| tbr | Quu: caveat emptor, it takes 5min for a troll to come up with a RPM that has dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/emmc in the postinstall part | 00:00 |
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| Quu | sure | 00:00 |
| Elleo | the COBS is mostly of interest to people wanting to work on more core mer/nemo stuff, not for app developers just wanting to compile a single app against the SDK | 00:00 |
| tbr | Elleo: I call bullshit on that | 00:00 |
| tbr | Elleo: sailfish is a surprisingly fast moving target and openrepos is a pile of random RPMs that may or may not be built against a current platform | 00:01 |
| AL13N | hmm | 00:01 |
| AL13N | this is odd | 00:01 |
| Elleo | tbr: far more developers are going to hit the big red deploy button in qtcreator than are going to work out how to setup build targets in COBS (something I still get wrong from time to time, with the gazillion options) | 00:01 |
| AL13N | i'm charging the phone and i'm still losing % power | 00:02 |
| Elleo | whereas openrepos fits in to the deployment flow developers are being trained for with the official store of just uploading an rpm | 00:02 |
| tbr | Elleo: don't get me wrong, for a 'random binary distribution' this looks like a sensible approach, for open source apps it spells disaster on many levels | 00:02 |
| tbr | for those apps where sources may be available, they are likely to NOT build out of the box on a fresh SDK install | 00:03 |
| tbr | while on OBS I can just 'copypac' a package and it _will_ build | 00:03 |
| AL13N | getting pretty warmish too | 00:04 |
| Elleo | AL13N: htop is in mer-tools that might show you what's up | 00:04 |
| tbr | Elleo: lots of thought and effort went into both Garage and Apps-for-Meego and BOTH use dedicated building backends | 00:04 |
| AL13N | well, i'm doing alot of serious power all at the same time | 00:05 |
| tbr | and as said previously, the excuse for openrepos given in their about page is invalid in case of Sailfish | 00:05 |
| Venemo | honestly, I don't trust openrepos | 00:06 |
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| Venemo | plus, as I forewarned, it is already creating a negative effect in the community | 00:06 |
| tbr | OBS is a whole different league, add BOSS and e.g. the AFO store mechanics and it's a whole different universe | 00:07 |
| Pnuu | wassup? | 00:07 |
| Elleo | Venemo: you have to view it as a collection of RPMs from assorted developers, and ask yourself if you trust the particular developer providing the rpm you're interested in | 00:07 |
| tbr | and it took me just a few minutes to rebuild a _cleanly_ structured app from github on OBS | 00:08 |
| Elleo | it's basically just a more organised version of what's happening on TMO with people posting alpha/beta versions of their apps in threads there | 00:08 |
| Venemo | basically, now that we have openrepos, people will be less motivated to upload to jolla store, that's the same issue as we had on maemo and extras-devel | 00:08 |
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| Elleo | tbr: I'm not arguing that OBS isn't good, I'm arguing that it's not easy to get into; if it had a nice front-end that didn't you to manually setup build targets for an alarming array of similar sounding options more people might use it | 00:09 |
| Venemo | very-very few apps ever got into extras (not -devel or -testing), there were apps that the devs never pushed to extras... | 00:09 |
| Venemo | and now the same shit is happening on sailfish :( | 00:09 |
| Elleo | Venemo: well a big problem at the moment is that the jolla store QA policies regarding allowable APIs make it very difficult to distribute quite a few apps without packaging a ridiculous amount of libraries with an app | 00:09 |
| Elleo | hopefully that'll open up much more in the near future | 00:10 |
| tbr | Elleo: it was a 30min workshop at 30C3 for people to do 5 clicks and get their first package rebuilt against sailfish in their home repo, most of the time spent on creating mer accounts | 00:10 |
| AL13N | powertop says 212.3% CPU usage | 00:10 |
| AL13N | 112 wakeups | 00:10 |
| Venemo | openrepos is BAD for jolla (fewer apps in store), BAD for devs (less publicity for their apps), BAD for users (no QA) | 00:10 |
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| AL13N | 2x Timer are high | 00:10 |
| Elleo | tbr: presumably with obvious instructions on what to click, that just aren't present in the COBS interface itself | 00:11 |
| Elleo | once you've got things setup it's great, but setting up build targets the first time is confusing | 00:11 |
| tbr | Elleo: sure, but nothing prevents jolla and the community to write that down | 00:11 |
| AL13N | 1 Timer is using > 1000 ms/s | 00:11 |
| AL13N | !!! | 00:11 |
| Merbot` | AL13N: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 00:11 |
| tbr | and some clown will probably do a youtube video of it too | 00:11 |
| Elleo | tbr: rather than writing that down it'd be better to just give accounts sensible defaults | 00:11 |
| Elleo | so you create an account and it's already configured and ready to build stuff | 00:12 |
| Venemo | AL13N: reboot? | 00:12 |
| tbr | Elleo: this is not sailfish OBS, it's Mer OBS | 00:12 |
| Elleo | rather than having to hunt down some wiki page you don't know exists | 00:12 |
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| AL13N | ah, it might be that Volume button that keeps appearing | 00:12 |
| AL13N | volume notification, i mean | 00:12 |
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| Elleo | tbr: so? have a simple sailfish signup process that sets stuff up for you and an alternative advanced signup for Mer folks who want to specify something different | 00:13 |
| tbr | Elleo: you won't arrive at OBS out of the blue, something prompts you to go there | 00:13 |
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| AL13N | but, how can i trace this to something.... | 00:13 |
| tbr | Elleo: that allready happens, it's one click to enable sailfish while creating your home repo | 00:13 |
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| Elleo | perhaps I created mine before that happened then | 00:14 |
| AL13N | actually | 00:14 |
| Elleo | when I created one it was a mess of mer/ubuntu/fedora options for targets, *none* of which are correct | 00:14 |
| AL13N | how do i reboot? | 00:14 |
| Elleo | and you had to go into the advanced settings and get the correct project and target from a lot of similar ones | 00:14 |
| Elleo | and iirc then also select you wanted the armv8el target despite it being for armv8hl | 00:15 |
| Elleo | if that's all been simplified now then great and I withdraw my comments ;) | 00:15 |
| Elleo | armv7hl* | 00:15 |
| tbr | if your project is well structured and packaged, it should be very easy to get building on OBS | 00:16 |
| Elleo | tbr: I'm not arguing about that, it's just the initial OBS setup that was always terrible | 00:17 |
| tbr | if you did lots of hacks and included random binaries from somewhere and whatnot, you'll have a HORRIBLE time | 00:17 |
| tbr | but that's GOOD | 00:17 |
| Elleo | of course a well structured and packaged project is easy to build from the SDK too | 00:17 |
| AL13N | so | 00:17 |
| AL13N | how do i exactly reboot this phone? | 00:17 |
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| tbr | Elleo: sure, but it's also easy to have a "grown SDK install" with all sorts of dependencies installed and hacks applied, that builds your packages fine, but they won't build anywhere else | 00:18 |
| Elleo | tbr: aha, I see now there's a "SailfishOS" option in the build targets setup, that's much better | 00:18 |
| Raim | AL13N: press the power button until the Jolla logo appears to shutdown, wait a bit until the LED is off, then turn it back on | 00:18 |
| AL13N | right | 00:19 |
| Elleo | that never used to exist, so my arguments are just out of date ;) | 00:19 |
| AL13N | i was looking in settings if it was the reset device | 00:19 |
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| AL13N | but somehow i doubted that | 00:19 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: reboot? long-press powerbutton to turn off, then do the same to turn on | 00:20 |
| tbr | I've seen projects that had recursive build dependencies on themselves. you basically had to rebuild the project a dozen times and tweak the build config until it built properly and completely | 00:20 |
| Venemo | AL13N: you can also use the terminal if that's more convenient for you | 00:20 |
| AL13N | huh | 00:20 |
| AL13N | i didn't think of that | 00:21 |
| tbr | the original developer never noticed, as they had "a working setup" | 00:21 |
| AL13N | and while looking for powertop, i had found the poweroff command too | 00:21 |
| AL13N | huh, odd, it sorta rebooted into a charging logo thingie | 00:22 |
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| nadriel | did yountry whatpoweroff does? | 00:22 |
| AL13N | nadriel: if i did, i wouldn't have had to find the power button :-) | 00:22 |
| tbr | and with a device that until recently needed to be mailed in if it became unbootable... | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | imho "systemctl reboot" should work (as root) | 00:22 |
| AL13N | poweroff is the systemd thing | 00:22 |
| nadriel | whoops unable to fingerterm while under the influence of wine. | 00:23 |
| tbr | sure it's damn convenient if you can just upload your RPM and be done with it | 00:23 |
| AL13N | halt actually halts, but doesn't do power off, | 00:23 |
| nadriel | red, 'cos white is for pussies. | 00:23 |
| AL13N | tbr: actually recursive build dependencies isn't all that odd | 00:24 |
| AL13N | some languages are notorious | 00:24 |
| AL13N | i remember in Mageia, when we started the fork | 00:24 |
| AL13N | that someone gave up on java and used a stack from fedora to build a basic one for us | 00:24 |
| tbr | AL13N: for GCC, or toolchains, sure, but for a Qt UI app, hell NO | 00:24 |
| AL13N | true | 00:25 |
| tbr | OBS and BOSS enforce clean working, this feels "bad" the same way as the fairly restrictive harbour, especially if you are a messy hack | 00:26 |
| AL13N | wow, booting that stuff is fast | 00:26 |
| AL13N | this smells like resume to me | 00:26 |
| tbr | or if you just want to take someone's RPM, unpack it, hack something and redist the RPM without ever seeing the sources | 00:26 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, knowing the Fedora packaging guidelines (~4km of wiki pages in total) | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | all those hacks required for Harbour seem rather unclean | 00:30 |
| __pv_ | what's the difference between sailfishos and sailfishos:chum on OBS? | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | the first one is the target project (?) and the other the proposed community repo from lbt ? | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | just a guess | 00:31 |
| tbr | __pv_: the former is a build target, the latter is a community project that can accept packages | 00:31 |
