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| valdur55 | Can anybody share her phone's /var/lib/environment/ folder content? | 00:02 |
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| tehdely | i'm hoping people port some of the nice qt software that was deved for late-generation symbian phones + n9 | 00:05 |
| tehdely | i'd like to see podcatcher, sports-tracker, etc. | 00:05 |
| tehdely | understandably there's a shift frmo qt4 to qt5 | 00:06 |
| tehdely | not being a developer of course i assume it's the easiest thing in teh world | 00:06 |
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| pdanek | tehdely: shift from N9 should be easy, Symbian less easy, however I expect majority of N9 apps being ported in the future | 00:11 |
| Raim | valdur55: do you need anything specific? http://pastie.org/8594895 | 00:11 |
| Raim | (that locale.conf.orig was added by me) | 00:12 |
| valdur55 | Raim: when you can.... push all of them :) | 00:12 |
| Raim | valdur55: here, http://raim.codingfarm.de/etc/environment.tar.gz | 00:15 |
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| valdur55 | Raim: thanks. | 00:20 |
| tehdely | anyone had any luck w/ apple headphones + the jolla btw | 00:22 |
| tehdely | i haven't tried my nokia ones but i've heard they won't work | 00:23 |
| tehdely | but i thought about swinging by the apple store and picking up a pair of earpods. they are good-looking and would match the jolla | 00:23 |
| pdanek | Do you know if Warehouse app is gonna be for Sailfish? | 00:26 |
| special | tehdely: audio works, buttons do nothing, no idea about microphone | 00:26 |
| tehdely | you have earpods you've tested this with? | 00:26 |
| tehdely | i am most curious about the mic | 00:26 |
| pdanek | ah god, it is! | 00:26 |
| pdanek | Warehouse for Sailfish is almost completed - a few things with packagekit integration. | 00:26 |
| special | I have the new-style ones that ship with iphone 5, yes | 00:26 |
| pcfe | I have an upstream tarball, a spec file (and if need be a yaml file) and the SailfishOS IDE, now how do I get an ARM binary out of my machine? | 00:27 |
| tehdely | special: any way you can test mic? i can call you :P | 00:27 |
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| special | tehdely: I can call myself, that's half of my job ;) | 00:28 |
| special | tehdely: you're in luck, mic works great | 00:28 |
| tehdely | yay! | 00:28 |
| tehdely | cool i will pick some up today | 00:28 |
| tehdely | i remembe trying to plug those into an N9 and it was an instant NOPE | 00:28 |
| tehdely | music wouldn't even come out | 00:28 |
| tehdely | let alone the mic working | 00:28 |
| special | they're quite comfortable earpods, audio is decent, mic is excellent | 00:28 |
| tehdely | great | 00:29 |
| tehdely | i am learnign to live with having 2G-only, btw. means i have to be more sociable when i'm out and about. speak to ppl instead of fiddling with my phone | 00:30 |
| tehdely | jolla is helping me to be a better human | 00:30 |
| tehdely | i showed the phone around to all the devs on my team. they are, as a whole, very impressed with the UI | 00:30 |
| tehdely | everyone i've shown it to thinks it's beautiful :) | 00:30 |
| special | yep. I get some good reactions when carrying mine around | 00:31 |
| tehdely | where you located? .fi ? | 00:31 |
| special | SLC actually. | 00:31 |
| tehdely | right on. didn't knwo there were other americans in here | 00:32 |
| * tehdely <-- in SF | 00:32 | |
| special | haha, not many | 00:33 |
| special | I'm at least 9 timezones away from nearly everyone else in the company | 00:33 |
| tehdely | where's marc frmo btw | 00:34 |
| tehdely | i couldn't tell if he was american or canadian | 00:34 |
| special | did you watch the thanks video? | 00:34 |
| tehdely | or is he just finnish with an excellent accent | 00:34 |
| tehdely | nah | 00:34 |
| tehdely | link pls ? | 00:34 |
| special | it's preinstalled on device, isn't it? | 00:35 |
| tehdely | oh i'll check | 00:35 |
| special | it'll answer that question :p | 00:35 |
| tehdely | yep found it | 00:35 |
| tehdely | texas? :P | 00:36 |
| tehdely | actually | 00:36 |
| tehdely | sounded more like georgia | 00:36 |
| special | I'm actually not sure where exactly he came from, I know he was in california for awhile | 00:40 |
| tehdely | how'd he end up the head of a boutiquey finnish mobile company? is he ex-nokia | 00:40 |
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| special | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marc-dillon/37/91/707 | 00:41 |
| tehdely | gotcha | 00:42 |
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| HtheB | Opera classic works! | 01:11 |
| HtheB | somehow, it didnt work before | 01:13 |
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| ottulo | hmm... anyone remember what android version Jolla uses? | 01:21 |
| Morpog_Mobile | 4.1.2 | 01:24 |
| ottulo | thanks | 01:24 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Iirc | 01:24 |
| ottulo | but I just found the information I was actually after | 01:24 |
| ottulo | android ver just works as a hint :P | 01:25 |
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| piee | morning | 04:43 |
| Nicd- | and what a fine morning it is indeed | 04:43 |
| Nicd- | here's some morning music for everyone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZEDMIZZSug | 04:44 |
| piee | like i | 04:48 |
| piee | it | 04:49 |
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| atlaz | Raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens | 05:49 |
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| tehdely | battery life is excellent. it's been probably 22 hours and i'm at 45% | 07:04 |
| tehdely | that's after disabling tohd | 07:04 |
| tehdely | very impress. such long. | 07:04 |
| Nicd- | wow | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, as you can imagine that's what we thought it was when we shipped, as the TOH thing had kinda slipped off visibility of our power tests.. | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | soon(TM) a official fix should come though | 07:06 |
| tehdely | i also finally found a good picture for ambiance... i was going to my credit union and took a picture at the corner of california+presidio sts, which has a great view over the hills to downtown SF | 07:07 |
| tehdely | the ingredients for a good ambiance picture seem to be: | 07:07 |
| tehdely | * take it in portrait mode | 07:07 |
| tehdely | * should have interesting bits in all three parts from top to bottom | 07:07 |
| * Stskeeps 'd like to go to SF again | 07:07 | |
| tehdely | i would like to go to europe again. it's been over a decade | 07:07 |
| tehdely | but i'd like to do it by boat, maybe retrace my grandfather's voyage in reverse by taking a ship from NYC -> hamburg | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, as long as i'm not going to a conference in SF that's sailfishos and it has jim zemlin as a keynote speaker; then sailfishos should last for a very long time | 07:08 |
| tehdely | there was some tizenconf snoozefest here last year | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, and meego and tizen conf 1 before that :P | 07:11 |
| tehdely | i ran into a guy at the gym one time | 07:11 |
| tehdely | with a meego conference shirt | 07:11 |
| tehdely | and i had probably just got my n9 the week before | 07:11 |
| tehdely | and i wanted to show it to him | 07:11 |
| tehdely | but he was all sad and didn't want to see :( | 07:11 |
| tehdely | i then realized after the fact that i was bleeding from my forehead (long story) and he probably just wanted to get away from me. but at the time i believed he was saddened by the plight of MeeGo | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least the shocking plot twist didn't include "then i realized that i had stabbed him and he was bleeding" | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 07:13 |
| tehdely | indeed | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | so you're in SF and you have a jolla? | 07:13 |
| Nicd- | tehdely: share the pic :) | 07:15 |
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| tehdely | huh.. i actually took it in landscape mode | 07:24 |
| tehdely | http://409truth.com/towards-pac-heights.jpg | 07:26 |
| tehdely | Stskeeps: yes, on fabulous 2G ;) | 07:27 |
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| atlaz | Im turning 30 in february. Thinking about flying to the US, renting a car and tearing it up on the highways for a week or two | 07:39 |
| atlaz | I'd very much like to check out the deep south and also the east coast | 07:39 |
| tehdely | that's one way to do it | 07:40 |
| tehdely | i just turned 30 and am working on getting my driver's license | 07:41 |
| tehdely | i travel around the US by train | 07:41 |
| tehdely | haven't spent any time deep south, though i'd love to visit new orleans some year | 07:41 |
| atlaz | I'd like to visit Manhattan for a couple of days. But it's bound to be cold as hell in february | 07:41 |
| tehdely | that is a miserable time to be there. the wind off the atlantic bites you in the face. feels like flying icicles | 07:42 |
| walokra | heh, seems that i'm not the only one who has dreams about touring US :) | 07:42 |
| tehdely | pls come and spend your euros. preferably spend them all in san francisco | 07:42 |
