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| pdanek | Stskeeps: do you consider Ubuntu Touch as modern OS, worth of year 2013? | 00:11 |
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| kelvan | android apps stopped suddenly playing sound, maybe beacause of the update2, any idea? http://pastebin.com/mPeNekeN | 00:14 |
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| HtheB | kelvan: it's a known bug | 00:35 |
| HtheB | just reboot your device or restart dalvik | 00:35 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ | 00:35 |
| HtheB | see "Known issues" | 00:35 |
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| kelvan | HtheB: restart was the first thing I did, I'll try a second reboot | 01:26 |
| kelvan | thx | 01:26 |
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| kelvan | restart dalvik did it, thanks again | 01:29 |
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| kelvan | is there a possibility to list all packages manually installed (not the preinstalled ones) with zypper? still looking for a way to fix camera/led without resetting everthing | 01:55 |
| * pahartik did set up "Bluetooth PAN" and "radvd", but no traffic seems to be getting through "bnep0" | 02:04 | |
| * pahartik is attempting to route IPv6 traffic between "Bluetooth PAN" and mobile network, just like "Nokia N900" has done for years | 02:08 | |
| kelvan | Getting "The camera service is missing" at jolla-camera start | 02:10 |
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| tanghus | OK, now my email account is not getting recognized. That is - annoying... | 06:32 |
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| entil | I can't seem to upgrade my google account; there's constant complaint about that | 06:47 |
| entil | don't even know where to start debugging but I might as well uninstall it, the hegemony of google is scary enough as it is | 06:47 |
| tanghus | entil: The Force is with you :) | 06:51 |
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| entil | no but this stuff Should Work :P | 07:10 |
| entil | maybe it's because I have a google account but not with gmail, if it ties into the mail system | 07:10 |
| tanghus | Hmm, now the only option for flash in cam is off... | 07:47 |
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| micko_ | now this is weird. tohd is stopped, but jolla takes 10% of battery in 1h | 08:10 |
| tango_ | micko_: in use or in standby? | 08:14 |
| micko_ | standby. I just closed all the apps I had running to make sure it's none of them | 08:17 |
| AL13N | micko_: something android? or is tohd restarted? | 08:17 |
| AL13N | micko_: did you check with ssh? | 08:17 |
| AL13N | and powertop? | 08:18 |
| micko_ | but no help. batteru has gone down 3% more in this 8min | 08:18 |
| micko_ | tohd is stopped. no powertop installed. can I get it with pkcon install powertop? | 08:19 |
| micko_ | looks like not | 08:20 |
| mikma_ | micko_: reboot and check status | 08:21 |
| mikma_ | you'd better mask it too before you stop/disable it | 08:22 |
| mikma_ | what i read, when you stop it and reboot, it'll pop up after the boot. but if you mask + disable it, it'll stay stopped | 08:22 |
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| AL13N | mikma: you can still check if it's running by "systemctl status tohd.service" | 08:27 |
| AL13N | if it gets restarted by something else it'll still show as on | 08:28 |
| mikma | al13n: yeap, that's the reason i went with "reboot and check status" :) | 08:29 |
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| AL13N | micko_: in any case, i've seen people use powertop, maybe mer-tools needs to be enabled for that | 08:30 |
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| micko_ | I do knos how masking and stopping differ. Ii stop it manually every time after reboot because I don't want to have any duct tape solutions when an update comes | 08:40 |
| micko_ | so it's not tohd this time that's consuming the battery. ot's something else | 08:42 |
| AL13N | ^^ iinm ssu ar mer-tools && pkcon install powertop | 08:43 |
| AL13N | i could be wrong | 08:43 |
| AL13N | but, possibly something like that | 08:43 |
| mikma | but the fix/update for nfc-bug is not automatic, you can just start the tohd again before you decide to update | 08:44 |
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| tehdely | howdy sailors | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | morn tehdely | 08:54 |
| ottulo | haha, I didn't notice there was a comic about Jolla in HS | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | and when | 08:55 |
| tehdely | today i learned that i can't use the sailfish browser in landscape mode | 08:55 |
| tehdely | i hope that is fixed soon :) | 08:55 |
| ottulo | Stskeeps: Dec 19 | 08:55 |
| ottulo | http://www.hs.fi/fingerpori/s1305762665674 | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | ah yes | 08:55 |
| tehdely | i think i just used TJC wrong | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | downvote time? | 08:58 |
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| tehdely | ah | 08:59 |
| tehdely | that "convert answer to question comment" button is handy | 08:59 |
| tehdely | it's almost like... i'm not the first person to accidentally answer something when i thought i was commenting | 08:59 |
| tehdely | Stskeeps: pls tell me there are plans for a system voicemail notification | 08:59 |
| tehdely | (pls pretty pls) | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | tehdely: there seems to be but i can't say what update they'd go into | 09:07 |
| AL13N | not marked as roadmap yet? | 09:09 |
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| * covox wishes qt could name things better | 09:25 | |
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| covox | it took me a whole six-pack to grok the difference between qtwayland's qt_extended_output and qt_output_extension | 09:27 |
| covox | ah well, half way there! SDL is receiving rotation change events, now it's just a case of hooking it up to the window-handling code | 09:28 |
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| tango_ | can somebody translate that comic? | 09:39 |
| ShadowJK | it's not funny when explained :) | 09:40 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: still | 09:40 |
| tango_ | at least I know what it says | 09:41 |
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| ShadowJK | "This new "kapula" is quite small compared to its features". Kapula = phone / penis. ... Next day news paper headline: "Engineer Heimo Visa interviewed" .. "Jolla has a small kapula". Jolla also means "who has", so the final punchline has 4 different meanings: "Jolla is a small phone", "Who has a small phone", "Jolla is a small penis", "Who has a small penis". "Interview with engineer Heimo Visa, who has a small penis." | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | Not funny when translated :P | 09:45 |
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| AL13N | ShadowJK: hahaha | 10:05 |
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| AL13N | ShadowJK: well, for people not speaking finnish translating it is funnier than when not translated | 10:06 |
| entil | "jolla on" means "jolla is" or "jolla has", to be precise ;P Finnish is one of the few languages that don't have different verbs for to be and to have | 10:06 |
| entil | but that's funny, yeah :D | 10:07 |
| covox | entil: how does that work with expletives that are also body parts | 10:08 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: lol | 10:09 |
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| ShadowJK | entil; but "You have a" and "you are a" are different | 10:16 |
| AL13N | what? your have a kaputa and you are a kaputa is different? | 10:17 |
| AL13N | ShadowJK: tango_ : ^^ :-D | 10:17 |
| ShadowJK | It's weird, kapula wouldn't work in that context, it'd be associated with a phone or a piece of wood | 10:19 |
