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| lbt_ | the other option was to not turn it on today and wait until it was all polished ... sometime in february probably :D | 00:00 |
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| viq | lbt: some february anyway ;) | 00:00 |
| lbt | indeed | 00:00 |
| lbt | it's working now for me | 00:01 |
| lbt | they're bouncing the backend and modifying some tuning params | 00:01 |
| lbt | although I think it's 2am on christmas morning in finland | 00:01 |
| viq | eh, not seeing the logo either on fullhd tablet | 00:01 |
| viq | It's not that much earlier here, I guess I should finally remove myself from the keyboard and head to sleep :P | 00:02 |
| FireFly | Not seeing it on jolla browser, anyway | 00:02 |
| lbt | the icon is indeed missin | 00:04 |
| lbt | g | 00:04 |
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| smokex | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1505284_771585676188606_239492310_n.jpg who all here is in this picture? | 00:39 |
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| parasemic | guys | 01:06 |
| parasemic | would it be theoretically possible to make an executable file to install google play store? | 01:07 |
| parasemic | just as so many people seem to be afraid of even a little of terminal use | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course. | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if it'd pass whatever review process the store has | 01:10 |
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| M4rtinK | systemctl reboot ? :) | 01:18 |
| M4rtinK | "wakes" in about 30 seconds :) | 01:18 |
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| Kabouik | Hi there, and merry christmas | 01:25 |
| Kabouik | For christmas, I got my Jolla not being able to install apps from the store anymore :D | 01:25 |
| Kabouik | "Problem with installation of applicationname" | 01:26 |
| Kabouik | Is there a command I could use in terminal to get some details on the error and try to figure out what is wrong? | 01:26 |
| parasemic | Kabouik do you have the latest updates installed? | 01:26 |
| Kabouik | I think so, let me check | 01:26 |
| Kabouik | 1.0.1.12 and no update found | 01:27 |
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| parasemic | weird, the latest hotfix was supposed to fix that | 01:28 |
| parasemic | anyway, i gottago to bed | 01:28 |
| parasemic | most people here seem to be sleeping, too :/ | 01:28 |
| parasemic | i'd try resetting the phone | 01:29 |
| Kabouik | It worked till recently, it was actually working before the hotfix in my case | 01:29 |
| parasemic | ah | 01:29 |
| parasemic | hmm | 01:29 |
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| Kabouik | But just tried to install some new apps today, no success | 01:29 |
| Kabouik | Tried four apps, always the same issue, even after reboot | 01:29 |
| Kabouik | And reset is only my last resort :O | 01:29 |
| parasemic | yeah, ofc. i kinda understood the question in a way you got the device for christmas :D yeah im high | 01:30 |
| Kabouik | No no, got it before | 01:31 |
| Kabouik | My christmas present is just the broken store :p | 01:31 |
| parasemic | :p | 01:31 |
| parasemic | well, sounds like a new problem as i havent seen anyone complain about the store after the hotfix | 01:32 |
| parasemic | tomorrow you'll get better help from here | 01:32 |
| Kabouik | Thanks | 01:32 |
| Kabouik | I think I need to check a few command lines in terminal to have further details on the issue I have | 01:33 |
| Kabouik | Because "problem with installation of xxx" is a bit fuzzy :o | 01:33 |
| parasemic | indeed | 01:34 |
| parasemic | anyway, im off to bed | 01:34 |
| parasemic | good luck | 01:34 |
| Kabouik | Thanks parasemic, good night | 01:34 |
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| nander | 33% power usage over 14 hours of light / normal usage | 01:38 |
| nander | a bit of chatting, 6 short calls, some app store activity, etc. | 01:39 |
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| merlin1991 | Kabouik: try pkcon install "packagename" | 01:49 |
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| ccha4 | hi, I installed an .apk file,... how can I remove it ? | 07:48 |
| CraigA | hold down on the home screen until you see the icon with the X | 07:49 |
| CraigA | then click X to remove it | 07:49 |
| ccha4 | but it will remove the icon only right ? | 07:49 |
| ccha4 | or it will remove all files installed by that app | 07:50 |
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| Waitee_ | ccha4: it will remove the app completely | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | so, first impressions of together.jolla.com ? | 08:10 |
| Waitee | what is that? | 08:11 |
| Waitee | i think i should be aware | 08:11 |
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| Stskeeps | http://together.jolla.com :) | 08:13 |
| Waitee | bugtracker/ QA page for the users? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | Jolla believes in co-creation and wants to empower its users to participate in developing Jolla continuously | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | further and better. To facilitate co-creation and collect feedback, Jolla will be opening a portal at | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | together.jolla.com where customers can discuss and vote on which features they would like to see in Jolla, | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | report issues and submit ideas | 08:14 |
| Waitee | not a bad idea | 08:15 |
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| Plnt | Stskeeps: thanks for the notification about together launch :) | 09:01 |
| * Plnt is going to start to reporting bugs and feature requests | 09:02 | |
| flux | I like how civil/spam-free the comments at together have been so far :). | 09:02 |
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| Quu | so far.. :p | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, imagine this had been up with the midst of pre-order mess | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
| Yaniel | waiting for the 'y u no emacs' post... | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | Answer #1: because we have vim | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | ":D" | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | not even vim | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | vi | 09:17 |
| ccha4 | someone know waze app ? | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | what ze? | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | *is | 09:18 |
| ccha4 | this app freezed and force jolla to reboot | 09:18 |
| ccha4 | android application for traffic jam | 09:18 |
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| Waitee | Yaniel: it's actually vim, not vi | 09:19 |
| Waitee | the command is vi however for some reason | 09:20 |
| Yaniel | ccha4: systemctl restart aliendalvik.service | 09:20 |
| ccha4 | jolla auto rebooted | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | ccha4: it possibly used too much memory or something | 09:21 |
| Yaniel | Waitee: so it seems, cool | 09:21 |
| ccha4 | maybe | 09:21 |
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| tbr | Yaniel: I think you can get emacs. I bet Aard has a package in his OBS home project. | 10:01 |
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| phaeron | tbr: it's in mer-tools | 10:27 |
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| ggabriel | merry xmas to y'all | 10:30 |
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| dracula1 | any chance to know what is default password for su, nemo and devel-su users on jolla phone? | 10:44 |
| Morpog_PC | devel-su you set in settings by yourself | 10:45 |
| phaeron | dracula1: you can see / set it in developer mode settings | 10:45 |
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| ccha4 | someone use skype and voice call ? | 10:48 |
| ccha4 | there is echo | 10:49 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | wow, this together is a good idea | 10:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this'll definately be useful for a community FAQ at the very least | 10:51 |
| ighea | so far it looked like a complete mess | 10:52 |
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| ighea | but perhaps later on | 10:52 |
| pp_ | :-) | 10:56 |
| pp_ | some well-organized community wiki might work | 10:56 |
| pp_ | http://elinux.org/Jolla is not bad as a starting point, I suppose | 10:58 |
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| dracula1 | phaeron: do you y | 10:58 |
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| dracula1 | phaeron: you probably mean generated password for remote connection,but what i need is passwrod needs to be typed in terminal after doing su or devel-su commands | 10:59 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/1037/vibration-strenght/ | 11:00 |
