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| pdanek | hmm, crowdfunded keyboard-half for Jolla | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | There is - or you are wondering about one? | 02:19 |
| covox | entil: nice | 02:22 |
| covox | does the jolla cope well with years worth of SMSes? | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pdanek: Also - don't make it look like an existing keyboard! | 02:23 |
| pdanek | ah no... sorry, just wondering :) | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:29 |
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| tehdely | is it possible to add custom APNs in sailfish? | 02:41 |
| tehdely | and will they be available to android apps? | 02:41 |
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| covox | tehdely: I was able to change mine when it was autodetected wrong | 02:44 |
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| boilerkim | Anyone here have a Jolla in the US? | 03:00 |
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| tehdely | boilerkim: i do | 03:05 |
| tehdely | and there's a few others | 03:05 |
| boilerkim | I just ordered one on eBay :) | 03:05 |
| tehdely | just fyi, you won't get 3G or 4G service | 03:05 |
| ljp | I am in th eUS currently | 03:05 |
| tehdely | i hope that's cool | 03:05 |
| boilerkim | Yes I know, only 2g | 03:05 |
| boilerkim | How did you guys get it in the US? | 03:06 |
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| tehdely | i had a friend in tampere order one for me, and ship it | 03:09 |
| tehdely | and at least one guy got it because he works for jolla :) | 03:09 |
| boilerkim | nice!! | 03:11 |
| ljp | I travelled here for the holidays | 03:14 |
| boilerkim | I might be frustrated with being able to only use 2g but I can't help it. I really really am excited for Jolla and want to use it. | 03:15 |
| ljp | ya, the limited bands here are a bummer, but not a show stopper for me. although I can't wait to get back home | 03:16 |
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| pdanek | oh apparently there are Android apps in Jolla store too, I didn't know | 03:28 |
| pdanek | they should somehow distinguish them, in description | 03:28 |
| tango_ | pdanek: yeah, many people remarked that | 03:29 |
| tango_ | I propose a small icon (android/sailfish) | 03:29 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:42 |
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| tehdely | it's still friday here, for 14 more minutes | 07:46 |
| tehdely | how's the future? | 07:46 |
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| Stskeeps | it's sunny | 07:50 |
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| tehdely | anyone notice a purple/bluish tint to all their camera photos? | 07:54 |
| tehdely | i did, and then took a look at the camera in the light | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.2.5?? | 07:55 |
| tehdely | and the lens is purple | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | er, .5 | 07:55 |
| tehdely | yes | 07:55 |
| tehdely | i think there may actually be some purple film on the lens | 07:55 |
| tehdely | perhaps from manufacturing? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's a couple more tuning to come in that regard | 07:55 |
| tehdely | but i mean, the lens actually looks purple if you let light reflect on it | 07:55 |
| tbr | that's unrelated though | 08:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morn tbr, fk_lx | 08:05 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: hi | 08:06 |
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| fk_lx | tbr: hallo :-P | 08:07 |
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| tbr | moaning Stskeeps | 08:08 |
| tbr | fk_lx: siemano | 08:09 |
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| ericcc | hello tbr | 08:13 |
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| AL13N | yo all | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:42 |
| AL13N | it must be a *good* morning, you've said so at least 3 times already :-) | 08:42 |
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| fk_lx | AL13N: oh hi:-), was away | 09:35 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | How can I set a smaller font size for messaging app? | 10:02 |
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| Waitee | you cant at the moment | 10:06 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | too bad, was hoping I missed a config file while searching for it | 10:09 |
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| ShadowJK | tehdely: the led also has a greenish tint | 11:01 |
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| ggabriel | hi there | 11:30 |
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| micko_ | anyone else have problem with google account requiring re-authorization? sometimes even couple times a day. | 11:39 |
| micko_ | facebook has also done this once | 11:39 |
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| PeperJohnny | micko_: everytime i disconnect from a network and connect to one, i have this problem | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | micko_: yes, it happens. it's a bug they are aware of | 11:46 |
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| micko_ | ok, good. I just couldn't find anything in together related to that | 11:51 |
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| Quu | micko_: it disconnects for some reason and reconnects randomly | 11:55 |
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| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 12:30 |
| Pnuu | someone has cleaned messages from there? | 12:30 |
| Pnuu | but when reading via this link, there are much more comments: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/#comment-10023 | 12:32 |
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| PeperJohnny | Pnuu: i have same comments on both links | 12:33 |
| Pnuu | in the first I see only 5 comments | 12:33 |
| Pnuu | in the later, more like 15 | 12:34 |
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| PeperJohnny | I have only 5 even on the other one you sent | 12:34 |
| Pnuu | how about this: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/?comment=10023#comment-10023 | 12:34 |
| Pnuu | that's the intermediate-page when checkin responses from the inbox | 12:35 |
| PeperJohnny | Now there are a lot more | 12:36 |
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| PeperJohnny | I never would have guessed that mms is still used this much | 12:37 |
| Pnuu | I just called my brother, he told that he had sent me 3 or 4 mms messages, but I didn't receive even a notice | 12:37 |
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| ljp | I use mms all the time | 12:41 |
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| ShadowJK | there isa tjc about vanis7ng comments | 12:42 |
| blaamann_b570 | My last MMS sent was 4-5 years ago. | 12:42 |
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| Pnuu | I would've sent one just a minute ago.. | 12:43 |
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| PeperJohnny | Pnuu: Do i may ask you which country your from? | 12:43 |
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| Pnuu | PeperJohnny: .fi | 12:45 |
| Kiranos | Pnuu: https://together.jolla.com/question/7534/comments-disappearing-for-no-reason/ | 12:45 |
| Kiranos | its a bug | 12:45 |
| PeperJohnny | Ah ok | 12:45 |
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| Pnuu | Kiranos: damn, should've searched first :-P | 12:48 |
| Pnuu | well, deleted my own comment | 12:49 |
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| Pnuu | hah, seemes to be the same MMS thread also in that comment :-D | 12:49 |
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| Kiranos | Pnuu: yea I saw the same issue a while back :) | 12:54 |
| Kiranos | really want mms :D | 12:54 |
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| Pnuu | it's good that there's so many votes :-) | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | i'm impressed with how much you folks use mms | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | i guess it depends on the local culture in terms of phone plans etc | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | mms cost a fortune here :P | 12:57 |
| Pnuu | it's just the most convenient way to send an image | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | yeah, of course, and it's compatible with old phones too | 12:58 |
| Pnuu | yup | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | the thing is: when they are expensive, you give your parents/grandparents a better phone for xmas and configure email :) | 12:58 |
| PeperJohnny | I would pay for a mms 39ct :D | 12:59 |
| ggabriel | that's rather cheap | 12:59 |
| ggabriel | i thikn that's the cost of an sms outside your allowance | 12:59 |
| Pnuu | we just configured email to my fathers phone, I'll never, ever, do that again | 12:59 |
