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| CraigA | hey all | 02:15 |
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| hene- | how to uninstall android app? I'm using google play store | 06:34 |
| hene- | just like normal app? | 06:34 |
| tigeli | hene-: yeah | 06:34 |
| tigeli | hene-: press your finger over the app-icon until you get x-sign on the right? corner of it | 06:35 |
| hene- | yep | 06:36 |
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| hulkkii | For those interested, Here some first results of the Jolla's camera speed using Android API with CamSpeed app: http://www.sofica.fi/CamSpeed2/snaps/camspeed-jolla.png | 06:48 |
| pp_ | nice (obviously doesn't take quality into account :-) ) | 06:51 |
| hulkkii | Nope ;) | 06:51 |
| pp_ | I suppose not focusing at all would make it very very fast :-) | 06:51 |
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| hulkkii | Well fixed focus devices with tiny sensors are fastest in total time to take first pic (something like ipad 2), but doesn't make sense to compare with those. | 06:56 |
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| tehdely | i miss the "full focus" / EDOF camera i had on my nokia c6-01 | 07:04 |
| tehdely | it was neat being able to just immediately snap a picture | 07:04 |
| tehdely | and expect it to be in focus | 07:04 |
| tehdely | of course the pictures were all... weird | 07:04 |
| tehdely | but it was a great party camera ;) | 07:05 |
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| tehdely | also, my jolla is in the united states. it gets closer and closer every day | 07:05 |
| tehdely | i expect delivery by friday probably | 07:05 |
| tehdely | mmm mmm mmm | 07:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:28 |
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| tango_ | I think my phone turned off during charging | 07:30 |
| tango_ | I don't remember turning it off yesterday night | 07:30 |
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| Kiranos | how is together supposted to work? | 07:43 |
| Kiranos | for example this: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/ | 07:43 |
| Kiranos | these "answers" should be converted to comments righrt | 07:43 |
| Kiranos | ? | 07:43 |
| Kiranos | but I love that is actually pretty high up the list of top voted topics:P | 07:44 |
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| pp_ | ooh, fmms guy has been busy | 07:50 |
| pp_ | heh, most useful answer there is a comment :-) | 07:51 |
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| tjp | I don't seem to be able to create calendar events on my activesynced calendars any more. Should I be able to choose which calendar to create an event to? Can the default calendar be changed somehow? | 09:04 |
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| Kiranos | tjp: google calendar was one way might be related? | 09:16 |
| tjp | Kiranos: might be somehow related, but these are exchange/activesync calendars and I believe I have been able to create events at least in one of them earlier. | 09:18 |
| Kiranos | tjp: I dont know, perhaps create a thread at together | 09:20 |
| Andy80 | has anyone noticed that the battery lasts less with 1.0.2.5 ? (yes, I've already disabled tohd) | 09:21 |
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| tjp | I will, I was just wondering whether the calendar can be selected at all when creating an event. | 09:23 |
| tjp | that is, 'can you select which calendar to use' | 09:24 |
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| atlaz | So i just broke my Jolla | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: how? | 10:02 |
| atlaz | Dunno. Screen is black, doesnt react on buttons. I tried taking the battery out, nothing | 10:03 |
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| ggabriel | bricked? | 10:03 |
| atlaz | I was playing spotify in my car, everything was fine. Got out of the car and was gonna stop spotify and the screen wouldn't turn on | 10:03 |
| phaeron | flat battery ? | 10:04 |
| atlaz | Charged last night | 10:04 |
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| atlaz | Weird. Started now that i plugged n the charger | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | maybe flat battery :) | 10:05 |
| atlaz | Yeah, 1% charging. WTF | 10:05 |
| atlaz | had 95% when i put spotify on. Used spotify for about ~20min | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | tohd or not? | 10:06 |
| atlaz | Do you mean if i got the back cover on? Yes | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | more if you disabled tohd.service | 10:07 |
| atlaz | Yeah, disabled and masked | 10:07 |
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| atlaz | And i mean, music played, i stopped my car, took out my phone from it's holder and the screen wouldn't turn on. It wen't from playing music to being dead in less than two seconds | 10:08 |
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| atlaz | Hmm. I also used my triplog that collect the mileage while im driving my car | 10:09 |
| ggabriel | well, my phone has been in 33% of battery all night, I don't believe it tbh :) | 10:10 |
| atlaz | It activated mid driving (it lets out a small beep when it activates) | 10:10 |
| atlaz | But i mean, how can the battery just uncharge itself? | 10:10 |
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| ggabriel | i don't know in your case, in mine i know that i didn't let the battery go flat, so its meter may not be fully adjusted just yet | 10:12 |
| atlaz | Yeah. I haven't had any problems with it so far. Charging every night (except saturday-sunday when i wanted to see if i can go two days without charging) | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: did it at any point blink red LED? | 10:13 |
| atlaz | Yes, when i connected the charger | 10:13 |
| pp_ | android stuff can be a battery suck | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: hmm | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: got developer mode? | 10:14 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: yep | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: can i ask you to set =persistent instead of =volatile in /etc/systemd/journald.conf , mkdir -p /var/log/journal | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | and reboot | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and give me logs if this happens again in future | 10:15 |
| atlaz | what editor can i use in Jolla? (I only know pico and nano :) | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | vim .. :P | 10:16 |
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| ggabriel | pico!!! | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | sed -i s/volatile/persistent/g /etc/systemd/journald.conf should do the trick too though | 10:16 |
| anacron | was there a packet for installing more commandline tools such as nano? | 10:17 |
| TemeV | anacron: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 10:18 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: done and done | 10:18 |
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| atlaz | I'll try spotifyin and triplogging again on my drive home | 10:18 |
| atlaz | If thats the combo | 10:18 |
| anacron | TemeV: ty | 10:18 |
| TemeV | np | 10:19 |
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| ORe` | hello | 10:41 |
| ORe` | i'have some problems with my wifi key. | 10:41 |
| ORe` | some symbol as not accepted. | 10:41 |
| ORe` | my key : 7M.%07eA9ZtuEpV*<z!6S?@79r%SI(6fN=2S@ReBAvw4aE0brGv5~XV+A~~uA)= | 10:42 |
| ORe` | if you have an idea :) | 10:42 |
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| ggabriel | ORe`: yeah, looks like a long key :) | 10:45 |
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| ggabriel | ORe`: which symbol in particular isn't supported? | 10:46 |
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| ORe` | yes ggabriel | 10:47 |
| ORe` | yes : which symbol isn't supported | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | so, wich one then? I don't see colons in your key | 10:48 |
| vegai | ooo, I used the phone while talking on the phone | 10:49 |
| vegai | mindblown | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | vegai: i thought that was a very old feature ;-) | 10:49 |
| vegai | I haven't dared to even try it with any of me previous phones | 10:49 |
| vegai | I never had an N9, perhaps it was ok there too | 10:50 |
| tabasko_ | is there any way yet to format sdcard with Jolla? | 10:50 |
| kontio_ | not in UI | 10:50 |
| tabasko_ | and way it uses it is also bit confusing :) | 10:50 |
| tabasko_ | kontio_: fdisk? | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | vegai: yeah, even bb's did that. iphone is quite sucky as it doesn't let you use data while talking, so it's pretty useless | 10:50 |
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| tabasko_ | lost all my photos and music on sdcard after upgrade | 10:50 |
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| atlaz | vegai: my Lumia 520 workphone is even better. When I talk to a customer using a bluetooth headset it can magically call the same person that im talking to! So their phone says "atlaz is calling" even thou im talking to them already | 10:51 |
| kontio_ | tabasko_: it's work in progress, fdisk is to partition the card... mkfs.vfat is to create a file system... | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | tabasko_: as in, data gone? | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | or just removed from UI view | 10:52 |
| vegai | atlaz: :D | 10:52 |
| kontio_ | tabasko_: did you check on a PC what's on the card? | 10:52 |
| vegai | ggabriel: never had those either :) | 10:52 |
| atlaz | Then if i try to disconnect the new call it's doing, it disconnet the old call also, because im disconnecting my calls to customer X | 10:52 |
| ORe` | i don't know, i have not message for symbol rejected. | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | ORe`: ok, so you can type it but it rejects it... do you have developer mode on? | 10:54 |
| pdanek | I'm surprised the other half daemon eating battery still wasn't fixed in latest patch, was it? | 10:54 |
| pdanek | It's like biggest issue of Jolla at this moment. | 10:54 |
| pdanek | After disabling the daemon, by battery life is tripled. :P | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: the workaround came in the midst of xmas, too late for integration | 10:55 |
| pdanek | even more than tripled in standby mode. | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be in an upcoming update | 10:55 |
| pdanek | I see | 10:55 |
| ORe` | yes i have but i'm not @home, give me command and i return result tomorrow :D | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | as we need to test and verify it properly | 10:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pdanek: more like 10 days idle | 10:55 |
| pdanek | y | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | ORe`: journalctl -af i think will tail the logs, see if you see something there | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | ORe`: if you think it's a bug, you may want to report it in together.jolla.com | 10:55 |
| ORe` | ok, i try this afternoon | 10:56 |
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| ORe` | maybe i have in log, i looking | 10:57 |
