| SpeedEvil | It's required for certain chat sites alas. | 00:00 |
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| HtheB | found it: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/installers/archive/android/11.1.115.81/install_flash_player_ics.apk | 00:01 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, anyone found out how to access the uSD card from Android apps ? | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | looks like they can't get to it due to permissions & don't follow symlinks | 00:03 |
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| HtheB | flash works!!! | 00:05 |
| HtheB | \:D/ | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | In firefox?" | 00:05 |
| Morpog_Jolla | sure why not | 00:05 |
| HtheB | yeah | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:05 |
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| HtheB | ShadowJK: just grab the latest apk file (link above) and it works with Firefox :) | 00:07 |
| HtheB | too bad Opera Classic doesn't work :( | 00:07 |
| HtheB | crashes when trying to run it | 00:07 |
| HtheB | IMO the Classic Opera (not mini!) has a better experience | 00:07 |
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| bennypr0fane | hey everyone, I was wondering if I can cut my old normal-sized SIM-card to micro size for use in the Jolla. If so, how do I make sure I don't ruin it? | 00:07 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: you can | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: yeah, would really like a working opera | 00:08 |
| HtheB | there are tutorials on youtube | 00:08 |
| bennypr0fane | HtheB have you tried both Opera Classic and Mini on Jolla? | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: mostly due to the fit-text-to-screen feature | 00:08 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: there is 1 working, the "Opera Mobile" (newest one) | 00:08 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: mini not, the 'default' one yes | 00:08 |
| HtheB | but Opera Classic is what I was aiming for | 00:09 |
| HtheB | (the one that is also available for N9 and N900 | 00:09 |
| HtheB | 11 or 12 | 00:09 |
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| HtheB | can we figure out what the problem might be? | 00:12 |
| bennypr0fane | HtheB Opera Mobile 12 (not classic afaik) on N900 used to be a bit unstable | 00:12 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: yeah | 00:12 |
| bennypr0fane | which is way some people rolled it back to 11 | 00:12 |
| HtheB | but I'm using the N950 a lot more for browsing | 00:12 |
| bennypr0fane | *why | 00:12 |
| bennypr0fane | is 12 better on Meego? | 00:12 |
| HtheB | yup | 00:12 |
| HtheB | 100% | 00:13 |
| bennypr0fane | cool | 00:13 |
| HtheB | only had 1 crash in my entire usage of over a year | 00:13 |
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| bennypr0fane | Opera is my favorite browser of all times anyways, it's simply the classiest, most polished one (so there's a good reason to call it classic) | 00:14 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: it's called like that in the Play Store:p | 00:14 |
| bennypr0fane | but I have shifted to camp Firefox | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, classic was before the webkit/blink trainwreck | 00:14 |
| nander | message beeps stop music and are a lot louder than music | 00:15 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: yes exactly | 00:15 |
| HtheB | I was hoping to see Snowshoe... | 00:15 |
| HtheB | but it seems that it;s gone now? | 00:15 |
| bennypr0fane | has anyone ever done the MicroSIM cutting thingy? if so, did you use a template? | 00:15 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: told you, youtube! | 00:15 |
| Turski | nander: yep, it's quite annoying | 00:15 |
| HtheB | it's very easy | 00:15 |
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| HtheB | or go to your nearest phone shop, most of them has a special cutter (like we do in our Vodafone shop) | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: BTW, any links for the new Opera ? | 00:16 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: Play Store | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | on opera.com, it just points to the Play store | 00:16 |
| bennypr0fane | installing Playstore is now more of a hack than a legitimate install on SfOS, right? | 00:16 |
| HtheB | how can I download the APK of an installed app? | 00:16 |
| HtheB | (over playstore) | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | well, don't want to install that one :) | 00:17 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: yeah, I understand it | 00:17 |
| Turski | bennypr0fane: you will probably get µSIM for free from your operator | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | well, I think there was a trick for downloading free apps to desktop | 00:17 |
