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| HtheB | 3:30 over here | 02:29 |
| HtheB | well.. 3:29 precicely :P | 02:30 |
| HtheB | oh, 3:30 now lol | 02:30 |
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| micko_ | again my jolla has a battery consumption problem even though tohd is stopped. I took it off the charger and after couple of minutes 98% | 06:25 |
| micko_ | reboot fixed | 06:25 |
| micko_ | might this be because I'm staying at a faraday cage? I heard there's metal net in the walls of this house | 06:27 |
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| micko_ | looks like reboot didn't help after all this time. still going at 10% per hour | 06:49 |
| PeterPark | micko_: if your reception is quite low your phone has to broadcast " stronger" resulting in larger power consumption | 06:52 |
| PeterPark | micko_: are you connecting 2G 3G? how many bars in quality of connection? | 06:53 |
| suosaaski | bad reception = high power consumption | 06:53 |
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| dunp | http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/267115.htm | 06:57 |
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| Stskeeps | zzzz | 07:05 |
| stephg | wakey wakey Stskeeps | 07:05 |
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| AL13N | :-( rainisto doesn't want security :-( | 07:10 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/?answer=10928#post-id-10928 | 07:11 |
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| micko_ | now this is weird. battery went down to 90% on one hour, but now it's been 90% for anoter hour. | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | you have the shutdown or reboot issues too? | 07:41 |
| micko_ | not that I know. what kind of isues are they? I had jolla on charger last night and when I disconnected it, the battery started discharging fast. tohd was still stopped | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | like uncontrolled shutdowns / no LED when shutting down, or randomly rebooting | 07:44 |
| micko_ | it discharged.to 90% and now it seems normal | 07:44 |
| micko_ | ah. I've had one uncontrolled shutdown | 07:45 |
| juergbi | i've seen it go back up from 87% to 90% or so (without charger) | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'm slowly starting to understand why devices only show bars and not percentages | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:46 |
| fk_lx | magic Jolla battery ;-) | 07:47 |
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| Stskeeps | micko_: remember the scenario it happened in? | 07:48 |
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| micko_ | I think I'll look into this when I'm back home. as I said, I'm staing at a faraday cage so everything might be because of that | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:49 |
| micko_ | Stskeeps: phone was on kitchen table for about an hour. when I checked it again, all the apps where closed | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so a spontaneous reboot | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | recall if this was before 1.0.2.5 | 07:49 |
| micko_ | yes | 07:49 |
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| Pnuu | micko_: does it get pretty hot? | 08:03 |
| Pnuu | I was in bad reception a few days ago, and the phone got quite hot | 08:03 |
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| AL13N_work | if mobile data would be turned off, would it use less power? | 08:07 |
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| AL13N_work | anyone who thinks privacy & security is important, please let your voice be heard (vote be seen): https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/#post-id-10928 | 08:43 |
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| Plnt | AL13N_work: upvoted | 08:45 |
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| AL13N_work | Plnt: i'll also point you to rainisto's answer, where he suggests to not have any security at all | 08:46 |
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| AL13N_work | since rainisto is afaik a jolla employee, we should show a strong opinion (IMHO) | 08:47 |
| Plnt | AL13N_work: i actually added similar post to together for android apps :) .. https://together.jolla.com/question/982/display-and-edit-android-apk-rights-when-installing-from-transfers/ | 08:47 |
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| AL13N_work | (though i'm pretty sure these are his personal views) | 08:47 |
| AL13N_work | upvoted as well :-) | 08:47 |
| Plnt | :)) | 08:47 |
| AL13N_work | though imho less important than native apps | 08:48 |
| Plnt | yep, agree | 08:48 |
| Plnt | but it would be quite nice featore to differentiate from regular android phones i think | 08:48 |
| Plnt | because so far the only one who offers that is cyanogenmod | 08:48 |
| Plnt | and just for some rights | 08:48 |
| Plnt | s/featore/feature/ | 08:48 |
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| AL13N_work | myeah | 08:49 |
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| * pahartik inspects "/usr/lib/connman/test/" in attempt to find out why "bnep0" fails to pass traffic | 09:06 | |
| AL13N_work | pahartik: it seems connman also has a problem with openvpn connections | 09:07 |
| AL13N_work | maybe it's related | 09:07 |
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| Yaniel | anyone had success with eap wlans? | 09:08 |
| pahartik | AL13N_work: Oh... | 09:09 |
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| AL13N_work | Yaniel: manually, i think (with connman profiles or something) | 09:13 |
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| Yaniel | is there any guide yet? | 09:14 |
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| ggabriel | morning | 09:25 |
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| teve | Yaniel: maybe this works: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399365&postcount=2186 | 09:29 |
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| Tofe | Yesterday, I tried pairing my Jolla with an iPhone 5, and it failed (iPhone didn't seem to acknowledge the pairing)... Is that a known issue ? Maybe not on Jolla side ? | 09:44 |
| Tofe | oops, I should have added bluetooth pairing | 09:44 |
| sledges | works with galaxy nexus fine | 09:44 |
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| sledges | only tested file transfer though, no explicit pairing involved | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | i tried pairing with an iphone 4 (ios 6), but was unable to do anything | 09:45 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: for me it was ios 7 | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | not sure what you want to do, but don't expect apple to be too open ;-) | 09:45 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: I wanted to send a photo, i.e. the basic scenario | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: i'd say forget about it | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | not jolla's fault though | 09:46 |
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| Tofe | ggabriel: I can easily leave with that :) | 09:46 |
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| ggabriel | ios 6 doesn't even allow me to send a photo via bluetooth | 09:46 |
| pahartik | Tofe: I think "iOS" does not support "OBEX"... | 09:47 |
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| Tofe | Ah, stop stop, I'm already convinced :) | 09:48 |
| Yaniel | Tofe: thanks for the link | 09:48 |
| Yaniel | I'll give it a try | 09:48 |
| sledges | just to check: have you made both phones visible to each other? | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | sledges: i did in my tests, maybe pahartik is correct and apple didn't include obex | 09:49 |
| Tofe | sledges: yes | 09:49 |
| Tofe | sledges: I even saw the verification number, clicked "OK" everywhere | 09:50 |
| AL13N_work | but they don't speak the same protocols | 09:50 |
| pahartik | Tofe: However, "MacOS X" supports "OBEX PUSH" and "OBEX FTP" just fine | 09:50 |
| sledges | weird, with gnexus didn't ask for any numbers | 09:50 |
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| sledges | probably that's the diff ^^ | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | the numbers? nah, the jolla and the n9 ask for numbers (PIN) | 09:51 |
| * Tofe sent a .csv file via scp from his n900 and pre3 yesterday... worked like a charm... | 09:51 | |
| ggabriel | and it works just fine | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | pretty cool to see how the pictures differ from one screen to the next | 09:51 |
| Yaniel | ios does not expose any kind of file system to the user so (obviously) it won't do much with obex | 09:51 |
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| * pahartik has noticed that "ip6tables" is missing from "Sailfish" for some reason | 09:56 | |
| ggabriel | i think it was mentioned that ipv6 wasn't supported yet | 09:57 |
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| pahartik | ggabriel: On this channel or somewhere else? | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | this channel iirc, grep -i ipv6 tho, i can't remember when | 09:58 |
