| eyea | Is the a java vn port for jolla? | 00:01 |
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| eyea | there | 00:02 |
| Venemo | spider-mario: wow | 00:03 |
| suy | eyea: what do you mean? | 00:03 |
| Venemo | eyea: what do you mean by "java vn port" | 00:03 |
| eyea | java.virtual machine | 00:04 |
| eyea | like.fir.the N909 | 00:04 |
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| eyea | N900 | 00:04 |
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| Venemo | I don't think so | 00:08 |
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| Venemo | but am not sure | 00:08 |
| special | there is no java in mer or nemo. | 00:11 |
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| ln- | oh no, wasn't java supposed to work on every platform | 00:14 |
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| zutto | it sure can | 00:16 |
| zutto | but so can many other languages | 00:16 |
| special | so can Qt :> | 00:16 |
| zutto | so can limbo | 00:17 |
| sharpneli | Only if you pay a massive bag of money for Oracle | 00:17 |
| zutto | sharpneli: yep | 00:17 |
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| sharpneli | Or use OpenJDK and get sued by Oracle. :P | 00:17 |
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| Elleo | zorael: okay, cool | 00:52 |
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| Topiset | Good morning and Happy New Year. Anyone here who could help with some Jolla issues at this early time? | 02:48 |
| ottulo | depends on the issue | 02:49 |
| ottulo | better just straight out ask, so anyone who knows can see it when they come around | 02:50 |
| ottulo | or you could just post to together.jolla.com if it's not asked already | 02:50 |
| Topiset | I was actually debugging with Stskeeps, but he is probably not here at this time. | 02:51 |
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| Topiset | I have a question regarding the contact list, maybe someone has had it before: | 02:51 |
| Topiset | If I chose a letter, I see two sets. One with a lighter font, the other more dimmed. Both are sorted alphabetically, but not mixing. | 02:52 |
| Topiset | for example: | 02:52 |
| Topiset | (dimmed) | 02:52 |
| Topiset | Jason | 02:52 |
| Topiset | Jesus | 02:52 |
| Topiset | John | 02:52 |
| Topiset | JUan | 02:52 |
| Topiset | (not dimmed) | 02:53 |
| Topiset | Javier | 02:53 |
| Topiset | Jesse | 02:53 |
| Topiset | Jill | 02:53 |
| Topiset | Julia | 02:53 |
| Topiset | I would like that they are all in alphabetical order, and possible in the same tone. | 02:53 |
| Topiset | Has anyone faced the same+ | 02:53 |
| Topiset | + | 02:53 |
| Topiset | ? | 02:53 |
| ottulo | I do have the same situation | 02:55 |
| ottulo | never bothered to look more into it... | 02:55 |
| Topiset | ok. You might not care, but I find it annoying sometimes. It makes it slower to find contacts if there are a lot :) | 02:56 |
| ottulo | according to my very fast and non-comprehensive search it seems dimmed = family name, bright = first name | 02:56 |
| ottulo | so if you have not set a first name for a contact it will only appear dimmed | 02:56 |
| Topiset | ok, that seems to hold. I will need then to update the contacts, since they are all imported from VCF files. | 02:58 |
| Topiset | Thank you, at least it shows a solution. | 02:58 |
| ottulo | yeah, I have them pretty randomly set as well | 02:59 |
| pdanek1 | When I open Yandex store now, says server unavailable. | 02:59 |
| ottulo | some of them I've had ever since my first phone, so no first/last name option was available :P | 02:59 |
| pdanek1 | Is it problem on my side or general? | 02:59 |
| ottulo | plus it has pulled contacts from social media, which have not merged with existing contacts all the time | 02:59 |
| ottulo | pdanek1: seems to work for me | 03:00 |
| pdanek1 | hmm | 03:00 |
| ottulo | a-ha! | 03:01 |
| ottulo | just now looked into it, and there is an option to link contacts | 03:01 |
| ottulo | best of all, it detects similar names so I don't have to search :) | 03:01 |
| ottulo | thanks, Jolla, for thinking about this too! | 03:02 |
| Topiset | ottulo: thanks. I keep the contacts currently in Nokia Suite, and I have the same problem. Some are only last names, some only given names. | 03:02 |
| Topiset | so I will have to update them there and in the phone. maybe googling there is a nice script that does that :) | 03:03 |
| ottulo | :P | 03:05 |
| ottulo | good luck! | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | what the what, system update? | 03:05 |
| Topiset | seems to be easy, it is just a ";" in a different position in the VCF. | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | oh it's offering to update 1.0.2.5 to 1.0.2.5 a third time | 03:06 |
| Topiset | ShadowJK: At least you can get to 1.0.2.5, I am stuck with 1.0.0.5 :D | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | heh, how come? | 03:09 |
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| pdanek1 | hmm the flashlight app is actually blinking | 03:17 |
| pdanek1 | not continuous light | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a bug in the app - it's working round lack of an actual flashlight feature | 03:18 |
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| Topiset | ShadowJK: I cannot update. I will get a "problem with store". Stskeeps was helping me debug it, but we had to welcome the new year and now I have to see if I can get this solved today. | 03:33 |
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| pdanek1 | http://youtu.be/b0w36GAyZIA | 03:56 |
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| boilerkim | Hello | 05:17 |
| boilerkim | Hows the Jolla? | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I like it. | 05:20 |
| boilerkim | I really want it to comee to the US! | 05:20 |
| boilerkim | What is your favorite thing about the Jolla? | 05:22 |
| ottulo | my personal favorite: I have one! | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | pykcon install gcc | 05:25 |
| boilerkim | Haha!! I was thinking about getting one but it only works with 2g in the US, so I guess I have to wait. Not sure if it will ever come here :( | 05:26 |
| boilerkim | what do you compile speed? | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I was just amused to install it - nothing much as yet | 05:28 |
| boilerkim | So you can basically do the same in the terminal that we can in a Linux desktop? | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | To a very much larger degree than android, yes. | 05:30 |
| * SpeedEvil is mostly asleep though (5AM) | 05:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | Night all | 05:30 |
| boilerkim | night | 05:30 |
| Nicd- | well, it's a Linux system | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | So is android (by some definitions) | 05:31 |
| mudyc | i just think it's awesome to have state-of-the-art linux box in your hand | 05:32 |
| Nicd- | SpeedEvil: well, that is up for debate :P | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes - I've referred to Android in the past as 'Boot to java' - with good readon | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | son | 05:36 |
| boilerkim | what do you want to see in the future for jolla | 05:44 |
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| Nicd- | full caldav support :P | 05:47 |
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| suosaask1 | mudyc: hardware wise it is not state-of-the-art :) | 06:20 |
| PeperJohnny | Hey Guys. Does anyone else have issues with sms getting? I wanted to get some TAN sms and they didn't arrive. Put the sim in my N900 and worked :/ | 06:22 |
| special | TAN? | 06:23 |
| PeperJohnny | Some identification number that you get by sms if you want to do some transactions | 06:23 |
| special | what phone carrier, out of curiosity? | 06:24 |
| PeperJohnny | e-plus in Germany | 06:25 |
| special | we don't have any known problems with receiving non-MMS messages | 06:25 |
| Nicd- | I haven't had SMS trouble either | 06:25 |
| PeperJohnny | :/ ok | 06:25 |
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| edgars | zzzzz | 07:00 |
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| Kiranos | anyone know the waiting time if you order a phone today? | 07:02 |
| Kiranos | approx time | 07:02 |
| Nicd- | I think it's 3-4 weeks approx | 07:02 |
| Nicd- | yep, says that on http://shop.jolla.com/ | 07:03 |
| Kiranos | Nicd-: thanks | 07:03 |
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| boilerkim | anyone know if this phone will ever be released in the US? | 07:19 |
| boilerkim | or at least a compatable 3g/4g version for the us | 07:20 |
| special | nobody knows. | 07:20 |
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| Quu | boilerkim: they said going for asia first | 07:21 |
| boilerkim | ahh, thanks Quu | 07:22 |
| boilerkim | seems like it will be a long wait then! | 07:22 |
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| edgars | boilerkim: when it will come to US it will be really out of the time/era :D | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | back to the future | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | hoverboard like | 07:25 |
| boilerkim | It will be so old, I know | 07:25 |
| boilerkim | but Sailfish seems like its already in the future! and better than android/ios | 07:25 |
| mudyc | suosaask1: i think the hw is good enough for its use | 07:29 |
| suosaask1 | good enough, but not state-of-the-art. | 07:29 |
| boilerkim | what limits have you seen based from the hw | 07:30 |
| suosaask1 | By the way, are the fonts already fixed for the "start screen"? A coworker has a Jolla and pretty much the only complain I had when I saw it was that horrible font that looked like the device would have needed twice the resolution for the fonts to be readable... | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | suosaask1: 1.0.2.5 fixes a lot at least | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | distance field options werent set right | 07:32 |
| suosaask1 | boilerkim: no limits, but not state-of-the-art, either. Well, unless those fonts cannot be fixed with the current resolution. Which I doubt, since for example many Windows Phones have the same pixel density with no issues. | 07:32 |
| suosaask1 | Stskeeps: great. Is that out yet? | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong, of course | 07:33 |
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| suosaask1 | Ok. Well, need to check it out next time I meet the coworker :) | 07:33 |
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| Quu | ha | 08:16 |
| Quu | Jolla was only DNA's #5 in december sales | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | only? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:17 |
| Quu | well yeah okay | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | surpassed iphone 5s ;) | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | and c | 08:17 |
| Quu | yup | 08:17 |
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| vegai | it is quite expensive compared to the cheaper lumias and androids | 08:20 |
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| vegai | Quu: link to statistics? | 08:24 |
| Quu | uhm | 08:24 |
| Quu | http://taskumuro.com/jolla-dnan-joulukuun-viidenneksi-myydyin-puhelin | 08:25 |
| Quu | not sure what is the source of that | 08:25 |
| saltsa | oho | 08:25 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: finland nutorious for beeing low % of iphone owners compared to other countries? thinking of Nokia and not wanting to buy the rivals phone etc | 08:26 |
| Kiranos | intrested in if finland didnt jump on the apple bandwagon when rest of the world did or if it did aswell :) | 08:27 |
| Quu | most teens got iphone | 08:27 |
| Quu | because 'murica fuck yeah | 08:27 |
| Kiranos | my gf has iphone and she cant be happier, they did alot of things right | 08:28 |
| covox | what the hell is a galaxy trend | 08:28 |
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| Quu | 119e cheap shitty phone | 08:28 |
| Quu | iirc my cousin got that | 08:29 |
| Quu | after he fucked 2x galaxy xcovers | 08:29 |
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| suosaask1 | Stskeeps: on the other hand, iphone was on the top for other isps. | 08:38 |
| vegai | it also says there that Jolla was #1 in phones costing more than 300 euros | 08:38 |
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| TemeV | I think iPhone would be quite good "entry level" smart phone, but it just has an insane price tag :) | 08:39 |
| Venemo | good morning | 08:40 |
| Venemo | vegai: who says that? | 08:40 |
