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| Yaniel | ah | 00:03 |
| Yaniel | hmm irc queries integrated in Messages? :P | 00:03 |
| Yaniel | actually I'd want to see that :D | 00:04 |
| Morpog_ | nah | 00:04 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, where does one check 4g support for jolla? | 05:39 |
| lpotter | 4g has not yet been released | 05:40 |
| CoderCandy | Oh | 05:40 |
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| CoderCandy | It's just hw, no software yet? | 05:40 |
| lpotter | well.. it's not yet ready for release :) | 05:41 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, but the 4g hardware is still in the phone, right? | 05:42 |
| lpotter | yes | 05:43 |
| CoderCandy | Good, then I'll get awesome on the fly speeds at some point! | 05:43 |
| lpotter | indeed in some future update | 05:45 |
| CoderCandy | Sweet, I can't wait for when sailfish is polished up to the point of near perfection | 05:47 |
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| nahkiss | I wonder what caused my jolla alarm to think today is not monday | 06:32 |
| vegai | mine worked this morning, though | 06:32 |
| Pnuu | mine too :-/ | 06:32 |
| vegai | huh. | 06:32 |
| vegai | at least I seem to remember that I was woken by my alarm :) | 06:33 |
| jussi | pebkac? | 06:33 |
| vegai | not absolutely sure right now | 06:33 |
| nahkiss | I had alarm set to 6:55 and my gf woke me up 7:10 asking that don't I have work today :/ | 06:33 |
| TemeV | I wonder what makes my body to think it is not monday | 06:33 |
| nahkiss | just a bit worried, reliable alarm is kinda must, can't even get sleep if I'm not sure it whether it wakes me up or not on the morning | 06:34 |
| TemeV | usually when i blame the alarm clock, problem was that i had shut it down without really weaking up | 06:35 |
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| vegai | perhaps they're using the same half-assed implementation of alarmd (or some such) that I wrote 10 years ago :P | 06:39 |
| vegai | just kidding, there's no way... | 06:39 |
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| nahkiss | TemeV: I understand that's a possibility for some people, but I don't have that problem | 06:56 |
| TemeV | nahkiss: ok, just crossed my mind that have you checked that possibility :) | 06:57 |
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| tbr | nahkiss: did you have many apps open? | 06:59 |
| tbr | I had a situation where timed was running, but not reacting to dbus commands, I suspected that it might have been due to an near OOM condition, but couldn't prove it. | 07:00 |
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| nahkiss | 8 to 9 apps I guess | 07:04 |
| nahkiss | have to try shutting some down I guess | 07:04 |
| tbr | if it's the same you'll probably need to restart timed or the phone to recover | 07:05 |
| nahkiss | uh oh | 07:06 |
| nahkiss | well, good to know | 07:06 |
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| flux | did the most recent sailfishos support google calendar syncing? | 07:11 |
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| tango_ | yes but it's a little, hm, flaky? | 07:12 |
| flux | ok :) | 07:13 |
| tango_ | mostly, sometimes it just disconnects from the google account | 07:14 |
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| tachikoma | yay | 09:46 |
| tachikoma | battery charged fully on friday afternoon, unplugged around 17:00. This morning i had a look and battery was at 30% | 09:46 |
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| tachikoma | i did listen to some music on the weekend, had some quick online seraches and the kids played a bit some games | 09:47 |
| tachikoma | turning of the tohd really improved that phone a lot | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: mostly wlan i imagine tho | 09:47 |
| tachikoma | yes,however, watched accidently 20 minutes youtube video through 3g using wlan tethering | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | it lasts a long time on wlan, yeah | 09:48 |
| tachikoma | i did only notice when i was unable to connect to devices on the local network | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | but i think 3g needs some work | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | mine went out on sat night | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | i used it quite a lot, and was showing it as well | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | in total it lasted 1.5 days | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | the phone is super fast | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | and i think the reception quality is better than the n9 | 09:49 |
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| Yaniel | well then n9 must have been really bad | 09:56 |
| nahkiss | I have to charge like once or twice a week after tohd fix | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: my experience with the n9 is very good | 09:57 |
| nahkiss | and I have wlan off/3g on and use some android apps mostly | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: maybe i'm overusing the phone then :P | 09:58 |
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| nahkiss | or I'm just underusing | 10:01 |
| nahkiss | tbh, I barely fiddle anything | 10:01 |
| nahkiss | mostly when going to sleep, checking twitter or mail | 10:01 |
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| Kabouik | Hi folks | 10:46 |
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| Kabouik | I'm pleasantly surprised by Webcat from Llelectronics (in openrepos). The browser is the closest to the default browser I've found so far, yet it has more features | 10:47 |
| Kabouik | Any way to set it as default browser for the whole OS? | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: https://together.jolla.com/question/1836/set-default-browser/ | 10:50 |
| Pnuu | there was a question about default.. yup, that :-D | 10:50 |
| Kabouik | Thanks ggabriel, I'll try that after lunch! | 10:51 |
| Kabouik | I admit I hardly find time to follow both TMO and TJC, yet TJC contains a lot more useful info for the Jolla... But cannot forget TMO. :'< | 10:52 |
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| MMx | Stskeeps: hi. I experienced an "unexpected shutdown" of my Jolla last night. I left it with a few covers open, and in the morning it was off. After booting it still showed 12 or 15% battery. | 11:05 |
| MMx | Stskeeps: If I can provide you with some data to track down such problems, please tell me how. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | MMx: with or without charger | 11:06 |
| MMx | without charger | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:06 |
| MMx | just lying on the desk | 11:06 |
| ln- | MMx: is there a reason to believe the battery just didn't run out? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | i am about to board a flight but may prod you later | 11:07 |
| MMx | how I said "12-15% battery" was left | 11:07 |
| MMx | Stskeeps: sure | 11:07 |
| MMx | Stskeeps: tbr just told me to contact you directly. That's why I am asking here :) | 11:07 |
| ln- | MMx: that's assuming the battery doesn't recover at all when the phone is off, and that it would only run out at 0%. | 11:08 |
| MMx | ln-: well, it was still >50% in the evening, and even with the current known drain-bugs I would have expected it to last these 6h | 11:09 |
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| ggabriel | MMx: if you left tohd.service on, the same happened to me :) | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | not sure how it turned back on though | 11:11 |
| MMx | ggabriel: I don't stop that one at all, but never had it drain that fast before. | 11:11 |
| MMx | so it must be something else there in addition | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | i think there may be a few tings tbh | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | tohd.service being the most significant one | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | i didn't even bother with powertop myself | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | i'll wait for the next update to re evaluate all these things | 11:12 |
| MMx | I am not quite sure whether I switched off WiFi | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | MMx: my phone often decides to go to mobile data during the night | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | and it takes it a long time to come back to wifi | 11:13 |
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| MMx | and as my AP switches off during the night, maybe the reconnecting stuff went beserk | 11:13 |
| MMx | ggabriel: not using mobile data at all. never. | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | ah, ok | 11:13 |
| MMx | and I hope it doesn't do without asking, as I don't have a data plan | 11:14 |
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| ggabriel | MMx: MMx you can always disable it :) | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | and continue using the call features | 11:15 |
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| MMx | but I think guessing isn't going to unearth the culprit here. I need to do some logging or similar - hope Stskeeps can provide me some details on that. | 11:15 |
| MMx | ggabriel: that's what I did. It's disabled in the settings. | 11:16 |
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| pawky|3 | duh, isn't there any cron.d, crontab etc? | 11:16 |
| MMx | anyway, lunchtime now | 11:16 |
| MMx | bbl | 11:16 |
