| Milo- | I want to cat what that brightness sensor is saying. | 00:00 |
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| Milo- | it might not be alive and well. | 00:00 |
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| Turski | do it then | 00:01 |
| Turski | it is under /sys | 00:01 |
| Milo- | figured that much :) | 00:01 |
| Milo- | Turski does your light sensor show any visible blinking when you point a bright light at it? | 00:02 |
| Turski | O_o | 00:02 |
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| Milo- | on n9, you can see red light coming out of the sensor when it's being teased. | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | isnt that proximity? | 00:05 |
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| Milo- | oh. you are absolutely right. it is proximity sensor. | 00:08 |
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| FireFly | Oh, right, I should complain about that on together | 00:08 |
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| PeterPark | pretty sad indeed.. ;( | 00:09 |
| Kiranos | can you browse the jolla native apps store in a regular browser like google market? | 00:13 |
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| Turski | Kiranos: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ | 00:28 |
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| PeterPark | I really like the together -Stack overflow page, but I miss an overview page to find all the resources: | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | - Harbour | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | - together | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | - SDK | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | - some jolla user forums.. | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | - maemo.org | 00:42 |
| PeterPark | Everywhere people are dropping some info sniplets but it is quite hard to track(not to mention the maemo 100+ page long conversations..) | 00:42 |
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| ShadowJK | yep.. | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | And apps not in harbour, but spread randomly across tmo, twitter, github etc | 00:44 |
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| nander | someone should start something like jolladevelopers.org , with a public wiki, loads of examples, tutorials, etcetera | 00:45 |
| nander | And also as a place to team up | 00:45 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 00:46 |
| nander | We need exclusive apps ;) | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | "there are too many difference websites! Let's open a new website!" | 00:46 |
| nander | Exclusive games that make android people jealous ;) | 00:46 |
| PeterPark | you mean "someone" or "someone@jolla.com"? | 00:46 |
| nander | No, not too many, not at all | 00:46 |
| nander | All of them have their specific target audience | 00:47 |
| nander | Jolla.com is for the newcomer/ shopper wanting to know the basics | 00:47 |
| nander | jollatides and jollausers are to keep track of news | 00:47 |
| nander | together is for the development of the device and it's software | 00:47 |
| nander | tmo is there for historic reasons | 00:47 |
| nander | Ah wait , there is also openrepos ;) | 00:48 |
| nander | My point is, we should have a development-targeted, community-ran website | 00:48 |
| nander | with a forums, wiki, etc. | 00:48 |
| nander | As a place for people to team up etcetera | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | you forgot elinux | 00:49 |
| nander | together is, at the moment, not really suited towards application development | 00:50 |
| nander | and we do need somewhere to do these kind of things | 00:50 |
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| ShadowJK | sailfishos.org? | 00:51 |
| nander | Doesn't look that public to me? | 00:51 |
| nander | Just a lot of information? | 00:51 |
| PeterPark | I was using an n900 and most infos were easy to find on maemo.org | 00:52 |
| PeterPark | now I scanning at least 5-10 pages (and mostly nothing is coming up) | 00:53 |
| nander | tmo is a bit stretching I think | 00:53 |
| nander | because it's now for n900, n9 and also jolla | 00:53 |
| nander | And jolla is just one subforums | 00:53 |
| PeterPark | and maemo.org is bad in organizing topics | 00:53 |
| nander | I think there would be a place for another website | 00:54 |
| PeterPark | slow, limited search, slow, no tree structure, did i mentioned slow? | 00:54 |
| nander | For the purpose of developing applications, games, holding application/game contests | 00:54 |
| nander | And to meet people and team up | 00:55 |
| nander | Loads of things can't be done by one single person | 00:55 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a CFV for comp.os.linux.mobile.sailfish. | 00:55 | |
| nander | I'm off to bed | 00:56 |
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| PeterPark | me too | 00:56 |
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| ShadowJK | oh god, cfv | 01:07 |
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| CoderCandy | Well, I'm going to bed :P | 01:11 |
| CoderCandy | Wait... this isn't the channel I had an active conversation in... | 01:13 |
| CoderCandy | Sorry :P | 01:13 |
| prometoys | CoderCandy, a hint that you are really tired ;) | 01:17 |
| CoderCandy | Eeyup ^^ | 01:17 |
| pdanek | How do I clean browser history & search history? :O | 01:25 |
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| FIQ | <PeterPark> slow, limited search, slow, no tree structure, did i mentioned slow? | 01:27 |
| FIQ | I never had any issues regarding speed of maemo.org | 01:27 |
| FIQ | unless you're including HAM in that, and then... yeah ok | 01:27 |
| pdanek | ok I found out | 01:28 |
| PeterPark | FIQ: It is not something like StackOverflow(speedwise), is it? | 01:28 |
| FIQ | PeterPark: I don't use stackoverflow that much, but maemo never strikes me as slow... | 01:29 |
| FIQ | at most it takes ~1-2s to load a page | 01:29 |
| FIQ | usually way less | 01:29 |
| FIQ | *maemo.org | 01:29 |
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| PeterPark | FIQ: ok maybe I exaggerated it a bit too much, but if you search for information the whole process is slow | 01:31 |
| PeterPark | and *sometimes* even the website is slow as well | 01:32 |
| FIQ | possible | 01:32 |
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| FIQ | I never use maemo.org itself to search for information in it unless it's TMO | 01:32 |
| FIQ | but google | 01:32 |
| PeterPark | me too ;) | 01:32 |
| PeterPark | but to get some context or if posts have moved (froma page 4 -> 107) | 01:33 |
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| merlin1991 | the wiki can be slow at times | 02:01 |
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| GI_Jack | so what does sailfish have? | 03:10 |
| GI_Jack | what sort of IM clients does it support? | 03:10 |
| GI_Jack | any word on OTR support? | 03:11 |
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| petantik | GI_Jack: facebook,xmpp,gtalk. | 03:18 |
| petantik | not sure about otr | 03:18 |
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| GI_Jack | AIM/Yahoo? | 03:20 |
| GI_Jack | does anyone still use AIM or yahoo anymore? | 03:20 |
| GI_Jack | telepathy, is it telepathy? | 03:20 |
| GI_Jack | what about sharing plugins? | 03:20 |
| GI_Jack | anything like gallery2/media goblin, or something else that you can host your own instance of? | 03:20 |
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| petantik | GI_Jack: i believe it is telepathy | 03:34 |
| GI_Jack | are there hardware keyboard otherhalves out yet? | 03:35 |
| GI_Jack | I see the phones on ebay, I'm just too broke to get one now :( | 03:35 |
| GI_Jack | and what is everyone's generall assessment of these phones? | 03:35 |
| GI_Jack | how is the camera? | 03:35 |
| petantik | GI_Jack: camera is lacking imo, but software will probably help | 03:38 |
| petantik | i like the phone | 03:38 |
| GI_Jack | how bad lacking, how does it stack agains the n900 | 03:38 |
| GI_Jack | the n900 imo had a great camera, even if it lacked megapixels | 03:38 |
| petantik | i never had one | 03:38 |
| petantik | i am using the terminal +ssh right now to chat | 03:39 |
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| petantik | on the.phone | 03:39 |
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| petantik | GI_Jack: i expect a month, maybe 2 to have solidified the software elements | 03:41 |
| GI_Jack | nice, | 03:42 |
| GI_Jack | native IRC client? | 03:42 |
| GI_Jack | what about aircrack and wifi eye? | 03:42 |
| GI_Jack | please tell me someone ported cleven | 03:42 |
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| petantik | GI_Jack: unknown. i am sshing to my vps and using weechat from there | 03:45 |
| petantik | the live tiles are cool | 03:46 |
| GI_Jack | what about media sharing | 03:46 |
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| GI_Jack | I want one so bad, but I need the money | 03:48 |
| GI_Jack | usb hostmode/ otg? | 03:48 |
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| petantik | GI_Jack: not tried it; check the forums! | 03:50 |
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| GI_Jack | does jolla have its own forms, or is it on maemo.org | 03:50 |
| GI_Jack | I'm so jealous | 03:50 |
| petantik | together.jolla.com is like SO | 03:51 |
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| CraigA | is there a way to force the system update | 04:35 |
| CraigA | i have the icon for the system update, but clicking on it does nothing | 04:35 |
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| CraigA | https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 — solved | 04:46 |
| thedead1440_ | Stskeeps: all the fuss could have been avoided by better communication. If it was mentioned from the outset that you may choose to skip this update while we prepare another one due to this one locking the bootloader temporarily, those tinkerers would not be too pissed. This is like the infinite time Jolla screw up their communications. It's almost to the point where people feel it's not lack of experience that is being exhibited here | 04:52 |
| thedead1440_ | but a willingness to hide such information until a shitstorm is created. Why Jolla prefers such an approach is still unbeknown to me... | 04:52 |
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| thedead1440_ | You did say previously that you would never have ordered a closed piece of hardware and can you honestly say if you were not involved in Jolla, you would be happy with the way bits and pieces of information are handed about? | 04:58 |
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| thedead1440_ | Either you were not being completely honest when you made that claim or Jolla as a company takes its truly open badge just as a marketing term and not a philosophy. I don't mean to be personal but I hope you see why some people get more pissed than others. Btw neo900 got the necessary funds almost a month ago :p | 05:02 |
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| edgars | yo | 07:27 |
| edgars | after update something is eating battery | 07:28 |
| edgars | again | 07:28 |
| Nicd- | edgars: did you stop tohd.service? | 07:28 |
| edgars | yup | 07:28 |
| Nicd- | how? | 07:28 |
| edgars | wait | 07:28 |
| Nicd- | because just saying 'systemctl stop' will only stop it but not prevent it from starting on reboot | 07:28 |
| edgars | thats for sure | 07:29 |
| edgars | after reboot i run systemctl stop tohd.service | 07:29 |
| Nicd- | in devel-su? | 07:30 |
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| edgars | Nicd-: yup | 07:43 |
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| Azog | stopped tohd.service after devel-su and after the update. now battery consumption is around 8% per 8-9 hours | 07:44 |
| Nicd- | my battery consumption is low too. I masked the service so it doesn't start on reboot | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | did any of you who masked tohd have upgrade problems?[3~ | 07:45 |
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| Azog | the battery consumption before the update was much better, around 1-2% per 10 hours | 07:46 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: I didn't have any problems | 07:46 |
| Nicd- | except tutorial app disappeared | 07:47 |
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| tango_ | Stskeeps: no problem upgrading with masked tohd | 08:03 |
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| tango_ | hm does anybody know if the touchscreen supports pressure? or just touch? | 08:03 |
| tango_ | the reason why I'm asking is that I wonder if apps can differentiate between different kinds of touch | 08:04 |
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| tango_ | this would solve the scroll vs pulley problem with long lists | 08:04 |
| tango_ | scroll: standard down gesture | 08:04 |
| tango_ | pulley: pull down with strong pressure | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | clever | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | you should should submit that to together.* :) | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think it's possible with current tech | 08:05 |
| tango_ | I'm not sure | 08:05 |
| tango_ | in the browser, if I press my thumb down and then move it I don't get a scroll | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | as in, our current device, i mean | 08:05 |
| tango_ | yeah, that's what I'm talking about. in the current device, in the browser, a solidly placed thumb doesn't triger a scroll when swiping | 08:06 |
| tango_ | as opposed to a gentler touch | 08:06 |
| tango_ | maybe because a firm thumb press produces bigger area? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 08:07 |
| tango_ | (the alternative would be one vs two-finger scroll, that works on any multitouch device) | 08:07 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: is there some app or other thing that would allow me to find what kind of events are triggered by specific interactions with the touchscreen? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit overcomplex | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | input comes rather raw into compositor, then gets checked for system wide gestures, else, passed on to client | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | which interprets it | 08:08 |
| tango_ | I see | 08:08 |
| tango_ | and is there a way to debug this pipeline? | 08:09 |
| tango_ | something like evtest on X | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | evtest should prolly work to read the touchscreen | 08:09 |
| tango_ | how so? isn't jolla wayland-based? | 08:10 |
| tango_ | wait, are you saying I can ssh -X from the jolla/ | 08:10 |
| tango_ | ? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | evtest doesn't use X, it uses /dev/input | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | and no | 08:11 |
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| tango_ | oh | 08:12 |
| Nicd- | wayland is going to have RDP though so maybe that some day :) | 08:12 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: damn, I was thinking about the wrong app. I mean xev | 08:12 |
| Nicd- | and it's much better than X forwarding | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn AL13N_lizzy | 08:27 |
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| locusf | hmm store crashes on start | 09:04 |
| locusf | where are the instructions for fixing that? | 09:05 |
| PeperJohnny | locusf: http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/27-dec-2012-sailfish-os-update-read-if-you-have-trouble-updating/ | 09:05 |
| phaeron | locusf: when did you update | 09:05 |
| PeperJohnny | This may help maybe | 09:05 |
| phaeron | locusf: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 09:06 |
| locusf | phaeron: I didnt update yet | 09:06 |
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| phaeron | locusf: so you updated apps only ? | 09:06 |
| locusf | ok | 09:06 |
| locusf | yes apparently | 09:06 |
| phaeron | locusf: when ? :) | 09:07 |
| tango_ | yeah, that's the problem | 09:08 |
| locusf | phaeron: yesterday | 09:08 |
| phaeron | locusf: ok. so possibly before we reverted the email app | 09:08 |
| locusf | yep | 09:09 |
| locusf | phaeron: works ok noe | 09:10 |
| locusf | now | 09:10 |
| phaeron | good | 09:10 |
| matoking | Okay, noticed a bug | 09:12 |
| matoking | If I play Super Hexagon with Frame rate display off, I get random drops in FPS to around 30 and lower every once in a while | 09:12 |
| matoking | If I turn it on, I get smooth 60 FPS without any drops in FPS | 09:12 |
| matoking | Same happens with Canabalt HD, which too is an Android game | 09:13 |
| tango_ | funny | 09:13 |
| Nicd- | quantum bug | 09:13 |
| tango_ | heisebug | 09:13 |
| tango_ | +n | 09:13 |
| matoking | Kind of counter-intuitive that a feature that one would expect to cause a drop in FPS actually does the opposite :P | 09:14 |
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| locusf | cool there is a download indicator now | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | for the store? | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | or what? | 09:22 |
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| locusf | yes | 09:24 |
| locusf | for the update I mean | 09:25 |
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| Nicd- | that has been from the first OS update | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | I mean I remember it was when updating from 1.0.0.5 already | 09:27 |
| locusf | oh | 09:28 |
| ccha4 | good waze works now | 09:29 |
| Yaniel | but this is the first time I've seen it actually working | 09:29 |
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| ccha4 | but since the update angry bird crash | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | the download bar has worked for me every update | 09:32 |
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| hene- | I updated first system update - after that apps said that they are up to date | 09:35 |
| hene- | even though before system update there was updates for the apps | 09:35 |
| hene- | is this correct? | 09:35 |
| PeperJohnny | hene-: was here the same way so i assume it updated it all along | 09:35 |
| ccha4 | same thing | 09:36 |
| hene- | ok, yes | 09:36 |
| ShadowJK | Updating apps first broke things yesterday, so you did it right | 09:36 |
| ccha4 | but in update screen, there missing icon for some application like browse folder | 09:36 |
| hene- | ah | 09:36 |
| ccha4 | but icon is ok in app screen | 09:37 |
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| ccha4 | samething with Unit Master icon on update screen | 09:39 |
| phaeron | hene-: app updates are also part of the OS update | 09:39 |
| hene- | ok :) | 09:41 |
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| Venemo | good morning sailors! | 09:50 |
| tobiski | top of the morning to ya | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | FYI guys: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-28122013/ | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | about the tinker-ability issues | 09:50 |
| edgars | aaaghrrr | 09:53 |
| edgars | Mitakuuluu is ugly and do not work | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | if you have issues, you can report them on https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | but I suggest you be more constructive :P | 09:55 |
| edgars | :) | 09:56 |
| pp_ | The politically correct term is "Looks like open source" ;) | 09:56 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I posted a quote + link of your edits to that ugly TMO thread :) | 09:57 |
| edgars | :D | 09:57 |