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| M4rtinK | oh, you really now can select the Sailfish target from the main overview | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | never got that far with the Harmattan target in COBS :) | 00:33 |
| tbr | the obvious thing to do would be to try out copypac'ing some packages and building them against sailfish | 00:35 |
| tbr | or do minor config changes, like enable some additional codecs in those gst packages and have them rebuilt against latest sailfish | 00:36 |
| tbr | anyway, I'm hours past my target bed time... ttfn | 00:36 |
| M4rtinK | well, I've already copypaced quite a lot of packages from openSUSE | 00:37 |
| M4rtinK | https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish | 00:38 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: come on, it doesn't boot that fast | 00:51 |
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| Pnuu | brb | 00:53 |
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| lbt | M4rtinK: try not to replicate things we already have - mer-tools would be worth a look :) | 01:11 |
| HtheB | :) | 01:13 |
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| M4rtinK | lbt: yeah, I'd eventually need to do a cleanup :) | 01:55 |
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| PeterPark | where can I look for hints whats going wrong? | 02:00 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 08:37 |
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| suy | Stskeeps: I've suffered the "device is off when I left it on and charging overnight". Is there anything I could/should do to report? Or is this already reported thing? https://together.jolla.com/question/3554/phone-shutdown-over-nightly-charging/ | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | suy: that's a new one | 08:45 |
| suy | Although if the device went off, there should still be some journal or not? | 08:45 |
| suy | Ah, that's strange. Is the only one I've suffered. No strange reboots or something. Just off during the night. | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | suy: tohd on or off? | 08:46 |
| suy | Stskeeps: on | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | suy: did you reboot or turn off the device since that? | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | if not, cat /proc/cmdline and send it to me in /msg | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | do as devel-su | 08:47 |
| suy | no, the device is off as of right now. | 08:47 |
| suy | OK, booting. | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | then it's not good data :/ | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | never mind | 08:48 |
| suy | Mmm, that's what I feared. The log is lost? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | so, you had the charging screen too? | 08:49 |
| suy | Yes, I plugged it yesterday, and I saw the message. clicked on "only charging", and went to sleep. Same pattern other days. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:49 |
| suy | And some days, the phone is 100% battery, but off. | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to presue you're not in finland? | 08:50 |
| suy | Unfortunately not :) | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | what production month of the device? 11 or 12? | 08:50 |
| suy | Although, if you come to Barcelona on MWC, I can invite you to beer/coffee ;-) | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | let's see, currently i'm not | 08:51 |
| suy | Production month? is that on About? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | nah under the battery | 08:51 |
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| suy | Stskeeps: 11 2013 | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | try to see if you can reproduce it during day and see what happens? | 08:54 |
| Nicd- | how can I restart the android layer without rebooting the whole phone? my android apps are starting but they all crash a second later | 08:54 |
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| suy | Stskeeps: ok, I'll try to pay attention to what happens | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | suy: watch out for LED indications, especially red ones | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | red ones imply a controlled shutdown | 08:56 |
| jusics | Nicd-: devel-su, and then systemctl restart aliendalvik.service | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | jusics: hm, that I did and it didn't help :/ | 08:56 |
| Quu | Nicd-: i had similar problems yesterday | 08:57 |
| Quu | waiting ~10min they all worked | 08:57 |
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| Nicd- | Quu: I've had this for days | 08:57 |
| Quu | ha, hmm | 08:58 |
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| jusics | ok :/ maybe it's related to some aliendalvik cache thing but I don't know how to clear it | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | cursed android, wish I had native apps for all my needs | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | try closing all apps? | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | native apps? | 09:00 |
| jusics | I also had some trouble when I had multiple native apps running, closing some helped | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | memory issue? | 09:00 |
| jusics | perhaps | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | hmm, about 800M memory used | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | lipstick has 130 M resident | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | I now only have fingerterm and notes running, still 726408 k memory used and android apps won't start | 09:05 |
| jusics | whoa | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | free -m? | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | used 707 free 104 | 09:06 |
| Jonni | Nicd-: thats a bug in alien dalvik which will be fixed in next release. | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | swap used 191 free 316 | 09:06 |
| Quu | Jonni: ah, nice :) | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | Jonni: what is specifically? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: ok, -/+ buffers/cache: 623 | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | is the one i'm interested in :P | 09:07 |
| Nicd- | -/+ buffers/cache: 490 322 | 09:07 |
| Jonni | Nicd-: that it only looks free momory, and doesnt count cache/buffers, which is not very linux like, and starts to killing processes if there is less than 160mb free. | 09:08 |
| jusics | heh, ok | 09:08 |
| Nicd- | ok, thanks Jonni | 09:08 |
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| jusics | Nicd-: in that case you can try devel-su and sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 09:15 |
| Nicd- | that sounds hazardous | 09:16 |
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| jusics | that will temporarily flush the buffdrs and clear vm cache. that's what linux does naturally when programs start to use more memory and caches are still full | 09:16 |
| jusics | yeah it looks a bit ominous but it's safe to do. sync can be called with root even.. you can try that alone if it "frees" enough memory | 09:20 |
| jusics | *without root | 09:20 |
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| jusics | i've done some benchmarking on desktop where i had to flush disk buffers and caches to produce repeatable results, i tried those on my jolla as well and they work | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | cached memory increased by 1 M when I used sync :D | 09:25 |
| jusics | did buffers drop anyway? | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | no | 09:26 |
| jusics | ok, try those as root then. and don't take my word for it, if you google for "flush cache and buffers on linux", that's what you get :) | 09:31 |
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| jusics | man sync tells what sync does anx how | 09:32 |
| Quu | man man | 09:32 |
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| stephg | morning everyone | 09:34 |
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| mikma | hih hih, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xYqXZU4CLs | 10:13 |
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| narchie | there seems to be some issue with some apps preferring | 10:16 |
| narchie | 3g over wifi | 10:16 |
| narchie | using maps when I'm at my home wifi it drops both | 10:17 |
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| tbr | narchie: maps seems to be positioning related and might get fixed in one of the next releases, read something on TJC | 10:30 |
| nibbler | it is sad that they abandoned the vector rendering engine for maps :( | 10:34 |
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| stephg | nibbler: performance? (and I'll bet a huge amount of IP/ownership issues...) | 10:35 |
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| nibbler | the performance actually was better and the interaction smoother. on far less powerful devices. IP/ownership may be an issue but tbh i simply believe that nobody did understand the code. hasn't seen any change on the nokia s60 devices i had during the last few years ever since nokia acquired gate5. | 10:39 |
| stephg | imo it wasn't all ther performant on the N9 ;) | 10:40 |
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| ln- | http://blog.appwared.com/awful-app-review-trend-among-turkish-users-this-is-why-your-app-gets-so-many-one-star-reviews/ | 10:48 |
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| AL13N | alright, finally got the CA cert import thing covered: https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/#post-id-13849 | 10:49 |
| AL13N | btw: anyone know where i can find this IRC for jolla and the "compass" application? | 10:50 |
| AL13N | i don't see these in the store | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | openrepos? | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | there is a compass in the store though | 10:51 |
| AL13N | sailcompass | 10:58 |
| AL13N | but, i heard there was another one | 10:58 |
| AL13N | though i can't find it | 10:58 |
| AL13N | nor any IRC | 10:58 |
| AL13N | also, /me want a systemd start/stop app (or settings) | 10:59 |
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| AL13N | netsplit | 11:10 |
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| Venemo | now this is something | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:14 |
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| Venemo | jolla was connected to the mobile network + bluetooth A2DP (no data connection) and was playing music for 6 hours straight - battery went from 100% to 83% | 11:15 |
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| Venemo | which is tons better than any other device I've tried this with | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 11:15 |
| Venemo | yeah | 11:16 |
| FireFly | My experience has been that the Jolla is insanely power efficient when idle, but 3G data connection seems to consume quite a bit | 11:20 |
