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| Kabouik | Is anyone working on mplayer for Sailfish? I really have trouble viewing my videos with gstrealer, I have yet to find any that works (apart from the videos that came with the phone) | 00:04 |
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| Kabouik | gstreamer* | 00:06 |
| HtheB_ | Kabouik: someone is working on a video player | 00:08 |
| HtheB_ | although it's not mplayer | 00:08 |
| HtheB_ | but it uses gstreamer afaik | 00:08 |
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| HtheB_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400876#post1400876 | 00:08 |
| pdanek | I think Android app compatibility is leading to less native apps. | 00:09 |
| HtheB_ | pdanek: I dont think so | 00:11 |
| Turski | Kabouik: i think gstreamer has better support for hw decoding... | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | because if there wouldn't be a native app for something, it wouldn't come out anyway | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | for example: whatsapp | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | or just a 'banking app' | 00:11 |
| HtheB_ | they wont bring out sailfish apps... at least not in this stage | 00:12 |
| Turski | HtheB_: i need to send some email to my bank... | 00:12 |
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| HtheB | Turski: I already did | 00:13 |
| HtheB | they didn't even reply :) | 00:13 |
| HtheB | not even with a generic respond | 00:13 |
| Turski | i would just imagine that finnish banks would make a sailfish app :) | 00:13 |
| HtheB | yeah, possible | 00:13 |
| HtheB | not a dutch bank :( | 00:13 |
| Kabouik | Yes I saw that video player HtheB I think, I replied to the thread, but he said he was not sure he would support mplayer with this player | 00:17 |
| Elleo | Kabouik: it's not really a problem with gstreamer, sailfish just doesn't have a lot of gstreamer decoders installed by default | 00:17 |
| Kabouik | Any solution already? | 00:18 |
| Elleo | simplest solution would be to make an rpm that contains more gstreamer plugins + support libs, then the system player would automatically support them | 00:18 |
| Elleo | don't think anyone's done that yet though | 00:18 |
| Elleo | and it almost certainly wouldn't be able to go in the harbour with the current rules, so it'd only be an unofficial thing | 00:19 |
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| Elleo | alternatively lobby jolla to include more plugins by default | 00:19 |
| Kabouik | Yeah but no ETA, not even any promise they will do so | 00:19 |
| Kabouik | And not being able to watch any "regular" video apart from those they put in the device, or those recorded by the device, is kind of frustrating | 00:20 |
| Elleo | Kabouik: h264 stuff works fine | 00:20 |
| Kabouik | I have a h264 which does not work here | 00:21 |
| Elleo | theora should work too | 00:21 |
| Kabouik | It's a 720p though | 00:21 |
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| Kabouik | And a bunch of mp4 that don't run, even some avi (but don't remember the encoding) | 00:21 |
| Kabouik | The mp4 do play sorry, just without sound | 00:22 |
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| Kabouik | And the opposite for the avi: they play only sound, no videos is shown (however, before playing, I can see the first frame in the thumbnail correctly) | 00:22 |
| Kabouik | For the avi, the bug is similar to the gallery bug: the file opens properly, but nothing is shown | 00:23 |
| Kabouik | Anyway, no solutions yet unfortunately. Thanks for the reply Elleo | 00:23 |
| HtheB | Elleo: :( | 00:23 |
| Kabouik | Got to go to bed, early train trip tomorrow! | 00:23 |
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| HtheB | pebble... sailfish... :( | 00:23 |
| Elleo | HtheB: that's really waiting on 3 things, official python support (not a blocker, just stops store access) and two feature requests which are blockers: https://together.jolla.com/question/317/allow-for-multiple-notification-destinations/ and https://together.jolla.com/question/313/add-dbus-interface-to-stock-music-player/ | 00:25 |
| Elleo | until those are fixed the pebble can't really receive notifications properly or control the music player | 00:25 |
| HtheB | :( | 00:27 |
| Elleo | if it's any consolation there's a new n9 version of rockwatch sitting in the Nokia QA queue ;) | 00:28 |
| prometoys | did anyone try to buy a app from yandex and pay with your phone number? | 00:28 |
| Elleo | which adds caller id to incoming calls and fixes time setting stuff | 00:28 |
| Turski | prometoys: i think that payment option is only available in russia or something... | 00:31 |
| prometoys | i guess so. i even cant add + for my number | 00:31 |
| prometoys | i just was curious | 00:31 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm | 00:52 |
| CoderCandy | Did the jolla have nfc support? | 00:52 |
| CoderCandy | I've been reading about it using NFC for the other half... but is there any way of using the NFC hardware in, for example, an NFC tag reader? | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Somewhat. | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | The inbuilt antenna has _extremly_ limited range, as it's tiny | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | You can make 'other halves' with bigger antennas | 00:53 |
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| CoderCandy | uhm | 00:55 |
| CoderCandy | Where is the antenna? | 00:55 |
| CoderCandy | Found the sticker on my OH | 00:58 |
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| prometoys | anybody bought anything from yandex. i get an error "service is not available. try later" (roughly translated from german) | 01:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | prometoys: check your cock is set right. Mine was off by a day, and wouldn't let me do anything - I forget the exact errror | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | clock | 01:07 |
| CoderCandy | ... I laughed a bit to much at that :P | 01:07 |
| * SpeedEvil should open eyes when typing, or vacuum out keyboard more. | 01:08 | |
| CoderCandy | Hehe | 01:09 |
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| HtheB | Elleo, is it really worth | 01:16 |
| HtheB | the pebble | 01:16 |
| HtheB | for that price? | 01:16 |
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| Elleo | dunno, I find it handy, but one of my main reasons for getting it was to do some hacking with it, so my conception of value probably differs to others | 01:18 |
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| HtheB | I ARE BORED! | 01:24 |
| HtheB | :P | 01:24 |
| M4rtinK | I ARE BUSY! :D | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: don't worry I managed to put cock-ui on the maemo wiki in the latest CSSU Changelog :D | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:28 |
| prometoys | SpeedEvil, thx.. time seems to be fine | 01:31 |
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| prometoys | i have also the problem, that sometimes android apps won't start, until I close few native apps | 01:38 |
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| prometoys | good night everybody. | 01:40 |
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| tango_ | is there a way to restart the alien dalvik VM without rebooting the phone? | 01:42 |
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| HtheB | M4rtinK: I R BABOON! | 01:56 |
| HtheB | You don't need pants for the victory dance, 'cause baboon is better then weasel | 01:57 |
| Elleo | tango_: you could try "systemctl restart aliendalvik.service" (as root), that'd be my best guess, haven't tried it myself, and no guarantees it won't break everything | 02:05 |
| tango_ | Elleo: actually killing zygote seems to do it | 02:05 |
| Elleo | ah, okay | 02:05 |
| tango_ | at least re-launching the android terminal emulator seems to show some changes in getprop | 02:06 |
| tango_ | now the question is: why the heck can't I override net.dns1 ? | 02:06 |
| tango_ | apparently there always something that resets it to 8.8.8.8 | 02:06 |
| tango_ | I know that this is set somewhere in /opt/alien/system/framework/services.odex | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the kernel source available? | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find an appropriate package. | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | [root@localhost linux-3.11.4]# time make -j 2 bzImage | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | real 11m25.274s | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | that's not actually terrible | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - right - it died | 02:42 |
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| merlin1991 | now that you seem to compile a kernel, did you find the source? | 03:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I was just trying vanilla kernel | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | with defconfig | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | as a benchmark. | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It seems to have died as there is no bc | 03:41 |
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| atlaz | Aaaaaah. Work. Lovely work | 05:48 |
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| atlaz | Disabling NFC did actually increase battery usage HUGELY. Who'da thunk it | 06:34 |
| atlaz | i bet i could easilly hit three days usage with my current phone usage | 06:34 |
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| tango_ | atlaz: absolutely. | 06:40 |
| tango_ | atlaz: I was able to get a full day of almost continuous usage with active WLAN (no SIM yet though) | 06:41 |
| atlaz | Before the NFC-disabling i got to ~14% battery left at the end of the day. Yesterday evening i had 78% left | 06:42 |
| atlaz | But i bet my battery would be in better shape if i'd let it drain to near empty before recharging it :) | 06:42 |
| atlaz | So in a way, i should enable NFC! | 06:42 |
| Nicd- | atlaz: that's not how li-ions work | 06:50 |
| Nicd- | they don't have a memory effect | 06:50 |
| atlaz | Oh.. okay :( | 06:50 |
| atlaz | So only older type batterys, like NiCd-batterys work that way? (::::DD) | 06:53 |
| Nicd- | yes | 06:54 |
| atlaz | Oh man, monday morning jokes.. on a friday | 06:54 |
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| suy | atlaz: by disabling nfc you disabling the other half? | 07:52 |
| atlaz | suy: i dunno. Probably. Atleast it doesn't recognize when i remove and reinsert TOH | 07:53 |
| atlaz | Some say you could fix the NFC-battery-problem by moving the NFC-sticker a bit down | 07:53 |
| suy | atlaz: ok. I mean, I see no option for disabling nfc. But I've seen the posts for disabling the TOH service and improving battery | 07:54 |
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| atlaz | suy: http://pastebin.com/x59gmxJj | 07:56 |
| atlaz | from comments on: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | suy: disabling the TOH service disables NFC | 07:56 |
| suy | atlaz: yep, that's what I saw already. I wanted to know if you used some setting I'm not seeing :) | 07:58 |
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| atlaz | suy: nah, im just talking with "wrong terms" | 07:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Q5 | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | shipping in Q5? ;) | 08:29 |
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| jjanvier | hey there | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:38 |
| jjanvier | I got my precious :) | 08:38 |
| jjanvier | but I can't find the way to do the updates | 08:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: sorry was wrong window :) | 08:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's part of my code to restore steam account login | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | settings -> system settings -> about product, pulley menu, check for updates | 08:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | it failed on linux | 08:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think there updates shown in store in my "my apps" | 08:40 |
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| jjanvier | Stskeeps: thanks, that's curious, it works now after a reset... | 08:41 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | NFC is on the Jolla? Never works for me | 08:52 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Thought it was just that the Other half interface allowed for it | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | MFaro-Tusino: it's more like there's no real antenna | 08:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | So i'm not doing something wrong trying to send a file from Lumia 925 to it? | 08:53 |
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| tango_ | MFaro-Tusino: nfc is only used for TOH | 09:28 |
| MFaro-Tusino | tango_: Yeah - assumed so. Wonder if we could ever get it to transfer files | 09:29 |
| tango_ | MFaro-Tusino: there's some discussion about it. some people actually suggested putting another nfc antenna on TOH | 09:29 |
| tango_ | eh | 09:29 |
| tango_ | but honestly, at least for me the lack of NFC is absolutely the least of the problems | 09:29 |
| pp_ | yea, it's somewhat handy for pairing devices | 09:35 |
| pp_ | but not completely vital | 09:35 |
| pp_ | suppose with the proper apps you could check your bus card balance or whatnot | 09:35 |
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| AntiHawk | btw do you guys know yet if there will be some kind patch coming out from jolla to fix the nfc power drain? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk: yes, there will be in an upcoming update, but i cannot say which one as before a release is published, you never know if a fix passed full regression testing | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | just takes time to ensure quality of the SW update :) | 09:42 |
| AntiHawk | ofcourse I've been stopping the service manually for now, effect is so significant that it's worth of typing in to figerterm | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:45 |
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| nahkiss | about nfc, I really hope there will be TOH eventually supporting nfc mobile payments | 09:47 |
| nahkiss | btw, Mitakuuluu (native whatsapp client) is already updated to 0.1-6 so go get the update if you're using it | 09:51 |
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| entil | nahkiss: not in the store, though? | 10:01 |
| nahkiss | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 10:02 |
| tango_ | question: is the jolla mail app open source? | 10:03 |
| entil | nahkiss: the store would be more useful ;P thinking of publishing it there? | 10:03 |
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| nahkiss | it's not mine, hard to tell | 10:06 |
| entil | ah | 10:06 |
| nahkiss | submitting to harbour takes days I guess | 10:07 |
| entil | it'd be a shame if jolla got a bad rep for not having software, and the reason it doesn't "have software" is most of the users are hc og linux users who install everything off of github ;P | 10:07 |
| Pnuu | atleast coderus said, that he'll release the source when mitakuuluu is accepted to store :-) | 10:10 |
| entil | nice | 10:13 |
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| tango_ | about harbour, I know of at least the sokoban garden 3d developer complaining that he submitted to harbour something like a month or so ago, and the app still doesn't show | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | morning | 10:17 |
| entil | and I'm a bit on the fence about the sms stuff I'm doing, because I'm sure there are roughly 1.6 people in the world who'd care about importing their n900 text messages, so going through any approval process might be overkill | 10:18 |
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| entil | it's gonna be on github anyway | 10:19 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks, What is the URL for the support forum again please? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://together.jolla.com | 10:24 |
| nffer | hmm.. how can i reset my root password for jolla? | 10:24 |
| msknight | Thanks Stskeeps | 10:24 |
| msknight | I've put together my own personal view on the Jolla and Sailfish. | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: good | 10:25 |
| msknight | It is here - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=171 | 10:25 |
| msknight | Good, bad, and ugly. Let me have corrections, and veneom, in the comments. | 10:26 |
| msknight | I don't mind taking the flak, if it makes sailfish and jolla better. | 10:26 |
| msknight | That's what I view my role as. | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | we're always happy for feedback, good or bad | 10:26 |
| msknight | Right - I've got to get back to work. | 10:27 |
| * entil is a bit confused about people bitching about the ui | 10:27 | |
| ShadowJK | nffer: developer mode in settings | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: enjoy! | 10:27 |
| entil | or whatever anything | 10:27 |
| msknight | Bye for now! | 10:27 |
| entil | android is such a pos to use :D | 10:27 |
| nffer | ShadowJK: so that is the root password not just for the "nemo" | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | entil: +1 | 10:27 |
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| ShadowJK | nffer: the one i set there seems to work for devel-su | 10:28 |
| entil | ok, it'd be nice if google play didn't require hacking and if the browser had a find function, but yandex gives you firefox anyway | 10:28 |
| kontio | tango_: nahkiss: as announced in https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001863.html QA staff does not work full steam... but afaik the queue was empty by end of the day on 20.12, but now it piled up... developers have time to code over x-mas ;-) | 10:28 |
| tango_ | kontio: yeah, I think they do deserve some rest ;-) | 10:28 |
| Aard | kontio: damn, we should've gone with slaves instead of employees there | 10:28 |
| * ggabriel thinks slaves are more expensive | 10:29 | |
| kontio | Aard: or outsource to a country where they don't get the day off over x-mas... | 10:29 |
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| Aard | ggabriel: why? | 10:30 |
| Aard | ggabriel: you save on social benefits, health costs, ... | 10:30 |
| kontio | they just need water and bread... | 10:30 |
| Aard | just need to buy and feed them | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | Aard: just half joking (you still get to host/feed/etc the slaves, like in the old days) | 10:30 |
| entil | but if your slave dies you got to buy a new slave, it's not easy to say health costs in that regard are positive | 10:30 |
| entil | and if your slaves don't get to eg. make investments, you don't contribute to the positive-sum game of economy in general | 10:31 |
| Aard | entil: there was some statistic that slaves start at arund 50$ nowadays, not really an issue :) | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | Aard: lol, that's lack of demand surely | 10:31 |
| nffer | ShadowJK: thanks that worked, i didnt realize that it was the root password also, not just for nemo account | 10:31 |
| Aard | ggabriel: or too much supply | 10:31 |
| ShadowJK | most people dont get to make investments actually | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | btw, jolla folks, the phone is amazing. i'll write something somewhere (short, as a lot stuff has been written). but it's simply amazing. i'll miss my n9 when i switch | 10:32 |
| Aard | ggabriel: if you miss your n9 it's probably not amazing enough? :p | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | Aard: i didn't mean it that way. i'll miss it because the n9 as a phone is quite unique. it's not "yet another nokia" or "yet another android" etc. | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | also, the jolla is amazing, has a lot of potential, and has a lot of gaps too | 10:33 |
| Aard | ggabriel: I still carry my n9 as usb memory now and then, it's the only 64gb usb memory I have ;) | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure i could use it right now if i settled for android applications where those gaps are, but i'm somehow resisting that | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | Aard: yeap, i guess i'll use it for playing/dev/installing sailfish and so on | 10:34 |
| entil | not having camera support through android (afaict, at least with a qr code app) is a minus | 10:34 |
| entil | that might be for valid reasons, though | 10:34 |
| Aard | entil: camera support will come soon :) | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | i reckon i need caldav support and i'll be able to switch | 10:35 |
| entil | Aard: would be even more valuable if someone hacked together a native qr code app :D but thanks, that's nice too | 10:35 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: I think that is among the top-voted requests at together | 10:35 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: yeap, i know, should come soon | 10:35 |
| entil | people need an app ecosystem with apps that work, and they probably don't care at all if it's android or not as long as they learn to look in both stores | 10:35 |
| ShadowJK | now why is there android app in jolla store :) | 10:36 |
| entil | I think the embarrassing nfc battery life thing should be a top-voted request ;) | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | i thought the nfc bug was already fixed :P | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | (internally i mean) | 10:36 |
| entil | sweet | 10:36 |
| Morpog_Jolla | stskeeps for 6 month plan, get alien dalvik on android 4.4.x as thst was optimized for low memory devices | 10:37 |
| entil | ShadowJK: there's that yandex-yamdex-whatever .ru android store that ships with jolla, so if something's not available at the jolla store, people should look there too | 10:38 |
| ShadowJK | fifefox seems to run better on jolla than on my android tablet | 10:38 |
| entil | actually I'd appreciate not having to hack the google store in at all, try to be as basic a user as possible | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | entil: no I mean android app in jolla store not yandex | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | can't you download apk's from the google store in windows? | 10:39 |
| nffer | i would recommend 1Mobile Market not yandex | 10:39 |
| Morpog_Jolla | shadowjk, then u have a very bad tablet | 10:39 |
| Morpog_Jolla | ggabriel, no | 10:40 |
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| entil | I really can't be arsed about the different markets... now that I got skype and firefox I'm not sure what I'm missing out on, esp. if the camera support gets into android apps | 10:40 |
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| entil | but it'd be interesting to hack on a native qr code scanner if no one else is doing it | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | Morpog_Jolla: it has slow I/O from using the cheapest possible 64g emmc.. and 1g ram, seems like more ram is abailable on jolla, as ff doednt tabkill as often | 10:41 |
| Aard | entil: do it opensource and in nemo, so we can integrate it as api into the platform? :p | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | https://gitorious.org/project-grande/declarative-barcode-reader-plugin/source/337a1daf1c1ec04e7e775867e6cb9681525e2311: could maybe be ported to qt5 | 10:42 |
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| entil | Aard: all that is theoretical, because I'm ridiculously busy all the time and currently swamped with this csv parsing, so I'm the type of guy who speculates about this and ends up using an android app like everyone else ;P | 10:42 |
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| Aard | Stskeeps: didn't know karl can do qml :p | 10:42 |
| nahkiss | If you don't want to "hack" google play store in, you can use http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ from the phones browser to get the apps from play | 10:42 |
| Morpog_Jolla | dalvik just crashed | 10:42 |
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| entil | nahkiss: brilliant :D | 10:44 |
| atlaz | And pray to god that evozi doesn't inject the apk:s with anything :) | 10:45 |
| atlaz | (which they probably don't) | 10:45 |
| entil | but now that I opened it I really don't know what I'd want to download | 10:45 |
| entil | people say whatsapp is the new sms but then I'd have to walk around with 3g turned on all the time, besides which I'd rather wait for the native app to hit the stores | 10:45 |
| Morpog_Jolla | there is already entil | 10:47 |
| atlaz | People say lots of things. Some even say that whatsapp is already too old and something called Kik is the new sms-killer | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | xmpp is the new sms killer ;-) | 10:48 |
| atlaz | Yeah i don't really need anything to kill sms | 10:48 |
| atlaz | I think i've gotten three SMS:s since i had my Jolla (3 weeks) | 10:48 |
| atlaz | Facebook-chat-thingy works so nice with Jolla | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | well, that's xmpp, isn't it? | 10:49 |
| atlaz | I have no idea | 10:49 |
| atlaz | I regard it as magic, thats enough for me | 10:49 |
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| pdanek | ARRIVED! | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: \o/ | 10:55 |
| pdanek | Fedex guy bringed it with words: it's some batteries or something... | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | i'd have gone all paranoid on him saying "why? did you open it? did you open my precious?" | 10:57 |
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| Venemo | morning | 11:09 |
| Yaniel | quite some batteries there | 11:10 |
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| Pnuu | quite good battery, yeah, 4 days and still 1/3rd of the juice left | 11:11 |
| pdanek | ah fuck | 11:12 |
| pdanek | I forgot | 11:12 |
| pdanek | microsim | 11:12 |
| pdanek | I need to cut it, right? | 11:12 |
| entil | happened to me too | 11:12 |
| pdanek | how do I cut it | 11:12 |
| pdanek | :D | 11:12 |
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| entil | I'd just get a microsim proper | 11:12 |
| pdanek | ah it's smart | 11:13 |
| entil | considered cutting it too, but without an official tool it's ahrd | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: search for a printable model and cut it with a paper cutter and extreme care | 11:13 |
| entil | *hard | 11:13 |
| pdanek | it's already marked on SIM | 11:13 |
| pdanek | I see now | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | or pop by your shop and get a microsim proper | 11:13 |
| pdanek | It's market on my SIM card | 11:13 |
| entil | I had my old sim for like 15 years, not a chance it'd have micro markings on it :D | 11:13 |
| Pnuu | the shop alternative yields you a mini-sim adapter, too | 11:13 |
| ShadowJK | in that case you migjt have a combo cstd, where micro part can be pushed oit | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | entil: i find that hard to believe | 11:14 |
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| entil | any Finns here might remember eunet :D a sim card that old should've been cut, now that it's been bought up by elisa through saunalahti | 11:14 |
| entil | ggabriel: 15 years is an estimate, but it's friggin' old | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | entil: that's another story :) there are versions within sim cards, and newer phones required newer versions | 11:14 |
| ShadowJK | eunet .... yeah 15 yo sounds right | 11:14 |
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| entil | it'd suck if I'd have cut it up and it'd be too old for the jolla for other reasons ;P | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | entil: nah, if it has the markings, that shouldn't happen | 11:16 |
| entil | myeah | 11:17 |
| entil | annoying enough to get the n900 texts in, I'm almost about to give up, cuz most of the day has been spent on handling a message that ends in ", because this csv dialect keeps text cells in as "..." but escapes internal quotes as "" | 11:17 |
| entil | it's a pain, I hate csv | 11:17 |
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| pdanek | It's big against N900 | 11:21 |
| pdanek | and not thick at all against N900, it could easily carry keyboard-half. | 11:21 |
| * ggabriel is ready to give up sms's | 11:21 | |
| entil | I have this mugen power battery for the n900, it's about the size of a brick, and I'd vastly prefer having a similar battery and custom 3d-printed other half :P | 11:21 |
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| entil | not sure how that'd work, though, because of the different input action. on the n900 a larger battery means it rests better in your hands but with the jolla it probably means your thumb can't reach the keyboard | 11:22 |
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| flux | entil, I actually thought of what if someone made a very long but thin battery you could put under the ToH cover and use it in parallel with the builtin battery.. | 11:24 |
| flux | but it would need some electronics to manage the second battery | 11:25 |
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| flux | the n900 mugen battery wastes a lot of space | 11:25 |
| entil | maybe one big one would be easier | 11:25 |
| entil | it does | 11:25 |
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| Venemo | how do I install nano on the jolla? | 11:28 |
| nahkiss | entil: you dont happen to have a 3d-printer do you? | 11:28 |
| entil | nahkiss: nope | 11:29 |
| Venemo | ah got it | 11:29 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: pkcon install nano | 11:29 |
| ggabriel | :P | 11:29 |
| Venemo | yep, that was my first attempt | 11:29 |
| Venemo | thank you ggabriel | 11:29 |
| entil | nahkiss: but I hear there are people getting them, and hopefully companies that sell 3d printing as a service | 11:29 |
| nahkiss | I've been wondering if a custom TOH could fix the floppy volume rocker too | 11:29 |
