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| Slimex | damn it... | 00:07 |
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| Slimex | *sigh* | 00:07 |
| Slimex | reboot loop | 00:07 |
| Turski | what you did? | 00:08 |
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| Slimex | nothing | 00:08 |
| Turski | O_o | 00:08 |
| Slimex | it started out as random shutdowns | 00:08 |
| Turski | ah... maybe corrupted filesystem or something then... | 00:09 |
| Slimex | yep | 00:09 |
| Turski | Slimex: probably good idea to ping Stskeeps tomorrow | 00:09 |
| Slimex | but can't get fastboot to work in W7 or NDIS-driver | 00:09 |
| Slimex | and the only decent linux-machine I have is Raspberry Pi atm... | 00:09 |
| Turski | Slimex: does the emergency reset thing work? | 00:10 |
| Slimex | the what? | 00:10 |
| Slimex | you mean vol down+power? | 00:10 |
| Turski | yeah | 00:10 |
| Slimex | nope... doesn't respond to anything unless without battery and only on usb-cable | 00:10 |
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| Slimex | vol up just gets crazy long vibration and vol down get into fastboot-mode | 00:11 |
| Slimex | gets* | 00:11 |
| Turski | Slimex: well, i hope Stskeeps can help you... | 00:13 |
| Slimex | yep | 00:13 |
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| tbr | pawky: I'm fairly sure it doesn't have a cron daemon, the directory is probably just leftovers from packages that bring crong scripts | 05:07 |
| tbr | pawky: as suggested earlier, look at timed, it can do what you want, I'm fairly sure | 05:09 |
| tbr | pawky: timedclient-qt5 --help | 05:11 |
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| atlaz | Any news on updatedates? | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | when it's ready | 06:26 |
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| pawky|3 | tbr: Ok, systemd will do just as well :-) | 06:29 |
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| pawky|3 | thr: or.... timed... | 06:29 |
| pawky|3 | tbr: ^ | 06:29 |
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| pawky|3 | Will anybody soon make 'less' available to the os? I am going nuts here... :-( | 06:31 |
| special | pawky|3: ssu ar mer-tools | 06:31 |
| special | then pkcon install less | 06:31 |
| pawky|3 | NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 06:32 |
| Pnuu | before install pkcon update might help :-) | 06:32 |
| special | can be ignored | 06:32 |
| Pnuu | or was it refresh.. | 06:32 |
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| pawky|3 | special: oh less my less there thy are, all is not lost... B-) | 06:35 |
| special | pawky|3: the first thing I install after a reflash, every time :p | 06:36 |
| pawky|3 | how about strings? | 06:36 |
| pawky|3 | great for finding 'subliminal' messages in those binaries ;-) | 06:37 |
| special | should already be there? | 06:38 |
| special | ah, not installed, but available | 06:38 |
| pawky|3 | special: I thought so to... :-( | 06:38 |
| special | binutils | 06:38 |
| pawky|3 | Could one use perl to create a gui app on sailfish? | 06:39 |
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| pawky|3 | ahh, there you are, my 'strings' of hope, gosh I love this phone 8-) | 06:40 |
| FireFly | :D | 06:40 |
| special | if you could find a way to get perl to show a wayland window in a way compatible with lipstick, it's possible | 06:41 |
| special | the python/qt stuff does work | 06:41 |
| pawky|3 | special: so, nobody has written any wayland wrapper thus... :-( | 06:41 |
| special | I didn't know anyone was crazy enough to write GUIs in perl :) | 06:42 |
| pawky|3 | The only way to go, if you want your code to be left alone... ;-) | 06:42 |
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| pawky|3 | Am I the only one thinking tapping on a picture to get the options is a bit counter active to these glowing bars actually showing there are options available? | 06:44 |
| special | context? | 06:45 |
| pawky|3 | special: aha? | 06:45 |
| special | I don't know what you're referring to | 06:46 |
| pawky|3 | special: when you have a picture in front of you and you want to do something with it, you will have to tap it to get the options | 06:46 |
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| pawky|3 | Then again, I have clearly noticed Android users seem a bit more at home with those hidden menues, compared to me who is very used to the N9 | 06:47 |
| pawky|3 | So, maybe it is the way to go even though it's not THAT obvious to me... | 06:48 |
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| suosaaski | most mobile OSs have at least "long press" hidden options | 06:49 |
| pawky|3 | One can usually say, in the end I get to where I want, but sometimes I am a bit confused of the logics getting there... so maybe its a good thing | 06:50 |
| pawky|3 | suosaaski: aha... | 06:50 |
| pawky|3 | I think it was about the same on the N9 actually, the only difference is, one have gotten used to these glowing bars informing there are options to be found. | 06:51 |
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| Trizt | morning. | 07:29 |
| Trizt | anyone working on a menu for sailfish, like Catorise for maemo5? | 07:31 |
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| nadriel | what the. ui bugs. anyone had their multitasking window appear on every other ma7n view? | 07:44 |
| nadriel | oh yeah and i cant tap the smaller boxes, i have to tap on the app icons in the list. | 07:45 |
| nadriel | will report bug after i get home. :) | 07:46 |
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| Pnuu | multitasking window? | 07:47 |
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| Kiranos_ | no WIP changelog or any official info since .25 patch? its been silent for a while now :) | 08:32 |
| Pnuu | wip? | 08:32 |
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| netzvieh | work in progress? | 08:36 |
| Pnuu | oh, yeah | 08:36 |
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| Pnuu | 08:26 < Stskeeps> when it's ready | 08:36 |
| Pnuu | I think that's the most official statement available regarding next update :-) | 08:37 |
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| netzvieh | hehe. I'd like some more information on what is worked on, too. The when is not that relevant :D | 08:39 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:roadmap/page:1/ | 08:41 |
| Pnuu | that should be quite close | 08:41 |
| Pnuu | and order by votes | 08:41 |
| netzvieh | Pnuu: ahhh thanks. thats a nice list | 08:44 |
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| Kiranos_ | Pnuu: yea question is if focus still is on bug hunting rather than adding features | 08:48 |
| Kiranos_ | still no fix for battery drain right if you dont want to get dirty in devel mode? | 08:49 |
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| Pnuu | aluminium foil doesn't need dev mode ;-) | 08:51 |
| covox | Kiranos_: you can stick some 'lume foil between the RFID tag and the back of the phone | 08:51 |
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| Kiranos_ | covox: lol yea and thats not more of a hack than fixing it by going into devel :P | 08:51 |
| netzvieh | Kiranos_: but you won't get your hands dirty in devel mode :D | 08:52 |
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| Kiranos_ | netzvieh: I dont own the phone but reviewers etc probably wont | 08:54 |
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| pawky|3 | Jonni: I am still a bit curious wether the exchange client in either the jolla store, or google/yandex, will support provisioning (be able to wipe the phone)? | 09:09 |
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| netzvieh | pawky|3: why would you implement that in the exchange client rather than on system level? | 09:11 |
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| Jonni | pawky|3: most likely it will at some point, but cannot give any eta about which update. | 09:11 |
| pawky|3 | netzvieh, well the question is wether any product who wants to support it, will be able to have such control it can wipe thing in your phone... | 09:12 |
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| netzvieh | on TJC, can i follow streams or only questions? | 09:20 |
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| tneo | hi, how can I copy paste a 63 character password for my wireless lan? So that I don't get the time-out and have to start over again? | 09:25 |
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| tachikoma | this is just funny: http://geekologie.com/2014/01/tv-reporter-accidentally-unveils-bitcoin.php | 10:34 |
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| * pahartik tried to convince "Sailfish" package management work through IPv6 but failed so far | 10:37 | |
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| tbr | pahartik: is their CDN even dual-stack? | 10:44 |
| stephg | tbr, cloudfront can be | 10:47 |
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| atlaz | http://www.lillhonga.com/lapse/ i compiled a Timelapse-video from our companys backyard. Funny looking creatures come out at night | 10:51 |
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| tbr | stephg: is it cloudfront? because for me the repository FQDNs resolve to Amazon AWS | 10:55 |
| pawky|3 | atlaz: preparing for hunting season? :-) | 10:55 |
| tbr | but AWS would allow for ipv6 | 10:55 |
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| stephg | depends what it is, but also ELBs in AWS support v6 | 10:56 |
| atlaz | pawky|3: Nah, our Lillhonga Ranch is an animal sanctuary ;) | 10:56 |
| stephg | I've definitely seen cloudfront urls kicking about | 10:56 |
| stephg | whether that was the website or the repo or what I can't remember | 10:56 |
| tbr | wasn't that for the SDK though? | 10:56 |
| stephg | maybe, again I can't remember where I saw it | 10:56 |
| tbr | pahartik: you'd need to set up NAT64 I guess | 10:56 |
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| tbr | until jolla decides to add ipv6 support to their repositories | 10:57 |
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| pahartik | tbr: I have tried to use NAT64, but somehow "Sailfish" does not like it | 11:01 |
| Sidde | hey. How do you change the units in Maps? It displays yards everywhere | 11:01 |
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| atlaz | Sidde: check on together.jolla.com | 11:01 |
| atlaz | there is info there, somewhere | 11:01 |
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| Sidde | thanks | 11:02 |
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| ln- | pahartik: why "Sailfish" in quotes? | 11:02 |
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| leinir | ln-: clearly read too many "newspapers" who report "news" using certain techniques to avoid "lawsuits" ;) | 11:03 |
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| pahartik | ln-: Quotes are good | 11:07 |
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| artemma | Love your #jolla phone? Go share what exactly makes it stand out for u and tell about it to friends. Major stuff only buff.ly/1ds7wg5 | 11:10 |
| Waitee | oh u spammers | 11:10 |
| artemma | Wondering about which of the multitude of the cool features actually do matter | 11:10 |
| artemma | sorry, bad link, here's the proper one - https://together.jolla.com/question/14616/what-is-most-great-about-jolla-device-for-you-really-the-top-2-3-things-okay-4-5-if-you-just-have-to/ | 11:11 |
| artemma | buff.ly is same one, but shortened for the tweet | 11:11 |
| pawky|3 | artemma: I was just thinking about it, its agreat phone, but how is it going to compeete against the others? How will a user notice the difference (except for UI) | 11:12 |
| faenil | *except*? :D | 11:14 |
| Waitee | the ui and qt is the thing for jolla | 11:14 |
| Waitee | thats their only real selling point :D | 11:15 |
| * artemma often feels like #sailfisos is a too far jump. Some ideas are great, some okay, and making them work together… not always works | 11:15 | |
| ggabriel | people seem to forget things like increased battery life (which is a potential at the moment), better reception, better call quality | 11:15 |
| artemma | too far jump from N9 | 11:15 |
| rigo | hi all, is there a way to influence the keys that are used to accept the item in the list of the kate autocompletion? | 11:16 |
| pahartik | tbr: Oh, I think it got further now through NAT64, just did not like to use IPv6 nameservers | 11:16 |
| rigo | rahh, wrong channel... | 11:16 |