| ottulo | or you just install whatsapp or equivalent on their phone | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: hahahhaa | 13:00 |
| ottulo | I showed whatsapp to my mum, she wanted it, since then I've had to install it on her friend's phone too | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | btw, my jolla crashed badly yesterday, had to take the battery out | 13:01 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: what did you do? | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | i was doing a lot of stuff though, including forcing it to switch back to my wlan | 13:01 |
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| ggabriel | a nice surprise though: i was running a timer when it crashed, and even after rebooting it etc, the timer was still there | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: loads of stuff.... terminal, maps, browser, all 9 if not more applications open plus trying to switch back to wlan | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | sadly, i didn't have time to troubleshoot and i'm sure all hte info is gone by now | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | i'll start worrying if it happens too often. also, jolla has to fix this wlan/data switching issue | 13:02 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: isn't ir prefering wlan if it's avaible? | 13:03 |
| ljp | what issue is that? | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: nope. what it does is this: | 13:03 |
| Pnuu | I've had no problems | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | the AP was rebooted, the jolla lost connection and immediatelly connected to data | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | then the AP came back | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | I had to switch back data+wlan and started switching on only wlan | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | at this point the phone crashed | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | oh, i tried to authenticate as well | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | it is reported in tjc | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | one thing though: i was connected to gtalk | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | maybe the phone didn't want to let go because of that - it didn't occur to me to switch that off | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: so in your case it always wants the wlan over data? do you have a hidden SSID or a normal one? | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | i think this was the reason for the crash actually: https://together.jolla.com/question/8096/bug-hidden-wlan-leads-to-hang-when-password-is-wrong/ | 13:06 |
| ljp | hidden AP's are problemmatic for connman as well as sailfish | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | ljp: yeap, that may be the case | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: non-hidden, secured with wpa2 | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | if this keeps happening i'll open it up | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | and see how it goes | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | but i like it hidden | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | haven't been further than 5 meters of the AP when wlan has been on, though | 13:06 |
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| ggabriel | Pnuu: i was next to it and it wouldn't reconnect :) | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | in a comparison note, though, the jolla is much much better than the iphone 5 at wlan reception | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | even the n9 beats it | 13:07 |
| Yaniel | just havin wlan on brutally eats battery though | 13:08 |
| Yaniel | 50% -> 10% overnight | 13:08 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: actually, data ate a lot more than wlan in my case | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | again, gtalk connected at all times | 13:08 |
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| ggabriel | but i don't know if the battery's meter is calibrated properly yet | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | i'm on my 2nd proper charge | 13:09 |
| Yaniel | sure, cellular data is way worse | 13:09 |
| ottulo | Yaniel: I had 45% 13h ago, currently @ 23% - WLAN on | 13:09 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: closest neighbour is > 5 km away, so I've setup it visible :-) | 13:09 |
| Pnuu | (parents' AP) | 13:09 |
| ottulo | Pnuu, sounds like a place where I'd like to live :) | 13:10 |
| ljp | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28653/debunking-myths-is-hiding-your-wireless-ssid-really-more-secure/ | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: hehehe, must be a quiet place | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | ljp: i won't even read it. having it hidden keeps some of the kiddies away | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | and it doesn't hurt, well, not until now | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | also: debunking mythis: _nothing_ is 100% secure, i'm very well aware of that | 13:12 |
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| ljp | hidden AP's will work better in a future update | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | i hope so :) | 13:12 |
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| Pnuu | ottulo: yeah, I'd like to live here too | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | oh, also, for the jolla folks: i showed my phone to a few people yesterday, different generation and everything, and they really liked it. they were astonished by the design of the phone | 13:13 |
| Pnuu | fishing and hunting can start basically when I walk out the door :-) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: fishing rod other half? | 13:14 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: I visited a home electronics store the other day, upon pulling out my phone to check a model number the clerk asked me to show it | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: did he say "can i see it with my hands?" :) | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: :-D | 13:14 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: no, he literally asked if I can show it - luckily :D | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | and a shotgun | 13:14 |
| ottulo | I might've refused otherwise | 13:14 |
| ottulo | :P | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: :) yeah, it causes a good impression. the phone is pretty | 13:15 |
| ottulo | didn't show much though - just the different screens and switching ambiance | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | my jolla was sold on the looks, the os wasn't necessary | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | then you say "this is the only company in europe doing this" and that's it | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | national/european pride and all that | 13:16 |
| ottulo | in europe? | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 13:16 |
| ottulo | I don't know of any other in the world | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | i meant that makes a mobile phone | 13:17 |
| ottulo | ah | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | the others are mostly US+partners everywhere | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | or korean (samsung) | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | ok, off to lunch, laters | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah, but samsung uses android :) | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | no tizen out yet | 13:17 |
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| entil | hey guys! I just got 12k+ sms imported with https://github.com/mjtorn/jolla-morse/ (nb. readme has a link to screenshots) | 13:43 |
| entil | so I think it's finished enough to let people know about it, because I'm sure I'm not the only ex-n900 user who wanted to import text messages | 13:43 |
| entil | http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=41 is that the correct place to post about it? | 13:44 |
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| PeperJohnny | entil: you could also post in together.jolla.com | 13:53 |
| entil | I thought it was more about recommendations, bugs, ideas and such so I didn't come to think of that :o | 13:55 |
| entil | I wouldn't want to spam the wrong forum | 13:55 |
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| zbenjamin | hey guys | 13:59 |
| zbenjamin | anyone using Mitäkuuluu ? | 14:00 |
| micko_ | I am | 14:00 |
| AL13N | entil: why not in harbour? | 14:00 |
| zbenjamin | micko_: can it import a old whatsapp db? | 14:00 |
| entil | AL13N: I'm totally new to everything, that's why I'm asking | 14:01 |
| AL13N | entil: it's a jolla app, right? | 14:01 |
| entil | I thought harbour was for getting apps into the jolla store and I'm not entirely sure I want to go through any qa processes for this ;P | 14:01 |