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| AL13N_work | hmm | 10:00 |
| AL13N_work | no ip6tables yet? | 10:00 |
| AL13N_work | but there is the ip command | 10:00 |
| AL13N_work | anyone can do "ip -6 route show" ? | 10:00 |
| AL13N_work | maybe ipv6 is not compiled in the kernel | 10:00 |
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| pahartik | ggabriel: It works for me though | 10:01 |
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| AL13N_work | https://together.jolla.com/question/6049/ipv6-cannot-set-use_tempaddr/ ... | 10:01 |
| AL13N_work | if he has problems for this, i assume the other ipv6 stuff works | 10:01 |
| pahartik | ggabriel: As in, my tunnel and subnet works over mobile network | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | pahartik: i may be completely wrong, i haven't even bothered with ipv6 yet | 10:02 |
| AL13N_work | pahartik: so, it works, but you can't firewall it? | 10:02 |
| AL13N_work | pretty dangerouis | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | so the stack is there but there's no firewall? | 10:02 |
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| AL13N_work | one could do filtering with tc if ip6tables isn't there | 10:02 |
| AL13N_work | not so easy, but possible | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | does tc exist? | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | anyone check plz? | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | will need this for voip QoS | 10:03 |
| teve | yep | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | ok, thx | 10:03 |
| pahartik | ggabriel: Actual problem for me is that "Bluetooth PAN" somehow fails to work... | 10:03 |
| AL13N_work | pahartik: what if you manually do it without connman | 10:04 |
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| pahartik | ggabriel: Of course there is detail that "bridge-utils" is also missing from system, but I managed to get around that for years on "Nokia N900" | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | pahartik: i'm guessing that you are running an ipv6 lan :) | 10:07 |
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| pahartik | AL13N_work: Oh, I could connect with "pppd" and "chat" fairly easily if they can be installed... However, I have not dared to try so far, not sure if system starts fighting against if I disable "connman" and do such thing | 10:08 |
| pahartik | ggabriel: I generally do IPv6 everything | 10:10 |
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| iiska | Should I be able to call QLocale::system().name() to get user's language? On my phone it returns "C" instead of the selected "fi". | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | iiska: while ssh'ed in, or while on device | 10:11 |
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| iiska | In applications int main() function | 10:12 |
| iiska | And on device | 10:12 |
| pahartik | AL13N_work: "tc -V" prints "tc utility, iproute2-ss121211" | 10:13 |
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| iiska | I'm trying to determine user's language to be able to load correct *.qm file for QTranslator and thought that QLocale::system() could be the correct way | 10:16 |
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| iiska | Stskeeps: Actually, all seems to work ok if I launch the app from device's app menu. That "C" issue happens on when I run it in Sailfish IDE debugger using remote device target | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's a bug | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | could you file that with 'sdk' and 'bug' tag on together.jolla.com ? | 10:22 |
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| iiska | Yep | 10:22 |
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| iiska | https://together.jolla.com/question/11041/bug-qlocalesystem-returns-incorrect-locale-while-run-in-debugger/ | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 10:28 |
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| vatte | well this /var/log/faillog file onurati talked about yesterday. For me it's apparently "corrupted", 2.4 MB and text editors are weeping | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | vatte: it's binary | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | systemd logs are binary | 11:12 |
| vatte | uh oh | 11:12 |
| vatte | :D | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | use journalctl to read them, but don't ask me how | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: /var/log/systemboot.log is probably more useful in that regard | 11:14 |
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| vatte | yeah. Probably logging the battery voltage will be a better way anyway, doubt there is any trace in log files from these cold shutdowns | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | only that we realized it wasn't a clean shutdown i guess | 11:17 |
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| petantik | journalctl -b should show the log for current boot. | 11:20 |
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| petri | how often does /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now get updated? | 11:21 |
| petri | what is its "sampling frequency"? | 11:22 |
| petantik | how often it polls the value? | 11:22 |
| petantik | idk, might be polled on read. | 11:22 |
| petri | that would be awesome if a sensor was polled on read | 11:23 |
| petantik | well, depends on how the driver is configured. | 11:23 |
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| petantik | looks like it tries to read the chip whenever you read current_now | 11:40 |
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| ShadowJK | If the chip samples it on each read, it's a bit hard to use | 11:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suspect it's not that. | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Charge meters - by their very nature are sampling all the time. | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | (in some manner or other, it may be integration) | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Typically they report the average current over the last metered period - which may be every 5s, say. | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | So, if you read it, you get the current in the prior period. | 12:13 |
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| petri | if I do for i in `seq 1 1000`; do echo $(($(date +%s%N)/1000000)) && cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now; done | 12:27 |
| petri | it seems that the loop is executed about once in 10 milliseconds | 12:28 |
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| petri | and that the current reading changes between the reads | 12:28 |
| jmlich | Hi, can anyone help me with Jolla Harbour QA? My app was rejected because of not allowed dependency (qt5-qtdeclarative-import-positioning) | 12:28 |
| jmlich | Detailed description is here https://docs.google.com/document/d/15fd9QkRTNdE6c41U_4TGM4Mm4bj7kl4KOIOM8lLP4DI/edit?usp=sharing | 12:28 |
| jmlich | It was initial commit of https://gitorious.org/foursail | 12:29 |
| chem|st | is there another workaround connman for wpaE? looking at wpa_cli I do not even get to the point of authentication, I guess because I need to set an anonymous identity and probably the cert fails... | 12:29 |
| chem|st | how do I mark certs trustworthy in redhat? | 12:29 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: trying eduroam? | 12:32 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: yeah | 12:32 |
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| chem|st | my company network and eduroam | 12:32 |
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| fk_lx | jmlich: well QtPositioning is not allowed | 12:32 |
| chem|st | I have EAP-TTLS-PAP | 12:33 |
| fk_lx | jmlich: see Harbour FAQ for list of allowed libs/modules | 12:33 |
| jmlich | fk_lx, okay, is there workaround? | 12:33 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: iirc, i did not have to mark the eduroam cert(s) as trustworthy | 12:33 |
| fk_lx | another thing is that you have in your name dots | 12:33 |
| the_mgt | in gentoo, that was. I could try to recreate my config on jolla now, since i am on the campus | 12:33 |
| fk_lx | jmlich: the ugly thing is that I had the same problem and I had to ship a lib with my app, that actually can be installed via pkcon | 12:34 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: how do I pass an anonymous string with connman? | 12:35 |
| chem|st | the config does not allow it | 12:35 |
| chem|st | do I need to setup another general item and make a wpa config ofr it? | 12:36 |
| chem|st | and if yes what is the proper way? | 12:36 |
| the_mgt | i have no clue, on gentoo i used wpa_gui. but wpa_supplicant.conf on jolla looks like it is not the place to use | 12:36 |
| chem|st | exactly | 12:36 |
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| the_mgt | i just wanted to copy&paste my netbook's config | 12:38 |
| chem|st | on my netbook I cranked a wpa_roam setup with 10+ entries, but this gui fsck always kills intuitivity | 12:38 |