| fk_lx | artemma: I agree a bit, that the goal they've set is very ambitious | 11:16 |
| fk_lx | artemma: and interating through smaller steps would probably be better | 11:17 |
| fk_lx | *iterating | 11:17 |
| tbr | pahartik: might be a connman thing with the v6 nameservers | 11:17 |
| rigo | the best thing about jolla is that it is probably the only device that is not spying on me like hell :) | 11:17 |
| pawky|3 | ggabriel: will the jolla actually have an increased battery life because of running sailfish? | 11:17 |
| pawky|3 | artemma: not that far, user wise... | 11:18 |
| * artemma really wonders how many UI iterations Jolla had and how much these changed. They totally had many, but when OS started really working OKish one-two months before launch.. too late for corrections at that stage | 11:18 | |
| tbr | rigo: that's what _they_ want you to think! ;-þ | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | pawky|3: it kind of does now, in comparison to a few other phones i saw | 11:18 |
| rigo | it is not asking me to buy into the full google big brother or the full itunes big brother to function properly | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | and if you switch off tohd.service | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | jolla already said that there is more room for improvement, so... | 11:18 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: i second that :-) | 11:19 |
| * artemma wants more consistency. Like swipe left-right gesture to save me from *everywhere* or same gesture for menu to work *everywhere*. Sure I realize it might be difficult to invent, maybe impossible | 11:19 | |
| pawky|3 | rigo: a bit questionable wether thats a good sales pitch though... | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | artemma: how do you solve the folders scenario in email if you want to swipe right to save? | 11:19 |
| atlaz | http://mobiili.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jolla_new_aloe_front_back.jpg hey when do our Jollas start working like they're presented in this demopic? | 11:19 |
| atlaz | That FB-feedymajingy looks nice | 11:20 |
| rigo | tbr, already the feeling and believe of not being spied on improves my live a lot :-) It's all about the cissors in your head | 11:20 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: in real life people don't seem to care the least, they are monitored 24/7 by their phones,... | 11:20 |
| pahartik | tbr: Could be, but I also added IPv6 nameserver to "/etc/resolv.conf" before "::1"... That was not enough | 11:20 |
| rigo | so privacy and not buying into big brother is not a direct selling poing, but it should influence the selling points | 11:20 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: well, you fist have to convince the audince they are actually spied upon... so, the main question stands... what are the main selling points? | 11:22 |
| pawky|3 | for all the none hackers? | 11:22 |
| rigo | first and foremost, the selling point is to the developers. Cool applications sell the device. And the openness of the platform is there to attract cool developers with cool applications | 11:23 |
| rigo | second, UI and independence | 11:23 |
| rigo | so "unlike" was the best idea ever | 11:24 |
| rigo | bbl | 11:24 |
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| pawky|3 | But I cannot believe the main market target will be developers and hackers of the world, right? | 11:24 |
| roboro | I want an other half with a flip cover to protect the screen a bit... like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Notebook-Style-Cover-Galaxy/dp/B0080CXR6O/ | 11:26 |
| pawky|3 | roboro: A 3d printer will solve it for you :-) | 11:26 |
| roboro | heh... pricey purchase for a phone cover... its something I'd love to get at some stage... I'm just not that flush yet :) | 11:27 |
| pawky|3 | roborg: not at all, after you printed a dozen, and sold them to other users :-) | 11:27 |
| roboro | true true | 11:27 |
| pawky|3 | roborg: here is your chance, be the second to provide cool covers :-) | 11:28 |
| * roboro learns to keep quiet :D | 11:28 | |
| roboro | seriously... I would love to get into making other halves... | 11:29 |
| roboro | just not sure I have the time or money for it | 11:29 |
| pawky|3 | roborg: and seriously you should... http://www.3ders.org/pricecompare/3dprinters/ | 11:29 |
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| roboro | crikey... some of those prices are pretty reasonable | 11:30 |
| pawky|3 | :-) | 11:31 |
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| pawky|3 | roboro: or maybe this might be something for you http://www.3ders.org/pricecompare/3dprinters/ | 11:32 |
| pawky|3 | damn... | 11:32 |
| pawky|3 | roboro: http://www.wired.com/design/2013/01/protomold/ | 11:33 |
| roboro | interesting | 11:34 |
| pawky|3 | roboro: it surely is :-) | 11:34 |
| roboro | I wouldn't mind just going the 3d printer route though... you have more scope to play around with design | 11:35 |
| pawky|3 | so, go and get your FreeCAD downloaded and of you go! :-D | 11:35 |
| pawky|3 | roboro: I think a mix would be best.. | 11:35 |
| roboro | 10 months later... I'm still trying to work out CAD :D | 11:35 |
| pawky|3 | roboro: or, call a friend.... | 11:36 |
| roboro | maybe I should just stick to development work ;-) | 11:36 |
| * roboro keeps the link and decides to mull it over a bit | 11:36 | |
| pawky|3 | well.. with protomold, I believe you could just create your model any way you like... with a piece of wood and a knife if it suits you... :-) | 11:37 |
| pawky|3 | robor: you should rather mold it over... ;-) | 11:37 |
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| * roboro snickers... poor pun paky|3 | 11:38 | |
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| AL13N_work | cannot access the store, journalctl says: "failed SUID to root. secure storage will not be available" | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | anyone else had this? | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ^^ | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | normal | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | not related | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | ok | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: do you need any info, or is this a known thing about the store? | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm in meetings all day so the worst person to collect more info | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | np, i'll leave you | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: did you hear about people not being able to side-swipe into ambiences? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | select more favourites | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | i have this, but it doesn't really bother me | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ah | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | ok | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | sorry | 11:50 |
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| Venemo | good morning veskuh :) | 11:51 |
| veskuh | Venemo, thanks. | 11:51 |
| veskuh | Venemo, planning day today so good be better. | 11:52 |
| Venemo | veskuh: oh! sprint planning? | 11:52 |
| veskuh | Venemo, longer term so meetings, meetings | 11:52 |
| Venemo | I remember I always felt pretty much knocked out after those | 11:53 |
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| Venemo | veskuh: btw, what's up with that Tweetian port you've been doing? :) | 11:55 |
| veskuh | Venemo, https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/issues?direction=desc&sort=updated&state=open | 11:56 |
| Venemo | veskuh: thanks! | 11:57 |
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| anacron | weird, clash of clans asked me if I want to load someone else's game | 12:02 |
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| tigeli | anacron: Chief LucasE? | 12:03 |
| anacron | yes exactly | 12:04 |
| tigeli | anacron: I've seen that, and there's also discussion on Supercell's discussion board about it | 12:04 |
| tigeli | anacron: but.. seems like an issue with CoC | 12:04 |
| anacron | tigeli: do you know if it's happening with other devices than jolla? | 12:04 |
| tigeli | anacron: at least with Bluestack-emulator | 12:05 |
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| anacron | okay, because I've never seen this before on any other device I've used | 12:06 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: are you on ohjelmistoarkkitehtuurit? am I sitting next to you? :D | 12:07 |
| Yaniel | I was there yes | 12:08 |
| Yaniel | but don't think I recognize you | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | but you're not there now? | 12:08 |
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| Yaniel | no | 12:10 |
| rigo | pawky|3: the developers are the mulitplicators you need to sell | 12:10 |
| Yaniel | wait ohjelmistoarkkitehtuurit no, I'm not there | 12:11 |
| rigo | your stuff to M. Everybody | 12:11 |
| Yaniel | it was tietokonearkkitehtuuri | 12:11 |
| pawky|3 | I don't really get this E-mail client, it has some kind of HTML(?) view, that shows a to tiny font, and when you soom in, you get a low res unreadable picture :-( | 12:11 |
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| pawky|3 | rigo: yes, but you still need an end user pitch i believe... | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: ok, I was just wondering as I'm sitting next to a jolla user (with the 1st one OH) | 12:11 |
| Yaniel | there is a bunch of them around here ^^ | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | I bet. tons of N900 and N9 users too | 12:12 |
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| walokra | they should make app that pings other jolla users if near :) | 12:13 |
| rigo | Nicd-: yep, all the people who had an N9 look for a replacement. Note that without advertisement, the N9 sold better than the lumias | 12:13 |
| rigo | I also think that jolla has a high chance in the same market as the opera browser | 12:14 |
| pawky|3 | But still, there MUST be some main pitch for the end users right? beyond the techincal stuff behind it all | 12:14 |
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| rigo | mainly as the best and most secure platform for embedded enterprise applications that are not windows | 12:15 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: that cannot be true considering your ability to run android apps... | 12:15 |
| chem|st | rigo: jolla sell better than iphones at dna | 12:15 |
| rigo | nooooo | 12:15 |
| Yaniel | that does not tell much | 12:16 |
| * rigo is about to replace his N9 this week or next week | 12:16 | |
| pawky|3 | chem|st: might be they are the only ones selling this phone.. | 12:16 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: yeah but they sell more jollas to their customers than they do iphones | 12:16 |
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| pawky|3 | so, do I get this right.. no one can tell me what to tell curious people who doesn't do hacking, or understand security why this phone is a better alternative??? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | looking at together: we do need some showstoppers removed... android apps is a nice to have but the basics still missing are the attack material VS android and iphone market | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | might be a bit difficult while it is still in beta | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | but it feels completely different to use than the others | 12:18 |
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| pawky|3 | Yaniel: but still, there MUST be a vision right? | 12:18 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: the userinterface does not need stupid back buttons, programs run in the background for real | 12:18 |
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| pawky|3 | chem|st: not much of a selling point teaser, is it? | 12:19 |
| chem|st | task-manager is your home view with running apps instead of a BS list of may-or-maynot running apps | 12:19 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: that is actually the thing why I bought it in the first place | 12:20 |
| chem|st | I hate iOS and android ways of doing things | 12:20 |
| pawky|3 | chem|ist: I bought it, because its Linux, and it gives you full control, and you are true root (i think...) | 12:20 |
| chem|st | battery life^^ | 12:20 |