| nahkiss | to me it seems it would be possible, just making the gap between TOH and volume rocker narrower | 11:30 |
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| Chaz6 | for a moment then i thought you were asking about a floppy drive | 11:30 |
| entil | someone on ircnet/#helsinkihacklab already 3d-printed an other half for his jolla | 11:30 |
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| ggabriel | 3.5" floppy drive other half | 11:30 |
| entil | can't remember the nick, though | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | that goes to together.jolla.com NOW | 11:31 |
| entil | haha | 11:31 |
| ln- | why 3.5"? | 11:32 |
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| ggabriel | ln-: i don't want it too big... 5.25" would exceed the phone too much | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | also the 3.5" are sturdier | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | and i wouldn't mind something to read the one that's in my drawer | 11:33 |
| flux | so now with the ToH power consumption workaround, has someone tested how long the battery lasts when yuo have mosh connected 24/7? | 11:33 |
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| ShadowJK | what is mosh | 11:34 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: http://mosh.mit.edu/ | 11:38 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://youtu.be/XQW8eb1P3dk | 11:40 |
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| ln- | is it a known and reported bug that sometimes the phone doesn't start charging when the charger is connected? (and "charging only" selected for the query about whether to connect the charger in developer mode) | 11:41 |
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| ln- | i had a situation where the battery info in settings said something like: "charger: connected, battery: full" yet the percentage was 24%. | 11:42 |
| ShadowJK | when connecting charger you should not be asked about mode. | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | it happens when you dont plug in fast enough, i think | 11:43 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 11:43 |
| ln- | i bet i should not, but often am nonetheless. | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | Do I need to do this 3 charges process with battery? | 11:43 |
| atlaz | I always plug in too fast | 11:43 |
| atlaz | :( | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | To use completely and then charge? | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | I never know if it's with Li-Ion or Li-Pol | 11:43 |
| * pigletto also is asked about mode when plugging in charger | 11:43 | |
| entil | pdanek1: I didn't, because I think in the year of our lord 2013 phone batteries are charged in the store | 11:44 |
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| ShadowJK | mine was so tigt at first, i didnt have the strength to insert it rapodly enough. i pushed in the teeth on tje plig, and now it's easy to plug in | 11:44 |
| entil | that was iirc even true for the n900, and the mugen tuning battery came with a separate note saying it must be charged like a motherfscker before use | 11:44 |
| entil | s/store/factory/g | 11:44 |
| ShadowJK | thode notes are bullshit | 11:44 |
| entil | *shrug*, didn't want to risk it | 11:45 |
| entil | if I was a hongkongese battery manufacturer for hackers I'd let my customers do the initial charging as well | 11:45 |
| entil | the jolla was pretty well juiced on delivery anyway and nothing told me to charge it for 18 hours or something | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | basically batteries cant be shipped uncharged anyways | 11:46 |
| pp_ | 50% is good for storage/shipping I thought? | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | around 40-70 | 11:46 |
| pp_ | I think my jolla was around 50% but can't be sure | 11:47 |
| entil | iirc mine was as well | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldnt trust the meter at all until a cycle though. | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | In the old days with old nimh tech, the batteries self-discharged when stored or during shipping, and s long charge could help restore optimal performance | 11:49 |
| pdanek1 | hmm I can't connect to Wifi | 11:50 |
| pigletto | Anyone knows why I can't see 'Start Emulator icon' in Sailfish SDK - I'm following this tutorial: https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html and it says that just after creating new project this icon should be there... | 11:50 |
| pdanek1 | WPA / WPA2 PSK | 11:50 |
| entil | iirc my old motorola razr v3 had to be charged for an eternity as well, but can't be arsed to find the manual if I have it somewhere to doublecheck | 11:50 |
| entil | pigletto: got a screenshot of your ide? | 11:51 |
| entil | pigletto: anyway, it's there to the lower left | 11:51 |
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| ShadowJK | if it's made this millenia, those instructions are bs :) | 11:51 |
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| pigletto | entil: I know where it should be... but it wasn't there, after I've added my jolla device in settings, I can see Emulator icon but it is not active - I can't start it | 11:52 |
| entil | pigletto: not sure, because it's worked for me, but what if it's a kit issue? like you've selected a kit you can't emulate or something? | 11:53 |
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| pigletto | entil: Tutorial says to "Select MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86 or MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl kit and click Next" | 11:53 |
| pigletto | entil: I've tried both | 11:53 |
| pigletto | same result | 11:53 |
| entil | pigletto: sorry, I really don't know then :/ | 11:53 |
| atlaz | pigletto: have you tried #sailfishos ? | 11:54 |
| pigletto | atlaz: nope | 11:54 |
| entil | I got the right-pointing arrow icon which opens the menu with kits, the two play buttons, the hammer, the start sdk button and the start virtualbox button | 11:54 |
| Venemo | making my custom keyboard layout now | 11:54 |
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| atlaz | pigletto: thats the channel for developing | 11:54 |
| Venemo | the keyboard is very generous in adapting to the amount of characters I add, but it seems that it becomes hard-to-use when I squeeze in too many characters | 11:54 |
| pigletto | atlaz: ok, thx | 11:54 |
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| nahkiss | The battery on jolla is most probably a Lithium-polymer, so it probably really was at around 50% | 11:56 |
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| nahkiss | because lipo batteries have nominal cell voltage of ~3.7V and storage should be at 50-60%, and the jolla specs say it's a 2100mAh, 3.8V | 11:57 |
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| entil | that's not much less than the mugen, at 2400mAh :o | 11:58 |
| entil | wonder what kind of insane crazy batter could power the jolla if things have gone that far ;P | 11:59 |
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| nahkiss | lipo batteries are developed all the time, I guess that mugen is few years old already | 12:01 |
| entil | yes | 12:01 |
| entil | li ion from 2010 | 12:02 |
| nahkiss | I drive rc-cars as a hobby, easy to see the sizes getting smaller and capacities go up in that area | 12:02 |
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| atlaz | Yeah. Same with airsoft where we switched from NiCd to Li-Po batteries. We wen't from 9.6V 2600mAh bricks to small 11.1v 25C Li-Pos | 12:05 |
| nahkiss | with an additional battery you could probably fit something like 1000-14000mAh more to TOH | 12:06 |
| nahkiss | if you connect it in paraller with the original, you're increasing the capacity without increasing voltage | 12:06 |
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| nahkiss | if the charging software is anything close to smart, it shouldn't care about the increased capacity | 12:07 |
| atlaz | Or maybe someone actually starts making the solar powered TOH :) | 12:07 |
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| ln- | nuclear powered, please | 12:07 |
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| atlaz | With the phone close to my...family jewels? No thanks | 12:08 |
| entil | lead-lined other half \,,/ | 12:08 |
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| tango_ | lol | 12:09 |
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| tango_ | anyway, the phone is nice but OH MY GOD SO MANY ROUGH EDGES | 12:09 |
| tango_ | and I don't mean physical edges 8-P | 12:09 |
| tango_ | I think it's a good thing they didn't start with a global sale right off the bat | 12:10 |
| tango_ | gives them time to refine things testing on us early-adopters | 12:10 |
| * tbr is now at 30C3, jolla/sailfish-hackdesk (chaoswelle assembly) | 12:10 | |
| tango_ | stuff like "automatic time adjustement" switching to helsinki, finland timezone because I don't have a SIM yet 8-P | 12:10 |
| atlaz | tango_: Yeah man, but wait 'till the next update comes and then someone buys the phone with all the bugs fixed and features added | 12:11 |
| entil | not sure I found that many rough edges myself, but testing on early adopters means everyone will bitch about how much bigger the store is for android etc etc etc and give the phone a bad rep | 12:11 |
| atlaz | tango_: then you can use the "YOU DON'T KNOW MAN, YOU WEREN'T THERE!"-line on them | 12:11 |
| tango_ | atlaz: I hope so 8-) | 12:11 |
| tango_ | entil: i've come across a lot of rough edges | 12:11 |
| entil | ok.. importing contacts was in settings, not people. then when swiping back I found myself in the people app instead of settings | 12:12 |
| tango_ | like: wrong automatic zone if no sim. couldn't add twitter and google accounts from system settings (managed from gallery though, wtf?). android uses the wrong dns | 12:12 |
| entil | so.. that was the one time, almost forgot about it, and no one will ever care | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | entil: huh? how do you import contacts from settings? | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | you mean google contacts? | 12:12 |
| entil | ggabriel: settings -> apps -> people -> improt | 12:12 |
| entil | *import | 12:12 |
| tango_ | prot prot | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | entil: thanks :) | 12:12 |
| entil | ggabriel: I do not mean anything google | 12:12 |
| atlaz | The biggest "rough edge" has to be that if you remove the tutorial app all your pictures "dissapear" as the tracker is somehow removed | 12:12 |
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| tango_ | btw, I wish there was more doc on alien dalvik | 12:13 |
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| ggabriel | ah, import from sim, yeah | 12:13 |
| entil | ggabriel: btw, the reason I wound up on this channel was an issue in the importer :D if you cat your vcf files together into one with \n as the separator, the import will fail | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | 3.8V, because it's a chemistry with 4.35V at full | 12:14 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, does the Jolla work with answer buttons? | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | entil: yeah, i know, i didn't even try | 12:14 |
| entil | ggabriel: I didn't use sim, can't fit shit on the 15 yo sim, if that's even possible on a more modern one | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | unless i find a way to mass delete them (to import over and over again) | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure there's a CLI somewhere | 12:14 |
| entil | huh? | 12:14 |
| entil | what does that mean? | 12:14 |
| ggabriel | i mean: i'm sure i can delete all the contacts from the command line somewhere | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | just haven't figured it out yet | 12:15 |
| entil | yeah dunno | 12:16 |
| entil | but it was a safe operation to do | 12:16 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: scan all the dbus calls ? ;) | 12:17 |
| entil | SSH connection failed: The remote host closed the connection | 12:17 |
| entil | why would the ide do that, or is this a #sailfishos question?-) | 12:17 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: yeah, why not? another thing to play with :) | 12:17 |
| Tofe | Maybe Jolla could release the DBus API, if it's stable enough | 12:18 |
| Tofe | (and if they use DBus...) | 12:18 |
| entil | like I'm parsing the csv and it looks like I finally got it all figured out (except the parts I just hacked and glued together) and now when I do the whole file the app randomly dies with the ssh connection fail thing | 12:19 |
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| ln- | anyone tried netflix (or perhaps some other android thing that plays audio) and experienced trouble with audio, especially through headphones? | 12:22 |
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| CoderCandy | ln-, I've tried both netflix and spotify | 12:23 |
| CoderCandy | both works great | 12:23 |
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| CoderCandy | I got some weird high pitch almost feedback-like thing when I called myself from skype to test my headset with the jolla | 12:24 |
| CoderCandy | (during the ringing, not after I picked up) | 12:24 |
| CoderCandy | I still don't know which device produced it (my computer or the jolla) and I was unable to reproduce it afterwards. | 12:24 |
| CoderCandy | (I was playing spotify at the time) | 12:25 |
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| CoderCandy | ln-, also, spotify don't work with local MP3 files synced from a computer, but streaming works fine. | 12:25 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ | 12:26 |
| CoderCandy | OMG | 12:27 |
| CoderCandy | OMG! | 12:27 |
| CoderCandy | Camera support? | 12:27 |
| Aard | entil: when I said 'android runtime will support camera soon' I meant 'we're just preparing the last bits for release today' :p | 12:27 |
| entil | Aard: zomg :) | 12:28 |
| Aard | so just sit tight a few more minutes :) | 12:28 |
| entil | it'd be real real nice if the updates were pushed to the user | 12:29 |
| CoderCandy | Oh, what does Laadunjärvi mean? | 12:29 |
| entil | instead of "check for update" | 12:29 |
| Pnuu | CoderCandy: it's a lake in finland | 12:29 |
| CoderCandy | Ah | 12:29 |
| CoderCandy | okay | 12:29 |
| entil | literally it means "lake of quality" or something | 12:29 |
| CoderCandy | Oh, nice :P | 12:29 |
| Pnuu | all the updates are named after a lake :-) | 12:30 |
| atlaz | CoderCandy: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Laadunj%C3%A4rvi?setskin=meiko&setlang=en | 12:30 |
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| CoderCandy | Okie | 12:30 |
| Aard | entil: it comes to the user, the 'check for update' is if you're impatient and want it now | 12:31 |
| ShadowJK | no mention of a TOH fiz? | 12:31 |
| ShadowJK | fix* | 12:31 |
| ln- | "Audio and video are now in sync when watching videos in Netflix or other video applications" \o/, sounds promising | 12:31 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: we're working on it | 12:31 |
| ShadowJK | kk :) | 12:31 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: that was my initial response, too :-D | 12:31 |
| pdanek1 | It lacks HW-KBD so much... | 12:32 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: all the people available over christmas were working on the release, no spare resources for that ;) | 12:32 |
| pdanek1 | Virtual-keyboard is pain on Jolla too. :) | 12:32 |
| entil | I'd like to try a circular osk | 12:32 |
| lbt | entil: they are 'pushed' | 12:32 |
| ShadowJK | it seems like the kind of thing one woild push dedicated update for to just disable it intil fized | 12:32 |
| entil | did that on the openmoko enlightenment setup, but I've forgot the name of the osk app and it probably wouldn't integrate with jolla anyway | 12:32 |
| lbt | ShadowJK: can you imagine the discussions? | 12:33 |
| ShadowJK | note to self: dont wash hands, scrn starys mising taps | 12:33 |
| lbt | ShadowJK: but in the end it makes sense not to rush something that's not been tested properly | 12:33 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: even disabling the functionality needs to go through qa | 12:34 |
| atlaz | Aard: Jolla releases a big update on a...friday? :D | 12:34 |
| Tumex_ | is there currently bluetooth support for android runtime? | 12:34 |
| atlaz | Oh man, either the tests are really good or the developers are really good | 12:34 |
| Aard | atlaz: why not? :) | 12:34 |
| ShadowJK | it's friday? :o | 12:35 |
| entil | lbt: ok, I'll wait for the new one to be pushed, then ;) | 12:35 |
| atlaz | Aard: every single time i push a big update on a friday, something goes to hell for sure | 12:35 |
| Pnuu | atlaz: don't jinx it.. | 12:35 |
| Aard | atlaz: some of us (including me) worked over christmas, so working over weekend is a step down already :p | 12:35 |
| atlaz | :P | 12:35 |
| lbt | entil: yeah - right ... "pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2), pull, check, wait(2)...." | 12:35 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 12:35 |
| lbt | atlaz: it's friday ? | 12:36 |
| atlaz | Aard: Yeah, i've had my fair share of "Hey i'll just release this and... *picks up phone* Hey honey - yeah, listen.. work.. it's gonna... yeah i'll see you sunday" | 12:36 |
| entil | haha | 12:36 |
| entil | lbt: I'll just wait ;P | 12:37 |
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| CoderCandy | Oh god, I'm so hyped for this new update! | 12:37 |
| pp_ | ooh, recovery mode | 12:39 |
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| CoderCandy | Sooo... when could one expect the update? | 12:39 |
| CoderCandy | I could use that android camera support in... around 2 hours xD | 12:40 |
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| atlaz | Irc-users are DDOSing Jollas updateservers atm | 12:40 |
| atlaz | "Check for updates... check for updates... check for updates" | 12:40 |
| nahkiss | how does the update check even work btw | 12:40 |
| nahkiss | i noticed it takes quite long even if there's no update coming | 12:41 |
| nahkiss | should probably hook wireshark to my work wlan and sniff it a bit :P | 12:42 |
| pp_ | pkcon update seems to find some stuff | 12:43 |
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| atlaz | Like the picking and packaging department, it's fully manual. Everytime someone pulls the check for updates a Jolla-tech needs to call the developers and ask if there's an update available | 12:43 |
| nahkiss | Store just gave me a notification of updates core apps | 12:43 |
| entil | that's why interns were invented, atlaz | 12:43 |
| pp_ | Source RPM : aliendalvik-0.5.8-4.src.rpm | 12:44 |
| pp_ | Build Date : Wed Dec 25 09:51:39 2013 | 12:44 |
| pp_ | myriad elves have been busy :D | 12:44 |
| lbt | atlaz: pretty much | 12:44 |
| atlaz | But what's the name of the update! | 12:44 |
| atlaz | Im taking bets, plaaaaaaaace your bets here | 12:44 |
| Aard | pp_: we try to properly assimilate companies working with us :p | 12:44 |
| Pnuu | atlaz: Lannevesi | 12:45 |
| lbt | atlaz: I'll bet on something beginning with "M" ... that should narrow it down to just a few k | 12:45 |
| atlaz | What was that one lake called? Paskajärvi or something | 12:45 |
| lbt | that was a pre-release name :) | 12:46 |
| atlaz | Nah, Kusijärvi | 12:46 |
| atlaz | There's also Mulkkusaari on Kivesjärvi | 12:46 |
| entil | wonder if I got the name wrong but neither jarviwiki nor wikipedia recognizes katumusjärvi | 12:46 |
| Pnuu | there's a shitload (sic) of Paskalampi-named ponds | 12:46 |
| Pnuu | "update available" | 12:46 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | downloading | 12:47 |
| atlaz | But the name! We need the name! | 12:47 |
| entil | when the .se christian crusaders came to .fi to convert or kill the pagans, the .fi pagans rather "converted" than died, and went into that lake to wash of the conversion and repent in front of the pagan gods | 12:47 |
| entil | katumusjärvi is like lake of regret or lake of repentance | 12:47 |
| CoderCandy | WOOOO | 12:47 |
| atlaz | Downloading also! | 12:48 |
| nahkiss | :( | 12:48 |
| ShadowJK | I live near pillujärvi. i hope jolla will use that when they get to p \o/ | 12:48 |
| kontio | ;-) | 12:49 |
| atlaz | Blah, i was connected to a bad Wi-Fi. Had to disconnect and 3G my ass | 12:49 |
| pp_ | I've dipped my balls into kivesjärvi a few times | 12:49 |
| CoderCandy | entil, wait, the my.se christian crusaders came and "converted" you? | 12:49 |
| CoderCandy | That's not nice... | 12:49 |
| CoderCandy | I'm sorry! | 12:49 |
| entil | it's been closer to a millennium I think | 12:50 |
| entil | so it's ok | 12:50 |
| entil | we just washed it off | 12:50 |
| CoderCandy | Hehe | 12:50 |
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| CoderCandy | C'MON update android support already! (Android support is last in my update list apparently...) | 12:50 |
| nahkiss | I'm missing clock and mail | 12:51 |
| CoderCandy | Clock was my first :P | 12:51 |
| atlaz | They were removed as unneccesary software | 12:51 |
| entil | I'm on wifi and the phone still hasn't told me to upgrade :< | 12:51 |
| nahkiss | it failed 4 times for me | 12:51 |
| nahkiss | entil: check jolla store, not the whole software update :P | 12:51 |
| entil | I didn't check anything cuz I thought the updates were pushed :D | 12:52 |
| CoderCandy | entil, I got pushed | 12:52 |
| entil | I'm trying to be as much joe q. average as possible ;P | 12:52 |
| pp_ | trying to download :P | 12:52 |
| CoderCandy | I was checking for updates in settings, not apps | 12:52 |
| CoderCandy | and BAM 5 new updates notification :P | 12:52 |
| entil | I'm in no real hurry, I think I got my text messages converted from csv to custom c++ objects, now I need to get them inserted into the comm app | 12:52 |
| atlaz | Weird. Phone kinda tried to update it self but then didn't. Now it's downloading again | 12:52 |
| Pnuu | the notification is pushed, not the updates :-) | 12:52 |
| entil | atlaz: maybe it is katumusjärvi, then :D | 12:53 |
| kontio | entil: then you might wait up to 24h, depends when the phone checked the last time for an update, it's not a push, it's a once per day poll... | 12:53 |
| entil | Pnuu: no notifications either, that's what I'm kinda looking at | 12:53 |
| entil | kontio: yeah | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | I imagined it was pulled, checked once a day | 12:53 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | installing | 12:53 |
| tbr | *HMPF*, the 30C3 GSM network seems to kill ofono-ril somehow :/ | 12:54 |
| tbr | should catch debug logs | 12:54 |
| Pnuu | still downloading.. | 12:54 |
| entil | I went to check for updates manually, even that takes a while | 12:54 |
| Pnuu | entil: must be a bit crowded :-D | 12:54 |
| atlaz | I bet the update servers wen't to shit | 12:54 |
| CoderCandy | Look, system update | 12:54 |
| ShadowJK | btw, reading notes.. does it mean people without wifi wont get updated after this? | 12:55 |
| atlaz | Im downloading the update at a speed that feels like ~1kb/s | 12:55 |
| entil | 7 updates and system update | 12:55 |
| atlaz | Oh right, work. Yeah. Work. | 12:55 |
| ShadowJK | god you guys stop jamming the internet with jollaupdate, my IPTV just died | 12:56 |
| CoderCandy | uhm, lol | 12:57 |
| CoderCandy | Front facing camera is up-side-down in android xD | 12:57 |
| atlaz | "The internet crashed today as all 13 Jolla users tried to simultanously download an update for their phones" | 12:57 |
| Wnt | is there a wifi hotspot application available for sailfish? https://twitter.com/KimDotFi/status/416534874829234177 | 12:57 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | https://sremes.kapsi.fi/2013/12/wifi-hotspot-app-for-sailfish-jolla/ | 12:58 |
| atlaz | Wnt: i guess someone "appified" the command-line-hack that the boys here cooked up | 12:58 |
| Wnt | HarhaanJohtaja: thanks! | 12:58 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | Maadajävri | 13:00 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | is the right answer | 13:00 |
| atlaz | Nice | 13:01 |
| Pnuu | oh, a laplandish lake then :-) | 13:01 |
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| entil | röplem with store error message :< | 13:02 |
| entil | store plz | 13:02 |
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| entil | the updater still says it's downloading, nfi what's going on anymore | 13:03 |
| Pnuu | this download takes forever | 13:04 |
| entil | maybe it's not really downloading anymore | 13:05 |
| tumpelo | also downloading, not getting any progress | 13:05 |
| entil | though it probably is for me, the cover told me 4 updates, it used to be 5 and originally it said 7 | 13:05 |
| Pnuu | for me it's saying "6 6 update(s) available" | 13:07 |
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| ShadowJK | problem with store :-( | 13:09 |
| CoderCandy | Wat? | 13:10 |
| CoderCandy | Battery level BEFORE update was 86% | 13:11 |
| CoderCandy | after update 94% | 13:11 |
| CoderCandy | Did you upgrade the battery? | 13:11 |
| Gilly_ | the same happened for me with the last update | 13:11 |
| sjn | software-upgradable batteries ftw \o/ | 13:11 |
| hene- | after reboot it does that | 13:11 |
| Aard | it's christmas magic :p | 13:11 |
| Gilly_ | haven't finished this one yet | 13:11 |
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| hene- | update does not affect | 13:11 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: same here, just keeps on "downloading" | 13:11 |
| ShadowJK | Considering we have swappable battery, the meter might reset on boot | 13:11 |
| CoderCandy | I'm just joking :P | 13:12 |
| CoderCandy | I just thought it was funny | 13:12 |
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| * entil is down to 3 updates | 13:12 | |
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| * CoderCandy is done updating | 13:12 | |
| * CoderCandy is still amused by the up-side-down front camera in android apps | 13:12 | |
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| nahkiss | might be something to do with it just reading the battery voltage, so after you reboot you have less load and less strain on battery? | 13:12 |
| Aard | CoderCandy: what, now you have camera, and you complain again? :p | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | Aard, I'm not complaining :P | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | I'm not one for selfies anyway xD | 13:13 |
| kontio | CoderCandy: u'r holding it wrong ;-p | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | And I AM happy about the camera support :P | 13:13 |
| CoderCandy | (At least back camera works like it should!) | 13:14 |
| Aard | I wonder if that's app related, though, I had at least one app doing correct pictures | 13:14 |
| nahkiss | I wonder if I can just reboot the phone now thats it stuck on "downloading" | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | Aard, I'm using snap-chat | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | which I had to install by downloading an APK | 13:14 |
| Aard | CoderCandy: I was using some girly camera app doing pink stuff with the pictures. was hard to find anything using camera when I just wanted to test the damn thing :) | 13:14 |
| hene- | yep, saying problems at the store when trying to download update | 13:14 |
| CoderCandy | Aard, Hahaha | 13:15 |
| Pnuu | "store error" | 13:15 |
| tumpelo | now almost half downloaded | 13:16 |
| Gilly | my download seemed to go to end but resulted in a store error after that | 13:16 |
| Gilly | guess I'm gonna try again in the evening :P I'm not in hurry | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | I restarted the download | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | after the "store error", that is | 13:17 |
| tumpelo | problem with store, bummer | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | another "store error" | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | -> going to IRL store for now | 13:18 |
| AntiHawk | watch out you might get in error situation | 13:19 |
| Plnt | hmm.. i hit the problem with store error, too | 13:20 |
| Plnt | somewhere in ~70% of download | 13:20 |
| CoderCandy | Odd, I got no problems | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | this channel is "grumble, grumble, grumble" ever since actual consumers got actual devices | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | loll | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | now this could be perceived as good or bad | 13:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | My jolla tells me its up to date :( | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | When is the Jolla 2.0 coming out? | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | Does it have handgesture UI ? | 13:20 |
| jubo2 | it's got one display-side camera | 13:21 |
| jubo2 | why not make it two | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | jubo2: i want jolla3 with optical nerve interface | 13:21 |
| jubo2 | it's not like they cost anything | 13:21 |
| anonfriese | i want jolla2/3 with toh-compatibility to jolla1 :) | 13:22 |
| CoderCandy | ShadowJK, Jolla4, just a chip in the brain | 13:22 |
| FireFly | I want Jolla ∞ with DWIM capability | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm, "update device" seems to do nothing :) | 13:22 |
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| anonfriese | mine want's to update - but right now the internet is so slow, takes ages... | 13:23 |
| spider-mario | jubo2 : I perceive it as good | 13:24 |
| spider-mario | we knew that the product would have rough edges | 13:24 |
| spider-mario | so we discuss how to improve it | 13:24 |
| spider-mario | :) | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, now the store wont start | 13:24 |
| CoderCandy | spider-mario, so did I, but I wanted to be a part of the improvements | 13:25 |
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| jubo2 | Then use the off-the conveyor belt cameras for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo_camera or higher i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-camera_setup and use that to enable 3D hand gestures over your phone. Hired? | 13:26 |