| Plnt | Venemo: < Quu> http://taskumuro.com/jolla-dnan-joulukuun-viidenneksi-myydyin-puhelin | 08:41 |
| Pnuu | suosaask1: well, only dna had jolla on sale.. | 08:41 |
| stephg | morning everyone | 08:41 |
| Pnuu | weird, phone was plugged in the charger for the night, and it didn't get charged at all | 08:42 |
| Pnuu | well, I'll leave it charging and do gut some fish -> | 08:43 |
| Milo- | Just noticed something about those sales listings. Elisa and Sonera lists all iphone5-versions as just 'iphone5', while DNA separates iphone5c and iphone5s. | 08:44 |
| vegai | 10:25 < Quu> http://taskumuro.com/jolla-dnan-joulukuun-viidenneksi-myydyin-puhelin | 08:44 |
| vegai | oh, I'm slow. | 08:44 |
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| Topiset | Stskeeps, are you there? | 08:45 |
| Milo- | which means if DNA had combined those figures, Jolla probably could've been beaten by iphone. | 08:45 |
| Kiranos | phones vs brands I guess | 08:45 |
| vegai | Milo-: indeed. | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | Topiset: in a meeting, will prod you later | 08:45 |
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| Topiset | ok | 08:45 |
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| Venemo | Plnt: thanks. man, sorry but I can't read that language | 08:48 |
| Plnt | Venemo: me neither but google translate works okayish :) | 08:49 |
| Venemo | ah | 08:49 |
| Quu | google translate is so shit with finnish | 08:50 |
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| stephg | Quu, hey it's not so bad, I love my Whereby phone ;) | 08:51 |
| Quu | lol | 08:51 |
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| suosaask1 | Milo-: really? I just remember Sonera having Top 5 a couple of months ago like this: 1) iPhone 5S, 2) iPhone 5C, 3) iPhone 4S, 4) Galaxy S4, 5 iPhone 5 | 09:01 |
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| Venemo | okay guys, I didn't expect the average Jolla user to be dumber than the average N9 user, but it seems they are | 09:03 |
| pp_ | at 599e you really had to want a N9 :-) | 09:03 |
| Quu | Venemo: what happened? :D | 09:04 |
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| suosaask1 | I bought my N9 for 400eur and my wifes 64GB N9 for 249e :) | 09:04 |
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| suosaask1 | http://taskumuro.com/apple-iphone-5s-myydyin-puhelin-marraskuussa-dnalla-elisalla-ja-soneralla at least for november sales they are not combined for Sonera, Elisa or DNA. | 09:06 |
| Venemo | half the reviews of puzzlemaster are from people who can't figure out how to reenable system gestures ingame (hint: there's only one button on the UI) | 09:06 |
| Quu | lol? | 09:07 |
| Venemo | Quu: go to the store and take a look | 09:07 |
| Quu | yeah just did | 09:08 |
| Quu | settings are too hard for most people | 09:08 |
| Quu | and you just cant deny it | 09:08 |
| Venemo | it is not a setting | 09:08 |
| Quu | my friend just recently asked something about battlefield 3, asked couple things from him and he said he never even opened the settings | 09:09 |
| Quu | dude been playing it for 2 years | 09:09 |
| Quu | with default settings | 09:09 |
| Venemo | for precisely this reason, my game doesn't even have settings | 09:09 |
| Quu | hehe | 09:09 |
| Venemo | the gestures are only disabled while playing, and there's only one button on on the screen when you're playing - hitting that button also reenables system gestures | 09:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Out of curiousity, when did Sailfish turn to Wayland? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | ~spring | 09:10 |
| Venemo | the REAL problem is if the system gestures were ON during the game, they'd be whining that they can't move puzzle pieces near the edge of the screen! | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | take a look at the comments for the "Military News" app | 09:10 |
| suosaask1 | http://taskumuro.com/galaxy-s-iii-ja-iphone-5s-suomalaisten-suosikkipuhelimia-lokakuussa <<< the same for October. Note. iPhone 5S became available in Finland in 25th of October. So those stats are... "ok"... | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | so much butthurt | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: why? | 09:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | stskeeps: Thanks! Trying to work out a timeline of development | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: 'damn fast' | 09:11 |
| Nicd- | "please remove this app! now!" "what is it in the jolla store for?" "shame on you jolla" "I too fell offended" | 09:11 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: what's that? | 09:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Stskeeps: Hahah - I agree to an extent - but think it was fast also, because lots was left out :p | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: correspond that we had to switch HW vendor in spring, switch to qt5+wayland and a entirely new way of doing adaptations, it's a really quick turnaround | 09:12 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: it's an android app which aggregates news related to the US military I think | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: so yes, that hurt some of things, but, now we're much more prepared for spread | 09:12 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: oh my god | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ie, our future HW programmes are reduced significantly | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of how long time it takes to take a reference ODM design | 09:12 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Stseeps: I agree - given the hold ups you guys did great. Love the advancements in libhyrbis too - I assume thats how you achieved full Android compatability and will release Saifish for Android devices? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: android (hw) aye | 09:13 |
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| Stskeeps | as an example: old HW, old stack, it took a month to get opengl working, much more to get 60fps and vsync | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | old HW, new stack, 36 hours | 09:14 |
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| Nicd- | Venemo: maybe I should write a pledge of allegiance app that would remind the user to say it every morning to see what kind of a shitstorm would appear ;D | 09:14 |
| Venemo | lol Nicd- | 09:15 |
| zorael | what is the story behind the HW change? | 09:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Stskeeps: Well I applaud you guys! Solid effort. One day I hope to be sailing from Down under | 09:15 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | zorael: The chip manufacturer collapsed | 09:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Google ST-Ericcson | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | blessing in disguise | 09:15 |
| zorael | hmm, I see | 09:15 |
| Frye | Nicd-, :D | 09:15 |
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| tehdely | showed my jolla to a friend today, he was blown away by the ui | 09:17 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: out of curiosity, do you think the change from ST-E => qualcomm was for the better or the worse? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | better | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | much much better | 09:17 |
| Venemo | you mean the actual hw is better or that the cooperation between the companies is better? | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want to go into details, but it's a much saner experience with sailfish+qt5 stack | 09:17 |
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| Venemo | allright | 09:18 |
| pp_ | someone has found all the hardware quirks already when doing android for it :-) | 09:18 |
| pp_ | I would guess | 09:18 |
| zorael | biggest UI complaint I have so far is missing landscape view in pretty much everything | 09:19 |
| zorael | particularly browser | 09:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | zorael: It seems silly given its one line of code | 09:19 |
| mudyc | i would have needed landscape only in gallery | 09:20 |
| zorael | web pages that don't reflow its text makes hard reading in portrait | 09:21 |
| krig | would be nice if the browser could show any video in fullscreen+landscape | 09:21 |
| zorael | i.e. g+ | 09:21 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps is it fair to say that the Jolla is the first shipping wayland device? been idly thinking about that and can't think of any others | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, not fair | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | first mobile device, yes; but not first device | 09:23 |
| stephg | ooh | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's free.fr's box too | 09:23 |
| stephg | that an STB? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:23 |
| stephg | I had no idea | 09:23 |
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| stephg | qt5 as well? | 09:23 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: free's freebox uses wayland ? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7KzJypQfG0 | 09:24 |
| Tofe | but they are on the market since quite a while now, they must have used a very early build :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:25 |
| Tofe | wow, how could I have missed that | 09:25 |
| * fk_lx likes those videos showing empty chairs, where usually a lot of public is behind the camera, not before it in first row | 09:25 | |
| pp_ | Nokia had stuff running on wayland, but surprisingly elop cancelled it all :-) | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | i had (personally) wayland running on n900/n950/n9 | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | but that's not a product | 09:26 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: there was wayland on raspberry pi, but only as an experiment | 09:26 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Stskeeps: I know you probably can't answer this - but - the video demos we have been shown, have Jolla store appearing at the bottom of the app list. Yet its an app in the release build. A few other differences too like Facebook etc. Is that just an old design idea? (Or can''t comment on future products blah blah?) | 09:28 |
| Venemo | my guess: someone worked on an official native facebook client but they canceled it due to lack of time | 09:29 |
| Quu | or its coming in some fancy update | 09:29 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Quu: I hope so. Venemo: I fear time was a big issue | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: can't really answer, sorry (not an official response) | 09:30 |
| Quu | you cant answer and thats not official? :D | 09:30 |
| Quu | huehue | 09:30 |
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| Andy80 | I left my device, with no SIM, wifi disconnected, with 30% battery, this morning battery dead :( | 09:33 |
| Andy80 | and yes, I had disabled tohd | 09:33 |
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| phaeron | android apps ? | 09:34 |
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| stephg | maps on? | 09:34 |
| phaeron | or any apps in general | 09:34 |
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| Venemo | I left my device with SIM + wifi enabled and playing music on bluetooth for the whole night and battery didn't go below 90% | 09:36 |
| Tofe | yes, the battery usage can be a bit surprising, I must say | 09:36 |
| stephg | yeah I seem to lose < 5% overnight these days with toh turned off | 09:36 |
| Tofe | stephg: me too, but then if I use a small android app it drowns quickly | 09:37 |
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| Tofe | and right now I'm at 1-2% per hour, which is ok but a bit decieving given that it doesn't do anything special | 09:38 |
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| Tofe | I think the 2G/3G data pumps a lot | 09:38 |
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| Trizt | graphics/touch screen seems to drain battery for me, leaving it not doing much at all even running android apps it's not using that much (wifi and 3G on), the good thing is that the battery recharges quite fast | 09:39 |
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| Tofe | Is is possible to have a tool on the Jolla to make some tests ourselves ? | 09:41 |
| AL13N | disabling aliendalvik will likely result in less battery drain too | 09:41 |
| Tofe | powertop ? | 09:41 |
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| AL13N | yes | 09:41 |