| pawky|3 | chem|st: battery life is a good one if ever proven to be better than other phones :-) | 12:21 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: that comes second, think of it as a daily phone not your toy with phone capabilities - that is what $users are seeking | 12:21 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: it already is | 12:21 |
| chem|st | pawky|3: I was down to 47% yesterday evening, last charge was friday afternoon | 12:22 |
| Milo- | chem|st with what on? | 12:22 |
| rigo | certainly wth the other half off :) | 12:23 |
| pawky|3 | being an advocate for the Jolla phone at our office and friends and foe, I am still interesting in more user pitches... ;-) | 12:23 |
| chem|st | Milo-: 7 apps running frequently on mData no wifi available in a bad reception are | 12:23 |
| chem|st | area | 12:23 |
| chem|st | most of the time it was idle | 12:23 |
| rigo | pawky|3: modularity, give other companies the opportunity to make other halfs | 12:23 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: :-) | 12:23 |
| Milo- | chem|st okay. I did 8 days with tohd off, occasional web browsing, mostly idle. wlan and mobile data turned off.. End result was 100 % -> 18 % | 12:24 |
| rigo | pawky|3, there will be onces with 128GB of memory, others with a keyboard, others with battery or solar charging | 12:24 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: like... Rigo Cover Corp? :-) | 12:24 |
| rigo | I use tinfoil for that :) | 12:24 |
| chem|st | but I had 2 guys who wanted to have a look at a party so screen was on alot on saturday night | 12:24 |
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| Milo- | with mdata always on, and xmpp, some usage, I think I can do 3-4 days. | 12:24 |
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| chem|st | Milo-: you see... ask an android user to survive that and being able to call his mother on day three | 12:25 |
| pawky|3 | Well, great battery time is a very good sales pitch :-) | 12:25 |
| rigo | jolla is finnish, this is your time to use cloud services to offer perfect syndication of email and calendars | 12:25 |
| rigo | but not the coercive way google is doing it | 12:25 |
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| Milo- | rigo I'd love that | 12:25 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: never in my life I will use any cloud services... | 12:25 |
| * rigo thinks he should go working for jolla :) The web is done anyway ... | 12:26 | |
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| pawky|3 | rigo: I might create one though... :-) | 12:27 |
| rigo | pawky|3: mine is currently hosted by MIT and its crap. I use opera unite to have my bookmarks synchronized across my devices (including my N9) | 12:27 |
| pawky|3 | rigo: why not use rsync? | 12:27 |
| rigo | firefox has copied that feature, but I trust howcome to tell the NSA to P.O. if they want to access | 12:27 |
| Sidde | rigo: and most internet traffic to finland goes through sweden (FRA) so everything will be stored and indexed if they host cloud services in finland | 12:27 |
| pawky|3 | HE HE HE :-D | 12:28 |
| chem|st | rigo: jolla should adapt owncloud and setup a merged jolla-cloud for $users so anyone can use it but if you like you can point it to your own|cloud | 12:28 |
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| jubo2 | Sidde: didn't Finland just announce laying fiber to Germany | 12:28 |
| rigo | Sidde: only if you use RC4 | 12:28 |
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| pawky|3 | rigo: :-D | 12:29 |
| jubo2 | going near Sweden but never coming on-land in Suedia | 12:29 |
| rigo | btw, now I do some spam, please write position papers for https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/ | 12:29 |
| pawky|3 | jubo2: you should try it some time :-) | 12:29 |
| Sidde | jubo2: but it's not built yet. And germany are as bad as anyone | 12:29 |
| chem|st | jubo2: you mean the baltic highway? http://baltichighway.com/ | 12:30 |
| Sidde | rigo: SSL to cloud services sucks. You have no idea who else has the private keys | 12:30 |
| chem|st | oh an own one? | 12:30 |
| rigo | Sidde: in Germany, the spooks are not as intelligent as the CCC, so the danger is different :-P | 12:31 |
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| Sidde | rigo: haha | 12:31 |
| rigo | Sidde, you could use webcrypto instead and do end-to-end encryption with some newer algo | 12:32 |
| chem|st | so back to the selling points of jollas... | 12:32 |
| MMx | meh. now my Jolla seems to be hanging completely. It took some time for the display to come on, and now it sits there on the lock screen, display on, for 7min already. :( | 12:32 |
| rigo | here goes your selling point :) | 12:32 |
| chem|st | we have batterylife, real multitasking (don't tell that, say your apps are running minimized on your home-screen and you can interact with them without opening) | 12:33 |
| chem|st | MMx: connected to a charger? | 12:33 |
| MMx | no. | 12:33 |
| chem|st | might be one of the connection issues where the device hangs | 12:34 |
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| MMx | WLAN is on, but no known network in range | 12:34 |
| MMx | packet data is off | 12:34 |
| tbr | MMx: left any apps open, like e.g. maps? | 12:35 |
| MMx | maybe the mail client, but not more | 12:35 |
| MMx | mail client checks every 15min | 12:35 |
| MMx | or is supposed to, that is | 12:36 |
| MMx | (doesn't always) | 12:36 |
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| tbr | mail shouldn't leak memory | 12:37 |
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| MMx | tbr: the lock screen still shows "13:25" (CET), it's frozen since then. | 12:38 |
| tbr | haven't had that happen to me | 12:38 |
| * MMx seems to get all kinds of funky issues the past 3 days | 12:39 | |
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| MMx | tbr: unfortunately, I don't have the sshd running, so I cannot log in via USB to check what's going on :( | 12:41 |
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| tbr | what-a-mistakea-to-makea | 12:42 |
| MMx | well, I _do_ have the devil-mode on at least | 12:42 |
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| MMx | tbr: any idea, or should I just try to reboot it now? | 12:43 |
| tbr | reboot it | 12:44 |
| MMx | dmesg shows me device info, but MTP connection is not possible | 12:45 |
| sjtoik | memory leak you say? my alarm clock failed this morning. the screen was unresponsive, but there was some interraction left. | 12:45 |
| sjtoik | didn't have time to examine the situation, so i rebooted the phone almost immediately | 12:47 |
| MMx | awww... holding the power button long switched off the screen, but now the led is RED and nothing happens | 12:47 |
| MMx | now led went off. hm | 12:47 |
| MMx | ok, booting again now | 12:47 |
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| sjtoik | only change to previous is, that i installed the webcat browser and propably left it open | 12:48 |
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| MMx | looking into wpa_supplicant.log, it might be a reconnection issue after all | 12:56 |
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| MMx | seems to that the one AP which is known was switched on again, after all | 12:57 |
| MMx | have a lot of auth timeouts and auth fails in there | 12:57 |
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| MMx | KaIRC: was machst du denn hier? | 13:02 |
| KaIRC | MMx: immer wieder mal mitlesen - bin eh immer hier | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | please keep it in english so we can all participate :) | 13:04 |
| MMx | KaIRC: you also have a device? | 13:04 |
| MMx | or not yet? :> | 13:04 |
| KaIRC | MMx: no, and at this point not planning on one, I already have too many devices around and I guess more are coming due to occupational hazard - I'm just following the project because I like anything that opens up the mobile space more than it is | 13:06 |
| MMx | :) | 13:07 |
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| MMx | KaIRC: I actually have one, but I didn't have one of the N8xx/N9xx series like you did. | 13:07 |
| MMx | trying to replace my ancient Android 2.3, but that doesn't completely work out yet | 13:08 |
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| KaIRC | I'm actually still running the N900 because I haven't found a really decent replacement for Mappero yet (even though my own web app can fill a good part of my needs in that regard, but it's not as stable yet as I'd like) - I have thought about potentially getting Sailfish up on my N9 though as it's such a shame that this awesome screen is stowed away in a closet | 13:10 |
| MMx | KaIRC: bring the N9 to FOSDEM, I bet there are people there who can help you to get Sailfish flashed on that one, if needed. ;) | 13:11 |
| KaIRC | OTOH, I'm currently running around with 4 phones (2 of them with SIMs) and a tablet, and UI doubt I'd use the N9 really, even with Sailfish | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | KaIRC: you're short of 2-3 more devices to be able to make a body armour | 13:12 |
| KaIRC | unless it might be able to run the GTK-based Mappero app (I guess it can run the Android app we have in MozStumbler, which would be interesting for me) | 13:13 |
| MMx | and the screen is the only thing I will really miss of my Android device - even that quite old SuperAMOLED which was already used in the original GalaxyS is much nicer to look at than the Jolla TFT | 13:13 |
| MMx | .oO( maybe tbr can top KaIRCs "body armour" of devices ) | 13:14 |
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| ggabriel | MMx: i kinda miss the n9's screen in comparison to the jolla, but the colours seem to be a bit better in the ips lcd | 13:15 |
| KaIRC | the N9 also has AMOLED which is why I find that screen so awesome, will be quite a while until FxOS devices will be available with that | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | also, ips lcd seems to be the way forward | 13:15 |
| tbr | MMx: currently around 5-6 mobile devices, not counting laptops | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | i'd like to see the latest nokia ips lcd's to be honest :) | 13:16 |
| MMx | .oO( i knew it ) | 13:16 |
| KaIRC | tbr: didn't expect you counting fewer devices than me either ;-) | 13:16 |
| tbr | ;) | 13:16 |
| tbr | and I ditched the fxos proto and gave it away, so that's long gone | 13:17 |
| MMx | ggabriel: it's the viewing angle that annoys me. The SuperAMOLED is so uniform from all angles, while the IPS in the Jolla drops significantly in brightness | 13:17 |
| KaIRC | esp. given that I'm not even working on device stuff, officialy being counted as part of the desktop QA team nowadays (but some projects I mamage do span products) | 13:18 |
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| MMx | KaIRC: you _are_ coming to FOSDEM, right? | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | MMx: yeah, but i kinda like that ;-) in fact, i'd like it to be invisible from angles so that i get all the privacy i want | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | MMx: what i _do_ miss, however, is the level of black of the n9 | 13:19 |
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| ggabriel | it's like looking at a black hole | 13:20 |
| KaIRC | I think if we (as in "humanity) can get it to a state where it's cheap enough to produce, some AMOLED-like technology will be the future because of brilliance and power requirements - but we're not there yet | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | even compared to the latest gnexus | 13:20 |
| MMx | ggabriel: if you want privacy, there is this: http://www.protectionfilms24.com/article/vikuiti-myprivatedisplay-privacy-screen-protector-gxn800-jolla-jolla-1409825.html | 13:20 |
| KaIRC | MMx: yes, I'm coming - and talking about writing web apps in the Mozilla devroom | 13:20 |
| MMx | ah, right | 13:20 |
| MMx | good :) | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | MMx: yeah, don't want to stick stuff tho, i'm not massively worried tho | 13:21 |
| tbr | we should meet, outside of the Netscape context though. | 13:21 |
| MMx | so, in Delirium then :> | 13:21 |
| tbr | yup | 13:21 |
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| KaIRC | but esp. as the Moz devroom is Saturday only, I'll try to visit a number of other things as well - after all, my interests span a lot of FLOSS, not just the corner I work in :) | 13:22 |