| FireFly | Last friday I listened to music maybe for 1h from/to uni, and used mobile broadband for maybe 1½h, and it went from ~90% down to 50%. On the other hand, when not using the phone a lot I've had it lying on the table for several days and still have something like 75% battery left | 11:22 |
| osaton | I accidentally removed bluetooth from settings favorites. Is there any way to get it back as a toggle button instead of a link to bluetooth settings? | 11:27 |
| suy | Do you disable the TOHD service? In my case the phone is fully idle. Not even network (no SIM), although wifi is on, but almost not used. | 11:27 |
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| FireFly | I did, yes | 11:30 |
| Waitee | wow | 11:32 |
| Waitee | didnt know i can add stuff to settings favourites | 11:32 |
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| osaton | you can remove stuff too, but be careful ;) | 11:33 |
| Waitee | ;D | 11:33 |
| osaton | no remorse | 11:33 |
| Waitee | haha | 11:33 |
| Waitee | all i needed was location on/off | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | As phonecalls-only device, i charged jolla on Sunday and had 30% left on Saturday | 11:33 |
| Waitee | a week on a single charge? | 11:34 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 11:34 |
| Waitee | not bad | 11:34 |
| ShadowJK | As i said, only calls. no surf, email or irc | 11:34 |
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| Waitee | if you play games it eats the battery in two hours | 11:35 |
| Waitee | D | 11:35 |
| Waitee | :D | 11:35 |
| ShadowJK | browsing tmo, 100% to 80 in an hour :) | 11:36 |
| Waitee | playing candy crush saga (android) from 100% to 50% in an hour | 11:36 |
| suy | osaton: maybe you can add it to favourites from inside the bluetooth settings. Seems I can remove it from there, so you should be able to add it | 11:37 |
| Waitee | go to bluetooth settings and long press the bluetooth toggler | 11:37 |
| Waitee | i dont wanna test removing bluetooth toggler from favorites | 11:38 |
| Waitee | if it doesnt work it sucks | 11:38 |
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| osaton | it works! thanks :) | 11:46 |
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| stephg | hm another split | 11:47 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | http://i.imgur.com/ZaC0gFg.jpg | 11:50 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | browesermakr with webcat | 11:50 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | browsermark | 11:50 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | suuperior to 100 % of all phone browsers | 11:51 |
| Waitee | nice | 11:52 |
| Waitee | next i want jolla to let me change the default app for web viewing | 11:52 |
| attah | now that's what i call a split :P | 11:52 |
| stephg | attah welcome back ;) | 11:52 |
| Morpog_ | beside landscape support I still like sailfish browser alot better | 11:52 |
| attah | lol, thx | 11:52 |
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| Waitee | i hate the default browser | 11:53 |
| Waitee | morst mobile browser i've used | 11:53 |
| Waitee | worst* | 11:53 |
| Morpog_ | why? | 11:53 |
| Venemo | I'm sure they're working on fixing it | 11:53 |
| Waitee | just terrible functionality :D | 11:53 |
| Morpog_ | Venemo, I have seen commits, that landscape support is already fixed | 11:53 |
| attah | Except for some auto-zoom issues and that it doesn't keep several sessions.. I'm actually pretty happy with it | 11:54 |
| Venemo | Morpog_: what commits, where? | 11:54 |
| Waitee | the only good thing on default browser is you can see the web page on the cover | 11:54 |
| Morpog_ | in the open source part of sailfish browser | 11:54 |
| Waitee | i still got opera mini installed | 11:55 |
| Morpog_ | Venemo, https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/qtmozembed/commit/563173f5d9bc4a43fdc997744aef39a5500e8317 | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | hm... msyncd is running amok with 100% cpu | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | and timed-qt5 | 11:56 |
| Venemo | Morpog_: wow, I didn't think it was open | 11:57 |
| Morpog_ | Venemo, it's the same as coderus used for Meefox or QmlMozBrowser | 11:57 |
| Morpog_ | only the Sailfish UI is closed | 11:58 |
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| Venemo | ah | 11:58 |
| Morpog_ | upstream is here: https://github.com/tmeshkova?tab=repositories | 11:58 |
| Venemo | ahh | 11:59 |
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| Venemo | okay | 12:00 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | hi guys | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | hewwo | 12:09 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i have this urgent problem, every time i move the mumin trolls ringtone to my jolla and i reboot my phone its gone :S | 12:10 |
| Waitee | i'd say, trolled | 12:10 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | lol | 12:10 |
| Waitee | badum tshh | 12:10 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish gone as in the file is gone or as a ringtone gone? | 12:10 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | kaputt | 12:10 |
| Morpog_ | and where doy ou move it to? | 12:11 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well its not on my sdcard after a reboot | 12:11 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | any idea on what to do? :o | 12:12 |
| tbr | try putting it on the phone instead? | 12:12 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah i could do that but it would be nice to keep some stuff on the sd card | 12:13 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | you see im trying to kill 2 problems in 1 hit | 12:13 |
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| tbr | sure, would be interesting to know what causes this | 12:13 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | like a 360 collateral noscopez mlg | 12:13 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah... | 12:13 |
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| Pnuu | is that the only file that is deleted from the card? | 12:14 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish: the sdcard:- does everything disappear or just audio? and when you say disappear? you mean via the media player or actually gone via the file manager/terminal | 12:14 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | im going in via the file manager/terminal and everything is gone after a reboot | 12:14 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i tried moving a picture aswell | 12:14 |
| stephg | filesystem on the sdcard is? | 12:14 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | actually | 12:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i dont know | 12:15 |
| Pnuu | is the card mounted? :-P | 12:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | that might be the problem | 12:15 |
| Morpog_ | maybe one of that fake size sdcards? | 12:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | :o | 12:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | its one of those 64gb ones | 12:15 |
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| Morpog_ | was it cheap? | 12:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | it was on sale on a very reputable store here in sweden | 12:16 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | so i doubt its fake | 12:16 |
| Morpog_ | iirc Venemo had one of those fake sdcards in here | 12:17 |
| stephg | 64GB you say | 12:17 |
| stephg | as root what does fdisk -l say | 12:17 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | let me check | 12:17 |
| Venemo | don't buy suspiciously cheap sd cards | 12:17 |
| stephg | (ignoring /dev/mmcblk0*) | 12:17 |
| Venemo | don't buy them from auction sites and don't buy them without warranty | 12:17 |
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| * stephg will do anything to avoid doing his tax return right now | 12:18 | |
| * Stskeeps is so happy to have his accountant do that, especially when it involves foreign income | 12:18 | |
| stephg | I'll bet | 12:18 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | ok whats the magic hokus pokus im supposed to do to acces root. i went into the developer mode tab and choosed a password and then i go into terminal and so su then i type in my password | 12:20 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | and i get incorrect password | 12:20 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | su root doesent work either | 12:21 |
| stephg | devel-su | 12:21 |
| stephg | not su | 12:21 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | oh ok | 12:21 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | there we go | 12:21 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok thats alot of text | 12:22 |
| stephg | well specifically: | 12:23 |
| stephg | fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 | 12:23 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | one second | 12:23 |
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| stephg | First line is blank, second describes the disk, and the last one or more partitions | 12:24 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | Disk /dev/mmcblk1 63.9GB | 12:24 |
| stephg | ok | 12:25 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | and further down | 12:25 |
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| stephg | betting it says exFAT | 12:25 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | it was something about HPFS/NTFS/exFAT | 12:25 |
| stephg | yup | 12:25 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | you got it | 12:25 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | its supposed to be ext4 isnt it | 12:25 |
| stephg | k so exFAT isn't supported due to licensing issues | 12:25 |
| Venemo | I suggest doing it with your desktop | 12:25 |
| Venemo | and yes, it needs to be btrfs or ext4 | 12:26 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | cant i formot on my phone with some light version of gparted? :P | 12:26 |
| Venemo | you can do it with mkfs.ext4 | 12:26 |
| Venemo | but I really suggest doing it on a pc | 12:26 |
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| tbr | no need to partition → no need for gparted | 12:26 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well i dont have a sd card reader | 12:26 |
| stephg | Venemo I'm right in thinking the automounter still doesn't see ext4/btrfs there yet? | 12:26 |
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| stephg | tbr is right, just change the partition type and then format | 12:27 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok does that involve an sd card reader? | 12:27 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | or is it just ssh and that type of stuff | 12:27 |
| tbr | the latter | 12:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok | 12:28 |
| tbr | or fingerterm | 12:28 |