| AL13N | mer-tools repository has more stuff | 09:41 |
| AL13N | iinm | 09:41 |
| Andy80 | if my ADSL didn't disconnect maybe... | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | morning | 09:43 |
| jusics | Tofe: also upower -d shows some info like current consumption | 09:43 |
| Tofe | jusics: ok, thanks; of course ideally I'd like to get a per-app consumption, but I guess it's not realistic | 09:44 |
| Nicd- | "the estimated remaining time is 19 hours, 28 minutes" | 09:45 |
| Nicd- | discharge rate of 348 mW | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: doesn't powertop kind of do that? | 09:46 |
| Nicd- | screen closed, 3g, running fingerterm with powertop, mitakuuluu, email, phone, calendar, messaging and notes | 09:46 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: well, it can try, but it's sometimes impossible, like for the screen, or data connection power usage | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: yup, some things are more hidden than others, but you did say "per-app" :-) | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | tohd.service was an example | 09:47 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: fair enough :) | 09:47 |
| Andy80 | I've contactsd that is consuming 70% cpu | 09:47 |
| Andy80 | ah nothing... now it stopped | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | there was someone who was debugging that problem | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | they said it stopped whenever measured | 09:48 |
| Tofe | it's quantic | 09:49 |
| Andy80 | yes... I only know that I wen from 30% battery 10 hours ago, to 0% | 09:49 |
| Andy80 | with all (screen 3g, wifi) off | 09:49 |
| Tofe | Andy80: there must have been some bug, like a cpu loop, at some time | 09:50 |
| Tofe | quite hard to say now | 09:50 |
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| ggabriel | maybe there is strace somewhere, but that would be quite fun to debug ;) | 09:51 |
| jusics | or a stray wakelock | 09:51 |
| Tofe | The kind of bug that takes weeks to track, and the benefit may be a 2% battery improvement in 10% of the use cases | 09:53 |
| jusics | i found that the device naps quite deeply and runs processes only every ~25s when the screen is off | 09:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Depends on how much other stuff runs | 10:44 |
| ShadowJK | on mine stuff only runs a few times per day with screen off.. :) | 10:45 |
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| Kiranos | https://together.jolla.com/question/8357/jolla-as-usb-modem/ | 11:03 |
| tango_ | I think jolla follows the same aggressive sleep pattern as android | 11:03 |
| tango_ | trying to sleep whenever possible, modulo wakelocks | 11:03 |
| Kiranos | the answer here usb tethering, that is not the same thing as usb modem imo? | 11:04 |
| Kiranos | usb modem makes it possible for linux to call out with the phone? | 11:04 |
| stephg | Kiranos I took the meaning as tethering there yeah | 11:04 |
| Kiranos | ist tethering more like an access point to use the phones internet connection? but usb modem is the other way around, to use the call stack of the phone to call/send sms through linux | 11:05 |
| Kiranos | from a desktop | 11:05 |
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| Kiranos | for that I'm very iterested :) | 11:06 |
| Kiranos | to use a jolla as usb modem | 11:06 |
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| Kiranos | not many new phones support this today | 11:06 |
| Kiranos | if any | 11:06 |
| Kiranos | gnokii is relying on old mobiles before the smart phone era :) | 11:06 |
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| ggabriel | Kiranos: the jolla doesn't register a usb ppp device | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | it just registers a network interface, and in dev mode only | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | which you can use quite easily | 11:08 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: your comment here https://together.jolla.com/question/8596/sip-support-voice-over-ip/ is the answer | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | *** welcome to a new sailor in Jolla: sledges - also known from nemo mobile and mer communities :) | 11:10 |
| stephg | \o/ | 11:11 |
| Kiranos | congrats sledges! :D | 11:11 |
| stephg | congrats! | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | congrats sledges | 11:11 |
| stephg | ggabriel yeah not sure what to do about converting it | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | and don't try to drag out any information of him, he doesn't know anything | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 11:11 |
| Kiranos | sledges: now look forward to multiple "when will my device arrive" questions through pm's | 11:12 |
| faenil | \o/ yahoo for sledges ! | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | stephg: it's up to you really, i'd convert it if i were you and let the person who asked the question reflect on not using search properly | 11:12 |
| stephg | ggabriel the guy had written it literally 5 minutes before I saw it | 11:12 |
| jusics | Kiranos: with dev mode, you can ssh into the phone and send/recv sms probably using e.g. ofono | 11:12 |
| Kiranos | jusics: nice, what I'm after is initiating calls though | 11:12 |
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| ggabriel | Kiranos: aahhh, that's another story then | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | using it integrated with icinga/nagios today with an old ericsson and gnokii | 11:13 |
| sledges | many many thanks fellows, it's my dream job (nothing to do with sleeping at work); I'll do my best ! :) | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | when we get a critical alert gnokii talkes to a phone and it calls the person responsible | 11:13 |
| fk_lx | sledges: congratz! | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | but old phones are becoming hard to get by | 11:13 |
| stephg | Kiranos yeah that's a fair usecase (though don't dumbphones still offer that?) | 11:13 |
| Kiranos | stephg: yea we have a few spare ones but sooner or later they will run out, gnokii only support some specifics | 11:14 |
| jusics | i think ofono should work for that too | 11:14 |
| sledges | thanks Kiranos, stephg, ggabriel, faenil, fk_lx! :) | 11:15 |
| Kiranos | sledges: hope you have a great time at #jolla! | 11:17 |
| sledges | Kiranos: undoubtedly, what other company is the best to work for? ;) | 11:18 |
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| Kiranos | where I work! ;) | 11:23 |
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| locusf | congrats sledges | 11:44 |
| sledges | Kiranos :D the best eventual answer for each individual ;) | 11:46 |
| sledges | locusf: thanks man! | 11:46 |
| Tofe | oh, congrats sledges ! | 11:47 |
| sledges | thanks :) | 11:47 |
| Tofe | sledges: you are based in Helsinki ? | 11:48 |
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| sledges | nope, UK | 11:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | congrats sledges! | 12:02 |
| Morpog_PC | and oh noe, there goes nemomobile #1 tinkerer | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | this is a pretty cool bug https://together.jolla.com/question/8635/ui-bug-app-icons-on-top-of-task-switcher/ | 12:03 |
| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, had that once too, but the other way around | 12:03 |
| Morpog_PC | but could still move the launcher up/down | 12:04 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: thanks and I'm not intending to go away from our beloved Nemo ;) | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | jolla uses nemo anyway, don't they? or is it just mer? | 12:05 |
| Morpog_PC | Yeah I know, but you won't have any time for it, look what happened with faenil or Sfiet_Konstantin during their internships ;) | 12:05 |
| Morpog_PC | btw, is it an internship or real job? | 12:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wait what ? | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | this bug needs more love if you feel vote generous today: https://together.jolla.com/question/1575/bugux-gap-deleting-emails-from-notifications-screen/ | 12:06 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: im not a student long time ago :) | 12:06 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: congrats | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | \o. | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | \o/ | 12:06 |
| Morpog_PC | ggabriel, when I talk about nemomobile then I talk about the parts sailfishOS doesn't use :D | 12:06 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: wait and see ;) | 12:06 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, great! | 12:06 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: thanks Sfiet_Konstantin ! :D | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: i think it's the other way around | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | assuming sledges a) had a job before b) the job in point a had nothing to do with nemo | 12:07 |
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| sledges | ggabriel: do you work for NSA? | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | sledges: maybe :P | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: what's your official title ? | 12:08 |
| sledges | forgot to mention now I won extra 2 hours/day without commuting to work | 12:08 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: Sailor | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: and where are you based ? | 12:08 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah true, but those sailors are working on sailfish 24/7 it seems, don't think sledges did that on his old job too ;) | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: na, sailor in HW ? MW ? SW ? CM ? Sales ? etc :D | 12:08 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, in theory? :D | 12:08 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: Sailor on Board ;P | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :P:P | 12:08 |
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| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: yeah, good point, but don't think the 24/7 is a constant thing | 12:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | hopefully :D | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | and if anything, ppl at jolla will have mer/nemo very fresh in their heads | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | so work will happen faster | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | hence i said it was the other way around given the 2 conditions | 12:09 |
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| Kiranos | [12:12:02] <Stskeeps> and don't try to drag out any information of him, he doesn't know anything | 12:10 |
| Kiranos | [12:12:03] <Stskeeps> :P | 12:10 |
| Kiranos | [12:12:05] <Stskeeps> ;) | 12:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | it began :D | 12:10 |
| Morpog_PC | what the hell a sailfishos ftp server, who would need that? | 12:11 |
| Morpog_PC | http://code.google.com/p/meeftpserver/downloads/detail?name=sailfishftpserver-2.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_PC: a trojan? google wants access/control ofc | 12:13 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 12:14 |
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| ggabriel | also, why make a new ftp server, when there are already a few in linux that work and should compile in sailfish/mer/meego/maemo? | 12:17 |
| zutto | its nice project to do | 12:18 |
| zutto | quite useless one tho :P | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | zutto: yeah, ok, agree | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | like a dhcp server or whatever | 12:18 |
| Kiranos | yea sftp should replace ftp soon hopefully, | 12:19 |
| zutto | meh | 12:19 |
| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: I'm in Paris | 12:19 |
| zutto | why wont you just drop the ftp | 12:19 |
| zutto | and just use ssh like normal people for file transfers | 12:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Tofe: :) | 12:19 |
| zutto | rsync and scp work very nicely | 12:19 |
| Kiranos | well sftp uses "normal" ssh :P | 12:19 |
| zutto | yes, for encryption and connection | 12:19 |
| Kiranos | and rsync is not the best tool for a windows user | 12:20 |
| Kiranos | winscp is pretty good though | 12:20 |
| zutto | meh, windows users | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | windows should die way before ftp | 12:21 |
| Kiranos | lol | 12:21 |
