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| joonahoi | SpeedEvil: there is an positive indication already for native apps - the icon | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh. | 00:53 |
| joonahoi | for native apps they have this sailfish / harbour icon template | 00:53 |
| * SpeedEvil is not 100% awake. | 00:53 | |
| joonahoi | and for 'droid apps it's just the basic rectangular icon | 00:53 |
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| joonahoi | few droid apps seem to have this square icon themselves though, it's a bit misleading | 00:56 |
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| entil | hehe, had an interesting bug in the sms importer due to the ide deployment running the app from a different cwd than the actual phone :D | 07:13 |
| entil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1404432#post1404432 | 07:13 |
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| AL13N | who did all that voteforme tag thing? that just sounds stupid | 08:15 |
| AL13N | ericcc: is there anything useful with that tag, or should we just remove it? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | that's not eric from together | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:16 |
| AL13N | oh | 08:16 |
| AL13N | oops | 08:16 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: what do you think then, | 08:16 |
| * Stskeeps points to eleroux | 08:16 | |
| AL13N | ? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't wake up | 08:16 |
| AL13N | np | 08:16 |
| AL13N | i'll just follow my gut and remove all those | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | check history perhaps | 08:17 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: retagging isn't detailed | 08:18 |
| AL13N | i can't tell who added the tag | 08:18 |
| AL13N | though looks like lbt did this | 08:18 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: you know lbt, | 08:18 |
| AL13N | ? | 08:18 |
| * Stskeeps points to lbt | 08:18 | |
| eleroux | Stskeeps, AL13N: afaik, lbt created the tag :) | 08:19 |
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| fk_lx | AL13N: https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/416174691514994688 | 08:19 |
| AL13N | eleroux: does it have any use? it does sound weird | 08:19 |
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| fk_lx | shit, because of Jolla I couldn't answer a call | 08:21 |
| fk_lx | Jolla the phone, not company | 08:21 |
| AL13N | eleroux: since you're the most active togetherer, i'd defer to your judgement | 08:21 |
| fk_lx | just got screen with only background and there was no answer in pulley menu | 08:21 |
| eleroux | AL13N: imho, it was initially created to encourage ppl to vote though as it hasn't been used extensively we could remove it as long as lbt agrees? | 08:22 |
| eleroux | lbt: ^^ | 08:22 |
| fk_lx | in fact adding that tag caused lbt to receives minus votes ;-) | 08:24 |
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| AL13N | fk_lx: how do you figure that? | 08:27 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: figure what? | 08:28 |
| AL13N | how does adding a tag receive you minus votes? | 08:28 |
| pp_ | voteformewithnegativevotes? | 08:29 |
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| fk_lx | AL13N: well this tag didn't directly add minus votes, it only resulted in people adding minus votes to lbt's answer or question, whatevere that was | 08:30 |
| AL13N | oh, like that | 08:30 |
| AL13N | https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/ <-- not alot of people coming, it seems | 08:32 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: maybe they are hiding ;-) | 08:33 |
| fk_lx | w00t, Stskeeps: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4gi8n1routit35n/ln53uo3U0k | 08:33 |
| fk_lx | w00t, Stskeeps: this is call screen | 08:33 |
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| Stskeeps | fk_lx: i'm going to presume this is 1.0.2.5 | 08:34 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: yep | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: can you do a dump of journalctl -n 3000 and mail it to me? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | carsten.munk at jolla.com | 08:34 |
| ko_ | does anyone's google account unlink itself every now and then? | 08:35 |
| atlaz | Yeup | 08:35 |
| ko_ | i keep getting a message that it requires authentication | 08:35 |
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| atlaz | and then links itself back - by itself | 08:35 |
| kor | mine doesn't | 08:35 |
| kor | :< | 08:35 |
| Quu | needs WLAN for me | 08:36 |
| Quu | for automatic and manual reconnect. | 08:36 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: in a moment, hmmm shader compilation failed, ups :-) | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :) | 08:38 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, why do I keep getting notified that there's an update 1.2.5? When it's already installed? | 08:53 |
| tbr | known bug | 08:53 |
| Plnt_ | AL13N: probably just not many people noticed. i overlooked the thread on together, too. now upvoted and looking forward to see some jolla folks on fosdem :) | 08:53 |
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| ggabriel | morning | 09:15 |
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| AL13N | Plnt: since people answered rather than commented, it's pretty much invisible for most folks | 09:30 |
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| chem|st | the bugger just closed all open apps - shortly after showing connection issues and then telling I have a system upgrade available | 09:33 |
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| chem|st | CoderCandy: the same... did something crash before it showed up? | 09:41 |
| CoderCandy | Well, I had some problems upgrading in the first place | 09:41 |
| CoderCandy | So I had to reinstall the store in order to uptade | 09:41 |
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| kelvan | https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-2014-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/ | 09:46 |
| kelvan | ups sry | 09:46 |
| kelvan | wrong window | 09:46 |
| kelvan | I'll be there :) | 09:47 |
| tachikom1 | moin | 09:47 |
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| yanoo | anyone knows when we can expect a new system update? AFAIR Jolla was planning to made updates quite often | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | we released last one on 27th or how was it? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | which is two weeks ago | 09:51 |
| * tachikom1 wrote his first qml app over christmas :) | 09:51 | |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: oh update2 is so old? got the notification last week :) | 09:51 |
| kelvan | release soon, release often ;) | 09:52 |
| fk_lx | 27th of January for the next one ? :-P | 09:52 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: every two weeks would be nice :D | 09:52 |
| tachikom1 | mh, is there a changelog on the latest one? | 09:52 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: :-) | 09:52 |
| atlaz | tachikom1: somewhere on together | 09:53 |
| Plnt | just don't release it 1-2 days before fosdem so there won't be lot of people with bricked or factory reseted phones :D | 09:53 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: is there something like a (evnmore-)betatest opt-in? testing new stuff earlier, but with low risk of blowing-up the system | 09:53 |
| fk_lx | tachikom1: on together, on sailfish-devel mailing list etc. | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | yup, last update was about 27th, then at least a week of ppl on holidays, not sure what an update now would do | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | kelvan: not yet. there's a couple of challenges in that | 09:54 |
| Pnuu | tachikom1: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ | 09:55 |
| kelvan | imo 2 updates around the christmas time is quite alot | 09:55 |
| tachikom1 | fk_lx: thx | 09:55 |
| tachikom1 | i did not yet know together and google search did not show it | 09:55 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: some very annoying bugs had to be fixed fast | 09:55 |
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| fk_lx | kelvan: let's hope TOH bug will be fixed in next update ;-) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 09:55 |
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| ggabriel | kelvan: the first update around xmas was almost a single bug | 09:56 |
| tachikom1 | and i really started liking the ui after getting used to it | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | so, there was one "real" update | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | not true | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | sales release (1.0.0.5), update1 (1.0.1.10), update 1 + a hotfix for store (1.0.1.12) + update 2 (1.0.2.5) | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: for me update1 wasn't around xmas | 09:57 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: of course, the toh thing should be fixed or worked-around soon, maybe it would be better deactivating tohd with an update until it's fixed. | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | upate1: 9 dec | 09:58 |
| entil | the one around xmas had camera for android | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | update2: 27 dec | 09:58 |
| entil | not sure if that was the single bug though | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | and the hotfix was what? a week or week-ish close to update2? | 09:58 |
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| fk_lx | kelvan: I don't think deactivating it in an update is likely to happen - it's important advertised feature, I'd rather expect it to be fixed or not fixed in next update but not activated | 09:58 |
| entil | anyone know when the next update is due? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | when it's ready :) | 09:59 |
| entil | that's what I'm asking ;P | 09:59 |
| entil | so it's a no ;P | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: agree re toh, fixed or active | 09:59 |
| entil | which is fine | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | (it's too easy to deactivate anyway) | 09:59 |
| entil | I don't bother. I can recharge daily | 09:59 |
| entil | keep the battery on its toes | 09:59 |
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| kelvan | ggabriel: it's easy for us, but not for normal users | 10:00 |
| kelvan | I had to recharge twice a day before deactivating tohd | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: yeah, i know, normal users can charge daily like entil. that's what you do with pretty much any other phone these days | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | you must be a power user kelvan :) | 10:01 |
| kelvan | not realy :P | 10:01 |
| fk_lx | the thing I'm thinking about is I wonder how to make a privliged app | 10:01 |
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| pp_ | powersave mode would still be nice :-) | 10:02 |
| kelvan | btw there was a review in heise today: http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Das-Jollaphone-im-Test-2074985.html (de) | 10:02 |
| fk_lx | so I could create an app for users that could possibly have privliged rights and make things like for example disabling TOH | 10:02 |
| pp_ | if battery < 10%, killall android :-) | 10:02 |
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| tachikom1 | i have weird battery experience wit the device | 10:03 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/8251/kdesu-like-running-apps-as-root/ | 10:03 |
| tachikom1 | sometimes it seems to last about double the time than other times, while idling | 10:03 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: I even quite understood the beginning of it despite my lack of German language knowledge ;-) | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | my battery life is 2x the n9, easily | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | but without android and switching off tohd.service | 10:07 |
| lbt | AL13N: pong | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | it shouln't be hard to create a couple of icons to switch android on/off | 10:07 |
| ggabriel | in case you want to use it sparingly | 10:07 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: the say the interface is sometimes inconsisdent, and battery time is bad, because they haven't tested tohd fix yet | 10:08 |
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| kelvan | will there be a fix for android sound problem soon? </impatient> | 10:10 |
| lbt | AL13N: eleroux fk_lx : reasoning behind voteforme ... https://together.jolla.com/question/427/break-down-your-ideasfeature-requests/#post-id-496 ... I think the idea has merit but also happy that it's synonymous with "feature request" (although it was supposed to be a generic "I want opinion on this matter" to support community initiatives too - not just not "jolla please do this") | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | lbt: ah and I thought that tag "voteforme" meant you want to take part as candidate in elections for UK prime minister :-P | 10:12 |
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| lbt | that too ... I am a paid up member of a political party now \o/ | 10:13 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: simple fix is to restart apkd.service | 10:13 |
| fk_lx | lbt: oh really? | 10:13 |
| lbt | yes - I actually joined TPP | 10:13 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: yeah, but it reappears from time to time, that's a bit annoying | 10:13 |
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| fk_lx | lbt: pirate party ? | 10:14 |
| lbt | yep | 10:14 |
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| fk_lx | lbt: congratz! sailor-pirate :-) | 10:14 |
| lbt | arrr | 10:14 |
| tachikom1 | lbt: welcome to the club ;) | 10:14 |
| lbt | :) | 10:14 |
| lbt | so ... voteforme ... would appreciate some constructive debate there ... right now tjc is a bit of a mess IMNSHO ... | 10:15 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: yeah it's indeed annoying, but it's better than no Android apps on Jolla :-) | 10:15 |
| fk_lx | lbt: it's is, but not that big mess ;-) | 10:16 |
| lbt | I followed up on the ml too | 10:16 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: d'accord | 10:16 |
| lbt | no - but the feature-request stuff drowns out the support stuff massively | 10:16 |
| fk_lx | lbt: I agree | 10:17 |
| lbt | anyhow ... gotta go do stuff but just FYI and consideration | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | i agree tjc is a bit of a mess right now, but i'll give it a bit of time | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | support stuff will dry off | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | and we'll end up with more ideas/discussions | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | (hopefully) | 10:17 |
| lbt | ggabriel: did you read that link ? | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | lbt: no :) | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | but let's read it | 10:17 |
| lbt | *g* | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | lbt: well, that's an old one | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | so i read it ages ago | 10:18 |
| lbt | OK np | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | and i agree in general | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | i was commenting on "it's a mess" | 10:18 |
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| ggabriel | which is true | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | but i think it's invaluable to jolla right now | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | i'm patient, i'm happy to give tjc at 3-6 months before changing it | 10:19 |
| fk_lx | maybe some clear separation between support and ideas stuff btw. why those questions cannot be colored up in the search view? ;-) | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | now, lbt, -2?! wtf?! | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | i'll give you a vote | 10:19 |
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| lbt | fk_lx: exactly - and actually we can (I think) do that stuff quite easily with tags | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: my point was: the support ones will go away. but also: can askbot do that? | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | lbt: agree 110% re tags | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | skunkworks is all about long term ideas for instance | 10:21 |
| Pnuu | if I see a tag "voteforme", I really don't know what that should mean | 10:22 |
| fk_lx | lbt: I think the voteforme tag is in use, but it's named idea or feature-request | 10:22 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 10:23 |
| Pnuu | also, those are much more descriptive IMHO | 10:23 |
| lbt | fk_lx: agreed - but see my comment above as to why I think that's suboptimal. Crowdsourcing rarely leads to a good design :/ | 10:23 |
| fk_lx | lbt: but wasn't the Together intetion also to be a vault of ideas, for Jolla to pick up interesting ones? | 10:24 |
| lbt | no | 10:24 |
| fk_lx | lbt: instead of only support | 10:24 |
| lbt | it was to foster community contributions and collaborations | 10:25 |
| lbt | "lets do this" not "do this for me" | 10:25 |
| lbt | featurerequest is (I think) more "do this for me" | 10:25 |
| fk_lx | lbt: I agree, but it still useful feedback what is wanted | 10:25 |
| Pnuu | in the text box, it says "search, ask or submit idea" | 10:26 |
| lbt | +1 | 10:26 |