| entil | "sinulla on kapula", "sinä olet kapula" sure, but there are corner cases | 10:19 |
| entil | (and afaik the effort to get "omata" as the verb for "to have" has been going on for a century) | 10:19 |
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| ShadowJK | I believe finnish is the only language for which uncyclopedia didn't have to make up stuff, as it's crazy and unbelievable as-is. :P | 10:20 |
| entil | haha | 10:20 |
| entil | it's a wonderful language, if you're into languages | 10:20 |
| entil | if not, you wouldn't care either way ;P | 10:21 |
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| TemeV | ShadowJK: who uses kapula as synonym to penis? | 10:50 |
| Pnuu | jarla :-D | 10:50 |
| walokra | nobody uses jolla as a synonym to penis but you get the joke when you know fingerpori humour | 10:51 |
| TemeV | I think it means krapula (hangover) from the DNA ads | 10:52 |
| TemeV | the ad where guy looks as he has a hangover and complains "I have a terrible 'kapula'" | 10:52 |
| walokra | in the fingerpori strip it means penis | 10:53 |
| Pnuu | walokra: yeah | 10:53 |
| walokra | words are context related | 10:53 |
| Pnuu | yup, it's not a synonym of penis, but it implies "penis" | 10:54 |
| TemeV | walokra: how do you know? Has Jarla him self explained the joke? | 10:54 |
| TemeV | I tought he doesn't usually do that | 10:54 |
| walokra | I don't have to ask jarla as I get the fingerpori humour | 10:55 |
| Pnuu | TemeV: it's self-evident :-) | 10:55 |
| walokra | and having a small hangover isn't funny | 10:55 |
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| Pnuu | and not in the context | 10:55 |
| TemeV | whatever... :) | 10:56 |
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| Pnuu | tanghus: do you need to mark me as translator or something before I can start? | 10:56 |
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| walokra | also karlsson drew jolla joke: http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/sarjis/560/1305753880784?ts=715 | 10:57 |
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| tango_ | walokra: translate | 11:03 |
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| ShadowJK | "Yes, really, Jollas have been wished for in many letters" | 11:04 |
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| walokra | and jolla is a small boat in finnish | 11:05 |
| mikma | some sort of "dingy" | 11:05 |
| suy | Cool, jolla is a boat. :) So when started the sea analogies for the first time? With Mer? | 11:06 |
| mikma | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Rowboat_with_oars.jpg | 11:07 |
| mikma | jolla :D | 11:07 |
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| Pnuu | that's it, small and agile | 11:07 |
| mikma | suy: well, "Mer" is not a complete word. the whole word is "Meri" = sea | 11:08 |
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| mikma | suy: Mer doesn't mean anything, sounds like a name (or short version of Merlin, hehe) | 11:08 |
| suy | mikma: OK. But "mar" means sea in some romance languages :) | 11:09 |
| suy | I read "mer" and I think of sea, for example | 11:09 |
| TemeV | it has something to do with the sea. E.g. word mermaid | 11:09 |
| mikma | temev: oh | 11:09 |
| TemeV | and there is lots of pictures of sea with google search word mer | 11:10 |
| Pnuu | mer is french for sea | 11:10 |
| suy | http://www.english-for-students.com/mar.html | 11:10 |
| mikma | but as you can imagine, jolla is the small boat that gets towed behind larger boats. also known as emergencyboat if the ship is sinking.. so, metaphore for nokia sinking and they getting saved with jolla ;) | 11:11 |
| TemeV | Pnuu: so it seems :) | 11:11 |
| FireFly | Meer is german for sea | 11:12 |
| TemeV | I jsut found the wiktionary page | 11:12 |
| TemeV | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mer | 11:12 |
| FireFly | Hm | 11:12 |
| suy | Luckily they don't named the company "fire extinguisher" :) | 11:12 |
| suy | (for the burning platform thing) | 11:12 |
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| TemeV | I think I've read some life boat analogy though | 11:13 |
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| TemeV | Jolla is a lifeboat for the Nokia engineers at the burning platform | 11:14 |
| ln- | although i think someone denied that etymology having been intentional | 11:15 |
| Waitee | i had a jolla boat like 10 years ago | 11:15 |
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| TemeV | ln-: yeah, I think it was more like "some Finnish word, related to sea, and sounds good internationally" | 11:21 |
| Waitee | jolla is a type of small sailboat for one or two persons | 11:22 |
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| mikma | yeah, for captain and chef | 11:22 |
| Abjectio | TemeV: nice analogy. (Like) | 11:23 |
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| attah | we have a similar word in Swedish, Jolle, and here it can refer to any small boat.. sail or otherwise | 11:23 |
| Abjectio | Same in Norwegian "Jolle" - however it could be a small boat with a sail (1-2 person) or a small boat with "sticks" for rowing. | 11:24 |
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| attah | i think it can even be used if the boat has a motor, provided that the boat is still small enough | 11:26 |
| Waitee | yeah | 11:26 |
| Abjectio | Is there a better "mail" app than the default mail app in jolla - (Connecting to exchange). The default look like a bad html mail reader. | 11:26 |
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| spider-mario | my phone runs 1.0.2.5 but it says that there is an update available to 1.0.2.5… | 11:42 |
| spider-mario | oh, it just stopped doing that. | 11:42 |
| spider-mario | :) | 11:42 |
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| spider-mario | (I told it to update and it opened the store which said “up to date”) | 11:43 |
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| TemeV | spider-mario: my phone does that all the time | 11:49 |
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| AL13N | any app devs think that this answer is a good idea to do? https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description/ | 11:57 |
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| zbenjamin | is there a fix for the google sign off problem? | 12:01 |
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| AL13N | BTW: question, is there someone coming to FOSDEM? | 12:14 |
| AL13N | or a jolla booth, maybe? | 12:15 |
| attah | has anyone had any success with getting at some diagnostics interfaces or similar for the modem? i'd be great if we could peek at some rrc signalling :) | 12:20 |
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| attah | Anyone know what this means: "Available pattern:sailfish-debug-tools-qualcomm-0.6.32-10.34.1.jolla.noarchSailfish Debug Tools Qualcomm"? What's a pattern in this case? | 12:37 |
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| Quu | gg. | 12:46 |
| Quu | phone "randomly" shutdown in middle of call | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Quu: were you in vicinity of tampere or helsinki? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: your device does it so much that it might be good to take a look at it | 12:52 |
| Quu | yes, 290km from helsinki | 12:52 |
| attah | someone tampere'd with Quu's phone? | 12:52 |
| Quu | attah pls such joke | 12:53 |
| Yaniel | haha :D | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: many of us are coming to fosdem but no booth this year, we forgot the deadline | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | no idea if my talk got accepted yet | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: cat /proc/cmdline as devel-su says what? | 12:55 |
| Quu | sec. | 12:56 |
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| attah | anyone know when the api for i2c to TOH will be released? | 13:06 |