| stephg | no you can do it on-device though fiddly on fingerterm :) | 12:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | huh | 12:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | whats fingerterm then | 12:28 |
| stephg | fingerterm == the terminal app | 12:28 |
| tbr | the terminal app | 12:28 |
| Venemo | stephg: yes, but there's a version of the script you can use (overwrite the default) and then it'll work | 12:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok | 12:28 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | can you send me the magical script then? | 12:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | and you will receive my blessing | 12:29 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish is the automounter important to you | 12:29 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well it does sound cool | 12:29 |
| Venemo | this is it: https://gist.github.com/viq/8201021 | 12:29 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | does it come in purple? | 12:29 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | <3 | 12:29 |
| Venemo | it worksforme, but I didn't make it | 12:29 |
| stephg | heh | 12:29 |
| stephg | so if you go ext4/btrfs the automounter won't recognise them at boot, without the link the Venemo has sent | 12:29 |
| Venemo | yet! | 12:30 |
| stephg | (yet!) | 12:30 |
| stephg | quite right | 12:30 |
| Venemo | I suspect that the next update will fix this | 12:30 |
| stephg | I hope so | 12:30 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok is there any other filesystems that the automounter recognizes at start then | 12:30 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | or is those two my only options | 12:30 |
| stephg | no you can format it FAT32 | 12:30 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | any downsides on doing that? | 12:31 |
| stephg | you may only see half the storage | 12:31 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | aw hell naw | 12:31 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | so should i use putty to ssh into my phone? | 12:33 |
| stephg | easier than fingerterm, yeah | 12:34 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok lets say i do the fingerterm | 12:34 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | where do i place this script of yours | 12:34 |
| Venemo | GetzTheGoldfish: I think the original is in /usr/sbin but please check before you put it there | 12:35 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah its there | 12:35 |
| stephg | also take a backup | 12:36 |
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| stephg | you'll probably want to restore the original before updating when the updates come out | 12:36 |
| stephg | and you do this at your own risk etc. etc. | 12:36 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | youre too cute | 12:36 |
| stephg | as recovery right now is difficult if you're not in Finland | 12:36 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well i can take the ferry | 12:36 |
| stephg | ha | 12:36 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | and shove my jolla down their throat | 12:37 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | cant i just make a symlink to that directory and just use usb? | 12:37 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | anyone? | 12:38 |
| stephg | not sure what you mean | 12:39 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ln -s /usr/sbin/ . and then acces it from the computer | 12:40 |
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| Venemo | GetzTheGoldfish: why would you need a symlink? | 12:41 |
| stephg | also you won't have rights to edit it | 12:42 |
| stephg | who knows what the MTP permissions collapse to on the computer | 12:42 |
| stephg | but obvs the script on-device is owned by root | 12:42 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok i just figured that out | 12:43 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | bad idea | 12:43 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ugh | 12:43 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ill just wait for the next update | 12:43 |
| stephg | you can still change the partition type to vfat and trying to make that | 12:44 |
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| Venemo | just cp the script to the right place and that's it | 12:44 |
| stephg | or do that | 12:44 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | i almost feel sorry for you guys trying to help me :/ | 12:44 |
| stephg | We want to help, we don't want you to inadvertently break your device tho :) | 12:44 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok ill just partition the sd card. | 12:45 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | someone should really make a guide for this and name it something like doing fancy shit on phones for dummies. volume 1 | 12:45 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | can someone send my what to type to partition the sd card ill brb | 12:47 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | please? <3 | 12:47 |
| stephg | you in fingerterm or putty? | 12:47 |
| stephg | doing in putty will be alot easier | 12:47 |
| stephg | and you said partition the card, what do you want to do? | 12:48 |
| stephg | (cos the automounter will still only look for the first partition | 12:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: why am I getting a blank black image from the camera? | 12:49 |
| ShadowJK | hm, msyncd and timed-qt5 runs amok each time device loses and regains connectivity | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: O_o | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: first question | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | are you taking pictures in the dark? | 12:52 |
| Venemo | nope | 12:52 |
| Venemo | lol | 12:52 |
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| Venemo | I tried to clean the lenses | 12:52 |
| Venemo | and reboot didn't fix it | 12:52 |
| Venemo | also when I close the camera it says "camera not responding" | 12:53 |
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| attah | perhaps it's not very social today? | 12:53 |
| Venemo | it was social yesterday, so what changed its mind? | 12:54 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I didn't install anything from outside jolla repos and apart from the fixed sd card mount script I didn't mess with system stuff | 12:55 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: is it possible that installing some gstreamer plugins (from the official jolla repos) have something to do with this? | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: entirely possible | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be interesting in hearing which though | 13:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: 'pkcon install gst-plugins-bad gst-plugins-bad-free gst-plugins-good' | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's quite likely to blow up things | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | give me your /var/log/zypp/history or whatwasit | 13:02 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: interesting: when I want to remove them, pkcon also wants to remove the camera and media player app | 13:02 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | hey guys i'd just want to give you a little heads up here, dont install the tor package from warehouse it will remove you phone app and fuck your shit up :S | 13:02 |
| Quu | huehue | 13:02 |
| Venemo | GetzTheGoldfish: yes we seen that | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | GetzTheGoldfish: well, you're installing things from a non-QA'ed source | 13:02 |
| attah | Venemo: there are some version of each installed by default.. maybe you replaced them | 13:03 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah yeah | 13:03 |
| Venemo | attah: nope, there aren't | 13:03 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah just so you know | 13:03 |
| attah | Installed gst-plugins-good-0.10.31+git3-1.3.1.armv7hlGStreamer streaming media framework good plug-ins | 13:03 |
| attah | Installed gst-plugins-bad-0.10.23-10.5.1.jolla.armv7hlGStreamer streaming media framework bad plug-ins | 13:03 |
| attah | okay.. so not free.. but still | 13:04 |
| Venemo | wow | 13:04 |
| Venemo | for me, that's | 13:04 |
| Venemo | gst-plugins-bad-0.10.23-10.5.1.jolla.armv7hlGStreamer streaming media framework bad plug-ins | 13:04 |
| Venemo | gst-plugins-good-0.10.31+git3-1.3.1.armv7hlGStreamer streaming media framework good plug-ins | 13:04 |
| attah | does it still want to remove those apps if you just nume "free"? | 13:05 |
| attah | *nuke | 13:05 |
| Venemo | removing free didn't help | 13:05 |
| Venemo | but reinstalling all of them did | 13:05 |
| attah | okay.. cool | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: does journal show anything meaningful? | 13:06 |
| tbr | GetzTheGoldfish: superior QA... (nonexistent) | 13:06 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: I'm not sure how to use the journal | 13:06 |
| Venemo | ah yes | 13:06 |
| Venemo | installing bad-free again and now the camera is gone again | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | devel-su journalctl -fa shows all the latest messages and keeps on printing the new ones | 13:07 |
| attah | good to know :) | 13:07 |
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| Venemo | ok, reinstalling the stuff again and now rebooting to see what happens | 13:09 |
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| Venemo | man, it boots so slowly that every time I'm afraid it won't boot | 13:09 |
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| nidelius | Is it possible to delete junk android data from /data/data? It's not enough with nemo user rights at least? | 13:11 |
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| Venemo | nah, camera is still borked | 13:11 |
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| Venemo | here is the journal: http://pastebin.com/U3HnuyWM | 13:12 |
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| Venemo | yeah it's full or camera errors | 13:14 |
| nidelius | found out I can run devel-su from the terminal on the phone | 13:15 |
| Venemo | nidelius: what's so surprising about that? | 13:15 |
| nidelius | Nothing I just didn't know how to get root | 13:16 |
| Venemo | ok, figured it out now | 13:21 |
| Venemo | so jolla-camera doesn't depend on gstreamer0.10-droidcamsrc but it doesn't work without it | 13:21 |
| Venemo | and gst-plugins-bad-free breaks the camera | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | right, hw adaptation | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | apps aren't allowed to dep on specific hw adaptation | 13:22 |
| Venemo | man, I had no idea that even the camera has to go through the bastardized android shit | 13:22 |
| Venemo | and now I understand why there is also a pulseaudio-modules-droid-sbj | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 13:25 |