| Pnuu | dracula1: that's the same setting | 11:00 |
| Pnuu | Morpog_PC: typo: strength, not strenght :-) | 11:00 |
| Morpog_PC | damn | 11:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/1037/vibration-strength/ :D | 11:01 |
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| ccha4 | on the bottom of the phone, the left part is the speaker, and the right one is the micro ? | 11:03 |
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| tbr | phaeron: ha, even better :) | 11:10 |
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| dracula1 | Pnuu, Phaeron: thanks. it does not work for su, but does for devel-su and nemo | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | cyril_: you were the one with a landscape phone? | 11:22 |
| cyril_ | Stskeeps : Yep it's me | 11:22 |
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| cyril_ | Stskeeps : Thanx for your help | 11:23 |
| cyril_ | Stskeeps : I got a linux PC running fedora | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | cyril_: ok, check your private message | 11:23 |
| Nicd- | landscape phone? | 11:23 |
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| Nicd- | battery life seems to be much better now that tohd.service is turned off | 11:24 |
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| Kabouik | Hi merlin1991, thanks. Unfortunately pkcon install harbour-simpleweather or pkcon install simpleweather do not find the package | 11:36 |
| Kabouik | My internet connection is working | 11:37 |
| Kabouik | Wait, it was working. Let's reset it | 11:37 |
| Kabouik | Still the same issue | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | Kabouik: did you try pkcon update first? | 11:38 |
| Kabouik | Nope, you're right. Using pkcon instead of apt-get kind of confuses me :p | 11:38 |
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| Kabouik | Still doesn't find the packages; update ran properly | 11:39 |
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| Kabouik | I ran the zypper commands for adding gPodder repos (on the gPodder wiki), could that be what messed everything up? It seemed to work properly when I did that | 11:40 |
| Pnuu | how about pkcon refresh? | 11:40 |
| Kabouik | Doing it | 11:41 |
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| Nicd- | what's the difference with pkcon update and refresh? | 11:41 |
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| Pnuu | if I've understood correctly, refresh gets new package info, update updates packages | 11:42 |
| Pnuu | updates installed packages | 11:43 |
| Kabouik | It asked me to accept (N/y) the signature for http://repo.merproject[...]something-about-gpodder[...], I said "y" and it replied (in French): The service failed during transactions. Returned to bash-3.2: | 11:43 |
| Kabouik | So update would be upgrade? | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | Pnuu: ah, I'm used to update vs upgrade | 11:44 |
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| Kabouik | I redid the refresh, this time I could accept the key for gPodder (don't understand why it didn't work the first time), so refresh ended correctly | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | I then tried install harbour-simpleweather, and it seems to work | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | No error message | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | Let's try if it works from the store for another app now | 11:46 |
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| Kabouik | Seems to be working... | 11:47 |
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| Kabouik | So basically my issue is that the store did not refresh properly the list of packages (although it did show new apps in the store) | 11:47 |
| Kabouik | Perhaps it was due to gPodder, but for some reason, I just insisted with pkcon refresh and it finally refreshed correctly, weird | 11:48 |
| Kabouik | Thanks all Pnuu Nicd- merlin1991! | 11:48 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 11:56 |
| Venemo | here're my bug reports from my first day with the Jolla: https://together.jolla.com/users/300/venemo/ | 11:56 |
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| Quu | only 14? | 11:58 |
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| Kabouik | If I uninstalled Android apps and they still have folders and files in /data/sdcard, is it safe to use root privileges to delete these folders? | 11:58 |
| Venemo | Quu: is that too few? | 11:59 |
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| AJAX555 | mm.. after almost 1h of phone use.. only 4% of battery used.. | 12:03 |
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| mattaustin | Anyone know if contacts generated when adding a Google Account are copied once-only, or if changes from Google are applied to the phone as well. And if so, do changes on the phone go back to Google? | 12:19 |
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| Venemo | mattaustin: I don't know but I think you can try it pretty easily | 12:20 |
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| mattaustin | Venemo: My test with an N950 didn't appear to sync either way - but not sure if I left it long enough. There was no log/messages on the sync screen in the settings. | 12:21 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: is the gralloc gstreamer module soc/platform dependant? | 12:25 |
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| Venemo | mattaustin: okay | 12:26 |
| Kabouik | Could someone experienced tell me if it is safe to use root privileges to delete folders in /data/sdcard of Android apps I have uninstalled? | 12:27 |
| Kabouik | I still have Waze and Sygic in here although I uninstalled them | 12:27 |
| ccha4 | Kabouik: Waze works well on your jolla ? | 12:29 |
| Kabouik | Nope, it crashed after I finished watching the tutorial, and then couldn't run it again | 12:30 |
| Kabouik | Hence I uninstalled it | 12:30 |
| ccha4 | same, it crashed and sailfish self reboot | 12:30 |
| Kabouik | No reboot in my case if I remember correctly | 12:31 |
| Kabouik | Have you uninstalled it ccha4? Could you check whether you still have a waze directory in /data/sdcard? | 12:31 |
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| ccha4 | yes still here | 12:32 |
| Kabouik | well, just tried rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty waze from /data/sdcard, got no errors, but waze is still here | 12:36 |
| Kabouik | And rm -r waze asks me confirmation for every single file :/ | 12:37 |
| Quu | y u no rm -rf | 12:37 |
| Kabouik | -rf :O right :o | 12:38 |
| Kabouik | Thanks | 12:38 |
| Quu | just dont typo the folder you want to delete | 12:38 |
| Kabouik | rm -rf / | 12:38 |
| Kabouik | :O | 12:38 |
| Kabouik | Don't even know if it would work :P | 12:38 |
| Quu | yeah. | 12:38 |
| Quu | try it? ;D | 12:39 |
| Kabouik | Sure. :] | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | krnlyng: what? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:39 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: package: libgstreamer0.10-gralloc i figured you might know | 12:40 |
| Kabouik | Where are the apk of Android files? | 12:41 |
| Kabouik | I seem to remember there are .apk files stored in the Jolla somewhere, had to rename one to solve an issue with Google Play (following a post on TMO) | 12:41 |
| ccha4 | Kabouik: it crash because speech | 12:42 |
| Kabouik | ? | 12:42 |
| ccha4 | during initialization, it took to long to download voices | 12:43 |
| Kabouik | So you removed /waze/sounds and it worked? | 12:43 |
| ccha4 | no just read crash log | 12:43 |
| ccha4 | and waze log | 12:43 |
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| Kabouik | I'd like to install Sygic too, really need offline navigation when travelling abroad | 12:48 |
| Kabouik | Let's lunch before! :] See you later | 12:48 |
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| Coder|jolla | is there any webbrowser that supports landscape for jolla? | 12:56 |
| AJAX555 | no idea | 12:56 |
| Pnuu | android firefox | 12:56 |
| Coder|jolla | Firefox works? | 12:57 |
| Coder|jolla | chrome didn't :( | 12:57 |
| AJAX555 | time to get going -> | 12:58 |
| Hartzi | FF works | 12:58 |
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| Coder|jolla | sweet! | 12:59 |
| ccha4 | for sygic it's not free right ? | 12:59 |
| Venemo | what's the optimal way to keep a good battery life? should I mercilessly squeeze the battery empty? | 13:03 |
| M4rtinK | newest Opera Mobile works | 13:04 |
| M4rtinK | also has text reflow (nice for portrait browsing) | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: disabling tohd.service | 13:05 |
| Coder|jolla | well, I'm going with ff, like to have some plugins :p | 13:05 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: already did that | 13:07 |