| lbt | I agree that there is always the possibility of a community app solving a request - but now such things are unfindable | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | the "submit idea" suggest "I'd want this to be implemented" | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | ok, my email client has just lost sync with the server (imap). can i delete the ~/.qmf as i used to in harmattan? | 10:26 |
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| lbt | anyhow ... I really gotta go :) | 10:26 |
| fk_lx | lbt: enjoy the work ;-) | 10:26 |
| lbt | I do :D | 10:26 |
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| kelvan | will be there a toh-hardware specification (i2c docs, 3D-print file) in the next month? want to hack some 6lowpan stuff together with merlin1991 | 10:33 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: might want to join #Sailfish channel, that's the place where such stuff was intended to happen | 10:34 |
| fk_lx | kelvan: pioneering ;-) | 10:34 |
| kelvan | fk_lx: thanks, I'll join :) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | there's some stuff in TMO re toh specs too | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | somebody already managed to put a small OLED screen and feed info to it | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | but that means reverse engineering, not following any official spec | 10:35 |
| kelvan | ggabriel: thx, do you have a link? | 10:36 |
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| ggabriel | kelvan: let me find them | 10:36 |
| Pnuu | oh yeah, I needed to order the solar cells | 10:36 |
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| ggabriel | kelvan: physical keyboard: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: oled display: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92239 | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | first thread may be quite long | 10:37 |
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| ggabriel | oh, and there's an app to monitor the i2c bus too, linked somewhere in there | 10:38 |
| tachikom1 | Pnuu: do you know if are there any pv cells around with higher performance than what was available about 10 years ago? | 10:38 |
| kelvan | ggabriel: cool stuff, merci :) | 10:38 |
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| Pnuu | tachikom1: no idea, just browsing ebay for cheap ones :-D | 10:38 |
| tachikom1 | ah, ok | 10:39 |
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| tachikom1 | i was reading about multijunction cells that should be much better in all light conditions but no idea if that is anywhere close to a product yet | 10:39 |
| tachikom1 | just thought the ones i used some years ago would not be very usefull to charge anything | 10:40 |
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| ggabriel | does tjc send you emails? | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | ah, what do you know, it does | 10:45 |
| ggabriel | but with a header error, so i never get them :) | 10:45 |
| Pnuu | I turned it off | 10:45 |
| ggabriel | well, my sendmail is rejecting them | 10:46 |
| Pnuu | the plain-text version didn't have a link to relevant comment/answer/question | 10:46 |
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| fsf-free | Jolla Mobile ? | 10:54 |
| Pnuu | yep | 10:55 |
| Kiranos_ | kelvan: can you translate " http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Das-Jollaphone-im-Test-2074985.html (de)" to english, or summarize? :) | 10:56 |
| entil | ooh! someone ran my app! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92268 | 10:57 |
| tachikom1 | ah, wanted to read that, mnearly forgot, hthx | 10:57 |
| fsf-free | Is there an mobile with working jolla ? | 10:58 |
| kelvan | fsf-free: yes, jolla ;) | 10:58 |
| tachikom1 | mh, the phone was crowdfunded says the heise articel - is that really true? | 10:58 |
| kelvan | tachikom1: don't think so | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | tachikom1: not exactly, they did get a good idea of how many people wanted it with preorders though | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | and i remmeber somebody calling that crowdfunding | 10:59 |
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| tachikom1 | ok, thats how i understodd it | 11:00 |
| ln- | they got some money through preorders too, so it's not entirely wrong to say it was crowdfunded | 11:00 |
| kelvan | Kiranos_: I can try, in short, they say hardware is lower middleclass ... | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | ln-: hence my "not exactly", but i'm not familiar with the definition of "crowdfunding", i don't think there is one though | 11:00 |
| kelvan | ln-: they used crowdfunding but don't crowdfunded the entire project | 11:01 |
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| kelvan | Kiranos_: the find some gestures unintuitive, but all in all it's ok if you get used to it | 11:02 |
| tachikom1 | Kiranos_: they are positive about android support | 11:02 |
| kelvan | but heise is sometimes a bit clumsy with new interfaces | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | like theverge :) | 11:02 |
| tachikom1 | they tried skype videocalls and so on | 11:03 |
| tachikom1 | and it worked ;) | 11:03 |
| kelvan | Kiranos_: tachikom1 but also note that there is a own multitaskink inside android vm | 11:03 |
| tachikom1 | they say, camera picture quality is bad | 11:03 |
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| kelvan | they done benchmarks and say android apps run at the same speed as on android | 11:04 |
| ottulo | kelvan: some run faster on my Jolla than on GSII | 11:04 |
| tachikom1 | they complain about battery runtime and say that one big battery killer is a software bug which causes continous nfc searches, causing battery drain | 11:05 |
| kelvan | ottulo: I have some "problems" with eg duolingo app in landscape, slide animation look strange | 11:05 |
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| kelvan | looks like vsync problem | 11:05 |
| ottulo | kelvan: not an app I know, so I can't say | 11:06 |
| tachikom1 | they state missing settings for privacy | 11:06 |
| ottulo | but I have some graphical issues with certain apps, | 11:06 |
| ottulo | nothing major or even very distracting, as it's on the load screen | 11:07 |
| kelvan | some apps get black screen after app changes | 11:07 |
| tachikom1 | in general it seems to me like the most complete review | 11:07 |
| tachikom1 | that i read up to now | 11:07 |
| kelvan | heise also critisised the tab-browsing in jolla-browser | 11:07 |
| kelvan | reloads on tab change | 11:07 |
| kelvan | and no landscape | 11:07 |
| ottulo | that tab reload is annoying | 11:08 |
| ottulo | especially on pages that have forms (like some local transport search engines) | 11:08 |
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| ggabriel | thanks for translating for the poor people, guys | 11:10 |
| kelvan | but they say its fun to navigate because it's smooth | 11:10 |
| kelvan | ottulo: yup, but it's even worse on android, I tried a asus tablet, android-browser and chrome reloads after app change | 11:11 |
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| ggabriel | good, the email client recovered the out of sync from the imap server | 11:12 |
| kelvan | oh, and jolla-store is chaos, as they say. comments, likes, new apps all shuffeld together | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | so it's nowhere near as bad as the harmattan one | 11:13 |
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| kelvan | and not theora support | 11:13 |
| ln- | the jolla store is a chaos | 11:14 |
| fk_lx | ln-: +1 | 11:15 |
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| Kiranos_ | kelvan: thanks! | 11:18 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... i think i'll start ignoring all the posts concerning the email application | 11:38 |
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| CoderCandy | what posts? | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | the ones in tjc | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | posts/answers/comments :) | 11:41 |
| CoderCandy | ah, I don't hang around there as much as I should... | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | well, i try to contribute, but i really think the email application needs to be in its next iteration to continue being constructive | 11:41 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: agreed | 11:42 |
| CoderCandy | what are people saying about the email thing? | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: slow/downloads all emails/crashes/doesn't display html correctly/lacks unicorns | 11:43 |
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| CoderCandy | oh... I don't have any problems with that :p | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | some of them are quite reproducible | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | i couldn't crash it until i got a 9000 bytes email | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | but in general it's quite good actually, i mentioned before that it doesn't get out of sync of dovecot as much as harmattan's used to | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | that makes me happy | 11:46 |
| CoderCandy | Ah, I dont check my mail that much on the Jolla, most of the time I sit at my comp when I get them :p | 11:46 |
| svuorela_ | hmm... what format to use to request internet setup things from my telco to get my jolla phone setup ? | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | svuorela_: how about asking what jolla requires? | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | svuorela_: as in: ask the exact questions that your phone asks you | 11:52 |
| svuorela_ | ggabriel: there is 'enter a lot of things' possibility, but I prefer if it is possible to receive it from the telco | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | svuorela_: what i mean is, ask your telco all the settings that are in the jolla | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | i think they were: access point name, user and password | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | go to settings->mobile connection->long tap on the mobile connection->edit | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | you'll see them there | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | you can even get a screenshot and send it to them :) | 11:57 |
| svuorela_ | ggabriel: I can get them, but I prefer to not have to enter them .. | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | oh, i see what you mean | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | well, i don't know that :) that's a telco issue really | 11:57 |
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| ggabriel | there is usually something that you can do to get a service sms from them | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | it varies... in the uk vodafone is a manual thing (and it's a very large one) but three.co.uk is automatic (and that's a smallish one) | 11:58 |
| svuorela_ | I can request a service sms from them. I've requested for a n9 and a n900. | 12:00 |
| svuorela_ | but nothing received | 12:00 |
| svuorela_ | oh well. let me enter it | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | svuorela_: then i don't know i'm afraid... i didn't have to deal with this stuff in the last 5-6 years | 12:01 |
| Pnuu | I got the connection settings automatically from saunalahti | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | nb: some telcos are lazy, and it may be your case. nothing to do with jolla IMO | 12:01 |
| Pnuu | no idea what the format was :-P | 12:01 |
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| ggabriel | if the format is for the letter ot the telco, it should be "to whom it may concern, could you please upgrade your infrastructure to 2014 standards? thanks" | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | :) | 12:03 |
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| kopla | Hi! Because of my enthusiasm for Jolla also my boss got interested of Jolla. He couldn't install the sailfish-maps from the store. There comes an error "Problem with store". How to fix the problem? Reseting the device isn't an option for him. | 12:14 |
| Pnuu | which OS version? | 12:15 |
| kopla | Maadajävri | 12:16 |
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| Pnuu | kopla: maybe this helps? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 12:18 |
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| pahartik | ShadowJK: Proxy situation acknowledged | 12:22 |
| kopla | Pnuu: didn't help | 12:22 |
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| ottulo | I keep having the problem that the phone speaker is very loud | 12:55 |
| ottulo | I was just talking with my gf and no matter how low I tried to set the volume it was still a bit too loud to be comfortable - even when the volume level appeared as "muted" | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | Aard: how is the sdcard issue coming? | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: it's always loud when i speak to my gf, i can fix it by ending the call and blaming poor receptoin ;-) | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: but on a serious note, i think there is a question about that in tjc (or maybe i read it several times in tmo) | 12:58 |
| tabasko | ottulo: same here. Also other settings have little affect. Like display brightness. It burns my eyes on morning altought it is set at lowest | 12:58 |
| ottulo | all right, so I'm not alone | 12:59 |
| svuorela_ | how do I get to the notification screen if I have no apps open ? | 12:59 |
| chem|st | svuorela_: same way as wioth apps open | 12:59 |
| Pnuu | bottoms up | 13:00 |
| chem|st | the bottom gesture works from any view | 13:00 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I might have an idea where that tracker indexing trouble is coming from... or other trouble (and it just came to mind that I owe you a video) | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | my jolla keeps deciding to disconnect from wlan and connect to 3g :) | 13:02 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: having connection issues with wifi just killed my gsm reception and tracker is gone mad again - the tracker issue might be a hangup with indexing facebook -> thing is you'd need a testbench for things like that | 13:03 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: mine too... | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: indexing facebook, what? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:03 |
| chem|st | indexing pictures from facebook?! | 13:04 |
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| chem|st | it just happened all at the same time so I thought it might be related | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: Aard ^ | 13:05 |
| chem|st | I lost my sdcard content again, gsm went down and wifi said problem with connection | 13:05 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: btw does the chip support 5GHz? 30c3 called 2.4GHz obsolete... | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: according to the ccc, the gsm encryption is obsolete and we're still using it :) | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: 2.4ghz only | 13:07 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: for the longshot Columbus Navigation Toolkit as official Jolla app would be neat (at least a vessel >=Jolla needs something like that)- exporting Glonass/GPS to toh via nfc/i2c | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: well, alterego does work with us.. | 13:09 |
| kelvan | 2.4GHz shouldn't be a problem for the next years, afaik range is higher with 2.4 | 13:09 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: according to me gsm is obsolete | 13:09 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I tried to ping him several times | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i keep very busy | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | +him | 13:10 |
| kelvan | chem|st: according to all sane peaople gsm is obsolete for many years ;) | 13:10 |
| kelvan | one more thing from the heise review, gps forces you to use nokia location services and map nearby wifi hotspots, is this true? | 13:12 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: alterego_ is one of the best I know... asking for alpha testing and handing over a RC at least | 13:12 |
| chem|st | kelvan: yes | 13:12 |
| chem|st | kelvan: it even sends data to improve nokia service | 13:13 |
| chem|st | kelvan: at least that is what heise tells | 13:13 |
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| chem|st | but jolla is calling home too | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | let's just be clear that wifi positioning typically requires querying a database | 13:14 |
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| chem|st | at least from what I read from connman | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: yeah, to check if we're factually online or on a portal | 13:14 |
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| kelvan | Stskeeps: maybe an option to disable wifi positioning would be a good idea | 13:15 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yeah I recognized that is just loads an empty page | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: i think that is a question in tjc already | 13:15 |
| chem|st | kelvan: settings at all would be a good idea... I'd like to test glonass solo | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: well, you are agreeing to the terms when you enable it | 13:15 |
| ljp | chem|st: that 'calling home' is simply an online check. it's either ipv4.jolla.com or default of ipv4.connman.net | 13:15 |
| amccarthy | yes at least it calls our home not someone elses :) | 13:16 |
| chem|st | ljp: jolla.com yes | 13:16 |