| pawky|3 | crontab, anyone? | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | lots of things were invented/discovered by guessing :D | 11:17 |
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| ggabriel | pawky|3: not sure it comes with the jolla, but may be installable through mer-tools? | 11:18 |
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| pawky|3 | ggabriel: ok, but the crond daemon exists I hope, or? | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | i have no clue | 11:19 |
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| smokex | if it doesn't already exist, it should be buildable with the sdk | 11:21 |
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| pawky|3 | smokex, well a bit long way to go to get standard linux stuff... | 11:22 |
| pawky|3 | cron.daily exists, so some type of cron seems to exist... somewhere.. | 11:23 |
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| bara | systemd has some cron functionality too https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality | 11:25 |
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| * ggabriel beginning to feel like today is a day to stay away from tjc.... | 11:59 | |
| MFaro-Tusino | Is droid-system package OSS? | 11:59 |
| ggabriel | MFaro-Tusino: if you mean alian dalvik, no | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | alien even | 12:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well alien and droid-system are separate packages | 12:00 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hence why I asked | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | ok, sorry, nfc re droid-system :) | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | MFaro-Tusino: according to this: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState it's closed | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | but not sure how up to date that is | 12:03 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | given "droid-system-sbj-0.1.9-10.bris-0.0.11-10.4.1.jolla.armv7hl (is this?)" is the line | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | yup | 12:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | It seems its not really known | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | ? | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | it's definitely under closed | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | the "(is this?)p" seems to be regarding the name of the package | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | but *shrug* | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps will surely know, he may be on a plane right now tho | 12:06 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I assume its closed | 12:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Just want 100% confirmation | 12:11 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I think he is on the way to fosdem | 12:11 |
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| tbr | no fosdem is at the end of january | 12:14 |
| tbr | some sort of jolla meetings in helsinki it seems :) | 12:14 |
| stephg | MFaro-Tusino, the license on the RPM says this: License : Proprietary | 12:15 |
| stephg | so closed | 12:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | thanks Stephg :) | 12:15 |
| stephg | and from looking at the files in there | 12:16 |
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| stephg | well: rpm -qil droid-system-sbj | less for yourself :) | 12:16 |
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| pawky|3 | why doesn't pkcon install name PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+26-1.10.1.armv7hl work? | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | try without 'name' | 12:39 |
| pawky|3 | why doesn't pkcon install name PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+26-1.10.1.armv7hl work? | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | and don't repeat yourself | 12:40 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd... i studder.... | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | on IRC? | 12:40 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd: nope, that didn't work | 12:40 |
| petantik | local-install? | 12:41 |
| pawky|3 | patantik: no... | 12:41 |
| pawky|3 | Fatal error: nothing provides cronie needed by PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+26-1.10.1.armv7hl | 12:41 |
| petantik | oh, you need cronie installed beforehand | 12:42 |
| pawky|3 | ohh... loll thought that was a cute way to say crond.. | 12:42 |
| nahkiss | there's nothing cute in unix world | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | it's a harsh world | 12:42 |
| Yaniel | but also a rewarding one | 12:42 |
| pawky|3 | nahkiss: http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs27/f/2008/095/d/7/Cute_ASCII_kitty_by_Davirus.png | 12:44 |
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| pawky|3 | anywhere I can find this cronie? | 12:51 |
| Yaniel | that is not even ascii :/ | 12:51 |
| pawky|3 | Yaniel: http://www.dougsartgallery.com/images/ASCII-cat-kitten-1-mmmm.gif | 12:53 |
| pawky|3 | Yaniel: better? | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | why would you store an ASCII kitten as a gif? | 12:55 |
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| pawky|3 | Nicd: does it matter? | 12:56 |
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| pawky|3 | ／l、 ﾞ（ﾟ､ ｡ ７ l、ﾞ ~ヽ じしf_, )ノ | 13:03 |
| pawky|3 | Yaniel: I would say ^ is ascii .... | 13:04 |
| Yaniel | not really | 13:04 |
| Yaniel | unicode at best | 13:04 |
| Pnuu | seems to be non-ascii characters ;-) | 13:04 |
| pawky|3 | Well, its not 7 bit.. | 13:04 |
| Yaniel | or SHIFT-JIS | 13:04 |
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| pawky|3 | anyway, I still believe I have proven there are cute things in unix... :-D | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | that has nothing to do with unix though | 13:17 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd: well, if its stored on my unix partition, I have something cute in unix... | 13:18 |
| pawky|3 | its not on NTFS... | 13:19 |
| Pnuu | Qt? | 13:19 |
| pawky|3 | Pnuu: lol | 13:19 |
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| Nicd- | but do you have unix or linux? | 13:22 |
| pawky|3 | Nicd: a bit of both... | 13:22 |
| pawky|3 | but, mostly linux... | 13:23 |
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| tbr | http://merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/latest.log.html | 13:26 |
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| Nicd- | nooo, I look like salmon | 13:28 |
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| ericcc | tbr nice thank you | 13:47 |
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| atlaz | I wonder what my coloris gonna be! | 13:49 |
| atlaz | YELLOW! NO WAY. I WANT BLACK! | 13:49 |
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| tneo | hello, is it possible to import contacts over bluetooth from my nokia device? | 14:00 |
| Jope | for some it is possible to set up a bluetooth sync | 14:01 |
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| tachikoma | worked for me | 14:02 |
| tachikoma | sent an adrssbook entry | 14:02 |
| tachikoma | did not import automatically but somehow i got it to do that | 14:02 |
| Jope | I just exported them to vcf on my computare machien and took that to the sailfish device | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | computare machien sounds french | 14:04 |
| tachikoma | calculateur ;) | 14:05 |
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| Nicd- | calculateur ma chien | 14:06 |
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| tneo | tachikoma, If I connect with the nokia device and try to send, it says that the service is not available on the jolla :-/ | 14:07 |
| tneo | Ah I have to do one by one :) | 14:11 |
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| * tango_ wants a tachikoma | 14:18 | |
| tango_ | (never mind me) | 14:18 |
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| mikma | almost had a small heartattack today at work cause i lost my jolla after we had been exploding some rocks | 14:32 |
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| mikma | i spent 1,5 hours searching the phone from the workground at Nokia | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | tango_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVC7_t92X8Y | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | exploding rocks sounds like a very good reason to lose anything | 14:32 |
| Yaniel | absolutely | 14:32 |
| tachikoma | 'exploding some rocks' sounds like fun ..... | 14:33 |
| Yaniel | it's almost like sharks with frickin' lazers | 14:33 |
| mikma | ggabriel: well, sure :) that's my job and i love it (not losing the items) | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: but but, didn't the tachikomas have little wheels at the end of their legs? | 14:33 |
| tango_ | tachikoma: yeah I know but the project aborted IIRC | 14:33 |
| tachikoma | mikma: lets change jobs for a week - pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssseeeeeeee ;) | 14:33 |
| mikma | tachikoma: :D | 14:33 |
| mikma | http://kinky.fi/mining/Huittinen_20.4.2011_3000kg_nonel.avi | 14:33 |
| mikma | that's what i do daily | 14:33 |
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| tachikoma | tango_: http://www.xevel.fr/blog/index.php?post/2010/12/12/Design-of-the-Bioloid-based-Xachikoma-for-Eurobot | 14:34 |
| tachikoma | ;) | 14:34 |
| Yaniel | huhu, the webcat browser seems nice at first glance | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | mikma: nice :) | 14:34 |
