
| CoderCandy | but I sacrifice the privilege of using them.cause of ideological reasons | 11:56 |
| Pnuu | tj____: but install webcat from the store, native browser | 11:56 |
| pawky|3 | Wherever I go, other OSes goes out the windows, Linux get in :-D | 11:56 |
| suosaaski | you are too picky :) | 11:57 |
| narchie | linux ipad | 11:57 |
| CoderCandy | hehe, same here, except on my gaming desktop | 11:57 |
| atlaz | suosaaski: you're looking for the word "fanatic" | 11:57 |
| suosaaski | windows, linux, osx, ios, wp, meego, sailfish, android... everything welcome by me as long as it works :) | 11:57 |
| pawky|3 | CoderCandy: I don't do gaming, but I do understand the dilemma | 11:57 |
| CoderCandy | (that might change if valve manages to shift the industry) | 11:58 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Hell no, only OS'es where you have control.. or else no security.. | 11:58 |
| CoderCandy | well this is my stop, see you around guys! | 11:59 |
| suosaaski | currently we have (at home) two iphones, two ipads, one android tablet, one windows 8.1 tablet, one osx desktop and one windows 8.1 + linux laptop :) | 11:59 |
| pawky|3 | CoderCandy: cheers | 11:59 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: well, then you will have quite a bit of work infront of you, replacing them all with a solid OS... :-) | 12:00 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: they are all solid :) | 12:00 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Hardware wise, might be, but I am talking about OS here... and as long as you mention Windows, solid is a no can do.. | 12:01 |
| suosaaski | well, the android one is a bit... ummm... toy-ish, but usable. | 12:01 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: The very one having a linux kernel.. | 12:01 |
| sremes | unless you audit the source code of all software that you use, I don't really see the difference | 12:01 |
| * KaIRC wants a 100% open/free-as-in-speech mobile OS - but that will be a dream for still a while to come, given all the binary/non-open drivers that devices still require | 12:02 | |
| pawky|3 | sremes: Well have a go at it with microsoft code.. | 12:02 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: yes indeed. So the kernel does not do anything to it. (did you not notice that the laptop also has linux?) | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | sremes: the difference is if you trust a company or a community | 12:02 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd-: I'll go for community | 12:02 |
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| suosaaski | thinking of changint that windows tablet and laptop to a newer model windows tablet that might do the job of both. | 12:03 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: No way on earth I will ever have any Windows machine running in my house, no matter whom might own it.. | 12:04 |
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| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Or, microsoft product that is.. | 12:04 |
| suosaaski | I have tried finding a solid OS for a Fujitsu Q550 at work, but that is just not gonna happen. It is just too shit. No Linux has ever ran smoothly on it. Neither has Windows 8(.1). Android is crap too. Maybe it would be better to just burn the damn thing :) | 12:04 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Debian :-) | 12:05 |
| sremes | pawky|3, Nicd-: well, there is of course the point, whether it's possible to do the auditing, or who can do it. and for the record, I also prefer linux where I can | 12:05 |
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| suosaaski | pawky|3: nah, it would have to have a usable touch UI. Ubuntu ran like shit on it. | 12:05 |
| pawky|3 | sremes: The community can :-) | 12:05 |
| krnlyng | i am porting mupen64plus to sailfish, does anybody want to write a simple gui for it :)? | 12:05 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Android.. | 12:06 |
| suosaaski | so shit that when I tried changing to another, lighter, ui on it, I gave up cos it was too slow :) | 12:06 |
| suosaaski | pawky|3: it currently has android. | 12:06 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Then root it, and be free :-) | 12:06 |
| chem|st | o/ | 12:07 |
| suosaaski | rooting won't do anything for it. The hardware is just crap. | 12:07 |
| suosaaski | I think I tried everything there is to try and that might be worth trying. | 12:07 |
| suosaaski | maybe xubuntu or lubuntu might be ok, but I highly doubt they are "touch friendly" | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | wait till you can put sailfish on it :) | 12:08 |
| suosaaski | Nicd-: I was waiting for it, actually, but seems no-one wants to even try :) | 12:08 |
| suosaaski | Then again, running Sailfish on my Dell Latitude 10 might actually be a nice experience, if it worked without issues. | 12:09 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd-: Sailfish on my Samsung Note would be great! if it also means one will be able to put in Alien Dalvik... | 12:09 |
| suosaaski | well, not mine actually, it is from work. | 12:09 |
| suosaaski | but still. | 12:10 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: First thing I did at work, threw out the crapy pre installed windows on the machine and put in openSUSE.. | 12:10 |
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| suosaaski | we run mainly windows at work. Almost all linux installs are more of "lab" installs than production. | 12:11 |
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| pawky|3 | suosaaski: Well, if they want my services, then Linux it is... | 12:14 |
| suosaaski | probably don't want, then :) | 12:15 |
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| tj____ | Pnuu, tried webcat, looks promising but doesn't seem to support http basic auth | 12:22 |
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| tj____ | but a lot of activity in the store/app department since last time i checked (a couple of weeks ago), looks really great | 12:23 |
| till | can someone tell me if it's possible to start an apk via fingerterm? | 12:23 |
| pawky|3 | till: I believe you can just use the file browser for that... | 12:24 |
| Jope | look at the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ for clues | 12:24 |
| till | thx | 12:24 |
| tj____ | till, xdg-open /path/to/file ? | 12:24 |
| Jope | xdg-open will install it | 12:24 |
| Jope | the question was about running them? | 12:25 |
| till | yes, i want to run an android application from shell | 12:25 |
| pawky|3 | Jope: you don't really 'run' them, do you? | 12:25 |
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| Jope | yep, to be precise - you don't run the actual apk itself | 12:25 |
| Jope | there is a script that is used to start them | 12:26 |
| pawky|3 | wont, pkcon also install apk files? | 12:26 |
| Jope | the desktop files hold the answer | 12:26 |
| Jope | pkcon will not | 12:26 |
| Jope | as far as I remember | 12:26 |
| pawky|3 | Jope: most package managers will... | 12:26 |
| till | seems i need "apkd-launcher path-to-apk path-to-main | 12:27 |
| till | " | 12:27 |
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| nadriel | Is there a date set for the January update? | 12:30 |
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| suosaaski | http://www.insmat.fi/fi/tuotteet/matkapuhelintarvikkeet/kotelot-suojalaukut/tuote/650-2088_exclusive-flip-case-for-jolla-phone-black anyone have any idea what that is like? | 12:35 |
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| nadriel | suosaaski: It's not even in their store yet. | 12:53 |
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| suosaaski | nadriel: nope. And that states availability for February. | 12:58 |
| suosaaski | Also waiting for the Lastu case. | 12:58 |
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| nadriel | What's that? | 12:58 |
| suosaaski | http://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-iphone-5s/ there's the iphone model | 12:59 |
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| suosaaski | and maybe a Jolla version is on the way :) | 12:59 |
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| Kiranos_ | whats special about that nothing more than a case? | 13:02 |
| nadriel | Look is premium at least. : ) Itegrated to the TOH would be nice. | 13:02 |
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| suosaaski | Kiranos_: looks nice, and... maybe... just maybe... they are designing a case in co-operation with Jolla :) Who knows... :) | 13:02 |
| nadriel | Or replacing TOH with some solution. | 13:02 |
| Kiranos_ | yea user base for them to do jolla I bet is really slim at best | 13:03 |
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| jayki | hello :) | 13:03 |
| atlaz | I wonder if you could build a TOH flip case what would power on the screen when the front cover is flipped open | 13:04 |
| suosaaski | Kiranos_: Finnish company, as is Jolla. And maybe I heard something, maybe not ;) | 13:04 |
| atlaz | Then again, i enjoy the envious looks i get when i double tap my phone to turn the screen on | 13:04 |
| suosaaski | I personally have that iPhone case and I quite like it. | 13:05 |