| jubo2 | It's just photogrammetry with higher-than-2D data set basically.. | 13:29 |
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| jubo2 | HP is coming out with a wide sortiment of hand gesture enabled devices just about any time | 13:29 |
| jubo2 | It's interesting that a PC company is leading innovation and not AAPL | 13:30 |
| Plnt | ShadowJK: did you managed to start the store somehow or is it "bricked"? | 13:30 |
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| Plnt | ShadowJK: i'm a bit afraid to close it, now because it crashed during the update with the store error. | 13:30 |
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| jubo2 | the few-megapixel cameras cost like 5€ right ? | 13:31 |
| jubo2 | so just make a phone that has two cameras to enable new ways of interacting with our computer and phone systems. Hired? | 13:31 |
| jubo2 | *upfacing | 13:31 |
| jubo2 | spider-mario: awesome! | 13:32 |
| jubo2 | spider-mario: that you see it that way | 13:32 |
| jubo2 | the moves are obvious. | 13:33 |
| Turski | all 6 updates ar efailing... | 13:33 |
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| spider-mario | it feels great to have a say in the evolution of the product | 13:33 |
| Venemo_ | agreed | 13:33 |
| jubo2 | the moves are obvious. | 13:33 |
| jubo2 | swipe air left == start of song | 13:34 |
| jubo2 | swipe air right == next song | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | plnt: i closed it after getting "9roblem with thr sore" or similar, and when "update device" didnt do anythin after that, stoe no longer startedg | 13:34 |
| jubo2 | volume little down == one air swipe downwards | 13:34 |
| jubo2 | volume down a lot == two or three air swipes down | 13:35 |
| Plnt | ShadowJK: ouch :( | 13:35 |
| jubo2 | one could make code so that done with either hand it works or use the left-right hand distincition to increase the .. the .. the ... the thing-tsydem-härdell | 13:36 |
| jubo2 | number of distinct command | 13:36 |
| jubo2 | *s | 13:36 |
| jubo2 | but what gesture to use for mute | 13:37 |
| ShadowJK | ps aux shows store-client running, but there is no UI. i guess it hung. | 13:37 |
| Plnt | ah | 13:37 |
| jubo2 | I'd cross the hands over the sensors.. Finnish army uses same symbol but over your heads and not over your devices | 13:37 |
| FireFly | ShadowJK: I had some messy issues with store just now, but I think those were related to issues with our broadband connection and switching to mobile data made it start properly for me | 13:37 |
| Plnt | maybe restart will fix it then | 13:37 |
| Plnt | do you know if the update of the packages is started after complete download or if it fails in the middle it could leave some packages halfly installed? | 13:38 |
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| jubo2 | The deaf-mute will be blissed out once hand gesture UI is obiquitous | 13:38 |
| Plnt | i'm just wondering if i just trashed the phone by the update and i'll need to reset it to factory default | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Plnt: you manually trigger the installation | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | ie, you download, then you trigger installation | 13:39 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: ah, good. thanks | 13:39 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: so it's safe to reboot the phone after the store error, right? | 13:39 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: i'm just wondering if i should wait for the fix and leave the phone in the current state with store running | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | is this release non-beta? | 13:39 |
| locusf | my store keeps spinning | 13:39 |
| jubo2 | Showing the peace sign starts playing selector | 13:39 |
| jubo2 | 's reggae song | 13:39 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: or i can do whatever i want with the phone and just wait for the fix | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: if you haven't started the installation part it should be ok | 13:40 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: perfect :). thx | 13:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: are the harbour rpms signed? | 13:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyone know? | 13:41 |
| atlaz | I was sure they had typoed "Maadajävri", but it seems that it's supposed to be written that way | 13:41 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: looks like there are some connection problems with https://store-repository.jolla.com | 13:41 |
| Jonni | AL13N_lizzy: afaik they are not. | 13:41 |
| Tofe | I guess everyone jumped on the updates :D | 13:41 |
| Jonni | maybe maybe in future. | 13:41 |
| atlaz | "Mikkov" had already predicted the correct release name 09.12.2013! | 13:42 |
| ShadowJK | i think my device is not "installing" anything.. store errors and then store stopped responding, update device does nothing.. so i gues reboot is safe? | 13:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | people can answer here: https://together.jolla.com/question/3703/are-the-jolla-store-rpms-signed/ | 13:42 |
| atlaz | So the next release will be called Naakelijärvi then! | 13:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, bye all, i'm off on vacation for a couple of days | 13:43 |
| Plnt | ShadowJK: i tried to close the store and start it again and it started but the spinner is spinning and spinning. so i guess that it's just overloaded. | 13:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: you should btw... not much extra work on it anyway | 13:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | key should be in next updates though | 13:44 |
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| AntiHawk | Jolla store is down or overloaded, it might be that somewhere sysadmin is running now :) | 13:44 |
| Naranek | and many a f-word was spoken... | 13:45 |
| spider-mario | has anyone managed to perform the updates? what do they seem to bring? | 13:45 |
| isto | Hope he runs fast... | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: there's a comprehensive release note in together | 13:45 |
| spider-mario | oh :) | 13:45 |
| spider-mario | found it: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ | 13:46 |
| spider-mario | thanks | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | np, good luck trying to download though ;) | 13:46 |
| sledges | viber works! | 13:47 |
| FireFly | viber? | 13:47 |
| sledges | but after reboot cannot access internet connection anymore :( | 13:47 |
| sledges | anyone else experienced it?.. | 13:47 |
| ljp | sledges: how are you trying to connect? | 13:48 |
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| sledges | hmmm | 13:49 |
| Venemo_ | the update workedforme seamlessly without any hassle | 13:49 |
| faenil | sledges, android apps cannot connect you mean? | 13:49 |
| faenil | Venemo_, cool :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: see the release notes | 13:49 |
| faenil | hello people anyway o/ | 13:49 |
| sledges | whole androidapps not getting internet anymore | 13:49 |
| faenil | sledges, yeah as Stskeeps says, read release notes | 13:50 |
| sledges | all worked, mobile dat, until today. | 13:50 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why faenil is on irc and not studying | 13:50 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:50 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, hey!! :P after-lunch break! | 13:50 |
| sledges | i havent updated anything ;) | 13:50 |
| faenil | sledges, doesn't matter | 13:51 |
| tango_ | I think my wrists hurt from playing around with the jolla jolla too much these days | 13:51 |
| tango_ | that's not a good thing | 13:51 |
| Venemo_ | Stskeeps: I second faenil, IRCing and studying can work at the same time! | 13:51 |
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| Wnt | cannot install the .2.25 update, after selecting Download from store app's pulley menu the UI says "Problem with store; Problem with updating" | 13:54 |
| tango_ | wait, there's a new update? | 13:55 |
| Wnt | in the "journalctl -f -a" log I see a message: PackageHandler::slotUpgradeFailure:538 - void PackageHandler::slotUpgradeFailure(const QString&) "Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible. | 13:55 |
| tango_ | wth I thought the jolla guys were on xmas vacation | 13:55 |
| Wnt | anyone experiencing the same issue? | 13:55 |
| tango_ | WOOHOO FOR JOLLA | 13:55 |
| faenil | Wnt, yeah high load on servers, please have some patience :D | 13:56 |
| Wnt | faenil: ok | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: what's a vacation? | 13:56 |
| Wnt | Jolla needs more servers :) | 13:57 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: ehe 8-) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | or .. less users | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | </conspiracy> | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 13:57 |
| tango_ | btw does anybody know if there are actual jolla guys on here? | 13:58 |
| ln- | are the rpms downloaded through https and is the certificate checked? | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | jolla needs to distribute updates via torrent ;-) | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | tango_: only a few ;-) | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: a large amount | 13:58 |
| tango_ | lol | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | but we're here as fellow community members | 13:58 |
| tango_ | I see there is agreement here | 13:58 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: np, I'm not going to query all the jolla guys for answers | 13:58 |
| tango_ | that's what together.jolla.com is there for 8-) | 13:58 |
| tango_ | 1.0.2.5 is Maadajävri (no typo, it's jävri (Same/Lapish) not järvi (Finish) which some people might expect) | 13:59 |
| tango_ | Kontio (23 mins ago) | 13:59 |
| tango_ | lol | 13:59 |
| Wnt | Also: I think it succeeded in the downloading already once (or at least tought it succeeded) and prompted for installing the update. The UI changed to a progress bar and the phone rebooted | 13:59 |
| Wnt | but system properties and ssh banner still list the old version and the .2.25 is a downloadable update | 14:00 |
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| Turski | Is NFC bug fixed in 1.0.2.5? | 14:00 |
| Kiranos | Turski: not yet | 14:00 |
| Turski | ok, no need to unmask tohd.service then :) | 14:00 |
| atlaz | Also no landscape yet :( | 14:00 |
| Turski | :( | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | you have to see it as a rolling pipeline, the fixes that are in right now are stuff that was built a few weeks ago and now passed testing | 14:01 |
| Turski | but otherwise the changelog looks good | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | so we're all the time working and pushing more into the pipeline | 14:01 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: sure | 14:01 |
| faenil | atlaz, only bugfixing in december, that was known :) | 14:02 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: and we know this, but we gotta whine about something, right? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 14:02 |
| atlaz | I mean... thats what consumers do | 14:02 |
| faenil | :D | 14:03 |
| Turski | that's what people do | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | it's never enough | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, god forbid you were happy with your devices | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | i don't know what i want, but i want it now | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | we'd have nothing to talk about | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:03 |
| Turski | if there's nothing to whine, we would whine about that we have nothing to whine about... | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | i won't be happy until i get the unicorn | 14:03 |
| tango_ | question: are the twitter feed/mail apps open source? | 14:03 |
| tango_ | I would like to build a similar one for friendfeed | 14:03 |
| Turski | ggabriel: it will be wrong color anyway | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | Turski: slightly colour blind here, so kinda not care. i'll whine about that though | 14:04 |
| Turski | :) | 14:04 |
| tango_ | or rather: is the whole social network/presence stack open source? can plugins be written for it? | 14:04 |
| atlaz | "<Foo> So has anyone had any problems with their Jolla? <Bar> Nope. *Day changed to 03/03/2014* <Foo> Anyone had any problems? <Bar> Nope *day changed to..." | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: last one sounds like a better question for together.* | 14:04 |
| tango_ | damn, problem with store | 14:05 |
| tango_ | oh right, you guys mentioned it | 14:05 |
| atlaz | Yeah, it's a DDOS. All 13 Jolla users are trying to update at the same tim | 14:05 |
| atlaz | *time | 14:05 |
| covox | yep :P it's getting hammered | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | torrent ftw | 14:06 |
| tango_ | guys, stop updating, I need to update | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | i think that's the only good idea that adobe ever had | 14:06 |
| covox | someone forgot to feed the hamster | 14:06 |
| atlaz | thepirateharbour | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | (updating their produccts by torrent, that is) | 14:06 |
| tango_ | atlaz++ | 14:06 |
| ShadowJK | they do that? | 14:06 |
| tango_ | (do we have a bot here?) | 14:06 |
| atlaz | just Stskeeps | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: yeah, of course they fail over if torrent isn't available | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not a bot. | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:06 |
| atlaz | No, i *AM* a real person is the right answer Stskeeps | 14:07 |
| tango_ | something that announces e.g. new together. questions or stuff | 14:07 |
| tango_ | atlaz: maybe he's neither a real person nor a bot | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | maybe everybody here is a bot | 14:07 |
| atlaz | Anna the bot | 14:07 |
| covox | Stskeeps: no need to try your cold machine reverse psychology out on us | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | ppl still don't distinguish the difference between answer and comment in together.j.c | 14:08 |
| atlaz | Im sitting at work waiting for a washing machine to be delivered three hours ago | 14:08 |
| tango_ | ehehe https://together.jolla.com/question/3733/install-app-dev-mode-system-updates-not-working/ | 14:08 |
| tango_ | (not me) | 14:08 |
| tango_ | atlaz: maybe DHL has the same bug as the jolla re. timezones | 14:09 |
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| tango_ | or whoever is bringing the washing machine | 14:09 |
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| ggabriel | tango_: answered... | 14:09 |
| atlaz | tango_: I don't think so. I wen't to a store to choose it and the store was supposed to deliver it already :/ | 14:10 |
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| ggabriel | i'll make myself a coffee, i'm sure the store will go back to normal after that :) | 14:11 |
| Pnuu | hmph, still: store error | 14:14 |
| Nicd- | updates! | 14:15 |
| Nicd- | woohoo | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | anybody had any bricks so far? | 14:15 |
| Nicd- | os updates too? | 14:16 |
| * ShadowJK hasnt dared reboot | 14:16 | |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: haven't yet gotten that far :-) | 14:16 |
| atlaz | My update went nice and smoo | 14:16 |
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| atlaz | Just joking :) | 14:17 |
| * faenil is curious to see how the new recovery will behave | 14:17 | |
| Pnuu | store opened, let's retry | 14:17 |
| Nicd- | so there's an OS update coming? | 14:17 |
| Pnuu | Nicd-: yes | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/#details | 14:17 |
| Nicd- | google calendar! | 14:18 |
| Nicd- | <3 | 14:18 |
| Pnuu | nope, store error | 14:18 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: is it rolling out at different times? | 14:19 |
| Nicd- | for different phones | 14:19 |
| parasemic | guise | 14:19 |
| parasemic | my phone wont find the update. any ideas? | 14:19 |
| atlaz | parasemic: the store and update services are hammered as people try to update | 14:20 |
| Venemo_ | patience is a virtue | 14:20 |
| parasemic | aye, it was just weird the phone doesnt even find the update | 14:20 |
| atlaz | i guess it can't connect the update service so it says it can't find an update | 14:21 |
| atlaz | Just me guessing here | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | or it's rolled out at different times | 14:21 |
| parasemic | also im kinda dissapointed there seems to be nothing done with the aweful haptics of keyboard :( | 14:21 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | by the way tutorial program is gone after the update | 14:21 |
| atlaz | Tru.dat | 14:21 |
| parasemic | turning haptics off makes it possible to write, for me, but then pulleymenu cant be used without looking | 14:22 |
| pdanek1 | Did anyone notice that bottom display bezel is wider than upper one? Like if it was designed for touch buttons under the display. | 14:22 |
| Venemo_ | parasemic: a LOT of bugs have been fixed, see the release notes. of course they can't fix everything at once | 14:22 |
| Venemo_ | parasemic: my bugs haven't been fixed either | 14:22 |
| Venemo_ | parasemic: haptics work for me btw | 14:22 |
| parasemic | venemo_ my haptics are aweful.. :o | 14:23 |
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| parasemic | cant write without turning them off | 14:23 |
| Venemo | sorry | 14:23 |
| atlaz | *insanity wolf* try smashing the phone on the table to see if it fixes it *endof* | 14:23 |
| parasemic | around 30% of keyboard presses feedback with none or double haptics | 14:23 |
| atlaz | That sounds weird | 14:23 |
| Venemo | parasemic: check if this is already on together.jolla.com and if not, open a thread about it | 14:24 |
| parasemic | i have, nobody upvotes the topic as nobody gives a fuck x_x | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't help that there are 5 diff keyboards :) | 14:24 |
| parasemic | i had the exact same problems with the n9 keyboard lol | 14:24 |
| Venemo | nah, btw it turns out that the 64G microsd was indeed fake - 'mkfs.ext4 -c -c' found so many errors on it after running for a whole day that I decided not to let it run to the end | 14:24 |
| parasemic | they never got fixed | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | or, well, 3... fingerterm, android, sailfish? | 14:24 |
| parasemic | well, every keyboard is bad for me and fingerterm is aweful as i cant turn the haptics off | 14:25 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: maybe you need to update your fingers?-) | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: you bought one? how much did you pay? | 14:25 |
| parasemic | pnuu, yeah propably | 14:25 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: it wasn't expensive but it was a fake... | 14:25 |
| Venemo | conclusion: beware of suspiciously cheap memorycards | 14:25 |
| * ShadowJK reboots :s | 14:26 | |
| jubo2 | oh whatever.. | 14:26 |
| Venemo | I now ordered another one from a proper place | 14:26 |
| parasemic | the haptics bug is just driving me insane, as it the most important component for everyday use | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: really? :( | 14:27 |
| jubo2 | it seems Jolla Ltd wants HP to get the 1st hand gesture enabled mobile device ( read: phone ) | 14:27 |
| sremes | Venemo: got the fake one on ebay? | 14:27 |
| jubo2 | too bad | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | wow, micro sd's went up | 14:27 |
| tango_ | what haptics bug? | 14:27 |
| jubo2 | they asked NOK: "You want into computer?" and they're like "No." | 14:28 |
| Venemo | sremes: no, on a local site | 14:28 |
| jubo2 | then they asked AAPL: "You want into phone?" | 14:28 |
| jubo2 | rest is history. hire me. | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 14:28 |
| jubo2 | able to work EU office hours 15-20hrs / week | 14:28 |
| Venemo | jubo2: wat? | 14:28 |
| ShadowJK | reboot worked, but store still doesnt start :s | 14:29 |
| faenil | parasemic, you will agree that there are a lot of more important issues to tackle before haptics :D | 14:29 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: ignore jubo2, he is always repeating the same stuff | 14:29 |
| Pnuu | khih | 14:29 |
| Venemo | why? | 14:29 |
| Venemo | parasemic: is it reported already on together? | 14:29 |
| parasemic | faenil, ofc but its still a pretty key (pun intended) component of the phone | 14:29 |
| jubo2 | Venemo: because no-one thinks it good to give me job | 14:30 |
| faenil | parasemic, agreed, but... :) not top on the stack | 14:30 |
| parasemic | vanemo, as i said, i have reported but nobody upvotes it as nobody gives a fuck | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | url | 14:30 |
| Venemo | parasemic: gimme a link, I'll upvote | 14:30 |
| parasemic | just trying out, as it seems like the haptics problems occur only with the letters that are next to the screens edge | 14:30 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: based on your ramblings, I wouldn't hire you either | 14:30 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | parasemic: you can disable haptic feedback in fingerterm with opening settings.ini and setting keyPressFeedback=false | 14:30 |
| parasemic | c0ck4m0u53 thanks | 14:31 |
| tango_ | what's fingerterm? | 14:31 |
| nahkiss | "terminal" | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | tango_: default terminal app on sailfish | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | I also have issues with letters near the edges. Sometimes it gets interpreted as swipe instead | 14:31 |
| sledges | thanks Stskeeps , faenil . will hunt it down when get some decent 2g at least :) | 14:31 |
| tango_ | ah it's called fingerterm? | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | yes | 14:31 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | parasemic: welcome | 14:32 |
| * tango_ learns new things | 14:32 | |
| Venemo | parasemic: sorry, are you talking about haptics of the default keyboard or haptics in figerterm or ...? | 14:32 |
| parasemic | so is nobody else experiencing the bug that "bigger letters" that appear with keypress dont appear every time | 14:32 |
| Venemo | tango_: it's the same app that is on Nemo | 14:32 |
| tango_ | parasemic: I've seen it from time to time | 14:32 |
| * ggabriel wonders if the jolla will work with a 128gb sd card | 14:32 | |
| parasemic | as the haptics but seems to go hand in hand with that | 14:32 |
| tango_ | Venemo: my previous linux smartphone was the n900 | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | I find that licking my thumns before typing makes the keyboard work better | 14:32 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: the cost to add a 2nd camera and do stereocopic photogrammetrical system.. ~ 5€ + SW | 14:32 |
| tango_ | I find that eating the phone makes scrunchy sounds | 14:33 |
| parasemic | eg. i press A right next to the screen, no big A and no haptic, yet the letter is written | 14:33 |
| parasemic | screen edge* | 14:33 |
| jubo2 | and by SW I mean Software development costs | 14:33 |
| tango_ | oooh 91 karma, I can start editing wiki pages | 14:33 |
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| tango_ | BWHAUAHAHAHAHA | 14:33 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: maybe, but you will have to use ext4 or btrfs | 14:33 |
| Pnuu | jubo2: you forgot everything else on the hardware-side, there's more than the cost of the camera module | 14:34 |
| parasemic | also my fingerterm haptics are so bad i only get the "full haptic reponse" like 50% of the time and some halfway haptics every press | 14:34 |
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| jubo2 | [16:33] <tango_> I find that eating the phone makes scrunchy sounds | 14:34 |
| jubo2 | epic | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yeah, btrfs ftw | 14:34 |
| Venemo | parasemic: well, I find fingerterm so unusable in general that I prefer to use SSH from my laptop instead. it's just horrendous | 14:34 |
| Tofe | is it me, or uninstalling yandex does uninstall aliendalvik ? | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | altho yesterday somebody made me realize that btrfs can be tricky if you want to use it in more than 1 system | 14:35 |
| vbmithr | Hey! | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | so you gotta be careful with that | 14:35 |
| vbmithr | Jolla upgrade, I see that. Same as last time, my phone says it is up to date :( | 14:35 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yes, you have to beware of filesystem permissions, same as every other Unix filesystem | 14:35 |
| parasemic | venemo, now that i look deeper into the haptics problems, it seems like i really get like 50% force haptics every press and the full force haptic reponse most of the time but not every press.. weird. | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i didn't mean that, i meant btrfs versions differ | 14:36 |
| vbmithr | Don't know if it has a relationship with the fact that IÂ installed "third party software" | 14:36 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | e.g., yesterday somebody formatterd it with kernel 3.12 and it didn't work in the jolla | 14:36 |
| CoderCandy | So I "updated" my phone | 14:36 |
| ggabriel | he then did the opposite and it was ok | 14:36 |
| CoderCandy | that is, downloaded the update | 14:37 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: use ext4 then | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | ext4 will obviously work across the board | 14:37 |
| CoderCandy | and the phone rebooted, as it should | 14:37 |
| CoderCandy | and now it says I'm stil on the old version and the store don't work | 14:37 |
| Venemo | parasemic: OK, but you still haven't answered: are you only talking about the fingerterm keyboard (which is totally disastrous) or the default keyboard of the OS? | 14:37 |
| Wnt | CoderCandy: same happened to me | 14:37 |
| CoderCandy | And it still claims there's an update to download | 14:37 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 14:37 |
| Wnt | CoderCandy: I suspect that it still tries to download something from the server when doing the update | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | try again, sometimes it doesn't work properly | 14:37 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, I can't try again... | 14:38 |
| Wnt | and that download & store do not work as the servers are so loaded right now | 14:38 |
| CoderCandy | the store app doesn't even launch | 14:38 |
| parasemic | venemo: both, and android too. they act a bit different though. fingerterm is awefull 100% but the problems with sailfish keyboard seem to focus on the letters next to the edge of the screen. | 14:38 |
| shanttu_mobile | hi. jolla store crashes when trying to open. system update visible on notification area, but nothing happens on press. also nothing happens on 'about product, pulley menu | 14:38 |
| CoderCandy | ShadowJK, same | 14:38 |
| CoderCandy | shanttu_mobile, * | 14:38 |
| tango_ | shanttu_mobile: overloaded servers | 14:38 |
| CoderCandy | I got the android services update, so I'm happy until tomorrow | 14:39 |
| CoderCandy | when the servers get less loaded | 14:39 |
| tango_ | should probably be added to the topic | 14:39 |
| shanttu_mobile | ok. thanks | 14:39 |
| CoderCandy | tango_, who reads the topic? | 14:39 |
| Venemo | parasemic: fingerterm I agree is a total disaster - the default keyboard works for me quite well though, and I've never tried the android keyboard | 14:39 |
| parasemic | venemo: it seems like the (os) keyboard responds to presses that are really at the edge of the screen, but then the haptics and "big letter" dont kick in | 14:39 |
| Tofe | parasemic: do you think we could highjack the fingerterm keyboard to make it use jolla's, and add a layout more dedicated to code writing ? | 14:39 |
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| tango_ | oh btw has anybody else tried editing a together.j.c post from the jolla? | 14:40 |
| tango_ | due to lack of arrow keys you can't really scroll to the end of the post, e.g. | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | *** NOTE: we have overloaded store servers right now, if you're fine to wait a bit for the update, i can suggest playing PuzzleMaster and then try to update later *** | 14:40 |
| tbr | :-] | 14:40 |
| vbmithr | I've got lots of "problem with store" as well | 14:40 |
| tango_ | we need a port of sgt puzzles to sailfish | 14:40 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I can wait some more seconds, sure :D | 14:40 |
| * tango_ is using the android port fttb | 14:40 | |
| ShadowJK | tango_; when people talk about together, it's like they're talking about a completely different website alltogether compared to what jollabrowser gives | 14:41 |
| Venemo | I'm unaware of any android apps that would be worth my attention | 14:41 |
| Tofe | anyway I needed to see if the rest of the world still exists, outside. | 14:41 |
| tango_ | ShadowJK: what? | 14:41 |
| parasemic | venemo: can you try typing with OS keyboard and tapping A right on the edge of the screen and see if you get lacking haptics and missing big letters? | 14:41 |
| tango_ | Venemo: sgt puzzles | 14:41 |
| tango_ | (and opera, sadly) | 14:41 |
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| ShadowJK | tango_; I'm missing a "request the nonretarded desktop version" feature :) | 14:42 |
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| tango_ | the mobile version isn't THAT bad | 14:42 |
| pdanek1 | Jolla Store is not categorized yet? :O | 14:42 |
| Pnuu | pdanek1: swipe left | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: swipe to the left | 14:43 |