| atlaz | Yeah, kinda like home. It's the coldest month here, temperatures are usually from -10c to -30c | 07:42 |
| tehdely | make sure to patronize union hotels | 07:42 |
| tehdely | and tip your waiter | 07:42 |
| tehdely | ;) | 07:42 |
| atlaz | Thats 14F to -22F | 07:42 |
| tehdely | that's cold. | 07:43 |
| tehdely | here in SF it dips below 40º F a few times a year | 07:43 |
| tehdely | it snows about 4x/century | 07:43 |
| atlaz | Yeah. And we got the wind blowing from the sea, so it kinda makes it feel even colder | 07:43 |
| tehdely | snow in SF seems to coincide with drought years, and we are in a ridiculous drought at the moment | 07:43 |
| tehdely | so perhaps this will be the year | 07:43 |
| atlaz | They say that 14F on the coast is the same as -4F on the "mainland" | 07:43 |
| tehdely | this drought is ruining my skiing | 07:43 |
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| tehdely | so is everyone here pretty much in .fi? | 07:45 |
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| atlaz | I've been forced to watch Hart Of Dixie by my wife, and the idea of living a cuople of days in a small town somewhere near New Orleans tickles my berrys IYKWIM | 07:46 |
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| tehdely | haha | 07:46 |
| atlaz | Thou' i think they romanticize the deep south ALOT in that series :) | 07:47 |
| nahkiss | well, both irc and jolla are finnish "inventions" so I guess it's not a shock that most here are .fi :P | 07:47 |
| atlaz | But hey, just kickin it back on some porch, drinking beer and fighting alligators. What a life | 07:48 |
| atlaz | Here we get to freeze in our igloo, eat fermented fish and fight polarbears :( | 07:48 |
| tehdely | atlaz: life in the south actually seems to consist of lots of eating, driving, and air-conditioning | 07:48 |
| tehdely | and doing as much of it as possible indoors | 07:48 |
| atlaz | My kinda place | 07:48 |
| atlaz | Driving pickup trucks, going shooting and the weekly nascar-gettogether | 07:49 |
| tehdely | something like that | 07:49 |
| atlaz | Listening to Shania Twain and Luke Bryan | 07:49 |
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| tehdely | anyhow it is getting pretty late here. i should get ready for bed | 07:51 |
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| atlaz | 9:51 AM, day's just starting | 07:51 |
| tehdely | tell me, how is the future | 07:51 |
| tehdely | do we have flying cars yet | 07:51 |
| atlaz | Jesus, it's still thursday there | 07:51 |
| tehdely | it's thursday for 8 more minutes | 07:52 |
| atlaz | 'tis an amazing world we live in when you can have conversations with someone living in the past | 07:52 |
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| atlaz | So anyway, about the phone. Im using it with language English (UK) (like any normal phone user). It shows all units in Miles in my Map. This is...troubling | 07:58 |
| atlaz | I guess i can't change it to the metric system without changing my language to Finnish or Swedish? | 07:58 |
| tehdely | hmm that is an interesting conundrum | 07:58 |
| tehdely | i guess it's time to embrace the humble mile | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | atlaz: yes, there's a together* item on it | 07:59 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: allright | 07:59 |
| atlaz | Nice | 07:59 |
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| Kiranos | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/9012/jolla-to-support-fbus-commands-enables-nagios-phone-call-alert-etc/ | 08:48 |
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| Kiranos | extremely hard to implement? | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | .. isn't it just easier to ssh into the phone? | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | as a general thought | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | and use the dbus interfaces | 08:49 |
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| Kiranos | I've only used gnokii | 08:52 |
| Kiranos | dont know how the dbus works | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | quite easily to be honest | 08:53 |
| Jare | ...or install ofono on the server and use a 3g usb stick to send sms messages | 08:53 |
| Kiranos | if so absolutely | 08:53 |
| pp_ | dbus-send <parameters> | 08:56 |
| Kiranos | yea having ip over usb helps a ton in this case | 08:56 |
| Kiranos | how stable is the connection? | 08:57 |
| pp_ | usb seems to be solid, wlan gets some (power-save related) dropouts | 08:57 |
| pp_ | s/related/related?/ | 08:57 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: heh, you answered the same as I did | 08:58 |
| tbr | ssh nemo@192.168.2.15 "dbus-send ..." | 08:59 |
| pp_ | probably similar (but not identical) to http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/c4milo/ofono/tree/master/doc | 09:01 |
| Kiranos | thanks for the links! | 09:02 |
| Kiranos | a phone_control wiki entry for jolla would be great :D | 09:02 |
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| ballock | atlaz: I remember solving the mile issue on most desktop systems by using English-Ireland settings | 09:11 |
| ballock | although they speak English, they use the metric system and a4 paper :) | 09:12 |
| ln- | also they get cold and warm water from just one tap, and they use the euro. | 09:12 |
| ballock | but... Jolla has only English (UK) so that's currently of no help to you, I guess | 09:12 |
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| Frye | Yeah, this having to use non-standard units with english is a nasty bit, but luckily there is a workaround :D | 09:14 |
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| pp_ | Kiranos: A nice wiki with tricks for everything like that, even :-) | 09:15 |
| pp_ | (should be a community effort, jolla can't really say anything about some things :P ) | 09:15 |
| Kiranos | absolutely, hopefully they will allow the content on the official website? | 09:17 |
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| Kiranos | or what will develop to be the community "official" recource information | 09:17 |
| pp_ | dunno, stuff like google play they probably can't do :-) | 09:17 |
| pp_ | http://elinux.org/Jolla has some bits | 09:18 |
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| ggabriel | morning | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | so, i can confirm that if the battery is depleted, the alarm doesn't go off :) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | welllll | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | you say that | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | but the N9 wasn't like that | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | although I did forget to shut down the tohd.service | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | so maybe the OS couldn't shut down early enough | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i dunno | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i was surprised over and over with nokia phones going off on the alarm even after the battery was gone, maybe they left a little bit on purpose for that | 09:30 |
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| ggabriel | and i know i keep comparing the jolla to my nokias, but what else can i do ;-) | 09:31 |
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| AL13N_work | Kiranos: pp_: you could put in info in Q&A form on together | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: maybe it had too much wake-ups during the night | 09:32 |
| zutto | ggabriel: the alarm requires _VERY_ little power to run on old nokias atleast | 09:32 |
| AL13N_work | someone told me that alarm on suspend would work | 09:32 |
| zutto | you could compare it to digital watches, they run for very long time on very low power :P | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | alarm for us is bring up entire ui, fwiw | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: forgot the tohd.service, that's all, battery gone | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: thanks for clarifying | 09:32 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N_work: yeap, alarm works when phone is off, i tried that :) | 09:32 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ah, so if it's not enough, to get booted, no alarm | 09:32 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: might not be a bad idea to have a small boot sequence for alarm only? | 09:33 |
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| pp_ | AL13N_work: together is a bit unorganized, I think, but maybe could be done in a useful way :P | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | somebody said that the n9 at least didn't have to boot all harmattan for the alarm, but am unsure | 09:33 |
| AL13N_work | pp_: when the search will work, it'll be a great resource for later | 09:34 |
| pp_ | "What 3rd party repos give me all the usual unix tools yet don't break everything" | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | anyway, don't leave the phone without charge if you gotta wake up for work or to catch a plane or anything | 09:34 |
| pp_ | "What tricks do I need to know in the android stuff?" | 09:34 |
| AL13N_work | pp_: plz contribute :-) | 09:34 |
