#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2013-12-26

nander	I use the album cover of the album Darker Days, by Stream of Passion at the moment	00:00
chem\|st	ggabriel: yes	00:00
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chem\|st	it is bound to the tutorial?	00:00
ggabriel	chem\|st: that's why	00:00
chem\|st	why are so many things coupled with BS?	00:00
ggabriel	Stskeeps explained that when you uninstall the tutorial, tracker goes away too and goodbye everything	00:00
ggabriel	i still have them	00:01
ggabriel	but kept the tutorial	00:01
chem\|st	android support is coupled with yandex...	00:01
ggabriel	you're asking the wrong person :)	00:01
chem\|st	what is the tutorial called in repos?	00:01
ggabriel	obviously tutorial related to ambience is a bug	00:01
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ggabriel	chem\|st: i've no idea... the best workaround apparently is to reset to factory settings	00:01
ggabriel	not sure whether somebody else has a better solution	00:02
pcfe	WTF made the dependencies for that package	00:02
pcfe	sigh	00:02
chem\|st	pcfe: o/	00:02
ggabriel	it's a bug (spoken like admiral ackhbar)	00:02
ggabriel	btw, anybody bumped into this?	00:02
ggabriel	# ssu ar mer-tools	00:02
ggabriel	[D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist	00:02
nander	Any Dr Who fans here?	00:02
ggabriel	"	00:02
pcfe	psssst, do NOT spoil it, have not seen it yet	00:03
Kabouik	Ok so indeed, I have write privileges in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard (though Filezilla returns errors when it has to create new files, but finally succeeds). Still some questions though: if I do "Pictures", "Music" and "Videos" folders in here, will Sailfish native apps pick files in the sdcard too? Should I do simlinks (and if so, how?)?	00:03
petantik	ooooo ... i forgot all about it!	00:03
nander	Spoilers, Darth Vader appears in it ;)	00:05
pcfe	nander: lol	00:05
nander	A certain site with a logo almost, but not entirely unlike the kind of vehicle jolla's name is based on has it available ;)	00:06
FireFly	:P	00:06
pcfe	hmm, rpm -q --requires jolla-preload-ambiences comes up as expected, so it's not the deps. What's the name of the tutorial? (it's not an rpm with tutorial in it's name)	00:06
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FireFly	Oh, I noticed the uninstalling-yandex-takes-dalvik-with-it thing had another downside.. it seemed to reset android apps' settings too	00:08
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FireFly	I should report that on together..	00:08
chem\|st	ggabriel: is it jolla-startupwizard? as it is not installed anymore	00:10
ggabriel	chem\|st: i have no clue... i'm telling you what i read here a couple of days ago	00:10
pcfe	jolla-startupwizard-0.0.66-10.12.1.jolla.armv7hl it is	00:10
pcfe	chem\|st: ^	00:11
Turski	ggabriel: reset to factory settings is not solution for anything!	00:11
ggabriel	Turski: don't shoot the messenger ;-)	00:12
ggabriel	it's a bug tho, so they'll fix it	00:12
Turski	ggabriel: the device has to be overly fscked up if you need reset...	00:12
AL13N_lizzy	ugh that together search is not that great... even i made a possible duplicate :-S	00:12
Turski	and if you need factory reset, the device is so fscked up that you can't do a factory reset	00:12
chem\|st	pcfe: yeah found it... depends on tracker-utils... that might be the reason why some stuff gets lost...	00:12
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: agree, you can't put spaces (or is that just me?)	00:12
FireFly	AL13N_lizzy: it's not terribly good indeed	00:12
Turski	if the device is alive, it's fixable	00:13
pcfe	chem\|st: yeah, with a broken tracker it's bound to act weird	00:13
FireFly	it also doesn't seem to do substring matching, only complete words	00:13
ggabriel	Turski: yeah, you need to reconfigure tracker tho	00:13
AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: i noted spaces, but that's because you press ENTER instead of click the button :-S	00:13
FireFly	like, "andro" gives no hits, but "android" gives two	00:13
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: THANKS	00:13
AL13N_lizzy	i also noted that a wiki post, isn't really a wiki post at all	00:13
Turski	ah, native whatsapp <3	00:14
AL13N_lizzy	better to remove it, i don't think in this form it serves any purpose	00:14
AL13N_lizzy	if it made a real wiki-like post (no comments, no answers) then it would be usable	00:15
Kabouik	Is there an easy way to know space available on sd from the Jolla? "About the product" in settings is only for the internal memory	00:15
SpeedEvil	df	00:17
* SpeedEvil needs to get a SD.		00:17
Kabouik	Thanks	00:17
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FireFly	AL13N_lizzy: "community wiki" mirrors how it works on StackOverflow, and it's more about having an answer be freely editable by anyone rather than "owned" by one user	00:17
Kabouik	No disk space GUI yet so	00:17
FireFly	There's plenty of things I'd change before that one, on Together.. :p	00:18
Kabouik	Unfortunately df does not seem to give info on my SD card, I see no /run/user/blahblah nor /dev/mmcblk1p1	00:18
FireFly	Kabouik: works for me	00:19
FireFly	you might want df -h (for human-readable sizes)	00:19
Kabouik	What does it show exactly for the sd?	00:19
FireFly	/dev/mmcblk1p1 487M 487M 0 100% /run/user/1000000/media/sdcard	00:20
FireFly	approx.	00:20
Kabouik	Hum, weir	00:20
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Kabouik	d	00:20
FireFly	Is the SD card mounted/can you interact with it from other apps? what filesystem did you partition it with?	00:20
Kabouik	I have no /dev/mmcblk1p1, but it seems to be there since I'm currently transfering files to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard	00:20
FireFly	Hum, weird	00:21
FireFly	df ought to show all mountpoints...	00:21
Kabouik	I think it's mounted since I'm transfering (or it transfers to internal memory if I paste anything into /run/user/blahblah while the card is not mounted?), don't know yet if I can interact, it was empty till now, it's partitionned to ext4	00:21
FireFly	If you're unlucky, you're coping files to the folder rather than the SD card.. :P	00:21
Kabouik	And so the folder would be internal memory without mounted sd?	00:22
FireFly	does `mount` show mmcblk1p1?	00:22
FireFly	Right	00:22
Kabouik	Arg, mount is unreadable	00:22
Kabouik	Give me time to see it clearly :P	00:22
FireFly	oh, right	00:23
ggabriel	Kabouik: do you have a /dev/mmcblk1?	00:23
Kabouik	No /dev/mmcblk1p1 in mount	00:23
FireFly	`findmnt` gets you a nicer tree	00:23
Kabouik	I guess I just forgot to mount it after last reboot... Since ext4 does not mount automatically :/	00:23
parasemic	Why isn't there a link to the wazapp (mitakuuluu) alpha version anywhere in the chatlog?????	00:23
FireFly	Yeah, probably	00:23
Kabouik	Weridly, when I df -h again, internal memory of the phone still show the same thing... But I transfered a lot of files in the mean time	00:24
Turski	Kabouik: edit your mount-sd.sh and it will mount automatically	00:24
raa70	parasemic: tinyurl.com/mitakuuluusf	00:24
Kabouik	I should mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard, right?	00:25
parasemic	raa70, i mean, i have installed it but i was wondering if you guys have missed the fact its released :p (im drunk)	00:25
Kabouik	Where is it Turski?	00:25
Turski	Kabouik: /usr/sbin IIRC	00:25
Kabouik	First lines say	00:26
Kabouik	#!/bin/bash	00:26
Kabouik	SDCARD=/dev/sdcard	00:26
Kabouik	Is that normal? Never saw that path, just /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /run/user/100000/etc.	00:26
Turski	Kabouik: delete conficlting mount options	00:27
Aard	Kabouik: it's a symlink to the proper device	00:27
Turski	Kabouik: that script is called by systemd on boot and by udev on sd-card insert	00:27
Kabouik	I have no idea how to edit that file. Or well, I do have, but I'm not expert enough and won't try some edits by myself if it may root the device :[	00:27
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Turski	Kabouik: ok, don't edit it then	00:28
Kabouik	But if you have any advice... :O	00:28
Turski	Kabouik: i don't want to give advice to do something you don't know what it is	00:28
Kabouik	No worries Turski, i know where the line is	00:28
Turski	Kabouik: read that http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount	00:29
Kabouik	I prefer having advice and chosing whether I'm capable or not, rather than not knowing	00:29
Turski	Kabouik: read that man page and you know what to do	00:29
Kabouik	But I see no conflicts in mount-sd.sh	00:30
Turski	isn't there uid= and gid=?	00:30
Kabouik	Yes	00:30
Turski	those are not mentioned under ext4 mount options and that's why the mount fail	00:30
HtheB	ugh	00:30
Turski	Kabouik: got it?	00:31
Kabouik	Not really, I see absolutely no mention of "ext4" in the file, so I don't know where I should edit it	00:31
Kabouik	(Or any other filesystem)	00:31
Turski	Kabouik: ok, don't edit it then	00:31
Kabouik	Haha	00:32
chem\|st	pcfe: all there ty	00:32
Kabouik	I like how you just assessed my level Turski :P	00:32
Turski	:)	00:32
Kabouik	http://pastebin.com/METtTaUZ Here's what I have	00:34
Turski	i've been using linux as my main OS for 8 or 9 years so it just looks quite obvious to me ;)	00:34
Turski	but that's not a thing that needs much experience about linux	00:35
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Turski	you should first check journal after inserting the card	00:36
Kabouik	Now for christmas, I'd like to see that in IRC: "<Turski> http://pastebin.com/xxxxxxx Here's what you should have Kabouik." :D	00:36
Kabouik	:>	00:36
Turski	Kabouik: i don't want to say that before i've found the best mount options myself, i just don't yet have a sdcard	00:36
Kabouik	:'<	00:37
Turski	Kabouik: but ok, just remove everything from -o to the end of the line	00:37
Turski	line 18: mount $SDCARD $MNT	00:37
Turski	that at least mounts it	00:37
Turski	but it will fail with FAT cards' permissions	00:38
Kabouik	So it will automatically mount to /run/user/something then? And there's a symlink in /dev/sdcard too, right, so I can past files in there too?	00:38
merlin1991	I need someone who already made a call with his / her jolla, I'm working on a call history import, but I can't tell from the ui if it's correct	00:38
Turski	and you might not be able to create directories on top level of sdcard as user	00:38
Kabouik	I'm gonna do a mount-sd.sh.backforFATcards	00:38
Kabouik	paste*	00:38
merlin1991	the question is how a number is displayed when you make a call, does it have an arrow or not?	00:38
Turski	Kabouik: /dev/sdcard is symlink to /dev/mmcblk1p0	00:39
Turski	Kabouik: you could also add logic for detecting filetype to that script, but it's another story	00:39
Turski	that could be done with blkid	00:39
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Kabouik	So if I edit line 18, then I may not be able to create Music/Videos/Pictures folders. Will the Sailfish apps find the files they are supposed to handle?	00:40
Turski	Kabouik: i have no idea how sailfish apps handle the card	00:41
Turski	Kabouik: i will get my card in two weeks	00:41
Turski	Kabouik: btw, how have you been mounting the sdcard now?	00:41
Turski	(or have you?)	00:42
Kabouik	mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard	00:42
