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| iiska | Strangest thing happened last night. I had plugged in the charger at evening, but still battery had drained empty during night | 04:27 |
| iiska | Okay, it's propably related to this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3554/phone-shutdown-over-nightly-charging/ | 04:28 |
| iiska | Good thing I was lucky enough to wake up in the middle of night for some odd reason, and checked phone then so I didn't miss any alarms. :-) | 04:33 |
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| ShadowJK | oh if jolla was only a little bit bigger, it'd fit the stock N810 pouch/cover perfectly | 05:32 |
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| Nicd- | does anyone else have android app icons disappear from the.app grid? | 05:53 |
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| Nicd- | my reddit app, google+, youtube, google play have disappeared one at a time | 05:55 |
| Nicd- | google play came back on its own though | 05:55 |
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| tabasko | anyone else got their calendar crashing when trying to add reminder etc? | 06:35 |
| tabasko | started do this after last update | 06:35 |
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| tabasko | tried to remove config file ~/.config/nemo/nemo-calendar* and reinstall it couple times but nothinh | 06:42 |
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| pp_ | su | 07:20 |
| pp_ | errr | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | so close | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:20 |
| tbr | pfff, no password? | 07:21 |
| AL13N | and yet so far away | 07:21 |
| AL13N | tbr: "errr" | 07:21 |
| tbr | rrriiiiight | 07:21 |
| AL13N | some people have some bad passwords... | 07:23 |
| tbr | hunter2, _the_ safe password. | 07:24 |
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| AL13N | tbr: not anymore | 07:27 |
| * AL13N is thinking of "horse battery staple thing" | 07:27 | |
| Yaniel | correct horse battery staple | 07:28 |
| AL13N | yes, that | 07:28 |
| Yaniel | https://xkcd.com/936/ | 07:28 |
| * tbr uses xkcd-passwords at work, produces all sorts of fun results | 07:28 | |
| AL13N | heh | 07:29 |
| tbr | especially the WTF look on people's faces when I type it in | 07:29 |
| * tbr is a touch typist | 07:29 | |
| atlaz | Man i love the spanish. I have a business aquintance from Spain who develops software. I mailed him 2 months ago, that we need a printing-ability for his software before he comes to Finland. | 07:29 |
| atlaz | "Ok i already make. Very ready." | 07:29 |
| atlaz | He just arrived, i gave him a printer. "Ok i just configure." | 07:29 |
| atlaz | His screen is on the wall.. he is FRIGGIN CODING THE PRINTER SUPPORT AS WE SPEAK | 07:30 |
| atlaz | 20min before the presentation | 07:30 |
| AL13N | lol | 07:30 |
| tbr | :D | 07:30 |
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| AL13N | "configure"... nice | 07:31 |
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| tbr | well ./configure; make; make install - isn't it? ;) | 07:31 |
| atlaz | Oh wow, he seems to pull the code out from his ass... or he is a really talented coder. He's got it printing _Something_ already | 07:31 |
| krig | atlaz: haha :D | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: probably just using qt and adding a method | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:32 |
| AL13N | "hmm, stuff don't appear well" ... fiddle here, fiddle there | 07:32 |
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| Guest84605 | moin | 08:07 |
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| Guest84605 | sitting in the bus - hacking qml and deploying to phone. I like it | 08:08 |
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| arkkipiiska | hey, any idea how I can get to send menu from gallery when I've selected multiple pictures? | 08:17 |
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| arkkipiiska | only deleting several at once seems possible from the meny below and the menu on the top gives me only select all and clear all | 08:31 |
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| stephg | Nicd-: if you're still there mine did that on updates it seems, back after a reboot tho' | 08:42 |
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| Frye | Nicd-, I have them disappearing too. And it seems to be related to that app having an update available. Once updated via play store the icons are back. | 08:54 |
| tachikoma | i just ran in an interesting problem | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 08:54 |
| tachikoma | the time between the mer build engine and the host system running qt creator went out of sync by some seconds | 08:54 |
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| tachikoma | that caused the build to go nuts, it completed but recent changes were not in | 08:54 |
| tachikoma | and i thought it's my code, just restarting the build guest | 08:55 |
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| ggabriel | morning | 09:24 |
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| Venemo_j | hey! | 10:37 |
| Kiranos_ | If I order a phone today, anyone know if the waiting time is lower today than 4-5weeks? | 10:38 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos_: the website says 3-4 weeks | 10:39 |
| Kiranos_ | ok nice. Maybe I'll order soon | 10:39 |
| Kiranos_ | still want a bit more stable Os for my main phonme | 10:39 |
| Kiranos_ | phone | 10:39 |
| Venemo_j | hint: patience is a virtue | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos_: fair enough, i'm still using the n9 as main phone | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | but getting gradually quite used to the jolla | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | just waiting for a few things here and there | 10:40 |
| Venemo_j | thanks for crossing your fingers! | 10:40 |
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| Venemo_j | I passed the exam!!! :) | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: how did it go? | 10:40 |
| faenil | Venemo_j, wohooo :D | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | you get the result so quickly? | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | oh, yeah, actually, that's the way it used to work for me :P | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_j: congrats | 10:41 |
| ggabriel | can you calculate how to put satellites in orbit now? :) | 10:41 |
| Pnuu | Venemo_j: shame it wasn't chemistry, I would've seid "well, it's elementary" | 10:44 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: ping | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: pong | 11:02 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: so, I'm a bit confused here. when I turn off the screen I get disconnected a few minutes later. However since the IRC server sends regular ping messages, w00t said that the incoming packets will wake it up | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_j: that's a rather complex topic i need to answer later | 11:05 |
| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: okay, shall I ping you later, or will you ping me? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | ping me later but not to late | 11:06 |
| Venemo_j | okay! :) | 11:06 |
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| Venemo_j | hey stezz :) | 11:07 |
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| Venemo_j | stezz: sorry for my jackassness on that browser thread on together! | 11:11 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo_j: don't worry, stezz is a tough guy ;-) | 11:14 |
| Venemo_j | still, I should've been more polite | 11:15 |
| Kiranos_ | toether should have someone making a weekly digest of the most "important" (voited/viewed) topics | 11:15 |
| Kiranos_ | damn cant spell for shit :P | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | doesn't it have a [faulty] email alert facility? | 11:16 |
| Venemo_j | Kiranos_: I use my profile page for that purpose :P | 11:17 |
| fk_lx | Kiranos_: that could create a bubble of the same topics like : topic of the week -> everyone enters and views/votes -> topic becames topic of the next week also | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: good point | 11:17 |
| Kiranos_ | fk_lx: yea it might | 11:17 |
| Kiranos_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/11864/sending-emails-via-3ggsm/, imo comment 1 is the answer | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos_: dunno... JonzJonz confirmed that he isn't using any of those ports | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | i can't try as my carrier is 3g/lte only | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | well, i'd have to use a work sim card, which i'd have to configure and i really can't be asked :) | 11:21 |
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| Kiranos_ | ggabriel: questions like these: https://together.jolla.com/question/11957/steam-support/ shouldnt they be answered with something like, it up to the service provider of said project or community | 11:30 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | Kiranos_: yup - i answered the swype one myself with that, and the shazam one | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | well, my opinion anyway | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | however, it's a good thing that jolla has visibility of these | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | for future reference | 11:32 |
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| ggabriel | maybe a manufacturer want to make a special device and they can be told that folks are interested in swype for instance | 11:32 |
| Yaniel | IIRC there is a library floating around at least in arch linux repos for doing just what was requested there | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | so they can include that etc etc | 11:33 |
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| nadriel | .. | 11:35 |
| nadriel | My Jolla went crazy. Blinking problem with conection and doesn't do anything else.. | 11:35 |
| nadriel | Well it does, but darned slow. | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | what's battery level? | 11:35 |
| nadriel | 8x% | 11:36 |
| nadriel | Oh 79 now | 11:36 |
| nadriel | 3G on and wifi | 11:36 |
| nadriel | Trying to access settings to set 3g off.. | 11:36 |
| ballock | Can't use a bluetooth keyboard, though paired... I guess this is not implemented yet? | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | ballock: you can vote here: https://together.jolla.com/question/1308/bluetooth-keyboard-support/ | 11:39 |
| ballock | ok, thanks | 11:40 |
| nadriel | This is unpossible.. Reboot time. | 11:41 |
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| nadriel | Tried to remove SIM, but all that happened was a new notification windows that if I want to use SIM I need to reboot. Aaaand it froze. | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | nadriel: weelll, we've been told that jolla expects the phone to be off for sim replacement :) there's a question in tjc for that | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | i had a similar problem tho | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | except that my phone crashed badly and i had to replace the battery | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | i think it's known, it's related to wlan vs mobile data connectivity | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | and there's a question in tjc for that too | 11:44 |
| nadriel | Well only way to reboot was to remove battery | 11:44 |
| nadriel | Every time it changes from mobile to wlan. or a problem with mobile phone stops to think for a while.. | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | and you were basically trying to go from mobile datat to wlan? | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | nadriel: interesting | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | you can try this next time: access the jolla store and search for something, see if it comes back to wlan | 11:45 |
| nadriel | I think the phone tried to do that. All I did do was get home from school and take it out of pocket. | 11:45 |
| faenil | nadriel, is it like trying to connect in a loop? | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | do you have a hidden ssid? | 11:45 |
| nadriel | I think so. | 11:45 |
| faenil | and you get an endless loop of "Problem with connection" ? | 11:45 |
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| nadriel | Notification in upper side of screen says problem with connection. | 11:46 |
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| nadriel | And icons showed that it was with mobile data. | 11:46 |
| nadriel | WLAN icon was not visible at the time. | 11:46 |
| nadriel | reboot fixed it | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | where do user ambiences get saved to? | 11:52 |
| stezz | Venemo_j: I thought you very mostly polite ;) I have dealt with way less polite feedback ;_) | 11:52 |
| stezz | I had been working in support for big IT systems | 11:53 |
| stezz | in the past | 11:53 |
| stezz | my bones are thick ;) | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: /usr/share/ambience i think | 11:53 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: seems not to be | 11:54 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: i've just found mine | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | and all the settings + images | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | /usr/share/ambience/ambience-snow-white | 11:55 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: seems to be not saved somewhere at all... as if you delete the image it is made of the ambience disappears | 11:55 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: user ambiences not factory | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: ok, dunno about that | 11:56 |
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| AL13N | oooh, nice | 11:58 |
| AL13N | https://together.jolla.com/question/12022/patch-for-lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-to-support-any-framebuffer-orientation/ | 11:58 |
| AL13N | someone made a patch! | 11:58 |
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| valdur55 | it was coderus :) | 11:58 |
| AL13N | yes | 11:58 |