| Venemo | btw, why is the device named sbj? | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | communication error | 13:27 |
| Venemo | what? | 13:27 |
| Venemo | how? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | yup, communication error - anyway, it's just an identifier | 13:28 |
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| ggabriel | chinese whispers :) | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | "sailfish by jolla" | 13:28 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: and what would be its name, if there wasn't a communication error? | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | the name is 'jolla', from what i recall | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | either way, it's the first jolla device, a dear child has many names | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:31 |
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| * jubo2 can hear the "Jolla Kaks-piste-nolla"-jingle | 13:32 | |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: people have been named mistakenly in the past due to similar problems, so totally expected | 13:32 |
| ggabriel | i was showing off my phone yesteday btw, tutorial needs a lot of work (https://together.jolla.com/question/7208/enhance-sailfish-tutorial/) | 13:33 |
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| ggabriel | it's ok-ish now, but it definitely needs to appeal more to the normal user | 13:34 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: upvoted | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: ta | 13:35 |
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| ggabriel | also, it's quite interesting to compare amoled vs lcd side by side :) | 13:35 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: to be honest, I expect the tutorial to be refined once sailfish gets more mainstream | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yup, this is why i tagged it nice to have | 13:35 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what'll be the name of the second device? "Jolla II"? | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | but thinking more strategically than anything else | 13:36 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yep, I totally agree | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: The Empire Strikes Back | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | lol | 13:37 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I'd never imagine jolla as the empire | 13:37 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: your lack of faith disturbs me | 13:38 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: come on, these guys can never be as evil as the empire was :P | 13:38 |
| * ggabriel was just quoting darth vader | 13:39 | |
| Stskeeps | tell that to the pitchfork crowd with the bootloader issue | 13:39 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: IIRC the bootloader issue will be fixed | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:39 |
| Venemo | and until then anyone can reset the device which will also open it | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for it to be released so i can walk around with a jolla tshirt in public again | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | ha, pitchfork | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
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| Venemo | nah, the empire would never open their bootloader, ever | 13:40 |
| attah | it's a trap! | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | the problem with naming the device after anything star wars is that the star wars crowd will buy it | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | and there may be too many of them | 13:40 |
| Venemo | what's wrong with that? | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | supporting them could be challenging | 13:40 |
| tbr | just force-choke them if they get too annoying... | 13:41 |
| Venemo | lol tbr | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | you can always release star wars TOH when you want numbers ;) | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | that'd be cool actually | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | my gf would buy one instantly | 13:42 |
| tbr | without owning a jolla, probably... | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: do i need to mention the vulnerable exhaust port.. | 13:43 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: your gf likes starwars? that is cool! | 13:43 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ok, you got me :P | 13:43 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: she used to be a trekkie but i showed her the way | 13:43 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I like both | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | yeah, she claims the same, but lately she's been ingesting star wars a lot | 13:44 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: well, once you run out of star trek, there're not many more quality sci-fi works | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: true, i don't get why we don't get more films seeing how much literature is out there | 13:46 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: because not many people are interested in quality sci-fi nowadays | 13:47 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: just look at the latest star trek film - it was a great action movie but a terrible sci-fi | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | yup, hence i'm only reading these days sci-fi wise | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | but i have dune, which i've never seen :) | 13:48 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: have you read Hyperion from Dan Simmons? | 13:49 |
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| ggabriel | nope, advisable? | 13:49 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yep, I love it, although I haven't finished it yet | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | i'll have a look, have to finish a classic first though | 13:50 |
| Venemo | it is not an easy reading, but it's awesome | 13:50 |
| Pnuu | read "the martian" by andy weir | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | isn't there a film "the martian" too? | 13:51 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: also, I assume you are familiar with Asimov | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | yup, but haven't read too much | 13:53 |
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| ggabriel | the last author i read a lot was iain banks, culture series | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | and he died relatively recently too | 13:58 |
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| Venemo | my condolences | 14:02 |
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| ggabriel | coffee machine cleaning time, laters | 14:14 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: anyway, it might be worth investigating why installing a random gstreamer plugin messes up the camera app | 14:24 |
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| AL13N | lpotter: Aard: Stskeeps: is this (my added answer) the kind of thing you're fixing? if not, then this is more info for you guys: https://together.jolla.com/question/4047/wifi-issues-sometimes-keeps-disconnecting-and-reconnecting#13941 | 15:28 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: do you use bluetooth when you see the wifi issues? | 15:37 |
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| AL13N | Venemo: nope, haven't used bluetooth before | 15:47 |
| AL13N | nothing else is on | 15:48 |
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| AL13N | no GPS , there isn't even a SIM in it | 15:48 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: ok, I just ask because I've seen a similar issue when I tried to connect to wifi while listening to music over bluetooth | 15:50 |
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| mkpaa | is someone working on native firefox for sailfish? it worked so nice with n9. | 17:12 |
| Turski | webcat is quite nice ;) | 17:13 |
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| Turski | and gets about double scores from browsermark compared to jolla browser | 17:14 |
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| walokra | did you get a notification about system update in about product it says that up to date | 17:53 |
| tbr | walokra: known bug, sometimes a notification appears | 17:53 |
| walokra | k | 17:53 |
| tbr | walokra: the next update is expected in a week or two (guess) | 17:53 |
| walokra | yeah, that's what i have heard | 17:54 |
| walokra | but you can always wish :) | 17:54 |
| Quu | walokra: someone (from jolla) said, that notification appears when they do somethings (probably updates on server or something) | 17:54 |
| Quu | i cant english today | 17:55 |
| Quu | well, you might understand what i tried. | 17:55 |
| flanag | I have the device passcode enabled and when I connect the Jolla to a computer it just goes straight to the homescreen and asks which "connection method" I would like to use. It skips the passcode completely and the potential thief can access everything on the phone. I couldn't find this reported on together.jolla, so is this just something I'm experiencing or am I using the wrong search terms? | 17:55 |
| tbr | flanag: and if you wake the device otherwise it will present you the lock? | 17:56 |
| Quu | flanag: just post it there, 800 people will tell if there is already thread like it. | 17:56 |
| flanag | tbr: yes, the device lock works in other situations | 17:57 |
| tbr | flanag: sounds like a bug, might be some interaction between when you set up lock screen and when you turned on developer mode or something like that | 17:57 |
| tbr | so yes, report it on TJC and tag it as bug | 17:58 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok im back <3 | 17:58 |
| tbr | prepare to get flamed by the "this works for me" people | 17:58 |
| flanag | I'll set the automatic lock to have no delay and test again to be sure | 17:58 |
| tbr | so better mention that you know that this might be specific to your device configuration and it works for others | 17:59 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok guys the retarded goldfish still needs help with changing filesystem on his SD card... | 17:59 |
| kor | does anyone know why this happens? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB56cz7MxuU | 17:59 |
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| sremes | has someone had a situation where you can't unlock the phone, the lock screen just could not be swiped to enter the lock code. had to remove the battery to reboot | 17:59 |
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| kor | the phone just flashes the screen on and off, and when it turns back on, there's garbage on the screen for a short while | 17:59 |