Kabouik	But I've not rebooted in a while, to be honest I was told the command here and just used the history in Fingerterm to do it again	00:42
Turski	why the hell there is -o ?	00:43
Turski	let me guess, you have no idea?	00:43
Kabouik	Perhaps it was /mount -o /dev/mmcblk1p1 /home/nemo/sdcard? Don't remember actually	00:43
Turski	no it wasn't	00:43
Kabouik	You're right.	00:43
Turski	-o just does nothing there	00:43
Turski	;)	00:44
HtheB	Can anybody help me with something?	00:44
SpeedEvil	HtheB: probably not.	00:44
Kabouik	But I was told the command by someone here that seemed to know what he was saying, and I am careful and don't run dangerous stuff	00:44
SpeedEvil	But ask anyway.	00:44
Turski	but if that mount works fine, then you will have no problem with removing -o * from line 18	00:44
Kabouik	But I really want to take advantage of those 64 GB, so I had to ask here	00:44
Turski	Kabouik: so i'm 69.4% sure it will work fine if you just edit the line 18 as told	00:45
Kabouik	So I remove "-o [...]" till end of the line right? "-o" included?	00:45
HtheB	any idea how we can make symlinks work?	00:45
Turski	Kabouik: yes	00:45
Turski	Kabouik: -o doesn't do anything if you don't give any mount options	00:45
Kabouik	Anyway I have the .back file, and the pastebin if something goes wrong. The file should just be for the sdcard so not too riskyI guess	00:46
Kabouik	See? I try to be cautious at least :P	00:46
Turski	Kabouik: that's good	00:46
Turski	Kabouik: go ahead	00:46
Kabouik	Let's try to reboot the device and see what happens npw	00:47
Kabouik	now	00:47
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Kabouik	Not rebooted yet, but I just did another df -h	00:48
AL13N_lizzy	btw: isn't sdcard mounted already someplace?	00:48
Kabouik	My Filezilla transfer is over. It transfered over 40 GB of files (so it can only be on the SD card). The files are actually there, but df -h still show nothing that could be the sd card	00:48
AL13N_lizzy	wouldn't it be easier to bind mount it to the locations where alien-dalvik has access to?	00:48
Turski	Kabouik: paste full output of df -h	00:49
AL13N_lizzy	mount --bind /sdcard /home/nemo/sdcard ?	00:49
AL13N_lizzy	or something	00:49
Kabouik	[root@localhost sbin]# df -h	00:49
Kabouik	Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on	00:49
Kabouik	rootfs 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /	00:49
Kabouik	devtmpfs 406M 64K 406M 1% /dev	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 88K 407M 1% /dev/shm	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 407M 4.0K 100% /run	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 16K 407M 1% /tmp	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p19 8.0M 4.1M 3.9M 52% /drm	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p25 8.0M 4.2M 3.8M 54% /persist	00:49
AL13N_lizzy	Kabouik: pastebin plz	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p18 64M 45M 20M 70% /firmware	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p9 48M 7.0M 41M 15% /var/systemlog	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /swap	00:49
Turski	kelvan: pastebin...	00:49
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk0p28 14G 6.6G 6.7G 50% /home	00:49
Turski	Kabouik: ^	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /mnt/asec	00:49
Kabouik	tmpfs 407M 0 407M 0% /mnt/obb	00:49
HtheB	too late :)	00:49
Kabouik	Yes sorry, I underestimated the size of the pasted text	00:49
Kabouik	Too late now, sorry	00:49
FireFly	(You could've /part'ed to save us from some of it :p)	00:50
Kabouik	I just underestimated it, sorry, I didn't want to bother people :"<	00:50
AL13N_lizzy	Kabouik: you know, more than 3 lines is pushing it...	00:50
FireFly	Anyway, wouldn't it've been faster to just copy directly to SD card via an SD card reader?	00:50
Kabouik	Now I feel guilty and might end up hanging myself with my Jolla USB cable.	00:50
AL13N_lizzy	Kabouik: is it long enough?	00:51
Kabouik	The Jolla is my only card reader FireFly	00:51
FireFly	Oh	00:51
FireFly	AL13N_lizzy: is it longer than three lies?	00:51
FireFly	lines*	00:51
AL13N_lizzy	btw, i'd be interested in how good the card reader is	00:51
HtheB	Kabouik: no digital camera/n900/old phone/old sdcard reader	00:51
HtheB	?	00:51
Kabouik	If I tie it tight enough, it should be long enough AL13N_lizzy	00:51
Turski	Kabouik: that's weird	00:51
AL13N_lizzy	lol	00:51
merlin1991	SpeedEvil: you got your jolla right?	00:52
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	00:52
AL13N_lizzy	:-(	00:52
Kabouik	No digital SD-card camera, a N900 (but not here), a N9, and a sd card reader than never detected the µSD	00:52
merlin1991	then please check for me how an outbound call looks like in the call history :)	00:52
Kabouik	And no Linux distribution available at the moment	00:52
* AL13N_lizzy has no jolla yet		00:52
Kabouik	It sure seems to be Turski	00:53
HtheB	Does anyone else tried out DOSBOX on Jolla?	00:53
chem\|st	merlin1991: thought you have your jolla?	00:53
AL13N_lizzy	"And no Linux distribution available at the moment" <--- FATAL error :-)	00:53
HtheB	I couldn't mount an image :(	00:53
HtheB	keeps saying that it cant find it	00:53
merlin1991	chem\|st: yeah but no sim inside, so I don't know if my history import code works correct	00:53
SpeedEvil	merlin1991: No SIM ATM	00:53
chem\|st	merlin1991: what do you need?	00:53
Turski	Kabouik: how about /etc/mtab?	00:53
merlin1991	chem\|st: how does an outbound call look like in the dialer history, arrow or now arrow?	00:53
merlin1991	s/now/no/	00:54
AL13N_lizzy	i will be cutting my SIM when i get jolla (SIM without data, so interesting to see how it will cope)	00:54
chem\|st	merlin1991: where is the call history?	00:54
Turski	Kabouik: or df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?	00:54
merlin1991	chem\|st: when you open the phone app it should be right there	00:55
Kabouik	http://pastebin.com/rBDnhrtm /etc/mtab here Turski	00:55
Kabouik	And df -h /dev/mmcblk1p1 returns the following:	00:55
chem\|st	ah that arrow you mean	00:55
Kabouik	Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on	00:56
Kabouik	devtmpfs 406M 64K 406M 1% /dev	00:56
Turski	Kabouik: ls -l /dev/mmcblk1p1 ?	00:56
chem\|st	incoming has an arrow outgoing has no arrow, missed has a return-arrow	00:56
merlin1991	ah okay, then my code works	00:56
Kabouik	brw-rw---- 1 root disk 179, 33 Dec 25 01:00 /dev/mmcblk1p1	00:57
merlin1991	but the call mergin heuristics are not as good as on the n9	00:57
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Turski	Kabouik: you just don't seem to have it mounted... O_o	00:57
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Kabouik	fdisk -l does find the SD card, and says that it's 63.4 GB.	00:58
Turski	i'm just wonderin where you copied your failes	00:58
Turski	/dev/null? :D	00:58
Kabouik	But when I use Sailfish's filemanager directly on the Jolla, browse to /run/user/stuff, I can see the 40 GB music files I've just transfered through sftp	00:58
Kabouik	Really weird	00:58
Kabouik	And 40 GB could not have been pasted to internal memory	00:59
Turski	/dev/null has plenty of space... :P	00:59
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Kabouik	So let's retry after a reboot, it'll tell me if the sd automounts now	01:00
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Kabouik	Will be useful already to know that :p	01:00
chem\|st	Kabouik: if it is vfat it does...	01:00
Kabouik	It isn't	01:00
Kabouik	I had to change the filesystem using the Jolla (no other card reader here), and there is no mkfs vfat in there, so I used mkfs ext3	01:01
chem\|st	Kabouik: what fs are you trying?	01:01
Kabouik	ext4* sorry	01:01
Turski	chem\|st: mount-sd.sh is modified, so it should mount automatically	01:01
chem\|st	Kabouik: that will not mount... ext4 is unknown to the system at the time the script is triggered afair	01:02
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chem\|st	or are we beyond that problem yet?	01:02
M4rtinK	chem\|st: nope	01:02
M4rtinK	chem\|st: yeah, IIRC -o is just an invalid option for EXT, btrfs & co	01:03
M4rtinK	nope = ext4 is known	01:03
Turski	chem\|st: ext4 is perfectly known to the system	01:03
chem\|st	that simple? didn't bother to have a look after it yet	01:03
M4rtinK	I'll dump the mount script I'm using with my EXT4 card	01:03
Turski	M4rtinK: just remove -o ... from mount-sd.sh?	01:04
Kabouik	Turski	01:04
Turski	Kabouik	01:04
Kabouik	Turski	01:04
Kabouik	!	01:04
Turski	!	01:04
Kabouik	Great news: df -h now shows /dev/mmcblk1p1	01:04
Turski	(i think it works)	01:04
Kabouik	And the size reported seems normal :P	01:04
Kabouik	/dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 1022M 55G 2% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard	01:04
Turski	and it mount s automatically?	01:04
M4rtinK	chem\|st: http://fpaste.org/64306/	01:05
M4rtinK	that one should be already in a pull request to Nemo somewhere	01:05
M4rtinK	according to one of the Jolla guys	01:05
Kabouik	However Turski, as you reckoned it, I can't create folders in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard through sftp	01:06
Kabouik	Should I use the mount-sd.sh M4rtinK just shared?	01:06
Turski	Kabouik: script that M4rtinK pasted looks good	01:06
Turski	i would just have done it a bit differently	01:07
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Turski	and i would have that chown in filesystem, not in mount script...	01:07
M4rtinK	it should work both with vfat & EXT4, btrfs, etc.	01:07
Turski	yes	01:07
Kabouik	Hmm, nano has no paste option	01:10
Kabouik	Only for text copied from nano	01:10
Kabouik	Not from pastebin :o	01:10
Kabouik	Oh ok, just right click. My bad.	01:10
Turski	Kabouik: terminal is the application that does pasting	01:10
Kabouik	Yes but with Putty ssh I had no menu bar and did not remember how to paste	01:11
Kabouik	I remembered ctrl+shift+c for copying though, from my old Linux memories :p	01:11
Kabouik	Let's reboot again and AFK 5 min	01:12
Kabouik	No mention of the sdcard in df -h with M4rtinK's mount-sd/sh, weird	01:16
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Kabouik	.sh*	01:18
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M4rtinK	Kabouik: looks like this in df -h	01:31
M4rtinK	/dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 22G 35G 39% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard	01:31
Kabouik	Did not work for me. There was an empty line after the last "fi" in your file, I did not paste it in the mount-sd.sh I created from yours	01:33
Kabouik	Is there any chance it could have some consequences?	01:33
M4rtinK	Kabouik: also you can try to check the Journal for errors	01:33
M4rtinK	journalctl -b \| grep mount-sd.sh	01:33
M4rtinK	or	01:33
M4rtinK	journalctl -b \| grep mmc	01:33
M4rtinK	needs to be done as root as normal user IIRC does not see the relevant messages	01:33
M4rtinK	Kabouik: not really sure	01:33
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Kabouik	Humm now that's really weird. As it did not work with your file, I reverted to the default file with the edit advice from Turski... And I saw no card in df -h (it previously worked) and no /media folder in /run/user/100000. OK, so I created /media and /sdcard. Rebooted. Still no card in df -h with Turski's modified file (but it worked the first time)	01:35
Kabouik	journalctl -b \| grep mmc returns nothing M4rtinK, grep mount-sd.sh returns http://pastebin.com/jyhVSNvX	01:37
