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| FireFly | Hm, now that you mention it they should've provided a leash hole.. | 00:00 |
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| pawky | FireFly: that would have been ok as well.. even though I prefer your optional rubber back plane | 00:01 |
| pawky | best would be both | 00:01 |
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| FireFly | Well I mean, providing a hole for leashes is basically free cost-wise | 00:01 |
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| FireFly | Assuming you have some part without electronics to spare | 00:01 |
| pawky | FireFly: i second that | 00:02 |
| pawky | FireFly: I have my N900 "on a leash" :-) | 00:02 |
| FireFly | Haha | 00:02 |
| Yaniel | preferrably in the aluminum frame | 00:03 |
| * FireFly writes it down on together as a suggestion | 00:03 | |
| FireFly | For a future hardware revision | 00:04 |
| pawky | FireFly: The leash I use, is from a Com Radio, with some plasti ball leash shortener, which you just keep between your pinkie and ring finger, just in case.. saved me many times in tough conditions... | 00:04 |
| Yaniel | I have yet to see my envisioned crossover of 5140 (rubber) and E51 (stainless steel) | 00:04 |
| ln- | can harbour apps be apps that run in terminal? | 00:05 |
| pawky | All needed to be done is to coat the plastic back plane and the issue will be no more i think.. | 00:06 |
| pawky | Yaniel: haven't you dropped your phone already? or was it someone else? | 00:06 |
| pdanek | pawky: why half :O | 00:07 |
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| Yaniel | no | 00:07 |
| pawky | pdanek: its an easy fix | 00:07 |
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| Yaniel | well actually it did fall about 1m from a shelf to a concrete floor | 00:07 |
| Yaniel | no apparent effect :D | 00:08 |
| pawky | pdanek: I believe Jolla encourages other manufacturers to also create backplanes, so anyone listening in, go go gadget :-) | 00:08 |
| teve | bc | 00:08 |
| pawky | Yaniel: someone did show a picture of his smashed screen yesterday... so the issue is quite real i presume.. | 00:09 |
| pawky | teve: bc? | 00:09 |
| ln- | an airbag-otherhalf? parachute-otherhalf? | 00:09 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 00:09 |
| Yaniel | otoh in my case a leash would not have helped | 00:09 |
| pawky | ln: interesting... might be on the heavy side though... then again the Jolla is quite light | 00:09 |
| Yaniel | I'd almost say it is so light that it feels like cheating | 00:10 |
| teve | pawky: just a mistype, caps lock was enalbled and I tried to change to different window inside tmux session. | 00:10 |
| pawky | dropping a phone can actually be quite fatal... I remember in the early years of mobile phones, a kid dropped his phone in the water when jumping upon his sailbot being drunk... he dove down, and drowned.... | 00:11 |
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| pawky | Hence, making droppable phones can be hazzardous, especially if your clientel tends to get drunk now and then... | 00:12 |
| pawky | I believe hes abbituary might have ended up on http://darwinawards.com/ if not, he should have.. | 00:14 |
| pawky | but it could all have been avoided with a non slippery phone :-D | 00:15 |
| Yaniel | well.. what shall we do with drunken sailors | 00:16 |
| Yaniel | or drunken whalers, for that matter ;) | 00:16 |
| pawky | Yaniel:LOL | 00:16 |
| pawky | Am I the only one thinking the off button is a bit to quick to deside when its time to call it a day?... | 00:17 |
| pawky | .... compared to the N9 that took ages... | 00:17 |
| pawky | I have been wondering wether this delay is hardware based or software? | 00:18 |
| FireFly | pawky: meaning, to shut down the device by holding it down? | 00:19 |
| FireFly | I think it has a good delay, at least I didn't find it annoying | 00:20 |
| pawky | FireFly: yes... | 00:24 |
| pawky | FireFly: Let's measure.. | 00:25 |
| pawky | 2 seconds... | 00:25 |
| pawky | FireFly, a bit on the short side I would say.. | 00:26 |
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| pawky | FireFly:It's probably even a bit less, but I don't have a timer installed. | 00:27 |
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| FireFly | Shrug.. seems fine to me | 00:27 |
| FireFly | I don't usually go around holding the power button down :P | 00:27 |
| pawky | FireFly: well, its not that hard to accidentally push this button for a short while when putting the phone in your pocket or whatever.... | 00:28 |
| FireFly | and it requires just a quick tap to wake up | 00:28 |
| pawky | FireFly: well, even though booting it up is fast, its not that fast... | 00:29 |
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| pawky | FireFly: I would like to keep my phone up and running, instead of unknowingly walk around with it being turned off | 00:29 |
| FireFly | Yeah.. I haven't accidentally turned it off since I got it before christmas | 00:30 |
| pawky | FireFly: I have done it like 4 times as of today | 00:30 |
| pawky | Just by looking upon the button makes the phone turn itself of it seems... | 00:30 |
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| pawky | I certainly think it needs a 5 second delay or so.. like the N9 | 00:31 |
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| pawky | Would the button not be sticking out of the casing it could have a shorter time maybe... | 00:32 |
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| pawky | FireFly; Cool... the Shazam app actually works once I rebooted the phone :-D | 00:38 |
| FireFly | Oh, cool | 00:38 |
| pawky | FireFly: my singing seemed to be a bit out of tune though... "no match" ;-) | 00:38 |
| FireFly | Haha | 00:39 |
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| HtheB | howdy sailors! | 00:58 |
| pahartik | Hello HtheB Sailfish | 01:03 |
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| HtheB | you're selfish... | 01:03 |
| HtheB | :P | 01:03 |
| HtheB | heheh | 01:04 |