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| AL13N_work | pp_: but try search first, problem is that search doesn't work as well as it could | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | and i discovered yesterday that you can't delete posts that have upvotes :( | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | so the place gets a bit cluttered | 09:35 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: you should notify eric or someone else to get rid of that for you | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | can you priv people? | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | or send messages or similar? | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | i just always did @eric and somehow he always checks my messages :-) | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | put it on the answer that's gonna be deleted :-) | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | well, my intention to delete is in the question itslef anyway | 09:37 |
| AL13N_work | or that | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | and a sad smiley that i can't | 09:38 |
| AL13N_work | you could still close as dupliate | 09:38 |
| AL13N_work | *duplicate | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | ofc | 09:38 |
| AL13N_work | or for another reason | 09:38 |
| AL13N_work | and there's flagging too | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | no, it was closed as duplicate | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | i think i raised another 1 or 2 like that but could delete early enough | 09:38 |
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| * ggabriel doesn't like duplicates :) | 09:39 | |
| AL13N_work | i have no qualms with that, just that the search should be more forthcoming with removing those :-) | 09:39 |
| AL13N_work | or like hide by default or something | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | it can certainly be a filter | 09:39 |
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| ggabriel | but i'm guessing the search isn't that sophistimacated | 09:40 |
| AL13N_work | only the autocomplete part of the search is useful atm | 09:40 |
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| pp_ | ah, there's even an option for wiki-style things there | 09:51 |
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| ggabriel | is it pitch to zoom or pinch to zoom? | 09:54 |
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| suosaask1 | pinch | 09:56 |
| tango_ | yeah, pitching to zoom would require a much more solidly built phone | 09:57 |
| ballock | you mean it would go pitch black? | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | the only pitching i know is the sales pitching :P | 09:58 |
| tango_ | ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baseball_pitching_motion_2004.jpg | 09:59 |
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| tango_ | what happened to the h? | 09:59 |
| tango_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baseball_pitching_motion_2004.jpg | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | judgding by the guy's face, it'd require a sturdier device and a lot of effort to pitch to zoom | 10:01 |
| stephg | morning campers | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | hey there | 10:03 |
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| flux | lies! the camera application doesn't show the picture it took! | 10:27 |
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| ggabriel | flux: huh? swipe to the right? | 10:28 |
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| tango_ | it shows the pictured you _would have liked to take_ | 10:28 |
| stephg | it does? just swipe left (and note that it'll show it in any orientation ;) ) | 10:28 |
| tango_ | amazing, isn't it? | 10:28 |
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| flux | gabriel9, I mean it's not the same frame | 10:28 |
| flux | I saw that the blinking leds were on | 10:28 |
| flux | but they were off in the picture | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | i think i get you | 10:29 |
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| ggabriel | interesting | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | ok, doesn't happen to me | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | as in... i aim, take a picture, swipe to the right and see what i took | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | unless you configured a different aspect ratio? | 10:30 |
| flux | ggabriel, are you taking a picture of something that changes? | 10:31 |
| flux | easy way to reproduce (with linux): 1) seq 1 99999 | figlet 2) take picture 3) pay attention to the frame it shows in the camera app just after taking the shot 4) show latest taken picture 5) notice that the numbers are not the same | 10:33 |
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| ggabriel | ah, you mean that frame :) | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | flux: you scare me | 10:34 |
| flux | stskeeps, I'm a scary guy | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | it's an interesting find if you want to do real photography me thinks | 10:35 |
| flux | well I wanted to take a shot where the blinking 7-segment display was lit | 10:35 |
| flux | and I was happy having done it succesfully | 10:35 |
| flux | but they weren't lit in the image :) | 10:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | flux: shutter delay is a real thing | 10:40 |
| flux | yes | 10:40 |
| flux | but it should show the picture I took | 10:40 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: As is perceptual delay | 10:40 |
| flux | though I understand it might not be optimal | 10:40 |
| flux | from performance point of view | 10:40 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera preview is not the same as the shot | 10:40 |
| flux | indeed! | 10:41 |
| flux | the preview camera stops when you take the picture | 10:41 |
| flux | giving the perception it's the image you took | 10:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - right - you mean it should update the picture, show it for time t, and then hide it. | 10:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Quite arguable. | 10:41 |
| flux | yeah. I haven't noticed what happens on other cameras/phones though, I've always assumed it's the shot I took | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | flux: varies | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | in my experience: n9/iphone 4 do as you say | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | htc j one doesn't, it's very bad indeed :) | 10:42 |
| atlaz | flux: just hit the shutter-button like 5/sec! | 10:43 |
| gabriel9 | what | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | gabriel9: you got mistaken again :) sorry | 10:45 |
| gabriel9 | np :) | 10:45 |
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| gabriel9 | what's eta for jolla delivery? | 10:46 |
| Waitee | delivered | 10:46 |
| Waitee | no idea | 10:46 |
| atlaz | -4 weeks | 10:46 |
| Waitee | i ordered in june | 10:46 |
| Waitee | :D | 10:46 |
| gabriel9 | 4 weeks | 10:47 |
| Pnuu | gabriel9: for new orders I believe it's 3-4 weeks | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | mine took ~3 weeks | 10:47 |
| gabriel9 | k | 10:47 |
| atlaz | ggabriel and gabriel are too damn close | 10:47 |
| atlaz | *gabriel9 | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | flux: i found something more annoying while trying to test your use case | 10:47 |
| gabriel9 | so i will wait 2-3 weeks more :/ | 10:47 |
| atlaz | gabriel9: Capitalize your first letter in your nick so we can see the difference! | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: i used to be gabrielg, but ggabriel is a bit better | 10:48 |
| trashin | Deliver before 4pm today (Norway) | 10:48 |
| flux | ggabriel, hm? | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | flux: it goes to sleep while you wait to take a shot! | 10:48 |
| flux | heh | 10:48 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | which arguments/ switches should one append to mkfs.btrfs /dev/partition command when formatting a sd card to use btrfs file system? | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | c0ck4m0u53: none :) it detects it automagically | 11:12 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | lovely, much obliged ggabriel | 11:13 |
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| ggabriel | so, in the next feature update i'll need to go through all my questions and close accordingly | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | i should stop asking questions | 11:35 |
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| Pnuu | :-D | 11:36 |
| Venemo | viq: ping | 11:36 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: don't get your hopes up | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: why? | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | crap! that was another question :D | 11:36 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: after the last update I just added new bugreports to together but didn't find any among them that was fixed | 11:36 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: i was thinking more about new features that will invalidate some of my questions | 11:37 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: also, even some of them which were marked fixed in the changelog were not really fixed | 11:37 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: and they really shouldn't develop any new features as long as they have this many bugs | 11:37 |