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| tabasko_ | Stskeeps , kontio_ : not sure. I dont have sdcard adapter to check. And mtp devices work poorly with linux | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | tabasko_: developer mode? | 11:03 |
| tabasko_ | but on filemanager or terminal folders like DCIM look empty :() | 11:03 |
| tabasko_ | Stskeeps: of course | 11:03 |
| kontio_ | tabasko_: also with mtp the sd-card is not exported | 11:03 |
| tabasko_ | boo :) | 11:04 |
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| tabasko_ | yeah, but I have to check if I find microsd -> sdcard adapter. I had backup tought | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | tabasko_: that sounds nasty.. | 11:04 |
| tabasko_ | and it might be failure of sdcard which was pretty old | 11:05 |
| tabasko_ | Stskeeps: yeah, but I dont know how upgrading would affect sdcard | 11:05 |
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| tabasko_ | I had installed google play, but nothing else tweaking | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, google play is unsupported, we have no knowledge of how it could bust around with your files | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | but i'm curious as to what happened anyway | 11:06 |
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| flux | so, I have set up openvpn on the device. suggestions how to signal it that wlan or 3g was brought up/down? do I need to write a program/script using dbus? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | flux: check connman's integration then | 11:19 |
| flux | connman's documentation at connman.net basically says 'here is the DBus api' | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | fair | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | flux: https://github.com/bmwcarit/connman/blob/master/doc/vpn-connection-api.txt ; and check connman-test pacakge | 11:23 |
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| flux | stskeeps, thanks! | 11:25 |
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| flux | it was so nice on n900 to just roam and ssh connections (to hosts over vpn) just persisted :) | 11:26 |
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| flux | apparently folks at jolla use vim, no emacs packaged?-) | 11:35 |
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| stephg | flux: not enough simultaneous multitouch for power emacs users ;) | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | batt level before reboot: 28%; after reboot (sudo reboot): 38% :D | 11:39 |
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| ggabriel | obviously, rebooting charges the battery | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | jolla: powered by your love | 11:39 |
| flux | stephg, well, it would work over ssh :) | 11:42 |
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| tango_ | stephg: lol | 11:44 |
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| AJAX555 | ha! first train trip with my jolla ;> | 11:45 |
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| ggabriel | ok, i'll import >400 contacts one by one, what's the worst that can happen? | 11:48 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... i got the duplicate system update notification | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | i'll ignore me thinks | 11:52 |
| AJAX555 | worst thing that can happen, is that you only use ~50 of those | 11:52 |
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| ggabriel | ok, vcardimporter doesn't like files with special characters | 11:55 |
| ccha4 | how can use the ip usb adress ? I plug the usb and select dev mode | 11:57 |
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| ccha4 | what I need to do on my computer ? | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | ccha4: OS? | 11:57 |
| ccha4 | windows seven | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | it should see a new network interface | 11:57 |
| ggabriel | unless it's locked somehow | 11:57 |
| ccha4 | on the computer ? | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | yes | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | you should be able to ping it or something | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | i don't use windows though | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | but that's what people say... | 11:58 |
| ccha4 | no pong :) | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | (it's in jolla.zendesk.com as well btw) | 11:58 |
| ccha4 | ping no reply | 11:58 |
| Yaniel | you need to configure the interface first | 11:59 |
| Yaniel | set yourself an ip address on it | 11:59 |
| Yaniel | (no dhcpd on the jolla ^^) | 11:59 |
| ggabriel | ah, thanks for jumping in Yaniel | 11:59 |
| ccha4 | ok, I try to add 1 virtual adress on the computer | 12:00 |
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| Yaniel | I don't know the details on windows but set yourself a 192.168.2.0/24 address on the usb interface and enable it | 12:00 |
| Yaniel | the phone is 192.168.2.15 by default | 12:01 |
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| kontio_ | Yaniel: not yet, but it's on the way: https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded/commit/2d30b7cc290f22e4f61545da5e69f9a8a2f30f78 | 12:03 |
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| Yaniel | hmm? | 12:04 |
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| kontio_ | dhcp | 12:05 |
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| Yaniel | ah | 12:05 |
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| Yaniel | well I'm fine with setting my ip manually | 12:06 |
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| Yaniel | but dhcp does make it basically plugnplay | 12:06 |
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| narchie_ | all right | 12:06 |
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| SfietKonstantin | hihi | 12:09 |
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| ccha4 | Yaniel: ok successfull, when I activate dev mode, I got new interface and after config it, i can ping it | 12:33 |
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| flux | nowait, mer-tools repo to the rescue, it has emacs ;) | 12:37 |
| ccha4 | but the connection disable after few minutes | 12:37 |
| Turski | flux: nah, vim is in default repos :) | 12:39 |
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| Pnuu | emacs is hard to use on a virtual kb.. | 12:40 |
| flux | it takes its sweet time to install.. | 12:42 |
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| Pnuu | hmm, do I need to restart something to get ssh keys working on the phone? | 12:44 |
| Pnuu | that is, I added a key to phones ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 12:44 |
| Trizt | if it's normal ssh, then no you shouldn't need, but not sure how things are in dev mode | 12:45 |
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| teve | chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 12:46 |
| Pnuu | teve: thanks, that did the trick | 12:46 |
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| flux | cool, now openvpn works and reconnects when a link says State=online | 13:00 |
| flux | I shall see how much battery it will consume :) | 13:01 |
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| teve | could you share your openvpn script, I'd like to test openconnect with it? | 13:04 |
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| flux | test how? | 13:07 |
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| teve | I've not yet tried openconnect vpn on the phone, I had an impression that it needs some connman glue. | 13:11 |
| flux | what do you mean by the "openvpn script" btw? | 13:13 |
| flux | I did write a unit file for systemd to start it. it's pretty short&simple. | 13:13 |
| teve | well, I need to play with it tonight. Seems that openconnect is quite old one (3.15 from 2011, latest 5.01), not sure if it works well with our vpn. | 13:15 |
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| Kiranos | flux: so tun/tap devices are compiled with the kernel? | 13:23 |
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| flux | yep | 13:32 |
| flux | no kernel hackery involved | 13:32 |
| tango_ | does the kernel have nfs and/or samba compiled in? | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | tango_: check /proc/config.gz | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | i'd do it for you, but no zless love :( | 13:39 |
| tango_ | it is! | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | or zgrep | 13:39 |
| tango_ | zcat is there | 13:39 |
| tango_ | zcat | grep | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | ah, cool | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | didn't know | 13:39 |
| tango_ | so yeah | 13:39 |
| tango_ | WE HAVE NFS, YEAH | 13:39 |
| tango_ | jolla, I love you guyses | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | unsurprisingly, i think the n9's camera is better than the jolla's | 13:40 |
| tango_ | CIFS=m | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | the jolla didn't pass the empirical test | 13:40 |
| tango_ | nope, the hardware is not really on part with the nokia stuff, sadly | 13:40 |
| tango_ | OTOH, if nokia could procude the HW and jolla could install the SW ... | 13:41 |
| tango_ | iwouldbesohappy.jpg | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | it isn't too bad either | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | if they get more money/support they may be able to hire a team to interact with optics experts and get something cooler | 13:41 |
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| nahkiss | ggabriel: isn't their whole idea to be a SW developer and let others make the HW | 13:49 |
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| CraigA | i'm too jolla washed | 13:50 |
| CraigA | i read that as On The Other Half | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: i didn't understand it like that | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | in fact, jolla's other half concept is quite unique among mobile phones, the device is quite pleasing (as opposed to any android out there) | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | i want them to continue making hardware to be honest | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | ofc with 3rd party components | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | the camera could be one | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | nokia uses carl zeiss for instance, nothing wrong with that... they have the best mobile cameras in the world | 13:51 |
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| vegai | perhaps Nokia will start to make hw for sailfish soon :P | 13:53 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | is there any benefits using carl zeiss other than for marketing purposes? | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: the quality of the lens is a big part of taking pictures, so yes | 13:54 |
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| Waitee_ | HarhaanJohtaja: a picture taken with the same camera on the same conditions with 3MP and 10MP looks identical to human eye when enlarged to A4 paper size | 14:09 |
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| ggabriel | Waitee_: yeah, but you can't zoom in+crop :P | 14:10 |