| zutto | they should stick to their windows shares and samba | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | or windows should start embracing normal tools | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't mind ssh in windows for example | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | it shouldn't be that hard | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | even apple does it | 12:21 |
| Kiranos | did not mean to spark that fire today :P | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | :) | 12:21 |
| zutto | ggabriel: well apple is using unix as their base | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | zutto: i learned the other day that they reinvented openssl, so not 100% sure what the future will bring | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | and actually, i found some problems in mac os x's ssl | 12:22 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: maybe they reinvented the random seed mistake too... | 12:22 |
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| ggabriel | Tofe: maybe, i think the reason was that they didn't like openbsd's versioning of the library doh | 12:22 |
| Tofe | ... | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | actually, it had to do with api compatiblity among new versions | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | which is another way of saying the same thing :P | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | time for lunch anyway | 12:24 |
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| Trizt | noticed there are a number of services which has error at startup for example auditd, thats supposed to be like that at them moment? | 12:34 |
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| Kiranos | which kind of errors? | 12:36 |
| Trizt | Kiranos: not that good on systemd, but when running "systemctl -a" there will be a number of services which has a red "error" notification | 12:38 |
| Kiranos | https://together.jolla.com/questions/ | 12:39 |
| Kiranos | post them in a question | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: only the SD mounter and tohd on mine (SD mounter because i've got btrfs and tohd because i stopped it :P ) | 12:40 |
| Trizt | Kiranos: don't have all logins at work, so it will be tonight if I remember. | 12:40 |
| Trizt | ggabriel: don't everyohone have btrfs? | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: :) no, you can always use FAT and it succeeds | 12:41 |
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| Trizt | ggabriel: okey you mean on the sd card? | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: yeah, that's what i meant, btrfs formattted sd card | 12:42 |
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| Trizt | okey, mine is still vfat, it's from my n900, but I noticed it failes to mount from time to time too | 12:42 |
| Trizt | is there a simple way to correct birthdays? All of mine are off by one hour | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | i think that's a known issue | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | i remember seeing it somewhere | 12:45 |
| Trizt | it's a known issue, but I can't edit the birthdays | 12:45 |
| Trizt | I noticed that the ptp has wrong time on the files, also seems to be affected by the timedifference to EET | 12:46 |
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| ggabriel | Trizt: edit the birthdays where? in the calendar? you ought to edit that in the people application in theory | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | hence they'll always be shifted | 12:47 |
| arkkipiiska | Moi, anyone who can tell me where call forwarding settings are? I did a forward t my workphone in case I screwed up the cutting of sim card but now I can't remove the forwarding | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | arkkipiiska: settings->apps->phone iirc | 12:48 |
| arkkipiiska | thanks, got it! | 12:49 |
| Trizt | ggabriel: it's correct on the contact, just the reoccuring event in the calendra which is offsync with an hour | 12:49 |
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| pdanek | now I know why Yandex store didn't work for me... Yandex store doesn't work on mobile connection! | 12:53 |
| pdanek | it only works on Wifi | 12:53 |
| pdanek | at least for me | 12:53 |
| pdanek | I have double-tested now | 12:53 |
| krnlyng | how does sailfish detect swipe gestures? they are broken on the n9 (landscape vs portrait) | 12:54 |
| Tofe | Do you guys think that adding new "horizontal pages" on lock screen (i.e. in addition to ambiences) would be a good idea? | 12:54 |
| Jope | you'll notice the notifications also show up on the wrong edge in the n9 | 12:54 |
| Jope | probably related | 12:54 |
| krnlyng | Jope: yep | 12:54 |
| Jope | framebuffer rotated but some other coordinate system is not | 12:54 |
| valdur55 | I played with /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/ files and i dit not archived notification/swipe roataion change. I got homescreen and qt apps to buggy landscape mode.... | 12:57 |
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| Tofe | valdur55: I guess the compositor needs to be adapted a bit too, not only Silica | 12:58 |
| Venemo | Tofe: no, having ambiences as a horizontal page also breaks my flow | 12:59 |
| valdur55 | sure. something with adaption is broken, because normal device have right swipe orientation. | 13:00 |
| Venemo | pdanek: report in together please | 13:01 |
| Tofe | Venemo: I understand, but it's just that currently, the horizontal layout of the lockscreen is either too much or too little | 13:01 |
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| Venemo | mhm | 13:02 |
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| Tofe | Ah, it's very hard to find a new idea for Together that hasn't been covered yet ! | 13:10 |
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| Venemo | Tofe: it's easy. just vote up my bug reports. | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: i'm finding something almost daily, but they are corner cases mostly | 13:12 |
| Tofe | Venemo: I'm on it ;) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | this is weird.... i created a test xmpp account and it deleted the gtalk one | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | but i can't reproduce now | 13:14 |
| ighea | How does the Jolla's own email client store the login information? Are those encrypted? | 13:15 |
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| valdur55 | can anyone share /var/lib/environment/compositor/*.conf content? | 13:30 |
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| Jonni | ighea: yes they are encrypted. | 13:38 |
| Wnt | valdur55: http://upload.egarden.fi/var_lib_environment_compositor.tar | 13:39 |
| valdur55 | woot: LIPSTICK_OPTIONS="-plugin evdevtouch:/dev/input/event0:rotate=0 -plugin evdevkeyboard:keymap=/usr/share/qt5/keymaps/boston.qmap" | 13:40 |
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| Tofe | valdur55: not the kind of option I would mess with :) | 13:40 |
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| valdur55 | Tofe: why not? n9.conf have empty LIPSTICK_OPTIONS | 13:41 |
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| Tofe | valdur55: what if you end up with no touch input working ? | 13:41 |
| valdur55 | Tofe: no problem! | 13:42 |
| Tofe | hehe | 13:42 |
| valdur55 | i will survive, because it is only sailfish conf. | 13:42 |
| valdur55 | it doesn't break harmattan. | 13:42 |
| Jonni | you can always boot to harmattan and edit the file back | 13:43 |
| Tofe | of course, from that point of view... | 13:43 |
| valdur55 | or ssh into device. | 13:43 |
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| krnlyng | valdur55, Tofe: or use the ubiboot maintenance thingy | 13:52 |
| Tofe | I'm not runnning any n9 :) | 13:53 |
| krnlyng | :) i figured that | 13:53 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: -plugin evdevtouch:/dev/input/event0:rotate=0 looks promising | 13:53 |
| stephg | lpotter piiiiiiing! | 13:56 |
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| Wnt | if you manage to fix / create workaround for the 90° rotation bug on N9 Sailfish port please update https://github.com/romu70/sailfish-for-other/issues/3 | 13:56 |
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| krnlyng | sure | 13:57 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: -plugin evdevtouch:/dev/input/event3:rotate=0 maybe? | 14:00 |
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| Tofe | krnlyng: if event0 does work for touch input, I think you should stick to it; the other event evdev files will only be things like physical buttons etc | 14:02 |
| msknight | Hi Folks,, does anyone know how to calibrate the e-compas on Jolla please? | 14:02 |
| krnlyng | Tofe: i thought /dev/input/event3 was the touch input file on n9, but i am not sure about that | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | msknight: did you try the figure of eight trick? | 14:03 |
| Tofe | krnlyng: you can test it with tools like... cat :) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: what app do you test with, out of curiousity? | 14:03 |
| msknight | ggabriel: I don't even know how to get to the point where I can run the figure of 8 | 14:03 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: Hi! I am trying to get Google Maps running - it always points North | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | msknight: you just do a figure of 8 with the phone in the air 2-3 times | 14:04 |
| * ggabriel not sure whether the compass is exposed to android tho.... | 14:04 | |
| msknight | Stskeeps: I posted a part 3 a day or two ago, by the way. | 14:04 |
| Pnuu | compass should point north 8-) | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: yeah i think i saw | 14:04 |
| msknight | ggabriel: I've normally had to hav a calibration app running when i've done that on Android. I haven't found a place in teh settings for this on Jolla yet. | 14:05 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: Cool. | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | msknight: i never had to do any calibration on the n9, maybe that's an android thing? i told you about the figure of 8 as that's what the tool to test internals in the jolla says you should do | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | again, i'm unsure as to whether the ecompass is exposed to alien dalvik | 14:06 |
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| msknight | Stskeeps: I know the bluetooth volume warning is on the radar, but any clue when we might see a resolution please? Jan? Feb? Rough guess? | 14:06 |
| pp_ | there's a "GPS test app" that's pretty verbose in android | 14:06 |
| valdur55 | /dev/input/event3 | 14:06 |
| msknight | ggabriel: there was another sat nav app that worked fine ... except the maps were hopeless! | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: i need our audio guy to be back to be able to predict anything like that | 14:06 |
| pp_ | seems to have a "heading", but it's not getting a fix here so... | 14:06 |
| pp_ | uncertain whether it gets the compass or not :P | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | msknight: aaahhh, ok, then dunno really :) | 14:06 |
| valdur55 | i used /dev/input/event0 and nothing changed | 14:06 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: No problem ... it's on your radar, that's cool enough. I just have to revert to teh S2 for sat nav ... but I get hung up because any texts/emails that land on teh S2 obviously don't then land on the Jolla! | 14:07 |
| msknight | Such is life! | 14:07 |
| krnlyng | valdur55: on my n9 lipstick_options is LIPSTICK_OPTIONS=-plugin evdevtouch:/dev/input/event3 | 14:07 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: Also, any news on the ability to read/access micro SD cards please? I avoided asking this as there are other things more important probably, but as I'm here :-) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: from android, right? | 14:08 |
| kehnoo | damn good coffee @ jolla | 14:08 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: Yes, it came from the S2 and is Fat 32 formated. | 14:08 |
| Tofe | kehnoo: that may be the secret to how they can keep working 25h a day | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: 25? we demand 70 | 14:09 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: I didn't see anything to handle/format SD cards in the settings, so I presumed it was something to be coming in a future update | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | kehnoo: hehe, what coffee? :) | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | as in what kind | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: well i meant rather, sd access from within android, or in general system? | 14:10 |
