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| Andy80 | I've just found a bug that probably nobody will be able to fix... | 00:07 |
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| bef0rd | then it's a feature | 00:08 |
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| pdanek | I thought that white other half doesn't have NFC, does it? | 00:08 |
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| eyea | it does | 00:08 |
| Andy80 | once you have installed Google Play Store (and here we are already out of Jolla scope) once you have added your Google account and you see the apps that you have installed on the other Android devices, if there are any apps that you have purchased, instead of being FREE (like on the other Android devices), they display the cost and you must re-purchase them :/ | 00:08 |
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| Milo- | silly email client. still refuses to acknowledge authenticationless smtp servers | 00:19 |
| Milo- | can't create an account where smtp credentials are empty | 00:20 |
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| TemeV | which file is executed when terminal is started in jolla? | 01:49 |
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| TemeV | .bash_rc does not exist and .bash_profile does not seem to have effect | 01:50 |
| TemeV | oh, there is bashrc, I remembered the name wrong | 01:51 |
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| valdur55 | /etc/profile.d/developer .... | 01:57 |
| valdur55 | all items in /etc/profile.d :) | 01:58 |
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| pdanek | Why people say that Jolla charger isn't so good? | 02:09 |
| pdanek | What's wrong with it? | 02:10 |
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| pdanek | Small, detachable USB cable, what can be better? | 02:10 |
| ln- | power. | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Wierd plug. | 02:11 |
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| TemeV | valdur55: thanks. bahrc didn't work either... :) | 02:16 |
| ottulo | what I dislike about the charger is the usb position... would make more sense to be on top imo | 02:17 |
| ottulo | or on the narrow side | 02:17 |
| valdur55 | TemeV: np.. it was usual linux know-how | 02:19 |
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| TemeV | :) | 02:23 |
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| artemma | pdanek: charger is fine. [Small] problem is that cable sticks from the side - not so easy to fit to all power extenders with multiple sockets. Actually not super-convenient to a normal socket too | 02:31 |
| artemma | But that's secondary. Also you can use any other USB charger. Preferably able to output same 1 amper certainly | 02:32 |
| pdanek | Right. | 02:33 |
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| * TSCHAKMac is somewhat bummed that Jolla doesn't even have announcements for any TOH covers | 06:00 | |
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| tango_ | Milo-: reported it to tjc? | 06:38 |
| * covox made the mistake of reading the TMO firmware flashing thread | 06:41 | |
| covox | does anyone else here feel ashamed | 06:43 |
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| tango_ | covox: link? | 06:50 |
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| covox | tango_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91885&page=9 | 07:18 |
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| * Stskeeps offers covox a shoulder to cry out on | 07:20 | |
| covox | Stskeeps: dude I should be the one apologising to you | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | meh, the bootloader thing sucks, but will soon be fixed, just a bit of clash with holidays | 07:22 |
| covox | the amount of whining and foaming-at-the-mouth conspiracy theorising is utterly uncalled for | 07:25 |
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| tango_ | wow | 07:33 |
| tango_ | very interesting read | 07:33 |
| tango_ | incredible amounts of paranoia, too | 07:33 |
| tango_ | I fell sorry for the Jolla employees that are getting the heat because of this | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | meh, we're used to it. long story short: sailfish and jolla was built on hacking devices, it's with a sad heart we even temporarily reduce tinker-ability. | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | even if it's not very effective, given you can still toy around in developer mode | 07:34 |
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| tango_ | We grow them in vats from stemcells in a remote farm in Taiwan. Pictures are flashed into their front cameras that load the conciousness onto them. | 07:37 |
| tango_ | rotfl | 07:37 |
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| tango_ | very ghost-in-the-shell-u | 07:41 |
| tango_ | -y | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | i should really rewatch those.. | 07:41 |
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| Trizt | Stskeeps: is there a way to know from where some notifications comes from? I have loads of Chinese spam in my notification area, symbolized with a comic book bubble? | 07:44 |
| tango_ | Trizt: comic book bubble is probably the messenger | 07:45 |
| tango_ | so google or some other contact probably? | 07:45 |
| Trizt | I only see those in the phone | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: i'm assuming one of the android apps | 07:45 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: seems people also think updates brew in a few days, accusing us based on that for pushing the update in xmas | 07:45 |
| Jope | hah, what an attitude at tmo | 07:46 |
| tigeli | <3 | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: maybe we should do a youtube video of our production process, including the 1000 testers | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | and the monkeys at typewriters | 07:46 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: will there be restriction configuration to the alien dalivik? | 07:46 |
| tango_ | is there a way to interface with the alien dalvik from the CLI? like, using getprop/setprop from there (I mean the linux cli) | 07:47 |
| tigeli | Trizt: please elaborate | 07:47 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: well we have skynet :D | 07:47 |
| Trizt | tigeli: you don't want an app ty be able to access gps, then you configure it to not have that access | 07:48 |
| tigeli | phaeron: I think that the host-system where the skynet is running is not very stable :D | 07:48 |
| tigeli | Trizt: I think it should be possible already but there's no ui for it ;) | 07:49 |
| phaeron | tigeli: please don't mention the n word, lest we upset the elder gods :D | 07:50 |
| tigeli | :D | 07:51 |
| ccha4 | AL13N_lizzy: I restarted aliendalvik and still no audio on some games | 07:51 |
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| ccha4 | after reboot sound work again | 08:00 |
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| ccha4 | there are two 1.0.2.5 updates ? | 08:11 |
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| dracula1 | folks, any geocaching app working with jolla? | 08:13 |
| Jope | probably some android geo apps do | 08:18 |
| Jope | maybe even most | 08:18 |
| Jope | at least ingress if fine .. | 08:18 |
| Jope | which is not strictly geo caching, but uses sensors | 08:19 |
| dracula1 | hmm.... thx, i'll try it | 08:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: you should say so on the device | 08:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: did you do systemd restart aliendalvik.service ? or stop and later start? | 08:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: no 2 updates afaik | 08:23 |
| Jope | dracula1 try what? ingress? :-) | 08:25 |
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| dracula1 | yup, though i do not see it in yandrex store | 08:34 |
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| tango_ | what a surprise, a google product not available on a non-google store | 08:35 |
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| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/5533/improve-downloads-ui/ | 09:01 |
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| Yaniel | just noticed when I started downloading a slightly larger file | 09:02 |
| Pnuu | hmm, that reminds me: the update-download should also show progress (percentages and what packages are being downloaded) | 09:04 |
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| zbenjamin | hey guys, whats the new update doing? | 09:25 |
| Waitee | turns your phone into a robot killing machine | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-28122013/ | 09:25 |
| Waitee | 1.0.2.5 (skynet) | 09:26 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: thx | 09:28 |
| zbenjamin | Waitee: my phone will kill robots? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | note the tinkerability regression and user privacy sections | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | and avoid throwing tomatoes, i already have enough to make ketchup | 09:28 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: "for 1 kg ketchup, we use 2 kg of tomatoes" | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | don't help them :( | 09:29 |
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| Pnuu | Stskeeps: I meant that you already have 2 kilos :-) | 09:31 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: ew seems there is a lot of heat ;) | 09:35 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: what about the power problem? Do i still need to stop tohd.service? | 09:36 |
| Waitee | zbenjamin: exactly | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: yes, that comes later | 09:36 |
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| Waitee | about the robot killing feature | 09:36 |
| zbenjamin | Waitee: finally! I waited for it ;) | 09:37 |
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| Waitee | yeah m too | 09:37 |
| Waitee | too much little annoying robots here in turku | 09:37 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: it would be nice if there was a way to link contacts to twitter/facebook/google manually. Lots of people i know have different names on those networks which results in 4 entries in my contacs list | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: there is, AFAIK | 09:38 |
| Jope | zbenjamin: open contact card, pulley menu -> link | 09:39 |
| zbenjamin | hu? that would be awesome | 09:39 |
| zbenjamin | Jope: thx! | 09:39 |
| Jope | np | 09:39 |
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| zbenjamin | works! perfect! | 09:40 |
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| * tango_ closed his first duplicate question on tjc | 09:43 | |
| tango_ | btw is there a reason why jolla opted for this stackoverflow-like thing instead of a more classical bugzilla? | 09:46 |
| zbenjamin | one way google calendar sync , yes ! even if its just google -> jolla yet thats great | 09:50 |
| Jope | tango, we don't have the manpower to curate a separate bugzilla | 09:50 |
| tango_ | gotcha | 09:51 |
| * tango_ wouldn't mind working for jolla | 09:51 | |
| tango_ | from home 8-D | 09:51 |
| Waitee | lol | 09:51 |
| Waitee | :D | 09:51 |
| tango_ | srsly, finland is too cold for my tastes | 09:51 |
| tango_ | although it's a way more civilized country than where I'm from | 09:52 |
| Pnuu | tango_: hell, it's hot in here | 09:52 |
| Pnuu | above freezing :-( | 09:52 |
| tango_ | woohoo | 09:52 |
| tango_ | c'mon, I was in norway last summer in july, and 11C maximum? is that a joke? | 09:52 |
| tango_ | those are winter temps here | 09:52 |
| tango_ | (beautiful country though) | 09:53 |
| covox | it's 33 deg right now | 09:53 |
| tango_ | (is finland that nice too?) | 09:53 |
| tango_ | covox: 33 what, farenheit? | 09:53 |
| covox | celsius | 09:54 |
| tango_ | australia? | 09:54 |
| covox | in australia :) | 09:54 |
| tango_ | 8-P | 09:54 |
| covox | where else | 09:54 |
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| tango_ | what are you doing up at this hour | 09:54 |
| tango_ | oh wait, it's only 10pm there | 09:54 |
| tango_ | wait, 33C in the evening? | 09:55 |
| Waitee | oh god i hate when its too hot | 09:55 |
| Waitee | finland is just perfect | 09:55 |
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| tango_ | one thing for sure, you don't need a fridge | 09:56 |