| chem|st | and wtf are those ipv4 ipv6.jolla.com entries in connman main.conf | 12:41 |
| ShadowJK | petri; yeah I noticed same thing. | 12:41 |
| chem|st | calling home... | 12:41 |
| ljp | online check | 12:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Judging by the new store content, a "workaround" to disallowed libs seems to be "android" :) | 12:43 |
| anYc | Hi, does someone know if the delivery still takes around 3-4 weeks? | 12:43 |
| ljp | chem|st: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 12:43 |
| chem|st | ljp: not helping... | 12:45 |
| chem|st | ljp: I need to set an anonymous identity and from the looks of it I get denied before even coming to wpa layer | 12:47 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: the anonymous identity is the "outer" identity or something, iirc | 12:47 |
| the_mgt | at least for eduroam | 12:48 |
| chem|st | yes | 12:48 |
| chem|st | how do I set it? | 12:48 |
| chem|st | connman manual has no entry for it afaics | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: ok I got through to wpa now but am missing the outer identity and it fails... | 12:55 |
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| the_mgt | did you follow that link? | 12:56 |
| HtheB | No I didn't | 12:56 |
| HtheB | did I had to? | 12:56 |
| HtheB | :P | 12:56 |
| the_mgt | dunno, there is a howto that seems reasonable. I am currently hunting down the cert (again) | 12:57 |
| HtheB | i dont what u'r talkin about :P | 12:57 |
| the_mgt | https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 12:58 |
| the_mgt | as just posted by ljp | 12:58 |
| the_mgt | there is a CACertFile=/etc/ssl/certs/ca-bundle.crt line and my university hides the certs deep down in the dfn | 12:58 |
| HtheB | ah | 12:59 |
| HtheB | eduroam | 12:59 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: I get the identity as error... | 13:00 |
| chem|st | what does our connman support as I found a diff from chromium with all kinds of things needed | 13:00 |
| stephg | oh dear the messaging app as gone funny :/ | 13:01 |
| stephg | can someone tell me what the pulley entry is in the all messages screen please | 13:03 |
| chem|st | stephg: New Msg | 13:03 |
| stephg | oh | 13:03 |
| stephg | ta | 13:03 |
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| * stephg goes hunting for the screenshot command | 13:04 | |
| stephg | oh I can use lbt's | 13:04 |
| TemeV | I think I saw a screen shot app at the store | 13:05 |
| stephg | yeah | 13:05 |
| lbt | new version coming as soon as QA approves it too :) | 13:06 |
| fk_lx | lbt: enough of this marketing :-P | 13:07 |
| fk_lx | (joking) | 13:07 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:08 |
| stephg | ha | 13:08 |
| valdur55 | is it screenshoot or snapshot? | 13:08 |
| lbt | screenshot ... in utils | 13:08 |
| * lbt just offers good customer support :D | 13:08 | |
| fk_lx | lbt: hehe, of course :-) | 13:10 |
| stephg | what do you all make of these: | 13:11 |
| stephg | http://tinypic.com/r/24277mt/5 | 13:11 |
| stephg | http://tinypic.com/r/21m8bdc/5 | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | nice effects | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 13:12 |
| stephg | http://tinypic.com/r/2gvu7ut/5 | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | stephg: looks cool | 13:12 |
| stephg | that's default, with the pulley and with the vkb respectively | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | reminds me of that bug where the launcher and home suporpose | 13:12 |
| stephg | curious thing is killing the app it comes back... | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | true multitasking ;-) | 13:12 |
| lbt | stephg: is that a bug ? | 13:13 |
| lbt | or are you hacking | 13:13 |
| stephg | that's a bug | 13:13 |
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| lbt | w00t: ^^ | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | stephg: is that your github auth code? :) | 13:13 |
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| stephg | but for which account! | 13:13 |
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| valdur55 | i wiped in calender between months and Monthname and year lifted up... | 13:14 |
| fk_lx | lbt: maybe it's a bug in screenshot app ;-) | 13:14 |
| fk_lx | hehe | 13:14 |
| lbt | stephg: can you report it | 13:14 |
| stephg | fk_lx there really is a gremlin on the wing! | 13:14 |
| stephg | lbt will do | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | stephg: just wanted to make sure you were aware in a jokingly manner ;) | 13:15 |
| fk_lx | stephg: :-) | 13:15 |
| valdur55 | oh. i can run jolla-calender and try reproduce this issue.. | 13:16 |
| valdur55 | calendar :) | 13:16 |
| lbt | yep - good reproduction steps are really important for us | 13:16 |
| valdur55 | are all installed apps openable with command? | 13:17 |
| valdur55 | It is nice to see that :) Meego Harmattan solution was crap... | 13:18 |
| HtheB | you could open all apps with command | 13:19 |
| HtheB | no, harmattan wasn't crap... you were just n00b | 13:19 |
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| valdur55 | HtheB: really? all apps was in /opt/appname folder and there was also bin folder... | 13:22 |
| HtheB | errrr.... seriously... that shows you how n00b you are | 13:23 |
| khertan_ | Ahoy | 13:23 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: following the config from the link above, my phone at least tries to establish the connection to eduroam | 13:23 |
| the_mgt | instead of insta-failing | 13:23 |
| the_mgt | but something is wrong, since it tries for about a minute now | 13:24 |
| * khertan_ really like Qt5, now i can do real syntax highlighting in qml! | 13:24 | |
| khertan_ | YOUHOU | 13:25 |
| * pahartik wonders if there is way to tell "connmand" to keep mobile network connected at all times | 13:25 | |
| khertan_ | maybe someone already ask, but look like with last sdk we can't anymore debug on device (with linux host and win host) | 13:26 |
| the_mgt | is there a log file so i can check why wifi is not established? | 13:26 |
| valdur55 | HtheB: ok. that is your opinion. Thanks for expressing yourself. I agree, my way of asking about asking this archidectural issue was noobish :) | 13:28 |
| valdur55 | No log about this issue... | 13:29 |
| HtheB | :P | 13:29 |
| the_mgt | chem|st: connected! | 13:31 |
| the_mgt | just had a typo | 13:31 |
| ljp | pahartik: turn off wlan | 13:31 |
| stephg | w00t going for lunch now but https://together.jolla.com/question/11124/bug-messages-rendering-broken-for-me/ I'll leave it in this broken state if you want me to do anything specific | 13:33 |
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| khertan_ | stephg, funny | 13:34 |
| stephg | well at least now it's sort of functional :) | 13:35 |
| the_mgt | ljp: thanks for the link | 13:35 |
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| pahartik | ljp: That was about first thing I did after launcing configuration application for first time... | 13:37 |
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| Tofe | I have also experienced that sometimes, on the main screens, there is a 1cm zone at the zop that is lighter than the rest; but I couldn't find a reproduceable scenario so... | 13:37 |
| pahartik | ljp: However, that does not prevent mobile network from disconnecting and apparently not trying again | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | i had a weird issue this morning with my data connectoin | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | it would say "problem connecting" when turning it on or off | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | in fact, it said that since yesterday, i just didn't notice | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | eventually, data would be off | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | and this happened when i "forced" the phone to go from data to wlan | 13:40 |
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| ggabriel | last time i did that the phone crashed, so maybe this is progress :) | 13:40 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: I got that too | 13:40 |
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| Pnuu | but in my case it wasn't related to wlan/3G switching | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah, i bet it happens, but i'll have to wait until the next update to try to reproduce etc | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: you mean phone crashing? | 13:41 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: just the message "problem connecting" | 13:42 |
| pahartik | ljp: So I have to unlock screen and play with GUI to continue... Not sure how I could do it from shell with simple "while sleep 60 ; do <connect> ; done" | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | oh, ok | 13:42 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 13:42 |
| Pnuu | booting helped, and wlan worked when I enabled that | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah, went to terminal, sudo reboot and then all is normal | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | but i know my ssid is hidden and that right now there are issues around that, so no point reporting anything | 13:43 |