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| Quu | yes. | 13:09 |
| attah | quu: was that for me? if so; when? :) | 13:10 |
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| Quu | they will be released | 13:10 |
| Quu | valve-soon. | 13:10 |
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| attah | so any time between tuesday and christmas? | 13:11 |
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| Quu | would not be that accurate, but probably | 13:11 |
| flanag | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time | 13:12 |
| * stephg is still waiting for Episode 3 :( | 13:12 | |
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| flanag | btw, has anyone been able to force the browser to keep more than one page in memory? I already set the viewport to 650 (helped readability massively) and enabled the "reflow text on zoom" feature (but disabled it later because it's too buggy atm) | 13:14 |
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| AL13N | was i gone? | 13:17 |
| AL13N | am i still on ipv6? | 13:17 |
| flanag | probably | 13:17 |
| stephg | flanag where's viewport set? the only variables I see for that are bools | 13:17 |
| AL13N | anyone check if i'm on IPv6 plz? | 13:18 |
| AL13N | i had a server failure | 13:18 |
| flanag | you can find the viewport on about:config and then set it on user.js | 13:18 |
| AL13N | or rather, a little wooden thing where the server stood became wet and crashed, making the server fall down (but still run) | 13:18 |
| AL13N | but i had to switch modem | 13:18 |
| AL13N | can anyone tell my ip? | 13:19 |
| stephg | flanag: all I have are embedlite.azpc.json.viewport and embedlite.azpc.handle.viewport and both are bools | 13:19 |
| stephg | that's why I was asking | 13:19 |
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| flanag | stephg: I'll check it for you | 13:20 |
| stephg | nothing else with 'view' in the name that is an int | 13:20 |
| stephg | thanks | 13:21 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: 15:17 -!- AL13N [~alien@mail.rmail.be] has joined #jollamobile | 13:21 |
| stephg | mail.rmail.be resolves as both v4 and v6 so I don't know | 13:21 |
| pahartik | AL13N: Use "netstat -nap | less" to find out | 13:23 |
| flanag | stephg: it's browser.viewport.desktopWidth | 13:23 |
| stephg | how strange that doesn't show up in the search | 13:23 |
| flanag | have you tried inputting the whole thing? | 13:23 |
| stephg | weird, it's not there :/ | 13:24 |
| stephg | in about:config anyway | 13:24 |
| flanag | yeah, that's weird | 13:24 |
| flanag | try setting it on user.js anyway | 13:25 |
| AL13N | damn, ipv4 | 13:25 |
| stephg | righto, ssh I go | 13:25 |
| AL13N | damn, both tunnels failed after i used the other modem | 13:27 |
| AL13N | can't seem to get them right | 13:27 |
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| AL13N | ok, ipv6 is back | 13:36 |
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| pahartik | AL13N: Very good | 13:38 |
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| flanag | stephg: were you able to set the viewport? | 13:40 |
| stephg | in /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed/user.js? | 13:40 |
| stephg | that the right place? | 13:40 |
| flanag | yeah | 13:40 |
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| stephg | it's set with spaces, but /. still looks god awful, but then it always does :) | 13:40 |
| stephg | oh looks like I set it wrong now that I RFTM | 13:41 |
| flanag | wrong? | 13:41 |
| stephg | user_pref("browser.viewport.desktopWidth", 650 ); | 13:42 |
| stephg | that look ok? | 13:42 |
| flanag | yeah | 13:42 |
| stephg | lets see what it does | 13:42 |
| flanag | why the space behind the value? | 13:42 |
| stephg | no reason | 13:43 |
| flanag | probably doesn't matter | 13:43 |
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| AL13N | pahartik: i forgot that my other modem was on another interface with other ip, so i had to change the source ip for the tunnel interfaces | 13:49 |
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| flanag | stephg: does it work? | 13:52 |
| stephg | not quite sure | 13:53 |
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| nadriel | I just noticed.. I seem to have filters for typos.. Newest update is "jävri" not järvi. :) | 14:03 |
| nadriel | Made me smile, thanks jolla! | 14:04 |
| flanag | it's not a typo | 14:04 |
| nadriel | Saamea? | 14:05 |
| flanag | kyllä | 14:05 |
| Quu | yuup | 14:05 |
| mikma | ya. its not a typo | 14:05 |
| nadriel | It still made me smile. : ( | 14:06 |
| nadriel | Now I'm smiling for whole another reason. | 14:06 |
| Quu | maybe next update will be called "lake bodom" | 14:06 |
| flanag | hah | 14:06 |
| * tango_ thinks he'll start coding a friendfeed client, and call it sailfffish | 14:07 | |
| Stskeeps | that one was already there | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:07 |
| Quu | hja | 14:07 |
| nadriel | "kalatonjärvi" | 14:07 |
| TemeV | lake bodom would sound a good name for unstable version. Like Sid with Debian :) | 14:08 |
| tango_ | how do you say "fishing friend" in finnish? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | TemeV: from recollection, it was our first release candidate, pre-sales. | 14:09 |
| TemeV | tango: kalakaveri | 14:09 |
| Quu | tango_: alcoholic | 14:09 |
| nadriel | http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Ripulinj%C3%A4rvi | 14:09 |
| TemeV | Stskeeps: ok :) | 14:09 |
| tango_ | Quu: lol | 14:09 |
| Quu | nadriel: i prefer "suolivesi" | 14:09 |
| flanag | stephg: use this to test if the viewport setting is working: http://beantin.se/post/49715174493/what-is-my-viewport-size-pixel-density | 14:09 |
| TemeV | there is also suolijärvi | 14:10 |
| flanag | it says "The viewport size, as reported by your browser is: 650 × 1097" on my jolla after I changed it | 14:10 |
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| nadriel | TemeV, I've been to suolijärvi, nice place. | 14:11 |
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| flanag | has anyone else changed the viewport on the jolla browser? I find it weird that the setting isn't showing on stephg's about:config | 14:12 |
| flanag | it works fine for me | 14:12 |
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| mikma | so, whats the news with sailfish in android phones | 14:21 |
| flanag | no news as far as I know | 14:22 |
| Quu | nothing new | 14:22 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | Hi, I've been trying to figure out the QML files relating to the virtual keyboard (/usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/), but I can't figure out the following: Is it possible to prevent the default InputHandler from being switched out for an Xt9InputHandler? Alternatively, can you associate a custom layout with a custom InputHandler, much like zh_cn_pinyin is associated with Xt9CpInputHandler? | 14:42 |
| BeholdMyGlory | I simply can't understand what code is actually switching out the input handler. I thought it might be something in libjollakeyboardplugin.so or libjollaxt9plugin.so, but when running 'strings' neither seems to yield any references to Xt9InputHandler | 14:43 |
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| AL13N | BeholdMyGlory: perhaps you could ask in devel@lists.sailfishos.org i think more develop-y people are there | 15:02 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Ah, right, that's a good idea, thanks | 15:02 |
| vatte | any idea about random shutdowns? Started happening a couple of days ago, just now it shutdown when I was out, and it couldn't turn back on (shutdown immediately after jolla logo) until I connected it to charger | 15:05 |
| vatte | this + being affected by sim card disconnecting makes me afraid I have a maanantaikappale | 15:05 |
| AL13N | ? | 15:06 |
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| mikma | vatte: apparently people are having that issue, according to forums. some people have got it fixed with factory reset + updating to 1.0.2.5 | 15:06 |