| Pnuu | I'd prefer -33 °C :-P | 09:56 |
| tango_ | just store stuff outside | 09:56 |
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| Pnuu | tango_: but wolverines, foxes and bears eat the stuff :-/ | 09:57 |
| Waitee | of course i need a fridge :D | 09:57 |
| Waitee | it's not nice to eat frozen stuff | 09:57 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: in the cities? | 09:57 |
| tango_ | Waitee: oh you need a fridge to keep things WARM | 09:57 |
| tango_ | of course, makes perfect sense | 09:58 |
| covox | tango_: 6pm :) | 09:58 |
| tango_ | 8-D | 09:58 |
| tango_ | (there's a huge lag with australia too) | 09:58 |
| Pnuu | tango_: this is from the middle of helsinki: http://www.puuppa.org/~pnuu/gallery/?dir=birds&i=2&srch=Huuhkaja | 09:58 |
| covox | summer is lame like that, it helps if you can convince a lot of people to go to the beach | 09:58 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: beautiful, what is it? | 09:59 |
| Pnuu | tango_: eurasian eagle-owl | 09:59 |
| tango_ | covox: yeah, summer is like that here too. easily gets to the 40s during the day | 09:59 |
| Pnuu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Eagle-Owl | 10:00 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: and it steals your beer if you keep it on the balcony, I assume | 10:00 |
| Pnuu | yeah | 10:00 |
| tango_ | (obviously here != finland) | 10:00 |
| Pnuu | this is also from helsinki: http://www.puuppa.org/~pnuu/gallery/?dir=wildlife_etc&i=0&srch=20111021 | 10:00 |
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| tango_ | that's a fox, I know about that 8-) | 10:01 |
| tango_ | btw, finnish for me is very funny | 10:01 |
| tango_ | puppa! in italian is a way to say "suck it", eh | 10:01 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 10:02 |
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| Pnuu | tango_: how about "look at the sea" in finnish, "katso merta" ;-) | 10:03 |
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| tango_ | rotfl, yeah, I had forgotten about that | 10:03 |
| tango_ | so you have italian friends? | 10:03 |
| Pnuu | colleagues, one of whom is quite enthusiastic with these homonyms (words with double meanings) | 10:05 |
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| Trizt | stupid question, how do you login at toghether.jolla.com? don't seem to support password | 10:14 |
| tango_ | Trizt: with your jolla account | 10:14 |
| tango_ | click on the jolla logo top left | 10:14 |
| Trizt | really confusing login method, click on jolla logo twice... | 10:16 |
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| tango_ | so, is there a repository on gitorious or github or whatever for e.g. the keyboard layouts? something we could contribute to by sending patches and pull requests? | 10:27 |
| * Trizt haven't figured out how to use the chinese keyboard, seems just support typing english | 10:28 | |
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| tango_ | Trizt: I think it does pidyin-to-kan translation | 10:47 |
| Trizt | but it's just farmers who use pidyin | 10:47 |
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| Milo- | tango_ not yet | 11:07 |
| tango_ | Milo-: there's a few things that need fixing | 11:08 |
| Milo- | yep | 11:08 |
| tango_ | not much, actually, the design is pretty good, mind you | 11:08 |
| Milo- | lot's of little things everywhere | 11:08 |
| Milo- | but I kind of would like to be able to send email with my email client :) | 11:09 |
| tango_ | so share the code and we can help you guys 8-D | 11:09 |
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| tango_ | (or them guys, I never know who's jolla and who isn't) | 11:09 |
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| Milo- | https://github.com/nemomobile more than this? :> | 11:10 |
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| tango_ | lemme see if the kb is there | 11:10 |
| Milo- | jolla-workers should be halfopped! | 11:10 |
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| Quu | Milo-: so people could be ever more arse to them? :p | 11:10 |
| Milo- | Quu exactly | 11:11 |
| tango_ | lol | 11:11 |
| tango_ | well everybody knows Stskeeps is jolla, so we can just leash it out on him | 11:11 |
| tango_ | (poor guy) | 11:11 |
| Milo- | and Pnuu | 11:11 |
| tango_ | that's even funnier, because of the nick | 11:11 |
| * tango_ finds out it's his actual name and he's being insulting ;-) | 11:12 | |
| Pnuu | wut? | 11:12 |
| Milo- | "Mikko Pnuu" | 11:13 |
| Quu | . | 11:13 |
| Milo- | close enough | 11:13 |
| Pnuu | still lost :-D | 11:13 |
| Quu | people cant /whois.. | 11:13 |
| Milo- | we just did | 11:13 |
| tango_ | [timed] Move voland to session bus to enable running as non-rot user <- non-rot, eh | 11:13 |
| tango_ | Quu: actually Pnuu has a more credible real name in his whois, you ae just Quu | 11:14 |
| tango_ | lipstick, mascara | 11:14 |
| Quu | i have no name | 11:14 |
| Quu | beep boop | 11:14 |
| Pnuu | rotproof gauntlets of dexterity | 11:14 |
| * tango_ laughs at the name of the components | 11:14 | |
| Milo- | Quu is a James Bond villan, that makes guns gadgets for james bond. | 11:14 |
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| Milo- | guns & gadgets* | 11:15 |
| tango_ | wait, he's a villain but makes stuff for JB? | 11:15 |
| Quu | yes | 11:15 |
| Quu | because fuck logic | 11:15 |
| Milo- | in an upcoming james bond movie, Quu will take over the world, and he has inserted a kill switch to all of the gadgets james bond is using, so they are rendered obsolete. | 11:17 |
| Milo- | it's a brilliant movie. | 11:17 |
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| krnlyng | hi, my n9 randomly crashes with sailfish on it, it's not huge deal, it doesnt happen too often, it also restarts the homescreen immediately (apps are all closed), but the keyboard only works again if i reboot the device | 11:26 |
| krnlyng | is there an easy way to start the keyboard again? | 11:26 |
| krnlyng | (via terminal) | 11:26 |
| tango_ | krnlyng: systemd-user restart maliit-server.serivce probably | 11:27 |
| krnlyng | hm | 11:28 |
| krnlyng | tango_: systemctl? instead of systemd-user? | 11:29 |
| tango_ | krnlyng: sorry, systemctl-user | 11:29 |
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| krnlyng | tango_: thanks, worked :) | 11:30 |
| krnlyng | hm but it immediatley crashed again :( | 11:31 |
| krnlyng | gotta be fast with typing^^ | 11:32 |
| krnlyng | hmm | 11:32 |
| tango_ | krnlyng: you should enable dev mode and ssh into the thing | 11:32 |
| krnlyng | tango_: i have ssh setup already | 11:33 |
| krnlyng | and the fingerterm keyboard works too | 11:34 |
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| krnlyng | i was saving a contacts number and it crashed again (thats why i said, gotta be fast with typing^^) | 11:34 |
| tango_ | oh | 11:34 |
| tango_ | make sense 8-) | 11:34 |
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| ggabriel | hi there | 11:57 |
| tbr | mooo | 11:57 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | yo | 12:15 |
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| ggabriel | wtf | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | just answered a question and the answer wasn't posted | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | stupid askbot | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-f5? | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | tried that | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | but the second time did the magic | 12:21 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: haha, it was, but i was there first :-) | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: our answered differ | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | my answer is better... na na na na na! | 12:21 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: :-) | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | i don't think you answered the question :) | 12:22 |
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| ggabriel | hehe, stezz is a player | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | when we ask for together features, he says "develop them yourselves" | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | gg | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | fair enough too | 12:26 |
| ccha4 | 09:21:50 AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: did you do systemd restart aliendalvik.service ? or stop and later start? <-- systemctl .... yes I did that. hopefull android sound is back after I reboot it. | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | I think this question needs more love: https://together.jolla.com/question/5367/collaborative-platform-to-translate-apps-os-in-other-languages/ | 12:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: i meant, did you restart, or start/wait/stop | 12:27 |
| ccha4 | I update to 1.0.2.5 yesterday,... it display as 1.0.2.5,... but today jolla shop ask update to 1.0.2.5 again,... this time update was fast | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK | some of the translators on Transifex are crazy, I'm pretty sure we would get a lot of translations very quickly once Sailfish strings are posted there | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | M4rtinK: you got my love | 12:28 |
| ccha4 | restart, not stop and start | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK | ggabriel: thanks! :) | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: there is a bug that after reboot the update comes again | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it could be that | 12:28 |
| ccha4 | ah ok | 12:28 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: also i've seen stop and start, in some post somewhere, so maybe restart doesn't work well for aliendalvik.service | 12:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | worth a try | 12:29 |
| ccha4 | where is the report about this bug ? on together jolla ? | 12:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 12:29 |
| ln- | is it a good idea to rely on volunteer-based translations in the first place? | 12:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: also if stop && start works and restart doesn't could you file a bug on together? | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | ln-: if it's reviewed and accepted, why not? | 12:30 |
| ccha4 | everything work fine,... even angry bird which crash... maybe because no sound | 12:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: yes, imho, alot of open source projects do that | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | i've seen professional translations that are rubbish too, so... | 12:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: and... if jolla has dedicated translator, they can still go over the strings if they like | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | (and you can't change those) | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | e.g., Apple's systemd man pages ;-) | 12:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | even the release notes on together had a typo :-) | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | and they are in English!! | 12:31 |
| ln- | ggabriel: if reviewing and accepting takes as much time as translating from scratch, then it's wasted time. | 12:32 |
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| ln- | AL13N_lizzy: also a lot of open source projects suffer from low quality translations (for at least some languages) | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | ln-: not sure i'm getting you... translating will take as much time as it takes the translator | 12:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: only if they plan to hire translators | 12:32 |
| raa70 | if it does, then there's obviously something wrong with the procedure | 12:32 |
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| ggabriel | then the translation follows a workflow. M4rtinK suggests that sailfish copies the ubuntu one | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | i'm not familiar with it | 12:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i wouldn't waste money on translators | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | but the point is: if you don't like it, fix it | 12:33 |
