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| ln- | is there a compass in jolla? | 00:15 |
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| Waitee | ln-: i think theres a digital compass in the phone but theres no software built to read it | 00:21 |
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| ln- | yes, i didn't expect software to exist yet. | 00:44 |
| ln- | is there a maximum number of items a pulley menu can have? even four items is nearly too much when using the screen in landscape mode. | 00:48 |
| ortylp | I wish us all happy and productive new year :) | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | May 2014 be the year of the linux phone! | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - gnu/linux | 01:01 |
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| MSameer | Morpog_Mobile: you pinged me? | 01:50 |
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| ottulo | uhh, that was bad | 02:19 |
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| ottulo | first I couldn't re-enable wlan and device lock settings would keep resetting to "not in use" | 02:19 |
| ottulo | store said there's a critical error with the app registry, claimed I have no apps installed and crashed when trying to install something new | 02:20 |
| ottulo | browser wouldn't load any pages | 02:20 |
| ottulo | fingerterm had lost the keyboard, which reappeared after fiddling with its settings, but when typing the text would appear almost outside the screen, only a row or two of pixels visible of the bottom | 02:21 |
| ottulo | pkcon refresh didn't run etc | 02:21 |
| ottulo | reboot seems to have fixed everything for now... | 02:21 |
| ottulo | but the app icons are in a random order again >_< | 02:21 |
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| Milhouse | is there a built in way to take a screenshot on Jolla? | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Iwould assume not - at least not easy UI wise - hence the store apps | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It would not surprise me if it can be done over ssh | 03:25 |
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| bef0rd | https://twitter.com/thp4/status/412721537918070785 | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:28 |
| Milhouse | many thanks both - installed lbt's app from the Jolla store and all good :) | 03:29 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys realize how amazing is to have Jolla out there? | 03:45 |
| pdanek | :D | 03:46 |
| pdanek | Happy New Year! | 03:46 |
| tehdely | tonight i switch to the jolla and turn off the n9 for good | 03:46 |
| tehdely | well, at least as my regular phone | 03:46 |
| tehdely | happy new year to all sailors and fans :) | 03:47 |
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| tehdely | hmm, play store disappeared from the launcher, conveniently right around when i last ran yandex store ;) | 04:13 |
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| micko_ | I got a notification of a system upgrade. when I tried to upgrade, it just dissapeared. version number the notification was the same I have installed | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have some kind of upgrade notification hiccup | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.2.5 is the one you're on? | 09:36 |
| micko_ | yes | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, don't worry then | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's the latest | 09:39 |
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| |disharmonic| | Morning and Happy New Year | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | you too | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/31/snapchat-user-info-leak/ - this quote from The West Wing really comes to mind: | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | It's not just about abortion, it's about the next 20 years. In the '20s and '30s it was the role of government. '50s and '60s it was civil rights. The next two decades are going to be privacy. I'm talking about the Internet. I'm talking about cell phones. I'm talking about health records and who's gay and who's not. And moreover, in a country born on the will to be free, what could be more fundamental than this? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | and why it's so important that we focus on user privacy of devices | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:56 |
| covox | when it comes to not giving a toss about privacy, it's pretty hard to compete with snapchat | 09:57 |
| covox | after these latest releases, it might as well be seen as full-blown contempt | 09:59 |
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| fk_lx | hi | 10:07 |
| fk_lx | nice affair with Snapchat | 10:07 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 10:07 |
| fk_lx | good that I'm not using that :-D | 10:08 |
| * tango_ never even really looked into what snapchat was actually supposed to be | 10:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | "world war 3 was started by parents finding out what their kids are -really- doing" | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | .. and kids finding out what their parents are doing | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:08 |
| * tango_ is suffering the aftereffects of yesterday dinner | 10:09 | |
| tango_ | this is WAY more serious than snapchat | 10:09 |
| fk_lx | I've read somewhere that Fb becomes less and less popular among teens, because it's a place where their parents are, so they can monitor their child activities | 10:09 |
| tango_ | and everybody will revert back to irc, as it was always meant to be | 10:10 |
| tango_ | woo us | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | so probably it's a good information for those who want do social media's for teens. Just make sure parents don't have access there :-P | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | and you business will grow | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 10:10 |
| fk_lx | *your | 10:11 |
| tango_ | next social network instead of requiring people to be > 13 years of age will require them to be < 25 years of age | 10:11 |
| fk_lx | yeah :-) | 10:11 |
| fk_lx | Wow, Jolla has become phone of the year 2013! | 10:11 |
| tango_ | too early IMO | 10:12 |
| cdp | Hmm, I just remembered something odd... the phone has restarted itself (or crashed?) 2-3 times in the first days after I got it. After that I never had reboots again. Has anyone else seen this? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | cdp: did you upgrade in meantime? | 10:16 |
| cdp | If I recall correctly I've upgraded right after getting it, and the reboots happened after that. | 10:17 |
| cdp | But in all honesty, I can't be 100% sure :\. | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | cdp: we do have some rebooting issues | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | we have saner watchdog in 1.0.2.5 so it may be that things that were previous freezes now are reboots | 10:18 |
| cdp | But there isn't any need to reboot, for instance some auto-configuration or 'hidden' updates going on in the background, right? | 10:19 |
| cdp | It was before 1.0.2.5. I got it about one week before Christmas, and there was already one upgrade available back then. | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | no hidden updates, it's not very user friendly | 10:21 |
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| fk_lx | yeah, hidden updates would fuel conspiracy theory fans from our community | 10:23 |
| the_mgt | hm, why does iphoto see my jolla phone but not finder? | 10:23 |
| fk_lx | and without that they are already very active ;-) | 10:23 |
| the_mgt | hello and happy new year, btw | 10:23 |
| fk_lx | the_mgt: happy new year | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: macos X and MTP is a bit of a funny story | 10:24 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: I didn't get the joke... ;) | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: so basically you need MTP support to access it, i think iphoto sees the PTP part of it | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: see https://together.jolla.com/question/282/usb-file-transfer-support-for-mac-os-x/ | 10:27 |
| tango_ | honestly I would love it to be exposed as a usb device with (up to) two drives | 10:27 |
| tango_ | at least for linux | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but do you have any idea how much a wreck the phone gets with mass storage indexing.. | 10:28 |
| the_mgt | iphoto at least tries to access it as a camera, seems to find the fotos, but no thumbnails | 10:28 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: what? | 10:28 |
| tango_ | mass storage indexing? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: yeah - long story short, you can't figure out what has changed of your media when the contents of the fs has been potentially changed | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | so you need to reindex | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | which kills your phone performance | 10:29 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: so how did the n900 handle this? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, apps need to understand files can disappear | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | very very badly | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