| MMx | reminds me... I should trigger my Manager's Manager to approve my travel request | 13:22 |
| MMx | otherwise I might not get the hotel I want | 13:23 |
| * tbr stopped worrying about $corporate conference travel and started loving the bomb | 13:23 | |
| tbr | err, without the last bit | 13:23 |
| tbr | .o(dr. strangeFOSS) | 13:23 |
| KaIRC | my stuff is booked, though I fully expect some talk/confusion still to come as the booking system still thinks I have a different manager | 13:24 |
| KaIRC | is there a Sailfish/Jolla presence there this year? | 13:24 |
| tbr | KaIRC: https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/#post-id-11461 | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | i think Stskeeps will give a talk | 13:25 |
| tbr | so saturday afternoon/evening | 13:25 |
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| tbr | yes first carsten at 1500, then roundtable, then dinner | 13:25 |
| KaIRC | heh, that's the bar where Mozilla people where going quite often in recent years | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | no fights please | 13:25 |
| MMx | that's what I said, too :) | 13:26 |
| KaIRC | lol | 13:26 |
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| ggabriel | do you remember the mozilla woman telling shutleworth and marc dilon "ok, so you'll fail" last year? :) | 13:26 |
| KaIRC | ggabriel: I actually don't see reasons for fights, after all, the Sailfish browser is running on Mozilla code (thanks to romaxa and others) | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | KaIRC: ofc i'm teasing | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | there is _no_ reason whatsoever to fight | 13:27 |
| MMx | ggabriel: nah. We can start the FxOS vs. SailfishOS wars once iOS and Android became insignificant | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | MMx: what's that? android? ios? :) | 13:28 |
| tbr | KaIRC: also happens to be next to mmx and my hotel | 13:28 |
| KaIRC | well, ubuntu phone has been failing so far, and I think there's no good reason to believe they'll still succeed - even though I'm happy about anyone pushing for more open mobile technology | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | KaIRC: i haven't heard much of them, no, not sure if there's any device out there | 13:28 |
| KaIRC | MMx: agreed :) | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't think the os part is finished tho | 13:28 |
| KaIRC | ggabriel: theiry kickstarter failed, so I think there's no device at this point | 13:29 |
| tbr | they are pushing their platform development, but don't seem to have a device partner so far | 13:29 |
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| ggabriel | KaIRC: yeah, i know that, but i thought they'd try to partner with somebody, unless they're waiting | 13:29 |
| tbr | the crowd funding was for that weird very ambitious monster device they'd have done themselves | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | i saw it running in some sammy galaxy | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | but i can't go and buy an ubuntu phone | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | i don't like ubuntu anyway, so not massively worried ;-) | 13:30 |
| KaIRC | of the so-called 4 big alternatives that people talked about last year, only two shipped devices - ubuntu and Tizen didn't (so far) and both might fail completely (though Tizen will release something at least given the large corporations behind it) | 13:30 |
| MMx | wasn't tizen going to TVs instead, now? | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | problem with tizen is that the corporations behind it don't have a good track record of delivering new stuff | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | and for what i've seen, tizen is an early version of ios :) | 13:31 |
| KaIRC | MMx: I don't think a TV-only OS will survive in the long run | 13:31 |
| MMx | yeah | 13:31 |
| tbr | sony TVs run android and are hiding it surprisingly well | 13:32 |
| KaIRC | the TV as a separate class of devices will probably even die, it will just be "the big screen connected to multi-media content" | 13:32 |
| sejo | I ordered a jolla and want to know what android apps work, is there a list somewhere that is being kept? | 13:33 |
| tbr | not that I know of (list) | 13:33 |
| svuorela | sejo: I grabbed a couple of random ones from a app store and had 100% success rate | 13:33 |
| * MMx eyes the 84" UHD LCD in the corner. Big screen, yes, indeed. | 13:33 | |
| roboro | so far I haven't run into a problem running any android apps | 13:33 |
| sejo | svuorela: cool, eagerly waiting for it to arrive | 13:34 |
| KaIRC | tbr: yes, I fully epxect OSes that run successfully on other devices to take over the TV space - Android in the Sony case (and probably others), FxOS in the Panasonic case (and maybe others), as much as I hate it, I guess someone will do Windows there as well | 13:34 |
| roboro | was a bit worried that I would lose yatse to manage my xbmc... but it works perfectly well | 13:34 |
| MMx | KaIRC: and Ford cars are running something that says "by Microsoft", too… | 13:35 |
| KaIRC | MMx: those are the "car company knows you're driving too fast" ones? | 13:36 |
| MMx | no, the SYNC-stuff for connecting your mobile with advanced features like SMS-to-speech and vice versa | 13:36 |
| * KaIRC just hopes that all those embedded spaces will at least have some open alternatives that offer user control over a lot of stuff, and ideally hacking possibilities (though that probably has its limits when it comes to cars) | 13:36 | |
| tbr | KaIRC: I'm sure XDA is already prepping an automotive ph0rum ;) | 13:37 |
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| MMx | tbr: regarding the entries in my wpa_supplicant.log (see above) - are these the known "hang on reconnect" issues? | 13:45 |
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| tbr | MMx: no idea, pastebin? | 13:48 |
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| MMx | tbr: http://pastebin.com/aNhBtQUf | 13:52 |
| tbr | hmm, maybe the wifi driver bit the dust | 13:53 |
| tbr | would have been interesting to see dmesg | 13:53 |
| MMx | unfortunately, there are no timestamps in the log. | 13:53 |
| MMx | well, now I have the sshd running. | 13:54 |
| MMx | but according to Heisenberg, it won't happen again as long as that is active. | 13:54 |
| tbr | yup | 13:55 |
| MMx | tbr: and I also find it strange that the complete UI freezes in that case | 14:01 |
| MMx | some system level tasks were still active, although slow. In the logs I found a "software shutdown" request. So the pushbutton still worked. | 14:02 |
| MMx | but it took, like 2min to shut down | 14:02 |
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| pdanek | Can I somehow setup, that after unlocking my device, default desktop won't be top one? | 14:27 |
| pdanek | That default shown desktop will be with minimized apps. | 14:27 |
| pdanek | Some work-around? | 14:27 |
| pdanek | It's very annoying to slide down to app desktop every single time | 14:28 |
| pdanek | Actually takes even a little bit more effort than just 1 click on N900 | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: not apparently, but you can vote/contribute here: https://together.jolla.com/question/472/after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/ | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | since your idea is not exactly there (although I didn't read every comment) | 14:30 |
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| pdanek | ah, I'm not the 1st one :O | 14:32 |
| pdanek | ah ok | 14:32 |
| pdanek | not my idea, right | 14:33 |
| pdanek | thx | 14:33 |
| jukkaeklund | and since it has 'roadmap' tag, it is coming for sure | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | yup - it's def coming, but not sure if pdanek's use case is going to be honoured | 14:35 |
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| jukkaeklund | yep | 14:35 |
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| pdanek | :D | 14:37 |
| pdanek | I believe it should remember whatever place you was before | 14:37 |
| FireFly | I'm mostly curious about *how* it'd be implemented | 14:38 |
| FireFly | I'd find some kind of delay to be mostly confusing, I think | 14:38 |
| pdanek | so if you was in app and locked screen, you should appear in app after unlock | 14:38 |
| pdanek | if you was in top desktop, you should appear in top desktop | 14:38 |
| pdanek | if you was in app desktop, you should appear in app desktop | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | i generally agree with pdanek | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: with black magic, of course ;-) | 14:38 |
| FireFly | like, if you wake it up within T time, it returns to the last app, otherwise to the homescreen | 14:38 |
| pawky|3 | pdanek:Isn't it all about you being able to see notification as soon as you turn of the screen saver? if you would be on the minimized screen you might miss something | 14:39 |
| pdanek | but when I receive SMS | 14:39 |
| pdanek | and I unlock | 14:39 |
| pdanek | I don't see it straight away | 14:39 |
| FireFly | I would've preferred if side-push took one to the last used app instead, would've made it easy to double-tap-then-drag-right | 14:39 |
| pdanek | right | 14:40 |
| FireFly | and I don't see myself switching ambiences all the time anyway | 14:40 |
| FireFly | oh well | 14:40 |
| pdanek | I didn't it through at all | 14:40 |
| pdanek | but current state is not perfect | 14:40 |
| pdanek | so you're right | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: customising pushes is another question in tjc :D | 14:40 |
| FireFly | ggabriel: I know; I wrote it :P | 14:40 |
| FireFly | if you mean my long semi-ranty thing | 14:40 |
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| ggabriel | FireFly: i've no idea. i've seen something and votes i recall | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | i actually kinda stopped raising stuff until the next update | 14:44 |
| FireFly | They definitely have enough to work on as it is, yeah | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | i stopped because most things are responded by "oh, yeah, it's fixed internally" | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | so i'd rather make little noise/vote stuff that's already there | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | i also stopped reading anything email related :D | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | since we are a couple of iterations behind | 14:45 |
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| FireFly | I'm hoping syncing with arbitrary webdav/vCal/iCal/whateverit'scalled is in the next update | 14:46 |
| FireFly | so I could connect it to my lecture schedule | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: if that happens, my n9 will be decommissioned | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | i'll probably have to make a leaving party or something | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | (anything is a good reason to celebrate) | 14:47 |
| FireFly | Haha | 14:47 |
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| Nicd- | I'd like arbitrary caldav and carddav because I want to run owncloud and leave google | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: ofc, we all want that | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | i've got radicale | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | :D | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | radicale ftw | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | altho if it comes with carddav, i'll have to reevaluate | 14:49 |
| Nicd- | also I'll need a rack server, but that's another matter :P | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: hehe, that's too pro | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | i've got a microserver and am pretty happy | 14:49 |
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| sejo | ow is there an exchange connector for jolla (mail/calendar/contacts/tasks?) | 14:51 |
| Nicd- | yes | 14:51 |
| Nicd- | there's exchange support in the jolla store | 14:51 |
| Nicd- | (free) | 14:51 |
| sejo | nice thanks | 14:51 |
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| pawky|3 | any one knows how to correct this "/bin/gzip: invalid option -- 'q' " when running cpan in jolla? | 14:55 |
| FireFly | Probably dig into the shellscript/perlscript/whateveritis and remove the q option, and see what it does (maybe quiet?) | 14:57 |