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| RST38h | ...Three individuals claiming to work for the "Ennui Control Bureau" traveling throughout rural southwestern Slovakia, counting any observed instances of Muscardinus avellanarius (common dormouse), and text messaging the results to a phone number listed at the Japanese Consulate in Lima, Peru | 04:41 |
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| AL13N | btw: the compass doesn't work up-side down | 08:37 |
| AL13N | it should really be a 3D-compass | 08:37 |
| AL13N | (app) | 08:37 |
| AL13N | i donno who wrote it | 08:37 |
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| mikma | al13n: umm, just in case you flip your car and wanna know where you at? :) | 08:40 |
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| AL13N | mikma: or just lie down, look at the stars, hold up your compass and find out where's the north | 08:50 |
| AL13N | which is sorta what happened yesterday | 08:50 |
| AL13N | i'm not going into details | 08:50 |
| ljp | AL13N: what compass is that? | 08:52 |
| AL13N | is there more than one compass? | 08:53 |
| AL13N | also, i didn't find an IRC client | 08:54 |
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| ljp | AL13N: you mean SailCOmpass in the store, I presume | 08:58 |
| AL13N | probably | 08:58 |
| ljp | glad they allowed sensors, so I can add the jolla compass app | 08:58 |
| AL13N | ljp: sailcompass is yours? | 08:58 |
| AL13N | or? | 08:58 |
| ljp | not mine | 08:58 |
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| AL13N | you're making a compass app? | 08:59 |
| ljp | I did, yes | 09:00 |
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| AL13N | ljp: and you submitted it to harbour where it needs to be QA'd yet? | 09:03 |
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| ljp | no | 09:07 |
| ljp | https://twitter.com/llornkcor/status/421931143449956352 | 09:07 |
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| AL13N | ljp: i didn't see it in the store | 09:50 |
| AL13N | i'm having some strange connection issues | 09:50 |
| AL13N | it seems the wlan has trouble getting ipv4 | 09:51 |
| AL13N | i see the dhcp request and answer on the wifi network though, but it doesn't accept that ip address | 09:51 |
| boilerkim | is it possible to use android widgets? | 09:54 |
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| boilerkim | in an emulated environment | 09:55 |
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| ln- | it's happening again, the screen stays on indefinitely except in lock screen it turns off normally. | 10:12 |
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| mikma | ln-: same problem here, no idea what causes it. tohd.service + mitäkuuluu? | 10:33 |
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| ln- | mikma: i hadn't shut down tohd.service, and mitäkuuluu is not installed. | 10:36 |
| mikma | ln-: ok, that rules out both of them, i have stopped tohd and have mitäkuuluu | 10:37 |
| mikma | ln-: https://together.jolla.com/question/13191/display-doesnt-turn-off-automatically/ | 10:37 |
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| mikma | ln-: i currently am having the display stays on issue, so i'll test stopping aliendalvik | 10:38 |
| mikma | ln-: confirmed, systemctl stop aliendalvik.service makes the screen turn off | 10:40 |
| mikma | ln-: i did this with ssh | 10:40 |
| ln- | okay | 10:41 |
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| mikma | i wonder how long will it take for someone to create and sell a ToH that has protective siliconecasing included | 11:00 |
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| pawky | on the bottom of the phone it looks like you have like stereo speakers, is it correct the left one is the speaker and the right one is a microphone? | 11:05 |
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| attah | yep.. speaker+mic.. no stereo there.. | 11:06 |
| pawky | attah: just wanted to check, as only the left one sounds :-) | 11:06 |
| attah | glad to be of some help :) | 11:07 |
| pawky | :-) | 11:07 |
| mikma | pawky: yeap. only one speaker, on the left | 11:08 |
| pawky | as the phone uses Qt, one could install qt stuff for perl right, and start writing things... or? | 11:08 |
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| the_mgt | moin | 11:12 |
| the_mgt | are there any rumors about native ScummVM support for sailfish? | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | morning | 11:16 |
| mikma | the_mgt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92348 | 11:16 |
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| the_mgt | mikma: nice! thank you | 11:22 |
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| attah | i remember reading that all stock apps were built with public/documented apis.. so that should mean that i can get at the media library functionality, right? but how? | 11:25 |
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| ggabriel | tjc is super slow today | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | making a backup maybe? :) | 11:31 |
| Pnuu | worked well just a while ago | 11:31 |
| Pnuu | now I got "Unhandled Exception" | 11:32 |
| covox | I miss you europe :( | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | well, it's hosted in the aws, what do you expect ;-) | 11:33 |
| covox | it's 7:35pm and 41 degrees | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | covox: where are you? south east asia? | 11:34 |
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| covox | ggabriel: perth | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | a bit southern then ;-) | 11:35 |
| covox | quite | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | quite the same in my home city, i wouldn't go there this time of the year | 11:36 |
| FireFly | It's 12:35 and finally white outside | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | unless i can live in a pool | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | yup, bring on the snow, hopefully will be snowboarding soon :D | 11:36 |
| FireFly | Yeah, that's a nice bonus.. the main reason for me wanting snow is getting rid of the darkness though | 11:38 |
| FireFly | Hm, "on friday we start the snow cannons" ← I wonder if they meant yesterday, or next friday | 11:39 |