| ottulo | I'd be suspicious of "professional translations" that seem off | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: yeap, i've always been suspicious of Apple ;-) | 12:34 |
| ottulo | after all, what does it mean to be a "professional"? that you have done translations before? | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | point is: everybody makes mistakes, even professionals | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | ottulo: nope, that you charge for it | 12:34 |
| ln- | ggabriel: i know a typical volunteer has the attention span to translate maybe 10..20 messages, then quit. and no motivation to stick to agreed-upon translations for terms, or proper style. | 12:34 |
| ottulo | ggabriel: mistakes are one thing, bad translations are another | 12:34 |
| ottulo | <- translator | 12:34 |
| ottulo | it's sometimes difficult to tell them apart, though | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: damn you, you made a better answer | 12:35 |
| ccha4 | there is a small display bug on the unlock screen,... it's about when you tap on "unlock" word,... in french is a bit to long and background color not edge the 1st and last letter | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | i agree with agreed-upon terms, style | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i don't care about bad translations | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | but that's something that could be agreed upon too? | 12:35 |
| ccha4 | in french 'Déverouiller' | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's something that's fixable in future updates | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: i'd report it in together.j.c | 12:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 12:36 |
| ln- | translations created by volunteers aren't *necessarily* bad quality, but it's hard to guarantee they are at acceptable quality. | 12:36 |
| tango_ | it can still be a decent starting point to be refined later | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | add to that the complexity of working on translation strings of upcoming updates | 12:37 |
| ccha4 | ggabriel: any link about the report ? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | do you stall an update because western danish dialect hasn't been updated? | 12:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not against community translations personally, but there's challenges | 12:38 |
| ln- | also translations are a very visible part of the product, and if it looks like it was translated by a 7-year-old, it'll look bad child labour suspicions arise. | 12:39 |
| tango_ | how easy/hard is it to port qtopia / qtextende stuff to qml? | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: just go to together.jolla.com and search if that's been reported, and report it otherwise | 12:39 |
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| ggabriel | ln-: but it's a lot easier to get a bulk translated and then reviewed by somebody with more knowledge | 12:39 |
| ccha4 | oh I though you did notite too and already reported it | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | i can see the challenges | 12:39 |
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| ccha4 | notice* | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | but it'd be nice to open the product to people who don't speak english or any of the supported languages | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | all your base are belong to us! | 12:40 |
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| ccha4 | and since it unlock screen I can't screenshot it | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: if it's a UI issue, i'm sure describing it is just as good :-) | 12:40 |
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| ccha4 | ggabriel: do you speak french ? | 12:41 |
| ln- | ggabriel: that's fine assuming most (let's say 95%) of the translations are acceptable, but then again if the reviewer needs to go through each message and think it through and confirm the meaning is correct, then it might have been easier for him/her just to start from scratch. | 12:41 |
| tango_ | I do | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: nope | 12:41 |
| tango_ | how do I get the unlock screen? | 12:42 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: maybe warning, that this is community translation, and some texts may not be translated and Jolla takes no responsibility for those translations | 12:42 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: kind off add-on without any warranty | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | ln-: yeah, and the quality will vary from language to language. Again, i don't know what the workflow would be like, but you could potentially ditch a full language | 12:42 |
| ccha4 | when you setting autolock when phone is idle for few minutes | 12:42 |
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| Guest90859 | maybe allow community translations in repositories? | 12:43 |
| tango_ | ccha4: ok. so the problem is that the french text is too long? | 12:43 |
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| ccha4 | about translation, for it seems weird in Wlan setting when you long tap on a wlan,... the remove option is transte by "Oublier le reseau" | 12:43 |
| tango_ | let me switch the phone to french | 12:43 |
| ccha4 | tango_: yes | 12:43 |
| ccha4 | the 1st letter the last letter, not highlight | 12:44 |
| tango_ | why does it reboot when changing languages? | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | tango_: it's done that from day one :) | 12:44 |
| ccha4 | not that is from the beginning | 12:44 |
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| FIQ | most things do that nowdays | 12:44 |
| FIQ | games, OSes, etc | 12:45 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: yeah but this is the first time I change language 8-D | 12:45 |
| FIQ | (that, or you need to reboot yourself) | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | tango_: feature request ;-) | 12:45 |
| tango_ | ccha4: hm I can't see anything odd wit how déverrouiller shows | 12:45 |
| tango_ | it IS a bit long, but doesn't seem to appear unusually | 12:45 |
| ccha4 | when to hold on the word | 12:45 |
| tango_ | oh when I click it | 12:46 |
| tango_ | let me try | 12:46 |
| tango_ | got it | 12:46 |
| ccha4 | the change color | 12:46 |
| tango_ | the text overflows the button | 12:46 |
| ccha4 | yes | 12:46 |
| tango_ | needs a shorter word or a bigger button | 12:46 |
| ccha4 | that's it | 12:46 |
| tango_ | what's a shorter word for lock/unlock? | 12:47 |
| M4rtinK | ggabriel: not really the Ubuntu one (no idea about hat one), more the Fedora one I have some experience with :) | 12:47 |
| ccha4 | not that's good translation | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | M4rtinK: apologies, not sure why i said ubuntu | 12:47 |
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| M4rtinK | seems to work fine for us :) | 12:48 |
| * ggabriel always dealt with things in english, and if anybody asked, they were told to learn english instead :P | 12:48 | |
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| ggabriel | <- not native english speaker | 12:48 |
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| M4rtinK | the Fedora installer (Anaconda) for example has already translations in Welsh, Belarusia, Interlingua and many other kinda exotic languages :) | 12:49 |
| ccha4 | you need more settings if you swtich to english, timezone setting, currency, date format | 12:50 |
| ccha4 | keyboard loyout | 12:50 |
| ccha4 | layout | 12:50 |
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| ccha4 | how you can I export contacts from N900 and import into jolla ? | 12:54 |
| Jope | I don't know why I googled this for you, but try osso-addressbook-backup -e contacts.vcard | 12:55 |
| Jope | I really got to stop this :-) | 12:55 |
| pdanek | is there any way how to reboot Jolla via GUI? | 13:01 |
| pdanek | (not shutdown) | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: not that i know of | 13:01 |
| Morpog_ | if you count terminal as GUI, then yes :D | 13:01 |
| pdanek | so you guys prefer to shutdown / start? | 13:02 |
| pdanek | for reboot operation? | 13:02 |
| flux | where would a regular user need a reboot anyway ;) | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: i use "reboot" from the CLI | 13:02 |
| pdanek | ggabriel: works fine | 13:03 |
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| * ggabriel guesses it shouldn't be hard to create an icon to execute that, but shrugs as it would be too much of a hassle | 13:03 | |
| ccha4 | ok Jope I'll google it,... I expected someone said I did this way, or that way and this way I got duplicated contacts etc | 13:04 |
| M4rtinK | fingerterm :) | 13:06 |
| phaeron | user can invoke dsmetool -b | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | i can't believe nobody asked this yet... https://together.jolla.com/question/5766/xmpp-audiovideo-call/ | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | tell me if it has been asked and i missed it plz | 13:10 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: maybe not everyones missing feature number 1, but definetly a good one | 13:11 |
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| FlameReaper | are jolla devices still marketed only around EU or has it reached SEA yet? | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: yeah, i understand that, but i would have expected that question next to the SIP one | 13:12 |
| FlameReaper | *have they | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | FlameReaper: EU+norway+switzerland as far as i know | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | FlameReaper: you can go to jolla.com and add yourself to the mailing list | 13:12 |
| FlameReaper | ah thanks | 13:12 |
| pdanek | Is there any good & stable XMPP service with audio/video call? Except Google. | 13:14 |
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| ggabriel | pdanek: not sure, i've been using google for a while now. I used jabber.org, but not sure where my credentials are anymore. tbh i'd install my own xmpp server next | 13:15 |
| pdanek | ggabriel: audio/video calls worked for you with jabber.org? | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | they didn't exist, but i wouldn't mind trying again | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | the client is a challenge too to be honest | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | fedora's pidgin used to work just fine for example | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | far better than skype imo | 13:16 |
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| pdanek | we need Pidgin for Jolla | 13:16 |
| pdanek | I used it on N900 | 13:16 |
| pdanek | I use it everywhere | 13:17 |
| PeperJohnny | imho it's always the clients "problem", so jolla would need to write a client on their own | 13:17 |
| tango_ | pidgin? | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | point is: effort in audio/video xmpp is far better than effort in wahtsapp, line, skype, etc etc etc | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: that's the point with my question :) | 13:17 |
| tango_ | doesn't telepathy do that stuff in maego & derivatives? | 13:17 |
| tango_ | lol maego | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | integrated audio/video like the N9 would be awesome | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | tango_: lol indeed | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | you missed the "no pun intended" | 13:18 |
| tango_ | maegzen | 13:18 |
| tango_ | sailmaegzen | 13:18 |
| micko_ | has anyone tried Androids Paper Camera from Play Store? | 13:18 |
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| micko_ | installing it crashes every time | 13:18 |
| pdanek | I'm still resisting to install Android apps :D trying to stick with native | 13:18 |
| pdanek | I hate the idea of having Android app on it | 13:18 |
| pdanek | and/or even registering to Yande | 13:18 |
| pdanek | *x | 13:18 |
| micko_ | pdanek: there's no need to use Yandex | 13:19 |
| pdanek | micko_: does Fdroid require registration? | 13:19 |
| tango_ | nope | 13:19 |
| micko_ | no | 13:19 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: nope | 13:19 |
| pdanek | hmm, why Fdroid isn't installed together with Android compatibility layer then | 13:20 |