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| Venemo | android firefox? srsly? | 13:07 |
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| Pnuu | Venemo: yeah | 13:09 |
| Pnuu | I'll change to native implementation as soon as available, FF is the only app I need from android | 13:09 |
| Venemo | lol | 13:12 |
| Coder|jolla | I dunno, the implementation of android support pleases me actually :P | 13:12 |
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| Coder|jolla | I never really liked the OS, but I've been missing some of it's apps | 13:13 |
| Coder|jolla | speaking of which, is camera support to be expected for android apps? | 13:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Coder|jolla: it is | 13:14 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: lol? | 13:15 |
| Coder|jolla | Awesome, my friends keep nagging me about snapchat... | 13:15 |
| michiel_l | Hi, I have a question. My device cannot seem to connect to the Jolla Store. I reset it already to factory settings, created another Jolla account etc. | 13:17 |
| Pnuu | michiel_l: have you updated to .12 already? | 13:18 |
| michiel_l | It says 'Error downloading https://storeapi-a93 | 13:18 |
| michiel_l | How can I do that? | 13:18 |
| michiel_l | Pnuu: How can I update to .12 | 13:18 |
| Pnuu | settings -> system settings -> about device -> pulley menu -> "check for update" | 13:19 |
| michiel_l | I have 0.98.1.8 | 13:20 |
| michiel_l | It doesn't have an option 'about device', only "About product' | 13:20 |
| michiel_l | But that doesn't seem to have a pulley menu | 13:20 |
| Plnt | michiel_l: there should be pully menu from the top of the screen | 13:21 |
| phaeron | that's not even a release , where did you get that device ? :D | 13:21 |
| Coder|jolla | Ooh, someone with fancy prerelease? :O | 13:22 |
| Pnuu | 0.98.x 0_o | 13:23 |
| michiel_l | phaeron: Coder|jolla: indeed | 13:23 |
| michiel_l | that may explain there is no pulley menu | 13:24 |
| krnlyng | are any people with a jolla device here? | 13:25 |
| Pnuu | krnlyng: sure | 13:25 |
| Coder|jolla | I dont think so... | 13:25 |
| phaeron | highest concentration of jolla device owners you'll ever find :D | 13:25 |
| krnlyng | :) | 13:25 |
| Coder|jolla | I'm certainly not ircing from mine... | 13:26 |
| krnlyng | can somebody do "zypper in --download-only libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel" and upload the package? i fail to download it | 13:26 |
| krnlyng | asking doesn't hurt :) | 13:26 |
| krnlyng | unless people give mean answers^^ | 13:26 |
| michiel_l | Coder|jolla: is there a way to flash from prerelease to more or less current version? | 13:26 |
| Coder|jolla | hehe, just kidding around | 13:26 |
| Coder|jolla | micjiel, no idea, I've only had mine for a few days :p | 13:27 |
| Coder|jolla | michiel* | 13:27 |
| michiel_l | Mine arrived yesterday ;) | 13:27 |
| Coder|jolla | sweet | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | michiel_l: why flash and not update from sailfish os? | 13:27 |
| michiel_l | ggabriel: there does not seem to be an update option | 13:28 |
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| Pnuu | krnlyng: maybe pkcon install libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel would work? | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | michiel_l: yeah, there is... go to settings->about->pulley menu->check for updates | 13:28 |
| michiel_l | Unless someone can tell me where to look | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | or something along those lines | 13:28 |
| CoderCandy | Why was I ircing from my Jolla? | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | my device is currently in fastboot mode so i can't look | 13:28 |
| CoderCandy | I was sitting at my desktop | 13:28 |
| CoderCandy | ggabriel, michiel_l can't use the pully menu to update | 13:29 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: he has a pre-release software, version 0.98.x | 13:29 |
| CoderCandy | he hase a pre-release thingie | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | ok, sorry | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | should have scrolled up :) | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | i have no idea how you got that release | 13:29 |
| krnlyng | Pnuu: gives me authentification failed | 13:29 |
| michiel_l | no, your help is much appreciated | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | michiel_l: if you bought the device like that, i'd email care@j.c | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | as there are no images out there (jolla can't distribute them) | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i'm making a backup of mine just in case i break it :) | 13:30 |
| michiel_l | ggabriel: it was shipped by Jolla staff to me as a gift. | 13:30 |
| Pnuu | krnlyng: and phone is updated to .12? | 13:30 |
| krnlyng | Pnuu: yep | 13:30 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 13:30 |
| phaeron | krnlyng: is it a jolla device ? | 13:30 |
| phaeron | michiel_l: I'd still email care | 13:31 |
| krnlyng | phaeron: nope nokia n9 | 13:31 |
| phaeron | there's your problem | 13:31 |
| michiel_l | Okay, will do so. | 13:31 |
| michiel_l | thanks ggabriel, all | 13:31 |
| krnlyng | i don't think the package contains any proprietary code, so i figured i'll ask here | 13:31 |
| krnlyng | phaeron: i am ordering as soon as my money is on paypal ;) | 13:31 |
| michiel_l | krnlyng: it is a beautiful device, definitely recommended | 13:32 |
| phaeron | krnlyng: merry xmas :) | 13:33 |
| krnlyng | thanks :) | 13:33 |
| krnlyng | you too | 13:33 |
| * phaeron goes to play FTL | 13:33 | |
| krnlyng | so nobody wants to send me the package :'(? | 13:34 |
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| matoking | I read on together.jolla.com that there's a new version of the Android compatibility layer in testing | 13:52 |
| matoking | Is there a changelog for the update? | 13:52 |
| matoking | Just curious :P | 13:52 |
| Venemo | krnlyng: what package? | 13:52 |
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| spider-mario | <Venemo> what's the optimal way to keep a good battery life? should I mercilessly squeeze the battery empty? | 13:54 |
| spider-mario | quite the opposite | 13:54 |
| spider-mario | avoid that | 13:54 |
| spider-mario | (see http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_charge_when_to_charge_table ) | 13:56 |
| spider-mario | Lithium-ion → Deep discharge wears the battery down | 13:56 |
| Venemo | spider-mario: yes, that's what I've known too | 14:03 |
| Venemo | spider-mario: however I've had some devices with li-ion batteries where discharging them mercilessly at least once helped | 14:04 |
| spider-mario | oh. | 14:04 |
| spider-mario | was something like 5% not discharged enough? | 14:04 |
| spider-mario | did it have to go all the way down to 0%? | 14:04 |
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| krnlyng | Venemo: libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel | 14:06 |
| krnlyng | Venemo: zypper fails to download it for some reason | 14:07 |
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| ccha4 | I don't find zypper command | 14:08 |
| ccha4 | where do you get zypper command ? | 14:08 |
| krnlyng | Venemo: pkcon --only-download install libhybris-sbj-libhardware-devel | 14:09 |
| Venemo | ccha4: pkcon is used in the jolla instead of zypper | 14:11 |
| Venemo | krnlyng: ah, you want the package from the jolla? | 14:11 |
| krnlyng | Venemo: yeah, would be cool | 14:11 |
| Venemo | :) | 14:12 |
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| eyea | happy xmas to all | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | michiel_l: you should probably ask your jolla contact to send a new one or find a way to get it flashed to a production release | 14:17 |
| michiel_l | Stskeeps: thanks. I've followed the advice of phaeron and send an email to care. | 14:20 |
| michiel_l | Y'all have a great X-mas! | 14:20 |
| michiel_l | Family arriving here, so going AFK. | 14:20 |
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| krnlyng | Stskeeps: another question you might know an answer too :), would it be possible to use libhybris libcamera to support camera on n9 using the android drivers? | 14:35 |
| krnlyng | with the rest being directly supported? | 14:36 |
| krnlyng | as it is now? | 14:36 |
| Nicd- | Venemo, spider-mario: a li-ion using device won't let you deep discharge the battery, it will shut down first, so there's no harm if you charge it afterwards (just don't leave it into storage empty). sometimes using them as much as the device allows helps calibrate the device's battery meter (this is recommended to be done from time to time on macbooks for example) | 14:39 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: is this the case for the jolla? | 14:41 |