| chem|st | ipv4/6 | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: so it can't be split? e.g., i want to use pure gps/glonas, however long it takes to lock a position? | 13:16 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: well, but whats the alternative? no gps at all? | 13:16 |
| kelvan | gsm positioning should be fast and accurate too | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: well, i don't know about UI, but it's possible to not use the SUPL or wireless services if you desire | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | er, wifi positioning | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | you're welcome to have degraded time to fix | 13:17 |
| ljp | the HERE maps web page can use wifi positioining | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | ah, cool, so it's a ui thing then | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | of course, it wouldn't be cool if we tied ourselves to one provider of services | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's geoclue underneath | 13:17 |
| chem|st | kelvan: over here you can navigate with gsm-pos - drove a distance of ~100km with google-maps-MIPS with pure gsm-positioning | 13:18 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: ok, if it's only a gui thing, I'm happy for now :) | 13:18 |
| ljp | I find jolla maps faster at a fix than my wife's n808 | 13:18 |
| amccarthy | Stskeeps: kelvan: it is possible but the implementation currently only check the single location enabled setting. | 13:19 |
| kelvan | I'm looking forward for the mozilla postion query database | 13:19 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: nokia maps framework is awesome powerful | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i can't agree more | 13:19 |
| chem|st | just without offline maps it is useless | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | altho i do remmeber constantly telling the n9 to stop trying to connect while roaming and i was using sports tracker for a quick jog ;-) | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: me too, but i'm sad it's just another secret data set | 13:20 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: what's secret about the mozilla solution? | 13:20 |
| chem|st | on n900/9 you just asked it on CLI and within a second you translated any location to GPScoords or the other way round... | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | kelvan: if you notice, there's absolutely nowhere to download the dataset | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | which means it's query and write only | 13:21 |
| kelvan | Stskeeps: maybe because the project just started and there is not much to download | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: not sure about how to do it from within the CLI - eventually i used pure gps from within modrana and it worked extremelly well | 13:21 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: is that because of some legislation to protect this kind of "personal" data? | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'd much rather have something like OSM for wifi positioning | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: let's just say there's value in the data. | 13:21 |
| Plnt | yeah i get this reason. i'm just wondering if they are not blocked by some law. | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | but you could reason that asking people to scan around is similarly problematic :P | 13:22 |
| Plnt | there were some issues with the google street view cards gathering wifi data | 13:22 |
| kelvan | mozilla positioning should work offline too, that's the whole idea behind it, at least according of a mozilla guy I know | 13:22 |
| Plnt | so maybe they are just afraid to release something | 13:22 |
| Plnt | s/cards/cars/ | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: Plnt: it could be licensed, not sure why mozilla/google/etc have the right to record this, but somebody else doesn't | 13:22 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I had some fun with alterego_ on dbus queries for location framework on n900 | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | personally i'd just like a big DHT instead | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | Plnt: lol "some issue" :) | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: +1 | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | the problem with these db's is when people move houses and take their ap with them | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | that's probably why my phone sometimes thinks i'm elsewhere | 13:24 |
| Plnt | :)) | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | and on a more serious note, that's why non-wifi positioning is palatable: i want to be able to tell the phone "forget about wifi because i'm not where you think i am" | 13:25 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: that is not only for wifi... I had a bad 3Gtower entry - putting me 400km in offset making it impossible to get a fix as the cache was replaced with the one for 400km away | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: uggghh | 13:25 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: quiet stupid to overwrite a freshly received cache | 13:25 |
| * ggabriel votes for earth magnetic field positioning | 13:25 | |
| chem|st | ggabriel: that doesn't work | 13:26 |
| * ggabriel is half joking | 13:26 | |
| chem|st | ggabriel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination | 13:28 |
| tachikom1 | ggabriel: star based ;) | 13:28 |
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| Pnuu | sextant-TOH | 13:28 |
| tachikom1 | ggabriel: was afaik used for the first intercontinental ballistic missles | 13:28 |
| tachikom1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_guidance#Celestial_guidance | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: thanks, that will be a good read | 13:29 |
| chem|st | I am a sailor... in terms of mobilephones and the previously used term for seaman | 13:29 |
| tango_ | cool idea, take a picture of the sky, find where you are | 13:30 |
| chem|st | that is why I actually need Columbus... I take my N900 with me any time but some day it will stop working and there is no single app in android store or itunes I like more | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: perhaps for that use case you need a proper gps+compass... | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | i don't mind replacing a car gps as getting lost in a car isn't too risky, but getting lost @ sea can be dangerous | 13:31 |
| tachikom1 | tango_: afaik it did not really work very well | 13:32 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: I have everything on board and the other way round would be interesting too... a toh connection to the onboard systems | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: that'd be cool :) | 13:33 |
| chem|st | and several times we had a bad circuit and I was actually on stopwatch and handcompass... you can never have enough gps ready devices on a boat | 13:34 |
| kopla | I ask again... Because of my enthusiasm for Jolla also my boss got interested of Jolla. He couldn't install the sailfish-maps from the store. There comes an error "Problem with store". How to fix the problem? Reseting the device isn't an option for him. | 13:35 |
| chem|st | kopla: you are repeating yourself | 13:35 |
| chem|st | kopla: have you tried to install it from cli? | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | kopla: and reseting is backup -> tar + copy .vault -> Freset -> copy .vault -> restore | 13:37 |
| kopla | chem|st: pkcon install sailfish-maps --> could not find | 13:37 |
| * ljp can't wait to get back to his normal positioning | 13:37 | |
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| Pnuu | what was that ssu command that shows the active repositories? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | ssu lr | 13:38 |
| Pnuu | ssu lr ? | 13:38 |
| Pnuu | ack | 13:38 |
| chem|st | Pnuu: does not matter... | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | kopla: if the answer in together.jolla.com didn't help, how about you comment with your outcome so that you get help from there too? | 13:38 |
| chem|st | it is jolla-maps isnt it?! | 13:38 |
| chem|st | oh it is sailfish... | 13:39 |
| Pnuu | I was thinking that maybe there's incorrect repo in koplas case, "jolla" instead of "store" or something | 13:40 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: so, to restore after a factory reset you copy over the previously backed up ~/.vault? you don't replace it entirely? | 13:43 |
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| chem|st | never tried not to | 13:46 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: good to know, thanks | 13:46 |
| chem|st | what is the ssu device registration? | 13:47 |
| atlaz | Hey, who and what and where is the Wifi-hotspot app for Jolla? | 13:47 |
| valdur55 | and: ssu lr | 13:47 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: try when you are at it... but having a git repo not restored completely usualy breaks | 13:47 |
| chem|st | atlaz: it is a cli script | 13:47 |
| ljp | atlaz: jolla's tethering has not yet been released | 13:48 |
| atlaz | ljp: i know, but someone released a gui that run the script | 13:48 |
| atlaz | *ran | 13:48 |
| chem|st | valdur55: I mean ssu r | 13:49 |
| petantik | does the btrfs have compression enabled on the device? | 13:49 |
| Jonni | atlaz: https://github.com/jlehtoranta/harbour-tethering-gui/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92206 | 13:51 |
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| atlaz | Jonni: wooo, thanks. Just rememberd i need to go to somekind of seminar tomorrow to present something and i might just need to tether to my laptop | 13:52 |
| tachikom1 | maybe a stupid question, but what credentials should i use for developer repos, the same as for the official ones? | 13:52 |
| Jonni | tachikom1: developer repos / ssu device registration is currently for Jolla employees only, so that is offlimits currently for end users. | 13:53 |
| tachikom1 | Jonni: ah, ok - i was wondering about on how to enable that | 13:54 |
| chem|st | Jonni: so ssu r is the same as dev-reg? | 13:54 |
| chem|st | was jsut wondering as the device is showing as unregistered | 13:54 |
| Jonni | in the future at some point it might be that harbour developers would get early access to next releases etc, but not yet. Yes its the same as ssu r. | 13:55 |
| Jonni | so it should show unregistered for normal users. | 13:55 |
| tachikom1 | so this is not like the devel and testing repos for maemo? | 13:55 |
| Jonni | tachikom1: something like that. | 13:56 |
| tachikom1 | Jonni: i just wonder how i can install apps in testing like i did on n900 | 13:56 |
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| ggabriel | petantik: doesn't look like it... isn't it a planned feature still? | 13:56 |
| chem|st | another thing is I get lots of errors in the form of [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 13:56 |
| Jonni | tachikom1: currently no access to jolla devel repoes. But there are forum instructions how to add openrepoes etc for testing 3rd party apps. | 13:57 |
| Jonni | chem|st: its not an error, [D] == debug == can be ignored. | 13:58 |
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| Jonni | its just a debug message that we forgotten to clean out from release | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | petantik: "As for kernels up to 3.6 it's ZLIB. " (default compression) | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | jolla uses kernel 3.4 | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | maybe that's why viq's 3.12 kernel formatted btrfs wasn't readable on the jolla :) | 13:59 |
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| ggabriel | petantik: search for "compression" here, it may clarify things: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mount_options | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | altho btrfs-show-super doesn't report that, so i don't know | 14:00 |
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| tango_ | petantik: (online|ready) | 14:01 |
| CraigA | how can I flush the dns cache on my jolla? | 14:05 |
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| tachikom1 | Jonni: ah, ok, thx | 14:10 |
| kopla | pkcon search details sailfish-maps --> arm package not found (translations package found) | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon refresh | 14:13 |
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| atlaz | Hngh. I'd give my unborn babys soul to be able to enable/disable wlan/bluetooth/airplane mode from that little "docked" setting-screen. Now it just opens settings | 14:16 |
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| Stskeeps | atlaz: i'm listening.. | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:16 |
| kopla | stskeeps: didn't help | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | kopla: got a jolla account? | 14:16 |
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| kopla | stskeeps: yep | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | and 1.0.2.5 right | 14:17 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: you want a spare soul? | 14:17 |
| atlaz | My cars bluetooth-system if dumb / Jollas Bluetooth is too good. It's connected to my phone even if im ~20m away (as in sitting in my office). So i have to disable bluetooth on my phone every time so it disconnects | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: they come in handy sometimes | 14:17 |
| Pnuu | atlaz: https://together.jolla.com/question/386/cover-action-on-settings-app/ | 14:17 |
| atlaz | And enable it every time i go to the car | 14:17 |
| kopla | stskeeps: 1.0.2.5 | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | kopla: ok, going to reflash a device, upgrade it, try download | 14:18 |
| AL13N | atlaz: wow, that's a good distance! | 14:18 |
| atlaz | AL13N: hell yeah. One day i was wondering why my phone wasn't getting any calls | 14:18 |
| Pnuu | 20 m over bluetooth? whee | 14:18 |
| flux | atlaz, the only option is to wrap your car in aluminum foil | 14:18 |
| AL13N | tin foil FTW | 14:19 |
| atlaz | Then i saw 30 unanswered calls and then saw, that my phone was still connected to the BT | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, bluetooth can do 100m, 50m in LE | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | so 20m is still fairly good | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:19 |
| flux | but the bt peer is inside a car | 14:19 |
| flux | so it's pretty good considering that | 14:19 |
| atlaz | On android i had a bluetooth widget so i could easilly enable/disable with one button | 14:19 |
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| pp_ | ideally you would select an ambience when you're at the office that disables the car BT :-) | 14:20 |
| AL13N | atlaz: in that link ( https://together.jolla.com/question/386/cover-action-on-settings-app/ ) my comment states to break design and press icons for on/off. | 14:20 |
| flux | I don't think my car radio uses BT though when the car (and the radio with it) is turned off :) | 14:20 |
| pp_ | ideally the office ambience would also disable all sounds in games | 14:20 |
| pp_ | etc. :-) | 14:20 |
| atlaz | :P | 14:20 |
| AL13N | atlaz: is it a convertible? (ie: no faraday cage) and parked outside? | 14:20 |
| flux | ideally the office ambience (or just call it profile..) would automatically activate when you get to corporate wlan | 14:20 |
| pp_ | if I'm playing angry birds in the loo, I don't want my coworkers to know | 14:20 |
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| AL13N | flux: or swap TOH | 14:21 |
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| atlaz | AL13N: nope, a Skoda Octavia Combi :) | 14:21 |
| flux | ideally^2 there would be a program that would allow one to enter a set of rules and actions to perform based on that | 14:21 |
| Kiranos_ | yea I have remote controls for my server that barely make 2 meters over bluetooth and then I have xbox360/ps3 controllers with great range, so bluetooth varies range extremely with quality | 14:21 |
| atlaz | pp_: but changing ambience or TOH is much harder than pressing one button :) | 14:21 |
| pp_ | well, actually there's too much menu space for ambience switching :-) | 14:21 |
| flux | atlaz, maybe you could try parking your auto the other way around, the radio field may not be symmetrical :) | 14:21 |
| atlaz | flux: well... automatic ambience change on WLAN <--- you win the price | 14:21 |
| atlaz | *prize | 14:22 |
| Kiranos_ | maybe an app like tasker for jolla | 14:22 |
| flux | n9 had 'profilematic' | 14:22 |
| Kiranos_ | where you can program automatic taskes beeing performed based on consitions | 14:22 |
| kelvan | location based ambience would be a epic win :) | 14:22 |
| flux | it would probably work fine. I think it supported criteria other than time ranges.. | 14:22 |
| Kiranos_ | like hooking up to an office wlan | 14:22 |
| Kiranos_ | time of day etc | 14:22 |
| AL13N | pp_: https://together.jolla.com/question/1050/link-allprevious-changes-to-toh/ also has multiple profiles that can be linked to one TOH ( perhaps some extra rules for auto-profile selection would do the trick) | 14:23 |
| atlaz | Umm.. Dumb question. How can i download a file with on my jolla thru SSH? wget doesn't work :) | 14:23 |
| flux | atlaz, curl | 14:23 |
| kelvan | curl | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: curl -O == wget | 14:23 |
| kelvan | or curl <url> > filename | 14:24 |
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| ln- | ggabriel: in some circumstances, yes | 14:25 |
| kehnoo_ | my Jolla turns off randomly :( | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | ln-: ? curl -O ? | 14:25 |