| Waitee_ | true | 14:10 |
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| ggabriel | i can't do that with my 12MP slr | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | but to a certain extent | 14:11 |
| Waitee | but getting good pictures relies almost completely on the quality of the lense and the quality of the sensor | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | a mate bought a 24MP slr and got a fantastic panorama like cropped shot | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: agree | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | if apple would have partnered witih a proper lens maker, they'd have told them not to put a coloured lens protector :) | 14:12 |
| Waitee | :D | 14:12 |
| Pnuu | IMHO the most important part to get good pictures is the photographer :-P | 14:12 |
| Waitee | Pnuu: agreed | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeah, i assumed we weren't including the human part here | 14:13 |
| Pnuu | ok :-) | 14:13 |
| Waitee | i cant get a nice picture even with a good camera | 14:13 |
| Waitee | :D | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | every time i want a nice/complex picture, i realize i should have a tripod | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | tripod toh | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | there you go | 14:14 |
| Waitee | :D | 14:15 |
| Waitee | my friend has been printing his own toh | 14:16 |
| ggabriel | nice | 14:16 |
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| Waitee | he should try printing a mount for a tripod | 14:20 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/4125/camera-add-hdr-high-dynamic-range-imaging-support/ | 14:21 |
| Pnuu | "there's no camera mount Other halves yet" :-) | 14:21 |
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| ggabriel | actually, there should be an AG other half | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | no need to put a tripod anywhere | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | according to back to the future, we should have that technology already | 14:23 |
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| ggabriel | _and_ we should add unicorns | 14:23 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | other half that makes your phone fly. So it could come to you when you are away from it or it could fly next to you. | 14:23 |
| Pnuu | Waitee: add two of these (landscape and portrait) to a printed TOH: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/769749-REG/Oben_OB_1039_3_8_16_to_1_4_20_Reducer.html | 14:24 |
| Pnuu | HarhaanJohtaja: a drone-TOH? | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | yesyesyes drone toh | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | dettachable of course | 14:26 |
| Pnuu | with lazors | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | so that you can control it with your jolla | 14:26 |
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| pp_ | interesting, htc one mini has 800/1800/2600 MHz LTE and it might have the same chip :-) | 14:36 |
| pp_ | (800MHz opening up next year and it might even not suck when you're in the middle of nowhere) | 14:36 |
| Milo- | "todays unused votes -20 votes left" how is that possible? :o | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: negative karma giver? | 14:38 |
| Milo- | I have given like four down votes. | 14:39 |
| Milo- | I'm wondering how I can have -20 votes left :P | 14:39 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | is it 50 votes by day? | 14:41 |
| Pnuu | yes | 14:41 |
| Milo- | I've actually done 34 votes in the last 16 hours. I thought there was a 50 vote quota. | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: wow 4 downvotes | 14:42 |
| Milo- | yeah! I've been bad! | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | i think i saw only 1 thing i strongly disagreed with | 14:42 |
| Pnuu | I've used 11 votes, and 21 left | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | i'm tempted to downvote sometimes, but i realize i'm just indifferent about it | 14:43 |
| Pnuu | hmm, the votes page doesn't include up-votes for comments? | 14:43 |
| Milo- | that could be it.. | 14:43 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i have done two votes today and yesterday combined and got 29 left | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | where do you see the votes left? | 14:44 |
| Milo- | profile | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | ah, overview | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | maybe there is no limit? you know how in the comments you can write past the limit? | 14:44 |
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| Milo- | I can't vote on comments or answers anymore | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | aha | 14:45 |
| pp_ | woot, amazing alex stopped crashing on startup without me doing anything :D | 14:45 |
| Milo- | I have exceeded my quota | 14:45 |
| pp_ | (it was contacting some rovio.com skynet for DRM if I read the logs correctly :-) ) | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: so you need to prioritise :) | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | do you want that vpn client or that browser gesture first? | 14:47 |
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| cvp | hello | 15:08 |
| Pnuu | yo | 15:08 |
| cvp | whats up ? | 15:09 |
| Pnuu | clouds :-( | 15:12 |
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| cvp | in real live? in LCD-TV? in your brain? or web clouds ? :D | 15:14 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/yrOnQG-ZYyM | 15:15 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Something's up and everyone can see it. | 15:15 |
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| Venemo | good morning everyone | 15:21 |
| cvp | morning ? :D here is 16:21 :D | 15:21 |
| Chaz6 | Good afternoon | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | good evening :P | 15:23 |
| Bysmyyr | "when a user first joins or becomes active, it's considered morning, and when the user leaves or goes away, it is evening. This is also known as Universal Greeting Time (UGT)." http://freenode.net/faq.shtml | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | lol | 15:24 |
| Bysmyyr | that is official :) | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | * according to freenode | 15:24 |
| Bysmyyr | we are in freenode now | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | or are we | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | is transferring pics to ios6 via bluetooth a no go? | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | (from n9 or jolla or whatever) | 15:25 |
| Venemo | it is always morning on IRC | 15:26 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: this is not an iOS channel | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | tbh, i never tried it, i used it yesterday as an example of apple being closed | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | no, but it's related to jolla innit | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | i've just tried it with my jolla too | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | was wondering if anybody knows, that's all | 15:26 |
| Venemo | no idea | 15:26 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: sending doesn't work from the phone | 15:27 |
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| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/1302/bluetooth-file-transfer-for-all-file-types/ | 15:27 |
| Pnuu | ah, no! it works for pics :-P | 15:27 |
| Pnuu | read correctly but interpreter failed | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | yeah, works for pics | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | just did it with the n9 | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | what i'm thinking about is migration, of course | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | right now it's a pain to migrate from ios to anything | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | i believe it shall continue to be a pain | 15:28 |
| entil | someone here pinged me about the guy who's doing commhistory, but I can't remember who pinged and who the guy was :< | 15:28 |
| entil | anyone? | 15:28 |
| entil | found what might be a real bug or whatever issue in the group api | 15:29 |
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| w00t | entil: special, but he's not around atm | 15:29 |
| entil | and it was you, w00t, thanks :) | 15:29 |
| entil | if (!remoteUid.isEmpty()) q+= "Groups.remoteUids = :remoteuid "; | 15:29 |
| entil | they're stored \n (or \r\n or whatever) separated in the db but the c++ api takes a QString | 15:29 |
| entil | I'll just join my data accordingly but it would be neat if this was coherent ;) | 15:30 |
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| cvp | SSH Root is username: devel-su and the same pw like for terminal ? | 15:38 |
| Pnuu | yes | 15:38 |
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| shanttu | using cutespotify i feel the general volume adjusting steps are too far away each other. When using headphones I cannot adjust volume to optimal level, it's either too low or too loud. Hard to find the right words to submit to together.jolla | 15:45 |
| parasemic | well, together. isnt even for 3rd party apps | 15:47 |
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| parasemic | go talk to Elleo | 15:47 |
| shanttu | true, just assumed it's the same on system level. | 15:48 |
| parasemic | try it out? | 15:49 |
| Elleo | shanttu: nah, cutespotify has to do its own volume stuff manually to work around this: https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/ | 15:49 |
| Elleo | I'll look at the steps the system volume makes and see if I can match them better | 15:49 |
| Elleo | I'd guess maybe I should be doing it logarithmically or something | 15:49 |
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| shanttu | Elleo, thanks! | 15:51 |
| Elleo | no worries :) | 15:51 |
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| narchie | Elleo: the player currently cuts the last 4 seconds or so. the spotify client on my old E7 used to do that as well, but it doesn't cut anything in the dalvik version - why is this? | 16:06 |
| Elleo | narchie: not sure, I'll look into it | 16:06 |
| Elleo | I hadn't really noticed it happening, but I wasn't listening for it | 16:06 |
| Elleo | might be clearing the audio buffer when a new song starts or something, I'll have to check | 16:07 |
| Morpog_PC | elleo, I can confirm the cutting | 16:07 |
| narchie | Elleo: alright. it's really annoying when you try listening to albums with songs segueing into each other | 16:07 |
| Elleo | Morpog_PC: okay, thanks | 16:08 |
| narchie | otherwise I found it to work well and it looks great | 16:08 |
| Elleo | good :) | 16:10 |
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| Elleo | I have to go out for a bit, but I'll have a poke at that one when I get back :) | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, only the volume workaround sucks (I know Jolla needs to fix that) | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | otherwise its pretty cool already | 16:10 |
| Morpog_PC | N9 version had that playlist when clicking the bottom bar, I guess that will come later? | 16:11 |
