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| pdanek1 | Why do I have feeling that all of those native apps are somehow better than Android apps on Android? | 00:16 |
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| pdanek1 | somehow more belonging to the OS :P | 00:17 |
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| pdanek1 | + better than native apps on N900 or N9 of course | 00:17 |
| Venemo | pdanek1: why? | 00:19 |
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| pdanek1 | I don't know | 00:20 |
| pdanek1 | a feeling :) | 00:20 |
| pdanek1 | from using it | 00:20 |
| Venemo | :) | 00:21 |
| Morpog_PC | i have a strange feeling, that this nokia android phone has swipe UI | 00:23 |
| Morpog_PC | http://www.mobilegeeks.de/nokia-normandy-so-sieht-das-interface-des-android-smartphones-aus/ | 00:23 |
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| Venemo | man, it's probably just a hoax | 00:25 |
| Morpog_PC | @evleaks hasn't done any hoaxes yet | 00:25 |
| Venemo | then simply weird | 00:27 |
| Venemo | hm | 00:28 |
| Venemo | anyway, good night :) | 00:28 |
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| Morpog_PC | n8 | 00:28 |
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| CraigA | hey how do i clear the dns cache from the jolla? | 00:39 |
| * pahartik does not quite understand why "Bluetooth PAN" fails with "Sailfish" even though it works with "Maemo" | 00:39 | |
| * pahartik has been trying for 5 days or so | 00:42 | |
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| Elleo | pahartik: are you running the hotspot app with bluetooth mode enabled? as far as I'm aware sailfish doesn't support bluetooth pan out of the box | 01:05 |
| Elleo | I could be mistaken though (I don't use bluetooth pan myself) | 01:06 |
| pahartik | Elleo: I use "/usr/lib/connman/test/enable-tethering bluetooth" to enable "Bluetooth PAN" profile on "Sailfish" | 01:12 |
| Elleo | can't really be of any more help than to suggest trying it with the tethering app in case that does something more | 01:13 |
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| pahartik | Elleo: Thank you | 01:18 |
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| pahartik | Elleo: So this "tethering app" does support Bluetooth? | 01:19 |
| HtheB | good night all | 01:21 |
| Elleo | pahartik: it has a button for bluetooth, whether or not it works I don't know ;) | 01:22 |
| Elleo | pahartik: it's available in the store | 01:24 |
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| tehdely | fingerterm+screen+irssi+jolla+mifi(cause i'm in the us) = bliss | 01:30 |
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| CraigA | any other Canadian users yet? | 01:32 |
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| special | CraigA: afaik we don't have any canadian employees either. You might have the only one in the country :p | 01:38 |
| CraigA | :D | 01:38 |
| tehdely | man, if Ionly had Google Glass, I could take a picture of me using my Jolla on this SF bus ;) | 01:38 |
| CraigA | I'm patiently waiting for the LTE update as my wireless provider supports 2600 band 7 | 01:39 |
| CraigA | I've been stuck on 2G since I got the phone :/ | 01:39 |
| tehdely | I sure hope I'm the only one in my city | 01:39 |
| tehdely | LTE update will not benefit me, but I`m getting by by tethering | 01:40 |
| special | tehdely: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/01/t-mobile-ceo-this-industry-blows-biggest-carriers-offer-horsesh/ | 01:40 |
| CraigA | I filmed my friend (on his phone) going around in the local chinatown market asking for covers for the Jolla. The reactions were hilarious | 01:41 |
| tehdely | my main complaint with 2G is AT&T voice majorly sucks on GSM. always has | 01:41 |
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| tehdely | haha, nice CraigA | 01:42 |
| CraigA | Funnily enough, he dropped his phone on the way out to the car and cracked his screen (I gave him my N9 to use for now). If I can get the video I'll post it | 01:42 |
| tehdely | special: years ago i switched from tmo to at&t because they'd refarmed a lot of their GSM capacity for 3G, and coverage on my (imported, 2g-only in the states) phone really suffered | 01:44 |
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| tehdely | seeing asthat was 2007 and I'm now in the same situation, i doubt going back would be a good move | 01:45 |
| CraigA | tehdely I hear ya on that front. I've always gotten the short end of the stick because I always import my phones and get the short end of the stick | 01:45 |
| tehdely | ditto | 01:45 |
| CraigA | Mind you, I had it pretty good with my N9, since I was on WIND (one of Canada's new providers) and had an absolutely amazing plan. I had to drop it last month when I got my Jolla tho (AWS 1700/2100 not supported) | 01:45 |
| CraigA | but I was paying $40/mo for Unlimited NA calling, Unlimited Global Text, Unlimited Data, + all call features (voicemail, call id, etc) | 01:46 |
| tehdely | my N9 was smooth sailing here, too | 01:46 |
| tehdely | pentaband UMTS = 3G everywhere | 01:46 |
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| CraigA | yeah, it was nice that I didn't have to switch providers when I jumped from my N900 to the N9 | 01:47 |
| tehdely | love that phone. i may keep it as a spare, but it desperately needs a new battery | 01:47 |
| tehdely | this Jolla is very Beta, and coverage sux, but it's basically the phone i've always wanted. i really hope it is a success | 01:48 |
| CraigA | I really miss having a hw keyboard though. I find it hard to use a "hacker phone" to its potential with a touchscreen terminal | 01:48 |
| tehdely | ditto. wish they'd actually sold the n950 | 01:49 |
| CraigA | that would have been amazing | 01:49 |
| tehdely | let's hope for a keyboard TOH | 01:49 |
| CraigA | I don't have a single complaint about my Jolla yet. I can deal with the slow speeds right now for 2G (hopefully won't have to for much longer), but I really enjoy the Android app support, and I have already installed more native software than I ever did on the N9 | 01:50 |
| tehdely | i'm not actually bemoaning the lack of a case for the Jolla, btw. plastic feels pretty sturdy. phone is so angular I feel like it's more apt to scratch something than be scratched | 01:51 |
| tehdely | i wouldn't say i have xomplaints. more like wishes | 01:51 |
| tehdely | HERE Drive, landscape browser, 3G/4G support, voicemail notifications | 01:52 |
| tehdely | there's the list :) | 01:52 |
| CraigA | I agree. I'm probably going to pick up a leather case for some other phone just to slide this in to for now. I dropped the phone for the first time last week, luckily it was on thick carpet | 01:52 |
| CraigA | 2 of those i can see coming for sure | 01:53 |
| special | tehdely: damn, one of those is my area :p | 01:53 |
| tehdely | i considered that. i had the white n9, w/ leather case, and it was always in that case - and i still managed to chip off a corner | 01:54 |
| tehdely | but that white lacquer coating was bound to be fragile. jolla is matte, and you can always replace TOH | 01:55 |
| tehdely | special: dare I ask which? :) | 01:56 |
| special | voicemail notifications fall under the things I usually work with; there's actually some kind of partial support for some kinds of notifications. | 01:57 |
| tehdely | i just need support for the standard carrier ones, which seem to be delivered by some kind of magic sms | 01:59 |
| special | there are about as many ways to notify on voicemail as there are carriers | 01:59 |
| tehdely | well I just need whatever AT&T supports. you can wprry about the rest later ;) | 02:00 |
| CraigA | luckily my provider texts me when I miss a call anyways | 02:01 |
| tehdely | ok dinner time. happy sailing, all | 02:02 |
| CraigA | cheers | 02:02 |
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| pahartik | Elleo: Now, that "harbour-tethering-gui-0.2.7-1.armv7hl" certainly helped | 02:10 |
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| pahartik | Elleo: I think it would be interesting to know what was missing before, maybe that application sets "connmand" to some "state" | 02:16 |
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| Elleo | pahartik: the source is on github if you want to see what it's doing https://github.com/jlehtoranta/harbour-tethering-gui/ | 02:19 |
| pahartik | Elleo: Source acknowledged | 02:21 |
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| CraigA | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 02:36 |
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| tabasko | where jolla makes backups? I try to restart factory settings to get calendar work.. | 05:55 |
| Stskeeps | /home/nemo/.vault | 05:58 |
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| tabasko | Stskeeps: thanks! | 06:03 |
| tabasko | I copy that to sdcard and recover it after fac reset | 06:04 |
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| tabasko | heh, copying /home/nemo/.vault back didnt bring my backups after fac restore :D | 07:15 |
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| tigeli | tabasko: you should have tarballed it.. plain copying is not good | 07:20 |
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| tabasko | tigeli: yeah. Maybe next time :) | 07:20 |
| tabasko | tigeli: you think permissions messed up after copying it to fat= | 07:21 |
| tabasko | ? | 07:21 |
| Yaniel | permissions, symlinks | 07:22 |
| tabasko | yeah, dummy me | 07:24 |
| tabasko | should have formatted sdcard as btrfs :P | 07:24 |
| Kiranos_ | can the phone format the sdcard from the phone, it should right? | 07:27 |
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| dist | Does Jolla have USB OTG? | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 08:05 |
| Pnuu | dist: see: https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/ | 08:05 |
| AL13N_work | dist: usb host mode might still be possible | 08:06 |
| dist | Pnuu: Hmm, that might be ok too! Thanks. | 08:06 |
| dist | Is the I2C support working currently? (as in can I slap up my i2c devices on the back) | 08:08 |
| Pnuu | the specification for the other half is coming soon(tm) | 08:08 |
| Pnuu | but some people have already added things to I2C | 08:09 |
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| dist | Ok. I'll try that then. =) | 08:11 |
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| Pnuu | dist: https://together.jolla.com/question/7245/another-other-half-idea-oled-display/ | 08:16 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: isn't .vault a bit sensible ? i.e. how to be sure no apps is using it when restoring the backup ? | 09:25 |
| Tofe | ah no wait, .vault *is* the backup | 09:26 |
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| chem|st | Kiranos_: cmd yes gui no | 10:11 |
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| ottulo | uh, just had the non-responsive screen problem when receiving a call | 10:15 |
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| AL13N_work | ottulo: how did people solve this? | 10:19 |
| AL13N_work | or is this due to masking tohd.service? | 10:19 |
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| tachikoma | mh, btw - disabling tohd - is it enough to diable that service and reboot? | 10:23 |
| phdeswer | tachikoma: afaik you don't even need to reboot as long as it is stopped | 10:23 |
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| tachikoma | phdeswer: yes, i meant for permanent disabling | 10:23 |
| tachikoma | not that there is some weird process reenabling it againn at some point | 10:24 |
| phdeswer | systemd is insane, but not that insane afaik ;) | 10:24 |
| tachikoma | ok, thx | 10:24 |
| tachikoma | and yes - it's insane | 10:24 |
| ottulo | AL13N_work: I don't know if there is a solution, never encountered it before | 10:25 |
| tachikoma | master control program would have been a better name imho ;) | 10:25 |
| tachikoma | in case you don;t know whta i am refering to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Control_Program_%28Tron%29#Master_Control_Program | 10:25 |
| ottulo | tachikoma: there are two commands for tohd.service: one to stop it, another to disable it | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | ottulo: i know | 10:26 |
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| ottulo | well, that answers your question :) | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | there are 3 comments | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: there are more :) i even started it in the past! | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | stop | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | disable | 10:26 |
| AL13N_work | mask | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | no love for "start"? | 10:26 |
| tachikoma | ottulo: as said, i just never am sure about systemnd really doing what it sound like that it is doing | 10:27 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: I was talking about turning it off only, and I only saw 2 commands... maybe I'm just missing something | 10:27 |
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| chem|st | tachikoma: you do not reboot... | 10:27 |
| chem|st | this is no windows | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: yeah, like AL13N_work says, 3 | 10:27 |
| ottulo | I guess I only stopped + masked | 10:27 |
| tachikoma | no, i asked wrong, i wanted to know if it will also be disabled after a reboot | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i'm rebooting every time i change the sim card | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i meant 3 levels | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | there's also unmask, enable and start | 10:27 |
| AL13N_work | (and restart, reload, and others) | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | yup | 10:28 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: with "systemctl mask tohd.service" it gets symlinked to devNULL | 10:28 |
| chem|st | and therefor persists reboots | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | ah, k | 10:28 |
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| chem|st | a "stop" just stops it | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | i was just wondering what mask does | 10:28 |
| AL13N_work | that is, "disable" seems not enough, because another systemd services is requesting tohd.service to be on | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | AL13N_work: that was what i feared, so i need to mask it | 10:29 |
| tachikoma | thanks | 10:29 |
| chem|st | yw | 10:30 |
| chem|st | if it is fixed and not replaced anyways you need to unmask | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | did i already mention that i love my jphone? ;) | 10:32 |
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| ggabriel | tachikoma: maybe ;) not a fan of that name, even though apparently i made it up | 10:33 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: I don't think you're the only one | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: sadly, the first post in tmo with that name is mine | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | well, i don't really care, they could have called it shitphone and i still would have bought it ;) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: please tell me there is evidence of somebody else | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | it was a high caffeine day | 10:34 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: not everyone follows tmo | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | it wasn't my fault | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | lol | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: i know, but there is an intersection of folks | 10:34 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: here's one - although I don't use it | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | playing the blamegame :) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | too much pressure | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: i'm loving it too | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | i just need caldav to make it my main phone | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | i am wondering about building something like this: http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/PadFone/ | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: thanks, you make me feel at ease | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | if i get usb=> hdmi working it would be possible to build a mobile docking station shaped like a laptop | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | i'm unsure about tablets | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | i can't find them a good use case | 10:37 |
| tachikoma | surfing on the toilet. | 10:37 |
| tachikoma | the only use case i am aware of | 10:37 |
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| ottulo | wait for the next apple device and you can surf on the seas too! | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i use the phone for that | 10:38 |
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| ggabriel | ottulo: you mean... the iMat?! | 10:38 |
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| tachikoma | http://www.asus.com/media/global/products/Dk8e9bfQfAVwlAC3/zBOMjjyMDzLfRbql_500.jpg | 10:38 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: maybe - stay tuned! | 10:38 |
| tachikoma | better picture of what i got in mind | 10:38 |
| tachikoma | i don't want a tablet, but a laptop shaped 'docking station' which uses the phone as 'brain' | 10:39 |
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| tachikoma | so, nothing about tables here - having a tablet to plug the phone into just to have a bigger display makes no sense at all to me - i want teh bigger display + keyboard + battery | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: yeah, i can see how that'd be useful, then again, i prefer my own laptop which can have any OS i want | 10:41 |
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| chem|st | tachikoma: screensharing works OTA... I can even watch DVB-S on my tablet synced with my TV | 10:42 |
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| tachikoma | chem|st: that works for jolla already? | 10:46 |
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| Quu | Aard: hailait | 10:49 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, I will be testing a Jollamobile for the next days | 10:55 |
| wickwire | and I was asked to investigate the NFC cover mechanism | 10:56 |
| wickwire | I saw a video online with a cover that downloads and installs a theme and specific apps, for hockey | 10:56 |
| wickwire | is there documentation on this? | 10:56 |
| fk_lx | wickwire: to my knowledge there is no documentation yet | 10:57 |
| fk_lx | wickwire: some kind of cover making SDK/documentation is supposed to be released soon | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | wickwire: as far as i know, there are 2 backcovers (other halves) available: snow white and poppy red, the latter you get only with a limited edition jolla | 10:57 |
| wickwire | on how to modify the cover information (if possible) and set the trigger actions on the phone | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | and, like fk_lx says, no docs/api yet as to how to create your own | 10:57 |
| wickwire | oh ok | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | we kind of know that it's an rfid tag with a unique id, but there is no mechanism to upload your content to the store just yet | 10:58 |
| wickwire | ok... | 10:58 |
| wickwire | my idea would be to use the cover rfid to trigger the specific actions on the phone | 10:59 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: no the application is not available for it but in general it is possible (have it on my tablet - it is part of the samsung remote) | 10:59 |
| wickwire | specifically, download and install an app from aptoide | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | wickwire: yup, that's the general idea of the other half, just no docs/api yet | 10:59 |
| wickwire | and possibly load a custom theme | 10:59 |
| wickwire | ok ok | 10:59 |
| wickwire | when such documentation is available, will it be announced here as well? | 11:00 |