| chem|st | We need an advanced ambience creator, with colour chooser and stuff... I have a grey blueish picture where I get yellow as base colour... as of some pixels in the middle are yellow-ish | 11:58 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: i've seen a guide to createing ambience | 11:59 |
| chem|st | AL13N: you have seen the dark side of the moon! | 11:59 |
| chem|st | AL13N: I know how to create ambiences... but I don't want to powerup gimp any time I want to have a new background but the colours are bad | 12:00 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: well, isn't that why the phone has this thing where you take a picture and on that basis it creates an ambience? | 12:01 |
| AL13N | imho if you need more details, you can fire up gimp | 12:01 |
| AL13N | either that, or someone makes an app for it | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: yup, there has to be a more advanced manager | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | did you try to grep -r / ? :) | 12:03 |
| AL13N | ? | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | well, there's a config file for each ambience in /usr/share/ambience | 12:04 |
| AL13N | ic | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure one of those keys will be unique | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | *if* custom ambiences are saved somewhere, sudo grep -r [something] / should yield some results | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | maybe add 2>/dev/null too | 12:04 |
| AL13N | ic | 12:04 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: if you like a app-request ambience editor --> together.jolla.com | 12:05 |
| AL13N | now going back to bed | 12:05 |
| chem|st | omg stupid together... some lads are living in their little cosmos for real! | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | anybody with random shutdowns? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | or reboots | 12:11 |
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| TheBootroo | Ohai ! | 12:26 |
| TheBootroo | Ohai ! | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 12:26 |
| tbr | moooo | 12:26 |
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| TheBootroo | I've several issues with videos on my Jolla : MKV are read but cannot be seeked, I've image in H264 (works) and sound in AAC or AC3 (only AAC works), most of my avi files (dvix) have a thumbnail but when i click play, i have no image, just sound, and FLV aren't even detected be galery | 12:27 |
| tachikoma | sounds like fun | 12:28 |
| TheBootroo | i installed VLC for android which can read all but it can't access my sdcard | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: together.* for bugs, but, some codecs are not supported | 12:28 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: GStreamer used ? | 12:28 |
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| TheBootroo | so we could just install the right gstreamer-plugin-*** | 12:28 |
| tbr | yes | 12:29 |
| TheBootroo | are you working on adding them to the next update ? | 12:29 |
| pdanek | TheBootroo: hopefully we will have native VLC | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: it's not as easy as that, go look at royalties for codecs.. | 12:29 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: I suspect 'missing' codecs are missing for royalty reasons | 12:29 |
| pdanek | VLC is in Qt after all. | 12:29 |
| * TheBootroo wonders why some video can be thumbnailed but there is no image when played | 12:29 | |
| tbr | so building soft-codecs might be the better option | 12:29 |
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| TheBootroo | tbr: can be installed be user after boot from the store ? like on ubuntu, not installed be default but installable from store | 12:30 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: not store, but from repositories | 12:30 |
| TheBootroo | pdanek: would need a Sailfish QML ui to be really usable | 12:30 |
| tbr | e.g. the chum community repository | 12:30 |
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| TheBootroo | tbr: which ones ? | 12:30 |
| TheBootroo | how can i try to add them ? | 12:31 |
| tbr | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.2.5 - is open for submissions | 12:31 |
| TheBootroo | i have my jolla, dev mode, and 3G active i can test | 12:31 |
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| TheBootroo | no gstreamer on this link tbr | 12:32 |
| TheBootroo | couldn't we get the rpm from the repos of a linux distro that uses RPM ? like fedora ? | 12:32 |
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| TheBootroo | and gallery not even seeing .flv seems like a bad file pattern filter to me | 12:33 |
| TheBootroo | codec is middleware so it's nemo stuff ? | 12:34 |
| tachikoma | does fedore have armv7hl packages? | 12:35 |
| tbr | you can just rebuild the existing gstreamer packages but with more codecs enabled | 12:35 |
| kelvan | porting gstreamer ugly *should* be easy, maybe I'll have a look after the exams | 12:35 |
| mcfrisk | TheBootroo: I see similar video code issues. Sometimes there's thumbnail but no video, might also be a resolution or fps issue since videos originally made for n810 | 12:35 |
| tbr | hint: those _are_ _already_ packaged | 12:35 |
| tbr | for mer/nemo | 12:35 |
| tachikoma | tbr: so just some config change and rebuild needed? | 12:35 |
| tbr | likely | 12:36 |
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| TheBootroo | tbr: can't find them, maybe i'm not looking right | 12:36 |
| kelvan | ok porting is the wrong word :) | 12:36 |
| tachikoma | sounds fair to me | 12:36 |
| tbr | again, please do that on OBS and then poke me so that I can include such things in the chum repo | 12:36 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: same problem here - finding something for sailfishos is really a pain sometimes, even when i know it exists. It seems like google deliberatly shows me irrelevant stuff when looking | 12:36 |
| tbr | people just need to start using OBS and submitting to chum :) | 12:37 |
| kelvan | tachikoma: fullack | 12:38 |
| TheBootroo | tbr: why not harbour directly ? | 12:38 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: because some things can't go to harbour | 12:38 |
| tbr | harbour is the preferred place | 12:38 |
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| tbr | but for those things that are open source and can't go there → chum | 12:39 |
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| tbr | or before they are accepted to harbour → chum | 12:39 |
| TheBootroo | jolla uses packagekit as RPM abstraction ? | 12:40 |
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| TheBootroo | so it could do like ubuntu/totem does, when trying to load a new video with missing codecs, throw a package kit dialog to ask user to install the missing stuff automatically | 12:40 |
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| TheBootroo | or else, separate gallery from video and port VLC | 12:41 |
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| tachikoma | i want mplayer :) | 12:41 |
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| tachikoma | did any of you already experienced the clocks of the mer guest and the host system running out of sync in the sdk? | 12:42 |
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| mcfrisk | tachikoma: I too want mplayer and file manager binding for it | 12:47 |
| tachikoma | you want to use a file browser to find a file and then click on it and when it is a media file - it will be played? | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | that is sooooo 1990 ;) | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | i want norton commander | 12:49 |
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| pp_ | xbmc! | 12:49 |
| tachikoma | today you have broken implementation using tags, databases, some rellay crappy ui stuff and many bugs to make your media experience as torturing as possible. | 12:50 |
| tachikoma | aka itunes ;) | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | for my part i need : proper video (dvix and mkv) reading if possible with chapters, 4G LTE activated, wifi / usb tethering, proper GCalendar mutli-agenda sync, better SDcard integration | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | and all will be perfect for my use | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | proper GCalendar mutli-agenda sync = caldav? | 12:51 |
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| Milo- | TheBootroo you need too much. | 12:51 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: yeah as MFE doesn't seem to work | 12:51 |
| * ggabriel prefers open protocols to communicate to closed services.... | 12:51 | |
| tbr | ggabriel: someone was porting the open-suse midnight-commander package, it had many dependencies though | 12:51 |
| pp_ | two-way google calendar sync and a bit less general bugginess and I'm happy | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | tbr: i was kinda joking | 12:52 |
| tbr | ggabriel: I wasn't :D | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | pp_: +1 | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | i think that's the only thing i need tbh | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | i'm getting quite used to tidings, which was the other thing i needed | 12:52 |
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| tachikoma | oh it's wish hour :) I want: world domina^H^H^H^H^H^H peace!!! | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | lte would be nice, but happy to jump to jolla as main phone with caldav | 12:52 |
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| pp_ | LTE would be a bonus, but... I'm sure it's a battery suck, and I'd have to get a more expensive plan to actually use it | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | pp_: well, i've got it already, it's too tempting | 12:52 |
| TheBootroo | sdcard support for Android apps, as VLC is nearly dumb if it can't acess my 64GB uSD | 12:53 |
| tbr | that should be just a symlink or a bind mount away, no? | 12:53 |
| tachikoma | why do you always have to bring your blueray rips with you TheBootroo ;) | 12:53 |
| TheBootroo | tbr: i made a symlink of my sdcard in my home, and a link of my home in android folder, vlc sees my link of home, but not the sdcard one | 12:54 |
| Kiranos_ | no tv out right? | 12:54 |
| Kiranos_ | netflix is good enought | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | wierd, surely because it's different drive | 12:54 |
| tbr | could be also access rights | 12:54 |
| tbr | keep in mind that android apps run as different UID | 12:54 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: because i love to rewatch my concerts while taking train daily | 12:54 |
| chem|st | nokia soundscape does not play sound... (video) | 12:54 |
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| tachikoma | i mainly need usb host / otg whatever the mode is called that lets me plugin usb hardware and use it | 12:55 |
| TheBootroo | tbr: i put 777 in sdcard but it still doesn't see the link | 12:55 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: don;tn take me seriously, i was joking ;) | 12:55 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: not me | 12:55 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 12:55 |
| tachikoma | good :) | 12:55 |
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| tachikoma | i want to see if i can get my usb => dvi adapter working | 12:55 |
| tachikoma | that really would add usefullness | 12:56 |
| TheBootroo | a little more gstreamer codec OR a vlc port would be fine | 12:56 |
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| tachikoma | then some docking station connecting as toh with a monitor | 12:56 |
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| TheBootroo | vlc is better cause it can handle chapters and subtitles in MKV | 12:56 |
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| tachikoma | anybody already thought about something like this one combined laptop/smartphone solution? | 12:57 |
| tbr | TheBootroo: if it's vfat or exfat, then also the mount options are important not only chown | 12:57 |
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| TheBootroo | tbr: it was mounted automaticcly | 12:57 |
| tbr | that doesn't say _anything_ | 12:57 |
| TheBootroo | it's fat32, as exfat doesn't work and ext4 was not mounted | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | i would have prefered ext4 | 12:58 |
| Milo- | that doesn't even make sense. | 12:58 |
| TheBootroo | but it's not automounted and so it's annoying as hell to use for me | 12:58 |
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| TheBootroo | so yes, much better SDcard handling in next update would be appreciated | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | TheBootroo, sorry I missed the beginning of the discussion | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | Kabouik: hey | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | Are you saying you would like ext4 for your sd if it was automounted? | 12:59 |
| TheBootroo | Kabouik: yep, ext4 or even btrfs | 12:59 |
| Milo- | ... | 13:00 |
| roboro | someone mentioned xbmc... anyone know if the android yatse app works? | 13:00 |
| TheBootroo | my laptop used linux so it could read / write it without issue | 13:00 |
| * roboro is still waiting for his Jolla phone | 13:00 | |
| Milo- | TheBootroo then create the partition in that sdcard *as* ext4 or btrfs | 13:00 |
| Milo- | you can't mount vfat as ext4 or btrfs. | 13:00 |
| Kabouik | So there's a solution TheBootroo, I've got mine in ext4 and it's automounted | 13:00 |
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| TheBootroo | Milo-: i'm not dumb, thx | 13:01 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | tethering app seems to be in the store | 13:01 |
| Kabouik | I just have to find the mount options and put it in pastebin for you | 13:01 |
| TheBootroo | Kabouik: yea but then you have to tweak fstab and i would REALLY prefer to avoid this | 13:01 |
| tachikoma | should they not be listed when typing just 'mount' or 'df' ? | 13:01 |
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| Kabouik | Ah, yes, then you have to edit that TheBootroo | 13:02 |
| Kabouik | However I have not had any issue since I did the trick | 13:02 |