| AL13N | then why not try to submit in harbour, so people will have it in their stores? | 14:01 |
| entil | yes, it is, totally jolla | 14:01 |
| AL13N | ah | 14:01 |
| micko_ | zbenjamin: I have no idea. I've never used whatsapp before | 14:01 |
| entil | I know of cosmetic bugs in it, and there are things that could be better | 14:02 |
| entil | remember the premise of the app: import n900 text messages | 14:02 |
| entil | people who do that are probably hard-core, and those who aren't will pressure me into the qa thing | 14:02 |
| AL13N | entil: jolla peeps did say that they wanted maybe to loosen up harbour requirements? besides the QA process might help learn you all the stuffs, even if you don't actually go through with it? | 14:02 |
| zbenjamin | micko_: but mitäkuuluu works good enough for daily use? because the android client does not work very well for me | 14:02 |
| AL13N | entil: but that's true | 14:02 |
| AL13N | i would link it in together though | 14:03 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.jollausers.com/2014/01/jolla-outsells-iphone-5s-and-5c-in-finland/ CONGRATS guys | 14:03 |
| entil | as a question? | 14:03 |
| micko_ | zbenjamin: it has worked for me. I've added friends from Jolla's contacts and sent and recieved messages. all that has worked | 14:04 |
| CraigA | zbenjamin it works great | 14:04 |
| zbenjamin | micko_: great :) because i cannot open new chats in the android whatsapp client because it cannot read my contacts that are synced from google | 14:04 |
| CraigA | just as good, if not better than wazapp/openwhatsapp which was my daily driver on the N9 | 14:04 |
| zbenjamin | its not in harbour yet right? | 14:04 |
| CraigA | not sure, i just installed it from openrepo | 14:05 |
| zbenjamin | CraigA: i'm interested if it can import a real whatsapp db | 14:05 |
| zbenjamin | CraigA: is there a openrepo store app? that would be nice | 14:05 |
| CraigA | not too sure, you can ask on the TMO support thread | 14:05 |
| micko_ | lots of updates on mitäkuuluu. almost every day now :) | 14:05 |
| CraigA | there is probably a way to add it to the repos in jolla. I just download the file with curl and use pkcon to install it | 14:05 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, I guess coderus will put it soon to harbour, next version today will have translations | 14:06 |
| CraigA | micko_ yes, coderus is very busy. i donated to support him | 14:06 |
| Morpog_PC | you can talk with Coderus on #sailfishos | 14:06 |
| AL13N | entil: you could make a question and an answer yourself with a link to your app, then accept it :-) | 14:07 |
| entil | I think that's bad form :/ | 14:07 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, openrepos store app will come soon too, it's called warehouse like on harmattan | 14:07 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: nice! | 14:07 |
| AL13N | if people want to ask for n900 import, they might seach together and see your answer | 14:07 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: until now i have to download and isnstall the app manually right? | 14:07 |
| AL13N | entil: i don't think so | 14:07 |
| Azog | entil: http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/import-messages-from-n900/ this also works | 14:07 |
| entil | there must be proper channels for this, and I just found coderus announced mitakuuluu on the SailfishOS board, not apps, so I think I'll do it | 14:07 |
| AL13N | entil: doing a Q&A yourself is when you have an answer for a question not yet posed | 14:07 |
| entil | too many forums! cerebral oedema! | 14:07 |
| AL13N | lol | 14:08 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, yes, or add his openrepos repository to device | 14:08 |
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| entil | community overload red alert danger will robinson what are you doing dave... | 14:08 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: never tried to use zypper on my jolla | 14:09 |
| zbenjamin | ;) | 14:09 |
| AL13N | entil: imho together is a resource for later when people search google or together for answers, just like you do with unixquestions or whatnot | 14:09 |
| CraigA | zbenjamin as Morpog_PC said, you can add his openrepo to the device. for now I've just been: curl -O file.rpm then pkcon install-local file.rpm | 14:09 |
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| zbenjamin | CraigA: thx | 14:09 |
| zbenjamin | i'll try it later | 14:10 |
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| AL13N | entil: https://together.jolla.com/question/741/how-can-one-import-to-jolla-the-n900n9-callsms-history/ ? | 14:10 |
| entil | hey cool | 14:11 |
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| entil | too bad someone beat me to it with something else, though I think my app is more user friendly. I'll comment on that together link anyway | 14:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, iirc you cann add repos with pkcn too | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC | pkcon | 14:11 |
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| AL13N | entil: you should make a second answer | 14:16 |
| Pnuu | entil: yeah, make another answer | 14:17 |
| AL13N | pretty sure people will vote your answer up | 14:18 |
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| entil | so I did that and I posted on forum.jollausers.com | 14:22 |
| entil | I have about half an hour more before I got to bail and do other stuff, so I might as well post on tmo too, and look into harbour | 14:23 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess most N900 users are on TMO | 14:23 |
| entil | the big issue is that there's no cross-posting | 14:23 |
| entil | coderus has his mitakuuluu thread on sailfishos but my gut told me to post in applications | 14:23 |
| Morpog_PC | that applications bullshit was already bad with N9 | 14:24 |
| entil | I'll go with SailfishOS, there's this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1394081 that I can post my announcement thread to as a reply ;P | 14:24 |
| entil | ok | 14:24 |
| Morpog_PC | for me applications forum = N900, N810, etc. | 14:24 |
| entil | your datapoint is enough to form my statistics ;) | 14:25 |
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| entil | yay reply http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1403728#post1403728 | 14:36 |
| entil | but seriously, who has the hardest fscking captcha on the planet on a site *after you log in* | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | entil: the captcha goes away i think | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | and thanks for your efforts btw | 14:37 |
| entil | thanks :) | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | even though i don't have an n900, i know you've been playing with this for a while | 14:37 |
| entil | and it didn't for me, but maybe I'm a newb | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | entil: i think it goes away after a few posts, that's what i heard anyway | 14:37 |
| pp_ | entil: one of my work wikis :-) | 14:37 |
| entil | I started seriously thinking the n9 people and whoever might want to submit their csv parser in a pull request | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | i can't remember :) | 14:37 |
| entil | the code isn't beautiful throughout, because I never did c++ or qt before, but it should be possible to expand pretty easily to detect the csv format and whatever | 14:38 |
| entil | use the appropriate class for it | 14:38 |
| valdur55 | entil: it is better than nothing ;) | 14:39 |
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| ggabriel | entil: nice little project to learn/get feedback if you ask me | 14:39 |
| fk_lx | ZogG_laptop: hi :-) | 14:39 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: what i wonder is: if i install a app from openrepos and its put into harbour later, will it automagically link the app to the store entry and start to update it | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | so a o/(b) for you | 14:39 |
| Morpog_PC | not sure | 14:40 |
| fk_lx | zbenjamin, Morpog_PC : that's a good question for Together | 14:40 |
| Morpog_PC | it fails for me with flashlight app, but store app is lower version number, maybe thats why | 14:40 |
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| PeterPark | How can I control the Fileassociation for xdg-opn? | 14:41 |
| PeterPark | xdg-open | 14:41 |
| zbenjamin | fk_lx: feel free to ask it :) | 14:41 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: i'm tempted to install the warehouse app | 14:42 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: do you know how good it already works? | 14:42 |
| Quu | someone said the flashlight app has some shit-code in it | 14:42 |
| entil | someone already replied to me, that's actually pretty nice :) | 14:42 |