| tachikoma | chem|st: ah, ok - i just have no android device anymore and am not up to date on their features. It would require compression over air i assume | 11:00 |
| wickwire | I will try to get more data from the supplier we have | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure it will be announced... everywhere ;) | 11:00 |
| wickwire | here in portugal | 11:00 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: once in sync it works pretty good | 11:00 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: where they able to read anything from my radio log? | 11:01 |
| chem|st | were | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i wasn't off hand, didn't get in touch with our telephony guys | 11:01 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: what was the log command again - i mean to see logs? | 11:02 |
| tachikoma | i forgot | 11:02 |
| Turski | tachikoma: journalctl | 11:02 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ok | 11:02 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: was just wondering as it seems to be another bug unrelated to the sim issues - keep me posted pls | 11:03 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: merci | 11:03 |
| tachikoma | *note down* | 11:03 |
| chem|st | that tracker drives me mad | 11:06 |
| phdeswer | tachikoma: you probably want journalctl --all --no-pager | 11:06 |
| chem|st | what makes it loose the sdcard content? | 11:06 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: +1 | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | i have to recreate the symlink every time i mount the sd card | 11:08 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I do not unmount or anything | 11:09 |
| chem|st | just tracker behaves wierd starting to show random stuff and then lets everything disappear while the sdcard is still mounted and readable | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: :S admitedly, i haven't had the sd card mounted and indexed for a long time. i'll give it a go | 11:10 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: reminder: tracker is a userspace process | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i'm missing the point | 11:11 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: getting tracker to reindex will fail as root | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: oh, yeah, i never actually forced it [yet] | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | as i get the same effect by recreating the symlink in ~/Media | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | nb: i'm only indedxing a few music files | 11:13 |
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| ggabriel | as i failed miserably to get a 64GB sd card | 11:13 |
| chem|st | you need to be nemo and tracker-control -e and start the indexer .sh | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | ta, i'll give that a go too next time | 11:13 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I bought a 32GB uhs+1 plus samsung... those are fast as hell, magnetically shielded, cheap yada... and the 64GB are just to expensive... | 11:14 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: yup, sammy has cheap stuff, even the 64GB _used_ to be much cheaper than competition. sadly, i have a personal thing with sammy, so decided i'd never buy anything from them directly | 11:15 |
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| ballock | Is the bluetooth SIM access profile already supported? | 11:20 |
| ballock | I need to extend my cellular range in some, this seems a viable way, if it's supported (and if I find a cheap hw to put on the wall) | 11:21 |
| tbr | ooo, ballock :) | 11:21 |
| tbr | ballock: welcome, how's stuff going | 11:22 |
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| ballock | fine for now | 11:22 |
| ballock | hope you're good by now? post-apocalyptic? | 11:23 |
| tbr | I'm OK. Got back into stuff yesterday. Now ramping things up | 11:26 |
| tbr | just got a kanban board working :) | 11:26 |
| ballock | Very good :) | 11:27 |
| ballock | Back to my original question: any ideas on SAP/rSAP? | 11:27 |
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| ccha4 | hey, is there any bottom pulley menu in Launcher screen ? | 11:41 |
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| ccha4 | like on this page https://sailfishos.org/core-launcher-article.html | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: nope | 11:42 |
| ccha4 | did they remove it ? | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: if you had too many applications, it would take a while to get there... | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: it's a good question ;-) | 11:43 |
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| Tegu | or does it show up after certain number of pages? or something | 11:44 |
| ccha4 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c_BqnR_vAM <-- on this video at 1:40 | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | ah, Tegu may be right | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | what does it have? | 11:47 |
| skvark | does someone know how jolla reacts if there are 2 chargers connected, another to the usb an another to the back power pins? | 11:48 |
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| Tegu | ka boom | 11:48 |
| Tegu | (I don't know) | 11:48 |
| skvark | someone asked at tmo and I don't know either | 11:48 |
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| Jonni | skvark: back power pins are disabled when usb cable is connected. | 11:50 |
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| Jonni | (and yes, I've tested it with my wireless charger toh) | 11:51 |
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| skvark | Jonni: ok, thanks | 11:55 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: are you aware of this? https://together.jolla.com/question/2506/ui-is-not-responsive-at-low-battery-level-10/#post-id-12632 | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: yes, it has caused me a new hatred of certain technologies | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt caught it like a day ago | 12:15 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what technologies? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | upower. | 12:15 |
| Venemo | oh, ouch | 12:16 |
| Venemo | well, it sounds like a bug in upower | 12:16 |
| lbt | see this is why I should get to play with GLES more :) | 12:16 |
| lbt | oooh - shiney spinning things | 12:17 |
| Venemo | upower is also used in Fedora (running on my laptop) and I never saw anything similar when the laptop is in low-battery conditions | 12:17 |
| Milo- | "UPower - Don't worry... be happy!" | 12:17 |
| lbt | (they stop spinning when upower glitches and it makes me sad so I find the culprit and tell on it) | 12:17 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: btw, have you had the chance to ask around about yesterday's discussion? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, got a bad day | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | is on my whiteboard though | 12:19 |
| kor | anyone have an issue with swipes not working until like the 3rd or 4th attempt? | 12:19 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: ok, no problem :) sorry for your bad day | 12:21 |
| Venemo | btw, the battery in the jolla really has a temperament | 12:22 |
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| ggabriel | kor: sometimes, especially to see the event screen, i think there's a question about refining how sensitive swipes are | 12:24 |
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| Venemo | anyway, gotta go | 12:40 |
| Venemo | ttyl guys | 12:40 |
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| kor | ggabriel: okay | 12:49 |
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| Venemo_j | :) | 12:58 |
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| Venemo_j | hey Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 13:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey Venemo_j | 13:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is this IRC chatter for "j"olla ? :) | 13:01 |
| Venemo_j | Sfiet_Konstantin: what ambience is it that you use in the Friends screenshot? | 13:01 |
| Venemo_j | YES, _j is jolla ;) | 13:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_j: one of the default ones :) | 13:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the "storm" one | 13:02 |
| Venemo_j | ah | 13:02 |
| Yaniel | idea: show picture/ambience name in the gallery | 13:02 |
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| Venemo_j | Yaniel: it shows, but only if you favorite it | 13:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: ? | 13:03 |
| Yaniel | does? | 13:03 |
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| Venemo_j | Yaniel: yes but only if you favorite it | 13:04 |
| Venemo_j | Sfiet_Konstantin: is there any way to customize ambience colors? | 13:05 |
| Venemo_j | Sfiet_Konstantin: I love my awesome green ambience but I would like the glassy background in apps to be darker | 13:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_j: iirc yes, thp did some demo | 13:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_j: one sec | 13:06 |
| thp | Venemo_j: checkout gconf | 13:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_j: https://together.jolla.com/question/11949/black-and-white-ambiences/#post-id-12163 | 13:07 |
| Venemo_j | I love the green but there's too much of it on the screen now :) | 13:07 |
| Venemo_j | thx Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 13:07 |
| chem|st | how fun I just found the sweetspot of downswipe of gallery so reproducable that I was able to screenshot it... after restarting gallery it was gone... | 13:07 |
| Venemo_j | thp: you still usin' gconf?? :O | 13:08 |
| chem|st | picture shows like you did not lift the finger yet | 13:08 |
| thp | Venemo_j: it's going away.. but yeah, still atm | 13:09 |
| Venemo_j | chem|st: same is the case with the email app scrolling bug | 13:09 |
| chem|st | scrolling? border-top-down-close swipe is what I am talking about | 13:10 |
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| edgars | yo | 13:33 |
| Milo- | :q | 13:33 |
| edgars | when i finish a call, my TOH is vibrating | 13:34 |
| edgars | whats wrong there? | 13:34 |
| Trizt | you talk too much? ;) | 13:35 |
| edgars | nop | 13:36 |
| Trizt | or too loud :P | 13:36 |
| phdeswer | edgars: sure it is on good enough? Or maybe you squeeze so hard that the back lifts? | 13:36 |
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| Trizt | I can't say I have noticed any vibrations after call ended | 13:36 |
| phdeswer | edgars: but for that last one you probably need very solid climber hands or something | 13:37 |
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| edgars | u must press with finger | 13:37 |
| edgars | i | 13:38 |
| edgars | too bad, that there is only 1GB of ram | 13:38 |
| edgars | my device is swapping :/ | 13:38 |
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| ggabriel | edgars: mine is swapping too, but also some disk caching | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | it's still quite smooth though :) | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | i think the only application i can "complain" about is the email one, when trying to do multiple things at the same time. i suspect it's very keen sync'ing the imap mailbox | 13:41 |
| edgars | emm | 13:42 |
| edgars | mitakuuluu looks very suspicious | 13:42 |
| edgars | when im using it my battery is drained out much faster :/ | 13:42 |
| atlaz | well you could ask coderus about it on #sailfishos | 13:42 |
| atlaz | He's who made it | 13:43 |
| atlaz | #sailfis hos | 13:43 |
| edgars | ahh, he is on # | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | lipstick is using 21% of ram in my case, fwiw | 13:43 |
| edgars | lipstick? | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | yeah, the one that controls the screen etc | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | i'll check how much it uses after a reboot | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw some might be shared ram | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: it's cool if it's normal | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | i don't care too much anyway | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | my laptop has 16GB of RAM and still choses to swap 376KB :) | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | it's linux magic | 13:46 |
| w00t | ggabriel: can you get me a copy of /proc/$(pidof lipstick)/smaps ? | 13:46 |
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| sjtoik | hmmm. i found a wlan network jolla doesn't connect to. it's using PEAP (MSCHAPv2) for authentication | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | yep, that doesn't work with the current UI | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | but it's possible with developer mode afaik | 13:48 |
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| ggabriel | w00t: http://www.gagv.com.ar/lipstick.smaps.txt | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | w00t: (line in top) 992 nemo 20 0 434m 171m 147m S 0.3 21.1 30:24.94 lipstick | 13:49 |
| sjtoik | Nicd-: so you could hack around it? i'll have to read more about that protocol. | 13:49 |
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| w00t | ggabriel: what sort of uptime are you looking at, btw? | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | w00t: 13:50:23 up 3 days, load avg 0.97, 1.01, 1.10 | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | i'll shut it down soonish as i gotta swap sim cards | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | sjtoik: let me find you the link | 13:51 |
| sjtoik | Nicd-: cheers | 13:51 |
| fk_lx | w00t: hi | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: I usually have 3 - 5 gigabytes swap space used :( | 13:52 |
| w00t | fk_lx: hi | 13:52 |
| w00t | ggabriel: thanks | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | w00t: nw | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: laptop i'd guess :) | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | sjtoik: take a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399365&postcount=2186 | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | w00t: i assume you have the file and i can delete it, right? :) | 13:53 |
| w00t | ggabriel: yep | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: yes, 2 GB of memory and not upgradeable | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: understandable, my point is that even with huge ram, linux can still swap because it can | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | also now it decided to start dying on me, backlight keeps turning off and I have to powercycle it to get it back on | 13:54 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: hopefully you don't have to wait until next xmas to get a new one | 13:54 |
| * ggabriel gone for the afternoon, laters | 13:54 | |
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| Nicd- | ggabriel: I hope so too :P | 13:57 |
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| sremes | jolla-email always seems to have updates, that the store can't install | 14:03 |
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| Morpog_PC | sremes, uninstall jolla email and install it again | 14:04 |
| Trizt | sremes: seems the jolla store has been a bit fucked up after newyear, it's pushing out updates even when you have the latest version installed | 14:04 |
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| Trizt | jolla store seems to like to crash when wanting to list all applications | 14:05 |
| anacron | mine works just fine | 14:07 |
| sremes | after uninstalling and installing jolla-email, at least the store no longer seems to provide updates to it | 14:07 |
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| netzvieh | hmm when i have open the installed apps section and press long on an icon (so that it shows the x to uninstall it) the icon of an other app i installed today goes invisible (i can still tap it to launch the app, and the icon is back if i switch to an other app/start an app, but not from just swiping back to the homescreen) oO | 14:39 |
| Frye | is that by any chance android application icon? | 14:39 |
| netzvieh | nope native app | 14:39 |
| netzvieh | "File Browser" | 14:40 |
| Frye | Ok, I've only seen icons disappear from android apps. | 14:40 |
| Frye | Myself | 14:40 |
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| netzvieh | hmm just installed another app to see if its the last icon that disappears or the File Browser icon and its only the File Browser icon | 14:42 |
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| mikma | http://www.razerzone.com/nabu/developers | 15:01 |
| mikma | jollafy it :D | 15:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikma: wtf is this ? :O | 15:03 |
| mikma | sfiet_konstantin: see the notifications -tab | 15:04 |
| mikma | sfiet_konstantin: it's a smart wristband that works with iOS and Android | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikma: not bad | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | looks quite good | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | peh, why not just run sailfish on your arm.. | 15:05 |
| ln- | yet seems quite pointless | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: challenge accepted? | 15:05 |
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| mikma | i might actually buy one if it's not horribly expensive | 15:06 |
| mikma | stskeeps: jolla nabu | 15:06 |
| mikma | now if we start to think about that... what about the samsung watch and sailfish | 15:06 |
| mikma | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/35209/dnkhx/Samsung-Galaxy-Gear-alykello-musta | 15:07 |
| mikma | wooooow, 300e | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have one | 15:08 |
| Morpog_PC | with sailfishos on it? :D | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 15:08 |
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| mikma | aha! so that's planned | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | i just fool around | 15:09 |
| chem|st | can I have some ups on telling those UI destroyers down? https://together.jolla.com/question/691/extend-home-screen-to-left-or-right-if-running-apps-9/#post-id-12696 | 15:11 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: what about getting Metawatch to support Sailfish? At least you all worked at the same place once in the time ;) | 15:11 |
| Trizt | chem|st: I was more thinking of having the last row scrolleble left right, home screen still same size | 15:12 |
| chem|st | Trizt: you mean tha favourites? | 15:13 |
| chem|st | why scrolling favourit-bar when a swipe gives me my 24 favourites? | 15:13 |
| Trizt | the favourites should be the 6 first fix places, the 3 last should be a scroll bara (left to right) with all the other. I doubt many will have that many covers up, specially when daemon applications are allowed in the store | 15:14 |
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| chem|st | I also hate the scrolling settings bar, nothing less userfriendly then scrolling an icon bar on a device of 4.5" | 15:15 |
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| Trizt | chem|st: I guess we have to agree to disagree | 15:15 |
| chem|st | Trizt: I think of not breaking the design's intelligence | 15:16 |
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| Trizt | wouldn't it in that case continue to expand downwards? | 15:17 |
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| chem|st | what? | 15:18 |
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| Trizt | instead to expand sidewise as you sugested, it should to expand downwards to keep the design, shouldn't it? | 15:18 |
| chem|st | sidewise is impossible | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | you trigger coveractions sidewise | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | at least without breaking the side-from-sideborder | 15:20 |
| Trizt | extend-home-screen-to-left-or-right == sidewise | 15:20 |
| chem|st | is impossible | 15:20 |