| tango_ | didn't it turn the fs read-only when in target mode? | 10:30 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: and mtp keeps track of the changes for the phone? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | mtp makes sure that the phone does the fs changes | 10:30 |
| the_mgt | anyway, now that i found out to use nemo as ssh user, sftp works as a workaround | 10:31 |
| tango_ | yeah but mtp is a HORRIBLE protocol | 10:31 |
| tango_ | hm, nfs? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: it is, but it also comes working out of box in most android hw adaptations toady | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | another option is 'virtual sd card' | 10:31 |
| suy | but making all the applications potentially unstable because you change the files underneath is even worse | 10:31 |
| suy | bb10 uses SMB, which is ok-ish to me, since in this linux distro version MTP is not easily available | 10:32 |
| micko_ | any idea what I need to install in my gentoo to see jolla's files over usb? | 10:32 |
| suy | And I assume all OSs have support | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | micko_: mtpfs or the likes | 10:32 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: what is virtual sd card? | 10:33 |
| the_mgt | micko_: eix mtp | 10:34 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: would it be impossible/insanely convoluted to expose a "fake" mass storage device over USB and read/write to the real filesystem accordingly? (or is the device exposed at a lower level than that?) | 10:34 |
| cdp | I seem to recall there's such a project for Linux already | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | tango_: think a sd card file within the sd | 10:36 |
| cdp | http://www.linux-usb.org/gadget/file_storage.html | 10:37 |
| FireFly | micko_: eix mtp | 10:37 |
| FireFly | uh | 10:37 |
| FireFly | oops, mispaste | 10:37 |
| Trizt | I think someone made some logical thought error when they implemented time adjustment based on timezone to the Jolla, all files downloaded from it has an off-sync unless you have EET | 10:38 |
| the_mgt | ah, btw, what about ntp? | 10:39 |
| FireFly | cdp: hm, so that + a partitioned hard-drive would essentially make up an external disk? | 10:39 |
| FireFly | exposing the drive over USB | 10:39 |
| Trizt | the_mgt: no, it's not about the time to be synced, it's all the logic that converts time that has flaw | 10:40 |
| cdp | FireFly, never really tried it, but as I understand it can expose a device or file over usb. On the other you would see it as usb mass storage. | 10:42 |
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| the_mgt | Trizt: yes, I got that. still, I'd like to have a ntp time source | 10:44 |
| Trizt | the_mgt: sure, the best you can is to get the time from your operator and hope they have it based on ntp | 10:44 |
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| Trizt | but should be simple to just use a arm compiled ntp package | 10:46 |
| Trizt | time to get ready | 10:47 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: anyway to disable the Jolla logic for timezone adjustments? Wish to have basic linux behaviour, feels things would function better | 10:48 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: that doesn't really solve the main issue, which (for me) would be to have direct access to the phone fs | 10:50 |
| tango_ | if I understand what that does, it's just to expose a file as a disk (image) | 10:51 |
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| tango_ | I think some network filesystem is probably the best idea | 10:51 |
| tango_ | either smb or nfs | 10:51 |
| the_mgt | bit of an overkill | 10:52 |
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| FireFly | tango_: there's always sshfs | 10:54 |
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| Pnuu | sshfs ftw | 10:58 |
| Kiranos | before to make phones compatible with mounting on windows they had to use a fat* partition schema, I see now jolla seems to be using btrfs and ext4 has windows become better at reading/understanding linux partitions or how did jolla move away from FAT? | 11:01 |
| cdp | Is there anything I can do to improve how the email client is syncing, even at the expense of battery? | 11:03 |
| Pnuu | Kiranos: MTP | 11:04 |
| cdp | It seems to be related to timers: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1400078&postcount=295 | 11:04 |
| Kiranos | Pnuu: thanks can you explain? or a link to MTP explaination? | 11:04 |
| Pnuu | Kiranos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol | 11:05 |
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| Kiranos | ost MTP-compatible devices are not assigned drive letters; instead, they appear as "devices" in applications such as Windows Explorer. | 11:06 |
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| Kiranos | Hm and is it only media files? Cant I mount the disk as H: and transfer whatever I want? | 11:07 |
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| suy | Kiranos: you can transfer any file, or course. Even data. But it doesn't appear as a drive letter | 11:18 |
| suy | The protocol is supposed to be smart enough to not need unmounting of the FS | 11:18 |
| Venemo | morning | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 11:20 |
| Trizt | PTP is quite slow, take for ever to detect the files, miss some mass storage option | 11:21 |
| Trizt | by the way, is there something wrong with the jolla store, 3rd time today I have a notification of an update, when trying to update there is nothing to update | 11:24 |
| Tofe | morning ! | 11:25 |
| Trizt | Kiranos: MTP is today the most commonly used way, sadly it's a pita in Linux as no good client been written, companies just want to write the service for Linux nothing else | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: yes, there's some kind of issue where it keeps on saying there's an update -- new years really kicked in for that, so | 11:26 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: the 2014 bug? ;) | 11:26 |
| Venemo | lol | 11:29 |
| Venemo | in the meantime, here's my newest bugreport on the email app: https://together.jolla.com/question/8084/bug-email-app-scroll-position-is-messed-up-when-switching-between-folders/ | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: i would say 'staff at minimum due to needed post-holiday thing' | 11:32 |
| Tofe | btw, I thought that the white email preview from the notifications was fixed with the latest update ? Am I wrong ? | 11:33 |
| Tofe | because I still reproduce it | 11:33 |
| Venemo | Tofe: if was advertised as fixed but it happens still | 11:33 |
| Tofe | ok | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: the email app case is a bit funky, i'm not sure if it was rolled back or not | 11:34 |
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| Andy80 | morning guys | 11:37 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: will there be a check of subfolders for new mail in the next update? | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know, not my area | 11:37 |
| HarhaanJ1htaja | isnt it that you got new email application with the update and the store now has older version? | 11:37 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: whom can I troll about that? | 11:37 |
| Venemo | Trizt: see the comments below this question: https://together.jolla.com/question/1080/email-app-cover-shows-number-of-unread-mails-in-currently-selected-folder/ | 11:38 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps you have an idea why, after renaming my app to harbour-sailsoma, the "Deploy by binary copy" doesn't work anymore? I mean... the problem is that it looks like it tries to execute a wrong binary at the end of the deploy process and I get this error: bash: /opt/sdk/SailSoma/usr/bin/harbour-sailsoma: No such file or directory | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | no, sorry | 11:42 |
| Andy80 | ok, thanks anyway :) | 11:43 |
| Venemo | Andy80: because it puts the executable into the wrong place | 11:43 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it's there in a different folder, you can execute it manually | 11:43 |
| Andy80 | Venemo what should be the correct folder? /opt/sdk/harbour-sailsoma/usr/bin/harbour-sailsoma ? | 11:44 |
| Venemo | dunno, look around in /opt/sdk/... | 11:44 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: anyway I would like to avoid executing it manually... how can I instruct QtCreator to execute it from the correct path? | 11:45 |
| Venemo | for me, last time it happened it was the folder of the componentgally app | 11:45 |
| Venemo | Andy80: you can ask qtcreator to execute something else... see project tab, run tab | 11:45 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: I confirm, it's inside /opt/sdk/harbour-sailsoma/ :) | 11:46 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo oh right... the run path says /opt/sdk/SailSoma/ that is the old one... it looks like I cannot modify it, but maybe I can add a new one and delete the old one... | 11:47 |
| Venemo | Andy80: there's an option called "alternate executable" and a checkbox next to it | 11:48 |
| Andy80 | ah ok | 11:48 |