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| shash | merry christmas everyone | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: not allowing to be deep discharged? I would assume so | 14:42 |
| spider-mario | Nicd- : when you say that it will shut down first: is it a hardware feature, or is it the OS that detects it should do so? | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | otherwise batteries would be regularly ruined | 14:43 |
| shash | i wanted to order a jolla phone from the store but something isn't clear | 14:43 |
| shash | how do you ship the device? | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | spider-mario: don't know, maybe a combination | 14:43 |
| spider-mario | then, isn’t there a risk that the battery is emptied before the shutdown is complete? | 14:43 |
| shash | i mean by regular mail or some shipping company (DHL, EMS and there likes) | 14:43 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: sure, I'm saying, does it help the battery meter? | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | spider-mario: there's at least this: Deep discharge may short-circuit the cell, in which case recharging would be unsafe.[citation needed] To reduce these risks, lithium-ion battery packs contain fail-safe circuitry that shuts down the battery when its voltage is outside the safe range of 3–4.2 V per cell. | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: I don't know about jolla. you can calibrate a macbook battery meter by completely using up the battery from full charge, then charging it back to full | 14:45 |
| Venemo | Nicd-: okay | 14:46 |
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| tbr | shash: I think currently devices were being shipped by FedEx | 14:49 |
| shash | ok good | 14:49 |
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| Venemo | shash: everyone I've heard of got it via fedex | 14:50 |
| shash | coz the site wasn't clear about the sipping and i wouldnlt want to ship the device in regular mail | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | shash: unless you are in finland, it appears that the courier is fedex | 14:50 |
| shash | tbr Venemo ggabriel thanks for the quick answers | 14:51 |
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| Venemo | Nicd-: is this a feature in the OS, or of the battery? | 14:53 |
| HtheB | guys, I need help with something 'android' related | 14:53 |
| HtheB | what exactly is the limit of android? | 14:53 |
| HtheB | can an app write to /data/sdcard ? | 14:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | As I understand it there is an issue with the runtime environment not following symlinks | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | So, no | 14:54 |
| HtheB | hmm | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | This however is second hand possibly misremembered info | 14:54 |
| HtheB | I tried to run some games | 14:55 |
| HtheB | but gives me errors | 14:55 |
| HtheB | as in: can't get access to sdcard | 14:55 |
| Venemo | report k | 14:55 |
| Venemo | report it as a bug | 14:55 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: in the OS I think | 14:56 |
| Venemo | on http://together.jolla.com | 14:56 |
| Nicd- | Venemo: but I can't be sure | 14:56 |
| HtheB | Venemo: It's DosBox related | 14:56 |
| HtheB | I try to run some Dos games | 14:56 |
| HtheB | but I can't get a game to work (Command and Conquer) | 14:56 |
| HtheB | dos4gw gives errors | 14:57 |
| HtheB | hang on, let me write you the error | 14:57 |
| Venemo | I have no clue about this at all | 14:58 |
| Venemo | but you should report it on together.jolla.com and I bet there'll be someone who can help | 14:58 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: are you there? | 14:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | in text input, I have trouble placing the cursor, when I don't want to select text, but just move the cursor to another position e.g. for correcting a typo. the font is just too small for hitting the exact spot with a finger. That zoom action perfectly solves this problem, but how can I zoom in without selecting text? | 15:02 |
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| spider-mario | bennypr0fane : my impression is that it will zoom in without selecting when you press where the cursor currently is then move quickly enough (no need to rush but don’t leave your finger on the cursor for too long before triggering the zoom) | 15:44 |
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| Venemo | hm, together.jolla.com is really slow now | 16:19 |
| Venemo | and just for the record: in my book, a severe usability defect counts as a bug. feel free to redress it and retag as feature request but it's still a big nasty bug | 16:20 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: works ok here | 16:22 |
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| AJAX555 | after 5h 67% of battery remaining | 16:22 |
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| AJAX555 | gotta say disabling that daemon certainly helped | 16:22 |
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| krnlyng | vgrade: would it be possible to use libhybris on our current sailfish setup to support the camera? | 16:26 |
| krnlyng | on n9 | 16:28 |
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| M4rtinK | well, unless there is an Android driver for the N9 camera | 16:36 |
| M4rtinK | I would say pretty unlikely | 16:36 |
| krnlyng | i think there is? | 16:36 |
| krnlyng | or not? | 16:36 |
| krnlyng | don't know about nitdroids state | 16:37 |
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| eyea | Jolla jolla joh | 16:37 |
| thessy | how can i configure rss feeds in 'tidings' app? | 16:38 |
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| kontio | thessy: if you swipe from left to right, you get to the settings | 16:39 |
| kontio | took me also a moment to find it... | 16:39 |
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| kontio | eh sorry | 16:39 |
| kontio | right -> left | 16:39 |
| thessy | oh yes, thanx | 16:40 |
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| thessy | didnt try that gesture ;-) | 16:40 |
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| spider-mario | I find it a little strange that no badge is awarded for posting a question but that there’s one for edits | 16:42 |
| spider-mario | (on together.jolla.com) | 16:42 |
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| HtheB | guys, the problem that I have is this: | 16:43 |
| HtheB | http://htheb.com/list/images/dosbox.jpg | 16:43 |
| HtheB | hope someone can help me | 16:43 |
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| zutto | HtheB: as those errors tell you, dosbox is unable to create swap file | 16:53 |
| zutto | check how you mounted your drives | 16:53 |
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| parasemic | hmm, the facebook contact import seems a bit dodgy. most of my contacts work, but other just don't | 16:56 |
| parasemic | no idea why | 16:56 |
| parasemic | others* | 16:56 |
| parasemic | while trying to send a message from their profile, most work just fine but some start a new message with "undefined" instead of Facebook | 16:58 |
| parasemic | and then i can't send any messages to some people but i receive them allright | 16:59 |
| HtheB | zutto: it's just | 17:00 |
| HtheB | mount c /data/sdcard | 17:00 |
| HtheB | (thats why I could see the files and games) | 17:01 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: is there enough permissions (write access)? | 17:02 |
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| zutto | try adding another mount, mount d /path/to/something -t cdrom | 17:02 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: I dont know about write permission in 'android on sailfish' | 17:03 |
| HtheB | zutto: let me quickly try that | 17:03 |
| zutto | you also probably should make sure that dosbox runs in the group or is ran by same user as the one who owns the directory of the program you want to run on dosbox | 17:05 |
| zutto | (and then you could also try with chmod 777, just to make sure that the reason isnt that dosbox doesnt have rights for actually creating the swap file) | 17:06 |
| HtheB | any idea which dir I have to chmod? | 17:06 |
| HtheB | first method didnt work btw | 17:07 |
| zutto | the applications directory you're trying to run | 17:07 |
| HtheB | ok lets see | 17:07 |
| HtheB | I'll just do a | 17:07 |
| HtheB | chmod 777 /data/sdcard/* | 17:07 |
| zutto | Dont do that | 17:07 |
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| Venemo | meh | 17:07 |
| Venemo | ran out of votes on together.jolla.com | 17:08 |
| Pnuu | hmm, wasn't there a problem with android apps not following symlinks? | 17:08 |