| FireFly | and see if you have to work around it somehow | 14:58 |
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| FireFly | oh, gzip is provided by busybox | 14:58 |
| FireFly | well, that explains why it'd support few flags | 14:59 |
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| pawky|3 | FireFly: well... it's the default Jolla installation.... | 14:59 |
| FireFly | pkcon search name gzip shows a GNU gzip package available for me | 14:59 |
| FireFly | You could try with that maybe | 15:00 |
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| FireFly | pawky|3: the default jolla installation is pretty lousy from what I can tell, running GNU coreutils from 2007 | 15:00 |
| pawky|3 | Fatal error; bysybox-symlix-gzip.... | 15:00 |
| FireFly | ._. | 15:00 |
| pawky|3 | FireFly: :-( | 15:01 |
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| rigo | come on, a year back we still believed nokia would survive | 15:05 |
| rigo | this should trigger a bug report as unix coreutils are really core for all linux boxes, including phones | 15:05 |
| pp_ | gpl2 coreutils | 15:05 |
| pp_ | gplv3 is evil if you are an evil corporate overlord | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | <- | 15:07 |
| rigo | not only then, gpl3 is a failure. I recommend everbody to use apache 2.0 unless you really really need a viral effect to protect yourself | 15:07 |
| rigo | for the simple reason that already the patent protection is better in the apache license | 15:07 |
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| Nicd- | I've just used MIT | 15:08 |
| rigo | this is public domain plus "please do not use the name of MIT" and that does buy you? .... :) | 15:08 |
| rigo | as you're not MIT... | 15:09 |
| rigo | :) | 15:09 |
| rigo | ... | 15:09 |
| Nicd- | well if I could just put them in the public domain I would | 15:09 |
| rigo | that's what you did | 15:09 |
| Nicd- | yes, but just saying "public domain" doesn't work | 15:10 |
| rigo | except that nobody using your stuff can use the name of MIT | 15:10 |
| rigo | oh my | 15:10 |
| rigo | why wouldn't it work if an author said, this is in the public domain now? | 15:10 |
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| rigo | tell the world and you're done | 15:10 |
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| Nicd- | rigo: it doesn't work in all countries | 15:11 |
| Nicd- | in some it is not possible to release something into the public domain | 15:11 |
| goroboro | put your software on piratebay... those folks don't give a crap about legal... also good distribution :D | 15:11 |
| Nicd- | also my licence does not mention MIT at all | 15:11 |
| rigo | yep, in France, as you can't desist yourself from morale rights, but there is no material difference that would interest you | 15:11 |
| Nicd- | it may interest some party that would want to use my code | 15:12 |
| atj | Hi guys, I noticed that my phone is lagging a bit and therefore I checked out top.. there are four processes (lipstick, timed-qt5, msyncd and contactsd), each taking over 40% of CPU time, and they are running all the time. Is this normal?-) | 15:12 |
| rigo | BTW, you doing MIT license does the same as shouting "public domain" also for France e.g. | 15:12 |
| Nicd- | maybe they're a company that don't want to take public domain or licenceless code to avoid legal trouble | 15:12 |
| rigo | LOL, the lawyer who makes a fuzz about stuff from public domain, you should get rid of him as soon as you can | 15:13 |
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| rigo | is kind of like getting to your doctor in modern times and he would say: we have to cup you.. | 15:14 |
| pp_ | just put your own copyright in :p[D | 15:14 |
| rigo | or the programmer saying, hey you have to do 10 push-ups before compiling because otherwise your program will crash | 15:15 |
| Nicd- | rigo: that makes no sense. also, putting in the MIT licence takes 1 minute of my time, I don't see why you get so worked up over it | 15:15 |
| teve | atj: I've seen same once, timed-qt5 and msyncd were hogging cpu and phone lagged so badly that I'd to reboot it. | 15:15 |
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| rigo | Nicd-, just ugly code | 15:15 |
| Nicd- | pp_: then it's not open source | 15:15 |
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| atj | teve: yeah, it seem that is this a real problem: https://together.jolla.com/question/14452/bug-process-usage-slow-app-response-possible-battery-drain/ | 15:17 |
| rigo | use whatever. if MIT fits your needs why not. But I sensed some misconceptions about licensing and wanted to clear them.. never mind | 15:17 |
| Nicd- | rigo: I sense some too. the MIT licence does not inconvenience me and it is *better* than the public domain for code reuse | 15:18 |
| XwZ | hi, when I try to call someone I have "calling" and then "alert" (I have french version so the message may be not exactly the same but I think they are not far) does someone know what is the reason and the meaning of these messages ? | 15:18 |
| rigo | Nicd-, this is a misconception, legally. It is like saying water runs uphill | 15:18 |
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| rigo | by its disclaimer and naming clause, the MIT license has more restrictions as public domain | 15:19 |
| virtuald | Nicd-: there's a creative commons public domain license for public domain or as close as possible where not permitted | 15:19 |
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| rigo | virtuald: called CC 0 | 15:19 |
| Nicd- | I know | 15:20 |
| * rigo goes for coffee... | 15:20 | |
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| virtuald | and there's the 2-clause bsd-style license | 15:20 |
| Nicd- | I don't get all the fuss | 15:21 |
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| Yaniel | I remember CC mentioning that CC 0 is not really a license | 15:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | licence choice is important. | 16:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Openstreetmap - without much thought - initially picked cc-by-sa as their data licence. | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, this is basically a no-op in the states, as you can't copyright assmeblages of facts. | 16:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hence they moved to odbl. The amount of pain was large - and involved redrawing lots of the map from other sources. | 16:06 |
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| ggabriel | KaIRC, MMx: related to previous chat :) http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/01/ubuntu-touch-wont-support-nexus-5-will-drop-support-nexus-7-10 | 16:35 |
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| rigo | SpeedEvil, openstreetmap rulz!! One other thing that I really really want to see on jolla is an offline openstreetmap application that rocks | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | It very much depends where you are. | 16:41 |
| KaIRC | maybe someone should port Mappero from GTK to Qt, it's been a really good OSM-based app | 16:42 |
| rigo | SpeedEvil: it's cybernetic. If you have a good app, people will put map information | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | rigo: It's not that simple. | 16:43 |
| rigo | and there is already enough map information to make the app interesting | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A phone is in many ways a really poor platform for map data entry. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS is - unfortunately - not as accurate as you might hope. | 16:44 |
| rigo | the best ever was, when I was in Tokyo with my N9, complety relying on the fact that I have gps and nokia maps | 16:44 |
| rigo | and tried to download the map for Japan | 16:44 |
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| rigo | and there is no map for Japan :) only (perfect) openstreetmap | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - rights issues are a bitch. | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | OSM is basically a heatmap of geeks with internet access. | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (plus data imports) | 16:46 |
| rigo | SpeedEvil: sure, but people will contribute to the OSM map. And people will contribute to the application to make it easier for people to add stuff in real time | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | There is another problem. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | OSM is unmoderated. | 16:47 |
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| rigo | this is not possible in a closed world. So google will ultimately fall behind openstreetmap if this works, like websters dictionary died when wikipedia took off | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | rigo: err - bull. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | rigo: Open alternatives do not always win. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Network effects are _POWERFUL_. | 16:47 |
| rigo | yes, that's what they told Tim in 1992 at CERN | 16:47 |
| rigo | bulll.... | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The internet did not have to win. | 16:47 |
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| rigo | youngster, I still had large fights against the lovers of lether bound books | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It basically managed to because compuserve/AOL/prodigy/... were slow off the mark on creating a somewhat interoperable system. | 16:48 |
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| rigo | and we are going back into isolation with social web, I know | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | If they had managed to get email between the providers working before the internet took off - and some other core services - it's really questionable that we would have the internet as it is now. | 16:49 |
| rigo | s/isolation/silos/ | 16:49 |
| Nicd- | SpeedEvil: internet, do you mean www? | 16:49 |
| rigo | :) | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Nicd-: No. | 16:50 |
| rigo | anyway, I'll continue to pester for a good openstreetmap implementation. the map is one of the best apps on my N9 | 16:50 |
| MMx | tbr: just got Hotel and Rail confirmation/tickets. So it _is_ the Scandic Grand Place. | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | This is why I sometimes defend the Al Gore 'Invented the internet' comment - the bill in question may have had a significant impact in making the internet 'win', as it speeded up its development at a highly critical time. | 16:51 |
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| rigo | MMx: this is a very nice hotel, next to gare centrale | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | A years slowdown could have meant the commercial operators could have gotten their acts together on interoperability. | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes - we're back there now in reverse, with facebook and google+ and ... | 16:52 |
| rigo | we are working on it :) | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | on going back, yes | 16:52 |
| rigo | to FTP? | 16:53 |
| rigo | gopher? | 16:53 |
| MMx | rigo: stayed in the area already, but not at the Scandic yet. Also short walk to the bus station to take us to FOSDEM :) | 16:54 |
| MMx | especially, it is the second station on the line, so still seats available ;) | 16:54 |
| rigo | oh, is fosdem outside in the expo? | 16:54 |
| MMx | no, at one of the ULB campi | 16:55 |
| MMx | but its a little away from the center, yes | 16:55 |
| rigo | ahh, this is near Delta. A bus ride is awfully long while the metro takes 15min + 10min walk from delta | 16:55 |
| MMx | I always take Bus 71, and yes its a long ride | 16:56 |
| rigo | line 5, directly from de Brouckère if you pass grand place | 16:56 |
| MMx | but 10min walk... that only works on Saturday. Sunday I usually have my luggage with me. but let's see. | 16:57 |
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| Sidde | anyone having problem downloading stuff from yandex.store? My download just keeps hanging and then restats | 17:23 |
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| Sidde | it worked after a reboot | 17:31 |
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| Quu | https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-14888 | 17:37 |
| Quu | please. | 17:37 |
| Quu | why cant i post comment on that | 17:37 |