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| lbt | Happy New Year everyone - a toast to some good sailing ahead :) | 11:56 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo your suggested method works! It's a shame I cannot modify the existing configuration anyway :/ | 11:58 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it's a shame the SDK is a buggy hell | 11:59 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: if I could take a decision, I would opt to dedicate resources to SDK first and to the product then :) | 12:03 |
| lbt | Venemo: it would be worth (constructively) highlighting the most annoying bugs in the SDK in together posts; many of them we're aware of but tbh this project rename is not something that's been tested. | 12:03 |
| Andy80 | lbt: I wasn't aware that I must name everything with harbour-* before reading the FAQ AFTER the app was ready to be published.. | 12:04 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:04 |
| Andy80 | lbt: maybe the SDK wizard could already name the app for us? | 12:04 |
| Andy80 | or at least a checkbox when you create the project "Name the app to be Harbour compatible yes/no" | 12:05 |
| lbt | well - don't forget that the SDK is based on QtCreator. It's not sensible to diverge too much from upstream | 12:05 |
| lbt | and afaik the upstream wizard process part isn't *that* flexible :) | 12:06 |
| lbt | and, to be fair, the naming thing was a bit of a late cock-up | 12:07 |
| lbt | Andy80: personally I'd rather see any 'spare' SDK effort go into better gdb support and resolve these get-going hickups in other ways :) | 12:08 |
| Andy80 | lbt: I sadly know how little is flexible the wizard :P (I collaborated with Ubuntu for the same thing on Ubuntu Touch prohect months ago), but the wizard is something that you implement with a plugin. So it's a matter of adding the feature to the Jolla SDK plugin, without affecting the base code | 12:08 |
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| lbt | really? OK - in that case it may be worth looking at. | 12:09 |
| lbt | Also please bitch about the SDK source not being available | 12:09 |
| cvp | Happy New Yeah :D | 12:09 |
| lbt | as this kind of thing is where community fixes would be awesome | 12:09 |
| lbt | and it's QtC under GPL - it should be published :) | 12:09 |
| Andy80 | lbt: QtC is, not plugins :D | 12:10 |
| Andy80 | lbt: if you write a plugin without modifyin the QtC source code, you're not forced to publish the source code afaik | 12:11 |
| lbt | *nod* | 12:11 |
| lbt | and just FYI - the only reason our code is not available is stupid issues with having branded stuff in the repos :( | 12:11 |
| Andy80 | lbt: branded stuff like...? an example if you can | 12:12 |
| lbt | the sailfish logo | 12:12 |
| lbt | ... that's it really | 12:13 |
| Andy80 | O_o | 12:13 |
| Andy80 | who cares about the logo :D ? I mean... if community cannot use it without permission, that's perfectly ok. I think people is interested in everything else, not the logo :) | 12:13 |
| lbt | yep | 12:14 |
| lbt | I tried to maintain a 'working' git repo which used an anonymous logo but it was "too hard" :/ | 12:14 |
| lbt | but anyhow ... the SDK guys have it on their list ... they'll sort it out | 12:14 |
| suy | Errrm, only that logo? For such a simple thing it would be OK to have it out of the source and adding it when building the sdk for distribution, isn't it? | 12:15 |
| suy | You could even do a simple "hook" with the qt-installer-fw | 12:15 |
| lbt | you don't have to tell me :) | 12:15 |
| suy | :) | 12:15 |
| Andy80 | suy: I think that's part of "they will sort it out" :) | 12:15 |
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| suy | BTW, how big is the delta with upstream qt? I hope is close to 0. But it would be nice to have some stuff like Q_OS_SAILFISH define, etc. | 12:17 |
| lbt | suy: not huge. The idea is to get the plugin into upstream | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | i think he meant qt in general | 12:18 |
| lbt | ah | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | suy: we have several skilled qtdeclarative developers so in a productization there's always a delta | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | but we really really try to upstream when/if we can | 12:18 |
| lbt | suy: and Qt is in mer-core | 12:18 |
| Andy80 | "Qt: write once, #ifdef everywhere", I remember THP writing this years ago :D | 12:18 |
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| suy | I thought it would be impossible to see more #ifdefs that in Qt's sources... Than I saw Vim's. :-D | 12:20 |
| suy | lbt: which plugin you meant? QPA? | 12:21 |
| lbt | the 'Mer' plugin | 12:21 |
| lbt | ie the VM handling | 12:21 |
| suy | Ah, in Creator, ok. | 12:21 |
| lbt | yeah - I missed the context switch :) | 12:21 |
| Andy80 | going away for lunch, see you later guys :) | 12:22 |
| lbt | o/ | 12:22 |
| Andy80 | buon appetito! | 12:22 |
| suy | Andy80: o/ | 12:22 |
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| Venemo | lbt: speaking of the SDK, it's full of these little issues, like sometimes it can't start the VMs, sometimes it runs rpmbuild even though I asked it not to build an RPM, etc | 12:23 |
| suy | I have to admit that I could find good use of digging in Qt Creator's sources to make a small plugin. Even such a simple thing of compiling in a chroot, or simply starting QVFB (I do embedded at work :P) is impossible without a silly one line shell script. | 12:24 |
| lbt | Venemo: it *always* runs rpmbuild :) | 12:24 |
| lbt | Venemo: there's a good design reason behind that :) | 12:24 |
| lbt | (IMNSHO) | 12:25 |
| Venemo | really? | 12:25 |
| lbt | yeah - the build always runs in the same context | 12:25 |
| Venemo | but it's lots slower this way | 12:26 |
| lbt | you profiled it? | 12:26 |
| lbt | what *is* slower is running in a VM ... but the question is 'how much' and then 'is it worth it' ? | 12:27 |
| lbt | do you know how many people MeeGo had on their VM ... and what platforms could they support? | 12:27 |
| lbt | we can support win/mac/all linux (32+64) ... so the cost/benefit is pretty good | 12:28 |
| lbt | so I'm not saying it's the fastest SDK on the planet :) | 12:28 |
| lbt | but it should be plenty fast enough | 12:28 |
| Venemo | okay lbt | 12:29 |
| lbt | and there are other, lower level, SDK tools around for higher performance :) | 12:29 |
| lbt | :) just explaining what has been seen as a bit of an issue | 12:29 |
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| Venemo | lbt: okay :) | 12:34 |
| Venemo | brb | 12:34 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: do you have any idea why I can deploy to the device using thr binary copy but I cannot deploy with rpm build? If I choose rpm build, the rpms are generated, but before deploying that I get a timeout connection from Mer VM and the VM is then stopped :/ | 12:49 |
| lbt | check (and maybe pastie) the compile output | 12:50 |
| Andy80 | lbt: ok, give me one moment... | 12:51 |
| Andy80 | lbt: here http://pastebin.com/hpd0Mpp0 | 12:54 |
| Andy80 | lbt: note, the rpms have been generated correctly (if I wanted to install it on the device I would have to manually copy the rpm and install it, it works) | 12:55 |
| Andy80 | lbt: and now the Mer SDK VM icon is green (waiting for me to press Play), while before starting the deploy it was red (running) | 12:56 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: any idea :) ? | 13:16 |
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| cvp | have someone problems with the sound in video playback? sometime stop the audio but video plays | 13:25 |
| Andy80 | cvp: I've a similar problem with audio streaming | 13:28 |
| Andy80 | cvp: if a system sound is played the streaming is interrupted | 13:28 |
| cvp | is it fixable ? | 13:30 |
| cvp | sorry mean, can it fixed ? | 13:31 |
| Andy80 | cvp: I wasn't able to fix it.. I mean... it's something I've never worried about in other platforms... I assume it's a bug of Sailfish :P | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, some streams will take priority | 13:33 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: I was expecting both sounds to be played at the same time (for example if I'm listening to Spotify on my PC and a mail notification comes, the music is not interrupted), anyway in a couple of occasions the behaviour was even worse, not only the sound was interrupted but even the stream. In my case I had to click on another radio channel (aka: start a new streaming) to resume music playing | 13:36 |
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| ggabriel | happy new year to y'all | 13:40 |
| ortylp | :) | 13:41 |
| cvp | tanks, you too | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Andy80: the problem is then that it can be hard to tell if the music is such that the user is likely to hear it. | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's 'notification noises jam' - then perhaps not. | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Cutting the music - or perhaps fading the level down - is not an insane answer. | 13:43 |
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| ggabriel | i personally like the fact that the music stops when an sms/email comes in | 13:44 |