| Elleo | Morpog_PC: yeah, I need to fix some stuff with the slippy slidey song changer part of that first | 16:11 |
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| Elleo | right, back later; bye :) | 16:13 |
| Morpog_PC | cya | 16:13 |
| narchie | cya! | 16:13 |
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| PeperJohnny | Hey anyone else have the problem that when you attach your white toh it says there is a problem with the store toh doesnt work? | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: i've just done it and i had no problem | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | then again, my tohd.service is stopped | 16:26 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: yeah i activated my tohd only for this purpose but no luck =( | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | does store open normally? | 16:27 |
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| PeperJohnny | Moment please | 16:28 |
| cvp | Sure that the name for SSH is devel-su ? because i cant connect :( access denied | 16:28 |
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| PeperJohnny | cvp: its nemo | 16:28 |
| cvp | yes now work :D thanks | 16:29 |
| Pnuu | cvp: devel-su is the command you can use to gain root access when logged in | 16:29 |
| PeperJohnny | Yaniel: it opens for a second says there is a problem with the store and then other half is not working | 16:29 |
| PeperJohnny | and store closes | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: just tried it | 16:30 |
| Pnuu | PeperJohnny: try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | and reliazed it's teh first time i'm downloading snow white :P | 16:30 |
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| CoderCandy | Is it possible to organize apps in groups? | 16:32 |
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| ggabriel | CoderCandy: you mean folders? there is a request for that in tjc | 16:32 |
| CoderCandy | ah, okay | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | go vote :) | 16:32 |
| * ggabriel wants that too | 16:32 | |
| CoderCandy | and yes, folders :p | 16:32 |
| CoderCandy | where vote? | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | together.jolla.com | 16:33 |
| CoderCandy | god i hate ircing on touchdevices... | 16:33 |
| PeperJohnny | Pnuu: Store works fine, however toh seems not to | 16:33 |
| Pnuu | CoderCandy: https://together.jolla.com/question/291/folder-support-in-app-launcher/ | 16:34 |
| Pnuu | PeperJohnny: ok, misread :-) | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | CoderCandy: you'll love it when we have the keyboard other half (you can vote for that one too :P ) | 16:35 |
| CoderCandy | danke | 16:35 |
| CoderCandy | haha, yeah | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | s/have/get/ | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | in fact, one person is going to die of jealousy when i show him that | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | on a separate note, my phone has been running on battery since saturday | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | granted i'm not using as a main phone | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | but i factory reset it, upgraded it, played with it every day | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | still trying to get it to shut down on its own | 16:37 |
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| CoderCandy | ... tjc works horribly in the jolla browser! | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | yep | 16:38 |
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| ggabriel | ^ | 16:38 |
| Yaniel | as do many other pages | 16:38 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: it shut down on my first day with the device ;) | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: ofc i've got tohd.service off | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | and no sim card | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | but still... | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | long battery life makes me a happy panda | 16:39 |
| pdanek | Only 1 Android app at the time works in multitasking? :O | 16:39 |
| PeperJohnny | pdanek: yep seems so | 16:39 |
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| PeperJohnny | at least my stumbleupon restarts if i switch to whatsapp | 16:39 |
| ggabriel | alien dalvik is just a virtual android, i believe whatever is in the front will be left running, then notifications and alike will work | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | android doesn't multitask in the good old fashion | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | +way | 16:40 |
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| PeperJohnny | Well at least i'm not alone with this error -> | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | A heart of gold but it lost its pride | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Beautiful veins and bloodshot eyes | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | I've seen your face in another light | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | In too deep and out of time | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | A simple man and his blushin' bride | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | (Why'd you have to go and let it die?) | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Interveinious, intertwined | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | (Why'd you have to go and let it die?) | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Heart's gone cold, your hands were tied | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | (Why'd you have to go and let it die?) | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | (Why'd you have to go and let it die?) | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | In too deep and out of time | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:41 |
| PeperJohnny | Do you ever think of me? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | You're so considerate | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Do you ever think of me? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Oh, so considerate | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | In too deep and lost in time | 16:42 |
| Pnuu | haaay, comeon! | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Beautiful veins and bloodshot eyes | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Heart's gone cold and hands are tied | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Do you ever think of me? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | You're so considerate | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Did you ever think of me? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Oh, so considerate | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | In too deep and lost in time | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Beautiful veins and bloodshot eyes | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Hearts' gone cold and hands are tied | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| Waitee | /ignore PeperJohnny | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let this die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let this die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let this die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let this die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Why'd you have to go and let it die? | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Sorry | 16:42 |
| Pnuu | /kick PeperJohnny | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | I meant this one https://together.jolla.com/question/5330/connecting-white-other-half-give-error/ | 16:42 |
| PeperJohnny | Im so sorry =( | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | /kill PeperJohnny | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | sorry, kick | 16:42 |
| leinir | you, sir, are a derp ;) | 16:42 |
| Waitee | :D | 16:42 |
| Chaz6 | Oops wrong paste | 16:42 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 16:42 |
| entil | feels like the nineties right here with the flood | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | issi has a feature for that | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | s/issi/irssi/ | 16:43 |
| Chaz6 | My client asks me if i try to paste anything over 3 lines | 16:43 |
| leinir | konversation does too - useful :) | 16:44 |
| Waitee | my client asks me if i try to paste anything at all | 16:44 |
| Waitee | cant remember the command though | 16:44 |
| entil | PeperJohnny's CTCP VERSION is for konversation, guess it didn't ask that much ;P | 16:44 |
| leinir | well, some people ignore it, for whatever reason, tick the "don't ask me again, this will never be a problem, because I know best!" option ;) | 16:45 |
| PeperJohnny | Nope but it will in the future :D sometimes you win, sometimes you learn ;) | 16:45 |
| walokra | irssi is your client, don't keep other clients :) | 16:46 |
| Waitee | i use irssi but i liked how nice konversation was | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: thanks, i quite like the snow white ambience :P | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | i thought that that was the limited edition one | 16:48 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: you're welcome ;) | 16:48 |
| Waitee | i guess i can unignore him | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | it wasn't that bad | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | luckily lyrics these days aren't that long | 16:49 |
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| Milo- | PeperJohnny that song sounds horrible. | 17:04 |
| Milo- | oh it was foo fighters, no wonder.. | 17:05 |
| PeperJohnny | Milo-: ;) | 17:05 |
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| ggabriel | this one may need love for all security enthusiasts: https://together.jolla.com/question/6975/bug-screen-turns-on-after-locking-potentially-a-security-issue/ | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | i've got a lock code, and while the phone is locked (screen off), the phone unlocked itself to show the low battery warning :) | 17:07 |
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| cvp | who else is on the c-base at 04.01.14 - 21:00h ? | 17:16 |
| cvp | :) | 17:16 |
| PeperJohnny | and you can use it then quite normally? startings apps and such? | 17:16 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: is that for me? the answer is yes | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | but it'd be good if anybody could reproduce in case i made a mistake | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | in the meantime, better to be paranoid ;-) | 17:17 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: what an odd bug, ill try to reproduce it, if it's on low battery | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | i promise i noticed it just by chance, and by chance that question was raised | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | nb: there are 2 ways to lock: you lock yourself, or you let the screen go blank. in my case, both should lock, as i've got no delayed lock | 17:18 |
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| ggabriel | evening everybody | 17:27 |