| TheBootroo | i tried the card as soon as i got it, it was exfat, didn't worked, i formatted it to ext4, didn't worked, so i tried ntfs, didn't worked, so i fallback to fat32 and then it worked, automounted by phone as soon as plugged, without needing reboot or command line | 13:02 |
| Kabouik | Yeah fat32 works, and works too for 64 GB cards (it's not the case with exFAT, that's why I had to reformat myself) | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | HarhaanJohtaja: thx for the tip, installing it | 13:04 |
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| Kabouik | I chose ext4 because there is no mkfs vfat in the Jolla, and to avoid the 4 GB file size limitation | 13:04 |
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| TheBootroo | Kabouik: yeah sure ext4 is better, also for speed | 13:05 |
| Kabouik | I can share the content of my fstab file in case you change your mind, got it from somebody here | 13:05 |
| TheBootroo | but how did you avoided fs to be mounted as readonly for nemo user, due to ext4 having permissions? | 13:05 |
| Kabouik | I have no idea, can only confirm that nemo has write permissions on it :p | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | cool | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | no way to convert a fat32 to ext4 without reformatting ? not really happy to have to retransfer 20GB of videos both ways :-S | 13:07 |
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| netzvieh | TheBootroo: nope | 13:08 |
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| netzvieh | TheBootroo: why should it be ro for nemo just because its ext4? | 13:09 |
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| Kabouik | Well it's not the fstab file which was edited in my case TheBootroo | 13:10 |
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| Kabouik | Just have to find which one it was :p | 13:11 |
| AntiHawk | hello everyone, I've interesting problem to report: yeasterday I was using my jolla normally ended up with 76% of charge left when I arrived at home, after 20 mins of use I was down to 60% then after 1 hour of idle time phone was dead, booted up and 1% of charge then it gets interesting after just 5 mins of plugged in on charger, charge was back to 50% unplugged and after 10 mins of use again at 4%, today seems the same... Wh | 13:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning : | 13:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 13:11 |
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| TheBootroo | netzvieh: because ext4 has permissions, so if i use my desktop user thebootroo:thebootroo to create partitions and folders with 644 filemode, nemo on jolla will have readonly access | 13:16 |
| tachikoma | AntiHawk: same here | 13:16 |
| tachikoma | some days it uses 20% battery for 8 hours idle - sometimes its down from 100 to 20 withing 2 hours | 13:16 |
| Pnuu | tachikoma, AntiHawk: with tohd.service on of off? | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | on or off | 13:18 |
| AntiHawk | tohd is off with stop | 13:18 |
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| tachikoma | Pnuu: in the default state after delivery | 13:18 |
| tachikoma | plus update from some days ago | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | AntiHawk: developer mode on? do you have /var/systemlog ? | 13:19 |
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| tbr | IIRC there was a nice patch to make ext4 behave like all files were 666 and dirs 777 | 13:20 |
| tbr | or was that even merged by now | 13:20 |
| tachikoma | mh, weird, i can't su anymore to root using the password defined in the developer mode settings dialog | 13:21 |
| entil | o_O http://meetthebrick.com/ | 13:21 |
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| tbr | tachikoma: devel-su not su | 13:22 |
| tachikoma | ah, yes, working | 13:23 |
| tachikoma | now i forgot why i needed to be root ... | 13:23 |
| AntiHawk | Stskeeps: Developer mode is on, I will gather the logs later...still need to work few hours :) I have suspected the hotspot app that I installed 2 weeks ago, but I've been using since then without problems... | 13:24 |
| Nicd- | Frye: some of my icons disappeared *after* updated from the play store :P | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | fsck my modem is offline again... | 13:25 |
| chem|st | no 3G no 2G... | 13:26 |
| sremes | Nicd-: I think I've had that too, that the android apps' icons sometimes disappear for a time etc. | 13:26 |
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| mikma | question: my jolla lost all my google contacts when i switched language(?). i even updated the google account login and password and still it won't sync the contacts. what to do next? | 13:29 |
| chem|st | will check outside... but the reception in my office should be acceptable not offline... | 13:29 |
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| Kabouik | TheBootroo, here's what I got in /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh, which allowed automount of ext4 sd: http://pastebin.com/rWcf3BVj | 13:30 |
| Kabouik | Got it from someone here and have had no issue so far | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | Kabouik: i would like to mount it elsewhere, so that android apps with different uid can use it too | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | mount on /run/user/xxxxx is too much restrictive | 13:31 |
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| TheBootroo | but i don't know jolla will still find my content in gallery if not there | 13:32 |
| Kabouik | Cannot say | 13:33 |
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| TheBootroo | does someone know where/how to mount sdcard so android apps can see it | 13:35 |
| TheBootroo | ? | 13:35 |
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| Pnuu | TheBootroo: have you checked together? | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | just to be on the right side... my gsm-modem locked up three times now -> is it software or hardware? rebooting helps flight-mode not | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | self-cut or vendor cut sim | 13:43 |
| chem|st | vendor | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: /system/bin/logcat -b radio | 13:44 |
| chem|st | it does not tell anything about missing sim | 13:44 |
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| tbr | I've had the modem blow up with a _special_ sim at 30C3, but that's quite likely unrelated | 13:48 |
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| chem|st | my settings cover is empty... | 13:50 |
| mikma | oh, that explains why my jolla didn't sync google contacts. i deleted them from my old phone (samsung) and the phone deleted the contacts from google. thanks! good thing google offers 30 day restore | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/6ZUfCW33 | 13:53 |
| Waitee | i just exported my contacts as a file from my android phone | 13:53 |
| tachikoma | chem|st: same here, problem occurs repeatedly ion certain areas | 13:53 |
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| Waitee | and imported the file in jolla | 13:53 |
| tachikoma | funny enough the same happened with the n900, so i blame the provider | 13:53 |
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| mikma | waitee: but the whole "feature" as in "i'm gonna delete this from my phone -> oh, you deleted it from google also" is.. ewww | 13:54 |
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| Waitee | yeah :D | 13:54 |
| Waitee | i agree | 13:54 |
| tachikoma | mikma: in a perfect world that would be what i expect | 13:55 |
| mikma | aaaaaaaaand that's why i hate android+samsung. mainly samsung | 13:55 |
| Waitee | at least it should note you that you are deleting the contacts from google servers also | 13:55 |
| mikma | tachikoma: i expected it just to remove them from the phone, like good ol' days | 13:55 |
| mikma | but, that's the sync feature there | 13:56 |
| tachikoma | yepp | 13:56 |
| Waitee | i just cant help reading tachikomas messages in a tachikoma voice | 13:56 |
| chem|st | Waitee: people are trying to move hell to get contacts in sync and you complain about problems when unsyncing... how retarded is that? when I delete something from my phone I don't want it back after syncing, sorry to be harsh | 13:56 |
| tachikoma | Waitee: rotfl | 13:56 |
| tachikoma | what chem|st says is the reason why i expect it to be deleted | 13:57 |
| chem|st | tachikoma: seeing your nick makes me wanna do a GITS SOC weekend | 13:57 |
| tachikoma | just ... do ... it ;) | 13:57 |
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| tachikoma | i use sync to sync stuff across several devices. If some would delete in sync and other would not - that would be hell | 13:58 |
| tachikoma | i even used imap once to store my adresses as all other tools were so horribly broken | 13:59 |
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| tachikoma | just each adress as one mail | 13:59 |
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| mikma | eventho i get chem|st's point, i myself like the idea that the contacts are stored somewhere where they are "easy to operate", meaning i can modify them, add emails and such, delete them, and all those changes would be synched when i want them to be. not phone modifying them | 14:00 |
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| tachikoma | what dod you do when someone sends an adress via sms to your phone? | 14:00 |
| tachikoma | drop it or create it | 14:01 |
| mikma | i'm still writing them out in textfile stored in safe | 14:01 |
| mikma | cause, emails and phone numbers are the only things i'm interested at with google contacts. nsa scares me too much to add addresses | 14:02 |
| mikma | sure they snoop everything out with the two infos already, but don't wanna make it easier on them ;D | 14:02 |
| mikma | so, pretty much: contacts.jolla.com, go! | 14:03 |
| Andy80 | is there any know SailfishOS update bug? I just got the notification of 1.0.2.5 available but I installed it days ago... | 14:03 |
| Pnuu | Andy80: https://together.jolla.com/question/5184/1025-update-notification-received-again-although-update-already-installed/ | 14:06 |
| stephg | TheBootroo: re: formatting and copying 20GB, if you have > 20GB free space you can shrink one, create a new, move the files and then grow the new | 14:08 |
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| TheBootroo | stephg: i have 64gb, but shrink + grow is not always 100% safe for data consistency | 14:10 |
| TheBootroo | so i will most likely wait for update, then save my card, reformat it and put all back on it | 14:10 |
| TheBootroo | maybe when formatted in ext4 putting data on it will be much more faster | 14:11 |
| stephg | TheBootroo: shrink and grow will be fine, certainly the growing ext4 side | 14:11 |
| stephg | fat32 well it's fat32 ;) | 14:11 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 14:11 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: and after the reboot are all sdcard files gone again | 14:14 |
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| Tofe | Morning | 14:16 |
| stephg | Afternoon Tofe | 14:17 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: may I complain about some lacks in the citybike'me app ? | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: yep | 14:17 |
| TheBootroo | fell free to criticize constructively | 14:17 |
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| Tofe | TheBootroo: ok, let me organize my answer a bit | 14:17 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: First I'd like the app to remember the last station I surveyed | 14:18 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: yeah i'm thinking about adding history and bookmarks | 14:19 |
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| Tofe | Second, I'd like to... ok you're already thinking about my second point | 14:19 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 14:19 |
| Tofe | Third, I think the cover view may be more useful when not counting time, i.e. showing empty/available places | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | maybe show the one of the current station | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo | i can do that yeah | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo | makes sense | 14:21 |
| Tofe | one last point, not sure of it: does the counter use a lot of battery power ? Maybe a 10s refresh would be far enough... what is your opinion ? | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: the counter used to consume a lot of CPU/PW | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | but i has been fixed before harbour accepted it | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | so now everything is right on this side | 14:23 |
| Tofe | ok good; because usually they advice to put things on cover that rarely need an update. Put updating a simple timer shouldn't be much of a worry, I guess. | 14:23 |
| Tofe | But* | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | some apps do it actually | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | jolla apps | 14:24 |
| Tofe | oh ? | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | e.g; the Alarms app has timers on cover | 14:24 |
| Tofe | ah yes right | 14:24 |
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| TheBootroo | if you use chronometer | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | you have msecs on cover | 14:25 |
| TheBootroo | so shouldn't really be an issue to have seconds | 14:25 |
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| Tofe | yep | 14:26 |
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| Tofe | Well well. I'm a bit out of complaints now. | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | nice | 14:27 |
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| TheBootroo | Tofe: which city contract are you using ? | 14:27 |
| Tofe | Paris | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | oh cool | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | Vélib | 14:27 |
| Tofe | yep | 14:27 |
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| TheBootroo | i was happy to see another french from Lyon in the harbour comments | 14:28 |
| Tofe | :) | 14:28 |
| TheBootroo | downloaded 404 times | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | (not found?) | 14:29 |
| Tofe | That's a good score ! Though we can still afford to try all the apps on the store right now ;) | 14:29 |