| parasemic | HtheB: how did you remove XT9? :p | 17:08 |
| HtheB | pkcon remove jolla-xt9 | 17:08 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: cant we fix this by some command or something? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | why would you remove that.. | 17:08 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: don't know, but Stskeeps here certainly knows ;-) | 17:09 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: because I hate the dictionary, and also because DosBox doesnt recognize the keys | 17:09 |
| HtheB | untill you remove the dictionary | 17:09 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: check your PM | 17:10 |
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| HtheB | I gave you a link with DosBox to show you that the keyboard doesnt work | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | smells like a bug | 17:21 |
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| HtheB | it does capture the 'numbers' | 17:22 |
| HtheB | because it's not detected by the xt9 | 17:22 |
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| msknight | Hi FOlks, If I have an apk file, where should I put it on the Jolla and how do I install it please? | 17:29 |
| HtheB | msknight: told you already, doesnt matter! | 17:29 |
| HtheB | just open it with any file manager | 17:30 |
| msknight | OK - so a suggestion for a file manager? Via the yandex store? | 17:30 |
| HtheB | no, Jolla store! | 17:30 |
| Andy80 | does "Automatic update of date/time" work for you? I just realized my clock was behind of some hours :/ I've enabled auto sync now but it's still 14:05 (and here is 18:30) | 17:30 |
| HtheB | Andy80: coutry settings? | 17:31 |
| HtheB | country* | 17:31 |
| msknight | I've just got enough power to fire up my wi-fi, so I can SFTP files to the Jolla again. | 17:31 |
| HtheB | Andy80: and also, does your provider supports change date/time? | 17:31 |
| Andy80 | HtheB: my original setup is UK, now I'm in Italy... even if it was a wrong country setting, the difference should be 1 hour, not 4,5 hours :P | 17:31 |
| HtheB | true true | 17:31 |
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| HtheB | just double checking ;P | 17:32 |
| Andy80 | HtheB: uhm... wait... no SIM inside at the moment.. isn't it supposed to read the time from an Internet timeserver? | 17:32 |
| HtheB | afaik, it checks the NETWORK time | 17:32 |
| HtheB | Operator | 17:32 |
| Pnuu | yeah, operator time | 17:32 |
| Andy80 | my fault then, sorry :) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Where_do_I_put_.apk_files | 17:33 |
| FireFly | msknight: if you download an apk via jolla's web browser you can install it from the "transfers" view, or if you have it elsewhere you can use 'apkd-install' in the terminal | 17:34 |
| Andy80 | another little question... I remember to have read somewhere that by default the volume of Android apps is a bit low and that there is an app to increase the volume... do you remember the name of this app? | 17:34 |
| FireFly | Oh. | 17:34 |
| * FireFly noticed that's basically exactly what the elinux article said | 17:34 | |
| hardcodes | HtheB What is meant by network time? The phone network operator? In Germany they tend to not send the time! | 17:35 |
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| HtheB | hardcodes: yes, then it wont work for you :P | 17:35 |
| msknight | Well, either this installs apps damn fast, or I'm doing something wrong. | 17:36 |
| HtheB | it doesnt work here on T-Mobile network, but it DOES work on Vodafone | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | hardcodes: it may mean NTP too, but i'm not sure if the public images has that | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: check app grid | 17:36 |
| HtheB | (Only if you're going online) | 17:36 |
| msknight | [nemo@localhost apk]$ apkd-install OpenScapeMobile_com.sen.osmo.apk | 17:36 |
| msknight | method return sender=:1.16 -> dest=:1.89 reply_serial=2 | 17:36 |
| msknight | boolean true | 17:36 |
| msknight | Wow. That's darn fast!!!! | 17:36 |
| HtheB | msknight: yes, it installs in like 1-2 secs :D | 17:36 |
| hardcodes | Stskeeps: I will look into it | 17:37 |
| msknight | I'm moments away from hooking Jolla up to my cloud telephony system! | 17:37 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: a popup showing a message: do you want to install XXX? yes/no would be handy tough | 17:37 |
| HtheB | once you've clicked on an apk or rpm file | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | HtheB: together.jolla.com sounds like a good place to register that. ; similarly to https://together.jolla.com/question/982/display-and-edit-android-apk-rights-when-installing-from-transfers/ perhaps | 17:39 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: Voted! :) | 17:39 |
| msknight | Hmm... how to handle wigets. | 17:40 |
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| msknight | Cool. I'm getting there, but I'm having problems ... just minor stuff that isn't Jolla's fault. | 17:45 |
| msknight | Can't sign in to YouTube, and also I don't know how or what to do to add a widget, or where. | 17:46 |
| msknight | St John ambulance app operates superbly. It is great to have that one, as I rely on it for reassurance if I have to attend an accident. | 17:46 |
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| HtheB | :) | 17:50 |
| msknight | OK - how do I sign in to YouTube, as it isn't letting me. Selecting sign in just results in a brief flash of the app, and then nothing. | 17:51 |
| FireFly | Is this the android youtube app? | 17:52 |
| msknight | yes | 17:52 |
| FireFly | Hm, I get that too. Other choices work, though | 17:53 |
| FireFly | in the same menu | 17:53 |
| FireFly | Dunno, I've only used it not-signed-in :p | 17:53 |
| msknight | I do a chunk of contributing and I use the mobile to upload. | 17:53 |
| msknight | still, it isn't a biggy for now. | 17:53 |
| msknight | How do I deal with creating a widget? | 17:54 |
| Pnuu | msknight: c++ and qml :-) | 17:55 |
| Pnuu | I've started from https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/ | 17:55 |
| msknight | c++ and qml! Well, that's me stuffed :-) | 17:55 |
| Pnuu | dev talk is mostly on #sailfishos | 17:56 |
| FireFly | What sort of widget? | 17:56 |
| msknight | Work keeps me too busy. I've got today and tomorrow, then I'm back on the job. Off for New year, then January contains loads of evening and weekend work, and then I'm on standby for most of February. | 17:56 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | probably you have to install google apps, services or something like that if you want sign nin youtube | 17:56 |
| msknight | It is a desktop widget for OpenScape .. the system that we use to control our cloud telephony system. | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: you might pull it off if you install a launcher in android | 17:57 |
| msknight | Um ... ok ... how do I do that! | 17:57 |
| msknight | Sorry to be a noob. If it was 6502 assembler I'd know where I was :-) | 17:58 |
| FireFly | :D | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: how many registers do i have available to explain? ;) | 17:59 |
| msknight | I'm just trying to get the Jolla to where it can support me in my day to day ... and then report back with usability issues. | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: search one of the markets for launcher | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | android ones, that is | 17:59 |
| msknight | Stskeeps: depends on your architecture ... try BBC Micro model B :-) | 17:59 |
| msknight | I have three, and one with the 6502 co-pro, so I can play the executive version of Elite :-D | 18:00 |
| msknight | Someone sold a cheese wedge with an Arm V1 unit in it ... it went for thousands. | 18:02 |
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| msknight | Useless to me, of course. I never had a co-pro when I was a teen, so I never did tube programming. | 18:03 |
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| marcj | is there som general problem with jolla store? or is it just my phone that doesn't work? | 18:05 |
| msknight | What's the problem marcj | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | marcj: have you at any point toyed with developer mode and 'developer updates' login/password there? | 18:05 |
| ShadowJK | msknight: so are you working om elite port for jolla? :) | 18:06 |
| msknight | ShadowJK: Nope, I'm currently just working on ... working for a living :-) | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | aw | 18:06 |
| marcj | i toyed with most options ncluding developer bit i don't i've manager to active it | 18:07 |
| msknight | ShadowJK: I'm still waiting for the latest elite version to come out first. It has been promised for a while now, and I have the anniversary wallpapers | 18:07 |