| HtheB | ah | 00:17 |
| HtheB | yeah | 00:17 |
| HtheB | bluestacks | 00:17 |
| bennypr0fane | Turski that will be a wait of some days, so I'm considering now if I want to wait or cut | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | or maybe extracting the APK from a rooted Android device with Play store | 00:17 |
| bennypr0fane | I'll be leaving my hands off Playstore as well | 00:18 |
| Turski | bennypr0fane: i would use µSIM vutter if i wanted to cut it... | 00:18 |
| Turski | cutter* | 00:18 |
| bennypr0fane | Turski that some sort of special device? | 00:18 |
| Turski | bennypr0fane: but google is full of instructions to do that | 00:18 |
| bennypr0fane | yes, watching some on YT just now | 00:19 |
| Turski | http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SIM-Cutter-Converter-adapters/dp/B003UEWF8I | 00:19 |
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| HtheB | M4rtinK... | 00:19 |
| HtheB | downloading opera apk for you :) | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: thanks! :) | 00:22 |
| bennypr0fane | HtheB oooh, can you post it? | 00:23 |
| HtheB | np | 00:23 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: check your pm | 00:23 |
| HtheB | is hosting (non pirated) apps for jolla users illegal? | 00:25 |
| HtheB | i mean, the apk files | 00:25 |
| bennypr0fane | HtheB it's probably illegal for everyone else, but obviously not for Jolla users | 00:29 |
| HtheB | :D | 00:29 |
| bennypr0fane | probably better not to post alink publicly | 00:29 |
| bennypr0fane | but you could pm it to me :-D | 00:29 |
| ortylp | M4rtinK: I have heard, that you can mount sd card with -bind option for that, I have not tested it yet. | 00:33 |
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| bennypr0fane | Is Sygic navigation free? I saw Navfree recommended | 00:37 |
| HtheB | no its not | 00:37 |
| bennypr0fane | I have a hard time figuring out the Jolla store. I can't find a list of available apps or categories. I can only see what others liked or do a text search | 00:41 |
| Morpog_Jolla | swipe right | 00:41 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_Jolla, ah didn't spot the little white dot up there | 00:43 |
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| bennypr0fane | how awsome is it we already have an mpd remote and a Dropbox client! | 00:44 |
| Morpog_Jolla | :) | 00:45 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | harmattan and fremaantle devs rox | 00:45 |
| HtheB | sailfish devs not? | 00:45 |
| bennypr0fane | HtheB no, they suck | 00:46 |
| Morpog_Jolla | they are those | 00:46 |
| bennypr0fane | :-D | 00:46 |
| Frye_ | Nah. Ppl like me who are not even developers... | 00:46 |
| Frye_ | And claim to be one :D | 00:46 |
| Morpog_Jolla | that samegame is col | 00:46 |
| Morpog_Jolla | cool | 00:46 |
| Morpog_Jolla | just needs sounds | 00:47 |
| julien_ | hi everyone | 00:47 |
| Morpog_Jolla | hi | 00:47 |
| Frye_ | Yeah, nees sounds. | 00:47 |
| Frye_ | There is a fix release on QA atm | 00:47 |
| Morpog_Jolla | great | 00:47 |
| Frye_ | It currently eats cpu cycles when it's on background | 00:47 |
| bennypr0fane | but seriously, I didn't expect *these* apps to be her already, but I did expect a bunch more of them to be ported over at least from Meego by the time of release | 00:47 |
| Frye_ | The particle system does not shut down properly | 00:47 |
| julien_ | I come tonight because I have a bootloop with my jolla | 00:47 |
| julien_ | is there anyone for helping me out? | 00:48 |
| Frye_ | I'm not sure at this time. | 00:48 |
| bennypr0fane | julien_, give it a try | 00:48 |
| Frye_ | I cannot help for sure =( | 00:48 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | stskeeps | 00:48 |
| julien_ | bennypr0fane: great :) | 00:48 |
| julien_ | I know Stskeeps could | 00:49 |
| julien_ | but it is late | 00:49 |
| julien_ | I was in developer mode connected to my PC in MTP | 00:49 |
| Morpog_Jolla | it's never too lateto poke stskeeps | 00:49 |
| julien_ | and when unmounting connection from nautilus (ubuntu) | 00:49 |
| julien_ | nautilus crashed | 00:49 |
| julien_ | and jolla rebooted | 00:50 |
| julien_ | but it's again and again | 00:50 |
| julien_ | bootloop | 00:50 |
| julien_ | so I don't know what to do | 00:50 |
| Morpog_Jolla | battery was low? | 00:50 |
| julien_ | ~40% if I remember well | 00:50 |
| Morpog_Jolla | ok | 00:51 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | try tomorrow better again | 00:52 |
| julien_ | Yes but Christmas time is not the best time for it | 00:53 |
| Morpog_Jolla | sure | 00:53 |
| julien_ | I'm a bit disappointed | 00:53 |
| julien_ | I received it just today | 00:53 |
| Morpog_Jolla | argh | 00:53 |
| Morpog_Jolla | tried to remove battery? | 00:53 |
| bennypr0fane | I find the Jolla easily mistakes the onset of a horizontal gesture for a vertical one | 00:53 |