| Kiranos_ | suosaaski: nice! hopefully you've heard something! :D | 13:05 |
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| suosaaski | Kiranos_: I hope so too. :) | 13:06 |
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| jayki | Somebody has an idea whats happening with my Phone? This screenshot is directly after a factory reset: https://together.jolla.com/upfiles/13896624923871743.png :( | 13:34 |
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| roboro | for anyone thinking about a flip case for the jolla.. it would be nice to have a camera lens protector like the old n900 one... something you can slide open and shut.... | 13:35 |
| roboro | ideally... if built into TOH... the lens protector could be used to trigger opening the camera app or something like that | 13:35 |
| jayki | i like your idea ;) | 13:36 |
| vegai | jayki: what's the problem there? | 13:36 |
| vegai | or did you just get a shell after a factory reset? :P | 13:36 |
| jayki | My SPace is full, directly after a factory reset | 13:36 |
| vegai | ah, that | 13:37 |
| jayki | i just can't do the update or something... it's full -.-. | 13:37 |
| vegai | can you do du | sort -n | 13:37 |
| jayki | jep | 13:37 |
| jayki | have a look here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1406578 | 13:37 |
| jayki | there i did some things ;) | 13:37 |
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| jayki | du | sort -n gives me "[root@localhost ~]# du | sort -n | 13:38 |
| jayki | 24 " | 13:38 |
| vegai | huh, is jolla / btrfs? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:38 |
| vegai | jayki: you ran that in root's home dir? | 13:38 |
| vegai | perhaps du / | sort -n | 13:39 |
| vegai | Stskeeps: huh. TIL. | 13:39 |
| jayki | sorry :D | 13:39 |
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| jayki | now it's running ;) | 13:39 |
| jayki | i think this will take some time... | 13:39 |
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| AL13N_work | btrfs filesystem du / | 13:40 |
| AL13N_work | might take less time | 13:40 |
| jayki | okay ;) will do this, too | 13:40 |
| vegai | sailfish is like a magpie technologist's wet dream | 13:41 |
| jayki | http://pastebin.com/T1TKAGJb cut this a bit | 13:41 |
| jayki | btrfs filesystem du / don't work | 13:42 |
| jayki | btrfs filesystem: unknown token 'du' | 13:42 |
| jayki | i think with btrfs filesystem only df is possible ;) | 13:43 |
| vegai | that command without "du" :) | 13:43 |
| vegai | or wait, nevermind. | 13:43 |
| vegai | no idea what btrfs takes as parameters, disregard | 13:43 |
| jayki | okay :D | 13:45 |
| jayki | i just don't have any idea what this is.... | 13:45 |
| jayki | the space is full, but there are no big files :( | 13:45 |
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| jayki | maybe the factory-reset image/snapshot is faulty here? | 13:46 |
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| AL13N_work | btrfs has 2 commands for diskusage | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | df and something else | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | i forgot | 13:53 |
| jayki | maybe show? but i think this is not disk usage | 13:54 |
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| jayki | [root@localhost /]# btrfs filesystem show | 13:55 |
| jayki | Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 0f8a2490-53ed-4ff6-ba34-b81df3430387 | 13:55 |
| jayki | Total devices 1 FS bytes used 13.08GB | 13:55 |
| jayki | devid 1 size 13.75GB used 13.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 13:55 |
| AL13N_work | yes, show | 13:55 |
| Raim | this might explain some things: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Why_are_there_so_many_ways_to_check_the_amount_of_free_space.3F | 13:55 |
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| AL13N_work | jayki: well, if you are out of disk space, you could add a device to the / with a btrfs filesystem on your µSD | 13:56 |
| jayki | yes i could, but i'm out of disk space right after a factory reset | 13:56 |
| jayki | before, i had 10gigs free space | 13:56 |
| jayki | and i think normally a factory-reset should just erase everything | 13:57 |
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| AL13N_work | doesn't it keep the vault? | 13:57 |
| AL13N_work | factory reset should remove the snapshot and make a new one as a snapshot of the factory_reset snapshot | 13:58 |
| AL13N_work | iinm | 13:58 |
| AL13N_work | unless factory reset is writable, i don't see how this happens | 13:58 |
| jayki | do you know where the snapshot is located? | 13:59 |
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| jayki | i mean the factory-reset snapshot for recovery | 13:59 |
| jayki | my idea is just, that this image is faulty | 14:00 |
| AL13N_work | btrfs filesystem list ? | 14:00 |
| AL13N_work | or something | 14:00 |
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| AL13N_work | btrfs subvolume list | 14:00 |
| AL13N_work | jayki: you know, try "btrfs help" | 14:00 |
| javispedro | I guess you want 'btrfs subvolume list /' | 14:01 |
| jayki | okay i'll try | 14:01 |
| javispedro | but this is "you may really brick the device" territory, and you need root. | 14:01 |
| jayki | hmmm | 14:01 |
| Sidde | jayki: the old backups is in /home/nemo/.vault i think | 14:01 |
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| jayki | btrfs subvolume list / | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 259 gen 27814 top level 5 path @swap | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 264 gen 27578 top level 5 path factory-@ | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 265 gen 27579 top level 5 path factory-@home | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 280 gen 25096 top level 5 path rec-20140114_002326_@ | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 281 gen 25092 top level 5 path rec-20140114_002326_@home | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 294 gen 25332 top level 5 path rec-20140114_013410_@ | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 295 gen 25331 top level 5 path rec-20140114_013410_@home | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 300 gen 27871 top level 5 path @ | 14:02 |
| jayki | ID 301 gen 27814 top level 5 path @home | 14:02 |
| AL13N_work | jayki: check how much space each take | 14:02 |
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| AL13N_work | see where your all your space has gone to | 14:03 |
| tbr | jayki: keep in mind, that if the device stops booting, then you need to RMA it and messing with btrfs can lead to that. | 14:03 |
| AL13N_work | the rec- could be something | 14:03 |
| tbr | I'd like to hear from a sailor familiar with this what to do. e.g. Aard might know | 14:03 |
| jayki | hmmm this not sounds really god :( | 14:04 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: just checking doesn't hurt (if the snapshots are set readonly) | 14:04 |
| AL13N_work | it looks to me that there are 2 system backups | 14:04 |
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| javispedro | tbr: I suspect it's already a miracle it's booting with full rootfs | 14:04 |
| jayki | i think this too it's just checking | 14:04 |
| Aard | tbr: ? | 14:04 |
| jayki | yes it's booting with full space | 14:05 |
| AL13N_work | if you really don't need anything, i'd remote the rec-* subvolumes | 14:05 |
| AL13N_work | *remove | 14:05 |
| jayki | how to do that? | 14:05 |
| AL13N_work | btrfs subvolume commands | 14:05 |
| Sidde | looks like others have similar problems too: https://together.jolla.com/question/14633/bug-factory-reset-no-storage-left/ | 14:05 |
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| AL13N_work | there's probably a delete or something | 14:05 |
| javispedro | Aard: see above, jayki is experiencing no free space on / after "restore device to factory" | 14:05 |
| jayki | this is my thread | 14:05 |
| Sidde | ah, it's you :D | 14:05 |
| AL13N_work | jayki: just don't miss | 14:05 |
| Aard | where do those rec-* snapshots come from? | 14:06 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: this is not something that system backup does? | 14:06 |
| AL13N_work | i assumed such | 14:06 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: no, we currently don't create snapshots. it's on todo-list to do that | 14:06 |
| jayki | i tryed to factory reset with the recovery boot, too | 14:06 |
| AL13N_work | since btrfs is COW, having snapshots will take considerable space | 14:07 |
| jayki | i think this comes from that | 14:07 |
| AL13N_work | aaah, recovery boot | 14:07 |
| AL13N_work | that might be it | 14:07 |
| Aard | the volumes which should be there are @swap factory-@ factory-@home @ and @home | 14:07 |
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| jayki | so i can delete the others? | 14:08 |
| Aard | yes | 14:08 |
| AL13N_work | just don't miss | 14:08 |
| AL13N_work | keep in mind that space deallocation on btrfs might take a while (it's in the background) | 14:08 |
| jayki | okay | 14:09 |
| jayki | i will delete them now, except of the @swap factory-@ factory-@home @ and @home | 14:09 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: btw: if you do use snapshots for backup thing, or whatnot, keep a close eye on the disk usage of those | 14:10 |