| pp_ | So much hate in that TMO thread | 09:57 |
| phaeron | I guess they've been beaten around by previous $corporations they attribute anything to malice | 09:58 |
| Venemo | phaeron +1 | 09:58 |
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| edgars | damn | 10:01 |
| edgars | and and looks like it eats battery :/ | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | mitakuuluu? | 10:01 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: not bad, just woke up | 10:02 |
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| Nicd- | :D | 10:02 |
| Pnuu | I'll get mi coat | 10:02 |
| edgars | Nicd-: jup | 10:02 |
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| hene- | I did not notice any battery drain after installing mitäkuuluu :) | 10:06 |
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| Nicd- | edgars: you should report issues to the github page and preferably have some log output, powertop readouts etc | 10:07 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and is your nfc enabled again? | 10:07 |
| Venemo | this is weird. | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: mm? | 10:11 |
| Venemo | the Jolla seems to respond much faster through SSH if the screen is unlocked | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: locked + off -> lower suspend state | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's not interactive at that point | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | from the point of cpu scheduler | 10:11 |
| Venemo | if the screen is off, it takes ages to SSH in and sometimes it even refuses the connection | 10:11 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I always wanted to ask this: with the Jolla way of power management is it still possible to let an app keep a socket connection while running in the background? | 10:12 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: will the socket disconnect when the screen is off? or when the user goes to another app? | 10:12 |
| * Venemo nods to Stskeeps about the SSH question | 10:13 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92183 | 10:13 |
| Venemo | do I need that if I want to keep my socket open? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | well | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | not in bg | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | in suspend | 10:15 |
| Venemo | ah | 10:16 |
| Venemo | will it kill the battery? | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | if you do it in a bad way | 10:16 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, what is the right way? the lib doesn't even have a README | 10:25 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 10:31 |
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| Venemo | morning ZogG_laptop :) | 10:34 |
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| narchie_ | so, my store is broken | 11:31 |
| narchie_ | it wont open at all | 11:31 |
| tbr | for me app starts and loads content | 11:33 |
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| phaeron | narchie_: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 11:34 |
| jubo2 | g'morning | 11:35 |
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| Yaniel | morning | 11:37 |
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| Quu | for some reason, my google account keeps logging off automagically. | 11:45 |
| Quu | 5 times today already | 11:46 |
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| ggabriel | hi there | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | so, everybody upgraded yet? :-) | 11:46 |
| PeperJohnny | Quu: Same problem here :< | 11:47 |
| Venemo | phaeron: I hope the situation will be better with the next update :) | 11:47 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: we're working on a hotfix for email right now :) | 11:48 |
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| Venemo | phaeron: I'm not talking about email. the stuff described at that link is much more of a problem, I think :) | 11:49 |
| phaeron | yeah it's related a bit. I am working on abi compatibility checks but it is only for C / C++ stuff | 11:49 |
| phaeron | QML is a new fangled thing and there are no tools to automate checks :( | 11:50 |
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| Venemo | why don't you just make the package of the new store client dependant on the new version of the stuff (jolla-settings-accounts IIRC) and then this kind of disaster couldn't happen | 11:51 |
| phaeron | Venemo: now the problem is obvious in retrospect , but humans make mistakes. so the only way to guard against that is to automate | 11:52 |
| phaeron | this time it was settings-accounts that broke api , next time it will be something else. and it might slip through reviews again | 11:52 |
| Venemo | phaeron: it would've helped if someone tested the things before they were published | 11:53 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: it's easy to point fingers without knowing the details :) | 11:53 |
| Venemo | phaeron: now don't take this the wrong way: I don't want to bash, I intend this as constructive criticism | 11:53 |
| phaeron | Venemo: I understand that's why I am spending time to explain :) | 11:54 |
| Venemo | phaeron: thanks :) | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | does anybody have a mail client update in the events view that never updates? | 11:54 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: nope everythings fine right now | 11:55 |
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| tbr | Venemo: the more detailed question is: why did the existing testing/qa procedure not catch this kind of situation and what can be improved for the future | 11:55 |
| spider-mario | yeah, ggabriel | 11:55 |
| spider-mario | but appearently, it’s a downgrade | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: thanks | 11:55 |
| spider-mario | a temporary fix for those who haven’t upgraded the OS itself yet | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | so basically you fix it by removing and installing again | 11:56 |
| spider-mario | or waiting | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: i upgraded with the cli :P | 11:56 |
| spider-mario | it will soon be the version that we have again | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | cool | 11:56 |
| entil | I did the pkcon cli upgrade too and now it's installing the upgrade, but for a lot of people that's a problem :/ | 11:56 |
| ggabriel | entil: yeap, i mentioned yesterday that there must have been a dependency problem somewhere | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | the minute my store got broken :) | 11:57 |
| ShadowJK | if the servers hadnt fallen over, probably nobody would have noticed the incorrect dependencies | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | pkcon update does the magic, but forget about the normal user doing that | 11:57 |
| entil | hehe, I just figured it's a timeout kind of bug from overloaded servers | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: +1 | 11:57 |
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| ggabriel | let's blame amazon | 11:57 |
| Venemo | tbr: my point exactly! | 11:57 |
| entil | crap like this happens with software, everything from people to the release process just has to be vigilant | 11:58 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: spider-mario got fixed by waiting for me... I did upgrade at 4am and oh wonder it went through without any errormsg at all | 11:58 |
| entil | hopefully not a lot of people noticed | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i did it yesterday at about 2100 GMT | 11:59 |
| ggabriel | no problem at all | 11:59 |
| entil | I showed off the jolla at a party last night and noticed the crashing, I was like "their servers got hit hard with the upgrade, that's why the store is crashing probably, but let's look at all these other things" :D | 11:59 |
| spider-mario | for me, `pkcon search name email` prints the following, among other things: | 11:59 |
| spider-mario | Installed jolla-email-0.0.76-10.18.1.jolla.armv7hl Jolla Email Application | 11:59 |
| spider-mario | Available jolla-email-0.0.73-10.17.1.jolla.armv7hl Jolla Email Application | 11:59 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: and I did everything wrong others said they have done for being stuck... | 11:59 |
| phaeron | tbr: was explaining to Venemo the situation that led up to this fubar | 11:59 |
| ShadowJK | so now QA will have a "what if user trips on wifi router or servers fall over?" test point, and release cycle will be a little bit longer | 12:00 |
| tbr | yup | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | that's a very difficult test | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | "please test what happens in case a nuclear bomb wipes out the release servers" | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | and dependencies break all the bloody time | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | <- gentoo user :) | 12:01 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: may I drop the bomb? | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | maybe updates should do download only first | 12:01 |
| phaeron | ggabriel: it already does that | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | i'll leave it up to the experts then ;-) | 12:02 |
| entil | much love for the android camera support btw! got a qr app for android, just took a scan of a random barcode (moonspell's alpha noir/omega white album) and found it on amazon :D | 12:02 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: "please procure a nuclear bomb for release testing" | 12:06 |
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| ggabriel | also, my tutorial got uninstalled | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | i reainstalled it in case i wanted to show the device to somebody else | 12:07 |
| ggabriel | no problems with ambience :D | 12:07 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: vids or it didn't happen! | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | tbr: amazon sells uranium | 12:08 |
| phaeron | ggabriel: we fixed _that_ problem :D | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | yeah somebody beat me to closing the question | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | (in together.j.c) | 12:08 |
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| Venemo | btw, which ambience belongs to the poppy red TOH? | 12:13 |
| PeperJohnny | The first one iirc | 12:13 |
| tango_ | how do you change ambience after you've selected it, btw? | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | tango_: gallery->ambiences | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | remember to save | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | you can also set favourites and push from lock screen | 12:14 |
| PeperJohnny | tango_: select a fed favourites and then swipe left or right on homescreen | 12:14 |
| Venemo | tango_: gallery -> ambience -> pulley menu | 12:22 |
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| Venemo | hm | 12:27 |
| Venemo | I just got reminded why I don't use TMO | 12:27 |
| Venemo | I mislike all the whining that goes on in thes | 12:27 |
| Venemo | I mislike all the whining that goes on in there | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: we may be reading the same thread then ;) | 12:27 |
| PeperJohnny | talk.maemo.org? | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: aye | 12:28 |
| PeperJohnny | ah ok | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | whining goes on everywhere tho | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | one of my mistakes in life was being "low maintenance", i'm sure i'd have a better salary by now if i were at least "mid maintenance" ;-) | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: altho, to be fair, (and if we're reading the same thread), there are a lot of reasonable folks too | 12:32 |
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| msknight | Stskeeps, Another link for you - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=194 | 12:56 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yes. what I don't like is that there's a bunch of guys in there whos posts obviously reflect that they are not reading what I or anyone else writes - they just whine on and on | 12:57 |
| msknight | Venemo, you talking about together.jolla.com, perchance? | 12:57 |
| Pnuu | msknight: TMO | 12:58 |
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| msknight | Pnuu, Sorry - TMO? | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: aye, but reading and understanding are two very different tasks. | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | it's a lot easier interactively | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | this is why people who can talk very clearly and know nothing succeed in life somehow | 12:58 |
| Venemo | msknight: TMO = talk.maemo.org | 12:59 |
| * ggabriel is reminded that he needs to write jolla first impressions at some point | 12:59 | |
| Venemo | yup, me too | 12:59 |
| msknight | Oh! Thank Venemo. I've just given up on together.jola.com Thought others might have too. | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | msknight: why give up? that's _the_ place to ask questions, make feature requests, etc. | 13:00 |
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| ggabriel | albeit jolla folks read other sources too | 13:01 |
| msknight | ggabriel, You're kidding me! I've had people closing my requests, editing my requests and even changing the titles. What's the point?! | 13:01 |
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| Pnuu | msknight: that's exactly the point :-P | 13:01 |
| Venemo | msknight: TMO is bascially an old forum that survived from the old Maemo days and is used to this point. unfortunately most of the patrons are the type of person who just whine about their unrealistic expectations and think that everyone should think as they do | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | msknight: you could do the same with enough karma, and you can respond back if you don't agree | 13:01 |
| Pnuu | collaborative platrform | 13:01 |
| Pnuu | *platform | 13:01 |
| Venemo | msknight: together is a much-much better place, compared to TMO ;) | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | msknight: also, closed posts isn't such a bad thing | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | i go about closing even my posts | 13:02 |
| msknight | ggabriel, Like - un-edit my own suggestiong editing? Sheesh. | 13:02 |
| phaeron | msknight: are you sure updates stick around on the fs ? | 13:02 |
| phaeron | they should be cleared automaticaly | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i think together.j.c != tmo in terms of what it is for | 13:02 |
| Kuus2 | Anyone have experience what's the queue in care@j.c atm? I've been waiting since 9th of dec for ticket about my preordered jolla (finland) | 13:02 |
| msknight | ggabriel, It could turn into a war ... and ultimately, I don't want people editing things that I've said. | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | together.j.c def not a discussion forum | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | msknight: for example? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: edits are done to help shape the bugs because it's done by domain experts, so we can action on them and refer to them later | 13:02 |
| Pnuu | msknight: then add a comment explaining what should be changed in the suggestion, and why | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | msknight: if i post anything in together.j.c, i _know_ that people can edit them, otherwise i'll make a page in my own server | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's a natural process, just like a bug report would evolve from 'this breaks when i do X' to 'this may fix it' | 13:03 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: exactly | 13:03 |
| msknight | ggabriel, Well, I wanted the date on the front screen. "Suggestion: Date on lock screen" - someone just changed it to "Add possibility to configure what is shown on the lock screen" | 13:03 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: agreed | 13:03 |
| ShadowJK | I've always hated using tmo, the webdesign never got to an usable state.. but it's much better than together's webdesign. Please someone give the webmaster a Jolla so he/she/they can see for themselves :) | 13:03 |
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| ggabriel | msknight: that sounds like a good edit :) | 13:03 |
| msknight | ggabriel, and I've had a notice that they've editied the content, but I'm not sure what, of my own words, they have changed. | 13:04 |
| Pnuu | msknight: you can check all the edits | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | msknight: like Stskeeps said - that edit actually contributed and expanded your request | 13:04 |
| entil | mmmeh! installed google play and it crashes :< | 13:04 |
| msknight | ggabriel, I am responsible for what I say, legally. | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | i'd agree with you if my post was deleted for no reason | 13:04 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK +1 although it probably isn't their fault, the same software is used by eg. ask.fedoraproject.org and ask ubuntu etc. | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | msknight: i don't think we are talking law herfe | 13:04 |
| Pnuu | msknight: for example: https://together.jolla.com/questions/1198/revisions/ | 13:04 |
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| msknight | ggabriel, If someone starts changing the content of my posts, then that is fundamentally wrong. Full stop, karma or not. What if I didn't have enough karma to change it back? | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | msknight: you can always write your own stuff in your blog post | 13:05 |
| fk_lx | msknight: it wasn't just someone who changed, it was stezz ;-) | 13:05 |
| fk_lx | :-D | 13:05 |
| Pnuu | msknight: available via "updated 42 hours ago" link on the issue page | 13:05 |
| msknight | ggabriel, And that's what I'm doing. In my own blog. | 13:05 |
| msknight | ggabriel, hence posting the link here for Stskeeps | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | msknight: my point is that if you want things to go through to jolla, it goes in together.j.c | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | jolla may or may not read your blog, tmo, etc etc | 13:05 |
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| ggabriel | mind you: i'll do something similar | 13:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: mom == morning? | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | but my main feedback is in together.t.c | 13:06 |
| msknight | ggabriel, No one has the right to change what I say. Full stop. | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | msknight: that's your opinion and is respectable as such | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | together.j.c's rules don't guarantee that | 13:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i often edit posts | 13:06 |
| Pnuu | msknight: you've understood together wrong | 13:06 |
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| Pnuu | if there's something that can clarify the reported issue, or make the report better, that should be done | 13:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | imho together is to be a resource (a community FAQ of sorts) for people to search for answers | 13:07 |
| msknight | I've understood "Together" wrong? What about understanidng "legally responsible for what you say ... and having someone change the words that come out of your mouth or altering what you want, in to something that maybe you don't want and don't have the ability to change it back again" | 13:07 |