| Mirv | I can't find information at together.j.c, so asking here: is there a workaround now that if using Laadunjärvi release and check for updates, one does not run into the upgrade problems potentially again if updating apps first? | 17:28 |
| Mirv | or the apps upgrades aren't available anymore before the sys upgrade has been done | 17:29 |
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| Mirv | it seems ~everyone active enough to communicate at t.j.c or tmo or murobbs has devel mode activated, so I don't find how's it currently for the average person who has purchased Jolla from DNA store is for example would check for updates now | 17:36 |
| Mirv | ie is it still simply factory reset / lose all data or not | 17:36 |
| Quu | hmm? | 17:37 |
| Quu | if you dont have dev-mode activated, iirc only way to "fix" that is to factory reset | 17:38 |
| Mirv | Quu: ie this https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ but without devel mode enabled ie not possible to upgrade Store from command line | 17:38 |
| Quu | yeah | 17:38 |
| Mirv | Quu: yeah, I was just wondering whether there'll be some sort of other workaround for people who eg. purchase Joll from the store right now | 17:38 |
| Quu | probably not | 17:39 |
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| Pnuu | Mirv: I think the email app was updated so that shouldn't happen anymore | 17:39 |
| Pnuu | not sure, though | 17:40 |
| Mirv | Pnuu: yeah I now found too http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/major-software-update-available-1-0-2-5/msg2355/?PHPSESSID=3a020fe793c80f9b7cb938809f954c79#msg2355 "AFAIK the E-Mail update was reverted for the time being as it was the cause of the trouble breaking the store." | 17:40 |
| Mirv | I hope that's true, it'd be worth maybe confirming by a sailor at the together.jolla.com | 17:40 |
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| Quu | so, any way to see logs from before reboot? | 17:43 |
| Quu | journal-whatever only shows what happens after boot | 17:43 |
| Quu | this thing boots every 20 minutes when im not in home-wlan and i have no idea why | 17:43 |
| Pnuu | I saw a sed magick by stskeeps that will do that, just a sec | 17:43 |
| Quu | i did that yesterday | 17:44 |
| Quu | and it does nothing | 17:44 |
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| Quu | unless i typoed. | 17:44 |
| Pnuu | sed -i s/volatile/persistent/g /etc/systemd/journald.conf | 17:44 |
| Pnuu | that one? | 17:44 |
| Quu | yes | 17:44 |
| Pnuu | mkay | 17:44 |
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| Quu | with that, i have some "logfiles" at uhm | 17:46 |
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| Quu | /var/log/journal/randomletters'n'numbers/ | 17:47 |
| Quu | system.journal (what seems to be corrupted and cant be opened) and system@004+randomletters-morerrandom.journal~ | 17:47 |
| teve | what happens if you add --since=2013-12-28 to journalctl cmd? | 17:48 |
| tehdely | my jolla is out for delivery | 17:49 |
| tehdely | wow! such excite! v. unlike | 17:49 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 17:59 |
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| Venemo | anyone here still remembering the atmosphere of the N900 / N950 times? | 17:59 |
| Venemo | I created a thread about developer experience at https://together.jolla.com/question/7029/idea-developer-experience-dev-device-programs-etc/ | 17:59 |
| leszek | hi, after the new update I don't have any sound in android apps. Anyone heard of it and has a solution ? | 17:59 |
| Pnuu | leszek: someone got the sounds back after an extra reboot | 18:00 |
| leszek | Pnuu: did that already | 18:01 |
| leszek | trying to restart aliendalvik now, hope that helps | 18:01 |
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| leszek | hmm... did not help | 18:03 |
| leszek | damn it | 18:03 |
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| TemeV | leszek: i had no sounds on android apps this morning. I don't remember rebooting or anything, it just magically fixed it self | 18:15 |
| fk_lx | leszek: reboot it few times, it worked for me after third reboot | 18:16 |
| TemeV | I installed some sound manager app from yandex to check the volume levels | 18:16 |
| leszek | TemeV: yeah found out that it seems when gstreamer opens up a stream it blocks sound for android apps | 18:16 |
| leszek | so video paused in gallery causes android apps to not have access to soundcard | 18:16 |
| TemeV | iirc I closed all the android apps manually (remove from the list or whatever it is called) and then I caught sounds back to spotify | 18:17 |
| leszek | yeah I need a volume level app aswell, as now after I discovered this my sound in android app is pretty low | 18:17 |
| TemeV | ei removed the volume app since I have no propblem with volume levels | 18:18 |
| leszek | interestingly enough I never had the problem before with aliendalvik. So their "improvements" are the culprit | 18:18 |
| TemeV | phones own speaker is quite silent, but who wants to listen to it anyway | 18:19 |
| leinir | TemeV: you know the answer to that question if you've ever gone on public transport where there's a group of kids present ;) | 18:19 |
| TemeV | true | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | jolla device is for the world we'd like to see | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | with those damn kids off our lawn with their loud phone loudspeakers | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:20 |
| leinir | ;) | 18:20 |
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| TemeV | there should be some law that prevents using that speaker for music | 18:21 |
| TemeV | but I've solved the problem by using earphones | 18:22 |
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| TemeV | the block annoying teenagers quite efficiently | 18:22 |
| TemeV | *they | 18:22 |
| TemeV | Has anyone made research on how keeping facebook and google talk effects on battery life | 18:23 |
| TemeV | ? | 18:23 |
| TemeV | *keeping them online | 18:23 |
| TemeV | Testing battery life is interesting, but damn slow prosess. I run out of patience to properly do it :) | 18:25 |
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| narchie | TemeV: you need to buy another Jolla for testing purposes ;) | 18:27 |
| TemeV | yeah | 18:27 |
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| narchie | or try reaching a partnership exchanging empirical battery usage data for a free Jolla phone | 18:28 |
| TemeV | that would be nice, but I doubt they would give me one if they didn't give them for devs :( | 18:29 |
| TemeV | http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/jolla-puhelin/295384307 | 18:30 |
| TemeV | though there seems to be quite cheap used devices | 18:30 |
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| narchie | all the iphone users selling their phones | 18:30 |
| TemeV | I can't quite understand selling the phone. Even if it isn't good enough now, I would wait a couple of months for updates and try again | 18:32 |
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| TemeV | another facebook question: Should I get some notification about group chat messages | 18:37 |
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| AL13N | gah, i'm appalled | 18:41 |
| AL13N | someone has the nerve to say "safe"(meaning secure) and "cloud" in the same sentence... | 18:41 |
| AL13N | plz downvote that answer: https://together.jolla.com/question/1061/keychain-linked-to-toh/ | 18:41 |
| AL13N | so idiotic | 18:42 |
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| parasemic | your answer makes you look like a retarded child, tho | 18:44 |
| AL13N | parasemic: you mean my comment? | 18:45 |
| parasemic | yes. | 18:45 |
| AL13N | it just show the mental state of me that this guy triggered | 18:45 |
| parasemic | his answer is actually pretty good, and "cloud" can be synonym for any server connection | 18:46 |
| AL13N | even still | 18:46 |
| TemeV | does he mean that the keychain would be in cloud? | 18:46 |
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| AL13N | you're never keeping the NSA away with this kind of stuff | 18:47 |
| parasemic | in the first sentence he says "if the content is not wanted to be saved on phone" | 18:47 |
| parasemic | with that, is pretty obvious some kind of cloud is needed | 18:47 |
| TemeV | yeah | 18:48 |
| AL13N | security-wise this is a bad idea | 18:48 |
| parasemic | replace word "cloud" with a word "server" and it is a really good idea | 18:48 |
| AL13N | even if you have a server someplace | 18:48 |
| parasemic | now go grow up, kkthx | 18:48 |
| AL13N | it's in a datacenter where others have access, or it's a VPS where others have access, etc.. | 18:48 |
| TemeV | why would it be saved to cloud when it can be saved to toh? | 18:48 |
| AL13N | plus that too | 18:48 |
| AL13N | parasemic: well, maybe i don't wanna grow up | 18:48 |
| parasemic | great, well that's not my problem | 18:49 |
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| AL13N | true that | 18:49 |
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| TemeV | keychain does not contain much data, it could be easily saved to toh | 18:49 |
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| AL13N | but yes | 18:49 |
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| AL13N | and transferring secure keys is just adding more points of failure | 18:50 |
| AL13N | (or monitoring) | 18:50 |
| AL13N | it may be a good idea for another question, but not this one | 18:50 |
| AL13N | people who'd implement keychains like this have some serious mental flaws IMNSHO | 18:50 |
| parasemic | can you please stop acting like an angry teenager? | 18:51 |
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| AL13N | parasemic: fine, but i AM sort of angry | 18:52 |
| AL13N | i'll go cool off a bit | 18:52 |
| parasemic | if youre hosting your own personal server, i doubt anyone else has access to it | 18:53 |
| parasemic | unless you fuckup | 18:53 |
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| AL13N | parasemic: at $dayjob, we have a rack which is locked with a key in a datacenter | 19:01 |
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| AL13N | but | 19:01 |
| AL13N | the datacenter people have access to it | 19:01 |
| AL13N | also, the ISP uplink is in the datacenter too | 19:01 |
| AL13N | those people could also monitor traffic | 19:01 |
| parasemic | if you don't trust anybody, why dont you host your own personal server in your house? | 19:02 |
| AL13N | if you have a VPS a virtual machine or whatever, you also have the host machine people having access to it | 19:02 |
| AL13N | parasemic: i do have a personal server in my own house | 19:02 |
| AL13N | why do you ask? | 19:02 |
| parasemic | well then, why cant you use that for your cloud needs? | 19:02 |
| AL13N | the question is about keychains, this is something that needs to be ultrasecure | 19:02 |
| AL13N | a cloud is hardly a server, plus other people can use part of my network | 19:03 |
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| AL13N | you can never be secure enough | 19:03 |
| AL13N | and everything is hackable | 19:04 |
| parasemic | true, however if, as the answer stated, somebody wants to not save the info on the phone, cloud/server/whatever is the only possibility | 19:04 |
| parasemic | and his answer is good for that | 19:04 |