| fk_lx | zbenjamin: who? me? :-) | 14:42 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, as far as I know warehouse app for sailfishos isn't released yet | 14:42 |
| zbenjamin | fk_lx: yep ;) | 14:43 |
| fk_lx | zbenjamin: ehehe :-) ok | 14:43 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: hmm there is warehouse and warehouse-harmattan https://openrepos.net/search/node/warehouse | 14:44 |
| Morpog_PC | and both are .deb ;) | 14:44 |
| zbenjamin | hmpf :) | 14:44 |
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| entil | meh, no, there's no "ask for feedback before entering the process" in harbour, so I won't do anything about that yet | 14:47 |
| entil | the error reporting is on the level of qCritical() << ...; and emit whateverCount(-1); :D | 14:47 |
| fk_lx | zbenjamin: https://together.jolla.com/question/10129/newer-versions-of-apps-in-jolla-store-initially-installed-from-outside-jolla-store/ | 14:47 |
| fk_lx | Morpog_PC: ^ | 14:47 |
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| entil | but it'd be nice if one of these forums was for doing code-review kind of stuff, maybe someone with jolla pitching in an odd working hour, to say what would be needed to get something included | 14:52 |
| entil | anyway I gotta run, thanks for the support and all :D bye -> | 14:52 |
| zbenjamin | CraigA: is there a way to hide contacts i don't have a conversation with? | 14:54 |
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| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, nope, as it's contact view and converstaion view merged into one | 15:15 |
| Morpog_PC | recent conversations are on top | 15:15 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: currently looking @ db structure . Theoretically it should be possible to migrate messages, but i can't make sense out of the id field yet :) | 15:16 |
| zbenjamin | hmm no maybe i just found it | 15:17 |
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| arkkipiiska | hey, if you do the tohd disable once does it need to be done after every reboot? my Jolla is using a lot of battery still | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | arkkipiiska: yup, unless you mask it | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | but if you mask it and that interferes with a future upgrade, you're on your own (so you may want to unmask it before upgrading) | 15:33 |
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| Pnuu | arkkipiiska: sysctl mask tohd.service will stop it starting at boot | 15:35 |
| arkkipiiska | ok but then I need to rememer this prior to next update to FW? | 15:36 |
| arkkipiiska | remember | 15:36 |
| arkkipiiska | maybe I will stick to disabling it after booting | 15:36 |
| arkkipiiska | thanks again | 15:36 |
| arkkipiiska | hiiohoi ja yarr JvD_ ! | 15:37 |
| Pnuu | didn't cause any problems in last update | 15:37 |
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| Quu | yuuup | 15:54 |
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| zbenjamin | is there a default crypto lib on sailfish? | 16:43 |
| zbenjamin | i need to decrypt AES | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: does cat /proc/crypto help? | 16:46 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: linux crypto api? | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: i guess so... that's what dm-crypt/cryptsetup uses, which i played a little bit with | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: basically i need AES-ECB | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | it seems to have that, but i'm out of my depth if you need it programatically | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: isn't that just for kernel code? | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | i think there was a question about crypto in together.j.c as well | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: i don't think so as i can encrypt/decrypt volumes with that | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | fwiw: https://together.jolla.com/question/8560/harbour-api-request-qca-qt5-crypto-library/ | 16:52 |
| zbenjamin | https://polarssl.org/aes-source-code this is my fallback plan :) | 16:54 |
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| ggabriel | ok, so the n9 seems quite slow after using the jolla :) | 17:28 |
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| ZogG_laptop | fk_lx: late hi back | 17:29 |
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| flux | jolla display closeup: http://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla-display.jpg | 17:33 |
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| flux | (in retrospect, maybe I could've seen the pixels better by going even closer..) | 17:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | any official updates on sim problems? | 17:45 |
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| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: no updates past 1.0.2.5 | 17:51 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: hey do you know if i close the cover of Mitäkuuluu, do i still get messages? | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: it's hardware issue | 17:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | i saw Stskeeps commented asking | 17:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | but not sure what would be the resolution | 17:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i'm considering to refund oor not | 17:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would be impossible to me to pay for repairment and sending to jolla care everytime as i'm outside of EU | 17:53 |
| zbenjamin | ZogG_laptop: there is a hw issue that prevents updates | 17:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | and it would cost me more, i alredy paid for more than device cost to support them :( | 17:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: what do you mean> | 17:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | ? | 17:54 |
| zbenjamin | maybe i got it wrong | 17:54 |
| zbenjamin | i was commenting on this : <Pnuu> ZogG_laptop: no updates past 1.0.2.5 | 17:55 |
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| zbenjamin | ZogG_laptop what problem do yuo have? | 17:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i read about sim card loosing connection | 17:57 |
| zbenjamin | ewww | 17:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: if you have jolla you can test if you have it too :P | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: the physical connection? | 17:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah the sim detector problem with pressure | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | maybe I have "thick enough" sim, can't reproduce | 17:59 |
| Pnuu | I'd put some thin tape to the back of the sim to keep the sim tighter | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | SIMs are made to a standard thickness. I would be extremely reluctant to do some hacks. Because they can temporarily mask effects such as poor soldering on the PCB - which will worsen over time. | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless there is a documented fix, with reasons. | 18:02 |
| Pnuu | tape is quite a safe "hack", and easy to remove | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 18:03 |
| Pnuu | but it's a bit weird, that not everyone is affected by that | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | However, the problem is that if the issue is due to poor soldering on the motherboard - this can mask problems that will later worsen, and make the device nonfunctional, even with tape. | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | - some n900s were affected by this. | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | buy new phone and use tape to fix sim | 18:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | buy new TOH to get "another" NFC to act as NFC :) | 18:05 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: would you rather send it back, if the tape helps? | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Pnuu: yes. That may be the better solution. | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Pnuu: My first n900 had a very similar issue. | 18:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: i WANT official statement first | 18:05 |
| Pnuu | I'd just minimize the hassle to _me_ | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | SIM would disconnect - tape seemed to fix it - but it worsened. | 18:05 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: true | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Pnuu: great - if the problem doesn't worsen after the warranty period. | 18:05 |
| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: yeah, the soldering-possibility is ofc a bad possibility :-/ | 18:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | than i want to decide if i want refund or i can send it back get fixed (including all shippings on jolla as it's totally their fault) as my phone is still in EU and i need to ask frined to send it back or to take it to me end of this month | 18:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | i would understand few fails there and here | 18:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but for now the fails are comming like they are in roadmap :P | 18:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | the one we don't heve :P | 18:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe if we had roadmap we would at lest know | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Am I advocating a hard-line consumer rights based return on the least fault - absolutely not. But if you do hacks without knowing why they work - ideally with a statement from Jolla officially - there isn't a good reason to know the hack will be reliable after your rights have run out. | 18:12 |
| Jare | i thought the sim issue was already traced to the small detector pin, which sits against the side corner of the sim card | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | If that is in fact the case, then that is a much less serious and more understandable answer. | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ^problem | 18:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | that it was traced doesn't make me feel good | 18:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can know it's that small pin or whole holder | 18:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's still faulty and i want to hear the statement except sorry there is nothing to do you paid your 400 and your lost lalalal :P | 18:21 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | zbenjamin, yes messages still come through | 18:30 |
| Morpog_Jolla | there is a daemon running | 18:31 |
| Jare | well it might be due to manufacturing tolerances in the holders or cards or both combined | 18:31 |
| Jare | at least i can't reproduce the problem | 18:31 |
| Jare | even if i wiggle the sim card | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; I get the impression the sim card holder has a tiny microswitch, which is made assuming too tight tolerances on sim card sizes. | 18:31 |
| tanghus | What does the share symbol on the pause screen mean? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2662588/share_symbol.png | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | there's a switch in the corner indeed (i'm not involved or commenting in any official manner to this topic, fwiw) | 18:32 |
| Quu | tanghus: downloads | 18:32 |
| Quu | transfers | 18:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | it can be even not whole manufacture but uncle Lee Wung who made mistake, i would care less as i bought it not from him :) | 18:32 |
| Quu | whatever | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | tanghus: see events view | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | Some people claim to have fixed the problem by using microscope and a very small pointy screwdriver to grind down the sim card a few tenths of a mm | 18:33 |
| tanghus | Quu: Ah, hadn't figured that | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: interesting | 18:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: can you poke people who would give proper statement and reply | 18:33 |
| tanghus | Bad choice of pictogram imho | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | My jolla does it too, as it's not yet my primary device I'm waiting to see if there'll be any sort of communication to those who experience the issue | 18:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: and if not? | 18:36 |
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| ShadowJK | Since some people don't get it, I'd assume there are working units out there, so send it back until I get one that works? :P | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK | The "use very thin piece of string to grab the switch and lock it in place" might complicate matters in the future, even if it worked :-/ | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dont think there are revisions where it's fixed | 18:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | otherwise we would have at least official statememnt | 18:38 |
| Jope | so how do you guys make the sim card disappear? | 18:39 |
| Jope | is there some kind of repeatable method | 18:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jope: push at the back of phone exactly o above sim card slot | 18:39 |
| Jope | I'm just wondering 'cause I've had several jolla devices in my jeans front pocket for quite some time and I've never managed to have it ask for my pin code | 18:39 |
| Jope | zogg, so just squeeze it? | 18:39 |
| Jope | does above mean where the slot is located | 18:39 |
| Jope | or does it mean beside it | 18:39 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have pin code enabled, but it popped up thing saying sim card had been removed | 18:40 |
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| Jope | nope.. tried pressing all around the sim card + on top | 18:40 |
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| Jope | you're doing this with the TOH attached? | 18:40 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 18:40 |
| Jope | I'd really love to have some kind of reliable method to reproduce this | 18:41 |
| Jope | does it ever do it with the phone just lying on the table? | 18:41 |
| ShadowJK | I have not seen any reports of that | 18:42 |
| Jope | ok | 18:42 |
| Jope | thanks for the tip about pressing though.. I'll try it with several devices once I get to the office on tuesday | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | For me it does it in jeans pocket - I haven't tried pinch movement. | 18:42 |
| Jope | I'd have thought my jeans front pocket twisting is enough punishment to find ANY bad solder joints and such | 18:43 |
| Jope | I actually feel bad for the phone some times when I'm tying my shoelaces :-D | 18:43 |
| Jope | my n950 actually warped in my use | 18:43 |
| Jope | it no longer lies flat on the desk, but it rests on the opposing corners | 18:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jope: i don't have phone yet. but i had my n900 broken coz of usb | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: there are people who are looking into the issue - it's an issue that involves multiple timezones and many people in finland are on vacation until next week because monday is a holiday, but it's safe to say that things aren't being ignored | 18:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I wonder if it triggers more easily during active datatransfer, N900 was kinda like that too | 18:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | so today i want to know answer to any proble we have before i have NO CHANCE to return it | 18:44 |
| ShadowJK | (so it might be harder to trigger when on wifi) | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: thanks. | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: would love if you comment that on tjc | 18:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | people are getting heated | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | Anyone seen if that switch is readable in linux, or if it's "modem only"? | 18:45 |
| Jope | if you try moving the sim card, you can actually move it quite far before the switch changes state | 18:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jope: the quaetion is time | 18:46 |
| Jope | and at least on the sims I've had, the holder is so snug that it takes some force to move it | 18:46 |
| Jope | just tried to push the sim back in my device, it didn't even budge | 18:47 |
| Jope | it was already all the way in | 18:47 |
| Jope | I think I installed it some time before xmas when I forgot my main phone at home and had to order a new sim | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: i'll note that to somebody who has a clue about hardware and sim slots - i don't | 18:47 |
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| ShadowJK | I havent actually checked what it looks like, but I vaguely recall some people reported they fixed it by using a thin thread to loop around the switch, lifted the switch and slid sim card in place, then let go of switch | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | i bought my wife a jolla too, i haven't seen this particular problem with her size of sim card | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | so i am a bad data point myself | 18:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: my man] | 18:49 |
| Jope | stskeeps, the whole company might be a bad data point since I don't believe anyone's seen this problem in our tests so far | 18:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: it's just i don;t get how the people who can make official statemments in Jolla never get how it makes people frustrated to get at least some info that it's not ignored and worked on :P | 18:50 |
| Milo- | kewl. running tracker-sd-indexing.sh fixed all of my ID3-tag issues caused by MTP's suckiness. | 18:50 |