| chem|st | if not breaking side-border-swipe | 15:20 |
| Trizt | you don't have to start in the border, you can start almost center and move sidewise to get the movement, so not impossible | 15:21 |
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| Trizt | works in applications, so why not in home screen? | 15:21 |
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| chem|st | Trizt: you trigger cover-actions! | 15:23 |
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| wickwire | Hi, how may I access jolla over ssh? | 15:24 |
| chem|st | when you need to look for an app without action on its cover to sideswipe all the intelligence of the UI is gone... | 15:24 |
| wickwire | I've just received my phone | 15:24 |
| Trizt | there is space between covers and you could add delay on the cover action, but anyway it's not what I would like to have | 15:24 |
| wickwire | I've checked developer mode | 15:24 |
| chem|st | wickwire: you need to activate dev mode and set a password on the very same page (DO NOT TRY TO LOGIN TO DEV-REPOS ON THAT PAGE!) | 15:24 |
| chem|st | wickwire: the password is your devel-su password as well as your user-password | 15:25 |
| chem|st | user is nemo | 15:25 |
| wickwire | ok I'll do that | 15:25 |
| chem|st | ssh nemo@deviceIP | 15:25 |
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| chem|st | wickwire: but better upgrade to newest version before you try to do anything | 15:26 |
| wickwire | ok | 15:26 |
| Trizt | wickwire: if you enable dev mode and then upgrade, there was some issues, I lost wifi coonectivity untill I disabled dev-mode and then reanabled it | 15:27 |
| chem|st | Trizt: exactly... if you need to look on the phone to do a swipe action apart of cover-actions there is something broken! | 15:27 |
| wickwire | Ok, I'm on SailfishOS 1.0.2.5 | 15:27 |
| wickwire | at the moment | 15:27 |
| chem|st | wickwire: that is newest | 15:28 |
| Trizt | wickwire: congrats no need to update | 15:28 |
| wickwire | cool! | 15:28 |
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| Trizt | think they did manually upgrade before shipping | 15:28 |
| chem|st | anyone an idea how I can login to m.here.com? | 15:28 |
| chem|st | it seems to not recognize that the nokia account is already logged in... | 15:29 |
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| Trizt | chem|st: login? why? noticed that my here uses imperial messurments, really stupid, just nutcases who still use thatand no way to configure it | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRqGQwFAWgE - the future of augmented reality. | 15:32 |
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| Trizt | Stskeeps: you know how to get here maps to use metric messurment instead of emperial? | 15:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | trizit, something about changing system locales on terminal | 15:35 |
| teve | https://together.jolla.com/question/836/nokia-here-unit-system-in-maps/ | 15:36 |
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| Trizt | thanks Morpog_PC and teve, fix that when I'm home | 15:38 |
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| kelvan | funny I set language to english(uk) and it shows en_us as lang in the terminal | 15:42 |
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| Trizt | :) cool, mine shos GB | 15:43 |
| Kiranos_ | might need to logout/login? | 15:43 |
| Trizt | if you opened the console before you changed, yes | 15:43 |
| kelvan | locale.conf shows en_GB | 15:44 |
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| chem|st | Trizt: browser here.com not sailfish-maps | 15:56 |
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| Trizt | okey, never thought of that, hmm should check if they have that missalignment with satelite photos and map. use the feedback and ask? ;) | 15:59 |
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| mfulz | how long does it take normally to get an answer to bug reports in tjc? | 16:00 |
| Gorith | Any knowledge about where to get my other half to get it flashed? | 16:00 |
| Gorith | obviously there is no stock rom available anywhere for public | 16:01 |
| Trizt | hmm seems here still have the same issue with missalignment with satelite photo and map, differs with ~100m | 16:01 |
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| stephg | mfulz depends on the bug | 16:17 |
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| artemma | Do many people have Jollas rebooting often? Mine rebooted like 5 times today | 16:19 |
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| PeperJohnny | artemma: Mine never did it on it's own | 16:19 |
| mfulz | :( | 16:19 |
| artemma | and something like that yesterday with a couple of reboot cycles (reboots again few seconds after start) | 16:19 |
| Waitee | i've rebooted the device manually thrice but it doesnt do it by itself | 16:19 |
| mfulz | mine did not even reboot once by itself | 16:20 |
| artemma | Somebody mentioned about SIM contact, but I was not listening carefully | 16:20 |
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| Waitee | on some units if you press on the other half on the place where sim card is it gets disconnected | 16:20 |
| artemma | last shutdown (I think it was shutdown, not reboot) was after I clicked View on a Map in a contact address. Device shut down a second after maps were shown | 16:20 |
| artemma | oh. Waitee: thanks for hint | 16:21 |
| Waitee | on my jolla it needs a hard press on a small spot on top of the sim card socket | 16:21 |
| mikma | also, Heebo is awesome. | 16:21 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | dont know but battery might be one reason too. | 16:21 |
| Waitee | the sim card disconnection shouldnt cause shutdowns or reboots though | 16:22 |
| * pahartik has uptime of 10 days for "Jolla Mobile", with SIM out and in few times as I was recently trying to figure out why "Bluetooth PAN" was not working until today | 16:22 | |
| artemma | oups, shut down again on Show on Map press. Maybe it's an unrelated bug. Could somebody else try Show address on map from contacts? | 16:22 |
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| teve | works for me. | 16:24 |
| PeperJohnny | for me too | 16:25 |
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| teve | artemma: could you pastebin /var/log/systemboot.log, stskeeps may be interested | 16:37 |
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| Gorith | my phone is in boot-loop and customer service told me to check if wlan is working and other generic questions | 16:39 |
| Gorith | asked | 16:39 |
| Quu | lol | 16:39 |
| Gorith | just want to know where to send or bring this :) | 16:40 |
| artemma | teve: I think it was a sincard, cleaned it a little with just a nail, reinserted and maps opened fine now | 16:40 |
| Quu | got new battery today, thanks to Aard and other guys :) | 16:40 |
| Quu | lets see if it affects anything | 16:40 |
| artemma | can paste log anyway | 16:40 |
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| * Aard hopes it does, otherwise you might need to come for a lengthier stay for investigation :) | 16:41 | |
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| Quu | Aard: thats fine for me, just dont have that much "freetime" on weekdays :) | 16:42 |
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| Quu | but will tell tomorrow if anything changed | 16:42 |
| Quu | now, movie time woo -> | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: did you do anything that might have caused it to go into a boot loop, such as editing /etc/fstab? | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | artemma: you had a uncontrolled shutdown, such as the device went off without warning or LED being red? | 16:44 |
| Gorith | Stskeeps: no, just tried entered the pin and it crashed and after that it is in the loop | 16:44 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: what version of the SW? | 16:45 |
| Gorith | just entered the pin, i mean | 16:45 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: yes, device went down. LED warning.. didn't notice | 16:45 |
| Gorith | what was it, newest official | 16:46 |
| Gorith | 1.2.x | 16:46 |
| Gorith | or something | 16:46 |
| artemma | can't paste logs as device fails to connect to lan.. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: got a linux machine? | 16:46 |
| artemma | wlan* | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: happened before? | 16:46 |
| Gorith | but I think it might have something to do with the case that I took pictures about hour before and it crashed | 16:46 |
| Gorith | Stskeeps: yep | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: recall your battery level before it died? | 16:47 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: happened today a couple of times, I think I've seen it before too. Usually it goes to reboot, but sometimes shuts down | 16:47 |
| Gorith | something like 89% | 16:47 |
| Gorith | but it was little before, but more than 80% anyway | 16:48 |
| artemma | okay, eventually it connected to wlan | 16:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: see release notes for 1.0.2.5 on together.jolla.com and try to access recovery menu and see what it says | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | when you try to factory reset | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | we're in next update(s) going to significantly improve that | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: if that fails, you need to take it to service | 16:54 |
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| Gorith | Stskeeps: aah, ok, I tried that but thought I see something else than Jolla logo when booting in recovery | 16:55 |
| Gorith | I'll try that, thanks | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | recovery will just show jolla logo | 16:55 |
| Gorith | yep, just realized, note to self, try read everything, not just first line :) | 16:56 |
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| Gorith | (or second in this case) | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: sorry about this issue, we're currently chasing it down quite intensively | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | and giving more tools so self-repair is easier | 16:57 |
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| Gorith | Stskeeps: that's ok, it is very understandable that there is still bugs | 17:00 |
| Gorith | but more tools part sounds good | 17:00 |
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| Gorith | Stskeeps: no success | 17:10 |
| Gorith | normal 'clean up done' -messages etc.. | 17:10 |
| Gorith | and then these lines | 17:10 |
| Gorith | Mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt | 17:10 |
| Gorith | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p28 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument | 17:10 |
| Gorith | [ERROR] Can't mount '/dev/mmcblk0p28' to '/mnt' | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Gorith: yup, service time for you :/ | 17:12 |
| Gorith | :( | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | Gorith: what city are you in, in finland? | 17:13 |
| Gorith | Tampere | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | how often did you have random shutdowns? | 17:14 |
| Gorith | these two was only what I have seen | 17:14 |
| mikma | time to visit pirkkala, lol | 17:15 |
| Gorith | also couple of times it asked sim card pin when phone was in my pocket, but not sure if it has really shutted down | 17:15 |
| Gorith | so, where the service is for preorder guys? | 17:16 |
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| Gorith | did not find info from website? | 17:16 |
| mikma | Optima Service | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | you'll have to go through care@jolla.com sadly, but state that your device is in a reboot loop, that your device shut off without warning or LED and you're on 1.0.2.5 | 17:17 |
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| Gorith | yep, I told them and they asked those generic questions, but I'll add these new details right now to the ticket | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | and that recovery menu indicates filesystem corruption | 17:19 |
| Gorith | yep, thanks anyway, this is a support I like, even I do not get it working :) | 17:19 |
| Gorith | just agreed to sell my s3 to my brothers girlfriend and two hours after this happened | 17:20 |
| Gorith | so I think I keep it a while | 17:20 |
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| vatte | I'm still having some unexpected shutdowns, but they have changed into "not-cold" ones | 17:37 |
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| vatte | systemboot.log has this kind of stuff: | 17:37 |
| vatte | 20140108_234026 Shutdown: Reason Unknown | 17:37 |
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| vatte | and more of these: | 17:38 |
| vatte | 20140109_154625 Shutdown: SW shutdown request | 17:38 |
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| vatte | any ideas what the cause might bee? Stskeeps ? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | see msg | 17:38 |
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| Andy80 | what the..... if you try to use the map and location is disabled it doesn't prompt you to enable it and it doesn't say it's disabled :/ | 17:42 |
| Andy80 | I wasted 20 minutes, rebooting etc... before discovering this | 17:43 |
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| Andy80 | and it's still not working... | 17:43 |
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| Jartza | yay! | 17:50 |
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| Jartza | anybody else has the problem that after upgrading to 1.0.2.5, phone offers the 1.0.2.5 update again, and again, and again... | 18:06 |
| Jartza | not quite often, but twice my jolla has now said "system update available", and it has been the same 1.0.2.5 as before | 18:07 |
| Pnuu | yes | 18:07 |
| Jartza | ok, so it's a known issue then :) | 18:07 |
| Jartza | another issue is pictures taken with camera & ambiences | 18:07 |
| Pnuu | yup, just a sec | 18:07 |
| Jartza | they seem to vanish sometimes :( | 18:07 |
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| Pnuu | Jartza: https://together.jolla.com/question/4033/has-your-device-stopped-booting-or-otherwise-malfunctioned-upgrading-from-1005-or-10112-to-1025/?answer=12156#post-id-12156 | 18:10 |
| mikma | how can i take a screenshot with jolla? | 18:10 |
| Pnuu | mikma: install screencapture program from store | 18:10 |
| Pnuu | there's atleast two | 18:10 |
| Pnuu | "screenshot" seems to be quite nice | 18:11 |
| mikma | pnuu: thanks buddy | 18:11 |
| Pnuu | np | 18:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | yay Qt 5.2 :) | 18:27 |
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| bara | Morpog_PC: update on the jolla? | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | nope | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | on nemomobile lipstick | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | which SailfishOS uses | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | so probably in a future update not too far away | 18:30 |
| bara | nice | 18:30 |
| Tofe | I guess testing that update will take some time, though; it's quite a central element | 18:31 |
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| mikma | http://kinky.fi/jolla/heebo.jpg \o/ | 18:31 |
| mikma | awesome game | 18:31 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm excited for Qt 5.2 as it has a new renderer which is ways faster | 18:32 |
| Tofe | Morpog_PC: it also brings some nice QML features, like singletons | 18:32 |
| Morpog_PC | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/02/new-scene-graph-renderer/ | 18:33 |
| mikma | anyone read any reviews saying that the browser is "slow"? | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC | dunno, I think it's kinda fast | 18:33 |
| mikma | i figured out the reason why it's so "slow", because it's a full browser, not a mobile version | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC | erm, it's not | 18:33 |
| mikma | try loading the finnish daily newspaper webpages over 3g and you'll see | 18:33 |
| mikma | 200 ads on non-mobile browser over 3g makes it think a bit | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC | if you consider it as "full browser", then chrome on adroid is also a full bowser | 18:34 |
| Tofe | I think the reason is that it doesn't show partial loading, at least much less than we're used to | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC | mikma, block ads ;) | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC | saves also bandwith | 18:34 |
| mikma | morpog_pc: maybe the critic makes chrome on android a full browser, but yet it gets detected as mobile | 18:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | mikma, that's just a useragent | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | I wish sailfish browser would be detected as desktop | 18:35 |
| Morpog_PC | sailfish browser also gets detected as mobile browser | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | so that I wouldn't get the retard version of webpages | 18:35 |
| Morpog_PC | ShadowJK, change it's UA | 18:35 |
| mikma | morpog_pc: yeap, and changing it is quite the hassle | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | Is tjc using CSS to convert itself to retarded on mobile browsers? | 18:36 |
| mikma | morpog_pc: also, blocking ads is a must, just waiting for some sort of app appearing into the store cause don't wanna update manually (lazy ;) | 18:36 |
| ShadowJK | because it's retard-mode even in opera and firefox set to desktop | 18:36 |
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| Morpog_PC | mikma, well, my hosts file on N9 is over a year old and still works OK | 18:36 |
| Morpog_PC | ShadowJK, maybe based on screen size | 18:37 |
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| mikma | morpog_pc: now that's nice to hear! :D | 18:37 |
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| mikma | not having to update every second day is a bonus | 18:37 |
| Morpog_PC | and my hosts file on on my Jolla pretty mich blocks everything ;) | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC | (ads) | 18:38 |
| attah | Any word on when we'll get LTE? Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkaeU-8b2jE | 18:38 |
| mikma | maybe i need to tune the hosts file to show my own pretty face instead of ads :D | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 18:39 |
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| mikma | morpog_pc: did you gather all the addresses you block by yourself or trusted someone else? | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC | I trusted someone else | 18:41 |
| mikma | related, mother of all ad-blocking: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1916098 | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC | or have you ever checked your filtering lists adblock plus? | 18:42 |
| mikma | yeah, the ones i used were marked as bad filters, slowing down the browser etc | 18:42 |
| mikma | so, i decided to use a better optimized version for abp | 18:42 |
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| mikma | uh oh, i'm not entirely sure is 13mb hosts file really best idea | 18:46 |
| mikma | 339300 lines | 18:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | sounds like alot of overhead | 18:48 |
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| doctorinserenity | Could someone confirm that Snapchat works with Alien Dalvik? | 18:50 |
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| mikma | korsi: wake up and close your irc please | 19:01 |
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| Yaniel | temporary +b anyone? | 19:02 |
| slate | knockout could do it ;) | 19:02 |
| Quu | /ignore #jollamobile join part quit | 19:02 |
| mikma | imo, not a good solution to ignore those events | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | seems stable now.. | 19:03 |
| slate | btw for finnish users, Nordea Android app installs now from guugl-play. Before it said uncompatible with your device. | 19:04 |
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| mikma | also, OP-Mobiili works too | 19:04 |