| AL13N | but, you can make it difficult or at the very least make them spend enough time for it to not be as useful anymore for them | 19:04 |
| parasemic | i dont see your point | 19:04 |
| AL13N | this is about keychains? | 19:04 |
| parasemic | yes | 19:04 |
| AL13N | if you save your stuff in a cloud, you sure as hell don't need a keychain | 19:05 |
| parasemic | yeah | 19:05 |
| parasemic | can you read | 19:05 |
| AL13N | plus the very sentence: "safe" in the "cloud" | 19:05 |
| AL13N | gah, i can't even think about it | 19:05 |
| parasemic | if, somebody, for some reason, want to not hold the info on the phone, then that answer is pretty good | 19:05 |
| parasemic | stop raging like a child. | 19:06 |
| AL13N | it can't be good, because you're making unsecure advices to people | 19:06 |
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| AL13N | i'd more understand if you had a keychain dangling on a personal usb stick or something | 19:07 |
| AL13N | but the cloud, gah | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | microsd? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:07 |
| AL13N | anyway, let's just agree to disagree | 19:07 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: sure :-) | 19:07 |
| parasemic | i never even disagreed | 19:08 |
| AL13N | if the TOH had a removable microsd slot and your microsd is stored in a fingerprinted container dangling on your neck | 19:08 |
| parasemic | i said you acted like a angry teenager and you should't post comments like that because its fucking stupidd | 19:08 |
| AL13N | let's agree to disagree that you think that answer could be useful in some cases | 19:08 |
| AL13N | which i still think it doesn't | 19:08 |
| AL13N | i think a stupid answer can deserve a stupid comment | 19:09 |
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| AL13N | maybe i should've just deleted it instead | 19:10 |
| AL13N | though that wouldn't be right | 19:10 |
| parasemic | I think you should have explained why do you disagree, youknow, like an adult | 19:10 |
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| AL13N | parasemic: maybe i should have elaborated more on that | 19:37 |
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| |disharmonic| | so the jolla store needs some serious work | 19:41 |
| |disharmonic| | Also whats with the timer in the Wifi password setting? | 19:42 |
| |disharmonic| | Hello btw :p | 19:42 |
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| Fazu | Hi, anyone else here experiencing random shutdowns with Jolla? Any ideas how to fix this? | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Fazu: do you have developer mode? | 19:58 |
| Milo- | Fazu on a table or on a pocket? | 19:58 |
| Fazu | nope | 19:58 |
| Milo- | on a table or in a pocket*? | 19:58 |
| Fazu | and both | 19:58 |
| Milo- | https://together.jolla.com/question/320/prevent-accidental-shutdown/ | 19:59 |
| Milo- | that's been an issue to me. | 19:59 |
| Fazu | first noticed after taking outr from pocket. Now doing the same on the table | 19:59 |
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| Tofe | I'm currently being unable to save some settings in some android apps, would it be related to the bug about directory rights ? | 20:00 |
| Fazu | Hmm more things happening now. It refuses to turn on | 20:00 |
| Fazu | Jolla logo appers for roughly 10 seconds then the red LED turns on and it shuts down | 20:00 |
| Fazu | batterylevel about 75% | 20:00 |
| Milo- | try removing battery and then again | 20:01 |
| Fazu | This started today for no apparent reason. Haven't installed anything since last update over the week end | 20:01 |
| Fazu | tried allready, but might aswell try again =) | 20:01 |
| AL13N | Fazu: you didn't know? reboots are only effective if you do them 3 times :-) | 20:02 |
| Fazu | ofcourse :D silly me | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | Fazu: you finland based? | 20:03 |
| Fazu | yes | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | nearby helsinki? :P | 20:03 |
| Milo- | in finland you need to add +2, because we use GMT+2 timezone. | 20:03 |
| Tofe | hehe | 20:03 |
| Fazu | in espoo actually so yes =) | 20:03 |
| Fazu | aaaah makes sense =) | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so in case it stays like that, you can probably take it to service | 20:03 |
| Fazu | yup, let's see if it'll pass =) | 20:04 |
| Milo- | Fazu https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/ <- I'm guessing this is you? | 20:05 |
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| Fazu | ok so now it booted up =) batterylevel still the same 75% let's see how long it stays on now =) | 20:06 |
| Milo- | or someone who just read this conversation and posted your issues. | 20:06 |
| Fazu | amm no, haven't made any posts prior to this channel | 20:06 |
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| Fazu | wow =) | 20:06 |
| Fazu | 2 minutes ago ? =) | 20:07 |
| Milo- | yeah | 20:07 |
| Fazu | so a software issue ? | 20:07 |
| Fazu | hmm | 20:07 |
| Fazu | well I'll report what happens now on | 20:07 |
| Milo- | I just started searching through Together to see if anyone else has such issues | 20:07 |
| Fazu | I'll leave it on the table and check it time to time | 20:07 |
| Milo- | and as I was searching, someone posted it :) | 20:07 |
| Milo- | Fazu you might want to login to Together and upvote that issue | 20:08 |
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| Fazu | and it's odd, since it just started happening today | 20:08 |
| Milo- | and rant about your issue as well | 20:08 |
| Milo- | did you do sw update today? | 20:08 |
| Fazu | haven't installed any new apps or anything | 20:08 |
| Fazu | no I did it over the week end | 20:08 |
| Fazu | 2 days ago | 20:08 |
| mord | sometimes the gesture recognition goes all wonky, usually after the device has been on for a couple of days. i get notifications when trying to close an app, close an app when trying to swipe it away from the foreground etc. this doesn't persist over reboots so i assume $something gets corrupted along the way (running the latest public release) | 20:08 |
| messerting | Hi, I just got my Jolla. When I try to open the store, I see the cover icon, it says "Loading..." and then it disappears. Have tried several reboots. Any ideas? | 20:08 |
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| messerting | I have enabled developer mode - where are the relevant log files? There's no /var/log/messages. | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | messerting: https://together.jolla.com/question/6501/system-log-files/ | 20:10 |
| messerting | Stskeeps: Thanks | 20:10 |
| Milo- | how come calculator's pulley menu is on the bottom, instead of top? | 20:11 |
| Pnuu | messerting: check if this helps: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 20:12 |
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| messerting | Pnuu: Thanks, will try | 20:15 |
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| Pnuu | I bet I've pasted that url 50 times so far :-) | 20:15 |
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| Milo- | Stupid yards and miles.. I want my phone to be english, but use metric system rather than semi-imperial. | 20:17 |
| ottulo | +1 | 20:18 |
| messerting | Pnuu: Wow, thanks, that worked. I fscking love the hackability! /cc Stskeeps | 20:18 |
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| Milo- | oh.. I don't need to make my own configuration for this, because someone already did it. http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 20:20 |
| Pnuu | messerting: :-) | 20:20 |
| Milo- | cheers Jukka Aaltonen, who ever you are. | 20:20 |
| tango_ | so the camera segfaulted right after taking a video | 20:22 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: configure a faq on Merbot for that url | 20:23 |
| Venemo | how do I know if the network is plain 3G or HSDPA? or if it's plain 2G or EDGE? | 20:23 |
| Pnuu | it's one grep away anyway :-) | 20:23 |
| Venemo | the UI doesn't seem to have a distinction between them | 20:24 |
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| tobiski | Venemo: I just upvoted one topic on tjc, was it made by you or have you seen it? | 20:26 |
| tobiski | It was about cellular connection info | 20:26 |
| Venemo | tobiski: I haven't seen it, gimme a link please | 20:28 |
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| tobiski | how do you paste in fingerterm? | 20:31 |
| tobiski | you might find it quicker yourself. it's on the first page | 20:31 |
| tobiski | oh, can't paste something copied in android app | 20:33 |
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| tobiski | can't pasre anything to fingerterm. Even if it is copied from sailfish browser | 20:35 |
| teve | tobiski: https://together.jolla.com/question/832/system-wide-clipboard-copy-paste-capability/ | 20:36 |
| tobiski | teve: thank's for the link | 20:41 |
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| Kuus2 | "This is exactly what I like about Jolla. Communication." | 20:58 |
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| Kuus2 | I guess to some directions it works ok, but as a customer been having impossible time reaching them for weeks I feel a bit differently. | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | Kuus2: care@ ? | 20:59 |
| Kuus2 | No answer. Ticket been up since 9.12 | 20:59 |
| w00t | Milo-: make sure to vote https://together.jolla.com/question/836/nokia-here-unit-system-in-maps/ up | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | Kuus2: :nod: the chaps are basically overloaded, they're trying their best to get through the pile | 20:59 |
| Milo- | w00t I'll try to remember once my votes reset. := | 21:00 |
| Milo- | :) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | Kuus2: us in SW are a little more free now, so that's where a lot of communication is happening | 21:00 |
| Milo- | the nutjob forum thinks I have voted 50 times today. Well, 70, as I actually have -20 votes left. | 21:00 |
| w00t | Milo-: i voted for it, since it bugs me too the few times I'm in english :) | 21:00 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: i also suspect the holidays are related to that as well | 21:01 |
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| Milo- | the search feature at Together isn't very good. | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: holidays don't help, no | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | Kuus2: what's your issue on, if i may ask? | 21:04 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: that's an understatement :) | 21:04 |
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| Milo- | ggabriel I tried to be brief and polite, while I was swearing at my car on GT6 for spinning.. again.. | 21:05 |
| Kuus2 | My phone is lost somewhere in Itella's chain. 2 different orders were sent using the same tracking number. | 21:05 |
| Kuus2 | Annoying thing is it was ready for pick up for couple hours | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Kuus2: eep | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Kuus2: i don't have any visibility to that stuff sadly, care and logistics are the only ones who can sort you out | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | Kuus2: hope you'll get a reply when their piles down after newyears | 21:11 |