| Jope | zogg, you're preaching to the choir | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jope: did you see thread? | 18:50 |
| Jope | which one | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | on tjc and maemo | 18:50 |
| Jope | too many threads, too little time I'm afraid | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | on few forums as well | 18:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | describing the problem | 18:50 |
| Jope | ok | 18:51 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: care@jolla ? | 18:51 |
| Jope | I'll have a look on tuesday when I'm at work | 18:51 |
| ShadowJK | iirc I saw the various inventive workarounds on tmo | 18:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | if not than instead of laughting at me and not saying thnaks that i actually trying to make your communication with community better you could read those | 18:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: i think people sent already. the problem is that not only one person problem | 18:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | actually a lot of people had that | 18:52 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: but you haven't contacted care to ask what should you do? | 18:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: i don't have device at my hands yet and i think the answer should be PUBLIC in that case | 18:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | my device in EU and i'm not | 18:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | once i get it (the end of month) i would pay a lot of $$ to send and get it back for/from repair everytime | 18:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i need to know the problems and if it's worth it BEFORE i get it | 18:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | if you missed that part | 18:56 |
| Pnuu | umm | 18:56 |
| Pnuu | ah, ok, that explains a bit | 18:56 |
| Pnuu | but there's by my observations about four people who have had that problem, so ... :-P | 18:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | wanna count together? | 18:58 |
| Pnuu | let's see | 18:58 |
| Jope | yep, it's not as common as you'd think, but naturally it is a real problem happening to real people | 18:59 |
| Jope | it's a bit like going to a car enthusiast problem.. you'd think all car models are really bad because everyone only posts about what broke on theirs | 18:59 |
| Jope | problem = forum | 18:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | let's start iwth 63 upvotes | 19:00 |
| Jope | and continue with..? | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: I counted six from the comments, so "about four" isn't a bad guess | 19:01 |
| Morpog_Jolla | 63 upvotes doesn't mean 63 people affected by the problem | 19:01 |
| Pnuu | and no, number of votes != number of people with the problem | 19:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | tapio.oling Henrik nforss idro lcpitkan nforss | 19:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's less than third list | 19:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll kee counting | 19:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: don't bother.. | 19:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | nforss was counted twice | 19:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | my mistake | 19:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Khertan Kake41 mholo65 contratto | 19:03 |
| Eztran | I'm not sure it makes much difference whether 5 or 50 people are affected, really. | 19:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: i just dont like the asnwer to problem "didn't find anyone else with it" | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | ZogG_laptop: I said "about four" | 19:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would sound for me the same as "i care less for you as you are only 1 customer" | 19:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had 8 people i can keep counting there are plenty and it's only on tjc | 19:05 |
| Pnuu | yes, there are people who are affected by it | 19:05 |
| Pnuu | no, I wouldn't freak out because of _just_ _a_ _few_ people have had that problem | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | haha | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's the attitude | 19:06 |
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| Pnuu | well, why not? :-) | 19:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: exactly those few who supported and preorded :P | 19:07 |
| Pnuu | the statistics are for you, not against you | 19:07 |
| Pnuu | I preordered, and the phone is working fine | 19:08 |
| Morpog_Jolla | i'm not affected, why should I fresk out? :) | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's few at first use, n=more that don't know and more who use it without sim | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | and how many phones we have out there | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | do not count those people stil DIDN'T get | 19:08 |
| Pnuu | well, ok, let's agree that you want to freak out | 19:09 |
| Pnuu | I'm off to watch a james bond re-re-re-re-run | 19:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | Pnuu: try other company sim | 19:09 |
| Pnuu | I have only one | 19:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | re-re-re-re-run? | 19:09 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i'm not freaked out i thought you are sailor | 19:09 |
| Pnuu | and as someone said, "the sims have a standard thickness", so shouldn't matter.. | 19:09 |
| Pnuu | I'm an end-user | 19:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok | 19:10 |
| zbenjamin | ZogG_laptop: i never had any problems with my SIM card, how do i know if i have it? | 19:11 |
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| zbenjamin | my 3G is always there | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: you'd have notifications about needing restart | 19:11 |
| Morpog_Jolla | same for me zbenjamin | 19:11 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: ah ok , no ;) | 19:12 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: btw, you can dodge the reboot with airplane-mode :p | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: that's clever | 19:12 |
| zbenjamin | but i got myself a new SIM card for my Jolla, maybe his SIM is old | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | or just calling a number | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | happens with my brand new sim btw | 19:13 |
| Morpog_Jolla | mine was over 2 years in my n9 and works fine | 19:13 |
| zbenjamin | i remember having issues with other phones and SIM cards that lost connection | 19:14 |
| zbenjamin | replacing the SIM made it go away back then | 19:14 |
| zbenjamin | ShadowJK: ok, then it has to be something else :( | 19:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: it can be overtime problem | 19:16 |
| zbenjamin | overtime? | 19:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | when it takes atime till you have problem | 19:17 |
| zbenjamin | ah, maybe but i hope not | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | or there are few revs of phone | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | or it can be like n900's usb problem | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | it doesn't happen day one | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: that's what i hope not too | 19:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway let's leave it | 19:18 |
| zbenjamin | going back to my android phone even for a week would suck extremely bad ;) | 19:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: sup man | 19:18 |
| bef0rd | hello ZogG_laptop | 19:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: well well | 19:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: how are you? | 19:20 |
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| ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: :( | 19:21 |
| bef0rd | can't complain :D | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Right | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | If I push the sim card all the way in, it leaves a mm gap between the rubbery flap and the card | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | If I take out the card and align it with the flap, it still works, but even a tiny tiny amount of flex makes it drop | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | so it works okay if it's all the way in? | 19:27 |
| skvark | i have it all the way in and it does not work | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well no, pinching the phone still makes it fail | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | fair | 19:27 |
| skvark | I have observed this on multiple devices | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | I need a usb microscope | 19:28 |