Kabouik	(It's the mount-sd.sh from Turski here)	01:37
Kabouik	Perhaps I should just chown something on the file?	01:37
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Turski	Kabouik: ls -l /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh	01:46
Kabouik	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1042 Dec 26 02:39 /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh	01:46
Turski	Kabouik: chmod +x /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh	01:46
Turski	Kabouik: you deleted and re-created the mount-sd.sh script?	01:46
Kabouik	Yes, I was typing it when you just highlighted me	01:46
Turski	Kabouik: you didn't make it executable ;)	01:47
Kabouik	So I changed the script back to M4rtinK version, with chmod +x it should work as expected now	01:47
Kabouik	Thanks a lot to both of you guys :)	01:47
Turski	np	01:48
Kabouik	df -h -> mmcblk1p1 is here	01:48
Turski	:)	01:48
Turski	sleep time now... good night	01:49
Turski	( it's soon 4:00 )	01:49
Kabouik	Good night, 2:50 here!	01:50
Kabouik	Let's copy some 60-ish GB in that fracking card :P	01:50
Kabouik	I've created a Music folder, we'll see if Media app likes it	01:50
Kabouik	Transfer is still ongoing, but Media app definitely sees some files I'm transfering, so "Music" folder at SD root = working	01:51
Turski	good to know	01:53
Kabouik	I've not tried with files directly at SD root though, but it would be a mess anyway so I prefer it with Music folder	01:54
Kabouik	The files play correctly	01:54
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HtheB	:(	02:03
HtheB	I hate my life	02:05
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HtheB	couldn't get it to work :( stupid dosbox	02:09
HtheB	good night all	02:09
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M4rtinK	yeah, I can confirm music on the SD card works just fine :)	02:23
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M4rtinK	just watch for tracker, might take some time to index it all	02:23
Kabouik	Anyway given how messed up some of my music file tags are, the results in Media app is just crap	02:24
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Kabouik	A lot of my music is properly tagged, but in 50 GB, only a small portion of badly tagged files is enough to make the Media app a total mess :<	02:25
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Kabouik	Does anyone know if there is some mplayer work for Sailfish? Gstreamer just fails reading a lot of my video files	02:27
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SpeedEvil	./a.out	04:04
SpeedEvil	Hello world[nemo@localhost ~]$	04:04
SpeedEvil	:)	04:04
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fk_lx	I've just received "guru" badge on Together. Does it mean I'm finally allowed to start my own sect?	09:14
Stskeeps	about damn time	09:14
fk_lx	;-)	09:15
* pettter hands fk_lx a "Pope" card		09:17
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fk_lx	hehe :-)	09:18
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Jope	sssminky pinky	09:22
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AL13N_lizzy	pettter: haha, but... we're all popes...	09:42
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AL13N_lizzy	Discordian Pope that is	09:42
AL13N_lizzy	is it me, or is the IRC channel more silent since the together thing?	09:43
Stskeeps	might be	09:44
Stskeeps	in practice it means that more focused conversations could happen here, for example	09:44
Stskeeps	stemming from together.*	09:45
Stskeeps	but	09:45
Stskeeps	it's also xxmas	09:45
Stskeeps	:P	09:45
Stskeeps	er, xmas	09:45
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HarhaanJohtaja	xxxmas	09:46
Frye	Hmm, is this known. I had notification screen open and it did not close. Then I clicked the twitter icon from there and now I have twitter on top of everything and no way to get to home screen or close it.	09:47
Stskeeps	Frye: do you have a lock code?	09:48
Frye	Yes, I just opened it before this happened	09:48
Frye	So doubletap-> enter lock code-> go to notification screen and there I am.	09:49
Stskeeps	photo + together.* bug?	09:49
Nicd-	AL13N_lizzy: also it's christmas	09:49
Frye	I'll try to get that. Got tons of visitors around	09:49
Frye	I'm sure it'll happen again. This is second or third time I have it	09:49
Frye	But there's really not much to photograph. Twitter feed which shows the clock & wlan & bt icons _very_ dim on background	09:50
Frye	So I'm pretty sure those are not visible in the photo.	09:50
Frye	Anyway back to kitchen...	09:51
Nicd-	Frye: use a screenshot app?	09:52
AL13N_lizzy	Nicd-: wasn't that yesterday?	09:55
AL13N_lizzy	bbiab	09:55
Frye	Nicd-, Problem is the phone is stuck in twitter.	09:56
Frye	but no time to debug now =(	09:56
Nicd-	AL13N_lizzy: it's boxing day today (also called second christmas day)	09:56
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Nicd-	Frye: ah	09:56
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krandom	is there any guide on how to use extra repos on jolla?	09:58
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jake9xx	krandom: ssu ar "name" "url"	10:12
jake9xx	then do pkcon refresh	10:12
krandom	thanks. now, is there a list of community repos somewhere?	10:13
jake9xx	all public repos on merproject.org are somewhat safe to be used	10:13
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jake9xx	we even embed mer-tools in our config but it is not enabled. to get it say ssu ar mer-tools	10:15
atlaz	http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1526249_10152068653114286_86062996_n.jpg bah. I tought i would be ready already. Still ALOT of work to do	10:16
krandom	jake9xx, thanks for the info	10:18
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AL13N_lizzy	atlaz: is that a TOH? :-)	10:22
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thessy	anyone tested already 'osmand~' from fdroid in jolla? i'm quite impressed, osm cards, offline navigation...	11:41
thessy	does voice navigation work for anyone?	11:44
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pcfe	ah, my journal has rotated, how do I output entries from before the rotation (I'm wondering why my tohd.service is running again even though I did a sysctl disable and a stop yesterdy, but http://fpaste.org/64359/)	12:07
pcfe	oh, RuntimeMaxUse=1M and Storage=volatile, guess I wwill not be looking at past logs	12:13
pcfe	s/ww/w/	12:13
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Pnuu	pcfe: sysctl mask tohd.service	12:16
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pcfe	Pnuu: yeah, I was looking because I was wondering about mask (not used before) and (disable), seems mask is indeed needed. I was kinda sorta expecting that since I did not remove TOH (and thus did not trigger the switch) that mask would not be needed	12:18
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Pnuu	pcfe: someone (Stskeeps?) said that disable'd processes can still be started by other sysctl stuff	12:20
spider-mario	yes	12:21
spider-mario	but appearently, masking tohd.service can brick the phone	12:21
spider-mario	so I’d just stop it manually for now	12:21
pcfe	Pnuu: yes (mask will link these units to /dev/null). The question I am curious about if what calls it if not the TOH change detet switch	12:22
pcfe	s/if what/is what/	12:22
Pnuu	spider-mario: that seems to be quite common idea, any source for that?	12:23
spider-mario	I’ll look for it	12:23
Pnuu	that was also said at t.j.c	12:23
Pnuu	but someone commented, that the bricking wasn't related to tohd	12:23
spider-mario	here, in french: http://jollafr.org/tutoriel-comment-desactiver-la-puce-nfc-du-jolla-pour-economiser-de-la-batterie/#comment-23850	12:24
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Pnuu	spider-mario: https://together.jolla.com/question/597/fix-power-consumption-other-half/	12:34
Pnuu	"FWIW, the brick was unrelated to this." - stskeeps	12:34
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covox	stupid question, but does the brightness slider actually do anything?	14:21
SpeedEvil	A tiny amount	14:22
Nicd-	covox: not if you have auto brightness set	14:22
SpeedEvil	Needs a bug raised on together - it can get much dimmer under auto-brightness	14:22
covox	I'm trying to use it in the dark	14:23
covox	my retinas hurt	14:23
Quu	covox: it does way more than what "automatic brightness" does	14:24
covox	the idle dimmer is much better	14:24
covox	but the slider has about 3% range	14:25
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Quu	something like that	14:27
macmaN	SpeedEvil: brightness thing is already reported on TJO	14:27
macmaN	TJC	14:27
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Quu	FTN	14:28
Nicd-	love all these TLAs	14:28
Chaz6	TDSftw	14:28
Quu	PLSWTFM8	14:28
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Pnuu	try working with satellies, and then come complaining about acronyms ;-D	14:29
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Kabouik	Or Biology and Research in general D:	14:29
macmaN	TMO and TJC - the only things you need to know	14:31
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Quu	no idea what any of those mean.	14:32
Kabouik	I guess TJC is together.jolla.com, seems useful by the way	14:33
Kabouik	Just like TMO	14:33
macmaN	talk maemo org, together jolla com ?	14:33
Pnuu	yup	14:33
SpeedEvil	macmaN: ah	14:42
AL13N_lizzy	is there actually something useful at TMO?	14:50
SpeedEvil	AL13N_lizzy: yes.	14:50
AL13N_lizzy	btw: if anyone wants to see my pic: https://together.jolla.com/users/289/al13n/ :-)	14:51
SpeedEvil	Unfortunately, scattered.	14:51
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: cute	14:52
Pnuu	https://together.jolla.com/users/54/pnuu/	14:53
Nicd-	eww, I'm xenophobic	14:53
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Pnuu	Nicd-: hay, I don't look that alien!	14:55
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Nicd-	hehe	14:57
ggabriel	hi there	15:03
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: i saw your pic before when i was following you :-)	15:53
AL13N_lizzy	iceman or something	15:53
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: it was -34 or so when I went for a 1,5 h walk :-)	15:54
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Morpog	yay, wifi hotspot app: https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot/tree/master/RPMS	16:06
AL13N_lizzy	is it accepted yet? who wrote it?	16:06
Morpog	https://sremes.kapsi.fi/	16:07
Nicd-	"This app has not been yet submitted to Jolla Harbour, since it uses connman-qt5 library, which is not yet approved, and I have not bothered as of yet to include the library into this project."	16:07
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SpeedEvil	Infrastructure or ad-hoc>	16:08
SpeedEvil	?	16:08
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Elleo	SpeedEvil: looks like infrastructure mode	16:20
Elleo	seems to work nicely	16:20
Nicd-	I love the speed at which new apps are coming :)	16:20
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SpeedEvil	nice	16:22
SpeedEvil	Just need the fleshlight app approved in store.	16:22
SpeedEvil	Err - flashlight	16:22
Nicd-	hahaha	16:22
Morpog	yep infrastructure, my Nexus 7 cannot see it	16:23
Elleo	Morpog: that'd suggest adhoc mode then	16:23
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Elleo	it's adhoc that android devices can't connect to	16:23
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	16:23