| Venemo | msknight: by the way, welcome to the community! :) | 13:07 |
| Pnuu | msknight: newer used wikipedia?-) | 13:07 |
| Pnuu | never* | 13:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: you stop being responsible the minute it says below your name "updated" | 13:08 |
| Venemo | msknight: just saying because I don't recall your name from the older times | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | msknight: so, if somebody changes what you write, it is recorded | 13:08 |
| msknight | People have the right to consider and ignore what I say ... not to change it. | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | so nobody will blame you for your edits, if that's the concern | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | and whatever you post isn't legally binding, so.... | 13:08 |
| fk_lx | Well in my opinion msknight has some point in what she is saying | 13:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: not sure, but i think signing up in together you had to sign something | 13:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: better go back and reread that | 13:08 |
| msknight | AL13N_lizzy, that is why I am not taking part in together any more. | 13:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but, if i see a post and a typo, i'll go edit the typo | 13:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: that's your prerogative | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | If it's any consolidation, authors aren't that easy to figure out / see when viewed on jolla, so it looks like a anonymous thing the whole lot :P | 13:09 |
| msknight | AL13N_lizzy, And I'm exercising it ... and explaining why. | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | msknight: yeap, appreciated, i asked why :) | 13:09 |
| fk_lx | imagine if someone would edit some of her posts on Together to put her in bad light, just an example what can happen | 13:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: tbh, if you want to post your opinion unchanged, you should blog instead | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | and i'm explaining the ethos of together.j.c | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | you may or may not agree/participate | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | and that's ok | 13:09 |
| * msknight gives up and go gets a cup of tea. | 13:10 | |
| ggabriel | together.j.c has a few problems too, but i personally like the collaborative attitude | 13:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | iow: it looks like we all agree on together | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: i'll go after that editor and edit back | 13:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | iow: no need for me to have jumped in | 13:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: what will you edit? | 13:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'll go re-edit that :-) | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | 13:09 < fk_lx> imagine if someone would edit some of her posts on Together to put her in bad light, just an example what can happen | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | i mean, if somebody is being mean... | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | which hasn't happened yet (or i haven't seen it) | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | stezz's edit in msknight's case was spot on IMNSHO | 13:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if someone is being mean they should be kicked out | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: aye aye captain ;-) | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | i must eat, digest and run before the sun goes down | 13:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | together is a community thing (aka communist) :-) | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | i like together | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | the ux sucks a little bit tho | 13:12 |
| * AL13N_lizzy too | 13:12 | |
| ggabriel | it gets some getting used to | 13:12 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | the search sucks | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the rest is ok | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | of course that stezz change of topic made sense, but I understand why msknight doesn't feel too good about her post edited | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: it should work on jolla's stock browser too :P | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nice, i'm >500 now | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | beware ppl | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'll delete your stuff!!! | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | muhahahahahaha | 13:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: yeah, but together isn't a newspaper | 13:13 |
| * lpotter agress with msknight | 13:13 | |
| ggabriel | when i post there, i _know_ that AL13N_lizzy can come along and help expanding it | 13:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: that is why there's a mailing list :-) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | s/can/could/ | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu also fixed a few things of my posts | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | and i'm grateful | 13:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: (or delete it) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: yes. and some people are nice | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | they close instead of delete | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | i deleted an own post after somebody rightly closed it | 13:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | very odd, Pnuu and myself are often online at the same time, editing the same posts and such | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | the more organised together is, the quicker jolla will deliver to us | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i think you are Pnuu | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | and Pnuu is you | 13:14 |
| tango_ | it _would_ be better if changes were suggested to the original author rather than being actually implemented | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: :-D | 13:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: i've come accross 3 instances where i wanted to delete answers, because they should be comments or just were worthless | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | tango_: if in doubt, comment; if you are 100% sure of what you are doing, edit/delete/close | 13:14 |
| tango_ | AL13N_lizzy: I made a comment a reply by mistake | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | tango_: depends on the case, sometimes eyes | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | yes | 13:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tango_: if unsure you can always re-edit back | 13:15 |
| Pnuu | graah | 13:15 |
| tango_ | it was remarked, I deleted the reply and made a comment with the same word | 13:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though it would be nice to see a history | 13:15 |
| fk_lx | ggabriel: keep in mind that what you understand by better organisation may discourage other from contributing, msknight is already discouraged | 13:15 |
| fk_lx | ggabriel: I treat it as a loss | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy and Pnuu, you speak at the same time, i'm still unconvinced you are != people | 13:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hahaha | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | fk_lx: agree with that | 13:15 |
| lpotter | I think you shouldnt edit or delete othjers comments... | 13:15 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: the proof is that we can't just edit the same posts at the same time | 13:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's not near, it's the exact same second | 13:15 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: and I heve 300 higher karma :-D | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: Pnuu :) | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | i also think that together.j.c is temporary | 13:16 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | :-( | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | it's been live for a couple of days | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | let's give it time to evolve | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | maybe it's the right idea, maybe it isn't | 13:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i think it'll be useful primarily later on | 13:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | as a FAQ resource | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | i personally like it; i understand fk_lx and msknight | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | and i don't want people to feel bullied | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 13:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i make titles better, or retag when needed, text mostly typo's only, or formatting | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | i have to eat now, laters folks | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | there's not much point in suggesting to the author "please, add tags x, y and z" | 13:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if it's unclear i often ask what he means | 13:17 |
| fk_lx | ggabriel: I for example totally agree that if someone did misspelling or other obvious language error, then editing it is fully justified | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | just add them.. | 13:17 |
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| fk_lx | ggabriel: I have doubt in other cases, it may affect negatively some people | 13:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it would be better to have history, to see what exactly was changed | 13:17 |
| fk_lx | ggabriel: keep in mind that everybody is different | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: there is! | 13:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there is? | 13:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe now i'll have enough karma to see that :-) | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | yup, just click "updated" text with the avatar | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | that gives the full revision history | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | with highlights | 13:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: hooo! awesome | 13:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that would've been lots more useful if i'd known earlier | 13:20 |
| kontio | AL13N_lizzy: fk_lx: does any of you have the power to move an answer to a comment? is that possible? | 13:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | no, afaik not possible, someone asked that feature | 13:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i voted that up | 13:20 |
| Pnuu | kontio: no, but I maden an issue about it | 13:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gtg | 13:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ttyl | 13:20 |
| phaeron | personally I think askbot is a an organized wiki | 13:20 |
| kontio | link? | 13:20 |
| kontio | so I can vote up :-) | 13:20 |
| Pnuu | kontio: https://together.jolla.com/question/2903/possibility-to-change-answers-to-comments/ | 13:21 |
| kontio | ty | 13:21 |
| msknight | Oh, so now someone will edit colour to read color? Forget the message, just make sure it is spelt correctly . but "better," is, "better" by who's standards? | 13:21 |
| Pnuu | msknight: by the editors' | 13:22 |
| phaeron | msknight: have you used wiki before ? | 13:22 |
| msknight | phaeron, No, I haven't. I've read of all sorts of nightmare scenarios when wiki editing has resulted in people and entire organisation's IP's being banned from post editing. | 13:22 |
| fk_lx | msknight: comments cannot be edited, so instead of posting answers you can post comments, although their is disadvantage that their lenght is limited | 13:23 |
| msknight | By the way, "colour" is the English spelling, "color" is the American English. Who is to say what is the correct spelling? I'm already dyslexic (don't ask how I can always spell that) so someone starting an editing argument over how to spell something would drive me insane. | 13:23 |
| msknight | What? Post comments to my own ideas/suggestions/bug reports? | 13:24 |
| fk_lx | msknight: I understand your point of view, but calm down a bit | 13:24 |
| fk_lx | msknight: to me you are valuable member of this community | 13:24 |
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| msknight | I am calm fk_lx - that is why I've backed out and am explaining my position why I have backed out. | 13:25 |
| phaeron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki#Legal_environment <-- good reading imho | 13:25 |
| msknight | People are putting their own values on to me; which I object to ... and it just reads that people don't think that my objections are valid ... that is what is going to happen in a multi-cultural forum. | 13:26 |
| fk_lx | msknight: I suggest you should write a post on Together about it how do you see editing someone answers issues on Together, I will be the first to vote on your post and guard that no one else will edit it | 13:26 |
| phaeron | msknight: btw if you find update files lying around please open a "bug" ( question ) :) | 13:26 |
| msknight | phaeron, Well, I think I've had a few of those edited as well. | 13:27 |
| msknight | With the e-mails that come shooting through, it is hard to keep track. | 13:27 |
| msknight | I've deleted loads of notification e-mails from the together forum. | 13:27 |
| lpotter | https://together.jolla.com/question/4731/code-of-conduct/ | 13:28 |
| Pnuu | I turned off the emails, there were just too many | 13:28 |
| msknight | fk_lx, I'm not sure that would work. Ultimately it should be Finnish culture that is the central culture which the forum should follow. | 13:28 |
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| Pnuu | msknight: umm, no | 13:28 |
| lpotter | I get notification emails only with certain tags | 13:28 |
| msknight | fk_lx, If I don't agree with that, then it is my perogative to back out and leave it. | 13:28 |
| Pnuu | msknight: it should be "together culture" :-P | 13:28 |
| fk_lx | msknight: see https://together.jolla.com/question/4731/code-of-conduct/ | 13:29 |
| phaeron | msknight: you don't have past experience dealing with bugzilla and wiki , so I understand that it can be overwhelming to learn both new types of "forum" at the same time | 13:30 |
| msknight | Ha! There is already someone saying "That's not feasible." | 13:30 |
| phaeron | anyway I gtg | 13:30 |
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| msknight | phaeron, I operate in a number of forums, and operating in multiple forums means I can not remember/action the rules of all forums at all times. Among them, I am a technical lead in a cloud telephony installation and communicate with a community and the supplier. I am also a beta tester for Netgear ... etc. etc. ... you see the problem. | 13:31 |
| msknight | Damn. I didn't type fast enough. | 13:32 |
| Quu | eww netgear :p | 13:32 |
| fk_lx | msknight: I've proposed an idea that there could be some tag please-dont-edit if someone doesn't wish his post/answer to be edited, and other should respect such tag | 13:32 |
| fk_lx | msknight: https://together.jolla.com/question/4731/code-of-conduct/#post-id-4737 | 13:32 |
| fk_lx | but it's just an idea, I'm not sure how much sense it has, but we can consider it | 13:33 |
| kontio | fk_lx: but would it still be ok to break that rule, if some strong language is used? but then a flame war starts which words are strong and which not :-) | 13:34 |
| msknight | Well, I'll sit back and watch how it works out. I'm already up to my neck in stuff to test and bugs to squash :-) | 13:34 |
| Pnuu | in a wiki-like reporting system edits are a must, IMHO | 13:34 |
| Pnuu | that's the way to make the issues general enough, or specific enaough, to be useful | 13:35 |
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| msknight | Kondou, Good point. Believe it or not, a friend of mine got chastised for using a word to the support crew. The long story short is that the support crew didn't understand English. A load of chaos brewed over that one. | 13:36 |
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| tango_ | am I the only one having problems editing large texts (e.g. message forms on tjc) because of the inability to move around when not all text shows in the visible part of the form? | 13:36 |
| fk_lx | Pnuu: well the problem was, that there was another post that was more general that msknight post, and someone (stezz) close the other (more general) post and changed msknight post topic to more general | 13:37 |
| msknight | Pnuu, I disagree. The together forum is not a wiki, IMHO. It allows a series of comments through which an issue is discussed and progresses. It is not a single body of editable text. | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | tango_; i have same problem. | 13:37 |
| tango_ | is it reported on tjc already? | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yes | 13:37 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: link? | 13:38 |
| fk_lx | kontio: if some strong language is used there is always option to flag as offensive | 13:38 |
| tango_ | (also, I like the term keyboard, I would like to use it elsewhere too) | 13:38 |
| Pnuu | msknight: there's a checkbox "this is a community wiki post", and those end up in the same system | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | I like the normal one better for writing text.. | 13:38 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: well, the term one is missing word completion | 13:39 |
| tango_ | that could be added | 13:39 |
| ShadowJK | tango_; together number 1089 | 13:39 |
| msknight | Pnuu, Well, that's potentially confusing ... in my humble opinion. But that's just my opinion. | 13:39 |
| ShadowJK | I'd copy/paste url but it doesn't work :P | 13:39 |
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| tango_ | ShadowJK: got it | 13:40 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: tango_: https://together.jolla.com/question/1089/browser-togetherjolla-forum-use-with-jolla/ | 13:40 |
| tango_ | we need a bot here | 13:40 |
| tango_ | srsly | 13:40 |
| tango_ | so !tjc 1089 => provides link info | 13:41 |
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| tango_ | ShadowJK: well, the problem I was thinking about is more general, not just for tjc | 13:41 |
| Pnuu | tango_: or a working copy-paste system ;-D | 13:41 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: the two things are not mutually exclusive 8-D | 13:41 |
| Pnuu | true, dat | 13:41 |
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| kontio | Merbot: learn about TJC :-) | 13:45 |
| Merbot | kontio: Error: "learn" is not a valid command. | 13:45 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:45 |
| kontio | it seems not to be willing at the moment | 13:46 |
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| Pnuu | "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave." | 13:46 |
| tango_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/4747/cannot-move-around-in-overflowing-text-boxes/ there we are | 13:46 |
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| tango_ | Merbot: TJC is http://together.jolla.com | 13:47 |
| Merbot | tango_: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). | 13:47 |