| Waitee | and pivo-lompakko | 19:04 |
| Waitee | i used an apkdownloader | 19:04 |
| Quu | saNpopankki (danske-whatever) works too | 19:04 |
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| mikma | waitee: downloaded it to my samsung and apkextractor :) -> http://kinky.fi/jolla/ | 19:05 |
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| Waitee | what a domain | 19:06 |
| Waitee | :D | 19:06 |
| mikma | hehe | 19:06 |
| mikma | didn't like mikma.eu and wanted something more funny. and bingo, it was free | 19:07 |
| Waitee | what's that gearbox software.borderloot.apk? | 19:07 |
| Waitee | i should go for wait.ee | 19:07 |
| slate | sounds like wow | 19:07 |
| mikma | it's Borderlands 2 "Loot the world" application | 19:07 |
| mikma | it's supposed to work only in USA | 19:07 |
| Waitee | oh | 19:07 |
| Waitee | never played that | 19:07 |
| mikma | you can scan QR-codes + normal linecodes and see what items you'll be able to get ingame | 19:08 |
| Waitee | okay | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | finally! :) https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/qtmozembed/commit/563173f5d9bc4a43fdc997744aef39a5500e8317 | 19:08 |
| Waitee | i've got that netbank already | 19:08 |
| mikma | interesting bit: that application works faster in jolla than it does in my SGS3mini | 19:08 |
| Waitee | lol nice | 19:08 |
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| slate | btw antutu gives 13k with jolla :p | 19:08 |
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| mikma | for some reason the camera wakes up faster in jolla | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | slateis taht fast or slow? | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | never used antutu | 19:09 |
| mikma | samsung galaxy s3 mini gets 9500-10050 | 19:09 |
| Waitee | i dont have anything with similiar specs to jolla for comparison | 19:09 |
| Waitee | my last phone before jolla has been htc wildfire | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | nice then | 19:10 |
| slate | Morpog_PC: nexus 4 gets 17k | 19:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | and is a quadcore | 19:10 |
| Morpog_PC | my sister got one | 19:10 |
| slate | had one before jolla | 19:10 |
| Waitee | 4 of my friends got n4 | 19:10 |
| Waitee | or five of them | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | well, it was a geeky price tip | 19:11 |
| slate | not too interested on benchmarks but gives some direction | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | like nexus 5 now | 19:11 |
| mikma | slate: why didn't you try ubuntu in the nexus 4? | 19:11 |
| Waitee | nexus 4 is priced 399 in finland | 19:11 |
| slate | mikma: had it for a month | 19:11 |
| slate | bought with 200eur | 19:11 |
| slate | sold 150 | 19:11 |
| mikma | slate: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Supported_devices_and_codenames :P | 19:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | Waitee, nexus 4 in germany was 199€ with 16GB in it's last days | 19:12 |
| Waitee | yeah | 19:12 |
| Waitee | well this is finland | 19:12 |
| Waitee | :D | 19:12 |
| mikma | the land of jolla | 19:12 |
| slate | old stock | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | at least your jolla was in germany as expansive as in fi ;) | 19:13 |
| Waitee | nexus 7 2013 version costs 270e the cheapest model | 19:13 |
| Waitee | and if you mine bitcoins in finland you have to pay taxes when you get the coins from mining | 19:13 |
| Waitee | and you have to pay taxes when you sell your bitcoins :D | 19:13 |
| mikma | that reminded me | 19:14 |
| mikma | http://geekologie.com/2014/01/tv-reporter-accidentally-unveils-bitcoin.php | 19:14 |
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| slate | owned | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 19:16 |
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| pawky | yes, i've got my Jolla, finally! :-D | 19:18 |
| mikma | pawky: yey! | 19:18 |
| pawky | but WFT, i can call with it, but it doesnt want to do a data connection?!!! | 19:18 |
| mikma | is the data connection on? | 19:19 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and correct settings | 19:19 |
| pawky | yes, but it then tells me it has "problems"... :-( | 19:19 |
| pawky | Problem with connection.... | 19:20 |
| pawky | I am assuming I can use, the same SIM as the one I used on my N9 (3g) | 19:20 |
| vatte | pawky: I had to type in "internet" in APN settings | 19:20 |
| vatte | seemed funny at the time | 19:20 |
| vatte | like playing larry | 19:21 |
| pawky | oh.. APN, of course.... | 19:21 |
| pawky | and I really don't get this GUI... | 19:21 |
| slate | Took me 2 days to get familiar with | 19:21 |
| pawky | I don't have 2 days.... :-( | 19:22 |
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| Quu | 2 days? D: | 19:22 |
| Quu | 2h is enough | 19:23 |
| pawky | developer mode on.... great! | 19:23 |
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| pawky | why does the Text input have this Chinese virtual keyboard, and the option fuxy pinyin?? I haven't choosen it.. | 19:25 |
| pawky | can you not choose two keyboards? | 19:26 |
| pawky | argh... I refuse to read the manual. Any tool needing a manual to understand has a bad human interface grr.... | 19:26 |
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| Quu | if you need manual, are you tool? | 19:27 |
| pawky | Quu, I think I just wrote the opposite... | 19:27 |
| Quu | "any tool needing a manual" ;) | 19:27 |
| pawky | well, can you choose several keyboard languages? | 19:28 |
| Quu | probably not | 19:28 |
| Eztran | Tried holding the space bar? Could be wrong, but sure I saw someone mention that. | 19:28 |
| pawky | aha! probably... maybe check in the manual, ehh? :-D | 19:28 |
| pawky | Extran, slowly working my way to try it... ;-) | 19:29 |
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| pawky | Eztran.... puhhh... yeah that worked :-) | 19:30 |
| pawky | its not obvious though, where to put in APN stuff... | 19:31 |
| ljp | had you gone through the tutorial you might have more of an idea that it could do such a thing | 19:32 |
| * pahartik spent few days before finding out how to change APN from "internet" to "prointernet" | 19:32 | |
| Morpog_PC | pawky you can change keyboard quickly with long press on space key | 19:32 |
| pawky | thank you :-D | 19:32 |
| Morpog_PC | damn i'm slow | 19:32 |
| pawky | this is going great :-D | 19:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | pawky, you will love it ;) | 19:32 |
| Morpog_PC | get warehouse for openrepos | 19:33 |
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| pawky | found APN stuff.. here we go!! | 19:33 |
| pawky | wait a minute... isn't APN stuff stored on the SIM card? shouldn't it have been transfered with the card? | 19:35 |
| Morpog_PC | should :) | 19:35 |
| ljp | not stored on sim card | 19:35 |
| netzvieh | was never stored on my sims | 19:35 |
| Morpog_PC | sure? | 19:36 |
| netzvieh | i usually get an special sms which sets the right settings | 19:36 |
| pawky | but its not reachable now on my N9 as there is no SIM... | 19:36 |
| Morpog_PC | pre save configuration mms | 19:36 |
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| Morpog_PC | just enter it manually | 19:36 |
| ljp | ofono provisions from a database with info form sim card. but sometimes that info is not correct | 19:36 |
| pawky | Morpog_PC I will, but it sucks a tiny bit though... | 19:37 |
| ljp | but the APN is not stored on sim | 19:37 |
| slate | true.story | 19:37 |
| pahartik | pawky: IMSI is stored on SIM | 19:37 |
| pawky | pahartik.... whatever that is..... ? | 19:38 |
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| pahartik | pawky: I refer to document at "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_mobile_subscriber_identity" | 19:39 |
| pawky | what on earth is that vibratting titty icon on the top left corner??? | 19:41 |
| netzvieh | probably an update you can install? | 19:42 |
| mikma | pawky: data connection | 19:42 |
| pawky | like a titt??? | 19:42 |
| pawky | shouldn't t be like a funnelor something? | 19:42 |
| netzvieh | or that :D dunno don't have a sim in mine yet | 19:42 |
| pahartik | pawky: And then there is database document at "/usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/serviceproviders.xml" on "Sailfish" | 19:43 |
| attah | I'd actually say APN *can be* stored on sim.. just let met get something to back that up | 19:43 |
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| pawky | attah, i believe it did in the old days... 2g | 19:44 |
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| attah | pawky: okay.. I work with 3g, and there is apn info in connection to the sim.. but i wasn't involved in those parts all that much.. so still checking | 19:46 |
| attah | Service n°35: APN Control List (ACL) | 19:47 |
| attah | i dunno.. but 31.102 seems to suggest it is at least possible | 19:48 |
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| pawky | just as I thought :-) | 19:48 |
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| pawky | aha! that Titty thing means system update.... is it like momy telling i need som new food or something? ;-) | 19:49 |
| netzvieh | I thought I said that :D | 19:50 |
| netzvieh | but no one's listening to me :( | 19:50 |
| pawky | netzvieh, missed it ;-) | 19:50 |
| netzvieh | haha ;) np | 19:50 |
| mikma | oh right, top left corner | 19:50 |
| mikma | that's for messages and such, sorry bout that | 19:50 |
| mikma | netzvieh: what? | 19:50 |
| pawky | shouldn't something happen when you chose update? | 19:51 |
| netzvieh | jeah you should get a pic of a ship | 19:51 |
| netzvieh | which is the progress bar | 19:51 |
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| mikma | is your os 1.0.2.5? | 19:51 |
| Tofe | what can I do about my jolla store which still says "waiting..." for the installs I've requested ? Any smooth way to request a reset or retry ? | 19:51 |
| pawky | well.. a vibrating tit, might be ... interesting as well, a first ever icon i presume ;-) | 19:52 |
| mikma | tofe: have you checked together.jolla.com? | 19:52 |
| Pnuu | "cover action" 8-) | 19:52 |
| pawky | wtf, why doesn't it update when you choose it to? | 19:53 |
| mikma | pawky: are you using sailfish 1.0.2.5? | 19:53 |
| pawky | update, update, update... grrrr | 19:53 |
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| Pnuu | pawky: do you select "update" from notification screen pulley menu? | 19:53 |
| pawky | Pnuu, hell yes! :-) | 19:53 |
| pawky | i mean, yes i do, but nothing happens.. | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | pawky: that updates the notification view ;-D | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | open store and update from there | 19:54 |
| mikma | tofe: https://together.jolla.com/question/3774/installed-apps-just-hang-on-waiting-in-jolla-store/?answer=8686#post-id-8686 | 19:54 |
| mikma | tofe: see the last comment | 19:54 |
| Tofe | mikma: yes, thanks, I was exactly on that one :) | 19:54 |
| netzvieh | pawky: sure it isn't? else try settings -> about product -> pulley check for update | 19:54 |
| mikma | pawky: and because you didn't answer, here: https://together.jolla.com/question/5184/1025-update-notifications-keep-re-appearing-although-update-already-installed/ | 19:55 |
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| pawky | mikma i am struggeling at best ;-) | 19:55 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | Anyone using sidudict app? I would like to know in which folder are the preinstalled wiktionary dictionaries stored? | 19:56 |
| pawky | I believe that Jolla party back in december must have been a quite quiet one, after everybody got their phones.... ;-) | 19:56 |
| netzvieh | or a loud one cause everyone needed help or cried look what i found :D | 19:57 |
| pawky | yes, got the APN stuff working :-D | 19:58 |
| pawky | mimka its 1.0.0.5 | 19:59 |
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| chem|st | pawky: don't play with i tuntil you updated to latest 1.0.2.5 | 20:00 |
| pawky | I am choosing update, but really, nothing happens... | 20:00 |
| mikma | pawky: then try the manual update -> settings -> system settings -> about product -> hold and down and select check for updates | 20:00 |
| Pnuu | pawky: please, read what we tell you | 20:00 |
| chem|st | pawky: where do you choose update | 20:00 |
| pawky | mimka, just what i did :-( | 20:00 |
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| pawky | mikma it just goes back to the about screen again... is it doing something hidden in the background? | 20:01 |
| mikma | pawky: then do what pnuu said :) | 20:01 |
| Pnuu | pawky: the updates are rather large, so it'll take quite long | 20:01 |
| pawky | Pnuu... ahaaa... that one update she notification thingy.... | 20:01 |
| pawky | Pnuu... ok, but it will show me its starting right? | 20:02 |
| chem|st | pawky: it will ask you to backup and the top bar there is actualy a progressbar | 20:02 |
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| pawky | chem|st... not mine... :-( | 20:02 |
| chem|st | pawky: be patient! | 20:02 |
| chem|st | are you connected via wifi? | 20:03 |
| pawky | chem|st... like.. how patient?... it is about-> pull down menu-> release on update... right? | 20:03 |
| chem|st | pawky: within the hour | 20:03 |
| pawky | chem|st, well thats fine, but it will tell me it starts right, and it doesn't say anything (yes i changed it to WIFI..) | 20:04 |
| chem|st | it will notify about present updates | 20:04 |
| chem|st | and will do nothing without your interaction | 20:04 |
| chem|st | you start the backup | 20:05 |
| chem|st | you start the download | 20:05 |
| pawky | it hasn't asked me to backup | 20:05 |
| chem|st | you start the installation | 20:05 |
| pawky | it just goes back to the about screen | 20:05 |
| chem|st | pawky: it will only ask you for backing up when there is actually an update available | 20:05 |
| pawky | and wifi is working | 20:06 |
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| slate | what version you on now pawky ? | 20:06 |
| chem|st | pawky: patient!!! | 20:06 |
| pawky | but my version is 1.0.0.5 and it tells me there is an update | 20:06 |
| slate | k | 20:06 |
| chem|st | pawky: start store app | 20:06 |
| pawky | chem|st, like an hour patient? | 20:06 |
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| pawky | before seing any sign of updating? | 20:06 |
| chem|st | yes! | 20:06 |
| chem|st | read my lines | 20:07 |
| Pnuu | pawky: do you have the developer mode enabled? | 20:07 |
| chem|st | noone else | 20:07 |
| pawky | yes :-) | 20:07 |
| pawky | first thing :-D | 20:07 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: slate stop confusing him!!! | 20:07 |
| Pnuu | pawky: then, in the terminal, check "pkmon" command if there's any background downloads happening | 20:07 |
| chem|st | or guide him step by step | 20:07 |
| Pnuu | because I had a similar situation | 20:07 |
| pawky | have to install the terminal first... | 20:08 |
| Pnuu | pawky: it's installed, if you have the dev mode enabled | 20:08 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: and don't tell him to do stuff like he knows his way - he obviously doesn't | 20:08 |
| chem|st | not helping | 20:08 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: that's why I'm giving simple steps | 20:08 |
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| Pnuu | but ok, I'll go back to organize my coins | 20:08 |
| pawky | Pnuu.. nope... | 20:08 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: look at pkmon is not simple steps | 20:09 |
| chem|st | pawky: are you at the store | 20:09 |
| pawky | well, i can use a terminal if need be... if you tell me what I need to do | 20:09 |
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| chem|st | pawky: ARE YOU AT THE STORE | 20:09 |
| pawky | nope | 20:09 |
| pawky | chem|st NOPE | 20:09 |
| chem|st | WHY NOT? | 20:09 |
| chem|st | stop doing 10 aproaches - do one at a time | 20:10 |
| pawky | well.. thought i had to do like with the N9... install developer stuff.. | 20:10 |
| pawky | och.... chem|st i follow your lead.. and if that will not work i ask Pnuu ok? | 20:10 |
| chem|st | pawky: we want to update everything before you do anything else! | 20:10 |
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| chem|st | go to store | 20:11 |
| pawky | chem|st sounds great to me :-) | 20:11 |
| pawky | i am.. | 20:11 |
| chem|st | pulley menu to My Apps | 20:11 |
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| pawky | duh.. store went away.. | 20:11 |
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| chem|st | happens | 20:11 |
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| chem|st | do it again | 20:11 |
| pawky | i am | 20:11 |
| pawky | went away | 20:11 |
| chem|st | do something else before you use the pulley | 20:12 |
| pawky | loading..... | 20:12 |
| pawky | gone | 20:12 |
| slate | reboot. | 20:12 |
| pawky | thats kind of interesting... | 20:12 |
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| chem|st | slate: shut up | 20:12 |
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| pawky | chem|ist not a good idea? | 20:12 |
| chem|st | rebooting nope | 20:12 |
| pawky | ok.. | 20:12 |
| pawky | (i am not rebooting) | 20:12 |
| chem|st | it is linux... the only reason you reboot is to change a kernel | 20:12 |
| slate | .. | 20:13 |
| pawky | chem|ist i've got an internet connection... | 20:13 |
| chem|st | or when forced by malfunctioning hardware | 20:13 |
| chem|st | pawky: how is the store doing | 20:13 |
| pawky | chem|ist.. i know... been working with it for like... 13 years | 20:13 |
| pawky | it just kills itself... | 20:13 |
| Pnuu | can I now paste a link re: store not working? | 20:14 |
| pawky | chem|ist (i believe kernel updates will need reboots at times... ;- ) ) | 20:14 |
| slate | chem|st: "its linux" so what, sometimes its the easiest fix. | 20:14 |
| pawky | Pnuu, i belive pasting a link here will do no harm :-) | 20:14 |
| chem|st | slate: it is the "I have no clue, reboot" approach instead of fixing the problem | 20:14 |
| bara | are there no log files to look at why the store crashed? | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-crashes-unable-to-update-system/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 20:15 |
| pawky | chem|st, i agree... i am NOT rebooting :-) | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | pawky: but do what chem|st says, first | 20:15 |
| slate | chem|st: great to have a retail-stage phone which you cant reboot. | 20:15 |
| slate | nerdish ;) | 20:15 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: so what people updated stuff before they updated and have crashed their services... | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | (btw, reboot is needed to activate the dev mode, and to get access to terminal) | 20:15 |
| slate | cant be, kernel is the same! | 20:16 |
| pawky | chem|st, I am following your commands, but there is no problem if you want me to reset the whole phone... | 20:16 |
| chem|st | slate: rebooting is the worst way on a mobile device, during boot there is no powermanagement so no powersaving | 20:17 |
| pawky | chem|st... any commands? :-) | 20:17 |
| slate | uhm.. | 20:17 |
| slate | :D | 20:17 |
| chem|st | pawky: have you upgraded anything yet? | 20:17 |
| chem|st | installed any updates? | 20:17 |
| pawky | well.. how would I be doing that exactly... the update button does nothing, and the store closes on me... maybe it is only open business hours... LOL | 20:17 |
| chem|st | hehe | 20:18 |
| mikma | chem|st: and...? | 20:18 |
| chem|st | mikma: what? | 20:18 |
| pawky | so, i cannot open store, and no update... | 20:18 |
| mikma | chem|st: why is that something we need to care about with reboots? | 20:18 |
| chem|st | mikma: booting is like 8h standby... | 20:18 |
| pawky | well, maybe this discussion needs a reboot... what am I to do? :-) | 20:19 |
| slate | oh hell. attitude. | 20:19 |
| chem|st | for older devices even more... | 20:19 |
| mikma | chem|st: i repeat, why should we care? | 20:19 |
| pawky | ok... can we make amense here, there is a jolla owner in trouble... hellooooo | 20:19 |