| bennypr0fane | julien_ try a wipe and re-setup? | 00:54 |
| bennypr0fane | surely you won't have a lot of importatnstuff on there yet... | 00:54 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | he cant boot | 00:54 |
| julien_ | it doesn't boot so can I do it? | 00:54 |
| bennypr0fane | oh, right. sorry | 00:54 |
| julien_ | I just find the fastboot mode | 00:54 |
| Morpog_Jolla | try battery | 00:54 |
| julien_ | it said ERROR: Invalid boot image header | 00:55 |
| bennypr0fane | yes, battery can sometimes jumpstart some devices | 00:55 |
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| julien_ | fullcharging my battery could solve it? I have a serious doubt | 00:56 |
| lbt | julien_: hmm | 00:57 |
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| lbt | julien_: that sounds tricky to fix. You need to talk to Stskeeps I think. | 01:00 |
| julien_ | I think so | 01:00 |
| bennypr0fane | do I need to enable dev mode to get a terminal? | 01:00 |
| lbt | julien_: can you make sure you send an email to care@jolla.com ... tell them what happened and tell them you've been told to talk to Stskeeps | 01:00 |
| HtheB | bennypr0fane: yes | 01:00 |
| julien_ | someone here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92119got the same problem and Stskeepssolved it | 01:00 |
| lbt | he *may* be around tomorrow | 01:01 |
| julien_ | nice idea lbt | 01:01 |
| lbt | *nod* he's not written it up yet | 01:01 |
| bennypr0fane | I want to 1. disable the NFC chip and 2. to install jolla-filemanager | 01:01 |
| julien_ | Yes I used developer mode for shutting down nfc | 01:01 |
| lbt | from what you said it sounds unlikely that the device battery is low but you should put it on charge overnight | 01:02 |
| lbt | bennypr0fane: yes you need to enable dev mode | 01:02 |
| lbt | julien_: do your best to write down what you did; tonight before you forget :) | 01:03 |
| bennypr0fane | do I see more apps in the store then, or will the terminal just be there after restart? | 01:03 |
| lbt | bennypr0fane: the terminal (and ssh) will be there | 01:03 |
| bennypr0fane | hahlo, there it is | 01:04 |
| bennypr0fane | awesome | 01:04 |
| bennypr0fane | ah first app i see with portrait mode | 01:04 |
| lbt | yep - you can now set a nemo passwd and ssh in or use terminal. You can use devel-su for root | 01:04 |
| lbt | bennypr0fane: gallery has it too | 01:04 |
| julien_ | thanks lbt :) | 01:05 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm sorta disappointed the OS UI is pretty much portrait-only | 01:05 |
| bennypr0fane | wow, that is one tiny little font in the terminal | 01:06 |
| bennypr0fane | how do I set a password? | 01:06 |
| lbt | settings -> dev mode | 01:07 |
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| julien_ | good night people | 01:18 |
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| julien_ | I'll be back on tomorrow so | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | whoah, does stuff get killed if there's more than 4 things open? | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | think I lost a filetransfer :o) | 01:20 |
| bennypr0fane | ShadowJK, no wayyyy, this is not Android, is it? | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | maybe fluke gesture | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | yeah probably, because now I have 5 things | 01:22 |
| bennypr0fane | is there any way to make the font bigger in terminal? | 01:22 |
| petantik | bennypr0fane: in fingerterm, there's a menu at the top right you can tap. | 01:25 |
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| * ShadowJK wishes gallery would show filenames | 01:28 | |
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| HtheB | anyone still here? | 02:08 |
| w00t | no | 02:09 |
| w00t | zzzz | 02:09 |
| HtheB | does anyone know where the 'MyDocs' in the alien dalvik? | 02:09 |
| HtheB | ('sdcard' in android language) | 02:09 |
| covox | HtheB: /data/sdcard? | 02:09 |
| HtheB | covox: thnx! | 02:10 |
| covox | you need to crack open developer mode to get there :P | 02:10 |
| HtheB | first thing I've done ;) | 02:10 |
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| HtheB | dosbox works perfect :) | 02:12 |
| HtheB | well.. with 1 terrible problem | 02:13 |
| covox | HtheB: you built dosbox? nice | 02:13 |
| HtheB | no.. | 02:13 |
| HtheB | apk shut | 02:13 |
| HtheB | ashit* | 02:13 |
| HtheB | apk shit* | 02:13 |
| covox | oh right | 02:13 |
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| covox | what kind of terrible problem | 02:14 |
| HtheB | it detects numbers | 02:14 |
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| HtheB | the enter button and stuff | 02:14 |
| HtheB | it detects all key strokes, but NOT the normal characters :( | 02:14 |
| HtheB | so I cant type anything | 02:15 |
| covox | dang | 02:15 |
| HtheB | i can type numbers and symbols | 02:15 |
| HtheB | I have a solution for that though | 02:15 |