| tango_ | ok, I need a 3D printer | 14:34 |
| tango_ | like, yesterday | 14:34 |
| mikma | ggabriel: lots of other misc stuff at http://kinky.fi/mining/ etc | 14:35 |
| mikma | i was absolutely certain that excavator had drive over the phone | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | tango_: i heard about a few cheap ones in ces, but not sure they deliver yesterday | 14:35 |
| svuorela | mikma: did you recover your phone ? | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | mikma: that sounds bad, yeah | 14:35 |
| mikma | but luckily, it was in my lunchbag... dunno why | 14:35 |
| tango_ | too bad the AI won't be the real one | 14:36 |
| mikma | it was on vibrate, eventho i had set it to have volume max | 14:36 |
| mikma | everything shows that it is supposed to be volume max but it didn't ring | 14:36 |
| tachikoma | tango_: true | 14:36 |
| tango_ | otoh maybe you can install sailfish os on it | 14:37 |
| tango_ | a jolla branded tachikoma would be cool | 14:37 |
| leinir | ha, yeah ;) | 14:37 |
| tachikoma | absolutely | 14:38 |
| Pnuu | tango_: send me one (3d-printer), too, thanks | 14:39 |
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| tango_ | Pnuu: remind me when I'm rich | 14:41 |
| Pnuu | so in 30 minutes? | 14:42 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: I wish | 14:42 |
| flux | there is some gesture I've accidentally activated for zooming text input field. anyone know what iti is?-o | 14:44 |
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| pawky|3 | Nicd: I think its ordinateur, in frenc... | 14:51 |
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| pawky|3 | tachikoma: whats that for legged thing with an outbord engine all about? | 14:54 |
| pawky|3 | tachikoma: or is it a walking loo? | 14:54 |
| tachikoma | i might be used for that | 14:55 |
| tachikoma | well - it. but not too wrong also :) | 14:56 |
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| ottulo | seems like my notification led is dead :/ | 15:24 |
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| ottulo | I did mess with the patterns, but I shouldn't have touched anything wrong | 15:25 |
| ottulo | also, they worked at first after my edits, but lately the led won't light up at all | 15:25 |
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| FireFly | have you tried turning it on via /sys/class/leds/... ? | 15:31 |
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| teve | there is also led test on CSD tool: *#*#310#*#* | 15:37 |
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| sledges | flux: it's a text select (long press on a word, and after change selection when dragging markers - is when zoom happens) | 15:42 |
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| ottulo | oh, I did know about the CSD tool but I haven't tried it | 15:53 |
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| ottulo | well, the LED test fails | 15:54 |
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| ShadowJK | is it just me, or does msyncd and timed-qt5 run on wifi/packetdata established, in O(uptime^2) time? | 15:56 |
| w00t | ShadowJK: I don't understand the question | 15:57 |
| ottulo | hmm, rebooted and led turned on for a moment during boot | 15:58 |
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| Nicd- | what is the LED test? | 15:58 |
| ottulo | yet the test fails | 15:58 |
| ottulo | <teve> there is also led test on CSD tool: *#*#310#*#* | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | is it "MMI Test"? | 15:59 |
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| ottulo | type that in dialler, choose Single test -> LED | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | ah it's another menu | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | I was afraid of clicking on it :P | 15:59 |
| flux | sledges, hm, ok :). I wished there was a way to zoom otherwise like in n9, but that's helpful as well | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | my LED test succeeds | 16:00 |
| ottulo | clearly the LED still works as it did light up on boot | 16:00 |
| ottulo | but somehow it won't anymore | 16:00 |
| sledges | flux: yes, cursor navigation needs love | 16:00 |
| ottulo | <FireFly> have you tried turning it on via /sys/class/leds/... ? <- not sure how to do this | 16:00 |
| faenil | flux, you don't need to select, just tap on the word and move the finger to the side without waiting for it to be selected | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | faenil: yeah, that doesn't work all the time :) | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | but it's great when it does | 16:03 |
| Nicd- | hmm, Jolla hifi experience: want to listen to music but no headphones? play from the phone speaker (above the screen), turn the phone around and press your ear on the OH | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | w00t: everytime jolla drops wifi and reconnects, timed-qt5 and msyncd consume both 100% cpu. The amount of time they do this seems to.be increasing. Yesterday about a minute, today 5 min | 16:05 |
| faenil | ggabriel, actually it works 100% for me :) but you have to tap and move on the cursor | 16:05 |
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| faenil | flux, let me know if you get it working ;) | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | faenil: i remember reading that you have to tap and move your finger down (not sure why "down) | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | to the side it works a bit better, yeah, but i had different experience with different applicatoins | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | it's ok, i wouldn't say it needs "a lot" of love | 16:06 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: tried in browser? | 16:06 |
| faenil | no need :) just swipe your finger on the words, but the swipe must start from the cursor position | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | sledges: nope, browser doesn't work for text selection iirc | 16:07 |
| sledges | ggabriel: in input fields | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | faenil: oh, that makes sense | 16:07 |
| sledges | is where love needed | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | sledges: fair enough, didn't try that scenario | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | faenil: yet another thing to add to the tutorial ;-) | 16:07 |
| faenil | ggabriel, I'm not sure this is intended, it's just the way I use it :) and it works quite reliably | 16:07 |
| w00t | ShadowJK: have you rebooted recently? | 16:07 |
| sledges | faenil: great find that one! | 16:07 |
| faenil | but if it's like it was intended designers, yes it definitely needs a tutorial | 16:08 |
| faenil | by* designers | 16:08 |
| faenil | sledges, thanks :) | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | sledges: i find what faenil describes in tjc | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | just described better by faenil here | 16:08 |
| faenil | I don't have time to read tjc unfortunately as I'm quite busy with uni stuff :/ | 16:09 |
| Venemo | Morpog_Mobile or Morpog_PC ping :) | 16:09 |
| faenil | if I were to open tjc, I'd waste days on it :D | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | faenil: yeah, stay away. i found it coz i was going to open a question but somebody already had that problem | 16:09 |
| FireFly | ottulo: using the LED tester thingy is probably a better idea anyway | 16:09 |
| faenil | ggabriel, :) | 16:09 |
| ottulo | FireFly: yeah, did that, now looking for any switches that might bump it to suddenly work :P | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | actually the guide says " | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | Double-tap, then drag within the document to zoom in - this lets you choose your cursor position more carefully. | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | (on the topic of copy/pasting) | 16:10 |
| ottulo | I don't think corrupted patterns file could cause the led to fail the test? | 16:10 |
| ggabriel | perhaps more is needed there too | 16:10 |
| FireFly | But anyway, echo 10 >/sys/class/leds/led:rgb_red/brightness should make it faintly red | 16:10 |
| FireFly | (as root) | 16:10 |
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| ottulo | well, that again does work | 16:11 |
| faenil | ggabriel, yeah basically because first tap changes cursor position, and second tap starts the "swipe" :) | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | w00t: no. That was my impression, that the cpu hogging is increasing expnentially. | 16:11 |
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| FireFly | ottulo: then maybe it's the patterns file. Perhaps the LED API (that the test also uses) loads that file regardless | 16:12 |
| faenil | so you can just trigger it by starting the swipe on the cursor | 16:12 |
| FireFly | ottulo: I assume you've tried rebooting to see if that magically helps? | 16:12 |
| ottulo | FireFly: yeah, I better test that | 16:12 |
| ottulo | FireFly: just did after the failed test | 16:12 |
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| FireFly | no clue then | 16:12 |
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| ottulo | gonna restore the patterns file and see if that helps, maybe I messed up the file somehow after all | 16:13 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo: pong | 16:14 |
| Venemo | Morpog_Mobile: could you please join us in #communi ? :) | 16:15 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sure | 16:15 |