| pawky | :-) | 20:19 |
| mikma | my screen stays on after i start mitäkuuluu. should i start digging the problem with terminal when i can just reboot and have the problem go away | 20:20 |
| pawky | chem|ist... when you boot the phone it asks you if yo want to install some apps, this i did | 20:20 |
| chem|st | pawky: does the store come up and sit there or does it just close right after opening? | 20:20 |
| chem|st | pawky: that is fine | 20:20 |
| Pnuu | sounds like my link would be handy here.. | 20:20 |
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| Pnuu | but, back to coins | 20:21 |
| slate | mikma: killall ;) | 20:21 |
| pawky | it comes up.. tells me it is "loading..." and dies | 20:21 |
| pawky | slate:kill bill | 20:21 |
| mikma | slate: dd if=/dev/random of=.... | 20:21 |
| mikma | slate: fix'd, inna linux stylee | 20:21 |
| chem|st | mikma: you are using a beta device after a kickstarter and bluntly ask if you should help debugging... no you should not! | 20:21 |
| pawky | mikma: that might soon happen.... | 20:21 |
| slate | free bitcoins? | 20:21 |
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| pawky | Pnuu.... well... it seems chem|st is stuck fighting for the right to not reboot.... | 20:22 |
| chem|st | pawky: without terminal.... you either install dev-mode or just reboot and try again | 20:22 |
| pawky | aha!... so a reboot is ok? :-D | 20:23 |
| chem|st | pawky: I am not fighting for no reboot when you do not have dev-mode installed | 20:23 |
| pawky | Go go windows! :-D | 20:23 |
| chem|st | there is no way to fix this without terminal | 20:23 |
| pawky | chem|st, i am only joking a bit... | 20:23 |
| chem|st | pawky: exactly! | 20:23 |
| pawky | chem|st... but i will reboot now.. | 20:23 |
| chem|st | the rest of the story will be handled by slate and mikma | 20:23 |
| mikma | look who's bringing us up, yey | 20:24 |
| slate | I already got bored. | 20:24 |
| Pnuu | pawky: after reboot, try if the store works, if not, check my previous url | 20:24 |
| chem|st | slate: how many coins you have? | 20:24 |
| pawky | slate: oh noo.... | 20:24 |
| mikma | go kickstart the device instead of rebooting | 20:24 |
| slate | chem|st: Zero. | 20:24 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: you? | 20:24 |
| Pnuu | chem|st: 150 or so that need reorganization | 20:25 |
| pawky | chem|st, ok the store still seems to only work during working hours... should i go for Pnuu's ideas? or anybode else ? | 20:25 |
| pawky | or a super reset? | 20:25 |
| mikma | ONE MILLION DOLLARS! ~o_ | 20:25 |
| mikma | hard to ascii a pinkyfinger | 20:25 |
| pawky | well... i could go for a million dollars as well | 20:26 |
| netzvieh | pawky: try Pnuu's link | 20:26 |
| netzvieh | if it's not working try reset | 20:26 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: I have just some paperwallet... and a few coins live nothing to organize before it hits me desired point of interes | 20:26 |
| slate | pawky: If you superduper-reset, install the os update before any other update. | 20:26 |
| chem|st | t | 20:26 |
| netzvieh | and if thats not working try throwing it at your windows :) | 20:26 |
| chem|st | pawky: and skip the wizard | 20:27 |
| pawky | what do you think guys.... will a super reset be the quickest way out of this mess? | 20:27 |
| chem|st | pawky: well the installation and stuff | 20:27 |
| pawky | i will look for the terminal.. | 20:27 |
| chem|st | pawky: probably not... the quickest way is probably to install dev-mode and update by hand | 20:27 |
| pawky | enabling developer mode... (weird thought i had done it) | 20:28 |
| pawky | done.. | 20:28 |
| chem|st | pawky: yeah upgrade by hand | 20:28 |
| pawky | working on it :-) | 20:29 |
| chem|st | have fun | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup dogs | 20:29 |
| pawky | ah... finally, a lovely terminal... i am home | 20:29 |
| chem|st | :) | 20:29 |
| pawky | ok.. lets see | 20:29 |
| pawky | but thats the worst keyboard i have seen in a while... | 20:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | chem|st: howdy | 20:29 |
| chem|st | ZogG_laptop: hoi | 20:30 |
| chem|st | pawky: fingerterm is pretty good but use in landscape | 20:30 |
| chem|st | pawky: you have to set the password in devel settings... | 20:30 |
| pawky | duh.. authentication failed SSU set up correctly? | 20:31 |
| Tofe | chem|st: the biggest problem I have with fingerterm is the fact that it's not possible to keep the text above the keyboard | 20:31 |
| chem|st | pawky: don't enter devel ssu! | 20:31 |
| netzvieh | oh it has landscape :O and thats when i started tapping the right keys in portrait :D | 20:31 |
| pawky | chem|st... i didnt... | 20:31 |
| chem|st | pawky: we are not suposed and currently not allowed to | 20:31 |
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| chem|st | what does ssu return | 20:32 |
| pawky | it is off... | 20:32 |
| netzvieh | Tofe: don't stop typing :D | 20:32 |
| Tofe | netzvieh: well, mh, yes | 20:32 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 20:32 |
| pawky | chem|st.. duh?... return? | 20:32 |
| slate | Stskeeps: any public plans for gyrometer-support to dalvik-side? | 20:32 |
| Tofe | pawky: $ ssu | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | slate: don't really know, sorry | 20:33 |
| Quu | slate: im pretty sure yes, they just havent had time to finish all the stuffs yet :) | 20:33 |
| pawky | not that readable when its infront of the keyboard... | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | slate: ask at together.* perhaps | 20:33 |
| slate | yep, thanks | 20:33 |
| pawky | well.. it just gives me the -h i presume | 20:33 |
| pawky | ssu repos tells me a thing or two | 20:34 |
| pawky | looks ok to me releases/1.0.2.5 | 20:34 |
| pawky | so it points to the right repo as far as i understand... | 20:35 |
| Tofe | pawky: good, you can relax | 20:35 |
| chem|st | pawky: "ssu domain" | 20:35 |
| pawky | Tofe: exept for me still having 1.0.0.5 and cannot open store... | 20:35 |
| Tofe | pawky: oh, I missed that. Don't relax yet, then. | 20:36 |
| Pnuu | pawky: time to try my link, I guess | 20:36 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: changing domain was to sales right? | 20:36 |
| pawky | Pnuu... ok.. i thought you meant the link wher it tells me to do the update in term... | 20:37 |
| Pnuu | pawky: this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-crashes-unable-to-update-system/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 20:37 |
| pawky | Pnuu wel thats the one i am trying.. | 20:37 |
| Tofe | the two commands look ok to me | 20:37 |
| Pnuu | only those two commands, then try the store app again | 20:37 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: pawky don't | 20:37 |
| pawky | getting this Authentication failed is SSU set up correctly | 20:38 |
| pawky | ok... I am bewildered here... | 20:38 |
| chem|st | pawky: what are you trying? | 20:38 |
| chem|st | are you trying ssu upgrade? | 20:38 |
| pawky | what the link told me to.. | 20:38 |
| chem|st | pkcon? | 20:38 |
| pawky | chem|st no... only pkcon install | 20:38 |
| pawky | yes | 20:38 |
| Tofe | rather harmless, at least it won't break more things than current state | 20:39 |
| chem|st | pawky: what does "ssu domain" return? | 20:39 |
| pawky | hold... | 20:39 |
| pawky | jolla | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | should be sales iirc | 20:40 |
| Pnuu | yes | 20:40 |
| chem|st | type "ssu domain sales" | 20:40 |
| pawky | ? | 20:40 |
| pawky | ok... | 20:40 |
| chem|st | veryfy with ssu domain again | 20:40 |
| pawky | done | 20:41 |
| pawky | now pcon? :-) | 20:41 |
| chem|st | now "pkcon update" | 20:41 |
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| pawky | better | 20:41 |
| pawky | done.. will kill | 20:41 |
| chem|st | pawky: you owe me! | 20:41 |
| pawky | well... i am not out of the woods yet... | 20:42 |
| netzvieh | what does ssu register do? and the OBS in the description for the -h flag means Open Build Service? | 20:42 |
| chem|st | it will take a while | 20:42 |
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| pawky | yes! | 20:43 |
| chem|st | netzvieh: ssu register is devmode repos and currently bricked-devices-land | 20:43 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | it changes to jolla if you allow developer updates? is there anything else that can change that? | 20:43 |
| pawky | ok... so now i got the store.. | 20:43 |
| chem|st | store works? | 20:43 |
| pawky | Harhaanjohtaja... yeah.. probably what i tampered with... ;-) | 20:43 |
| pawky | yes! | 20:43 |
| pawky | chem|st ^ | 20:43 |
| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: it comes shipped with jolla set | 20:43 |
| Yaniel | don't touch the developer updates thing! | 20:43 |
| pawky | Yaniel: ok.. | 20:44 |
| chem|st | pawky: go to My Apps pulley | 20:44 |
| pawky | so... anything you want me to install in the store? | 20:44 |
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| chem|st | no do not install anything | 20:44 |
| netzvieh | chem|st: thanks | 20:44 |
| chem|st | look at My Apps if there is any device upgrdae | 20:44 |
| pawky | great.. now the store is open, and I cant install stuff.. | 20:44 |
| Yaniel | that is not in My Apps | 20:44 |
| Tofe | It's in the System properties, isn't it ? | 20:45 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: it is | 20:45 |
| Yaniel | it is in Settings -> System Settings -> Device Info -> Pulley | 20:45 |
| ottulo | I'm getting into this ssh over wlan thing | 20:45 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: Tofe it shows in My Apps too | 20:45 |
| Tofe | chem|st: ok, forgot about that | 20:45 |
| clau | ottulo, which one? | 20:45 |
| Yaniel | the sailfish update? | 20:45 |
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| chem|st | it shows in notifications on lock-screen in store etc | 20:46 |
| ottulo | clau: I mean I'm starting to like having the ability to ssh to the phone with no cables | 20:46 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: yes | 20:46 |
| clau | ottulo, oh.. ok :) | 20:46 |
| pawky | chem|st... searching for that my apps pulley at best... | 20:46 |
| chem|st | pawky: pulley menu | 20:46 |
| chem|st | in store | 20:47 |
| Yaniel | pawky: App Store main screen, pulley menu | 20:47 |
| pawky | chem|st hey... we didn't have those on the N9... | 20:47 |
| pawky | ahhh | 20:47 |
| pawky | ok... | 20:47 |
| pawky | got it.. system update... | 20:47 |
| pawky | :-) | 20:47 |
| chem|st | 1.0.2.5? | 20:47 |
| pawky | yes.. its ..... doing something.... | 20:48 |
| chem|st | you can skip on the backup step I guess | 20:48 |
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| pawky | great.. but i've already choosen it... I am very trigger happy.... ask Jonni ;-) | 20:48 |
| slate | its not ok to reboot but its ok to skip backups. ;) | 20:48 |
| chem|st | the top bar on the screen after you confirmed by pulley menu that it should download - is your download indicator | 20:48 |
| pawky | slate: LOL | 20:48 |
| chem|st | huge bar with a vessel | 20:48 |
| pawky | backups are for script kiddies... | 20:49 |
| chem|st | slate: you are out | 20:49 |
| slate | No, inside, under my blanket. | 20:49 |
| chem|st | I am so old that I know the important things on my phone by heart! | 20:49 |
| chem|st | slate: oh you are a pussy too... | 20:50 |
| pawky | I really like the phone and its design... way to go jolla! was skeptic at first.. but as the top part is alloy... its great | 20:50 |
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| slate | Been the nicest phone in a while for me. | 20:50 |
| chem|st | pawky: in the meantime get to know about things like tohd.service NFC bug - will save you some headache on battery consumption for now | 20:51 |
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| chem|st | pawky: am I good to go then? | 20:51 |
| pawky | and while in here.. except for all of you guys helping out in here... a big thanks for Jonni who earlier helped me with the N9 quite a bit.. you can tell the team his, (and your) efforts is the very reason I bought this phone as soon as i could.. | 20:51 |
| pawky | chem|st yes you are :-) | 20:51 |
| pawky | its updating :-) | 20:52 |
| pawky | thank you thank you thank you :-) | 20:52 |
| chem|st | :) have fun | 20:52 |
| pawky | now lets hope i don't brick it ;-) | 20:52 |
| chem|st | pawky: read about recovery mode then as well^^ | 20:52 |
| pawky | chem|st thank you | 20:52 |
| pawky | chem|st I will :-) | 20:52 |
| slate | hope that u get the new recovery flashed before bricking :) | 20:53 |
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| pawky | how do I know when its done, will it reboot? | 20:54 |
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| pawky | aha.. ok.. i needed to press that bar saying create... note to intuitive... | 20:55 |
| Yaniel | yes it will reboot | 20:55 |
| Yaniel | after updating | 20:55 |
| pawky | I like that vibrating titty ikon B-) | 20:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | but ir probably ask to install first | 20:55 |
| * Yaniel still has no idea which icon pawky means | 20:55 | |
| pawky | ohh.. is it a sailfish?.... :-S | 20:55 |
| pawky | Yaniel, i think its the sailfish icon.. :-D | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | S-shaped? | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | (somewhat) | 20:56 |
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| pawky | more like... a titt.. to where some sound booms comes out.. | 20:56 |
| pawky | or whatever it is.. | 20:56 |
| pawky | to the right of the Sailfish name... | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | yeah that is the sailfish logo | 20:57 |
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| pawky | Yaniel: look, a titt https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQM59LYjuxFsYHOFu00WtazzCGPeSidGdKTHDWnRAE-vlAnpn1MKg | 20:58 |
| clau | titty icon :D | 20:58 |
| pawky | clau :-D | 20:58 |
| clau | never looked at it like that, but I see what you mean now :D | 20:58 |
| pawky | clau: back to momy.... B-) | 20:58 |
| pawky | and its vibrating.. maybe thats what they look like on a techno dance floor... | 20:59 |
| Jope | vibraciooneeeee | 20:59 |
| pawky | clau: what should it look like? | 20:59 |
| pawky | a fish? | 20:59 |
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| pdanek | I'm long time Pidgin user but I feel there isn't much development in it. | 20:59 |
| pdanek | Did any of you actually move from Pidgin to something else? | 20:59 |
| netzvieh | pdanek: for what? | 20:59 |
| pawky | mail i presume | 21:00 |
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| pawky | oh.. hat | 21:00 |
| pawky | chat | 21:00 |
| pawky | damn.. | 21:00 |
| clau | pawky, if you make a little effort you will see the fish :) | 21:00 |
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| pawky | clau: wonder what I would like to see the most, a fish.... or a tit.. | 21:00 |
| pawky | jolla is rebooting | 21:00 |
| pdanek | netzvieh: xmpp mainly and I'd like to run video calls in the future as well | 21:00 |
| pawky | go go gadget! | 21:01 |
| pdanek | pawky: jolla reboots really quickly | 21:01 |
| clau | pdanek, that's one thing I really don't care about. I mean, how often do you reboot? | 21:01 |
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| pawky | pdanek: yeah! | 21:01 |
| ljp | I reboot quite a few times a day :) | 21:02 |
| pawky | hmm... one of the happy things with jolla is you can also run android stuff... but will i be able to install the apps from google apps? | 21:02 |
| pdanek | pawky: there are some tutorials on net how to bring g.apps there, but native apps are better | 21:03 |
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| pawky | pdanek: true.. but you know... my bank.. yada yada.. | 21:03 |
| netzvieh | pdanek: try Gajim | 21:03 |
| pawky | so.. yandex is not google... and I need to register then.. | 21:03 |
| netzvieh | pawky: http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_to_install_the_Google_Play_Store ? | 21:05 |
| tanghus_ | restless_being_: Yay, you're already translating \o/ Thanks again | 21:05 |
| restless_being_ | :) | 21:06 |
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| pdanek | netzvieh: Have you used Jitsi? | 21:06 |
| pawky | netzvieh: will have a look :-) | 21:06 |
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| netzvieh | pdanek: i try to avoid java software ;) | 21:07 |
| netzvieh | so, no | 21:08 |
| pdanek | netzvieh: and what do you think about this new project? http://tox.im/ | 21:08 |
| attah | Victory is mine! I (almost) outsmarted the album art system. | 21:08 |
| clau | pdanek, I'm still using pidgin, with otr plugin. | 21:09 |
| pdanek | clau: but audio/video call with PIdgin probably isn't the best thing | 21:09 |
| attah | So weekend plans are set cover-art app it is! | 21:09 |
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| clau | I'm not using audio/video, I'm old school ;) | 21:09 |
| pdanek | I need Skype replacement | 21:09 |
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| pdanek | I live far away from all my family | 21:09 |
| pdanek | so it's a must | 21:09 |
| netzvieh | pdanek: I'll have a look, though I'm a bit suspicious on new messengers promising privacy | 21:10 |
| pdanek | netzvieh: exactly, like re-inventing the wheel and becoming popular only from Snowden's boom | 21:10 |
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| Eztran | Well, all the crappy proprietary messaging apps reinvent the wheel every ten seconds, so it's nothing new. | 21:11 |
| netzvieh | we had a "secure whatsapp alternative" here with terrifying (in a bad sense) encryption in JavaScript | 21:11 |
| netzvieh | Eztran: true :( | 21:12 |
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| netzvieh | but hey Tox doesn't wave the "military grade encryption" flag :D only "leading-class encryption" | 21:12 |
| clau | talk to coderus, maybe he will add some serious encryption to mitakuuluu :) | 21:12 |
| clau | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92160 <-- mitakuuluu | 21:13 |
| pdanek | military grade :D | 21:13 |
| Eztran | netzvieh: maybe that's a good thing, and they actually expect users to know what 'military grade' actually means? I can hope. | 21:13 |
| pawky | hmm... would one really trust a russian site with apps?... | 21:13 |
| pdanek | pawky: Yandex? Why not. | 21:14 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i think there are way too many messaging programs | 21:14 |
| clau | pawky, you are saying it like americans are more trustworthy :) | 21:14 |
| pdanek | pawky: less trustworthy than Google Play, but it's not about being Russian | 21:14 |
| Eztran | Heck, isn't OpenRepos hosted in Russia? | 21:14 |
| pawky | pdanek... like, quite a few hackers out there?... | 21:14 |
| clau | I mean... I hope you heard about Snowden. | 21:14 |
| pdanek | pawky: or quite a few smart people :) | 21:15 |
| pawky | pdanek. that is very true.. | 21:15 |
| pdanek | pawky: all the Russians I worked with were really really good | 21:15 |
| pawky | but that also account for quite a few fraudsters... | 21:15 |
| pawky | pdanek: my gf is russian :-D | 21:15 |
| artemma | Russia might actually be one of the safest countries out there nowadays. At least if your bad guys are most probable to be in USA :) | 21:16 |
| pdanek | Snowden is in Russia after all? :D | 21:16 |
| pawky | artemma: yeah.. in a way.. | 21:16 |
| pawky | pdanek: very true... | 21:16 |
| artemma | I mean safe as in a secure for your IT project way | 21:16 |
| pawky | I like the site vkontakte :-) | 21:16 |
| pawky | they wanted to hire him. | 21:16 |
| pp_ | russian programmers are scary, just look at nginx source code | 21:16 |
| pawky | pp_ lol | 21:17 |
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| * artemma can hardly imagine many countries that could keep Snowden. China maybe and small expressive guys like Venesuala maybe | 21:17 | |
| netzvieh | HarhaanJohtaja: messaging programs or incompatible/propietary protocols? | 21:17 |
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| Eztran | There are almost as many of the latter as the former... | 21:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | inpompatible | 21:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | yeah | 21:17 |