| skvark | different operator sims | 19:28 |
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| ShadowJK | this handheld one is shitty for taking pics :3 | 19:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: usb microscope? :P | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | connected to computer | 19:29 |
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| ShadowJK | Trying to hold my N900, and a microscope steady, to take picture of sim switch is kinda difficult | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | and results aren't that great | 19:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | ShadowJK: don;t you have better camera than phone? | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't work well when camera lens is bigger than viewpiece on microscope | 19:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i don't even have microscope at home | 19:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | why would i | 19:34 |
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| Fazu | Agh, my phone started the shutdown thingy again | 19:52 |
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| Fazu | anyone here yet figured out a bug that results this or anything similar ? (in the forums the only answer was to do a full reset on the phone, which I don't want to do) | 19:53 |
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| tanghus | Anybody bored enough to do translations for my apps? I only know two languages ;) https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/kitchen-timer-qml/ | 20:27 |
| Pnuu | pythonic translation should include "my hovercraft is full of eels" | 20:31 |
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| Pnuu | tanghus: I might go for a finnish translation tomorrow | 20:43 |
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| tanghus | Pnuu: that would be great! | 20:45 |
| attah | That's a really neat tool, that transifex thingy... I'll attempt Swedish! | 20:46 |
| Pnuu | tanghus: does it need sign-up? | 20:47 |
| attah | Yep, but it was really quick! | 20:48 |
| tanghus | Pnuu: yes, transifex requires a login, but they're not data-greedy | 20:48 |
| Pnuu | mkay, I'll see tomorrow | 20:48 |
| attah | tanghus: do you have to accept languages that we can contribute? | 20:49 |
| tanghus | Pnuu: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/kitchen-timer-qml/language/fi_FI/ :) | 20:49 |
| tanghus | attah: yes, but it's just a formality. | 20:50 |
| tanghus | I have just only added a few languages for now, but anyone can request more languages | 20:50 |
| tanghus | For now I'm maintainer of all the languages, but I don't speak most :P | 20:51 |
| tanghus | or write for that matter... | 20:51 |
| attah | tanghus: accept already ;) | 20:52 |
| tanghus | attah: awesome. What language? | 20:52 |
| attah | tanghus: sv/Swedish | 20:52 |
| tanghus | attah: just saw it :) | 20:53 |
| tanghus | attah, ZogG_laptop: I just have to sync those languages before there's anything to translate | 20:54 |
| attah | tanghus: there seems to be plenty there now.. should I wait for your go? | 20:54 |
| tanghus | attah: is it done automagically? Great, go ahead :) | 20:55 |
| tanghus | First time I've tried to set it up myself, so trial an error. Spend all last night and haven't slept yet :P | 20:56 |
| attah | Hehe.. | 20:57 |
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| parasemic | was there any fix to WLAN connection being unstable? | 20:57 |
| attah | tanghus: can i get more context somewhere.. those "format strings" are pretty hard if i don't know what goes in %1 | 20:58 |
| attah | parasemic: BT has been known to mess with wlan.. but that is probably not the only issue | 20:59 |
| tanghus | attah: transifex doesn't show the Qt linguist hints for some reason. | 20:59 |
| tanghus | attah: context is here ;) https://github.com/tanghus/kitchen-timer-qml/tree/master/qml/pages | 21:00 |
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| attah | Bah.. i'm a gitofobe (why isn't there a clearcase hub?) ;) | 21:01 |
| * Stskeeps glares | 21:02 | |
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| tanghus | clearcase? | 21:03 |
| tanghus | attah: github is just an easy UI, no need for git-foo | 21:03 |
| attah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Rational_ClearCase | 21:03 |
| attah | yeah.. i know :) but still | 21:04 |
| tanghus | :) | 21:04 |
| tanghus | Ah, the Rational ppl. AFIARC I used some of their SW back in the old days - before dot com bubble ;) | 21:05 |
| tanghus | Rational Rose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_Rose#Second-generation_products | 21:06 |
| attah | Oh yeah.. i think they still use that in some other parts of the telecom company i consult at.. | 21:06 |
| attah | Appearently it's a mess to debug.. | 21:07 |
| tanghus | I can imagine. I'm not really fond of those do-it-all IDEs. You have no idea what's going on. | 21:08 |
| attah | /agree | 21:08 |
| tanghus | OTOH I hate editing .pro files etc, but mostly because I haven't used the time to get to learn it. | 21:08 |
| tanghus | What was it called earlier? automake or smth? we used it in the early KDE days | 21:09 |
| attah | dunno.. we have clearmake | 21:11 |
| attah | i had to fetch the dead-tree dictionary.. pluralizing loan-words is a bitch | 21:11 |
| attah | Also.. I'm going for egg timer in the swedish translation.. never heard anyone use another word for it here | 21:13 |
| tanghus | If it's not used in Swedish, then it's better to use a commonly known name | 21:14 |
| tanghus | You swedes only time your eggs? ;) | 21:14 |
| attah | umm.. don't think so ;P | 21:15 |
| tanghus | :) | 21:15 |
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| tanghus | attah: GT suggests kök timer :) | 21:17 |
| attah | sure.. but that is litteraly kitchen and timer just placed after eachother | 21:17 |
| tanghus | yeah, I supposed so | 21:17 |
| attah | it'd be kökstimer if anything... | 21:18 |
| attah | I'll add that as suggestions, in case you want to change | 21:18 |
| tanghus | you also use run together words like in Danish? | 21:18 |
| tanghus | or whatever it's called | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | koekkenskabslaage? | 21:19 |
| tanghus | Like that :D | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | (finally, a community with more danes than just me..) | 21:19 |
| attah | danish/swedish/norwegian are intelligible by people from any of the corresponding countries | 21:20 |
| tanghus | you didn't bring a Danish keyboard Stskeeps? ;) | 21:20 |
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| Stskeeps | tanghus: polish ones are cheaper | 21:20 |
| tanghus | he he | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | i wear them out | 21:20 |
| tanghus | I hate the new "Scandinavian" keyboards | 21:20 |
| tanghus | The Danish keys are placed wrongly | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, no self respecting coder would want to code on a danish layout.. | 21:21 |
| tanghus | well, I have no self-respect, so I get along with it ;) | 21:21 |
| attah | mwahahaha: Swedish and finns teamed up and got the better of the converged nordic layout :) | 21:22 |
| tanghus | attah: exactly | 21:22 |
| attah | I'm perfectly fine with that :) | 21:22 |
| attah | tanghus: then you haven't tried swedish mac keyboards.. it'll break your wrist trying to type {} | 21:23 |
| tanghus | you don't know how many times I've written e.g. møtte instead of mætte. | 21:23 |
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| ShadowJK | fingerterm .fi layout puts swedish â in funny place :) | 21:24 |
| * Yaniel hits even that accidentally every now and then | 21:24 | |
| tanghus | I wasn't even aware it had different layouts | 21:24 |
| attah | tanghus: that should be your complete swedish translation.. | 21:25 |
| tanghus | attah: you're da man! Thanks a bunch | 21:25 |
| tanghus | I'll push another app for translation during the weekend :) | 21:26 |
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| attah | tanghus: not a problem! There should be a list somewhere there people can sign up their sailfish projects for translation help | 21:26 |
| tanghus | attah: good idea. New tag for together maybe? | 21:27 |
| tanghus | btw, I noticed transifex already had a sailfishos tag | 21:28 |
| attah | tanghus: that's one (pretty good) place to keep it. Could you do that for your next app? | 21:28 |
| attah | How do i find tags there? | 21:28 |
| tanghus | yeah, well. I'm looking for it | 21:28 |
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| attah | i was too.. and had given up | 21:29 |
| tanghus | attah: should we just tag it 'translation'? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | tanghus: btw, one of my inputs to the danish translation of sailfish was that it felt very mechnical | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't really lived in .dk since 2009 so i'm a bit unsure if other people feel the same | 21:30 |