| pdanek | but Yandex is | 13:20 |
| pdanek | And do you guys see any stability difference between Fdroid and Yandex apps? | 13:20 |
| PeperJohnny | Fdroid provides only open source apps | 13:20 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | my guess is that yandex paid something to jolla | 13:20 |
| pdanek | yes, but they could bring both | 13:20 |
| pdanek | I see | 13:21 |
| pdanek | so I can just download and install https://f-droid.org/FDroid.apk? | 13:21 |
| pdanek | that's it? | 13:21 |
| pdanek | no more hassle? | 13:21 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: worked here | 13:21 |
| pdanek | and how can I remove Yandex :D | 13:21 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: afaik not possible atm | 13:22 |
| pdanek | probably dependency rpm | 13:22 |
| pdanek | *in rpm | 13:23 |
| pdanek | PeperJohnny: any other good alternative except Google Play, that you use? | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | AFAIK you can (re)move the yandex apk | 13:24 |
| pdanek | PeperJohnny: that doesn't require registration, but has also free apps, not just open source | 13:24 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: well i try to keep my Jolla android free. so the only Store i have is fdroid =) | 13:24 |
| pdanek | They could somehow incorporate Fdroid apps to Jolla Store directly. | 13:25 |
| pdanek | making some deal with Fdroid, but Fdroid would not agree I think | 13:25 |
| PeperJohnny | If they mark android apps as such it would be a neat ideea | 13:25 |
| pdanek | sure, separate category in store | 13:26 |
| pdanek | even notifying user that it's not native app | 13:26 |
| pdanek | but having it in store | 13:26 |
| pettter | has anyone tried porting a chrome app to jolla? Any idea of how complex it is? | 13:27 |
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| pdanek | Firefox apk vs built-in Gecko browser? | 13:29 |
| pdanek | Anyone tried? | 13:29 |
| pdanek | except portrait mode feature | 13:30 |
| pdanek | I mean, landscape :D | 13:30 |
| pdanek | VLC player!!!!!!!!! | 13:31 |
| tango_ | vlc has qt port | 13:32 |
| tango_ | maybe that can be adapted for sailfish | 13:32 |
| AJAX555 | yeah so, how can I remove a word from predictions? | 13:32 |
| Quu | you mean, your password? :p | 13:33 |
| AJAX555 | yes | 13:33 |
| Quu | no idea. | 13:33 |
| Quu | probably on some database/file somewhere | 13:33 |
| tango_ | is there a way to check the battery status from cli? | 13:35 |
| tango_ | (e.g. when logged in via ssh) | 13:35 |
| Iltsu | What did I broke? Still can't update email-client | 13:36 |
| pdanek | I wonder, isn't the Android compatibility app which I installed, only installing Yandex store? | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | Iltsu: probably nothing, that "update" could be a downgrade, just wait for a newer versoin | 13:36 |
| phdeswer | tango_: cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity | 13:36 |
| tango_ | Iltsu: email-client was downgraded because it broke older versions of sailfish | 13:37 |
| tango_ | phdeswer: right | 13:37 |
| pdanek | Like when I don't have it, I would still be able to install apk files? | 13:37 |
| * tango_ was actually expecting acpi -V to work | 13:37 | |
| flux | (nice, ~/bin is automatically in path. and I can even make the battery.sh +x, something n9 so hard fought against) | 13:38 |
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| covox | no ACPI bollocks on ARM :) | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | acpi is your friend | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | and it exists on ARM too | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | or at least it's installed in my raspi :P | 13:38 |
| covox | ggabriel: with friends like ACPI, who needs complete bastards | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | covox: nothing is perfect? ARM is far from it IMHO | 13:41 |
| covox | I guess | 13:42 |
| phdeswer | ACPI is some x86 thing, it's not there on ARM. There is some talk to have some ACPI stuff for ARM at some point maybe : http://suihkulokki.blogspot.fi/2013/07/acpi-on-arm-storm-in-teacup.html | 13:42 |
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| ggabriel | phdeswer: i sit down corrected :) | 13:43 |
| pdanek | Snapdragon 410 :O | 13:44 |
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| tango_ | AJAX555: what do you have in ~/.local/xt9 ? | 13:45 |
| AJAX555 | tango_: let me check.. | 13:46 |
| pdanek | Mahjongg! | 13:47 |
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| tango_ | the solitaire or the actual game? | 13:48 |
| pdanek | game in Fdroid | 13:48 |
| AJAX555 | no such file or directory.. | 13:49 |
| tango_ | AJAX555: as nemo, not as root of course | 13:49 |
| Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: sooorryyyy :-D | 13:49 |
| AJAX555 | yes, as nemo | 13:49 |
| tango_ | you don't have .local/xt9 ? wow | 13:49 |
| AJAX555 | yup | 13:49 |
| tango_ | I'm stymied | 13:49 |
| pdanek | Did anyone try this? What happens when I uninstall Android compatibility in Jolla store, while having multiple apk apps installed already, even from Fdroid? | 13:49 |
| FireFly | pdanek: I tried removing yandex when I had multiple apk's installed (directly from apks via browser/transfer); it removed android support & when reinstalling yandex savedata for the applications were reset | 13:51 |
| FireFly | (or whatever you'd call that kind of stuff.. most of the android stuff I have is games, so for me it was savedata anyway) | 13:51 |
| tango_ | AJAX555: wait, it's ~/.local/share/xt9, duh | 13:53 |
| AJAX555 | tango_: oh, found xt9, but it is in .local/share/xt9 | 13:53 |
| tango_ | lol | 13:53 |
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| tango_ | AJAX555: so what's in there? | 13:53 |
| AJAX555 | cp_pinyin.udb and xt9.dlm | 13:53 |
| tango_ | I suspect the user words to be in xt9.dlm | 13:54 |
| AJAX555 | now I just wonder what program opens those.. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | if you guys are worried about tinkerability issue, i've posted in comments of the second answer: "So, let's get practical on fixing this tinker-ability issue: I propose that in developer mode, there's a toggle that you can choose (after you've typed in your device lock code); which would unlock the bootloader beyond already what developer mode gives you. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | What do you think about that?" | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-28122013/ | 13:56 |
| Pnuu | should be enough for TMO people, too :-) | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: +1'd | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | it could probably be made a little more granular but this solves the issue for now | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | seems like a better option to having to restore to factory settings to boot | 13:58 |
| Pnuu | and save people from getting into too much trouble by not knowing what they're doing :-) | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: how many thanks do you have to give in TMO to become "TMO people"? :-) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: as many as me :( | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | Total Thanks: 1,505 | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | Thanked 9,957 Times in 1,137 Posts | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: ok, then i'm def not TMO people | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | there was a point hidden there tho, not everybody is the same in TMO | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | .. and a followup: is it a problem that in top left corner it would say 'unlocked' at boot? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | which i personally would take as a mark of pride | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | and indicator that somebody may have tinkered with my device | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: "unlike/unloked" | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | that'd be pretty cool. i'm smiling irl | 14:03 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: I think that's a good proposal | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: heh, "Unlocked device - this user is unlike"? ;) | 14:04 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: I think you should post your bootloader proposal as a Together question and update your comment to link to it; that would faciliate discussion better | 14:04 |
| * FireFly would just go with a simple 'Unlocked' | 14:04 | |
| Stskeeps | but fwiw | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: yeap, you need to add marketing to this. but i strongly agree | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | and you can lock it anytime | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's the kicker really | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | so you add some security aspect to it | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | oem unlock is usually not revertible on these devices | 14:05 |
| tango_ | is not? | 14:05 |
| FIQ | huh? | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | not from what i know | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | at least nexus 4 isn't revertible, is it? | 14:05 |
| FIQ | you locked an unlocked bootloader | 14:05 |
| tango_ | invalidates warranty? | 14:05 |
| FIQ | so I don't see the issue | 14:06 |
| FireFly | ggabriel: it's in Jolla's interest that 'unlocking' remains permanent, since in unlocked-mode you can hurt the stability of the device/brick it/... | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can see it from that perspective, it signals to our care people that they need to investigate the problem further | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | just like developer mode means we have to look deeper | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: meh, you can do much harm with dev mode only | 14:07 |
| FireFly | Fair point | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: you mean point the satellite? | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | :) | 14:07 |
| FireFly | I kinda wish there was a midpoint between developer mode and not | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: +1, terminal w/o root | 14:08 |
| * ggabriel adding | 14:08 | |
| FireFly | Where you have a terminal and whatnot, but no root access (and thus can't write to /sys or /dev or whatnot) | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | in practice you have access to quite a lot even as user | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: https://together.jolla.com/question/5832/access-to-terminal-without-developer-mode/ | 14:09 |
| FIQ | Stskeeps: afaik, all you need to "relock" the bootloader if you want to is to reset the phone (and then get v1.0.2.5+), no? | 14:09 |
| FireFly | Noo, you stole my karma! (kidding :p) | 14:09 |
| FIQ | so I don't see how preventing users from locking it helps | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | FIQ: even on 1.0.0.5, oem unlock leaves a permanent "unlocked" fwiw | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | just standard LK behaviour | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | but fastboot boot was still possible | 14:10 |
| FIQ | Stskeeps: permanent as in, irreversible with factory reset? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | right | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | so the jolla comes oem unlocked and that's it | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | which is what i recall you posted in TMO | 14:11 |
| FIQ | Stskeeps: ok | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: well, not exactly | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | ok, n/m, don't really get it then. need to read more about this arch | 14:11 |
| FIQ | ggabriel: not really | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: it comes open enough to boot a custom boot image | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | but that's a bit of backdoor | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | aaahhh | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | gotcha | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | which is what we locked down | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | along with fastboot oem unlock, initially, which is now what we're sorting out | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | so it's properly balanced again | 14:12 |