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| vatte | AL13N: maanantaikappale? | 15:06 |
| mikma | vatte: and the sim card disconnecting is also covered | 15:06 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: vatte seems to have similar problems | 15:07 |
| vatte | mikma: ok, I guess I need to do that then. Do you know if factory reset will erase contacts? | 15:07 |
| mikma | vatte: most likely will do so | 15:08 |
| AL13N | vatte: https://together.jolla.com/question/3569/unexpected-reboot/ | 15:08 |
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| vatte | thanks, very helpful. If it fixes sim card problems as well, I'll be a happy camper | 15:08 |
| Turski | i've having unexpected shutdowns too | 15:09 |
| vatte | problems might have something to do with hax also, although I only have play store and toh-service... | 15:09 |
| mikma | vatte: that's propably another thing. you most likely need to carve the sim card and duct tape it :D | 15:09 |
| Turski | vatte: do you use mitakuuluu? | 15:10 |
| vatte | mikma: typical | 15:10 |
| vatte | Turski: nope | 15:10 |
| Turski | ok, it's not that then | 15:10 |
| mikma | vatte: i'm looking for the thread, moment | 15:10 |
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| Turski | my phone once shut down when i was starting mitakuuluu in a basement where there was no signal... so i was just wondering if it was some bug triggered by whatsapp in bad signal area... | 15:11 |
| AL13N | vatte: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/ | 15:11 |
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| mikma | vatte: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1403813&postcount=66 | 15:14 |
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| stephg | flanag: back now | 15:15 |
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| Quu | vatte: random shutdowns got nothing to do with simcard btw | 15:16 |
| flanag | stephg: use this to test if the viewport setting is working: http://beantin.se/post/49715174493/what-is-my-viewport-size-pixel-density | 15:16 |
| stephg | yeah just done that | 15:16 |
| flanag | ah ok | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | sec, i just got in the door | 15:16 |
| stephg | 650x1097 | 15:16 |
| vatte | thanks for the help guys, I guess I'll try to fix the random shutdowns with the factory reset | 15:16 |
| flanag | so it's working correctly, great | 15:17 |
| stephg | cool | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: mail your /var/log/systemboot.log to me at carsten.munk@jolla.com | 15:17 |
| stephg | still absolutely no idea why it's not in about:config if yours is | 15:17 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: ok, will do! | 15:17 |
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| stephg | flanag: actually it's there now | 15:17 |
| stephg | I'd have thought any gecko browser should display all the variables even if they're default? | 15:18 |
| flanag | if it doesn't display all values (that are default) I might actually try some values that I can't find through the browser in about:config | 15:19 |
| mikma | vatte: have a look at the whole thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92243&page=7 the sim card disconnecting is covered quite well in there | 15:20 |
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| mikma | vatte: and the duct tape solutions ;I | 15:20 |
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| AL13N | people most often place a bit of paper above the gold triangle to let the triangle be the same height as the sim itself | 15:22 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/1358/sim-card-connection-to-phone-lost-easily/ <-- perhaps some kind of official answer could be useful, it seems some people are awaiting answer | 15:23 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: if people do ship it back, perhaps a little extra solder on the skewed side of the gold triangle could do the trick | 15:23 |
| AL13N | or bending it a bit as someone suggested | 15:24 |
| stephg | AL13N do you know if people have this issue in regular usage or only when pressing on the TOC? | 15:24 |
| AL13N | afair, it seems that it happens mostly with SIM's who have rounded edges | 15:25 |
| AL13N | or sometimes if the sim is a bit slimmer | 15:25 |
| AL13N | the gold triangle goes above when a little pressure is applied | 15:25 |
| stephg | well there is variance in SIM size I'm sure, but do they notice it all the time or only when 'squeezing'. I asked this on TJC but noone answered | 15:25 |
| stephg | i.e the sim reader and assembly may be within tolerance and all that's needed are stiffer TOHs | 15:26 |
| AL13N | if the gold triangle would bend below the last mm, it might work | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: it's being looked into, but people want a concrete information | 15:26 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: yes, i can imagine | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: and that can first be done when it's assessed what's going on | 15:26 |
| AL13N | just letting you know in case you didn't | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | i read together.* like the devil reads the bible | 15:27 |
| AL13N | seems people keep "answering" and thus it goes away from the unanswered pile | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | plus, it's weekend.. | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:27 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: so, none at all? :D | 15:27 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: np | 15:27 |
| AL13N | Quu: the devil needs to know the little print | 15:27 |
| vatte | mikma: it always comes down to duct tape, doesn't it! | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | and a long weekend, too | 15:28 |
| vatte | on a positive note: I'm getting annoyed with my ipad because it doesn't turn on with a double tap | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | because of finn need for vitamin D, many people go away for holiday :P | 15:28 |
| AL13N | but this seems a bad tolerance on the card holder manufacturer | 15:28 |
| Quu | Stskeeps wants the D | 15:28 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: sent you the log file | 15:29 |
| AL13N | the gold triangle is a bit too high, though it would be better if that gold triangle would be thicker (just 0.5 mm would probably do the trick) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: yes, thanks | 15:29 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: what if someone for holiday goes to Lapland? | 15:29 |
| AL13N | when i get my jolla, i'll go study the problem | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: never happened | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:29 |
| fk_lx | :-P | 15:29 |
| AL13N | :-) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: thanks - are you having reboots or shutdowns in your perspective? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | ie "power loss" and you have to press button again | 15:29 |
| vatte | shutdowns, and cold-hearted ones | 15:30 |
| vatte | so power loss, yes | 15:30 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 15:30 |
| vatte | I'm going to try charging it to full before reset, I'm thinking this didn't really happen when toh-service was on, but more now that the battery lasts three days | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: what battery levels did you have and what were you doing at the time of the shutdown? | 15:32 |
| vatte | it has been really frequent yesterday and today, battery level was 80 yesterday morning and around 50 when I brought Jolla to charger. But it doesn't seem to happen when connected to the charger | 15:33 |
| vatte | happened here and there, at least while browsing web, playing android games | 15:34 |