| AJAX555 | elite port? | 18:07 |
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| msknight | AJAX555: I have the distinction of being the more mature side of 40, so I grew up in the 8 bit era. Elite was a game ahead of its time. | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | well, fe2 and ffe are available as SDL port/hack, and pioneer is opengl i think | 18:08 |
| AJAX555 | ah | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | marcj: okay, that may be why you've have store problems, do you have a terminal installed? | 18:08 |
| marcj | it just says "problem with store" | 18:08 |
| marcj | yes i got terminal | 18:08 |
| msknight | marcj: Can you access other internet resources OK? | 18:08 |
| marcj | yes | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | marcj: in there, type in: ssu domain sales | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | and then power off the phone | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | and turn it back on again | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | try store then | 18:09 |
| msknight | This is the BBC Micro - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro | 18:10 |
| marcj | OK it gave me changing domain from jolla to såldes | 18:10 |
| marcj | sales that is | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | good | 18:13 |
| marcj | rebooted, but i still got the same problem | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | marcj: ssu lr in terminal | 18:14 |
| marcj | correction, i managed to in stall a new app but not to do a system update | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | that probably takes a little more time | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | do a pkcon refresh from terminal | 18:16 |
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| marcj | authentication failed, is SSU set up correctly? | 18:18 |
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| msknight | Hmm... interesting. Searching the store for launcher simply returns all the Jolla basic apps. | 18:24 |
| Pnuu | marcj: 20:14 < Stskeeps> marcj: ssu lr in terminal | 18:26 |
| msknight | ...and sygic dies on searching for GPS | 18:27 |
| marcj | ssu lr gives a list of repos, too long to copy | 18:28 |
| marcj | i'm chatting from different de vice | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | msknight: no, in a android store :) like yandex | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | or others | 18:32 |
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| msknight | OK - anything you recommend? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, see what you can find i guess | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | i don't need widgets myself, so | 18:34 |
| msknight | OK - I'll take pot luck! | 18:34 |
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| msknight | Wow, we're around 200 volts around here. Getting back to normal. | 18:37 |
| msknight | I can actually start my sound system - Woohoo! | 18:37 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps: any idea how we can make symlinks work? | 18:41 |
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| tbr | Venemo: apparently I was wrong and this supports the MfE active sync protocol somehow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarafa_%28software%29 | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | oh nice | 19:00 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: got an answer to my question? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 19:04 |
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| msknight | HtheB: How do I get hold of apk files please? I'm after Go Launcher Ex but it doesn't want to download via Yandex (sigh) | 19:06 |
| HtheB | you need go launcher? | 19:07 |
| msknight | Yup. | 19:07 |
| Yaniel | heh the term 'Power Consumption Other Half' has apparently been coined on together.jolla.com | 19:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Other Half Standby Hurting Idle Time. | 19:13 |
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| msknight | Another noob question ... how do I elevate privs to root in ssh please? Don't know the su password and nemo doesn't appear to be sudo'd | 19:15 |
| stephg | devel-su | 19:16 |
| stephg | and the password is in system>developer tools | 19:16 |
| Pnuu | and the password is what you've set in the settings | 19:16 |
| msknight | Thanks :-) | 19:16 |
| stephg | ^that | 19:16 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: PC-TOH | 19:17 |
| Venemo | tbr: nice | 19:17 |
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| msknight | Right - time to watch Dr Who. Back in a short while. | 19:18 |
| msknight | Thanks to all for the help. Much appreciated. | 19:18 |
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| * stephg finds ag-tool, and that it's awesome, but also cryptic :/ | 19:22 | |
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| jusics | is there a way to set a (periodical) timer to wake the system up from power saving mode/suspend? on the low userspace level, it seems that /dev/alarm should do the trick, but dmse/iphb holds access to it. | 19:51 |
| tbr | jusics: tried timed yet? | 19:52 |
| tbr | and yes in the long run iphb should be the way to go | 19:52 |
| jusics | i've looked at com.nokia.time dbus service, but did not yet figure out how to use it :) | 19:53 |
| jusics | ok. i'm trying to improve measurement interval for battery consumption. without a wakeup timer, app processes run once in every ~25s | 19:55 |
| jusics | while in standby | 19:55 |
| jusics | thanks for the pointer, i'll try the timed. from what I understand, at least it should give 1-3 secs delays at best which is already an improvement | 19:57 |
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| Venemo | guys | 20:08 |
| Venemo | whoever came up with the idea of the together.jolla.com site - I want to invite him for a beer! | 20:08 |
| stephg | heh | 20:08 |
| Quu | mmm beeer | 20:09 |
| Pnuu | Quu: +1 | 20:11 |
| Venemo | or maybe even something more serious than just beer | 20:13 |
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| stephg | more beer! | 20:15 |
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| Venemo | :D | 20:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | drugs | 20:20 |
| Venemo | together is the best idea jolla has ever invented so far - the second best are ambience + pulley menu | 20:20 |
| Quu | i kinda dislike the ambience | 20:21 |
| Quu | would be nice to be able to change wallpaper and colours | 20:21 |
| Quu | now its just too random and you cant have good colours on nice wallpaper | 20:21 |
| Quu | its always pink or something shit. | 20:21 |
| Venemo | while I agree that more customization might be better, I disagree about shit - my colors are perfect | 20:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | and my device in box at friends house kilometers away :P | 20:23 |
| Quu | well, i get randomly orange/white/brown on same picture, just rezised diffrently | 20:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Quu: what you mean randomly? | 20:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | when you switch to other and than switch back? | 20:25 |
| Quu | no | 20:25 |
| Quu | same picture, resized 3 pixels apart | 20:25 |
| Quu | get diffrent colours on 4 of "same" picture | 20:25 |
| Venemo | what I kind of like is that algorithm is smart enough to pick colours that are readable in front of the background | 20:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | so jolla together is new registration? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: jolla.com logins | 20:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah but it asks for email and nickname again | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | probably just stuff it can't get over oauth | 20:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: ping | 20:31 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: pong | 20:31 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Aard: i was checking jolla togher and somehow found myself stalking you | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | probably i'm in love | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i saw your answer about SIP integraton | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | integration* | 20:33 |
| Chaz6 | Speaking of voip, any interest in TRIP? | 20:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | TRIP? | 20:33 |
| Chaz6 | telephony routing over ip | 20:33 |
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| Chaz6 | see also isn, itad | 20:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | Chaz6: mind to link? | 20:34 |
| Chaz6 | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3219.txt | 20:35 |