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| TheBootroo | Morpheus is the other Lyon guy | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo | not seen on this chan afiak | 14:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: maybe too busy hacking the Matrix | 14:31 |
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| TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: sure.... | 14:31 |
| TheBootroo | XD | 14:31 |
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| Tofe | Right now I'm thinking of a way to publish a little news on linuxfr.org; but it could be that the comments will be heavily oriented towards the free/non free questions, so I don't know if it's worth it | 14:34 |
| TheBootroo | one things that pisses me off, when i start Store or Browser, mobile data connects as soon app is loaded but that makes the first loading fail (browser sees no connection, store says it's unavailable), then connection is ready and i can refresh correctly | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: good luck discussing the "open" question... | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: i saw folks from linux distros referring to sailfish as not fully open, and yet they have custom kernels for the raspi with closed components because qualcomm | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | but it can go on forever... there was one such discussion at tmo too | 14:35 |
| Pnuu | surprise.. | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: :) | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: because broadcom. But yes | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: true in the raspi case, sorry | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | An actual map of the free/non-free components would be good. Like someone made back http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages - related | 14:45 |
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| mikma | https://together.jolla.com/question/11949/black-and-white-ambiences/ <- mm, lovely! | 14:48 |
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| viq | Stskeeps: I hope to drop by on the 30th to the presentation ;) Will you be bringing just Jolla, or other devices too? | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | viq: hmm let's see what the corporate hivemind lets me | 15:06 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: any date for the big update ? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: when it's ready | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | also, aren't most of our updates big.. | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| viq | Stskeeps: fair enough | 15:07 |
| amixpb | Still waiting for my Jolla phone! | 15:07 |
| TheBootroo | Soon (TM) | 15:07 |
| mikma | stskeeps: play WoW much? :D | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: nop | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm more of a civ person | 15:08 |
| Nicd- | TheBootroo: here you go: â„¢ | 15:08 |
| mikma | blizzard was always giving that answer when people were asking ETA for patches | 15:08 |
| amixpb | anyone tried MorphOS on a ppc mac here? | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo | Nicd-: thanks a lot, you saved my life | 15:08 |
| amixpb | :) | 15:08 |
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| krnlyng | Stskeeps: do you know what part of sailfish is responsible for drawing the usb menu to choose between charging only and so on when connecting a usb cable to the device? (sorry i don't know who to ask) | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | krnlyng: usbmoded is the backend, the foreground i'm not 100% sure of | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | it might be lipstick jolla home | 15:10 |
| Aard | it is l-j-h, and there's qmsystem between moded and lipstick | 15:12 |
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| krnlyng | Aard: thanks | 15:17 |
| krnlyng | i am trying to figure out the rotation issue on the n9 | 15:17 |
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| TheBootroo | the "Connection issue" notification banner make all my jolla ui lag as hell | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo | screen is like frozen | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | I don't think it's the banner per se | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | I think it's trying to reconnect many times per second | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | the connection issue is evil | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | that has happened to me too | 15:26 |
| TheBootroo | pretty anooying | 15:26 |
| stephg | yup | 15:26 |
| TheBootroo | hope it's known bug and being fixed atm$ | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | super known :) | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | well, at least in tjc | 15:26 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: any reason for the pin code dialog to not use my ambience ? | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: screenshot? | 15:28 |
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| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: well, pin code dialog at startup is white with black text | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 15:29 |
| TheBootroo | not using my theme (dark blue with white text) | 15:29 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: not a feature ? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 15:29 |
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| Pnuu | same for me | 15:30 |
| veskuh | Its on purpose, so that you wont mix it up with lock code if you have one | 15:32 |
| valdur55 | krnlyng: coderus posted patch for this issue. | 15:33 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: oh nice | 15:33 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: do you have a link? | 15:34 |
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| valdur55 | https://together.jolla.com/question/12022/patch-for-lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-to-support-any-framebuffer-orientation/ .... it is better to way jolla's reaction | 15:35 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: Aard: you guys saw this, right ^^ ? | 15:36 |
| valdur55 | this link was also in #jollamobile | 15:36 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: does this lock the device in portrait mode? | 15:36 |
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| pawky | ALI13N: I did it! :-) I called Fedex and succeeded (i think...) to change the zip code. Thanks for the tip ;-) | 15:38 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 15:38 |
| pawky | AL13N: ^^ | 15:38 |
| AL13N | pawky: good for you, but i didn't think it would work :-) | 15:38 |
| AL13N | pawky: but i think TheBootroo was the one that did it before | 15:39 |
| AL13N | not sure though, might be someone else | 15:39 |
| valdur55 | krnlyng: read the link... : Patch fixing peek active area checkings, default notifications position, switcher item cover orientation and shutdown window orientation to match device framebuffer orientation. | 15:39 |
| pawky | oh... sorry, my backlog is to short ;-) | 15:39 |
| AL13N | pawky: it was like >3 weeks ago, i'd be surprised if you backscrolled that much | 15:41 |
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| pawky | AL13N, well... for these kind of logs i normally just call the NSA :-D | 15:41 |
| AL13N | myes... :-S | 15:41 |
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| Pnuu | I prefer to invoke grep :-P | 15:42 |
| valdur55 | krnlyng: i pasted one sed command into some chats... there is a reason for disabling all app's landscape mode. | 15:42 |
| valdur55 | almost all :D | 15:42 |
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| AL13N | valdur55: there was a UI bug and they didn't have time to figure it out, so it was disabled, (this is what i remember) | 15:43 |
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| valdur55 | krnlyng: link was on sailfishos :) | 15:46 |
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| AL13N | scary: https://together.jolla.com/question/4033/has-your-device-stopped-booting-or-otherwise-malfunctioned-upgrading-from-1005-or-10112-to-1025/ | 15:49 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: ping? | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: ~20 min, dinner time | 15:57 |
| Fawz1 | Stskeeps: saw your comment on together.jolla about a failed update... ah nv, dinner ;) | 15:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: enjoy your meal :) | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: pong | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | Fawz1: you need to try with recovery mode | 16:11 |
| Venemo | :) | 16:11 |
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| Fawz1 | Yep, that's what I was stuck with, couldn't connect with telnet. Worked now though, had to use telnet <ip> 23 instead of just telnet <ip> | 16:12 |
| Fawz1 | thanks :) | 16:12 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: so, we were talking about power management. the IRC app disconnects after some minutes if I turn off the screen and put the phone in my pocket - even though the IRC server sends regular ping messages and the app replies to them. w00t said that the network packets should wake up the device, so we don't need to care about this, but for some reason it still disconnects some minutes after the phone's screen is off | 16:16 |
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| clau2 | the power management seems to be creating a great deal of problems currently :( | 16:17 |
| Venemo | clau2: I don't think this is a problem, I only think that this is something I don't understand enough yet to deal with | 16:17 |
| Fawz1 | well it does delay/block ssh connections too | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: ok, so, at the moment the device goes into an immensely deep sleep that often includes disconnecting wifi | 16:17 |
| pp_ | a friend is getting power offs, could be that the power button just gets pressed down in the pocket or somesuch | 16:17 |
| clau2 | it also makes email syncing behavior erratic | 16:18 |
| pp_ | which would be tricky to fix if so (ok, a TOH that makes the button more difficult to press :-) ) | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: get him to send me contents of /var/systemlog/pmlog/ | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | and /var/log/systemboot.log | 16:18 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I experienced this on cellular data, haven't tried on wifi yet | 16:18 |
| clau2 | Venemo, have a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92183 | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | long story short power management isn't the best it can be in terms of app niceness, i'm flying to .fi next week and hope to sit down and get it right | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | so we have a longer term plan how to deal with it | 16:19 |
| clau2 | Stskeeps, that is good to hear :) | 16:19 |
| Pnuu | for me ssh hasn't disconnected with the screen off | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | android wakelocks is a new thing to many of us from maemo/meego and they sometimes act differently than we expect | 16:20 |
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| Pnuu | ssh to server from phone and irssi open | 16:20 |
| Fawz1 | Pnuu: doesn't disconnect, but prevents connections | 16:20 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: can you shed some light on how exactly it works? | 16:20 |
| android | oh yay, I forgotten about the multiple hilights I get on this nick... | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | android: oh man. | 16:20 |
| clau2 | Venemo, this might help: http://felipec.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/android-vs-maemo-power-managment-static-vs-dynamic/ | 16:20 |
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| * Stskeeps gets out the baseball bat and looks at android | 16:20 | |
| jussi | better? | 16:20 |
| Venemo | clau2: already read that | 16:20 |
| Venemo | clau2: also the previous topic | 16:21 |
| clau2 | roger | 16:21 |
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| * jussi waves to Stskeeps | 16:21 | |
| Stskeeps | lo jussi | 16:21 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I still don't see, why does the device disconnect the wifi when it has an active socket connection? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | because there's nothing stopping it .. ;) | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: so you can follow it in dmesg what happens | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | Fawz1: oh, yeah, new connections towards the phone get a bit slow to connect | 16:21 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: can I ask the device not to shut off the network? | 16:22 |
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| clau2 | incoming data presumably wakes the phone | 16:22 |
| clau2 | otherwise it can go to sleep, and it won't be able to, for instance, send data | 16:23 |
| clau2 | you should be able to see that behavior by starting top over ssh and watching how fast it refreshes when display is on, and when it is off | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: that's part of what i'm going to .fi to get ironed out | 16:23 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: does that mean that right now it's impossible? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: something those lines, well, some claim you can open wakelocks and it won't go to deep sleep | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | but that's not really a sustainable thing to ask app developers to do | 16:24 |
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| clau2 | Venemo, I keep reading about libiphb. You could use it to wake up in your app. | 16:24 |
| Venemo | can libiphp prevent the network disconnection? | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | may or may not, but is iphb in store apis atm? | 16:25 |
| Venemo | I really don't want to prevent deep sleep, I just want it to 1) not disconnect 2) wake up when there's an incoming packet | 16:25 |
| Venemo | it's not, but that's the least concern for me now | 16:25 |