| AL13N | vatte: is your phone hacked and used as a bitcoint miner? :-) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: okay, so while in while | 15:34 |
| vatte | AL13N: i did the standard "rm -rf /" to start the bitcoin miner of course! wouldn't even really call it a hack | 15:35 |
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| AL13N | :-) | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | vatte: when was it manufacturered? 11 or 12 of 2013? | 15:37 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: iirc mine is 11 | 15:37 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: 11,2013 | 15:38 |
| stephg | stupid question: where's the date of manufacture? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | under battery | 15:39 |
| vatte | I happened to have the box right in front of me :) | 15:39 |
| stephg | ah | 15:39 |
| stephg | safe to take the battery out whilst on charger? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | no | 15:40 |
| Turski | stephg: seems to shutdown after a while... | 15:40 |
| stephg | okies, I turn it off then :) | 15:40 |
| fk_lx | let's everyone puts on Twitter his battery production date :-P | 15:40 |
| AL13N | oh plz | 15:40 |
| AL13N | fk_lx: btw: it's phone manufacture not battery manufacture | 15:41 |
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| AL13N | anyway, since i don't have my jolla yet, it's safe to say it'll likely not be 11,2013 | 15:41 |
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| pdanek | AL13N: no Jolla yet? :O | 15:44 |
| Pnuu | 17:29 < fk_lx> Stskeeps: what if someone for holiday goes to Lapland? | 15:46 |
| Pnuu | I've been in Ivalo on holiday since Dec 15th :-) | 15:46 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: ^ | 15:46 |
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| AL13N | pdanek: should be around mid-jan | 15:47 |
| Morpog_ | how embarassing, finally I got some days free and I get a cold :( | 15:47 |
| AL13N | together has some odd caching issues, btw | 15:47 |
| fk_lx | Morpog_: :-( | 15:47 |
| mikma | vatte: yeah. that's why we call it jesustape :) | 15:48 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_: welcome 2 the club. I was sick almost my entire vacation | 15:58 |
| zbenjamin | sucks | 15:59 |
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| Morpog_ | yeah :( | 16:01 |
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| Morpog_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/10687/video-settings-in-camera-app/ | 16:03 |
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| AL13N | Morpog_ you should tag it | 16:26 |
| Morpog_ | oh true, forgot it | 16:27 |
| AL13N | anyone think security and openness is important? plz vote these: https://together.jolla.com/question/1602/harbour-add-whats-new-section-to-app-description#10564 & https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model#9951 | 16:29 |
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| vatte | any way to recalibrate battery? | 16:35 |
| vatte | I've been charging for over an hour, and the % is going down :D | 16:35 |
| Pnuu | tanghus: ping | 16:35 |
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| vatte | probably this has something to do with the random shutdowns - voltage drops | 16:35 |
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| Abjectio | Is there a possible way to crypt the sd card? (truecrypt?) | 16:39 |
| Abjectio | (encrypt the sd card) | 16:39 |
| stephg | Abjectio probably several ways | 16:40 |
| stephg | just need to check luks et al are in mer | 16:40 |
| Abjectio | only through cmd line - not in the gui? | 16:41 |
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| Morpog_ | hmmm, QML drives me crazy :) Can't get it to work like I want :( | 16:46 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/201401051743527sabm.png | 16:46 |
| Morpog_ | thats not the landscape mode I wanted :D | 16:46 |
| fk_lx | heeh :-) | 16:46 |
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| valdur55 | Morpog_: how did you do that? | 16:52 |
| Morpog_ | edited BrowserPage.qml | 16:52 |
| valdur55 | ok, only webbrowser :d | 16:52 |
| Morpog_ | well, guess you can do that on any app | 16:53 |
| valdur55 | Maybe you should do lew layout for landscape :) | 16:53 |
| Morpog_ | well, it should extend to it auto, dunno why it doesn't | 16:54 |
| valdur55 | watch feed app's qml... | 16:54 |
| Morpog_ | QML is not really my strength :D | 16:54 |
| valdur55 | don't remember the name... | 16:54 |
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| valdur55 | it have landscape mode :) | 16:55 |
| Turski | btw, where are the browser bookmarks stored? | 16:55 |
| stephg | Turski probably in some json file in .mozilla/mozembed? | 16:56 |
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| valdur55 | aww. found interesting file: /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/N950.conf ... , can anyone share real jolla device /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/ content? | 16:59 |
| Turski | stephg: can't find... | 17:00 |
| Raim | valdur55: does not exist | 17:01 |
| stephg | Turski was worth a guess | 17:01 |
| valdur55 | ok. no /usr/share/meegotouch folder :) nice | 17:01 |
| valdur55 | or but what /usr/share/*/targets say ? | 17:02 |
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| Raim | valdur55: No such file or directory | 17:04 |
| valdur55 | Morpog_: /usr/share/harbour-tidings/qml there are newsreader app qml file | 17:05 |
| Morpog_ | yeah, I have looked through it, nothing to find for me :( | 17:05 |
| valdur55 | where is webbrowser file ? :D | 17:06 |
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| Turski | stephg: ah, found it | 17:08 |
| Turski | stephg: it's ~/.local/share/org.sailfishos/sailfish-browser/bookmarks.json | 17:09 |
| stephg | ah fair enough | 17:10 |
| Abjectio | status on my uptime : 4 days 2h. - 45% batt.left. - this after disabling nfc. ^^ geeee... | 17:10 |
| Morpog_ | valdur55, /usr/share/sailfish-browser/pages/ | 17:11 |
| mikma | abjectio: not bad at all, quite good actually | 17:11 |
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| Abjectio | mikma: yeah - compared to my iOS device. yes. Not on "heavy" usage... will try that later... but yes. Tells me that this (SailfishOS/GNU/Linux) is the future for mobile devices. | 17:12 |
| Abjectio | strength is in the community - the openness/transparancy. | 17:13 |
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| valdur55 | Morpog_: ok. thanks... no can do... | 17:14 |
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| Morpog_ | ah screw it, I wait for feature update :D | 17:16 |
| valdur55 | yea. it is one way for fixing soution :D | 17:16 |
| valdur55 | irw! fix problem... | 17:17 |
| valdur55 | is qt5/qml/Qt/labs/components/native/Window.qml in use? | 17:17 |
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| mikma | i'd love to see how ubuntu compares to sailfish when its ready to release | 17:18 |
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| flanag | any idea how I could change the homepage from jolla.com to my own? about:config doesn't have the usual firefox options for that, the jolla.com is "forced" somehow | 17:19 |
| mikma | flanag: use optional browser for that feature | 17:19 |
| flanag | mikma: you mean another browser? | 17:20 |
| Sarvi | is there a way to copy my contacts into a .vcf-file or a sim-card? i've been thinking about resetting the device, but i need to copy my contacts first, as a few of the numbers are new and are only stored on my phone atm. can i use the backup feature for that? | 17:20 |
| mikma | flanag: yeah. install opera or dolphin | 17:20 |
| stephg | Sarvi yeah the backup seems sensible | 17:21 |
| stephg | I'd check that it's generating sane things before then doing the reset | 17:21 |
| flanag | mikma: I have naked browser installed but the touch input in android apps is just too laggy for me | 17:21 |
| stephg | and/or backing up the home directory with rsync if you have developer tools installed... | 17:21 |