| Venemo | okay, I might've sounded a bit pessimistic there | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: uhm... i can live with some of the bugs tbh, and prefer to have lte and caldav for instance | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | nb: some != all ;-) | 11:38 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: the previous update was too close to opening of together, so I'm not surprised that few reported bugs were fixed | 11:38 |
| Venemo | yes, LTE and caldav would be welcome, but FIRST they should get busy on that poor excuse of a browser they have, and then that even poorer excuse of an email client | 11:39 |
| Pnuu | and those were propably already known for the devs | 11:39 |
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| Venemo | first, the browser doesn't support tabs - this is, for me, unacceptable in 2014 | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: how do you mean? | 11:40 |
| Venemo | and then, the email client fails at almost every aspect it does, which is even worse | 11:40 |
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| ggabriel | the thing is: because browser and client are mostly ux, they will improve | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | but lte and caldav are mostly backend, so while they may be as complex, their "stable" state should be easy to figure out | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | easier* | 11:42 |
| Venemo | sure, I'm just saying that it's unwise to spend manpower on something new as long as you have several dozens of defects to fix | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | depends who does what imho | 11:42 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, in general i agree | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | browser doesn't support tabs? | 11:43 |
| AL13N_work | i thought i saw stuff about browser tabs in together? | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | browser has tabs | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | maybe Venemo means that they get reloaded | 11:43 |
| Venemo | it doesn't have tabs | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: how do you mean? | 11:44 |
| Venemo | definition of a tab is that it doesn't get reloaded | 11:44 |
| Pnuu | it has, but they act like bookmarks | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: well, ok, you don't like tabs being reloaded | 11:44 |
| AL13N_work | right | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | exactly | 11:44 |
| ggabriel | that sucks a little bit, but they claim it's a memory problem they are working on | 11:45 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: it's not "I don't like" it's by definition a defect | 11:45 |
| Venemo | currently, what looks like tabs is just a bunch of bookmarks with thumbnails | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: source? | 11:45 |
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| AL13N_work | ggabriel: FF and memory problem... <-- no way!?! :-) | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: ff is actually quite good these days | 11:45 |
| Venemo | anyway, if a crappy cheap Firefox OS phone can have tabs, I don't see why Jolla using the same rendering engine doesn't | 11:45 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: not for me, i have too many tabs | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: i must have about 50-70 in too many windows | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | then again, not all are loaded | 11:46 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: i keep restoring session | 11:46 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/373/tab-reloading-browser-settings/?answer=2725#post-id-2725 | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | since FF 1.5 | 11:47 |
| Venemo | yes, memory issue is a bad excuse | 11:47 |
| AL13N_work | but FF is hogging memory like crazy | 11:47 |
| Venemo | like I said, if a much more low-end firefox os device can handle it, jolla SHOULD definitely be able to handle it too | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: maybe that low end ff device runs out of memory too soon? | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: really? i'm on a fairly recent 64bit version and in general uses less memory than chromium/opera | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | (which allegedly are far superior but i think that's a myth) | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | from 3.6 on it went worse with every version | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: they probably didn't have time to check it out yet | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | i have full confidence that they'll git this fixed | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: what version are you on? | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | 24.1 ESR atm | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure they'll fix the browser behaviour too, but in the meantime i can live with it | 11:50 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: it works okay | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | ggabriel: and landscaping | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: that's odd | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | +1 landscaping | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | probably more important than tabs to me | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | of course i want both now ;) | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | ic | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yeap, it works ok, some issues with links here and there though | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | and other things | 11:51 |
| AL13N_work | i guess some people need to watch their "pictures" in the best way :-) | 11:51 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I was answering your question about FXOS | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: ok, misunderstood | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: do you have a tab limit, out of curiosity? | 11:52 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: tab limit for what? | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | in ff os | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | like, can you open 100 tabs or does it stop at some point? | 11:53 |
| Venemo | I think it unloads tabs when it runs out of memory | 11:53 |
| Venemo | so it's pretty smart | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | nice | 11:53 |
| Venemo | used it for a month or so, just to see how it is | 11:53 |
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| Venemo | on some occasions it did reload tabs, but only when there were a lot of other things running in the background, ie. low memory circumstances | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | unsurprising really, given that ff os is all about the browser, they must put a lot of work into it | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | must have put even | 11:56 |
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| dazo | Anyone got issues with the SD card "integration"? I have all my music and photos from my old phone on the SD card, and it worked fine on the Jolla for some hours ... then it just disappeared and never came back ... what could be the trouble? | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | dazo: how did you get your music and photos from the card? did you make any symlink or did it "just work"? | 12:04 |
| dazo | it did "just work" ... well, it probably took a few minutes before it found it ... I might even have had a reboot, don't recall ... but I've tried to reboot after it disappeared, but it didn't help | 12:05 |
| Pnuu | yeah, worked for me also right away | 12:05 |
| AL13N_work | i don't get this, i thought SD cards didn't mount by default, unless FAT32? | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't know, my guess is that tracker for some reason lost the data | 12:06 |
| Pnuu | the indexing might get a while | 12:06 |
| Pnuu | get? take a while :-P | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | dazo: maybe remove the card, reboot, reinsert the card? | 12:06 |
| dazo | Pnuu: 20-30 hours, should be more than a while "a while" | 12:06 |
| dazo | ggabriel: that's probably the only combination I didn't try yet :) | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | there are ways to trigger indexing from the terminal, but if you want it to "just work", that may not be an option | 12:06 |
| AL13N_work | i'd file a bug on together that it happened | 12:07 |
| dazo | ggabriel: I can live with triggering the index manually ... unless I have to do it on a daily basis :) | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | that without rebooting you somehow lost connection to SD or that it "disappeared" or something | 12:07 |
| AL13N_work | dazo: at least let them know you do have this problem | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | dazo: yeah, definitely search/report in together.j.c | 12:08 |