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| clau2 | I wonder how exchange support is doing it. there's support for push, right? | 16:25 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: could you be a bit more clear, please? for now, let's not care about the store and assume I just want to make it work. in what way can I do it on the current software release? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'll be honest and that i'm not 100% clear on how you'd do it. | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: it's likely to be related to iphb in future | 16:32 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: thank you. can you give a hint, or point at someone who knows? | 16:32 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I would really love to make it work on the current software | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | i can ask around tomorrow | 16:32 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: that would be great! | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | adding to whiteboard | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: it is all nice that it'll be better ironed out in the future, but even if they start ironing it out let's say first thing tomorrow, it is still going to take a considerable amount of time before it gets into a public release | 16:34 |
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| dunp | ?? | 16:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: agreed | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: from rainisto: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1400117&postcount=300 | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | (i know it doesn't help much, but it confirms the libiphb thingy) | 16:38 |
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| ggabriel | perhaps you bumped into that too | 16:38 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yes, but it is not clear whether libiphb can ask the device not to disconnect or not | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | yup, i know | 16:39 |
| clau2 | maybe if you wake up the phone often enough, it doesn't? :\ | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's all about keepalive i guess | 16:40 |
| clau2 | otherwise, there's probably no direct connection between libiphb and the wifi. | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: if you want to iron up your application, doesn't keeping it connected to usb help? | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | or you want to test it for hours and on the go? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's an irc client | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | so being stationary sucks | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: yeah, i know, i know | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | clau2's solution is better | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | but it's a pain too | 16:41 |
| clau2 | you can also set the suspend policy to early, as mentioned in one of the links above (by using mcetool). but that's not a solution you can force upon your users, obviously. | 16:41 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: the intended use case for an IRC app is that I connect to IRC when I leave home and then maybe I pull the device out of my pocket when I reached the train and read the messages | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | yeah, fair enough | 16:42 |
| Venemo | now, I don't want to keep the device awake as that would consume a freaking insane amount of power | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | you can only iron out a few things with usb | 16:42 |
| Venemo | I would like my socket simply not to disconnect | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: can you check how it works if you: | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon install mce-tools | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | mcetool --set-suspend-policy=disabled | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | so the echo asdf > /sys/some/place doesn't work? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | note that this will possibly drain battery fast | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | or other nasty things | 16:43 |
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| clau2 | Stskeeps, =early seems good too. and battery life is not bad either. | 16:43 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I can check, but how does that help now? it's not something that I want my users to do | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: it'll help me identify the exact problem | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | so i can tell you what to do next | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| clau2 | Venemo, you can try what ggabriel said, but from your app, not from shell. | 16:44 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: sorry, i misunderstood, i thougth you wanted a quick hack to keep testing it, not give it to users and work ootb | 16:45 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay! | 16:45 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: should I call mcetool as root or as user? | 16:47 |
| clau2 | user is fine | 16:50 |
| clau2 | you can check if the change was done by running mcetool without params | 16:50 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: ok, done. 'mcetool' says: Autosuspend policy: disabled | 16:51 |
| clau2 | I think double tap to unlock will not work now, so just unlock by button. | 16:52 |
| clau2 | in other words, don't panic :) | 16:52 |
| Venemo | already panicing | 16:52 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: what's next? run the app and see if it gets disconnected? | 16:53 |
| clau2 | Venemo, just wondering, how soon after getting into sleep does the connection drop? | 16:54 |
| Venemo | clau2: few minutes. less than 10 but I didn't measure exactly | 16:55 |
| Venemo | hm | 16:55 |
| Venemo | how do I input a & in fingerterm? | 16:55 |
| mikma | venemo: does your wlan have power saving mode? | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: shift? | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | (top row) | 16:55 |
| Venemo | thanks | 16:55 |
| Venemo | I'm testing over cellular data now, not wifi | 16:56 |
| mikma | ok, that limits wlan out then | 16:56 |
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| Venemo_j | ok, this is from the jolla over cellular data | 16:57 |
| Venemo | I quit all other apps, put the IRC app to the background and turned off the screen | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | you should probably make your alter ego join a silent channel too ;-) | 16:59 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: for what purpose? | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | you make 100% that you are relying on pings from the server rather than we chatting | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | s/100%/100% sure/ | 17:00 |
| Venemo | ok | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | next test ;) | 17:00 |
| Venemo | see you in #mychannel | 17:00 |
| Venemo | if Venemo_j is still there in 10 minutes or so, then we can draw the conclusion that autosuspend was the issue | 17:00 |
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| faenil | lol | 17:00 |
| Venemo | it's the channel I use for testing | 17:01 |
| clau2 | got the popcorn, now watching #mychannel | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | yeah, well, i won't join to avoid pollution :) | 17:01 |
| clau2 | it's getting crowded in there already :D | 17:01 |
| jpnurmi | you shouldn't have told the channel name. now people will come and go and cause traffic :D | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | hahahaha | 17:01 |
| Venemo | lol | 17:01 |
| Venemo | ok, countdown begins now | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | the suspense is killing me | 17:02 |
| clau2 | :)) | 17:02 |
| Jope | time for counting | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | let's use a jolla timer | 17:02 |
| Venemo | this is a good opportunity for me to give a first time try to the Gnome clocks app | 17:02 |
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| clau2 | --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw | 17:03 |
| clau2 | (europe - the final countdown) | 17:03 |
| Yaniel | appropriate as ever | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | i listen to that song any more | 17:03 |
| amixpb | nice | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | "they made me" sing it at a karaoke in japan and i couldn't match the pitch | 17:04 |
| amixpb | :) | 17:04 |
| Venemo | in any case, during the morning, with autosuspend ON, it disconnected me without trouble even though I was on this channel and it was busy | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | sigh, i can't listen to that song* | 17:04 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/feW2vTUJffI | 17:04 |
| Venemo | if anyone's interested, I'm listening to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQUKuLZOx6E | 17:06 |
| * ggabriel watching a 1.5hr documentary about texas | 17:06 | |
| * pahartik notices that mobile network has not automatically disconnected since keepalive shell script was started, supposedly that python code ("/usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman") connects with different "connman" parameters when compared to GUI | 17:09 | |
| Venemo | 30 minutes remaining | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | minutes? | 17:12 |
| Venemo | sooryy | 17:12 |
| Venemo | seconds | 17:12 |
| Venemo | and now 0 | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I am watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdUQ4oNKiI | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | On lasers. | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | you still there :) | 17:13 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I think we can safely say it doesn't disconnect when suspend policy is disabled | 17:13 |
| Venemo | now running 'mcetool --set-suspend-policy=enabled' | 17:15 |
| Venemo | btw, mcetool says wlan is enabled when it's not | 17:16 |
| pdanek | Do you know which file contains information about Yandex accounts? | 17:20 |
| clau2 | is it completely disabled, or just not connected? | 17:20 |
| pdanek | Because I can't delete Yandex account. | 17:20 |
| valdur55 | somewhere in android data folder | 17:21 |
| Andy80 | how do I force the contacts sync of the Google account in Jolla? I've updated a contact on Google Contacts and I'd like to push the changes on the phone | 17:22 |
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| Andy80 | uhm..... I just gave a look to Accounts it said that Google acocunt was not enabled and asked me again to authenticate | 17:26 |
| Andy80 | if it was not active how I was able to use GTalk until now? | 17:26 |
| Andy80 | -.- | 17:26 |
| clau2 | Venemo, fyi, both wlan and cellular appear as enabled in mcetool, even if they are disabled. | 17:28 |
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| Venemo | clau2: so either mcetool is lying or the UI that says they're disabled is lying | 17:28 |
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| clau2 | Venemo, apparently they appear as disabled only when you put the phone to plane mode | 17:28 |
| pdanek | valdur55: where's the Android data folder? | 17:29 |
| valdur55 | pdanek: /data ? | 17:30 |
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| pdanek | I was there of course, but it's Sailfish data foldrer | 17:30 |
| pdanek | I didn't find anything regarding Yandex store there | 17:30 |
| clau2 | Venemo, mcetool seems messed up: if you start the wifi while in airplane mode, mcetool still says everything is disabled. | 17:30 |
| pdanek | ok let me see on root | 17:31 |
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| Zzz2 | Hello. Is it possible to delete a reccurent event from the calendar? | 17:36 |
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| Zzz2 | And one more question - how can I set an clock alarm in jolla? can't find the setting? | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | Zzz2: last one is easy: go to the clock application and use th epulley menu | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | for your first one, i suspect long press on the event, but haven't used the calendar much just yet | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | check jolla.com/guide - you should have some info there | 17:41 |
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| pdanek | Warehouse for Sailfish, finally! Glory! | 17:43 |
| clau2 | link? | 17:43 |
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| Zzz2 | ggabriel thanks i will check | 17:46 |
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| pdanek | clau2: https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse | 17:56 |
| clau2 | pdanek, found it already. thanks :) | 17:56 |
| pdanek | y sorry, at work still -> delays | 17:57 |
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| clau2 | np | 17:59 |
| mikma | andy80: that google authentication happened to me also this morning | 18:00 |
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| stephg | ooh bunch of new apps | 18:05 |
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| clau2 | I wish the Store wouldn't mix the new apps with comments. | 18:09 |
| mikma | New in store! comment! | 18:09 |
| clau2 | new in store, <someone> commented , <someone> liked | 18:10 |
| TemeV | will automatic updates for openrepos apps work if I install Warehouse? | 18:12 |
| clau2 | Tethering app in Store, nice | 18:13 |
| mikma | I'm having interesting store forgetting my account problem after reboot :D i'm guessing tohd.service is to blame | 18:14 |
| mikma | i need to delete my jolla account and retype it in store + save it in order to make store work again | 18:15 |
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| Venemo | mikma: why tohd? | 18:15 |
| mikma | oh well, hoping for the nfcfix to pop up soonish | 18:15 |
| Venemo | I have stopped tohd too and store works fine | 18:16 |
| mikma | venemo: for some unknown reason if you mask+stop tohd, then unmask and start it, you'll get store error about toh not working | 18:16 |
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| mikma | so i'm guessing that's also the reason store ignores my account and tells me i don't have one. when i try to sign in with the jolla account while it's active i get this "oops" error :D | 18:17 |