| Pnuu | msknight: there's several topics on sd cards in together | 14:10 |
| msknight | Pnuu: Well, you know me and together right now ... we're apart :-D | 14:10 |
| kehnoo | oh just regular from the machine | 14:10 |
| * ggabriel going for a coffee since it was mentioned.... | 14:10 | |
| Pnuu | msknight: well, the information is already there.. | 14:10 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: Well, I'm trying to only just use android apps if I have to. I'm trying to stay native sailfish. | 14:11 |
| Pnuu | but as you like | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: okay | 14:11 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: if it comes in teh future ... then it comes in the future. | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: i think there'll probably be some better handling but we need to take the cycle of getting proper design for things etc | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | format disk A: may not be applicable | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:11 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: If I wanted windows ... I'd have gone the N word :-D | 14:12 |
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| Tofe | N900 runs Windows too ? | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | in qemu | 14:12 |
| Tofe | ah, I'm so proud of that little thing | 14:13 |
| Tofe | Did someone try to compile qemu on Sailfish, btw ? | 14:13 |
| stephg | Do I remember someone running OSX on it? it took a day and a bit to boot? | 14:14 |
| msknight | LOL! | 14:14 |
| msknight | A colleague has Win 3.11 in a VM. Starts in the blink of an eye. Totally useless .. but starts quick. | 14:14 |
| faenil | https://twitter.com/faenil/status/418747150852292609 | 14:15 |
| faenil | Upvote if you like it | 14:15 |
| Tofe | faenil: mmmmh tricky to vote for that one ! | 14:15 |
| faenil | mm? :) | 14:16 |
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| valdur55 | krnlyng: and .. is it working nicely? | 14:16 |
| msknight | Hmm... how do you define a top contributor? | 14:16 |
| msknight | Behaviour on together has already put me off it. | 14:16 |
| * msknight draws breath and mutters, "Don't drive angry. Don't drive angry...." | 14:17 | |
| valdur55 | nothing changed... maybe i have messed other files... | 14:17 |
| faenil | msknight, well, that is another thing to define :) it's just an idea | 14:17 |
| valdur55 | But yes. /dev/input/event3 is touchscreen | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: stop spamming ideas | 14:17 |
| * faenil looks for a large trout | 14:18 | |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: also, you can edit your question to ask for people to contribute to the lists of prices in comments | 14:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: :D | 14:18 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, done | 14:19 |
| * msknight returns to work before the dinghy turns in to a trawler to find trout for faenil. | 14:19 | |
| Kiranos | faenil: top voters contributors or top spammers? | 14:19 |
| * faenil hands cookies to msknight | 14:19 | |
| * msknight munches down. "Cheapskate, these are only double choc." | 14:19 | |
| faenil | Kiranos, no I was thinking something like the guys who get most answers as accepted ones | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: there is a difference between top contributor, top karma, and top spammer | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | usually top karma is not top contributor | 14:20 |
| msknight | ROTFL! | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | closer to top spammer sometimes | 14:20 |
| faenil | agree | 14:20 |
| faenil | msknight, ? | 14:20 |
| msknight | LOL @ what Sfiet_Konstantin said. | 14:21 |
| * stephg wanders off to order users by karma ;) | 14:21 | |
| Pnuu | I've got 5 questions, 22 answers and 1400 karma | 14:21 |
| * msknight wanders off to some work before she gets fired. | 14:21 | |
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| Pnuu | and quite many retags which don't accumulate karma | 14:22 |
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| Tofe | Sfiet_Konstantin: you are the only frenchie in the first page of users with karma, hold on tight! | 14:23 |
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| ggabriel | i honestly don't care about karma | 14:31 |
| ggabriel | but i do wonder where i'm from | 14:31 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: I don't care either, it just seems to accumulate :-P | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah :) | 14:39 |
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| ggabriel | ridiculous battery life, i'm rather impressed | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | unless the meter is still adjusting and it will drop all of a sudden | 14:47 |
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| micko_ | my camera refuses to start | 14:54 |
| Waitee | reboot? | 14:55 |
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| Pnuu | micko_: check journalct output when starting | 14:56 |
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| micko_ | unable to open /proc/number/oom_score_adj | 15:02 |
| micko_ | for writing | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | top tip: harmattan doesn't have peek, so don't look for it | 15:05 |
| ln- | it has some sort of peek | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | ln-: yeah, but not the one i was looking for, and it took me a good 2 seconds to realize ;) | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | i won't add this to tjc | 15:07 |
| micko_ | reboot helped | 15:07 |
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| jubo2 | So when is Jolla kakspistenolla coming out ? | 15:15 |
| jubo2 | or is it that 1.X will be forever awesomessessity | 15:16 |
| parasemic | phone or os? :D | 15:17 |
| parasemic | answer to both: no idea | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | i'm really looking forward to the new update | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | if it comes with lte, i'll find it really hard to stay on the n9 | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | unless it comes with caldav ;) | 15:20 |
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| jubo2 | I must have all calendars sync with all calendar, so yes, caldav support | 15:22 |
| jubo2 | A russian off-line dictionary and I'm a happy camper.. | 15:22 |
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| ggabriel | jubo2: haha, i haven't seen a proper free online dictionary in years | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | s/online/offline/ | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | i think i used to have one in the 5800 that came with symbian | 15:26 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: my NOK E75 has it.. but it doesn't have input method in Russian so one cannot use it that way.. | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: well, i use english mostly, so happy to settle with that. the challenge gets more interesting for chinese/japanese/korean languages and their input methods | 15:27 |
| jubo2 | but it comes with a succkky artificial limit of max 3 langs at any point in time | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: yeah, i remember that | 15:27 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: I hear Jolla has 16 virtual keyboards | 15:27 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: yeah.. but as to Chinese input means.. | 15:28 |
| jubo2 | My class mate, our reinforcement from China.. | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: i can count 12 | 15:28 |
| jubo2 | I think he writes pinyin and the machine turns em into ideograms | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | _but_ you need to know chinese for hte chinese one for instance | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | you can't draw a symbol | 15:29 |
| hene- | does anyone know where to get AHJ adapter to get n9 hf work with jolla? :) | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | hene-: amazon? | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | hf=headphone? | 15:29 |
| hene- | handsfree yes | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | ah | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | i can give you a link if you want (is it ok to give amazon links here? i forget...) | 15:30 |
| hene- | why would'nt be? :) or just pm it | 15:31 |
| jubo2 | ggabriel: need to distinguish words for "pork" and "lamp" and "chops" | 15:31 |
| jubo2 | that's all I'd ever use it for.. | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | hene-: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005T1MQ1Q/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | hene-: mind you, i have that exact one to convert android/ios to n9 | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | in theory, the adapter does the other way around | 15:31 |
| jubo2 | When we go to Saint Petersburg we eat at our local's .. | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | also, i had 2 of them. the first one lasted next to nothing, this one that I posted has lasted over a year now, and i use it for running etc | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | jubo2: :) | 15:32 |
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| jubo2 | portapotty is 15 RUB ( run by kids, child labour!! ) because apparently no plumbing is built but the upside is the local style open charoal BBQ | 15:33 |
| hene- | ggabriel, yep | 15:33 |
| hene- | thanks | 15:33 |
| jubo2 | Excellent shopping and chops | 15:33 |
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| jubo2 | Nevskoye on tap is 80 RUB but the 60 RUB stuff from can is good ( Reinheitsgebot ) too | 15:34 |
| jubo2 | hahaha.. the Germans are applying special status for Reinheitsgebot | 15:34 |
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| jubo2 | the news didn't even tell you the EU shut down Reinheitsgebot's status as a law | 15:35 |
| jubo2 | sez it's against it's "principles" | 15:35 |
| jubo2 | now the Germans are going to get some other status then law for Reinheitsgebot.. like Unesco world heritage or so.. | 15:36 |
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| ShadowJK | Well there are issues with it | 15:50 |
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| ShadowJK | It sets fixed price for beer, and yeast is not on the list of approved ingredients, and neither is wheat, which is the most popular type of beer in Bavaria :P | 15:51 |
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| Pnuu | how did we end up to reinheitsgebot?-) | 15:52 |
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| ShadowJK | I didnt scroll up to find out | 15:53 |
| Pnuu | and I had ping timeout :-/ | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Pnuu: the new model will have an alcohol fuel cell that runs on beer. | 15:54 |
| Pnuu | not the best choice for fuel cell :-D | 15:54 |
| stephg | one for me, one for my jolla... | 15:54 |
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| Pnuu | would reduce my beer^Wphone use.. | 15:55 |
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| Tofe | Oh, Jolla sells fifth in Finland... Congrats guys | 15:58 |
| ln- | fifth in DNA stores | 15:58 |
| Tofe | ln-: well, yes, under certain categories, and so on :) But still, it's quite a good achievement | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | does anybody know how many high street sales did jolla have in .fi? | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | out of mere curiosity | 16:00 |
| Tofe | I'd be interested too | 16:00 |
| Tofe | But I would also understand if such figures were not public yet | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | uhm... not sure why as they aren't a public company | 16:01 |
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| Tofe | ggabriel: well, it would be compared to other phones, in some papers, and I guess many would not understand why some zeros are missing | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | i say let the people who buy phones because they are popular should continue doing so | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | that sentence is grammatically incorrect | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | relphrase: i say let the people who buy popular phones continue doing so | 16:04 |