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| kor | you probably can't see the garbage in the video, but it's there. | 18:00 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | kor that shit would drive me mad atleast | 18:00 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | try using a hammer | 18:00 |
| tbr | sremes: happens very rarely to me, that the lock screen becomes quite sluggish. Mostly near OOM conditions with many big apps open | 18:00 |
| stephg | what tbr said but also with the 'connection problem' loop | 18:00 |
| stephg | but never completely unresponsive | 18:00 |
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| tbr | yeah, I've always managed to get it unlocked and some apps killed so far | 18:01 |
| flanag | tbr: now when I set it to have no delay, it doesn't seem to happen anymore.. I had the delay at 5 minutes earlier but if I am not completely mad, I don't think I had the phone unlocked in the last 5 minutes, so it should ask for the passcode.. | 18:01 |
| sremes | swipe from the bottom could sneak-view the notifications, but that would not get me anywhere | 18:01 |
| kor | it's been happening like twice a day now, so if anyone knows how to solve it that'd be great | 18:01 |
| kor | sometimes a reboot helps, sometimes not | 18:01 |
| sremes | I don't think I had many apps apart from Mitakuuluu open at the time | 18:02 |
| tbr | kor: any special things installed? | 18:02 |
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| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish what do you need | 18:07 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i need to get a new filesystem on my sd card from the terminal | 18:08 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | id rather not use putty since its way too fancy for me | 18:09 |
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| stephg | and you don't have a card reader no? | 18:09 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i already figured i need a script to mount the sd card at boot up so i got that part covered its just the formatting i dont know how to do:S | 18:09 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | no sd card reader | 18:09 |
| stephg | so you need to: | 18:10 |
| stephg | change the partition type of the 64GB partition on that card | 18:11 |
| stephg | and format the card | 18:11 |
| stephg | formatting is easy | 18:11 |
| stephg | changing the partition type is not so easy if you haven't used fdisk before and only have fingerterm | 18:11 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | well thats a relief | 18:11 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | :p | 18:11 |
| stephg | and both commands are dangerous if you make typos | 18:12 |
| stephg | as in brick-your-device dangerous | 18:12 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok ill be carefull | 18:12 |
| kor | tbr: special as in what? | 18:12 |
| stephg | putty's not that hard | 18:12 |
| stephg | (plus that way you get to copy and paste stuff here if you're worried) | 18:12 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well i want some sort of challenge dont i? | 18:12 |
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| Quu | do it blindfolded. | 18:12 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | on one leg | 18:13 |
| tbr | kor: enabled developer mode, installed random RPMs? | 18:13 |
| flanag | tbr: I set the delay again to 5 minutes and locked the device, waited about 7 minutes and connected the Jolla to a computer.. it skipped the passcode again | 18:13 |
| flanag | there definitely seems to be a bug | 18:13 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | stephg should i just look up some commands for fdisk and work my way from there? | 18:13 |
| flanag | can anyone else here test this? | 18:13 |
| kor | tbr: developer mode enabled, yes, but no random rpms are installed | 18:13 |
| tbr | flanag: off to TJC you go :) | 18:13 |
| tbr | kor: so not even things like openrepos? | 18:14 |
| kor | no. | 18:14 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish we can talk you through them, I'd just really do it via putty rather than the app | 18:14 |
| stephg | it's an interactive command | 18:14 |
| stephg | (well need not be but...) | 18:14 |
| Quu | butt | 18:14 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | fine well do it through putty | 18:15 |
| stephg | good :) | 18:15 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok can i use putty through usb? | 18:16 |
| kor | tbr: the closest thing to funky things that's installed is mitakuuluu and gapps | 18:16 |
| stephg | you can | 18:16 |
| stephg | is your yolla not on your wireless? | 18:16 |
| stephg | (do you have wireless) | 18:16 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah but now it decided to not show up | 18:16 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | dont ask me why | 18:16 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ok i just had to restart settings | 18:17 |
| stephg | you may find the network more stable if you have the jolla charging btw | 18:17 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | im inside the mainframe | 18:17 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | ok i typed in the ip adress thingy | 18:18 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | port is 22 | 18:18 |
| stephg | yep | 18:18 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | is it just to open it now | 18:18 |
| flanag | so would anyone here mind enabling the passcode and setting the delay to 5 minutes and then waiting (so the device would be locked) and trying to connect it to a computer with USB to see if it skips the passcode? | 18:18 |
| stephg | exactly | 18:18 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | once again | 18:18 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | im inside the mainframe | 18:19 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | what now | 18:19 |
| stephg | should have prompted you for a user? | 18:19 |
| kor | flanag: it doesn't | 18:19 |
| kor | just did it, heh | 18:19 |
| flanag | kor: so you had the delay at the same value as I did? | 18:19 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | its just showing a green square | 18:20 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish: it should prompt for a user, which is nemo, and the password is whatever settings developer mode says | 18:20 |
| stephg | gm | 18:20 |
| stephg | hm | 18:20 |
| stephg | even | 18:20 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | and now the connection timed out | 18:20 |
| stephg | right | 18:20 |
| stephg | flakey wireless :) | 18:20 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | cant i just do it through usb | 18:20 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | it says usb ip address here | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | sure | 18:20 |
| stephg | you can but no idea how to set up usbnet on windows | 18:21 |
| Yaniel | but you need to set up the network interface on your computer first | 18:21 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ugh | 18:21 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ill do it through wifi then | 18:22 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | its charging now | 18:22 |
| Yaniel | (hey it is developer/geek mode :P) | 18:22 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | its port 22 right | 18:22 |
| stephg | yep | 18:22 |
| Yaniel | ssh yes | 18:22 |
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| stephg | if you open a command prompt see if you can ping the jolla on whatever it's reporting as it's WLAN ip address | 18:23 |
| Yaniel | flanag: you mean that it unlocks the screen without asking for the code? | 18:23 |
| flanag | Yaniel: yes, that exactly | 18:23 |
| Yaniel | does it let you past the connection type dialog & lock screen though? | 18:24 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | Pinging 192.168.0.31 with 32 bytes of data: | 18:25 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | Reply from 192.168.0.7: Destination host unreachable. | 18:25 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | that doesent seem right | 18:25 |
| flanag | I'll explain again: The delay is at 5 minutes and the device has been unused for over 5 minutes, so it should be locked. I connect it to a computer and just straigth up asks for the connection method and let's me choose it. I can not use the phone and also see all the files on the computer. It just skips the lock completely. | 18:25 |
| flanag | woops.. | 18:26 |
| flanag | *I can use the phone | 18:26 |
| smokex | if you hook up on wifi you can ssh in through that | 18:26 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish: no that doesn't | 18:26 |
| flanag | Yaniel: does that explain what you were asking? | 18:26 |
| Yaniel | flanag: yes | 18:26 |
| Yaniel | and that is bad | 18:27 |
| flanag | yeah | 18:27 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | stephg what should i do? :o | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | you can't connect to it with putty? | 18:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | no conenction through putty | 18:28 |
| stephg | Yaniel looks like it's dropped off his wireless | 18:28 |
| Yaniel | GetzTheGoldfish: what windows version are you on? | 18:28 |
| stephg | is the wireless enabled in settings (not the developermode bit, but actually the settings shortcut on the first screen) | 18:28 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | windows 8 | 18:28 |
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| Yaniel | might as well take a look at how to set up the usbnet interface | 18:28 |
| Yaniel | but I have win 7 so might go a bit differently | 18:29 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | cant i just do it in the fingerterm? | 18:30 |
| Yaniel | sure | 18:30 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | finally someone who understands me | 18:30 |
| Yaniel | (that's why jolla is a must for me, it has a *real* terminal) | 18:30 |
| stephg | don't brick your phone with a typo :) | 18:31 |
| * stephg doesn't have the slimmest of fingers | 18:31 | |
| sremes | flanag: I think I can replicate that, I have the delay at 5 min, left the phone untouched for about 10 minutes, and connected usb | 18:31 |
| FireFly | If only fingerterm would support 256 colours and the device would have fonts with better unicode coverage.. | 18:31 |
| FireFly | (well, I guess the latter should be easy to do something about) | 18:32 |
| ottulo | [20:18] <flanag> so would anyone here mind enabling the passcode and setting the delay to 5 minutes and then waiting (so the device would be locked) and trying to connect it to a computer with USB to see if it skips the passcode? | 18:32 |
| ottulo | I have that exact setup, 5min delay | 18:32 |
| flanag | sremes: nice, thanks for testing it | 18:32 |
| flanag | ottulo: and? | 18:32 |
| ottulo | when I plug the USB it just starts charging, not appearing on PC at all nor asking if I want to connect | 18:32 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yaniel can you try guiding me through the proccess | 18:33 |