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| ggabriel | Quu: what do you want to post? | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | (i can try on your behalf) | 17:39 |
| Quu | well, mostly that the answer is bullshit. | 17:40 |
| Quu | because i have tried every possible thing | 17:40 |
| Quu | i wrote shitton of text there and it didnt even post it .____. | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | Quu: how much karma do you have? | 17:41 |
| Quu | default amount, 1? | 17:42 |
| Quu | havent been able to post anything. | 17:42 |
| ggabriel | oh, if you have 1, that's probably why you can't post a comment :) | 17:42 |
| ggabriel | i agree that there's a lot of bs there, but pycage does say he's making things up | 17:43 |
| Quu | but it says "currently, you can:" "post comments" | 17:43 |
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| ggabriel | Quu: weird | 17:43 |
| ggabriel | maybe a bug | 17:43 |
| Quu | well, pycage also said thre that it only happens in paris etc | 17:43 |
| Quu | in comments | 17:43 |
| Quu | and sometimes the phone works for 2 days without problems, then it might get 5 shutdowns in hour | 17:44 |
| Quu | its just too random to say if you havent waited atleast 2 days after changing something | 17:45 |
| ggabriel | yup | 17:45 |
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| Quu | </rage> | 17:46 |
| ggabriel | Quu: yeah, i try to ignore it ;-) | 17:46 |
| ggabriel | like i said, just waiting for the next update and then i'll review all my questions | 17:46 |
| ggabriel | hopefully mark them all "done" | 17:46 |
| ggabriel | and start over ;-) | 17:46 |
| Quu | yeah.. | 17:47 |
| rigo | Quu: are you using SFR? | 17:48 |
| Quu | the what? | 17:48 |
| Quu | if thats some french ISP, probably not, im in finland. | 17:50 |
| rigo | ahh, had similar compatibility issues with my N9 and that french provider. After switching provider, everything went away | 17:51 |
| Quu | ok, i think i can test that too | 17:52 |
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| rigo | Khertan indicated network issues. It may be the trick. And some days ago, somebody pointed out the sim card issue (bad chinese quality of the connectors) | 17:53 |
| rigo | I have the URI somewhere | 17:53 |
| Quu | but the point is, i can play Heebo while on charger for 6h without any problems | 17:54 |
| Quu | on battery power, ~20min and shutdown | 17:54 |
| rigo | http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/shutdown-reboot-problems-anyone/ | 17:54 |
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| rigo | last contribution gives a picture | 17:55 |
| rigo | verify as it may be just a bad quality mechanical thingy. Have you tried that? | 17:55 |
| kehnoo_ | Quu, I had random shutdowns, but full recharge (6+ h) and having phone off overnight cured all that | 17:55 |
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| Quu | kehnoo_: tried that too, didnt help. | 17:56 |
| Quu | i even got brand new battery to test it with, had 2d 2h uptime before it started again | 17:57 |
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| kehnoo_ | well, I guess I was lucky then, but after that I haven't let the battery go under 50% | 17:59 |
| kehnoo_ | tho that's mostly because phone gets so amazing battery life now, charging full overnight every day :) | 18:01 |
| Quu | ok, maybe rigo was onto something | 18:02 |
| Quu | pressed that "golden triangle" with fingernail and the phone instantly shutdown'd | 18:02 |
| Quu | and seems like i cant do it again. | 18:03 |
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| kehnoo_ | best Jolla functionality: can stuff between the TOH and phone (important documents, emergency beer fund) | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: O_o | 18:14 |
| tbr | moo | 18:14 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: hi. | 18:19 |
| Quu | i dont even | 18:19 |
| edgars | yo | 18:19 |
| edgars | how can i get a ring and alarm sound back? | 18:19 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: hey, someone in #sailfishos had a phone reboot problem earlier and asked for you | 18:19 |
| FireFly | (though maybe you noticed) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: yes, though some of them i can't really help atm | 18:20 |
| edgars | now phone is just vibrating | 18:20 |
| FireFly | Oh, okay | 18:20 |
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| edgars | and as you all know, vibrating alarm is not a very effective in the 5 am :) | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | edgars: if it's under your pillow.. | 18:21 |
| edgars | yeah, sure :) | 18:22 |
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| edgars | and if it's in some dark hole...:D | 18:22 |
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| Pnuu | edgars: lock screen oulley menu and "enable sounds"?-) | 18:23 |
| edgars | first place where i checked | 18:23 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: nah, i always disable sounds and the alarm rings :) | 18:23 |
| Turski | today already three shutdowns here... | 18:25 |
| Turski | battery percentage bit under 90 | 18:25 |
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| Quu | Turski: what operator/ISP/stuff | 18:26 |
| Turski | Quu: DNA | 18:27 |
| Quu | ok, its not that then. | 18:27 |
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| Quu | dumdidum. | 18:27 |
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| Turski | sometimes it shuts down when completely idle untouched at table | 18:27 |
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| Quu | yeah. | 18:28 |
| Quu | IMO, it only happens when the screen is on | 18:28 |
| Quu | never seen it happen withouth screen being on | 18:28 |
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| kehnoo_ | that was my experience as well, always in use and suddenly shutdown | 18:29 |
| Quu | yeah | 18:29 |
| Turski | Quu: i've seen many times | 18:29 |
| Quu | ah, balls | 18:30 |
| Turski | it just suddenly displays that "charge battery" logo | 18:30 |
| Turski | and shuts with red light | 18:30 |
| Quu | ok, never had that. | 18:30 |
| Quu | always just dies, never red led | 18:30 |
| Turski | sometimes it shuts down without clean looking shut down | 18:30 |
| edgars | so | 18:31 |
| Turski | i'm just thinking there has to be something wrong with battery monitoring chip or then just connections somewhere | 18:31 |
| Quu | maybe, maybe | 18:32 |
| edgars | any ideas about missing sound? | 18:32 |
| Quu | edgars: un-mute? ;p | 18:32 |
| Quu | check ambience | 18:32 |
| edgars | there is no mute button ;p | 18:32 |
| ggabriel | edgars: i assume that you had the volume up, right? | 18:32 |
| edgars | ggabriel: yup | 18:33 |
| ggabriel | weird, never happened to me, but i never ever changed ambience, stuck to snow white the minute i discovered it | 18:33 |
| edgars | and yes, already erbooted | 18:33 |
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| Turski | edgars: does journal show anything when it should play a sound? | 18:35 |
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| edgars | you mean /var/log/something ? | 18:36 |
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| Turski | journalctl | 18:36 |
| Turski | (as root) | 18:36 |
| edgars | ou | 18:36 |
| Turski | that's how logging works with systemd | 18:37 |
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| edgars | hmm | 18:45 |
| edgars | Jan 14 20:42:54 localhost start_alien.sh[1298]: 01-14 18:42:54.442 1428 1488 E MediaPlayerService: Couldn't open fd for content://settings/system/ringtone | 18:45 |
| edgars | Jan 14 20:42:54 localhost start_alien.sh[1298]: 01-14 18:42:54.445 1569 1581 E MediaPlayer: Unable to to create media player | 18:45 |
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| ggabriel | edgars: can you play music? :D | 18:50 |
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| edgars | jup | 18:52 |
| ggabriel | and presumably system settings is ok "previewing" the alarm sound | 18:52 |
| edgars | at least ~4 hours back | 18:53 |
| ggabriel | and the rest of the system sounds work | 18:53 |
| ggabriel | such as ringtone and alike | 18:53 |
| edgars | hmm | 18:53 |
| edgars | atm i have no sound in the media player | 18:53 |
| ggabriel | probably same error in journalctl? | 18:54 |
| edgars | a lot of crap about album images | 18:55 |
| * ggabriel back to packing | 18:55 | |
| slate | damn I hate this flightmodebug | 18:56 |
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| Stskeeps | flightmodebug? | 18:58 |
| edgars | http://pastebin.com/0qjC3Q2u | 18:58 |
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| slate | Stskeeps: turn flightmode on, switch phone off, switch back on and the flightmode turns off after 10secs | 18:58 |
| slate | automatically | 18:58 |
| slate | happens when aliendalvik-support is installed | 18:59 |
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| slate | sucks cos cant use phone in a plane at all. | 18:59 |
| slate | if going through regulations.. | 18:59 |
| slate | :) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | slate: ah, that | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i was wondering why my plane was shaking.. | 19:00 |
| slate | ;) | 19:00 |
| AL13N | someone is saying that the SoC is insecure in that the modem subsystem has access to other periphals... i don't trust much of that, but that's what he's saying | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: generally becoming a farmer and only using tools you've yourself made is the only secure environment | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:00 |
| slate | greetings from an old winefarm in southern france.. | 19:00 |
| slate | ;) | 19:00 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: but then you're also the dumping ground of other countries | 19:00 |
| AL13N | >_> | 19:01 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: i guess he means that ISP providers could do some things on your device? | 19:01 |
| AL13N | or something | 19:01 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N: isn't that the case for pretty much any embedded device with a cellular modem? :) | 19:07 |
| edgars | mmm | 19:08 |
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| edgars | now screen is not turning off :/ | 19:08 |
| edgars | automatically i mean | 19:08 |
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| slate | edgars: restarting aliendalvik service deals with that | 19:15 |
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| edgars | hmm | 19:29 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: probably | 19:30 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: likely due to phone ISP requirements of locking users and stuff | 19:30 |
| AL13N | my android is becoming stranger and stranger | 19:30 |
| AL13N | GPS being unable to turn off, nav app crashing everything else, GPS not finding | 19:31 |
| AL13N | and this is only the navigation part | 19:31 |
| ggabriel | i'm getting a fraction of the problems that everybody else are getting | 19:31 |
| ggabriel | well, i had a sim disconnection, the first one that happened by natural circumstances | 19:32 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: special: Aard: w00t: cybette: lpotter (and all other devs, i don't know) you guy don't often get praise, so i'm gonna tell you that i've used the bluetooth sharing and i like the bluetooth part very much, it's nice clean, no hassle and works perfectly | 19:32 |
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| ggabriel | then again, testing the snowboard with your track suit bottoms and the phone in the pocket isn't a normal thing :P | 19:33 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: +1 | 19:33 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: it's odd, people complain about a lot of things that i don't notice, then again, i don't have any SIM in it yet | 19:33 |
| ggabriel | i have my sim in it | 19:33 |
| ggabriel | not the main phone yet | 19:33 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i'm going on holidays tomorrow and the n9 will come with me | 19:33 |
| ggabriel | i'm leaving the jolla to look after the house | 19:33 |
| AL13N | i need to recover other phone contacts first, then i need to cut it | 19:33 |
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| AL13N | ggabriel: haha, did you put it up with the camera? | 19:34 |
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| ggabriel | no, i trust it'll do everything automatically | 19:34 |