| Tofe | but I did understand it, so, well good enough | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | s/relphrase/rephrase/ | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | and my logic is this: jolla doesn't want phones returned because "they don't work" while in beta phase | 16:04 |
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| Tofe | I agree. | 16:05 |
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| Tofe | Let's trust their strategy, up till now it has worked quite well I think. Just look at the community it has already gathered. | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | oh but i do, that doesn't stop me from being curious | 16:07 |
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| Tofe | ggabriel: same for me. So, the figures ! | 16:07 |
| tumpelo | anybody knowledgeable about Qt and GPS? | 16:10 |
| AL13N | Tofe: what's the first 4? | 16:14 |
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| Tofe | AL13N: it's some Nokias and a Samsung, I think, let me find an english source | 16:16 |
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| Tofe | AL13N: http://mynokiablog.com/2014/01/02/jolla-outsells-iphone-5s-and-5c-at-finnish-dna-810-phones-for-elisa-corporate-customers-were-nokia-devices/ | 16:16 |
| Tofe | some Samsungs and a Nokia, then | 16:16 |
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| micko_ | äh. hidas netti on hidas. täällä on kuulemma talo vuorattu metalliverkolla. signaali katoaa aika tehokkaasti | 16:19 |
| Nicd- | wrong language | 16:19 |
| Waitee | :D | 16:21 |
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| micko_ | wrong channel. sorry | 16:27 |
| micko_ | also that "wrong channel4 went first to a wrong channel | 16:28 |
| FireFly | that's meta. | 16:31 |
| clau | was the number of pre-orders ever made public? | 16:31 |
| Nicd- | clau: no | 16:31 |
| Nicd- | but judging from the store I'd say there's around 8000 - 8500 phones | 16:32 |
| clau | not bad | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | i'm pretty certain they sold 10k online | 16:33 |
| Raim | Nicd-: some core apps already have more than 10,000 downloads | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | but was interested in high street, which apparently they shipped another 10k for | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | Raim: only android support that I see and there are a lot of people reinstalling it | 16:33 |
| ShadowJK | i suspect the grand total was 10k | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | clock has been installed about 9000 times and that's a basic app | 16:34 |
| FireFly | but far from necessary.. | 16:34 |
| Nicd- | I'd guess most install it anyway. maps has been downloaded 9500 times | 16:35 |
| Raim | Nicd-: hm, right. I thought it would only count once per Jolla account, but maybe it's real downloads (but does it count updates multiple times?) | 16:35 |
| Nicd- | Raim: I have no idea | 16:35 |
| FireFly | I'd go with calendar or music player instead for guessing devices from download count | 16:35 |
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| ShadowJK | that's a thing not everyone will install | 16:36 |
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| clau | I wonder why Jolla does not make a statement about this. | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | ENOTIME :) | 16:41 |
| krnlyng | i found a way to fix swipes on the n9 | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | making statements/pr is utterly boring (like raising elephants) | 16:41 |
| krnlyng | but it breaks other stuff :( | 16:42 |
| clau | ggabriel, I'm sure they have people paid exactly for that :) | 16:43 |
| ccha4 | jolla pictures desn't display any more :( | 16:43 |
| clau | I mean, making statements, not raising elephants :). | 16:43 |
| ccha4 | in details, With and High are both at 0 | 16:43 |
| ccha4 | on the overview, I can see all the pics | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: anything in journalctl? also, does a reboot help? | 16:44 |
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| w00t | elephants, eh | 16:44 |
| w00t | sounds like a market niche | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | w00t: just an obscure reference ;) | 16:45 |
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| ccha4 | Jan 02 17:34:12 localhost jolla-gallery[15363]: [W] QQmlImportDatabase::importPlugin:1697 - Module 'QtDocGallery' does not contain a module identifier directive - it cannot be protected from external registrations. | 16:46 |
| ccha4 | Jan 02 17:34:12 localhost jolla-gallery[15363]: [W] QQmlImportDatabase::importPlugin:1697 - Module 'Sailfish.Gallery' does not contain a module identifier directive - it cannot be protected from external registrations. | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: i suggest a reboot and test if it fixes it, and report it in either case in tjc | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | you'll get one of my votes if you do it quickly enough ;) | 16:47 |
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| Nicd- | ccha4: I think those messages should be harmless | 16:49 |
| w00t | indeed they are | 16:50 |
| dazo | Does anyone of you have any trusted sources how to get Google Play installed? (I've seen a few, but they seemt want me to download stuff from IP address I'm not sure I should trust) | 16:52 |
| Nicd- | you have to trust some source anyway | 16:52 |
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| tehdely | after tohd fix | 16:53 |
| tehdely | my jolla only discharged 4% overnight | 16:53 |
| tehdely | amaze | 16:53 |
| tehdely | such efficient | 16:53 |
| tehdely | very elegant | 16:53 |
| tehdely | wow | 16:53 |
| ccha4 | hum is it possible to tail journalctl ? | 16:53 |
| tango_ | very elegance <- FTFY | 16:54 |
| tehdely | thx | 16:54 |
| dazo | Nicd-: true ... but I'm willing to trust what more people here trust :) ... rather that than just choosing a random solution on a random blog | 16:54 |
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| tehdely | dazo: i went with the random solution and hope the NSA is enjoying my snapchats | 16:54 |
| tehdely | i realized that android users trust random crap on the internet all the time | 16:54 |
| tehdely | heh. | 16:54 |
| Pnuu | ccha4: journalctl -fa | 16:54 |
| ccha4 | thx | 16:55 |
| dazo | tehdely: ;-) Yup ... that's why I try to step carefully :) | 16:55 |
| Pnuu | -f for follow, -a for all | 16:55 |
| tehdely | in any case it worked. i got the play store installed and was able to install the one android app I Just Had To Have | 16:55 |
| ccha4 | so no message on the select a picture | 16:56 |
| tehdely | i've had "mainstream app envy" for years | 16:56 |
| dazo | tehdely: Is this the one you followed? http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29/jolla-how-to-access-google-play/ | 16:56 |
| tehdely | yep | 16:56 |
| tehdely | and installed the random binaries listed there | 16:56 |
| dazo | okay, I'll poke carefully at them before installing it then | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | again i restarted the phone and it charged itself from 42% to 49% :) | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | it feels the luv | 16:59 |
| ccha4 | evething work fine execpt display the pictures :( | 16:59 |
| ccha4 | I can swipe to next picture, but next one doesn't display anything | 16:59 |
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| Pnuu | ccha4: https://together.jolla.com/question/4625/gallery-app-not-displaying-pictures/ | 17:00 |
| Pnuu | ccha4: the same behavior? | 17:01 |
| ccha4 | yes same one | 17:01 |
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| viq | How bad an idea is it to chmod 755 /run/user/100000/ ? | 17:07 |
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| viq | (trying to symlink folder from /data/sdcard to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard so android stuff would use the sdcard, not internal storage) | 17:08 |
| tehdely | i noticed the phone doesn't consider .m4a files music | 17:10 |
| tehdely | that's kind of a bummer | 17:10 |
| tehdely | i wonder if it's just ALAC that it won't play, or AAC period | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | uhm... maps rooting is pretty broken | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | s/rooting/routing/ | 17:12 |
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| tehdely | i just hope we get Drive+ one day | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | well, i'm talking about pretty basic routing | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | i see if i can build a case and report it | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | there are a few umbrella questions about maps, but umbrella questions are not too good | 17:14 |
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| viq | Right, I think I got up the android apps that I'm used to to tide me over until native equivalents are available, only things remaining are certs for XMPP and Ca{l,rd}DAV | 17:15 |
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| tabasko_ | wow, I did know that mms doesnt yet work. But there is not info about it either? | 17:21 |
| tabasko_ | I mean, if you receive mms on old phone which doesnt support it, you get link to see that mms | 17:22 |
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| viq | tabasko_: I believe that's up to your phone provider | 17:40 |
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| AJAX555 | oh fsck removed google play store.. | 17:46 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: are you there? | 17:46 |
| HtheB | What do you guys think about this: https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 17:47 |
| HtheB | is it possible Stskeeps? | 17:47 |
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| Pnuu | HtheB: how did it work on N900 or N9? | 17:50 |
| Pnuu | I just turn wlan off when I don't use it | 17:51 |
| HtheB | You just click on "Internet connection" then you can just manually select an internet connection | 17:51 |
| Pnuu | saves battery.. | 17:51 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: it's even better on N9 and N900 | 17:51 |
| HtheB | did you never used it? | 17:51 |
| Pnuu | well, that's why I asked ;-) | 17:51 |
| HtheB | I never want that my device will be automatically connected to a network | 17:52 |
| Pnuu | never had either of those | 17:52 |
| Pnuu | then turn the mobile data and wlan off :-P | 17:52 |
| HtheB | but when I want to make a connection, I need to toggle it back on again | 17:52 |
| HtheB | which will automatically connect to a network again... | 17:52 |
| Pnuu | ummm | 17:52 |
| HtheB | N9 and N900 users will understand :) | 17:53 |
| ccha4 | Pnuu: pictures are displayed now | 17:53 |
| ccha4 | I put an answer | 17:54 |
| Pnuu | ccha4: great :-) | 17:54 |
| ighea | Jonni: as you seem to know something about the email application, would you also happen to know if there is some limits with passwords, especially with the email sending settings? I and my friend both own Jolla and use the same email service provider with exactly same settings. His device has functioning email sending and mine doesn't. I have terribly long password which might be the only cause. :P | 17:55 |
| ighea | Retrieving emails works fine. | 17:55 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: just vote for the idea so both parties will be happy :P | 17:55 |
| Milo- | HtheB's suggestion makes sense. | 17:55 |
| Pnuu | no I won't, as I don't know what you want :-D | 17:55 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: what didnt you understand then? | 17:56 |
| Pnuu | why don't you just toggle the connection you need and use that? | 17:56 |
| Jonni | ighea: afaik there shouldnt be differences between sending and receiving passwrd lenghts, so options are that you have typoed the passwd, but ofcourse there could be a bug | 17:56 |
| HtheB | because it makes connection whenever it wants... not when I want it :) | 17:57 |
| HtheB | yes, if you turn on the toggle, it will "try" to make connection, but when it cant make a connection, it wont do anything | 17:57 |
| Pnuu | toggle when you want -> connection when you want? | 17:57 |
| Jonni | or different isp's blocking email sending port (if its not behind ssl auth). | 17:57 |
| HtheB | are there any N900 N9 users here? | 17:57 |
| Milo- | just because I can access to a wlan connection, doesn't mean I want to automatically use that. | 17:58 |
| HtheB | Milo-: exactly | 17:58 |