| tango_ | meh | 13:47 |
| tango_ | also, Merbot doesn't comply with the irc etiquette of replying to CTCP VERSION requests | 13:48 |
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| msknight | Ah yes. Here we are ... we were told not to use the word "molested" because it was offensive. | 13:48 |
| msknight | (not here, of course) | 13:49 |
| Kabouik | Thank you guy for the update, great changelog | 13:49 |
| ShadowJK | msknight; how about buggered | 13:49 |
| Pnuu | "fuckedup" | 13:49 |
| msknight | ShadowJK, A good, solid word to describe much of IT services :-) | 13:49 |
| Kabouik | I have a question though: now if I want to sync Google calendar (one way only I know, I hope will have full sync soon), I have to sync contacts too? I don't want the billions of Gmail contacts I have to colonize my People app :/ | 13:49 |
| tango_ | Merbot: TJC is http://together.jolla.com | 13:50 |
| Merbot | tango_: The operation succeeded. | 13:50 |
| tango_ | tjc? | 13:50 |
| msknight | Pnuu, I prefer FUBAR in that instance :-) Taking a leaf out of the US Military handbook | 13:50 |
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| tango_ | Merbot: tjc? | 13:50 |
| Merbot | tjc is http://together.jolla.com | 13:50 |
| tango_ | ok | 13:50 |
| tango_ | !tjc | 13:50 |
| Merbot | tjc is http://together.jolla.com | 13:50 |
| tango_ | YEAH | 13:50 |
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| celeron55 | is it possible to easily make an app on jolla that uses python and pygame? | 13:50 |
| tango_ | celeron55: nope, python is currently not supported | 13:51 |
| Pnuu | msknight: also SNAFU works | 13:51 |
| tango_ | celeron55: let me dig up the link for that | 13:51 |
| celeron55 | is it planned? | 13:51 |
| kontio | yes | 13:51 |
| tango_ | yes | 13:51 |
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| msknight | Great, so now Merbot will direct anyone looking for the True Jesus Church, to Jolla | 13:52 |
| fk_lx | celeron55: python3 apps will be even supported in official Jolla Store apps :-) | 13:52 |
| tango_ | celeron55: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 13:52 |
| tango_ | msknight: good thing, I say | 13:52 |
| msknight | ROTFL | 13:52 |
| Kabouik | Anyone knows for my qiuestion above? | 13:53 |
| Pnuu | improvment at the least ;-) | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | The tjc about store comments being in wrong language is kinda amusing. In FFOD, the store is full of spanish comments.. and Jolla Store full of finnish comments | 13:53 |
| msknight | Kabouik, I personally stayed off the Google systems purely because it was an all or nothing approach. | 13:53 |
| kontio | celeron55: see also: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001805.html | 13:53 |
| fk_lx | kontio: pygame doesn't have anything todo with pyotherside or other qt bindings like pyqt | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | I do understand that msknight, and in some way you are right, but Google Calendar can be synchronized without the rest normally | 13:54 |
| fk_lx | kontio: pygame is actually Python bindings for SDL | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: I think there were some choices when selecting what to include from google (for example I allowed only GTalk) | 13:54 |
| Kabouik | It's just that in Sailfish Accounts part, I don't see anything specific to contacts or calendar, sync seems to be for all account parameters | 13:54 |
| tango_ | shall we add tjc as a bugtracker to Merbot? | 13:54 |
| Venemo | Kabouik: google calendar didn't even appear for me | 13:54 |
| Pnuu | although I haven't tried email or calendar stuff | 13:55 |
| ln- | ShadowJK: the real problem is that the comments are being used as some kind of discussion forum. | 13:55 |
| RST38h | They could have shown more creativity by replacing harbour- with something else | 13:55 |
| Kabouik | That's in Settings/Accounts Pnuu, and I did reject some options too | 13:55 |
| msknight | Hang on - ShadowJK just mentioned tjc and Merbot didn't chime in. | 13:55 |
| tango_ | msknight: you have to explicitly ask | 13:55 |
| RST38h | like not-a-droid- or free- | 13:55 |
| Kabouik | But only one Sync option, and it includes contacts. No way to just select calendar? it makes no sense :( | 13:55 |
| tango_ | with merbot or ! | 13:55 |
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| msknight | Oh, right. | 13:55 |
| ShadowJK | ln-; so store needs discussion forum interface and/or link :) | 13:56 |
| tango_ | except that there is no 'stackoverflow' bugtracker type in supybot | 13:56 |
| msknight | If someone wants to make a suggestion for tjc, in Mail - deleted folder, an option to empty the the whole folder in the pull down. | 13:57 |
| kontio | fk_lx: ok, don't know about all that py-what ever stuff :-) but I thought he might want to use python3 | 13:57 |
| Kabouik | And add "Set as unread" in the pulley menu inside a message msknight. | 13:57 |
| * ggabriel back | 13:58 | |
| Pnuu | msknight: already suggested | 13:58 |
| msknight | Pnuu, cool. Also, deleting an e-mail apparently leaves the attachments in the mail_attachments folder. | 13:58 |
| kontio | \o/ 1k questions on tjc | 13:58 |
| msknight | Pnuu, I had to delete them manually. | 13:58 |
| tango_ | msknight: also already reported | 13:58 |
| msknight | tango_, Cool. I did write them up last night. | 13:59 |
| Pnuu | msknight: ah, it was for messaging app: https://together.jolla.com/question/4716/messages-application-add-pulley-menu-option-to-delete-all-conversations/ | 13:59 |
| msknight | Yes, I wrote about it in my blog post. | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | i think many suggestions were made for the mail application... i can't be asked to look for them | 14:00 |
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| * ggabriel hopes all of them are tagged with "email" | 14:00 | |
| msknight | So long as the suggestions are picked up, that's cool! | 14:00 |
| Pnuu | here an edit would be a good to make the suggestion include also email ;-) | 14:00 |
| * msknight ducks | 14:00 | |
| ggabriel | tbh, i think jolla knows very well that there are gaps | 14:00 |
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| ggabriel | i like the threaded suggestion the most | 14:01 |
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| Kabouik | Well, so still no Google calendar sync for me. There is no way I will use the calendar if I hase to use tue contacts sync too. It doesn't make any sense to force people having both at the time (and this time, it doesn't come from Google, it usually does) | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: that's exactly why i didn't install google | 14:01 |
| msknight | Ah, no, that one is for messaging, not the e-mail "deleted" folder. | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: maybe a suggestion for together.j.c? | 14:01 |
| Kabouik | ggabriel but the problem doesn't come from Google here ggabriel | 14:02 |
| Kabouik | I can sync only calendar if I want on Harmattan | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: nope, there should be an option like the n9 | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: to me google is a problem altogether ;-) | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | but i digress - sailfish should offer the same | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | unless there are some legal issues in between, hopefully not | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | but reflecting about it | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | if you had proper caldav support | 14:02 |
| Kabouik | But in Sailfish options, I only see a "Sync" ticker, not two. And it explicitely mentions contacts. I don't want 3000 emails addresses in my People app because I want to sync Calendar :( | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | then you could avoid setting up a google account, and set up your caldav independently, right? | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | pretty much like i did with google chat and xmpp | 14:03 |
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| ggabriel | so, basically, access all google services with open standards independently | 14:03 |
| Kabouik | I don't know how to do it, but anyway, I need my Google account for gmail | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: i set up email separately :) | 14:03 |
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| ggabriel | i can give you the settings if you want | 14:04 |
| Kabouik | I use gtalk too :[ | 14:04 |
| tango_ | I love how email stuff has 3 different tags | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | they are in gmail->settings or something or other | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: i set up gtalk with xmpp :D | 14:04 |
| Kabouik | Seems over complicated to me (although it works) | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: well, there lies the question... | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | do you make it simple for the end user and leave more complex/customisable options for whoever knows whta they are doing? | 14:04 |
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| Kabouik | I can wait, I'll keep it as it is to show that the "Sync" option in Accounts should offer more parameters than just on/off | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: agreed | 14:05 |
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| ggabriel | harmattan was good at that | 14:05 |
| Kabouik | But thanks a lot ggabriel, I'll definitely ask you if I change my mind and am fed up of waiting | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: no worries man, this info is available | 14:06 |
| Kabouik | It's just that I see no decent reason for forcing on/off sync when options on what to sync are available (which is already surprising coming from Google...) | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | google hides it, but it's there | 14:06 |
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| ggabriel | i reckon google will eventually close the open protocols anyway | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | in favour of something better than they think they do | 14:07 |
| Kabouik | ggabriel actually if sync was fully implemented in Sailfish, I'd do the trick | 14:07 |
| Kabouik | But here sync is only one way anyway so almost useless to me | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | sync with calendars? | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | yeah, exactly | 14:07 |
| Kabouik | That's why I'll wait | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | i know they are working on full caldav | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | i have my own btw | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | radicale i use | 14:07 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 14:08 |
| Andy80 | is anyone still having problems upgrading to 1.0.2.5 ? I get the update notification, but I'm never able to download it. It tries, but ptobably there is a timeout and it stops... | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: got developer mode? | 14:09 |
| Andy80 | yes | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | can you do 'ssu s' and tell me output? | 14:10 |
| Andy80 | sure, just a moment.. | 14:10 |
| mcfrisk | lets ask for trouble and try jolla update on VR train wlan.. | 14:10 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: devel-su first, right? | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 14:10 |
| narchie_ | >vr | 14:10 |
| ezech | hello | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: wow | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | mcfrisk: lol, are you chuck norris? :) | 14:10 |
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| Andy80 | :D | 14:11 |
| * ShadowJK lols at "Tracker ate all my diskspace" tjc | 14:11 | |
| Pnuu | mcfrisk: you're doomed | 14:11 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: done "ssu s" it looks like it contains my IMEI, can I paste you it in private maybe? | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | btw it also says Release: 1.0.2.5 | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: ssu lr then | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | since I was having problems I tried upgrading using "version --dup" can this be a problem? | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | true or myth? https://together.jolla.com/question/4752/question-i-stupidly-issued-a-pkcon-update-while-trying-to-install-update-2/ | 14:12 |
| mcfrisk | heh, fallback to N9 is always an option, after ticket inspection that is :) | 14:12 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: here is the output http://pastebin.com/DBhJq7qx | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: pkcon refresh | 14:14 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: I'm doing it... it looks stuck on "Refreshing software list" | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit | 14:16 |
| Andy80 | ok | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | what version were you on before? | 14:16 |
| Andy80 | 1.0.1.x | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | you don't have zypper installed too, by chance | 14:17 |
| Andy80 | I can veryfy... | 14:17 |
| Andy80 | do I interrupt the refreshing? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | no, just let it to that | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | +do | 14:17 |
| Andy80 | oh wait it's 12% now | 14:17 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | lol @ https://together.jolla.com/question/4752/question-i-stupidly-issued-a-pkcon-update-while-trying-to-install-update-2/ | 14:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | how does one accidentally pull that off??? | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | you write the command and shoot yourself in the foot | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i asked above if that was true | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | as i upgraded with pkcon update :) | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | like others did | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | never ever use anything else than pkcon refresh or pkcon local-install | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | we cannot promise your image is sane afterwards | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: thanks, so best to restore to factory settings and start over? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | in his case, yeah, naturally with a backup first | 14:23 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: i saw a few comments and files about a device(?) called "boston" in the boot scripts and kernel sources, do you know what this is? (it seems to be related to jolla) | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: thanks again, i'll respond to that question then | 14:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | my question was a bit rhetoric, but lol | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | krnlyng: just a old prototype name, we've had many | 14:24 |
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| krnlyng | ah :), i wondered if it was a device comming up^^ wasn't all the way wrong | 14:25 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yesterday I did this https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 to fix the other problem... is it a problem? | 14:26 |
| mcfrisk | soo, GUI said system update download done, then asked to install, then rebooted, but settings shows old 1.0.1.12 version details. Guessing VR networking failed but also bunch of jolla update scripts/stuff is missing error handling... | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | nah, we don't let that slip out | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: journald logs welcome | 14:27 |
| Andy80 | p.s: 37% now... so slow... | 14:28 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: ok, newbie q, what was the systemd command for "give me all your logs, now!" :) | 14:28 |
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| * ggabriel testing if resetting the device works :D | 14:29 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | see? i didn't edit the post, i commented: https://together.jolla.com/question/4715/disable-the-unlockpower-button/ | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | uhm... unsure whether the jolla has crashed, is resetting, or just shut down and is waiting for me to switch back on | 14:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | safest bet is to wait an additional 5 minutes | 14:30 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: journalctl -n 5000 but we run with volatile logs in /etc/systemd/journald.conf | 14:31 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: ok, so I lost the logs of the failed attempts. What's a recommended beta testers journald setup? I have tens of gigs free on sdcard. | 14:33 |
| Milo- | does anyone know the i2c identifier for light sensor? (or alternatively path to it in /sys) | 14:34 |
| Milo- | related to this: https://together.jolla.com/question/4302/auto-brightness-light-sensor-not-working/ | 14:35 |
| mcfrisk | meanwhile I'll try again and capturing journalctl -af to pc via ssh. | 14:37 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: btw: nice edit of the update changelog on together | 14:39 |
| * AL13N_lizzy gives thumbs up | 14:39 | |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: it's still at 62% and I need to go out right now... I will continue it later. Is there any other command I need to execute after that one (pkcon refresh) ? | 14:39 |
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| Kabouik | https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot/tree/master/RPMS Anyone successfully installée the 0.1-3 from there? I get "Fatal error: /home/nemo/Downloads/harbour-hotspot-0.1-3.armv7hl.rpm is not valid rpm-File" | 14:42 |
| Kabouik | installed* not installée | 14:42 |
| Andy80 | doh!!!! | 14:44 |
| Andy80 | Fatal error: Timeout exceeded when accessing 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml'. | 14:44 |
| Andy80 | after having waited for 20 minutes :( | 14:44 |
| Andy80 | sigh... | 14:44 |
| Andy80 | ok, I will continue it later | 14:44 |
| Andy80 | must run now, thanks anyway :) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: are you on a really crap network by chance? | 14:45 |
| Kabouik | Morpog_, I see that you're involved in harbour-hotspot. Does the 0.1-3 work for you? | 14:45 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: nope.... 7 MBit/512 | 14:45 |
| Kabouik | (I've no tried earlier versions) | 14:45 |
| Andy80 | it's fast for everything else | 14:45 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: jolla update on VR wlan failed, said download done, asked to install, rebooted, but old version details there. journalctl -af logs at http://mcfrisk.kapsi.fi/temp/jolla_system_update_at_vr_wlan_log.txt | 14:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nice, i have 2^9 karma! | 14:45 |
| Andy80 | talk to you later guys | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: ok, journalctl -n 5000 > log.txt ;) | 14:46 |
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| Yaniel | 1st TJC post \o/ | 14:48 |
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| * mcfrisk switches jolla systemd journal to persistent | 14:51 | |
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| AL13N_lizzy | https://together.jolla.com/question/4815/networking-issue/ | 14:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mcfrisk: oh, it isn't persistent? can you make a together Q&A for it? | 14:53 |