SpeedEvil	Grr.	16:23
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Morpog	elleo, ok, then it's ad hoc :D	16:24
SpeedEvil	'No, you don't want ad-hoc. Even though you were using it just fine the last version and we diddn't tell you an upgrade would remove it'	16:24
Elleo	nope, definitely infrastructure mode	16:24
Elleo	my nexus 7 can see and connect to it fine	16:24
SpeedEvil	:)	16:24
Morpog	elleo really?	16:24
Elleo	yep	16:24
Morpog	stock android?	16:24
Elleo	yep	16:24
SpeedEvil	Elleo: assuming your nexus 7 is not the 2012 version and you never upgraded?	16:24
Morpog	i try again	16:24
Elleo	SpeedEvil: it's a brand new one, it was a christmas gift from a client	16:25
Morpog	aah, now my Nexus 7 can see it	16:25
Morpog	Cool!	16:25
Elleo	excellent :)	16:25
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SpeedEvil	Now, can someone implement: http://xkcd.com/416/	16:26
Elleo	heh	16:27
AL13N_lizzy	i would like to delete some answers which don't make sense at all... but it seems that isn't possible?	16:27
Elleo	AL13N_lizzy: AskBot (the software together is using) gradually gives you more power as you get more karma	16:27
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: you just need more karma :-)	16:27
Elleo	AL13N_lizzy: so it might be that you just don't have enough to delete answers yet	16:27
M4rtinK	MOAR POWAR! :)	16:28
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: i think you only need a little bit more of karma :)	16:34
AL13N_lizzy	it didn't say any limit when it denied it to me	16:40
AL13N_lizzy	anyway, is there anyone else who would like to clean this up?	16:40
ggabriel	oh, so you tried already	16:40
ggabriel	which question?	16:40
AL13N_lizzy	i can edit posts, so i didn't think it would be different	16:41
ggabriel	maybe just downvote the answer?	16:41
AL13N_lizzy	https://together.jolla.com/question/206/landscape-mode/ <-- the last 2 answers are just not answers at all, they should be comments even though it's useless to say that.	16:42
AL13N_lizzy	also, someone should really have duplicate link to the actual original post	16:42
ggabriel	i can't :)	16:42
ggabriel	min 500 it says	16:42
ggabriel	but you're 120% correct	16:43
ggabriel	link is in the first answer actually	16:43
M4rtinK	also I think there should be separate "closed" and "duplicate" flags	16:43
M4rtinK	currently most closed questions are duplicates, but not all	16:44
AL13N_lizzy	i don't really care if duplicate is part of closed... as long as it actually link to the duplicate one	16:45
AL13N_lizzy	that is really annoying	16:45
AL13N_lizzy	also the search is annoying	16:46
AL13N_lizzy	as in how it only works with complete words	16:46
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: the "avoid enter to use spaces" solution you mentioned didn't work	16:46
ggabriel	well, for me	16:46
ggabriel	maybe no love for ff	16:46
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AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: yes, i'm using ff, if i press enter, i get all these %20 ones, but if i click next (or in drop down below) on the button, i get real spaces	16:47
AL13N_lizzy	though it doesn't search, that is only for new posts	16:48
AL13N_lizzy	btw: anyone want this too? https://together.jolla.com/question/2806/wardriving-app/	16:48
AL13N_lizzy	also, anyone know what DC-HSDPA means? is this like 3G? https://together.jolla.com/question/2764/is-jolla-dc-hsdpa-compatible/	16:48
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mcfrisk	which package provides ag-tool?	16:51
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HarhaanJohtaja	dc-hspda is "4g" at least many operators say so if i remember correctly	16:51
Pnuu	mcfrisk: I believe libaccounts-glib-tools	16:53
Pnuu	HarhaanJohtaja: no	16:53
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: dual-carrier 3G, so 3.5G	16:53
mcfrisk	Pnuu: libaccounts-glib-tools installed but I don't have ag-tool on my jolla	16:54
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: iow: probably not	16:56
AL13N_lizzy	anyone also want NFS mount app? https://together.jolla.com/question/2819/nfs-mount-app/	16:57
M4rtinK	would be useful :)	16:58
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: good idea, and adding another one ;-)	16:58
M4rtinK	NFS v3 or v4 ? :)	16:58
M4rtinK	BTW, doe we also have a question for a Samba one ?	16:58
ggabriel	https://together.jolla.com/question/2821/request-dlnaupnp-support/	16:59
ggabriel	M4rtinK: AL13N_lizzy included cifs support, which i think it's samba (isn't it?)	16:59
ggabriel	this website makes me feel like a boy scout with all its badges	17:00
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Pnuu	badges badges badges, oh no it's a downvote!	17:00
AL13N_lizzy	lol	17:01
AL13N_lizzy	who cares... at some point we've helped alot, who cares if you are high or low	17:01
M4rtinK	ggabriel: thanks :)	17:01
AL13N_lizzy	anyone likes to read manga? https://together.jolla.com/question/2823/native-mangawhat-app/	17:01
M4rtinK	well, I'm kinda split on the split vs merge question	17:01
M4rtinK	as a regular Bugzilla user, I'm kinda more for splitting stuff to self contained questions	17:02
M4rtinK	well, once I get modRana running, I plan to port my Mieru offline manga/comic book reader :)	17:03
Pnuu	ggabriel: https://together.jolla.com/question/1039/sharing-dlna/	17:03
M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73907	17:03
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AL13N_lizzy	M4rtinK: problem is that i've used MangaWhat and mark favorites, predownloaded from mangareader.net and such already	17:05
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: https://together.jolla.com/question/976/nfs-access/	17:07
M4rtinK	well, mine is offline only anyway	17:07
M4rtinK	at least for now :)	17:07
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M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: BTW, on my Android tablet, I'm using Manga Watcher: http://www.manga-watcher.com/	17:08
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M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: works really well, used to be in Play store but is self hosted since some dispute with Google	17:09
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M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: in the usual scenario, Google is totally unreachable to solve the dispute :)	17:10
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: actually, not a duplicate	17:12
Pnuu	isn't?	17:13
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: NFS access is possible, i want an app for it	17:13
AL13N_lizzy	that's why i tagged it app-request	17:13
AL13N_lizzy	M4rtinK: business as usual	17:14
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: ah, true!	17:14
AL13N_lizzy	gonna reopen and try to edit and be more clear!	17:14
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Pnuu	reopened already and removed my comment	17:15
AL13N_lizzy	ok :-)	17:16
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: i bolded "app"	17:17
Pnuu	:-)	17:18
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Stskeeps	good evening	17:21
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: after rereading, i didn't know how to make it clearer	17:22
AL13N_lizzy	Stskeeps: yo, how goes your holidays :-)	17:22
Pnuu	evening	17:22
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: maybe something like "Although it is possible to use NFS from commandline, a NFS mounting app would be nice to have"?	17:24
Pnuu	instead of the current first sentence	17:24
M4rtinK	well, app - what about "integrated OS functionality accessible from the UI" ? :)	17:25
javispedro	unless you plan on letting tracker index any "newly mounted NFS mounts", what use do you have from a UI NFS mounting app?	17:25
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Pnuu	javispedro: devmode not needed	17:26
javispedro	devmode will be always needed as you need root to insmod	17:26
M4rtinK	javispedro: well, that could be worked around	17:26
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M4rtinK	javispedro: and I would expect classic "open file/folder" players to show up sooner or later	17:27
Stskeeps	AL13N_lizzy: it's all good	17:27
tbr	nothing that needs root privs is allowed in harbor	17:27
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javispedro	M4rtinK: but then e.g. gvfs plugins are more interesting because they allow those things in userspace	17:28
javispedro	(or kio or whatever Qt uses , if anything...)	17:28
M4rtinK	well, I don't really care how it is implemented	17:28
javispedro	(for the normal user -- not for me of course)	17:28
M4rtinK	as long it works, is reasonable performance and secure	17:28
javispedro	NFS and secure in the same sentence?	17:29
M4rtinK	*performant	17:29
AL13N_lizzy	and maintainable... etc...	17:29
M4rtinK	yep, that too	17:29
AL13N_lizzy	can anyone with access remove the last answer from this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ?	17:29
M4rtinK	ok, maybe not secure with NFS :)	17:29
AL13N_lizzy	annoying people who answer instead of comment	17:29
AL13N_lizzy	M4rtinK: there is NFSv4...	17:30
AL13N_lizzy	though at home i use v3	17:30
AL13N_lizzy	but if i'm linking it with openvpn, it'll be ok :-)	17:30
M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: I know, but that it about all I know about v4 - that it exists :)	17:30
M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: or SSH tunnel	17:30
javispedro	I suspect that the gvfs cifs plugin may be already there	17:30
javispedro	in the device I mean.	17:31
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: still 153 short of karma	17:31
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: heh	17:33
AL13N_lizzy	Stskeeps: if you like, could you remove 2nd answer from https://together.jolla.com/question/2814/what-kind-of-features-should-users-expect-from-update-2/ ? it's annoying when people should comment rather than answer	17:34
ggabriel	Pnuu: thanks for closing my dlna question	17:34
ggabriel	search doesn't work properly, clearly	17:35
AL13N_lizzy	yeah :-S	17:35
Pnuu	it's a bit slow and unintuitive	17:36
ggabriel	well, i searched for dlna and upnp before	17:36
ggabriel	twice	17:36
ggabriel	:)	17:36
ggabriel	also, if you search "dlna" and hit enter, you get no results	17:36
AL13N_lizzy	heh	17:36
Pnuu	ggabriel: try this: write dlna to the search/ask/foo textbox but don't hit enter	17:37
HarhaanJohtaja	i got 3 qustions	17:37
ggabriel	Pnuu: yeah, you get the typeahead kind of results	17:38
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ggabriel	Pnuu: i was doing that, but, like you say, sometimes it's slow	17:38
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Pnuu	ggabriel: yeah :-/	17:38
ggabriel	intuitively, when you hit enter, you want the next page with results	17:38
ggabriel	hit enter or click the magnifying glass	17:38
ggabriel	anyway	17:38
mcfrisk	my missing ag-tool issue was just a user not able to enable network connection on phone	17:39
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Pnuu	ggabriel: sounds like a feature-request + together + askbot :-)	17:40
ggabriel	Pnuu: yeap, maybe	17:40
ggabriel	aahhhh	17:41
ggabriel	so it filters by all/unanswered/followed	17:41
ggabriel	good to know	17:41
ggabriel	ok, now how do i go about and persist iptables rules? :)	17:41
AL13N_lizzy	when searching you ideally want all	17:41