| jayki | i just don't use it | 14:11 |
| jayki | but | 14:11 |
| AL13N_work | there's the atime duplication thing... and i'm not sure if 3.4 kernel has the mark snapshot as readonly thing | 14:11 |
| jayki | deleting them failed with "error accessing" | 14:11 |
| AL13N_work | jayki: are you in recovery mode right now? | 14:11 |
| jayki | no, i'm on ssh with fully booted | 14:11 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder what's using them | 14:11 |
| Aard | jayki: mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/ | 14:12 |
| jayki | now there are on /mnt | 14:12 |
| jayki | so i can delete? | 14:12 |
| jayki | with rm | 14:12 |
| jayki | ? | 14:12 |
| Aard | then you have the btrfs volume containing the snapshots mounted in /mnt, and can use the btrfs commands requiring the snapshots available | 14:12 |
| AL13N_work | aah | 14:12 |
| Aard | btrfs subvolume delete? | 14:13 |
| jayki | okay | 14:13 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't know you needed to have them mounted to delete them | 14:13 |
| jayki | i did tghis before mounting them | 14:13 |
| jayki | try again ;) | 14:13 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: it's an additional failsafe to avoid from users accidentally killing it | 14:13 |
| AL13N_work | ok, fair enough | 14:13 |
| jayki | now it's deleting :) | 14:13 |
| AL13N_work | Aard: btw: the factory-@* subvolumes, are they marked readonly? i don't know if the 3.4 kernel actually had that | 14:14 |
| Aard | AL13N_work: no, they're not | 14:14 |
| jayki | jep there writaable | 14:14 |
| AL13N_work | that's too bad | 14:15 |
| AL13N_work | the atime thing might be responsible for this issue | 14:15 |
| * AL13N_work hopes to having a newer kernel some time later | 14:16 | |
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| jayki | so i've sucessfully deletet the rec snapshots | 14:16 |
| jayki | can i reboot now? | 14:16 |
| pawky|3 | Am I the only one using the Jolla as my one and only phone? | 14:16 |
| ballock | pawky|3: no, I'm the other one ;) | 14:16 |
| pawky|3 | ballock: Tricky, isn't it? :-) | 14:17 |
| Aard | pawky|3: probably. I'm not using it as only phone. | 14:17 |
| sharpneli | There are 3 of us! | 14:17 |
| * Aard uses more than one :p | 14:17 | |
| jayki | :P | 14:17 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: i do | 14:17 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: jayki: Three... is a crowd :-D | 14:17 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: why have more phones? | 14:17 |
| pawky|3 | Sidde: Due to its beta status.. | 14:18 |
| jayki | so after i deletet the snapshots i still have 11,4gigs used of my 14gigs | 14:18 |
| ballock | worksforme(TM) | 14:18 |
| jayki | maybe the factory-@ or @home are still to big? | 14:18 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: most android phones should be called that too | 14:18 |
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| pawky|3 | Sidde: nah, the apps have matured on android I would say. | 14:19 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: yes. but the phone drivers have not | 14:19 |
| jayki | so.-.. rebooting the phone, let's see if this helped ;) | 14:19 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: most phones have so many different bugs with wifi, battery savings and so on that they are by my definition beta | 14:20 |
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| Sidde | jayki: i hope it works. I've stopped working just to see how this goes | 14:20 |
| pawky|3 | Sidde: Well, I am refering to functionality, not bugs | 14:20 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: ah | 14:20 |
| jayki | thank you guys, it worked :) | 14:20 |
| Sidde | jayki: still 11.4gb used though? | 14:21 |
| jayki | can i post this opn the threads in together and tmo? | 14:21 |
| jayki | no after reboot | 14:21 |
| jayki | its only 1,5gig | 14:21 |
| jayki | thanks :) | 14:21 |
| Sidde | cool | 14:21 |
| * Sidde is back to work | 14:21 | |
| pawky|3 | Sidde: At the moment, I haven't gotten the mail client to fetch mail from hotmail, something the N9 can... | 14:21 |
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| jayki | Aard can i post this on the threads ? | 14:22 |
| jayki | because i think, this could happen to someone else ;) | 14:22 |
| Sidde | pawky|3: yes, mail is an issue... I haven't had time to configure mine yet. But will all the horror stories i don't know if it's even any idea to try | 14:23 |
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| Aard | jayki: you're free to post whatever you want. we (=jolla) don't recommend users to do that, though, as you can get your device ready for care if you mess up | 14:23 |
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| Aard | if you delete the factory-snapshots and then break the device your device is a care case | 14:23 |
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| jayki | okay ;) tanks for your help :) | 14:24 |
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| jayki | i just donÄ't deltet the factory images but the others called "rec" and this worked for me :) | 14:24 |
| jayki | thank you :) <3 | 14:24 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: a care case? | 14:24 |
| Aard | pawky|3: "ship device to us for reflashing. you pay for it, as you broke it yourself" | 14:25 |
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| narchie | so I'm deleting all traces of android from my jolla | 14:25 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: how much will that cost? | 14:25 |
| narchie | finally | 14:25 |
| Aard | narchie: you mean the android runtime, or the hardware adaptation? :p | 14:25 |
| sharpneli | "all traces of android" :D | 14:25 |
| sharpneli | in b4 "This /system/lib is some android crap *DELETE*" :D | 14:26 |
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| atlaz | rm -rf | 14:26 |
| Aard | pawky|3: I have no idea. feel free to break your device and contact care for a quote :) | 14:26 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: dd /dev/null /dev/sda ... | 14:26 |
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| narchie | the runtime ;) | 14:26 |
| javispedro | i also use the jolla as main phone... since yesterday. | 14:27 |
| pawky|3 | javispedro: That makes 5 of us then.. :-) | 14:27 |
| * Aard stopped carrying his n9 around september | 14:28 | |
| narchie | I also carry only my jolla | 14:28 |
| pawky|3 | narchie: 6 then.. | 14:28 |
| narchie | all my previous phones broke right before getting this | 14:28 |
| narchie | so I have no choice not that I'd even want to in this case :) | 14:28 |
| Aard | oh, I sometimes carry a pureview 808. I'd not count that as phone but as compact camera, though | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | by the way, any idea what might be generated the "rec-$timestamp" filesystems jayki was seeing? | 14:30 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: I add to the pool of one and only users... my N9 modem pissed me off that much so I swapped | 14:30 |
| pawky|3 | chem|st: Ok, 7 it is then :-) | 14:31 |
| sledges | javispedro: wild guess: backup? | 14:31 |
| atlaz | I gave my S2 to my wife and use Jolla as my only (private) phone atm | 14:31 |
| atlaz | i've got a Lumia 520 as my work phone | 14:31 |
| javispedro | sledges: backup is supposed to be a .git repo on the-vault | 14:31 |
| javispedro | sledges: a btrfs snapshot would be too "coarse". | 14:31 |
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| chem|st | Aard: will there be something for sdcard in the next update? just wondering if reformatting and getting btrfs to work is worth the hassle | 14:31 |
| javispedro | not allowing any granularity in which data you want to backup. | 14:31 |
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| sledges | brfs snapshots themselves? | 14:33 |
| sledges | rollback points | 14:33 |
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| Aard | chem|st: define 'something' | 14:33 |
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| atlaz | Are we still without a dropbox-client that would automatically upload photos after capturing them? | 14:34 |
| pawky|3 | chem|st: in my opinion, btrfs is a hazzle no matter where you install it.. | 14:34 |
| pawky|3 | (use it) ^ | 14:34 |
| jayki | thank you folks :) i'm off now ;) And you Aard, your the best, if i would met you, i just would buy you 100 beers :D | 14:34 |
| ballock | narchie: my previous phone broke around the time I got my Jolla too | 14:35 |
| jayki | thanks :) | 14:35 |
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| javispedro | sledges: grepping btrfs source doesn't return any hits on "rec-" string | 14:35 |
| Aard | jayki: drop by in helsinki with 100 beers, and make the whole company happy? :p | 14:35 |
| javispedro | oh, maybe btrfs tools. | 14:35 |
| pawky|3 | jayki: wow, thats like €700 of beer... | 14:35 |
| jayki | :p maybe, but thats worth it ;) | 14:35 |
| jayki | i like the support here :) | 14:35 |
| jayki | thank you :) | 14:36 |