| flanag | ottulo: have you chosen the default mode for the usb from the settings? | 18:33 |
| ottulo | oh, that I haven't | 18:33 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i did fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 and it says exFAT | 18:33 |
| flanag | ottulo: I mean the "always just charge" | 18:33 |
| ottulo | nope | 18:34 |
| ottulo | it's "always ask" | 18:34 |
| flanag | ok | 18:34 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish: which filesystem are you gonig to use? | 18:34 |
| flanag | ottulo: dev mode enabled? | 18:34 |
| ottulo | it did open the screen for me to type the pass | 18:34 |
| stephg | ext4? | 18:34 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | brtfs is the best isnt it? | 18:34 |
| ottulo | flanag: yes | 18:34 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ext4 isnt good for sd cards is it | 18:34 |
| Yaniel | GetzTheGoldfish: unmounting it first is a good idea | 18:34 |
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| Yaniel | obviously dev mode is enabled since he has fingerterm and was trying to ssh in | 18:34 |
| flanag | so sremes can replicate the bug but ottulo can't, hmm | 18:35 |
| ottulo | Yaniel: I wasn't trying to ssh | 18:35 |
| flanag | I wonder what's the difference here | 18:35 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | how do i unmount it then? | 18:35 |
| stephg | btw if you format it either ext4 or btrfs you're going to have real difficulty reading the contents on windows btw ;) | 18:35 |
| Yaniel | ottulo: oh, wrong discussion | 18:35 |
| stephg | but you don't have a card reader so I guess that's irrelevant | 18:35 |
| Yaniel | GetzTheGoldfish: devel-su umount /dev/mmcblk1 | 18:35 |
| Pnuu | ottulo: did you use a charger or computer usb-port?-) | 18:35 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | ottulo we are trying to get the mumin trolls as my ringtone here having the ringtone on the sd card | 18:35 |
| ottulo | Pnuu: usb-port on pc :P | 18:35 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | well i might be able to get my hands on one | 18:35 |
| Pnuu | just checking :-) | 18:35 |
| flanag | ottulo: operating system? | 18:36 |
| ottulo | Win 7 | 18:36 |
| flanag | ok | 18:36 |
| flanag | hmm | 18:36 |
| ottulo | I'll try on Linux just to make sure, sec | 18:36 |
| flanag | it asks for the passcode if I don't have a delay but the delay at 5 minutes it seems to skip it | 18:36 |
| Nicd- | my jolla shut down twice today, while I was looking at it | 18:36 |
| Nicd- | the first time I was opening the browser and the second time I was listening to music | 18:37 |
| ottulo | flanag: on linux it won't show up as well, just starts charging | 18:37 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish well just if you want to do that in the future | 18:38 |
| ottulo | flanag: it does open screen on both win7 and linux, so I can type the passcode - if I do, it still won't ask me if I want to enable pc access | 18:38 |
| Pnuu | does it matter which end of the cable is plugged-in last? | 18:38 |
| stephg | did some reading and if you do fat32 you should still be able to use all of it | 18:38 |
| flanag | ottulo: I tested mine again and it asked now.. hmm, it might be that the device counts the 5 minutes unreliably and it actually has to be unused for longer | 18:39 |
| flanag | it would help if more people would try testing this | 18:39 |
| Quu | Nicd-: glhf. :f | 18:40 |
| Eztran | flanag: surely you can test that by attempting to unlock it normally after the 5 minutes? | 18:41 |
| flanag | Eztran: doing just that now, waiting for it to be locked | 18:41 |
| stephg | right I have to go and make dinner, lots of folks here will be able to help with fdisk and the appropriate mkfs command | 18:41 |
| Eztran | Ah, a bug which you have to wait to test. Gotta be annoying. | 18:41 |
| stephg | ^ GetzTheGoldfish good luck! | 18:42 |
| flanag | Eztran: yeah | 18:42 |
| nidelius | anyone having trouble with mobile data and android apps? I'm getting error when I try to run MS RD client | 18:43 |
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| Yaniel | turns out setting up the usbnet interface on win7 is quite painless | 18:46 |
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| flanag | I'm pretty certain now that it's a bug with the phone counting the 5 minutes unreliably, so it actually needs to be unused for more than 5 minutes.. | 18:54 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | ok guys i just formatted it to fat32 | 18:55 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | what now | 18:55 |
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| cvp | Hello ;) | 18:57 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | ok guys i formatted my sd card to fat32 is there something more i should do? | 18:57 |
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| Pnuu | put something on the card?-) | 18:59 |
| cvp | hehe | 18:59 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | yeah i got the mumin trolls ringtone working now | 18:59 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | this is amazing | 18:59 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | you should do the same | 18:59 |
| cvp | is here someone from germany what have a 3D printer ? :) | 19:01 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | find a cnc mill and make an aluminium other half :D | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | I'd like to use theme from tao-tao as alarm tone, but: https://together.jolla.com/question/1076/changing-clock-alarm-changes-also-calendar-alarm/ | 19:02 |
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| attah | is mumin a thing outside the nordics and japan? :P | 19:03 |
| flanag | waited over 7 minutes now.. the phone just skipped the passcode | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Jonni: ever seen anything like flanag describes? | 19:09 |
| AL13N | i've seen this | 19:09 |
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| AL13N | even when i press power button, where i assume that it's locked, it isn't | 19:09 |
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| flanag | Stskeeps: can you include more options for the lock delay setting? I think 2 minutes would be a nice option to add. | 19:13 |
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| flanag | I tested again and waited over 10 minutes, it skipped the passcode again. This is really inconsistent. | 19:16 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | So now the question remains, how do i let an android app make use of my sd card? | 19:49 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | or is that impossible as of today? | 19:49 |
| flanag | symlink | 19:49 |
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| GetzTheGoldfish | teach me your ways | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought that dalvik wouldn't follow symlinks | 19:50 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | maybe we need to sprinkle some angel dust on it :o | 19:50 |
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| Jonni | Stskeeps: flanag: it needs to be 5 minutes is dimmed screen, so idle counter starts when screen is dimmed. | 19:52 |
| flanag | Jonni: I understand that | 19:52 |
| flanag | when I tested I just locked the device (black screen) | 19:53 |
| pawky | i must say, its a very cool phone, but the apps and os feels a bit beta still. | 19:53 |
| ln- | pawky: coincidently, the os was advertised as beta. | 19:53 |
| pawky | Am I right there is no way to read any log what goes wrong with the e-mail sync? | 19:53 |
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| pawky | Am I assuming right, there is no way to set how many times a day the e-mail accounts are to be polled? | 19:54 |
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| pawky | ln: I must have missed that part. | 19:55 |
| tbr | pawky: there is a way to reset that from the CLI | 19:55 |
| pawky | tbr: reset? | 19:55 |
| ln- | it would be false advertising if people were promised a beta os, and it worked without a glitch in all respects. | 19:55 |
| tbr | pawky: also journal might have email info | 19:55 |
| tbr | pawky: it's somewhere on TJC | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | pawky: tcpdump in principle may work | 19:59 |
| pawky | SpeedEvil: But the proper way is to make the service log what happens.... | 20:00 |
| Jonni | devel list has example howto enable email error logging. | 20:00 |
| pawky | SpeeDevil: tcpdump is not really an alternative when the connection is encryptet IMAP, i presume | 20:00 |
| pawky | Jonni: ok, sounds promising :-) | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 20:01 |
| Quu | pawky: y u no tabcomplete | 20:01 |
| Jonni | pawky: https://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.sailfishos.org/msg02641.html | 20:01 |
| Jonni | GetzTheGoldfish: btw, exFAT works if you compile exfat fuse packages on the device. Just a notice if you want 64GB working in both windows and jolla. | 20:03 |
| pawky | Jonni: Thank you :-) | 20:03 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | jonn it is working on jolla and widowns using fat32 :o | 20:06 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | or am i missing out on something? | 20:06 |
| pawky | Jonni: duh.... exactly nothing happens when updating and running it in forground... | 20:07 |
| stephg | GetzTheGoldfish no you're not missing much | 20:07 |
| Jonni | pawky: nothing in console screen? | 20:07 |
| tbr | pawky: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/how-to-temporarily-fix-the-email-not-syncing-problem/ - you can derive the info about check interval from that posting | 20:08 |
| pawky | Jonni: nope... | 20:08 |
| Jonni | pawky: and you run it as nemo or root? | 20:08 |
| pawky | tbr: thanks will have a look soon | 20:08 |
| pawky | Jonni: jupp... | 20:08 |
| Jonni | that was a question | 20:08 |
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| pawky | Jonni: yes, i am runing nemo as root :-) | 20:09 |
| pawky | sorry.. | 20:09 |
| pawky | Jonni: sorry, i meant I am running as root... ;-) | 20:09 |
| Jonni | well I though that it was supposed to be runned as nemo, but I might remember wrong | 20:10 |
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| pawky | and the messageserver5 in foreground, then I use the phone and does an "update" | 20:10 |
| Jonni | but yes tbr's link should help too. | 20:10 |
| pawky | Jonni: hmm.. i thought it was a service.. | 20:10 |
| pawky | Jonni: will try to run as user then.. | 20:11 |
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| Jonni | might have been, I dont rememeber, I dont have device in hand, so I cant do ps aux to check. | 20:11 |
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| pawky | Jonni: no difference | 20:12 |
| Jonni | well then together post should help | 20:12 |
| stephg | messageserver should be run as nemo | 20:12 |
| pp_ | hehe, airplane mode is interesting | 20:13 |