| Venemo | parasemic: the only issue that I can notice on the system keyboard is that haptics are not always on the same level. they always kick in (sometimes I can hardly feel them) and the big letters always appear too. I'm on 1.0.2.5 | 14:43 |
| pdanek1 | CHA, got it | 14:43 |
| pdanek1 | sorry, those are my 1st moves with Jolla | 14:43 |
| Venemo | tango_: what is sgt puzzles? | 14:43 |
| pdanek1 | + still at work | 14:43 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 14:43 |
| Turski | any ideas where are the user-created ambiences stored? | 14:44 |
| pdanek1 | do we have some growth chart how quickly are the apps added to store? | 14:44 |
| tango_ | Venemo: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/ a must-have collection of logic puzzles | 14:44 |
| tango_ | available for practically every platform | 14:44 |
| tango_ | needs a mer port though | 14:44 |
| parasemic | venemo: how about if you start tapping the screen outside and slowly move toward the keyboard. for me the letters on the edge start registering but big letters and haptics kick in after a few millimeters more towards inside | 14:44 |
| tango_ | sailfish | 14:44 |
| tango_ | whatever | 14:45 |
| Iltsu | Any ideas how to troubleshoot that my Jolla store won't open and system update doesn't work? | 14:45 |
| tango_ | Iltsu: overloaded servers | 14:45 |
| parasemic | iltsu the servers are loaded, just wait | 14:45 |
| tango_ | we need a bot here | 14:45 |
| Iltsu | okay, I tought that I broke something :D | 14:45 |
| parasemic | :D | 14:45 |
| pdanek1 | I love how only bare minimum of apps is installed out of the box! Amazinf... | 14:45 |
| Venemo | parasemic: if I start tapping from outside the screen, it's registered as a swipe | 14:46 |
| Pnuu | Iltsu: everybody's asking that, every 2 mins or so :-D | 14:46 |
| Iltsu | I think it should give error, not just crash | 14:46 |
| Venemo | parasemic: AAAAH, I see it! I see it! | 14:46 |
| Venemo | parasemic: big letters don't appear for me either | 14:46 |
| parasemic | yeah, seems like its just a millimeter off the edge where the big letters bug | 14:47 |
| Venemo | parasemic: paste a link to the together thread and i'll upvote | 14:47 |
| Venemo | tango_: try puzzle master on the Jolla :) | 14:48 |
| pdanek1 | that OS is so good | 14:48 |
| parasemic | https://together.jolla.com/question/656/keyboard-bugschangesideas/ | 14:49 |
| jubo2 | stereoscopic camera photogrammetric ~ 5€ for the actual CCD if you want the HP to pioneer then dohh.. | 14:49 |
| Venemo | parasemic: seems I already upvoted it a few days ago | 14:49 |
| vbmithr | seems like the servers are overloaded | 14:50 |
| shanttu_mobile | what is the correct way to upgrade package from rpm? pkcon install-local? | 14:50 |
| pdanek1 | Apparently when I try to install ~8 apps at once | 14:50 |
| pdanek1 | some of them will fail | 14:50 |
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| jubo2 | then when you are forced by the markets to adopt Air Swipe UI then dohh for you.. | 14:50 |
| jubo2 | HP does it soon | 14:50 |
| jubo2 | AAPL follows suit | 14:50 |
| parasemic | venemo, ah cool. i just edited the few bugs to be more specific | 14:50 |
| Venemo | parasemic: generally I would've recommended to create a separate thread for each of the bugs; it's kind of crowded now | 14:51 |
| pdanek1 | Do my installed apps get saved in Jolla account profile? | 14:51 |
| pdanek1 | & purchased too | 14:51 |
| parasemic | either way, the keyboard isnt really an issue if you turn the haptics off, but then you lose all haptics including ones in the pulley menu | 14:51 |
| parasemic | so id like to see an option to turn off keyboard haptics only | 14:51 |
| jubo2 | [Friday 27 December 2013] [15:39:25] <jubo2> The deaf-mute will be blissed out once hand gesture UI is obiquitous | 14:52 |
| jubo2 | or will it be "noisy" h*ll | 14:52 |
| Venemo | anyway, ttyl | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | jubo2: i would suggest you make an account at together.jolla.com and participate in the skunkworks tag | 14:52 |
| jubo2 | We could use the computers to teach deaf/mute language | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | parasemic: sounds like a good question for together.j.c | 14:52 |
| jubo2 | to hearers | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | jubo2: it has a larger degree of success | 14:53 |
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| jubo2 | We could use the computers to teach deaf/mute language to hearers.. since the cameras are on anyways so might as well get machine to read sign lang.. even the hearers can do it.. communicate with hand gestures if their OS and HW supports reading it | 14:55 |
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| jubo2 | it's gonna cost 5-10€ for the HW | 14:55 |
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| parasemic | wonder if download stats bug in Jolla store.. i highly doubt android suppor would really be more downloaded than clock | 14:58 |
| parasemic | support* | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | so, store should be feeling better now | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | anybody who still has issues? | 15:00 |
| parasemic | i do, stuck at "checking..." | 15:01 |
| parasemic | also, my apps stopped uninstalling | 15:01 |
| Pnuu | still on "downloading" | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah same daemon | 15:01 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | maybe some people uninstall android support and then install again the support more often than the clock | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | if it doesn't really clear up, give it a reboot | 15:01 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: my apps won't install | 15:01 |
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| parasemic | "Only important notifications (missed call, chat, messages, mails) are shown on Lock screen, all notifications are visible in Events" could this have broken MitäKuuluu notifications? | 15:05 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: Sys update won't download | 15:05 |
| parasemic | i dont have the update yet, just guessing | 15:05 |
| japplo | hi can I remove the yandex store without removing android support? | 15:06 |
| Pnuu | keeps on "downloading", and the next time I check it says "update available", so I guess it's still failing on the "store error" | 15:06 |
| parasemic | well, i still cant get beyong the "checking..." | 15:06 |
| parasemic | beyond* | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | you guys have developer mode? | 15:07 |
| FireFly | parasemic: why not? I could see people not finding timer/alarm useful, but still wanting to use android apps | 15:07 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: yes | 15:07 |
| FireFly | heck, I could even see myself uninstalling clock | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | zypper clean -a as devel-su | 15:07 |
| tobiski | guess i'm not the only one with update problems :) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | and power off, power on | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | .. if you have zypper, i guess | 15:08 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: would need to install zypper .. yeah | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon refresh otherwise | 15:08 |
| tango_ | all updates are no Waiting | 15:08 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: will try | 15:08 |
| Skorpy | japplo: you can remove or rename the yandex stores .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/ | 15:08 |
| tango_ | s/no/now/ | 15:08 |
| parasemic | "packagekit is still running (propably busy)" | 15:08 |
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| parasemic | ah, now it found the update | 15:09 |
| japplo | Skorpy: ok sure, but I cannot remove the application right? | 15:10 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: "fatal error: Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/foo/bar/baz' is temporarily unaccesible" | 15:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Pnuu: you literally have foo/bar/baz? | 15:10 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: no, but didn't wan't to type it all :-) | 15:10 |
| Skorpy | japplo: dunno. haven't tried. I'm happy with just getting rid of the app icon :P | 15:10 |
| Pnuu | just a sec, I'll finish eating and take ssh connection and do a proper copypaste | 15:11 |
| parasemic | stskeeps my phone found the update and started downloading but seems to have stuck there | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit to download | 15:12 |
| parasemic | i will | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: pkcon zypper then | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | er | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | install | 15:12 |
| Plnt | parasemic: yep, same here but it took quite a long time before it started to move last time, too. so i'm giving it some time :) | 15:12 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: on pkcon refresh "Fatail error: ...... is temporarily unaccessible" | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | so i guess still a bit overloaded :) i can wait though | 15:15 |
| Skorpy | ^ | 15:15 |
| Skorpy | same goes for me | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | [another 5 minutes] | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | close and open your store client, perhaps | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | what versions are youon | 15:16 |
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| parasemic | stskeeps it stopped downloading and now says "problem with store" and below "problem with upgrading" | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i need 'ssu lr' from you guys | 15:16 |
| japplo | what is the nemo password for ssh access? | 15:16 |
| Wnt | japplo: you need to set it in Developer mode settings | 15:17 |
| parasemic | Stskeeps what is that? | 15:17 |
| parasemic | sorry, im new to linux | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/U1qcUkvQ | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: i only added mer-tools | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: also, i closed the store client before doing pkcon refresh | 15:18 |
| vbmithr | in the cloud computer era I don't quite get the concept of overloaded server :p | 15:19 |
| japplo | Wnt: thanks, I'm a little bit surprised because Port 22 was already opened | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | ok, my store died now :D | 15:19 |
| Skorpy | http://pastie.org/private/uazze4aneaoapuqjd6cfgq why do I get errors about connman? :D | 15:19 |
| faenil | vbmithr, until you add the money factor into the table ;) | 15:19 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/ssu_lr.txt | 15:20 |
| Plnt | japplo: there is a bug (maybe feature) that the ssh is running even if the remote access is disabled.. https://together.jolla.com/question/2650/disable-ssh-daemon-when-remote-connections-are-disabled/ | 15:20 |
| vbmithr | Well, then | 15:21 |
| * ggabriel rebooting phone... | 15:21 | |
| vbmithr | Use bittorrent to distribute updates | 15:21 |
| faenil | vbmithr, one step at a time :) | 15:21 |
| vbmithr | We should definitely use bittorrent :) | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | actually, i said that before [torrent] | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | but i don't think it's the right way for repo's | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | there are mirrors | 15:21 |
| japplo | Plnt: OK thanks | 15:22 |
| vbmithr | But it's not free then | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | uhm... store still broken after reboot | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | vbmithr: nothing is ever free | 15:22 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: and pkcon refresh: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/pkcon_refresh.txt | 15:22 |
| nffer | ^^ | 15:22 |
| vbmithr | bittorrent is | 15:23 |
| vbmithr | since you already pay for your broadband line | 15:23 |
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| Pnuu | zypper installed fine, will try the devel-su zypper clean -a next | 15:23 |
| ggabriel | vbmithr: on a more serious note, torrents from mobile devices may be a challenge | 15:23 |
| nffer | no load balancing? or backend sucks? | 15:23 |
| ggabriel | eaasy to drain battery, etc etc | 15:23 |
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| jubo2 | Stskeeps: There's a wiki and you point me to together.jolla.com .. I'm there now | 15:24 |
| vbmithr | ggabriel: Not sure it drains battery that much | 15:24 |
| * Stskeeps has to go downtown | 15:24 | |
| jubo2 | Stskeeps: you must explain what happens if I choose or don't choose the "community wiki" checkbox | 15:24 |
| vbmithr | gabriel: that's pretty simple to verify actually | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: try to see if you can get zypper instaleld, but, i need to go now | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 15:24 |
| jubo2 | Stskeeps: tee hyvin | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | i'll do the zypper test next | 15:25 |
| tobiski | Phone says "Update available" but when tapping the notification or selecting from settings pulley menu to update, it doesn't do anything. Are the servers just jammed? | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | tobiski: pretty much | 15:25 |
| tobiski | okay, need to jut wait then | 15:26 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: installed, zypper-cleaned, and now trying to update from store | 15:26 |
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| ggabriel | my pkcon refresh is progressing more than before... | 15:27 |
| Pnuu | and booted in-between | 15:27 |
| nffer | 22% --> "crash" | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | nffer: that happened to me before. it crashed on ~80% now | 15:28 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: still "store error" after zypper clean -a | 15:28 |
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| nffer | thats new :D "XML Parsing Error: no element found" | 15:29 |
| pp_ | someone should upgrade their amazon plan?-) | 15:29 |
| FireFly | For me it said that "Location [...] is temporarily unaccessible." | 15:29 |
| Skorpy | jammed at 11% :P maybe I'll just wait for tomorrow.. :P | 15:29 |
| tobiski | on different note: Is it known bug or feature that the phone wont boot up if it's charging? | 15:29 |
| nffer | i did accidentally remove the dalvik support | 15:30 |
| vbmithr | Maybe the server is being DDOSed ? | 15:30 |
| Pnuu | vbmithr: probably, by the people trying to update :-P | 15:30 |
| FireFly | I think it's just congested because of everyone trying to update | 15:30 |
| nffer | or the backend sucks? store hosted on amazon | 15:31 |
| vbmithr | it is ? | 15:31 |
| nffer | is* | 15:31 |
| nffer | yes | 15:31 |
| pp_ | yup | 15:31 |
| vbmithr | ha, so it's cloud computing for you | 15:31 |
| vbmithr | and the congestion issue is dubious then | 15:31 |
| pp_ | there's a big difference between the different plans :-) | 15:32 |
| pp_ | (also in price) | 15:32 |
| vbmithr | Or there is millions jollas around maybe :) | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | anybody managed to resurrect the jolla store when it doesn't even start? | 15:32 |
| nffer | NetRange: 54.192.0.0 - 54.207.255.255 is for amazon dig -x says 59.49.194.54.in-addr.arpa. 300INPTRec2-54-194-49-59.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com. | 15:32 |
| vbmithr | ggabriel: I did not touch mine since the issues | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | i'll try killing it | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | in a minute | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | or two | 15:33 |
| covox | huh, so they're using EC2? | 15:33 |
| vbmithr | I'm waiting for people stopping DDOSing the server :) | 15:34 |
| pp_ | yay, I got in! | 15:34 |
| Pnuu | "clock: downloading" | 15:35 |
| jubo2 | https://together.jolla.com/questions/3872/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui ~ jubo-jubo 1st post | 15:36 |
| jubo2 | that is if I wrote the URL right.. | 15:36 |
| covox | so just a VPS, not a CDN :P | 15:36 |
| parasemic | jubo2, well, you didnt :p | 15:37 |
| jubo2 | parasemic: shit.. | 15:37 |
| parasemic | https://together.jolla.com/question/3827/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui/ | 15:37 |
| parasemic | theres the link | 15:37 |
| jubo2 | https://together.jolla.com/questions/3827/2nd-upfacing-camera-to-capture-hand-gestures-to-ui ~ jubo-jubo 1st post | 15:37 |
| Turski | jubo2: question, not questions | 15:38 |
| jubo2 | it's stupid that I have no NFC device to copy-pick-and-drop-paste between machines | 15:38 |
| jubo2 | but this is a whole another post issue | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | killing the jolla-client process didn't fix it | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | uhm... | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | or store-client, rather | 15:39 |
| parasemic | hmm, now my store stopped offering download and just says "searching" | 15:40 |
| pp_ | they're probably busy updating to a bigger instance :-) | 15:41 |
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| jubo2 | there is this one antique thing called USB-stick.. you need to open editor, write, save, copy-to-USB, eject USB, stick USB to another, copy file, open file, and copy-paste | 15:41 |
| jubo2 | So far there is not MSFT SkyDrive for Linux .. | 15:42 |
| Pnuu | apparently I managed to update 2/6 of app updates | 15:42 |
| Yaniel | jubo2: let me tell you about this floppy relic | 15:42 |
| jubo2 | but for NFC it's a killer application | 15:42 |
| FireFly | Yaniel: do they contain traces of ancient knowledge? | 15:43 |
| jubo2 | copy, toss to NFC, toss from NFC, paste beats the USB stick way | 15:43 |
| Pnuu | must be aliens | 15:43 |
| Yaniel | mostly yes | 15:43 |
| artemma | Do you know if harbour's QA is actually working these days? | 15:44 |
| jubo2 | also recycling and mass transit transponders will be so candy | 15:44 |
| jubo2 | unless the NFC Consortium fumbled it up and no-one wants it | 15:45 |
| AJAX555 | damn can't get jolla store open | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: same here... trying to get pkcon refresh to actually finish | 15:45 |
| artemma | I sort'of thought that harbour receives small enough submission for even one tester to process them quickly. Yet my app is for 5 days in QA by now. Apple's app store even processes submissions faster | 15:45 |
| jubo2 | Is Jolla Ltd a member in NFC consortium | 15:47 |
| covox | artemma: you might want to take a look at a calendar | 15:47 |
| jubo2 | or just have knowledge on how it's implemented, according to which rules.. | 15:47 |
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| parasemic | guess ill go play something for a while until the overload has eased up :p | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | packagekit.org's doc sucks a little bit | 15:48 |
| artemma | covox: I beleive some people were supposed to stay at harbour, but yeah.. I just want my flashlight to be approved :) | 15:48 |
| nffer | or they patch their shit | 15:48 |
| kontio | artemma: there were, but as mentioned not full steam... so the queue piles up... | 15:50 |
| Pnuu | artemma: there's a lower-than-normal people at work currently, until Jan 7th (iirc) | 15:50 |
| jubo2 | "Arr! Arr! Arr! I can sail plenty of those." ~ jubo-jubo on speaking with Londoners | 15:50 |
| artemma | Jan 7.. ok, at least there's a date then :) | 15:50 |
| kontio | artemma: to be fair out of the 5 days, 3 were public holidays... | 15:50 |
| Pnuu | artemma: I'll try to find where I saw that.. | 15:51 |
| kontio | and developers still submit over x-mas... seems they don't have a life :-) | 15:51 |
| artemma | it might be unfair to compare to Apple app store, but those guys worked fine, yet gave a clear promise and kept it (submissions closed on a given date, reopened on a given date) | 15:51 |
| kontio | was in the harbour-news mail we sent | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | artemma: IMHO s/might be/is/ | 15:52 |
| Pnuu | artemma: could be the 3-4 orders of magnitude in the amount of people working.. | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | wow pkcon refresh finished | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | what now? :) | 15:52 |
| junnuvi | guys, do you know pkcon update will do same than installing update via gui? | 15:53 |
| artemma | I think I am more after precision in estimates and promises. Spoiled by being able to track the process in app store. Harbour is just in QA for days without any details and notifications | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | artemma: sounds like something to suggest in together.j.c | 15:53 |
| kontio | artemma: we announced in https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001863.html that you have to expect delays... | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | they could put some more reporting | 15:53 |
| artemma | yes | 15:53 |
| artemma | okay, I should have not been talking about it | 15:54 |
| Pnuu | hay, a new error message: "store error\n unable to upgrade" | 15:54 |
| artemma | proper question should be: do you know if by any chance a submission queue is still going these days? | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | ok, pkcon refresh finished, rebooted, but store is still down | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | i'll try pkcon update | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | what's the worse that can happen? | 15:55 |
| kontio | artemma: yes, today somebody was working... and last Monday somebody was working, but not 24th, 25th and 26th... and tomorrow and Sunday again nobody will work... | 15:55 |
| MMori | any knowledge here on why won't the system update download and install? | 15:55 |
| artemma | kontio: thanks | 15:55 |
| kontio | back on Monday somebody will work... | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | junnuvi: doing pkcon update myself | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | it installs a lot of packages :) | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | including the store client | 15:56 |
| junnuvi | yes, I noticed :) | 15:56 |
| artemma | my device doesn't see firmware update at all. Maybe it's not deployed to all the devices at the same time? | 15:57 |
| MMori | artemma I suppose so | 15:57 |
| Pnuu | artemma: it is, but the store is just not performing as it should | 15:57 |
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| artemma | App store only shows a number of app updates and fails to install them. That seems to be discussed already, so I'll just wait | 15:58 |
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| covox | MMori: the VPS running the store is being beaten like a rented mule | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | artemma: unless restoring to factory settings doesn't bother you at this point, i suggest you wait | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | my store broke | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | pkcon refresh eventually finished | 15:58 |
| artemma | ggabriel: waiting is a little easier :) | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | i'm doing pkcon update and installing a lot of packages | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | i'll reboot afterwards and report what happens | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | if i break it, i restore :D | 15:59 |
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| MMori | good to know it's a common problem | 15:59 |
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| ggabriel | it shouldn't break so miserably though... there must be a depenency issue somewhere | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | like... the store should live if the update fails N times | 15:59 |
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| ggabriel | Fatal error: Timeout exceeded when accessing 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/armv7hl/kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?credentials=store'. | 16:00 |
| junnuvi | Fatal error: Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/repodata/repomd.xml?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible. | 16:01 |
| FireFly | Same | 16:01 |
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| FireFly | though it seems to be up now again (meaning: refrehsing is stalled at 0%) | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone managed to find what the kernel package is - if it's even available? | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Or where to download it from. ^source | 16:01 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; i think the official reply to source is "Make a GPL source code request" | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Is it a necessary step before they tell you to fuck off? | 16:18 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc I saw someone on tmo who went through the hoops and got sauce | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Does this mean he can redistribute it now though? GPL seems to imply that. | 16:19 |
| pp_ | hopefully they stick it on github or similar :-) | 16:20 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, should I update jolla? Traveling tomorrow and online tickets on the phone :/ | 16:21 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: nope | 16:21 |
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| RaYmAn | RST38h: not just imply, require. It'd be illegal to put further requirements on code distribution (unless you are in an employment situation with them) | 16:22 |
| ggabriel | mcfrisk: i recommend against it | 16:22 |
| * ggabriel not a jolla employee, just being friendly here ;-) | 16:22 | |
| ShadowJK | store seems dead for me still | 16:23 |
| mcfrisk | thanks chem|st & ggabriel, will wait another night, playing safe should not hurt | 16:23 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: how's the pkcon update going? | 16:23 |
| Elleo | mcfrisk: at the moment the new os package won't download and if you try to update apps before installing it you'll end up in a bit of a mess | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: pkcon update failed 3 times so far | 16:23 |
| * RST38h suddenly finds that holly is the last surviving genus of its taxonomical family | 16:23 | |
| RST38h | Merry Christmas =) | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: at the downloading package stage, but it fails on different things, so maybe it's downloading stuff | 16:23 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: ok, say maybe I'll just wait (5 mins, then retry) | 16:24 |
| mcfrisk | Elleo: thanks, figured there was something since saw the sailfish-devel thread | 16:24 |
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| Elleo | mcfrisk: yeah, that was me getting into a mess on the sailfish-devel thread :P | 16:24 |
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| FireFly | Is there anything that'd break if the hostname of the jolla was changed? 'localhost' seems like a rather stupid choice of hostname for a device | 16:26 |
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| TheBootroo | ohai | 16:26 |
| TheBootroo | i see the last update of sailfish 1.0.2.25 | 16:26 |
| chem|st | repo is down... | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | hey TheBootroo | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | but when i try to download it i got error banner "issue with shop" | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | yeah, don't try to upgrade tho | 16:27 |
| FireFly | let me guess, you're going to say you can't install it | 16:27 |
| FireFly | :D | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | i tried reboot many times | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | update? | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | \o/ | 16:27 |
| chem|st | or at least pkcon refresh cannot update package list | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | and switching connections too | 16:27 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: everyone is in the same boat (no pun intended) | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | splash | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | changelogs anywhere? | 16:27 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: it seems jolla's side of things is a bit congested | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | FireFly: oh ok | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: in together.j.c | 16:27 |
| FireFly | Yaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 16:27 |
| FireFly | er, wrong | 16:27 |
| TheBootroo | lot of days passed since i last connected here | 16:27 |
| Elleo | Yaniel: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ | 16:28 |
| Pnuu | anyone has the count how many times this has been come up already?-D | 16:28 |
| Yaniel | awesome | 16:28 |
| FireFly | there it is | 16:28 |
| TheBootroo | wow, together is available ? i missed this info | 16:28 |
| Yaniel | gcal sync is caldav? | 16:28 |
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| TheBootroo | Yaniel: i hope it is | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | ok, i've given up, will try pkcon update later | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | when i'm back from climbing | 16:30 |
| pp_ | pkcon will do all of the necessary updating? | 16:30 |
| Yaniel | climbing? have fun | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | pp_: i have no idea, but i don't care to restore to factory settings | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | so, happy to report here | 16:31 |
| pp_ | :-) | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | Jolla needs bigger servers :D | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | (okay there is no way not to :D) | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps suggesterd pkcon refresh | 16:31 |
| ggabriel | i did that and now i'm trying update | 16:31 |