| ggabriel | i'm tempted to take it | 19:34 |
| AL13N | :-) | 19:34 |
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| ggabriel | just in case there's an update | 19:34 |
| AL13N | haha | 19:34 |
| ggabriel | but i shouldn't | 19:34 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: what kind of bugfixes are you waiting on? | 19:34 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: only caldav | 19:34 |
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| ggabriel | i could live with sailfish as it is, but i need caldav | 19:35 |
| AL13N | i'm a bit worried about the wifi thing | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | the n9 will stick around tho, mostly due to its offline maps | 19:35 |
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| AL13N | right | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | yup, have that, and i even have a hidden ssd | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | ssid even | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | so imagine the pain | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | but i can live with it | 19:35 |
| ggabriel | i know it'll get fixed | 19:35 |
| AL13N | yeah | 19:35 |
| AL13N | caldav too, yanno | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | the phone is incredibly fast | 19:36 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: it's because we haven't done any android stuff yet :-) | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | somehow it gets a more 3g speed | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: well, i'll eventually install the ba.com app | 19:36 |
| AL13N | ba.com ? | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | but i'll make sure i switch off/on the dalvik thing | 19:36 |
| AL13N | i work at BA | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | british airways | 19:36 |
| AL13N | ah | 19:36 |
| AL13N | i work at ba.be | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | ok, ask them to make a sailfish application :P | 19:37 |
| AL13N | not ba.com | 19:37 |
| AL13N | babe | 19:37 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: if that's a website, fix the ba.be please :) | 19:37 |
| AL13N | haha | 19:37 |
| AL13N | http://ba.be/ | 19:37 |
| ggabriel | yeah, doesn't work | 19:37 |
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| ggabriel | ah, what do you know | 19:38 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: i'm getting redirected to www.ba.be | 19:38 |
| ggabriel | it works with wget, but not ff | 19:38 |
| ggabriel | maybe my proxy is dodgy, sorry then | 19:38 |
| AL13N | but it's bad redirection | 19:38 |
| ggabriel | i can see that, yeah | 19:38 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 19:39 |
| AL13N | yes | 19:39 |
| AL13N | anyway | 19:39 |
| ggabriel | the british airways thing is the only android thing i'll use | 19:39 |
| ggabriel | coz i hate having to print boarding passes | 19:39 |
| ggabriel | i'm a tree lover, you see | 19:39 |
| AL13N | ic | 19:39 |
| ggabriel | (and i don't like carrying stuff either :P ) | 19:39 |
| AL13N | i took a screenshot of the QR code | 19:39 |
| AL13N | and put it on my phone | 19:39 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't always work | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | i tried it | 19:40 |
| AL13N | >_> | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | and they get suspicious if you keep zooming in/out | 19:40 |
| AL13N | it worked for me, but it wasn't BA | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | depends on the airport | 19:40 |
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| ggabriel | the one in copehagen needs brightness full on for example | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | it's quite funny | 19:40 |
| AL13N | heh | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | people fail and i pass like a boss | 19:40 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, systemctl stop/start dalvikthingy.service | 19:41 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: this reminds me, my wife complained about my jolla | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | that's going to be the way | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | because you're spending too much time with it? | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | :) | 19:41 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: the flash is too bright, :-) | 19:41 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: that too | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | hehe, your wife hasn't seen flashes then | 19:41 |
| AL13N | i took a pic in the dark and she was like, oh gods my eyes | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | "they burn!" | 19:41 |
| AL13N | she hadn't expected a flash in a phone, i think | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | the n8 and 808 have proper xenon ones | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | xenon? xeon i think | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | those are flashes | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | and the one that i have for my slr which i never used | 19:42 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: she does photography, which means she isn't the person looking into the flash :-) | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | i bet there aren't many pictures of her | 19:42 |
| AL13N | hehe | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | i had to give work a picture of my | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | me even | 19:43 |
| AL13N | why? | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | and the best i could find was me on a camel | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | just corporate thing | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | they want to see you, as you're on the other end of the world and whatnot | 19:43 |
| C3 | Hello Jolla users, sorry to interrupt but if it possible, has any one noticed a +1 next to the 3G symbol while tethering? This sometimes appears on my device. A .1 next to the two triangles on top of the battery meter. Thanks. | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | C3: i'd like to see a screenshot | 19:44 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: right | 19:44 |
| AL13N | C3: the bluetooth icon? | 19:44 |
| ggabriel | C3: tethering as in you connected to something that is providing internet or as in you providing the access point? | 19:44 |
| C3 | Stskeeps, I would not how to make one. I will download the screenshot application and wait for it to show. | 19:45 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: btw, if you share over bluetooth fast 6 pictures, you end up with 3 bluetooth icons on the lock screen | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | C3: seems like you know how to :) | 19:45 |
| C3 | ALI3N, no Sir, not the Bluetooth icon. | 19:45 |
| * tango_ so wants a physical keyboard on his jolla... | 19:45 | |
| * ggabriel back to packing.... (maybe this time to finish it :P ) | 19:45 | |
| AL13N | tango_: i'd prefer real usb keyb or bluetooth keyb | 19:45 |
| C3 | ggabriel, tethering as in providing an access point. | 19:45 |
| AL13N | if it's not a real keyb, i don't want it | 19:46 |
| pahartik | AL13N: "Bluetooth sharing" as in PAN? | 19:47 |
| AL13N | btw: in the same building there's an embedded linux company and i met one of them in the elevator at noon (to grab food) and i showed him my Jolla... he was impressed (told him it was the meego-successor) | 19:47 |
| AL13N | pahartik: it's probably obex push | 19:47 |
| AL13N | but that doesn't matter, it just works (TM) | 19:47 |
| tango_ | AL13N: not very practical to bring around | 19:48 |
| tango_ | not as practical as the n900 slide | 19:48 |
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| AL13N | tango_: true | 19:48 |
| edgars | bloody hell | 19:49 |
| AL13N | imho, the on screen fingerterm keyb is just as good as a physical keyb, cause i have stubby fingers | 19:49 |
| tango_ | AL13N: yes but it takes up a good chunk of the screen estate | 19:49 |
| edgars | systemctl stop aliendalvik.service | 19:49 |
| edgars | didnt help | 19:49 |
| tango_ | which the slide-out keyboard wouldn't do | 19:50 |
| AL13N | tango_: sure, but the fingerterm is transparent | 19:50 |
| AL13N | it's good enough for me | 19:50 |
| pahartik | AL13N: Well, I managed to ("OBEX PUSH") transfer one file to "Jolla Mobile", but then it rejected further attempts, some two weeks ago | 19:50 |
| tango_ | actually, one thing that would be interesting to design is a _foldable_ slide-out key | 19:50 |
| AL13N | edgars: systemd services can be started and stopped, but can still be started on-demand by other systemd services | 19:50 |
| AL13N | edgars: if you really want to get rid of it, you're gonna have to mask it | 19:51 |
| tango_ | something that folds to be as large as the jolla but when you pull it out it becomes larger | 19:51 |
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| AL13N | tango_: and the keys can have different labels | 19:51 |
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| AL13N | tango_: errrr | 19:51 |
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| edgars | AL13N: i want sound back | 19:51 |
| edgars | :) | 19:51 |
| AL13N | edgars: i donno, i never lost sound | 19:52 |
| tango_ | edgars: what does systemctl status aliendalvik.service say? | 19:52 |
| pahartik | AL13N: Since that I have managed to set up networking mostly properly, so can just "scp -pr" files over mobile network IPv6 | 19:52 |
| AL13N | pahartik: my IPv6 isn't using the mobile extensions | 19:52 |
| edgars | tango_ | 19:53 |
| edgars | Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/aliendalvik.service; static) Active: failed (Result: timeout) since Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:47:13 +0200; 5min ago | 19:53 |
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| AL13N | pahartik: but, it's true that the IPv6 works pretty well, (not like the DHCP for IPv4) | 19:53 |
| AL13N | edgars: maybe start it first, so you can stop it cleanly | 19:54 |
| tango_ | yep, sounds like a good idea | 19:54 |
| edgars | this is after i tried to stop it | 19:54 |
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| AL13N | edgars: i understand, but it might not have started properly to begin with, in which case stopping doesn't do much | 19:55 |
| pahartik | AL13N: IPv6 and Bluetooth are very important to me... This "quassel-client" is connected through them... | 19:57 |
| edgars | ehh shit | 19:58 |
| edgars | factory reset? | 19:58 |
| chem|st | tango_: how about we find us some 3d printer and try to "PSION 5"-TOH? | 19:58 |
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| tango_ | chem|st: no idea how the psion was | 20:13 |
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| chem|st | tango_: just google a picture and imagine you put the jolla into a TOH case like that where there is the screen | 20:15 |
| kor | the only problem with that is the keyboard | 20:15 |
| kor | it's the wrong way around | 20:15 |
| tango_ | hm the terminal swip gestures are a little too sensitive for my tastes, any wa to tune them? | 20:15 |
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| tango_ | chem|st: what I had in mind was more like the N900, but in addition with a keyboard that expands to more than the size of the jolla | 20:19 |
| tango_ | anyway, bedtime | 20:20 |
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| vanadis | Oh hai | 20:38 |
| vanadis | My Device is shipping since more than a week, is this normal? | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | "shipping" or "no longer just 'paid'" | 20:40 |
| vanadis | shipping. | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | and in what area are you? | 20:40 |
| vanadis | switzerland | 20:40 |
| vanadis | ordered on the 19.12. | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | more than a week is quite long indeed | 20:41 |
| vanadis | not sure if the NSA intercepted the delivery and is putting some backdoors in it. | 20:42 |
| ggabriel | vanadis: you may want to try to enter your order number in fedex "as reference" and see if anything pops up | 20:44 |
| vanadis | the jolla-order number? | 20:44 |
| vanadis | haven't got a tracking number yet | 20:45 |
| ggabriel | vanadis: doesn't matter :) | 20:45 |
| ggabriel | you can search by reference, enter country+post code and they'll tell you | 20:45 |