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| Kabouik | Is it known that the Google accounts get disconnected very often? I don't know if it's related to roaming, I've yet to find out how to reproduce it, but it happens every day for all my 3 accounts. | 14:54 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/4816/bugfeature-request-add-task-manager-ui/ | 14:56 |
| mcfrisk | AL13N_lizzy: I don't know much about systemd and journal, just did /volatile/persistent/ to /etc/systemd/journald.conf and rebooted (since didn't know if systemd autoloads config file changes or which command line magic reloads config). But I'll just post a generic debug logging question. | 14:56 |
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| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/744/other-half-with-microsd-breakout-slot/ | 14:59 |
| Yaniel | hmm there is a character limit on comment length but it does not have any effect O.o | 15:00 |
| Morpog_ | Kabouik, I only did the icon :) | 15:03 |
| Morpog_ | I'm on 0.1.2 still | 15:03 |
| Kabouik | You should surely try 0.1-3 :P | 15:04 |
| Kabouik | I've added a comment on TJC just in case, we'll see if it's an isolated issue or really the 0.1-3 itself | 15:05 |
| Kabouik | Oh I got a badge on TJC. What are badges, how do we obtain them? | 15:05 |
| Morpog_ | Kabouik, installation worked fine here for 0.1-3 | 15:07 |
| Kabouik | Hum | 15:07 |
| tango_ | Kabouik: it tells you when you click on the notification for the badge | 15:07 |
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| Morpog_ | did you use pkcon install-local Kabouik ? | 15:07 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 15:07 |
| Morpog_ | should work | 15:07 |
| Kabouik | I should try installing 0.1-2 first perhaps | 15:07 |
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| Kabouik | Same with 0.1-2, hmmm. | 15:10 |
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| Kabouik | 0.1-3 is 25 500 bytes for me, same for you? I redownloaded it to make sure the file was not corrupted, but never know | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/4851/what-hardwaredevices-would-you-like-to-see-sailfishos-on/ - karma whoring | 15:13 |
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| Kabouik | Haha, you're karma counter is gonna burst Stskeeps. Do a post about "What OH would you like to see on the Jolla?" too. :P | 15:15 |
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| Kabouik | your* | 15:15 |
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| Pnuu | retag! | 15:17 |
| Morpog_ | and answered stskeeps :D | 15:18 |
| Morpog_ | Kabouik, my file is bigger, there seems to be some corruption on your side | 15:19 |
| Kabouik | Hum. Perhaps I just download it the wrong way. Always have trouble understanding how to download from github. Just right clicked/download as... ? | 15:19 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Kabouik: are you sure yoy did not download html file | 15:20 |
| Kabouik | It has a .rpm extension | 15:21 |
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| Pnuu | Kabouik: what does "file foo.rpm" say? | 15:21 |
| Pnuu | hmm, is there `file`available, by the way :-P | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:21 |
| Kabouik | harbour-hotspot-0.1-3.armv7hl.rpm: HTML document, UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines | 15:22 |
| Morpog_ | Kabouik, I just downloaded it with sailfish browser | 15:22 |
| Kabouik | D: | 15:22 |
| Kabouik | Don't understand why it gave me that rpm extension | 15:22 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: thar's your problem :-) | 15:22 |
| Kabouik | So, how do we download from github? Dumb question :< | 15:22 |
| Kabouik | https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot/tree/master/RPMS i'm here | 15:22 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: click the rpm you want | 15:23 |
| ln- | Kabouik: if you click the link, you get another page and not an rpm, so it doesn't magically turn into an rpm if you select "save as..." | 15:23 |
| Pnuu | then, on the next page, click View RAW -link | 15:23 |
| Kabouik | :O | 15:24 |
| Kabouik | Thanks, I got confused by the .rpm I got automatically when right clicking | 15:24 |
| FireFly | Kabouik: ever used stackoverflow? it's basically the same thing | 15:25 |
| Kabouik | Just for reading FireFly | 15:25 |
| Kabouik | Thanks all! | 15:25 |
| FireFly | badges are just meaningless achievements/things :p | 15:25 |
| FireFly | just like karma on reddit | 15:25 |
| Kabouik | I hate achievements so much. :o | 15:25 |
| FireFly | Haha | 15:25 |
| Kabouik | At least in games, in forums/boards, it's ok, you can just ignore them | 15:25 |
| Kabouik | In games, people tend to get crazy about them and forget why there were playing in first place :p | 15:26 |
| Kabouik | Got to go, see you later all | 15:26 |
| FireFly | I kinda like achievements, I think it's a nice idea when used to award people for tricky things | 15:27 |
| FireFly | or hidden easter eggs | 15:27 |
| FireFly | of course, with the internet and all hidden easter eggs are seldom very hidden anymore | 15:27 |
| FireFly | ayway, bye | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/4863/we-need-a-good-file-manager/ not sure if considered a duplicate of something | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | possibly https://together.jolla.com/question/1169/update-filemanager-copy-paste-delete/ | 15:31 |
| Morpog_ | we have a good file manager - cargo dock is excellent | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | clarified: https://together.jolla.com/question/4863/we-need-a-good-file-manager-in-app-store/ | 15:32 |
| FireFly | Cargo dock? | 15:33 |
| Morpog_ | damn Yaniel you updated just before I sent my answer, lol | 15:33 |
| Morpog_ | FireFly, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92140&highlight=cargo+dock | 15:34 |
| FireFly | Hm | 15:34 |
| FireFly | Seems interesting | 15:34 |
| Morpog_ | it's like norton commander :) | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | the 'right answer' button is far too clickable. | 15:35 |
| FireFly | I find it weird that together shows buttons for things you can't do | 15:36 |
| FireFly | like editing and deleting others' comments, or accepting answers for other peoples' questions | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/4904/what-features-would-you-like-to-see-in-the-future-for-recovery-menu/ | 15:46 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: upvoted + answered :) | 15:57 |
| Tofe | for the language codes, are we limited to 2 chars ? | 15:58 |
| Tofe | (for the maliit keyboard layout) | 15:58 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: is it possible that using "version --dup" has caused some problem to packages? | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: entirely possible, you should really only use store to do any updates | 16:00 |
| * ggabriel starting anew with his jolla :D | 16:02 | |
| Venemo | ggabriel: what're you doin? | 16:02 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: in that case, how could I reset it completly? | 16:02 |
| * Andy80 wish there were Jolla images available to reflash the device... | 16:02 | |
| macmaN | the only file manager you ever need - https://github.com/hut/ranger | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i did pkcon update, and that may be bad apparently | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | so i'm starting again | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | remember i said yesterday i was ready to reset if necessary :) | 16:03 |
| Pnuu | macmaN: there's already terminal ;-) | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: i made a full backup :P | 16:03 |
| Andy80 | I don't mind to "format" it if necessary... I'm not using it yet as primary device | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: settings->system->reset device | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | and back up first | 16:04 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: I don't have any data on it, really... everything is there I can syn it again once I add the accounts | 16:04 |
| ggabriel | uhm... can't connect to hidden wlan argh | 16:04 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, enabled journald logging and system update succeeded. | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: ouch | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | :) | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | what do you know, i'll need my sim card in the end | 16:06 |
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| mcfrisk | had android skype running while updating and got a persistent notification on home screen | 16:07 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: factory reset done.... it automatically restart or I have to turn it on? | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: you should turn it on :) | 16:08 |
| mcfrisk | ah, bad pixels with black background only it seems | 16:08 |
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| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: jolla update done with VR railway wlan, took from Tikkurila to Seinäjoki and three retries but done :) | 16:13 |
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| Milo- | mcfrisk that does sound slow :P | 16:14 |
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| raa70 | yet still more reliable than the actual trains | 16:25 |
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| merlin1991 | heh, my jolla is trolling me | 16:26 |
| cvp | hello | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | merlin1991: oh? | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | lo cvp | 16:26 |
| merlin1991 | I just tried to update to 1.0.2.5, the download took forever, then I did the install pull down, but after the reboot I have again a notification about the update and settings about product shows me 1.0.1.12 as current version | 16:27 |
| cvp | use anyonea own xmpp server ? | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | cvp: yep, and it worked just fine for me | 16:28 |
| cvp | you use openfire server ? | 16:28 |
| merlin1991 | ejabberd | 16:28 |
| mcfrisk | merlin1991: update did the same for me but in a crappy network | 16:28 |
| mcfrisk | merlin1991: fix was to 'try again' | 16:29 |
| cvp | and how you see the room ? | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | I only use xmpp for 1to1 chats | 16:29 |
| tango_ | merlin1991: run the upgrade again. a few people have reported the need to do the upgrade twice, esp. if dev mode is enable | 16:30 |
| tango_ | d | 16:30 |
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| cvp | is ejabberd better than openfire ? | 16:30 |
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| merlin1991 | hm seems to work better now, this time around the progressbar for the installation actually grows | 16:31 |
| merlin1991 | on the first run it stayed at "0%" all the time untill a reboot came | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | i wonder if anybody actually tried this without dev mode :P | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | this=upgrade | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | mine is as smooth as full fat butter after a factory reset | 16:33 |
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| edgars | beeep | 16:34 |
| Quu | stupid google account went missing again | 16:34 |
| Quu | fml | 16:34 |
| Quu | 8th time for today | 16:34 |
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| edgars | Quu: with android it's not missing 8th times per day ;) | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | okay time to try if exchange works now :) | 16:36 |
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| ottulo | yay, update finally went through | 16:37 |
| ottulo | managed to dl it today at some point, but something went wrong in the installation and I was still stuck with the old version | 16:37 |
| ottulo | also, typo in the new name :/ | 16:37 |
| Quu | nope | 16:38 |
| Venemo | no typo | 16:38 |
| Quu | who said its in finnish? :p | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | "error while checking the server certificate" | 16:38 |
| merlin1991 | ffs I know it's self signed where is my trust the dammned thing button? | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | ah there actually is one that shows up only on error when you go back one step to edit the settings | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | silly UI design | 16:39 |
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| Venemo | merlin1991: open a thread about it on together | 16:40 |
| ottulo | Quu: in which language is it "jävri"? | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | Venemo: nah I prefer to rage on irc and the quickly forget about it ;) | 16:41 |
| cvp | merlin1991 you think that ejabberd better is than openfire ? | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | sadly the disable provisioning button is disabled :/ | 16:41 |
| walokra | ottulo: same | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | cvp: no idea, it was just conveniently available in the debian packages when I set up my own server | 16:41 |
| ln- | apparently there is a typo, it should be "Maadâjävri" | 16:42 |
| cvp | merlin1991 ok, and is it easy to open a channel room and add contacts in it? ... hope you dont use a extra xmpp android app... | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | cvp like I said earlier, I'm not using xmpp group chats | 16:43 |
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| cvp | aaahhh ok i dont have read this :D | 16:44 |
| ottulo | walokra: right, sadly my sami teacher had to end the course I was taking after the first week :/ | 16:44 |
| Andy80 | finally at home, let's see if I can recover my Jolla | 16:45 |
| Venemo | Andy80: what's wrong with it? | 16:47 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: I had to factory reset after too many wrong pkcon commands... | 16:47 |
| Venemo | Andy80: eh | 16:48 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo: luckly I was not using it as primary device, so I could reset it without any problem | 16:49 |
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| merlin1991 | heh now that exchange works, I just need a metawatch application :) | 16:49 |
| Venemo | Andy80: what're you using as primary device? | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: Lumia 920 | 16:51 |
| Venemo | Andy80: aw | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | sigh, i love this silly devices | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | device even | 16:52 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: what's up? :) | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | nothing, i'm reconfiguring it, and it's all so quick and fluid | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | i could reconfigure it easily 10 times more, no problem | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | i honestly don't get the folks that say that the ui is broken | 16:53 |
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| Andy80 | oh my... I hope I'm not stuck again in an install loop :/ | 16:54 |
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| Andy80 | the wizard asked me which apps I wanted to install and none is being installed... | 16:54 |
| Andy80 | just got the first error "problem installing from the store..." | 16:55 |
| Quu | http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/the-wizard-will-now-install-your-software.jpg | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: be patient | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | they'll install after you upgrade | 16:55 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: it's not about the time... it's about the fact they give a "problem installing from the store" error... | 16:55 |
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| ggabriel | Andy80: i got the same for mail, clock and something else | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | they install after you are on the latest sailfish | 16:56 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: ah... so I should stop the app upgrades and check for the firmware first? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 16:56 |
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| Andy80 | ok, cook.. how do I stop the store in a safe way :) ? | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | (although app upgrades didn't hurt me, but i stayed with the essentials) | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: just wait | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | it'll fail | 16:57 |
| Andy80 | ok | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | unless Stskeeps has a better option ;) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | panic. | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | plant a tree, write a book, have a panic attack | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | def the 3 things to do in life | 16:58 |
| Andy80 | best option in these situation is to run around the house/office, screaming "THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEEEEEAR!!!" :D | 16:58 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it didn't ask me what to install, when I first turned it on | 16:58 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: I did the first one :) you should see what a big tree is now! :) | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: did you have access to the internet/set up your jolla account when you first turned it on? | 16:59 |
| Andy80 | p.s: I still have the 1.0.0.5 at the moment | 16:59 |
| Venemo | no, neither | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: that's why :) | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | it offers you the essentials | 17:00 |
| Venemo | it wasn't able to connect to my mobile data | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | which i think is quite cool | 17:00 |
| Venemo | IMO the essentials should've been preinstalled | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | not really | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | i don't want android | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | not yet at least | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | i'm grateful for that | 17:00 |
| ggabriel | same with exchange | 17:00 |
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| Venemo | does it hurt you in any way if they are there? | 17:01 |
| Venemo | it did hurt me more that they weren't :P | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yes, indeed | 17:02 |
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| ggabriel | don't want the alien thing running as a service | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | nor any other thing that i won't use | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | i could uninstall it, but i'm happier that they weren't there | 17:02 |
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| Venemo | ok, I agree about android | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | mind you, you may be right | 17:02 |
| Venemo | however I don't see why anyone wouldn't want a calendar on the phone | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | and for the normal user having more applications installed would be better | 17:02 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i think it was mentioned before | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | i believe that most people agree with your view | 17:03 |
| Venemo | I agree with you about android + MfE + ... but I think clock, calendar and such should've been preinstalled | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | uhm... i may have found 2 bugs in the mail application | 17:03 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: so you suggest reducing the set in the essential pack :) | 17:04 |