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| ggabriel | should be this friday, if english is accurate | 11:40 |
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| ggabriel | well, the sentence is wrong anyway | 11:40 |
| FireFly | Well, I'm not sure how up-to-date they keep the site :P | 11:41 |
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| covox | snow cannon? | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | sad re the artificial snow | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | then again, this winter is rather warm | 11:41 |
| FireFly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_cannon | 11:41 |
| mikma | hmm yeah. apparently you can't make black/white theme, it'll convert into black/yellow | 11:46 |
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| Tofe | anyone here using the bnp paribas android app ? I'm losing the settings at each device reboot, and I wonder if such problem has already been seen. Didn't find anythng on together yet. | 12:14 |
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| mikma | https://www.dropbox.com/s/34wfho11n3yo5ir/jolla-ambience-image-template.png | 12:20 |
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| mikma | hehe, perfect idea for ambience lockscreen image - http://lumberjocks.com/assets/pictures/projects/311968-438x.jpg | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | lots of explaining to do ;-) | 12:22 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: doubt it :D | 12:23 |
| mikma | it's like turning the microwave off before counter reaches 0:00 | 12:23 |
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| ggabriel | covox: this is what you mean? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwUXCSEWVvw | 12:37 |
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| Nichope | Hi everybody! I'm Nico, someone not really proficient at programming but with some (from time to time good) ideas, and really willing to help if I am able to :) (and if my almost inexistent free time allows me to do so :P) | 13:02 |
| Nichope | For now my Jolla phone hasn't arrived yet, but I read some complaints from some users that I think that could be solved quite easily implementing a feature in Sailfish that would fit well into the nature of the OS. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | welcome o/ | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | Nichope: http://together.jolla.com is a quite good place for that | 13:03 |
| Nichope | Before posting it at together.jolla.com, do you know if there is already a solution for the cases where there's a lot of information in the page where you are, you are far from both of its edges (so you would need to scroll a lot to get to the top or bottom), and you would like to use the pulley menu? | 13:03 |
| Nichope | :) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's a together.* item on a similar topic | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | but i can't give you an ulr | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | url | 13:04 |
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| Nichope | ok, I will try to look for it at together for myself, an if I don't find it I will start a new "question" :) | 13:05 |
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| Nichope | if someone knows about it, just tell me (I could miss it :P) | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Nichope: hi and https://together.jolla.com/question/1565/scrolling-for-long-lists-unpractical/ | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Nichope: sorry, that's a duplicate | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | ä | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | Nichope: this one is the correct one: https://together.jolla.com/question/1154/no-way-to-quickly-navigate-through-a-long-list/ | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | feel free to dump your thoughts there | 13:08 |
| Nichope | ok! thank you ^^ | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | nw | 13:10 |
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| ggabriel | i've just realized that my n9's uptime is over 16 days and memory is a mess, better reboot :P | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | o/ zenvoid | 13:20 |
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| MMori | hi, since #sailfishos isn't answering me, does anybody here know if it should be possible to use camera in my app through QtMobility? | 13:26 |
| Yaniel | does QtMobility even exist in Qt5 anymore? | 13:27 |
| tbr | nope | 13:27 |
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| tbr | things either got merged or thrown out | 13:27 |
| MMori | oh, so can you give a solution? | 13:28 |
| attah | While the knowledgeable people have their attention pointed this way.. what about DocumentGallery or similar? </spam> | 13:28 |
| MMori | attah QtDocGallery 5.0 should work | 13:30 |
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| attah | MMori: but afaik it's not allowed in the store.. and that makes me worried | 13:31 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: 2 days, 0 shutdowns | 13:31 |
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| MMori | attah: bah. that's sad to hear | 13:32 |
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| Venemo | attah: what's not allowed? | 13:33 |
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| attah | Venemo: QtDocGallery 5.0 or? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: ok, with a battery change.. | 13:34 |
| attah | Venemo: or perhaps i'm not qualified to interpret the faq :) (highly possible) | 13:35 |
| attah | MMori: yep.. hope it will be.. but since i'm a total n00b i can't make any educated guesses | 13:36 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: yes. still would not call it "solved" just yet, need atleast couple more days | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: very interesting piece of information | 13:45 |
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| Venemo | attah: yes, QtDocGallery is disallowed | 13:58 |
| attah | Venemo: ok, as i suspected.. but no alternative/replacement? | 13:59 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: ok, first shutdown. | 14:03 |