| Venemo | mikma: oh, I just simply stopped it, didn't mask | 18:17 |
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| clau2 | I have it masked, and the store is fine | 18:17 |
| mikma | clau2: have you rebooted and tested it today? | 18:17 |
| clau2 | at one point, when I activated tohd the phone notified me about the new ambience (which I had not previously installed) | 18:18 |
| Venemo | hey | 18:18 |
| mikma | and as a reminder, i also got the google account authentication this morning | 18:18 |
| clau2 | I've installed it, and never had any issue since | 18:18 |
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| Venemo | does any of you guys happen to have the channel log for today morning around 2014-01-08T10:45:02 ? I'm looking for a log wich tells the quit reason | 18:19 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: link is in the topic | 18:20 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I'm looking for a log wich tells the quit reason | 18:20 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: obviously I've looked in the logs in the topc and it doesn't | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | ok, thought u missed that | 18:20 |
| Venemo | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/%23jollamobile.2014-01-08.log says 2014-01-08T10:45:02 *** Venemo_j has quit IRC | 18:21 |
| ggabriel | you mean the cmdline thing? | 18:21 |
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| Venemo | I mean something like this: | 18:21 |
| Venemo | "Ping timeout: 252 seconds" or "Remote host closed the connection", etc | 18:21 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: which timezone? | 18:22 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: the timezone of the above link | 18:22 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: you see in that link that I wrote this: 2014-01-08T10:40:58 <Venemo_j> I passed the exam!!! :) | 18:22 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: hang on | 18:22 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: after that I got maybe 2-3 messages and then no more | 18:22 |
| ggabriel | (i know what you mean now) | 18:23 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: I definitely didn't see faenil's message that's in the logs after mine | 18:23 |
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| ggabriel | 10:45 -!- Venemo_j [~communi@176.77.130.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 18:23 |
| Pnuu | 12:45 -!- Venemo_j [~communi@176.77.130.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 18:23 |
| Venemo | great | 18:24 |
| Pnuu | damn, slow again :-P | 18:24 |
| Venemo | jpnurmi ^^^ | 18:24 |
| Venemo | thanks Pnuu & ggabriel :) | 18:25 |
| jpnurmi | ok, so the client/device didn't prematurely cut the connection, but just stopped responding to ping messages from the server | 18:25 |
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| Venemo | jpnurmi: well, definitely didn't get faenil's message that you can see on the log, either | 18:26 |
| Venemo | IIRC | 18:26 |
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| jpnurmi | so it could've actually been a hickup in the connection? | 18:26 |
| Venemo | yes it could've | 18:26 |
| Venemo | but I can't reproduce it now | 18:27 |
| Venemo | this is the worst, when you know you have bug somewhere but you have no idea and can't reproduce | 18:28 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: what do you think? | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | could always be network issues, hard to tell | 18:33 |
| Venemo | the fact that it doesn't disconnect now means that it's not a lost cause | 18:33 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: you were on the train then? | 18:33 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: n/m i'll ask the nsa, they have a handy portal ;-) | 18:34 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: no, was just walking around uni campus and then got some food | 18:34 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I hope the jolla doesn't tell this to the NSA :P | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's a open source loving company, we don't have the NSA, we just have the local representative from the Party. | 18:35 |
| ggabriel | hard to test on a mobile connection tbh | 18:35 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: no, they watch you because you are hard to find, so they increase their efforts | 18:35 |
| ggabriel | i fell over irc channels many a time from my laptop using a data card, so.... | 18:36 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: which party? :D | 18:36 |
| sledges | communists of course | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | what sledges said | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:37 |
| Venemo | lol :D | 18:37 |
| sledges | and get paid in cabbages | 18:37 |
| ggabriel | if you say it 3 times.... | 18:37 |
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| Venemo | cabbages, lol | 18:41 |
| skvark | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92317 | 18:41 |
| Venemo | I remember what Stskeeps says about cabbages in Poland | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | they have pierogi with that inside | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | skvark: congrats | 18:41 |
| ggabriel | they fed that to me once, had to eat it to be polite | 18:41 |
| * ggabriel hates cabbage | 18:41 | |
| Pnuu | cabbage rolls are good | 18:42 |
| Venemo | skvark: you are AWESOME! :) it looks great! | 18:42 |
| skvark | :) thanks | 18:42 |
| ggabriel | nice one skvark | 18:43 |
| sledges | very very nice | 18:43 |
| ggabriel | skvark: come on, you have to give us a release date RIGHT NOW :-D | 18:44 |
| Pnuu | skvark: great job! | 18:44 |
| ggabriel | skvark: also, add a keyboard and extra battery please | 18:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: is this true? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1403952&postcount=43 | 18:44 |
| Pnuu | I was thinkin the same, but getting back home tomorrow, and not really knowing stuff, couldn't do a thing :-P | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: there's something about that for the pocket scenario | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's not as precise as that though | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: together -> "Does covering the proximity sensor disable double-tap to unlock?" please | 18:45 |
| skvark | ggabriel: :D I think this will stay on a proof of concept level, I have no time to anything else | 18:45 |
| skvark | to do* | 18:45 |
| ggabriel | skvark: i was of course joking | 18:46 |
| skvark | :) | 18:46 |
| skvark | yes I know | 18:46 |
| Pnuu | skvark: so you connected the panel directly to the pins? no dc-dc converters or stuff in-between? | 18:46 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: ok | 18:47 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: this? https://together.jolla.com/question/11374/bug-accidental-unlocks-and-pocket-dialing-feature-req-disable-touch-screen-when-proximity-is-detected/ | 18:47 |
| mikma | skvark: now, all you need is the springsun, the one that actually burns your face :D | 18:47 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: or this? https://together.jolla.com/question/6231/proximity-sensor-always-on/ | 18:47 |
| skvark | mikma: yep :D | 18:48 |
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| ccha4 | how to instead a rmp on jolla ? 1st you need to be root ? | 18:50 |
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| ottulo | ccha4: no need to be root | 18:51 |
| ottulo | just: pkcon install-local app.rpm | 18:51 |
| ccha4 | ok thank | 18:51 |
| mikma | stskeeps: so. is the root a complete linux root or has something been limited? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's a complete linux root | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | if you break something bad, you really break something | 18:52 |
| mikma | nice! | 18:52 |
| valdur55 | devel-su | 18:52 |
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| mikma | friend was working at meego and told that ie N9 had this toyroot | 18:52 |
| ccha4 | pkcon install-local harbour-warehouse-0.1-2.armv7hl.rpm :) | 18:53 |
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| Pnuu | skvark: direct connection without extra electronics? | 18:53 |
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| slate | mikma: I have no problems with the store when tohd disabled and masked | 19:13 |
| slate | So its just you. | 19:13 |
| slate | And I also got google-account auth request as well as fb. De Ja vu, they changed something? | 19:14 |
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| ccha4 | with pkcon, you can't get more details about repositories ? | 19:32 |
| ottulo | is there really no txt file editor for jolla yet? | 19:32 |
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| ccha4 | like url | 19:32 |
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| bjorn | ccha4: It has cat. :) | 19:32 |
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| ottulo | I'd like to copy something from a txt file to the clipboard | 19:32 |
| ccha4 | cat ? | 19:32 |
| Quu | uh | 19:32 |
| Quu | "There is no update candidate dor ssu-0.38.3-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl" | 19:33 |
| ccha4 | bjorn: you cat repos files ? | 19:33 |
| ccha4 | any thing like sources.list ? | 19:34 |
| bjorn | ccha4: I mean fire up Terminal, type 'cat your-txt-file', open the menu and select 'Select' for 'Drag mode', select the file contents, open the menu and select 'Copy'. | 19:34 |
| ccha4 | I used with debian | 19:34 |
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| bjorn | Oh sorry, that was an answer for ottulo. | 19:35 |
| ccha4 | oh ok | 19:35 |
| bjorn | Name was similar in length and same in color here in Quassel... | 19:35 |
| ottulo | bjorn: not familiar with cat | 19:35 |
| bjorn | ottulo: I just explained it to you. | 19:35 |
| ottulo | ah | 19:35 |
| ottulo | right... | 19:35 |
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| Turski | if anyone is wondering why fingerterm doesn't load .bashrc, see my post there: https://together.jolla.com/question/5561/make-fingertermbash-startup-execute-standard-profilebashrc-scripts/#post-id-12285 | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | ottulo: vim! | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:35 |
| bjorn | Well there is no vim by default it seems. | 19:36 |
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| ccha4 | Installed vim-minimal-7.3.629-1.1.1.armv7hl A minimal version of the VIM editor | 19:36 |
| Turski | bjorn: it is in default repos | 19:36 |
| attah | thank heavens! | 19:36 |
| ccha4 | the default one | 19:36 |
| Turski | it's only vi | 19:36 |
| attah | (that it is not on there) | 19:36 |
| bjorn | Ah, so vi is there by default. I guess that'll do. | 19:37 |
| Quu | ok, sitar.codec | 19:37 |
| Quu | jolla can play sitar? | 19:37 |
| ccha4 | there is screen installed but no tmux ? | 19:37 |
| ccha4 | same for less or most :) | 19:37 |
| clau2 | you can install less, however I couldn't find tmux :\ | 19:38 |
| ccha4 | ah you mean zless ? | 19:38 |
| ottulo | hmm... | 19:38 |
| ottulo | I managed to select + copy, but I don't seem to have anything on the clipboard when I go to another app | 19:38 |
| ottulo | does fingerterm have its own clipboard? | 19:39 |
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| ccha4 | fingerterm menu there is "copy" "paste" | 19:42 |
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| ottulo | ccha4: that is what I used | 19:42 |
| ottulo | I can copy and paste just fine within fingerterm | 19:42 |
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| ottulo | but the copied text is not available to other apps through the clipboard | 19:43 |
| ottulo | native sailfish apps | 19:43 |
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| clau2 | I think currently not all apps are using the system wide clipboard. | 19:45 |
| ccha4 | I don't kn ow to copy paste on fingerterm | 19:45 |
| ottulo | this one is, because I had other stuff there before and it pasted just fine | 19:45 |
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| clau2 | I just tried to copy from fingerterm and paste in notes: no luck. | 19:47 |
| Eztran | It wouldn't be surprising if fingerterm used its own clipboard. | 19:47 |
| ccha4 | how you can select for copy from fingertem ? | 19:47 |
| Yaniel | change drag mode in the meny | 19:47 |
| clau2 | pasting to fingerterm a piece of text copied from notes doesn't work either | 19:47 |
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| ottulo | I guess it's simply an internal clipboard for fingerterm | 19:49 |
| Yaniel | probably | 19:49 |
| ccha4 | ok copy paste inside fingertem works | 19:50 |
| Eztran | Fingerterm uses its own internal stuff for loads of things (to make it portable? so it can work when everything else doesn't?), so clipboard's not really a jump. | 19:50 |
| clau2 | yep. I vaguely remember I read about this somewhere, but I didn't pay much attention back then. it's probably on together.jolla.com | 19:50 |
| bjorn | Eztran: Maybe not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless. :( | 19:50 |
| bjorn | I had fully assumed that to just work. | 19:50 |
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| Eztran | Probably annoying, yeah... wonder if there's another way to access the system clipboard. | 19:51 |
| ottulo | I hope we get a qr code reader soon | 19:51 |
| ottulo | android app works but that clipboard is also separate from native sailfish | 19:51 |
| ottulo | plus the android app doesn't offer to put it in clipboard | 19:52 |
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| pdanek | in /data/system/registered_services/android.accounts.AccountAuthenticator.xml I have: <service uid="10008" type="com.yandex.passport" /> | 19:52 |
| pdanek | Where does it refer to? | 19:53 |
| pdanek | Where the account itself is specified? | 19:53 |
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| pdanek | Is it somewhere in database files in /data/system/users/0? | 19:54 |
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| pdanek | I need to remove Yandex account. :D | 19:55 |