| ottulo | FireFly: restored the original patterns file, restarted service, led test still fails | 16:16 |
| ottulo | yet it does work if manually setting the brightness from fingerterm | 16:17 |
| ottulo | I'll post on tjc, maybe someone there can give a hint | 16:17 |
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| Kabouik | For some reason, my Jolla doesn't lock automatically despitethe lock time being set to 1 min | 16:27 |
| Kabouik | I can still lock it with swipe down or power button though | 16:27 |
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| Kabouik | I have not tried rebooting it yet (too lazy to type again the command to stop the OH NFC service :o, and I don't want to type the permanent command :o) | 16:28 |
| ottulo | you can always unmask it later if you wish to get it back | 16:29 |
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| Kabouik | Yes I know, but… I’m afraid I’ll forget (I know I won’t, it’s just silly | 16:30 |
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| Kabouik | :| | 16:30 |
| ottulo | it's human nature to resist change | 16:31 |
| ottulo | but resistance is futile! | 16:31 |
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| ggabriel | depends on what side of the diode you are | 16:33 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: I posted the passcode lock bug on together.jolla now and also noticed that you can just cheat views for your post by continuously opening tabs :D | 16:35 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/14415/bug-device-passcode-lock-will-sometimes-be-bypassed-when-connecting-to-a-pc-with-usb/ | 16:36 |
| ottulo | https://together.jolla.com/question/14430/notification-led-not-turning-on-and-fails-test/ | 16:38 |
| flanag | really weird | 16:39 |
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| Kabouik | Guys, other than the lock screen not coming up automatically, I have another issue with notifications: | 16:43 |
| Kabouik | 1. Accounts keep saying they got disconnected, though I can still view new emails when I open the email app, or chat with Gchat. | 16:44 |
| Kabouik | 2. I still have old notifications poping upon reboots, like a missed call from at least 2 weeks ago, which keep neing displayed as "22 hours ago" (or so) when I reboot | 16:44 |
| Kabouik | Should I hammer my Jolla? | 16:44 |
| Kabouik | being* | 16:45 |
| flanag | try with a rubber hammer first | 16:45 |
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| Kabouik | Sounds like a temporary fix. Shouldn't I hammer it once and for all? | 16:46 |
| flanag | I would still try first with the rubber one | 16:47 |
| Kabouik | :o | 16:48 |
| Kabouik | But am I the only one experiencing that? I have that since a while | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: sadly i don't use google and i can safely clear my notifications | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: ever reset the device? | 16:49 |
| Kabouik | I usually had account disconnections every day, but used to log in again each time I got notifications. It's just that I finally ended up fed up with doing it, so I let it as it was, and noticed I could still see emails and chat | 16:49 |
| Kabouik | Never reset it, and don't want to reset it at this point, really :( | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: i did configure gtalk via standard xmpp and it works nicely | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | but my jolla isn't my primary phone yet | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: did you have trouble upgrading to latest sailfish? ever attempted to upgrade via the command line? | 16:50 |
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| Nicd- | Kabouik: I think account disconnection is for contact & calendar sync | 16:50 |
| Waitee | jolla is so far the best phone i've had | 16:50 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but I cannot say whether it's related to the Google account yet, or just accounts in general conflicting with anything (like connection to the same accounts with my computers) | 16:50 |
| Kabouik | No ggabriel, upgraded flawlessly using the gui | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: if it helps, i'm connected via xmpp to gtalk by 2 devices | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: then i dunno :( | 16:51 |
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| Kabouik | Waitee: for me, N900 will forever be the king (the OS was awsome too), but Jolla his still great | 16:52 |
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| pa | Kabouik, what was wrong with N9? | 16:52 |
| Kabouik | Good point Nicd-, perhaps it's that. However I have two Google accounts which have no Calendar and Contacts sync activated, and they get disconnected too according to notifications | 16:52 |
| Kabouik | Nothing pa, I liked it too. The leap from the N900 was a bit toough, but I still enjoyed the device and OS. I | 16:53 |
| Kabouik | -his +is, sorry for broken English sometimes, I'm distracted in real life | 16:53 |
| pa | i think that, considering all together (hardware design, system, UI look and feel, bundled sofware, etc), N9 is still undefeated | 16:55 |
| pa | it is far from being perfect, but still undefeated :) | 16:56 |
| Kabouik | Jolla with post-beta Sailfish should be on par with updated hardware, and very good UI design too | 16:56 |
| Kabouik | Both will be pretty close at least | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | i'll reserve my opinion to when a) jolla is my main phone and b) we are out of beta | 16:58 |
| Waitee | i like the overall ui of sailfish but silica way of bringing my wallpaper to every app is ugly | 16:58 |
| Waitee | imo | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | the n9 will have things that the jolla will probably not have ootb, such as nokia drive/maps | 16:59 |
| Kabouik | But I still think the N900 and OS can be considered undefeated too :p (yes, the OS interface was not as simple as Sailfish, but the screen was smaller so buttons could be tapped easily, plus the stylus helped a lot, much easier to use than Android on large screens) | 16:59 |
| Waitee | ugly isnt the right word | 16:59 |
| Waitee | i just dont like the thing that all apps look the same | 16:59 |
| svuorela | how do I reproducible get the 'bottom bar' in the browser visible ? It seems to be available when loading a page, but I haven't found the good way to once I have read a page to enter a new url | 17:00 |
| Kabouik | Well, here that's a matter of personal opinions: that's the basic spirit of Sailfish, and I like it a lot | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: swipe up | 17:00 |
| Kabouik | Though it requires a bit more learning before distinguishing app covers | 17:00 |
| flanag | svuorela: and then press the tab icon | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: as in, swipe as if you were going up in the page, not down | 17:00 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: pull down* | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: yeah, that's the correct term | 17:00 |
| Waitee | :D | 17:00 |
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| ggabriel | ok, lipstick definitley uses ~21% RAM if i have my 9 covers used | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | close all and it goes back to 10-11% | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | and the device is smoother ofc | 17:02 |
| svuorela | flanag, ggabriel: funny. now it is coming back each time I'm trying it. I_tried that earlier today with success around 20% of the time | 17:02 |
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| ggabriel | svuorela: it doesn't work sometimes | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | e.g., full screen bbc videos | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | if the page doesn't scroll, it doesn't work | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | sometimes it stays there | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | sometimes it doesn't go away | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | i think with bbc the problem is that it stays and i want it to go | 17:03 |
| Kabouik | I really look forward to the point where Webcat will support downloads and being default browser (currently it doesn't work) | 17:04 |
| flanag | Kabouik: I don't really like the qt webkit engine | 17:04 |
| Kabouik | So am I the only one with outdated notifications? Never happened to anybody in the 393 people here? :< | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | i'll try to avoid webkit too.... | 17:05 |
| Kabouik | For what reason exactly? (Naive question) | 17:05 |
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| ggabriel | i never had a good overall experience with it, when tried with safari/chromium | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | so i try to avoid it | 17:05 |
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| ggabriel | also, i know that webcat uses things that are not yet approved/standardised, so may break in future | 17:06 |
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| ggabriel | i'll give the jolla browser another chance in the next update, altho it works 80% of the cases | 17:06 |
| flanag | it's annoying that the links still stop working.. | 17:06 |
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| Waitee | jolla browser has worked fine but the design is not what i want of a browser | 17:07 |
| Waitee | at least it should keep loaded more than one tab | 17:07 |
| flanag | that's not a design decision | 17:07 |