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| tango_ | I assume the sdk still needs virtualbox? | 14:19 |
| Morpog_ | it always will | 14:21 |
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| tango_ | I can't say I'm enthusiast about having two VM engines on my machine | 14:24 |
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| tango_ | but anyway | 14:24 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: no reboots so far, might be because have been on wlan at home | 14:24 |
| Quu | probably starts tomorrow at work again :p | 14:24 |
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| parasemic | anyone else experiencing UI lag issues after the latest update? | 14:26 |
| Quu | i cant see any | 14:27 |
| parasemic | im not sure if its caused my MitäKuuluu | 14:28 |
| parasemic | by* | 14:28 |
| Quu | i have it installed | 14:28 |
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| Quu | well, not in use that much because everyone i know can be found on irc | 14:29 |
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| Quu | and answers more quickly on irc than with phone :p | 14:29 |
| tango_ | I _probably_ shouldn't have started the sdk download concurently with a dist-upgrade | 14:30 |
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| parasemic | hmm, dunno. ill try resetting the device | 14:32 |
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| parasemic | whats the directory contacts are in? | 14:35 |
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| tango_ | hm which virtualbox package do I have to install? | 15:11 |
| parasemic | guys, where are the contacts located? | 15:15 |
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| pdanek | Sometimes when I double-tap to unlock my Jolla, it doesn't unlock/show screen properly, only back-lighted screen with blue color of my theme. | 15:20 |
| pdanek | so I have to lock again and unlock again. | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.2.5? | 15:20 |
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| pdanek | yes | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | video please next time it happens | 15:20 |
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| pdanek | it happened to me 2 times so far | 15:20 |
| pdanek | how can I video? | 15:20 |
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| tango_ | with an N900 | 15:20 |
| Morpog_ | :D | 15:21 |
| pdanek | broken :D | 15:21 |
| tango_ | )lol) | 15:21 |
| Pnuu | pdanek: I think I've had that too once or twice, but not with the latest version | 15:21 |
| tango_ | hm wrong par | 15:21 |
| tango_ | (lol) | 15:21 |
| tango_ | better | 15:21 |
| pdanek | Pnuu: I believe I had it before update too, once | 15:21 |
| pdanek | Pnuu: but didn't pay attention to it | 15:21 |
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| pdanek | I will try to make a photo of it with my old camera | 15:23 |
| pdanek | if it happens | 15:23 |
| atlaz | So i guess the update e-mail app is not working cause of a reason? | 15:23 |
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| pdanek | atlaz: it was downgraded, that's why | 15:23 |
| atlaz | Yeah i tried lastlogging and got about that | 15:24 |
| pdanek | uninstall it and install again, if you want this update notification to disappear | 15:24 |
| atlaz | Yeah i'll try it if i get really bored | 15:24 |
| pdanek | because now it wants to downgrade, but you can't in fact, you have to uninstall and install | 15:24 |
| atlaz | What was wrong with the newer version? | 15:24 |
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| atlaz | "15:37 < tango_> Iltsu: email-client was downgraded because it broke older versions of sailfish" | 15:24 |
| pdanek | some issues when updating OS | 15:24 |
| pdanek | yes | 15:25 |
| atlaz | Guess lastlogging is indeed good | 15:25 |
| pdanek | but if it works fine for you, keep it | 15:25 |
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| pdanek | if you wait few days, I believe they will bring new version again | 15:25 |
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| ShadowJK | tango_: re battery status clie, /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ holds interesting stuff | 15:35 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: yah | 15:36 |
| tango_ | I had completely forgotten about that | 15:36 |
| ShadowJK | oops scrolled up | 15:36 |
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| ShadowJK | i've noticed "ui lag" in the way of scrolling slowly not quite working, need to scroll quickly to unstick, after which the view can be scrolled slowly | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | scrolling is a known problem, we hope to get it integrated post holidays | 15:41 |
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| ShadowJK | encountered black screen after double-tap unlock. backlight on, black contents. pressed power button repeatedly and it came back | 15:42 |
| tango_ | what, we aren't going to get a new build tomorrow? | 15:42 |
| pdanek | I just realized, there is no video output on Jolla, is it? | 15:45 |
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| Yaniel | no physical one no | 15:54 |
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| tango_ | pity | 16:00 |
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| artemma | Find it difficult to switch between latest apps on jolla sailfishos, because top-left app cover is too far reach for thumb? Go vote to change it https://together.jolla.com/question/5924/show-latest-app-cover-in-bottom-right-not-top-left-for-easier-access/ | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | i would rather wish they stopped rearranging | 16:20 |
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| Pnuu | 18:19 < Pnuu> I'd rather have pinnable covers | 16:20 |
| Pnuu | 8-) | 16:20 |
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| artemma | I just realized that most often I want to switch back to the most recently used app, and it's exactly the only app cover that is hard to reach with my thumb length | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | mru cover is lower lefg for me, all fingerterms are landscape on my jolla :) | 16:22 |
| Pnuu | I hold the phone normally on left hand, so top left is an easy reach | 16:22 |
| Plnt | ShadowJK: +1 for not rearranging :) | 16:22 |
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| Venemo | hey | 16:24 |
| FireFly | ShadowJK: should be a setting IMO | 16:24 |
| artemma | priorty corner could be bottom-left indeed, the poin is to have it at bottom | 16:25 |
| Pnuu | FireFly: certainly | 16:25 |
| FireFly | the arrange-into-most-recently-used thing | 16:25 |
| FireFly | artemma: agreed | 16:25 |
| Venemo | what if I find even the highest ringtone volume too low? | 16:25 |
| Pnuu | artemma: it's easier to reach up than low when holding from the middle | 16:25 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: https://together.jolla.com/question/3011/max-ring-volume-is-too-quiet/ | 16:26 |
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| * artemma is a fan of single hand device use. Too bad Jolla device is *almost* there | 16:26 | |
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| AJAX555 | I think the max volume is just right for me, but I just dont like the idea that it is max | 16:27 |
| parasemic | have you noticed bluetooth audio output goes really really loud | 16:27 |
| Venemo | thx Pnuu | 16:27 |
| parasemic | i think i could break my bluetooth speaker with max volume | 16:27 |
| Venemo | not me | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | parasemic: sounds like a good together.* bug to push | 16:30 |
| Venemo | parasemic: bluetooth output is not too loud for me | 16:32 |
| Venemo | parasemic: in fact it's quieter than the N9 | 16:32 |
| parasemic | venemo: weird, my x-mini is about to explode if i set to the max volume | 16:32 |
| parasemic | have you chosen it as "loudspeaker" in bluetooth settings? | 16:33 |
| Venemo | haven't set anything in settings, just paired the headset | 16:34 |
| parasemic | well, i'm speaking of the "loudspeaker" device | 16:34 |
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| parasemic | hmm, or maybe its just cutespotify | 16:36 |
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| parasemic | no, same with Media -app | 16:40 |
| Elleo | yay, something isn't my fault ;) | 16:40 |
| parasemic | tho Cutespotify output higher volume than Media | 16:41 |
| parasemic | godfuckingdamnit my xmini is louder than my small genelecs if i set to the highest volume... :D | 16:42 |
| parasemic | outputs* | 16:42 |
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| jhe__ | hi all! any idea when caldav and carddav sync will be released? | 16:45 |
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| Pnuu | jhe__: https://together.jolla.com/question/534/support-for-caldav-calendars-eg-google-calendar/ | 16:46 |
| Pnuu | jhe__: I think that's the latest info available | 16:46 |
| Pnuu | hmm, there might be something also in the release notes -thread | 16:47 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-28122013/ | 16:47 |
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| pdanek | Are you guys fans of mailpile.is? Or you think it's just digging money out of regukar people scared of NSA shit? | 16:48 |
| pdanek | Do you think it's going to better than existing open source webmail solutions? | 16:48 |
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| jhe__ | Pnuu: thanks. It seems to be close but not yet there. Afaik google calendar uses caldav for sync so I guess the one way support is already there but not yet available via ui | 16:49 |
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| Jef91 | Is there a recommend salifishos image for flashing to the Nokia N9? | 16:57 |
| pdanek | Is Dirkvl on this IRC too? Maybe under different name? | 16:57 |
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| pdanek | Jef91: http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-ported-to-n9-mini-tutorial/ | 16:59 |
| pdanek | link to some Sailfish OS image in step 9. | 16:59 |
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| pdanek | but nowadays there are much newer images already | 16:59 |
| Jef91 | pdanek, is that image better than the ones here -> http://n9.araya.su/images/mic_images/sailfish-1.0.2.5/vgrade/r5.1/ | 17:00 |
| Jef91 | that is what is linked in the talk.maemo.org thread | 17:00 |
| pdanek | Jef91: use yours, newer! | 17:00 |
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| Jef91 | kk | 17:00 |
| pdanek | however | 17:01 |
| pdanek | it says it's for N950 | 17:01 |
| pdanek | but you can try :P | 17:01 |
| pdanek | should be the same actually | 17:02 |
| pdanek | like N950 is devel version of N9 | 17:02 |
| pdanek | since* | 17:02 |
| Jef91 | pdanek, I'm fairly certain N950 is just the n9 with a hardware keyboard | 17:02 |
| Jope | it is very close to the n9 | 17:03 |
| Jef91 | I wish they'd have sold the N950s | 17:04 |
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| Jef91 | I'd have much prefered to stick to a device with a hardware keyboard | 17:04 |
| Jef91 | sadly the N900 was just getting too old to work on these days | 17:04 |
| Milo- | n900 is still brilliant | 17:05 |
| pdanek | Jef91: I agree, N950 is beauty | 17:05 |
| pdanek | N900 is too old, not brilliant anymore | 17:05 |
| Milo- | 3310 is still brilliant, and it's very old | 17:05 |
| tango_ | does the n950 also have the stylus? | 17:05 |
| pdanek | no | 17:05 |
| pdanek | N900 is still better than Android :P, but Jolla took over. | 17:06 |
| Milo- | speaking of which. I got a stylus from linuxcon, I wonder if it works. | 17:06 |
| pdanek | With hope there will be HW KBD soon | 17:06 |
| pdanek | Is Dirkvl on this IRC too? Maybe under different name? | 17:06 |
| pdanek | He is building keyboard-half proof of concept. | 17:06 |
| tango_ | there IS one problem with TOH | 17:07 |
| pdanek | He started to receive donations recently. | 17:07 |
| Jef91 | Sadly Jolla was a bit out of my price range for a new mobile | 17:07 |
| tango_ | if each other half adds ONE functionaity, you cannot stack them | 17:07 |