| Kuus2 | Yup, hope so. Dont really want to cancel the preorder either. | 21:12 |
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| shanttu | damn, android spotify not working again, audio stops after 7 seconds. care to help? logcat here http://pastebin.com/sj356dBP | 21:34 |
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| ggabriel | thanks for retagging AL13N | 21:37 |
| ggabriel | nice to have looks better | 21:37 |
| AL13N | shanttu: https://together.jolla.com/question/4101/android-apps-loses-audio-resolved/ | 21:38 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: it was used before as well | 21:38 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: i've seen eric trying to trim tags a bit | 21:38 |
| ggabriel | i didn't think about it | 21:38 |
| AL13N | this eric dude is all over, if you haven't noticed | 21:38 |
| nebuk | thank you Stskeeps. my Jolla is alive again with all the files and settings intact. | 21:38 |
| ggabriel | maybe it's a daemon | 21:38 |
| shanttu | AL13N, thanks, but already tried multiple times | 21:38 |
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| AL13N | shanttu: have you tried systemctl stop aliendalvik.service ; sleep 30; systemctl start aliendalvik.service ? | 21:39 |
| AL13N | shanttu: did you make any audio settings via android? | 21:39 |
| AL13N | shanttu: https://together.jolla.com/question/2218/audio-settings-not-affecting-android/ | 21:40 |
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| shanttu | AL13N, yes I have adjusted volume settings with Volume Booster and everything worked fine for a couple of days. same "7 seconds of spotify audio" started again today. tried 30 sec sleep before restart, not working, same messages on logcat. | 21:44 |
| shanttu | W/AudioService(10342): RemoteControlClient died | 21:46 |
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| Venemo | good night sailors! | 21:49 |
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| AL13N | shanttu: perhaps it's a bug in the spotify client (or in the aliendalvik interpretation of it), i donno | 21:52 |
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| shanttu | AL13N, thanks for your help anyway. Glad to notice that help is given when it's asked. | 21:55 |
| ggabriel | shanttu: AL13N is the alien in alien dalvik ;-) | 21:55 |
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| AL13N | shanttu: we try, but i don't even have a Jolla myself :-) | 21:56 |
| * ggabriel doesn't want to pollute his jolla with android just yet | 21:57 | |
| AL13N | ggabriel: gah, don't joke about that... if there's one part i think is less important on Jolla, it's the android compatibility layer... there need to be more native apps | 21:57 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: exactly | 21:57 |
| ggabriel | it's kind of sad that i'll need to wait for meecast/meerun | 21:57 |
| ggabriel | but hey | 21:57 |
| ggabriel | they'll come eventually | 21:57 |
| AL13N | people are working on meecast | 21:57 |
| ggabriel | and meerun | 21:57 |
| ggabriel | although meerun will be a paid up | 21:58 |
| ggabriel | more than happy to pay again for it though | 21:58 |
| AL13N | http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works | 21:58 |
| AL13N | i didn't see any meerun | 21:58 |
| ggabriel | the author said he was working on a sailfish port in tmo | 21:59 |
| AL13N | i've seen the meecast author asking devs questions on stuff on mailinglist | 21:59 |
| ggabriel | if you have an n9, it's free (from warehouse) | 21:59 |
| AL13N | what do they do anyway? | 21:59 |
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| ggabriel | meerun=sports tracker like | 21:59 |
| ggabriel | meecast=weather | 22:00 |
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| ggabriel | meerun exports each activity in a standard format, that sold me :) | 22:00 |
| AL13N | you mean like the basic timer? | 22:00 |
| ggabriel | well, no | 22:00 |
| ggabriel | it has map integration, records speed, altitude, route, laps, and so on | 22:00 |
| ggabriel | you can attach a heart rate monitor | 22:00 |
| * AL13N ups eyebrow | 22:00 | |
| AL13N | what is this running you speak of? | 22:01 |
| AL13N | is it a different form of sitting, | 22:01 |
| AL13N | ? | 22:01 |
| ggabriel | :) | 22:01 |
| ggabriel | it's what you do when you must catch that bus/train ;) | 22:01 |
| raa70 | the most inefficient way of transportation since the dawn of times | 22:01 |
| AL13N | what's this public transport you speak of? | 22:01 |
| ggabriel | meerun also works for cycling | 22:01 |
| AL13N | what's this cycling you speak of? | 22:02 |
| AL13N | etc... | 22:02 |
| ggabriel | which is much better than car/public transport in some cities | 22:02 |
| kelvan | ggabriel: sounds nice, sportstracker with it's propritary format was pita, no idea how to convert all my sportstracker files :/ | 22:02 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: i gave up and switched to meerun | 22:02 |
| AL13N | but | 22:02 |
| AL13N | why do you need this? | 22:02 |
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| AL13N | isn't running just to get a better condition? | 22:02 |
| AL13N | does it matter how much you've done? | 22:02 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: i particularly find it hard to regulate my speed | 22:03 |
| AL13N | isn't the results more important? | 22:03 |
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| ggabriel | depends | 22:03 |
| ggabriel | i can run 5km very quickly or 12-15km at a more controlled speed | 22:03 |
| ggabriel | and it's nice to know how you progress in time | 22:03 |
| AL13N | but, isn't the important part how much better you've become in strenght and condition? | 22:03 |
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| AL13N | oic | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: that's one side of it | 22:04 |
| AL13N | progress | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | for example, if you are training for a marathon, you have to see how much you can do | 22:04 |
| AL13N | yeah, i don't get much of this | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | you have to know | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | also, it's cool to show friends your route on a map | 22:04 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: why? | 22:04 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: can't you just do and fail? | 22:04 |
| AL13N | until you get it right? | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: in an organised marathon they ask you how fast you'll do it | 22:04 |
| ggabriel | so that they can organise you in groups | 22:05 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: oic... meh, just guess | 22:05 |
| ggabriel | (i've never done one, i know as friends did it) | 22:05 |
| AL13N | aim high | 22:05 |
| ggabriel | :) | 22:05 |
| AL13N | fall low | 22:05 |
| AL13N | if you get where you aim, you're not aiming high enough | 22:05 |
| AL13N | or even near | 22:05 |
| ggabriel | that's what you do when you train | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | also, running helps a lot while waiting for your jolla | 22:06 |
| AL13N | you can train during organized marathons too :-) | 22:06 |
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| AL13N | at the very least you'll be mentally stronger due to handling all the disappointments | 22:06 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: lol | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | hahaha | 22:06 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: didn't you have one already? | 22:06 |
| ggabriel | i have one already | 22:07 |
| ggabriel | but i had to wait for it | 22:07 |
| ggabriel | 3-4 weeks | 22:07 |
| ggabriel | and it took 3-4 weeks | 22:07 |
| AL13N | sure, that's wht they said | 22:07 |
| ggabriel | that's why i never complained | 22:07 |
| AL13N | i sincerely hope they aren't much faster for me, or i'll have trouble | 22:07 |
| AL13N | i delivered at work, so if i'm still on holidays, it would be bad | 22:08 |
| ggabriel | surely they won't open your post | 22:08 |
| AL13N | well, if it's holidays, noone will be there :-) | 22:08 |
| AL13N | i didn't even check status yet | 22:08 |
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| ggabriel | oic | 22:08 |
| AL13N | i don't even remember where i could find the status | 22:08 |
| ggabriel | fedex.com | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | search by reference | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | use your order number | 22:09 |
| AL13N | no, i mean on the jolla site | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | (unless you're in finland) | 22:09 |
| AL13N | the paid vs ... status | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | shop.jolla.com | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | my orders | 22:09 |
| AL13N | what was it, in picking? | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | and so on | 22:09 |
| ggabriel | in picking is before they send it over | 22:09 |
| AL13N | meh, i'll check after holidays | 22:09 |
| AL13N | there's no use in checking it now | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | i tell you what | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | if it's fedex | 22:10 |
| AL13N | knowing the results in all cases doesn't help me | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | and they fail to deliver | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | you can probably set online a redelivery date | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | which may help you | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | else they may return it | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | just saying ;-) | 22:10 |
| AL13N | heh | 22:10 |
| AL13N | we'll cross that bridge when we get to it | 22:10 |
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| AL13N | i'm just that kind of person | 22:11 |
| AL13N | i receive letters and such and i'm coming home, pick them up and put them on the table, because they are in my way | 22:11 |
| AL13N | and then my wife comes and says, you got mail | 22:11 |
| AL13N | and i go; oh yeah, i'll open it at some point | 22:12 |
| ggabriel | maybe your wife should look after your jolla ;-) | 22:12 |
| AL13N | and she goes nuts | 22:12 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: she's my calendar already anyway :-) | 22:12 |
| ggabriel | so that's why you won't need caldav integration to use your jolla as your main phone | 22:12 |
| AL13N | she once asked me... how can you know you have mail and not open it? | 22:12 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: indeed :-) | 22:13 |
| ggabriel | i'm with her | 22:13 |
| AL13N | heh | 22:13 |
| ggabriel | i don't understand how your brain doesn't bug you | 22:13 |
| ggabriel | but somehow i envy you | 22:13 |
| AL13N | "knowing the results in all cases doesn't help me" <-- this is how my brain works | 22:13 |
| AL13N | or "i can check that later" it won't make any difference | 22:14 |
| AL13N | haha | 22:14 |
| AL13N | this reminds me | 22:14 |
| AL13N | i once was at home | 22:14 |
| AL13N | and i called my wife at work, to speak of something and then i said "oh and you have mail" | 22:15 |
| AL13N | she went nuts | 22:15 |
| AL13N | i didn't want to open it, cause it's her mail | 22:15 |