| flanag | they have to optimize the memory consumption first | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | yup | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | looking forward to that too | 17:07 |
| Kabouik | They could have with real tabs though | 17:07 |
| Kabouik | People wouldn't get mad if the device gets sluggish with 15 tabs open | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: i wonder what kind of people you know ;-) | 17:08 |
| flanag | I think atm they could at least allow 2 tabs | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | also, safari does the same in ios, right? | 17:08 |
| Kabouik | iOS is everything but a relevant reference :o | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | sadly, ppl get used to it | 17:08 |
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| ggabriel | you don't want a reviewer comparing and saying that ios is better because memory mgmt is better | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | Venemo mentioned a good example with ff os | 17:09 |
| Kabouik | For instance ggabriel, if you use an Android browser (which I'd like to avoid for several reasons), you can have more than 4-5 tabs without slugginess | 17:09 |
| Kabouik | Same with Webcat | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | tabs get unloaded as memory is required | 17:09 |
| Kabouik | So it was achievable with Sailfish Browser | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: you mean webcat | 17:09 |
| flanag | Kabouik: stezz has stated that they need to optimize it and they will | 17:09 |
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| Kabouik | Yet I think I prefer the Webcat UI over default browser's one flanag, although both are pretty close | 17:10 |
| flanag | I prefer the UI atm too | 17:11 |
| flanag | I don't like that I have wait for an animation to complete to see my tabs | 17:11 |
| flanag | they could learn from Naked Browser on Android, it's not pretty but I like how the UI functions | 17:12 |
| Kabouik | Yes, and details such as the top/bottom shortcuts | 17:12 |
| Kabouik | or URL bar always displayed | 17:12 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... this tracker is a bit dodgy | 17:28 |
| ggabriel | let's give it a bit more time | 17:28 |
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| krnlyng | is there an easy way to import contacts from harmattan into sailfish? | 17:44 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng: yes | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | assuming you have dev mode enabled on Jolla do | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | on N9: go to contacts > menu > export to file | 17:47 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | copy the content of <mass_storage>/Contacts to somewhere on the Jolla (like /home/nemo/imports) | 17:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cd <place_where_contacts_folder_is>/Contacts | 17:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cat *.vcf > ALL.vcf | 17:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mv ALL.vcf /home/nemo | 17:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | go to settings > apps > people and tap (in the import section) ALL.vcf. Enjoy | 17:49 |
| krnlyng | Sfiet_Konstantin: thank you very much :) | 17:49 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i paired the devices with bluetooth and then synced | 17:49 |
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| krnlyng | HarhaanJohtaja: i don't have my jolla phone yet, i'm still waiting for it (i want to import the contacts on my n9 into sailfish on n9) | 17:50 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, how can I find out which version of a native app I have installed, if the info is not available in-app? | 17:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | bennypr0fane: assuming dev mode installed | 17:54 |
| bennypr0fane | yes | 17:54 |
| krnlyng | Sfiet_Konstantin: hmpf there is no option to export to a file on my n9? | 17:54 |
| pahartik | HarhaanJohtaja: How does initiate such "sync"? | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | go in terminal and enter "rpm -qi harbour-<app>" | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng: in contacts, what do you have ? | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in the menu | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there are two export options iirc | 17:55 |
| krnlyng | "Kontakte exportieren" (translation: export contacts) and i can only export to the sim card if i choose that option | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng: :( | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there used to be export ot contacts ... :( | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | to file I meant | 17:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng:other options ? | 17:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what are they ? | 17:56 |
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| krnlyng | (translated) Sort, Show, add group, merge contacts, import contacts, export contacts, delete contacts | 17:57 |
| krnlyng | i have MyDocs formatted as ext3, could that be the reason the setting is not available? | 17:57 |
| krnlyng | maybe it has no write access? | 17:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng: this might be the cause | 17:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you have a Contacts folder in MyDocs ? | 17:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if not, create one in 755 mode ? | 17:58 |
| krnlyng | nope :D and i have no write access to MyDocs... i'll try to fix that | 17:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | krnlyng: or try simply to bluetooth ? | 17:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even if file absed is safer imo | 17:59 |
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| pahartik | HarhaanJohtaja: Oh, I managed to find that feature from "Settings" application of "Nokia N900" | 18:00 |
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| hariainm | hello everyone | 18:03 |
| hariainm | need help with something: | 18:03 |
| hariainm | https://together.jolla.com/question/13308/prevent-jolla-from-regenerating-desktop-files/ | 18:03 |
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| attah | hariainm: wouldn't that kinda be solved by folder support? | 18:05 |
| hariainm | maybe | 18:06 |
| hariainm | but it works in N9, the removed files stay deleted after reboot, but not in Jolla. Maybe some initd tweaks? | 18:06 |
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| attah | i think it's a good idea to not be able to have invisible apps.. from an anti-malware point of view | 18:07 |
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| hariainm | sure you have some point | 18:08 |
| bennypr0fane | Sfiet_Konstantin: is there no way to find out in the GUI? | 18:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think so | 18:09 |
| hariainm | but having play store i need google settings (and his icon) and for flash i need flash setting (and his icon) and for android support i need yandex (which i dont need at all) | 18:09 |
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| hariainm | i supposse some daemon watch or take regist of the installed apps at boot | 18:10 |
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| hariainm | i just want to know where it is (i exists) and tweak it | 18:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: rm /data/app/<the_apk_you_don't_like> | 18:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 18:11 |
| hariainm | ... | 18:12 |
| hariainm | but then i loose the functions of it | 18:12 |
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| hariainm | i WANT the app, but not the icon | 18:12 |
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| hariainm | i mean the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications | 18:13 |
| attah | And how do you propose launching it? Or is it only like android support? | 18:13 |
| hariainm | the apps i'm talking about are apks | 18:13 |
| Nicd- | he just explained himself :P | 18:14 |
| hariainm | i want firefox with flasjh | 18:14 |
| hariainm | *flash | 18:14 |
| hariainm | i installed flash but i dont want Flash Player Settings in my desktop | 18:14 |
| attah | yeah.. that one i got.. just thought you had problems with native apps too | 18:14 |
| hariainm | since is a link to a webpage | 18:14 |
| krnlyng | Sfiet_Konstantin: thanks again, it was really just because i had no write permissions on MyDocs | 18:14 |
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| hariainm | and the same with yandex.store | 18:15 |
| hariainm | i want android support but not the store | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: the store is not related to android support | 18:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: remove the yandex apk and then you are done | 18:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | easy | 18:16 |
| hariainm | i know. I want to know what are the process who managed to regenerate previously deleted files in /usr/share/applications and *edit* some entries | 18:18 |
| hariainm | is a deamon? | 18:18 |
| hariainm | is watching access to /data/app? | 18:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: yep | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is apkd | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | still not understanding what you want | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah you want to hide the icon only ... Not possible atm imo | 18:20 |