| ballock | (I got the package and was mad on my e51 for loosing cellular range and hit it against the floor, even the metal case didn't help it) | 14:36 |
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| atlaz | How many beers for leaking info about the next update? | 14:36 |
| atlaz | for/to | 14:36 |
| atlaz | Aard: you can tell us. We all promise to /clear straight after and delete the logs. | 14:37 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: might be worth a few :-) | 14:37 |
| atlaz | About the next update. Not the amount of beer | 14:37 |
| atlaz | pawky|3: well i know the name of the next update, how many beers can i get for that? | 14:37 |
| Aard | atlaz: we don't do leaks here | 14:37 |
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| pawky|3 | Aard: Is there a point keeping it secret on a beta phone? | 14:38 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: I can hardly see that would stall any sales... | 14:39 |
| atlaz | The next update is gonna be called Naakelijärvi | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | nakkelijärvi | 14:39 |
| Aard | pawky|3: yes, if we hit an unexpected issue and have to revert one or more of the things we said we'll update there's unfortunately a very unpleasant crowd complaining about it | 14:39 |
| atlaz | And Jolla would be the new HTC :) | 14:39 |
| Aard | so, we _are_ confirming/stating stuff that will be in updates in advance, but _only_ if we are 100% sure it'll be part of the update | 14:40 |
| Aard | atlaz: you think? :p | 14:40 |
| chem|st | Aard: will it be usable without altering anything by hand | 14:40 |
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| atlaz | Well that was/is HTC's downfall. Promising updates, then delaying them or skipping them :) | 14:40 |
| Tofe | I've found out an HTC leather case was the perfect size for my Jolla. With a Jolla sticker on the "HTC" logo, it's just fine! | 14:41 |
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| chem|st | Aard: I mean with btrfs on it | 14:41 |
| Aard | chem|st: for btrfs probably not. update3 will only contain minor changes to sd-card handling | 14:41 |
| atlaz | Leak! LEAK! | 14:41 |
| atlaz | EVERYONE /CLEAR | 14:41 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: Well, it's not that people would sue you for reverting things... | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: it's logged already! | 14:42 |
| ballock | sed the logs! | 14:42 |
| pawky|3 | Aard: I believe such info will only make us buyers happy and hopefull :-) | 14:42 |
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| chem|st | Aard: so no change in mounting scripts... is tracker under control in current nightlies? | 14:43 |
| pawky|3 | "The logs, the logs, the logs are on fire... " | 14:43 |
| chem|st | Aard: I will just reformat and do it by hand then... | 14:44 |
| Aard | there are some changes in tracker | 14:44 |
| chem|st | Aard: for some reason it did not loose any content the past 5 days... | 14:44 |
| Aard | and we're preparing other stuff which I hope can go in update4 (though absolutely no promises there) | 14:44 |
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| Aard | atlaz: another leak, the name of the update will _not_ be Naakelijärvi :p | 14:45 |
| chem|st | Aard: I am not looking for promises, I am more looking what you are working atm so I can make up my mind on looking for a fix myself or just waiting for updates | 14:45 |
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| atlaz | Aard: Naakalampi then? I was going for the *järvi | 14:46 |
| Nicd- | Aard: since you're doing finnish names, why not Paska-Avenue for some update? | 14:46 |
| Aard | chem|st: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/tracker/commits/master <- that's the tracker you'll find in update3 | 14:46 |
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| chem|st | Aard: ah already commited :) | 14:47 |
| Aard | Nicd-: there is a naming scheme I follow. I just changed the rules for selecting a bit more complex to make the guessing game which name we'll use next more fun :p | 14:47 |
| atlaz | Aard: Evil. | 14:48 |
| atlaz | I already got my "I UPDATED TO NAAKELIJÄRVI AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT"-t-shirts :( | 14:48 |
| Aard | it's like other companies do with drm. if you figure out the implementation we change it :p | 14:48 |
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| atlaz | Well i guess my webshops next version is gonna be called naakelijärvi then - so i'll have some use for 100 t-shirts :( | 14:49 |
| javispedro | so, does the picture on top of the OS upgrade screen change depending on the version's codename? | 14:49 |
| chem|st | Aard: any news on the longterm stuff? how is the cryptography department? | 14:49 |
| fk_lx | Aard: my guess, the next release won't be a Finnish name, for a change it will be called Hardy Aardy :-P | 14:50 |
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| atlaz | My webshop version naming was once based on Arnold Schwarzenegger movie-titles | 14:51 |
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| Aard | chem|st: still in planning stage. we'll soonish enable ecryptfs in the kernel to enable experimenting, and slowly put more infrastructure pieces in place. no commitment to any date | 14:53 |
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| javispedro | by the way, I don't understand why Alien didn't use e.g. https://github.com/android/platform_system_core/blob/master/sdcard/sdcard.c to kill permissions on /data/sdcard/ | 14:56 |
| * Aard grins | 14:56 | |
| javispedro | if (strcasecmp(node->name, "DCIM") == 0) node->gid = AID_SDCARD_PICS; | 14:58 |
| javispedro | meh, Android is crazy | 14:58 |
| Aard | javispedro: itbaron s one of the things we're working on, but it's not yet releasable | 14:59 |
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| Tofe | How risky is it to add repositories to our Jolla, for example for an update ? | 15:01 |
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| Tofe | Let's say no Core and MW components are impacted, it's on top of it | 15:01 |
| javispedro | was thinking about that | 15:02 |
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| Aard | Tofe: it depends on the software in the repos. there was something recently on one of the open repos which uninstalled core system components | 15:02 |
| javispedro | specially the old maemo problem where if you install a package that depends on a strict version of a "system" package (ie on the maemo metapackage deps) | 15:02 |
| javispedro | and then a SSU comes which replaces/updates/conflicts with this "system" package | 15:03 |
| w00t | javispedro: thankfully, we don't have such metapackages :p | 15:03 |
| javispedro | well, no SSU for you. | 15:03 |
| Aard | if you have additional repos, ideally disable them before doing an update, and enable them again afterwards | 15:03 |
| Tofe | w00t: nooo, uninstally Yandex doesn't have any consequence ;) | 15:03 |
| Aard | javispedro: it was painful in some areas to get the same functionality with pattern, but I'm happy we did :p | 15:03 |
| javispedro | no idea about patterns, but a some point the updater has to decide between | 15:04 |
| javispedro | A) not upgrading B) removing the "offending" user-installed package C) leaving package dep tree broken | 15:04 |
| javispedro | (maemo would do A :) ) | 15:04 |
| javispedro | (well, iirc) | 15:04 |
| Tofe | Aard: ok, well, so let's say it's risky, and each package has to be checked before installing it. | 15:04 |
| Aard | Tofe: yes. if you're worried, wait until around update4, we're putting some more safeguards in place. won'te be a guarantee, but at least should make it harder for 3rd party to nuke basic system packages unless you really want it tot | 15:07 |
| Tofe | Aard: ok, good. Anyway I know there will never an idiot-proof way of updating a modified package tree :) | 15:08 |
| Tofe | +be | 15:08 |
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| javispedro | Tofe: technically you can always just keep removing packages iteratively until it everything works =) | 15:10 |
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| Tofe | javispedro: so, let's begin with systemd..... :p | 15:13 |
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| javispedro | well, I was thinking of removing every package that is found to be "not compatible" with the core packages, | 15:15 |
| Tofe | ah, yes, sure | 15:15 |
| javispedro | but I am also a systemd hater too. | 15:15 |
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| Pnuu | skvark: you should add a second panel to your solar TOH design, should be "easy" by making it a cover/protector for the screen with hinges | 15:16 |
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| atlaz | I miss the good old days of #jollamobile when all the conversation was "hurrdurr..delivery...hurr..christmas...durr...ooh wifi-hotspot". Now it's all unix this and package that and repositarys and commits | 15:23 |
| atlaz | which i don't understand at all | 15:23 |
| zutto | good time to learn how linux works | 15:24 |
| javispedro | atlaz: give it a few more days and you'll be talking about repositories and kernels | 15:24 |
| zutto | join the linux masterrace | 15:24 |