| edgars | hi | 13:52 |
| valdur55 | ok. played it with more... it is in Event Start/End selection view. ,,, Even calculator buttons can dragged littlebit to downside... | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: how did you enter the outer_EPA | 13:53 |
| chem|st | eap | 13:53 |
| the_mgt | i didn't | 13:54 |
| chem|st | well you probably do not need one... I do! | 13:54 |
| the_mgt | just do as the link describes, even with the mentioned ca-bundle.crt (not .cert) | 13:54 |
| the_mgt | that was my typo | 13:54 |
| the_mgt | alledgedly, we need anonymous@tu-bs.de for the outer tunnel | 13:54 |
| the_mgt | seems that we don't | 13:55 |
| chem|st | hmm... | 13:55 |
| the_mgt | or rather, connman/wpasupplicant is smart enough to figure that out by itself, per default value or whatever. I did exactly what is in the link, nothing more. | 13:55 |
| khertan_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/5330/connecting-white-other-half-give-error/ | 13:56 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: <3>CTRL-REQ-IDENTITY-0:Identity needed for SSID eduroam | 13:58 |
| edgars | any ideas, will we se a shazam? :) | 14:00 |
| Bysmyyr | chem|st: tell me if you get it working? | 14:00 |
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| Bysmyyr | now I have to log every day manually to backupnetwork(with browser login, and even password saving do not work) | 14:00 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: where do you see that? | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | edgars: hi - you mean as a native application? best to ping shazam for that, although i'd expect they'll want to sell it, and harbour doesn't support that yet | 14:03 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: wpa_cli | 14:05 |
| chem|st | Bysmyyr: just killed connman... | 14:05 |
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| foeniks | hi | 14:07 |
| foeniks | as I consider buyin a jolla phone I wanted to look for available native apps for jolla | 14:07 |
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| foeniks | but I did not find a specific app store online to get a preview of available apps | 14:07 |
| chem|st | I really killed it... had to remove the battery to recover from failed reboot | 14:07 |
| foeniks | or is this yandex store also providing the jolla apps? | 14:08 |
| Bysmyyr | yandex provide androids app. Most of then run fine | 14:08 |
| Pnuu | foeniks: no web-version of the jolla store :-/ | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | foeniks: the jolla store is only available through the phone right now. yandex is primarily for android applications, although apparently jolla has those too | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | foeniks: if there is anything that you are looking for, i'm happy to help... | 14:09 |
| foeniks | hmm, this is more about my general curiosity | 14:10 |
| foeniks | I wanted to see whether there is a nice email client available (since I read that there is no default client installed with Jolla initially) | 14:10 |
| Pnuu | foeniks: there's built in terminal and ssh, what else would one want?-) | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | foeniks: bear in mind that the OS+phone are rather new, so don't expect much | 14:10 |
| foeniks | and whether the firefox browser is a native jolla app or the android app | 14:11 |
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| ggabriel | foeniks: right, jolla doesn't pollute your phone by default, so almost nothing comes installed | 14:11 |
| Pnuu | foeniks: android | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | foeniks: _but_ you can install the jolla essential pack which comes with an email client etc etc | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | foeniks: firefox will be the android application, however, the jolla's browser is based on the same engine (and hopefully improving) | 14:12 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | it asks what jolals own applications you want to isntall when you firtst use it | 14:12 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and email is one | 14:12 |
| foeniks | okay | 14:12 |
| foeniks | I am currently running a samsung wave II (with its bada os) so I am kind of used to not having the biggest choice in apps which is fine most of the time | 14:13 |
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| the_mgt | chem|st: odd, wpa_cli looks fine here | 14:14 |
| Bysmyyr | the_mgt: chem|st got working wpa enterprice? | 14:15 |
| the_mgt | no, his doesn't work, mine does | 14:16 |
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| the_mgt | hm, can i somehow change the hostname permanently? localhost is inconvenient | 14:18 |
| foeniks | Would you say that sailfish apps are consuming less CPU time because they are written in QT/C++? I.e. is jolla a bit more responsive than a comparable android phone? | 14:18 |
| Bysmyyr | the_mgt: some tutorial/manual or just man page? | 14:18 |
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| the_mgt | Bysmyyr: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 14:19 |
| the_mgt | foeniks: app starts can be "felt", because jolla does not cheat, like for example apple. apple will show a picture of the last app state so you are tricked into believing it already started while it actually didnt | 14:20 |
| the_mgt | but we are talking about 1 sec or max 2 secs here. if the apps have started, they are very responsive | 14:21 |
| onurati | the_mgt: this might help https://together.jolla.com/question/323/dhcp-client-seems-to-send-localhost-as-hostname/ | 14:21 |
| the_mgt | onurati: thanks! | 14:22 |
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| chem|st | the_mgt: write /etc/hostname | 14:25 |
| foeniks | thanks | 14:25 |
| Bysmyyr | the_mgt: that was easy, thanks! | 14:27 |
| HtheB | :) | 14:30 |
| the_mgt | Bysmyyr: yes, i wonder what all the additional info about anonymous@institute.org and certs is. seems even the people at my university do not see through all the options | 14:31 |
| Bysmyyr | the_mgt: what university? | 14:31 |
| Bysmyyr | I am in Aalto. Eduroam was pain 2years ago but now it is working fine | 14:32 |
| * artemma still is amazed when people call Apple optimizations of user experience and feeling of smoothness "cheating". Next time people will say that keeping mouse/touch handler thread priority high is also cheating, because app feelss faster than it is | 14:33 | |
| artemma | geek value system :) | 14:34 |
| * artemma hopes Jolla will invent even better "cheats" to make system feel super fluid and fast | 14:34 | |
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| the_mgt | artemma: well it is cheating. showing you some app image when the app is in a completely different state is moronic, imho | 14:35 |
| Pnuu | the_mgt: or the app isn't yet in any state :-P | 14:35 |
| the_mgt | some indicator showing that it actually does something when it takes longer than 100ms would be ok, though | 14:35 |
| the_mgt | Bysmyyr: TU Braunschweig here | 14:36 |
| artemma | the_mgt: it doesn't really matter, but just for being clear: Apple UI guidelines precisely tell that startup image should NOT look like the started app :) | 14:36 |
| the_mgt | artemma: I thought that was an OS feature, not one of the app | 14:36 |
| Bysmyyr | the_mgt: I have also credentials to Twente university, but they do not even tell settings, give only some python script :( | 14:37 |
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| artemma | according to guidelines startup (and usually in real apps) image should look as "not fully filled", app. To make it feel like it is starting, that's precisely the app state when this image is shown | 14:37 |
| the_mgt | artemma: anyway, I am fan of apps that are so optimized that they do not need "cheating" | 14:37 |
| artemma | the_mgt: nope, this image is created by developer | 14:37 |
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| the_mgt | artemma: I do not recall precisely, but some apps start with an image of what i did before a reboot of the ipad. Like a song that was played or a video that was watched | 14:38 |
| artemma | the_mgt: so showing to user a "starting" image to indicate that app is really starting is cheating somehow? :) | 14:38 |
| the_mgt | artemma: if the image is a "lie", it is cheating. see example with songs/videos above | 14:39 |
| artemma | yeah, iOS is making screenshots as well in some cases I think, but don't remember when exactly | 14:40 |
| artemma | well, if player is going to continue playing song when started, it's good to me that I see what's gonna happen right soon. Some people might prefer more context switching though | 14:40 |
| chem|st | artemma: trying to make people believe that something is fast but actually is slow as hell is cheating - just like telling people you invented VVoIP on smartphones, months after another phone was released with skype preinstalled and amsn videoconferencing... | 14:41 |
| artemma | chem|st: are you buying cars based on magazine reviews on technical capabilities, not on whether you like driving it? | 14:42 |