| Andy80 | SpeedEvil: cutting the volume of the music can be ok... but in my case the audio streaming was interrupted.... I mean the network streaming. I had to resume it starting a new radio. | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | i guess you can silence the phone to avoid that | 13:44 |
| Andy80 | it happened only a couple of time anyway | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | ofc what you report, Andy80, looks more like a bug (interruption of stream) | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - missed that - I'm not entirely awake. | 13:45 |
| Andy80 | me neither :D | 13:45 |
| Andy80 | this means I need another coffee :P | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: maybe you're not awake, this can be a dream | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Nightmare. | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | the battery life of the jolla may be kind of insanely long | 13:47 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: after upgrading to 1.0.2.5, even with tohd deactivated, is not anymore for me :/ 1.0.1 was far better | 13:47 |
| Andy80 | and I don't have any SIM inside | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | it | 13:48 |
| Andy80 | just wifi | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | i ought to test it with a sim card, mind you | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, stezz updated the release notes of 1.0.2.5 two hours ago, but what did he change? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i .. don't actually know | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | it may have been e-mail related | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: you use android? | 13:48 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: yes | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | on 3g it burns like an american car, as expected | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | i haven't installed that yet | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | there should be a github like diff view for edits with highlighting | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: yeap, i fear that | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | but otherwise it could be _the_ usp of the phone for the common folk | 13:49 |
| Morpog_PC | oh there acutally is a diff view :D | 13:49 |
| Morpog_PC | he added: Also sometimes Android apps don't play any sound anymore. Here as well restarting Aliendalvik service fixes the issue. | 13:50 |
| Andy80 | a bug that I've just noticed, the Calendar app is not able to get all the events of a day. For example on FB I've 3 birthdays and the Calendar only display 1 | 13:50 |
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| lbt | Andy80: got that pastie | 14:05 |
| lbt | that is really odd | 14:05 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: note, I'm on OSX, it could be some platform related bug | 14:05 |
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| lbt | can you ssh into the VM and redo it - see if the ssh session is closed | 14:06 |
| Andy80 | lbt: sure, let me try | 14:06 |
| lbt | also, possibly run journalctl -f as root | 14:07 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: uhm... what is the IP of the Mer VM? | 14:08 |
| lbt | 127.0.0.1 | 14:08 |
| lbt | port 2222 | 14:08 |
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| * covox watches a presentation entitled "X Security: It's worse than it looks" | 14:11 | |
| Andy80 | lbt: uhm Andreas-MacBook-Air:sailsoma andrea [master] $ ssh root@127.0.0.1:2222 | 14:11 |
| Andy80 | ssh: Could not resolve hostname 127.0.0.1:2222: nodename nor servname provided, or not known | 14:11 |
| Andy80 | but I can enter into Mer VM from vbox | 14:12 |
| lbt | ssh -p 2222 root@127.0.0.01 | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | with cmd+F2 | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | Andreas-MacBook-Air:sailsoma andrea [master] $ ssh -p 2222 nemo@127.0.0.1 | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | Permission denied (publickey). | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | uff... | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | let me try with its ip | 14:13 |
| Andy80 | nope... | 14:14 |
| Andy80 | I can't ssh into it | 14:14 |
| lbt | I assumed you'd setup the key part : https://sailfishos.org//develop-faq.html | 14:15 |
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| lbt | easy way is to add an entry to ~/.ssh/config | 14:15 |
| Andy80 | let me read the faq.. | 14:16 |
| Andy80 | lbt: first a question... I don't have this screen https://sailfishos.org//images/sdk_control_center.png at all | 14:17 |
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| lbt | Andy80: do you have the icon ? | 14:17 |
| Andy80 | lbt: I've the Sailfish icon but if I enter inside it's just like the css, images etc... are missing | 14:18 |
| Andy80 | I get a pure html black/white graphic | 14:18 |
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| lbt | Andy80: the server is running on 8080 on localhost -make sure it's not conflictin | 14:19 |
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| Andy80 | wait.... now the vm crashed.... | 14:20 |
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| Andy80 | lbt: uff... VM restarted but now QtC just shows a blank page in SailfishOS tab :( | 14:23 |
| Andy80 | and now the VM is off again... wth | 14:23 |
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| Andy80 | it's not possible to work like this | 14:23 |
| lbt | Andy80: did the ssh session with journalctl -f say anything | 14:23 |
| Andy80 | lbt: I cannot ssh into it as I told you | 14:24 |
| lbt | did you read the FAQ | 14:24 |
| lbt | ssh -p 2222 -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost | 14:24 |
| Andy80 | lbt: not yet.. can't do many things at the same time :) I started reading it and I noticed that the screen was different and I told you etc... | 14:24 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:24 |
| lbt | I missed that you were using the nemo user too :) | 14:25 |
| Andy80 | now I need to kill again the vm because it crashed | 14:25 |
| Andy80 | lbt: ok, I'm inside it with ssh | 14:26 |
| Andy80 | lbt: the journal etc... must be executed from root? | 14:26 |
| lbt | yes | 14:26 |
| Andy80 | done... do you want me to paste the output somewhere? | 14:27 |
| Andy80 | lbt: http://pastebin.com/ErUicFph | 14:28 |
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| lbt | so now do a build that causes the VM to shutdown | 14:29 |
| Andy80 | ok, let me try... | 14:29 |
| Andy80 | lbt: it didn't crash, but I got the same error: Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server. | 14:30 |
| Andy80 | 15:30:16: The process "/Users/andrea/.config/SailfishAlpha3/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-armv7hl/deploy" exited with code 1. | 14:30 |
| Andy80 | Error while building/deploying project SailSoma (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl) | 14:30 |
| Andy80 | When executing step 'Rpm' | 14:30 |
| Morpog_PC | wouldn't #sailfishos better suited for that type of discussion? :D | 14:30 |
| lbt | yes | 14:31 |
| Andy80 | now it crashed! | 14:31 |
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| lbt | Andy80: lets move over there | 14:31 |
| Andy80 | yeah sorry | 14:32 |
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| krnlyng | just bought a jolla :) | 14:51 |
| Iltsu | (y) | 14:53 |
| ortylp | This is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l7ixRE3OCw Including some notes of quality of Qt :( | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | krnlyng: \o/ | 14:53 |
| ortylp | X Security - It's worse than it looks [30c3] | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | good thing we're not running X then | 14:54 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: yep, but Qt is not great either in this context | 14:54 |
| vegai | ortylp: can you point at the time where Qt is mentioned? | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | hehe, nothing is ever secure in the ccc ;-) | 14:56 |
| ortylp | vegal: 00:14:00, but it makes sense only in the whole context, so better watch it from the beginning | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | krnlyng: Congratulations! | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | krnlyng: \o/ re jolla | 14:57 |
| vegai | ortylp: ok | 14:57 |
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| tango_ | [ | 15:06 |
| covox | ortylp: it's interesting viewing | 15:12 |
| covox | the qt bit is mostly about how the library isn't setuid safe | 15:13 |
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| Iltsu | I installed arm-version of bittorrentsync, any ideas how to start it at boot? Somehow via upstart? | 15:15 |
| covox | I did like the mixture of hatred and terror he expressed towards GLX | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | GLX should just die | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| __pv_ | Iltsu: it has systemd instead of upstart. | 15:16 |
| Iltsu | ouuu | 15:16 |
| covox | Stskeeps: agreed | 15:16 |
| MSameer | Qt being Qt | 15:16 |
| ortylp | covox: for me most critical was the response from qt devel, just depressing | 15:17 |
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| covox | I can sort of see the logic as to why they pooh-poohed his security research, but that doesn't really justify their inaction | 15:20 |