| Chaz6 | registry is here http://www.iana.org/assignments/trip-parameters/trip-parameters.xhtml | 20:35 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: and? :) | 20:36 |
| Chaz6 | also see http://freenum.org/cookbook/ | 20:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: so first of all i wnated to know what exacly is missing in accounts and is telephapy rakia is sip stack? | 20:36 |
| Aard | telepathy-rakia are the sip bits for telepathy. we need the glue that allows you to set up an account and handle presence like for xmpp | 20:37 |
| Aard | and we need to make the dialer read those account info | 20:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | but dialer to initiate dial right? | 20:38 |
| HtheB | who wants to have some awesome launcher? :) | 20:38 |
| Venemo | I dumped every bug and annoying detail I found to the together site | 20:38 |
| Venemo | almost 8% of all threads there are mine :D | 20:38 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: yes. plus there might be some sound policy issues left. we made a successful call over a year ago, but sound policy changed a bit since then | 20:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: who is responsible for SIP protool — rakia? | 20:39 |
| Aard | ? | 20:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | sip protocol | 20:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | * | 20:40 |
| Aard | tp-rakia uses sofia-sip | 20:40 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: answering here instead of twitter: do not worry, BB10 version or IRC Chatter is also coming, together with the sailfish version | 20:41 |
| Aard | so basically the glue between telepathy and sofia-sip | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: oh it's used by freeswitch | 20:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | asterisk switched to pjsip | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i worked a little bit with pjsip myself | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i hope you are not ver excited with jolla so you would postpone it :P | 20:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: ad dialer has api for tp ? | 20:43 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: currently the dialer is going through tp-ring | 20:43 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: most of the code for the two platforms are going to be th same. the only difference is that for the SailFish version I'm gonna write a Silica UI | 20:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean if for example i want to integrate other method/lib would i need to go thru tp to get to dialer? | 20:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i an test/ translate both as always | 20:44 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: yes | 20:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 20:44 |
| Aard | it's easier to use a maintained upstream project than doing interfaces for each protocol we want to support ourselves | 20:45 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: thank you :) | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | so it's or reinventing the wheel by making something like tp-rakia to lib/integration i want or to use specific lib | 20:45 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: it's probably going to get into a testable shape by the weekend | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: at least i hope it's up2date | 20:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: what about webrtc? | 20:45 |
| Aard | ZogG_laptop: no idea | 20:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | Aard: http://hookflash.com/platform/open-peer-sdk/ | 20:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i see ios and bb10 using this | 20:48 |
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| msknight | Hi HtheB - many thanks for the launcher | 20:51 |
| HtheB | ;D | 20:51 |
| HtheB | did you just download it? | 20:51 |
| HtheB | beacuse it's JUST uploaded | 20:51 |
| HtheB | eheh | 20:51 |
| msknight | Yes, and installed it, and tried to get a widget to work. Unfortunately, "unsuported action" | 20:51 |
| msknight | Also YOuTube gave the same problem on trying to log in. | 20:52 |
| msknight | *sigh* Don't know where to go next. | 20:52 |
| HtheB | im logged in | 20:52 |
| HtheB | on youtube | 20:52 |
| msknight | How! | 20:52 |
| msknight | Tell! Tell! ... pleeeeease! | 20:52 |
| HtheB | and also, enable the '3d' on the preferences | 20:52 |
| HtheB | you will be amazer | 20:52 |
| HtheB | amazed | 20:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | what launcher? | 20:53 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: Next launcher 3D | 20:54 |
| HtheB | (android) | 20:54 |
| msknight | YouTube is still not ... hang on .. I'll reboot the phone. | 20:54 |
| HtheB | you need to put playstore on it | 20:54 |
| HtheB | to make it work | 20:54 |
| msknight | Oh! I've been trying to avoid that. | 20:55 |
| HtheB | i dont know if t has something to do with | 20:55 |
| HtheB | because it just worked by my side... | 20:55 |
| HtheB | funny, I DONT wnat to log in on youtube | 20:55 |
| HtheB | haha | 20:55 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: check pm | 20:55 |
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| msknight | Nope - reboot didn't work. Will install app store. Hope I don't brick the phone. I'm a long way from Finland | 20:57 |
| Aard | msknight: what did you break? :) | 20:57 |
| HtheB | check out on my website | 20:58 |
| HtheB | for the tutorial and the needed files | 20:58 |
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| * Stskeeps puts eglibc on fire | 20:59 | |
| * Quu farts | 20:59 | |
| * stephg gets a beer | 21:00 | |
| * msknight is tickled pink that init 6 works on a mobile phone! | 21:02 | |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | :P | 21:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 21:03 |
| tbr | msknight: which just loops into some sort of systemd compat mode, but yeah ;) | 21:03 |
| msknight | Damn it - it worked! Had to remove and re-install it via the play store, but it worked! | 21:10 |
| msknight | OK - now for a GPS navigation system. Now that I've got Play installed, any suggestions? Already trying sygic but it doesn't want to play. | 21:11 |
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| Quu | you need to manually copy the mapfiles | 21:12 |
| Quu | then it works | 21:12 |
| Quu | so erh, kinda need to pirate the maps for it | 21:12 |
| msknight | I had the map files, but it would go to start the gps and then die. | 21:12 |
| Quu | hmm | 21:12 |
| Quu | works for me | 21:12 |
| Quu | also, need to give read/write to those files | 21:13 |
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| ibins | Stskeeps: You discussed and compared glibc, uclibc and eglibc when building sailfishOS? Or was is inevitable to use the one you use now? | 21:19 |
| msknight | I take it that the "Here" maps only does turn by turn and doesn't do GPS? | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | ibins: long story short: we try to align as well as we can with linaro toolchain | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | ibins: it makes sure that most compiler/toolchain related bugs are similar | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | that means linaro gcc, and eglibc | 21:29 |
| ibins | Stskeeps: Hm, sounds like "Eat or die" ;-) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | we don't really employ a team full of compiler/toolchain experts :) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | so this is our way of going cheap | 21:31 |
| ibins | Be grateful for that. They are .... difficult :-) | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | (we do have -some- people that know what they're doing..) | 21:33 |
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| ibins | no doubts about that. You proved it with a working device! Congrats and my ful respects again! | 21:36 |
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| Pnuu | msknight: there's gps support, but no navigation at the moment on jolla | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | well, there's routes | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | hm, as for all-family communal speaker system, ipad sounds pretty much unbeatable | 21:47 |
| * ShadowJK sort of missed that... | 21:47 | |
| msknight | OK - got google navigation working. Now all I need is to get a widget for OpenScape working on a launcher. SO far all launchers give "unsupported action" when trying to add the widget | 21:48 |
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| ortylp | msknight: "Here" maps do absolutely NOTHING except showing you current GPS position on a map (which gets downloaded over data connection if you have one) and allows some POI search | 21:50 |