AL13N_lizzy	to start with	17:41
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: yeah, you have to make sure you click "all" and then search	17:42
AL13N_lizzy	that's annoying	17:42
M4rtinK	ggabriel: use FirewallD ? :)	17:42
ggabriel	yeah, but that's more of a feature request	17:42
AL13N_lizzy	especially since if you just go to together, you aren filtered on unanswered	17:42
M4rtinK	ggabriel: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD	17:42
AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: rc.local ? :-)	17:42
ggabriel	M4rtinK: i meant on the jolla	17:42
AL13N_lizzy	what kind of iptables frontend is jolla using?	17:43
AL13N_lizzy	shorewall?	17:43
M4rtinK	ggabriel: so do I :)	17:43
ggabriel	i have no idea	17:43
ggabriel	i never use fw frontends	17:43
ggabriel	maybe i want iptables-restore /etc/sysconfig/iptables every time it's turned on	17:44
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AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: check what kind of systemd services there are	17:46
AL13N_lizzy	you can probably use iptables.service (if it's there)	17:46
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: yeap, will do	17:46
AL13N_lizzy	don't forget ip6tables.service as well :-)	17:46
AL13N_lizzy	or you're gonna be hacked if you accidentally walk into a wifi zone with ipv6 functionality	17:46
ggabriel	i just want to persist usb tethering, and i use ipv4, so there	17:46
mcfrisk	anyone know how to edit the jolla email signature? The separator needs a space :)	17:47
AL13N_lizzy	lol @ https://together.jolla.com/question/862/stock-browser-should-be-based-on-chromium-browser/	17:48
AL13N_lizzy	i have downvoted it	17:49
M4rtinK	Oh how I hate those "Sent from my shiny mobile device" signatures ! It looks just _so_ unprofessional. :)	17:49
AL13N_lizzy	me too	17:50
Plnt	mcfrisk: if you mean the content of the signature it's in settings -> apps -> email	17:50
M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: well, the upcoming Qt WebEngine will be using the new Blink engine used by Chromium :)	17:50
Plnt	mcfrisk: if you mean how to edit the actual signature separator i have no idea where is that located but it will probably need devel mode + terminal access :)	17:51
Morpog	lol it's -1 votes now	17:51
M4rtinK	AL13N_lizzy: but yeah, kinda moot as the Sailfish browser is using the Mozilla Gecko embed stuff anyway	17:51
ggabriel	i commented... the request should be "ability to sync"	17:51
ggabriel	it'd be a valid request otherwise	17:51
mcfrisk	Plnt: thanks, I was expecting devel mode answer and vi something on device :)	17:53
Plnt	:))	17:54
ggabriel	the settings->apps is awesome btw	17:54
Pnuu	mcfrisk: file and bug report, I'll upvote that	17:55
Plnt	yep, i like that idea, too. it doesn't clutter the app itself and all settings are on one place.	17:55
Pnuu	M4rtinK: another thing I don't understand is changing irc nick depending on the device :-P	17:56
SpeedEvil	Pnuu: It can be useful if you've got multiple logged in devices - or may do.	17:56
M4rtinK	well, that kinda makes sense	17:56
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M4rtinK	I'm actually doing that	17:57
Pnuu	why, may I ask?	17:57
AL13N_lizzy	anyone know how to force different mobile network? https://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/	17:57
Pnuu	SpeedEvil: doesn't really, atleast for me :-D	17:57
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SpeedEvil	AL13N_lizzy: And on the related matter - I'd like to know signal strengths for available networks, before purchasing SIM	17:58
M4rtinK	well, can't have the same login in two clients	17:58
SpeedEvil	M4rtinK: Well - you sort of can. Quassel.	17:58
M4rtinK	well, sure I could also setup a bouncer and use that :)	17:59
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: i think it's in settings->mobile network. can't test right now as my sim card is in the n9	17:59
Pnuu	bouncer or screen :-)	17:59
SpeedEvil	AL13N_lizzy: I guess the root question is 'how do I talk to the modem via at commands'	17:59
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Stskeeps	SpeedEvil: you don't really.. it all goes through the RIL , i think	18:00
AL13N_lizzy	SpeedEvil: rather, how can i influence the software that binds to mobile network	18:01
AL13N_lizzy	at the very least such a thing has a blacklist feature	18:01
AL13N_lizzy	and mapping signal strength for various providers would also be nice	18:02
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AL13N_lizzy	perhaps there's an app for that	18:02
SpeedEvil	Stskeeps: at+cops=? would in principle let me read back the list of available operators.	18:02
SpeedEvil	But oh well.	18:02
mcfrisk	Plnt: https://together.jolla.com/question/2884/email-signature-separator-use-standard-dash-dash-space-/	18:04
Plnt	mcfrisk: upvoted	18:05
* Pnuu too		18:06
Pnuu	also retagged, +bug	18:07
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Pnuu	I guess "standards-violation" would be a tad harsh ;-D	18:08
M4rtinK	"treason" ? :)	18:08
Pnuu	:-D	18:09
ggabriel	lol	18:09
Stskeeps	treason against the interweb	18:10
Pnuu	damn, I never remember to check the "minor edit" box	18:16
pp_	You know what happens to standards violators? http://xkcd.com/838/	18:17
Pnuu	there should be a way to change "answers" to comments	18:18
ggabriel	Pnuu: +1	18:19
pp_	re signal strength, http://www.netradar.org/en may be useful (no sailfish client I suppose)	18:19
mcfrisk	is the email client adding a ; to the end of all standard header fields like To: ?	18:20
mcfrisk	too OutLook'ish for me	18:20
M4rtinK	pp_: there is also OpenSignal http://opensignal.com/index.php?lat=51.5289&lng=-0.1016&initZoom=10&isHeatMap=1	18:21
Kiranos	is there widget support for sailfishos btw?	18:21
Kiranos	live status from an app	18:21
ggabriel	Kiranos: that's what the covers are for	18:21
* ggabriel trying cryptsetup... nice if it works		18:21
Kiranos	ggabriel: nice, is it possible to get android apps widget added?	18:22
Kiranos	is in love with anag for icinga/nagios status updates	18:22
ggabriel	Kiranos: no idea, i haven't tried android yet, but i guess the answer is likely "no" (at least for hte time being)	18:22
suy	I've transfered some albums to ~/Music, but only 1 cover appears in Albums (the others have the transparent icon). Do you know what assigns an image? I have no embedded artwork, just cover.jpg files in the folders	18:25
M4rtinK	suy: probably some tracker magic	18:27
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suy	that's what I thought. Any way to make it reindex or something? I've tried even rebooting	18:27
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flux	do partially written text messages (and then swipe away) get lost for you as well?	18:34
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ggabriel	flux: yeap, and there is a request for that in together	18:36
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flux	can't find it..	18:38
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ggabriel	flux: i may be wrong then	18:39
* ggabriel read so many bugs in so many different places...		18:39
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flux	ggabriel, do you happen to remember any keywords? partial, sms or message didn't do it for me.	18:40
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HarhaanJohtaja	this? https://together.jolla.com/question/1224/bug-message-draft-is-deleted-when-moving-between-conversations/	18:41
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Pnuu	gnaah, why people add tags to topic, like [bug] or bug:	18:43
Pnuu	-> sauna	18:43
ggabriel	Pnuu: i have done. and the reason is: mistake :)	18:44
flux	I find it rather useful, if there were a common approach to it. there doesn't appear to way to say that tag X is the most important one, etc.	18:44
Pnuu	flux: there's the tagging system for that :-)	18:45
flux	for example if it were possible to colorize tags (and it would be jolla employees that would do the colorization) then plain tags would be just as useful	18:45
flux	pnuu, I can't really visually prune out bugs and features from each other from the long list of tags as easily as from the Bug: -prefix	18:45
Pnuu	I'd assume the first one is the most important	18:46
flux	I'd assume they are just in random order	18:46
Pnuu	flux: hmm, maybe	18:46
Pnuu	but now to sauna \o/	18:46
ggabriel	in fairness, the faq hasn't given any guidance on this...	18:46
flux	but it would make sense to have the most common tags first	18:46
ggabriel	(and jolla is going to have to go through this, so shrug)	18:46
flux	(barring that, alphabetically)	18:46
flux	that way the most high-level tags would always be first..	18:46
flux	(but I wonder if Jola has lots of manpower to change the askbot, if that is even possible without asking askbot to do it..)	18:47
Quu	one does not simply ask the askbot	18:48
flux	askbot is open source so changing it should be possible. if you have python/django-able developers around.	18:48
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fk_lx	ah 666 questions on Together :-D	18:54
Waitee	satan owns jolla	18:54
Waitee	gg wp	18:54
Waitee	next will be jolla lumia wp9 phone	18:55
Quu	windows mobile 5	18:55
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ggabriel	on a more cheesy topic, i realized yesterday that i'll miss my n9 when i switch to the jolla	18:57
micko_	I do I fix sending email? it always tells me "Ongelma synkronoinnissa" (problem in synchronization?). I've seen the fix, but don't remember where	18:57
ggabriel	micko_: you mean the fix involving ag-tools?	18:58
micko_	I tried fixing with sqlite, but it didn't help	18:59
micko_	so I guess yesh	18:59
ggabriel	this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92122&highlight=sailfish+smtp	18:59
ggabriel	i used ag-tools	18:59
micko_	thanks	18:59
ggabriel	but ymmv	18:59
ggabriel	as in... there may be different properties for different providers	19:00
ggabriel	do you own the smtp server?	19:00
micko_	I have admin access to it yeah	19:00
ggabriel	what error is it giving?	19:00
ggabriel	(the server i mean)	19:01
micko_	I tried looking at the logs, but didn't find anything related to smtp. I admin some other parts of the server and the mail is mystery to me, so might have been looking the wrong place	19:01
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ggabriel	so, no access to /var/log/maillog or anything similar?	19:02
micko_	I have full access to everything. I just lack the skills when it comes to mail servers	19:03
ggabriel	micko_: ok, i suggest you start changing this setting: emailaddress	19:03
micko_	I checked /var/log/mail.err, .warn, .info and .log	19:03
ggabriel	to your actual email address	19:03
ggabriel	the other one i had to change was smtp/address	19:04
ggabriel	oh, and fullName	19:04
ggabriel	but it was a trial/error thing more than anything	19:04
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micko_	no help	19:09
micko_	still problem with sync	19:09
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ggabriel	micko_: any other setting in ag-tool list-settings [...] that has the username and is _not_ smtp/smtpusername?	19:11
friese	humm guys, anyone knows about qr-reader for sailfish?	19:14
micko_	ggabriel: imap4/username	19:15
ggabriel	micko_: sorry then, i'm not sure why it doesn't work	19:15
ggabriel	i'm assuming that it doesn't work for sending emails, correct?	19:15