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| tango_ | link? (text, not video) | 15:24 |
| covox | don't think there's a transcript... it's pretty long | 15:25 |
| tango_ | meh | 15:25 |
| Iltsu | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_make_a_script_start_during_the_boot_process.3F | 15:25 |
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| Iltsu | tried with that, but it didn't work :( | 15:25 |
| covox | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU1NzA - dodgy phoronix summary | 15:25 |
| __pv_ | is the brightness control in the phone settings supposed to do something? has no effect in my unit... | 15:26 |
| hene- | __pv_, it does. it slowly changes brightness | 15:26 |
| hene- | hit it to the lowest and wait a sec | 15:26 |
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| __pv_ | ok, now I see it. the ux was a bit confusing | 15:28 |
| hene- | yep | 15:28 |
| MSameer | __pv_: if you want a constant brightness, you can disable ALS from display_ | 15:30 |
| MSameer | ) | 15:30 |
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| covox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 - this talk about X/wayland was referenced in that X security one | 15:34 |
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| covox | it's quite good, lots of sarcasm and heckling | 15:35 |
| covox | this guy used to be on the maemo team, I think he's now employed by collabora to work on wayland | 15:37 |
| Venemo | ortylp: actually the thing is not that easy | 15:38 |
| Venemo | ortylp: Qt uses XCB, not Xlib, for a start | 15:38 |
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| Stskeeps | (in qt5..) | 15:41 |
| ortylp | Venemo: I do agree, IT IS NOT EASY, but from my experience each time I need to debug some GUI (at work) with valgrind it boils down to adding new suppressions for all those GUI libraries Qt is using until I get to the stuff I was looking for. I am not writing GUIs myself, but I have to keep my colleagues in check and hel them clean up their bugs :( | 15:42 |
| Venemo | who cares about Qt4 anymore? | 15:42 |
| Venemo | ortylp: I understand | 15:42 |
| ortylp | Venemo: and suprise, surprise, we stil do depend on qt3support libraries | 15:42 |
| Venemo | ortylp: also, one of the commenters tried to find his bugreports in Qt but he didn't find any | 15:43 |
| ortylp | Venemo: security bugs are usually reported on other channel | 15:44 |
| Venemo | also, the guy pronounces and writes Qt incorrectly | 15:45 |
| covox | no wonder his arguments are invalid :P | 15:47 |
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| RzR | IICR he was one of debian x maintainers | 15:56 |
| ortylp | covox: LOL :D | 15:56 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: sent mail to care.. :p | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | about? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:07 |
| Venemo | ortylp: I love how he goes on bashing GLX | 16:07 |
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| ggabriel | this guy speaks way too quickly for his level of diction | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | and i thought i was bad... | 16:16 |
| ortylp | Venemo: yeah, it must have been really frustrating for him, I cannot comment on that, as I have not worked with GL, I am developing and implementing signal processing algorithms (octave/C/C++) and sometimes refactoring large chunks of (C/C++) legacy code... | 16:18 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: I was listening to it at 1.5x realtime, but yes, I could not keep up with slides :) | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: i'm impressed, i can hardly understand him at 1x | 16:19 |
| Venemo | ortylp: everyone's bashing GLX so I bet it's really that bad | 16:20 |
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| ortylp | ggabriel: it comes with time, I am now not able to listen at 1x because the slowness is really annoying. I hope gPodder gets speed control implemented for Jolla. | 16:24 |
| stephg | anyone here in Europe/London or another non Finnish TZ that saw the alarm clock bug? | 16:25 |
| covox | stephg: does it count as a bug if it annoys the crap out of me on a public holiday | 16:25 |
| stephg | ha | 16:26 |
| stephg | maybe, but I think there's another one and I want someone to test :) | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | stephg: am in lon | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | what bug? :) | 16:26 |
| stephg | create a new alarm for a minute or two from now | 16:26 |
| stephg | and let it go off | 16:26 |
| stephg | on mine it shows two times: the bottom one is the current time (or the time you've let it snooze, i.e. the alarm time, or +5 min, +10 etc) | 16:27 |
| stephg | top one I think is the time the alarm is set to go off, but for me it's +1 hour like the old bug was | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | stephg: i'll tell you in a minute | 16:28 |
| stephg | I'd post a screenshot but off the top of my head don't know the command-line to take one:- you can't interact with the phone without snoozing the alarm | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | stephg: oh, yeah, what do you know | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | not sure why there are 2 times in the first place | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | but you're right, seems like the old bug | 16:29 |
| stephg | yeah that's odd, but I'm pretty sure the top one should be in the same TZ | 16:29 |
| stephg | does look the same doesn't iot | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | 16.29 and 17.29 basically, alarm was for 16.29 | 16:30 |
| stephg | yep | 16:30 |
| pcfe | Finally! wrangled NSSdb into shape | 16:30 |
| stephg | where in London are you btw | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | se6 (circa lewisham) | 16:30 |
| stephg | cool, now live north but used to live in canada water | 16:31 |
| stephg | anyway, isn't a serious one but just wanted to check I wasn't going amd | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | yeah, just report it i guess | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | easily reproducible | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to this email not responding one | 16:32 |
| stephg | ^ which one that? | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/8116/bug-email-does-not-respond/ | 16:32 |
| stephg | ew | 16:33 |
| stephg | deadlock | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | the reporter may be right, i just can't pull it off in my phone | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | maybe he's using android ;-) | 16:33 |
| stephg | I get lots of mail, I can try :) | 16:33 |
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| stephg | well I didn't get not responding but then reading a new one that's just come in has taken over 2 minutes now | 16:38 |
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| stephg | jolla-email and lipstick chewing through my cpu | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | what's lipstick btw? | 16:38 |
| stephg | /usr/bin/lipstick | 16:39 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: it is the home screen process | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: lipstick is the compositor, it'll always use a fair bit of cpu | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | ah, thanks | 16:40 |
| stephg | Stskeeps yeah, think it was whilst drawing the spindicator | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | stephg: you use android? | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | i mean, the alien dalvik application? | 16:43 |
| stephg | yep | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | i wonder what happens if you switch it off (like with systemctl) | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | as i can't reproduce that bug at all | 16:44 |
| stephg | yep one sec | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | it's as smooth as butter | 16:44 |
| stephg | (though I didn't have a window open, I guess that doesn't mean there aren't apps running) | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | it does try to update the mailbox for each delete tho, not sure that's ok | 16:44 |
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| stephg | I've seen funny things in the mail app before with deletes, I'm keeping track of that with https://together.jolla.com/question/2499/performance-email-app-unresponsive-when-deleting-50-emails/ ) | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | from its behaviour, it does look like it should queue actions rather than commit them constantly to the imap server | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | i should tail the log to confirm | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | maybe when the headache goes away | 16:47 |
| stephg | ggabriel was under the impression it was a local thing rather than actually issuing imap commands:- it's messageserver that actually does the imap interaction? | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | i've no idea, i was going to tail the logs on the server :) | 16:47 |