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| artemma | Well, I like seeing ASAP that app is actually starting and what it will do right after start. Some people don't like such an advance notifications and prefer waiting for full app start for some reason. Sounds strange to me, but people are different | 14:44 |
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| the_mgt | hm, just started some apps after a reboot. you see that they are doing something, the Cover tells you | 14:47 |
| chem|st | artemma: both, if a company tries to fool me I wont buy from them ever | 14:48 |
| artemma | chem|st: I am making a flashlight app. Due to tech reasons, LED torch only starts light some 0.2-0.5 sec after you press a button. Would you like a button be highlighted/pressed right away (instant reactuion feels fast, you are sure you actually did press a button) or to wait until torch actually starts: feels as sluggish reaction to button press and you are not sure if you actually pressed, so you might tap again? | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | instant | 14:52 |
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| ShadowJK | or make a slider thing, that starts sliding towards on when you tap it, and takes .5 sec to reach the on position | 14:52 |
| * artemma is trying to illustrate that there is a difference between lying and "notifying in advance". Sure such "notifying in advance" might need an educated guess that might fail sometimes | 14:53 | |
| artemma | ShadowJK: starting time is not really predictable | 14:53 |
| edgars | ggabriel: i see :) | 14:54 |
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| artemma | of course real great apps/OSes would go a step further and player example in the_mgt example would show a preview of a song to-be-played ASAP together with some sort of a loading spinner. But that's the next step. Sailfish covers with "Loading.." message are similar sort of "lying" actually | 14:57 |
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| * pahartik thinks blank screen with name of application and title of document would be appropriate when starting up | 14:58 | |
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| HtheB | >.< | 14:58 |
| artemma | How cruel from Windows and MacOS X to show an app icon in task manager when app is actually swapped to disk and not really running :) | 15:00 |
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| TemeV | artemma: related to that, I was quite amazed when I noticed that in windows 7 when you "peek" an application it is on real time view | 15:24 |
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| TemeV | by peek I mean movin a cursor above the image in taskbar so that it shows the window | 15:25 |
| smokex | you mean like kde has done since 2004 | 15:26 |
| smokex | a bit off topic for this channel | 15:26 |
| artemma | TemeV: smokex" I am not sure how exactly Win7 and KDE do it, but if I get it correctly app is serving real real-time images then while mobile platforms (iOS, Android, Sailfish) can't really afford it | 15:27 |
| TemeV | oops typo there. I mean't it is not on real time view | 15:28 |
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| TemeV | So I can't peek to app and see if something has happened there | 15:30 |
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| TemeV | but in Sailfish the covers show the real time view of app | 15:31 |
| stephg | Anyone else had a loop of 'Problem with connection' notifications that ultimately ended in death? | 15:31 |
| stephg | (death may have been my fault) | 15:31 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: define loop? the first time my phone crashed i saw problem with connecitons | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | but i was purposefuly trying to connect to the hidden wlan :P | 15:32 |
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| stephg | well after the messages thing earlier I then went to a pub (for lunch) which may have had wifi that I'd saved | 15:33 |
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| stephg | it wouldn't wake up easily (double tap or power button) but when it did was endlessly notifying "problem with connection" | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | stephg: ok, def not my case | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | similar, but no :) | 15:34 |
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| stephg | ... even when I got it into flightmode | 15:35 |
| stephg | it eventually rebooted and is fine since though it looks like my saved wiress connections aren't now there | 15:35 |
| stephg | (and my messaging is now fine :) ) | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | stephg: i decided to wait for the next update before looking more closely to these issues | 15:36 |
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| stephg | well is the first time it's happened for me | 15:37 |
| AJAX555 | mm | 15:38 |
| AJAX555 | I visited tallinn yesterday | 15:38 |
| AJAX555 | and I am in finland now | 15:38 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder why I still have estonian EMT | 15:39 |
| vatte | AJAX555: jolla must have amazing reception then ;) | 15:39 |
| AJAX555 | yeah ;D | 15:39 |
| AJAX555 | too amazing | 15:39 |
| HtheB | :( when is the next update coming? | 15:40 |
| HtheB | haha | 15:40 |
| * HtheB loves updates | 15:40 | |
| vatte | AJAX555: do you have a finnish sim card? | 15:40 |
| AJAX555 | vatte: yes | 15:40 |
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| HtheB | i hate it when the phone app directly calls soeone by pressing its name :/ | 15:50 |
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| HtheB | happens a lot that I accidently 'call' a number | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | HtheB: there should be a setting | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | ios is the same, i'm well used to it | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | harmattan is a bit more careful | 15:51 |
| HtheB | i rather have harmattan style :/ | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | i'm torn tbh | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | i managed to get used to it | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | maybe suggest a toggle for that? it shouldn't be hard | 15:52 |
| HtheB | why should I get used to the shit? :p | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | HtheB: i didn't think of it that way | 15:52 |
| thedead1440 | HtheB: hehe, i remember the number of posts on tmo when the n9 was released whining on why there is a 2-stage procedure for making a call | 15:52 |
| HtheB | sometimes i want to sms someone | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | but maybe you have a point if you want more information about the call | 15:53 |
| HtheB | but i always end up calling : | 15:53 |
| HtheB | :( | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | thedead1440: why that doesn't surprise me :) | 15:53 |
| thedead1440 | the samsung implementation is (unfortunately) the best, slide contact left to sms and right to call | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | HtheB: you can sms with long press | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: there may be a setting coming for that but until it's published it's hard to say when.. | 15:54 |
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| thedead1440 | personally, a 1-stage procedure with long press is actually good enough | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | i like the long press | 15:54 |
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| Pnuu | I send texts from the messaging app | 15:55 |
| Pnuu | not from phonebook | 15:55 |
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| ggabriel | i find it natural to want to send texts from people/dialer/messaging | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | but i don't know why | 15:56 |
| norly | i like the phonebook as a starting point because i can see all available communication channels for a contact in one place. phone, sms, email, ... | 15:58 |
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| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/11186/toggle-to-disable-directly-calling-by-1-time-pressing-in-the-call-log-app/ | 16:00 |
| HtheB | thedead1440, ggabriel | 16:00 |
| HtheB | oh, thaks for the answer Stskeeps ! | 16:00 |
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| parasemic | anyone else have issues with cutespotify? | 16:04 |
| parasemic | mine started crashing today and reinstall wont help | 16:04 |
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| TemeV | parasemic: mine crashed once today | 16:07 |
| TemeV | but I'm not sure if I accidentally closed it | 16:08 |
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| parasemic | well, mine stopped working altogether | 16:12 |
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| vatte | do updates from play store work for others? | 16:20 |
| krig | Stskeeps: do you know if once libaudioresource is exposed, will using QSoundEffect be OK? It's wonky now, doesn't handle volume... | 16:21 |