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| Venemo | attah: no, but you can workaround - bundle the module with your app, etc | 14:53 |
| Venemo | attah: I'm sure the people at #sailfishos can help you with it :) | 14:53 |
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| attah | Venemo: I truly suck at everything app related at the moment.. so maybe i should spare their patience ;) | 14:54 |
| Venemo | attah: why would you say you suck? | 14:55 |
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| Venemo | attah: I don't think you suck! | 14:56 |
| attah | Venemo: Well actually it is more a lack of experience than anything else.. but i just can't seem to wrap my head around it.. the structure doesn't make sense to me | 14:57 |
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| attah | Venemo: That's nice to hear.. but for now.. you are incorrect | 14:57 |
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| Venemo | attah: so you are a beginner. that's not a bad thing. everyone must start from somewhere! | 14:58 |
| Venemo | attah: what is it that gives you trouble? I'm sure we can help, | 14:58 |
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| attah | truth be told i haven't tried doing anything since my N9 was somewhat new.. and i was failing to understand how to for example call c++ from qml or push stuff to a list and seemingly trivial stuff like that | 15:02 |
| Yaniel | signals | 15:02 |
| Pnuu | attah: gui programming sucks :-D | 15:02 |
| Yaniel | ^ yep | 15:03 |
| attah | but i guess it' mostly that i don't get the structure.. example apps are all either 20 lines or 2000 lines :( | 15:03 |
| Pnuu | I've given up already | 15:03 |
| Venemo | attah: have you taken a look at the Qt documentation? | 15:03 |
| Pnuu | maybe I'll take another look at it when pyotherside is in the default repos | 15:03 |
| attah | yes.. but it's hard to tell which parts apply and which don't | 15:03 |
| attah | and i failed to find an overview of how a app is constructed | 15:04 |
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| Venemo | attah: okay, I suggest that at first, take a look at the Qt tutorials (the non-sailfish specific ones) | 15:05 |
| attah | Venemo: yeah.. i guess i'm trying to run before i can walk | 15:06 |
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| attah | my attention span might have deteriorated over the years.. i'm too used to learn quickly - as demonstrated by my math grades going from highschool to university | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine too. | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - me too. | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | yupp, sounds familiar | 15:15 |
| Waitee | yeah know the feeling | 15:15 |
| Waitee | no passed courses on math yet and i've done them once | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I've found that helping out on basic stuff over on ##electronics has _really_ concreted my understandings of the basics. | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Trying to explain just why voltage. | 15:16 |
| Pnuu | me t oo, shiny! | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | for example. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, any electronics engineers here? | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | SpeedEvil: same applies to almost aanything | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | for me ##OpenGL has done that :P | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: For various definitions of engineer. | 15:17 |
| Waitee | IT engineer student here | 15:17 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: used to do EE, why? | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm currently trying to design a +-300A +-50V switching CC/CV PSU, for example. | 15:17 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: depending on the case, electronics/space/remotesensing engineer | 15:17 |
| Pnuu | but I wouldn't trust me in most cases :-D | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | so if you see something like this: | 15:17 |
| Waitee | i liked that space part | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | PM8921_BMS_VSENSE_THR | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | what would you presume it was? | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | an IRQ | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | related to batteries | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Battery Management System Vsense Threshold | 15:18 |
| attah | voltmeter? | 15:18 |
| tbr | also the first thing is some sort of power management chip | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps a current trip to shut something off on over/undersomething. | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | the device dies ~6 minutes after i've read this | 15:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: you mean when discharging - or just with plenty of battery | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's discharging, battery level at 61.61% supposedly | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | no charging | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | odd. | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps some sort of watchdog kicking in. 'if you read this register, it enables watchdog mode' | 15:20 |
| tbr | which would be some sort of kernel bug | 15:20 |
| tbr | or a side effect of the PM chip being convoluted | 15:20 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: did you check upstream or vendor for newer kernels and diff them? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | probably not a bad idea | 15:21 |
| tbr | if it would be QC, then probably code-aurora | 15:21 |
| tbr | vendor-kernel-rant: fixes never seem to propagate where you would need them | 15:23 |
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| zenvoid | hi Stskeeps, how is everything going? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: good good, happy to finally have the mer mobile out :P | 15:23 |