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| ln- | ggabriel: yes. it doesn't follow redirects like wget does, and that's quite annoying. | 14:26 |
| flux | -LO | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | ln-: ok, fair enough, it never failed me though | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | but i always get wget as soon as i can anyway | 14:26 |
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| pahartik | atlaz: "scp -pr" | 14:27 |
| ln- | flux: thanks, i'll try that the next time | 14:27 |
| atlaz | Woo, tethering on my Jolla. | 14:27 |
| HtheB | hi | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | breaking news: my jolla picked wlan while connected to mobile data for the first time | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | it's learning | 14:28 |
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| ottulo | the secret we all didn't expect: Jolla AI is self-developing, in just a few years it'll take over the world! | 14:30 |
| tachikom1 | psssssssssssssst | 14:30 |
| Pnuu | seanet | 14:30 |
| kelvan | maybe the AI can develop less from more :) | 14:30 |
| Kiranos_ | skynet is here :P | 14:31 |
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| ggabriel | i'll start getting worried when it can operate my coffee machine | 14:33 |
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| ggabriel | so, speaking of conspiracy theories... has anybody else noticed that the "essential apps from jolla" in the jolla store have an icon (the right-most one) that is not on sale? | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | i think it's the file manager.... but is it? | 14:35 |
| Waitee | yes | 14:35 |
| Waitee | it's the icon for jolla filemanager | 14:35 |
| Waitee | i guess it's still too buggy or something | 14:36 |
| Waitee | so they havent put it on the store | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | i know there's a way to install it | 14:36 |
| AL13N | well, we all knew it would come sooner or later | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | but i haven't bothered as, like you say, it may be too alpha | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | and ls/cp/mv works too :) | 14:36 |
| Waitee | yepp | 14:37 |
| Waitee | and there's the unofficial filemanager on jolla store | 14:37 |
| kelvan | oh, there is a second filemanger in the store now | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | i saw at least 2 i think | 14:37 |
| kelvan | cargo dock is new | 14:37 |
| Waitee | oh | 14:38 |
| Waitee | havent noticed that one | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | pycage doing | 14:38 |
| ggabriel | same as tidings, which had an update today | 14:38 |
| kelvan | Waitee: me2 it wasn't there 2 days ago ^^ | 14:38 |
| AL13N | what is this cargo dock? | 14:38 |
| kelvan | AL13N: 2pane filemanger | 14:38 |
| kelvan | haven't tried it yet | 14:39 |
| AL13N | ah | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | oh, i think i know why my phone went from data->wlan | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | the store wants wlan | 14:39 |
| kelvan | ggabriel: lol just as you wrote I saw 3 new updates notification :D | 14:39 |
| kelvan | screenshot and smpc also got update | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | didn't get the screenshot one | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | maybe they're throttling this time round :) | 14:40 |
| Waitee | cargo dock is a bit misleading name for a filemanager | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | ...or maybe i didn't install screenshot yet ;-) | 14:40 |
| kelvan | Waitee: indeed, and the icon too, I thought it was a game | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: one could argue that tidings is a bit misleading for an rss feed reader ;-) | 14:40 |
| ggabriel | i thought cargo had something to do with the wire | 14:41 |
| AL13N | btw: all these updates, what did they fix? https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description#10564 | 14:41 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: indeed :D | 14:41 |
| kelvan | ggabriel: at least the icon is not misleading ;) | 14:41 |
| Waitee | kelvan: true | 14:41 |
| Waitee | why is it named "tidings" | 14:41 |
| Waitee | :D | 14:41 |
| Waitee | stupid name | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: i can notice the differences in tidings, but i don't know for sure | 14:41 |
| kelvan | is there something like changelog feature for store apps? I want to know what cool things added with the updates | 14:42 |
| AL13N | kelvan: see link :) | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: http://www.answers.com/topic/tiding | 14:42 |
| AL13N | plz vote up | 14:42 |
| AL13N | we need to know what has changed, and my answer should relatively painlessly fix that | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i think pycage has a better grasp of the english language than me | 14:43 |
| mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/hy9s34f | 14:43 |
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| Waitee | oh | 14:44 |
| Waitee | i thought it had something to do with cleaning as in tidy | 14:44 |
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| ggabriel | the "available sailfish upgrade" went away too | 14:45 |
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| mikma | http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_outsells_iphone_5c_and_iphone_5s_at_finnish_carrier_dna-news-7464.php | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | meh, but dna had low stock i read | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | and ithings sold the most in finland apparently | 14:47 |
| Waitee | lol | 14:49 |
| Waitee | jolla is quite overhyped i think | 14:49 |
| Waitee | it's nice though | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 14:49 |
| Waitee | but hype always creates antihype and thats damaging | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | i'll be happy if they can reach financial sustainability in the next year | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | Fineprint is that all 3 operators said they would've sold more 5s and 5c if there had been more of them to sell | 14:50 |
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| Waitee | it's marketed as a sales victory for jolla :D | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | yeah, of course | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | also, if jolla came out with an official physical keyboard other half, i'd buy it | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | like, click+buy | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | no questions asked, no reviews read, nothing :) | 14:53 |
| Nicd- | I'd buy it in an instant | 14:53 |
| Waitee | lol | 14:53 |
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| tachikom1 | Waitee: mh, not sure but i think the jolla hype mainly manifestst among jolla fans. Nobody around me even knew that there is something else beside iphone and anroid now | 14:54 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: you already know everything about jolla | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | but if anybody else did it, i'd wait for a review, look closer | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: of course not | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | just dreaming with unicorns ;-) | 14:54 |
| Nicd- | tachikom1: my mom of all people told me she considers buying a jolla | 14:54 |
| Nicd- | even before I told her about it | 14:54 |
| Waitee | tachikom1: well i study IT so it's well known in our guild | 14:54 |
| AL13N | what's with all the damn unicorns | 14:54 |
| Waitee | it's become like apple was | 14:54 |
| tachikom1 | Waitee: yes, but i think that guild is educated enought to make sane decissio ... oh wait ;) | 14:55 |
| Waitee | over hyped :D | 14:55 |
| AL13N | need more Riot-marketing :-) | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: dunno, i think Stskeeps or w00t mentioned it in the past and now i want htem | 14:55 |
| Waitee | i told my parents not to buy jolla | 14:55 |
| Waitee | at least not yet | 14:55 |
| tachikom1 | riot-marketing sounds like a concept with a violent future :) | 14:55 |
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| Nicd- | jolla needs jennifer government style marketing | 14:56 |
| Nicd- | ;) | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | we've (not yet) been running naked down the helsinki streets | 14:56 |
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| * tachikom1 is looking for helsinki webcams .... | 14:56 | |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: lol | 14:56 |
| AL13N | Nicd-: what's that? | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: i always thought that if you're ever so drunk to do that, you won't remember it anyway | 14:56 |
| Waitee | Stskeeps: implicating you have been already running down the helsinki streets? | 14:56 |
| Waitee | i've actually done that once | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | we're too tired to run. it's often 2am when we walk home | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:57 |
| Nicd- | AL13N: shoot some customers buying a jolla at a dna store and steal the phone. will create the impression of crazy demand | 14:57 |
| AL13N | lol | 14:57 |
| AL13N | actually not a bad idea... | 14:57 |
| Waitee | Nicd-: should've done that on the jolla love day | 14:57 |
| Waitee | "love day massacre" | 14:57 |
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| AL13N | lol | 14:58 |
| Waitee | jolla would be in head news all around the globe | 14:58 |
| AL13N | no such thing as bad publicity | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: so true, sadly | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | did you hear about the LG event? | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/lg-promotional-event-goes-horribly-wrong | 14:58 |
| ShadowJK | Just walk into a sports bar and tell the drunks there's people queueing at dna to show their support for the swedish icehockey team | 14:59 |
| AL13N | how about a student doing suicide with a note next to his jolla saying, i finally got one, now i can die | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | the result should be pretty brutal | 14:59 |
| Waitee | true | 14:59 |
| tachikom1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government that sounds like a book i want to read .... | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | I liked it | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh damnit.. | 15:00 |
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| Nicd- | tachikom1: do read it, it's fun | 15:01 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: yes, please, don't do that with Jolla vouchers ;) | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | well that book is now going to my kindle | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:02 |
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| tachikom1 | Nicd-: it sound like it | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | does kindle work on jolla | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | it does | 15:03 |
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| Waitee | i've got rid of most of android apps on jolla | 15:05 |
| Pnuu | I use only one, firefox | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | heh, I gotta adjust the nick colour algorithm of quassel, this channel is 90% pink for me atm o_O | 15:06 |
| Waitee | gotta admit only ones i use are facebook, angry birds and candy crush saga | 15:06 |
| Waitee | and opera mini sometimes | 15:06 |
| Nicd- | angry birds go works \o/ | 15:07 |
| AL13N | merlin1991: you work for DNA? | 15:07 |
| ottulo | Nicd-: it does, but there's an issue with entering login details for a Rovio account | 15:07 |
| merlin1991 | AL13N: last time I checked I didn't | 15:07 |
| ottulo | initially I was unable to log in/create account, it would always crash | 15:07 |
| ottulo | that started to work, but there's still an issue: you can't change text you've entered into the fields | 15:08 |
| ottulo | can't delete or move cursor | 15:08 |
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| HtheB | Waitee: why the mini version? | 15:14 |
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| Waitee | HtheB: works better on poor connectivity | 15:14 |
| HtheB | you can enable "Opera Turbo" which acts as opera mini | 15:15 |
| Waitee | true | 15:15 |
| Waitee | i've just used it since it came to android market 2 years ago or something | 15:15 |
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| HtheB | opera mini looks almost the same as Opera Classic | 15:16 |
| HtheB | which is far superiour | 15:16 |
| Waitee | i like it | 15:16 |
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| ggabriel | not as bad as the lg one, but still funny, the screen he was reading from was probably running android :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DTtns4NCc8&feature=youtu.be | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | (a bit off topic too, sorry ;) ) | 15:18 |
| kelvan | is it hard to build a harmattan app for jolla? I need a foursquare app :) (android fq app needs google stuff) | 15:21 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | https://openrepos.net/content/xmlich02/foursail | 15:22 |
| xmlich02 | HarhaanJohtaja, are you looking for me? | 15:22 |
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| Skorpy | hey, what is the latest Tweetian version available? | 15:24 |
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| Morpog_PC | you can build it yourself, but last time I did, it was really buggy :) | 15:25 |
| anacron | kelvan: you could install google play and google settings as well | 15:25 |
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| Skorpy | Morpog_PC: Yea I have 1.8.2 atm. bit buggy but usable. is there a newer version already built? I don't wanna build it myself :P | 15:26 |
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| kelvan | anacron: would be one possibility, but I'm happy to be google free at the moment :) | 15:27 |
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| kelvan | HarhaanJohtaja: I'll try this out thanks | 15:27 |
| Morpog_PC | don't think so skorpy | 15:27 |
| Skorpy | Morpog_PC: ok, thanks | 15:27 |
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| mikma | hint: Matrix ambience ;) | 15:30 |
| anacron | kelvan: heh! of course I would prefer native apps as well | 15:33 |
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| kelvan | just installed foursail, quite basic feature set atm, but checkin works :) just missing friends feed, but for the early state quite handy | 15:34 |
| mikma | I'm kinda surprised that no-one has mentioned anywhere that Netflix app works in jolla | 15:35 |
| ballock | natively? | 15:37 |
| Kiranos_ | opensource guys that doesnt use windows often dont use netflix :) | 15:37 |
| mikma | i used netflix with my android + chromecast | 15:37 |
| mikma | too bad that the chromecast doesn't work with jolla, yet | 15:38 |
| anacron | so far all the android apps I've tried have worked | 15:38 |
| kelvan | anacron: with or without google stuff installed? | 15:38 |
| ballock | google calendar didnt :( | 15:38 |
| kelvan | I tried ingress, but it uses google stuff, of course | 15:38 |
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| anacron | with google stuff mostly | 15:39 |
| mikma | ballock: the android apk of netflix (from store, transfered into jolla) | 15:39 |
| anacron | I watched some series from netflix during a bus trip but I had problems with sound being very low | 15:39 |
| anacron | latest android update fixed a lot of sync and audio issues tough | 15:41 |
| kelvan | aaand facebook lost authentication again :/ is this intended? | 15:41 |
| ballock | kelvan: so it's not just google account loosing auth data but fb too? | 15:42 |
| ballock | (never used fb) | 15:42 |
| kelvan | ballock: I don't use google at the phone atm | 15:43 |
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| kelvan | afair my jolla account did this too once | 15:43 |
| kelvan | but it remembers the user/password and just wanted a accept | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | my facebook hasn't disconnected yet | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | but google account does that often | 15:43 |
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| kelvan | my duolingo app seems to be really quiet today, max volume and I can't understand anything | 15:45 |
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| tango_ | I think we need sailfish integration of this http://xmodulo.com/2014/01/integrate-android-kde-linux-desktop.html | 15:51 |
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| AL13N | tango_: go post on together :-) | 15:53 |
| AL13N | should be easier for sailfish rather than android anyway | 15:53 |
| kelvan | tango_: +1 | 15:54 |
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| kelvan | dbus over ssh ^^ | 15:55 |
| tango_ | excpet for the frigging clipboard | 15:56 |
| tango_ | how does the clipboard even work in wayland? | 15:56 |
| kelvan | tango_: no idea, ask #wayland :) | 15:59 |
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| Skorpy | umm... just got a notification for system update 1.0.2.5 even though I'm already at 1.0.2.5 | 16:11 |
| stephg | Skorpy that's a known thing | 16:11 |
| Skorpy | ah, ok | 16:11 |
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| AL13N | hmm, i saw this home-screen improvement thing and i got similar but better idea, i put it in this answer: https://together.jolla.com/question/9161/home-screen-improvement-idea/#post-id-11661 | 16:15 |
| AL13N | chem|st: you here? | 16:16 |
| * ggabriel curious as to how big the average hand is among jolla users | 16:16 | |