| javispedro | :) | 15:24 |
| atlaz | im just a simple CEO. I have coders who should know these things | 15:24 |
| atlaz | maybe i'll get THEM to irc for me | 15:24 |
| atlaz | and write short memos of whats going on on #jollamobile | 15:25 |
| zutto | if you used linux daily, you'd be alot more effective in all your daily tasks | 15:25 |
| atlaz | what, smoking cigars and hitting on secretaries? | 15:25 |
| zutto | yes | 15:25 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 15:25 |
| mornfall | ... | 15:25 |
| zutto | when they see you using dwm, they're confused and think you're genious | 15:25 |
| zutto | happened with my russian co-worker | 15:25 |
| zutto | he stared at me working for good 5 minutes | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | atlaz: are you CEO of Riot Entertainment, by any chance? | 15:26 |
| zutto | ohh, riot-e | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | are you the ceo of nokia, microsoft or ibm? Surely only historic companies have secretaries | 15:26 |
| zutto | that was hilarious | 15:26 |
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| atlaz | AL13N_work: nah, tiny small company of four persons | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | atlaz: you've seen the movie "Riot-On!" right? | 15:26 |
| atlaz | hell yeah. But im still waiting on investors.... | 15:27 |
| Tofe | atlaz: you, the secretary, the IT guy, and the finance guy ? | 15:27 |
| AL13N_work | atlaz: it's a documentary of a finnish company that had 21million investment, but 1y later were bancrupt | 15:27 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 15:27 |
| zutto | there was another similar company | 15:27 |
| zutto | cant remember the name, gotta google | 15:28 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 15:28 |
| roboro | probably the ceo spent too much time on irc | 15:28 |
| Tofe | snapchat ? | 15:28 |
| AL13N_work | zutto: not _that_ similar | 15:28 |
| AL13N_work | zutto, i can't imagine any second company like that | 15:28 |
| zutto | ah, here we go | 15:28 |
| zutto | http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitboys | 15:28 |
| zutto | quite similar | 15:28 |
| zutto | :P | 15:28 |
| zutto | they didnt party as much as the riot-e guys | 15:29 |
| zutto | but they conned companies just as well as they did | 15:29 |
| zutto | actually even better than riot-e guys did | 15:29 |
| javispedro | so I was on this conference, during the break, talking to a guy some anecdote about a dot com bubble "2013 edition" startup, massage chairs included, that went bankrupt in a year.. | 15:29 |
| atlaz | man, times were easier when the mobile phone games consisted of SMS' | 15:29 |
| AL13N_work | " the entire BitBoys Oy team was acquired by Qualcomm " <--- OMG | 15:29 |
| zutto | AL13N_work: i know right | 15:30 |
| zutto | they played their cards perfectly | 15:30 |
| javispedro | ... this guy answering only with a nervous laughter... | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | and we're using the qualcomm SoC | 15:30 |
| javispedro | was told a few minutes afterwards that this guy was also starting a company and had a bought the massage chair already. | 15:30 |
| zutto | dont worry, that company has nothing to do with those things :D | 15:30 |
| zutto | they probably had qualificactions to make such things, but they were lazy as phuck | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 15:31 |
| AL13N_work | this bitboys did hold out for 15y | 15:31 |
| AL13N_work | quite better than riot-e | 15:31 |
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| AL13N_work | but riot-e is just more glamorous story | 15:31 |
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| AL13N_work | ... and the strippers | 15:31 |
| zutto | yep | 15:32 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 15:32 |
| zutto | i cant do anything but tip my virtual hat for those guys | 15:32 |
| zutto | they were very succesful at what they did | 15:33 |
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| javispedro | I miss the good old days of #jollamobile when all the conversation was "hurrdurr..packages...hurr..commits...durr...ooh repositories". Now it's all CEO this and secretary that and finance and.. | 15:34 |
| zutto | you're repeating yourself javispedro | 15:35 |
| tbr | javispedro: you'll still find that, but on #sailfishos | 15:35 |
| javispedro | hey, it was irony, it's just been minutes since the last discussion about packages and commits | 15:36 |
| javispedro | (ended when someone complained about too many discussions re packages and commits) | 15:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I miss the good olf days of #jollamobile when all the conversation was "hurrdurr.. I miss the old days of...", now it's all repeating this, repeating that, irony this, irony that | 15:37 |
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| javispedro | :D | 15:39 |
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| Sidde | just got home from work and my wifi won't connect to my home network anymore | 15:42 |
| Sidde | anyone having problem reconnecting to a saved network? | 15:42 |
| mornfall | Anyone knows if the "number of apps submitted yesterday" in harbour is a real figure? | 15:42 |
| Yaniel | Sidde: nope | 15:42 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | this company wasnt great succes either: http://www.arcticstartup.com/2012/04/16/fruugo-financials-bankruptcy | 15:43 |
| tbr | Sidde: only heard about that in the context when someone tried to connect to an EAP network before that and it failed | 15:44 |
| Sidde | tbr: just been at work, not open settings meny at all all day | 15:44 |
| Sidde | I works now, switched over to flight mode | 15:44 |
| Yaniel | still waiting for wpa network support though :/ | 15:45 |
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| Sidde | Yaniel: what kind of wpa support? | 15:46 |
| Sidde | i'm using wpa2, it works | 15:46 |
| javispedro | wpa-psk works ;P | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | sorry, I meant EAP | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | (essentially for connecting to eduroam) | 15:46 |
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| mornfall | Yaniel: there's a known workaround for EAP (just dump a conffile to connman's state dir) | 15:47 |
| mornfall | it's on together IIRC | 15:47 |
| mornfall | (the config file) | 15:47 |
| Yaniel | I tried that once but it didn't work | 15:47 |
| Yaniel | I need to try again later when I have time and am in range again | 15:48 |
| mornfall | well, I can check tomorrow, I'll be in eduroam range | 15:48 |
| Yaniel | so will I, the question is if I have time | 15:48 |
| Yaniel | and where would you copy the ca certificate? | 15:49 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ | 15:50 |
| Yaniel | ah, nice | 15:51 |
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| mornfall | Yaniel: eduroam certs should be verifiable from ca-certs, actually | 15:51 |
| mornfall | at least that's the case on my laptop | 15:52 |
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| Jare | does jolla scan for available wifi networks at all in standby? | 16:40 |
| Jare | it seems that it only connects to a known wifi network, when i first wake it up from standby | 16:40 |
| tbr | Jare: that might be a notification that it did that $time ago | 16:41 |
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| Jare | imo connman automatically connects to a service, if a service with auto-connect switched on is in wifi range. So i suspect the scanning part | 16:47 |
| tbr | yes | 16:48 |
| tbr | and the notification is probably just delayed until the display is switched on | 16:48 |
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| Jare | hm, i'll have to try ping/ssh the phone next time then | 16:49 |
| skvark | Pnuu: that's cool idea | 16:53 |
| Pnuu | skvark: :-) | 16:56 |
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| Pnuu | and make it so, that when opened there's a separate thin cloth that can be left against the display and the phone placed display-side down and both panels pointing at the sun | 16:57 |
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| Nicd- | oh yeah, webcat in store | 17:24 |
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| Yaniel | yup | 17:28 |
| Yaniel | seems like a nice upgrade from the stock browser | 17:28 |
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| roboro | yes... good work... I like the default bookmarks :) | 17:32 |
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| deuss | wow | 17:42 |
| deuss | all nicks registered | 17:42 |
| Nicd- | welcome to freenode | 17:42 |
| deuss | what a lovely network yeah | 17:43 |
| attah | i got mine like just a few years ago.. still amazed that it was free, even then | 17:43 |
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| Sidde | why in "hell" is the android environment hardcoded to googles dns servers? | 17:46 |
| Sidde | sponsorship from google? | 17:46 |
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| Yaniel | because, you know, google practically owns android | 17:47 |
| Sidde | Yaniel: but it's not hardcoded in android os ;) | 17:47 |