| zenvoid | wow, I've missed it | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfAixpkzcBQ | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I assume tehre is no datasheet for said controller? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: well, i wouldn't know how to read one if there was | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: If you find one, I could answer questions. | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | but it's fairly reasonable to think that an irq of vsense_thr would signal that voltage isn't happy.. i think | 15:26 |
| tbr | asking google for "PM8921 datasheet" gives some results, but seeing that it is QC, it might be difficult | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it could reasonably set to interrupt every x - for example, it could fire every time charge changed by 10% | 15:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | My first guess would be that pm8921 is not a real part number. | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | nice, you can (ab)use alarm repeating to schedule alarms up to a week away | 15:29 |
| Yaniel | since if an alarm is set to repeat but on another weekday than today, it won't ring until that day | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | (not sure if that is intended but it appears to work that way) | 15:31 |
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| zenvoid | Stskeeps: is it your work table, the one in the video? :D | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Ignore comment about part number | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | zenvoid: hehe no | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | zenvoid: mine looks much worse | 15:33 |
| zenvoid | XD | 15:34 |
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| zenvoid | congrats to everyone involved | 15:37 |
| zenvoid | I think I will spam my friends about it ;) | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | it's mer + nemo middleware + qt5 + wayland + hw adaptation layer that uses android hw adaptation (so yeah, there's blobs) + sailfish ui on top; and with next update we should have our innocence back and a proper open device :P | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | sailfish ui sadly being closed atm, but replaceable | 15:38 |
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| sremes | what kind of read/write speeds are you getting with sd cards? I'm running http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/ to test whether my sd card off ebay is fake or not, getting ~2 MB/s (on Jolla) | 15:41 |
| Morpog_PC | sremes, I got about 5 MB/s over USB SSH write speed | 15:44 |
| Morpog_PC | but device is limiting there | 15:44 |
| sremes | perhaps that 2 MB/s is not suspiciously low then, since that F3 is doing some stuff to ensure that files are really being written on the device | 15:46 |
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| attah | hmm.. i have a high quality supposedly 600x sdcard.. it also showed 2MB/s on scp | 15:48 |
| Venemo | sremes: when copying files to a class10 kingston (card plugged in to laptop via adapter), I got varying speed between 3 MB/s and 10 MB/s | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: So - context is what - you're screwing with stuff - this interrupt fires, and 6 minutes later reboot? | 15:48 |
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| attah | lol.. put the phone upside down and got 4 MB/s | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: my first thought is something like: pm_chg_ibatsafe_set in https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-msm-mako-3.4-jb-mr1/drivers/power/pm8921-charger.c has been used. | 15:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: This sets a threshold. (or a default value exists) - and then that interrupt firing is nothing more than teh chip alerting that that value has been reached. | 15:51 |
| Pnuu | attah: normal, I used to get on or two bars better reception when shaking my old nokia upside down ;-D | 15:51 |
| Pnuu | gravity-assisted signal enhancement | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Other things I've read indicate all readback of values from the 8921 happen as interrupts - which is odd. The code I have found ignores that value, just prints that it got the interrupt, and does not further service it in any way | 15:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Were you moving the device during that time? | 15:53 |
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| Milo- | is together.jolla.com currently hosted by a N900 running lighttpd, or how come it's running very slowly today? :P | 16:30 |
| FIQ | nah, N900 can do better than that | 16:31 |
| Milo- | when maemo.org was hosted by n900, the experience was roughly the same as this :) | 16:31 |
| Milo- | maybe I should say "hosted on n900" instead of "by n900"... | 16:31 |
| FIQ | was maemo.org ever hosted by an N900...? | 16:31 |
| FIQ | *on an | 16:32 |
| FIQ | pretty sure it would get DDoSed by minutes, that poor thing | 16:32 |
| Milo- | some part of maemo.org was hosted on a N900 as a proof of concept :P | 16:32 |
| FIQ | *in | 16:32 |
| FIQ | ah, heh | 16:32 |
| FIQ | interesting | 16:32 |
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| clau | what do you know... there's already a new browser for Sailfish: https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/webcat | 16:46 |
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| Milo- | and it supports landscape! | 16:48 |
| Pnuu | I think that needs to be tested | 16:49 |
| spider-mario | the store is acting very strangely on my phone | 16:50 |
| spider-mario | it will randomly lock the screen | 16:51 |
| spider-mario | then, when I wake the device up, I am taken to the store instead of the lock screen (which I can access via a side swipe) | 16:51 |
| Milo- | that browser looks interesting | 16:51 |
| spider-mario | also, when showing app categories, it says “nternet” and “ocation and avigation” | 16:52 |
| spider-mario | instead of “Internet” and “Location and Navigation” | 16:52 |
| Waitee | weird | 16:52 |
| spider-mario | I’ll see if a reboot fixes the problem | 16:53 |