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| attah | /usr/bin/jolla-hacks ?!??! | 19:57 |
| pdanek | Or dir /data/dontpanic :) | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | wait what :D | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | attah: normal | 19:59 |
| pdanek | Hitchhikers | 19:59 |
| ottulo | pdanek: thumbs up | 20:00 |
| attah | stskeeps: Okay.. but what does it do? | 20:00 |
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| pdanek | attah: I suppose only switches shell from bash to sh | 20:02 |
| pdanek | :) | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | [root@localhost pmlog]# more /usr/bin/jolla-hacks | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | #!/bin/sh | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | [root@localhost pmlog]# | 20:02 |
| pdanek | ah no | 20:02 |
| pdanek | doesn't switch anything | 20:02 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: if you're here, do you have an idea where Yandex account is saved in Jolla? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | no | 20:03 |
| attah | oh.. lol.. i just assumed it was a binary | 20:03 |
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| Turski | pdanek: i'm not sure, but maybe in /data/user/0/com.yandex.store/databases/something | 20:06 |
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| Turski | pdanek: /data/data/com.yandex.store/databases/am_accounts.db seems to have something | 20:08 |
| Turski | i think that's it | 20:09 |
| attah | btw.. album art for FLAC, anyone that know how to make it work? | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | I haven't seen any album art work at all yet | 20:09 |
| pdanek | Turski: but /data/data/ is not preserved after you uinstall Yandex store | 20:09 |
| pdanek | so it must be somewhere else | 20:10 |
| pdanek | because when you reinstall it, account stays | 20:10 |
| attah | Yaniel: My mp3s show it fine | 20:10 |
| Turski | pdanek: didn't stay for me... | 20:10 |
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| pdanek | stays for me, every single time | 20:10 |
| Turski | attah: seems to work for me... wait a sec | 20:11 |
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| Turski | attah: i have cover.jpg in every folder | 20:11 |
| pdanek | the file I found is: /data/system/registered_services/android.accounts.AccountAuthenticator.xml, but that's not it | 20:11 |
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| attah | Turski <3 | 20:11 |
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| ccha4 | I got [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 20:12 |
| ccha4 | when i use ssu | 20:12 |
| Turski | ccha4: that's normal | 20:13 |
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| ccha4 | debug mode ? | 20:13 |
| Turski | ccha4: something they forgot to disable for release or something :P | 20:13 |
| Venemo | btw, why's the jolla named sbj? | 20:14 |
| ccha4 | ssu mo ?:) | 20:15 |
| attah | Turski: crap.. that didn't do it :( Anything else there? Or are they very picky on resolution? | 20:15 |
| Turski | attah: tracker needs to index it first | 20:17 |
| attah | Turski: So reopening the app isn't enough? | 20:18 |
| Turski | no | 20:18 |
| Turski | wait a min... | 20:18 |
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| Turski | well, reboot at least should do the trick | 20:19 |
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| Turski | systemctl --user restart tracker-miner-fs.service | 20:21 |
| Turski | that might do that too... iäm not sure | 20:21 |
| attah | Turski: reboot hasn't done it yet | 20:21 |
| attah | Could it be a problem with being ~/Music/Artist/Album? | 20:22 |
| Turski | i woi don't think so... | 20:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: ping | 20:23 |
| attah | what resolution are your covers btw? | 20:23 |
| attah | i tried 75x75 | 20:23 |
| ottulo | oops, got the "enthusiast" badge on tjc | 20:23 |
| ottulo | I don't even post there that much! | 20:23 |
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| Turski | attah: at least one seems to be 300x300 | 20:24 |
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| attah | Turski: took a random image that fit the size and put in to another album folder as "cover.jpg", restarted service and phone.. still nothing :/ | 20:31 |
| Turski | attah: what happens if you rename the folder? | 20:31 |
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| attah | Turski: interestingly.. nothing (yet.. no restart made) | 20:33 |
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| Turski | well, try restart too :P i have no really idea how the tracker works | 20:34 |
| attah | Turski: I wonder if it knows itself.. still no change, lol! | 20:35 |
| kehnoo_ | all my covers work, but I have them embedded to the mp3 files with different resolution ranging 75 to 500 | 20:36 |
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| kehnoo_ | but the Media player Artists view only shows one cover for every Artist | 20:36 |
| Turski | i have no embedded covers in my flacs | 20:36 |
| attah | kehnoo_: Yes, that works for me too.. but not FLAC | 20:37 |
| kehnoo_ | why do you need flac? | 20:37 |
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| attah | kehnoo_: Grado PS-500 | 20:37 |
| Turski | well, jolla audio hardware probably can't deliver all the details from the music anyway :) | 20:38 |
| kehnoo_ | tbh I gave up with flacs 5 years ago, phones usually don't have that good headphone outputs :p | 20:38 |
| Turski | but i use flac on my phone because i'm too lazy to convert them | 20:39 |
| Turski | and also because i can | 20:39 |
| attah | kehnoo_: Well, as long as i can tell the difference compared to 320kbps mp3/ogg i think it's worth it | 20:39 |
| kehnoo_ | it takes no time at all on modern computer, you get working covers and you can share songs with bluetooth with lesser people with iphones and WPs :p | 20:39 |
| Turski | attah: you really can? | 20:40 |
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| Turski | attah: when played from jolla? | 20:40 |
| Turski | kehnoo_: but managing them is other thing | 20:40 |
| Turski | kehnoo_: i tried writing my own sync program but was too lazy to finish it :P | 20:40 |
| kehnoo_ | so clearly you're just too lazy :p | 20:41 |
| Turski | kehnoo_: and covers are working, so that argument is invalid | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | maybe I should try mp3 or ogg to see if covers work there.. | 20:41 |
| attah | Turski: Well, it could be mostly in my head.. but i's say so, yes | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | covers clearly aren't working with flac nor aac for me | 20:41 |
| Eztran | kehnoo_: why would you maintain two libraries at once? | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | neither cover.jpg nor embedded | 20:41 |
| Turski | Yaniel: that's weird... | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | yep | 20:42 |
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| kehnoo_ | yeah, that's why I only use high quality mp3s :) | 20:44 |
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| Eztran | high quality mp3 is an oxymoron, IMO. | 20:47 |
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| ccha4 | any htop repos for sailfish ? | 20:49 |
| attah | Eztran: agreed | 20:49 |
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| Turski | Yaniel, attah: i tried loading few more flac albums to jolla, one with embedded images does not show album art, while another with 500x500 cover.jpg works fine | 20:50 |
| Pnuu | you guys listen too much the sound, you should listen to the music ;-) | 20:50 |
| Turski | and came up about immediately | 20:50 |
| Eztran | Pnuu: good point, but bad sound can distract from the music. | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | tmm | 20:51 |
| attah | Turski: copied there over mhl? | 20:51 |
| Turski | attah: scp | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | I have onve flac album with embedded covers, iirc around 1000x1000 | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | and they don't show up | 20:51 |
| Turski | Yaniel: well, cover.jpg seems to work | 20:51 |
| attah | Turski: dangit! That's what I did! | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | Turski: not here | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | the other flac album I have tried has cover.jpg (300x290) | 20:52 |
| Turski | :S | 20:52 |
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| attah | or.. well.. almost.. i did land it at an intermediate place, ~ | 20:54 |
| suy | I copied stuff through SSH, and cover.jpg doesn't work for any album, except one (no, no embedded, all are cover.jpg files) | 20:54 |
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| attah | suy: could you dump one of each on some uploading service? | 20:55 |
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| suy | attah: of the cover files? gimme a sec | 20:55 |
| attah | suy: yes, thanks! but it's probably a longshot since it didn't find out i renamed the folder either | 20:56 |
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| Turski | now i added cover.jpg to one album that didn't have one, and it doesn't show up... | 20:56 |
| suy | attah: a zip file is ok? maybe some picture service changes the file... | 20:56 |
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| attah | suy: perfect, anything reasonably cross-platform | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | attah: you a sailor? | 20:58 |
| attah | Yaniel: I wish! | 20:58 |
| kehnoo_ | are you guys stuck in the late-90s when mp3s actually were bad or what? | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | mp3 are bad | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not like they get better with age | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not vine | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo_: I didn't care until I got new headphones | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | one might call it a bad decision ;) | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | ZogG_laptop: well the encoders have got better | 21:00 |
| kehnoo_ | yeah but encoders have gotten better and better | 21:00 |
| Eztran | I actually hear nothing wrong with 320kbps mp3 normally (very nice headphones and you do, but mine are dead). All the same, if I'm going to maintain a collection, it's not gonna be in a lossy format. | 21:00 |
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| Yaniel | ^ +1 | 21:01 |
| kehnoo_ | my collection is just bunch of cds anyway :) | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | you never know when you want to convert it to something else and then a lossy format is likely to bite you in the backside | 21:01 |
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| suy | attah: http://darkshines.net/pub/covers-sample.zip | 21:02 |
| Eztran | Yaniel: exactly, yeah. | 21:02 |
| attah | suy: great, thanks! | 21:02 |
| Yaniel | and having a physical copy is... having a physical copy | 21:02 |
| attah | suy: and which is the one that works? | 21:03 |
| kehnoo_ | rip a cd now (early 90s preferred with good master) and encode it with latest lame on v2 or better, and then flac and I'm going to bet that you won't hear the difference | 21:03 |
| suy | attah: only that works is cover 8. I don't know if has anything to do with it, but there is also in the same folder a "albumname.jpg" file. But... I doubt it, since other folder has a file with the same pattern, and doesn't work. | 21:03 |
| kehnoo_ | sooo how do you get them flacs if you don't have physical copy? someone might mess up the ripping! :p | 21:04 |
| attah | suy: ok.. i'll mess around with them, sooner or later i ought to find something | 21:04 |
| suy | attah: thank you! | 21:04 |
| Eztran | kehnoo_: rip once, convert forever. Which you can't really do with lossy formats. | 21:04 |
| Yaniel | on a phone mp3 should be good enough, sure | 21:04 |
| attah | suy: on the contrary.. thank you | 21:05 |
| kehnoo_ | yeah, buy why would you need anything else than mp3s then? they're supported on almost anything | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo_: some artists actually distribute flacs directly | 21:05 |
| stephg | edifying though this conversation is, it don't mean squat unless there's gapless playback :( | 21:05 |
| Eztran | True dat. | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | because I wouldn't want to build a collection which I may want to convert to format x at any time in a lossy format | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | *lossy format x | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | nothing prevents you from dumping them on the phone as mp3 | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | except laziness | 21:06 |
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| Yaniel | and "because I can" ;P | 21:06 |
| kehnoo_ | well, okay then, I'm happy with my mp3s on everything :) | 21:06 |
| kehnoo_ | but I only got mere O2+ODAC and AKG701s :p | 21:07 |
| attah | suy: just double checking.. it wasn't 9? it has an extra metadata tag with album name | 21:08 |
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| suy | attah: nope :-( that doesn't show up | 21:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Yaniel: we have enuf disk space for flac nowdays don't we? | 21:08 |
| attah | suy: ok.. dangit! | 21:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i don't have good headphones though | 21:09 |
| TemeV | ZogG_laptop: I don't have on my laptop :( | 21:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i have good reciver and not bad speakers (big ones) | 21:10 |
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| TemeV | 64GB SSD, I should have bought bigger... | 21:10 |
| Eztran | Why does music have to be on an SSD? External drive, maybe? | 21:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | TemeV: it might be not supported and what you need it for after all | 21:10 |
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| Yaniel | I recently got me Sennheiser HD-598s a while ago | 21:11 |
| kehnoo_ | I like to have my music handy in every situation so having them in mp3 means they fit in 32 GB SD card I can take anywhere | 21:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wanted wireless as i go to work and when going to do stuff far from home i use bike | 21:11 |