| netzvieh | lots of messaging programs are no problem, the problem is rather that they can't work together and you can't build a one for all solution -.- | 21:18 |
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| pawky | ok folks, whats the deal with those black and white Jolla stickers??? | 21:19 |
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| cvp | hello @ all :D | 21:19 |
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| cvp | skvark you are online ? | 21:19 |
| netzvieh | pawky: put one on your bosses forehead as ad :) | 21:19 |
| pawky | cyp: hello | 21:19 |
| netzvieh | cvp: hi there | 21:19 |
| pawky | netzvieh would like to | 21:19 |
| skvark | cvp: yeah | 21:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | tanghus_: sign here | 21:20 |
| pawky | but such a waste of to good sticker | 21:20 |
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| cvp | hey, first nice work (solar toh) :) | 21:20 |
| pawky | (two good stickers) | 21:20 |
| skvark | cvp: thanks :) | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | tanghus_: for second app translation :P | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | skvark: sup | 21:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | skvark: how is sim problem? | 21:20 |
| cvp | can you explain how do you make the other half ? is it a original cover ? | 21:20 |
| tanghus_ | ZogG_laptop: A virtual beer coming your way :) Thanks again | 21:21 |
| Quu | cvp: you can clearly see its 3D printed :p | 21:21 |
| skvark | cvp: 3D printer, I made the full TOH model earlier | 21:21 |
| skvark | and modified it for the panel | 21:21 |
| skvark | and printed the new model | 21:21 |
| cvp | oh man , thats cool, i need a cover to :( but dont have a 3d printer | 21:22 |
| cvp | need one for my project | 21:22 |
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| pawky | is the maps app an offline map like the one on the N9? | 21:22 |
| clau | pawky, currently no. | 21:22 |
| pawky | clau: well that SUCKS... | 21:22 |
| netzvieh | cvp: skvark Quu: which cover? | 21:22 |
| pawky | can we ripp it from the N9? | 21:22 |
| Quu | netzvieh: solar power TOH | 21:22 |
| clau | and sadly it's quite hard to use, unless you know some tricks. | 21:22 |
| cvp | http://relativity.fi/jolla_solar_toh/solar_toh9.JPG | 21:23 |
| netzvieh | ah i think i saw that one earlier today | 21:23 |
| netzvieh | thx | 21:23 |
| pawky | i mean, who gets lost in ones own country, its when you are abroad you really need it without having to do roaming | 21:23 |
| Eztran | Oddly enough, though, when questioned on the maps app its creators claimed it was capable of offline usage. Dunno what happened there, maybe some licensing? Or maybe someone just got it wrong. | 21:23 |
| pawky | or else its worthless | 21:23 |
| skvark | ZogG_laptop: I don't have the problem anymore because I modified the sim holder switch | 21:23 |
| clau | pawky, I hope someday it will allow local storage of maps, AND offer some car navigation that can actually be used without causing a car crash. | 21:23 |
| artemma | pawky: Maps are caching, so tomorrow you are able to see places you saved and browsed yesterday. But it's not like full gogole maps cache, it just caches something that you browsed in that exactly zoom level | 21:23 |
| pawky | artemma: but i don't want them to cache.. i want them there once and for all :-) | 21:24 |
| clau | Eztran, maybe that feature is just not implemented yet? | 21:24 |
| Eztran | clau: I really hope so. Might just be wishful thinking, though. | 21:24 |
| pawky | didn't the N9 use the HERE format? | 21:24 |
| artemma | pawky: go vote for offline maps in together ;) Jolla guys are sure negotiating anyway, but if it becomes the very top request, they might have more motivation | 21:25 |
| clau | well, n9 is nokia. | 21:25 |
| netzvieh | you could always buy a local sim if your phone isn't simlocked and supports the network standards ;) | 21:25 |
| pawky | at least, it would be great to be able to move the files from the N9 if one owns one :-) | 21:26 |
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| Eztran | Probably use different map formats, seeing as the N9 basically just dropped massive chunks of map into storage IIRC. | 21:27 |
| clau | if downloading entire countries on the phone is not possible, I would still like to be able to pre-download some areas at the least. | 21:27 |
| cvp | skvark what will me cost if you print me one and send to germany ? :D | 21:27 |
| clau | let's call it pre-caching :) | 21:27 |
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| pawky | clau: well, on the N9 i had the whole world... | 21:27 |
| pawky | so it should certainly be possible | 21:28 |
| clau | I doubt it's a technical problem, really. | 21:28 |
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| clau | it's most likely some IP / licensing stuff. | 21:29 |
| skvark | cvp: do you need the solar model or full toh? there's companies like shapeways where you can order 3d printed stuff by providing a model | 21:29 |
| Eztran | I'd have thought so, yeah. | 21:29 |
| pawky | I hate IP... | 21:29 |
| FiSHBoY | speaking of N8, I am currently trying to resurrect my N9's battery :) | 21:29 |
| pawky | and patents... | 21:29 |
| cvp | full modell, or a moded one for my extended battery :D | 21:29 |
| pawky | it only hinders development | 21:29 |
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| pawky | its old fashioned... | 21:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: ping | 21:30 |
| pawky | FiSHBoY: wy not buy a new battery? | 21:30 |
| FiSHBoY | it's just discharged because I left it alone for a few months | 21:31 |
| skvark | cvp: well then you could just take my model and order it e.g. from shapeways (I don't guarantee that it will fit perfectly) or wait for the official model and modify it and order it | 21:32 |
| clau | I think you will need to charge it outside the phone, but maybe someone else knows some trick to make it work without getting it out. | 21:32 |
| cvp | official ? ... soon ? :D | 21:32 |
| cvp | i dont think so ;) | 21:32 |
| Eztran | Soon(tm), maybe. | 21:32 |
| skvark | cvp: the .stl files are here https://github.com/skvark/TheOtherHalf | 21:33 |
| pawky | how do you set up sshd on the phone? | 21:33 |
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| skvark | cvp: and in other formats http://relativity.fi/jolla_toh/3dmodels/ | 21:33 |
| pawky | found it.. | 21:33 |
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| cvp | thanks | 21:34 |
| clau | hmm, does anyone know what happens if I have an app installed from Store, and it is also present in Warehouse? what happens during an update? latest version wins regardless of the repository? | 21:34 |
| netzvieh | skvark: I like your license choice :) | 21:35 |
| pawky | Am I the only one sceptic about the 3.5 plug being plastic and not steel? | 21:35 |
| skvark | netzvieh: that's good :D | 21:35 |
| mikma | skvark: i'm guessing that one won't slip from the hand! | 21:36 |
| skvark | mikma: no it won't :) | 21:37 |
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| pawky | damn... how do you change the USB to start listen to ssh connections? | 21:38 |
| pawky | i mean change it from charging | 21:38 |
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| netzvieh | pawky: why not wifi? | 21:39 |
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| mikma | pawky: when you plug the usb in there's the top menu open for a while | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: sorry, 10pm is past my bedtime | 21:39 |
| pawky | netzvieh, to learn :-) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:39 |
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| pawky | mikma, this i got but is it the ONLY time you get to choose? | 21:39 |
| mikma | pawky: select the developer mode? (first one) | 21:39 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: the night is just beginning | 21:39 |
| pawky | mikma: I have it | 21:39 |
| mikma | pawky: i get that menu everytime i connect usb | 21:39 |
| netzvieh | pawky: but should be settings -> system settings -> usb if you opted for always charging only | 21:40 |
| slate | settings system usb | 21:40 |
| pawky | netzvieh... did it.. but nope... | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: sorry. hope you read it later. but no answer was provided to SIM problem, no answer if it is under fix or not and is it HW problem and what are the options. Are there be recalls? ping your boats there | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: sorry, i'm not qualified to remotely talk about HW issues, i'm a pure SW person | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | ie, i have no clue about such things | 21:42 |
| pawky | netzvieh... ahh.. its all about configuring it in KDE... | 21:42 |
| Jartza | I tried to also install the SDK to start hacking with Jolla | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: i know you do, we talked about it once already. but you can ping your friends in boat | 21:43 |
| Jartza | but it seems to bork on OSX if parallels is installed | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: i think it's fair to say that people read together.* | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i feel it's unfair to keep people frustrated with _no_ info and no official statemment AGAIN | 21:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: it is on together with NO ANSWER there | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: you don't need to shout at me | 21:45 |
| slate | you are looking for an official statent from irc @ almost midnight finnish time? :) | 21:45 |
| slate | statement | 21:46 |
| * BitEvil sighs. | 21:46 | |
| * BitEvil sighs for an entirely different reason. | 21:46 | |
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| Stskeeps | also, there's no such thing as an official statement here | 21:47 |
| * Quu le sighs for all the reasons | 21:47 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: no shouting at you | 21:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | not asking for statement from you | 21:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | not here | 21:47 |
| * slate sighs for channels which allow /me´s | 21:48 | |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm talking to you as one of the logical persons | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | trying to say that not telling and communicating from jolla(not you personally) side again and again is really stupid | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | not only losing current but also future customers | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | if you're wanting a statement from jolla, direct it to jolla - there's channels for this, care, twitter, info and for developer issues, developer care | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | we're just fellow community members on twitter and here | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you read together.* | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | people got no peorper responce from care | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i asked at twitter | 21:49 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: deop yourself and change nickname ;) | 21:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it's not agains or personal to Stskeeps | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's just he is friendly and do answer | 21:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway we get the same Nokia attitude and no communication from Jolla :P | 21:50 |
| Eztran | C'mon, you know they know. The lack of response may be annoying, but there's not much he can do about it personally. | 21:51 |
| slate | Working at Jolla is a 24/7 job? | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | all the promisses are just the air | 21:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i didn;t ask him to help | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i talked with him about it for a long time | 21:51 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and he said he would talk to guy there | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i talk to him again | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | give me other channel were i can get response | 21:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | as any of them we do not get | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: i'm going to bed - my son is crying and i have to take care of him. | 21:52 |
| slate | btw, PatternBatteryFull default blink is to brigt, it lits the lcd. | 21:52 |
| Quu | hey, its pretty late. maybe you should try again in 8-12 hours when people are actually working. | 21:52 |
| slate | *bright | 21:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | thread on their own site with 2k views and 74 votes and lot's of comments and no response | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: night | 21:52 |
| pawky | ehh.. do you log in as root directly, or develop.. or developer... or what? | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: sorry for disturbing you, really sorry. the problem is that only you answer | 21:53 |
| slate | pawky: just use nemo. | 21:53 |
| slate | ;) | 21:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it's not like i tried for an hour, i waited at least days | 21:53 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: don't be unfair to others, I saw many times other Jolla guys answering substantial questions here. It's just so that right now only Stskeeps is here | 21:53 |
| pawky | wow... that worked... | 21:53 |
| * rigo wonders whether there are ways to throw tomatoes via IRC | 21:53 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Quu: again it's not todays issue. so next 8 hours is not helping | 21:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | artemma: they do answer but lately no one here too active at least at hours i can chat | 21:54 |
| pawky | ahh.. I am roooooooooooot... I roool the worlth... | 21:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: special and Aard were always helpful and few others i can't recall names | 21:55 |
| * netzvieh throws a tomato at rigo | 21:55 | |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: I also find other channels more productive for tech questional. e.g #sailfishos | 21:55 |
| netzvieh | did it work? | 21:55 |
| special | (fwiw, a lot of people are still on holiday) | 21:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | artemma: it;s HW related | 21:55 |
| artemma | ah.. okay | 21:55 |
| * Aard checks what's going on when highlighted. only very occasionally have time to read this channel long enough to understand what's happening | 21:55 | |
| w00t | special: holidays? over christmas and new years? did someone forget to padlock the chains? | 21:56 |
| attah | music library api.. is there such a thing? (browsing/listing the contents) | 21:56 |
| special | w00t: apparently >:( | 21:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know what is holiday and no one asks for solution | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | but few lines as answer would be nice | 21:58 |
| rigo | ZogG_laptop: pointer? | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | to the company is kind of startup and already failed in communication not once | 21:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it would be best for you not me :) | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo: pointer? | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo: NULL | 21:59 |
| rigo | URI for the hardware issue | 21:59 |
| rigo | ahh me web, you programmer :) | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/ | 21:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo: i'm loser not a programmer :_( | 22:00 |
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| rigo | hm, I clicked on some page that ended in .fi and got garbage on my screen :) | 22:01 |
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| rigo | BTW, my sonyericsson P910 did the same and I fixed it with a paper | 22:02 |
| rigo | ZogG_laptop, you may try that to increase the contact | 22:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigo: i don;t think you paid 400 euro for your sony ericson when for that price you coudl get better hw right? to fix sim problems with paper and tape (which may lead to other problems with time as diforming soldered parts coz it's not meant to be there) | 22:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rigo: so you buy new expensive car and door is not opening, and the answer you get is "use other door or jump thru window" | 22:05 |
| Quu | i would fix it with duct-tape. | 22:05 |
| netzvieh | ZogG_laptop: answer would be use some gaffa tape to fix it :) | 22:05 |
| Morpog_PC | ZogG_laptop, you don't even have a device yet and freak out.... | 22:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | for me simpler is to make answer "refund - buy 2 nexuses" and spread it to the world, but as jolla and community want jolla to succeed. i think thye need some coolabration | 22:06 |
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| slate | ZogG_laptop: have you swapped your sim with your operator yet? | 22:06 |
| Morpog_PC | what about the thousands of customers without sim card problems, like me? | 22:06 |
| Morpog_PC | slate, he doesn't have his jolla yet | 22:07 |
| slate | ah. and still has problems | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: what about dozens that do not post and dozens that would have problems soon | 22:07 |
| * artemma hopes somebody writes a blog post on how to fix sim issues with duct tape. I seem to have it as well | 22:07 | |
| Morpog_PC | people with problems post usually, people without don't. That simple. | 22:07 |
| special | ZogG_laptop: this rant doesn't seem productive anymore | 22:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: so answer "you just have bad luck" is good tech answer? | 22:07 |
| Quu | special: was it on some point? :p | 22:08 |
| special | ZogG_laptop: I know nothing about it (because I know nothing about hardware), but I'm sure there's awareness of the complaints and I'm sure it's being looked at | 22:08 |
| Morpog_PC | I don't think anyone told you that officially from Jolla. | 22:08 |
| slate | When working at nokia care, usually tried a new sim for a first fix. | 22:08 |
| slate | there are differences. | 22:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | special: this rant doesn't seems to help somebody to realize at some point that they cant make same mistakes with same excuses over and over again and it costs them at some point and there would be no need in rants. if you pay attention it's not for nothing, never | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | special: it can be looked now so what? | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | special: when you had problems with shipping was it hard to send letter that you have problems | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | how easy it was jsut to write "we are on it" and it calms people | 22:09 |
| special | I just wrote "we are on it" | 22:10 |
| rigo | special: just let him air | 22:10 |
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| Quu | yeah, let him be special for a minute. | 22:10 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 22:10 |
| * chem|st slaps rigo with a wet trout | 22:10 | |
| w00t | i'm special first. | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i do understadn you are on it and i even know it, but a lot of people are frustrated and it's in your interest. if there are so many talks about openess from jolla. why not comunicate? | 22:10 |
| rigo | ZogG_laptop: my P910 was more expensive at that time. BTW, it had that prob in the beginning and I still have it and it still works. I hope you have the same for your jolla | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | special: write it as official answer on POST, or on twitter where people asked it | 22:11 |
| special | I don't write official answers, certainly not about hardware | 22:11 |
| Morpog_PC | ZogG_laptop, I guess it's not directly in Jollas hand. This is not Nokia or Samsung. HW is built by an ODM. | 22:11 |