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| ggabriel | hehe, i got karma taken away from a question that i didn't contribute at all, or at least can't remember doing so | 16:50 |
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| petantik | ever since, i masked tohd.service my battery life has been very good. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | good | 17:02 |
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| ggabriel | are we expecting more power optimisaitons btw? | 17:04 |
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| PeterPark | petantik: same here: Battery life exceeds my n900: I recharge it approx. every 2 days (no data service, but WLAN, ) on my n900 I recharged usually 1 every 18-24 hours | 17:06 |
| petantik | PeterPark: Yup, i've been unplugged for 4 hours and only lost 5% | 17:08 |
| w00t | ggabriel: I think it's always the case that software is never finished :) | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | w00t: yeah, i know, i guess i was asking more about anything significant in the pipeline, that's all | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | and just curious really | 17:10 |
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| petantik | I wonder if there's a possible usecase for sliding left and right when using the pulley menu. autoscroll? sliders? | 17:13 |
| faenil | my connman is talking bs :D | 17:19 |
| faenil | has anyone seen connection attempt loop with 3g data? | 17:20 |
| Bysmyyr | https://together.jolla.com/question/8219/put-5-point-multi-touch-to-use/ | 17:20 |
| CoderCandy | m | 17:22 |
| CoderCandy | a | 17:23 |
| CoderCandy | sorry about spam, trying to figore out this glitch I jost got. | 17:25 |
| CoderCandy | I love it btw | 17:25 |
| Bysmyyr | loving = voting ;) | 17:26 |
| CoderCandy | remote keyboard or whatever crashed, so I have a permanent transparent keyboard in android mode | 17:27 |
| Bysmyyr | yep, that is old problem, should be fixd in newest version | 17:27 |
| CoderCandy | WHAT? | 17:27 |
| CoderCandy | Aww | 17:27 |
| CoderCandy | Ircing on this phone has never been as nice as it is now... | 17:28 |
| CoderCandy | Also, how do I force this bug to happen? | 17:29 |
| CoderCandy | I wanna use it to irxc :p | 17:30 |
| CoderCandy | irc* | 17:30 |
| Bysmyyr | I think it is just random | 17:31 |
| Bysmyyr | Write to tjc about it and ask it for option | 17:32 |
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| petantik | how close do the jolla people work with the people who provide alien dalvik? | 18:29 |
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| AJAX555 | is there any patch notes for upcoming patches? | 18:40 |
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| Pnuu | petantik: if I'm not entirely wrong, Stskeeps made alien dalvik :-P | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | no no | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't | 18:46 |
| Pnuu | ok, then I was :-D | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris, android hardware adaptations, yes, but alien dalvik is none of my doing | 18:46 |
| Pnuu | ah, right | 18:46 |
| fk_lx | alien dalvik is Myriad work :-) | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | if it was mine it'd probably be open source and jolla'd probably be bankrupt | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:46 |
| fk_lx | haha :-) | 18:47 |
| tango_ | well, no | 18:47 |
| fk_lx | so true | 18:47 |
| fk_lx | :-D | 18:47 |
| tango_ | since it wouldn't have had to pay for it | 18:47 |
| tango_ | now I assume jolla is shelling monies for each phone they get out, for license to myriad? | 18:47 |
| tango_ | anyway, fix the stupid dns thing | 18:47 |
| ggabriel | tango_: hopefully for every person who installs it ;-) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: i think we just need past holidays and the dns thing will be looked at | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably just some standard system propery | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | ty | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | i personally use 8.8.8.8 myself as my wifi router DNS sucks and so does my isp's | 18:49 |
| tango_ | it is, but apparently setting it in /system/default.prop or whatever doesn t work | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | of course not, /system isn't where alien's root is | 18:49 |
| tango_ | I've looked into every single .prop file in the machine, added net.dns1 = 127.0.0.1 to it and it gets ignored | 18:49 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: it wasn't /system, it was something something / system | 18:49 |
| tango_ | anyway | 18:49 |
| tehdely | the android support has been alright for me, but it seems like a lot of the privacy-stealing features of android don't work | 18:59 |
| tehdely | which is both a bug and a feature | 18:59 |
| tehdely | it's a bug because i really want snapchat to be able to access my phone book ;) | 19:00 |
| tehdely | it's a feature because "oh right, this is one of the reasons i've never wanted android" | 19:00 |
| tango_ | snapchat, eh | 19:02 |
| tango_ | did you see the recent snapchat leak news? | 19:02 |
| tehdely | yes | 19:02 |
| tehdely | good thing i signed up right after they patched that stupid hole | 19:03 |
| tehdely | the swine | 19:03 |
| tehdely | thing is, a bunch of my friends use it and i have actually wanted to use snapchat for a long while now | 19:03 |
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| petantik | no more bad hair day pics. | 19:04 |
| pdanek | How can I turn off sound when typing phone number? The only way I found is going into silent mode. | 19:11 |
| pdanek | When I turn off all sound feedbacks, it still makes the sound. | 19:11 |
| pdanek | Seems like a bug. | 19:12 |
| pdanek | Or forgotten thing. | 19:12 |
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| AJAX555 | I wonder why my ubuntu crashes everytime I try uploading a video to my jolla with usb-cable.. | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | MTP or scp? | 19:28 |
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| AJAX555 | drag & drop, dunno which one it uses | 19:30 |
| zorael | Has anyone gotten Google Play to work? I installed it as per http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html and it sort of works, but the store itself crashes on open | 19:30 |
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| tehdely | are there any repos i can add to install some basic unix tools | 19:31 |
| tehdely | i want 'less' | 19:31 |
| tehdely | and 'bash-completion' | 19:31 |
| tehdely | among others :) | 19:31 |
| zorael | (tmux pls) | 19:31 |
| zorael | mosh | 19:31 |
| tehdely | what, screen + ssh isn't good enough? ;) | 19:32 |
| tehdely | do you know how stoked i was that my phone included screen | 19:32 |
| tehdely | out of the box | 19:32 |
| zorael | :3 | 19:32 |
| zorael | tmux is sex | 19:32 |
| tehdely | now to figure out what's guzzling battery | 19:32 |
| tehdely | i disabled the tohd service, per some ppls suggestions | 19:32 |
| zorael | stopped tohd.service? | 19:32 |
| zorael | oh | 19:32 |
| parasemic | zorael, did you remember to type the space between /system and /opt? | 19:32 |
| tehdely | i bet you alien dalvik sucks juice up | 19:32 |
| tehdely | does it spin up background processes? | 19:32 |
| parasemic | tehdely, are you sure you stopped the tohd.service | 19:33 |
| tehdely | yeah i stopped it | 19:33 |
| parasemic | and masked it? | 19:33 |
| tehdely | i disabled it, yeah | 19:33 |
| tehdely | oh you know what i really need? avahi | 19:33 |
| tehdely | i found a build for my n9 a while back | 19:33 |
| tehdely | and it registers with mdns every time it associates to a wifi network | 19:34 |
| tehdely | makes it handy to ssh to the phone | 19:34 |
| parasemic | i think "disable" didn't do anything | 19:34 |
| zorael | parasemic: I extracted it properly, aye -- a diff shows some new files, some files changed | 19:34 |
| parasemic | i had to 'stop' and 'mask' so its offline and wont start | 19:34 |
| zorael | er no, no files changed, sorry | 19:35 |
| zorael | since --ignore-existing | 19:35 |
| Pnuu | tehdely: did you do "sysctl stop tohd.service" and "sysctl mask tohd.service"? | 19:35 |
| tehdely | ok, masked it | 19:35 |
| parasemic | tehdely what does "status" say now? | 19:36 |
| tehdely | Loaded: masked (/dev/null) | 19:36 |
| tehdely | Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Wed, 01 Jan 2014 11:03:34 -0800; 32min ago | 19:36 |
| tehdely | Main PID: 1622 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) | 19:36 |
| tehdely | looks good to me | 19:36 |
| zorael | point in case: new alien/system/app contains Google apks, old one does not | 19:36 |
| parasemic | also, people have been saying tweetian is eating up the battery | 19:37 |
| tehdely | is that the default twitter app | 19:37 |
| tehdely | twitter apps always guzzled battery on my n9 | 19:37 |
| parasemic | also, i think the Jopas app turns on the gps while the options still say its turned off | 19:37 |
| tehdely | i haven't met one that's well-behaved TBH | 19:38 |
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| parasemic | no, tweetian is 3rd party twitter app | 19:38 |
| tehdely | oh ok | 19:38 |
| tehdely | i'm hoping some other qt apps find their way over | 19:38 |
| tehdely | i want sports-tracker and podcatcher | 19:38 |