| spider-mario | only 2? | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | s/2/2 more/ | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | s/more/new/ | 17:04 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: put them to together | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i'm confirming that they are bugs and not pebcak and i'll add them | 17:05 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: see this first: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:votes-desc/tags:bug,email/page:1/ | 17:05 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: please vote my idea then :) | 17:05 |
| Venemo | maybe someone reported them already | 17:05 |
| Venemo | Andy80: link pls | 17:05 |
| Venemo | Andy80: what's the idea? | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | yeah, of course i'll have a look before | 17:06 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: https://together.jolla.com/question/352/jolla-applications-should-be-preinstalled-with-a-new-device/ | 17:06 |
| Venemo | Andy80: you have more karma than me! | 17:08 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: I'm 6th in karma :) | 17:08 |
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| Venemo | and you have fewer questions and answers than me | 17:09 |
| Venemo | meh! | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | this is not a race | 17:09 |
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| ggabriel | or is it | 17:09 |
| tumpelo | wondering about the power consumption hint on tjc: https://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/ | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | you'll get a black toh if you are within the first 20 in karma | 17:10 |
| Venemo | Andy80: you should at least vote for some of my stuff too: https://together.jolla.com/users/300/venemo/ | 17:10 |
| Milo- | ggabriel ooh! | 17:10 |
| Pnuu | tumpelo: it works :-) | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | tumpelo: what's to wonder? | 17:10 |
| Milo- | ggabriel so are you saying, that I should start spamming like hell, in order to get black toh? | 17:10 |
| tumpelo | there is absolutely no danger in liberally applying tin foil around the other half? | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: i'm blatantly trolling | 17:10 |
| Pnuu | tumpelo: and the recent update installed without problems (atleast, no complications because of that) | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | also, if you spam, you could get negative karma | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | i already had to grant some of that, sadly | 17:10 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: let me give a look | 17:11 |
| Pnuu | tumpelo: I went the software-way, easier to do :-P | 17:11 |
| Venemo | I've found a lot of annoying bugs | 17:11 |
| Milo- | ggabriel down-voting bad answers also seems to give bad karma | 17:11 |
| Venemo | yes | 17:11 |
| tumpelo | I took the SW approach too | 17:11 |
| Pnuu | tumpelo: but you should be safe, just don't short anything with the foil | 17:11 |
| Milo- | I don't know why I hilighted you. sorry. | 17:11 |
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| ggabriel | Milo-: that's why i don't care about the karma. if the question/answer is bad, i'll downvote it | 17:11 |
| tumpelo | Pnuu: exactly! | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: that's ok, i like the fluorescent in my irc chat :) | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | erm, speaking of thod.service | 17:12 |
| tumpelo | Pnuu: I would consider the tin-foil solution very much more dangerous than the SW solution | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | i'll shut that motherf***er down now | 17:12 |
| Milo- | speaking of fluorescent. irssi needs a jolla notification plugin. | 17:12 |
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| Venemo | I'm working on a native IRC app | 17:12 |
| Pnuu | tumpelo: yeah, guess so too | 17:12 |
| Venemo | just wait for it! :) | 17:12 |
| Milo- | Venemo totally not something that I want. | 17:13 |
| Venemo | Milo-: hm? | 17:13 |
| Milo- | because ssh:ing to the same irc client from number of devices sounds a bit better than opening irc-client on each device separately. | 17:13 |
| Andy80 | damn... | 17:13 |
| Pnuu | screen + irssi <3 | 17:13 |
| ggabriel | tumpelo: fwiw, i'll definitely restart it [the tohd.service] the next time i need to upgrade, just in case | 17:13 |
| Milo- | Pnuu gets an upvote | 17:13 |
| Andy80 | it takes ages to fail each app :/ | 17:13 |
| Venemo | using a console for chatting sounds a lot worse than opening an irc client on each device separately | 17:13 |
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| Milo- | console is the best invention of all times. | 17:14 |
| Venemo | sure but I wouldn't use it for chatting on a 4" screen | 17:14 |
| Milo- | I did it with my old e71. which had a tiny 2-3" screen. | 17:14 |
| Milo- | it was a 2.36" | 17:15 |
| tumpelo | Pnuu: and yet, tjc advices using tin foil as a safer solution.. | 17:15 |
| Quu | tumpelo: random people advices. | 17:15 |
| Milo- | tumpelo wrapping tin-foil inside plastic-bag is totally safe. | 17:15 |
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| Quu | because they fear bricking their device by disabling modules. | 17:16 |
| FireFly | the terminal is nice, but it'd be nicer if it didn't have to be backwards-compatible with the '70s with every change it makes | 17:16 |
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| Andy80 | uff... maybe it takes less if I reset the device again and I reconfigure all :( | 17:16 |
| Andy80 | selecting NO apps from the wizard | 17:16 |
| tumpelo | maybe they have an ample supply of tin foil around their heads? :-) | 17:16 |
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| Coder|jolla | firefly, the terminal is backwards compatible with the 70's? o.O | 17:17 |
| Pnuu | Andy80: could the "don't update email before upgrading" is causing that? Stskeeps? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | potentially | 17:18 |
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| mcfrisk | uh, jolla with 64 gig sdcard has more disk space overall than my stinkpad with only 64gig ssd. Times are changing.. | 17:18 |
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| ggabriel | mcfrisk: that's because you didn't try that 256GB micro sd | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | mcfrisk: it only costs more than the jolla itself | 17:19 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: my bad is that I didn't know I had to upgrade the release first THEN the apps. So I selected ALL the apps from the initial list -.- now they must fail one by one... | 17:19 |
| mcfrisk | ggabriel: :) | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I have been feeling crappy the last several days. On the other hand, this has lead to a couple of days discharge data with TOH removed, and wifi on, running a battery logger script. It gets marginally over 10 days, idle. (with no SIM) | 17:20 |
| Coder|jolla | I'd like 256gb micro sd... | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (not with the recent update) | 17:20 |
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| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: whoa | 17:20 |
| FireFly | Coder|jolla: well, for instance alt+a is encoded as <Esc>a or a with its highest bit set, and ctrl+j and the enter key produce the same input to the running program, because of how things were wired in old terminals | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Coder|jolla: I can make you a 256GB microSD for the jolla. | 17:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Coder|jolla: It will require a slight bulge in TOH | 17:21 |
| FireFly | Coder|jolla: and for reasons like these it's not possible to represent tricky stuff like ctrl+shift+a in a terminal in a commonly-agreed-upon way | 17:22 |
| Coder|jolla | firefly, ah, okay | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I am also assuming for the purposes of argument that http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-Lexar-256GB-Professional-600X-SDXC-UHS-I-SD-Memory-Card-90MB-s-SDHC-HD-/281086657019?pt=AU_Electronics_Memory_Cards&hash=item41721201fb is real | 17:22 |
| Coder|jolla | what was that fix for OH-daemon battery drainage? | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Coder|jolla: I warmed up the sticker a bit, and peeled it off and stuck it elsewehre on TOH | 17:23 |
| FireFly | tinfoil or disabling thod | 17:23 |
| FireFly | tohd* | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | There is certainly a better way | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But see above. | 17:23 |
| Coder|jolla | oki | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: saw that in amazon | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | and lexar are meant to be good | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | i should have said lexar _is_ | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 17:24 |
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| * SpeedEvil imagines a brown-skinned native skinning up a tree, and hacking down bunches of 256GB SD cards from the forest canopy. | 17:25 | |
| Raim | how do I get log messages from connman? I am trying to get a WPA2 EAP configuration working, but only a "Problem with connection" isn't that helpful... | 17:27 |
| mcfrisk | together knows me in different chromium private browsing windows, no where to escape jolla tracking. I guess some evil https connection sharing or browser finger printing, or something. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | mcfrisk: IP tracking? | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: did recent update chnge power consumption? | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I have not as of yet done the update | 17:28 |
| Pnuu | mcfrisk: or maybe it's google ;-) | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but - 10 days 'idle' is pretty adequate for me. | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 17:29 |
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| ShadowJK | charge_now seems more sane after update | 17:30 |
| mcfrisk | SpeedEvil, Pnuu: IP could be it, but I'm in public train wlan. Maybe only user to together though. Google could explain it but I'm not logging in to it. | 17:30 |
| tango_ | are you logged in to jolla? | 17:31 |
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| parasemic | could the update have removed icoderuses repo from my zypper? | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I was ignoring that, and looking at change in current_energy or whatever that is | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It seems that sleep 10 takes on average about an hour. :) | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | i found workaround for that | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect it may be piggybacking on twitter or something else | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | but once an hour is fine for longterm logging | 17:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh? | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | echo asdf > /sys/power/wake_lock | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | same to wake_unlock to undo | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | handy | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | consumption is pretty good even like that | 17:35 |
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| ShadowJK | the current_now meter seems extremely fast | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I have not been following android closely. | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Is ART irrelevant for the moment? | 17:36 |
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| tango_ | art? | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ART is a beta java compiler or something. | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | optional/experimental in 4.4 i think | 17:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-Lexar-256GB-Professional-600X-SDXC-UHS-I-SD-Memory-Card-90MB-s-SDHC-HD-/281086657019?pt=AU_Electronics_Memory_Cards&hash=item41721201fb | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | charge/energy meter feels a bit symthetic. could be a voltage+impedancetrack type thing | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | likely | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | not actual simple integration | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not monotonic | 17:40 |
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| parasemic | seems like the update wiped zypper repos | 17:46 |
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| pdanek | Is it normal that side buttons on my Jolla are loose? | 17:48 |
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| tumpelo | pdanek: mine are too | 17:48 |
| Quu | pdanek: yes it is | 17:49 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/1342/bug-media-player-in-album-artist-overview/ | 17:49 |
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| tango_ | SpeedEvil: oh the one that precompiles instead of hit? | 17:52 |
| tango_ | jit | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:53 |
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| Raim | ah, well, just for the log, I found /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log and got my problem solved. | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:57 |
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| * merlin1991 currently moves all stuff from N9 -> jolla | 18:05 | |
| merlin1991 | quite an adventure :D | 18:05 |
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| fk_lx | merlin1991: why to move just carry two phones :-) | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | I'm a small guy it's alredy hard to fit the jolla alone into my pokets :D | 18:12 |
| fk_lx | merlin1991: I was carrying N9 and N900 for long time, now I'm carrying Jolla and N9 | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | there was a guy carrying jolla with n900 as ssh client to jolla | 18:15 |
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| fk_lx | merlin1991: N9 has excellent offline navigation, that is really important for me when travelling by car abroad | 18:16 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I've used it quite often | 18:16 |
| tango_ | hm I can't seem to add a second wireless connection | 18:16 |
| merlin1991 | don't plan on leaving the country in the near future though | 18:16 |
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| ggabriel | right, first drop test (0.5m onto a fake wood floor): no scratches, phone survived, landed on a corner and bounced | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Would anyone be interested in a N4 class bumper? | 18:18 |
| parasemic | ggabriel: ive done 2. both 0.5m to wood floor, landed on the screen and on the backside. no damages | 18:20 |
| tango_ | ah, interesting, I managed on the next try | 18:22 |
| tango_ | however, curiously, selecting a new WLAN doesn't disable the previously selected one | 18:22 |
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| tumpelo | fk_lx: Nokia Here is really lacking in this respect | 18:24 |
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| FireFly | The built-in maps is lacking in pretty much every respect :P | 18:29 |
| thessy | I have tested android OsmAnd~ from f-droid with osm maps | 18:30 |
| thessy | offline maps, offline navigation | 18:30 |
| thessy | only voice navigation does not run till now | 18:32 |
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| ggabriel | parasemic: cool. sadly, the screen is the most likely hit point, unless you get a heavier toh keyboard :D | 18:38 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: after 1 hour apps haven't failed yet.... isn't better if I reset the device again? | 18:40 |
| Andy80 | unless there is a faster way to stop apps installing | 18:40 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: did you try rebooting it? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: hmm | 18:41 |
| Quu | bah, google account died again | 18:41 |
| Andy80 | I try now | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: 1.0.0.5 factory image, right | 18:41 |
| Skorpy | Quu: I have that too. It's really annoying. :/ | 18:41 |
| Quu | Skorpy: the shitty part of it, only reconnects while im on wlan | 18:41 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yes | 18:42 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: just rebooted the device. Now I won't install any app, let me see if I can install the fw update | 18:42 |
| tumpelo | thessy: in which country you tried it? | 18:44 |
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| Andy80 | still checking... | 18:46 |
| Andy80 | uhm... | 18:46 |
| Andy80 | it says "up to date" | 18:46 |
| Andy80 | :/ | 18:46 |
| tango_ | would be nice to have a native osm app | 18:47 |
| Andy80 | it's 1.0.0.5, it can't be updated | 18:47 |
| thessy | germany | 18:47 |
| thessy | map is quite good and has often more details than google maps | 18:48 |
| tumpelo | thessy: routing advice is sane? | 18:48 |
| tumpelo | thessy: bad experience with Navfree | 18:48 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: and if you check again? | 18:48 |
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| thessy | you have always to think on driving ;-) | 18:49 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: I'm checking again | 18:49 |
| thessy | each map has faults, so also osm | 18:49 |
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| thessy | but you can correct it instantly at home ;-) | 18:49 |
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| tumpelo | thessy: I have to give it a try, although I would prefer a native Sailfish application | 18:54 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: again "up to date" this is annoying :/ | 18:54 |
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| ggabriel | Andy80: out of my depth here, i suspect ssu lr will provide a hint, but i'll let Stskeeps comment | 18:55 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: 1M $$$ question: why don't you release complete images+flasher :) ? | 18:55 |
| thessy | tumpelo: yes, native is better. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: i've answered that somewhere | 18:55 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: that's been answered here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 | 18:55 |
| Morpog_ | Andy80, probably Qualcomm doesn't let them | 18:55 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 18:55 |
| thessy | tumpelo: there is some work going on. look for modrana on http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works | 18:56 |
| ggabriel | you gotta love them | 18:56 |
| merlin1991 | wtf I've got the wrong provider in the mobile network network settings page | 18:57 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: better if I don't keep reading :/ | 18:58 |
| parasemic | guys. vote this up NOW! https://together.jolla.com/question/3344/updated-my-crazy-idea-for-many-smart-cover-actions/ | 18:59 |
| parasemic | this is brilliant | 18:59 |
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| mfulz | does someone has the issue to not being able to update email and clock? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: is the time set correctly? | 19:00 |
| mfulz | yes | 19:00 |
| mfulz | ah sorry you didn't meant me :) | 19:00 |
| ggabriel | mfulz: update the applications? | 19:01 |