| pp_ | lots of updated packages available but I suppose there might be some magic in the very low-level stuff | 16:31 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: thanks, i'll go a bit later, when the n9 finishes chargin | 16:32 |
| pp_ | or maybe it's just pkcon and reboot | 16:32 |
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| ggabriel | pp_: well, pkcon refresh + reboot was suggested, but then my store went berserck | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | so i'm trying cli | 16:32 |
| ggabriel | if cli doesn't work, factory reset and gg | 16:32 |
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| pp_ | zypper seems to be a bit better in retrying | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | the thing is, it times out | 16:33 |
| ggabriel | first on a package, then on another one | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | you need to download a bit under 200 packages | 16:34 |
| pp_ | Retrieving: kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.[error] | 16:34 |
| pp_ | Location 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/armv7hl/kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm?credentials=store' is temporarily unaccessible. | 16:34 |
| pp_ | Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i] (r): | 16:34 |
| pp_ | Autoselecting 'r' after 22 seconds. r | 16:34 |
| pp_ | Retrieving: kernel-adaptation-sbj-3.4.0.20131212.3-10.13.1.j[done (827.1 KiB/s)] | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i got stuck on that one too | 16:34 |
| locusf | yeah same for me | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | download seems to be pretty fast for you pp_ | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | well, "pretty fast" | 16:35 |
| RST38h | a1 | 16:35 |
| pp_ | 11n + 100Mbps :-) | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | considering the people trying to upgrade | 16:35 |
| Pnuu | yup, and that's basically the same error that ends up in journal from shop gui | 16:35 |
| Pnuu | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/store_journal.txt | 16:35 |
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| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 16:39 |
| junnuvi | wow, now gui update at least looks different | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | is there a, uh, "list" of the together "magic urls" anywhere? Like getting list of most popular topics | 16:41 |
| raa70 | guess it's not the best time trying to update apps either? | 16:41 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: front page, sort by: | 16:41 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont see a sort by | 16:42 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: just below the search box :-P | 16:43 |
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| ShadowJK | the only thing below the search box is what seems to be a list of newest entries | 16:44 |
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| ShadowJK | or list sorted by fewest answers.. I'm not sure | 16:45 |
| Pnuu | above that, on the same line as "832 questions" | 16:45 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont have a line like that | 16:45 |
| Pnuu | just before RSS-feed | 16:45 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:answers-asc/page:1/ | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | i dont have a RSS-feed thing either. | 16:46 |
| Pnuu | have you signed in? | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | Yep. | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly, typing "Jolla Store" into search returns 0 results, despite presumably from the URL posted above, such a thing should exist.. | 16:47 |
| Pnuu | there's no www store yet | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | No I mean to access to topic regarding jolla store failing | 16:48 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: maybe you have scrolled a bit down, and the sorting is hidden behind the header? | 16:48 |
| Pnuu | ah, the search is a bit unintuitivie | 16:48 |
| Pnuu | -typos | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | Header? | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | so how to install this update? | 16:49 |
| Pnuu | yeah, the part where the search box is | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | I haven't done any store updated but still get that store error | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | if I scroll down the search goess offscreen | 16:49 |
| Pnuu | Morpog_PC: by waiting for the servers to be able to handle the load, I guess | 16:49 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: ghostery or noscript in use? | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | No | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, I slept a few hours and thought after that its settled, wrong assumption then :D | 16:50 |
| Pnuu | which browser? | 16:50 |
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| Hartzi | anyone else having problems with the store app? Mine wont start anymore :| | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | The search seems to get autofocus, which is a bit annoying. Keyboard pops up and covers half the screen, and there are very few areas without hotspots to tap on to hide the keyboard | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | Sailfish browser of course :P | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | Hartzi; yep | 16:50 |
| Pnuu | Hartzi: try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/?answer=3855#post-id-3855 | 16:50 |
| pp_ | oooh, it started downloading at mad speed! | 16:51 |
| Hartzi | fuuuuu | 16:51 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess all those N9 users with sailfishos steal our bandwith :D | 16:51 |
| Aard | Hartzi: did you update email before updating the os? | 16:51 |
| AJAX555 | damn n9 users! | 16:51 |
| pp_ | ... maybe should have only mentioned after I got everything at 2MB/s :-) | 16:51 |
| ShadowJK | Oh | 16:51 |
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| ggabriel | pp_: nice :) | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | so will def work after i come back bwahaha | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | Now that I look at the URL, it says scope:unanswered.. So with sailfish browser I can only view/search unanswered questions? | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | that's kinda ... broken :P | 16:52 |
| junnuvi | maybe update will fix that? :P | 16:52 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: click all | 16:52 |
| Quu | anyone got app updates on jolla store? | 16:53 |
| Quu | says to me there are 6 updates but cant install them | 16:53 |
| ShadowJK | Pnuu; I don't have "all" | 16:53 |
| raa70 | Quu: store is jammed | 16:53 |
| Hartzi | Aard: yes because it offered only few software updates. Store seems to work now. | 16:53 |
| Quu | kk. | 16:53 |
| Aard | Hartzi: are you on 1.0.2.5, or older version? | 16:53 |
| Hartzi | older atm | 16:53 |
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| Hartzi | trying to update now | 16:53 |
| valdur55 | wow. tidings have pull-up menu | 16:54 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: maybe it's a mobile version of the page then :-P | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | And it's totally unusable :P | 16:54 |
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| ShadowJK | Do I really have to use android firefox to view a .jolla.com page? Srsly :P | 16:54 |
| Pnuu | well, the browser isn't that good anyway.. | 16:55 |
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| ShadowJK | What's more amusing, if I submitted a question regarding the usability of the website, as soon as anyone replied to it, the question would immediately disappear from my point of view, and I could be led to believe that I somehow messed up submitting it, and resubmit it | 16:56 |
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| pp_ | there, rebooting after update | 16:58 |
| pp_ | don't brick on me! | 16:58 |
| Hartzi | mine still won't update :| | 16:58 |
| Hartzi | too much traffic? | 16:58 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: you probably need to browse all questions, not unanswered ones? | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | Turski; again, there's no way to select all questions. | 16:59 |
| ShadowJK | Try it yourself in sailfish browser.. | 16:59 |
| Turski | ah, we're talking about sailfish browser... | 16:59 |
| pp_ | Maadajävri o.O | 16:59 |
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| Turski | still unable to get... | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | Turski; i guess with android support and firefox it would be usable, but it's kinda amusing I'd have to use android browser for a .jolla.com page :) | 17:00 |
| Turski | i've tried it only on desktop browser | 17:01 |
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| ShadowJK | Sailfish browser obviously does not have a desktop mode :/ | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | though firefox and opera does | 17:02 |
| Turski | it seems to show all questions by default? | 17:02 |
| Pnuu | pp_: http://www.jarviwiki.fi/wiki/Maadaj%C3%A4vri?&setlang=en&setskin=koitere | 17:02 |
| ShadowJK | Unanswered ones, I think | 17:02 |
| pp_ | yea, apparently not a typo :-) | 17:02 |
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| Turski | ShadowJK: at least i see answered questions too | 17:03 |
| Pnuu | no, it's in sami language (one of them, Inari sami I believe) | 17:03 |
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| ShadowJK | weird | 17:04 |
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| Quu | hmm also | 17:05 |
| Quu | phone seems to lose my google login adaily | 17:05 |
| Turski | ooh, finally update downloading started | 17:05 |
| Quu | OS update? | 17:06 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: there's a wiki of finnish seas? | 17:06 |
| Turski | Quu: yes | 17:06 |
| Quu | nice | 17:06 |
| Quu | now i just need to get it lol | 17:06 |
| Pnuu | FireFly: lakes, yes | 17:06 |
| Aard | FireFly: it's pretty incomplete, though | 17:06 |
| FireFly | er, yes | 17:06 |
| FireFly | 'sjö' ≠'sea' ._. | 17:07 |
| Pnuu | there's "quite" many of them :-) | 17:07 |
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| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: rebooting device probably solved Jolla Store issues. | 17:07 |
| * ShadowJK can't get pkcon refresh to complete without error | 17:08 | |
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| FireFly | 'refresh' is updating repo package lists, right? | 17:12 |
| Pnuu | yes | 17:13 |
| ShadowJK | pkcon install store-client worked though | 17:13 |
| ShadowJK | and after pkill store-client, store is working again \o/ | 17:13 |
| Pnuu | but still no maadujävri download :-/ | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | atleast I'm as far as spinning store now :) | 17:14 |
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| Elleo | I've apparently downloaded the firmware update, although the progress bar on the actual installation isn't doing much :/ | 17:17 |
| Elleo | it was possibly a mistake to let it upgrade :/ | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, it started downloading the update finally | 17:18 |
| Elleo | ah, its booted | 17:19 |
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| Elleo | but still reporting 1.0.1.12 in the about page :/ | 17:19 |
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| Hartzi | same here | 17:20 |
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| pp_ | yay, instagram now takes photos! | 17:20 |
| Pnuu | pp_: and doesn't ruin them?-) | 17:21 |
| Elleo | Hartzi: had you also manually upgraded the store-client after updating jolla apps? just wondering if that might cause problems with the overall upgrade | 17:21 |
| Hartzi | Elleo: yes | 17:21 |
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| Nicd- | hmh, my phone is still not seeing the update | 17:24 |
| nander | update?! | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | OS 1.0.2.5 | 17:25 |
| tbr | christmas update is out | 17:25 |
| nander | Not seen here either | 17:25 |
| tbr | but servers are overloaded | 17:25 |
| nander | lol | 17:25 |
| nander | I can open the app store | 17:25 |
| Pnuu | which repositories should be listed in ssu lr? | 17:27 |
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| Pnuu | I have these: global: adaptation0, adaptation1, aliendalvik, apps, eas, hotfixes, jolla, user: store | 17:28 |
| Venemo | I got the update when it was still fresh and the servers weren't overloaded :P | 17:29 |
| tango_ | I hate you guys | 17:29 |
| Morpog_PC | 75% downloaded :) | 17:29 |
| FireFly | sorry :( | 17:29 |
| nander | My phone was connected permanently, but still I didn't get the update | 17:29 |
| pp_ | Pnuu: dunno, had nothing I wanted to post | 17:29 |
| pp_ | google goggles too \:D/ | 17:29 |
| Quu | pp_: it works? | 17:30 |
| Quu | neeaaat | 17:30 |
| nander | anything new for the christmas update? | 17:30 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | Pnuu: same as mine, plus mer-tools under user, which I added manually | 17:30 |
| Pnuu | check | 17:30 |
| pp_ | yep, google maps in c:geo is still broken (surprise, it uses a deprecated undocumented api call) | 17:30 |
| pp_ | lessee if my paid amazing alex still crashes | 17:30 |
| tango_ | we need an osm native app | 17:30 |
| Venemo | nander: see the release notes on together | 17:31 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: I think your comment to https://together.jolla.com/question/3904/when-performing-a-factory-reset-1005-always-present-afterwards/ should be a reply, not a comment | 17:31 |
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| tango_ | Pnuu: you can promote it | 17:31 |
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| FireFly | That one actually does seems like it should be an answer, yes | 17:32 |
| FireFly | ...contrary to like 70% of the "answers" that really should be comments :\ | 17:32 |
| Pnuu | tango_: yeah, was considering that when writing :-) promoted now | 17:33 |
| msknight | Possible bug - deleted all e-mails and emptied trash as well (is it possible for an "Empty Trash" in the deleted items pull down please?) and it looks like the mail_attachments are still there. Sorry can't hang around. Pie is cooked. Turkey, of course :-( | 17:33 |
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| nander | update server is 100% down? | 17:39 |
| nander | My phone is stuck at 'Checking for update...' | 17:40 |
| FireFly | Mine was forever, too | 17:40 |
| nander | so it's a queue? | 17:40 |
| FireFly | then suddenly it said "hey, an update is available" while I was having idle on the homescreen | 17:40 |
| FireFly | dunno | 17:41 |
| nander | Was the download itself quickly? | 17:41 |
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| FireFly | not really... I haven't gotten it to download yet :P | 17:41 |
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| nander | Ok, I'm gonna cook dinner then ;). After that I'll take a look at my phone and if nothing happens, I'll boot up dishonored ;) | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | so, SNAFU? | 17:42 |
| nander | I really love that game ;) | 17:42 |
| Turski | wow... my phone actually downloaded all the packages once but then failed to install | 17:42 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: the logs you asked: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/ssu_lr.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/pkcon_refresh.txt https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12078191/store_journal.txt | 17:43 |
| Turski | and GUI didn't show any progress about downloading | 17:43 |
| HtheB | Nothing happens on my phone :p | 17:43 |
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| HtheB | when choosing 'update device' :P | 17:43 |
| HtheB | it says only update available | 17:43 |
| pdanek1 | http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/jolla-2-concept/ | 17:44 |
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| pdanek1 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh/lq33kxi1qkv0lhs/x4NoGjej-2/Jolla2ConceptPhone.jpg?token_hash=AAESeZ7qjkoWlu7BAlUuKhh84fiRo9APBn-Cr3IMLCfzvw | 17:44 |
| pdanek1 | THAT KEYBOARD!!!!!!!!! | 17:44 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: is it now noral that nothing shows up? | 17:46 |
| Nicd- | yay, now it sees the update :) | 17:46 |
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| Nicd- | HtheB: pull down to update | 17:46 |
| HtheB | I mean, the update is shown, but when I try to update, nothing is happened | 17:46 |
| spider-mario | I thought I had made my phone download everything it needed for the update by running `pkcon --only-download update` | 17:46 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: yes, that does nothing :) | 17:47 |
| spider-mario | but when I try to perform the update via the UI, it still wants to download it | 17:47 |
| HtheB | as if no action is selected at all | 17:47 |
| spider-mario | oh, nevermind, it now suggests to install it | 17:48 |
| HtheB | >,< | 17:48 |
| spider-mario | ha, killed my ssh session before I closed it myself. :p | 17:48 |
| nander | by the way, whoever put up that config file for eduroam | 17:49 |
| nander | Thanks! | 17:49 |
| Elleo | HtheB: did you update the jolla apps? | 17:49 |
| pp_ | hmn, where's the ui bits for the google calendar sync? | 17:50 |
| Elleo | HtheB: if so the store will crash at launch until you manually upgrade the store-client | 17:50 |
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| pp_ | can't find them in the calendar app nor the google account thing | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | how many still have problems with upgrading? | 17:51 |
| chem|st | pdanek1: I'd prefer exactly the same device just 4" instead of 4.5" and 4GB ram - and please stick to toh and make more than one device with the same toh | 17:51 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: 1 | 17:51 |
| Nicd- | mine is "searching" | 17:51 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: yup. | 17:51 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: me too o/ | 17:51 |
| Quu | been "searching" or whatever for about 20min now | 17:51 |
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| Quu | oh, 45min | 17:51 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: I had it apparently download once, attempt to install and then boot back to 1.0.1.12 | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | okay, second question, how many of you removed tutorial app? | 17:52 |
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| Quu | yup. | 17:52 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: nope | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | I didn't | 17:52 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: nope | 17:52 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I reinstalled everything 2 nights ago | 17:52 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: but I did upgrade the store-client after upgrading the jolla apps broke it | 17:52 |
| Hartzi | Stskeeps: nope | 17:52 |
| nander | I didn't | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:52 |
| nander | Because it's nice to show off the device | 17:52 |
| nander | And.. It's a device that people ask questions about ;) | 17:53 |
| nander | It's obviously 'different' ;) | 17:53 |
| nander | No 'what lumia is that' | 17:53 |
| nander | No 'what andriod version are you running' | 17:53 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: just a thought, is it worth for them to try to update with pkcon? | 17:53 |
| nander | More like: what on earth is that ;) | 17:53 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Stskeeps: is is intented that after this update the tutorial app is removed? | 17:53 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: what is jolla-demo and jolla-retail? is it of any use for demoing the device? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | nothing useful | 17:53 |
| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: no the tutorial app has borked dependencies | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | HarhaanJohtaja: no, basically the tutorial app removal broke stuff :P | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: no, should always be done through store | 17:54 |
| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: removing it removes preloaded ambiences and tracker-utils and stuff | 17:54 |
| tango_ | there's a deluge of t.j.c complaints about the inability to upgrade | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps; store-client died, pkcon install store-client, OS Update, About product still shows 1.0.1.12 Laadunjärvi | 17:54 |
| tango_ | there should be a big fat warning about the server overload | 17:54 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i did not remove it the recent update removed it | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | errr | 17:54 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: pkcon refresh jsut went through... without errors | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | mine went "searching" and now it says "up to date 1.0.2.5" | 17:55 |
| Nicd- | without rebooting and all that | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: good | 17:55 |
| tango_ | oh, time to try the update myself now | 17:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well i have not booted my phone if it might show up | 17:55 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: should I try via store or cli. now? | 17:55 |
| pdanek1 | update doesn't update all at once, seems to be in 2 steps for me | 17:55 |
| ShadowJK | oh it offers update again, but it just rebooted to do update... :P | 17:55 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: for me too the tutorial app disappeared after the upgrade | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | intruiging | 17:55 |
| Pnuu | still SNAFU in here | 17:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hey all, i'm at a holiday house now! | 17:56 |
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| Quu | Stskeeps: i got the tutorial app back with the update but removed it.. :p | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | best way to check is close store, go into system settings -> about product and check | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | (imho) | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC | Update was successfull! :D | 17:56 |
| Nicd- | mine went "searching" and now it says "up to date 1.0.2.5", but about product says 1.0.1.12 | 17:56 |
| FireFly | Uh oh. I think I'll wait with updating if updating removes the tutorial app | 17:56 |
| Pnuu | pkcon refresh is stuck to "Waiting in queue" | 17:56 |
| nander | the server is busy | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: waiting in queue = something else is using packagekit | 17:57 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: it does not start downloading | 17:57 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: shouldn't be | 17:58 |
| FireFly | <HarhaanJohtaj⋯ i did not remove it the recent update removed it | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: it takes ages to start download | 17:58 |
| spider-mario | oh, have the icons of the settings app and the gallery been updated? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | Pnuu: store is there? | 17:58 |
| FireFly | ↑ the 'System update' to 1.0.2.5? | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: nope, closed | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC | spider-mario, look same to me | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | now it went a bit ahead and got stuck in "Refreshing software list" | 17:58 |
| spider-mario | I hadn’t payed enough attention to them, then | 17:59 |
| Hartzi | It seems that the update deleted the tutorial app | 17:59 |
| tango_ | am I the only one finding the phone to be heavy on the wrist when using single-handed? | 17:59 |
| Venemo | tango_: to me, it feels lighter than the N9 | 17:59 |
| FireFly | Hartzi: do you still have the default ambiences if you check under gallery > ambience? | 17:59 |
| tango_ | Venemo: I don't have an N9 | 18:00 |
| FireFly | tango_: me too, especially because of how much you have to do near the top of the screen | 18:00 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | FireFly: i have | 18:00 |
| FireFly | (app launching, closing apps, ..) | 18:00 |
| FireFly | HarhaanJohtaja: I guess they fixed the weird dependency issues then | 18:01 |
| FireFly | between the tutorial app and ambience/other stuff | 18:01 |
| Quu | hue. | 18:01 |
| Quu | "ERROR: Unknown Error" | 18:01 |
| tango_ | another question: what _is_ the twitter app that gets invoked from the notification? | 18:01 |
| tango_ | it doesn't seem to be listed among the apps | 18:01 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: is the update supposed to remove the tutorial app? | 18:01 |
| tango_ | is it only accessible from notifications? | 18:01 |
| Elleo | tango_: it just loads the twitter mobile website | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: let's assume something went wrong for a bit ;) | 18:01 |
| Hartzi | FireFly: yes I think so | 18:01 |
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| FireFly | Hm ok | 18:02 |
| tango_ | Elleo: when you say "go to twitter" yes. but not when showing the twits | 18:02 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: after installing the upgrade a second time it appears to have been applied | 18:02 |
| Elleo | tango_: oh do you mean on the event screen? | 18:02 |
| tango_ | yes | 18:02 |
| tango_ | is that just the notification app handling twitter internally? | 18:02 |
| Elleo | that's part of the event screen | 18:02 |
| Elleo | yeah | 18:02 |
| Azog | does google play still work with the update? | 18:03 |
| tango_ | anyway, servers still hammered apparently | 18:03 |
| pdanek1 | Guys, does it happen to you too? I try to update the device, it says downloading... then it finishes but version stays the same and I can update again. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: got developer mode or not? | 18:03 |
| tango_ | has anybody tried playing spaceteam (android game) in sailfish? | 18:03 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: no devel mode | 18:03 |
| pdanek1 | yet | 18:03 |
| pdanek1 | just unpacked the device today | 18:03 |
| pdanek1 | I mean, unboxed | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:03 |
| Elleo | pdanek1: after doing the update a second time it worked for me | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'll flash a device with 1.0.0.5 now and go through same things as you guys | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | and then 1.12 afterwards | 18:04 |
| tango_ | so I should disable devel mode before running the upgrade? | 18:04 |
| pp_ | hmn, looks like reauthenticating google made calendars work | 18:04 |
| pdanek1 | let me see one more time | 18:04 |
| Elleo | tango_: worked for me in devel mode (after doing it twice) | 18:04 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: ag ok | 18:04 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: as for your question regarding updating. i still get the "Problem with store" message when trying to do system update (i didn't updated any of the apps). i don't have developer mode enabled. | 18:04 |
| pdanek1 | now I was watching the process all time and it sais: problem with store | 18:04 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I'm curious how it'll go. I have developer mode enabled and the upgrade worked, however the tutorial app disappeared | 18:05 |
| pdanek1 | says* | 18:05 |
| Elleo | problem with store seems to be issues downloading due to the load | 18:05 |
| Elleo | I had to try quite a few times before it downloaded it each time | 18:05 |
| pdanek1 | alright | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: close and open store? | 18:05 |
| pdanek1 | Stskeeps: so false alert, don't flash | 18:05 |
| krnlyng | is there a way to change the "swipe from edge of screen" behaviour? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek1: will do anyway | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: i tried even to reboot the device | 18:05 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: it didn't help | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: hmm ok | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Plnt: you're on what version? | 18:05 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: 1.0.1.12 | 18:06 |
| tobiski | the store app wont even start on my device, it says "loading" on the cover for a while and then disappears | 18:06 |
| Elleo | tobiski: I suspect you upgraded the jolla apps? | 18:06 |
| Pnuu | tobiski: try this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 18:06 |
| Elleo | tobiski: if so you'll need to upgrade the store-client manually, as it gets broken by upgrading the jolla apps prior to doing the system upgrade | 18:07 |
| pdanek1 | Can I even setup automatic updating? :O | 18:07 |
| tobiski | it said that there are updates for apps but when I selected "update all" they all just went to "waiting" state and stayed at that point | 18:07 |
| tango_ | oh wait I should upgrade the os before the apps? | 18:07 |
| HtheB | Elleo: yeah :( | 18:07 |
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| Elleo | tango_: yeah, the apps will break the store | 18:07 |
| Elleo | tango_: and if you don't have developer mode enabled you won't be able to fix it with out resetting the device | 18:07 |
| __pv_ | the server still seems to be quite overloaded... | 18:08 |
| tango_ | Elleo: good to know | 18:08 |
| tobiski | Elleo: thanks, I'll try the solution in the link | 18:08 |
| tango_ | I'll stop the apps upgrade. stuck in waiting ayway | 18:08 |
| Hartzi | wtf store doesn't update the email client. Can I do it manually with terminal? | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | Hartzi: give it a bit, e-mail was part of the cause of the troubles people are seeing :) | 18:09 |