| AL13N | i got a short one with thick fingers (ie: average geeky hand) | 16:16 |
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| AL13N | ggabriel: you have a Jolla, right? do you think my idea was good? or is your hand big enough? | 16:18 |
| AL13N | maybe you use 2-handed action for that? | 16:18 |
| AL13N | lol, we sound like a RPG thing with 1-handed and 2-handed actions | 16:18 |
| tachikom1 | lol | 16:19 |
| FiSHBoY | dual-wield jollas | 16:19 |
| tachikom1 | pump action jolla | 16:19 |
| Skorpy | AL13N: I think with that solution people might accidentally trigger cover actions even if they didn't mean to | 16:20 |
| AL13N | can you guys use one-handed cover actions? | 16:20 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: you mean while moving down? | 16:20 |
| Skorpy | jea | 16:20 |
| Skorpy | yeah* | 16:20 |
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| AL13N | errr *up | 16:20 |
| AL13N | i donno, aren't those "flicks" | 16:20 |
| AL13N | you don't move up or down slowly, right? | 16:21 |
| AL13N | also you'd still have to move quite far left/right to initiate the cover action? | 16:21 |
| Skorpy | hmmm | 16:21 |
| chem|st | AL13N: yep | 16:22 |
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| Skorpy | well, the cover actions don't need that much movement to the sides | 16:22 |
| AL13N | chem|st: WDYT? good/bad? | 16:22 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: how much do they need? if you move left/right like 1/10th does it still count? | 16:22 |
| Skorpy | but yeah I kinda flick up and down always, so it might not be a problem | 16:22 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: i thought you had to move all the way until out of cover? | 16:22 |
| Skorpy | oh wait, it needs to be moved to the edge of the cover | 16:23 |
| AL13N | (according to user-guide) i don't have jolla yet | 16:23 |
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| Skorpy | well... it's still kinda little amount :P | 16:23 |
| Skorpy | but yeah, it could work. | 16:24 |
| AL13N | i should make a together poll topic... "do you use one-handed or two-handed actions?" lol | 16:24 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: gimme a vote then :-) | 16:24 |
| chem|st | AL13N: you got it wrong... | 16:24 |
| AL13N | oh noes | 16:24 |
| AL13N | chem|st: how do you mean? | 16:25 |
| chem|st | he is not about that an action is not done but he cannot reach the top left pane | 16:25 |
| Skorpy | AL13N: still testing. (flick up and down and playing with cover actions) | 16:25 |
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| chem|st | coveractions once started proceed even when moved up and down | 16:25 |
| AL13N | chem|st: by the way it's worded, it said something like: "especially left cover action", so i concluded that it could be reached | 16:26 |
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| chem|st | what you are suggesting is that the whole screen moves with your fingers which is a neat idea but gives me headache when thinking of looking at it twice | 16:26 |
| AL13N | chem|st: oic, it just doesn't move with the finger | 16:26 |
| AL13N | lol | 16:26 |
| chem|st | yes | 16:27 |
| AL13N | chem|st: ok, so with one finger(middle finger) you move screen down and the other (thumb) you do cover action? | 16:27 |
| AL13N | lol | 16:27 |
| chem|st | it does what you ask for but without the moving | 16:27 |
| AL13N | ok then | 16:27 |
| AL13N | so, it doesn't help | 16:27 |
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| chem|st | he cannot reach the top left cover so nope | 16:28 |
| chem|st | and he cannot initialize left cover-action when able to reach | 16:28 |
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| chem|st | the phone is just slightly to big | 16:29 |
| chem|st | even for me an my palm is close to epic | 16:29 |
| pawky | great, my order status is finally "in picking" :-) less great, customer care hasnt ' changed the accidentaly wrongly written ZIP code, as requested the same day I ordered... :-( | 16:29 |
| Skorpy | AL13N: when I flick (or just move) up and down, my finger's movement isn't straight up or down. it's rather a small arc, like flick up = starts from low right and moves a bit to the left when flicking up. so it might be a bit of a problem if the actions would trigger so easily. | 16:29 |
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| chem|st | th phone is just 2/3rd of my hand... | 16:29 |
| pawky | is there anybody from customer care in here that might help me out here??? (I know you might be hiding somewhere.... ;-) ) | 16:30 |
| chem|st | Skorpy: +1 | 16:30 |
| chem|st | that is why all left/right must be in a pretty narrow angle | 16:30 |
| Skorpy | yeah | 16:31 |
| chem|st | there needs to be some changes in the gesture interface fmpov | 16:31 |
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| chem|st | like if there is no up/down available do left right properly... | 16:32 |
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| Skorpy | what do you mean "do properly"? | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: i don't think we have anybody in customer care in here, and even if there was, this isn't really official, just a community place | 16:33 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: since chem|st said that cover actions already are completing if thumb moves up/down, can you try a flick starting from the cover action button, and see if it triggers? | 16:33 |
| Skorpy | AL13N: I think he meant that if it has already been started with a left or right swipe. then it triggers if you move up or down (which doesn't do anything) | 16:34 |
| Skorpy | and yes, they do trigger in that case | 16:34 |
| micko_ | I complained about battery consumption yesterday and the day before. seems like the faraday cage I was in really was the problem. after I left 30h ago my battery has gone down from 55% to 45% | 16:34 |
| Skorpy | am I making any sense?... :D | 16:35 |
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| ottulo | erm | 16:35 |
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| ottulo | if I start a swipe from the cover up or down the whole screen moves, so cover action is not activated | 16:35 |
| pawky | Stskeeps: well it is a last desperate move on my side... I mean what else am i to do? I have sent them an E-mail just as they tell you to on the site, and I did it nearly a month ago. If they send the phone it will end up in potrezebie, or there alike, do you have any better suggestions? | 16:35 |
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| ottulo | if I start sideways I can then move finger up or down, and the cover action is still available | 16:36 |
| Skorpy | ottulo: exactly what I was _trying_ to say. :D | 16:36 |
| ottulo | so I can start swiping to the side, but before reaching the edge move above/below the cover, and then move sideways as if still within the cover | 16:36 |
| ottulo | Skorpy: yeah, I just had to try it to get it :P | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | pawky: i don't have any visibility to our care or logistics, sorry | 16:37 |
| mikma | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404466&postcount=253 <- best post ever about mitäkuuluu | 16:38 |
| * AL13N wants nickname TAB completion: https://together.jolla.com/question/11673/nick-autocompletion-in-together/ | 16:38 | |
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| pawky | Stskeeps: This i do fully understand, but maybe someone somewhere at jolla could make them change it before it gets sent? What is the point if they will read my E-mail after they expedited the order? I onl know to ways to communicate with jolla, thats through care@jolla.com and in here... :-( | 16:39 |
| AL13N | pawky: some people seem to have contacted Fedex directly to change shipping when they get tracking number | 16:40 |
| AL13N | just an idea | 16:40 |
| pawky | ALI13N: I highly doubt that will work... or else its not such a difficult task to change someone elses address and get a phone for free... | 16:41 |
| AL13N | pawky: don't ask me, but i seem to remember someone having done just that | 16:41 |
| AL13N | pawky: i assume that tracking numbers are not that easy to make | 16:42 |
| AL13N | as i said, it's an idea... you can do whatever you like with it | 16:43 |
| AL13N | gtg RL calls | 16:43 |
| mikma | anyone else has the "bug" where the screen doesn't turn off if you are in the running application listing or in the app menu? | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: not sure about your idea tbh, not sure whether the jolla is too big or ok either, i need to see the next update, and i need to use it more | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | if i had the measuring tape with me, i'd tell you how big my hand is :) | 16:45 |
| AL13N | k | 16:45 |
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| ggabriel | if i extend thumb to pinky and i try to grab my jolla horizontally, i get an excess of 1/3 of a jolla | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | :) | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | erm, i didn't mean try to grab, i meant measure it against | 16:46 |
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| pawky | Stskeeps: maybe you could send an internal E-mail to those guys, and tell them to check there care@jolla.com mail for address change requests, or else this procedure told on the web site is of no use... :-) | 16:46 |
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| mikma | i wonder is foilchat coming/going to work into jolla | 16:48 |
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| CoderCandy | Where does one go to keep up to date with toh projects? | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: rss/email in your settings? | 17:05 |
| CoderCandy | yeah, but where does one find them in the first place? tjc? | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | oh, sorry | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | you said toh and i read tjc | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | doh' | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | there are some in tjc | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | and i saw at least 2 proper ones in tmo | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | but there's no centralised place | 17:07 |
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| CoderCandy | ah, that's too bad :( | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | on a sim connection related note, allow me to report that i jumped 40 times with my jolla on the front pocket of my jeans and experienced no disconnection. just so you know :) | 17:08 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: no problems with that here either | 17:08 |
| stephg | yeah | 17:08 |
| stephg | gah | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | i thougth i'd throw it out there as some folks are panicking, or at least were the other day | 17:09 |
| Waitee | if i press on a small area above the sim card on the other half it will disconnect | 17:09 |
| Waitee | but i have to press very hard and on a very specific area | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: i could reprodue that too, but in practice it doesn't happen | 17:09 |
| Waitee | my friend said his sim disconnects if he holds the phone "wrong" | 17:10 |
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| CoderCandy | I don't think I've had any sim dcs | 17:11 |
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| Waitee | i havent had any accidental | 17:12 |
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| petantik | my phone was heating up earlier, something to do with people sync. | 17:53 |
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| mikma | stskeeps: you've angered joerg_rw, bad boy. | 17:54 |
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| ggabriel | mikma: i want source! :) | 17:55 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404127&postcount=262 | 17:56 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: the conversation after that is interesting also | 17:56 |
| Venemo | wish me luck for tomorrow! I've got a physics exam | 17:56 |
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| ggabriel | mikma: thanks :D | 17:57 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: good luck | 17:57 |
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| Venemo | thanks ggabriel :) it means a lot to me! | 17:58 |
| * Morpog_ wonders when will this exams end for poor Venemo, so he can code on irc-chatter :D | 17:58 | |
| Morpog_ | good luck Venemo :D | 17:58 |
| ggabriel | mikma: lol | 17:58 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 17:58 |
| ggabriel | i'm gonna post something that i told a few hours ago to a colleague, relevant to some tmo people | 17:59 |
| ggabriel | "it is known that sometimes customers make ilogical requests, just set the expectation right and don't worry too much" | 17:59 |
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| Morpog_ | pissing off joerg_rw is pretty easy, seen it several times in this channel already | 17:59 |
| Venemo | mikma: so, one unlucky night Stskeeps forgets to check his /queries and boom! | 17:59 |
| mikma | ggabriel: lol, it's like, "stay quiet and let him burn" | 17:59 |
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| mikma | that's so brilliant, and sad at the same time | 18:00 |
| Venemo | Morpog_: I'll be done with exams by the end of the month, but I'll code on the IRC app tomorrow, just as a way of taking a break | 18:00 |
| Morpog_ | \o/ | 18:00 |
| mikma | taking a break from exams by coding | 18:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you know what i would say but i wouldn't say anything ... | 18:02 |
| Tofe | Has TheBootRoo disappeared ? | 18:02 |
| clau | any news on when we'll see the next update? | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: when have i -not- angered him? | 18:02 |
| Pnuu | rofl | 18:02 |
| Venemo | in any case I've seen a LOT of Jollans share information about the same question, so... | 18:03 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_: by the way; since we joined forces with jpnurmi it's no longer "IRC Chatter". It's more based on the Communi code and we're calling it simply "IRC" (or "IRC for Sailfish" for long) | 18:04 |
| Morpog_ | aslong as it's as good or even better as irc-chatter, all is well ;) | 18:04 |
| Pnuu | IRCfSFOS | 18:04 |
| Morpog_ | Sailchat :D | 18:05 |
| nadriel | Ass.. I'm supposed to roll to a course, but all I get is error 503. : ) | 18:05 |
| mikma | stskeeps: hah. change your jobdescription to anger management | 18:05 |
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| Morpog_ | IRC-Sailor | 18:06 |
| nadriel | SailIRC | 18:06 |
| Venemo | the icon will simply have a caption "IRC" like irc-chatter did | 18:06 |
| Tofe | Sailfirc | 18:06 |
| Venemo | and we're using Morpog_'s icon | 18:06 |
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| Morpog_ | yeah o/ | 18:06 |
| mikma | aaaand including this url because of the "chat"-chatting: http://www.foilchat.com/ | 18:07 |
| mikma | i'd like to see that as native | 18:07 |
| Venemo | Morpog_: well, jpnurmi and myself used to develop two separate apps for Harmattan... and both the apps were quite good | 18:07 |
| Venemo | so I expect this one to be even better than either of those ;) | 18:07 |
| Morpog_ | sounds great | 18:07 |
| Morpog_ | have only used irc-chatter on harmattan, as it was pretty good | 18:08 |
| Venemo | thanks | 18:08 |
| Morpog_ | beside of that autoscroll :D | 18:08 |
| Venemo | anyway, this time we decided that working together is better than trying to do that same thing on our own | 18:08 |
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| Morpog_ | joined forces is always good | 18:08 |
| mikma | tell that to nokia+microsoft | 18:09 |
| Morpog_ | seeing the 5 to 10 note apps in jolla store..... | 18:09 |
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| Venemo | I never understood the point of note apps when there's already a default one | 18:09 |
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| Morpog_ | Venemo, well yeah, maybe bluewhale has its right, as its using evernote as backend | 18:10 |
| clau | Venemo, that one did not really work until the latest update. | 18:10 |
| Milo- | I have four 00:00 length videos that are only visible in camera's "gallery"-view. Any suggestions on how to find them so I can delete them? | 18:11 |
| Venemo | clau: oh, then that's the reason | 18:11 |
| Milo- | Delete on the camera's gallery is unwilling to delete them. | 18:11 |
| clau | can anyone confirm this? --> https://together.jolla.com/question/11646/bug-call-timer-slows-down-considerably-when-screen-is-off/ | 18:12 |
| clau | I'm a tad surprised I couldn't find any report about it, so I'm thinking that maybe it's just my device. | 18:13 |
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| Venemo | clau: maybe nobody else noticed? it sounds pretty scary though | 18:13 |
| Venemo | clau: I upvoted | 18:13 |
| clau | thanks Venemo | 18:14 |
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| Venemo | anyway, see you all later :) | 18:16 |
| clau | o/ | 18:16 |
| PeperJohnny | Is there a way I can check on terminal if I get a sms? I do not get sms from a certain number :/ | 18:16 |
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| mikma | i find it interesting that my screen doesn't turn off in other than lock screen | 18:19 |
| mikma | i've set the time to 30 secs but it still stays on when the applications running are visible | 18:19 |
| ggabriel | mikma: what's your screen auto off delay? | 18:19 |
| Milo- | what is in the ~/.vault? | 18:19 |
| Morpog_ | yay new apps and updated app in store | 18:19 |
| ggabriel | mikma: 30 secs or 30 mins? :) | 18:19 |