| mfulz | yes | 19:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyone know if the touch area is tunable? https://together.jolla.com/question/5097/bug-touch-detection-accuracy/ | 19:01 |
| mfulz | always getting an error | 19:01 |
| ggabriel | did you upgrade to the latest sailfish os? | 19:01 |
| mfulz | 1.0.1.12 | 19:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, not the newest update yet | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | mfulz: you need The url | 19:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 1.0.2.5 is now the latest | 19:02 |
| mfulz | ah ok | 19:02 |
| ggabriel | mfulz: yeap, upgrade and then update the applications | 19:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: WDYM? | 19:02 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: doesn't your idea require you to use the device with both hands? | 19:03 |
| mfulz | is there anywhere a changelog? | 19:03 |
| ggabriel | mfulz: in together.jolla.com, search for release and/or update | 19:03 |
| Pnuu | mfulz: try this first: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 19:03 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yes, quite precise | 19:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: ah | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: timezone too? | 19:04 |
| mfulz | nice | 19:04 |
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| felon | can i ask any question about a app or a cellphone or, is it stricky jolla discussion | 19:05 |
| Pnuu | mfulz: and changelog: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025-edit-28122013/ | 19:05 |
| tumpelo | anybody know of a sports tracking app with working HRM support for Polar WearLink+? | 19:06 |
| mfulz | yep found it thanks | 19:06 |
| Venemo | felon: you can ask whatever you like :) | 19:06 |
| felon | :) | 19:06 |
| tumpelo | Android version of Sports Tracker that I used in E72 crashes while searching for the HRM | 19:07 |
| CoderCandy | is there a way to turn off the "loud music" warning? | 19:07 |
| felon | I was wondering if anyone has experience intercepting texts online, or on your phone without installing software on the target phone or could someone point me in the right direction | 19:08 |
| Venemo | CoderCandy: it never came back after I dismissed it two times | 19:08 |
| junnuvi | Wtf, my Jolla is again offering 1.0.2.5 update | 19:08 |
| ggabriel | felon: if you mean SMS's, well, yeah, if you crack A52 (or however it was called) encryption | 19:09 |
| ggabriel | refer to 2010 (or thereabouts) ccc | 19:10 |
| ggabriel | couple of thousand in equipment and some computing power to brute force the encryption and that's it | 19:10 |
| tumpelo | there seem to be two Maadajävri's in Finland: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Maadaj%C3%A4vri?setskin=meiko&setlang=en | 19:11 |
| tumpelo | which one is the latest update referring to? | 19:12 |
| tumpelo | :-) | 19:12 |
| junnuvi | I think there is three as I just installed update ones again :) | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | junnuvi: check if you get the right one, in about | 19:14 |
| parasemic | ggabriel: no? | 19:14 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: i'm trying it and it isn't something i'd do while on the train to be honest | 19:15 |
| ggabriel | simple right/left gestures yeah | 19:15 |
| artemma | A-and a Flashlight app with a real proper and stable torch behavior is ready! Special thanks to MSameer http://bit.ly/flashlight18 | 19:15 |
| ggabriel | but going right and then up and down is a bit tricky | 19:15 |
| ln- | tumpelo: and both of them are actually spelled Maadâjävri | 19:15 |
| artemma | not in app store yet as harbour still processes the previous version | 19:15 |
| parasemic | ggabriel what do you mean? | 19:15 |
| junnuvi | Stskeeps: there has been 1.0.2.5 since yesterday's second update.. | 19:15 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: you suggest that you get 8 cover actions as opposed to 2 | 19:16 |
| ggabriel | and to access them you go right, left, right+up, right+down, etc., correct? | 19:16 |
| parasemic | the original post isnt even my idea, my idea is in the comments but the overal idea is excellent | 19:16 |
| artemma | Finland got 100 000 lakes, we have Whateverjärvi :) | 19:16 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: ok, i have to read all of it then, i may not be getting it | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | that title would need replacing.. | 19:17 |
| parasemic | my idea is, that we keep the original cover actions and replace the "long press to close" with giving more actions | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: that sound useable | 19:18 |
| parasemic | with, right side one is the same as right side in cover action, left too, and closing the app on bottom or something | 19:18 |
| parasemic | and the haptics, pls god the haptics so it would be totally awesome | 19:18 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: and I'd put that to a new question | 19:18 |
| parasemic | pnuu: id do it, but it would feel like stealing Gukkes idea.. :( | 19:18 |
| * artemma really hopes there is some strong UI lead in Jolla who makes sure only compatible and fitting to concept roadmap ideas are passed through | 19:18 | |
| Pnuu | parasemic: well, he's from sweden, so don't worry ;-D | 19:19 |
| parasemic | :DDD but no | 19:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | artemma: well, so far i haven't been disappointed | 19:19 |
| tumpelo | ln-: where did you get the correct spelling? | 19:20 |
| thessy | artemma: flashlight installed. thanks! | 19:20 |
| thessy | and is working ;-) | 19:20 |
| artemma | thessy: cool! Thanks for trying | 19:21 |
| parasemic | also, i hope im not inte minority as i really like the fact battery level etc are hidden. makes the UI so sexy and elegant. i love the fact the lockscreen is about the picture (im one of those people who have 0 shortcuts on their desktop) | 19:21 |
| parasemic | in the* | 19:21 |
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| ggabriel | anybody here installed sudo? | 19:23 |
| Pnuu | no, there's already devel-su :-) | 19:24 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: can devel-su do devel-su command? and does it have a sudoers file? | 19:24 |
| anonfriese | humm, since the tinfoil-hack my jolla got 75% after a day of regular usage :) | 19:25 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: "devel-su <command>" works, but I don't think there's sudoers list | 19:25 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: thanks, i wanted something that could use a sudoers file | 19:25 |
| ggabriel | somebody mentioned that they installed sudo, but can't fin dit | 19:26 |
| tabasko_ | anyone else got their jolla-clock update stuck in depency problem | 19:27 |
| Plnt | anonfriese: ah.. tinfoil.. great idea. i didn't want to put the sticker off but didn't thought of that :) | 19:27 |
| tabasko_ | timed-qt5-tools seems to be missing when trying to update with zypper | 19:27 |
| anonfriese | wasn't that the first idea someone had? just fold it 3 or 4 times and stick it on the chip with some tesa | 19:28 |
| Pnuu | tabasko_: use the store for updating | 19:28 |
| Plnt | anonfriese: maybe. i read just about stopping the daemon or removing the sticker. | 19:28 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: timezone is Rome/Italy | 19:28 |
| tabasko_ | Pnuu: tried, but it was stuck there in first place | 19:28 |
| Andy80 | (and I'm in Italy) | 19:28 |
| Raim | artemma: thanks for the flashlight app! | 19:30 |
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| Pnuu | tabasko_: running 1.0.1.12? | 19:30 |
| tabasko_ | Pnuu: yes | 19:31 |
| artemma | Raim: you are welcome. Let's hope flashlight gets through harbour. So far the old version is in QA | 19:31 |
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| Pnuu | tabasko_: okay, have you tried this? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 19:32 |
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| tabasko_ | oh wow, there is new update. Tried to check that from system settings and nothing. Now its showing up in store "my apps" | 19:34 |
| mfulz | is it possible to use the sdcard under /sdcard for android apps as well? | 19:35 |
| ln- | tumpelo: http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/linkki?scale=8000&srs=EPSG%3A3067&y=7670062&x=560595&lang=fi | 19:35 |
| tabasko_ | does 1.0.2-10.12.5 fix that nfc power leeching bug? | 19:36 |
| Quu | no. | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | ok, you gotta run pkcon refresh after ssu lr mer-tools, then you get sudo | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | woohoo | 19:36 |
| fk_lx | tabasko_: nope, see changelog | 19:37 |
| fk_lx | btw. anyone also has problem with sound not working in Android apps after the upgrade to latest version of OS? | 19:37 |
| tumpelo | ln-: thanks | 19:38 |
| stephg | fk_lx: trying spotify now | 19:38 |
| stephg | fk_lx, nope, works, sorry | 19:38 |
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| arnbak | stephg: try cutespotify, native spotify client. | 19:40 |
| stephg | ooh | 19:40 |
| stephg | it's in the store? | 19:40 |
| arnbak | not yet | 19:40 |
| stephg | got a link? | 19:40 |
| arnbak | 2 sec. | 19:40 |
| arnbak | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91892&highlight=cute+spotify | 19:40 |
| stephg | ta | 19:40 |
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| Elleo | all the cool kids use cutespotify ;) | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | I'm trying with a reboot... | 19:44 |
| krig | anyone get aviary working? the saved images are corrupt for me... | 19:44 |
| Pnuu | I don't use spotify :-P | 19:44 |
| Andy80 | I don't know what else to do after this | 19:45 |
| Elleo | Pnuu: I guess that's an acceptable excuse ;) | 19:45 |
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| ggabriel | Andy80: i guess your last option is to factory reset again | 19:46 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: yes... | 19:48 |
| Andy80 | ok.. reset again | 19:50 |
| artemma | Submitted idea for not showing incompatible apps to the users in store. Go vote for it https://together.jolla.com/question/5190/app-store-should-show-only-app-versions-compatible-with-firmware-user-is-running/ | 19:51 |
| ggabriel | artemma: good idea | 19:52 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: thanks :-) | 19:54 |
| artemma | ggabriel: thanks, go vote :) | 19:55 |
| ggabriel | artemma: i thought that was implied ;-) | 19:55 |
| artemma | ggabriel: it was, but voting campaigns always ask for more hoping that others around notice :) | 19:56 |
| ggabriel | lol | 19:56 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: ok, this time I was able to skip apps installation. The only one it seems I can't skip is the Android runtime. Let's wait... | 19:56 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: wtf | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | ok, i guess the difference between you and me is that i had to skip the jolla account thingy | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | so it installed nothing | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | then i set it up, and it didn't force me | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | but i wouldn't have thought it forces you to install android | 19:57 |
| ggabriel | i think google took over your device ;-) | 19:57 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: it took ages before, but at least the Android runtime was installed. | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | you can tap the item to skip it | 19:58 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: the problem is if after this it doesn't find the fw upgrade again... | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: if that happens, i suggest you head for a beer | 19:58 |
| ggabriel | btw, i want you all to know that it's the first time i use set -o vi in a mobile device, and i'm very happy about it | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: that was the plan :) I just wasnted to be able to take the device with me and show to my friends :P | 19:59 |
| stephg | ggabriel ha | 19:59 |
| Andy80 | if I skip the Jolla account I still can upgrade the fw? | 20:00 |
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| ggabriel | Andy80: i wouldn't want any of my friends touching my precious jolla with their greesy androidy hands | 20:00 |
| ggabriel | Andy80: i doubt that, as the update requires access to the store | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | I just got the error... | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | it says something like "problem installing jolla-settings...." | 20:01 |
| Andy80 | and after that it starts installing Android support | 20:01 |
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| tango_ | Andy80: if you can ssh into the device, redo the upgrade/installation while keeping pkmon running in the ssh | 20:06 |
| tango_ | it will tell you what is going wrong | 20:06 |
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| Andy80 | tango_: previously Stskeep suggested me not to use pkcon... | 20:07 |
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| tango_ | Andy80: not pkcon, pkmon | 20:07 |
| tango_ | package-kit monitor | 20:07 |
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| tango_ | it just shows you what package-kit is doing behind the scenes | 20:08 |
| Andy80 | tango_: ah ok.. but I should enable developer mode for that I suppose.... | 20:08 |
| tango_ | ah, yes | 20:08 |
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| Andy80 | anyway... now if I go on About product and I try to check for updates it says "Checking for updates" already... | 20:09 |
| Andy80 | but I didn't start it | 20:09 |
| ggabriel | is there any love for mercurial in the mer/sailfish community? | 20:09 |
| stephg | well I'm fond of it but I don't really count :) | 20:10 |
| ggabriel | i guess i'll just stick it in there and see if it works | 20:10 |
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| tango_ | ggabriel: afaik they are more git guys | 20:11 |
| Andy80 | why it's stuck on checking for updates... | 20:11 |
| tango_ | ggabriel: why would they settle for an inferior product? ;-) | 20:11 |
| stephg | ggabriel it's fairly pythonic so I'm curious what you mean | 20:11 |
| ggabriel | tango_: i use mercurial already, and i don't find git any easier/more powerful, then again, it's jus tmy personal stuff | 20:12 |
| tango_ | stephg: step-hg or steph-g ? 8-D | 20:12 |
| * stephg lols | 20:12 | |
| tango_ | ggabriel: I used to use hg too | 20:12 |
| ggabriel | stephg: yeah, i am trusting it "just works" with the python that i installed | 20:12 |
| ggabriel | tango_: not sure why you say it's inferior then | 20:13 |
| ggabriel | but that's super off topic :) | 20:13 |
| * artemma noticed foursquare for sailfish in development. Cool! That's only Android app I don't install on Jolla (because it needs google services and I am hesitating to install that huge package) https://twitter.com/xmlich02/status/416879849186131968/photo/1 | 20:13 | |
| tango_ | ggabriel: mostly I was just trolling you | 20:13 |
| ggabriel | tango_: ok, troll taken ;) | 20:13 |
| * stephg runs around the room with that news from artemma | 20:13 | |
| tango_ | (but I do think git is better than hg, which is one of the reasons I switched) | 20:14 |
| * artemma is building Friends (FB/TW) client right now just to try it (little hope its FB part is cool already) | 20:14 | |
| tango_ | so I wanted to try my hands at sailfish os programming and I was wondering what I should start with | 20:15 |
| artemma | ggabriel: why do you ask? :) I mean git, mercurial, even svn - why would it matter anything? | 20:15 |
| tango_ | I essentially have to possibilities (i.e. things that interest me) | 20:15 |
| ggabriel | artemma: i use linux a lot, and have a lot of scripts maintained with mercurial | 20:15 |
| tango_ | one is a friendfeed clien | 20:15 |
| tango_ | one is a port of sgt-puzzles | 20:15 |
| ggabriel | i find mercurial's server model extremely easy and secure in comparison to git, don't want to change | 20:15 |
| tango_ | what's more secure than ssh? | 20:16 |
| ggabriel | tango_: not sure what the modern ways of server side in git are | 20:16 |
| ggabriel | when i evaluated, ssh was out of the question for xyz reason | 20:16 |
| ggabriel | and i use ssl+ident anyway, which is pretty much the smae | 20:16 |
| ggabriel | well, not the same really | 20:17 |
| ggabriel | but ok for the level of security i want | 20:17 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: fwiw, it needs building :( | 20:18 |
| artemma | Friends identifies itself to facebook as "Friends for N9" - cool! :) | 20:19 |
| tango_ | what is this friends thing? | 20:19 |
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| artemma | tango_: Facebook (and twitter?) client for Sailfish, but it's really in early phase for now | 20:20 |
| ggabriel | artemma: i thought sailfish came with twitter ootb | 20:21 |
| artemma | Just shows my newsfeed for now can't even click | 20:21 |
| artemma | ggabriel: with twitter *feed*, not full twitter client ;) | 20:21 |
| ggabriel | artemma: ok, gotcha | 20:22 |
| tango_ | wasn't somebody porting tweenia or whatever the name of the N9 app was? | 20:22 |
| artemma | ggabriel: Tweetian client is quite OK BTW. Not super cool, but okay | 20:22 |
| ggabriel | clearly i don't use twitter that much :) | 20:22 |
| * ggabriel off to drink+dinner, laters | 20:23 | |
| tango_ | is tweetian open source? | 20:27 |
| Raim | tango_: yes, see the branch sailfish-port here, https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian | 20:29 |
| tango_ | maybe I should base my friendfeed app off it | 20:32 |
| tango_ | Raim: thanks | 20:32 |
| parasemic | Pnuu: okay, i did my own entry https://together.jolla.com/question/5246/idea-extended-cover-actions/ | 20:32 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: yay :-) | 20:37 |
| Tofe | parasemic: I don't see the photo below ? | 20:37 |
| parasemic | mm, weird | 20:37 |
| parasemic | https://together.jolla.com/upfiles/13882611599931006.png | 20:38 |
| parasemic | should be there | 20:38 |
| Chaz6 | 404 :( | 20:38 |
| Chaz6 | now it's there | 20:38 |
| Chaz6 | 2nd try | 20:38 |
| Chaz6 | Could be a bad load balancer | 20:38 |
| Chaz6 | sometimes it 404s | 20:38 |
| Quu | upfiles | 20:39 |
| Tofe | parasemic: wow, you're a Paint Master ! | 20:39 |
| Tofe | ;) | 20:39 |
| Quu | such paint | 20:40 |
| parasemic | Tofe, i know, right | 20:40 |
| parasemic | took me like 5 minutes | 20:40 |
| parasemic | wow such skillz | 20:40 |
| artemma | Trying mitakuulu. Entered my number, clicked register and.. I am in some empty Registration view with numeric keyboard and nothing else.. | 20:42 |
| parasemic | anyway, what do you think? | 20:42 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | artemma: i think it does not work in the newest | 20:42 |
| artemma | HarhaanJohtaja: how do you activate then? | 20:43 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | maybe try to do that with older version | 20:43 |
| ottulo | artemma: didn't get sms? | 20:44 |
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| artemma | okay I can probably ask Android version for code.. | 20:44 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/27 | 20:44 |
| artemma | ottulo: nope and I can't see indication that it was requested | 20:44 |
| parasemic | artemma just install earlier version, register and then update | 20:44 |
| artemma | aha | 20:44 |
| artemma | thx | 20:44 |
| pdanek | my Jolla lasts VERY short time | 20:44 |
| artemma | will try | 20:44 |
| pdanek | I think shorter than N900 | 20:44 |
| pdanek | with wifi on whole day | 20:45 |
| ottulo | I had the problem that upon opening the app I only got a blank white screen | 20:45 |