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| Milo- | oh dear me.. there is one cpp file in the whole webcat code base... everything else is qml ._· | 16:55 |
| Milo- | didn't know coding could be that simple. | 16:56 |
| clau | :) | 16:56 |
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| clau | then again, if you think that webkit is behind it, you realize lots of work went into it. | 16:57 |
| Milo- | true | 16:57 |
| spider-mario | well, at least it shows Internet and “Location and Navigation” again now | 16:57 |
| clau | anyone knows the author? | 16:57 |
| Milo- | but considering how little the author had to do to utilize webkit.. now that's incredible :) | 16:57 |
| Pnuu | yay, no need for android-ff | 16:58 |
| spider-mario | has anyone noticed the typo in “Accesibility”, in the Store? | 16:58 |
| clau | Milo-, that's true :) | 16:58 |
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| spider-mario | also, the only application in that category is for reading cocktail recipes | 16:58 |
| clau | Milo-, at least the code review is probably quite simple, as long as you trust webkit. | 16:58 |
| spider-mario | I’m not sure this is the appropriate category. :) | 16:58 |
| Milo- | yeah | 16:58 |
| clau | it has that nice trick to jump to top/bottom that Tidings has too. | 17:00 |
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| Milo- | hopefully it gets approved for store soon enough :) | 17:01 |
| Waitee | hmm | 17:01 |
| clau | I hope so. | 17:01 |
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| tbr | Together seems to throw quite often: "An unhandled exception was thrown by the application." | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: i'm thinking of it happening when the app wants to go outside and have a little cry | 20:17 |
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| Bysmyyr | My Jolla is starting to get stuck after battery of wlandisconnect notifiction | 20:21 |
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| slate | same | 20:24 |
| slate | whole gui hangs for 2-3secs | 20:24 |
| Bysmyyr | slate: is there something already at together. | 20:25 |
| slate | was about to check / write but now you can do it :P | 20:25 |
| slate | I'm busy atm | 20:25 |
| Bysmyyr | slate: :P | 20:25 |
| Bysmyyr | can you also try to search before I write? | 20:27 |
| AL13N | anyone know how i can install tcpdump? i thought i saw someone use that, but even though i installed mer-tools, "pkcon install tcpdump" doesn't work | 20:28 |
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| AL13N | i also have some weird IPv6 dual stack problem | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | low battery is upower going crazy, we're on it | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | connectivity is a bit more fun | 20:31 |
| AL13N | it seems the IPv6 RA is done first, the DHCP follows, but the phone doesn't accept the lease, for some reason | 20:31 |
| AL13N | gonna try to see with tcpdump if it gets there, or if wifi is the problem | 20:31 |
| attah | AL13N: I can see it in pkcon.. but it can't install, or? | 20:31 |
| AL13N | (though i doubt) | 20:31 |
| AL13N | oh | 20:31 |
| slate | Stskeeps: okey | 20:32 |
| AL13N | attah: i'm new at this | 20:32 |
| AL13N | attah: how did you see it? | 20:32 |
| attah | pkcon search name tcpdump | 20:32 |
| AL13N | it said for me that it couldn't find it | 20:32 |
| slate | Stskeeps: nice to get fast feedback ;) | 20:32 |
| Bysmyyr | Stskeeps: so it is known problem? | 20:32 |
| AL13N | pkcon install tcpdump | 20:32 |
| attah | funky.. that fails | 20:33 |
| AL13N | also the store isn't available in IPv6 | 20:33 |
| AL13N | so it's annoying | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: yes but when it's fixed is more unclear. | 20:33 |
| attah | lol.. now it worked | 20:33 |
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| attah | my mac inserted some escape car that broke the cmd previously | 20:33 |
| tbr | tcpdump is probably in mer-tools | 20:34 |
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| Bysmyyr | Stskeeps: ok, no problem, when I go back to finland I do not need to use wlan anymore and battery goes up by charcing | 20:34 |
| attah | tbr: that's it | 20:35 |
| attah | tbr: but i forgot how to add repos.. surely you'll know? | 20:35 |
| Quu | Bysmyyr: what? you can charge the battery? | 20:35 |
| Quu | so i bought 30 batteries for nothing? | 20:35 |
| attah | ssu ar mer-tools | 20:35 |
| Bysmyyr | Quu: :D | 20:36 |
| attah | there we go AL13N | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: i would like to purchase your business idea | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | no more internal batteries, sell individual non-rechargeable mobile phone batteries | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
| Quu | but thats what apple does | 20:37 |
| slate | you can actually charge apple's mobile-devices also, but the adapters cost 30eur + | 20:42 |
| slate | ;D | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | mmmm koskenkorva | 20:44 |
| slate | The new 0,7l plastic bottle? | 20:45 |
| slate | its funny. | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, this is one i got back in 2009 by mord | 20:45 |
| Quu | vintage koskenkorva.. :D | 20:46 |
| Quu | could be oldest bottle around. | 20:46 |
| TemeV | I might also have some old koskenkorva bottle lying around somewhere | 20:46 |
| TemeV | it tastes so horrible that I really don't like drinking it | 20:47 |
| TemeV | I mean, because i always have better stuff in stock, there is no reason to drink the koskenkorva | 20:48 |
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| Quu | fair enough. | 20:49 |
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| mikma | oh, stskeeps is getting ready for codingmarathon | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, just preparing myself for a trip to .fi :P | 20:54 |
| mikma | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCh-v51CAAA9HuT.jpg | 20:54 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/XBdQ-rcf2Cc | 20:56 |
| AL13N | i did "ssu ar mer-tools" | 20:57 |
| attah | and? :) | 20:58 |
| AL13N | no, i mean, i had done that before trying pkcon install tcpdump | 21:04 |