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| flanag | btw, is anyone else annoyed that the touch input is so laggy in android apps? | 17:22 |
| artemma | flanag: I find Instagram to overscroll quite a lot often (too late touch input me thinks). Annoying, but I think it's more about general slowness than specifically abt touch | 17:23 |
| flanag | artemma: when using a multitouch tester app, you can see that the touch input lags behind a lot and then the lagginess (general slowness) of scrolling is another problem | 17:24 |
| mikma | well, i guess the VM ain't perfect | 17:26 |
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| flanag | yeah, it's a shame | 17:27 |
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| flanag | would be nice to know if it's something that can be fixed/improved or something that we just have to deal with | 17:27 |
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| pdanek1 | Who wanted the N900? I forgot the nickname. | 18:10 |
| * pahartik has "MFG Date: 12,2013" printed on cardboard box | 18:13 | |
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| valdur55 | pahartik: :) interesting... | 18:40 |
| valdur55 | pahartik: oops. wrong. | 18:40 |
| valdur55 | pdanek: interesting... | 18:40 |
| pdanek | valdur55: what's interesting? | 18:40 |
| valdur55 | n900 giveaway : | 18:47 |
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| pdanek | valdur55: its display is broken | 18:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: i was first | 19:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 19:00 |
| pdanek | cool | 19:00 |
| pdanek | what was the country? | 19:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | it can be luxenburg or | 19:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | israel | 19:00 |
| pdanek | ok let me check | 19:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | check how much is post | 19:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll pay back :) | 19:01 |
| pdanek | seems there is no difference | 19:02 |
| pdanek | between postage fee | 19:02 |
| pdanek | Lux and Isreal | 19:02 |
| pdanek | 56 zloty for economic or 70 zloty priority | 19:02 |
| pdanek | and +1 zloty if I declare price | 19:03 |
| pdanek | so for economic | 19:03 |
| pdanek | let's say 15 eur | 19:04 |
| pdanek | and bank transfer costs the same, so it will be really expensive for you to pay back | 19:05 |
| pdanek | I mean international bank transfer | 19:05 |
| pdanek | doesn't it? | 19:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: paypal? | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | 20 euro let's say | 19:09 |
| pdanek | let me go to shop and then we will figure out | 19:09 |
| pdanek | because I recently deleted my paypal account | 19:09 |
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| pdanek | but I'm going to recreate it anyway, probably | 19:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 19:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: ping | 19:12 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, o/ | 19:17 |
| faenil | just back home | 19:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: me too | 19:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i rethouhgt and i think you partly right adn sorry if i got you | 19:22 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, np, glad you can see the difference now | 19:23 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, and I agree that it's not ideal, at the moment | 19:23 |
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| zbenjamin | is there a way trigger a contacts sync? | 19:30 |
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| stephg | oh man I love my jolla :) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 19:37 |
| stephg | just functional ssh for scp even though it's next door and not plugged in | 19:38 |
| stephg | it's the little things | 19:38 |
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| stephg | ^ that's positive btw, not being sarcastic! it's great :) | 19:38 |
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| kelvan | stephg: with reverse ssh it's even cooler ;) sms activated reverse ssh connection would be a nice "app" | 20:05 |
| stephg | kelvan a reverse port forwarded tunnel you mean? | 20:06 |
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| kelvan | stephg: maybe, no idea what the correct name is (ssh -R) | 20:08 |
| stephg | as opposed to -L? | 20:08 |
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| stephg | then yeah we're talking about the same thing :) | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | splitville on freenode tonight | 20:08 |
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| stephg | so it seems | 20:09 |
| * stephg thought it was xchat being crap but apparently not! | 20:09 | |
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| stephg | splitville: n. town. population: some of us | 20:10 |
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| ZogG_laptop | tanghus: you got russian translation | 20:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | i would update it after i'll try it on devie ce (would take a lot of time) | 20:13 |
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| ZogG_laptop | haha | 20:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | why would u use xchat | 20:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's deprecated and unmainained | 20:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is fork | 20:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | http://hexchat.github.io/ | 20:25 |
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| DrainBamaged | ZogG_lap1op - It suits me, we're both depreciated and unmaintained. Perfect :) | 20:34 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | DrainBamaged: ce nickname :P | 20:38 |
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| DrainBamaged | ce? | 20:38 |
| DrainBamaged | ahem, ce? (before mass join) | 20:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | ce? | 20:38 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | oh | 20:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | nice | 20:38 |
| DrainBamaged | You said 'ce nickname' | 20:38 |
| ZogG_lap1op | nice* | 20:38 |
| DrainBamaged | Ooh, thank you | 20:39 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | s/ce/nice/ | 20:39 |
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| DrainBamaged | Gotcha | 20:39 |
| ZogG_lap1op | and i found out about hexchat from gentoo news as they delete ebuild it and suggested to switch to hex | 20:39 |
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| DrainBamaged | That looks good, I've downloaded it. Will look into, I couldn't hack another client, did my brains in | 20:40 |
| DrainBamaged | As it's an XChat base (and I'm awkward in my tastes), it looks promising | 20:41 |
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| Quu | irssi master race | 20:41 |
| DrainBamaged | Yur, that's a whole new level I'm not ready for | 20:41 |
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| petantik | weechat! | 21:09 |
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| tanghus | ZogG_lap1op: Great! Thanks a bunch :) | 21:15 |
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| cvp | hello | 21:20 |
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| Quu | gief beer | 21:21 |
| cvp | beer@c-base | 21:21 |
| stephg | well what are folks using as irc clients these days | 21:22 |
| Pnuu | tanghus: do you need to do something before I can translate? | 21:22 |
| flanag | hexchat | 21:22 |
| Pnuu | stephg: irssi <3 | 21:22 |
| stephg | beyond that | 21:22 |
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| stephg | Pnuu ideally in a qui toolkit of one sort or another ;) | 21:22 |
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| Quu | irssi is the only proper irc client | 21:23 |