| ggabriel | you shouldn't, it's ilegal | 22:15 |
| AL13N | she called me 3 times during that day to ask stuff (and also to ask me to open it and say from who it was or what it was) | 22:15 |
| ggabriel | or illegal (can't remember the spelling) | 22:16 |
| AL13N | illegal | 22:16 |
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| AL13N | if i receive something that looks like a b-day card 1 day early, i won't open it :-) | 22:16 |
| AL13N | today during lunch too | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I think my initial estimate of 10 days idle was wrong. | 22:17 |
| AL13N | we wait for quite a while and weren't able to order | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | It looks more like 12. | 22:17 |
| AL13N | she asks me to go up and ask them, i tell her, it's no use, they are undermanned, they'll get to us eventually | 22:17 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: nice | 22:18 |
| AL13N | SpeedEvil: did you turn off tohd? | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N: No, I moved the sticker to a different bit of TOH | 22:18 |
| AL13N | ic | 22:18 |
| ggabriel | the specs say 500 hours tho | 22:18 |
| ggabriel | which is over 12 days | 22:18 |
| ggabriel | somebody calculated 500 hours (if you don't even use the screen) | 22:18 |
| cvp | and no data | 22:19 |
| AL13N | 500hours is 21days | 22:19 |
| cvp | perfekt network | 22:19 |
| AL13N | SpeedEvil: btw you shouldn't move the sticker, cause now you're trackable | 22:19 |
| ggabriel | cvp: of course, far from ideal situations | 22:20 |
| ggabriel | but the battery life is very good i'm seeing | 22:20 |
| AL13N | well, i bet they can fix that TOH battery draining thing | 22:21 |
| kelvan | does anybody know when nfc will work for other things than toh? Want to connect to my nokia headset and music receiver | 22:21 |
| cvp | after nfc off over terminal i can use 2 days | 22:21 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: never? there isn't any antenna for that | 22:21 |
| ggabriel | (unless you get another half) | 22:21 |
| ln- | kelvan: you're sure those use nfc? | 22:21 |
| AL13N | kelvan: unsure if it will ever work with this hardware | 22:21 |
| ggabriel | i should test it though | 22:21 |
| kelvan | it works with the toh nfc sticker so why not with other stuff? | 22:22 |
| cvp | 8:00 morning to now 23:21 .... i have 60% ... over night i think it will be take 5% | 22:22 |
| AL13N | kelvan: though it might still be possible, but it will require a definate firmware update first | 22:22 |
| AL13N | at the very least | 22:22 |
| kelvan | it just need to configure the bt connection | 22:22 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | someone have done some measurements http://youtu.be/yirPEaMdW3E | 22:22 |
| ggabriel | kelvan: so many possibilities why not :) | 22:22 |
| AL13N | kelvan: if you hold it very very close with TOH removed, then maybe | 22:22 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: nah, you have different kind of stickers/chips, needing more or less power and so on | 22:23 |
| ggabriel | i have a reader, i should play with it | 22:23 |
| ggabriel | see what the nokia 360's have inside | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | ^The above is with a device loggedinto a wifi network, occasionally reading the battery state, and any subsidiary processes - I suspect twitter - running occasionally | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, 12 days may be beatable. | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But at that point - 8%/day - I'm in the realm of not caring. | 22:24 |
| kelvan | I get -40% for the whole day with active usage | 22:24 |
| kelvan | pretty neat | 22:24 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: anything above 3 days i don't care | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | For a daily used phone, you really care about parasitic drain as one big aspect. | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | If that's under about 25% it's not nearly so big an issue | 22:25 |
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| pdanek1 | I'm quite satisfied with battery (after disabling TOH daemon of course) | 22:33 |
| AL13N | in theory flightmode idle is 3mA stable, battery is 2100mAh ? so 700h of idle flightmode | 22:34 |
| PeterPark | yes iam also | 22:34 |
| ggabriel | pretty useless phone tho, for 700h | 22:35 |
| kelvan | indeed | 22:35 |
| AL13N | true | 22:35 |
| PeterPark | I used my phone 3 days(no wifi no data, only phone, music and fiddling around for 3 days) | 22:35 |
| kelvan | especially with the fast boot process of jolla | 22:35 |
| AL13N | if it's idle normally, it goes back to 3mA, but it spikes at sometimes 100mA | 22:35 |
| PeterPark | 21% now | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: not completely. | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: For example, I could imagine a 'check for messages every 12 hours' mode to be quite useful. | 22:36 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: yes, i know, i'm kinda joking | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:36 |
| ggabriel | if you want it to last 700 hours, don't use it and put it in flight mode | 22:36 |
| ggabriel | and then tell your friends | 22:36 |
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| AL13N | probably average on regular idle would be ~10mA = 210h =~ 10days | 22:37 |
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| ggabriel | you realize that if that's true, _that_ will be the main USP, right? | 22:37 |
| AL13N | well, i'm pretty sure they are doing bugs and functionality now, power reduction optimization will come at a later date | 22:38 |
| ggabriel | even if it lasts 5 days with normal use | 22:38 |
| * ggabriel remembers motorola ad that says 48 hours is extraordinary | 22:38 | |
| AL13N | when you intensively use it, it can spike to 700mA which would mean about 3h lifetime | 22:38 |
| AL13N | if you could keep that spike | 22:38 |
| AL13N | like as a bitcoin miner :-) | 22:39 |
| pdanek1 | what if you get lost in jungle and you still wanna play your Angry BIrds | 22:39 |
| pdanek1 | you need big battery | 22:39 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:39 |
| ggabriel | if i get lost in the jungle | 22:39 |
| ggabriel | the first thing i wanna do is play angry birds | 22:39 |
| pdanek1 | of course :P | 22:40 |
| ggabriel | but yeah | 22:40 |
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| ggabriel | we have toh with extra battery right? | 22:40 |
| ggabriel | keyboard+extra bat | 22:40 |
| AL13N | additional TOH with extra battery and photocells | 22:40 |
| ggabriel | and then that's it | 22:40 |
| AL13N | the photocells! | 22:40 |
| AL13N | that's what does it | 22:40 |
| ggabriel | you have energy for ever | 22:40 |
| pdanek1 | Actually | 22:40 |
| pdanek1 | I could play real Angry Birds | 22:40 |
| pdanek1 | with real birds in jungle | 22:41 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | my thoughts exactly | 22:41 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | altho pigs aren't a jungle animal | 22:41 |
| pdanek1 | hmm | 22:41 |
| AL13N | well, there's the rio thing? | 22:41 |
| pdanek1 | so I need phone anyway | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | oh, i only played the n9 one | 22:41 |
| pdanek1 | no pigs no fun | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | you def need the phone, yeah | 22:41 |
| AL13N | where you hit the other birds? if you can find cages to make and trap other birds | 22:41 |
| ggabriel | also, no animal cruelty | 22:41 |
| AL13N | but pigs are filthy animals | 22:42 |
| ggabriel | pigs are awesome | 22:42 |
| AL13N | they are still filthy animals | 22:42 |
| ggabriel | or at least they taste awesome | 22:42 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:42 |
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| pdanek1 | birds would jump into my catapult themselves | 22:42 |
| pdanek1 | haven;t you seen in game? | 22:42 |
| pdanek1 | but I lack pigs, in jungle | 22:42 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:42 |
| AL13N | pdanek1: angry birds rio | 22:42 |
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| AL13N | first, you make bird cages | 22:43 |
| AL13N | then you capture exotic birds and put in cages | 22:43 |
| AL13N | then you make boxes and stack the whole thing | 22:43 |
| AL13N | then make catapult | 22:43 |
| pdanek1 | wow | 22:43 |
| AL13N | then capture angry birds | 22:43 |
| AL13N | etc... | 22:43 |
| ggabriel | inb4 pdanek1's family is missing him dearly | 22:43 |
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| AL13N | well, you have time, right??? | 22:43 |
| ggabriel | pdanek1 is playing with real birds in the jungle | 22:43 |
| pdanek1 | well everyone does | 22:44 |
| pdanek1 | what's the difference between cruelty on phone and in jungle? | 22:44 |
| AL13N | the sad part is that the cages go open if you hit them, so you'll need to capture more birds to play angry birds | 22:44 |
| ggabriel | they birds will have fun | 22:44 |
| ggabriel | the birds will come back | 22:44 |
| ggabriel | did you know? | 22:45 |
| ggabriel | the bird is the word | 22:45 |
| pdanek1 | lol | 22:45 |
| pdanek1 | yea | 22:45 |
| AL13N | the bird is tha bomb | 22:45 |
| AL13N | animal cruelty FTW | 22:45 |
| pdanek1 | actually there is some Angry Birds version, where you play for pigs | 22:45 |
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| pdanek1 | so I could buy dozens of pigs on market, before going to jungle | 22:45 |
| AL13N | lol | 22:46 |
| pdanek1 | then make a bigger catapult and hunt birds | 22:46 |
| ggabriel | hahahaha | 22:46 |
| pdanek1 | sounds like a plan | 22:46 |
| ggabriel | let's ask jolla to make a video about this particular use case | 22:46 |
| AL13N | go for it | 22:46 |
| AL13N | i'll go to sleep | 22:46 |
| ggabriel | night | 22:47 |
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| pdanek1 | well, we could blaim Rovio Entertainment for hundreds of dead pigs and birds I kill | 22:47 |
| pdanek1 | because they didn't port it to Jolla | 22:47 |
| pdanek1 | so I'm covered | 22:48 |
| Milo- | aw.. I can only give 30 votes on daily basis :( | 22:48 |
| pdanek1 | night | 22:48 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: "only" 30 votes | 22:48 |
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| pdanek1 | is there more than 30 apps? :D | 22:48 |
| Milo- | I originally had 50 daily votes | 22:48 |
| Milo- | pdanek1 @Together | 22:48 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: if it isn't unreasonable, i'll give you one of mine | 22:52 |
| ggabriel | tell me what you want another vote on the most | 22:52 |
| Milo- | ggabriel please give it to this: https://together.jolla.com/question/4302/auto-brightness-light-sensor-not-working/ ;) | 22:53 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: done | 22:53 |
| Milo- | :) | 22:53 |
| ggabriel | you can vote again tomorrow | 22:53 |
| Milo- | "Congratulations, you have received a badge 'Good Question'. Check out your profile." hawt!" | 22:53 |
| Milo- | I thought I had that already :P | 22:54 |
| ggabriel | you can have many badges with the same thing | 22:55 |
| ggabriel | it isn't exactly like the boy scouts | 22:55 |
| Milo- | ah... "Good Question ×2" | 22:56 |
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