| Morpog_PC | *I guess* | 22:11 |
| special | if you want an official answer you'll have to wait until the situation is understood well enough to give an accurate and substantative one | 22:12 |
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| rigo | Hey ZogG, half the world is blaming my org because some other org joined. I prefer the jolla guys fixing the thing instead of having a bloated comm team with senseless messages to the masses | 22:12 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: when there is something to communicate, it will be communicated - these things take time, time for finding the right people, for them to find answers, and time for them to figure out responses. they certainly don't happen at past midnight finnish time, even when it is some hours after your last complaint about it on twitter (which was at 5pm finnish time, btw, after office hours too) | 22:12 |
| * artemma likes what Jolla is doing, but seriously Jolla looks quite close despite all the claims. That is everything above mer/nemo.. | 22:12 | |
| artemma | closed* | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: so they can't f say "we are looking at this. we would X if there is such problem but we'll try to fix it Y way? | 22:13 |
| rigo | don't confuse "closed" and "busy" | 22:13 |
| leinir | what rigo said | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: it's not from today | 22:13 |
| special | ZogG_laptop: please also recognize that hardware is by nature slower and more cautious. | 22:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | w00t: i got same answer almost if not a week ago | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's like a week of night there? | 22:14 |
| artemma | rigo: I am into seeing some sort of a roadmap, especially API roadmap, but features as well. At least a rough and unstable one | 22:14 |
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| rigo | in the meantime, stuff a paper and for god's sake, don't put your key in your pocket together with your phone :) | 22:14 |
| artemma | like you know, if daemons are going to be possible any time soon | 22:14 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: a week ago, most people were on holiday, so yes, it's been ~2 weeks of night | 22:14 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: some people *still* are on holiday | 22:14 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: this means - believe it or not - that things slow down a bit | 22:14 |
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| Pnuu | I saw sun today, from an airplane | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: so basically sell phone as fast as can and all go home? it's like deploying at friday night and go home? | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: really? | 22:15 |
| Pnuu | I guess it was 1,5 months the last time | 22:15 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: anyway, at this point I'm with special - you've gotten as much of an answer as you're going to get tonight, so please change topics and talk about something else | 22:15 |
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| rigo | w00t: please keep the holidays, it makes people survive | 22:15 |
| special | w00t: he doesn't think we deserve holidays and vacations :< | 22:15 |
| Pnuu | and it wasn't even possible to see it for a few weeks, didn't rise high enoug | 22:15 |
| Pnuu | h | 22:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | it takes fucking 20 min max to just give small answer(not even solution) like when you send mail(it was too late there too) that you have problems with sending. no one asked for solution now | 22:16 |
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| artemma | ZogG_laptop: be fair, guys worked hard and can rest after the first couple of fixes is out at least. If they are still not fast enough for you (or others). Well, it's sad, but that the only Jolla team there is | 22:16 |
| cvp | http://i43.tinypic.com/5clw8y.png | 22:16 |
| cvp | http://i39.tinypic.com/t5378i.png | 22:17 |
| Morpog_PC | ZogG_laptop, I think you misinterpret a small startup with industry giants. Buying a Jolla is/was a adventure. Most people know about that. If that is nothing for you, maybe you shouldn't have preordered/bought it. | 22:17 |
| teve | /ignore ZogG_laptop | 22:17 |
| * artemma is not very happy about the Jolla's way of communication as well, but he stuff gets done step by step | 22:17 | |
| slate | And in start of february, china shuts down for 2-3 weeks for holidays. I bet the odm is on holiday too then ;) | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | just a small attention for people who gave you 400 euro and preorded beliving in you and suddenly you got money and on holidays and no reaction ? seriously? i bet MS or SAMSUNG do that you rant as well, but here we friends so it's not allowed? | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: i don't misinterupt anything | 22:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | point of startup that yes there should be someone asnwering 24/7 nothing to do with it, yes htey need try hard to prove as they can't loose trust. | 22:18 |
| rigo | Zog, you would need a full time person. Eventually, the wind you made here will lead to a person answering | 22:18 |
| Pnuu | cvp: solar cell stuff or something like that? | 22:18 |
| rigo | but this is only for one question and not the gazillion others. | 22:18 |
| rigo | Pnuu: I want a keybord in the other half!!! | 22:19 |
| cvp | second 3200mAh Accu ;) | 22:19 |
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| Pnuu | cvp: ah :-) | 22:19 |
| rigo | hummm! | 22:19 |
| Morpog_PC | wow, is it fat now? cvp | 22:19 |
| Pnuu | cvp: so that's 2,5 weeks of standby time :-D | 22:19 |
| cvp | hrhr | 22:20 |
| artemma | ZogG_laptop: you have right to be disappointed or not happy enough, sure. I also think that those present here have heard your arguments already and might or might not adjust according to it ;) | 22:20 |
| rigo | jolla should not only have a store for software, but also a store for gadgets. legally its the same and easy to set up | 22:20 |
| cvp | accu is ~ 5 - 5,5mm | 22:20 |
| cvp | Motorola EB40 | 22:20 |
| Pnuu | cvp: you've got the measurement leads in the wrong ports ;-) | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: physical gadgets ? | 22:20 |
| rigo | Yep!! | 22:20 |
| w00t | rigo: I still want a solar other half, now I saw someone try the idea | 22:20 |
| rigo | yep, saw it too | 22:21 |
| Quu | solar + bigger battery | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: well, you need storage, supply chain, warranty handling, etc. for that | 22:21 |
| rigo | no | 22:21 |
| rigo | because you don't need that for software either, do you? | 22:21 |
| Pnuu | I'm looking for a suitable solar cell and miniature dc-dc upconverters | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, an idea - TOH with a camera door, like on the N900 | 22:21 |
| Waitee | gotta ask him to print a toh for me | 22:21 |
| cvp | Pnuu sure ? ;) | 22:21 |
| slate | I'd like to see a toh integrated to a car dash. just snap the phone to it and go. | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | and like on the N900, opening the door would open the camera app, closing the door would close the app | 22:22 |
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| rigo | slate, NFC is already there and the cars go web | 22:22 |
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| cvp | but the project is not finish... far away... i want my palm wirless charger in to :D | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | so you can easily start taking photos & your camera lens would not be scratched in abrasive environments :) | 22:22 |
| Waitee | theres the change with camera doors that if somehow sand gets under it it scratches the lens | 22:23 |
| slate | like n97 nokia | 22:23 |
| slate | aww. | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, good point | 22:23 |
| Pnuu | just don't make a snug fit against the lens.. :-P | 22:23 |
| rigo | but still, we get so excited with the hardware gadgets, this is an entire market that they can take | 22:23 |
| rigo | be "unlike" :) | 22:23 |
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| M4rtinK | would need to have a small gap between the door and camera lens - making the combined Jolla & TOH quite thick | 22:24 |
| Pnuu | rigo: I bet they will do something, but it'll take time | 22:24 |
| rigo | sure, not tomorrow, I waited for a year to get a jolla hoping my N9 would not break | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | should not be an issue on a keyboard/solar/extended battery TOH though | 22:24 |
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| w00t | hm | 22:24 |
| slate | toh with addon lense-mount | 22:24 |
| w00t | camera door sounds good | 22:24 |
| rigo | and EU distrib was faster than I thought | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | w00t: yeah, kinda came to this idea with a coworker | 22:25 |
| rigo | EOT | 22:25 |
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| w00t | though the lens seems to be pretty resiliant | 22:26 |
| w00t | at least a few months of being carted around in my pocket/backpack hasn't done much to it | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | w00t: even the wiring should be very simple - some primitive I2C-GPIO chip & door sensor | 22:26 |
| w00t | hm. you'd do more than just sticking a door over it? I guess I'm low tech ^^ | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | I think we got inspired by someone wanting a TOH without camera hole as he works in some factory abrasive environment | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | well, even a simple door would be good | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | but a open/close camera door like on N900 would be even better :) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | (opening the camera app when the door is opened) | 22:28 |
| * artemma just can't stop playing with flashlight control from app cover. Feels so magical to turn it on and off from cover! | 22:33 | |
| artemma | anybody wanna try it? :) | 22:33 |
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| chem|st | artemma: the calling home one? | 22:34 |
| artemma | chem|st: not since ver 2.1. Disabled for now for not good user experience, starts network connection while it shouldn't | 22:35 |
| chem|st | slate: what are you doing for a living? | 22:35 |
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| w00t | M4rtinK: yes | 22:35 |
| chem|st | artemma: what were you collecting data for? | 22:35 |
| artemma | okay, also because ublic was frustrated, but that's secondary, not good UX and not clear explanation of privacy were main reasons | 22:35 |
| artemma | chem|st: for marketing myself as a cool developer ("see, my flashlight is used 3000 times a day all over the world) and for normal app improvement a/b testing. Like to see whether people actually used app cover control or morse code or SOS | 22:37 |
| cvp | cool flashlight not blinking anymore... TOP !!! | 22:37 |
| artemma | or whatever | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | well, I thin no applications should gather any usage information and just send it somewhere without notifying the user first | 22:38 |
| chem|st | artemma: such stuff you could add with settings and only upload when wifi is active... give people a choice to not being spyed on | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | I find sue behavior rather rude | 22:38 |
| cvp | artem.... goood work :) | 22:39 |
| cvp | like it... | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | & kinda dangerous, see the Ubuntu amazon search debacle & uproar as an example | 22:39 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I know and I agree that it should be told somewhere, I messed up with it | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | other than that, the app itself looks nice :) | 22:39 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: that was so funny! | 22:39 |
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| M4rtinK | chem|st: well, there were some normal unix commands/program names that produced heavily NSFW Amazon search results for example :) | 22:40 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: then BTW does it mean you are annoyed about Facebook gathering app usage stats (they are doing it for sure)? Or if it happens in a network native app, then it's somehow Okay? :) | 22:40 |
| pawky | now a question to all you old timers nokia N9:ers.... isn't there a way to export all your contacts at once using bluetooth to the new Jolla???? | 22:41 |
| rlp10 | I saw my first jolla today - it's pretty great! | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | M4rtinK: I'm not using Facebook because of this :) | 22:41 |
| chem|st | N9 oldtimers?... | 22:41 |
| pawky | well.. can't say the N9 is spanking new can you.. | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | since when is N9 old ? :) | 22:41 |
| chem|st | pawky: you can simply sync but contacts with special fields and/or characters have problems | 22:41 |
| rlp10 | can anyone tell me if there are good command line apps for controlling the phone? like making calls or sending texts | 22:42 |
| pawky | chem|st like how so??? I have tried for like 30 minutes now.. | 22:42 |
| chem|st | pawky: old depends on the POV | 22:42 |
| cvp | good night @all | 22:42 |
| chem|st | use your n9 to sync, let it be the host | 22:42 |
| pawky | chem|st found the answer just after writing my comment... | 22:43 |
| chem|st | cvp: o/ | 22:43 |
| chem|st | rlp10: dbus? | 22:43 |
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| pawky | chem|st... well it was more of a word game old timer, N9er.... | 22:43 |
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| * artemma hates it that app store offers "upgrading" when the version on device is actually newer than one in store | 22:44 | |
| chem|st | pawky: :) I am more of a n810 one, despite the fact I never had one... hacked my W880i after I found out it is an awesome device based on a strapped linux | 22:44 |
| rlp10 | chem|st: ok i'll look into that, though it maybe a bit clunky. maybe i should write a little cli app to send the dbus commands... | 22:45 |
| chem|st | rlp10: don't know if you can talk directly to ofono | 22:45 |
| chem|st | RTFM.... | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: hrm, w880i is a linux? | 22:46 |
| chem|st | basically the same as for n900 and n9 for other things | 22:46 |
| rlp10 | chem|st: thanks, i'll check out what ofono is | 22:47 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: afaik many sony-er were | 22:47 |
| pawky | chem|st I was praising my N900 to my gf earlier today... really great phone | 22:48 |
| pawky | with real keyboard | 22:48 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: came by accident, I met a service engineer on the streets some day | 22:48 |
| w00t | I liked the feel of the slider on the n900, but the keyboard a bit less so | 22:49 |
| w00t | damn big hands/fingers | 22:49 |
| pawky | w00t true | 22:49 |
| pawky | w00t a bit hard to press if you where hacking the shell | 22:49 |
| chem|st | all those walkman devices are some kind of linux-in-a-box systems with a MIPS layer on top | 22:49 |
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| * w00t still claims that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Universal is the keyboard to beat | 22:49 | |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: any websites on that? | 22:49 |
| pawky | seriously, is there no way to see all your contacts as a list? | 22:49 |
| pawky | ahh... my good old Sony DD3 :-D | 22:50 |
| pawky | now THATS a walkman.... ;-) | 22:50 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: guess they kept everything pretty closed, I never checked though - manipulating MIPS software to read on the base system did not work | 22:51 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: well, call it he claimed it is so | 22:51 |
| chem|st | but I have seen some of the bigger devices having a dmesg like screen on a service bench | 22:52 |
| chem|st | wath was that touchscreen thingy with the keyboard and pencil? | 22:53 |
| pawky | gosh, my sony is so old its not even on the walkman list on wikipedia... | 22:54 |
| chem|st | pawky: you can simply export contacts from N9... go to the folder and "cat *.vcf ALL.vcf" | 22:54 |
| chem|st | pawky: I still have the w880i and its 6year old LiPoly battery still lasts days... | 22:54 |
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| chem|st | ah the P1 had uiq/symbian | 22:56 |
| pawky | chem|st, no no.. i got it with the export sync stuff .. its done.. I am trying to view all the transfered ones on the Jolla, but I can not find a list view... | 22:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | what is the latest version of Sailfish, and what is the official spot to check for that? | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: at the moment probably checking the sailfish-devel mailing list archive for latest update changelog email | 22:59 |
| chem|st | pawky: I was missing several entries after that... | 22:59 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: 1.0.2.5 | 22:59 |
| pawky | v1.0.2.5 | 22:59 |
| pawky | is there a list view in contacts??? | 23:00 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, there is now website where one can look it up? I mean just the information: what is the last version officially rolled out to devices | 23:00 |
| chem|st | pawky: nope | 23:00 |
| pawky | ohh my god!..... what where they thinking of??? | 23:00 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: if there is nothing on jolla.com nope | 23:00 |
| chem|st | pawky: it is already on together | 23:00 |
| pawky | together? | 23:01 |
| chem|st | pawky: together.jolla.com | 23:01 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky I can only see rectn calls as a list and the ones that start with the same letter | 23:01 |
| chem|st | both are stupid and jolla is aware of | 23:01 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, that's weird, why would they hide that information | 23:01 |
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| chem|st | they do not hide it | 23:01 |
| bennypr0fane | i mean not publish it | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC | they did | 23:02 |
| bennypr0fane | for a quick look-up on a website, without the need to join a mailing list | 23:02 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_Mobile, where? | 23:02 |
| Morpog_PC | you don't need to | 23:02 |
| bennypr0fane | oops Morpog_PC | 23:02 |
| pawky | chem|st ahh.. ok :-) | 23:02 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ | 23:03 |
| pawky | I am to demo this phone tomorrow.... it's not the easiest GUI to handle... even though I am a fane of this swipe stuff :-) | 23:03 |
| pawky | (fan) | 23:03 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky, opnce you get used to it, it's reaaly cool | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | Morpog_Mobile: still I thing checking the ML archive is the quickest way to find the latest update version | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | Morpog_Mobile: rather than digging it out from together :) | 23:04 |
| bennypr0fane | some stuff still needs to be ironed out, but the overall concept is really cool and elegant, it's fun to use | 23:05 |
| pawky | I second that | 23:05 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, if you already are in the ml, yes | 23:05 |
| pawky | I am used to the N9 and thats why I am getting lost all the time.. | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | and also the software components are very modern & robust | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | so while the top layer might not be 100% complete, the base is solid | 23:06 |
| pawky | but again, one thing that is really cool and the very thing why I bought the Jolla , just as the N9 is the community around it IRC included :-) | 23:06 |