| hariainm | yes! | 18:21 |
| hariainm | i know is not supported at moment, but... maybe some hint to do it myself | 18:22 |
| hariainm | ;-) | 18:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: If you systemctl mask apkd.service, I wonder what happen | 18:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | will you get a nice brick ? | 18:22 |
| hariainm | ln- s "/dev/null' "/etc/systemd/system/apkd.service" | 18:25 |
| hariainm | this is what i get | 18:25 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: well, noone except you is responsible if youget a brick at next reboot | 18:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | good luck | 18:37 |
| hariainm | i didnt | 18:37 |
| hariainm | i dont know if i explained correctly my problem | 18:39 |
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| hariainm | something is regenerating previously deleted .desktop files in /usr/share/applications. I remove the files, it works, but at reboot they are there again. | 18:40 |
| hariainm | i want to avoid this | 18:40 |
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| hariainm | what are the proccess who's resposible for this? | 18:40 |
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| hariainm | from where this proccess at init *reads* the apps previously installed, check if all of them are ok and regenerate/install again etc? | 18:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: apkd is responsible of this | 18:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it do this when /data/app is changed and maybe during startup | 18:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm telling this that this daemon is managed by systemd, and it might be mandatory for the session to launch | 18:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so if you disable this daemon, there might be problems | 18:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's all | 18:43 |
| hariainm | ok, and where can i edit this? some plain text file with a list of apps or something? | 18:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: systemctl | 18:43 |
| hariainm | i dont want to disable, but to ignore some apk files | 18:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: but what about writing your script, ran by systemd at startup, that cleans /usr/share/applications ? | 18:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hariainm: there is no way | 18:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | right now, apkd don't ignore them, and there are no config file to tell it | 18:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | IIRC | 18:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | think about the cleanup script | 18:45 |
| hariainm | yes, i already though about that | 18:45 |
| hariainm | but as last option | 18:45 |
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| hariainm | first i wanted to know why jolla implement this (not present in harmattan) and how to fix it by myself | 18:46 |
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| hariainm | if as said "there is no way" then i should make an init script | 18:48 |
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| hariainm | ok done, thanks | 18:53 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | did they fix the battery problems in the last update? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | no, that one came in xmas time | 19:33 |
| flanag | you mean 1.0.2.5? | 19:33 |
| flanag | ah btw Stskeeps, check the thread I created for the passcode problem if you haven't yet | 19:33 |
| flanag | https://together.jolla.com/question/14415/bug-device-passcode-lock-will-sometimes-be-bypassed-when-connecting-to-a-pc-with-usb/ | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: i'll look in the morning.. but yes, i'll bring it up in plannin | 19:33 |
| flanag | ok, great to hear | 19:34 |
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| Venemo_j | hey Stskeeps I hope you're having an awesome day today! | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: well, no, not the best | 19:35 |
| Tofe | monday rarely is the best day | 19:36 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: ah, I'm sorry. i wish I could help somehow | 19:36 |
| kehnoo_ | well you should be happy as I haven't bugged Stskeeps so it means my phone is working fine :) | 19:36 |
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| cvp | hi@all | 19:37 |
| Venemo_j | hi cvp | 19:37 |
| anacron | dammit, I can't change the volume while broadcasting to chromecast | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | that works in the first place? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:38 |
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| anacron | well at least with youtube it works, netflix didn't want to load the movie | 19:39 |
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| smokex | hariainm: its probably in one of the onshot scripts | 19:42 |
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| hariainm | smokex: any clue of how to tweak it? | 19:44 |
| smokex | oneshot | 19:44 |
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| smokex | look in /usr/lib/oneshot.d | 19:46 |
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| smokex | there are scripts there to copy over default files on startup | 19:48 |
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| stephg | ello ello ello | 20:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Everything connects to my wifi, except jolla and ffos | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | rmmod wlan ; modprobe wlan fixes it on jolla :D | 20:59 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | were in this boat together pal. :/ | 20:59 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | cool | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: ffos is what device | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | Zte open | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | ah, so probably the msm7227 with same wifi | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | There's no root, and bootloader is locked on zte "open" firefoxos though, so no reloading of wifi :P | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | sure it's really locked? i got my alcatel into fastboot | 21:03 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | sounds fun | 21:03 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | but guys it does seem like theres like a million people in this room but only 2 people talking :S | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's normal | 21:04 |
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| ShadowJK | Atleast there's a bugzilla bug about it, and some mozilla people saying they'll prod zte | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | though it looks like zte has no intention of touching it ever again | 21:04 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | is it a good or bad idea to get google play on the jolla? Wondering if it might mess something up in a future update | 21:17 |
| mikma | propably not a bad idea if you the backup like instructions tell | 21:20 |
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| XwZ | hi everyone | 21:36 |
| XwZ | I got my jolla today, and I'd like to put some music on it but when I connect it to my computer and choose "synchronize" I don't see the cell a usb storage | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | what os? | 21:38 |
| XwZ | How can I mount it to download music ? | 21:38 |
| XwZ | Gentoo | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | file transfer mode uses mpt | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | err mtp | 21:38 |
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| Yaniel | if you care about dev mode, now might be a good time to enable it so you get ssh access | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | and can use sshfs or scp | 21:39 |
| M4rtinK | or alternatively put it on a uSD card | 21:39 |
| XwZ | ok, I will try with mtp | 21:40 |
| jake9xx | any mtp gurus here btw? | 21:40 |
| XwZ | M4rtinK: I have one in, but i don't like to remove the other half every time I need to download or upload things | 21:40 |
| jake9xx | why does not mtp copy subdirs that start with . ? | 21:40 |
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| Quu | jake9xx: maybe because they are "hidden"? :p | 21:41 |
| jake9xx | use-case ; create jolla backup, attach usb -> mtp mode -> copy to pc ---> '.git' directory missing | 21:41 |
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| jake9xx | Quu: when you copy a directory, it's subdirs should be copied whether exploder shows them or not | 21:41 |
| jake9xx | Quu: if you do scp -R ... it works | 21:41 |
| M4rtinK | worst case you can tar it before transfer :) | 21:41 |
| Quu | oh yeah, some people said to tar before copying backups | 21:42 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, if you are able at CLI, ssh all the way | 21:42 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: it's for my dad. He's over 70 and wants to look into Jolla. He does *not* want developer mode (or I don't want him doing anything with it) | 21:42 |
| Yaniel | I doubt he cares about .git either | 21:42 |
| pahartik | jake9xx: "scp -pr" | 21:42 |
| M4rtinK | well, I've exchanged ssh keys | 21:42 |
| jake9xx | sounds like potential download success-app | 21:43 |
| jake9xx | download, even | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | and now just click the Jolla bookmark in Nautilus - and that's it | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | but Samba access like BB10 does it would be also useful | 21:44 |