| Milo- | backups are in the .vault? | 18:20 |
| mikma | ggabriel: 30 secs :D | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | mikma: interesting | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | mine is 10' fwiw | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | i got fed up with the screen dying on me | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | i'm happy to lock it manually or going to the lock screen | 18:20 |
| mikma | ggabriel: when i switch to lock screen it'll turn off after 5 secs | 18:20 |
| ggabriel | mikma: yup, that's normal | 18:20 |
| PeperJohnny | mikma: seems so | 18:21 |
| Plnt | clau: i just did test call. first 10 seconds with display on, after that 20 seconds with display off. after that i turned on the display again and the timer was correct. | 18:21 |
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| Plnt | clau: does the display needs to be turned off for a longer time to reproduce the bug? | 18:21 |
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| clau | Plnt, I think I know what's different: I have tohd.service stopped. | 18:21 |
| Plnt | s/needs/need/ | 18:21 |
| Plnt | ah | 18:21 |
| Plnt | i have that turned on | 18:21 |
| clau | no, it's enough to have it off for 5-10 seconds to get a visible delay. | 18:21 |
| clau | I think tohd works as a sort of heartbeat, waking the system up often enough to update all stuff. | 18:22 |
| clau | reason for which it also eats lots of battery. | 18:22 |
| mikma | i wonder is that the reason for the display not turning off too | 18:22 |
| Plnt | clau: if it's caused by the tohd service i would suggest to use the tinfoil hack instead :) | 18:22 |
| clau | it's probably not intended like this, but it's rather a side effect of waking up to check nfc? | 18:22 |
| clau | Plnt, LMAO | 18:22 |
| clau | in any case, if I'm right even the emailing syncing should behave better when tohd is on. | 18:23 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: yeah, turning it to 15secs didn't make any difference. still stays on in any other screen than lock | 18:24 |
| ggabriel | mikma: maybe reboot and try again | 18:24 |
| ggabriel | mind you, there is a fix that may or may not be related that's coming soon | 18:24 |
| mikma | ggabriel: doesn't help, tried that | 18:24 |
| ggabriel | ok, weird then | 18:25 |
| clau | Plnt, thanks for checking it, though | 18:25 |
| Plnt | clau: np :) | 18:25 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: i can't believe that tohd.service being stopped would be responsible for this | 18:26 |
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| ggabriel | mikma: mine is stopped | 18:27 |
| ggabriel | i can test | 18:27 |
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| mikma | oh lord | 18:28 |
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| ggabriel | mikma: mine used to work | 18:28 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i opened a few questions due to that kicking off in the camera application | 18:28 |
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| mikma | i just unmasked and started it, got error about store + the other half | 18:28 |
| mikma | then i masked and stopped it again, screen went off | 18:29 |
| ggabriel | mikma: cna't reproduce with 15", trying with 30 | 18:29 |
| mikma | or did i swipe it to lock... hmm | 18:29 |
| AL13N | well, tohd isn't supposed to be off, and when they get the tohd fixed (hopefully next update) then this will be a whole other ballpark | 18:29 |
| Skorpy | just wondering. I have run systemctl disable tohd.service, but it still runs after reboot. why is that? | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: ^ that | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | Skorpy: i think you have to mask it | 18:30 |
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| ggabriel | but haven't tried that myself | 18:30 |
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| AL13N | Skorpy: it may be started by another service | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | i stop every boot | 18:30 |
| mikma | "Problem with store, The other Half is not working" | 18:30 |
| mikma | heh | 18:30 |
| mikma | this is *AFTER* i unmask and start tohd.service | 18:30 |
| AL13N | Skorpy: systemd works like that, you can start a service, or it starts ondemand dpending on hardware for instance | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | mikma: ok, i can't reproduce your problem | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | mikma: i don't use android and i have a lock code | 18:31 |
| Skorpy | AL13N: ok | 18:31 |
| AL13N | mikma: perhaps after unmark, you need to reboot | 18:31 |
| mikma | aye | 18:31 |
| AL13N | *unmask | 18:31 |
| mikma | al13n: the screen flashes off and on and that message is popping up. i'll test the reboo | 18:31 |
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| AL13N | it probably is needed at boot time for something, perhaps checking TOH id or something | 18:31 |
| PeperJohnny | mikma: I have your problem too, as well some folks on tjc | 18:32 |
| mikma | peperjohnny: hmm. "good". | 18:32 |
| PeperJohnny | mikma: https://together.jolla.com/question/5330/connecting-white-other-half-give-error/ | 18:32 |
| mikma | ggabriel: after unmasking and starting tohd.service and rebooting, the screen turned off after 15sec | 18:34 |
| ggabriel | mikma: that's super weird | 18:34 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, mi tohd.service is just stopped | 18:34 |
| ggabriel | maybe if you mask it you stop something else from starting? | 18:34 |
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| mikma | sounds weird | 18:35 |
| mikma | why aren't you affected then | 18:35 |
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| mikma | ggabriel: you have it disabled, stopped, or masked+stopped? | 18:36 |
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| ggabriel | it'd be interesting to see which services didn't start | 18:36 |
| ggabriel | mikma: just stopped | 18:36 |
| ggabriel | sudo systemctl stop tohd.service | 18:36 |
| ggabriel | so i allow the system to boot normally and then stop that service | 18:36 |
| Pnuu | I have tohd stopped+masked, screen-off works as expected | 18:36 |
| mikma | i'll try that one now | 18:36 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: did you reboot after masking? | 18:36 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: yes, I've booted several times since | 18:37 |
| AL13N | so then it's something else | 18:37 |
| ggabriel | ok, then the theory of unstarted services falls apart :) | 18:37 |
| mikma | pnuu: you scroll to any other menu than the lockscreen and the screen goes off? | 18:37 |
| Pnuu | I've set the screen timeout to 2 mins | 18:37 |
| Pnuu | mikma: yes, but I'll confirm that | 18:37 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: is it actually 2 minutes? or longer/shorter | 18:37 |
| clau | having tohd stopped seems to create weird issues, lilke this one that I reported earleir: https://together.jolla.com/question/11646/bug-call-timer-slows-down-considerably-when-screen-is-off/ | 18:37 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: I'll check that too | 18:38 |
| clau | so, if you see weird stuff, just re-check with tohd on. | 18:38 |
| ggabriel | clau: if that's actually the case, i'm happy to have that time reported wrongly until the proper fix comes in ;) | 18:38 |
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| clau | :) | 18:38 |
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| AL13N | ggabriel: ++ | 18:38 |
| AL13N | it's not that battery is bad anyway | 18:39 |
| AL13N | just some people are obsessed really | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | i tihnk battery life is amazing | 18:39 |
| AL13N | ok, i can agree that the tohd does use a bit too much, but still | 18:39 |
| mikma | i was used to charge my samsung galaxy s3 mini every night | 18:39 |
| clau | I had it off, but I've set the suspend policy to early (via mcetool), just to get emails on schedule. | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | it'll easily double my n9, which beats all of my friends's phones | 18:39 |
| mikma | and having jolla charged every second night is a bonus | 18:39 |
| ggabriel | so i'll go and show them how it's done | 18:39 |
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| clau | in fact, that seemed to me to be the only way of getting new emails checked at preset interval. | 18:40 |
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| ggabriel | clau: that's interesting | 18:40 |
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| ggabriel | maybe the phone goes to deep sleep without the tohd.service | 18:40 |
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| clau | tohd is defintiely waking up the system very often, and without it the system just goes to deep sleep. | 18:40 |
| clau | yeah, I think that's the case. | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | mikma: at 2 minutes the screen started to dim and then turned off | 18:41 |
| Pnuu | I was in home screen | 18:41 |
| mikma | pnuu: yeah. after unmasking+starting and rebooting the phone the screen dim+turnoff started to work as intended | 18:41 |
| mikma | pnuu: can't think of why tohd.service blocked it earlier | 18:41 |
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| Pnuu | could be something unrelated, too | 18:42 |
| clau | ggabriel, the thing is, even with tohd on email checking still sucked. My guess is that sometimes there isn't enough time for the email client to finish checking for new emails before it goes back to sleep. But I can't confirm from server side, since I use gmail. | 18:42 |
| mikma | Warning: Unit file changed on disk, 'systemctl --system daemon-reload' recommended. | 18:43 |
| ggabriel | clau: my email checking is erratic, and it's known anyway | 18:43 |
| clau | ggabriel, have a look at this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92183 | 18:43 |
| ggabriel | clau: i use my own server as well as hotmail and gmail, and it happens in all of them | 18:43 |
| AL13N | for all i know unmasking the phone and starting disables some functionality, since it's not supposed to be unmasked | 18:43 |
| AL13N | perhaps dependant systemd stuff is doing odd stuff | 18:44 |
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| AL13N | btw: can anyone do a systemd-analyze plot > file.svg for a boot of unmasked tohd and masked tohd? | 18:44 |
| clau | ggabriel, it's about sshd, but I would say the email checking has the same root cause. | 18:44 |
| late88 | Hello. I tried asking this earlier on TMO but received no answers. My phone speaker stopped working completely in my Jolla, but sounds work in general (earplugs etc). Is there anything I can try? | 18:44 |
| mikma | al13n: aye, just a moment | 18:44 |
| ggabriel | clau: yup, mildly familiar | 18:45 |
| ggabriel | late88: did you try rebooting? | 18:45 |
| clau | ggabriel, if you *need* the email to work, you can use mcetool --set-suspend-policy=early | 18:45 |
| late88 | many times already | 18:45 |
| AL13N | "have you tried turning it off and on again" ? | 18:45 |
| AL13N | lol | 18:45 |
| ggabriel | late88: in that case, it really sounds like your device is somewhat faulty | 18:45 |
| mikma | al13n: except, systemd-analyze: command not found :D | 18:45 |
| mikma | lol | 18:45 |
| AL13N | mikma: hmm | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | clau: thanks, i'm only playing with the device atm, so i'll let it flow | 18:46 |
| late88 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404588&postcount=74 | 18:46 |
| AL13N | anything else systemd related with analyze? | 18:46 |
| clau | ggabriel, battery consumption will increase, but it's comparable to my n9 so far. I still get a full day of decent usage out of it. | 18:46 |
| AL13N | or maybe that file is in mer-tools? | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | late88: also, if you can, i'd reset to factory condition | 18:46 |
| mikma | al13n: there's 13 different systemd-* files but nothing related to analyze | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | clau: my n9 is 1.5-2 days :D | 18:46 |
| ggabriel | my jolla is almost getting to 4 days | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | but i haven't left home | 18:47 |
| mikma | ggabriel: uh, how? sim card in? | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | it'll decrease to about 3 days if i go out | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | yeah, sim card in | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | occasional switching to mobile data | 18:47 |
| clau | with tohd on? | 18:47 |
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| ggabriel | but coming back to wlan quite ofen | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | tohd off | 18:47 |
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| clau | ok, that sounds reasonable. | 18:47 |
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| late88 | Oh my god, had to do it couple of times already... I'm not sure if I have the urge to do that. | 18:47 |
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| ggabriel | late88: the factory reset? | 18:48 |
| late88 | yes. | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | late88: another thing you can do is asking in together.jolla.com and see if anybody else had this issue | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | if nobody else did, i suggest that you email care@jolla.com | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | i saw a couple of faulty device candidate problems out there | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | which isn't unreasonable to think of tbh | 18:48 |
| mikma | late88: oh, the "double messages in mitäkuuluu" case | 18:49 |
| late88 | Did you read the post on TMO yet? Is there anything suspicious? | 18:49 |
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| ggabriel | late88: i read it, and i insist in the course of action | 18:49 |
| ggabriel | mind you, i have no problem with resetting my device, so i'd do it; it may not be your case | 18:49 |
| late88 | time consuming... | 18:49 |
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| ggabriel | well, i bought a device with a beta os, so i expect to consume time with it :) | 18:50 |
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| late88 | yeah me too, but I tired of resetting everything.. this is about 5th time. | 18:51 |
| late88 | i'm* | 18:51 |
| ggabriel | late88: i suggest tjc first, and care@j.c afterwards if nobody answers | 18:51 |
| late88 | I'm pretty sure it's just some software problem. | 18:52 |
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| ggabriel | late88: i'm hoping that too :) | 18:52 |
| late88 | I'm not that familiar with all terminal commands, although I'm good with following instructions. | 18:52 |
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| late88 | funny thing is, first time when I lost the speaker, reboot third reboot helped. Now it's not helping anymore. | 18:53 |
| mikma | http://www.razerzone.com/nabu | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | late88: there's a tool on the device you may be able to use to do some tests | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:54 |
| late88 | Ok, thanks... i'm willing to try anything before device reset | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | *#*#310#*#* | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | dial that | 18:54 |
| late88 | trying... | 18:54 |
| late88 | done. | 18:55 |
| mikma | you have reached the jolla devtool. please hold. | 18:55 |
| mikma | all our lines are busy at the moment, waiting time is.... 15 minutes | 18:56 |
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| late88 | I suppose it's the Audio below mic ? | 18:56 |
| mikma | more likely "audio playback to loudspeaker" | 18:57 |
| late88 | yes, just noticed. | 18:58 |
| ottulonen | is there a way to disable dialing sounds? | 18:58 |
| ottulonen | I remember they weren't playing at some point, but now I can't get rid of them | 18:58 |
| late88 | PASS[ ] / FAIL[X] | 18:58 |
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| amixpb | hello | 18:59 |
| amixpb | someone alive in here? | 18:59 |
| Pnuu | maybe | 19:00 |
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| attah | it depends ;) | 19:00 |
| late88 | Stskeeps: test failed. | 19:00 |
| ggabriel | i've just passed out | 19:00 |
| amixpb | I have ordered my phone, but i dont see it in the jolla site | 19:00 |
| amixpb | ive sent mail to jolla too | 19:00 |
| amixpb | but no mail back | 19:01 |
| amixpb | ;P | 19:01 |
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| amixpb | is there a telephone number to reach? | 19:01 |
| Pnuu | amixpb: holidays are just over, there's bound to be some backlog | 19:01 |
| amixpb | i ordered mine on 2nd of January | 19:02 |
| amixpb | Pnuu: is it still christmas hollidays in finland? | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | yesterday was day off | 19:02 |
| attah | today was probably the first day for a lot of people | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | yup | 19:02 |
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| amixpb | ohh | 19:04 |
| amixpb | in norway we start to work on 2nd of January ;P | 19:04 |
| mikma | so did we, but 6th was a day off | 19:05 |
| amixpb | ohh | 19:05 |
| amixpb | why is 6th a day off? | 19:05 |
| attah | (sweden here) i of course assume that you take out a few vacation days.. | 19:05 |
| attah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28holiday%29 | 19:06 |
| Pnuu | it's quite normal that people extend their holidays until over epiphany | 19:06 |
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| AL13N | wth is epiphany | 19:06 |
| AL13N | sounds like something religious | 19:06 |
| Pnuu | another christian holiday.. | 19:06 |