| bennypr0fane | today is the first time I ever had a multitasking problem with an android app | 23:06 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: the iron needs to be placed on top of the guys trying breaking the UI by design | 23:06 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, ? | 23:06 |
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| bennypr0fane | and who would that be? | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: well, the UI has some serious edge cases | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | & some flexibility issues | 23:07 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: some people on together are rethinking the whole gesture design at least twice - breaking it most of the time with their first idea | 23:07 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: flexibility? | 23:08 |
| chem|st | there is missing consistency here and there... | 23:08 |
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| M4rtinK | the base back-forward/confirm gesture & pulley menus expect a medium size vertically scrollable page | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | but break down once the page is very long/endless vertically | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | or 2D scrollable (map) | 23:10 |
| pawky | I just don't get the idea with swyping from the total bottom versus from the bottom of the visual screen... quite iritating.. | 23:10 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: indeed, UI is not super well suited for long-long lists (like twitter) and for spatial apps (like maps or browser or photo viewer) | 23:10 |
| pawky | it should at least be vise versa... | 23:10 |
| artemma | there are a couple of requests about it on Together, we'll see if something is born out of them | 23:11 |
| bennypr0fane | anyway, on together, that is the announcement of this one update, and I'm guessing they'll be placing them there each time. But what I meant was one page that always has the same address, where it just says: "the current public release of Sf is: <version number>", so you always know where to look, no archives or history to go through. I thought that was kinda standard for all things open source | 23:11 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky what exactly do you not get there? | 23:12 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: I would like to get the icon list when I swype all the way from the bottom, but then I get notifications... | 23:13 |
| pawky | and really.... 4 secs to delet one picture? ehh... | 23:14 |
| Pnuu | that's because of conistency, you get the same thing (notifications) no matter in what app you are | 23:14 |
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| bennypr0fane | pawky, that's the remorse time and very much on purpose. you have it in all deletions | 23:15 |
| pawky | Pnuu when having used the N9 for 2 years Its not easy at the moment... | 23:15 |
| Pnuu | and the 5 secs to delete an image, well, there's a grace period so you can undo it during that if it was a mistake | 23:15 |
| bennypr0fane | it's so you can stop deletion in case it was an accident | 23:15 |
| Pnuu | pawky: you'll learn :-) | 23:16 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: ohh... so its a "feature".... ? | 23:16 |
| mcfrisk | don't drop jollas: http://mcfrisk.kapsi.fi/media/2013/jolla_broken_glass.jpg | 23:16 |
| pawky | Pnuu: i will... :-) | 23:16 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky yup :-) | 23:16 |
| pawky | oh dear... | 23:16 |
| w00t | mcfrisk: yours? | 23:16 |
| bennypr0fane | i think it's cool | 23:16 |
| mcfrisk | w00t: yep, mine | 23:16 |
| w00t | bad luck :/ | 23:16 |
| bennypr0fane | I also wish there was a one-action-way to access the menu | 23:17 |
| * w00t has had a fair few drops, but thankfully none fatal | 23:17 | |
| mcfrisk | still works tough, just the glass broken, touch and screen ok. | 23:17 |
| pawky | Is it just me or are technical gizmo's getting slicker by the year?... | 23:17 |
| bennypr0fane | maybe they should make a button after all | 23:17 |
| pawky | or more slippery... to be frank... | 23:17 |
| bennypr0fane | but it's cool to have the notifications one swipe away also | 23:18 |
| bennypr0fane | what bothers me the most is the three-foru panel vertical carpet in the centre | 23:18 |
| bennypr0fane | and it'll only become longer with more apps | 23:19 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: you just said button... you should go to bed... | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: I would suggest opening a together "ticket" for a version overview page :) | 23:19 |
| pawky | mfrisk: I hope at least you where able to play with it for a while before dropping it | 23:19 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: well if you get lots of notifications that is... | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: could also list other stuff, like if harbour or other infra is online, etc. like the github status page for example | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | they should maybe find some way to shorten that looong ribbon | 23:20 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: one-action-way for what menu? | 23:20 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: menues are pulley and have one action... | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, the app menu | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | main, if you will | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | not home | 23:20 |
| pawky | how are things with video out?.... | 23:20 |
| mcfrisk | pawky: just the glass shattered, the thing works still, just added a book cover membrane to protect my fingers from the sharp edges... | 23:20 |
| pawky | mcfrisk: but still... | 23:20 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: the word you are looking for is launcher | 23:20 |
| bennypr0fane | yup. thanks | 23:21 |
| chem|st | pawky: no vout yet | 23:21 |
| pawky | vout? | 23:21 |
| pawky | ahh.. | 23:21 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, great idea, will do that I think | 23:21 |
| pawky | chem|st but there will be, right? | 23:21 |
| ottulo | has anyone been able to update mitakuuluu through warehouse app? | 23:21 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: it is also in together having folders and the missing sideswipes | 23:21 |
| chem|st | the missing sideswipes will hold some yet undisclosed magic | 23:21 |
| bennypr0fane | hm, you mean missing from left and right of the launcher panel? | 23:22 |
| chem|st | borderswipe | 23:22 |
| bennypr0fane | I mean, that location in the "panels map"? | 23:23 |
| chem|st | what panels? you mean covers? | 23:23 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: we need to upgrade your vocabulary... you are still running some nightly built there | 23:24 |
| bennypr0fane | also, I find it unnecessarily redundant to have ambience to the left AND right of home AND lockscreen. that makes four locations where you have ambience | 23:24 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, lol | 23:24 |
| pawky | gosh, I wish I could work for Jolla. | 23:24 |
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| chem|st | the landing page is called lock-screen and has notification icons and a clock | 23:24 |
| bennypr0fane | so help me again with that word. By panel I mean on full screen the size of the display that you would slide out of/into with a gesture | 23:25 |
| chem|st | the one with active apps is the home-screen with task-manager on long-tap and covers with cover-action gestures and a favourites bar at the bottom | 23:25 |
| chem|st | the app starting pane is called launcher | 23:26 |
| chem|st | the gestures from the sides are border-swipe-gestures | 23:26 |
| chem|st | I do not get what you mean by "slide out of" | 23:27 |
| bennypr0fane | By panel I'm looking for a common name to call all these. e.g. the home panel is next to each app panel. the ambience panel is next to home panel and lock panel | 23:27 |
| chem|st | screen | 23:27 |
| chem|st | ambience-chooser <-> lock-screen <-> ambience-chooser | 23:28 |
| chem|st | ambience-chooser <-> home-screen <-> ambience-chooser | 23:28 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, actually, by official Jolla terminology, every swipe that starts from a border is just a "swipe". swipes inside a screen are called pulls | 23:28 |
| chem|st | unused <-> launcher-screen <-> unused | 23:28 |
| bennypr0fane | ok, I'll just be calling them all "screen" from now on. | 23:29 |
| artemma | Does anybody know: if user upgrades app, does it count as one more download? If user deletes app and installs it back does it count as one more download? | 23:29 |
| bennypr0fane | http://jolla.com/guide/ | 23:29 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: I just say border-swipe and pull as people tend to not understand "swipe" for some reason | 23:29 |
| bennypr0fane | artema, counted where? by whom? | 23:30 |
| artemma | bennypr0fane: counted in app store. When you browse it you see download counts | 23:30 |
| chem|st | artemma: I think so ++ every time | 23:30 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: harbour | 23:31 |
| artemma | like Flashlight has already 3rd version is QA and 4200 downloads. So I wonder if it's 4200 unique people or 2K people who each upgraded or 1500 ppl, some upgrades, some deleted and reinstalled | 23:31 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: so you are looking for what with pulling your screens around? | 23:31 |
| * artemma wants more stats :) | 23:31 | |
| pawky | Any C64 emulators to be found yet? :-) | 23:31 |
| chem|st | pawky: androids only | 23:32 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: you want to change the screen-layout? that is exactly what I ment by people are trying to reinvent the UI and break it with the first idea | 23:32 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, I'd haved labelled them the other way round "pull" for starting from border, because these are the novel kind of gesture, and also naming any gesture on a phone a "pull" is novel. and it would go together nicely with the equally innovative term for the pulley menu. "swipe" should just stand for the regular thing we are used to calling a swipe | 23:33 |
| chem|st | you cannot put a side-pull left/right screen-panel with home-screen as left right pull triggers cover-actions | 23:33 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, whaT? | 23:33 |
| bennypr0fane | that's a really hard-to-process sentence :-D | 23:34 |
| chem|st | sry | 23:34 |
| bennypr0fane | gimme a sec | 23:34 |
| bennypr0fane | got it | 23:35 |
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| chem|st | bennypr0fane: ;) | 23:35 |
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| chem|st | what was your idea of reorganizing the screens? | 23:36 |
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| bennypr0fane | I know what you mean by some ideas breaking the whole concept bcs they don't realize that that idea already is implemented in the concept - but in a way they haven't found out/understood yet. There are quite a few of those, and we must hope Jolla can tell those from the actual improvements | 23:37 |
| chem|st | +1 | 23:37 |
| chem|st | having it the way it is now is a pretty good thing for the base | 23:38 |
| bennypr0fane | however, I didn't make any suggestion about how my wish should be implemented. I just meant *somehow* they should find any way to make the launchers screen faster to reach | 23:38 |
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| netzvieh | just tried to close whatsapp on my nexus ... oh hello notification drawer ... guess I should put it away and use my jolla only oO | 23:38 |
| chem|st | a settings entry to change what is on the sidescreens would be nice but we already know that there is some more feature yet to com for ambiences and a swipe will be added to launcher as well | 23:38 |
| bennypr0fane | netzvieh, lol | 23:39 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: launcher screen is always the same distance +-1 which is good | 23:39 |
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| chem|st | the whole concept builts on adaptive muscle memory | 23:40 |
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| chem|st | and truely I find myself lesser on the wrong page than with N900 or N9 | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | also the notification screen needs a lot of improvement | 23:40 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: improvement? | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | not much usable currently :) | 23:41 |
| pawky | what is this .... with android apps asking you to choose any resolution but the one you have on your phone, ending up being either to tiny or to big??? | 23:41 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: not much there you mean | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | like showing just the last 10 twitter posts | 23:41 |
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| M4rtinK | well, that covers like the last 10 minutes sometimes :) | 23:41 |
| chem|st | well that is not the notification screen that is th twitter app... | 23:41 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, if that whole "map" was customizable, It could help a lot of people with their gripes, like "that's not logical/intuitive" and such. they could just put stuff wherever they want (which I'm convinced there is no "intuitive" and "right-for everyone" location for). | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | it also looses state when switching away | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | so you visit a link from twitter comment, got back but you are no longer in the twitter post list | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | but back on the initial screen | 23:43 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: it actually is already... believe me... it is the same as office 2007, and it is actually bad that msoft gave in on the customers as the UI is much more made for intuitivity than the previous and the successors | 23:43 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, what is what already? | 23:44 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: yaeh there is lots of stuff to improve... but I do not expect sailfish leaving the save beta haven for another 2 months | 23:44 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: the logic behind the UI setup is intuitivity and muscle memory - and yes it took me some days to adapt to it | 23:45 |
| bennypr0fane | the launcher screen is always 2 actions away, 3 if the phone is asleep. For my taste, there should be at least one way to make it one action | 23:45 |
| chem|st | but the fact that you are trained for a back button and an X in the top right corner does not mean that they are good just because you miss them things in the first day | 23:46 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: but it is not actions you need to think or point | 23:46 |
| bennypr0fane | I believe there is no such thing as intuitivity when it comes to operating any computer program. I believe there are just habits, things that you've done before and those that you haven't | 23:47 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: when your muscle memory hits in and you want to launch an app from a locked device you will just taptap pull pull without thinking | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: yeah, there is a lot to do | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: and not it is not just programming, you also need to QA all that | 23:48 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: for sure! | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: I really hope they just make it like on N900/N9/any other mobile device | 23:48 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't think anyone has done real well-founded, cognitive, brain-science research to date on this subject matter | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: unlock screen - you are back on the last app | 23:49 |
| bennypr0fane | everybody calls different things intuitive | 23:49 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, +1 | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: maybe they are doing it on purpose, before people get used to the gestures | 23:49 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: hehe you are wrong... the n9 and the silica ui base on a university study afaik | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: fearing people would not be able to get out of the app | 23:49 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, because when the phone is asleep, the last app you were in is also at least 3 actions away, that'S just too much | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: IIRC from the history of Harmattan blog post | 23:50 |
| pawky | It doesn't seem to synk all calendars from a N9, right I can only se one out of 2... :-( | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | they were using some scientific theory in the beginning but dumped that in the end | 23:50 |
| chem|st | yeah that returning to last app is missing very much | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | mark my words, they just want people to get used to the gestures :) | 23:51 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: for n9 yes they kept the basics of it... less buttons | 23:51 |
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| bennypr0fane | *fewer* buttons | 23:51 |
| chem|st | but that is what silica has... the pulls and swipes for things you previously needed to hit a 5x5mm square | 23:52 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky syncing is really still rather poor | 23:52 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, that's what I really love the most about it | 23:52 |
| chem|st | pawky: you managed to sync calendars? never worked for me... no notes no calendars | 23:53 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: and how about week view and day view??? | 23:53 |
| chem|st | so I got to go... | 23:53 |
| chem|st | o/ | 23:53 |
| pawky | chem|st: well the birthdays ended up in the new phone (luckily...) | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | |o--| night :) | 23:54 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky yeah, the calendar too, it's a bit of bummer | 23:54 |
| bennypr0fane | it'S got a long way to go yet | 23:54 |
| bennypr0fane | it feels a bit like they're having to reinvent the wheel there. | 23:55 |
| Pnuu | bennypr0fane: that last app open -thingy might be fixed in the next update | 23:55 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: well a good calendar is a 'must have' on a phone i think... | 23:55 |
| bennypr0fane | Pnuu how d'you know? | 23:55 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky, agree | 23:55 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/472/after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/ | 23:55 |
| Pnuu | bennypr0fane: check the first answer | 23:56 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: on the N9 you have apt, what do you use on a jolla? | 23:56 |
| Pnuu | pkcon | 23:56 |
| bennypr0fane | Id' have expected stuff to be easy to port from Meego, and already-mature solutions to be readily available from the start bceause they could just move it over. | 23:56 |
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| pawky | bennypr0fane: ehh.. no wget to be found? | 23:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | but Sailfish feels like apart from the UI they've also been redoing everything else from scratc | 23:58 |
| bennypr0fane | *h | 23:58 |
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| Pnuu | pawky: curl -O | 23:58 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky no idea. I've only entered 2 commands in terminal so far | 23:58 |
| bennypr0fane | for disabling the nfc chip | 23:58 |
| special | bennypr0fane: the middleware is pretty similar. | 23:58 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: duh... is it on by default? | 23:58 |
| bennypr0fane | pawky yes. bug. | 23:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | disabling that will be good for yr battery life | 23:59 |
| pawky | bennypr0fane: info? | 23:59 |
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