| ottulo | tried reinstalling but didn't help | 20:45 |
| tango_ | pdanek: known problem, disable the daemon that interfaces with TOH | 20:45 |
| ottulo | a day later I redownloaded, reinstalled and it's worked now | 20:45 |
| pdanek | tango_: is the issue still in new patch? | 20:45 |
| stephg | pdanek yep, not yet fixed | 20:46 |
| tango_ | pdanek: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html yeah, not fixed in 1.0.2.5 | 20:46 |
| pdanek | tango_: but my other half is pure white | 20:46 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | nfc fix should came in the second week of 2014 or so i read somewhere | 20:46 |
| pdanek | ok thx | 20:46 |
| AJAX555 | how can I remove a word from word predictions? or well, a password to be exact.. | 20:47 |
| pdanek | tango_: but am I affected by this even if I don't have special other half? I have white one | 20:47 |
| tango_ | pdanek: I think so, yes | 20:47 |
| parasemic | lol @ 1 follower and 0 voteups... | 20:48 |
| stephg | AJAX555 it can be done, but I've forgotten | 20:49 |
| * stephg ← drunk | 20:49 | |
| AJAX555 | well, I can wait for tomorrow | 20:50 |
| Pnuu | pdanek: yes, you are | 20:51 |
| parasemic | pdanek, yes. | 20:51 |
| Pnuu | it's not related to LE TOH, but NFC | 20:51 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: I voted! | 20:51 |
| parasemic | Pnuu: \o/ | 20:51 |
| stephg | AJAX555 I half remember that the dictionary may behave oddly with dalvik as well | 20:51 |
| Pnuu | gnight | 20:54 |
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| Andy80 | ggabriel: it's the 3rd time I reset the device, now it's checking again if there are any updates but it cannot find any.... it's stuck on "checking..." | 20:57 |
| Andy80 | ggabriel: I think it's bricked or something :/ | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: can you run 'pkmon' | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | so we can see what it's doing? | 20:58 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: I need to enable developer mode... one moment... | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: i'm inclined to blame your wifi network somehow | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | you have a jolla account, right? | 20:59 |
| Andy80 | nice.... now it's stuck on "Enabling developer mode" | 20:59 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yes I've | 21:00 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: my wifi is working for everything else... has always worked with Jolla too | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and it's added, right | 21:00 |
| Andy80 | yes, account is added | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then i need to see pkmon | 21:01 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: right... but if I cannot enable developer mode, I see it hard :P | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | point | 21:01 |
| Andy80 | maybe there is a problem upgrading from 1.0.0.5 to the lastest available? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'll go check | 21:02 |
| Andy80 | is there any other test I can try in the mean time? | 21:03 |
| Andy80 | ok, my last try: I reset again, I don't try ANY upgrade, I try to enable developer mode as first thing. | 21:05 |
| Venemo | ummm | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: doing a check atm | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | got "update available" (i checked in about product) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | now going to events view, click system update available | 21:06 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: starting from what? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | 1.0.0.5 | 21:06 |
| Andy80 | I mean.... you did a factory reset? | 21:06 |
| Andy80 | uhm... | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:06 |
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| Andy80 | I try again with initial setup in the mean time... | 21:07 |
| * ShadowJK sighs | 21:08 | |
| ShadowJK | how do I clear call history | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | just made pocketcall at 11pm :P | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | jolla: connecting people | 21:09 |
| * Stskeeps glances at Jonuz | 21:09 | |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: now I don't select any app, neither Android support | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | (doing the tutorial) | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | ok... what now? do I try to enable developer mode? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | probably not a bad idea | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | to help diagnose | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | ok, "Enabling...." | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | .... stuck on "Enabling developer mode" :/ | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | note: I've NO SIM card inside... it can be a problem? | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:14 |
| Andy80 | then I really don't have any other idea... | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | give it a little bit then | 21:14 |
| Andy80 | I've another wifi router at home... if you want I can connect to the other one, but of course the adsl is the same one | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | i just succesfully downloaded a 1.0.2.5 update, now installing it | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | bloody hell, plz add those 5 second regret timeouts to phonecalls too :D | 21:18 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: developer mode enabled :) | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: good | 21:21 |
| Andy80 | uhm... | 21:21 |
| Andy80 | but it didn't ask me to set any password | 21:21 |
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| Andy80 | ah ok found\ | 21:22 |
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| nander | how do I reset all storage of an andriod app? | 21:23 |
| nander | (all settings, data, etc.) | 21:24 |
| nander | Re-installing doesn't work | 21:24 |
| Andy80 | damn ssh... | 21:24 |
| Andy80 | I don't remember the command to delete the offending key | 21:24 |
| Venemo | Andy80: what offending key? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: vim? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: because I had already connected to this device, but now I resetted it | 21:26 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: yeah but there was a particular ssh command.... | 21:26 |
| Venemo | Andy80: you have to delete the SSH key from your computer | 21:26 |
| Andy80 | Ubuntu usually displays it | 21:26 |
| Andy80 | but I'm under osx at the moment] | 21:27 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it's in ~/.ssh/known_hosts | 21:27 |
| Venemo | not sure about OSX | 21:27 |
| Andy80 | I know | 21:27 |
| nander | Guys, how do I remove the settings of an android app | 21:27 |
| Andy80 | I don't know how to use this f****** editor! | 21:28 |
| Andy80 | who says OSX it's easier?! | 21:28 |
| Andy80 | arrrrggghhhhh | 21:28 |
| Andy80 | found! | 21:30 |
| arnbak | Andy80: install a proper editor ? | 21:30 |
| Andy80 | it's: ssh-keygen -R ipnumber | 21:30 |
| Yaniel | what is the problem with osx? | 21:30 |
| nander | it sucks ;) | 21:31 |
| nander | trololololol | 21:31 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: ok, I'm inside with ssh, what was the command to use? pkmon? | 21:31 |
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| Yaniel | nander: yeah, like any *nix | 21:31 |
| Nicd- | Andy80: it's not OS X's fault if you can't use vi(m) :P | 21:31 |
| Andy80 | yep | 21:32 |
| nander | linux - ends on ux ;) | 21:32 |
| Nicd- | but linux is a *nix | 21:32 |
| nander | it really isn't | 21:33 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: ok, pkmon already prints something... and checking for updates is already disabled in my settings (I mean.. like if something else was already checking) | 21:33 |
| nander | Different core | 21:33 |
| Andy80 | maybe I need to reboot? | 21:33 |
| nander | It just has a few design principles which it borrowed | 21:33 |
| v2px | I just call everything lunix | 21:33 |
| nander | You could.. vpx2 | 21:34 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | short for lunatics? | 21:34 |
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| Andy80 | slowly but it's doing something http://pastebin.com/Ji4TPSJT | 21:35 |
| Nicd- | nander: *nix isn't unix, *nix means unix and unix-like | 21:36 |
| nander | *nix is a pattern | 21:37 |
| Pnuu | Andy80: looks like it's refreshing pckage info | 21:37 |
| nander | anything ending on nix | 21:37 |
| Andy80 | Pnuu: yes.. at least now we can see what it does :) | 21:38 |
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| Nicd- | nander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*nix | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | HarhaanJohtaja: you do have a point there... | 21:38 |
| flux | so, I've lost my phone somewhere in the house. what's the easiest way to make sound on it over ssh?-) | 21:38 |
| Pnuu | Andy80: so let it sit for a while and follow what pokemon prints | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | flux: paplay? | 21:38 |
| nander | I only hate minix ;) | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | Pnuu: "Gotta install 'em all"? | 21:39 |
| FireFly | nander: *nix doesn't match 'plan9' :( | 21:39 |
| Andy80 | Pnuu: I wonder why it's so slow... | 21:40 |
| * tango_ fixed the 'forced helsinki timezone for automatic clock update without a SIM' issue manually | 21:40 | |
| flux | stskeeps, can it play mp3? | 21:40 |
| tango_ | now if there was a way to force the actual time update? | 21:40 |
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| flux | apparently it should | 21:41 |
| Pnuu | aI wondered the same, it also almost blocked all net trafic | 21:41 |
| flux | but doesn't play the ringtone | 21:41 |
| flux | just says 'Failed to open audio file' which is strange | 21:42 |
| Andy80 | mmmm........ | 21:42 |
| Andy80 | anyone is offended if I say "f***** you STEAM" ? | 21:43 |
| Pnuu | but, I'm behind a 3G connection anyway atm | 21:43 |
| Andy80 | I had 500ms ping! | 21:43 |
| nander | andy80 - I am.. | 21:43 |
| Andy80 | closed it, 28 ms | 21:44 |
| Andy80 | nander: sorry, nothing personal :) | 21:44 |
| nander | Steam is a bit overloaded right now ;) | 21:44 |
| Andy80 | if it's overloaded it doesn't mean it should lock my connection :P | 21:44 |
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| Andy80 | I was not downloading anything... I just had the client open | 21:44 |
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| Andy80 | anyway.... the pkmon check is not faster, but surely my connection is right now | 21:45 |
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| merlin1991 | Andy80: the updates for the client itself are not visible in the ui when they dl | 21:46 |
| flux | tried with gst-launcher but had a permission problem with it | 21:46 |
| flux | but I found the phone by random anyway :) | 21:46 |
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| Andy80 | Stskeeps: finally! 1.0.2.5 available :) | 21:47 |
| Andy80 | let's see... | 21:47 |
| tango_ | Andy80: the steam client does a lot of bg downloading | 21:52 |
| Andy80 | yes it's downloading the fw update | 21:52 |
| Andy80 | 37% | 21:52 |
| Andy80 | tango_: I just discovered... and that's very weird | 21:52 |
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| Andy80 | tango_: it must also stay open when you play to some game.. that's even more bad | 21:53 |
| Andy80 | once again lesson learned: never, ever, ever, ever.... play games on pc, only console. | 21:53 |
| Nicd- | other way around for me :P though we do have a PS2 with one game we play when friends come over | 21:54 |
| Andy80 | Nicd-: I've xbox usually, but not here :P I'm back to Italy for holidays | 21:56 |
| nander | andy80 unless you want to play fun games ;) | 21:56 |
| nander | Then you need a pc | 21:57 |
| nander | ultimate lan games like magicka :D | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | let me remind you of the cool features on the new xbox one | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | (planned ones) | 21:57 |
| Andy80 | nander: I was playing Civ V today ;) | 21:57 |
| nander | Magicka is even more hilarious | 21:59 |
| nander | The friendly fire in that game is pretty damn extreme | 21:59 |
| Yaniel | magicka is nothing but hilarious | 21:59 |
| nander | I think I register more player kills in that game per hour than in all shooters combined ;) | 21:59 |
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| Andy80 | ok, it looks like it's installing all the packages | 22:04 |
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| pdanek | Are you able to update email app? | 22:07 |
| pdanek | All other apps install, except email app won't update. | 22:07 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | what's this about steam? | 22:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you're not running steam on jolla, are you? | 22:09 |
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| Nicd- | I already have steam on my jolla :P | 22:11 |
| ottulo | come on, it's a jolla, not a steamboat | 22:12 |
| * AL13N_lizzy is not finnish | 22:12 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | just to remind you guys | 22:12 |
| Quu | FINNISH HIM | 22:12 |
| spider-mario | pdanek : actually, there has been a downgrade | 22:12 |
| Quu | back to fever-hallucinating -> | 22:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though i did hear it means some kind of boat | 22:12 |
| spider-mario | a temporary fix because appearently, the new version of jolla-mail has caused problems to some people for the OS upgrade | 22:12 |
| spider-mario | the newer version will be back | 22:12 |
| * ottulo attacks AL13N_lizzy with wild noun suffixes! | 22:12 | |
| merlin1991 | i don't know why but the channel is degenerating :D | 22:13 |
| Nicd- | I meant I actually have Steam on my Jolla phone | 22:13 |
| Waitee | AL13N_lizzy: it's a small sailboat | 22:13 |
| * merlin1991 waits for the first trouts to arrive | 22:13 | |
| tango_ | Nicd-: steam on the jolla? | 22:14 |
| ottulo | tango_: there's an android app so you can chat or make purchases | 22:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: if you didn't hear already, please forward this to aliendalvik: https://together.jolla.com/question/4101/android-apps-loses-audio-resolved/ | 22:15 |
| Jonuz | What is hardware requirements for sailfish? | 22:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: it's not hot enough to dampen water, so i don't believe you | 22:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: what's all this attacking? | 22:16 |
| Nicd- | tango_: yes, the steam android app | 22:17 |
| Nicd- | Jonuz: armv7 at least. not much else is known because sailfish is not released for other devices yet | 22:17 |
| ottulo | AL13N_lizzy: no harm intended, I've just been cut off irc for about a week so I might overcompensate | 22:17 |
| Nicd- | runs on x86 too | 22:18 |
| slate | Phone is pretty low-end hw so theres the direction | 22:18 |
| Yaniel | I too have Steam on my Jolla | 22:18 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: finally! 1.0.2.5 installed :) I just got a small error at boot "Store error: this other half not working" or somthing similar... | 22:19 |
| Waitee | Yaniel: where did you get the apk? | 22:19 |
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| Nicd- | Waitee: I installed it from google play | 22:20 |
| Waitee | im not too eager to install gapps | 22:21 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | it is probably in other stores aswell | 22:22 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: ok, it's just that i saw this nordic movie called "The Hunt" just now | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jagten? | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or something | 22:23 |
| FireFly | Jakten? maybe | 22:23 |
| FireFly | or I guess maybe Jagten if it's danish or something | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | could be | 22:23 |
| FireFly | Apparently it is | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | donno if it's danish or whatever, but definately some kind of nordic language | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the weird part is that when that girl speaks english, it's hard to understand | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or rather, i don't realize right away she speaks english | 22:24 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://www.willisms.com/archives/danish.jpg | 22:25 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, i'm going to sleep | 22:28 |
| Venemo | good night AL13N_lizzy | 22:29 |
| Waitee | steam installed | 22:29 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: btw, have you ordered your jolla yet? | 22:29 |
| Yaniel | Waitee: http://store.steampowered.com/mobile | 22:30 |
| Waitee | Yaniel: downloaded the apk via apk downloader | 22:30 |
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| Andy80 | I'm now installing the Android support from the store | 22:32 |
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| Waitee | Andy80: wp | 22:32 |
| Andy80 | but.. | 22:32 |
| Andy80 | it's always slow like hell | 22:33 |
| Waitee | like how? | 22:33 |
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| Andy80 | I mean... it's very slow | 22:33 |
| Waitee | the jolla store? | 22:34 |
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| Andy80 | yes | 22:34 |
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| Waitee | lol | 22:34 |
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| Andy80 | ehm... | 22:35 |
| Andy80 | I pressed the power button by mistake and I suspended my mac -.- | 22:35 |
| Andy80 | I was saying... | 22:35 |
| Waitee | there was a command for fingerterm to reinstall the store | 22:36 |
| Andy80 | yes, Jolla Store | 22:36 |
| Waitee | or something | 22:36 |
| Waitee | should help | 22:36 |
| Andy80 | why I should reinstall the store? | 22:36 |
| Andy80 | I've just done a factory reset and the upgrade to 1.0.2.5 | 22:36 |
| Yaniel | store-client? | 22:36 |
| Waitee | yea | 22:37 |
| Waitee | i did something like that and it started working | 22:37 |
| Waitee | then teres the | 22:37 |
| Waitee | aasd | 22:38 |
| Waitee | damn fingerterm | 22:38 |
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| Andy80 | it can't be so slow installing a package :/ | 22:49 |
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| Fazeriina | Is there a way to connect to a wireless network with hidden SSID ? | 22:57 |
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| Andy80 | another newbie question: when I connect the USB cable between a Mac and Jolla, how can I copy something on the phone? I can't see it in Finder | 23:33 |
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| tigeli | Andy80: osx doesn't support mtp | 23:37 |
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| tigeli | Andy80: https://together.jolla.com/question/282/usb-file-transfer-support-for-mac-os-x/ | 23:38 |
| Andy80 | tigeli: never a joy :/ | 23:38 |
| tigeli | Andy80: but with developer mode you could use scp or sftp | 23:39 |
| Andy80 | tigeli: right... I was thinking about it :) | 23:40 |
| spider-mario | I use sshfs | 23:41 |
| spider-mario | it’s great. :D | 23:41 |
| spider-mario | (I suppose it uses scp under the hood) | 23:41 |
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| spider-mario | (http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html ) | 23:43 |
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