micko_	yes. recieving works	19:16
micko_	it could be a problem with the server as well. we had some problems with certificates after previous system update	19:16
ggabriel	your best bet is to check the server logs to see the actual error	19:16
ggabriel	that will give you a clue	19:17
parasemic	i'm really new to linux "hacking", so uhm, how do you update apps from repos you have added? :D	19:17
ggabriel	most importantly: can you send emails using that server from other clients? :)	19:17
parasemic	in this case, MitäKuuluu in icoderuses repo	19:17
micko_	I haven't found any logs from smtp yet, so there might be some info	19:17
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micko_	and yes. I can send mail with other clients :) n900 works fine	19:18
ggabriel	micko_: then there is most likely a problem with the jolla	19:18
ggabriel	but you need to check the logs...	19:18
ggabriel	micko_: tip: the log may be set up in /etc/syslog.conf	19:20
parasemic	guys?	19:22
parasemic	whats the command to update apps from repositories	19:22
ggabriel	parasemic: i'm not too familiar with packagekit i'm afraid, but the command would be pkcon	19:22
ggabriel	or zypper, if you installed it	19:23
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micko_	ggabriel: now I found it!	19:23
micko_	2013-12-26 21:08:57 SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=<my address and IP> input="\026\003\001"	19:23
ggabriel	micko_: are you sure you configured the connection type correctly? (ssl vs tls vs plain)?	19:24
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micko_	I got thunderbird on my computer configured with "STARTTLS" and "normal password". When I conf jolla to use TLS it tells me there's problem logging in	19:28
micko_	when I set jolla on ssl, there's the problem with sync	19:28
ggabriel	micko_: which port did you use with ssl? and does your server support ssl?	19:29
micko_	and smtp log says this with tls	19:29
micko_	2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (recv): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.	19:29
micko_	2013-12-26 21:26:49 TLS error on connection from <addresses> (send): The specified session has been invalidated for some reason.	19:29
micko_	port is 587. same that works on TB and n900	19:29
ggabriel	yeah, but on TB and n900 you use starttls, not ssl	19:30
ggabriel	on the same port, correct?	19:30
micko_	on tb at least. I'll start up n900 and check	19:30
ggabriel	yeah, i don't think you can use the same port :)	19:31
ggabriel	is your server listening on port 465?	19:31
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: according to timestamps Plint beat you to it (by a minute), could you remove your own duplicate answer? :-)	19:35
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Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: as soon as I can find it :-D	19:37
AL13N_lizzy	https://together.jolla.com/question/2877/forcing-to-choose-different-mobile-network/	19:38
AL13N_lizzy	sorry	19:38
Pnuu	found it, gone	19:38
AL13N_lizzy	forgot the link	19:38
AL13N_lizzy	i had copied it and forgot to paste	19:38
AL13N_lizzy	:-S	19:38
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: huh... odd, your answer still stays even though the post says 1 answer	19:39
micko_	ggabriel: I'm guite sure the port is 587. and a strange thing... sending suddendly does not work on n900. same error on logs than with jolla	19:39
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: yeah :-P	19:39
Pnuu	also, [closed] topics can still be commented	19:40
ggabriel	micko_: so how is the n900 configured then? starttls or ssl?	19:40
micko_	ssl	19:40
ggabriel	micko_: i'm 99.99% certain that you can't use ssl and sarttls on an unencrypted connection in the same port	19:41
ggabriel	unless you have something weird that multiplexes the connections somehow	19:41
pigletto_	micko_: might be connected with: https://together.jolla.com/question/1042/smtp-problem-with-loggingcertificate/	19:41
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AL13N_lizzy	anyone seen this: https://together.jolla.com/question/2945/nonworking-android-apps/ ? at first i was gonna request him to redo it and split it up, but it's a wiki question	19:42
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: of course, or i couldn't comment if someone duplicates it, saying that they are wrong :-)	19:43
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: what do you mean by "it's a wiki question"?	19:43
AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: look above the posters name	19:43
AL13N_lizzy	there's a small icon that says "this post is a wiki, ..."	19:44
ggabriel	o i c	19:44
ggabriel	so that happens when you tick "community post"	19:44
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: true, but then the closed is a bit misleading..	19:44
AL13N_lizzy	ggabriel: yes	19:44
micko_	pigletto_: might be... I tried the settings with kmail and sending mail gave me a certificate error	19:45
ggabriel	micko_: i think that you have a few issues	19:45
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ggabriel	on one hand, your ssl doesn't seem to work (try it with thunderbird and see what happens)	19:45
ggabriel	if you are using postfix, then what pigletto_ suggested may be the issue why it doesn't work with startssl on your jolla	19:45
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parasemic	where can i get the flashlight app?	19:52
micko_	ggabriel: tb has only two choices. starttls and ssl/tls	19:53
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micko_	and the ssl/tls one does not work	19:55
AL13N_lizzy	btw: anyone know where to store CA certs? https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/	19:56
AL13N_lizzy	parasemic: iirc the Torch api is not yet finalized, so iinm there is an app laying in wait for it to be finalized so that it can be in the store	19:58
Morpog	that was the most strange icon I ever did :)	19:58
parasemic	alright, was just wondering as @AnttiSaarnio tweeted a pic of the flashlight app	19:59
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Morpog	it's the one from artemma	20:05
Morpog	should be in store soon he said somewhere	20:05
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artemma	it's in harbour QA since Dec 23	20:06
artemma	unfortunately harbour seems to be slower than even apple app store	20:06
artemma	and without much progress info	20:06
artemma	go grab the built at http://bit.ly/flashlight17	20:06
artemma	the build*	20:06
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mikhas	got my jolla phone, at last	20:07
Stskeeps	yay	20:07
mikhas	how do people deal with the non-working shop?	20:08
Stskeeps	hmm?	20:08
artemma	and yes, the torch api is not working, so flashlight is impossible. Except if with hell a lot of bouncing head against the wall :)	20:08
mikhas	I found it kind of non-intuitive to get the system update	20:08
Stskeeps	mikhas: got a jolla account?	20:08
mikhas	(had to read Aard's blog)	20:08
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mikhas	yes, why?	20:08
mikhas	I think the phone asked for it, too	20:08
Stskeeps	good - non-working shop?	20:08
mikhas	yeah, out of the box, the shop wouldnt work	20:09
mikhas	wouldnt show any contents	20:09
M4rtinK	artemma: hopefully the API will be fixed - flashlight is quite a critical functionality at times :)	20:09
mikhas	s/shop/store	20:09
M4rtinK	artemma: have you posted a question for it ? :)	20:10
Stskeeps	mikhas: hmmm	20:10
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Stskeeps	also	20:10
Stskeeps	aard has a blog?	20:10
Stskeeps	:P	20:10
artemma	M4rtinK: I was trying to tell that somebody (me) bounced his head against the wall long enough to make the impossible flashlight possible ;)	20:10
mikhas	well, it was definitely him who commented on the issue	20:10
Stskeeps	:nod:	20:10
mikhas	cant find the link but am looking	20:10
M4rtinK	artemma: yeah, I've followed your odyssey :)	20:10
Stskeeps	mikhas: does it work for you now?	20:11
mikhas	yes, after the system update	20:11
Stskeeps	good	20:11
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mikhas	but aren't system updates something I shouldnt have to trigger manually?	20:11
artemma	I would more appreciate if jolla could fix a bug with two apps trying to control the camera (at the moment it crashes the device). That would make it possible to enable cover control for flashlught	20:11
parasemic	cool, seems like my led is broken.. ffs -.-	20:12
parasemic	its flickering alot	20:12
Stskeeps	mikhas: aye - also, are you 3G-only or wifi too?	20:12
mikhas	both	20:12
Stskeeps	ok	20:12
mikhas	found the link: http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-os-got-yet-another-minor-software-update/	20:13
Stskeeps	odd, i'll see if i can reproduce that behaviour	20:13
mikhas	I found the step to trigger the download/update non-obvious	20:16
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mikhas	but that's perhaps me getting used to the ux first	20:16
Stskeeps	you discovered our co-creation site yet, too?	20:17
Yaniel	aka stackoverflow clone	20:17
mikhas	yes	20:17
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parasemic	anyone else experience major flickering with the flashlight?	20:20
Morpog	mikhas, I guess the device checks once a day if there is a system update available	20:20
mikhas	hm, good point	20:22
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SpeedEvil	parasemic: it's a hack - it's not supposed to flicker severely - but its not able to simply turn the light on.	20:22
fk_lx	mikhas: hi :-)	20:23
Morpog	hopefully next batches will be delivered with uptodate firmware from factory	20:23
parasemic	speedevil, ah okay	20:23
mikhas	hi fk_lx	20:23
zorael	What is the word on MMS support? I'm in the settings for Mobile network and can't seem to add a second connection	20:25
zorael	(Telia here in Sweden seem to have one APN for normal mobile data, one for MMS)	20:26
tbr	zorael: no MMS support currently	20:26
zorael	tbr: aw, okay :<	20:26
Pnuu	zorael: https://together.jolla.com/question/955/mms-multimedia-message/	20:26
Pnuu	upvoting should help :-)	20:27
zorael	on it	20:27
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Yaniel	"no ops, I'm outta here" wut	20:35
raa70	old script	20:36
AL13N_lizzy	anyone know the answer to this one? https://together.jolla.com/question/3005/why-do-i-keep-having-new-responses/	20:45
Pnuu	hmm	20:48
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AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: y'all have this too, right?	20:49
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: no, I have been able to clear those	20:50
Pnuu	now I selected all and clicked dismiss -> only the topics were left visible	20:51
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: ah! it shows only first 50, so the 6 responses might be in the older ones	20:52
Pnuu	and after refreshing also the titles were cleared away	20:52
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dunp	http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/26/tcl-idol-x-plus-2ghz-octa-core-activity-wristband/?ncid=rss_truncated	20:56
Yaniel	ehh, media player browsing by artist is a bit broken	20:56
Yaniel	it does not show songs without an album tag	20:56
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Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: added an answer	20:58