| dazo | AL13N_work: agreed! Just wanted to be sure it was something "unknown" before filing a bug | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | i can't quite remember how to trigger indexing | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | dazo: many issues with the sd card at the moment actually :) | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | i can make it work, but it requires terminal, mounting, symlinking, loads of fun stuff | 12:08 |
| dazo | ggabriel: that would be my plan B :) | 12:09 |
| pigletto | dazo: I had similar issues with photos from my SDCard | 12:10 |
| dazo | I've disabled tohd though ... not sure if that may have been related | 12:10 |
| pigletto | sometimes these are indexed (visible in Gallery app) | 12:10 |
| pigletto | and sometimes photos disappear... usually they're visible again after reboot | 12:10 |
| Venemo | hey | 12:11 |
| dazo | ggabriel: that worked, actually! (remove SD, reboot, install SD) | 12:12 |
| Venemo | how can I make tracker forget all my music and make it reindex everything again? | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: all i can say is that i recall seeing it in this channel, so you'll have to grep the logs :) | 12:13 |
| AL13N_work | maybe i should just have a 16GB btrfs partition on a 64GB SD and hot-add it to / for balancing (backup) purposes | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | dazo: good stuff :) | 12:14 |
| dazo | AL13N_work: if that works ... that'd be an awesome trick! | 12:15 |
| * dazo hunts down some SD related stuff on toghether.j.c | 12:15 | |
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| sharpneli | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan states that Sailfish should have libsdl2 | 12:42 |
| sharpneli | However I cannot find the include files and nor the libraries nor the package itself on the sdk | 12:42 |
| sharpneli | Nor can I find the lib in the actual device. | 12:43 |
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| Kiranos | sharpneli: try #sailfishos | 12:43 |
| valdur55 | i have theory about wrong swipes in n9.... Can someone | 12:44 |
| valdur55 | help me.. with real device... | 12:44 |
| tango_ | sure, buy me one | 12:44 |
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| sharpneli | Kiranos: That doesn't help with Jolla not having the lib installed | 12:48 |
| viq | Bah, it's telling me an update is available yet again... Any idea what I can do about that? | 12:48 |
| valdur55 | can someone edit /var/lib/environment/*.conf (there is only on file which name i doesn't remeber) and replace rotate=0 with rotate=90 . And restart lipstick | 12:48 |
| Tofe | valdur55: you should mention that you are asking to do that on an *N9*, which is far from obvious in the #jollamobile channel... | 12:49 |
| valdur55 | it should turn only edge swipes to landscape ... | 12:49 |
| valdur55 | Tofe: no. i wan't to know what happens when you do this change in jolla device | 12:50 |
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| Tofe | ah ok. Well, it won't be me then, I don't have a double boot safety option :) | 12:50 |
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| sharpneli | Managed to find it :p | 12:51 |
| valdur55 | if it do what i hope, then it confirms my idea :) | 12:51 |
| valdur55 | basically same effect will occur also in emulator | 12:52 |
| Tofe | valdur55: it's not the same driver though, so the implementation may differ | 12:52 |
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| valdur55 | but software have same logic | 12:54 |
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| HtheB | yo | 13:00 |
| HtheB | valdur55: sup | 13:02 |
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| valdur55 | HtheB: hey! | 13:05 |
| HtheB | vote please https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 13:05 |
| HtheB | :D | 13:05 |
| Pnuu | :-P | 13:05 |
| HtheB | haha | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | I'll downvote in a moment ;-) | 13:06 |
| HtheB | >.< | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | btw, you don't have a image there, but the text points to it | 13:07 |
| HtheB | thats a bug in Together | 13:08 |
| HtheB | refresh the page | 13:08 |
| HtheB | and you need to wait a bit | 13:08 |
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| HtheB | got it? | 13:10 |
| Pnuu | yeah | 13:10 |
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| ggabriel | HtheB: you got my vote | 13:12 |
| HtheB | thnx, I hope this will be available | 13:12 |
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| ggabriel | HtheB: tricky design thing IMO, but it's good enough that they know it's a concern | 13:18 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps also said such thing | 13:18 |
| HtheB | it shouldnt be hard | 13:18 |
| HtheB | enable it, will disable the buttons and will put an option on the Notification center | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | i'm not a ux expert, but i definitely like sailfish's ui, so i'll leave that to the experts ;) | 13:18 |
| HtheB | that all it should do | 13:19 |
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| Milo- | is ID3v2 a planned feature for any near future updates? | 14:29 |
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| Milo- | it would make mediaplayer ever so much better | 14:30 |
| covox | Milo-: isn't it already there? it just uses gstreamer AFAIK | 14:30 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/jolla/songlist.png | 14:31 |
| Milo- | this says no. | 14:31 |
| Milo- | as far as I got nokia music store uses ID3v2 nd those songs appear as unknown by unknown | 14:32 |
| covox | interesting | 14:33 |
| __pv_ | I have only id3v2 tags, and they display ok | 14:34 |
| covox | can you send me a sample over dropbox? | 14:34 |
| Milo- | I don't use dropbox, but I'll pm you with a link if you promise not to tell the cops, or teostomafia | 14:34 |
| Milo- | gah, im notification pauses the music. | 14:35 |
| covox | you have my word as an australian | 14:35 |
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| atlaz | wait, isn't everything upside down in austrialia? "You have my word" might mean "you don't have my word"! | 14:36 |
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| covox | nah, everyone in the northern hemisphere is the wrong way up | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | you're both wrong... the world is flat | 14:38 |
| Milo- | I always thought aussies were backstabbers | 14:38 |
| Milo- | uploading.. stay on hold | 14:39 |
| covox | Milo-: where'd you hear that? it's all about mateship down here | 14:39 |
| covox | buying the first pint, helping a fellow digger out with his ID3V2 tags, etc. | 14:39 |
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| atlaz | u wot m8? | 14:41 |
| Milo- | stupid 3G | 14:42 |
| atlaz | Well gotta get home before covox starts living too much in the future for my taste | 14:42 |
| Milo- | why didn't I ssh to home and send it from there | 14:42 |
| atlaz | CTCP TIME reply from covox: Fri Jan 3 22:42:00 2014 <> CTCP TIME reply from tehdely: Fri Jan 3 06:42:43 2014 | 14:43 |
| atlaz | I love this channel | 14:43 |
| covox | atlaz: if you'd like future news, so far friday night has been pretty banging | 14:44 |
| covox | you're in for a real treat | 14:44 |
| tango_ | atlaz: likely different timezones? | 14:44 |
| Milo- | covox ack when I can rm it | 14:45 |
| covox | Milo-: ack | 14:46 |
| Milo- | cheers | 14:47 |
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| covox | weird... can't be gstreamer, my code picks up the tags fine | 14:51 |
| covox | maybe tracker? I'll try copying it to the device | 14:51 |
| covox | okay, copied track over with SSH and jolla picked up the tags | 14:53 |
| covox | also just noticed your screenshot has no durations for the tracks, did they actually copy over properly? MTP could have ballsed up | 14:55 |
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| Milo- | hmmm but the file you got is one from my phone | 15:00 |
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| covox | perhaps tracker crashed partway through an index? | 15:00 |
| Milo- | manual override? | 15:01 |
| covox | not sure, but you could try moving a few of the MP3 folders in and out of ~/Music | 15:02 |
| Milo- | ok | 15:02 |
| covox | visit "All songs" in between | 15:02 |
| Milo- | covox that fixed it | 15:04 |
| Milo- | cheers mate | 15:04 |
| Milo- | I'll give you a permission to take a pint | 15:05 |
| covox | way ahead of you ;) | 15:06 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | is there a config file to set a smaller font size in messaging app? | 16:40 |
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| petantik | is there hardware support for in line headphone control? | 16:49 |
| Pnuu | petantik: https://together.jolla.com/question/2771/ear-plugs-button-is-not-supported/ | 16:49 |
| Pnuu | is that related? | 16:50 |
| petantik | Pnuu: Ah yes, but with the addition of volume keys too. | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/9599/what-would-you-do-with-a-very-large-touchscreen-able-to-run-sailfish/ | 16:53 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: why this?... | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | why not :) | 16:54 |
| petantik | I'd end up dropping it. | 16:54 |
| HtheB | I think they should first fix all the mess before asking such thing :/ | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | this is skunkworks | 16:54 |