| amixpb | ohh | 19:07 |
| amixpb | in norway its not an official holiday | 19:07 |
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| attah | too bad ;) | 19:07 |
| amixpb | learning something new | 19:07 |
| mikma | eventho there are decreasing amount of christians in finland, we still like the holidays christians have :D | 19:07 |
| mikma | al13n: it is | 19:07 |
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| mikma | al13n: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28holiday%29 - 100% christian holiday | 19:08 |
| AL13N | ugh, christian dogs | 19:08 |
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| amixpb | interesting | 19:09 |
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| ottulonen | mikma: how many "christian holidays" are actually originally christian? ;) | 19:10 |
| amixpb | Norway got only 17th of May as an extra holiday. Rest is Christian type of holidays, but 6th isnt counted into it. Krmt! | 19:10 |
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| mikma | al13n: 21:07 <mikma> eventho there are decreasing amount of christians in finland, we still like the holidays christians have :D | 19:10 |
| * AL13N was baptized catholic :-S | 19:10 | |
| Pnuu | ottulonen: not many :-D | 19:10 |
| AL13N | mikma: well christian holidays are really just something that existed before and they needed to have all holidays christian holidays | 19:11 |
| Pnuu | even the mid-summer fest (juhannus) was claimed by the church as the birthday of john the babtist :-D | 19:11 |
| AL13N | btw: i want nickname tab completion for comments: https://together.jolla.com/question/11673/nick-autocompletion-in-together/ | 19:11 |
| amixpb | Pnuu: Does Jolla got telephone support at all? | 19:11 |
| Pnuu | amixpb: no idea | 19:11 |
| amixpb | I dont find anything on their site about that | 19:11 |
| mikma | ottulonen: don't know, can't tell :D | 19:11 |
| late88 | Is there a command to turn on/off the loudspeaker in jolla or is there anything in command line i could try? | 19:12 |
| AL13N | amixpb: well, i assume people can call with it? | 19:12 |
| amixpb | :)) | 19:12 |
| amixpb | i mean customer service over the phone? | 19:12 |
| AL13N | late88: something pulseaudio maybe? | 19:12 |
| mikma | eroakirkosta.fi statistics porn: http://www.eroakirkosta.fi/static/ek-tilastot/kkpalkit.png | 19:12 |
| AL13N | late88: pacmd might help you out, though you'll have to read up on some stuff | 19:12 |
| mikma | resignations from church years/months | 19:12 |
| late88 | main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. | 19:13 |
| late88 | pid.c: daemon already running, | 19:14 |
| AL13N | late88: ah, are you root or user? | 19:14 |
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| late88 | was root. | 19:14 |
| amixpb | I am very interested to see if Jolla phone works with MorphOS though | 19:14 |
| amixpb | :) | 19:14 |
| AL13N | late88: you ran pulseaudio? or "pacmd" ? | 19:14 |
| late88 | pulseaudio. | 19:15 |
| AL13N | late88: check first with ps auxf to see under what user pulseaudio deamon is running? | 19:15 |
| AL13N | pulseaudio starts a server | 19:15 |
| AL13N | pacmd gives you stuff to see what's going on | 19:15 |
| AL13N | anyway, if it's a system pulseaudio, then you need to be root, if it's nemo, you need to be nemo, etc... | 19:16 |
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| AL13N | Zotan: did you hack a samba server? | 19:17 |
| AL13N | to go on IRC? | 19:17 |
| amixpb | No one knows if Jolla Ltd got phone support? | 19:18 |
| late88 | AL13N, the list is very long, isn't there a search? | 19:18 |
| AL13N | late88: maybe | less or |more helps you out, or |grep or something | 19:18 |
| * AL13N doesn't have a phone, but pacmd controls everything pulseaudio and thus can tell if volumes are muted or disconnected, or should even have volume levels and such, i just mostly used the GUI tools | 19:19 | |
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| late88 | AL13N, i'm sorry, can't find anything about pulseaudio on the list | 19:21 |
| Zotan | AL13N: ? | 19:22 |
| AL13N | Zotan [~smb@2001:8b0:cacf:efd9:224:beff:fed7:236b] entered the room | 19:22 |
| AL13N | smb is the local username (normally) | 19:22 |
| AL13N | if someone hacks a smb server and uses it to go on IRC, they will typically be listed as such | 19:23 |
| Zotan | AL13N: That is my local username :-) | 19:23 |
| AL13N | Zotan: you should make sure it doesn't clash with samba username (if you have samba, that is) | 19:23 |
| clau | hmm, currently any installed app can read my emails from ~/.qmf? :\ | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | late88: if you after a reboot have that test failed, you should take it to care@jolla.com | 19:24 |
| Zotan | I use it on most of my boxes and never had a problem, I'll bear it in mind for future machines though. | 19:24 |
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| AL13N | Zotan: that's fine, just keep in mind that if there's a samba service running under your user, people might have access to your personal files | 19:25 |
| late88 | Stskeeps, ok. Will try. | 19:25 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: odd one: Zotan [~smb@2001:8b0:cacf:efd9:224:beff:fed7:236b | 19:26 |
| AL13N | argh | 19:26 |
| late88 | Any clue what is the cause? | 19:26 |
| AL13N | sorry | 19:26 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/11715/sms-from-bank-not-arriving/ <-- this seems odd | 19:26 |
| nibbler | is the sender number a number or text? | 19:27 |
| PeperJohnny | nibbler: text with number | 19:27 |
| AL13N | lol, you're here | 19:27 |
| PeperJohnny | AL13N: yeah =) | 19:27 |
| nibbler | some banks use stuff like their name as sender id instead of a MSISDN | 19:28 |
| AL13N | btw: is the number special, like *# in it? | 19:28 |
| late88 | Stskeeps, test failed again. I'm sick and tired of this... | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | late88: okay, then it smells like a HW problem. | 19:28 |
| PeperJohnny | let me check | 19:28 |
| nibbler | which might cause the message to get discarded (just speculating, i don't know anything about the actual code invoved and if there is a reason why just messages with numbers as sender id may show up) | 19:29 |
| nibbler | but that's the first thing that comes to my mind when i look at the issue. | 19:29 |
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| mfulz | I've read about tohd and power consumption | 19:29 |
| late88 | Stskeeps, out of nowhere? In middle of IMTONE, the sound just stopped halfway. | 19:29 |
| mfulz | what is the service actually doing? | 19:29 |
| mfulz | and what drawbacks will I have when disabling? | 19:29 |
| AL13N | it manages TOH (iow: The Other Half) | 19:30 |
| AL13N | mfulz: it's not recommend to mask it | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | late88: if you boot up, nothing else has booted up, volume is full and sounds are enabled, and you fail the speaker test in the test tool, it's smelling quite badly like a HW issue | 19:30 |
| AL13N | mfulz: some people have noted strange effects | 19:30 |
| mfulz | ah ok | 19:30 |
| AL13N | mfulz: but no conclusive evidence if it's really related | 19:30 |
| late88 | Stskeeps, I'm afraid so. So dissapointed right now. Gladly I still have my N9. | 19:31 |
| AL13N | mfulz: but, devs know of the tohd.service problem and will be fixing it | 19:31 |
| mfulz | ok thanks | 19:31 |
| AL13N | i've seen people who were content with battery life and prefer not to fiddle with it | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | late88: sadly there'll always be problems of this caliber, i hope they'll confirm the same thing in service | 19:31 |
| late88 | But thanks to all anyway for the help, I'm off. | 19:32 |
| late88 | Last question, the Jolla care is accessible in DNA store? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | did you buy it from DNA store? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | or from website | 19:33 |
| late88 | #48. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | are you in helsinki? | 19:33 |
| late88 | yes. | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | contact optima service perhaps | 19:33 |
| late88 | i was 48/450. | 19:33 |
| late88 | ok, thanks. | 19:33 |
| mfulz | anyone knows when the exclusive half is send out? | 19:33 |
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| mikma | mfulz: um, afaik people who were eligible already got it? | 19:34 |
| AL13N | no, there was a series where people got a note saying that the LE TOH would be sent at a later date | 19:35 |
| attah | mikma, mfulz: I think they ran out of them.. so some did, and some have yet to receive theirs | 19:35 |
| AL13N | in the later stages of the preorder | 19:35 |
| mfulz | attah: ah ok thanks | 19:35 |
| mikma | le toh :D | 19:35 |
| PeperJohnny | Sorry my n900 won't start, and i cannot find the number :/ | 19:36 |
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| attah | TOH with 'scope and logic analyzer.. win or fail? | 19:39 |
| jake9xx | win of course | 19:39 |
| mikma | fail, needs more K.I.T.T. scanner | 19:39 |
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| Pnuu | mikma: enhanced LED notifications! | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | black KITT TOH woud rock :-D | 19:40 |
| mikma | mm mm mmmmm, pulsing red | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | would* | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | heh, ToH Larson Scanner is like "My very first homemade TOH" type thing :) | 19:41 |
| mikma | KITT TOH! change of ambience + sounds + led behaviour, also, smooth black surface | 19:41 |
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| mikma | unlock the phone? Hello Michael. | 19:41 |
| mikma | swipe between screens? scanner sound | 19:41 |
| AL13N | pics or it didn't happen | 19:41 |
| amixpb | No one knows if Jolla Ltd got phone support? | 19:43 |
| mikma | i'm afraid it didn't happen :/ | 19:43 |
| amixpb | :) | 19:43 |
| mikma | 0800-jolla | 19:43 |
| mfulz | I want a fix for the connman *grrr* | 19:43 |
| amixpb | ?? | 19:43 |
| attah | amixpb: i'll go with "no" | 19:43 |
| mfulz | 0800-jolla LOL | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: did every box in the first 450 have a hand-written thanks note? | 19:44 |
| anonfriese_ | humm, my very first homemade toh? does sticking wireless-charging receiver into the standard-toh count? | 19:44 |
| Pnuu | I'm thinking of solarTOH | 19:44 |
| anonfriese_ | tricorder-toh would rock ;) | 19:45 |
| AL13N | ShadowJK: lemme rephrase: "pics or it didn't happen" | 19:45 |
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| ljp | mfulz: what do you mean 'fix for the connman'? | 19:45 |
| mfulz | I opened a report at together | 19:45 |
| mfulz | sec | 19:45 |
| mikma | stardate 21563.12, today we encountered a new species. | 19:45 |
| mfulz | https://together.jolla.com/question/11324/bug-connman-openvpn/ | 19:46 |
| AL13N | amixpb: perhaps you could order functionality, they can give you a quote | 19:46 |
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| msknight | Stskeeps, you around? | 19:47 |
| Quu | woop 400 | 19:47 |
| msknight | Stskeeps, you around? | 19:48 |
| mikma | gonna keep on asking that every minute? | 19:49 |
| msknight | I might do. | 19:49 |
| mikma | go ahead | 19:49 |
| msknight | I only asked twice, and you weighed in. | 19:49 |
| Pnuu | ym. "I might do-while loop" | 19:49 |
| msknight | Well, how about an I-might-not-do loop. | 19:49 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: how much sleep? | 19:49 |
| mikma | sure, that needed to be asked twice. in a minute | 19:49 |
| msknight | Well, you can relax. | 19:50 |
| mikma | ah the warm feeling | 19:50 |
| mikma | whoops, brb | 19:50 |
| msknight | Once I've passed my last post to Stskeeps that's the last you'll see of me on here | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: I prefer > 10 h/night ;-D | 19:50 |
| AL13N | lol @ mikma | 19:50 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: hahaha | 19:50 |
| msknight | screw it - someone pass this to Stskeeps - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=223 - I'm gone. | 19:51 |
| AL13N | msknight: i sense you're angry... (if that is at all possible in IRC) | 19:51 |
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| mikma | ragequit | 19:51 |
| AL13N | yes | 19:51 |
| FiSHNuTZ | indeed | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | .. was putting my kid to sleep | 19:52 |
| mikma | stskeeps: this dude called msknight asked us to pass you the info that he likes bananas | 19:53 |
| amixpb | I have ordered my phone | 19:53 |
| amixpb | but its not listed in My Orders | 19:53 |
| faenil | mikma, it's a she btw (afaik) | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | seems so | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | in a way | 19:55 |
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| mikma | faenil: even better, she likes the bananas :D | 19:55 |
| AL13N | well, her points are a bit valid though | 19:55 |
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| mfulz | lol | 19:55 |
| AL13N | afaict it's a collection of bugs that are acknowledged | 19:56 |
| AL13N | it might make her life harder than it was, that's probably true | 19:56 |
| mikma | well she can always install ubuntu in when it's ready | 19:58 |
| Pnuu | hmm, she says that people title the posts in tjc badly, which true, but she also got pissed off when clarifying the titles :-P | 19:58 |
| HtheB_afk | is it me or is the proximity sensor crap? | 19:59 |
| HtheB_afk | in low light, it works very bad... | 19:59 |
| mikma | anyone seen the viru valge -humor picture? | 19:59 |
| mikma | "noobs can't handle the power" | 19:59 |
| mikma | reminds me of the picture, that post | 19:59 |
| pdanek | Is here any fan of Mailpile? | 20:00 |
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| ljp | HtheB_afk: I havent noticed anything like that | 20:01 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: she also said that people don't search properly, (though in their defence the search isn't that well) | 20:01 |
| HtheB_afk | Seriously, in my house, I have led light | 20:01 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: also, she could've just comment if she thought it wasn't duplicate, i did once and it got reverted too | 20:02 |
| HtheB_afk | and somehow, it doesnt the screen doesnt go back on again once i've put the phone to my ear | 20:02 |
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| AL13N | Pnuu: IMHO, communication is both ways, and she's too polite which means she's bottling up her communication, which now explodes | 20:02 |
| Pnuu | yup | 20:03 |
| Pnuu | and that's happened atleast twice.. | 20:03 |
| AL13N | ic | 20:03 |
| AL13N | maybe after using her S2 for a while will she miss Jolla | 20:03 |
| AL13N | and by then perhaps some of the bugs are fixed | 20:03 |
| AL13N | though i expect a lot of bugs to be fixed by march (in probably various updates) | 20:04 |
| AL13N | we'll see | 20:04 |
| AL13N | i wonder if my phone will get the stock 1.0.0.5 or the 1.0.2.5 | 20:05 |
| AL13N | due to arrive in a few weeks | 20:05 |
| ottulonen | I'd expect it to be the latest available at the time of shipping | 20:05 |
| mfulz | hm there are definitly some valid points but honestly: It was clear from the beginning that the phone is not mature in that way and that jolla (as company) will have a ressource issue as well | 20:05 |
| AL13N | ottulonen: i don't agree | 20:06 |
| AL13N | mfulz: otoh, sailfishos is BETA | 20:07 |
| AL13N | it says so clearly everwhere | 20:07 |
| mfulz | yep | 20:07 |
| mfulz | that's what I mean | 20:07 |
| ottulonen | there's this issue about what people think is best for them and what actually is best for them | 20:07 |
| AL13N | ottulonen: it might make sense both ways, the first stock is probably the best QA, so it might make sense to ship that | 20:07 |
| AL13N | ottulonen: good point | 20:07 |
| ottulonen | like, Jolla people can put in several people to keep the community at bay answering each question with non-answers | 20:07 |
| mfulz | and from my point it's working very good and did fulfill all my expectations | 20:08 |
| ottulonen | or, optionally, have those people working on fixing the issues :) | 20:08 |
| AL13N | ottulonen: that's the problem with open source like this... users don't often know what is best for them, they ask weird things which they think is better, but if they got it, they would want to go back | 20:08 |
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| ottulonen | best thing about oss: you can always tell them to modify it to their liking, since it's open :P | 20:08 |
| mikma | al13n: i've seen this couple of times: "I love my N9 because of the stats displayed on the screen when it's off, also the clock is a must." | 20:09 |
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| AL13N | true, but atm, we 're half open, which means some things users (who never will do any work) do request stuff | 20:09 |
| ottulonen | of course | 20:09 |
| AL13N | mikma: i'm sure in due time someone makes an app for that somehow | 20:09 |
| AL13N | mikma: the problem is that the people complaining are none of the devs | 20:10 |
| mikma | al13n: most likely, if they don't care about the battery | 20:10 |
| mikma | al13n: that's because the dev's might know better, lol | 20:10 |
| AL13N | it is possible | 20:11 |
| AL13N | or maybe internally they have tried it, and reverted it | 20:11 |
| AL13N | in any case, i'm not too worried, we'll get there eventually | 20:11 |
| AL13N | it's just that in this kind of society people are really impatient | 20:11 |
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| mikma | al13n: well, they might also know that the current display is not suitable for that :P it ain't amoled which is pretty much a must | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | yup, was going to say the same :-) | 20:12 |