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: i haven't counted, but i might indeed be missing paging	20:59
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Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: I had 96 responses there, and after dismissing I had 46 left :-)	20:59
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Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: but there's no paging visible :-P	21:01
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krandom	maybe this helps someone, as it helped me: https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/temporary-fix-to-email-not-syncing-problem/	21:20
AL13N_lizzy	this is a difficult question: https://together.jolla.com/question/3014/clarification-of-open-source-policy/	21:24
AL13N_lizzy	not touching that one	21:24
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cage	hi, is anyone here who could help me with boot problems on my jolla?	21:28
Pnuu	Stskeeps still awake?	21:29
tbr	cage: what did you do to it?	21:32
cage	well, I tried to add sdcard to fstab to be mounted in adroid data... after reboot only black screen after boot logo.	21:34
cage	I removed the line with fastboot image afterwards, but still no change	21:34
Stskeeps	that was not very smart	21:35
Stskeeps	:P	21:35
tbr	cage: whereabouts in germany?	21:35
cage	yes	21:36
tbr	_where_ in germany... big country and all that...	21:36
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cage	:) dresden	21:37
tbr	I'd try geolocating that IP, but I'm on a train and MOSH barely handles...	21:37
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Yaniel	soo... first unbootable device?	21:37
tbr	nah, someone else managed already IIRC	21:38
rcg	tbr, wasn't that fixed with the help of Stskeeps ?	21:38
tbr	cage: https://plus.google.com/events/cnqqpijpf5rjigjr1eold2991kc - attend and 'magic things™' might happen	21:38
tbr	rcg: no idea, I didn't read the scrolling in here, too busy recently	21:39
rcg	tbr, hehe, well, that's just what i remembered having read somewhere(tm)	21:39
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AL13N_lizzy	if fastboot still works, it's not unbootable	21:41
Yaniel	hmm with tohd.service stopped battery life is quite nice	21:41
AJAX555	it sure is nice	21:41
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rcg	btw Stskeeps lurking here even during the holidays?	21:41
Yaniel	most sailors seem to	21:42
Pnuu	people who use irc, well, they (we) use irc :-D	21:42
Yaniel	(most who do anyway)	21:43
Skorpy	irssi all the time open. it's difficult not to look :P	21:44
tbr	:>	21:44
tbr	irssi ftw!	21:44
Skorpy	yup	21:44
AJAX555	tbr: agreed	21:44
tbr	(another great free software product from finland!)	21:44
Pnuu	go us! 8-)	21:44
Yaniel	if only clicking urls in weechat was easier..	21:45
pp_	with fingerterm you don't need to click urls!	21:45
pp_	(another great free software product from finland!)	21:45
* tbr uses fingerterm + mosh + screen + irssi == teh ultimate world dominating win!		21:45
Yaniel	but the url grabber does not work on too long urls	21:45
Skorpy	tbr: tmux > screen, but yeah, screen works too :P	21:46
tbr	yes, Hq`s fingerterm roxx!	21:46
Yaniel	since they are wrapped due to layuout	21:46
* pp_ updated to tmux too		21:46
Yaniel	(and nicklist)	21:46
tbr	Skorpy: didn't get around to that yet, but yeah, have it on my radar	21:46
Pnuu	tbr: does the mosh update screen correctly?	21:47
Yaniel	tmux ftw	21:47
rcg	heh, alright seems like you're the wrong (or even right) ones to ask about irc during holidays :D	21:47
Pnuu	tbr: the version I found has a glitch when changing between irssi windows	21:48
tbr	Pnuu: fingerterm seems to have some corner cases with lines that wrap	21:48
Pnuu	rcg: :-D	21:48
tbr	but that was on ssh on the n950 already	21:48
Pnuu	tbr: ah, so it's not mosh? but that doesn't happen with plain ssh..	21:48
tbr	I'll check	21:49
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tbr	I need to check if mosh in nemo is up to date anyway before I promote it to the community sailfish repo	21:49
* Yaniel waiting eagerly for that		21:50
rcg	tbr, community sailfish repo?	21:50
Skorpy	it's screen that breaks sometimes when changing windows in irssi. haven't had that problem after I changed to tmux	21:50
Yaniel	Pnuu: ssh goes "ohai I getted u an escape sequence. but I eated it"	21:50
Pnuu	omnom	21:53
tbr	rcg: https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10 - nothing there yet. Simply lacked the time. But people are free to submit SRs already and warm up their engines.	21:53
pp_	mosh-1.2.4-1.2.1.armv7hl seems recent	21:54
rcg	tbr, cool :D	21:54
Yaniel	hmm	21:55
rcg	tbr, might pester you some time about the mentioned guidelines and such :)	21:56
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tbr	btw: the aim for that repo is to naturally complement upstreams and not to break things (but without warranties etc)	21:56
Yaniel	could we have a packages.archlinux.org -like interface for that?	21:57
tbr	e.g. I would prefer to inherit mosh from nemo:devel:apps instead of having someone maintain a divergent package	21:57
rcg	tbr, sure, makes sense	21:58
Yaniel	looks somewhat similar already :3	21:58
tbr	Yaniel: OBS already provides much of that	21:58
rcg	tbr, but wouldn't simply adding nemo:devel:apps do the same then?	21:58
AL13N_lizzy	can someone with a Jolla answer this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/3105/sync-how-to-sync/ ?	21:59
tbr	rcg: I haven't fully made up my mind yet how this will relate, some things might not be compatible, so it might be better to rebuild them in a cleanly sailfish targeted project?	22:00
tbr	rcg: clearly UI apps belong into chum, as they'll need the silica bits.	22:01
rcg	tbr, aye, makes sense. especially considering that stuff in nemo:devel:foo usually changes at a pretty high speed	22:01
rcg	tbr, right	22:01
AL13N_lizzy	another one bites the dust: https://together.jolla.com/question/3114/i-there-a-way-to-reset-forgotten-root-password/	22:01
AL13N_lizzy	:-)	22:01
merlin1991	well that one would be easy	22:01
pp_	remains to be seen how fast sailfish moves :-)	22:01
merlin1991	generate new ssh pw, devel-su with new pw, passwd	22:02
merlin1991	...	22:02
rcg	so, having something "more stable" makes sense and of course to have sailfish specific stuff as well	22:02
merlin1991	profit	22:02
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rcg	tbr, and you avoid deps to things like nemo:devel:mw etc.	22:02
merlin1991	AL13N_lizzy: I'd answer it now, but I don't have linux available atm to check if I'm right :D	22:03
rcg	which i guess would have a good chance to break your sailfish installation if they are pulled in accidentally	22:03
tbr	yeah	22:04
AL13N_lizzy	i note that the most voted questions are actually the ones where the most "bikeshedding" is being done	22:05
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AL13N_lizzy	due to a topic where everyone can say something, their activity keeps being high, which means it catches the most votes	22:06
AL13N_lizzy	while some that are very clear and need no improvement, get less votes that way	22:06
AL13N_lizzy	even if most people would want it (if they would see it) :-)	22:06
merlin1991	AL13N_lizzy: yeah like https://together.jolla.com/question/741/how-can-one-import-in-jolla-the-n900n9-call-history/	22:08
* merlin1991 is in vote whore mode		22:08
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AL13N_lizzy	merlin1991: no, not like that one at all... :-)	22:14
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flux	so I think I wondered about this earlier but I finally made a together-question about it: https://together.jolla.com/question/3134/ability-to-rapidly-return-to-the-last-application-before-locking/ (basically: as fast return to last app after locking as in n900, or at least faster than it now is)	22:17
flux	merlin1991, hey, that's pretty nice, thanks for the link :)	22:18
flux	(..well, assuming it works..)	22:19
Pnuu	flux: and it was a duplicate.. :-)	22:20
flux	but ali3n has apparently read all the notifications ;-)	22:20
flux	(I mean questions)	22:21
flux	it doesn't link to the actual duplicate question though..	22:21
Pnuu	I'm on it	22:21
Pnuu	(as soon as I can find it..)	22:22
merlin1991	the duplicate is https://together.jolla.com/question/1146/import-sms-from-nokia-n9/	22:22
merlin1991	flux: and it works, I've tested it :)	22:22
Pnuu	https://together.jolla.com/question/472/after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/	22:24
Pnuu	and AL13N_lizzy was faster, again :-P	22:24
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flux	I think that particular link could atleast have better tags	22:27
flux	I think, for example, that lock-screen would be quite a relevant tag, maybe more relevant than having both ui and ux there ;-)	22:28
flux	(I suppose the 5-tag limit could be increase as well, but perhaps that's not the best idea)	22:28
Pnuu	retagged	22:29
flux	great, I'll find it next time :)	22:29
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flux	but I think it's for me to sleep. also all you tired Jolla developers, go to sleep now so you'll be ready to face the challenges tomorrow and implement all those things we've wished for ;-)	22:32
Stskeeps	isn't that what we've done all xmas.. :(	22:32
Pnuu	sleep, well, that might be good idea	22:33
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: sorry buddy	22:36
AL13N_lizzy	Pnuu: i'm going to sleep soon, so you can do what you want now :-)	22:36
AL13N_lizzy	flux: Pnuu: i too had a difficult time re-finding that original question	22:37
Pnuu	AL13N_lizzy: nah, there's a delete possibility for a reason :-)	22:38
Pnuu	and now, sleep	22:38
Trizt	what about this one https://together.jolla.com/question/3185/syncing-n900-calendar-to-jolla-everything-is-off-sync-with-one-hour/	22:39
Stskeeps	smells like a timezone setting wrong on one of the devices	22:40
ortylp	what is the most usable IRC client for Jolla (not necessary on teminal)	22:40
Trizt	Stskeeps: is there a way to adjust the timezone in Jolla so it will have the correct time?	22:41
Stskeeps	well, in settings..? :P	22:41
Trizt	Stskeeps: I have it set to auto sync with operator, shows the correct time for the time zone	22:42
ortylp	Stskeeps: there was some report (on together.jolla.com) about alarm being one hour off against displayed hour	22:42
ortylp	Stskeeps: maybe it is related...	22:42
Stskeeps	perhaps	22:42
Trizt	don't see how whole day events should be clocked by timezone, they should be bound to the date	22:43
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Trizt	ortylp: could be, having a CET derivated timezone seems to still prefer EET (Helsinki)	22:44
* Trizt has to get to bed "early" today		22:44
* Trizt waves good night		22:45
FireFly	ortylp, Stskeeps: also related: https://together.jolla.com/question/2132/new-calendar-entries-default-to-the-wrong-date/	22:46
FireFly	Though I think that one might be because it creates a Date object pointing to 00:00 of some day in UTC, and then take the local date of it, or something like that	22:46
FireFly	thus being off-by-one in some cases	22:47
FireFly	But I don't blame you, time is hard..	22:48
Stskeeps	time isn't hard, it's a literal nightmare	22:48
Stskeeps	:P	22:48
FireFly	:D	22:49
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artemma	There are two biggest problems in programming: Naming, Synchronization and Off-by-one errors	22:57