| attah | oh.. and what does the search show? | 21:05 |
| AL13N | "pkcon search name tcpdump" didn't show anything | 21:06 |
| AL13N | maybe i need refresh | 21:06 |
| AL13N | hmm | 21:07 |
| AL13N | ah | 21:07 |
| AL13N | DNS | 21:07 |
| AL13N | anyone know how to set DNS in connman? | 21:08 |
| AL13N | is it running a dnsmasq or something? | 21:08 |
| AL13N | it refers to 127.0.0.1 | 21:08 |
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| AL13N | ah, connmand can do that too | 21:10 |
| attah | i wonder what's in the honeybadger repo :P | 21:10 |
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| TemeV | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI | 21:11 |
| AL13N | hmm, adding dns to /etc/resolv.conf doesn't work | 21:11 |
| pahartik | AL13N: "/usr/lib/connman/test/set-nameservers" | 21:12 |
| AL13N | ok, pkcon refresh is running | 21:14 |
| AL13N | pahartik: thanks! | 21:14 |
| AL13N | i think i'll need to see some connman indepth stuff | 21:14 |
| AL13N | possibly this ipv6 dual stack issue is connman's problem anyway | 21:14 |
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| AL13N | ah, now i have tcpdump :-) | 21:15 |
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| AL13N | now, on to the real problem | 21:15 |
| AL13N | hmm | 21:18 |
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| AL13N | i've seen this issue before | 21:25 |
| AL13N | devices sends alot of DHCP requests | 21:25 |
| AL13N | no replies visible | 21:25 |
| AL13N | the server end sees 1 DHCP request, but double | 21:26 |
| AL13N | plus one reply from server | 21:26 |
| AL13N | this is a bridge loop somewhere | 21:26 |
| AL13N | iow: the mac comes from different ports | 21:26 |
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| AL13N | and thus becomes blocked | 21:26 |
| AL13N | "learnt wrong" | 21:26 |
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| AL13N | er | 21:36 |
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| AL13N | am i still here? | 21:36 |
| stephg | nope | 21:36 |
| AL13N | ok then :-) | 21:36 |
| stephg | :) | 21:36 |
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| attah | sailfishos seems to have taken a break.. i fail at imports (or callng a slot)... when i import as the qml doesn't load and app is white | 21:46 |
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| attah | and when i call backend.ping() after import harbour.coverart.backend 1.0, "qDebug() << "lolol";" duesn't print anything.. if it's even triggered | 21:48 |
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| AL13N | ok, i fixed the network issue | 22:08 |
| AL13N | :-( | 22:08 |
| AL13N | it was on my end | 22:09 |
| AL13N | it appears my wifi having dual band is sending it back via the second band back in | 22:09 |
| AL13N | how this is possible with the one being 2.4GHz and the other 5GHz is beyond me... but, it is | 22:09 |
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| AL13N | iow: the DHCP layer 2 broadcast is being detected from the wrong end, thus blocking it :-( | 22:10 |
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| AL13N | i removed the 5GHz band from the bridge and it seems to work now :-( | 22:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Sounds extraordinarily broken, as even dual band clients don't listen to both bands simultaneously | 22:19 |
| AL13N | yes | 22:22 |
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| AL13N | maybe the openwrt internally sets up a link between both radios since both have a master mode on the same ssid | 22:23 |
| AL13N | and me putting both in the bridge duplicates the loop? | 22:23 |
| AL13N | i donno | 22:23 |
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| AL13N | btw: i succeeded in having the volume bar on at all times in notification area | 22:24 |
| AL13N | i have no idea how i did this | 22:24 |
| AL13N | but it's a bit annoying | 22:24 |
| AL13N | anyway | 22:26 |
| AL13N | phase 1 succeeded: playing music from NFS mount | 22:27 |
| AL13N | now phase 2: playing movies from NFS mount | 22:27 |
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| EYeA | Jolla )olla )LA yoh | 22:33 |
| EYeA | Any one used Croderus Whats app inde client for Jolla? | 22:35 |
| AL13N | hmm, not sure the indexer from gallery uses that folder | 22:35 |
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| attah | AL13N: i remember reading what is being indexed.. but my memory fails me.. what's the indexer called again? :P | 22:37 |
| attah | ah tracker | 22:38 |
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| attah | gsettings set org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files index-recursive-directories "['&DESKTOP', '&DOCUMENTS', '&DOWNLOAD', '&MUSIC', '&PICTURES', '&VIDEOS', '/run/user/$DEF_UID/media/sdcard']" | 22:40 |
| attah | AL13N: so i assume you can add your dir there | 22:40 |
| attah | (from /usr/bin/tracker-sd-indexing.sh) | 22:41 |
| AL13N | i mounted the nfs in ~nemo/Videos/server | 22:42 |
| AL13N | so it should be picked up | 22:42 |
| AL13N | though i donno if it can index ~1.2TB | 22:43 |
| AL13N | >_> | 22:43 |
| attah | sure sounds like it.. | 22:43 |
| attah | hehe.. smoketest ftw | 22:43 |
| AL13N | it seemed to have a little problem with delay with the 5000 songs i had mounted in Music/server | 22:44 |
| AL13N | but it came through | 22:44 |
| AL13N | the only problem is that wifi is a bit ... | 22:44 |
| attah | but do you have album art? ;) | 22:44 |
| AL13N | huh, donno, how do i know? | 22:44 |
| attah | well.. i mean.. does it show in the music player? | 22:45 |
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| AL13N | but, damn, i really want a remorse timer for accidentally closing apps | 22:45 |
| AL13N | meebo is really an awesome game though | 22:46 |
| AL13N | goddamn that shit is good | 22:46 |
| attah | is it not in the store? | 22:47 |
| attah | Ah.. Heebo ^^ | 22:48 |
| Quu | yeah, its awesome | 22:48 |
| attah | haha ZÖMG <3 | 22:53 |
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| AL13N | yeah, Heebo | 22:56 |
| AL13N | addictive | 22:56 |
| Quu | that Heebo is pretty odd dude. | 22:56 |
| AL13N | right, now CACert | 22:57 |