| tehdely | and has anyoen created a repo for just basic unix tools that are missing | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | tehdely: ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon search name less | 19:41 |
| Morpog_PC | tehdely, I guess tweetian is eating the more battery, the shorter the refresh time is, or worse when using livestreaming | 19:41 |
| Morpog_PC | but you can set that in settings of tweetian | 19:41 |
| tehdely | anyway to check battery status from a shell? | 19:42 |
| ShadowJK | Examine files in /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ | 19:42 |
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| tehdely | Pnuu: <3 <3 <3 | 19:43 |
| zorael | parasemic: for what it's worth, play store works now after removing android support completely, renaming /opt/alien and installing it all afresh | 19:47 |
| parasemic | allright, cool | 19:47 |
| tehdely | hmm, i wonder where i can get bc/dc | 19:49 |
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| parasemic | anyone got experience with instagram? | 19:50 |
| parasemic | i installed it and tried to make an account, but now it says my account was disables due violation :D | 19:50 |
| parasemic | google tells me its a bug with account creation, tho | 19:50 |
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| lbt | tehdely: have you added mer-tools ? | 19:53 |
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| AntiHawk | good evening, I've just noticed that my Jolla offers me to update to 1.0.2.5 version, only thing is that I'm already running that version, any ideas? | 19:54 |
| tehdely | yes | 19:54 |
| tehdely | there's still some things i can't find | 19:54 |
| lbt | tehdely: also 'chum' | 19:54 |
| tehdely | is that anotehr repo | 19:54 |
| lbt | tehdely: yep :) | 19:54 |
| tehdely | where cna i read about this repo architecture | 19:55 |
| lbt | https://together.jolla.com/question/5762/add-repository-to-sailfish-where-users-can-contribute-directly/ | 19:55 |
| tehdely | are these just community repos or are they somehow supported by jolla | 19:55 |
| tehdely | oh there you go with a link answering my question before i type it | 19:55 |
| lbt | are they supported by jolla? well - they're not something jolla care will help with | 19:55 |
| tehdely | i still want the rest of the bits of a gnu system. i've got less, but i need a command line calculator for my shell scripts | 19:56 |
| tehdely | so i may have to build bc/dc from source | 19:56 |
| tehdely | so i guess it's time to figure out the build environment | 19:56 |
| lbt | but jolla support the community stuff financially | 19:56 |
| tehdely | what are most people developing on? | 19:56 |
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| lbt | the stuff you describe is more Mer level than sailfish | 19:56 |
| lbt | so Mer platform SDK is a linux chroot environment | 19:56 |
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| lbt | but if you have the SDK then the Build Engine is very similar | 19:57 |
| tehdely | is sailfish a fork of mer? what is the relationship between the two | 19:57 |
| tehdely | if i wanted to target sailfish, would i need a sailfish-specific sdk | 19:57 |
| tehdely | or would mer platform SDK do | 19:57 |
| lbt | sailfish is built on Mer | 19:57 |
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| lbt | and for this stuff the platform SDK would do | 19:58 |
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| micko_ | is google account disconnecting a known bug? | 20:56 |
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| Quu | yes | 21:01 |
| Quu | iirc some sort of fix is coming in next patch | 21:01 |
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| Bysmyyr | good toknow | 21:15 |
| special | micko_: are you using the latest update? | 21:15 |
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| bennypr0fane | hey, has anyone tried syncing Sailfish calendar with Exchange/Outlook.com? | 21:32 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't get it to sync. If I enter an event on Jolla default calendar, it doesn't show up in my Outlook.com calendar online. I set syncing to always on | 21:35 |
| Tofe | bennypr0fane: yes, it worked out of the box for me | 21:35 |
| Tofe | But I don't create data from Jolla's side, I just use it to view my calendar from work | 21:36 |
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| bennypr0fane | Tofe, i.e. you only ever make new entries on yr work pc? | 21:40 |
| pdanek1 | How do I delete list of last calls :O | 21:41 |
| bennypr0fane | hmmm maybe outlook.com syncing it's read-only | 21:41 |
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| Jonni | afaik its currently one way sync, from server to device. | 21:44 |
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| bennypr0fane | Jonni, man, that sucks | 21:45 |
| Jonni | afaik 2-way sync is coming as sw update at some point. | 21:45 |
| bennypr0fane | Jonni you mean that is the Sailfish sync-clinet's fault? | 21:46 |
| tehdely_ | hmm | 21:46 |
| tehdely_ | i bought some fancy app for my mac which supports MTP syncing | 21:46 |
| tehdely_ | but it doesn't seem to be working with the jolla | 21:46 |
| tehdely_ | :( | 21:46 |
| Jonni | bennypr0fane: afaik, 2 way sync required some more maturizing testing before beeing release, as end users would not be happy if devices empty calender would remove all cal entries on server side :) | 21:47 |
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| AL13N | btw: any dev can tell me if https://together.jolla.com/question/6941/harbour-app-rpms-to-be-signed-by-a-dedicated-key/ is on the roadmap? | 21:47 |
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| AL13N | would be good for security | 21:47 |
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| Jonni | well signing doesnt do any good for security untill something uses that information somehow | 21:48 |
| AL13N | if i was an owner of a network, i could just let DNS intercept it, redo the SSL certificate and put different packages and hack all the devices coming into my network | 21:48 |
| AL13N | Jonni: well, as i said, signing them, and the installer should then also check the signatures and warn | 21:49 |
| AL13N | that's good enough for me | 21:49 |
| AL13N | signing them is cheap to do, changing the installer can always be done at a later point | 21:49 |
| Jonni | and you can as developer insert any CA to be trusted store CA, and installer would be fooled. | 21:49 |
| AL13N | probably, but that's another matter | 21:50 |
| Jonni | but yes signatures would bring some benefit if pkcon would handle them somehow differently | 21:50 |
| AL13N | pkcon itself doesn't handle it? | 21:50 |
| AL13N | really? | 21:50 |
| bennypr0fane | AL13N, afaik #sailfishos is the dev channel | 21:51 |
| AL13N | i figured this was a UI change only (adding some hooks or something) | 21:51 |
| tehdely_ | so what do y'all think is up with the whole bootloader locking thing? | 21:51 |
| tehdely_ | even nokia didn't do that on the n9 | 21:51 |
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| AL13N | tehdely_: there's a comment on the release notes page that is clarifying | 21:51 |
| Quu | "security" | 21:51 |
| suy | tehdely_: fastboot screen? | 21:51 |
| Jonni | tehdely_: nokias bootloader was always readonly you couldnt overwrite it, our bootloader can be overwritten by root. | 21:52 |
| tehdely_ | yeah but nokia's bootloader let you boot custom kernels | 21:52 |
| AL13N | tehdely_: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-01012014/ look at the last section "tinkerability" | 21:52 |
| tehdely_ | it would flip the device into open mode | 21:52 |
| tehdely_ | and throw the BSW | 21:52 |
| tehdely_ | but at least it let you do it... | 21:52 |
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| AL13N | tehdely_: before continuing, plz read that first | 21:52 |
| Jonni | tehdely_: well yes and after coming sw update you can again boot your custom kernels. | 21:52 |
| bennypr0fane | I really hope what comes next in terms of syncing is CalDAV and CardDAV | 21:52 |
| AL13N | Jonni: already! nice | 21:53 |
| tehdely_ | today i also learned that exchange sync was one-way. i have to remember that owning this device means getting to be a hacker :) | 21:53 |
| tehdely_ | i have replaced my N9 with it but my N9 was more functional in a few regards. i am in it for the long haul though | 21:53 |
| Jonni | AL13N: well even current one allows you boot custom kernel if you put it in rescue partition :) | 21:53 |
| tehdely_ | jolla doesn't even give me 3G svc where I live but i am learning to live with it | 21:53 |
| AL13N | tehdely_: not necessarily, it'll just take some time for everything to be done | 21:53 |
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| AL13N | Jonni: i read about that | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | AL13N: i wasn't complaining abt. the bootloader btw, just asking for clarification (which i got). so thx :) | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | i already did all my complaining the other night | 21:54 |
| AL13N | heh | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | and it was about shipping a phone with euro-only UMTS | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | but not announcing the supported radio bands until the device was already shipping | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | which i still think is a bit cheeky | 21:54 |