| TemeV | Eztran: well, it is laptop, and carrying around External drive makes it less portable | 21:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i don't want cable | 21:12 |
| kehnoo_ | hey I think I have pair of 598s too somewhere | 21:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | i wanted nokia's one | 21:12 |
| Yaniel | and quickly realized that with a decent soundcard you can hear pretty much everything that is in the signal with them | 21:12 |
| * Yaniel still has to try playing amnesia with these | 21:12 | |
| skvark | Pnuu: yes direct connection | 21:12 |
| skvark | no extra electronics | 21:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | wanted nokia bh-905i | 21:13 |
| Turski | Alessandro MS-1 <3 | 21:13 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo_: any external soundcard? | 21:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | for mobile | 21:13 |
| kehnoo_ | Yaniel, nope, they're my comfort headphones for extended wearing and I use the same DAC/Amp combo http://www.jdslabs.com/products/48/o2-odac-combo/ | 21:14 |
| Pnuu | skvark: ok, was thinking if I'd need a step-up/-down converter in there | 21:15 |
| Yaniel | nice, I use my M-Audio FastTrack | 21:15 |
| Yaniel | which is already a lot better than any integrated soundcard I have around | 21:16 |
| Yaniel | (not surprisingly) | 21:16 |
| pdanek1 | I have uDAC 2 | 21:16 |
| pdanek1 | not bad | 21:16 |
| kehnoo_ | with laptop and phone I just use cheap IEMs (currently Soundmagic E10s, love the "fun" sound and Astrotec AM-90s) anyway | 21:16 |
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| pdanek1 | Custom IEM ftw | 21:17 |
| skvark | Pnuu: I think there's linear regulator or something else inside jolla | 21:17 |
| Eztran | heh, I picked up a pair of E10s recently. Not half bad considering how cheap they are. | 21:17 |
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| skvark | 6 V is close enough, the power pin takes 5 V in | 21:17 |
| kehnoo_ | they're not the best, but make everything sound more fun, if that makes more sense | 21:18 |
| kehnoo_ | more, or any | 21:18 |
| Andy80 | unplugged my Jolla from charger this morning at 8:00, now 21:17 here, still 42% battery left. To be the first release (with, hopefully, space for further optimizations) nice job guys! | 21:18 |
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| Andy80 | of course with tohd off :P | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: could you for fun take 5 pictures with flash? | 21:18 |
| Eztran | Well, that's one huge optimisation right there. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | or 10-15 | 21:18 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps, never tried yet... they burn battery completly :P ? | 21:19 |
| Pnuu | skvark: hmm. I'll do some test tomorrow, but I'd guess that a step-up would be needed with lower light levels | 21:19 |
| Andy80 | I try | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: i want to see if it's lying | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:20 |
| attah | macports </3 | 21:20 |
| Yaniel | attah: homebrew <3 | 21:20 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: that's the reason for sudden shutdowns? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: not sure, sherlock's on the case.. | 21:20 |
| Turski | ok | 21:20 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps, took 15, battery at 41% now | 21:20 |
| attah | Yaniel: i think I'll get debian once i manage to outsmart uefi | 21:21 |
| Nicd- | does jolla have the tools to format sdcard as vfat? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok, but no random shutdown, good | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: mkfs.vfat? | 21:21 |
| ccha4 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c_BqnR_vAM <-- on this video at 1:40, when he's at bottom of 2nd apps screen, there is a tip to go back to task screen,... can you do it too ? | 21:21 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: is it available? | 21:21 |
| Turski | Nicd-: not in default repos at least | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'd think so | 21:22 |
| Turski | maybe in mer-tools or something | 21:22 |
| Turski | mkfs mkfs.btrfs mkfs.cramfs mkfs.ext2 mkfs.ext3 mkfs.ext4 mkfs.ext4dev mkfs.minix | 21:23 |
| skvark | Pnuu: yes, it propably would | 21:23 |
| Turski | those are on device by default | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo_: to each their use cases and preferences :) | 21:23 |
| Nicd- | yep | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | who wouldn't want a minix fs.. | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | I like to hear all slight details there are in my music | 21:23 |
| Nicd- | anyone know what the package for mkfs.vfat is? | 21:23 |
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| kehnoo_ | I listen to crappy pop so crappy headphones make the experience more beareable :D | 21:24 |
| attah | Stskeeps: if that fixes my album art I'm all for it | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | kehnoo_: certainly | 21:24 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: done maybe 30 photos now | 21:24 |
| pdanek1 | no shutdown | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | good | 21:24 |
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| Yaniel | also listening to stuff from youtube in 360p was awesome with my previous headphones | 21:24 |
| Yaniel | but not with these :D | 21:24 |
| sremes | Nicd-: dosfstools | 21:25 |
| Yaniel | for example I noticed an ever so slight highpass filter on the vocals of an album I thought was too simple for something that subtle | 21:25 |
| Turski | Nicd-: usually named dosfstools | 21:25 |
| Yaniel | or was it lowpass, I don't remember | 21:25 |
| kehnoo_ | normally I just prefer speakers, having headphones make my ears hurt as I have glasses | 21:26 |
| Nicd- | thanks sremes & Turski! dosfstools was it | 21:27 |
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| Turski | Nicd-: did you find it somewhere? | 21:27 |
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| Nicd- | Turski: it was installable with pkcon so I guess it is in mer-tools | 21:29 |
| special | Yaniel: I've been buying sennheisers loyally for years. Awesome headphones. | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | special: I was actually going to get 595s but the guy at the store told me to try out these as well... | 21:30 |
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| special | currently using 380, couple of years old now | 21:33 |
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| Yaniel | after about 0.5-1h of comparing the 595, 598 and 600 I had to admit that the 598 are awesome | 21:34 |
| special | I'd like to upgrade to something open-back | 21:34 |
| attah | special: grado? | 21:35 |
| Nicd- | woo, formatted sdcard in fingerterm and device not bricked | 21:35 |
| kehnoo_ | well most of the 5xxs are the same apart from tiny differnces | 21:35 |
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| Turski | i've never listened those higher-end sennheisers | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | 380 pro here | 21:35 |
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| Turski | i'm just love my Alessandro MS-1 :) | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | saves me from insanity | 21:36 |
| Turski | and i prefer the older model of MS-1 | 21:36 |
| kehnoo_ | 558s have little pads inside the cups that 598s don't have | 21:36 |
| kehnoo_ | oh they're just too uncomortable for me | 21:36 |
| special | the 380 appears to be indestructible | 21:36 |
| Yaniel | Turski: HD-600 is a good reference :P | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | but might destroy your definition of sound quality | 21:37 |
| Turski | good reason to not have one :) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw they do not keep a crying child out | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | but they do a good job with adults | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | I used to have sennheiser PX-200s | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | those or something like that | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | they were pretty good at blocking noise too | 21:39 |
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| Yaniel | unfortunately they almost made my ears bleed after my flatmate let me try his dj headphones for a day | 21:40 |
| kehnoo_ | I've had 558s, 595s and 598s and tbh can't tell the diffenrece, they all sound quite much the same | 21:40 |
| kehnoo_ | 558 are my fave, detacheable cord and no fake wood :p | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | 598 has a detachable cord too | 21:41 |
| Turski | Alessandro MS-1 is said to bo something like between Grado SR80 and SR 125 but with a bit bassier sound | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | which is nice indeed | 21:41 |
| kehnoo_ | yeah but that fake wood! | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | I don't see it anyway :D | 21:41 |
| Turski | :) | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | + it does not look THAT bad | 21:42 |
| special | Stskeeps: you might need to upgrade to active noise cancellation :p | 21:42 |
| kehnoo_ | that doesn | 21:43 |
| kehnoo_ | 't help unless the kid keeps constant droning noise :p | 21:43 |
| kehnoo_ | like jet engine | 21:43 |
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| Yaniel | close enough? :D | 21:43 |
| special | mmm, I've heard some pretty impressive demos with external music | 21:44 |
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| faenil | any svg guy here? I can't find a tool which can delete all items/paths of the same colour | 21:45 |
| faenil | (free tool, that is) | 21:45 |
| fk_lx | faenil: instead of fooling with graphics, you would write some code :-P | 21:46 |
| fk_lx | faenil: joking :-) | 21:46 |
| Turski | sed :) | 21:46 |
| faenil | fk_lx, if I were the one to choose.... | 21:46 |
| faenil | Turski, eheh | 21:46 |
| faenil | it's quite a big svg though, 60k paths | 21:47 |
| fk_lx | faenil: uuuuu | 21:47 |
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| Turski | oh damn, speaking of headphones, looks like my cable is damaged again | 22:00 |
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| Turski | probably need to fix that sixth time :D | 22:00 |
| Turski | or fifth | 22:00 |
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| Yaniel | the jolla calendar really needs to show event locations :/ | 22:01 |
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| Venemo | Yaniel: report it on together if you haven't | 22:11 |
| Yaniel | there is already a post about it | 22:11 |
| Yaniel | I upvoted it | 22:11 |
| Yaniel | actually there are multiple related posts | 22:11 |
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| Venemo | Yaniel: if you gimmea link I'll upvote :) | 22:20 |
| tehdely | the jolla web browser really needs to work in landscape mode | 22:23 |
| tehdely | and not automatically open the last site i had open | 22:23 |
| * cb400f concurs... landscape browsing should be highest priority... if necessary drop portrait mode browsing :-) | 22:25 | |
| cb400f | but it'll probably still be a couple of weeks before I get mine, so there's time ;-) | 22:26 |
| kelvan | cb400f: I think there are a lot bigger problems atm :( | 22:28 |
| Venemo | I need real tabs sooner than landscape browsing | 22:28 |
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| cb400f | unless booting, phone calls or sms don't work, I don't see what that could be | 22:29 |
| suy | cb400f: no angry birds!11 | 22:30 |
| suy | (just kidding) | 22:30 |
| cb400f | :-) | 22:30 |
| kelvan | suy: angry birds works pretty well ;) | 22:30 |
| kelvan | maybe working end call | 22:30 |
| Venemo | well, what I need most now are 1) a working browser (with real tabs) 2) a working email client | 22:30 |
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| Venemo | most of the other stuff works well enough for me for now | 22:31 |
| kelvan | or less than 5sec to react if phone sleeps | 22:31 |
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| kelvan | missing usable alarm with basic settings | 22:32 |
| special | kelvan: "working end call"? | 22:32 |
| kelvan | if screen is black it doesn't wake up fast enough | 22:33 |
| kelvan | short calls are ok longer calls are annoying | 22:33 |
| Venemo | what's wrong with the alarm? | 22:33 |
| Venemo | it worksforme | 22:33 |
| kelvan | random ringtones, snooze static and it is disabled much too easy if you are not fully awake | 22:34 |
| suy | The alarms look awesome. Even the timers. But I need some alarm app that asks me a captcha or something to _really_ turn off. | 22:34 |
| kelvan | there are also reports with wrong alarm time | 22:34 |
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| Venemo | hm, well, I haven't missed any exams because of it | 22:35 |
| kelvan | the pully stuff is strange, if the phone lays the other way round it snooze or dismiss afaik | 22:35 |
| suy | I wanted to make an alarm app. But the APIs to make it, I think, are not harbour ready yet. | 22:35 |
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| kelvan | also the cover of clock is confusing, active timer is small thing at the bottom first alarm is from yesterday alarm for tomorrow is somewhere in the middle | 22:37 |
| kelvan | automatic email sync is also completly broken | 22:37 |
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| kelvan | intelligent switching between wifi and umts doesn't exist, "Server not found" page is a nogo if you have wifi in range and umts, but it doesn't use any of it without going into settings | 22:39 |
| kelvan | wpa-enterprise also not implemented in gui | 22:40 |
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| Venemo | not yet | 22:43 |
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| petantik | +1 for Exchange provisioning | 22:52 |
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| RzR | Stskeeps, gz https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/technical_introduction_to_the_deeper_parts_of_sailfishos,_a_qt5_wayland_based_mobile_os/ | 23:02 |
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| HtheB | Elleo: you there? | 23:09 |
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| HtheB | I guess not :P | 23:11 |
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