| HtheB | skunk or not... I prefer bug fixes :D | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | and it's me asking | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:skunkworks/page:1/ | 16:55 |
| tango_ | well, the sideswipes are a no-no on large screens | 16:55 |
| tango_ | what's skunkworks? | 16:55 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: we can only have 5 tags | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunkworks_project | 16:56 |
| petantik | I think the single hand gestures would be great on a docked touchscreen | 16:56 |
| HtheB | maybe expanding could help | 16:56 |
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| tango_ | oh I noticed the explanation there too | 16:56 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: so my idea is also a skunkworks? | 16:57 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 16:57 |
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| HtheB | talking about that one | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | HtheB: it's a little closer than 6 months of development, i'd say | 16:58 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: so the tabs-in-separate-stacked-covers idea would be skunkworks instead? | 16:59 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: that's a difficult subject :) | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | tango_: i haven't read it, but is it an immediately actionable item that can be done in short term? | 17:02 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: I can't find the tjc post 8-/ | 17:02 |
| tango_ | stupid search | 17:03 |
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| petantik | Stskeeps: What would you like to see, software wise after 6 months? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | petantik: i'd like to take advantage of that sailfishos is built in 2014 and not the 90's, with the availability of networking and ability to connect with big and small | 17:05 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: do you feel current leading OSes look more like built in 90s? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | for sure | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | (90's is unfair, but 14 years ago) | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun app. | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | https://github.com/thearn/webcam-pulse-detector | 17:07 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: with any exception? which OS do you think is most advanced? | 17:08 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, I tried one of those, it really works | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: you mean the press finger agaisnt? | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | because this isn't that | 17:08 |
| faenil | yep | 17:08 |
| faenil | ah ok | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been going on about the above for ages. | 17:09 |
| petantik | you can actualy do it from looking at your face too | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Any exposed skin really | 17:09 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:09 |
| petantik | I've seen it in action at Philips. | 17:09 |
| faenil | I was surprised that a normal phone camera could do it though | 17:09 |
| petantik | pretty strange to walk by na dget a pulse measurement. | 17:09 |
| petantik | and* | 17:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Now imagine a 'find people whos heartrate spikes when they look at me' app. | 17:10 |
| faenil | but that was a particularly nice camera maybe? | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | (results may be skewed if you hold up the phone visibly) | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It just requires any webcam | 17:10 |
| faenil | I mean, it's about image analysis isn't it | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Or, indeed, phone camera | 17:11 |
| faenil | if the image is too bad you can't get info out of it | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes - but in decent light, with the subject covering a decent number of pixels. | 17:11 |
| petantik | i think accuracy will decrease if you don't stay still enough. | 17:11 |
| faenil | yes, for example | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If the pixels are independant, and you have a 100*100 area covered by skin, you then have 100 times less noise. | 17:11 |
| petantik | so there are other considerations, apart from the fundamental algorithm | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | (sqrt(10000)) | 17:11 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | what about google glass and its camrea | 17:12 |
| faenil | I mean it's not like from 5m away you get pulse of people (just for the audience :P) | 17:12 |
| faenil | it needs special conditions | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: I'm not sure. With decent lighting and cameras. | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Black people are clearly going to be a problem. | 17:13 |
| ottulo | by the way, to any Finn around here: DNA has received Jolla screen protectors today | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | But pale skinned ones should be easy | 17:13 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, yeah of course if you have zoom and auto zoom centering | 17:13 |
| ottulo | at least some of their store | 17:13 |
| ottulo | s | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: I wasn't meaning that. | 17:13 |
| petantik | finally, i can take the plastic bag off my jolla. | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: Just 'background' people in shots of people on media say | 17:13 |
| faenil | mmm | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ottulo: i should go buy one.. | 17:14 |
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| ottulo | Stskeeps: I'm still kinda getting used to it... | 17:15 |
| ottulo | the screen itself really is smooth | 17:15 |
| ottulo | the plastic on it now has plenty more grip | 17:15 |
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| * SpeedEvil mehs. | 17:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | I was sort of 20% through making my own protectors for sale. | 17:16 |
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| petantik | Music mode for jolla. Use gestures to change tracks and volumes. Even with screen off. That would be cool. | 17:17 |
| HtheB | I cant see how long the track is :( | 17:18 |
| HtheB | in the music app | 17:18 |
| petantik | although dealing with papercuts is probably better for now. | 17:20 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: found a design flaw :P | 17:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Viquiti makes jolla screen protectors now | 17:30 |
| HtheB | link pls | 17:31 |
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| HtheB | ShadowJK ? | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | sec | 17:36 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/9620/asking-for-lock-code-when-turning-onrebooting-the-phone/ | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.protectionfilms24.com/search.html?searchfield=jolla | 17:38 |
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| HtheB | aren't these "universal" screen protectors? | 17:38 |
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| ShadowJK | The ones I've ordered for N900 have been cut | 17:41 |
| HtheB | which one is good? | 17:43 |
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| HtheB | 7 pounds is a bit expensive though | 17:43 |
| Jonni | HtheB: are you on 1.0.2.5? | 17:44 |
| HtheB | Jonni: yes | 17:44 |
| Jonni | HtheB: hmm, then its wierd as I've could have sweared that it was working unless there has been regression.... I'll do some testing... | 17:45 |
| HtheB | Jonni: hang on | 17:45 |
| HtheB | give me 1 second | 17:46 |
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| HtheB | thats weird | 17:46 |
| HtheB | :/ | 17:46 |
| HtheB | it does ask for a code now | 17:46 |
| HtheB | it didn't before | 17:47 |
| HtheB | but to be honest, I dont know if it was before or after the update >.< | 17:47 |
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| Jonni | HtheB: I think that I did some improvements on 1.0.2.5 devicelock version, so it should work. | 17:47 |
| HtheB | Thanks Jonni | 17:49 |
| Jonni | HtheB: works for me atleast, so I cannot reproduce the bug. | 17:50 |
| HtheB | Jonni: yeah, seems like the newest update fixed it | 17:50 |
| HtheB | already closed the question | 17:50 |
| HtheB | sorry for the truoble | 17:50 |
| HtheB | trouble | 17:50 |
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| HtheB | M4rtinK: opera works! | 18:23 |
| HtheB | the classic one | 18:23 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: oh, nice! :) | 18:26 |
| HtheB | download it from my website | 18:26 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: due to the latest Sailfish update or different package ? | 18:27 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: will do, thanks! :) | 18:27 |
| HtheB | Dont know | 18:27 |
| HtheB | somehow, I just downloaded again, and it worked | 18:27 |
| HtheB | so I took a backup of the apk | 18:27 |
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| Tofe | so, I am at home, I have both wifi and mobile data enabled: why doesn't it switch to wifi ? | 18:36 |