| Yaniel | hah | 17:47 |
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| Sidde | i can't resolv internal systems because it asks google instead of my local dns servers... | 17:48 |
| roboro | seriously Sidde... can you not set DNS using DHCP on android? | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | isn't there already a workaround on together.* ? | 17:51 |
| Eztran | Probably https://together.jolla.com/question/2780/sailfish-and-android-apps-using-different-dns/ | 17:52 |
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| Sidde | Stskeeps: not very nice on. Drop all packages to 8.8.8.8 and use some secondary dns | 17:52 |
| Sidde | roboro: the android env. does not use your local dns settings | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm. | 17:52 |
| roboro | I just saw the link... :( | 17:53 |
| Sidde | Stskeeps: that is something you do when hacking devices otherwise locked. | 17:53 |
| roboro | you could do an awful hack on your own network and use iptables to reroute DNS queries to somewhere else | 17:55 |
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| Sidde | roboro: :D | 17:55 |
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| Eztran | There are... other problems with that :) | 17:56 |
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| roboro | hey... it was the best solution I could come up with ;) | 17:56 |
| Sidde | I think i need to do some network analysing. I can't really trust this device anymore | 17:56 |
| roboro | maybe less the device and just the android implementation? | 17:57 |
| Sidde | maybe. hard to know without looking | 17:57 |
| Eztran | Dalvik's the only bit which won't use your DNS, if that's what you mean. | 17:58 |
| roboro | true true... would always be good to see the results of such analysis | 17:58 |
| Sidde | yes, but what else is being sent about my local network to external parties? | 17:58 |
| roboro | I believe there was some comment about using GPS and it phoning home with info | 17:58 |
| Sidde | yes, i think that was about the maps application | 17:59 |
| roboro | but I think that's releated to an app or something... its in the T&C for maps | 17:59 |
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| roboro | if you do any analysis... would be good to see your results posted somewhere... always useful to know what's going on in the background | 18:00 |
| Pnuu | there's connections to jolla.com for testing network availability, iirc | 18:00 |
| roboro | yes to ipv4.jolla.com | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | ipv4.jolla.com and it's so you can get a popup when you have a captive portal instead of getting flooded with "cannot connect to IM accounts" | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | or the likes | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | code is in the open if you'd like to peek | 18:01 |
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| roboro | indeed... this is the thing... if you do network analysis... you may as well do code analysis as well :) | 18:01 |
| Sidde | that is the logical next step when finding something yes | 18:02 |
| roboro | you could sit for a whole month watching network traffic... but miss the annual 'post-passwords-to-jolla' function :D:D:D:D | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | am i the only one having 8.8.8.8 because frankly speaking, my ISP's DNS sucks? and so does my wifi DNS | 18:03 |
| sledges | read between letters: DNSA | 18:04 |
| sledges | :) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | 3,5-Dinitrosalicyclic acid? | 18:04 |
| Sidde | Stskeeps: no internal machines to access? or do you share hosts-files like in the 70s | 18:05 |
| attah | Fudge! Now I too have random reboots :( | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Sidde: i work from home | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | attah: shutdowns or reboots | 18:05 |
| attah | Or rather shutdowns, yes | 18:05 |
| Nicd- | I just use IPs for internal hosts | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | attah: ugh. take out your battery for 10 minutes, put it back in and let it charger over night | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | then if that doesn't work, proceed straight to the goat sacrifice. | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:06 |
| attah | Stskeeps :) | 18:06 |
| Sidde | looks like tcpdump exists as a package on build.merproject.org | 18:06 |
| Quu | attah: glhf. | 18:06 |
| attah | This was the first time I tried going several days between charges (well, I did 2 before), but this is my third since a charge. And I was at 38%. | 18:08 |
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| Pnuu | roboro: just re-enable tohd, no extra reminders needed :-P | 18:09 |
| attah | Stskeeps: have you been spying on me? i use this for lync where I work: http://makemelaugh.com/pics/Whatever-Floats-Your-Goat.jpg | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:13 |
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| anonfriese | humm, my jolla makes about 4-5 days with tohd disabled, no reboots so far... | 18:36 |
| sledges | same here | 18:41 |
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| Quu | would be same without all the random shutdowns | 18:45 |
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| ortylp | no wonder it gets half a week on battery... it just does not connect to any GSM/UMTS Data nor WiFi. It checks email once in three days at the moment i force it to connect to WiFi and do check the email. So... 3 days in these conditions i would get with N9 too. I expect, that if i say, "check email every 30min" then the E-Mail will be checked every 30 minutes, not every 3 days... ech... I am waiting for next up | 18:46 |
| stephg | unicorn? | 18:47 |
| anonfriese | mine does connect to 2g/wifi, though 3g seems to only activate on screen on (im fine with that). push-mail works most of the times, sometimes it needs a manual restart to get working again (had that with my n9 too) | 18:47 |
| ortylp | push-email does not exist on Jolla mail AFAIK | 18:48 |
| anonfriese | mine works :) maybe cause its activesync... | 18:48 |
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| narchie | was there an update just now? | 18:53 |
| attah | 1.0.2.5 playing tricks again? | 18:54 |
| stephg | probably, nothing new here | 18:55 |
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| attah | Is there any word on when a new release might be coming out? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | when it's ready | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:05 |
| Quu | attah: valve-tomorrow | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | in practice we've been shipping what, monthly, so far?? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:06 |
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| Pnuu | for some, it seems to be too slow.. | 19:08 |
| attah | Yeah.. I'm impressed! But still want more.. right now especially QDocumentGalleryModel that's good enough to allow in store.. also working artists on album lists would be neat. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbh i'd be happy with monthly and then having that solid, then seeing if every 14 days is possible to get solid.. | 19:09 |
| stephg | right now I'm just happy :) | 19:09 |
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| Yaniel | Stskeeps: can you tell if 'developer updates' could be something, say archlinux-like rolling-release if/when it eventually works? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's something you should rather pester Aard about | 19:10 |
| Yaniel | Aard: ^ | 19:11 |
| attah | vark? | 19:11 |
| Quu | lets all hilight Aard, just for the fun of it ;) | 19:11 |
| Yaniel | ^ | 19:12 |
| ortylp | on Sunday there was a glitch with 1.0.2.5 wanting to update itself to 1.0.2.5... | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | er ^^ | 19:12 |
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| Yaniel | ortylp: has happened before | 19:12 |
| Aard | Yaniel: you already have rolling release, at least once every monh :p | 19:12 |
| attah | Rather: it happens alot, randomly | 19:12 |
| ortylp | Yaniel: first time for me | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | well, sort of | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | but it is heavily batched :P | 19:13 |
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| Aard | Yaniel: 'developer updates' will mean access to upcoming updates while they are still in qa-phase for registered users | 19:13 |
| Yaniel | I guess that would be what I mean then | 19:14 |
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| Yaniel | does that apply to harbour qa as well or just jolla qa? | 19:14 |
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| Aard | we're still working on the details, both technically and how to qualify for it (as the stuff is only partially qa'd there's a higher risk to break your device we might need to be a bit carful about granting access) | 19:16 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Does lurking in here qualify for it? :D | 19:32 |
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| stephg | ^ good question ;) | 19:33 |