| flanag | ? | 20:13 |
| pp_ | not sure if you're supposed to be able to get out of it as easily at it is now | 20:13 |
| stephg | pp_ there's a couple of bugs about that already | 20:14 |
| stephg | particular related to dalvik | 20:14 |
| pawky | pp_: use the exit in front, two on the side, or at the back of the plane... | 20:14 |
| stephg | -o- | 20:14 |
| stephg | |o| | 20:14 |
| pp_ | hopefully didn't break any aviation laws :D | 20:14 |
| stephg | etc. | 20:14 |
| ln- | the nearest exit may be behind you | 20:14 |
| pawky | ln: lol | 20:14 |
| pp_ | I did play hill climbing racing at 10km | 20:14 |
| pawky | pp_: just read the broschure... | 20:14 |
| pp_ | some rovio games wanted internet to show ads | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | ^all | 20:15 |
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| pawky | what are these (null).XYZ... files in /home/nemo all about? | 20:17 |
| stephg | unrelated to anything, anyone know if there's a fuse-mtp or somesuch module? | 20:17 |
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| stephg | (for computers, not on the Jolla) | 20:18 |
| * stephg live's in the 80s and does all his file copying via the command line... | 20:18 | |
| pawky | stephg: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MTP ? | 20:19 |
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| stephg | pawky thx | 20:20 |
| Turski | stephg: scp/sshfs is many times faster | 20:20 |
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| stephg | on a related note to sshfs, how is tracker these days :) | 20:23 |
| stephg | (although you're right, sshfs would also give access to the sdcard) | 20:23 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | any news on letting android apps access sd cards? | 20:23 |
| pawky | GetzTheGoldfish: can it not? | 20:24 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | i cant seem to get it to work | 20:24 |
| GetzTheGoldfish | also read about android apps not accessing sd cards | 20:25 |
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| attah | GetzTheGoldfish: I see someone on TJC saying "use a bind mount".. whatever that is | 20:27 |
| pawky | attah: its like a link | 20:27 |
| pawky | attah, but a directory one | 20:27 |
| pawky | attah: makes one directory point to another.... | 20:27 |
| stephg | attah: yeah | 20:27 |
| attah | Okay :) | 20:28 |
| stephg | mount -o bind /some/dir /some/other/dir | 20:28 |
| stephg | ^very not helpful nested paths, but you see what I mean | 20:28 |
| pawky | mount -h | 20:28 |
| pawky | stephg: what are you missing? | 20:28 |
| stephg | me? just looking at options that behave like the old usb mass storage, that aren't actually them | 20:29 |
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| attah | stephg: can't one emulate a file system? and give access to that.. | 20:30 |
| stephg | attah that's why I was asking about mtp-fuse things | 20:31 |
| attah | if MVFS works, why shouldn't this be doable..? | 20:31 |
| attah | ah.. you are already way ahead of me.. nevermind then :) | 20:31 |
| stephg | ;) | 20:31 |
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| pawky | WTF: ag-tool lit-accounts "No accounts configeured" ??? | 20:39 |
| pawky | (list-accounts) | 20:41 |
| pawky | ahh.. not so wise to do that command as root.... | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | we're not -that- insecure | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:47 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: any thoughts on the passcode problem? | 20:48 |
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| AL13N | in any case, NFS mounting into ~nemo/{Music,Video}/server works, sort of | 20:50 |
| AL13N | anyone know how to trigger tracker to reindex the Video/Music ? | 20:50 |
| * stephg *shudders at NFS* | 20:50 | |
| AL13N | stephg: what's wrong with NFS? | 20:50 |
| stephg | AL13N: there's a command line tool that I think can force | 20:50 |
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| AL13N | stephg: any idea about the name of that cli tool? | 20:51 |
| stephg | just looking now | 20:51 |
| stephg | might be in tracker-control | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: not offhand, i'm a bit not around today as i'm travelling to finland tomorrow, wife wanted me to work on a lot of things :P | 20:53 |
| pawky | will a POP3 account leave mail on server by default? | 20:53 |
| stephg | AL13N: also have a look at /usr/bin/tracker-sd-indexing.sh | 20:53 |
| AL13N | ah yes, that might give a clue | 20:54 |
| AL13N | anyone using a IRC client on jolla yet? | 20:54 |
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| Quu | irssi + screen, who needs local irc-clients | 20:54 |
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| Bysmyyr | same | 20:55 |
| clau | Venemo, have you published the irc client yet? If I recall you were working on something, right? | 20:55 |
| flanag | Stskeeps: ok :) would be nice to get some info on this problem at some point because I think it's quite serious | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: was there a together.* item with tag 'bug' on it? | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, device lock should just work | 20:56 |
| flanag | I didn't post anyting on together.jolla yet | 20:56 |
| flanag | I was looking to get the problem confirmed here first | 20:57 |
| flanag | *anything | 20:58 |
| Nicd- | Quu: weechat + tmux is better ;) | 20:59 |
| Quu | Nicd-: sorry, dont like em | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | flanag: let's get it on together.* and see if anybody else can get it | 21:01 |
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| Nicd- | Quu: what's not to like with tmux? it's nothing but improvements over scren | 21:02 |
| Nicd- | screen* | 21:02 |
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| Quu | well, i dont need any of these improvements | 21:09 |
| Nicd- | I thought I didn't | 21:10 |
| Nicd- | but I was wrong! | 21:10 |
| Quu | im never wrong. | 21:10 |
| Quu | just "not right" on most times. | 21:10 |
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| teve | So why weechat is better than irssi? One can add xmmp plugin to irssi. | 21:11 |
| Quu | what people usually say is: it has nicklist | 21:12 |
| Nicd- | for me: nicklist and channel list actually work, no need for fifos and they aren't hacky, bitlbee userlist was easy to insert without a script, weechat relay protocol (gonna write a sailfish client for that) | 21:13 |
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| Quu | i dont care about nicklists, people are always online or they are people i dont want to talk with. | 21:14 |
| Nicd- | I have a nicklist on the right side and a windowlist on the left side | 21:15 |
| teve | does it work with mosh better than irssi? (long line wrapping)? | 21:15 |
| Nicd- | I have no idea | 21:15 |
| Nicd- | a sailfish weechat relay client will make mosh irrelevant | 21:16 |
| Quu | if that works like i imagine it should work, i might even bother to change | 21:17 |
| Nicd- | I'll find out when my courses stop in a month or so | 21:18 |
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| Venemo | clau: yes, it is a joint effort by jpnurmi, w00t and myself, it's not published yet | 21:55 |
| clau | Venemo, just yell when you guys publish it :) | 21:56 |
| Venemo | clau: sure :) | 21:57 |
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| petantik | mosh has its own advantages. | 22:06 |
| tbr | all I need with mosh is some integration with finger term to send it to background when fingerterm is in background | 22:07 |
| tbr | to reduce traffic | 22:07 |
| tbr | and thus power consumption | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | tbr: I made a shortcut for that | 22:08 |
| petantik | when you background fingerterm do its child processes stay awake? | 22:08 |
| tbr | Yaniel: care to share? | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | since in fingerterm it is not possible to press ctrl-^ | 22:09 |
| kelvan | petantik: afaik yes | 22:09 |
| Yaniel | tbr: sure, just a moment | 22:09 |
| petantik | Yaniel: if you do a caps lock, does Ctrl ^ not signal? | 22:11 |
| Yaniel | nope | 22:11 |
| Yaniel | it just enters ^ | 22:12 |
| petantik | Ah. okay. | 22:14 |
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| Yaniel | http://ix.io/9PN | 22:16 |
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| Yaniel | ~/.config/FingerTerm/menu.xml that is | 22:20 |
| petantik | pretty nifty, didn't realise it was this straightforward. | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | took me a while to find the hex codes but yeah | 22:21 |
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| Yaniel | it might actually be a good idea to add a shortcut for just Ctrl ^ too | 22:23 |
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| tbr | yeah, heikki made it possible to customize layouts too etc, pretty cool stuff | 22:24 |
| petantik | Yaniel: At the minimum, being able to send Ctrl plus the alternative symbols. | 22:25 |
| tbr | that would be a fix in fingerterm, most welcome | 22:26 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | but I don't have that much time at my hands | 22:27 |
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| * pahartik looked at ".config/FingerTerm/settings.ini" but found nothing to set background light and foreground dark | 22:38 | |
| Yaniel | I don't think you can (I wouldn't want to anyway) | 22:41 |
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| AL13N | Aard: ping | 22:52 |
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| AL13N | Aard: i hear you did some contributions to mana ? | 22:52 |
| Aard | yes | 22:53 |
| Aard | though didn't have time for about 2 years :) | 22:53 |
| * Aard is responsible for mana using cmake nowadays | 22:53 | |
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| AL13N | Aard: i know 4144 who makes manaplus (i'm packaging manaplus in Mageia) | 23:10 |
| AL13N | i've been pushing 4144 to make a native app | 23:10 |
| AL13N | for jolla | 23:10 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: what's manaplus? | 23:23 |
| Aard | a mana fork | 23:24 |
| Venemo | what is mana? | 23:25 |
| Aard | the software manaplus was forked from :p | 23:25 |
| Venemo | awesome | 23:25 |
| Quu | zomg everything makes sense suddendly | 23:25 |
| Aard | http://www.manasource.org/ | 23:26 |
| Venemo | btw Aard, we can soon(tm) give you a beta version of the IRC client :) | 23:26 |
| Aard | \o/ | 23:26 |
| Quu | Aard: battery change didnt help at all :) | 23:26 |
| Aard | Quu: well, I heard it delayed the issues for a day :) | 23:26 |
| Venemo | there are a few rough edges but it's mostiy okay. I use it regularly already | 23:26 |
| Venemo | anyway now, have a good night everyone! :) | 23:27 |
| Quu | Aard: kinda yeah, had almost 2d uptime.. :D | 23:27 |
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| Yaniel | what irc client? | 23:30 |
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