| chem|st | Bysmyyr: got ot working | 16:21 |
| chem|st | guess I managed to get it hung up somewhere... | 16:21 |
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| chem|st | no need for "outer" identity at all but having the right credentials helps... | 16:22 |
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| chem|st | and some way in between I got it to crash and not do anything | 16:22 |
| fk_lx | krig: that's a more like question to thp, he is in libaudioresource | 16:22 |
| Bysmyyr | I just copied that template with my own credentials... nothing special | 16:23 |
| krig | thp: ^^ :) | 16:23 |
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| chem|st | Bysmyyr: I just recognized that my institute is no more mapped to eduroam so I tried the wrong credentials... although I am curious why identity-0 is missing errors come up when I do not even get a proper outer connection | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | krig: i don't really know about the harbour policies, but yeah, thp'd be the authority on libaudioresource | 16:26 |
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| Nicd- | vatte: worked mostly fine, except one app disappeared from the app grid | 16:26 |
| krig | Stskeeps: alright, thanks | 16:26 |
| Nicd- | vatte: it's still accessible from the google play app though | 16:26 |
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| vatte | I just realized I can't download new apps either, stuck on "Waiting for network". I guess it might be G's problem as well | 16:26 |
| Nicd- | vatte: wlan? | 16:27 |
| vatte | Nicd-: yeah | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | does that on mine too | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | works on 3G | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | but I had to turn off WLAN and reboot to get it to accept 3G | 16:27 |
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| vatte | Nicd-: thanks! I just had to turn wlan off and it worked straight away | 16:28 |
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| parasemic | wlan seems to be terribal on Jolla, i turned it off totally and my life got a hell of a lot better | 16:39 |
| parasemic | terribad* | 16:39 |
| ln- | "terribad" is not a word either | 16:42 |
| parasemic | not in the dictionary maybe | 16:43 |
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| parasemic | but on the internet it is | 16:43 |
| Pnuu | intternjet | 16:44 |
| parasemic | anyone know if the issues are HW or SW related? | 16:44 |
| Pnuu | I've had no wlan issues so far | 16:44 |
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| * stephg same as Pnuu | 16:44 | |
| Nicd- | I've had some, where it disconnects every now and then | 16:44 |
| PeperJohnny | I had some today. It wouldn't connect to an AP which was 2m away :< | 16:45 |
| Nicd- | currently it's on 3G even though I have WLAN on | 16:45 |
| PeperJohnny | After a reboot it was ok, but then after some time it failed me again | 16:45 |
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| stephg | Nicd-, I think that's a slightly different thing | 16:50 |
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| thp | krig: you can use libaudioresource directly or the upcoming libaudioresource-qt, which just wraps libaudioresource in a qt-ish manner (signals, slots, properties and stuff) | 16:53 |
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| krig | thp: right, it's a bit tricky now though since it's not included in the sdk or emulator (as far as I can tell) | 16:54 |
| krig | thp: libaudioresource-qt sounds perfect though, I guess I can just wait for that | 16:54 |
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| thp | krig: https://github.com/nemomobile/libaudioresource-qt/, i've just integrated w00t's feedback today, so the api should be stable now with soversion 2 | 16:55 |
| krig | thp: but given that libaudioresource is used, using QSoundEffect to play sound is alright? | 16:55 |
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| krig | thp: awesome, thanks! | 16:55 |
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| thp | krig: should be, yeah, QSoundEffect is in QtMultimedia, right? | 16:56 |
| krig | yep | 16:56 |
| krig | it works apart from always playing at full volume | 16:56 |
| thp | yeah, then it should be no problem. you can even use libpulse(-simple) directly or QAudioOutput | 16:56 |
| thp | about the volume i'm not sure, would have to check that | 16:56 |
| thp | i know that outputting using libpulse-simple, the audio stream has the normal system volume | 16:57 |
| krig | thp: ok, I'll look at using that instead for now | 16:57 |
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| krig | thp: one more thing: in libaudioresource, i'd classify as 'game' or 'media' -- should any non-game low-latency use (like, say, a metronome) classify as game there? | 16:58 |
| thp | or QAudioOutput, which might be a bit nicer | 16:58 |
| thp | low-latency stuff is handled in the audio library | 16:58 |
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| krig | alright, so the classification is not for that | 16:58 |
| thp | krig: in the case of libpulse-simple (again, because i've used it.. ;) you can pass the correct parameters to the pa_simple_new() function.. http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/simple.html | 16:59 |
| thp | krig: http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/structpa__buffer__attr.html | 16:59 |
| thp | krig: there was also a discussion about this on the PA mailing list some moons ago: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-May/003769.html | 17:01 |
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| thp | apparently the low latency thing is automatically added if using PA 0.9.16 or newer (cf https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519991) | 17:03 |
| Merbot | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 519991 in pulseaudio "RFE: set PA_STREAM_ADJUST_LATENCY flag in PA Simple API" [Medium,Closed: wontfix] | 17:03 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | sup | 17:14 |
| HtheB | trying to convert people | 17:14 |
| HtheB | to jolla/sailfish | 17:14 |
| stephg | word ZogG_lap1op | 17:15 |
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| krig | thp: great, thanks | 17:19 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | ? | 17:25 |
| ZogG_lap1op | stephg left and i didn't get what he want | 17:26 |
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| Quu | microsoft word | 17:30 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | i hate office | 17:37 |
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| tehdely | :0 | 18:50 |
| tehdely | whoops | 18:50 |
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| valdur55 | :wq! ... what is longest vim command? | 19:02 |
| Tofe | valdur55: not that one, for sure | 19:02 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | Stskeeps: ping | 19:11 |
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| hahlo | is there same kind of flasher for jolla than maemo has? | 19:42 |
| Dima^_ | Hello guys :) | 19:42 |
| Dima^_ | Does anyone gets annoyed by calls -list, when touched accidentally any number, phone calls immediately to this number | 19:43 |
| Dima^_ | happens to me all the time | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there's potentially a setting on the way, let's see what update it makes it into | 19:44 |
| Dima^_ | good | 19:44 |
| Dima^_ | it's good to chose Call or Sms | 19:44 |
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| ighea | Dima^_: you definitely are not the only one :) | 19:45 |
| fk_lx | Dima^_: context menu, or something similar with icons sliding would be a good solution | 19:46 |
| fk_lx | that way potential unplanned calls could be solved | 19:46 |
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| Dima^_ | the same as in n9 was good solution | 19:46 |
| Dima^_ | but sliding is also good | 19:47 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, that strange antialising can be seen easily on icons on launcher screen | 19:49 |
| Morpog_PC | refering to your answer here: https://together.jolla.com/question/11164/screen-rendering-weird-pixel-interpolation/ | 19:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | you can easily spot it in the screenshot I added in my own bug report: https://together.jolla.com/question/307/enhance-launcher-appearance/ | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok, thanks | 19:50 |
| Morpog_PC | move launcher a bit up/down and the icons look ok, moove more, icons look bad again, and so on | 19:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | Developers already start to make their icons 1 or 2 pixels smaller, so they don't get affected by that antialising bug | 19:52 |
| HtheB | I just ordered a Pebble Steel | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: do we have any idea what might cause something like that? | 19:56 |
| HtheB | Elleo: Pebble Steel w00t! | 19:56 |
| * w00t reads up | 19:57 | |
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| w00t | mmm | 19:58 |
| w00t | I think I'll have to look with non-sleepy eyes | 19:58 |