| attah | Still not 100% on the objective though.. i think i cleared lvl1 with one non-gold square | 22:58 |
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| Eztran | Nah, it's definitely to make all squares gold, as with like 99% of Bejeweled-clones. | 23:02 |
| attah | Hmm.. that's what i thought.. oh well, maybe it didn't dhow it happening before i got to the next level | 23:03 |
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| flux | nice, again my phone forgot how to sleep | 23:06 |
| flux | I wonder if it affects that it's on an aluminum plate (face up though), could it be getting some touch signals.. | 23:06 |
| attah | flux: saw someone restarting aliendalvik as a fix.. | 23:07 |
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| attah | bah.. now it happened again on lvl4.. for sure this time | 23:13 |
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| Eztran | attah: did you finish with a 4 or 5-in-a-row combo elsewhere? That can cause other tiles to go gold. | 23:23 |
| attah | Eztran: perhaps unintentionally :) Thanks for clearing that up | 23:24 |
| Eztran | A 4 changes one under that colour elsewhere, 5 changes 2, etc... it's the only way to hit some later. | 23:25 |
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| AL13N | ok, finally i have > 1000 Videos | 23:36 |
| AL13N | trying to play one | 23:36 |
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| AL13N | i got sound, no video, even though it was able to get a screenshot | 23:37 |
| AL13N | thumbnail | 23:37 |
| AL13N | odd, but well gallery isn't really a movie player | 23:37 |
| AL13N | need a real one | 23:37 |
| attah | that browser guy.. didn't he have one? | 23:37 |
| Venemo | I guess someone just has to compile those bad / ugly gstreamer plugins for the jolla | 23:39 |
| AL13N | this is a codec issue, but otoh, if tracker is able to generate a thumbnail... it should be able to play the video too... | 23:39 |
| AL13N | still | 23:39 |
| AL13N | something that'll likely be done later | 23:40 |
| AL13N | all this drains battery though | 23:40 |
| Venemo | not necessarily | 23:41 |
| Venemo | I mean, the thumbnail doesn't really mean anything, IMO | 23:41 |
| AL13N | unless there's an embedded thumbnail inside the movie, the thumbnail is generated from the movie itself | 23:42 |
| AL13N | which means it can see the frames and thus have the codec | 23:42 |
| Venemo | it is a tricky thing | 23:43 |
| Venemo | eg. it could extract album cover from my .wma files but can't play them | 23:43 |
| AL13N | exactly | 23:43 |
| AL13N | if it's embedded only | 23:43 |
| AL13N | i wonder if mer-tools has ffmpeg | 23:43 |
| AL13N | maybe i could use ffplay | 23:44 |
| AL13N | btw: anyone else oddly succeeded in having the volume bar visible at all times? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | it's installed on the device for me: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl | 23:44 |
| AL13N | also, playing movie did pause my music, which is great | 23:44 |
| AL13N | Venemo: that's only the gstreamer library | 23:45 |
| faenil | maybe it's 2 different libs doing thumbnails and playing the video? ;) | 23:46 |
| Venemo | faenil: do you think porting the gstreamer-plugins-(good|bad|ugly) packages would be of any use on the jolla? | 23:47 |
| faenil | no idea, could be | 23:48 |
| attah | Venemo: I'd like it.. enables apps that use HLS, e.g. svtplay.se | 23:49 |
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| Venemo | yes, I have all gstreamer packages on my laptop | 23:51 |
| Venemo | it can play basically everything | 23:51 |
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| Elleo | Venemo: there are more comprehensive gst packages available via openrepos | 23:51 |
| Elleo | along with the various other supporting libs | 23:51 |
| Venemo | Elleo: really | 23:52 |
| Venemo | wow | 23:52 |
| Elleo | Venemo: https://openrepos.net/content/xerxes2/ultimate-codec-support | 23:52 |
| Elleo | be sure to enable the sailfish_lib repo as well | 23:52 |
| Venemo | how do I do that? | 23:52 |
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| Elleo | easiest way would be to use the warehouse client | 23:53 |
| Venemo | can that be downloaded from the store? | 23:53 |
| Elleo | then find the gst-plugins-ugly package, click enable repository, then install the ultimate codec package to get everything | 23:54 |
| Elleo | Venemo: no, but you can get it here: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse | 23:54 |
| Venemo | oh | 23:54 |
| Venemo | they are called gst-plugins-* and not gstreamer-plugins-* | 23:54 |
| Venemo | they are in the default repos... | 23:55 |
| Elleo | those are the jolla versions, which don't have as many plugins compiled | 23:55 |
| Elleo | you want to find the package in warehouse, not in the store | 23:56 |
| Elleo | just so you can enable the sailfish_lib repos easily | 23:56 |
| Venemo | I would use the jolla versions, before breaking my device with a random whatever repo app | 23:56 |
| Elleo | then getting the ultimate codec pack will pull in all the various plugins, like bad-extra, ffmpeg, etc. | 23:56 |
| Elleo | your choice, you just said you wanted more complete gstreamer plugins packages | 23:57 |
| Elleo | these are them | 23:57 |
| * tbr wonders what is the raison d'etre for openrepos and sailfish, aside from duplicating store and providing zero QA | 23:57 | |
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| Elleo | tbr: well it allows for things that the store refuses (like more omprehensive community provided media codecs) | 23:58 |
| Elleo | perhaps you should consider it like maemo's extras-devel | 23:58 |
| Elleo | somewhere for developers and advanced users to test new stuff out | 23:59 |
| tbr | Elleo: it claims it is there because COBS went away, but COBS was only for meego. for Sailfish there is mer obs and a sailfish target | 23:59 |
| Quu | tbr: beta/alpha apps also, testing updates before pushing them to store | 23:59 |
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| Elleo | tbr: most developers won't use the COBS though, they'll use the SDK | 23:59 |
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