| HtheB | to avoid that, I need to turn off wifi | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | Milo-: toggle it off? | 17:58 |
| HtheB | but with N900 you didnt had to do that | 17:58 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: thats bs | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | I really don't understand how would you want to do things :-D | 17:58 |
| Milo- | Pnuu but I can only toggle wlan, not specific connection. | 17:58 |
| HtheB | i dont want to keep busy with toggles | 17:58 |
| HtheB | Milo-: did you vote for the idea? | 17:59 |
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| Pnuu | well, I'm off to sauna | 17:59 |
| Milo- | HtheB not yet. | 17:59 |
| Milo- | now I did. | 17:59 |
| Milo- | had to make sure we are on the same page :) | 17:59 |
| HtheB | yaay | 17:59 |
| Milo- | I might have to start talking here on a different name, because my co-workers are stalking me on this channel :P | 18:00 |
| HtheB | hahaha | 18:00 |
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| clau | sometimes when I lock the screen by swiping from the top, it comes back on immediately after it's completely off. has anyone else seen this? | 18:25 |
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| HtheB | clau: it detects 'double tapping' somehow then | 18:26 |
| clau | most likely; though I'm quite sure I don't get the finger off the screen during the swipe. | 18:27 |
| Pnuu | clau: I have that quite often too | 18:27 |
| clau | maybe if the pressure is not constant during the swipe it's sometimes interpreted as double tap? | 18:28 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: got out of the sauna? :) | 18:28 |
| Pnuu | yup, it's not that far :-) | 18:28 |
| HtheB | now, vote for it :p | 18:28 |
| HtheB | haha | 18:28 |
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| HtheB | I think Stskeeps is busy :P | 18:34 |
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| HtheB | Seriously, I hope more N9 or N900 users will vote for this option :) | 18:35 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ (for the ones that missed the link( | 18:36 |
| HtheB | ) | 18:36 |
| clau | HtheB, are you sure this is how it worked on N9 ? | 18:44 |
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| HtheB | clau: yes ? :) | 18:44 |
| HtheB | I still use it everyday | 18:44 |
| HtheB | (n950) | 18:44 |
| HtheB | There is no 'toggle' :) | 18:45 |
| clau | I think it's connecting to the available networks as soon as you turn it on, even if you get the list of AP's on screen. | 18:45 |
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| HtheB | clau, did you use an n9/n900? :) | 18:45 |
| clau | and then you select one, and it connects to that. | 18:46 |
| clau | let me check it, I have the n9 somewhere... | 18:46 |
| HtheB | I have disabled auto connect on every AP | 18:46 |
| clau | ah, I see | 18:46 |
| clau | ok, that I would like as an option too. | 18:46 |
| HtheB | as stated on the question, there is an option on the n9 to enable the auto connection too | 18:47 |
| clau | +1 from me | 18:47 |
| HtheB | but also manually | 18:47 |
| HtheB | much far superior then just 'toggles' | 18:47 |
| arkkipiiska | have you come across the mobile data not starting up, wifi works nicely but when I try to toggle /Mobile DAta/Internet it stays "Disabled" no matter what? | 18:53 |
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| clau | did it work before? there's a bug in the autoconfiguration it seems. | 18:54 |
| arkkipiiska | nope, just got mine today | 18:54 |
| HtheB | arkkipiiska: just vote for the legacy option, im pretty sure that it will also solve this kind of problem :p | 18:54 |
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| clau | arkkipiiska, https://together.jolla.com/question/942/did-you-have-trouble-with-your-jolla-not-discovering-gprs3g-data-settings/ | 18:55 |
| clau | arkkipiiska, you will have to get the "Access point name" from your provider, or from another phone which uses it. | 18:56 |
| arkkipiiska | yup, thanks. now I got the settings ope. did not realize I need to hold the "Internet" to get into these | 18:58 |
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| arkkipiiska | Sweet :) I also love the way Irssi works out of the box from terminal compared to Androids Irssi Connectbot! Looks good after first day of use | 19:02 |
| viq | Huh, installed Google Play store, installed BeyondPod from it, all went fine, it downloaded podcasts.... but won't play them | 19:03 |
| Quu | viq: it downloads them to /data/sdcard/ or something | 19:04 |
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| Quu | need to move them to media/music/whatever for the mediaplayer to see the, | 19:05 |
| Quu | them | 19:05 |
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| Quu | or ln -s | 19:05 |
| viq | Quu: I want BeyondPod to play them | 19:05 |
| viq | Also I already have a symplink | 19:05 |
| viq | ah, a reboot helped | 19:06 |
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| Quu | yeah, you need to restart the galler/mediaplayer/something for them to be scanned | 19:06 |
| viq | Now to figure out how to make the tracker NOT see them | 19:07 |
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| viq | ah, there we go | 19:20 |
| viq | Gah, why does it keep insisting there's an update | 19:21 |
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| arkkipiiska | what text editor is available in the terminal? | 19:31 |
| HtheB | nano | 19:31 |
| HtheB | pkcon install nano | 19:31 |
| faenil | vim, nano is not installed by defaul | 19:31 |
| arkkipiiska | thx | 19:32 |
| Tofe | Is it possible for a third-party dev to create a new account type ? Where would be the documentation about that ? | 19:34 |
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| AL13N | vi is available by default | 19:48 |
| AL13N | vim can be installed | 19:48 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 19:50 | |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: hi | 19:50 |
| HtheB | glad to see you here :) | 19:50 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: my boy woke me up during the night, several times... you too? | 19:50 |
| HtheB | What do you think about this one Stskeeps https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | HtheB: i think it's rather a fight to be taken with our designers | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: well, business as usual here, but normally wife takes care of kiddo during night and i help so she can sleep in morning | 19:52 |
| HtheB | If there is a toggle that enables "legacy mode" that will remove the toggles, and just work as the N900 and N9, it shouldn't be hard, right? | 19:52 |
| HtheB | that means both parties will win | 19:52 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: with us, i mostly sleep in morning, so i have to take care of him during the night, or rather, my wife wakes me up, cause i don't hear it :-S | 19:54 |
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| Bysmyyr | AL13N: It is vim, but starts only with vi ;) | 19:55 |
| AL13N | well, not vim-enhanced, mostly like vim-tiny | 19:55 |
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| tango_ | you can install vim full blown | 20:02 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: are those designers coming from android/ios?... | 20:08 |
| HtheB | because the design back in maemo/harmattan days was far better... :( | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: no, in fact our chief designer was behind the n900 design | 20:09 |
| HtheB | then why did they pick that 'design'? :( | 20:09 |
| HtheB | it's rather a flaw to me... | 20:09 |
| HtheB | You know, sailfish is about "better multitasking" but the n900 and even harmattan beats sailfish (at the moment) | 20:10 |
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| stephg | HtheB honest question, in what way were they better? I find this far easier and quicker to use than either that came before | 20:11 |
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| HtheB | stephg: for example: multi window | 20:11 |
| HtheB | when you want 2 windows text mesages | 20:12 |
| stephg | really? on my N9 I'd be drowning in loads of unidentifiable chat windows | 20:12 |
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| HtheB | there are people who used that feature | 20:12 |
| HtheB | also about the internet connection | 20:12 |
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| HtheB | stephg: have a look at this: https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 20:13 |
| HtheB | this is also one of the things that I concern | 20:13 |
| HtheB | which feels as a drawback | 20:13 |
| tango_ | ah, one discussion per window | 20:13 |
| tango_ | mdi vs sdi | 20:13 |
| tango_ | the eternal debate | 20:13 |
| HtheB | tango_: there could be an option in the settings to enable or disable such option :) | 20:14 |
| tango_ | the big problem that I see with this is that currently each desktop window represents a single application, so e.g. closing it closes the application | 20:14 |
| tango_ | now how would you close the messaging app if there were N windows open? | 20:15 |
| tango_ | you'd have to either close all apps or close each of its windows separately | 20:15 |
| tango_ | btw I do agree that it would be nice to have multiple windows per app as an option | 20:15 |
| tango_ | android for example would enormously benefit from it | 20:15 |
| HtheB | thats the thing, I dont wnat to close an app, I only want to close the window | 20:15 |
| tango_ | there was a proposal on together to 'stack' windows from the same app | 20:16 |
| HtheB | because I want to switch from window to window | 20:16 |
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| HtheB | again, this doesnt feel as true multitask as it was on the n900/n9 | 20:16 |
| tango_ | well, multitasking is from task to task | 20:17 |
| stephg | ^that | 20:17 |
| tango_ | wether multiple conversations in a single program are multiple tasks or not is debatable. as I said, I agree that the option makes sense | 20:17 |
| tango_ | but it's also true that there are usability concerns | 20:17 |
| HtheB | task ==! app | 20:18 |
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| HtheB | indeed !:) | 20:18 |
| tango_ | HtheB: for example, would you consider one browser window per page too superior to tabs? | 20:18 |
| HtheB | many sees the 'tasks' as 'apps' (going from one to the other app or so) | 20:19 |
| HtheB | tango_: Tabs is good, because you have quickly access to in instead of going back and forward | 20:19 |
| tango_ | but are tabs better than windows? or worse? | 20:19 |
| HtheB | also, the jolla browser reloads pages when switching tabs :/ | 20:19 |
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| HtheB | better yes | 20:19 |
| tango_ | so why not tabs in the messaging app too? | 20:20 |
| HtheB | but that means i will have 4939832498 tabs!? O_o | 20:20 |
| stephg | HtheB switching chats is one swipe left and one touch | 20:20 |
| tango_ | for example, I would rather prefer if sailfish os had some built-ins to manage tabbing | 20:20 |
| tango_ | and e.g. provide the option for each tab to have a cover, with covers 'stacking' | 20:21 |
| HtheB | tango_: nice idea :) | 20:21 |
| tango_ | (when of the same app) | 20:21 |
| HtheB | tango_: did you check the link I just gave to stephg? | 20:21 |
| tango_ | so you could add a gesture up/down to cycle | 20:21 |
| tango_ | HtheB: can't use the browser currently | 20:21 |
| HtheB | alright | 20:21 |
| stephg | HtheB looking at that | 20:22 |
| tango_ | (fscked up my filesystem, browser won't start) | 20:22 |
| stephg | (the wifi I mean), seems to me all that's actually missing is the 'connect automatically' toggle for networks in the settings app | 20:22 |
| stephg | (comparing against the N9) | 20:22 |
| tango_ | the wifi thing is pretty flaky IME | 20:22 |
| tango_ | especially if you have multiple accessible wifis | 20:22 |
| tango_ | you can select a second one without deselecting the first | 20:23 |
| tango_ | and of course it fails to connect | 20:23 |
| tango_ | DUH | 20:23 |
| HtheB | tango_: thats what the link is about | 20:23 |
| HtheB | having the "N900/N9" connection selection experience on Jolla | 20:23 |
| tango_ | well, that would be trivial to solve by making network selection a radio button group | 20:23 |
| HtheB | when selecting Legacy option, the buttons should be obsolete | 20:24 |
| stephg | HtheB look forwards not backwards ;) | 20:24 |
| tango_ | HtheB: in the n900 it's _essentially_ radio buttons | 20:24 |
| HtheB | stephg: this is forward :) because right now, this is a drawback | 20:24 |