| Elleo | Hartzi: I wouldn't recommend upgrading anything until you've managed to get the OS update installed | 18:09 |
| Hartzi | I just managed to do it | 18:09 |
| Venemo | so... | 18:09 |
| Elleo | ah, good | 18:09 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: btw. is there some risk when developer mode is enabled during the updates or it doesn't matter? | 18:09 |
| Venemo | Jolla didn't anticipate that all owners will want to update at once and doesn't have enough server capacity? | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 18:09 |
| Elleo | Plnt: there's a risk in *not* having developer mode enabled, since you can't rescue it when it breaks without a reset ;) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, only a risk if you didn't do something stupid :P (developer mode) | 18:10 |
| Plnt | Elleo: yeah i know about that one but i mean if there is some problem with it the opposite way | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo; suddenly one realizes why androids spread out updates over months | 18:10 |
| tango_ | so some dependency is marked incorrectly? | 18:10 |
| Plnt | Elleo: like the updates are not tested the same way with developer mode enabled | 18:10 |
| pp_ | so, could someone confirm that relogging in to google makes the calendars work so I can put a useful answer on together.jolla.com?-) | 18:10 |
| tobiski | Elleo: thanks, the solution on tjc worked and phone is now loading OS update | 18:10 |
| Elleo | tobiski: great :) | 18:11 |
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| tobiski | I searched for the os update when I read the news about new version and at the same time store informed that I have updates for apps and apparently I tried to update the apps first | 18:12 |
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| Nicd- | os update downloading \o/ | 18:12 |
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| Elleo | tobiski: yeah, that's what I did too; it's a pretty nasty bug | 18:12 |
| tobiski | oh, now I'm in the situtation where it gives "problem with store" error when trying to download the os update. I guess there's nothing much to do but wait | 18:13 |
| stephg | evening everyone | 18:13 |
| tobiski | and try again after it fails :) | 18:13 |
| Elleo | tobiski: yeah, it just takes a number of attempts | 18:13 |
| Nicd- | ok, problem with store here too | 18:14 |
| spider-mario | tobiski : if you actually have updated your apps, then the store app is broken, cf. https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 18:14 |
| celeron55 | what does a down arrow inside a circle mean in the home screen? | 18:14 |
| Nicd- | should wait for a while I guess | 18:15 |
| celeron55 | or whatever the first screen is | 18:15 |
| spider-mario | oh, sorry, you’ve been here for a moment. :p | 18:15 |
| stephg | celeron55 an update is available for an app | 18:15 |
| Nicd- | celeron55: updates available for apps. swipe up | 18:15 |
| celeron55 | and the number "2" next to it | 18:15 |
| Morpog_PC | celeron55, it means update available | 18:15 |
| Nicd- | from below the screen | 18:15 |
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| celeron55 | i see | 18:15 |
| Elleo | celeron55: but don't upgrade those apps until you've done the OS upgrade | 18:15 |
| Nicd- | celeron55: but don't update the apps if you haven't updated your OS yet | 18:15 |
| tango_ | celeron55: yo, how soon can we expect a minetest for sailfish os? ;-) | 18:16 |
| celeron55 | it does say the OS is up-to-date | 18:16 |
| tango_ | celeron55: if you don't have .2.5 it'snot up to date | 18:16 |
| tango_ | it just fails to contact the server because the server is overloaded | 18:16 |
| celeron55 | why doesn't it say that? 8) | 18:16 |
| Venemo | someone restart that server already | 18:16 |
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| * sjn concurs | 18:17 | |
| sjn | just got the phone \o/ | 18:17 |
| celeron55 | is there an update announcement somewhere? | 18:18 |
| tobiski | spider-mario: thanks, already got that part figure out | 18:18 |
| sjn | btw, trying to install gPodder as described on http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS | 18:18 |
| tango_ | celeron55: on together.jolla.com and on the mailing list | 18:19 |
| sjn | no zypper(1) binary available. what's the correct way? | 18:19 |
| celeron55 | apparently here https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/002273.html | 18:19 |
| Nicd- | sjn: you need to pkcon isntall zypper | 18:19 |
| Nicd- | install* | 18:19 |
| sjn | ok, I'll try that | 18:19 |
| FireFly | celeron55: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ too | 18:20 |
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| micko_ | yay. something from bluetooth seems to fixed as well... I couldn't get my bt headphones (dealextreme quality) paired with jolla couple days ago but now it worked \o/ | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | I found I have to do 7 retries with anything bluetooth | 18:26 |
| micko_ | google play music works as well, but headphones' "next" button only fast forwards the song. doesn't skip to next | 18:26 |
| micko_ | ShadowJK: everyhing else with bt has worked for me. except syncing contacts from n900 | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | syncing with N900 was only thing that worked on first attempt for me | 18:27 |
| micko_ | hehe | 18:27 |
| sjn | So, where's the faq that mentions what to do when pkcon says "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)"? | 18:27 |
| sjn | </noob> | 18:28 |
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| Tofe | What is that "Recovery mode" you are talking about in the release notes ? Kind of similar to android's ? | 18:30 |
| Pnuu | we (well, Stskeeps really) found out that my phone is downloading the package updates in the background | 18:31 |
| shanttu_mobile | how to add a repo from openrepos? for example https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 18:31 |
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| FireFly | Tofe: kind of similar to N900's flasher, I think (and kind of similar to android too) | 18:31 |
| pp_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/ has details | 18:31 |
| Pnuu | explains why my connection is so laggy :-P | 18:31 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: how did you figure that out? | 18:32 |
| Pnuu | type pkmon in the terminal | 18:33 |
| FireFly | oh, useful command | 18:33 |
| HtheB | Guys, if I update the "store" before updating the system, does that mean I can't update the system anymore? | 18:33 |
| FireFly | "status finished" → "Problem with Store" | 18:34 |
| * FireFly is skeptical | 18:34 | |
| cdp | There's definitely something wrong with my Store app. Whenever I try to start it and fails, and this is what I see in the journal: http://pastebin.com/ykwwqPDH | 18:34 |
| parasemic | updates still not working? | 18:34 |
| cdp | And I have two update notifications that I can't run :\ | 18:34 |
| tango_ | hm one thing the phone needs is: support for zeroconf/avahi/bonjour and a way to set the phone name (for dhcp and stuff) | 18:34 |
| cdp | the system update, and 2 apps | 18:34 |
| Elleo | HtheB: I installed the upgrade after updating store-client to fix the breakage from upgrade the jolla apps | 18:34 |
| cdp | should I try to upgrade it via terminal? | 18:35 |
| Elleo | HtheB: I had to run the upgrade twice though | 18:35 |
| HtheB | I cant run it at all :/ | 18:35 |
| FireFly | cdp: did you update apps before system, and now the store closes instantly when you start it? | 18:35 |
| spider-mario | oh | 18:35 |
| spider-mario | Installed jolla-email-0.0.76-10.18.1.jolla.armv7hl Jolla Email Application | 18:35 |
| spider-mario | Available jolla-email-0.0.73-10.17.1.jolla.armv7hl Jolla Email Application | 18:35 |
| cdp | FireFly, yes | 18:35 |
| HtheB | when I pull down to select upgrade, not hing happens at all | 18:35 |
| FireFly | cdp: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 18:35 |
| cdp | I only got the app updates at first, so I went for it | 18:35 |
| Elleo | HtheB: sounds like you've upgraded some jolla apps already then | 18:35 |
| Pnuu | tango_: I think most of those has been suggested at together | 18:35 |
| spider-mario | so, when the store tells me there is an upgrade for the email app, it actually means there’s a downgrade? | 18:35 |
| Elleo | HtheB: so you have to upgrade the store-client for it to start working again | 18:35 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: I couldn't actually find it. I'll look better | 18:35 |
| Elleo | HtheB: pkcon install store-client | 18:36 |
| phaeron | spider-mario: we reverted the breaking package | 18:36 |
| Aard | spider-mario: temporary workaround for an issue we discovered during rollout, will be back to 0.0.76 once a proper fix is in place. | 18:36 |
| spider-mario | ok | 18:36 |
| spider-mario | so, I should downgrade? | 18:36 |
| Elleo | HtheB: then pkill store-client | 18:36 |
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| cdp | FireFly, thanks, trying it now. | 18:36 |
| parasemic | guys, whats the situation? i still cant upgrade | 18:36 |
| Aard | spider-mario: if you're alreaty on 1.0.2.25 you can stay with the version | 18:36 |
| spider-mario | ok | 18:36 |
| Aard | spider-mario: the breakage is only in some update-scenarios from an old version, preventing upgrade | 18:37 |
| Pnuu | tango_: yeah, the search isn't that intuitive | 18:37 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: try pkmon command in fingerterm | 18:37 |
| jupaja | ah so there more outthere how cant update there Jolla okay :D | 18:37 |
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| tango_ | Pnuu: well, zerocnf, bonjour and avahi all return nothing | 18:37 |
| tango_ | neither does dhcp | 18:38 |
| tango_ | zeroconf, I mean, of course | 18:38 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: for me, it's doing downloads in the background | 18:38 |
| parasemic | pnuu: explain a bit more? | 18:38 |
| Pnuu | tango_: https://together.jolla.com/question/323/dhcp-client-seems-to-send-localhost-as-hostname/ | 18:38 |
| jupaja | is there a workoaround to faorce the update? | 18:38 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: ok the search is really not working then | 18:39 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: do you have dev mode enabled? | 18:39 |
| Pnuu | tango_: it works, in a way.. | 18:39 |
| parasemic | Pnuu: ofc | 18:39 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: ok, is there one about zeroconf? | 18:39 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: open terminal and write pkmon + press enter | 18:40 |
| parasemic | transactions: none | 18:40 |
| parasemic | daemon connected | 18:40 |
| parasemic | network online | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: it shows what's happening with packageKit at the moment | 18:40 |
| tango_ | btw a very useful cli tool which is missing is _less_ | 18:40 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: feature-eas-xxx is missing and cant update | 18:40 |
| tango_ | I can't seem to find it at all though | 18:40 |
| Pnuu | for me, it's doing the downloads | 18:40 |
| cdp | tango_, it can be installed. you need to activate repo mer-tools | 18:40 |
| parasemic | Pnuu what does it help? | 18:41 |
| tango_ | ah | 18:41 |
| tango_ | cdp: interesting, thanks | 18:41 |
| tango_ | cdp: does it also have mc? 8-D | 18:41 |
| parasemic | goes up to 12% and then stops | 18:41 |
| HtheB | Elleo: ah, so the "system upgrade" is also from the store!? | 18:41 |
| HtheB | now i get it! :) | 18:41 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: for me, it seems to download stuff, then install stuff, then finish.. but it still thinks it's on 1.0.1.12 and looks like before upgrade, so seemingly nothing was actually updated... | 18:41 |
| HtheB | thats why nothing happens | 18:41 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: for me the help was, that it _is_ doing atleast the download | 18:42 |
| HtheB | this is pretty bad tbh for the 'n00bs' | 18:42 |
| cdp | tango_, haven't found mc :( | 18:42 |
| nander | There is a reason for the update not working? | 18:42 |
| tango_ | reading this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 18:43 |
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| tango_ | so there IS a file manager! | 18:43 |
| tango_ | btw, git seems to be installed already | 18:44 |
| tango_ | even without mer-tools | 18:44 |
| spider-mario | yes, appearently git is installed by default. :p | 18:44 |
| Pnuu | tango_: git is used for backups :-) | 18:44 |
| spider-mario | whoa, is it? | 18:44 |
| parasemic | i highly doubt the store can be overloaded anymore, so what is the problem with the update?? | 18:44 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: really? | 18:44 |
| tango_ | wait, backups of what? | 18:44 |
| Pnuu | check /home/nemo/.vault/ | 18:44 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: no such file or directory | 18:45 |
| Pnuu | tango_: well, then you don't have any backups, I guess :-) | 18:46 |
| parasemic | ok now the update wont even download up to 12%, but stops @ 0 | 18:46 |
| tango_ | well I haven't backed up anything | 18:46 |
| tango_ | so, pkcon refresh refreshed the repos | 18:46 |
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| tango_ | can I try the actual OS upgrade from the CLI too? | 18:46 |
| Quu | i get errors with pkcon refresh :p | 18:46 |
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| anacron | same here | 18:48 |
| cdp | "File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.2.5/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/?credentials=store' | 18:48 |
| Quu | yeah same | 18:48 |
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| hannes__ | when looking what it's doing when i try to upgrade with pkmon I see it's doing a refresh-cahce and finishes immediately (tough percentage is 0) | 18:48 |
| anacron | i get authentication failed | 18:48 |
| cdp | http://pastebin.com/pe2kQ8SH | 18:48 |
| phaeron | anacron: are you on a jolla device ? | 18:48 |
| anacron | yes | 18:49 |
| tango_ | [root@dhcppc6 ~]# ssu ar mer-tools | 18:49 |
| tango_ | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 18:50 |
| tango_ | come on | 18:50 |
| ShadowJK | oh hey, the tutorial app vanished after update | 18:50 |
| fk_lx | Aard: is the updating ok now? I get 'problem with store" while trying to download updates :-( | 18:50 |
| stephg | fk_lx, ditto :( | 18:50 |
| spider-mario | tutorial app gone here too, which I find a pitty since I intended to use it to show other people how the UI works | 18:50 |
| Aard | fk_lx: for that one you need some patience | 18:51 |
| Pnuu | fk_lx: same here, alhtough I think the phone already downloaded all the packages | 18:51 |
| ShadowJK | I thought removing it was dangerous, though maybe that is fixed now? | 18:51 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: that's fixed in update2 | 18:51 |
| * stephg tries to be patient like a good boy | 18:51 | |
| tango_ | what is the home repository? | 18:51 |
| Nicd- | Aard: update2, as in does the new update have an update already? | 18:52 |
| fk_lx | Aard: ah ok | 18:52 |
| hannes__ | Aard: but I get the "problem wiht store immediately" | 18:52 |
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| fk_lx | Aard: danke ;-) | 18:52 |
| stephg | hannes__, I also had that | 18:52 |
| stephg | this time it seems to be doing something | 18:52 |
| hannes__ | and pkmon says it does a refresh-cache | 18:52 |
| hannes__ | and finishes immediately | 18:53 |
| spider-mario | does the music app load cover from any format? doesn’t work here with flac. | 18:53 |
| spider-mario | would ogg/flac work better? | 18:53 |
| stephg | hannes__, again mine did that, then is now downloading things | 18:53 |
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| Yaniel | spider-mario: I have had problems with flac and m4a | 18:55 |
| cdp | my Android update is stuck in downloading, however there's no network activity | 18:55 |
| Yaniel | both embedded covers and cover.jpg | 18:55 |
| spider-mario | ok | 18:55 |
| spider-mario | do other formats work fine? | 18:56 |
| Yaniel | not tested | 18:56 |
| spider-mario | ok, thanks :) | 18:56 |
| Yaniel | my my, the update really has killed somethin | 18:56 |
| HtheB | Elleo: you there? | 18:56 |
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| parasemic | wow | 18:57 |
| parasemic | my update actually loads now | 18:58 |
| parasemic | *crossing fingers* | 18:58 |
| parasemic | 100%! | 18:58 |
| anacron | I wonder why mine doesn't work at all | 18:58 |
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| parasemic | i was stuck with instant error while downloading until now | 18:59 |
| jupaja | Anyone with Update Problem? | 18:59 |
| jupaja | Try this fingerterm or via ssh | 18:59 |
| jupaja | pkcon install store-client | 18:59 |
| jupaja | pkill store-client | 18:59 |
| jupaja | open Setting and check for updates and download them ;) | 18:59 |
| jupaja | source: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/#post-id-3855 | 18:59 |
| Yaniel | it hasn't even offered the update to me so far | 18:59 |
| anacron | install fails at authentication failed... | 18:59 |
| pettter | downloading it now | 19:00 |
| parasemic | my phone is atleast downloading the packages now | 19:00 |
| pettter | over an open network at 30c3 | 19:00 |
| pettter | ...might not be a wise idea | 19:00 |
| nander | my jolla doesn't even find the update.. | 19:00 |
| nander | Was it revoked? | 19:00 |
| parasemic | nander have you rebooted? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | we still have some problems with infra, stand by.. | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | "some" | 19:00 |
| nander | I'll reboot *again* | 19:01 |
| Quu | nander: pkcon says missing files | 19:01 |
| Quu | so, just wait | 19:01 |
| tango_ | interesting, I didn't actually run the upgrade but now ssu release claims 1.0.2.5 wtf? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: norma | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | l | 19:01 |
| tango_ | so ssu release is NOT my current release | 19:01 |
| Pnuu | best description so far "let [them] unfuck it first" | 19:01 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: and is this [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 19:01 |
| anacron | tango_: mine says the same | 19:01 |
| tango_ | normal too? | 19:01 |
| tango_ | (running ssu ur) | 19:01 |
| parasemic | seems like a best option to just wait and not try any duct tape shit in terminal :p | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: normal | 19:02 |
| tango_ | ok | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | no duct tape please | 19:02 |
| * tango_ isn't duct taping | 19:02 | |
| tango_ | I just wanted to install less 8-D | 19:02 |
| nander | still 'Checking for update' | 19:02 |
| nander | Could it be that a wifi network with a custom config isn't seen as a wifi network? | 19:03 |
| parasemic | duct tape works in 99% of scenarios but this might be the exeption | 19:03 |
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| tango_ | nander: I suspect it's just the usual server overload | 19:03 |
| Yaniel | tango_: alias it to more for now? :P | 19:03 |
| tango_ | Yaniel: as if 8-P | 19:03 |
| Quu | libhybris missing :p | 19:04 |
| hannes__ | ok | 19:04 |
| tango_ | pkcon install less seems to be proceeding | 19:04 |
| cdp | finally, system udpate took off... I am watching it via pkmon | 19:04 |
| hannes__ | seems pkcon update wasa (quite) successfull | 19:04 |
| cdp | ah... damn it... it failed in the middle. I hope this won't be it completely. :( | 19:05 |
| hannes__ | for some reason my Jolla doesn't like booting when attached to a charger | 19:06 |
| jussi | Hows the eta On Sail fish for android coming along? | 19:06 |
| nander | lots of phones don't | 19:06 |
| * jussi waves to Stskeeps | 19:06 | |
| Yaniel | woou, update available | 19:07 |
| tango_ | on sail fish? | 19:07 |
| Yaniel | sail-on-fish | 19:07 |
| parasemic | yay, install finished | 19:07 |
| Quu | jussi pls engrish | 19:07 |
| parasemic | fish on sail? | 19:07 |
| Yaniel | fish on -sail | 19:08 |
| Yaniel | yeah that sounds good | 19:08 |
| tango_ | sailfish for android? | 19:08 |
| tango_ | please no | 19:08 |
| jussi | eta=estimated time of arrival | 19:08 |
| stephg | eep my GSM seems to have gone | 19:09 |
| tobiski | I got the OS update installed but now my Camera app wont start anymore o_O | 19:09 |
| * tango_ runs upgrades without creating backups, is that stupid? | 19:09 | |
| tango_ | jussi: what is On Sail fish for android? | 19:09 |
| tobiski | and Jolla Store doesn't give any updates for camera app | 19:09 |
| jussi | http://m.gsmarena.com/sailfish_os_will_be_available_for_android_users_to_install-news-7295.php | 19:10 |
| stephg | oh no it's back | 19:10 |
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| tango_ | jussi: as long as it replaces the android, that's fine | 19:11 |
| tango_ | but having it run _inside_ android would suck big times | 19:12 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: you there? | 19:12 |
| * tango_ probably shouldn't download the sailfish os upgrades while downloading all the humble bundle stuff | 19:13 | |
| jussi | tango_: Yep | 19:13 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: might be a bit busy :-) | 19:13 |
| HtheB | I guess so :P | 19:13 |
| tango_ | jussi: that I would actually like. wonder how it would run on a TF700T | 19:13 |
| jussi | tango_: could be Interesting... | 19:14 |
| Plnt | wow.. download finished, now installing :) | 19:14 |
| Plnt | fingers crossed | 19:14 |
| Plnt | ;] | 19:14 |
| Quu | yaaay installing | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | download almost finished ^^ | 19:14 |
| Quu | 20% installing already | 19:14 |
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| Tofe | for me it fails near the beginning of the download, it's a bit weird | 19:15 |
| Plnt | Tofe: yes i had that, too | 19:15 |
| Quu | Tofe: use CLI :p | 19:16 |
| Tofe | and of course, just as I say that, the download succeeds | 19:16 |
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| Pnuu | haaay, I guess I got it downloading, too | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | hmm is there anything interesting in the humble bundle? | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | pkmon refreshes percentage downloaded | 19:17 |
| Yaniel | pkmon? | 19:17 |
| stephg | pkmon! | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | and now downloading kernel-adaptation-sbj | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: pokemon, gotta catch 'em all | 19:17 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: shows what the package manager is doing | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | nice | 19:18 |
| tango_ | actually, I'm thinking that the sailfish ui on a 10" tablet might NOT be that nice | 19:18 |
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| cdp | perfect... everything went fine, eventually. running pkcon get-updates shows there's nothing left to update. | 19:19 |
| Tofe | tango_: I think the same; as is, the pulley menu would be a bit weird | 19:19 |
| Tofe | but then again, maybe I'm wrong | 19:19 |
| tango_ | esp in landscape mode | 19:19 |
| tango_ | would be interesting to try though | 19:19 |
| jupaja | so works for me 1.0.2.5 | 19:19 |
| Pnuu | "System update downloaded" \o/ | 19:20 |
| Plnt | wohoo.. updated & reboot successfull! | 19:20 |
| Plnt | Stskeeps: thanks for the help! :) | 19:20 |
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| Plnt | what's strange is that the apps are not marked as not up to date, now | 19:21 |
| Plnt | they all seems to be up to date even though i didn't updated them | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | I'd guess it updated them along with the system | 19:21 |
| tango_ | would be interesting to try though | 19:21 |
| Plnt | probably | 19:21 |
| tango_ | ehm | 19:21 |
| Elleo | HtheB: I am now | 19:22 |
| Pnuu | installation beer! | 19:22 |
| tango_ | I suspect the OS upgrade does a pkcon update, and thus upgrades ALL packages | 19:22 |
| stephg | tango_, looks like it does | 19:22 |
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| tobiski | Does anyone else's camera app crash when starting it, after the os update? | 19:23 |
| HtheB | do you know how big the system update is/ | 19:23 |
| HtheB | ? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | tobiski: i'm very interested in your /var/log/zypp logs | 19:23 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: ok, hold on a sec | 19:23 |
| Tofe | tobiski: mine works well | 19:24 |
| Yaniel | hmmm the update shuffled my app icons in the main menu | 19:25 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Yaniel: tutorial app is probably missing? | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | ah right | 19:25 |
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| Yaniel | now it has steam at that location :D | 19:26 |
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| Venemo | mail app doesn't want to update for me | 19:26 |
| nander | Mine already shuffled once for no reason | 19:26 |
| Venemo | it says "waiting" for a long time | 19:26 |
| nander | funny thing is: the first 8 icons are still the same | 19:26 |
| nander | after that, android apps, after that jolla preinstalled | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'd recommend doing the update first | 19:27 |
| Venemo | and then it says "problem with installing jolla-mail" | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | ie, of system | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | yay, 1.0.2.5 | 19:27 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: thanks for the help :-) | 19:27 |
| nander | I still can't find 1.0.2.5 | 19:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I already updated the system in the early afternoon | 19:27 |
| Quu | Venemo: i had to "pkcon install jolla-email" | 19:27 |
| Yaniel | still can't add more calendars :( | 19:27 |
| nander | Does whatsapp work better in 1.0.2.5? | 19:28 |
| nander | eg. contacts integration | 19:28 |
| Quu | nander: install the "mitakuuluu" app | 19:28 |
| Venemo | Quu: that seemed to workforme too | 19:29 |
| nander | nice name... Almost understandable to non-finnish ;) | 19:29 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/DD8CW8dM there's everything after the first attempt of system update | 19:29 |
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| Plnt | now jolla store says there is 1.0.2.5 update available for download even though i just finished installing it and it's in about product. wtf | 19:30 |
| Plnt | is this okay and shall i proceed with it? | 19:30 |
| Venemo | Quu: however store still thinks that there's an update for the email app | 19:30 |
| Pnuu | Plnt: I didn't get that | 19:31 |
| phaeron | Venemo: it's a downgrade | 19:31 |
| Yaniel | store does not think anything here | 19:31 |
| Venemo | phaeron: what? | 19:31 |
| Venemo | is there a solution for the disappeared tutorial app btw? | 19:31 |
| nander | I can't find a mitakuuluu app in the store | 19:31 |
| Plnt | ok, i'll try to download it | 19:31 |
| phaeron | jolla-email update was pulled as it breaks systems on older version. | 19:31 |
| Pnuu | now I think it's time to go hunt all fixed stuff from together | 19:32 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | nander: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 19:32 |
| Plnt | installing | 19:32 |
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| Venemo | phaeron: so I can't get the newer version even if I'm on the newer OS? | 19:32 |
| Venemo | phaeron: that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire life | 19:32 |
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| cvp | hello | 19:33 |
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| Yaniel | heh, nice icon in mitakuuluu | 19:33 |
| phaeron | Venemo: we'll put the new version back once it is fixed | 19:33 |
| Plnt | ok, installation done and it says up to date, now | 19:33 |
| Plnt | the second 1.0.2.5 update was quite quick | 19:33 |
| nander | how do I install a .rpm file? | 19:34 |
| cvp | is there now a solution to mark all emails as read? | 19:34 |
| cvp | @nander with File Browser | 19:34 |
| Pnuu | nander: pkcon instal-local package.rpm | 19:34 |
| cvp | from store | 19:34 |
| cvp | @nander http://sailfishmods.de/dlinfo.html | 19:35 |
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| Venemo | phaeron: why do you even allow users of the old OS version to download apps that are intended for the new OS version? | 19:38 |
| nander | it just keeps loading and loading | 19:38 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: apps are independent of the OS "core" | 19:39 |
| Venemo | phaeron: I see that, just don't understand why | 19:39 |
| tango_ | there is a file browser? | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: so in your opinion all the software should be updated/repackaged for new OS version? | 19:40 |
| tango_ | is it in the new os? | 19:40 |
| Pnuu | tango_: jolla-filemon | 19:40 |
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| Pnuu | was already in .10 and .12 | 19:40 |
| tango_ | really? but with no icon, I assume? | 19:41 |
| tango_ | I must have missed something | 19:41 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | there is file browser in the store | 19:41 |
| HtheB | yaay finally updated ! | 19:41 |
| msknight | How do I find out what version of jolla-email I have installed please? | 19:41 |
| tango_ | HarhaanJohtaja: I coudn't find an official jolla one though | 19:41 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | not by jolla | 19:42 |
| tobiski | Stskeeps: nothing that a boot wont fix :D rebooted my phone and camera now works | 19:42 |
| tango_ | but I assume this jolla-filemon IS an official one by jolla? | 19:42 |
| nander | there is a filebrowser in the repos | 19:42 |
| nander | Which is a better one ;) | 19:42 |
| Yaniel | *jolla-fileman | 19:42 |
| tango_ | fileman | 19:43 |
| Waitee_ | okay | 19:43 |
| tango_ | I'm pretty sure it didn't show in the store | 19:43 |
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| Waitee | i couldnt install any updates so i did a factory reset | 19:43 |