| AL13N | well, it's only shipping in EUR countries anyway | 21:54 |
| tehdely_ | true, but most phones will support at least one NAM band, even if they're sold in europe | 21:55 |
| AL13N | though supported radio bands, i'm not certain, but i think a firmware update might impact that | 21:55 |
| tehdely_ | if you wanted to go all out you'd need to support 850/900/1700/1900/2100 | 21:55 |
| tehdely_ | which nokia did on all their s^3 devices + the n9 | 21:55 |
| AL13N | tehdely_: iinm there was a mention it was quad-band | 21:55 |
| tehdely_ | it is quad-band for GSM | 21:55 |
| tehdely_ | so i'm fine there | 21:55 |
| tehdely_ | i may be the last person on EDGE in San Francisco | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | network performance is great ;) | 21:56 |
| AL13N | heh | 21:56 |
| AL13N | btw: how did you manage to get one in US? | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | friend in Tampere :) | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | he got in on the preorder, so I am getting the pipo as well... but he sent that by regular post | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | so i don't have it | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | phone was sent DHL | 21:56 |
| tehdely_ | i traded him an iPad for his troubles | 21:57 |
| AL13N | wow, you did a good deal | 21:59 |
| AL13N | or... you're a bad friend | 21:59 |
| AL13N | :-) | 21:59 |
| tehdely_ | actually it was just about dollar-for-dollar even | 21:59 |
| tehdely_ | value of jolla + pipo is 450EUR | 22:00 |
| AL13N | sure, but an iPad is not something i want | 22:00 |
| tehdely_ | value of iPad mini retina w/lte + smart cover is... $620, which works out to... 450EUR :) | 22:00 |
| AL13N | nor would recommend anyone | 22:00 |
| tehdely_ | i bought the first iPad when it came out | 22:00 |
| tehdely_ | and recently traded it in for a $200 gift card at target | 22:00 |
| tehdely_ | i have no interest in getting another one | 22:00 |
| AL13N | well, i would consider personal worth more important than financial worth | 22:01 |
| tehdely_ | if i ever do buy another tablet it'll be a surface pro | 22:01 |
| tehdely_ | iPad was his idea. i think he said he wanted a fancy alarm clock for his bed | 22:01 |
| AL13N | isn't that the windows thing? | 22:01 |
| tehdely_ | i was going to send bitcoin lol | 22:01 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:01 |
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| tehdely_ | yeah, surface pro is windows. | 22:01 |
| AL13N | tehdely_: before the recent crash? lol | 22:01 |
| tehdely_ | i haven't had a windows anything in many years | 22:01 |
| tehdely_ | but i like the idea of a tablet with decent battery life that runs a full desktop OS | 22:02 |
| tehdely_ | and will allow me to run basically whatever i want | 22:02 |
| tehdely_ | which actually makes a windows tablet superior to an android one | 22:02 |
| AL13N | i've yesterday seen someone handle a windows tablet thing and trying to make a movie | 22:02 |
| tehdely_ | since there is a version of everything for Windows | 22:02 |
| AL13N | but they didn't find that movie later to play it | 22:02 |
| AL13N | i thought the tablets were UEFI locked? | 22:02 |
| AL13N | how could you run something else on it? | 22:03 |
| tehdely_ | no, i would be running Windows | 22:03 |
| tehdely_ | but they make everything _for_ Windows, is my point | 22:03 |
| tehdely_ | it's really the only multi-"ecosystem" tablet | 22:03 |
| AL13N | oh, like that | 22:03 |
| tehdely_ | i can consume content from apple, google, netflix, and.... usenet :P | 22:03 |
| tehdely_ | i can run torrents. i can run cygwin. i can run linux in a vm | 22:04 |
| tehdely_ | etc. etc. | 22:04 |
| AL13N | i have a different opinion on that, but no matter | 22:04 |
| tehdely_ | well i haven't actually bought one | 22:04 |
| tehdely_ | i just think if i ever grabbed another tablet, it'd be that | 22:04 |
| tehdely_ | tablets are just not that useful for me though | 22:04 |
| AL13N | to each his own | 22:04 |
| AL13N | i can agree there | 22:04 |
| AL13N | anyway, gtg | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | the first iPad was nice because at the time my mac laptop was dying and i did not have much money | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | cool | 22:05 |
| AL13N | dead tired after all the parties | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | heh | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | i went to one party last night | 22:05 |
| AL13N | kids 'll be awake early | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | it was my downstairs neighbor's | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | and, shockingly, there was a guy there | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | who knew what a jolla was | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | i was obviously stoked to show it off | 22:05 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:05 |
| tehdely_ | it's a small universe | 22:06 |
| tehdely_ | he used to work on symbian firmwares. what are the odds | 22:06 |
| pdanek1 | http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8944/s9zo.jpg | 22:06 |
| tehdely_ | pdanek1: first teardown? | 22:06 |
| pdanek1 | It's from 48GX on talk.maemo.org | 22:07 |
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| AL13N | pdanek1: is that a cooling plate beneath the microsim? | 22:10 |
| AL13N | where's the SoC? | 22:10 |
| pdanek1 | Don't know, but I don't think so. | 22:11 |
| pdanek1 | Not photo from me. | 22:11 |
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| tehdely_ | has anyone done a thorough teardown and established what radios are in the device, etc. | 22:12 |
| AL13N | above the microsd, there's a text: "CARD_.... TRULY" | 22:12 |
| AL13N | like we wouldn't believe it | 22:12 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:12 |
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| tango_ | wow so card such truly doge | 22:15 |
| Venemo | YTimur | 22:15 |
| Venemo | YesI'mAwesome!!! | 22:15 |
| Venemo | killall eog | 22:15 |
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| Quu | wat | 22:17 |
| tehdely_ | quick, someone hack him | 22:18 |
| tango_ | hunter2 | 22:18 |
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| zorael | are there any hidden UI tweaks hidden in some .conf files someplace? I really want to disable auto-capitalization, and the spellchecking is just in the way | 23:13 |
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| FireFly | I'd like to disable auto-capitalisation too, hm | 23:16 |
| FireFly | No Together entry for that yet | 23:16 |
| suy | You mean in all text input? | 23:19 |
| Elleo | zorael: you could modify /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/KeyboardBase.qml's applyAutocaps() function to always set autocaps to false I guess | 23:19 |
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| Elleo | standard disclaimers about breaking stuff being in no way my fault apply | 23:20 |
| suy | Normally the author can set up hints where that makes sense: Qt.ImhNoAutoUppercase | Qt.ImhNoPredictiveText for example | 23:20 |
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| Elleo | and I haven't tried it myself, as I don't mind the autocaps stuff | 23:20 |
| suy | where "author" means the author of the app in question | 23:20 |
| FireFly | Yeah, in all text input where the standard keyboard is used | 23:23 |
| FireFly | Maemo 5 had a checkbox for that, I'm pretty sure | 23:24 |
| zorael | Elleo: seems to have worked :3 I changed the big if-statement in applyAutocaps() to always fail | 23:30 |
| pdanek1 | Is there any GUI frontend for OpenRepos for Sailfish? | 23:30 |
| zorael | if (false && /* ... */) | 23:30 |
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| Venemo | btw | 23:35 |
| Venemo | email app doesn't sync, even though it's set to automatically sync every 30 minutes | 23:35 |
| Venemo | it hasn't synced for 7 hours now | 23:35 |
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| special | Venemo: sounds like something to put on together.jolla.com | 23:51 |
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| tehdely | i learned today that sync is only one-way with exchange. i'm assuming that'll be fixed in a soon-to-come sw release? | 23:52 |
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| special | also sounds like something for together.jolla.com | 23:53 |
| Venemo | together is already full of my email bugs | 23:53 |
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| spider-mario | Venemo : does you “Transfers” view contain plenty of failed e-mail syncs? | 23:54 |
| spider-mario | mine does | 23:54 |
| Venemo | spider-mario: there are some, but those are a week old | 23:54 |
| Venemo | spider-mario: but when I ask the app to update manually, it always works | 23:55 |
| spider-mario | I have so many of them right now that I need at least 9 seconds to scroll through all of them | 23:55 |
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| spider-mario | I’ve let them accumulate for ~24h | 23:56 |
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| eyea | jolla jolla joh | 23:59 |
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