| attah | i guess that is the easiest way.. the best thing i can think of but not quite stellar | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | I havr this problem with trying to tranlate too | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | since i use everything in english i dont know what computers talk like in oter languages :D | 21:31 |
| tanghus | Stskeeps: the Danish translation? I never use them, so I wouldn't know. Sounds silly but mostly I don't understand Danish tech translations - or non-tech for that matter | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:31 |
| attah | Sweden actually did a lot of work to have good standard translations of computer related things, so they are pretty decent.. however apple decided to do thier own.. so that's a mess.. | 21:33 |
| tanghus | I was on the Danish KDE translation team to start with - the only one I think. After a pause as translator I had no idea what thay meant, so I jst gave up | 21:33 |
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| tanghus | Stskeeps: you live in Poland? | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | originally from herning, studied in aarhus, met a nice girl (i fixed her computer and next thing i knew, we were married) and moved to warsaw after finishing studies | 21:34 |
| tanghus | attah: yes, you have words for tablet etc? Don't remember it now, but it sounds funny :) | 21:35 |
| tanghus | tavla? | 21:35 |
| tanghus | dator tavla :D | 21:35 |
| * Stskeeps vomits over remembering the term 'tavlecomputer' | 21:35 | |
| ShadowJK | surfplatta? | 21:35 |
| tanghus | he yub | 21:35 |
| attah | tanghus: yes, as ShadowJK says: surfplatta | 21:36 |
| tanghus | really? lol | 21:36 |
| ShadowJK | (Finland swedish) | 21:36 |
| attah | yes, really | 21:36 |
| tanghus | ShadowJK: do I need a special tranlation for that? ;) | 21:36 |
| tanghus | +s | 21:37 |
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| attah | an then we have läsplatta.. almost the same but eink-sih display, like kindle.. makes for a good easy distinction | 21:37 |
| ShadowJK | No, but there is separate locale | 21:37 |
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| tanghus | Actually they're quite good words for it, but hard for non-scandinavians to understand | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | (sv_FI) | 21:39 |
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| tanghus | ShadowJK: with very little difference I suppose? | 21:40 |
| tanghus | How many locales does Norwegian have then? | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 21:40 |
| tanghus | nynorsk, bokmål...? | 21:41 |
| ShadowJK | seemsso | 21:41 |
| tanghus | ah, that's "samish" | 21:41 |
| tanghus | ? | 21:41 |
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| ShadowJK | seems so, ruined byy vkb | 21:41 |
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| tanghus | I don't even know what seemso is called in Danish... samsk :P | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | my lnux pooters dont seem to have sami locale | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | no, "seems so", engl7sh "it wouldseem to bw so", but on scredn keyvoard is bad | 21:43 |
| tanghus | There ought to be one | 21:43 |
| tanghus | ah, got it now - a bit slow on this end | 21:44 |
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| tanghus | well I better soon figure out how to deploy to device/rpm. 4 translations is a good start already! thanks guys | 21:46 |
| ShadowJK | Ido remember late 90s someone compiled a word list for all themajor sami dialects, for T9 word prediction and spellchecking on phones. No phone manufacturers includednit though, despite getting it served on silver plate for free | 21:47 |
| tanghus | attah: is it OK if I set you as Swedish maintainer? If you get tired of it you can just stop, and I expect *very* few changes | 21:48 |
| tanghus | ShadowJK: that's just too lousy, but often seen I guess. | 21:48 |
| attah | tanghus: sure! just hope it sends an e-mail if there is something that i should do.. | 21:49 |
| tanghus | attah: You set your own email settings, but I think it sends all per default | 21:49 |
| attah | tanghus: okidok! | 21:50 |
| tanghus | #jollamobile has now beaten #owncloud in staedy nicks count :) | 21:50 |
| tanghus | great attah | 21:50 |
| tanghus | Oh, you're already set as coordinator :) | 21:51 |
| attah | i didn't do it.. i think.. | 21:52 |
| tanghus | I think I did it by approving you. First to the mill (I suppose that's not only a Danish saying?) | 21:53 |
| attah | yeah probably.. we have that in Swedish too, yes | 21:54 |
| tanghus | attah: do you have a Swedish word for "Mute"? I couldn't think of a Danish one | 21:54 |
| tanghus | tüsnad | 21:54 |
| tanghus | ;) | 21:54 |
| attah | I used "Tyst" | 21:54 |
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| attah | which is more like "silent", but close enough imho | 21:55 |
| tanghus | It's actually too bad if we don't have a good Danish word for that | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | Ljudlös | 21:55 |
| tanghus | yeah, I think it's good, and if it's used | 21:55 |
| attah | Could be better, I'll change Swedish | 21:56 |
| tanghus | What does it say on your TV? | 21:56 |
| attah | Mute, lol ;) | 21:56 |
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| tanghus | :) | 21:56 |
| attah | My jolla says the equivalent of "turn off sound" no help there | 21:57 |
| attah | But yeah.. i'll go with ljudlös, thanks shadowjk | 21:58 |
| tanghus | stum, tyst, målløs | 21:58 |
| attah | 1 and 3 describes a person.. | 21:58 |
| tanghus | yes, also in Danish | 21:58 |
| tanghus | we actually use all 3 words | 21:59 |
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| restless_being | tanghus: I just requested pl lang | 22:01 |
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| tanghus | restless_being: great. I'll aprove you | 22:04 |
| tanghus | +p | 22:04 |
| restless_being | cool | 22:04 |
| tanghus | done | 22:05 |
| edgars | yo | 22:07 |
| edgars | i have 1.0.2.5 | 22:07 |
| edgars | butt after reboot i got notifiction, that i have new update | 22:08 |
| Quu | try to update | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | edgars: known bug, just ignore it for a bit | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:08 |
| edgars | 1.0.2.5 | 22:08 |
| edgars | okey | 22:08 |
| Quu | if it updates, it disappears | 22:08 |
| Quu | if it doesnt update, it disappears | 22:08 |
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| tanghus | He, I get twitter notifs *3* hours late... | 22:11 |
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| edgars | so you are out of date about hot tweets ;) | 22:13 |
| tanghus | Not only about those ;) | 22:17 |
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| attah | Has anyone successfully used inline controls on headphones? | 22:18 |
| nander | Don't have them, sorry, can't test | 22:20 |
| tanghus | I only have one set of headphones that works with it, and it doesn't have any controls | 22:21 |
| tanghus | If you mean answer, reject etc. buttons | 22:21 |
| attah | tanghus: exactly.. i can't even get the primary button to work (the one that just shorts mic to ground) | 22:22 |
| tanghus | My older headset works fine if something's playing, otherwise it has a loud, pulsating buzz | 22:24 |
| attah | tanghus: that's odd.. can it be the wrong pinout? what is it for, n9? | 22:25 |
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| tanghus | attah: I forgot where it's from now, but apparently there are two different standards for mini-jacks. F***** mess. | 22:26 |
| attah | (that'd connect ground through the mic, and thus seize when the answer button is pressed) | 22:26 |
| attah | and guess who's fault that is? | 22:26 |
| tanghus | 1. guess: Apple | 22:27 |
| attah | afaik you're correct | 22:27 |
| tanghus | Or Nokia :D | 22:27 |
| Jonni | yep, N9 headphones wont work on Jolla. | 22:28 |
| Jonni | as ground and mic are in different order | 22:28 |
| attah | dunno who was first really.. nut nokia used to use the logical extension over the 3-ple standard | 22:28 |
| attah | *pole | 22:28 |
| tanghus | I always thought a mini-jack was a mini-jack until just recently | 22:28 |
| attah | i learned by getting a N9 ;) | 22:29 |
| tanghus | Well I learned by getting a Jolla | 22:29 |
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| tanghus | restless_being: that was fast! Thanks a bunch :) | 22:45 |
| restless_being | :) | 22:45 |
| tanghus | restless_being: transifex has appointed you as coordinator for Polish translation - hope you don't mind ;) | 22:47 |
| restless_being | tanghus: it always does it when you're first :) | 22:48 |
| tanghus | restless_being: yes, so I noticed with attah, I wasn't aware. | 22:49 |
| tanghus | Now I translated 'Start' to 'Start' and 'Mute' to 'Mute' just to get the Danish translation up to 100% :D | 22:50 |
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