| w00t | but not off the top of my head | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:59 |
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| Elleo | HtheB: :) | 20:01 |
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| HtheB | I just ordered one | 20:01 |
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| khertan_ | Evening | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | evening khertan_ | 20:13 |
| khertan_ | i got nasty bugs, when my apps start i got my listview populated but also ViewPlaceholder enabled: notesModel.count == 0 | 20:14 |
| khertan_ | probably a updating model while drawing | 20:15 |
| * fk_lx spots that Morpog_PC has both screenshot apps on his Jolla | 20:15 | |
| khertan_ | but if i switch to launch then come back to apps problem disapear | 20:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol fk_lx :D | 20:16 |
| khertan_ | any idea ? https://github.com/khertan/ownNotes/blob/master/Sailfish/ownNotes/qml/pages/MainPage.qml | 20:16 |
| fk_lx | Morpog_PC: danke! | 20:16 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 20:16 |
| Morpog_PC | choice matters | 20:16 |
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| fk_lx | btw. in next update there will be better icon than the current one: https://github.com/fk-lx/SailshotMe/blob/master/harbour-sailshotme.png | 20:17 |
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| RzR | Hacky New Years ! so what up | 20:23 |
| RzR | khertan_, so do you run sfos on j1 or the other one :) | 20:24 |
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| khertan_ | RzR, it took me 5 minutes to understand your SMS :) | 20:26 |
| khertan_ | RzR, both | 20:26 |
| RzR | SMS? | 20:27 |
| khertan_ | sfos on jl | 20:27 |
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| RzR | j1 = jolla1 | 20:27 |
| khertan_ | RzR, you think there will be a second ? | 20:28 |
| khertan_ | ;à | 20:28 |
| khertan_ | ;) | 20:28 |
| RzR | the one with the keyboard of hell :) | 20:28 |
| khertan_ | RzR, lol | 20:28 |
| RzR | the one optimized for python coders | 20:28 |
| khertan_ | RzR, already optimized for python coder | 20:28 |
| khertan_ | that s harbour which isn't | 20:29 |
| khertan_ | :p | 20:29 |
| khertan_ | i'ven't try yet a bt keyboard | 20:29 |
| Tegu_ | I have and it didn't work. a quick search on together.jolla.com gave similar results | 20:30 |
| RzR | khertan_, do u still code while on transportation ? | 20:30 |
| RzR | btw do u plan to go to fosdem ? 75% chances I'll be there | 20:31 |
| * Stskeeps is going to fsodem | 20:31 | |
| RzR | great | 20:31 |
| * fk_lx is going to fosdem | 20:32 | |
| * AL13N is going to fosdem | 20:32 | |
| AL13N | i'll be in the mageia booth | 20:33 |
| AL13N | is there a jolla booth someplace? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, we saw the booth thing too late | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | we had one last year | 20:33 |
| AL13N | really, i hadn't seen it | 20:33 |
| AL13N | damnit | 20:33 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: if you know another group sometimes they allow you to share boots | 20:33 |
| AL13N | *booths | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. but we're just going as ourselves | 20:34 |
| AL13N | k | 20:34 |
| RzR | Stskeeps, I remember you all had n9ies under the table :) | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, i might have a talk, but nothing confirmed yet | 20:34 |
| fk_lx | to be honest last year's Jolla booth was not interesting at all, if there wouldn't be cybette and iekku there I wouldn't bother even visitng that booth | 20:34 |
| khertan_ | RzR, yep always in the train and sometimes at home when wife and daughter sleep | 20:34 |
| AL13N | well, since you're going, stop by the Mageia booth and see me :-) | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | we had an sdk and that was it, and stickers | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:34 |
| khertan_ | RzR, nope no fosdem for me | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | and then there was a guy who was looking very very sick sitting across from it | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | <- | 20:35 |
| RzR | I have still have those wip logo stickers on lappy | 20:35 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: I'll stop at Magei booth for sure | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:35 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: just let us know how you look | 20:35 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: hope that not like on your Together avatar | 20:35 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 20:35 |
| RzR | btw it would be good to have a meegoers meeting again | 20:35 |
| AL13N | typical fat goatie black T-shirt geek, you can't miss | 20:35 |
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| AL13N | fk_lx: :-) | 20:35 |
| fk_lx | RzR: and Sailfishers | 20:35 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=fosdem | 20:36 |
| RzR | fk_lx, indeed | 20:36 |
| * khertan_ would like to have time for such meeting | 20:36 | |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me, i should steal a bunch of stickers.. | 20:36 |
| RzR | and devices :) | 20:36 |
| fk_lx | let's bring some vodka for that meeting ;-) | 20:36 |
| AL13N | fk_lx: that reminds me, you might find me because i'd have a jolla phone :-) | 20:37 |
| RzR | fk_lx, you're from poland too ? | 20:37 |
| mkpaa | does someone know status of Android bluetooth support in Jolla? When/if it is coming. | 20:37 |
| fk_lx | RzR: yes I'm from Poland, and I'm even coming at the same flight as Stskeeps :-P | 20:37 |
| RzR | he's the pilot of the mer plane | 20:38 |
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| fk_lx | well I hope that Stskeeps won't pilot the plane, otherwise I would go on foot to Brussels ;-) | 20:38 |
| AL13N | would it be a good idea to have a together post on FOSDEM? | 20:39 |
| RzR | mer plane is dommed to sink in the sea and haunt the northern seas | 20:39 |
| AL13N | and people comment would be the ones going | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | make sense | 20:39 |
| RzR | AL13N, let me that | 20:39 |
| AL13N | k, you have the honors | 20:39 |
| RzR | since I posted that one http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91627&highlight=fosdem | 20:39 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: good idea for fast karma raise for you ;-) | 20:39 |
| RzR | I'll update both | 20:40 |
| AL13N | fk_lx: karma is not that important | 20:40 |
| AL13N | especially once you get past 500 | 20:40 |
| RzR | only if you believe in live after death | 20:40 |
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| AL13N | exactly | 20:40 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: of course, karma is just for kids ;-) | 20:40 |
| AL13N | hey, as i always say; you die only once | 20:40 |
| AL13N | RzR: link us? | 20:41 |
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| AL13N | RzR: perhaps mention something about a meeting up? | 20:41 |
| RzR | yes doing this now | 20:42 |
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| khertan_ | in the way to download owncloud 6, i just see a tweet on the first page about my ownNotes apps for Sailfish ... huhu | 20:46 |
| Pnuu | khertan_: we just installed ownCloud to our server, I've been testing the ubuntu client briefly | 20:48 |
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| RzR | https://together.jolla.com/question/11303/are-you-going-to-fosdem-irl-floss-meeting-in-belgium/ | 20:50 |
| AL13N | from together "here's to hoping next update fixes all"... errr yeah right | 20:50 |
| Pnuu | whee | 20:50 |
| RzR | khertan_, could oc6 run on small devices ? | 20:50 |
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| AL13N | RzR: commented | 20:52 |
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| khertan_ | RzR, php... so no ...but that's running on raspberrypi | 20:52 |
| AL13N | RzR: i was certain that you'd posted something before, do you have multiple identities or something? | 20:52 |
| khertan_ | Pnuu, ownNotes is a note taking apps with ownNotes sync | 20:52 |
| Pnuu | khertan_: oh, I just read the owncloud part :-D | 20:54 |
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| fk_lx | rzr: added a date | 20:54 |
| khertan_ | Pnuu, :) | 20:55 |
| khertan_ | Pnuu, there is still some bugs | 20:56 |
| khertan_ | release 1.5.0 in progress | 20:56 |
| khertan_ | only one nasty bug to fix | 20:56 |
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| attah | which is? :) | 20:57 |
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| Pnuu | khertan_: if you're working on it, pls add CLI interface+installation for client :-) | 20:58 |
| Pnuu | there's pyOwnCloud, but that's only for <= 0.91.0 | 20:59 |
| khertan_ | that's not an ownCloud client | 21:00 |
| khertan_ | it s a note taking apps | 21:00 |
| khertan_ | with a ownCloud sync | 21:00 |
| khertan_ | for notes only | 21:00 |
| Pnuu | (I'm a bit knurd, I guess..) | 21:00 |
| khertan_ | Pnuu, http://khertan.net/ownNotes | 21:00 |
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| mfulz | anyone here from jolla team? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: we're here as part of the community | 21:09 |