| Pnuu | affirmative | 21:23 |
| attah | pnuu: if the language is there and you have set up your profile to indicate that you know the language.. you *should* just be able to start working | 21:23 |
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| mikma_ | stephg: ssh + irssi | 21:25 |
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| Pnuu | attah: oh, I need that | 21:25 |
| attah | Pnuu: that's all i recall doing anyway.. this was the first time i used transifex | 21:26 |
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| attah | so i'm by no means an expert | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | how's the finnish translation on the device in general, ooi? | 21:26 |
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| suy | stephg: quassel FTW :) | 21:27 |
| suy | And recently I discovered communi... which has a sailfish version :P | 21:28 |
| stephg | suy now we're talking ;) | 21:29 |
| Pnuu | "To translate you need to be logged in and a member of the Finnish (Finland) team" | 21:30 |
| Pnuu | fsck it :-P | 21:30 |
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| Pnuu | -> sleep | 21:31 |
| ln- | Stskeeps: the finnish translation is well made. | 21:31 |
| attah | oh.. okay.. that might be because you didn't request it.. so in that case tanghus must do something | 21:31 |
| tanghus | Pnuu, attah: sry, missed the convo. | 21:33 |
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| cvp | every day i get i message that a Update is aviable, but if i go in, there say its actuelly installed :D ... is it normal ? :D | 21:34 |
| Quu | cvp: yes | 21:34 |
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| Quu | i got the message 2 times today | 21:34 |
| tanghus | Pnuu: I think you just request the language, then I'll get a notif and approve | 21:34 |
| cvp | kk ;) hav thinking, that i do some wrong with the update last month | 21:34 |
| vatte | cvp: I don't have the same problem | 21:35 |
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| cvp | hmmm | 21:36 |
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| valdur55 | ssu set relase XXX maybe helps... | 21:37 |
| vatte | Stskeeps: I'm almost definitely sure that my shutdown problem has to do with wrong battery level indication. So the phone tries to be on even with low battery (thinking there is 50%+), but then it sometimes experiences a voltage drop and turns off. With a real full charge the problem seems to disappear. | 21:38 |
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| Quu | vatte: that sounds pretty much what some people said week ago | 21:39 |
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| AL13N | vatte: do you have 1.0.2.5? | 21:39 |
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| mikma_ | oh wow. people are having odd problems with jolla according to together.jolla.com | 21:39 |
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| mikma_ | TOH: "Problem with store. This The Other half is not working." | 21:40 |
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| Stskeeps | mikma_: URL? | 21:40 |
| vatte | AL13N: yep | 21:40 |
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| AL13N | mikma_: i don't get it, the store fails due to TOH failing? | 21:40 |
| mikma_ | stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/10857/toh-problem-with-store-this-the-other-half-is-not-working/ | 21:40 |
| vatte | Quu: ok, thankfully it's a smaller problem than I expected | 21:41 |
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| mikma_ | al13n: apparently yeah | 21:41 |
| onurati | vatte: let just hope that it is not HW error | 21:41 |
| onurati | can you reproduce the voltage drop case? | 21:41 |
| Quu | vatte: Stskeeps'n'peoples are looking into it ;) | 21:41 |
| valdur55 | ssu re 1.0.1.12 | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | onurati: voltage drop should not be possible with a fresh battery. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | onurati: fresh = 1 month old. | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: ughhh | 21:42 |
| valdur55 | just a exmple.. | 21:42 |
| AL13N | mikma_: maybe they fiddled with the NFC tag? it _is_ open, perhaps it doesn't ahve the uid anymore? | 21:43 |
| vatte | onurati: well now it's fully charged. I'll see if it starts happening again around wednesday if I don't charge it until then | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | vatte: *#*#310#*#* and there's some battery related tests/measurements | 21:43 |
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| AL13N | now this is a weird issue: https://together.jolla.com/question/10846/zombie-icon-of-android-app-on-lock-screen/ | 21:46 |
| cvp | is it possible to read the NFS.Tags from TOH and change sone think? | 21:46 |
| stephg | cvp believe so, yes | 21:47 |
| AL13N | some people were doing stuff with it | 21:47 |
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| vatte | Stskeeps: cool, I'll look if the voltage levels are abnormal when/if the problem reappears | 21:48 |
| Quu | would be neat to have the voltages logged into somewhere | 21:49 |
| onurati | as far as i see, it shows the current level, not the voltage | 21:49 |
| onurati | ah ok now i see | 21:49 |
| onurati | Quu: exactly. however if a sudden voltage drop causes a reset, i am afraid it will not be logged | 21:51 |
| Quu | maybe | 21:51 |
| Quu | probably | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | can somebody make up a logging tool with /sys/class/power_supply/battery data? | 21:51 |
| Quu | but you would see the levels before and after :) | 21:52 |
| Quu | that might hint something | 21:52 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: does mer have sysklogd/rsyslog etc? | 21:52 |
| stephg | even if it didn't it's a quick thing to knock up shirley | 21:53 |
| stephg | (and obvs the trick is in the analysis) | 21:53 |
| ln- | ok wtf... i'm watching Netflix, listening to it through N9 headphones. the sound is distorted somehow, some frequencies filtered out because i hear music but hardly any speech. if i press down the earphone button, i start hearing the speech as well. | 21:55 |
| stephg | ln-: try different headphones? | 21:55 |
| onurati | btw, logging should be as easy as reading sysfs, e.g. cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_now | 21:56 |
| stephg | onurati yeah but how/where to put it | 21:56 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: actually, it would even be better if the logs were sent remotely, to rule out sync issues while it shuts down | 21:56 |
| attah | In-: It's not the same pinout. .sound is passed through the mic for you there.. and it acts as a filter | 21:57 |
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| AL13N | though i'm afraid systemd journal, doesn't have remote syslogging support | 21:57 |
| attah | In-: (mic is in series with the headphones to be clear) | 21:58 |
| attah | or is it ln-? lol | 21:58 |
| ln- | attah: alright, that explains a lot. still it doesn't explain why did the sound work fine even with those earphones at first. | 22:00 |
| cvp | how i get root over ssh? i connect with nemo + pw, want install zypper | 22:00 |
| ln- | stephg: with sennheiser the sound sounds good. | 22:00 |
| attah | cvp: devel-su? | 22:01 |
| cvp | lol | 22:02 |
| cvp | attah thanks | 22:02 |
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| attah | cvp: np ^^ | 22:02 |
| onurati | stephg: the best log would be a "reason for last shutdown/reset log", I guess. I don't know whether such is alredy available somewhere. | 22:02 |
| onurati | such info* | 22:03 |
| Quu | wow | 22:03 |
| Quu | such info | 22:03 |
| attah | quu: i was googling to get that right just now! | 22:03 |
| attah | but you beat me to it | 22:03 |
| stephg | well onurati there's logging and there's logging ;) | 22:04 |
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| mikma_ | so i know that you can change ambiance, but why does it only have volume setting and not ie. system volume +ha | 22:08 |