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| slate | I bet the best way to have a chanche to get developer updates is to develop something.. | 20:04 |
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| clau | count me in for devel updates. I'm looking forward to find out more about the conditions. | 20:11 |
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| cvp | ahoi | 20:12 |
| slate | oi | 20:13 |
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| clau | :D | 20:14 |
| ortylp | Aard: what is the coarse estimation for delivery time / priorities of device/$HOME encryption at the moment? how can we help? | 20:14 |
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| ortylp | Aard: I would bet for "low priority", ETA unknown, but maybe you have more detailed info :) | 20:15 |
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| special | ortylp: out of curiosity, what would you want to see used for encryption keying? | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | rot13 \o/ | 20:17 |
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| ortylp | special: password on the lock screen | 20:17 |
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| special | for $HOME, I assume | 20:17 |
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| special | a password for device encryption would be very difficult; there's a huge list of things necessary to get booted far enough to display something on screen and present a keyboard of some kind | 20:18 |
| ortylp | special: I would prefer full-disc-encryption, but $HOME is the next best thing and doable | 20:18 |
| clau | usually the password is used just to protect the key used for encryption | 20:18 |
| ortylp | clau: that is right | 20:19 |
| special | it's not like desktops, where a fairly simple bootloader can display a prompt and accept input.. | 20:19 |
| clau | special, I assume you can boot far enough without home, right? | 20:20 |
| special | probably | 20:20 |
| clau | that would make the home dir encryption scenario doable | 20:20 |
| special | right. | 20:20 |
| clau | which is probably enough for most users anyway | 20:20 |
| clau | it's mostly protection against losing data if the phone is stolen or lost | 20:20 |
| ortylp | clau: you do not need home for anything at boot time, it may even not exist at all | 20:21 |
| clau | typically yes, but I do not know what magics happen in Sailfish :) | 20:21 |
| ortylp | clau: this is exactly the use case for me | 20:21 |
| special | well, it's not *quite* that simple | 20:21 |
| clau | maybe there are services which would really like access to home dir, for indexing and whatever | 20:22 |
| special | for example, if you're displaying a keyboard for password input, you need at least the configured keyboard locale | 20:22 |
| special | so that can't be stored under $HOME | 20:22 |
| special | but it's a managable solution, definitely | 20:22 |
| clau | full disk enc would be very difficult, and still unsafe without some hardware support I suppose | 20:22 |
| clau | I mean, not safer than just home dir enc | 20:23 |
| special | yes. The same is true of encryption with something less than a full text password. | 20:23 |
| ortylp | special: I use full device encryption on android, at boot you get your default keyboard | 20:23 |
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| special | I don't know much about android's implementation. On iOS, there's a chip for key storage | 20:24 |
| ortylp | special: once device booted into lock screen I can get my custom keyboard | 20:24 |
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| clau | TBH, I would rather see better security for apps first. | 20:25 |
| ortylp | $HOME encryption is a standard feature on many Linux distros, so the technology is already pretty well worked out | 20:25 |
| clau | it really bugs me that currently any app can just play with pkcon and at the least remove important packages. | 20:25 |
| clau | or worse, install stuff without my knowledge. | 20:26 |
| ortylp | clau: on Jolla you have absolutely NO security at all, it is even worse than on the desktop | 20:27 |
| clau | yep :( | 20:27 |
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| special | yes, that area needs improvement. | 20:28 |
| clau | this probably happened because the main focus was on getting the UI up and running, to have something to show. | 20:28 |
| ortylp | clau: $HOME encryption is only for the purpose of loosing personal data by physical theft, otherwise if you are not careful enough and install a rogue app, the data gets lost anyway | 20:29 |
| clau | yep | 20:29 |
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| special | (but physical theft is an important case, as anyone who has crossed the US border should be aware) | 20:29 |
| clau | and currently it's quite safe, considering apps are coming from the community | 20:29 |
| ortylp | special: I am not willing to cross that border anyway | 20:30 |
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| clau | special, any chance we will see someday (soon) a roadmap regarding the security? | 20:32 |
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| clau | I think it would make lots of people feel better about it. Many of the owners are geeks, and usually geeks care about security and privacy. | 20:33 |
| special | clau: best advice I can offer is to post on together (or vote and comment on existing posts) and keep discussion going | 20:34 |
| clau | roger that | 20:34 |
| special | it is important. so are a *lot* of things, and we are still not very many people, so | 20:35 |
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| clau | no worries, I'm sure everyone understands the situation. | 20:38 |
| Quu | NO WE DONT!!11oneone | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | none of us likes loosing our devices in a bar and next day all the photos from the jolla sauna are public.. | 20:38 |
| Quu | code faster monkeys | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:38 |
| slate | is that what there happens | 20:39 |
| slate | aww, sweet | 20:39 |
| clau | :D | 20:39 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: so thats what the "business trip" was.. | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: i'm still in finland | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:41 |
| Quu | too bad it didnt get colder than this | 20:42 |
| ortylp | the "encryption" question is at https://together.jolla.com/question/2158/optional-encryption-of-the-device/ | 20:42 |
| clau | Stskeeps, keep on saying words like bar, drinks, sauna... and the number of CV's you receive there will increase fast :P | 20:42 |
| Quu | i mean, -15c is t-shirt weather. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | clau: i'm sure people would like to apply at riot devices, er, i mean jolla | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:42 |
| clau | :D | 20:42 |
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| slate | riot mobile entertainment? | 20:43 |
| * special is craving the office indian food again | 20:43 | |
| AL13N | hmm, the connman config is not quite like http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/tree/doc/config-format.txt | 20:44 |
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| AL13N | slate: :-) | 20:45 |
| slate | anyone tried modding the build.prop file on dalvik-side? | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | in practice we're boring :P | 20:45 |
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| slate | soon Stskeeps will say my device will die. | 20:45 |
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| slate | Stskeeps: the one of you I know alwasys has some interesting stuff to discuss. | 20:46 |
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| slate | :P | 20:46 |
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| slate | damn I typo alot. Better stop writing. | 20:47 |
| Quu | im seriously running out of whiskey :( | 20:47 |
| leinir | i like this alot a lot | 20:48 |
| leinir | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | 20:49 |
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| clau | yeah, languages never change. people used the same english we know one thousand years ago too. :) | 20:51 |
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| leinir | what? i just really like that alot, it's adorable ;) | 20:52 |
| clau | :D | 20:52 |
| clau | though, I must confess I get annoyed about "u", "cuz" and others myself | 20:53 |
| Pnuu | meh | 20:53 |
| Waitee | soz for typin lyk tis | 20:54 |
| Eztran | 'u' isn't so bad, really... it at least actually shortens the word, understandable if you don't type too quickly. The ones which aren't even any shorter or easier to type, though... those annoy me. | 20:54 |
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| clau | :) | 20:54 |
| Quu | pls clau y u so mad bro | 20:55 |
| clau | btw... here's a nice documentary series about language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Planet_Word | 20:55 |
| pahartik | clau: Usually I try to actively ignore messages or articles from author when seeing that | 20:55 |