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| Jef91 | got a brand new N9 with 64gig of storage for 240$ USD on amazon | 17:07 |
| pdanek | tango_: as long I have one -> keyboard, I'm good :D | 17:07 |
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| Pnuu | tango_: https://together.jolla.com/question/3042/theotherhalfs-is-it-possible-to-stack-otherhalfs/ | 17:08 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: requires very careful design of TOHs | 17:08 |
| Pnuu | certainly | 17:09 |
| Pnuu | mechanics can get a bit fiddly | 17:09 |
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| M4rtinK2 | what about TOHoE ? :) | 17:11 |
| ln- | TOH-as-a-service | 17:11 |
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| Jef91 | mmm sailfish seems much nicer than meego... Does this use apt/dpkg still? | 17:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | if it is good for fiber channel, why not for The Other Half ? :) | 17:12 |
| Plnt | Jef91: it's rpm based | 17:12 |
| Pnuu | plugin-TOH | 17:12 |
| tango_ | Jef91: nope, rpm 8-/ | 17:12 |
| tango_ | ptoh | 17:12 |
| tango_ | ptohe | 17:12 |
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| M4rtinK2 | RPM \o/ | 17:12 |
| pdanek | Jef91: no, pkcon, zypper, rpm | 17:12 |
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| Jef91 | tango_, thats mildly sad | 17:12 |
| Jef91 | Guess I'm going to have to learn how to package RPM stuff then | 17:12 |
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| M4rtinK2 | and much faster & more sane :) | 17:13 |
| pdanek | rpm is good | 17:13 |
| tango_ | pdanek: puh-leeze | 17:13 |
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| tango_ | pdanek: meego switched to rpm over deb because of intel | 17:13 |
| Pnuu | the last time I used a system with rpm, it was a complete dependecy hell | 17:13 |
| tango_ | (intel loves fedora/rh) | 17:13 |
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| Pnuu | but that was ~12 years ago :-P | 17:14 |
| pdanek | I had good experience with rpm so far, lately. | 17:14 |
| Jef91 | most modern package managers are all fine | 17:14 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: still sucks compared to deb | 17:14 |
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| Jef91 | I just know how to build .deb packages | 17:14 |
| Pnuu | tango_: too bad | 17:14 |
| Jef91 | have no idea where to start with .rpms | 17:14 |
| leinir | So... we are yet again discussing how one kind of binary blob with metadata is better than another kind of binary blob with metadata? ;) | 17:14 |
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| tango_ | leinir: it's all in the metadata | 17:14 |
| M4rtinK2 | Jef91: basically, you have only two files | 17:14 |
| Jef91 | Is there a HOWTO somewhere for cross compiling software for Sailfish? | 17:14 |
| tango_ | (also, deb supports xz compression, does rpm?) | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | Jef91: the source tarball | 17:15 |
| Pnuu | Jef91: try the SDK | 17:15 |
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| leinir | tango_: well, yes, don't see why it wouldn't | 17:15 |
| tango_ | no idea, does it? | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | Jef91: and a so called specfile with a recipe how to build the package, including any packaging scripts | 17:15 |
| spider-mario | tango_ : is .deb inherently superior or is it just apt that’s superior to current rpm-based package managers? | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | Jef91: and that's about it | 17:16 |
| tango_ | spider-mario: I suspect dependencies are managed better _also_ because of the way they are specified, but honestly I haven't looked into rpm with the detail I have in deb | 17:16 |
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| tango_ | yet | 17:16 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Jef91: no need to repack the package the over and over, fiddling with a bazillion of obscure files that might or might not make a difference | 17:17 |
| leinir | tango_: it does, and since 5.0 it handles xar as well | 17:17 |
| tango_ | good | 17:17 |
| jupaja | is there some one with SD-card Problems since 1.0.2.5? My I not all the time mounted (Pic Music is not vibile) | 17:18 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: the .pro, .yaml and so on in the jolla sdk build system looks quite obscure to me :-) | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | .pro is Qt stuff | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | and .yaml is used to generate the specfile | 17:19 |
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| spider-mario | what tools generates the specfile from the .yaml, btw? | 17:19 |
| spider-mario | tool* | 17:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | for some reason - not sure why just writing the specfile is good enough | 17:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | some part of the QtCreator build process ? | 17:19 |
| Pnuu | but to be honest, qmake and stuff are also obscure stuff :-P | 17:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | certainly :) | 17:19 |
| Pnuu | I've only written simple Makefiles my self | 17:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I'm actually not using any of that at the moment :) | 17:20 |
| Pnuu | and even those are copy&paste from somewhere.. | 17:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | as I'm suing Python & QML, I just rsync directly to device | 17:20 |
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| M4rtinK2 | and once I have something packagable, I'll probably just build it on OBS, like I did previously for Nemo & Harmatan COBS :) | 17:21 |
| artemma | spider-mario: spectacle is a tool for generating .spec from .yaml | 17:21 |
| spider-mario | oh, thanks | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | what's obs? I've seen it mentioned a few times | 17:22 |
| * tango_ tries out the sailfishos sdk | 17:22 | |
| leinir | open build service | 17:22 |
| artemma | in most of Sailfish-specific situations you can ignore it though and just modify .yaml | 17:22 |
| Pnuu | leinir: ok | 17:22 |
| leinir | it's a way of building packages remotely for various distributions, and for creating entire distributions... originally built for opensuse, but without any requirements to use that at all, so it changed name from opensuse build service to just open build service :) | 17:23 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 17:23 |
| artemma | Jef91: if you are into starting with rpms/rpm specifically for Sailfish, have a look at HelloWorld Pro. It's [well] commented and has an example with dependent subpackages even (for tests package) | 17:24 |
| tango_ | Waiting for VM "MerSDK" to power on... | 17:24 |
| tango_ | VBoxManage: error: Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SUPLIB_OWNER_NOT_ROOT) | 17:24 |
| tango_ | VBoxManage: error: Details: code NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005), component Console, interface IConsole | 17:24 |
| tango_ | damn | 17:24 |
| Pnuu | hmm, I think M4rtinK2 did the mosh packaging with that OBS? | 17:24 |
| leinir | if it's in mer, nemo or sailfish, it was built on obs :) | 17:24 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Pnuu: me and independently at least 2 other people so far :) | 17:26 |
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| Jef91 | Pnuu, got a link to the SDK? | 17:26 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Pnuu: mine is here: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=mosh&project=home%3AMartinK%3Asailfish | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | Jef91: http://sailfishos.org/ | 17:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | feel free to use & improve it :) | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | Jef91: and #sailfishos for support :-) | 17:27 |
| nffer | does sports tracker work with jolla? | 17:27 |
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| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: I think I have one of yours :-) | 17:28 |
| Milo- | nffer not yet (or ever...) | 17:28 |
| Pnuu | there's a bug in screen update, but no idea howto fix it | 17:29 |
| Milo- | I wonder if ecoach can be ported to jolla | 17:29 |
| Pnuu | long rows and wrapping, or something | 17:29 |
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| pdanek | Are you also being disconnected from Wifi often? | 17:31 |
| pdanek | So I have to enable/disable wifi to reconnect again | 17:32 |
| Pnuu | I haven't had any problems | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | pdanek; constantly | 17:33 |
| Morpog_ | Reboot, a simple app icon to reboot your device: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1401860 | 17:33 |
| pdanek | cool | 17:34 |
| Milo- | http://ecoach.garage.maemo.org/development.html nffer there we go. :) | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | Well, I've seen 3 behaviours. "Fine, everything works ok", "Disastrous, wifi can't hold on for a connection more than a second, or doesn't connect at all", and a middle behaviour where it seems to drop connection every 10-15 minutes or so, killing my ssh to irssi :-( | 17:34 |
| nffer | Milo-: last update 21/06/2010? | 17:35 |
| Yaniel | 1. grab source 2. hack 3. ??? 4. profit | 17:35 |
| Yaniel | M4rtinK2: what did you change there? (mosh) | 17:38 |
| tango_ | so the MerSDK won't start | 17:39 |
| tango_ | Failed to open a session for the virtual machine MerSDK. | 17:40 |
| tango_ | Failed to load VMMR0.r0 (VERR_SUPLIB_OWNER_NOT_ROOT). | 17:40 |
| tango_ | Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) | 17:40 |
| tango_ | Component: Console | 17:40 |
| tango_ | Interface: IConsole {8ab7c520-2442-4b66-8d74-4ff1e195d2b6} | 17:40 |
| tango_ | what could this be? | 17:40 |
| nffer | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/failed-to-load-vmmr0-r0-verr_suplib_owner_not_root-907537/ | 17:40 |
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| tango_ | wtf, my /usr is oblomov:oblomov | 17:41 |
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| tango_ | how is that even possible? | 17:41 |
| teve | tango_: please read your distro instructions how to setup vbox, verity that your user account can launch vm's. | 17:41 |
| nffer | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-April/000089.html | 17:41 |
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| tango_ | teve: I get this error from virtualbox itself, not without the qtcreator | 17:41 |
| tango_ | anyway, it seems I found the proble, but not WHY the problem is there | 17:41 |
| tango_ | yep works now | 17:42 |
| tango_ | no reason in hell why my /usr would be owned by me though | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | Yaniel: looking at the OBS package revisions, I've just droped some weird Perl dependency, removed package-config dependency a converted protobuf-compiler dependency to libprotoc8 | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | Yaniel: I guess a proper .changes entry would be in order though :) | 17:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | Yaniel: but haven't got to that yet though | 17:43 |
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| tango_ | I wonder if I can set qtcreator in some vim mode | 17:45 |
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| Yaniel | I think tbr took a look at it as well | 17:46 |
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| suy | tango_: yes you can :) | 17:50 |
| suy | tango_: is called fakevim | 17:51 |
| suy | but is crap if you are an avid Vim user, it misses a bazillion things | 17:51 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I think this is the wrong way around :) | 17:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | you need a QtCreator plugin for Vim | 17:57 |
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| tango_ | I need a way to understand why deploying the test app doesn't work now that the VM is running | 17:58 |
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| Milo- | nffer yeah.. but that's for N900.. they did another version for N9. | 18:04 |
| Milo- | but basically that's a good starting point. | 18:05 |
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| kehnoo | hello, I'm having trouble with my Jolla, it's in reboot loop mode and recovery isn't working :( | 18:11 |