| AL13N | well, everything has it's advantages and disadvantages | 20:12 |
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| AL13N | and for some people prefer the one over the other | 20:12 |
| AL13N | noone will be "content" | 20:12 |
| mikma | exactly | 20:12 |
| mikma | they are so used to it that they can't live without it | 20:12 |
| mikma | but in my case, i use my phone to a) talk to other people, b) ssh + irssi, c) take pictures / videos of my work | 20:13 |
| mikma | that's all i need. i propably sent like 1 mms last year with my samsung galaxy s3 mini | 20:13 |
| AL13N | well, i have a "real" phone (that's broken) | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | ssh+irss/mutt, web, sms, talk, and when the update comes occasional mms | 20:14 |
| AL13N | and i'm looking for a portable device in the offchance that i need to do some maintance on my server | 20:14 |
| mikma | oh, and after wife forced me to install whatsapp i pretty much stopped using mms | 20:14 |
| AL13N | anyway, this has great potential, open environment, collaboration, this can be great | 20:15 |
| mikma | and it's not samsung | 20:15 |
| amixpb | Is there any yellow pages in Finland? | 20:15 |
| amixpb | where i can search companies | 20:15 |
| amixpb | for free? | 20:15 |
| mikma | amixpb: try http://www.fonecta.fi/ | 20:15 |
| AL13N | amixpb: lol, you're really gonna go bothering them | 20:16 |
| mikma | it's former "keltaiset sivut" = yellow pages | 20:16 |
| amixpb | AL13N: i am norwegian | 20:16 |
| amixpb | we live for bothering | 20:16 |
| amixpb | :) | 20:16 |
| amixpb | if things get a bit slow | 20:16 |
| amixpb | hehe | 20:16 |
| mikma | amixpb: thanks for the cheap airline | 20:16 |
| pp_ | finder.fi too | 20:16 |
| AL13N | well, that was easy to find | 20:17 |
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| AL13N | though i suspect noone is at the office, unless something like RIOT-ON! is going on :-) | 20:18 |
| pp_ | financials too! | 20:18 |
| amixpb | mikma: Norwegian airline? | 20:18 |
| AL13N | pp_: :-) | 20:18 |
| mikma | haha | 20:18 |
| mikma | that's so epic | 20:18 |
| pp_ | (great for spying around, shame you have to wait for the annual reports to be public) | 20:18 |
| mikma | amixpb: yeap. norwegian.com | 20:18 |
| amixpb | hehe | 20:18 |
| amixpb | they have lots of angry people now | 20:18 |
| mikma | i heard | 20:19 |
| AL13N | lol, there's a "Captain Shop" in helsinki | 20:19 |
| amixpb | as their long distance flights have lots of problems | 20:19 |
| amixpb | so norwegians complain | 20:19 |
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| amixpb | if i dont get my product or i get any info about my product | 20:19 |
| amixpb | i rather call | 20:19 |
| mikma | amixpb: they should be thankful because of the free wifi at airplanes | 20:19 |
| Pnuu | I'm flying with norwegian on thursday.. | 20:19 |
| AL13N | amixpb: i assume you emailed care@ ? | 20:20 |
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| AL13N | alright | 20:20 |
| AL13N | time to go to sleep | 20:20 |
| amixpb | yes | 20:21 |
| amixpb | i have | 20:21 |
| amixpb | and its taken them over 5 days | 20:21 |
| amixpb | no replies | 20:21 |
| mikma | amixpb: wanna guess are they a tad busy? ;) | 20:21 |
| amixpb | sure | 20:22 |
| amixpb | but Amiga companies are busy too | 20:22 |
| amixpb | but its easy to get in touch with them | 20:22 |
| amixpb | :) | 20:22 |
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| mikma | try getting in touch with EA about their products | 20:22 |
| amixpb | hehe | 20:22 |
| mikma | lastly it took me a month to get refunded from my BF4 preorder | 20:22 |
| mikma | "it's taken care of, wait 2 weeks" | 20:23 |
| AL13N | well, there's a big difference in huge companies with alot of people "busy" with whatever job they are trying to protect and a smaller company where everyone spends their free time on the product as well | 20:23 |
| amixpb | do all of you have jolla phone now? | 20:23 |
| AL13N | nope | 20:23 |
| AL13N | a few weeks for me | 20:23 |
| amixpb | ordered? | 20:23 |
| mikma | the last one that chatted with me realized i had two orders and the first one was cancelled and second one wasn't | 20:23 |
| artemma | Worried about Flashlight gathering or not gathering private stats - I typed long(ish) reply at maemo forums, go check it out - http://bit.ly/flashlight-stats Shortly: yep, app stats were collected, not anymore, think about what 100 of the other apps you installed *can* collect without any permission system whatsoever in Jolla | 20:23 |
| AL13N | amixpb: they said 3 a 4 weeks, so i'm only gonna start looking at mid-Januari | 20:24 |
| fk_lx | artemma: hehe | 20:24 |
| mikma | artemma: you need to calm down :D | 20:24 |
| amixpb | AL13N: yes. lets see | 20:25 |
| artemma | believe me, guys, I am calm enough :) | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | artemma: thanks, i'll take a look | 20:25 |
| fk_lx | I think the other side shouldn't be calmed up | 20:25 |
| mikma | artemma: if you've had NSA phone before, this is old stuff | 20:25 |
| fk_lx | oh, it looks like other side spotted the post | 20:25 |
| fk_lx | :-0 | 20:25 |
| artemma | that is more of a marketing opportunity and a good cause to request the Apple security model via the crowd amplifier :) | 20:25 |
| AL13N | artemma: this is why proper isolation is something that needs to be on the roadmap | 20:26 |
| * artemma was crying for apple-like permissions before the public device launch, still nothing there | 20:26 | |
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| artemma | to be honest, I am not sure apple-like limitation is even easily possible to add to Sailfish | 20:26 |
| mikma | artemma: good thing you didn't typo the flashlighter as fleshlighter | 20:26 |
| artemma | you know, its basis: Mer and Nemo were not rally built with public app stores in mind, IMHO | 20:27 |
| artemma | mikma: I was trying to type correctly, yes :) | 20:27 |
| AL13N | artemma: i donno, dbus calls could be secured, which would probably close alot of holes | 20:27 |
| mikma | because being the top fleshlighter of finland is not a nice title to own | 20:27 |
| AL13N | maybe some kind of stuff needs to be contributed to nemo itself... | 20:28 |
| mikma | al13n: go to bed | 20:28 |
| AL13N | yeah, that's better | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | mikma: keep it down a bit will you? | 20:28 |
| artemma | I doubt it fits into Mer/Nemo philosophy easily, but that's only my speculation, no real knowledge | 20:28 |
| mikma | stskeeps: don't make me write a hate post for you | 20:29 |
| AL13N | artemma: i believe it should be possible, just run apps cgrouped, isolate by dbus calls and possibly run different user, then have policykit (systemd) do the securing | 20:29 |
| mfulz | :) | 20:29 |
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| AL13N | O_o | 20:29 |
| artemma | You know for me Flashlight is a primary marketing vehicle (to feel cool for being famous and first), so I am motivated to opposite sides simultaneously: I want usage numbers and I want app to be/feel fast and clean :) | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, this guy was going to be more trouble as we went along | 20:30 |
| artemma | I guess it means I should work more on making Mixpanel usage seamless and easy | 20:30 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: just to be sure, when he said "mikma: al13n: go to bed" it's because i had earlier announced i was going to bed... | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: yes, yes, wasn't the trigger | 20:30 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: that's probably not going to be the reason | 20:30 |
| artemma | BTW, do you know if it's possible to detect if network connection is up? | 20:30 |
| artemma | stats package shouldn't put connection up just for itself, it can wait until connection is up anyway | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | also, msknight's worries were reasonable, not sure why she wanted to get in touch with me specificially - i'm not always around but feel free to leave messages | 20:31 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: yes, that's how i felt it too | 20:31 |
| artemma | real trolls here? Wow, jolla becomes popular! %) | 20:32 |
| AL13N | artemma: i don't have anything against stats as such, but maybe it should be up to the user... | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | we have real old trolltech people too | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| artemma | AL13N: I agree, informing is useful, I messed up with it | 20:32 |
| AL13N | artemma: let's just say that if jolla decides defaults, i have no problem being it on by default | 20:32 |
| artemma | still technical stats gathering should be painless | 20:32 |
| AL13N | artemma: then we agree | 20:32 |
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| artemma | Harmattan has had some special service that collected app wishes to go online within some 6 hrs or so and then they were all going to net together. Anything like this in Sailfish? Stskeeps maybe knows? | 20:33 |
| AL13N | just if i don't want it to phone home, i dont want to :-) | 20:33 |
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| AL13N | now for real, i'm going to sleep | 20:35 |
| mfulz | gn8 | 20:35 |
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| mf2hd | Hi all | 20:56 |
| mf2hd | my friends phone is in boot loop, any ideas? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | mf2hd: well, it depends on what he did to it | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | did he do anything that may cause it to happen himself? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | such as toying around a bit too much in developer mode | 20:58 |
| mf2hd | said that phone crashed when he was taking a photo | 20:58 |
| RST38h | Hi, Stskeeps | 20:58 |
| mf2hd | but nothing else | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: happy new year! | 20:58 |
| mf2hd | developer mode is installed, but not used to more than ssh | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | mf2hd: sadly there's nothing more to do than to get it in for service. we're doing our best to make this need for service a thing of the past for the next update(s) | 21:00 |
| kehnoo_ | yeah, bt yet get coffee and black cover! :p | 21:01 |
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| mf2hd | ok, just checking that it is not faulty filesystem or something similiar what i have had with n9 in the past | 21:01 |
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| kehnoo_ | oh hello choppy 3G eating letters | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | it is something that happened after the photo thing | 21:01 |
| artemma | mf2hd: I had it a couple of times. What helped was just waiting until reboot cycle is over and NOT starting any apps for a minute or so after reboot (though maybe it was not a fix, but a coincidence) | 21:02 |
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| mf2hd | hmm, could it be faulty file or something like that? I got my n9 user filesystem borked few times with rapid photo shot + slow fs i think | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | mf2hd: problem is that file system becomes unmountable | 21:03 |
| mf2hd | ok, so my hunch was close whee :) | 21:03 |
| mf2hd | (my friend did not believe me :P) | 21:03 |
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| mf2hd | so reflashing would probably help but is it available yet? | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | it isn't, we're not able to provide factory images | 21:06 |
| mf2hd | ok | 21:06 |
| mf2hd | so, thank you again, i'll pass the word :) | 21:06 |
| mf2hd | bye | 21:07 |
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| sarkh | Stskeeps, are you still interested about systemboot.log:s considering random shutdowns? Shutdowns started before 1.0.2.5 and averages 3 times per day according to log + sometimes reboot loop after shutdown (removing battery helps) | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | sarkh: do you have problems with total shutdowns too? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | not just reboots | 21:13 |
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| sarkh | random shutdown allways lefts the phone turned off, if that's what you mean by total | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i read reboot | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | sarkh: do you have a self-cut SIM? | 21:15 |
| sarkh | nope | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | any commonality in battery levels? | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | or battery charging to a level so fast it doesn't make sense | 21:15 |
| sarkh | never happen when connected to USB and usually not with almost full battery, below 70% it starts.. levels usually makes sense | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | sarkh: then yes, i'd like to see the systemboot.log too | 21:18 |
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| sarkh | ok, I'll email it to you soon (already sent to zendesk on last Thursday but they seem to be too busy to answer) | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | they're a bit overburdened at the moment, best to just talk straight to us R&D guys | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | or discuss on together.* since it's not really a personal care question | 21:23 |
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| ccha4 | about jolla store, there is no display changlog ? | 21:54 |
| ccha4 | there is new update for Tidings,... I want to view the changelog | 21:55 |
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| bara | hi, did any of you have contact with jolla support this year? | 21:55 |
| ccha4 | or for "IP Address" app | 21:55 |
| ccha4 | there is an email for support | 21:55 |
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| bara | i wonder if they are busy or my request got somehow lost | 21:56 |
| Yaniel | ccha4: I think there is a feature request for this on together.jolla.com | 21:57 |
| eleroux | bara: may I ask what is your concern? | 21:58 |
| bara | eleroux: i tried to order LE TOH with my coupn code, but the order is stuck on waiting for payment, now the code is invalid | 21:59 |
| bara | someone from jolla needs to reset it... | 22:00 |
| eleroux | bara: ok, so you have a zendesk ticket opened, correct? | 22:03 |
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| bara | yes eleroux, since 29.12. | 22:05 |
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| MarkusA | hi, can anyone tell me estimated delivery time of Jolla phone? | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | on what area? | 22:07 |
| MarkusA | Finland | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | a couple of days once shipped? | 22:08 |
| eleroux | bara: give them a little more time, Monday 6.1 was a holiday in Finland FYI... | 22:08 |
| Yaniel | how much time between order and actual shipment I don't know | 22:08 |
| MarkusA | yeah postal shipment is not problem, i'm wondering how long from order to shipping. | 22:09 |
| MarkusA | i would need one by end of this month. | 22:09 |
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| Yaniel | what is your order status? | 22:09 |
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| MarkusA | none yet, just trying to order. | 22:10 |
| bara | thanks eleroux, didn't know 6.1. was a holiday | 22:10 |
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| Yaniel | it has varied a lot | 22:10 |
| ccha4 | does someone use Tidings application ? | 22:12 |
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| joonahoi | MarkusA: will you be able to pick one up from dna store? | 22:14 |
| ccha4 | do you have the display bug for example with engadget about the fixed position bar ? | 22:14 |
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| MarkusA | joonahoi, i'll try this week. | 22:43 |
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| AlmAck | ccha4: in full view? yes I have the same problem with the engadget bar | 23:40 |
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| skvark | heh, just found perfectly fitting solar panel from my junk box -> connected to Jolla -> battery is charging :D | 23:46 |
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| artemma | Anybody else has unanswerable black screens when jolla is trying to receive a call? https://together.jolla.com/question/11895/cannot-pickup-call-black-screen-with-few-flashes-of-proper-screen-sometimes/ | 23:50 |
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| zbenjamin | artemma: i had this once , but didn'T happen again | 23:54 |
| * artemma had it like 3 times | 23:54 | |
| artemma | out of 10 calls maybe - /me doesn't get too many calls :) | 23:55 |
| Venemo | I never had that issue | 23:55 |
| zbenjamin | also i have the problem that the phone unlocks way too easy in a pocket | 23:55 |
| Venemo | but voting up nevertheless - phone app is important to be stable | 23:55 |
| artemma | it *might* be related to power/volume button being pressed while phone is ringing. Always or almost always it happened when phone was in the pocket initially | 23:56 |
| artemma | Venemo: thanks! | 23:56 |
| * artemma thinks the power of open community is in helping vendors solve my problems :) | 23:56 | |
| Yaniel | I've had the ambience favourites resetting to snow white and the first one a couple of times now | 23:58 |
| valdur55 | hack - more landscape mode: sed -i "s/allowedOrientations: Orientation.Portrait/allowedOrientations: Orientation.All/" /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml | 23:58 |
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