| mfulz | great :) | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie we can't make official statements or the likes | 21:09 |
| RzR | khertan_, had owncloud running on my nas .. but it broke when I tried to upgrade | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | but we can probably answer some bits | 21:09 |
| mfulz | how can I file a bug report for connman? | 21:09 |
| RzR | and I had less ram than on rpi | 21:09 |
| mfulz | I've send an email to devel list but there is no real reply to it | 21:09 |
| RzR | mfulz, is it an upstream bug ? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: best way is to make a together.* item with tags: 'bug' and 'connectivity' | 21:10 |
| khertan_ | RzR, last release require php5.3 or 5.4 didn't remember | 21:10 |
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| khertan_ | which i didn't have on my old nas too | 21:10 |
| khertan_ | RzR, which one is it ? | 21:10 |
| mfulz | and send it to the list again? | 21:10 |
| RzR | khertan_, buffalo lsproduo | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: nah, it'll get picked up | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | the list thing was a workaround initially | 21:11 |
| RzR | khertan_, have debian running on it | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | until we got together.* up | 21:11 |
| khertan_ | (my new NAS is a home made one a raspberrypi ;) ) | 21:11 |
| mfulz | RzR: I don't know know | 21:11 |
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| RzR | khertan_, is rpi reliable ? | 21:11 |
| RzR | khertan_, what uptime do you achieve | 21:11 |
| mfulz | <Stskeeps> mfulz: nah, it'll get picked up - what do you mean? | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | mfulz: as in, we'll notice it when it has those tags and take it forward :) | 21:12 |
| RzR | khertan_,but I have a recent board perfect for an home server | 21:12 |
| khertan_ | RzR, uptime... 2days | 21:12 |
| khertan_ | i setup 2days ago | 21:12 |
| RzR | khertan_, mine is over 100 | 21:12 |
| khertan_ | :) | 21:12 |
| RzR | khertan_, a rpi for xmass | 21:12 |
| mfulz | ah ok - it's not in till now I'll resend it with the tags | 21:12 |
| khertan_ | so for the moment i can't say if it reliable or not | 21:13 |
| RzR | khertan_, and a jolla dev ... how nice were you in 2013 :) | 21:13 |
| khertan_ | my other pi isn't at all reliable but that s due to the way i use it with my cyclone fpga | 21:14 |
| RzR | fk_lx, 2014 | 21:14 |
| khertan_ | RzR, hihi but that the small gift | 21:14 |
| fk_lx | RzR; haha | 21:14 |
| khertan_ | i bought something with many zero ... a new home | 21:14 |
| * fk_lx is still with thoughts in 2013 | 21:15 | |
| mfulz | ok sent it :) | 21:15 |
| mfulz | hope there will be some progress - I need my VPN :D | 21:15 |
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| jjanvier | hi there | 21:17 |
| jjanvier | I don't why but I have lost my ambiences on my jolla :( | 21:18 |
| jjanvier | anybody had this pb ? | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | did you remove tutorial app? | 21:18 |
| jjanvier | Stskeeps: yes ! | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | well there you have it | 21:18 |
| jjanvier | ok... | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:18 |
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| jjanvier | sby already a site where we see and share ambiences ? | 21:19 |
| jjanvier | where we could* | 21:19 |
| mfulz | ah together :D | 21:19 |
| mfulz | ok | 21:19 |
| jjanvier | could be cool, no ? | 21:20 |
| artemma | there are apps for sharing/voting for wallpapers, one for ambiances would be good too. | 21:20 |
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| * artemma is thinking about automatic ambiance sharing, but integration with web is a bit beyond me | 21:20 | |
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| jjanvier | artemma: do you a kinl of this wallpaper app ? | 21:21 |
| jjanvier | a link* | 21:21 |
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| artemma | uhm.. one I was fascinated about was for BB10, don't quite remember name :/ | 21:21 |
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| artemma | it might have counterparts in iOS/Android, but I've seen it on BB10 only | 21:22 |
| jjanvier | ok | 21:22 |
| artemma | though now that I am thinking about, it was more about voting for flickr results, ratehr than about sharing own pics | 21:22 |
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| mfulz | Stskeeps: thanks | 21:24 |
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| jjanvier | weird... my debian does not recognize the phone as a usb stick | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | we use MTP | 21:54 |
| jjanvier | somebody has this pb too ? | 21:54 |
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| jjanvier | so it should work | 21:55 |
| jjanvier | no ? | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | no, we don't export usb mass storage, connect with MTP | 21:55 |
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| till | or with sftp | 21:57 |
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| jjanvier | hmmm... do you know a good app to browse mtp devices on kde ? dolphin can do it ? | 22:04 |
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| Morphy | My Jolla keeps shutting itself down unexpectedly from time to time, has anyone else experienced that problem or is it hardware related? | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | Morphy: mail me /var/log/systemboot.log at carsten.munk@jolla.com | 22:09 |
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| pdanek | It seems tere is no way how to delete added Yandex account in GUI, even if I uninstall / install, this setting is preserved. | 22:09 |
| vatte | Morphy: for me it seemed to be related to a false battery level, with a fully charged phone (overnight on charger) the problem seems to have disappeared | 22:10 |
| Morphy | Stskeeps: I'll do that, vatte: it usually happens when the battery is showing ~50%, and when I turn it on again it runs fine until the battery dies | 22:12 |
| Morphy | I mean until the battery is close to 0 | 22:12 |
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| winfriedd | @jjanvier: I heard there is an experimental kio slave for MTP, have not tried it myself | 22:14 |
| winfriedd | Why don't you use the WLAN connection, in that case you don't even have to connect the USB cable. | 22:15 |
| jjanvier | winfriedd: I installed kio-mtp (available on testing), but it does not seems to work | 22:15 |
| vatte | after I disabled the tohd.service to prolong battery life the phone was lasting unusually long (after 1.5 days it still showed 80%), but then it also started to die frequently. After a charge during which the battery level went up and down everything seems back to normal (battery went down from 100% to 55% since this morning and no unexpected shutdowns) | 22:15 |
| winfriedd | Use dolphin | 22:15 |
| winfriedd | with fish kip slave: | 22:15 |
| winfriedd | fish://nemo@<ip_of_jolla> | 22:16 |
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| winfriedd | Also see this question at together: https://together.jolla.com/question/282/usb-file-transfer-support-for-mac-os-x/ | 22:17 |
| winfriedd | It has some stuff for linux as well | 22:17 |
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| jjanvier | winfriedd: <3 thanks \o/ | 22:20 |
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| Morphy | vatte: Based on the systemboot.log it seems that I'm having the same issue that you had. However, the shutdown that I recently experienced wasn't a result of the battery being empty, according to the log | 22:20 |
| jjanvier | winfriedd: I did not know the fish protocol for dolphin | 22:21 |
| vatte | Morphy: my shutdowns did not appear in the log, as the device seemed to lose power abruptly. Basically the same effect as removing battery | 22:24 |
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| macmaN | wrong window | 22:32 |
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| winfriedd | @janvier , fish protocol already exists since long time, but many people don't know about it | 22:50 |
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| winfriedd | I started with KDE 2, as far as I remember it already existed back then. | 22:51 |
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| artemma | I was using Android apps on blackberry without much problem and confusion. IMHO Jolla users dislike of Android apps is mostly not because they hate Android, but because Android apps don't work well enough. Don't integrate well, are slow(ish) and eat too much memory: running Browser and Instagram simultaneously is not always possible | 23:19 |
| artemma | just sharing | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would not quite phrase it as dislike. | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | But some actual positive indication in the store indeed would be nice for the resource and UI reasons. | 23:33 |
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