| HtheB | I have disabled any auto connection | 20:25 |
| HtheB | on my n9 and n900 | 20:25 |
| HtheB | so having the "connect to the internet" button is much better that way | 20:25 |
| ShadowJK | I double tap cellular data, then doubletap every wrong wifi ap until it gets the right one | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | While on N900 I don't have to do anything at all :P | 20:26 |
| HtheB | If they just do it as on the N9, I'm sure it will be much better | 20:26 |
| HtheB | ShadowJK: which device? | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | Jolla for the first | 20:27 |
| HtheB | ah yes | 20:27 |
| HtheB | I hope more poeple will vote for the idea to get this to work, so both parties will win (parties that loves it the way it is right now, and the parties that loves the way it was on n9) | 20:28 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: found a bug :) | 20:34 |
| HtheB | donno if its already been reported though :p | 20:35 |
| HtheB | Teamviewer shows as "com" and cant be run within sailfish app drawer | 20:36 |
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| HtheB | but funny enough, if I run it within an android launcher, it DOES work | 20:36 |
| ottulo | HtheB: the android app, I suppose | 20:36 |
| ottulo | as it did the same for me | 20:36 |
| HtheB | ottulo: run it from a launcher and it work :P | 20:37 |
| ottulo | oh, how exactly? | 20:37 |
| HtheB | works* | 20:37 |
| HtheB | just download any launcher on an android store | 20:37 |
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| AL13N | pfff too many stuff on together | 20:41 |
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| AL13N | HtheB: i don't see it on http://together.jolla.com go ahead and report it + your findings | 20:43 |
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| faenil | HtheB, is the icon correct? | 20:44 |
| HtheB | faenil: not within the sailfish appdrawer, but it is in the Launcher apps | 20:46 |
| HtheB | i mean hte android launchers, like Go Launcher | 20:46 |
| HtheB | ottulo: did you tried it out? | 20:47 |
| faenil | HtheB, ok, so it's most likely a known issue ;) but report that on together, just to be sure | 20:47 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/8978/some-android-apps-doesnt-work-within-sailfish-app-drawer/ | 20:47 |
| ottulo | HtheB: just installed launcher, now I need to get TW | 20:47 |
| ottulo | was trying to get launcher from Aptoide, but the connection keeps failing | 20:47 |
| HtheB | i see :) | 20:48 |
| HtheB | why not just getting it from the link I gave you? | 20:48 |
| ottulo | I did in the end :) | 20:49 |
| ottulo | just seemed like less typing to get from aptoide | 20:50 |
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| HtheB | just uploaded teamviewer on the link I gave you by the way | 20:51 |
| ottulo | actually, I should check if I still have the apk... I don't think I deleted it yet | 20:51 |
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| pdanek | those android apps are crap :P I'm gonna remove Android compatibility and be happy for each new native app :) | 20:58 |
| HtheB | pdanek: me too :) | 20:59 |
| HtheB | but there is no Teamviewer app for Sailfish.... | 20:59 |
| HtheB | No banking app... | 20:59 |
| HtheB | when there is a native app is available, the android app will be gone yes :) | 20:59 |
| ajalkane | HtheB: judging by javispedro's TMO post I will be happy when the android hacks in the kernel can be gotten rid of also. Might take a couple years I wager :P | 21:00 |
| AL13N | most of the android apps are filled with ads anyway | 21:01 |
| AL13N | and there is little useful apps | 21:01 |
| AL13N | those app builders only create a need, by making apps, before smartphones people didn't go insane either | 21:02 |
| ajalkane | Nothing wrong with ads. Either buy full version or decide the apps not that useful anyway. | 21:03 |
| HtheB | ajalkane: which tmo post? | 21:04 |
| AL13N | ajalkane: that's my whole point :-) | 21:04 |
| HtheB | AL13N: just edit the host file :p | 21:05 |
| ajalkane | HtheB: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1401940&postcount=27 | 21:05 |
| boilekim | is sailfish proprietary? | 21:06 |
| AL13N | HtheB: no need, my LAN DNS server has some tweaks :-) | 21:06 |
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| ajalkane | boilekim: partly | 21:06 |
| HtheB | AL13N: what about mobile data? :) | 21:06 |
| HtheB | ajalkane: I actually didn't understand the post, can you explain in "normal english" what he means? :p | 21:07 |
| boilekim | ajalkane: how so? | 21:07 |
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| ajalkane | HtheB: read the last chapter | 21:07 |
| HtheB | did | 21:07 |
| ajalkane | boilekim: most of the user space and UI is closed source. Most of the middleware and base is open source | 21:08 |
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| boilekim | Thanks! | 21:08 |
| ajalkane | HtheB: I parsed it meaning that the Android hacks make it very hard to have a power efficient kernel without the "overzealous suspend", ie. multitasking apps when device is in screensaver mode | 21:09 |
| AL13N | HtheB: turned off by default | 21:09 |
| AL13N | i use as much wifi as possible | 21:09 |
| ajalkane | HtheB: granted, I might not have understood it correctly either, but that's what I got from it | 21:09 |
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| AL13N | ajalkane: i got the same thing | 21:10 |
| ajalkane | HtheB: my explanation might have been crap up there. The basic problem is that when device is suspended (ie. screen is off), the apps don't run (like in N9). And making them runnable is hard if you want good battery life, unless you get rid of the android hacks in kernel | 21:11 |
| AL13N | it would be nice for multitasking to do it differently, but i guess that the android stuff would have to go | 21:11 |
| ottulo | HtheB: teamviewer works smooth throught the launcher, thanks! | 21:11 |
| ottulo | -t | 21:11 |
| HtheB | ah I understand now ajalkane ! | 21:11 |
| HtheB | ottulo: heheh :D told you | 21:11 |
| HtheB | ottulo: now vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/8978/some-android-apps-doesnt-work-within-sailfish-app-drawer/ | 21:12 |
| HtheB | and also: https://together.jolla.com/question/8877/manually-select-internet-connection-legacy-option/ | 21:12 |
| HtheB | :P | 21:12 |
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| boilerkim | ajalkane: What user space is closed source? It uses Mer and Nemomobile for userspace and they are both GPLV2 compliant FOSS projects by Jolla engineers. | 21:54 |
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| valdur55 | last coderus - | 22:00 |
| valdur55 | lol :D | 22:00 |
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| Quu | wat | 22:08 |
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| __pv_ | someone said that some of the jolla sailfish apps are in principle open source, but with no public repo currently but maybe coming one day (code currently available via snail mail). was this true/accurate? | 22:09 |
| stephg | __pv_ I can believe that | 22:09 |
| stephg | things like the clock and calendar | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware, the kernel hasn't yet been released | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I last looked a week ago though | 22:10 |
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| CraigA | is there an fdisk binary compiled for sailfish/mer already? | 22:36 |
| arcean | SpeedEvil: you might find the kernel here https://github.com/KonstaT/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 | 22:36 |
| CraigA | to format my memory card | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting, thanks. | 22:37 |
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| Quu | huh? does konstaT work for jolla? | 22:39 |
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| ln- | hmm, what's going on, the screen stays on indefinitely even though i'm not touching anything. | 22:45 |
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| ln- | curious indeed, the screen won't turn off when i leave the phone in the home or launcher screen, but does turn off in lock screen. | 22:53 |
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| FireFly | huh. | 22:56 |
| FireFly | ln-: what about when you have an app open? | 22:56 |
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| ln- | doesn't turn off when an app is in the foreground either | 22:59 |
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| FireFly | I want that bug! :p | 23:00 |
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| onurati | CraigA: checked /sbin/fdisk yet? | 23:14 |
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| AL13N | ln-: some kind of app wake_lock ? | 23:29 |
| ln- | for the record, the running apps are: fingerterm, settings, gallery, phone, clock, browser. | 23:30 |
| AL13N | ln-: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1401940&postcount=27 | 23:30 |
| AL13N | i don't have a jolla, i just remembered this... so it might be related | 23:31 |
| AL13N | gtg to sleep though, ttyl | 23:31 |
| special | ln-: if you're curious, mcetool gives an overview of the display state settings. | 23:31 |
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| ln- | where's that? | 23:34 |
| special | mce-tools | 23:36 |
| tehdely | silly question... where in the init process is the hostname set? | 23:38 |
| tehdely | i'd like to change the hostname of my device | 23:38 |
| tehdely | but diddling /etc/sysconfig/network and rebooting did not do it | 23:38 |
| tehdely | it's still localhost.localdomain... | 23:38 |
| FireFly | tehdely: write hostname to /etc/hostname | 23:38 |
| stephg | tehdely there be dragons here ;) | 23:39 |
| ln- | special: thanks.. everything it outputs seems normal to my eyes though. dim timeout: 30, autosuspend policy: enabled, etc. | 23:39 |
| tehdely | FireFly: ok trying that | 23:39 |
| tehdely | btw i have never had a phone boot up as fast as this jolla | 23:39 |
| tehdely | it is v. impressive | 23:39 |
| FireFly | https://together.jolla.com/question/323/dhcp-client-seems-to-send-localhost-as-hostname/ | 23:39 |
| tehdely | from logo to pin entry to home screen is crazy fast | 23:39 |
| FireFly | tehdely: ↑ (vote and) see answer | 23:39 |
| tehdely | FireFly: worked, thanks! | 23:39 |
| special | ln-: tklock autoblank, blank inhibit, never blank, etc | 23:39 |
| tehdely | has anyone ported avahi btw | 23:40 |
| FireFly | Apparently it's getting fixed in a future update, luckily | 23:40 |
| tehdely | i would loooooove mdns | 23:40 |
| tehdely | so i could ssh tommy.local :)__~ | 23:40 |
| tehdely | i had some avahi binaries on my n9 that did an acceptable job | 23:40 |
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| ln- | special: autoblank policy: enabled, blank inhibit: disabled, never blank: disabled, power saving mode: disabled (inactive) | 23:41 |
| special | normal, then | 23:42 |
| FireFly | "Radio states: FM transmitter: disabled" :o? | 23:42 |
| special | I guess you confused a state machine | 23:42 |
| * FireFly eyes mcetool | 23:42 | |
| special | FireFly: don't get excited, mce was originally written for nokia's hardware | 23:42 |
| FireFly | Hehe, that's what I sorta guessed | 23:43 |
| FireFly | Otherwise we'd probably have heard about it, if there was an FM transmitter in there | 23:43 |
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| ln- | anyway, i don't have time to debug this more until sunday, but i'll leave the phone on to not lose anything. | 23:45 |
| tehdely | the n9 had an fm transmitter in it, but nothing was connected to the lead for the xmission antenna | 23:45 |
| tehdely | i think it was some chip that handled multiple radios | 23:46 |
| tehdely | i wonder if anyone ever hacked an antenna in... | 23:46 |
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| FireFly | Hm, interesting | 23:49 |
| FireFly | with mcetool -M unlock the device wakes up to the home screen instead of the lock screen. I guess I was pushing my luck when hoping for it to return to the last used application :p | 23:49 |
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| pdanek | Do you know if people are slowly porting all the fabulous games and emulators from Maemo? | 23:55 |
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| special | pdanek: are you? :> | 23:57 |
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| * stephg hope so, also, g'night! | 23:58 | |
| pdanek | special: nah, I'm not programmer | 23:58 |
| pdanek | special: just silly sysadmin | 23:58 |
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