| clau | yeah, the context is important too | 20:55 |
| Eztran | Presented by Stephen Fry, because, who else? | 20:55 |
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| clau | it's one thing to see it in a context where people want/need to write faster | 20:55 |
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| clau | and another to see it in an article, where the author presumably had some time to write, read, correct and so on | 20:56 |
| clau | Eztran, I take it you don't like the guy? :) | 20:56 |
| Eztran | Those are common contexts these days. Certainly, though, in an article it's pretty painful to see. | 20:56 |
| leinir | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_x5cfdwP98 <-- also a comment on a modern bit of language, brilliantly made :) | 20:57 |
| Eztran | clau: nah, it's just that there aren't many people more appropriate to be presenting a documentary on language. | 20:57 |
| clau | you should see it before making an opinion | 20:58 |
| Eztran | I'm saying it is appropriate, not that it isn't. Apparently my language isn't all that great, for all my complaining :) | 20:59 |
| clau | :D | 21:00 |
| cvp | is some one working on a own cloud client ? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | owncloud.. wasn't there one already? | 21:03 |
| cvp | i see only own notes | 21:03 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/880/owncloud-integration/?answer=885#post-id-885 | 21:05 |
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| cvp | hmm ... no answer | 21:07 |
| Pnuu | that's the closest I've seen | 21:08 |
| clau | https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20130205.txt | 21:10 |
| clau | Jolla has openssl 1.0.1c, which is listed as vulnerable | 21:10 |
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| clau | hopefully one of the next updates will include a newer version of openssl ;) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | i can show you where to contribute :P | 21:13 |
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| clau | hit me :D | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | openssl: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/openssl.git;a=tree , https://review.merproject.org | 21:17 |
| clau | thanks | 21:17 |
| AL13N | about owncloud: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works | 21:18 |
| AL13N | ownNotes at the very least | 21:18 |
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| AL13N | Pnuu: Stskeeps: cvp: ^^ | 21:18 |
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| cvp | AL13N ? :D | 21:36 |
| cvp | have some one time to make me a website ? :D | 21:38 |
| Azog | i am eagerly waiting for gpodder for sailfish | 21:39 |
| AL13N | ? | 21:42 |
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| cvp | ?? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | ?@!$@$@ | 21:45 |
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| AL13N | cvp: i don't understand what you are saying... what is this about a website? | 21:46 |
| ln- | when will there be a native angry birds? (not that i care about it so much, but a lot of people could.) | 21:46 |
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| cvp | need some one what can help me to tune my website :D | 21:46 |
| AL13N | ln-: i'd think you'd need to contact Rovio for that :-) | 21:46 |
| TSCHAKMac | Just got my Jolla phone here in the US. Store app will not launch, so system update can't happen | 21:46 |
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| TSCHAKMac | :( | 21:46 |
| AL13N | cvp: ok, so why are you asking me, and even in this channel? | 21:47 |
| cvp | i dont ask you,i ask some one here :D | 21:47 |
| AL13N | ok, both were unrelated | 21:47 |
| cvp | :( | 21:47 |
| AL13N | though still, this isn't the place for such questions, imho | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | TSCHAKMac: hmm? | 21:48 |
| AL13N | cvp: i was just reacting to your owncloud question | 21:48 |
| TSCHAKMac | Click on Jolla store. Jolla store then shows it's loading in the apps view, then the app tile disappears | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKMac: factory reset, don't install any apps, and make sure you have a jolla account, go to settings -> about product, check for updates, it'll notify of an update available, receive it | 21:48 |
| TSCHAKMac | Stskeeps: ok | 21:48 |
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| cvp | good night@all | 22:32 |
| stephg | niight | 22:32 |
| * stephg is thrilled that xpra is finally usable | 22:32 | |
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| phlixi | good evening | 22:39 |
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| phlixi | I have a 64gb micro sdxc card (and a jolla phone^^). I do not plan to remove the card from the phone. I want to save files larger than 4gb on that card. which file system should i use on that card? | 22:41 |
| Yaniel | btrfs | 22:42 |
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| phlixi | fine | 22:42 |
| phlixi | & thanks ;) | 22:42 |
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| phlixi | how do i get the card btrfs formatted? | 22:43 |
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| stephg | you've enabled developer mode? | 22:47 |
| phlixi | yes, and i have a ssh session open, ready to brick the device ;-) | 22:47 |
| stephg | well mkfs.btrfs /dev/mmcblk1p1 will probably do it | 22:48 |
| stephg | dunno what options you;d want tho | 22:48 |
| phlixi | browsing the filesystem i can see there is /data/sdcard but i guess thats just a folder named that way for alien dalvik | 22:48 |
| stephg | and the automounter currently won't see it | 22:48 |
| phlixi | are there any interesting options? | 22:49 |
| stephg | if it's formatted exFAT then it won't be mounted | 22:49 |
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| stephg | if it's fat32 it'll be automounted at /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 22:49 |
| phlixi | yes, but fat32 does not support large files | 22:49 |
| stephg | if you format it ext4 or btrfs the automount won't see it (hopefully a fix for the former, if not both, will be in the next update) | 22:49 |
| phlixi | and is it possible to have it automatically mounted after reboot if its not (ex/v)fat(32)? | 22:50 |
| stephg | out of the box, currently no, but there is a fixed script kicking around that patches that | 22:51 |
| phlixi | is this the right spot? https://together.jolla.com/answers/3188/revisions/ | 22:52 |
| stephg | yeah that looks about right | 22:53 |
| stephg | right, bed time | 22:54 |
| stephg | good luck phlixi | 22:54 |
| phlixi | thank! | 22:54 |
| phlixi | thanks stephg! and gn8^^ | 22:54 |
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| Turski | would be nice to have f2fs support on jolla | 23:03 |
| Jonni | phlixi: I'm using exfat on my 64GB card, that way I can take it out even on windows machine. | 23:04 |
| Turski | but the kernel is just too old | 23:04 |
| Turski | Jonni: umm, you got it somehow working on jolla? | 23:04 |
| phlixi | Jonni: does it support files larger than 4gb? | 23:04 |
| Turski | yes it does | 23:05 |
| Jonni | Turski: well its as simple as compiling fuse exfat modules, and then calling mount on commandline, and yes supports >4gb files. | 23:05 |
| phlixi | Jonni: what do i have to do in order to have the card mounted after reboot of the jolla phone? | 23:05 |
| Turski | Jonni: that's just ugly :( | 23:05 |
| Turski | (to have to use microsoft's propietary filesystems on linux system) | 23:06 |
| Jonni | well for automount, you either wait for update to arrive, or hack the mounting script manually yourself. I suggest waiting for update | 23:06 |
| phlixi | well, i guess compiling fuse is not simple (for me)^^ | 23:06 |
| Jonni | well yes if compiling is not your cup of tea, then ext4 or btrfs | 23:06 |
| phlixi | (and i do not plan to remove the card from the phone at all once in use, so no need for windows support) | 23:06 |
| Jonni | (I would suggest ext4) | 23:06 |
| Turski | btrfs probably performs better on sd | 23:07 |
| phlixi | why do you suggest ext4? | 23:07 |
| Jonni | because btrfs can sometimes have problems, ext4 is more mature. | 23:07 |
| ln- | does harbour have some kind of moral guidelines/restrictions for content? | 23:08 |
| phlixi | maturity is a good point, i do not need speed (will store mostly flacs there) | 23:08 |
| Jonni | ln-: well adulpt content has a flag, and ofcourse you cannot break laws. | 23:09 |
| Turski | well, root filesystem is btrfs anyway... | 23:09 |
| Jonni | adult even. | 23:09 |
| Turski | i would think jolla think it's stable enough | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | .. do we actually have any adult content in jolla store? | 23:09 |
| ln- | Jonni: that question arised in my mind after reading: http://www.hs.fi/talous/Apple+ja+Google+vetiv%C3%A4t+lapsille+suunnatun+plastiikkakirurgiapelin+kaupoistaan/a1389782267815 | 23:10 |
| * Yaniel hasn't seen any | 23:10 | |
| * Jonni goes and codes a p0rn application.... | 23:10 | |
| phlixi | adult content would be a good selling point compared to the majors^^ (..the internet is for pr0n^^) | 23:10 |
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