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| M4rtinK | seems to work quite consistently on both Linux & Windows | 21:44 |
| pawky | There must be a way to shorten this "abandon action" timeout of 4 seconds, 2 secs max is mor than sufficient | 21:45 |
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| XwZ | kio-mtp is very nice, thank you for the information. | 21:47 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky: yeah, it is bad if it blocks you from further progress | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: not an issue if you can run more of them at once (deleting emails) | 21:49 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: but there must be some place one can change this delay, right? | 21:58 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: it should at least be offered as an option, which you could change the delay or turn off in the settings menue. | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: I don't there is a option for it in settings ATM | 22:00 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky: but I think you can still change the value manually | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: somewhere :) | 22:01 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: that's what I believe as well, all needed is some hints or guidance where to look :-) | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: and while you are at it, this might be good issue to raise on together.jolla.com | 22:01 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: I cannot be the first person addressing this... I presume someone already has mentioned it, i hope... | 22:02 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky: you can try too look in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: but be careful & don't blame me if you break your system... | 22:03 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: don't worry, i am used to breaking it... ;-) | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: this stuff is running your UI, so anything might happen if you change it, even just a syntax error in the wrong place | 22:04 |
| teve | kunnon kissihän pitäis rotat kurissa | 22:04 |
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| pawky | teve: duh? | 22:06 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: You are the hero of today! :-) I happily set it to 2 secs.... great improvement :-D | 22:11 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky: congratulations! :) | 22:13 |
| Quu | pawky: property int _timeout? | 22:16 |
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| pawky | Quu RemorseItem.qml change 5000 to 2000 | 22:18 |
| pawky | Quu: you cannot miss it... | 22:18 |
| Quu | yeah, just wanted to be sure :) | 22:20 |
| pawky | Quu: _timeout = timeout === undefined ? 2000 : timeout | 22:20 |
| Quu | but probably going to increase it a bit. | 22:20 |
| pawky | Quu: use backups, or avoid deleting if not sure is my way to go.... you've got to live on the edge a bit... ;-) | 22:21 |
| Quu | mmhm. | 22:21 |
| pawky | Quu: i mean 2 seconds to realise your misstake not enough??? | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | nope | 22:22 |
| pawky | Yaniel: Then how long do you have to ponder about what you are doing before realising your family photos are going down the drain? | 22:22 |
| Yaniel | :P maybe not photos | 22:23 |
| pawky | Yaniel: if you are a bit to trigger happy for your own good, use hard links... | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | but sometimes it takes like 10s to realize you did something really stupid | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | 5s seems to be a good default tho | 22:24 |
| pawky | Yyaniel: there is no safety net against stupidity, trust me... | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | above the average time sure | 22:24 |
| Yaniel | especially for "wait that was not what I wanted to tap" | 22:24 |
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| pawky | Yaniel: darwinawards.com is full of such stories... | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | you also need to take input latency into account | 22:25 |
| Yaniel | pawky: hehe | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | if you are riding a bus and miss click for example | 22:25 |
| Yaniel | yep | 22:25 |
| pawky | Yaniel: in 2 secs your car going 90km/h will have traveled 50m, thats quite a bit to realise you might hit something... | 22:26 |
| Yaniel | I wouldn't compare driving a car to using a phone in that regard | 22:26 |
| pawky | M4rtinK, Yaniel: Well i will settle for 2 for now, and I'll get back to you if its not enough | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | you-are-about-to-crash remorse timer ? | 22:27 |
| pawky | Yaniel: well, maybe if using your phone while driving your car, you might need more than 2 secs.... maybe | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | not saying that 2s would be a bad idea for you | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | (necessarily) | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | but generally it is a bit short, especially for new users | 22:28 |
| pawky | I believe an option to choose wether you want it, like 2,4 5, off would do it for me | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | "huh what happen- oh no its deleting something" | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | "staph" | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | yup | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, it would be easy to replace it by a yes/no button system wide | 22:29 |
| pawky | Yaniel: again, you have 2 seconds to sit ther pondering why this bar is decreasing, its enough time, as just seeing the bar you will instinctly press cancel if you are not sure... | 22:30 |
| pawky | and try again. | 22:30 |
| pawky | yes, no would do it for me | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | add mittens or holding to something in the tram to the mix... | 22:30 |
| pawky | probably a much better optoin | 22:30 |
| pawky | (option) | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, would take the same space | 22:30 |
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| M4rtinK | and does not enforce an arbitrary time limit on you | 22:31 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: do NOT erase thing in a moving vehicle if not absolutely sure... Do you really need to do it then??? | 22:31 |
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| M4rtinK | miss-clicks ? :) | 22:31 |
| pawky | yeah "yes/no" is a better optoin for the hesitating few... :-D | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | its in the mail pulley menu with other options | 22:32 |
| pawky | if you miss-click i'll bet you will be the first to hit that blue bar in a split second... you've got 2 for christ sake | 22:32 |
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| pawky | What I think is really anoying though, is that you get info some mails cannot be ???? and you will neither know which account nor what mail the problem is about... | 22:33 |
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| pawky | Otherwise this phone is really growing on me... I am thinking about putting in a script that changes the polling intervall for my 8 mail accounts depending upon the time of day, but I haven't found any cron to use for it except for cron.daily which wont really cut it... | 22:34 |
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| tbr | pawky: timed | 22:34 |
| pawky | tbr: ok... | 22:35 |
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| pawky | which is controlled by what command? | 22:35 |
| pawky | on the command line? | 22:35 |
| pawky | ahh.. i have found "at" :-) | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: yeah, Sailfish is currently severely lacking in error reporting | 22:35 |
| tbr | don't remember, but it's open source and should have docs | 22:36 |
| pawky | tbr: "at" will do it for me :-) | 22:36 |
| tbr | at, how, retro | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: most errors are just silently ignored, at least in the GUI | 22:36 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: yes, so why did they put it in the gui even?... its totally pointless | 22:36 |
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| pawky | well, thats a better option... but the ones that are there are hopelessly lost | 22:36 |
| pawky | I have still not been able to figure out what account is have what problem, even tried to run the messageserver in the foreground with debug etc... but nope.. | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: and journal (the systemd log engine) not being persistent by default doesn't help in this regard | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: have you tried running journalctl (as root ) ? | 22:38 |
| pawky | tbr: oh no... wrong terminal.... there is no "at" :-( | 22:38 |
| pawky | M4tinK: nope.... | 22:39 |