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| vanadis | Nope, nothing :3 | 20:48 |
| ggabriel | vanadis: more patience then i guess.... or email care@jolla.com | 20:49 |
| vanadis | k | 20:50 |
| vanadis | thx :3 | 20:50 |
| ggabriel | for reference, mine took 3.something weeks | 20:50 |
| ggabriel | but you had xmas and ny in between | 20:50 |
| NRKA | Hi, got my device today love it! | 20:50 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: \o/ | 20:51 |
| NRKA | Just some problem with installing apps | 20:51 |
| NRKA | It just says problem with store, any idea? | 20:52 |
| ggabriel | uhm... not really, did you upgrade to the latest version of the OS? | 20:52 |
| NRKA | its probalby stock 1.0.5? | 20:53 |
| ggabriel | you should probably upgrade first | 20:53 |
| NRKA | how do i do that? | 20:53 |
| ggabriel | settings->system settings->about->pull down, check for updates | 20:53 |
| ggabriel | or something like that | 20:53 |
| ggabriel | be in a wifi connection | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | or have a cheap data plan | 20:54 |
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| ggabriel | and if you still have issues, make sure you search together.jolla.com, some resolutions are there | 20:54 |
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| NRKA | ok thanks | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | the update is easily 300+ MB | 20:54 |
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| NRKA | Just checked for updates, it says it is updated and the version is 1.0.0.5 is this the lates? | 20:55 |
| ggabriel | no, it isn't :) | 20:55 |
| NRKA | Good! | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | there have been 2 major updates since that :D | 20:56 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: did you enable developer mode? | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | DON*T TOUCH DEVELOPER UPDATES | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | okay now that is out of the way | 20:57 |
| * ggabriel was going to be gentler | 20:57 | |
| ggabriel | :) | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | :D | 20:57 |
| NRKA | I tryed | 20:57 |
| Eztran | Uh-oh. | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: if you tried enabling dev updates | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | then you may be in trouble | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | why does everyone like, do that first thing after enabling dev mode | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: is it ok for you to restore to factory settings? | 20:57 |
| Eztran | I'm surprised none of the updates so far have attached 'DO NOT PUSH' to that button. | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: i'd have done exactly that, because it's there | 20:58 |
| NRKA | that was the first i found so, I tried it | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | Eztran: we removed the harmful part of it | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | but we cannot time travel to attach that to 1.0.0.5 | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | you have? | 20:58 |
| Eztran | Ah, so it's only harmful if people do it first thing? Not so bad... but loads did. | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 20:58 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: is it ok for you to restore to factory settings? that's the easiest thing you can do | 20:58 |
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| NRKA | Yes | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | good thing only a limited amount in the long run will be 1.0.0.5 based | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:59 |
| NRKA | should i do that? | 20:59 |
| ggabriel | then i recommend you do that, and then try to update | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | the alternative would be to play god with ssu | 20:59 |
| ggabriel | NRKA: just bear in mind that i'm a kind citizen, not a jolla employee recommending ;-) | 20:59 |
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| ggabriel | actually, if you do 1) restore to factory settings; 2) update straight away | 20:59 |
| ggabriel | you should be just fine | 20:59 |
| ggabriel | which is exactly what i did last time | 20:59 |
| ggabriel | so, don't bother installing anything aside from the jolla essentials, just update as soon as you can | 21:00 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps can slap me with a large trout if i'm wrong ;-) | 21:00 |
| ggabriel | s/trout/sailfish/ | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | or don't even install the essentials | 21:01 |
| * Stskeeps gets out the trouts.. | 21:01 | |
| Yaniel | might as well do that after the update | 21:01 |
| ggabriel | hey! i said a single trout/sailfish | 21:01 |
| NRKA | reseting right now | 21:01 |
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| Yaniel | ggabriel: he has to choose a good one now doesn't he? | 21:01 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: i'm actually wondering what's larger | 21:02 |
| ggabriel | sailfishes are quite big | 21:02 |
| ggabriel | so maybe i prefer a trout | 21:02 |
| ggabriel | maybe i prefer a sailfish | 21:03 |
| ggabriel | "they rarely weigh more than 90kg" | 21:03 |
| ggabriel | unless Stskeeps is a really big fellow, i should be fine ;-) | 21:03 |
| Yaniel | :D | 21:03 |
| Yaniel | it all boils down to the simple question: does he lift? | 21:06 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: even lifting, 90kg is a lot | 21:06 |
| ggabriel | if you think that you have to swing it around to slap somebody | 21:06 |
| ggabriel | lifting only exercises a small set of muscles | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | i do not lift. except baby. | 21:07 |
| ggabriel | can the baby unlock the jolla already? :) | 21:08 |
| Quu | meow | 21:08 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: do you even lift bro | 21:08 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: so you've got a newborn? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: well, not so newborn anymore | 21:10 |
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| Yaniel | haha :D that picture subtitle on wikipedia | 21:11 |
| Yaniel | "A sailfish exhibiting sail-raising behavior" | 21:12 |
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| ggabriel | fwiw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM_y2PZCNH4&t=42 | 21:13 |
| ggabriel | (it's a pretty fast fish) | 21:13 |
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| ottulo | http://fi8.eu.apcdn.com/full/112275.png | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | what's next? | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | Doge SHell? | 21:38 |
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| ottulo | maybe | 21:38 |
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| NRKA | when trying to update it hangs on searching | 21:59 |
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| NRKA | Fixed it, just had to login in to beable to update | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | to what | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | your jolla account? | 22:08 |
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| NRKA | Yes Jolla accont | 22:17 |
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| AL13N | we need a new app | 22:24 |
| AL13N | someone make it for me | 22:24 |
| AL13N | you have to smack someone in the face with the front of the phone | 22:24 |
| AL13N | the proximity sensor will be used to make a pic of the person's face at the exact right time, and it should be insta-shared accross social media | 22:25 |
| AL13N | any app developer ^^ ? | 22:25 |
| AL13N | call it "/me slaps with a large sailfish" | 22:25 |
| AL13N | or something | 22:25 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: Stskeeps: ^^ | 22:26 |
| AL13N | ok, fine... i'll just go to sleep | 22:28 |
| edgars | okey | 22:29 |
| edgars | looks like i have broken audio :/ | 22:29 |
| slate | speaker, headphone, drivers? | 22:29 |
| slate | earpiece? | 22:30 |
| edgars | speaker | 22:30 |
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| * pahartik wonders what "mer-tools" repository is all about | 22:30 | |
| M4rtinK | AL13N: looks like a nice use case for the Qt sensor gesture mentioned yesterday | 22:30 |
| edgars | fuck :/ | 22:31 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, the N900 legacy throw-your-phone-as-high-as-possible app has already been ported to Sailfish :) | 22:31 |
| slate | edgars: silent or distorted? | 22:31 |
| special | pahartik: useful tools? | 22:32 |
| edgars | slate: silent | 22:32 |
| pahartik | special: Well, can it be described as "usual Unix utilities"? | 22:33 |
| special | pahartik: sort of. Utilities useful for development, primarily. | 22:34 |
| special | pahartik: https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?project=mer-tools%3Adevel has a list of the packages | 22:35 |
| pahartik | special: Very nice | 22:36 |
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| edgars | heh, what a sad story :/ | 22:45 |
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| edgars | only 1 month old/young and already deffective :( | 22:48 |
| special | are you certain it's a hardware problem, first of all? | 22:49 |
| FireFly | edgars: any clue what could've caused it? | 22:49 |
| FireFly | did it just randomly stop working today, or what? | 22:49 |
| edgars | special: just factory reset it | 22:50 |
| edgars | FireFly: rigt, sound just dissapeared | 22:50 |
| edgars | yesterday | 22:50 |
| special | sucks. care@jolla.com will take care of you | 22:51 |
| FireFly | special: is the mer-tools repo supposed to be registered in pkcon/ssu, or would I ssu ar it? | 22:51 |
| FireFly | I'm still trying to get used to this package manager thing | 22:51 |
| special | FireFly: 'ssu ar mer-tools' will add it | 22:51 |
| FireFly | Oh, huh | 22:52 |
| FireFly | I thought I'd have to add a weird URL after that | 22:52 |
| edgars | special: yeah, and lost phone for a month or two :/ | 22:52 |
| special | it's registered in that there's a short alias for the URL, but it's not installed by default (because it has no use for non-developers) | 22:52 |
| FireFly | Makes sense | 22:52 |
| FireFly | I thought it'd be visible under ssu lr but under 'disabled repsoitories (global)' or something | 22:52 |
| Quu | finished Heebo :p | 22:52 |
| Quu | needs moar levels | 22:53 |
| FireFly | special: oh, and I suppose this disabled 'jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger' repo isn't anything interesting? | 22:53 |
| FireFly | I guess probably not | 22:54 |
| special | is that really on the release images | 22:55 |
| FireFly | Aaha | 22:56 |
| special | I wonder if Aard realizes that :p | 22:56 |
| FireFly | "Disabled repositories (user): - home ... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/" is what I see, nayway | 22:56 |
| FireFly | anyway* | 22:56 |
| special | you need credentials to access that URL. And there's nothing there. | 22:57 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sounds super intetesting that repo :) | 22:57 |
| * FireFly leaves it alone then | 22:58 | |
| Quu | theres nothing special in there. | 22:58 |
| special | Quu: the special stuff is at home:/jbrooks ;) | 22:58 |
| FireFly | Hm, "JP-1301" | 23:00 |
| FireFly | That's the first time I've seen something product-name-y about the device, other than just "Jolla" | 23:00 |
| edgars | huh | 23:00 |
| FireFly | or code-name-y I suppose | 23:00 |
| FireFly | That's from "ssu status" btw | 23:00 |
| edgars | just send sad email to care@ | 23:01 |
| Quu | http://linux.fi/wiki/Jolla_JP-1301 | 23:01 |
| FireFly | Nice logo :D | 23:01 |
| FireFly | It's the finnish tux of arms | 23:01 |
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| javispedro | SbJ sounds better | 23:11 |
| javispedro | "Sweet Baby Jesus" / "Sailfish <sth> Jolla" | 23:13 |
| javispedro | someone mentioned what the b meant on this channel, but I forgot. | 23:13 |
| special | it's a secret. | 23:13 |
| javispedro | I could grep the logs ... ;) | 23:14 |
| javispedro | bah, too sleepy for that. | 23:14 |
| FireFly | Hm, I wonder if things would break if I chsh to zsh | 23:17 |
| Yaniel | what could possibly go wrong | 23:18 |
| FireFly | Like, bootup scripts and things like that, if they assume that nemo's shell is bash for whatever reason | 23:18 |
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