| Yaniel | yeah it is not in store (yet) | 19:43 |
| Yaniel | I just had to wait for a while for the update to show up at all | 19:44 |
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| tango_ | I'm pretty sure it didn't show in the store | 19:45 |
| nander | Waiting in queue when I do pkcon install-local harbour-mitakuuluu*..*rpm | 19:45 |
| tango_ | damnit wrong window again | 19:46 |
| Waitee | now it's looking for an update | 19:46 |
| Waitee | been for 20 minutes | 19:46 |
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| msknight | Don't worry, I've got it. 73-10.17.1 | 19:46 |
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| niqt | hi | 19:46 |
| Pnuu | nander: maybe you have the same situation I did, there's the package updates running in the background | 19:46 |
| niqt | my device after last upadte is frozen | 19:47 |
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| Pnuu | nander: check pkmon command in terminal | 19:47 |
| niqt | how i can reflash it? | 19:47 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 19:47 |
| tumpelo | running system update | 19:47 |
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| Venemo | Pnuu: in my opinion, you shouldn't be able to install apps designed for a newer OS version on an older OS version | 19:47 |
| Waitee | and jolla store cant find any apps to download | 19:47 |
| tobiski | apparently the os update enabled or at least started the tohd.service after boot | 19:48 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: well, the infrastructure didn't change, so why not allow it? | 19:48 |
| tumpelo | rebooting | 19:48 |
| Pnuu | updating together | 19:49 |
| nander | daemon connected=1 | 19:49 |
| nander | daemon locked=1 | 19:49 |
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| nander | network status=online | 19:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Venemo: email update killing store was clearly a fuckup that wasnt supposed to happen | 19:49 |
| msknight | niqt, Frozen where? Won't boot at all? | 19:49 |
| niqt | i see only jolla banner | 19:50 |
| msknight | niqt, Ah. Sorry. I'm not going to be much help. | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | niqt: on a black background? | 19:51 |
| Pnuu | the white one? | 19:51 |
| niqt | yes | 19:51 |
| niqt | the boot banner | 19:51 |
| Pnuu | niqt: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/#details | 19:51 |
| Pnuu | niqt: check if those help | 19:51 |
| Pnuu | (assuming the upgrade went through :-P) | 19:52 |
| tumpelo | and it seems to work | 19:53 |
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| Venemo | Pnuu: because obviously if the app uses an API not present on the old OS, it will not work | 19:54 |
| w00t | Venemo: the breakage was accidental | 19:54 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: that shouldn't be a reason to block those apps that _do_ work, though :-P | 19:54 |
| tumpelo | Setting -> About product report "Maadajävri" | 19:54 |
| tumpelo | Installing the file manager from the Jolla Store works | 19:55 |
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| nander | are the fact that when trying to install I get 'waiting' and not getting the update correlated? | 19:58 |
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| Pnuu | nander: have you done this? https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 19:59 |
| nander | locks at the first step (pkcon install store-client) | 20:01 |
| niqt | pnuu i see: Error: invalid boot imsge header; ERROR: could not do normal boot. Reverting to fastboot mode, but nothing happens | 20:01 |
| nander | nothing happens | 20:01 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: maybe you can help niqt | 20:01 |
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| restless_being | hah, thanks Quu and al. for mentioning mitakuuluu | 20:01 |
| tango_ | anyway, in all this mess, let me say again that the battery is GREAT | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | oh right, tohd.service | 20:02 |
| nander | still nothing | 20:02 |
| Pnuu | niqt: I think the safest bet is to try contacting Stskeeps when he's active | 20:02 |
| niqt | ok | 20:02 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: the sysctl mask tohd.service rocks | 20:03 |
| nander | pkcon install store-client doesn't work | 20:03 |
| tobiski | When disabling the tohd.service, what's the difference between mask and disable commands? | 20:03 |
| Pnuu | nander: does pkmon list anything active? | 20:03 |
| Quu | restless_being: np. | 20:03 |
| Pnuu | tobiski: mask prevents other sysctl stuff startin said process | 20:03 |
| restless_being | nander: did you devel-su? | 20:04 |
| Pnuu | restless_being: not needed for pkcon | 20:04 |
| nander | restless_being -- yes | 20:04 |
| nander | Pnuu, it lists loads | 20:04 |
| restless_being | Pnuu: ah.. didn't know that | 20:04 |
| Pnuu | nander: something where the last number is getting larger? | 20:04 |
| tobiski | Pnuu: ok, thanks | 20:05 |
| nander | 1 -> /243_caddccca | 20:05 |
| nander | 2 -> /244_abdeaddb | 20:05 |
| nander | 3 -> /245_eedeedea | 20:05 |
| nander | eedeedeaa* | 20:05 |
| nander | 4 -> /246 _ddcddbed | 20:06 |
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| Pnuu | nander: is the last one something like this: /770_cdbdcaeeitem-progress droid-system-sbj;0.2.9-10.12.1.jolla;armv7hl;adaptation1,81 [unknown] | 20:06 |
| nander | nope | 20:06 |
| Pnuu | hmm, ok | 20:06 |
| nander | 246 is the highest | 20:06 |
| nander | 243 is in the state setup | 20:07 |
| nander | 244 is in the state wait and so are 245 and 246 | 20:07 |
| Nicd- | yay, update went fine | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | and calendar works, didn't even need to re-login | 20:08 |
| Pnuu | nander: I think it's updating packages then, so just wait until you get "Transactions [none]" :-) | 20:08 |
| Waitee | i did a factory reset and now it keeps searching for the update | 20:08 |
| ln- | successfully updated to maadajävri, only minor problem found so far is the phone forgetting my favorite ambiences. | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | mine didn't | 20:09 |
| Nicd- | but tutorial app is gone | 20:09 |
| nander | Is it possible to backup the device? | 20:10 |
| nander | So I can restore? | 20:10 |
| Quu | hmm btw, someone was talking about default ambiences | 20:10 |
| Quu | never seen any lol | 20:10 |
| ln- | now that you mention it, my tutorial app is gone also. | 20:10 |
| nander | I don't think what's happening right now is good | 20:10 |
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| Nicd- | nander: yes, there's a backup section in the settings app | 20:11 |
| Waitee | still checking for updates | 20:12 |
| nander | backups are kept at a factory reset? | 20:12 |
| spider-mario | wtf, there’s swi-prolog on the phone | 20:12 |
| spider-mario | :D | 20:12 |
| spider-mario | now that I think about it, I seem to recall that there’s a piece of software in MeeGo that’s written in Prolog | 20:12 |
| spider-mario | but I don’t remember what | 20:13 |
| Nicd- | nander: I think not | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | spider-mario: policy framework | 20:13 |
| spider-mario | oh, ok | 20:13 |
| spider-mario | nice. :p | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | nander: they're not, all data is removed | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | nander: what problem do you have? | 20:13 |
| Waitee | yay | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | Quu in gallery? | 20:13 |
| Waitee | found the update | 20:13 |
| Quu | Yaniel: yes. | 20:13 |
| spider-mario | but appearently, I was thinking of maemo-multimedia | 20:13 |
| Quu | Yaniel: i didnt even know there was default ones before someone talked about them today | 20:14 |
| Waitee | preparing to download | 20:14 |
| Yaniel | haha | 20:14 |
| Waitee | hmm | 20:14 |
| Waitee | still preparing to download | 20:14 |
| nander | It seems my device is stuck in a wait/setup loop | 20:15 |
| nander | It doesn't continue | 20:15 |
| Quu | so, any way to install those default ambiences? | 20:15 |
| Quu | pkcon install insertsomethinghere | 20:15 |
| Venemo | tango_: agreed, battery life is great | 20:15 |
| Waitee | this loads for a long time | 20:16 |
| nander | /243_caddccca role resolve | 20:16 |
| nander | /243_caddccca percentage -1 | 20:16 |
| nander | /243_caddccca status setup | 20:16 |
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| nander | that has been the case for god knows how long | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | aw, niqt left befor sts returned | 20:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: debugging with him atm | 20:19 |
| nander | where is the backup file stored? | 20:19 |
| phaeron | nander: do you have zypper ? | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | nander: /home/nemo/.vault | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | oh, cool | 20:20 |
| nander | phaeron, no | 20:20 |
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| nander | reset is awfully quick ;) | 20:24 |
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| Nicd- | nander: that's btrfs | 20:25 |
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| nebuk | Jolla running 1.0.1.12 suddently started boot looping during normal operation | 20:36 |
| nebuk | dev mode is enabled, but hasn't been used | 20:37 |
| nebuk | Any idea what could be the cause? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | not offhand, have you by chance removed the battery at any point / in a bad manner or removed the tutorial app? | 20:37 |
| Quu | any way to install jolla-preload-ambiences? | 20:37 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: is it jolla-startupwizard-tutorial? | 20:38 |
| nebuk | Stskeeps: Battery was removed only after boot loop occurred, and tutorial has not been uninstalled. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | nebuk: okay | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | nebuk: would you like to factory reset your device? | 20:40 |
| nebuk | sure if it can bring it back to life | 20:40 |
| Quu | uh? bootloops might be because i removed tutorial app? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | and do you have a linux machine, if so, what distribution? | 20:40 |
| Quu | thats bit shitty. | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: i usually call this kind of stuff distribution jenga | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:40 |
| nander | It seems I can't enable developer mode | 20:40 |
| nander | Because jolla servers are ddossed | 20:41 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: so, anyway to reinstall the tutorial? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: yeah i think that's startupwizard | 20:41 |
| nebuk | stskeeps: not at the moment, but I can surely set one up. | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | nebuk: mac? | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | or windows.. | 20:41 |
| nander | the servers are still overloaded? | 20:41 |
| Quu | Stskeeps: hmm, how do i installs it? gives me some error | 20:41 |
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| Pnuu | Quu: pkcon install jolla-startupwizard-tutorial should do it | 20:44 |
| Quu | derp. | 20:45 |
| Pnuu | Quu: what's the error message? | 20:45 |
| Quu | i tried with all the 0.0.74's | 20:45 |
| nebuk | stskeeps: i don't have a computer available at the moment, so I'll need to get back with this issue later. | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | nebuk: ah, okay | 20:46 |
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| Quu | goddamn that boot took long | 20:49 |
| Quu | but no brick yay | 20:49 |
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| Quu | yay, preload ambiences | 20:49 |
| nander | Does developer mode require the jolla servers? | 20:49 |
| Kilian__ | Hi | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | hi Kilian__ | 20:49 |
| Nicd- | nander: yes | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | Kilian__: you had a device that is in reboot loop after the upgrade? | 20:49 |
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| nander | so I'm stuck on 1.0.0.5 for a while? | 20:49 |
| Kilian__ | Yes stskeeps | 20:49 |
| edgars | :) | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | Kilian__: okay, do you have a linux PC or a mac? | 20:50 |
| Kilian__ | sorry there was a lot of time that use IRC for last time | 20:50 |
| Kilian__ | i have linux box (debian jessie) and Windows 7 64 bits | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | Kilian__: ok, i'll send you a private message | 20:51 |
| phaeron | nander: you reset and still can't update ? | 20:52 |
| nander | affirmative | 20:52 |
| phaeron | nander: did you recreate your jolla account ? | 20:53 |
| pdanek1 | Store still overloaded? Same issue. | 20:53 |
| nander | Stuck on a checking... loop | 20:53 |
| nander | Ah, forgot to login.... | 20:53 |
| phaeron | pdanek1: store should be responding now. | 20:53 |
| pdanek1 | phaeron: so maybe rebooting device? | 20:53 |
| pdanek1 | phaeron: to clean cache or something? | 20:54 |
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| nebuk | I haven't been able to connect via ssh to Jolla after 1.0.2.5 update.. known issue or something wrong with my internet settings? | 20:55 |
| phaeron | pdanek1: worth a shot. ( otherwise zypper clean -a ) | 20:55 |
| nebuk | this one is a different Jolla, not the bricked one | 20:55 |
| Pnuu | pdanek1: I might have already pasted this, but: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 20:55 |
| Pnuu | nebuk: I can connect | 20:55 |
| pdanek1 | thank | 20:55 |
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| nebuk | pnuu: thanks, I'll need to check my router settings or something then | 20:56 |
| nander | It claims 1.0.0.5 is up to date | 20:56 |
| nander | WTH? | 20:56 |
| Quu | hue | 20:57 |
| nander | problem installing jolla-developer-mode | 20:57 |
| Milo- | ooh, an update :o | 20:57 |
| nander | Seems somethings is going very wrong | 20:57 |
| nander | 1.0.0.5 is UP TO DATE according to my jolla | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | are you connected to a wifi network? | 20:58 |
| Quu | nander: atleast its not 0.0.98 like that one dude had ;p | 20:58 |
| Milo- | oh dear.. probably shouldn't have backed up gallery and playlist. | 20:58 |
| nander | Stskeeps, I am | 20:59 |
| nander | It doesn't fail to update, it merely claims there are no updates | 20:59 |
| nander | everything says problem with store | 21:00 |
| nander | Installing an app doesn't work either | 21:00 |
| Quu | so, you dont have dev-mode to update the phone with? :p | 21:01 |
| nander | affirmative | 21:01 |
| Milo- | google calendar sync. awesome. Even though I would appreciate two-way sync. | 21:01 |
| nander | It seems the update path from 1.0.0.5 was removed | 21:01 |
| phaeron | nander: not really | 21:01 |
| nander | Or maybe the store was updated after 1.0.1.11 and thus the connection with the store was closed | 21:01 |
| Eztran | nander: very much doubt that, or phones wouldn't work after reset. | 21:02 |
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| FireFly | Quu: 0.0.98? isn't that earlier than factory initial-release version? :p | 21:04 |
| FireFly | Speaking of updates, how is the google calendar sync supposed to work? | 21:05 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | FireFly: someone had a device sent by jolla employee | 21:05 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | it wasnt sold | 21:05 |
| FireFly | Ah | 21:05 |
| nander | I'm resetting again | 21:05 |
| Quu | yea | 21:05 |
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| Trizt | damn, update broke internet | 21:06 |
| Trizt | don't see my wlan anymore | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: got developer mode? | 21:07 |
| Trizt | yes | 21:07 |
| Trizt | but not enabled the developer repo | 21:07 |
| phaeron | nander: maybe there was a packagekit process running in the backlground | 21:07 |
| nebuk | hmm... i was able to connect via ssh after disabling dev mode and re-enabling it | 21:07 |
| nebuk | no networks changed or anything | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: thats ok, you shouldn't | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: can you extract /var/log/zypp/ and post them somewhere? | 21:08 |
| Trizt | if I had ssh I wouldn't cared for devel mode | 21:08 |
| AntiHawk | hey whats up: jolla store won't start any more after failed application updates about 5 hours ago? | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | AntiHawk: do you have developer mode? | 21:11 |
| Pnuu | AntiHawk: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 21:11 |
| AntiHawk | ok and devel mode is active | 21:11 |
| nander | update finally found | 21:12 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: you mean the history file? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: yeah | 21:13 |
| AntiHawk | servers currently overloaded? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | AntiHawk: there's a bug that if you updated email, it broke store | 21:13 |
| phaeron | AntiHawk: what version were you on when you installed app updates ? | 21:14 |
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| Sarvi | heh, email is the only thing i can't update | 21:14 |
| b0bben | Pnuu: thx for the url tip, i was in a bad state, good thing i had developer mode on ;) | 21:15 |
| b0bben | was a little scared there for a moment :P | 21:15 |
| Milo- | email account is unwilling to forget, that smtp-server has no password. | 21:15 |
| AntiHawk | shit; that must be it, any fixes yet? version was .12 | 21:15 |
| Pnuu | b0bben: no prob :-) | 21:15 |
| Pnuu | been pasting that link all over :-D | 21:15 |
| b0bben | it started happening just a couple of hours ago i guess? had some guests for a couple of hrs, didn't try to hammer the update servers | 21:16 |
| b0bben | and boom, shit was broke :D | 21:16 |
| b0bben | now it downloaded the update in mere seconds! yay! | 21:16 |
| b0bben | :D | 21:16 |
| suy | After the update, only one custom ambience has survived. The bookmarked ones are no more. Not a big deal at all, but should I report it somehow? | 21:20 |
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| suy | Mmm, and only the first two ambience can have customized tones? Is this normal? | 21:23 |
| Quu | default ones cant be customized | 21:24 |
| Quu | eg. the first one | 21:24 |
| nander | updater has started | 21:24 |
| nander | halfway downloading | 21:24 |
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| suy | Quu: oh, true. The first two on my jolla can be customized but don't come by default. Are images outside ambience. | 21:25 |
| suy | Then I don't get how the feature is supposed to work, though. | 21:25 |
| Quu | well, you can edit custom made thingies | 21:25 |
| Quu | but the defaults cant be edited | 21:25 |
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| suy | Quu: and do you know what's the use case for that? | 21:27 |
| Quu | if i understand your wording correctly, no :p | 21:27 |
| Quu | iekku said something about that but cant remember what it was | 21:28 |
| suy | Quu: ok, thank you. :) | 21:28 |
| Quu | but atleast for now, you cant edit them | 21:28 |
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| Venemo | does the white cover have any ambience actually? | 21:32 |
| b0bben | yes | 21:32 |
| Venemo | really? which one is it? | 21:32 |
| b0bben | but you need to remove it and put it back with the phone on for it to trigger the change | 21:32 |
| b0bben | it's called "Snow White" | 21:33 |
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| b0bben | did they just sent out another update? | 21:33 |
| Quu | mine never even triggered it | 21:33 |
| Morpog_PC | mine did | 21:33 |
| b0bben | i'm getting update notification even tho i'm on 1.0.2.5 | 21:33 |
| Venemo | b0bben: did they? | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | b0bben: might want to check you're actually upped | 21:34 |
| b0bben | Quu: i only found out there was ambiance with the white cover once my kid removed it, got yelled at, and i put it back | 21:34 |
| b0bben | since i put in my sim with the phone off, then started it for the first time | 21:34 |
| b0bben | i guess it doesn't trigger unless phone is on and you put on the cover | 21:35 |
| b0bben | Stskeeps: how can I double-check? | 21:35 |
| b0bben | it did a bunch of stuff :) | 21:35 |
| Quu | b0bben: if dev-mode on, pkcon refresh -> pkcon update | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC | look in settings | 21:35 |
| Quu | if doesnt update anything, its updated to latest :p | 21:36 |
| b0bben | uname -a gives me kernel 3.4.0.20131212_3 | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | b0bben: about | 21:36 |
| Venemo | ah, got it | 21:37 |
| Quu | ha | 21:37 |
| b0bben | Stskeeps: yeah, it says i'm on 1.0.2.5 | 21:37 |
| b0bben | and that i have an update | 21:37 |
| Quu | 12.12.? compiled on 17.12? :D | 21:37 |
| Venemo | will the snow white ambience remain on the device even if I remove the white TOH later? | 21:37 |
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| Quu | Venemo: yes | 21:37 |
| b0bben | that's where i checked first | 21:37 |
| Venemo | it's not even white | 21:37 |
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| Venemo | eh | 21:37 |
| b0bben | pkcon says no packages to update | 21:37 |
| suy | b0bben's son is smarter than me. It has taken me 5 minutes to remove TOH, and put it back to get the installation message. :-P | 21:39 |
| Quu | b0bben: ok, then it _should_ be updated | 21:40 |
| pdanek1 | I found N900 MicroUSB cable better than Jolla's, seems better quality and a bit longer -> better with Jolla AC charger. | 21:40 |
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| b0bben | suy: :D | 21:40 |
| Trizt | think mine bricked now | 21:41 |
| pdanek1 | One Year limited warranty? :O Isn't it a law in EU to have 2 years for all electronics? | 21:41 |
| Trizt | pdanek1: 3y | 21:41 |
| tango_ | 2y | 21:41 |
| tango_ | mandated | 21:41 |
| Quu | depends. | 21:41 |
| tango_ | the EU directive is 2y | 21:41 |
| pdanek1 | But in my Jolla box, it says 1 year limited warranty. | 21:41 |
| tango_ | pdanek1: yeah but they cannot enforce that | 21:41 |
| Morpog_PC | thats something different | 21:41 |
| tango_ | i.e. you can sue | 21:42 |
| shanttu_mobile | n900 cable is the beast. my n9 doesn't recognize any other after. | 21:42 |
| b0bben | Stskeeps: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcoricft9tlotbj/update_jolla.png | 21:42 |
| b0bben | "Uppdatering tillgänglig" -> Update available | 21:42 |
| b0bben | installing it again, let's see what happens | 21:43 |
| Quu | b0bben: have you rebooted? :) | 21:43 |
| b0bben | it did it by itself after the progress bar | 21:43 |
| Morpog_PC | in germany we call the law waranty "gewährleistung" which is always 2years, and manufacturer waranty is called "garantie" which can be as long as the manufacturer wants | 21:43 |
| b0bben | ok, this one went really quickly | 21:43 |
| nander | that 1 year is the minimum jolla offers | 21:43 |
| b0bben | not the download, but the actual upgrade | 21:43 |
| Quu | b0bben: could be just one some package | 21:43 |
| nander | if you are living in some lawless country and bought it there you still get one year | 21:43 |
| nander | You have 2 years of warranty, but that's not something between you and the manufacturer, that's something between you and the store you bought it from | 21:44 |
| nander | In the case of the current jollas these are mostly the same | 21:44 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: do you happen to know what the devtool changes are supposed to do? release notes says "Fingerterm default settings are more user friendly" | 21:44 |
| suy | Is explained in the note, or in some screen of the phone. The 1 year warranty is in *addition* to what regulation say. As strange as it might seem. | 21:45 |
| nander | separate from | 21:46 |
| nander | the 2 year warranty is between you and the seller | 21:47 |
| CoderCandy | Attempt number n to get my jolla to update | 21:47 |
| nander | The 1 year is between you and the manufacturer | 21:47 |
| nander | In this case these are the same | 21:47 |
| nander | But let's say you bought your device from a DNA store | 21:47 |
| nander | Then the 2 year warranty would be between you and DNA | 21:47 |
| CoderCandy | Okay, my store won't start at all | 21:47 |
| nander | But you would also have a 1 year warranty deal with jolla | 21:47 |
| CoderCandy | Ideas? | 21:47 |
| suy | nander: good explanation. :) | 21:47 |
| b0bben | CoderCandy: https://together.jolla.com/question/3816/jolla-store-and-system-update-crashes-when-servers-are-overloaded/ | 21:48 |
| nander | For people who preordered the 1 year is just additional cases in which your warranty is valid, it does not limit european law | 21:48 |
| nander | Hell, it couldn't even if they wanted | 21:48 |
| CoderCandy | b0bben, are they STILL overloaded? | 21:48 |
| CoderCandy | oh wait | 21:49 |
| CoderCandy | scrolled down | 21:49 |
| CoderCandy | trying the solution now | 21:49 |
| b0bben | CoderCandy: i was in a broken state, after the fix it downloaded in seconds (on my fast-ass fiber line) | 21:49 |
| msknight | Enforcement can be a pain. I had a Toshiba laptop, 2 years old. Bought from eBuyer. It went faulty and I had a Toshiba report to say it was a fault, not user damage. I ended up nearly having to drag ebuyer to court. | 21:49 |
| msknight | In the end, the credit card company settled with me, and they chased ebuyer. | 21:50 |
| msknight | I can't imagine how messy this would be across country borders, even in europe. | 21:50 |
| msknight | Sometimes, you just have to cut your losses. | 21:50 |
| nander | lol, section h is rather vague in the list of non-covered things | 21:51 |
| CoderCandy | Yaay, update is working! | 21:51 |
| nander | h) Other acts beyond the reasonable control of Jolla | 21:51 |
| msknight | Now ... how this works when a device borks after manufacturer instructions screw the machine up ... I'm not sure how that would stand up. | 21:51 |
| msknight | "We told you to do x, y, and z. You did z, y, and x. You're not covered by us." | 21:51 |
| msknight | I can see the arguments raging, and only the lawyers getting richer. | 21:52 |
| CoderCandy | Woo, downloaded in seconds! | 21:52 |
| nander | This Limited Warranty does not apply if the Product has been exposed to moisture ... to oxidation ... influence from chemical products. | 21:52 |
| nander | oxidation is a fact of life.. | 21:52 |
| nander | That happens all the time, because of the air the jolla is living in | 21:52 |
| nander | Or am I supposed to keep it within a vacuum bubble? | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | nander, of course! | 21:53 |
| nander | I can't reasonably be expected to keep the device within better conditions than it was in while shipped | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | We all live in a frictionless vacuum | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | and we're all perfect spheres as well! | 21:53 |
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| CoderCandy | Anyway, thanks for the store-fix b0bben! | 21:53 |
| CoderCandy | Any idea HOW it got broken? | 21:54 |
| msknight | After christmas dinner, I'm workikng towards being an imperfect sphere. | 21:54 |
| tango_ | CoderCandy: you installed some upgrades before upgrading the OS | 21:54 |
| CoderCandy | oh... | 21:54 |
| tango_ | one of the app upgrades busted the shoppe | 21:54 |
| nander | Lol, this section is rather funny | 21:55 |
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| CoderCandy | b0bben, that name sounds swedish? | 21:55 |
| nander | To the extent permitted by applicable law, Jolla's liability shall be limited to the purchase value of the Product. The above limitations shall not apply to death or personal injury resulting from Jolla's proven negligence. | 21:55 |
| nander | If I hurt myself because the corners of the device ar sharp, can I claim negligence? | 21:56 |
| b0bben | CoderCandy: i don't know about the swedishness of it, but i am swedish :) | 21:56 |
| CoderCandy | Sweet, same here! | 21:56 |
| CoderCandy | (Actually, I checked your timezone first :P) | 21:56 |
| b0bben | psm | 21:56 |
| b0bben | åsm | 21:56 |
| msknight | Ordinary Swedish Meal Time? | 21:56 |
| nander | If I ride a rollercoaster with a restraint on my lap, I might hurt myself if I keep my phone in my pocket ;) | 21:56 |
| zorael | What is lipstick? | 21:56 |
| b0bben | CoderCandy: care to take my app Bensinjakt for a test spin then? ;) | 21:56 |
| b0bben | it works in other countries too btw | 21:56 |
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| CoderCandy | Uhm, if it's what I think it is... I probably won't have that much use for it xD | 21:57 |
| CoderCandy | I don't have a car you see :P | 21:57 |
| b0bben | haha, kewl | 21:57 |
| msknight | What is Bensinjakt ? | 21:58 |
| nander | Jolla is able to do so, its liablility under those provisions will be limited, as its option to, in case of goods: | 21:58 |
| nander | the replacement of the goods or the supply of equivalent goods | 21:58 |
| nander | the repair of the goods | 21:58 |
| nander | the payment of the cost of replacing the goods or acquiring equivalent goods, or the payment of the cost of having the goods repaired | 21:58 |
| nander | in case of services: the supplying of the services again or the payment of the cost of having the services supplied again | 21:58 |
| nander | I find option 3 (second part) vague | 21:58 |
| CoderCandy | msknight, it roughly translates to Gas-hunt | 21:58 |
| CoderCandy | And it's probably a way to keep track of gas-prices | 21:58 |
| msknight | Ah. | 21:59 |
| nander | If my phone mic is broken, does that mean I get a few euros to buy a new one on dualextreme instead of a repair? | 21:59 |
| b0bben | msknight: you find gas stations near you | 21:59 |
| b0bben | no prices | 21:59 |
| b0bben | which country are you in? | 21:59 |
| b0bben | i have data for germany, finland, sweden, norway, spain, argentina | 21:59 |