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viq	What's the recommended way to back up jolla before I play with the developer mode?	23:02
stephg	viq there's no officially sanctioned way to flash an image yet	23:03
stephg	so it depends what you mean by 'play'	23:03
spider-mario	artemma : you are concurrencyforgetting	23:03
viq	oh	23:03
viq	stephg: well, don't really know, start slow I guess - first thing I need to figure out is why the SD card is not getting mounted	23:04
stephg	we can probably help with that :)	23:04
viq	I guess next up on the list is installing gpodder ;)	23:04
stephg	how big and which filesystem	23:04
viq	64, I don't think it mounted with ext4, I'm certain it didn't mount with btrfs	23:04
viq	/run/user/100000/ shows only sdcard/ which is empty, I named the FS SD64	23:05
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viq	(yeah, I know, I'm creative like that)	23:05
viq	Tried both inserting while off and while on	23:05
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stephg	viq with a 64GB card you're out of luck with anything fat	23:07
stephg	ext4 should have been ok or btrfs	23:07
Chaz6	How about UDF?	23:08
stephg	prob not I'd have thought	23:08
stephg	afaik udf isn't supported	23:09
viq	stephg: yeah, first attempt was half hearted untill I realised it was exfat, right after that tried ext4 but didn't know where to look whether it mounted, formatted to btrfs and know where to look, chowned on laptop the FS to myself, transferred files, put CD in phone, don't see it	23:09
* stephg caveat lector, ← he's hammered		23:09
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stephg	viq so there's a known issue with the automounter not recognising things it should	23:09
stephg	I think that affects ext4/btrfs	23:10
stephg	first step if it's ext4 is to try to mount it by hand	23:10
viq	So just what I tried :D	23:10
viq	which requires enabling developer mode ;)	23:10
stephg	yesh	23:10
stephg	so developer mode is safe provided you don't do anything stupid :)	23:11
viq	right, no running away from that then	23:11
viq	noone would ever do anything stupid, would they? ;)	23:11
stephg	if you trust yourself with your device, I trust you with your device ;)	23:12
viq	:D	23:12
viq	Notice first thing I asked about was backup ;)	23:12
stephg	but seriously it comes with the caveat that if you do mess it up and you're not in .fi recovery may be expensive	23:12
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ggabriel	viq: fwiw, a backup at this point is probably a lot riskier than dev mode	23:12
ggabriel	a "proper" backup	23:13
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viq	Now that's reassuring :D	23:13
ggabriel	you basically have to boot the device in a special mode, dd all the partitions, and then you can kind of reflash it if you break something	23:13
stephg	tbh tinkering on the commandline or via ssh will be ok, it's messing around with automounting things (in your case) that is the real danger	23:13
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ggabriel	+1 stephg	23:13
* viq nods		23:14
viq	"allow developer updates" - what's that?	23:14
ggabriel	viq: don't enable that :)	23:14
* stephg "what's this red button? DON'T PRESS THE RED BUTTON"		23:15
ggabriel	(there's a known bug and it breaks packagekit or osmething or other)	23:15
viq	:D	23:15
viq	Ah, ok	23:15
viq	...I wonder if anyone tried installing saltstack on jolla	23:16
viq	Most of it seems to be python anyway, or at least I got such a feeling from what little I read	23:16
stephg	you an admin viq?	23:17
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viq	stephg: aye	23:18
viq	yay, it accepts ssh keys!	23:18
stephg	yep, it does :)	23:18
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stephg	basically if you know what you're doing tinker all you want, you'll only run into trouble if you try to do clever things with the automounter or fstab	23:19
stephg	or anything that any of the boot time stuff won't be happy with	23:19
viq	devel-su, was it?	23:19
stephg	yep	23:20
stephg	no sudo, no su	23:20
stephg	password for devel-su will be whatever you set/was randomly set in the UX in settings>developer-mode	23:20
* viq nods		23:20
viq	so... what's the recommended way to go about (auto)mounting that sdcard? systemd?	23:21
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stephg	you ever going to take the card out?	23:22
viq	Hm	23:22
viq	Probably not, but I don't want to have a hosed system if I do	23:23
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stephg	I'd avoid anything automatic as (hopefully) support for automounting things that aren't FAT should come	23:23
viq	mhmm	23:24
stephg	mean time a quick script would be easy enough	23:24
viq	huh	23:24
viq	mount -t btrfs /dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/	23:24
viq	mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk1p1,	23:24
stephg	hm	23:24
viq	journalctl -af, took the card out and put it back in and nothing appears	23:26
ggabriel	viq: blkio /dev/mmcblk1p1	23:26
ggabriel	(to see what linux thinks it is...)	23:26
stephg	was going to suggest just that	23:26
stephg	or blkid /that/device	23:26
viq	/dev/mmcblk1p1: LABEL="SD64" UUID="de593bc0-0271-4ab6-86fb-c408fa4840b5" UUID_SUB="58315f59-5a1e-42be-be1d-93f2a4642695" TYPE="btrfs"	23:28
stephg	hm	23:28
ggabriel	that's super weird	23:28
ggabriel	viq: is there anything in that file system?	23:29
viq	yes, I dumped some music on there	23:30
viq	not that I care about it, if that's what you're asking	23:30
ggabriel	and what did you use ot format it?	23:30
ggabriel	kernel version in particular	23:30
stephg	can you mount it in your comptuer?	23:30
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viq	mkfs.btrfs on arch	23:30
viq	yes, that's where I copied the data	23:30
ggabriel	kernel >3.4, right?	23:30
viq	3.12.5-1-ARCH	23:30
ggabriel	yeah...	23:30
ggabriel	maybe try to format it from sailfish	23:30
ggabriel	btrfs if still experimental, the format may have changed	23:31
viq	ook	23:31
ggabriel	but if you do that, you have to then test that it works back in your computer (assuming that you are interested in that use case)	23:31
ggabriel	backwards compat is easier than fwd compat	23:31
ggabriel	if not, ext4 is your friend	23:31
ggabriel	it doesn't have fancy ssd features, but you can't have everything :)	23:31
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viq	formatting on jolla, will see if computer mounts	23:32
viq	what is the "yo, gimme that package, bitch!" command on jolla?	23:32
ggabriel	lol	23:32
ggabriel	pkcon	23:32
stephg	right I'm going to bed	23:33
viq	it does search too?	23:33
stephg	yep	23:33
viq	stephg: sleep well	23:33
ggabriel	pkcon search name [name of something]	23:33
stephg	g'night guys	23:33
ggabriel	night stephg	23:33
stephg	see you tomorrow!	23:33
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viq	ah, formatted on jolla was able to mount it	23:34
ggabriel	i'd give it a little test	23:34
ggabriel	like don't copy anything that you haven't got a backup of	23:34
ggabriel	mine is btrfs too	23:34
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ggabriel	but has nothing as i'm still playing :P	23:34
viq	yeah	23:34
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viq	Mostly it's media dump, music and a buffer for podcasts ;)	23:35
viq	booo, there's no tmux package :P	23:35
ggabriel	screen	23:35
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ggabriel	there isn't mercurial either	23:35
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viq	Yeah, I know screen, but I grew to like tmux better ;)	23:36
ggabriel	same here	23:37
ggabriel	i don't know why i prefer tmux	23:37
ggabriel	maybe control+b is easier than control+a	23:37
Chaz6	tmux++	23:37
ggabriel	oh, i know why	23:37
AL13N_lizzy	huh, now that i think about it	23:38
ggabriel	tmux doesn't want control+ the second character	23:38
ggabriel	s/the/after the/	23:38
AL13N_lizzy	if i have a SD card, i should format it so that i can have a btrfs equal to the size of internal memory so i can balance it and have an SD backup :-)	23:38
viq	/dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user 0 0	23:38
viq	this looks OK	23:38
viq	?	23:38
AL13N_lizzy	i should've thought of that :-)	23:38
ggabriel	viq: that in /etc/fstab?	23:39
viq	ggabriel: for me it's the status bar, and ease of splitting	23:39
viq	ggabriel: yes	23:39
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: the emmc doesn't fit in a 16gb one ;-)	23:39
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AL13N_lizzy	isn't the mmc 16GB?	23:39
ggabriel	viq: just be aware that somebody lost access to their device by modifying the fstab	23:39
ggabriel	i don't know what that somebody did though	23:39
ggabriel	AL13N_lizzy: yeah, but i tried it :P	23:39
ggabriel	albeit in ext4, not btrfs	23:39
AL13N_lizzy	it's systemd, i would add nofail option	23:40
viq	ggabriel: I think I heard, that's why I'm asking if the line looks OK ;)	23:40
ggabriel	well, i tried to dd every partition	23:40
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AL13N_lizzy	if you change fstab, add nofail option	23:40
ggabriel	viq: i didn't add it to fstab myself	23:40
AL13N_lizzy	or if it's missing on boot, it will stop booting	23:40
AL13N_lizzy	nofail is ancient, allthough systemd is the first one to actually honor the option	23:40
viq	ggabriel: I don't want to devel-su to mount it every time. Also, with that permissions are wrong...	23:40
ggabriel	i'd follow AL13N_lizzy's advice	23:41
ggabriel	in fairness, you can always test it	23:41
ggabriel	before booting, that is	23:41
AL13N_lizzy	if there's no nofail it will need to be booted in the kernel stage, and if the driver isn't in kernel stage, but later, you're fucked	23:41
viq	/dev/mmcblk1p1 /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ btrfs noauto,user,nofail 0 0	23:42
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AL13N_lizzy	perhaps the other user made a typo which invalidated the subsequent lines and thus didn't boot (or something)	23:42
viq	eh, and will have to deal with the ages old problem of different uids...	23:42
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ggabriel	viq: you mean you haven't connected the jolla to your ldap yet? ;-)	23:44
AL13N_lizzy	also, iinm the option is "user=$UID" or "users" but check man pages	23:44
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* AL13N_lizzy is unsure		23:44
viq	:D	23:44
AL13N_lizzy	anyway, night all, and happy debricking :-)	23:44
viq	AL13N_lizzy: I thought that was for FAT and such	23:44
viq	night	23:44
AL13N_lizzy	viq, yes	23:45
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AL13N_lizzy	i don't see why you would use "user"	23:45
AL13N_lizzy	"users" i get	23:45
AL13N_lizzy	users should mean users are allowed to mount	23:45
AL13N_lizzy	user is for changing permissions	23:46
* ggabriel cd $BED		23:46
AL13N_lizzy	IINM	23:46
AL13N_lizzy	but yeah	23:46
AL13N_lizzy	bed it is	23:46
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viq	Thanks guys for giving me an example to follow, I should do that too ;)	23:46
* viq ejects		23:47
viq	Thanks for help :)	23:47
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prometoys	am I wrong or is Instagram app not available in Yandex.store?	23:57
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