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| HtheB | msknight: sygic works fine .... :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: well, that's not entirely true.. | 21:55 |
| pdanek | No news of keyboard-half yet? | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's directions too | 21:55 |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: anything that would work as car navigation? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: i successfully got to the warehouse with it, but, it won't work as a car moutn for sure | 21:57 |
| AJAX555 | yeah keyboard other half would be awesome | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | just had directions | 21:57 |
| ortylp | HtheB: sygic must not get ANY support from Maemo community because of the N900 fiasco. | 21:58 |
| HtheB | I dont care | 21:58 |
| HtheB | give me a better alternative then :) | 21:58 |
| HtheB | (ok, TomTom) | 21:58 |
| HtheB | what else | 21:58 |
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| ortylp | HtheB: we had this discussion already (Skobbler, OSMAND) | 21:59 |
| HtheB | we? no... | 21:59 |
| ortylp | HtheB: yes, we :D | 22:00 |
| HtheB | never heard of those before :/ | 22:00 |
| HtheB | you didn't do this conv. with me then | 22:00 |
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| ortylp | HtheB: yep, sorry, you are right. | 22:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this OSMAND, is this a OSM based thing? | 22:05 |
| HtheB | I guess so :P | 22:05 |
| HtheB | ortylp: sygic is still the most polished | 22:05 |
| HtheB | next to tomtom | 22:05 |
| pcfe | Now this "[pcfe@desktop Jolla]$ git clone nemo@jolla:.vault vault" is the slickest thing I have done with a phone in a long while. Thanks Jolla, you rock! | 22:06 |
| ortylp | HtheB: Both use commercial map providers | 22:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is together slow or is it just me? | 22:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or even down? | 22:06 |
| Aard | pcfe: note that pictures are not part of the git repo | 22:06 |
| Pnuu | AL13N_lizzy: up and running | 22:07 |
| pcfe | Aard: thanks for the heads up, but if they were I would have tried to gitignore them on the Jolla side | 22:07 |
| Aard | :) | 22:07 |
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| Pnuu | -> Z | 22:08 |
| AJAX555 | has anyone reported on how the phone doesn't always link with computer when connected with usb? | 22:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, i got in, odd DNS issue maybe | 22:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, 100 karma from just one post | 22:09 |
| pcfe | AJAX555: https://together.jolla.com/question/709/bug-usb-pc-connection-on-mint/ maybe? | 22:11 |
| AJAX555 | pcfe: not really, just sometimes doesn't show up at all in "my computer" | 22:12 |
| AJAX555 | sometimes need to re-plugin it | 22:12 |
| pcfe | AJAX555: "my computer" on Windows, OS X, Ubuntu, Fedora, ... ? | 22:12 |
| AJAX555 | w7 | 22:13 |
| pcfe | I'd open a separate question at together.j.c then, having 'Windows' in the title | 22:14 |
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| pcfe | if you are comfortable pulling logs on w7, that probably helps (I for one have no idea about Win, I'm a Linux person) | 22:14 |
| AJAX555 | I prefer linux too, but sadly world prefers windows | 22:15 |
| AJAX555 | well, wont write about it now, since it's 00.15 now | 22:15 |
| AJAX555 | also I think I'm going to test with multiple computers before doing anything.. this computer is rather old anyway | 22:16 |
| pcfe | that was not the question ;-) are you comfortable extracting a log file from your win7 that startes just before you plug your jolla in and ends a short while after you are convinced it will not show up? | 22:16 |
| AJAX555 | or well, laptop | 22:16 |
| HtheB | ortylp: so? | 22:16 |
| AJAX555 | mm, I will have to see if I can find those logs somewhere | 22:17 |
| ortylp | HtheB: if it does not matter for you, then really nothing. | 22:18 |
| HtheB | ok :P | 22:18 |
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| pcfe | Aard: to be precise, /home/nemo/Pictures/Camera is excluded, but the rest that I had in /home/nemo/Pictures is there | 22:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyone else thinking that pinning covers can be a great idea: https://together.jolla.com/question/1044/pinning-coversapps/ ? | 22:47 |
| Venemo | no, that'd be quite inconsistent | 22:48 |
| Quu | yes. | 22:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i also noted my views on TOH management (in relation to security) https://together.jolla.com/question/1050/link-allprevious-changes-to-toh/ & https://together.jolla.com/question/1061/keychain-linked-to-toh/ | 22:48 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | the together thing looks great, but i sense alot of "unanswered" posts where it becomes unfindable and difficult wrt duplicates... perhaps a mix of latest and upvoted things should be shown by default on the unanswered link? | 22:50 |
| Morpog_PC | copying ~8,6GB to my SDCard inside my Jolla via SSH via USB | 22:55 |
| Morpog_PC | about 5.000 KiB/s | 22:55 |
| Morpog_PC | could be faster | 22:56 |
| petantik | what class sd card Morpog_PC ? | 22:58 |
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| Morpog_PC | petantik, UHS-I | 22:58 |
| petantik | Morpog_PC: should be able to get about double that maximally | 22:59 |
| Morpog_PC | card description days 80MB/s read and 50MB/s write | 22:59 |
| Morpog_PC | says | 22:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | usb bandwidth cannot get that high | 23:00 |
| Chaz6 | All lies | 23:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 480mbit USB-II | 23:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | theorethically 60MB/s | 23:00 |
| Morpog_PC | should be that one: http://geizhals.de/sandisk-extreme-microsdhc-32gb-sdsdqx-032g-u46a-a972986.html | 23:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you want write/read speed you're gonna need to test it locally | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, don't have a decent card reader here | 23:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or on device itself (like transfer from local chip to SD) | 23:06 |
| Kabouik | Guys, I have two problems with my SDXC (64 GB ext4): 1. it doesn't mount automatically; and 2. when I manually mount it, I don't know how to paste files to it through SFTP | 23:07 |
| Kabouik | What should I do? | 23:07 |
| petantik | if the sd card contains pics, does the gallery automatically pick it up? | 23:07 |
| Morpog_PC | kabouik, you can find the scdard there: | 23:07 |
| Kabouik | Oh yes, and 3. how to make the Jolla native apps get pics/videos/music from there? | 23:08 |
| Morpog_PC | "/run/user/100000/media/sdcard" | 23:08 |
| Kabouik | /run/user/100000/media/sdcard Morpog_PC, right? But nemo has no write privilege here | 23:08 |
| Morpog_PC | sure it has | 23:08 |
| Morpog_PC | i copy atm with nemo user files to it | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | Through sftp I get errors if I recall correctly | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | Let me try again | 23:09 |
| Morpog_PC | I do it via sftp | 23:09 |
| Morpog_PC | but it's automounted, as it's fat32 | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | And so it mounts automatically from /dev/mmcblk1p1 to /run/user/100000/media/sdcard at each boot? | 23:10 |
| Morpog_PC | dunno, it's just there after i put my card in :D | 23:10 |
| Kabouik | I had to format it to ext3 to use the 64 GB (exFAT does not support that size, and there is no mkfs vfat function in Jolla, and the Jolla is my only card reader so no choice) | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | chem|st: do you have a IRC log about the security talks here? | 23:11 |
| Morpog_PC | AL13N_lizzy, you can read the log | 23:12 |
| Morpog_PC | AL13N_lizzy, http://www.merproject.org/logs/ | 23:12 |
| Kabouik | (Got to go, my eggs are ready sorry, be right back after the meal!) | 23:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Morpog_PC: yes, but... do you have timestamps? | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC | nope | 23:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-( i missed it, (i saw this in together somewhere) | 23:13 |
| Morpog_PC | well, search for it, not much logs available for #jollamobile | 23:14 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: logs are somewhere on jollamobile or sailfishos | 23:50 |
| chem|st | how do I get disappeared ambiences back | 23:51 |
| nander | Who came up with the way the ambience works? It looks stunning ;) | 23:59 |
| chem|st | the preinstalled ambiences seem to be deleted from device | 23:59 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: did you uninstall the tutorial? | 23:59 |
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