| b0bben | croatia too | 21:59 |
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| msknight | UK - I am an ex-truck driver, so I know where most of the fuel stations are on the routes that I drive. | 21:59 |
| b0bben | msknight: ah ok | 22:00 |
| msknight | And most of the ones between Folkestone and Muenchen | 22:00 |
| nander | Jolla employees : someone actually read your limited warranty document ;) | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | is there a 1000 USD prize in it? | 22:01 |
| msknight | At least it was readable, unlike the Fex-Ex document. | 22:01 |
| nander | unfortunately there isn't | 22:01 |
| nander | No 'free cake for anyone reading this line' within the document.. | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | Maybe a bit of lorem ipsum ? :D | 22:01 |
| nander | I sometimes put that in really long reports ;) | 22:01 |
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| nander | On page 7 of 12 or so :D | 22:01 |
| nander | I got one reply once | 22:02 |
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| nander | And of course I gave him a cake ;) | 22:02 |
| msknight | LOL! Cool. | 22:02 |
| Pnuu | "[editor: add my comment here!"] | 22:02 |
| Trizt | sad that they don't seem to be support for more wpa, so will not be able to use it at work | 22:02 |
| msknight | You must continue to hope that the document didn't go viral. | 22:02 |
| nander | You have to write your own text file | 22:02 |
| nander | A .config file | 22:02 |
| msknight | Or else write in a limitation to cake provision ... first 5 people to notice. | 22:03 |
| nander | https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaesothers-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 22:03 |
| nander | It isn't intended to be public | 22:03 |
| nander | And there are only ~20 people with access to that document | 22:03 |
| nander | So the possible damage is low ;) | 22:04 |
| nander | I didn't state 'a cake', I stated 'cake' | 22:04 |
| nander | So if they all claim the prize I just buy a few cakes and give them all a slice | 22:04 |
| msknight | You a lawyer? | 22:04 |
| nander | But.. The chance of that happening is around nil | 22:04 |
| nander | Nope | 22:04 |
| nander | Worse, an informatics student :D | 22:04 |
| msknight | :-D | 22:04 |
| Milo- | I made two searches in one minute at github and it says that's too fast. | 22:05 |
| nander | you're a bot | 22:05 |
| nander | Comeon, admit it, you're a bot ;) | 22:06 |
| Milo- | well obviously. But as a bot, I should be allowed to search at least twice per minute. | 22:06 |
| nander | can't argue with that ;) | 22:06 |
| Milo- | oh. I can increase the rating by logging in. | 22:06 |
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| msknight | night all | 22:11 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, there's quite some together posts about update failing and restore failing | 22:14 |
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| Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: sure thing | 22:14 |
| Pnuu | now, -> latest QI | 22:15 |
| Trizt | I got notification from badu.com one telling my breast would be big and firm within 7 days. Should be a spam filter in the notification area, so spam wouldn't appear there | 22:15 |
| nander | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AahPPFdneA << fun album ;) | 22:16 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, what regulates/causes UI lag on low battery.. | 22:23 |
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| ShadowJK | cpufreq looks unchanged.. and throttling it down wouldnt cause multisecond ui hangs, id hope | 22:24 |
| nander | powersaving on storage access? | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hmm... what is this: https://together.jolla.com/question/3612/release-notes-software-update-2-1025/?answer=4175#post-id-4175 | 22:24 |
| ShadowJK | nander: hm? | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the new update locks the bootloader??? | 22:25 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i thought this was supposed to be an open device? | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: Aard: plz explain? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: long story short the philosophy is that we are into user privacy. that includes privacy against attacks. the bootloader was in standard configuration such that you could immediately access the device's data, despite a lock code. | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: is it still possible to boot a different kernel? | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for rescue purposes? | 22:26 |
| nander | can you put a setting somewhere so you can disable it? | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | to somehow add a code? | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: my personal proposal is that recovery menu will allow you to write a code to a secure area that you then can do flashing and other things with | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | plus, if there's user privacy, then there should be encrypted partitions really | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | ie, accepting that your device can be accessed physically with that extra code | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: did you put this idea on together by any chance? | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'd vote that up | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | no, but that's how i'd be pushing it | 22:28 |
| nander | put it on together | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | i fwiw asked people to use dd on the device, not fastboot, when i explained things | 22:28 |
| nander | Stskeeps, put your vision on together and ask people their opinions | 22:28 |
| nander | Some people love to tinker with their device on a lower level | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | developer mode + fingerterm / ssh implies you've unlocked your device | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i can do it for you, if you don't like it, but i kinda need to be sure i don't do it wrong | 22:28 |
| nander | I personally like it when I can tinker all I want, but can't brick it | 22:28 |
| nander | So I'd stay away from the kernel | 22:29 |
| nander | And the basic os's features | 22:29 |
| nander | But some people just love to do tht | 22:29 |
| nander | that* | 22:29 |
| nander | And to them you took away their device | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sure, but booting a different kernel is like booting a livecd | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's not destructive as such | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | personally i'd just like that if i leave my phone in a bar, that people cannot easily access it's data. | 22:29 |
| nander | all the possibilities and dangers | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | despite that it may look like a locked bootloader | 22:29 |
| Venemo | it's != its | 22:29 |
| nander | I put a password on my boot order on my laptop, with a GOOD reason | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | especially since it's -my- rights we're protecting, not some content company | 22:30 |
| nander | Well, my linux home partition is encrypted, but still | 22:30 |
| nander | I think putting up a hurdle ain't bad | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i agree with you, but i'd still like some kind of way to keep it open | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:30 |
| nander | But you should provide an option to open it up again - without losing warranty | 22:30 |
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| nander | Also, I'd prefer to have a few different levels of developer mode | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | so what was done was locking down a security hole; next step is to remedy the problem that fix caused | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nander: i'd be fine if it lost warranty | 22:31 |
| nander | Right no I need to go all the way in order to just put another wifi config .. | 22:31 |
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| nander | That's a bit insane | 22:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: still, before this explodes in the media, it would be nice if people had suggestions on how to fix it in together | 22:31 |
| RaYmAn | tbh, adb on android has moved towards something more secure - encryption and having to approve each public key for the computer in question. Something like that could be done for e.g. a custom fastboot-like thing | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | at the very least the votes would show what people want | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: indeed | 22:32 |
| nander | Does mitakuuluu stay logged in when I close the application? | 22:32 |
| nander | Or do I need to keep it running? | 22:32 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | there is by the way one developer who got mad about that and takes his program out of the store | 22:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | this is why you need to say something fast | 22:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | before this explodes | 22:33 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | nander: i think it depends how you close it | 22:34 |
| Eztran | Maybe this change should have been made obvious in the changelog? | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | so, the traditional way that vendors lock down bootloaders is to only give you a code from a website that unlocks your device | 22:34 |
| ShadowJK | need two "recovery" partitions, "proper" recovery, and "test new kernel" partition :) | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | this way around it's you giving you the key to unlock your device | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:34 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: except google devices where you just do fastboot unlock | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 22:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes, that is better | 22:34 |
| RaYmAn | (unlocking wipes data though) | 22:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone put this on together, i'm not sure enough to do it | 22:35 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i'll vote it up though | 22:36 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | nander: If you closing application window it still connected to whatsapp and receiving messages. You need to choose pull down menu item "Quit" to close application and quit daemon. | 22:36 |
| nander | harhaanjohtaja - by swiping it shut? | 22:36 |
| nander | ah ;) | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | but needless to say, this isn't an intention to lock down, it's to help protect user data. it's a bit of a massive bug that it kills openness though | 22:36 |
| nander | Nice | 22:36 |
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| Stskeeps | so, first fix the bug, then fix openness | 22:36 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | or at least tit says that where you can donwload it | 22:36 |
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| nander | anyone found a good android camera? | 22:37 |
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| Chaz6 | nander: sony qx10 | 22:38 |
| nander | I meant an app | 22:38 |
| nander | apk file | 22:38 |
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| nander | it seems the camera app has improved a lot in low-light? | 22:41 |
| nander | (the normal jolla camera application) | 22:41 |
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| petantik | is anyone else getting multiple system update notifications? | 22:42 |
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| petantik | i've just got my third one tonight. | 22:44 |
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| micko_ | anyone know if there will be an owncloud client? | 22:47 |
| micko_ | petantik: have you upgraded successfully? have you checked the version from settings? | 22:48 |
| nander | put it on together, if there are loads of requests, there probably will be | 22:48 |
| Pnuu | micko_: I think yeah, just a sec | 22:48 |
| petantik | micko_: I did. | 22:48 |
| Pnuu | micko_: https://together.jolla.com/question/880/owncloud-integration/ | 22:49 |
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| micko_ | Pnuu: I knew I should have checked together... for some reason I didn't | 22:50 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | micko_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91003 | 22:50 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | but i dont know how good it is | 22:50 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | just notes i assume | 22:50 |
| Pnuu | micko_: no worries, I try to act as a together2irc bridge :-) | 22:51 |
| micko_ | looks like it. but it's nice to know there are other people who want owncloud as well | 22:51 |
| Pnuu | I'm one of them | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: well, if you want to, it's fair to start a together.* thread asking "Why exactly is the boot loader locked on 1.0.2.5?" | 22:52 |
| micko_ | there should be a bot here that checks everything from together | 22:52 |
| micko_ | for now, Pnuu will suffice | 22:52 |
| Pnuu | o7 | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: should be a nice sober discussion | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | so it has come to this | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | good evening M4rtinK | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: evening :) | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | didn't expect that to escalate this quickly :) | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | and it's a bug that you can't excersise openness things on 1.0.2.5, one to be fixed in future update | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | just as it was a bug that you could access a locked device's data with relative ease | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, it really should have been mentioned in the release notes | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it slipped | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | not intentional, i should have added it | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | well, even iOS7 has this feature IIRC | 22:57 |
| petantik | My wifi keeps disconnecting, then doesn't reconnect. :( | 22:57 |
| Venemo | so, if you want to mess with your kernel, stay with the older version and wait for the next update. if you already updated, you can always factory reset back | 22:58 |
| nander | just about every logo these days is either landscape 16:9 or 1:1 (album covers) :( | 22:58 |
| Venemo | I don't get all this whining, seriously | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | and still unless the data is really encrypted, it is not secure to begin with | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | it's all about ease | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | at least for laptop, I guess most companies have full disk encryption as a requirement nowadays | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | *laptops | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think a sane and protected encrypted emmc setup could work with a open bootloader, just as a general opinion | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | ie, one that couldn't be cheated by a malicious charger, as an example | 23:01 |
| M4rtinK | might be an issue on mobile devices - but encrypting the for example should be IMHO perfectly doable | 23:01 |
| kontio | as Jonni said with the windows and the lock on the door... not any script kiddy should be able to just do it... | 23:01 |
| nander | whats the minimum height for an ambiance? | 23:01 |
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| M4rtinK | well, what about touchscreen only input for the password ? | 23:02 |
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| Milo- | It seems that there are some phones with lock code enabled by default | 23:02 |
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| M4rtinK | well, unless the charger reflashes the device under it :) | 23:02 |
| kontio | nander: 540 x 1600 is recommend... for an ambiance pic | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: entirely plausible to do something bad | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, getting to the "draw the line somewhere" territory | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | if i can trust that my device will boot into something i've told it to trust, i'm happy | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | of course, we might add the pin entry to a bootloader burned to ROM and make the device explode on third failed try | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | yay, UEFI & secureboot | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | is there a "make together usable in sailfish browser"-together? :P | 23:04 |
| Milo- | NO! | 23:04 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: uefi is a fantastic idea, we should implement that | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | you can have animated graphs in BIOS menu or play Zork ! | 23:04 |
| micko_ | there should be a together app | 23:05 |
| nander | any way to change the color for the ambiance? | 23:05 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps I hope that was sarcasm O_O | 23:05 |
| nander | It's ridiculous how some black-white images get pink as color | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: i'm being sarcastic, don't worry | 23:05 |
| nander | http://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Features/ec/54/8d/dj.qdoigpun.jpg | 23:05 |
| nander | How is this pink? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: 'lock code enabled by default'? | 23:05 |
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| M4rtinK | but it might brick you laptop if you write to much data to the wrong UEFI variable :) | 23:05 |
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| M4rtinK | well, if someone wants to set use the lock code, so be it | 23:06 |
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| M4rtinK | but the enforced lock code on BB10 devices if developer mode is enabled is royal pain in the ass | 23:06 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: yes, there's a "together & browser" -together | 23:06 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps i.g. https://together.jolla.com/question/4108/how-to-reset-device-lock-code/ | 23:06 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: https://together.jolla.com/question/2464/native-browser-zooms-out-when-focusing-on-a-text-box/ | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention those retarded debug tokens, which you might not even get anymore if BB goes belly up :) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i suggest that we simply just get it implemented that you can set a code of your own for flashing purposes | 23:07 |
| Pnuu | bah, wrong one | 23:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: to be fair, after reading the TMO thread, i can see it... the problem is that locking the boot is actually something you do after implementing all the other security... | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | when that's enabled, bootloader's all yours, and your own responsibility | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | Pnuu: link? | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: sounds good | 23:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if i was calling the shots in Jolla, it would have held this part of update until alot of other security measures are taken | 23:08 |
| Pnuu | this is one of them: https://together.jolla.com/question/3759/dont-show-keyboard-when-webpage-focuses-text-box/ | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: that may be true, but you can't fix all the gaps at once | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, you don't want to loose developers | 23:08 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/526/dont-enforce-focus-to-textfield/ | 23:08 |
| Pnuu | aaand: https://together.jolla.com/question/2615/remove-on-screen-keyboard-pop-up-on-opening-web-pages/ | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | Pnuu: nothing about broken search, and missing "sort by"? | 23:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: yes, but now you create a marketing problem, which would not have existed if the rest was secured, or if the solution was there | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | I think some official answer might calm the waters a bit... | 23:09 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: hmm, no, not those | 23:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | in the TMO thread a sort of official answer was there, but it seemed the ship had sailed for those | 23:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway | 23:10 |
| prometoys | it's sad how some people went crazy on TMO, just because one uncomfortable or even wrong step... | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes, that is true | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | well, one can understand it based on bad experience with other devices | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but otoh, if this was discussed with community before deciding to put it in (silently) in an update... it doesn't look as good | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | the decisions have been made by people who -love- hacking their devices. | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | like the can't-downgrade on N9 | 23:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sadly, community talks take way too long | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: i would have put it on together.* if it had existed at the time. | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | well, updates might not convey intended intentions automatically :) | 23:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to see a locked bootloader, you'll see one | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | not the reasons why it's there | 23:13 |
| Jonni | Milo-: there is no way that device lock would be enabled by default, as factory really does not set it up. Only way to setup the lock code is to set up manyally from UI. So either your box was not sealed, or someone has done prank on you. | 23:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thing is, i imagine it goes like this: Marketing: "We need security now! people need it, or we lose devs" Engineering: "we can only stop bootloader quickly, the other parts need more stuff" Marketing: "do it now! we can worry about the other stuff later" | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: i can assure you that marketing was not involved | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: ok then | 23:14 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | actually Stskeeps if you're solution was in that update, i bet none of this would've happened, noone would even speak of it here or on together | 23:15 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps, do you even have marketing ;) | 23:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | a minor thread on TMO yes | 23:15 |
| Milo- | Jonni I've seen about five of suchs topics at Together. | 23:15 |
| Milo- | s/suchs/such/ | 23:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh well, we can only hope the unlocking ability happens sooner rather than later | 23:16 |
| Jonni | Milo-: yes 99% of those cases are when end user has forgotten which code she/he has put on the device. | 23:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | good point | 23:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but still warranty void at that point | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: we do | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: yes, instead recovery got pushed in as that was most important | 23:17 |
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| Milo- | Jonni possibly yes. | 23:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: that, i understand | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | some might speculate that we're only doing this to ensure neo900 gets enough funds | 23:17 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps, i know, was just a joke. and if we look at the official websites etc they do a plenty good job. | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: but, https://together.jolla.com/question/4159/backup-restore-not-working/ | 23:18 |
| Jonni | Milo-: and setup even asks the code twice to avoid typoes. | 23:18 |
| prometoys | btw, where are the backups stored? | 23:18 |
| Pnuu | timeout, let's get some sleep, shalle we? :-) | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | /home/nemo/.vault | 23:18 |
| Milo- | you weren't asked to set a lock code when setting up the device for the first time? | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, off to sleep, wife waiting in bed :-) | 23:19 |
| Pnuu | (I am, atleast, 'gnight!) | 23:19 |
| Jonni | Milo-: nope, only if you go to settings->devicelock->pulldown setup | 23:19 |
| Milo- | that's what I thought. | 23:19 |
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| nander | is there a way to prevent the keyboard from remembering every word I ever typed? | 23:20 |
| M4rtinK | is /home or /home/nemo on its own subvolume ? | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | /home is | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | and recovery reverts only the rootfs one I guess ? | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | it reverts both, currently. | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | another thing to improve | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | well, that makes the "make backup" in update dialog kinda pointless :) | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | nander; funny, I was wondering how to make it remember words I've typed | 23:23 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: not if you take it to sd card or something similar | 23:23 |
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| prometoys | you are using git for managing the backup? wow | 23:24 |
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| ShadowJK | on together logon page, why is top half of scrddn covered in a floating white band | 23:24 |
| nander | It remembers *everything* I typed (or perhaps just submitted) and gives it back as options | 23:25 |
| pdanek | http://www.cvedetails.com/product-list/firstchar-S/vendor_id-0/products.html Sailfish not there yet. | 23:25 |
| nander | Well, it doesn't do the same thing with passwords, but it's pretty damn annoying.. | 23:25 |
| spider-mario | nander : this one gets purple: http://i.imgur.com/wXI8nIY.jpg | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, anyway - good night guys, don't let the world catch fire during the night :P | 23:26 |
| spider-mario | I think it mixes the orange part and the blue part to get purple | 23:26 |
| nander | it seems to be pink/reddish on pure black/white images | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, I can't get together. to work properly even in firefox and opera with "request desktop version" enabled | 23:27 |
| nander | Hey, I'm a guy, I don't want pink menus | 23:27 |
| nander | Why even bother asking me what my favorite color is if you forget it 10 seconds later? | 23:27 |
| spider-mario | maybe the jpeg noise in the white parts is pinkish? | 23:27 |
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| nander | it's the case with lots of b/w images | 23:28 |
| nander | Two of them were different (yellow) | 23:28 |
| nander | But never blue | 23:28 |
| nander | never green | 23:28 |
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| Aard | AL13N_work: about the boot loader bit -- long story short, we're enabling more 'hacking without risk' (the recovery bit is part of that), and would prefer to keep your data only accessible by you. we can either wait until all is ready (thus blocking some hacking, or having you risk your device), or temporarily lock the device down a bit more than it used to, until we have everything in place so that _you_ can unlock your device, but not the ... | 23:29 |
| Aard | ... random bad guy | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: well, unless the backup automatically does this or at lest tells the user, it is useless :) | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | *least | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: BTW, sounds like a nice feature suggestion, should I open a "support for backing up to SD card" question to track this ? | 23:30 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: good night! (and less Fallout 3) :) | 23:31 |
| nander | that's a nice source for ambient ;) | 23:31 |
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| Aard | M4rtinK: you can, but we're already working on it :) | 23:32 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: ok then, have enough karma already :D | 23:36 |
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| Milo- | Should the auto-brightness setting work? | 23:52 |
| Milo- | I don't see any brightness difference on the screen between well luminated room and dark room. | 23:53 |
| Turski | works for me | 23:53 |
| Milo- | the screen luminates a dark room like 25W bulb | 23:53 |
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| Milo- | as far as I can work out, it just follows the scrollable "brightness" setting and doesn't automatically adjust it at all. | 23:56 |
| Milo- | maybe I just don't understand how that setting works. | 23:56 |
| Turski | brightness setting sets the relative level for brightness | 23:57 |
| Milo- | where is the light sensor located at? | 23:57 |
| Milo- | is it combined with the camera? | 23:57 |
| Milo- | nvm, found it. it's not visible to my naked eye. | 23:58 |
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