| Tofe | If I disable mobile data, it instantly connects to wifi... | 18:36 |
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| AL13N | i have no idea what this dude is on, or what he even means... https://together.jolla.com/question/9597/blacklist-pryvacy/ | 18:40 |
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| Plnt | AL13N: maybe something related to adding rights like in android for sailfish apps | 18:43 |
| Plnt | AL13N: but that's just my guess ;) | 18:43 |
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| AL13N | he could be anti-security for all i know | 18:43 |
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| Pnuu | I'm closing it as a duplicate of this: https://together.jolla.com/question/7614/blocklist-for-phone-calls-and-sms/ | 18:45 |
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| Bysmyyr | HtheB: android opera mini? | 18:58 |
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| HtheB | Bysmyyr: Android Opera Classic, not mini | 18:59 |
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| Bysmyyr | difference? | 19:03 |
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| HtheB | Bysmyyr: mini sucks | 19:04 |
| HtheB | it's a huge difference | 19:04 |
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| Bysmyyr | its limited, but I get used to it with e71 | 19:07 |
| Bysmyyr | I have here 500m data limit so it is very usefull | 19:07 |
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| HtheB | Bysmyyr: I have 10GB :P | 19:10 |
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| Venemo | hey | 19:11 |
| HtheB | hey | 19:11 |
| Bysmyyr | luckily I go back Finland next moth (unlimited) here in this operator, 1,5GB is biggest what they offer | 19:12 |
| Bysmyyr | I do not see any difference between mini and classic so far | 19:12 |
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| AL13N | i posted 2 related ideas (i hope people are not gonna be mad at me): https://together.jolla.com/question/9663/app-api-model/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/ | 19:16 |
| AL13N | i only ask that you read it and ask for clarification before you put it down | 19:16 |
| AL13N | i think this is a very extensible and non-limiting idea that could help with extended functionalities AND for security! | 19:16 |
| AL13N | Plnt: Pnuu: ggabriel: ^^ | 19:17 |
| AL13N | gtg for a bit, RL calls | 19:17 |
| HtheB | Bysmyyr: mini = proxy | 19:18 |
| HtheB | no Desktop agent | 19:18 |
| HtheB | mini is no 'real' browser | 19:18 |
| Bysmyyr | hmm, thats true. classic is both | 19:19 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: interesting idea | 19:20 |
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| Pnuu | AL13N: consider adding "api" tags | 19:35 |
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| AL13N | in both? | 19:36 |
| Pnuu | yeah | 19:36 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: ? | 19:36 |
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| AL13N | Pnuu: i fear some people will think i'm trying to reget the aegis system back in, but it's totally different | 19:38 |
| Pnuu | I'll link those to #sailfishos, let's see how they view the ideas | 19:38 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: special: Aard: WDYT? https://together.jolla.com/question/9663/app-api-model/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/ | 19:40 |
| AL13N | fk_lx: ^^ ? | 19:40 |
| fk_lx | AL13N: ? | 19:41 |
| fk_lx | ahh, well, interesting | 19:41 |
| AL13N | i'm trying to keep it not-limiting, easy enough for devs, and allowing app interaction, but still be good for security and privacy | 19:42 |
| AL13N | fk_lx: i've been brooding on this kind of thing for a while | 19:42 |
| fk_lx | mhm | 19:43 |
| AL13N | if you have comments or clarifications needed, plz tell me, so i can clarify | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | I need to read it first, so wait a sec/minure | 19:43 |
| AL13N | lol | 19:43 |
| AL13N | ok | 19:43 |
| fk_lx | well I think the idea seems worth considering, voting for the first one | 19:44 |
| fk_lx | now let see next one | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: you just reinvented dbus | 19:48 |
| fk_lx | hehe :-) | 19:49 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i think i saw something similar in some jolla interview | 19:49 |
| Venemo | AL13N: there's nothing in the "app API model" post you couldn't do with D-Bus and it's already part of the OS | 19:49 |
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| AL13N | Venemo: i'm not saying dbus could be used | 19:53 |
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| AL13N | i would just like to formalize it, so that apps can rely on a versioning scheme | 19:53 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: "could be used" or "couldn't be used"? | 19:54 |
| AL13N | couldn't be used | 19:55 |
| AL13N | but then you gathered that, i guess | 19:55 |
| Pnuu | thought so :-) | 19:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/30/jolla-first-phone/ | 19:55 |
| AL13N | i'm sort of rephrasing what i put on http://elinux.org/Jolla | 19:56 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | "Instead of users harvesting data from multiple apps and places individually within a device, Dillon envisages a platform where more and more apps plug into each other to funnel data to where it.s needed rather than sitting in separate silos that the user is required to visit." | 19:56 |
| AL13N | yes, i've read that too | 19:57 |
| AL13N | tbh, not alot is done yet at this time | 19:57 |
| AL13N | i feel that Jolla apps should lead by default (also for this kind of thing) | 19:58 |
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| AJAX555 | how is this possible | 20:01 |
| AJAX555 | I have never received MMS message.. but now I received one.. | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone sent you one? | 20:02 |
| AJAX555 | yes | 20:02 |
| AJAX555 | now I have no idea what it was about | 20:03 |
| tehdely | 34 hours since last charge | 20:04 |
| tehdely | moderate usage | 20:04 |
| Venemo | tehdely: how much % is the battery? | 20:04 |
| tehdely | 28% left :) | 20:05 |
| tehdely | impressive | 20:05 |
| AJAX555 | I charge my jolla every night | 20:05 |
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| AJAX555 | even if I dont even need to | 20:06 |
| Venemo | me too | 20:06 |
| tehdely | I'm trying to run it down a few times | 20:06 |
| AL13N | AJAX555: you sure it was MSS and not something else? | 20:06 |
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| Venemo | I don't want to risk it running out of battery in case I need something heavy | 20:06 |
| tehdely | just to get an idea of what it's capable of | 20:06 |
| AJAX555 | AL13N: I'm pretty much sure it was mms | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: i'm not allowed to drink and together.* | 20:06 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: you aren't? :P | 20:07 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: lol, np | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | no, the other posts are when i'm high | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 20:07 |
| AL13N | i though finnish people just drank on the job too --> Riot Entertainment | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | well | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not going to comment on that | 20:08 |
| AL13N | lol | 20:08 |
| AL13N | then you're not drunk enough :-) | 20:08 |
| Venemo | AL13N: note that Stskeeps is not Finnish | 20:08 |
| AL13N | ah | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | not even polish | 20:08 |
| AL13N | Venemo: yeah, i realised that Jolla employees are actually from all over | 20:08 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: surely danes have to drink away the sorrow of being danish too ;) | 20:09 |
| * w00t runs away | 20:09 | |
| Venemo | our Stskeeps is from Denmark if I remember correctly | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: sorrow from being away from liver pate and curry herring | 20:09 |
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| Pnuu | og smoerrebröd | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | oh hey, i have to go to tampere in march, there's a smoerrebroed place there.. | 20:10 |
| AL13N | smœrrebröd | 20:10 |
| ighea | Less talking and more fixing of the bugs on sailfishos! x) | 20:10 |
| Pnuu | hmm, now I'm going to hunt some solar cells | 20:10 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: you're gonna do it? | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: go and try hot-wings at captain hokk | 20:11 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: make the solar+ extra bat + extra flash + security chip TOH? | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: I'm sure gonna try :-D | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | try&fry, prolly :-P | 20:11 |
| AL13N | heh | 20:11 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, jolla email can't handle other email clients reading email in same imap inbox... | 20:12 |
| Venemo | AL13N: you mean solar charger + extra battery + hardwarekeyboard? | 20:12 |
| Pnuu | also, I'll need to get my hands on a 3D printer | 20:12 |
| AL13N | Venemo: no, i don't :-) | 20:12 |
| Venemo | mcfrisk: jolla email is a very poor excuse for an email client | 20:13 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: you're gonna try and 3D print one? | 20:13 |