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| pawky | M4rtinK: will that give me some more info you think? | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: well, it's the main system log | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: might have some errors | 22:40 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: looking upon the list as we speak... oh dear "Error: Inbox not found!!!" how on earth can it not find Inbox? it is true though, because all i get is all the other folders... | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: I remember thread about this error on the Sailfish-devel mailing list, so maybe check the archive ? | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: oh and by the way, looks like systemd has some sort of cron built in: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/cron_functionality#Hourly_events | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: not sure how it will work with the messy power management on the Jolla device | 22:43 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: Well, cron is there, but no not any commands as far as I know | 22:44 |
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| M4rtinK | pawky: looks like another thing to post on together :) | 22:45 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: i am not so much of a postman when it comes to blogs and such... :'( | 22:47 |
| Yaniel | haha the archlinux wiki seems to come up more and more often when googling how to do stuff | 22:48 |
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| ottulo | someone linked earlier today (I think) a video of their phone having a display issue | 22:48 |
| ottulo | the display kept flashing and had graphical issues as well | 22:49 |
| ottulo | I can't seem to find the link now, anyone got it? | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | Yaniel: yeah, I would rather expect a Fedora wiki coming up :) | 22:49 |
| Yaniel | dunno, fedora is pretty much like ubuntu or debian on that there are tons of scipts to generate config | 22:49 |
| Yaniel | whereas in arch you have to write it yourself (unless the defaults happen to work) | 22:50 |
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| Yaniel | and you actually are expected to do at least modify it | 22:50 |
| Yaniel | s/do // | 22:50 |
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| ottulo | oh, I found the link after all | 22:50 |
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| M4rtinK | Yaniel: yeah, but Fedora was the first to adopt systemd :) | 22:54 |
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| M4rtinK | Yaniel: giving it a bit of a headstart | 22:55 |
| Yaniel | ah | 22:55 |
| pawky | great: systemd wil cut the mustard :-D | 22:55 |
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| Yaniel | is there even anything similar to the arch wiki for fedora? | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: I can imagine Lennart already working on it | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | mustardd | 22:55 |
| pawky | gosh, there are so many commands missing, no less, no vim no strings, no tree :-( screen is installed by default though :-) | 23:00 |
| XwZ | I can't copy flac files with mtp ? | 23:00 |
| Yaniel | XwZ: why not? | 23:00 |
| pawky | XwZ: sounds odd... | 23:00 |
| XwZ | when I copy mp3 I have no problem, but when it's flac I can't I got an error | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | sounds like typical MTP madness :) | 23:01 |
| pawky | XwZ: which is?.... | 23:01 |
| pawky | I hate MTP... | 23:01 |
| Yaniel | "I got an error" | 23:01 |
| Yaniel | and you use gentoo? | 23:01 |
| XwZ | I got a message saying "cannot write the file file.flac" | 23:02 |
| Yaniel | (I kind of expected more info because of that) | 23:02 |
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| XwZ | same here, but it's a kio error ... not a lot of info | 23:03 |
| pawky | What is the general idea with these Jolla stickers? has anyone figured it out yet? | 23:03 |
| Yaniel | same as with the apple stickers that come with iGadgets | 23:04 |
| Nicd- | they're stickers | 23:04 |
| Nicd- | you put them on stuff | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | and they stick | 23:04 |
| ottulo | you stick them to places | 23:04 |
| ottulo | and people look at them | 23:04 |
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| Yaniel | and love them | 23:04 |
| ottulo | thus they know jolla and will buy | 23:04 |
| pawky | Nicd- any stuff in particular?... i mean where they designed to be put on the back plate? | 23:04 |
| Yaniel | (or hate) | 23:04 |
| Nicd- | pawky: anything you'd like to put a sticker on | 23:04 |
| Nicd- | I have an apple sticker on my bike | 23:05 |
| Yaniel | I could put one on my teapot | 23:05 |
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| pawky | I have already succeeded to get another person to order a Jolla phone, and that's without stickers :-) | 23:05 |
| XwZ | If I change the file's extension from .flac to .mp3 it works ... I don't get it | 23:05 |
| Jonni | heh, so you havent found the hidden messages in them? :) | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | we have a refrigerator that supports Windows 7 :) | 23:05 |
| pawky | Jonni: lol | 23:05 |
| jake9xx | pawky: \o/ | 23:05 |
| pawky | must be subliminal, maybe allloj means something in Finnish... | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | at least according to one of the stickers on it :) | 23:06 |
| ottulo | Jonni: it's not nice to drive people crazy | 23:06 |
| pawky | ahh... maybe they mean alloy? :-D | 23:06 |
| Jonni | time to take out microscope.... :) | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | XwZ: maybe some missing filetype registration? | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | on the jolla | 23:06 |
| Yaniel | I don't know how mtp works, but that would make sense | 23:07 |
| XwZ | ok, I check this thanks | 23:07 |
| Yaniel | (filetype-target location asssociation) | 23:07 |
| MMx | M4rtinK: somebody tore the Win7-sticker off our coffee machine… | 23:07 |
| pawky | Jonni: I couldn't help by shining a light through them to see if there where any nfc chips.... ;-) | 23:08 |
| MMx | but my calculator is still powered by an i5 :> | 23:08 |
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| Yaniel | XwZ: I suggest checking on together.jolla.com if this has been asked/reported there | 23:09 |
| Yaniel | and open a question if not | 23:09 |
| pawky | XwZ, what happens if you simply rename the file to a mp3? | 23:10 |
| XwZ | pawky: I can copy it | 23:11 |
| pawky | XzW: so something, tries to interpret the file, maybe to put it in the right directory? | 23:11 |
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| Yaniel | that's what I'm guessing | 23:12 |
| pawky | maybe flac is an unknown format for the interpreter? | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | well, this is what I use for transferring files over Samba to my Android running TouchPad: | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funkyfresh.samba | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | theoretically might work running on the emulator | 23:13 |
| Yaniel | in practice it might not play nice | 23:13 |
| Yaniel | IIRC the emulator has its own $HOME | 23:13 |
| Yaniel | anyway scp works fine, which is even nicer for me | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that confusing "sdcard" folder | 23:14 |
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| M4rtinK | sure, I'm also using it | 23:14 |
| pawky | I think Jonni mentioned earlier rsync is the quickest way to go... | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | but not everyone might be able to set it up | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, plain rsync might be faster than scp, even when just copying stuff | 23:16 |
| pawky | Jonni: is the OS still considerded to be in beta at Jolla? | 23:16 |
| pawky | Jonni: or the UI, i might add.. | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | scp encryption might slow it down & is not really needed when running over USB network | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: pretty much is... | 23:17 |
| pawky | M4rtinK: but officially? (use blowfish as encryption might speed it up a bit) | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | pawky: not talking about Harbour, that's barely alpha | 23:17 |
| pawky | Harbour? | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | the application store | 23:18 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess it will take at east a year to leave beta status | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | the default one | 23:18 |
| Morpog_PC | least | 23:18 |
| ln- | pawky: see what their exclusive reseller in finland is saying about beta: http://www.dna.fi/jolla | 23:18 |
| pawky | Isn't there a risk media will just shred it to pieces, and never come back to check the update process? | 23:19 |
| Yaniel | sure | 23:20 |
| * pahartik had bit of problem by "usb0" interface getting different IPv6 address every time when bridged to LAN, and "Sailfish" not having "avahi-daemon" to compensate | 23:20 | |
| pawky | ln: right, now if I only knew some finnish, except for being able to say "sport diver"..... | 23:20 |
| pawky | Personally, i do not mind at all I got the phone at this stage :-) | 23:21 |
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| ln- | pawky: well the point is that the word "beta" isn't exactly hidden in the fine print on that page. | 23:21 |
| pawky | ln: ahh, now i saw it, on tha vibrating titty :-D | 23:22 |
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| Yaniel | print 5 | 23:29 |
| Yaniel | bah | 23:29 |
| Yaniel | wrong window | 23:29 |
| pawky | bash? :-D | 23:29 |
| Yaniel | that would have been echo or printf | 23:29 |
| pawky | (bah)... | 23:29 |
| Yaniel | ah :D | 23:29 |
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| Yaniel | no | 23:30 |
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