| mikma_ | ptic feed | 22:08 |
| Quu | mikma_: favorite it | 22:08 |
| Quu | if its default ones, you cant edit anything | 22:08 |
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| mfulz | did someone try to use openvpn with connman? | 22:09 |
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| mfulz | this script is used by connman to setup ip + routes but it seems to do nothing /usr/lib/connman/scripts/openvpn-script :( | 22:10 |
| mikma_ | quu: i have two favored now | 22:10 |
| valdur55 | DDD | 22:10 |
| stephg | mfulz saw your mail to devel | 22:11 |
| mfulz | did you found something out? | 22:11 |
| mfulz | the script is some binary and seems to just do nothing :/ | 22:11 |
| stephg | it is a binary and there doesn't seem to be much in it no | 22:12 |
| stephg | it tries to do something and fails ;) | 22:12 |
| mikma_ | quu: and only volume setting available | 22:12 |
| mfulz | looks so :) | 22:12 |
| mfulz | do you know if plain connman is used? | 22:13 |
| mfulz | because then I'll try to send them a bug report | 22:13 |
| stephg | don't know, sorry :( | 22:13 |
| Quu | mikma_: ok, they are default ones then, create one and you have more settings | 22:13 |
| stephg | mfulz: that file is from the connman package | 22:13 |
| stephg | connman-1.15+git23-1.9.1.src.rpm | 22:14 |
| cvp | good night @ all :) | 22:14 |
| mfulz | ok thanks | 22:14 |
| stephg | I'd guess that's in mer so the source should be available | 22:14 |
| mfulz | hm perhaps I should ask some mer guys first | 22:14 |
| stephg | ^^ that RPM is the source but yeah | 22:14 |
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| stephg | gnight cvp | 22:15 |
| mfulz | hm 1.15 there's already 1.20 | 22:15 |
| mikma_ | quu: ok. more options but none for haptic etc | 22:17 |
| * pahartik did still not get any network traffic through "bnep0", even tried with IPv4 | 22:17 | |
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| onurati | stephg: /var/log/faillog seems to store some info related to shutdown, etc. | 22:26 |
| onurati | e.g. mine reads 20140105_052635 Shutdown: Battery empty | 22:26 |
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| Quu | mikma_: ok, that might be global setting then? dunno | 22:27 |
| mikma_ | quu: unfortunately seems like it | 22:27 |
| stephg | onurati that's a curious place for power status to be | 22:28 |
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| Quu | mikma_: maybe it changes with some update :) | 22:28 |
| stephg | onurati I wonder how it ended up there | 22:29 |
| onurati | it would be interesting to see whether vatte has anything interesting in that file | 22:29 |
| stephg | definitely | 22:29 |
| onurati | stephg: no idea, but why wouldn't it make sense? | 22:30 |
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| mikma_ | quu: we can hope so because that would be the ultimate power of ambiences | 22:30 |
| Quu | what file? | 22:30 |
| stephg | faillog is part of the auth mechanisms/logging | 22:31 |
| onurati | Quu: faillog | 22:31 |
| Quu | oh | 22:31 |
| Quu | hmm, leme check what i have there | 22:31 |
| onurati | stephg: true | 22:31 |
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| Quu | ok, its empty | 22:32 |
| stephg | Quu fwiw I have nothing | 22:32 |
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| Quu | mm'kay | 22:32 |
| Quu | i do have random shutdowns and all that neat stuff | 22:33 |
| Quu | pretty #unlike | 22:33 |
| onurati | hmm | 22:33 |
| mikma_ | oooh nice. black image as theme :) | 22:35 |
| zbenjamin | hmm syncing my google contacts is one way right? So if i change some contact in googles webinterface i should get it on my phone? | 22:35 |
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| onurati | Quu: Most shutdowns i know about from the past are RF related. So if I had random shutdowns, I'd have a look at the mobile network settings. | 22:43 |
| onurati | use 2G only, disable auto roaming, etc. just for debugging purposes | 22:44 |
| Quu | thats how i have had them from the start | 22:45 |
| Quu | tried with WLAN on/off, GPS on/off | 22:45 |
| Quu | no change, randomly shuts down | 22:45 |
| onurati | have you checked the battery contacts then? | 22:45 |
| Quu | yes | 22:45 |
| stephg | Quu and it's stationary when it shuts down? | 22:46 |
| Quu | depends | 22:46 |
| stephg | oh you've had both? | 22:46 |
| Quu | yes. | 22:46 |
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| Quu | atleast 2 have happened on the table | 22:49 |
| Quu | tapped screen on, did something, ~5sec idle and it dies | 22:49 |
| stephg | well at least it's not the nexus 4 bug that has it leaving the table on its own | 22:49 |
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| Quu | today had call with whatever-speaker-on and it died | 22:49 |
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| Quu | and nothing saves on any log (i have searched trough) | 22:52 |
| onurati | though case | 22:54 |
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| onurati | if possible, i'd also leave the charger connected and see if it ever shuts down then | 22:54 |
| sarkh | Quu, I have had exactly similar issues than you, just went through irc logs of this channel and found this https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ Someone has solved this by leaving out the battery for 10 mins, just trying it by myself.. | 22:54 |
| stephg | even in a mobile device the power going means that the chance of something making it to storage is slim | 22:55 |
| Quu | sarkh: no diffrence. | 22:55 |
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| stephg | if it were computer and had a wired connection you could try that way | 22:55 |
| stephg | but you probably don't want to go futzing with the USB | 22:55 |
| Quu | also, if its battery/HW problem, factory reset wont do shit | 22:56 |
| Quu | if its SW thingie, factory reset might not do anything | 22:56 |
| stephg | yep | 22:57 |
| stephg | do you know anyone else with a jolla nearby? | 22:57 |
| stephg | :) | 22:57 |
| Quu | sadly, no | 22:57 |
| Quu | peoples said to look someone from same city to swap batteries | 22:57 |
| stephg | isn't a bad idea for diagnosis at least | 22:58 |
| sarkh | I have tried factory reset both trough GUI and USB/telnet, no difference there | 22:58 |
| Quu | sarkh: ok, kinda knew that :) | 22:58 |
| Quu | some jolla-dudes said there were similar problems with prototypes and those were battery problems | 22:59 |
| Quu | i dont know | 22:59 |
| onurati | just hope so, would be the easiest thing to replace | 23:00 |
| Quu | indeed :) | 23:00 |
| sarkh | One strange thing I have noticed when I have tried to debug this over wifi and USB, I couldn't never reproduce the shutdown when plugged into USB, so might be something power/battery related | 23:02 |
| Quu | people are pretty sure it has something to do with battery | 23:03 |
| Quu | someone even said phone requires more juice than what battery can give | 23:04 |
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| stephg | Quu I kinda doubt that last one | 23:05 |
| stephg | anyway is bed time | 23:06 |
| stephg | gnight folks | 23:06 |
| Quu | well, maybe the battery gives wrong info about levels and that fucks thingies | 23:06 |
| Quu | i have no idea | 23:06 |
| stephg | Quu that however is entirely possible | 23:06 |
| stephg | anyway laters | 23:07 |
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| valdur55 | what will happen when you run this command: /usr/bin/tonegend -b 100 -r 20 --volume-dtmf 15 | 23:22 |
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| sarkh | First random shutdown reached now in 1h after keeping the battery out for 10 mins, so no difference there for me neither | 23:42 |
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| Quu | i kinda told ye so :) | 23:59 |
| Quu | but yeah, it doesnt affect much | 23:59 |
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