| Pnuu | mcfrisk: report that, too | 20:13 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: i don't know if the quality is really good enough if you 3D print one | 20:13 |
| Pnuu | AL13N: there were some scetches available | 20:13 |
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| Venemo | mcfrisk: look at this: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/tags:email,bug/page:1/ | 20:14 |
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| Pnuu | but that'd be better as a first try than to make a hole in the LE TOH :-P | 20:14 |
| Venemo | spoiler alert: it's an awful lot of bugs | 20:14 |
| Pnuu | also: whole lotta venemo :-D | 20:14 |
| AL13N | Pnuu: good point | 20:14 |
| AL13N | Venemo: i've seen that... and holiday period isn't even over yet | 20:15 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: vote please! | 20:17 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: I haven't tested the email app | 20:18 |
| Pnuu | actually, I haven't installed it.. | 20:18 |
| Pnuu | +even | 20:19 |
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| Venemo | Pnuu: but I bet the vote up button is there for you on together | 20:21 |
| Pnuu | but I can't confirm the bugs | 20:22 |
| Venemo | I already confirmed them for you! | 20:23 |
| Venemo | AL13N: I added an answer to you post and explained a bit about what dbus is and how we can use it to implement your suggestion | 20:24 |
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| Milhouse | is there a reason why swap isn't enabled as standard on R-Pi builds? | 20:30 |
| Milhouse | arse, wrong channel | 20:30 |
| Milhouse | (was meant for #openelec) :) | 20:31 |
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| CraigA | hey anyone here know any mobile troubleshooting techniques | 21:03 |
| CraigA | my provider support are a bunch of daft idiots | 21:03 |
| CraigA | they won't help me because I'm using a Jolla | 21:03 |
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| CraigA | SMS is going through, calls are not | 21:03 |
| tehdely | i can only imagine if i ever tried to get suppor from AT&T | 21:04 |
| CraigA | yeah I'm in that boat. AT&T of the North | 21:04 |
| tehdely | bell? | 21:04 |
| CraigA | Rogers | 21:04 |
| CraigA | same crappy support as AT*T | 21:04 |
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| tehdely | i'm just curious, what's the symptom you're getting | 21:05 |
| CraigA | sms going through, calls go straight to the "disconnect" beep | 21:05 |
| CraigA | and incoming calls are going straight to voicemail | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | CraigA: https://together.jolla.com/question/942/did-you-have-trouble-with-your-jolla-not-discovering-gprs3g-data-settings/ | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps might be interested | 21:06 |
| tehdely | CraigA: that reminds me of a problem i had with t-mobile once, that turned out to be an improperly-activated SIM | 21:06 |
| tehdely | but i'm assuming you just brought your SIM over from another phone where it was already working? | 21:06 |
| CraigA | no, i've been using it since december 20th when I got the phone | 21:07 |
| tehdely | wow you got yours early | 21:07 |
| tehdely | order in the 1st round? | 21:07 |
| CraigA | yeah | 21:07 |
| CraigA | shipped to UK, then forwarded to me | 21:07 |
| tehdely | friend in finland? :P | 21:07 |
| tehdely | oh right, first round was all-europe | 21:07 |
| tehdely | i got in the 2nd. had a friend in tampere order it, then ship to me. | 21:08 |
| tehdely | he sent the Pipo by regular post | 21:08 |
| tehdely | so it should get here soon | 21:08 |
| special | CraigA: do you have another phone you can try the SIM in? | 21:08 |
| CraigA | doing so now | 21:09 |
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| CraigA | just tried another sim in the jolla | 21:09 |
| CraigA | works | 21:09 |
| tehdely | and have you been having the problem since you got the phone | 21:09 |
| CraigA | trying mine in the other phone | 21:09 |
| special | CraigA: you could also try 2G only in the mobile network settings | 21:09 |
| tehdely | tres interessant | 21:09 |
| tehdely | yeah i flipped mine to 2G only | 21:09 |
| tehdely | i figure it's saving the phone a bunch of useless trouble | 21:09 |
| tehdely | special: btw it's been almost 36 hours since last charge and i still have 24% battery left | 21:10 |
| Pnuu | CraigA: did they ask "the what phone?" at the support? :-P | 21:10 |
| CraigA | yup :/ | 21:10 |
| special | and was the other sim that worked in the jolla from the same carrier? | 21:11 |
| CraigA | yeah | 21:12 |
| special | okay, good | 21:12 |
| CraigA | its this stupid sim | 21:12 |
| CraigA | and the even stupider support | 21:12 |
| special | tehdely: is that good or bad? :p | 21:14 |
| tehdely | oh that's good | 21:14 |
| tehdely | that's real good | 21:14 |
| tehdely | maybe i'm just used to my n9 not lasting 16 hours | 21:14 |
| HtheB | does anyone know if TV-OUT is supported by Jolla? | 21:16 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: psxe works great | 21:17 |
| tbr | the device doesn't have a TV-out | 21:18 |
| HtheB | damn | 21:18 |
| HtheB | what a let off | 21:18 |
| HtheB | even the N9 had it :( | 21:18 |
| tbr | *sadtrombone* | 21:18 |
| tbr | 2010 called and wants its feature back | 21:18 |
| tbr | I'd understand MHL, but composite is completely out. | 21:19 |
| Venemo | MHL=? | 21:19 |
| HtheB | tbr: there is no other option... (if they did a HDMI out, than I understand that they didnt add tvout) | 21:20 |
| HtheB | but they didnt add a hdmi out | 21:20 |
| HtheB | so... why not adding composite? | 21:20 |
| HtheB | :( | 21:21 |
| HtheB | with android, it's possible using the microsd out (like on the GSiii and HTC ONE) | 21:22 |
| Venemo | lol at that | 21:22 |
| HtheB | i meant Micro USB port :P | 21:22 |
| HtheB | not sd | 21:22 |
| Venemo | it might be possible, if someone is smart enough to implement it | 21:23 |
| Venemo | make a suggestion for it on together? | 21:23 |
| HtheB | http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/677956684/MHL-Micro-USB-to-HDMI-HDTV-Adapter-for-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-2-II-N7100.jpg | 21:24 |
| HtheB | this one is even working for GS2... | 21:24 |
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| Venemo | HtheB: like I said, make a suggestion about it on together | 21:26 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/1826/hardware-feature-request-otg-and-mhl/ | 21:26 |
| HtheB | seems like there is one | 21:27 |
| Venemo | upvoted | 21:27 |
| Pnuu | also: https://together.jolla.com/question/50/why-its-not-possible-to-use-usb-otg/ | 21:27 |
| Venemo | upvoted too | 21:29 |
| Venemo | nah, gotta go now | 21:30 |
| Venemo | good night :) | 21:30 |
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| AL13N | venemo: thanks | 21:34 |
| AL13N | oi | 21:34 |
| AL13N | he left | 21:34 |
| * pahartik would like to know how to read system log from "Jolla Mobile" device | 21:36 | |
| ljp | journalctl | 21:37 |
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| Pnuu | journalctl -fa (= follow all messages) | 21:37 |
| pahartik | ljp: That seems to help, thank you | 21:37 |
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| * pahartik found out about "Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for file /home/nemo/.ssh/authorized_keys" from log, but no mode change or owner change seems to help | 21:42 | |
| tehdely | .ssh should be 700, authorized_keys should be 600 | 21:43 |
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| pahartik | tehdely: It works now, but first I failed to notice that it worked | 21:45 |
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| Quu | so, how many of you have the mysterious case of random shutdowns? | 21:48 |
| Quu | and anything to make it go away. | 21:48 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: u there? | 21:49 |
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| entil | hey hooray, got my n900 sms importer to the point where it actually inserts data into the comm history \,,/ | 22:02 |
| entil | duplicate checking is still missing and no idea if character encoding works | 22:02 |
| entil | because I couldn't find the message app for the emu anywhere | 22:02 |
| Tujutzki | Quu: do you mean the whole phone shutting down? nope, not that, although all the apps have crashed a few times and then it reverts to an empty home screen | 22:13 |
| Quu | Tujutzki: yes. random shutdowns. happens 2-20 times per day | 22:14 |
| Tujutzki | ouch | 22:14 |
| Morpog_PC | no shitdowns here | 22:14 |
| Morpog_PC | erm, lol | 22:14 |
| Tujutzki | could it be the SIM not connected properly? | 22:15 |
| Quu | why would that kill the phone? | 22:15 |
| Morpog_PC | got an original micro sim | 22:15 |
| Quu | you can remove the simcard withouth phone dying | 22:15 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe you shouldn't do that? | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | is probably not a software issue | 22:16 |
| Quu | tried that because some people said loose simcard boots phones | 22:16 |
| Tujutzki | ok | 22:19 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: poke me when you're there | 22:21 |
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