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| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 18:13 |
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| tango_ | damnit | 18:20 |
| tango_ | this sdk thing doesn't really roll for me | 18:20 |
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| tango_ | rsync: change_dir "/home/nemo/RPMS" failed: No such file or directory (2) | 18:25 |
| tango_ | oh jesus | 18:25 |
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| Quu | oh jesus | 18:29 |
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| Pnuu | kehnoo: if you notice Stskeeps saying something, ping him, he knows best what to do :-) | 18:38 |
| kehnoo | okay! | 18:39 |
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| tango_ | I'm getting no luck | 18:59 |
| tango_ | segmentation fault at the end of the rpm build | 18:59 |
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| * tango_ gives up | 19:05 | |
| tango_ | pity | 19:06 |
| Quu | NEVER GONNA LET YOU DOWN | 19:06 |
| tumpelo | Milo-: eCoach twicsy.com/i/KLX7xd | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: what on earth did you do | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | kehnoo: ping | 19:08 |
| kehnoo | Stskeeps, pong | 19:08 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: I installed the frigging thing and I tried the frigging basic example generated by the stupid thing | 19:08 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: I'm going to suspect something in vbox doesn't like my 2009 cpu | 19:08 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: kehnoo has a boot loop, halp | 19:11 |
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| Pnuu | tango_: try #sailfishos :-) | 19:11 |
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| tango_ | too much effort, really | 19:18 |
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| Yaniel | hmm weechat has some redrawing issues over mosh | 19:32 |
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| Milo- | tumppu brilliant! | 19:42 |
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| Milo- | I haven't been able to jog since I got my Jolla. now I'm fat. | 19:43 |
| jmlich | Hi, at https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html is " In following example it is assumed that SecondPage.qml is located in 'pages' subdirectory." with white color on white background. Please fix it. | 19:44 |
| Pnuu | jmlich: add an issue to together.jolla.com with descriptive topic and tags "sailfishos", "silica", "bug" or something like that | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | a good read for tonight: http://blog.condi.me/blog/tinkerability/ | 20:00 |
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| till | has anyone heard of a vlc port to sailfish? | 20:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | bit of a weird place for this questions: https://together.jolla.com/question/5705/list-of-resolved-bugs/ | 20:04 |
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| tango_ | is ANY scripting language supported for 'native' apps in jolla? | 20:05 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Js | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | tango_: awk, sh, perl | 20:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | and of course Python | 20:07 |
| tango_ | SpeedEvil: let me rephrase: building native apps in jolla in a scripting language, including a sailfish-compatible UI | 20:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | but that is not just a lowly "scripting language" :) | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | python is not installed on the device as defaul | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | t | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | awk is. Clearly Jolla understands that awk > python. | 20:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | bah :) | 20:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, you can easily install Python 2 & 3 :) | 20:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: there, the tinkerability workaround :-) | 20:09 |
| tango_ | hm does qml count as scripting language? | 20:09 |
| tango_ | can an app be built _entirely_ with QML? | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | define scripting language :) | 20:09 |
| suy | tango_: yes | 20:09 |
| tango_ | M4rtinK2: something you can hack around and rerun without compiling | 20:09 |
| tango_ | (for this purpose) | 20:10 |
| tango_ | suy: doesn't need a small C++ thing to launch it? | 20:10 |
| tango_ | you can launch a QML file directly? with what? | 20:10 |
| suy | tango_: but if you want python also, look for thp's slides from qt developer days | 20:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tango_: obviously, you're limited | 20:10 |
| suy | tango_: with /usr/bin/qml | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, I've seen a comic book reader written for Harmattan only with QML & Js - all in a single file ! :D | 20:10 |
| tango_ | hm interesting | 20:10 |
| tango_ | so I could start building qml apps without having to worry about compiling and stuff | 20:10 |
| tango_ | bypassing the frigging sdk entirely | 20:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | in theory | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, that's why I'm using Python & QML | 20:11 |
| tango_ | well, of course, not overly complex stuff | 20:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though the sdk has the rpm building stuff | 20:11 |
| tango_ | AL13N_lizzy: yeah, it segfaults for me | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | I just rsync code from my laptop & run it with qmlscene :) | 20:11 |
| tango_ | I've spent my whole evening trying to build the sample app generated by the sdk | 20:11 |
| suy | the problem with bypassing the SDK, is that you don't have Page without some custom components that mimic Silica, isn't it? they are going to require some C++ plugins | 20:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you can't build an rpm, you won't be able to upload to harbour | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: I'm waiting for python to be accepted to harbour | 20:12 |
| tango_ | AL13N_lizzy: I can leave that as the final step | 20:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tango_: have you been reading the devel@lists.sailfishos.org mailing list archive? | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | the PyOtherSide plugin takes care of the Python <-> QML communication | 20:12 |
| tango_ | AL13N_lizzy: but I can build the app for the time being | 20:12 |
| Pnuu | and pyotherside, too | 20:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tango_: i remember some question like that | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | Pnuu: well, I guess you could bundle it even now - if you are crazy enough :) | 20:13 |
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| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: on #sailfishos they said "no, python's not accepted" | 20:13 |
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| M4rtinK2 | well, as a dependency | 20:14 |
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| M4rtinK2 | as long as you bundle everything Android-style, it should be fine IMHO | 20:15 |
| tango_ | gah | 20:15 |
| tango_ | please don't | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | package would be a few MB though :) | 20:15 |
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| Pnuu | bah, don't want to :-D | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | I've done that for Android for my Python & PySide apps :) | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | Pnuu: also for the time being properly package you application on the Mer OBS and send it to the chum community repo :) | 20:16 |
| suy | Is what everyone does, isn't it? for android you need to bundle your whole Qt anyway (unless you use ministro). And windows and mac are the bundle-everything territory | 20:16 |
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| Pnuu | my data retrieval on python is ready, gui-mock-up is there, I "just" need the glue for passing the data to gui | 20:17 |
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| Pnuu | ofc, there's a lot in between :-P | 20:18 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | how about this excellent answer! https://together.jolla.com/question/6102/idea-usb-ip-address/ | 20:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: on devel ML they said "no, python not allowed... for now" | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: though you could just bundle python with your app | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, that's been said | 20:22 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 20:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though i too would prefer to use more mer stuff as dependency instead | 20:22 |
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| M4rtinK2 | https://together.jolla.com/question/6116/python-application-support-in-jolla-store-harbour/ | 20:26 |
| tango_ | python is a mer dep? | 20:26 |
| tango_ | actually, I have a question about qml apps | 20:26 |
| tango_ | it says that your C++ part should derive from silicapp to enable the silica stuff | 20:27 |
| tango_ | I assume that /usr/bin/qml or whatever does NOT do that | 20:27 |
| tango_ | is there a wrapper that _does_ do that? | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | If lots of apps bundle the same thing, it becomes quite the ram waste (and disk waste, but there's more disk space) | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | I don't think that is needed | 20:27 |
| tango_ | so you can do e.g. /usr/bin/silicaqml yourqmlfile.qml to launch your silica qml ap? | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think the silica components plugin that is loaded once you import silica should do all the magic | 20:28 |
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| M4rtinK2 | not 100% sure though | 20:28 |
| suy | tango_: that tool (now I think that it might be only in 5.2, and 5.1 is the latest for sailfish) takes care of that stuff, whereas qmlscene did not | 20:28 |
| tango_ | which tool? | 20:28 |
| suy | /usr/bin/qml | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | AL13N_lizzy: I'm beginning to think two main application repositories will develop | 20:29 |
| suy | that program IIRC even takes care of selecting proper files depending on the platform, since it uses QFileSelector | 20:29 |
| suy | but that's 5.2 material | 20:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | AL13N_lizzy: one based on Harbour with applications following the store rules, bundling whatever & doing nasty hacks | 20:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | AL13N_lizzy: and another on OBS, like Maemo extras doing stuff properly in regards to packaging | 20:30 |
| suy | suy: cheking the harbour faq now. Read this: " | 20:31 |
| suy | What do I have to put into the Exec= line? | 20:31 |
| suy | Exec=$NAME (for Silica applications using C++ and QML) or Exec=sailfish-qml $NAME (for QML-only Silica applications without an application binary)" | 20:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | AL13N_lizzy: eq. not bundling stuff but properly packaging everything instead, using LSB paths, naming conventions, etc. | 20:31 |
| suy | erm, tango_: ↑↑↑ | 20:32 |
| tango_ | hm so there IS a sailfish-qml | 20:32 |
| tango_ | hm no there isn't | 20:32 |
| suy | maybe is in a package? | 20:33 |
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| suy | BTW, isn't this more appropiate for #sailfishos ? :) | 20:33 |
| tango_ | probably | 20:33 |
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| tango_ | libsailfishapp-launcher-0.0.10-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl <- got it | 20:34 |
| Pnuu | suy: yes, I already suggested that :-) | 20:35 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: so you're saying that the controversial update has been already hacked | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | bad sailfish qml, bad | 20:36 |
| tango_ | M4rtinK2: why? | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | does not support --help | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | or -h | 20:37 |
| tango_ | lol | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | tries to run it instead | 20:37 |
| tango_ | I think it only takes one option, and that's the file name | 20:37 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: neither does pkcon list available commands with -h :-P | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | it's like Java, does the same :) | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, -h can be human readable nowadays :) | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | so what about adding additional QML modules by appending to the QML search path ? | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | qmlscene does that just fine | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | and I kinda need that for my app :) | 20:39 |
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| tango_ | interesting | 20:42 |
| tango_ | so sailfish-qml appname launches /usr/share/appname/qml/appname.qml | 20:42 |
| tango_ | symlinks ftw | 20:44 |
| tango_ | cool | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: no, the interesting thing there is the evil maid thing | 20:48 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: which would even work around full disk encryption, probably | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 20:50 |
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| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ah | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, then you would have the encrypted volume | 20:53 |
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| M4rtinK2 | you would have to modify the software on the device to get the encryption passphrase | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | but that is getting rather far-fetched already | 20:54 |
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| M4rtinK2 | But if somebody that sophisticated is attacking, you shouldn't be using a smartphone in the first place. | 20:57 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: a good read indeed | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK2 | Rather carrier pigeons or couriers on motorbikes. :) | 20:58 |
| FireFly | also, mmcblk0p21?! that's plenty of partitions | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: GPT and yes | 20:58 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK2: carrier pidgeons on motorbikes \o/ | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK2: well, wrapping should be sufficient | 20:59 |
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| jmlich | Hi, I am trying to create foursquare application. Is here anyone for testing? http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/jolla/foursquare-sailfish-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 21:07 |
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| fk_lx | jmlich: I would test, but I'm afraid of you working with NSA ;-) | 21:11 |
| Frye | :D | 21:11 |
| Frye | NSA spyware still missing.. | 21:11 |
| Frye | Waiting for native FB / foursquare app :D | 21:12 |
| fk_lx | jmlich: joking, I don't use foursquare so I don't have account there ;-) | 21:12 |
| jmlich | fk_lx, don't be afraid. Of course I work for them (-; | 21:12 |
| Frye | Joking here too. I don't use it either. Otherwise I'd be installing already | 21:12 |
| jmlich | Are there some icon guidelines for icons? I am not able to find them )-; | 21:13 |
| parasemic | i dont even know what 4square actually is | 21:13 |
| jmlich | parasemic, foursquare is location based game. | 21:13 |
| parasemic | game? | 21:14 |
| parasemic | oh | 21:14 |
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| jmlich | maybe social network with game features (badges, score, etc) | 21:14 |
| FireFly | Hmm, that reminds me, Ingress would be fun to try out | 21:15 |
| FireFly | but AFAIK you need an invite and stuff for that | 21:15 |
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| tango_ | hm there seem to be lots of service icons in the theme dir | 21:28 |
| tango_ | like vimeo youtube flickr | 21:28 |
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| ShadowJK | hm... | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | rmmod wlan ; modprobe wlan | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | caused kernel oops, but made wifi work again | 21:44 |
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| Milo- | https://together.jolla.com/question/6111/i2c-breakout-for-the-other-half/ - I was totally thinking about the classic 'breakout' game :) | 21:54 |
| parasemic | my phone keeps on offering the update again and again.. any solutions? | 21:54 |
| Milo- | parasemic update it? | 21:54 |
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| parasemic | ... | 21:55 |
| parasemic | i have | 21:55 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/6bOy3RNyWME | 21:57 |
| parasemic | creepy | 21:59 |
| parasemic | well, im off to bed | 22:00 |
| parasemic | hope it stops someday | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | i hope we don't have sound notifications for updates.. | 22:01 |
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| parasemic | that too | 22:03 |
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| Chaz6 | Crazy idea.. implement a web server with html5 interface for the phone so you can access functions from a computer | 22:23 |
| Chaz6 | So you can do things like write sms with a keyboard | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | not so crazy | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | ship it on together.*? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:24 |
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| ortylp | Chaz6: it sounds like remote control over HTTP, not a bad idea at all. Some kind of access control would be required thou. | 22:29 |
| Chaz6 | Most definitely | 22:29 |
| Chaz6 | perhaps on first connection, you have to accept the connection on the phone, it then sets up a token | 22:30 |
| Chaz6 | sort of like when you auth an app on twitter | 22:30 |
| ortylp | Chaz6: https only, "wget" - enabled | 22:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | karma needs some tuning though: https://together.jolla.com/question/6205/karma-needs-some-tuning | 22:35 |
| ln- | ortylp: nope, self-signed certificates are worse than viruses in most browsers' opinion. | 22:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i noticed a guy with near 1000 karma, for just asking one question... karma should reward more towards people who help out | 22:36 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | or work "together" | 22:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: how about certificates from selfsigned CA's that you install manually in each browser? | 22:36 |
| * Stskeeps would like to downvote some comments | 22:37 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: yes, me too, also i'd like to edit some comments | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | people have the strangest typo's | 22:37 |
| ln- | AL13N_lizzy: too complicated. | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: thing is, certificates are bad, i mean, you can just go on komodo and get google.com signed for you... if you pay for it | 22:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (it has happened) | 22:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: imho it's better to confirm identities of people responsible | 22:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | like cacert for instance | 22:39 |
| ln- | AL13N_lizzy: the browser makers have taught us that unencrypted HTTP is safer than self-signed HTTPS, so that must be the case then, forever. | 22:40 |
| metallisto | Is someone running the play store on their phone? When I tried it I only got problems with alien. | 22:42 |
| FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: I think I saw a limit on karma per question and day | 22:43 |
| pp_ | works for me (tm) (except drm:ed paid apk's) | 22:43 |
| FireFly | though it was something kinda high, like 25 or 50 or something | 22:43 |
| FireFly | er, upvotes, that is | 22:43 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | FireFly: 500 per day | 22:48 |
| metallisto | pp_: Had you any problems with installation? | 22:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this means one timed question can give you the right to delete questions and answers | 22:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and almost everything else | 22:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: touché | 22:49 |
| pp_ | no major ones, it's a bit flaky at times (tho seems to crash less with the latest update) | 22:49 |
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| ortylp | ln-: it does not matter for me what the browser thinks, only what i think | 22:54 |
| metallisto | pp_: Can you give my a link of instructions you followed? | 22:55 |
| ln- | ortylp: what is the scenario that https would protect you against? | 22:56 |
| ortylp | ln-: grabbing of the "token" over unencrypted wifi, grabbing all data over unencrypted wifi (when wifi is not under your control) | 22:57 |
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| pp_ | this one: http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html | 23:02 |
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| entil | I couldn't get google play store to start even once, crashes all the time | 23:14 |
| entil | should probably post about it on a forum but can't be arsed because I don't really need google play store now ;P | 23:14 |
| AJAX555 | entil: oh? | 23:15 |
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| petantik | Any reason why the 1.0.2.5 update notification occurs multiple times. I have already updated successfully. | 23:15 |
| entil | I once had enough luck that I got a screenshot synchronized with the crashing window | 23:15 |
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| AJAX555 | petantik: yeah, seems like everyone are getting those for some reason | 23:16 |
| AJAX555 | entil: but all other android apps work well though? | 23:16 |
| entil | more or less. I think it was chrome that didn't even start, but I use firefox instead | 23:16 |
| petantik | AJAX555: 4th times the charm. | 23:16 |
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| entil | but there's nothing odd about those instructions, it's like unzip and copy the stuff, and it all shows up.. | 23:19 |
| AJAX555 | atleast some android apps do not start at all if your date settings aren't correct, other than that idk why your android apps do not start | 23:19 |
| entil | I could doublecheck my date settings and reinstall, but like I said, not a priority | 23:20 |
| AJAX555 | shouldn't need reinstalling | 23:20 |
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| AJAX555 | atleast when I had this "problem" didn't need reinstalling | 23:20 |
| entil | I have automatic date/time updating on and it seems correct | 23:21 |
| entil | but if I didn't when I installed and "something" cares about file mtimes or whatever, it might matter | 23:21 |
| AJAX555 | okay, then I have no idea, as I have not used android apps in the past | 23:22 |
| pp_ | logcat is useful for figuring out why they crash | 23:23 |
| pp_ | ... which is typically use of some obscure undocumented api | 23:23 |
| entil | pp_: got more hints on what that is? | 23:24 |
| pp_ | /opt/alien/system/bin/logcat , just keep it running and get android apps to crash | 23:24 |
| entil | W/AccountAuthenticator(14753): addAccount(com.google) | 23:25 |
| entil | W/AccountAuthenticator(14753): java.lang.NullPointerException | 23:25 |
| entil | W/AccountAuthenticator(14753): at java.util.Collections.unmodifiableList(Collections.java:2291) | 23:25 |
| entil | sorry about the paste | 23:25 |
| entil | but it would appear I have something screwed with my google account ;P | 23:26 |
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| entil | afaict I have the google account there and everything | 23:33 |
| entil | I'll get back to that later, now sleep good night -> | 23:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ln-: in any case if there's another selfsigned certificate, after accepting the first time, you will get a recheck, because even if someone impersonates it, the certificate will have a different key and thus fingerprint | 23:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though it's flimsy for real hackers though | 23:36 |
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