| HtheB | edit the config file | 02:15 |
| HtheB | :P | 02:15 |
| HtheB | thats how I started a game | 02:15 |
| HtheB | oh by the way, i see that anDosBox has an 'external' command prompt | 02:17 |
| HtheB | (as in type before you start DosBox | 02:17 |
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| covox | looks like there's a few android ports | 02:19 |
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| HtheB | best one is anDosBox | 02:22 |
| HtheB | made a video comparison some time ago | 02:22 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIy4DQY4aFA | 02:22 |
| covox | dosbox turbo? they seem to have done some work re. controls | 02:26 |
| HtheB | andosbox still beats them | 02:26 |
| HtheB | in every way | 02:26 |
| HtheB | thats why it's a payed app | 02:26 |
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| HtheB | (after paying, you can get the sources) | 02:26 |
| HtheB | but it seems like I cant get Command&Conquer to work | 02:27 |
| covox | I was wondering about that, you can't seem to get the source code anywhere | 02:27 |
| HtheB | gives me some "swap" error | 02:27 |
| HtheB | covox: yes you can | 02:27 |
| HtheB | only after paying | 02:27 |
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| covox | HtheB: has anyone tried? | 02:32 |
| covox | the DOSBox developers don't seem to hold him in high regard | 02:32 |
| HtheB | not that I know of | 02:32 |
| HtheB | I dont care | 02:33 |
| HtheB | as long as its working | 02:33 |
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| HtheB | and all other dosbox apps dont.... | 02:33 |
| covox | well, by your own admission turbo wasn't that good :P | 02:33 |
| HtheB | yes | 02:33 |
| HtheB | I'm talking about anDosBox | 02:33 |
| HtheB | anDosBox is the best | 02:34 |
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| covox | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1123053&postcount=739 | 02:39 |
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| HtheB | covox: ah I see the problem | 02:56 |
| HtheB | it's because of the stupid auto dictionary! | 02:56 |
| HtheB | is there a way to turn this off? | 02:56 |
| HtheB | I know that conversation, look below ho replies :) | 02:57 |
| HtheB | oh and look also to WHOM he replies to :) | 02:57 |
| smokex | you could remove xt9 | 02:57 |
| HtheB | smokex: oh please tell me how! | 02:58 |
| smokex | zypper or that other package manager | 02:58 |
| HtheB | pkcon remove xt9 ? | 02:58 |
| smokex | think that was it | 02:58 |
| HtheB | no package found | 02:58 |
| HtheB | do you know what the name of it is | 02:59 |
| smokex | how about jolla-xt9 | 02:59 |
| HtheB | <3 | 02:59 |
| HtheB | rebooting device | 02:59 |
| smokex | cool :) | 02:59 |
| HtheB | i've booted Windows 3.1 | 02:59 |
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| HtheB | just for lols | 02:59 |
| smokex | lol | 03:00 |
| HtheB | Next Win95 | 03:00 |
| HtheB | WORKS! | 03:00 |
| smokex | :) | 03:00 |
| HtheB | finally :) ! | 03:00 |
| HtheB | Thanks man | 03:00 |
| HtheB | Dosbox with keyboard contrl | 03:01 |
| HtheB | smokex: any idea how to remove the bar | 03:02 |
| HtheB | where the xt9 was? | 03:02 |
| HtheB | takes up useless space | 03:03 |
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| smokex | not sure what you're talking about | 03:07 |
| smokex | it's probably a QCompleter | 03:08 |
| smokex | ? | 03:08 |
| HtheB | the place where the 'dictionary' was, is now empty | 03:09 |
| HtheB | and by empty, i mean a black space where the words were | 03:09 |
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| krnlyng | how would i install sailfish on a android device? is it ready yet? | 06:33 |
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| Venemo | morning | 07:32 |
| CraigA | its 2:37 am here | 07:35 |
| Venemo | 8:37 here | 07:37 |
| Quu | dickbutts | 07:38 |
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| Venemo | Quu ? | 07:39 |
| Quu | http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2010/197/0/b/Dick_Butt_by_beyx.png | 07:40 |
| Venemo | lol | 07:41 |
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| CraigA | lol | 07:50 |
| CraigA | as far as formatting for this new 64gb microsd i bought for my Jolla, is it best to go with btrfs? | 07:50 |
| Venemo | CraigA: I went for ext4 with mine | 07:50 |
| Venemo | CraigA: but yes, btrfs should work too | 07:51 |
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| Pnuu | 11 h idling with tohd stopped, 4 % battery of battery consumed | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | Pnuu: is that more of what you as a consumer expect? | 08:11 |
| Pnuu | with tohd enabled it was approx 20 % | 08:11 |
| Pnuu | yeah, even better I would've wished :-) | 08:12 |
| PeperJohnny | Pnuu: do you need to stop tohd only? | 08:14 |
| Pnuu | I had mobile data on, but no active connections | 08:14 |
| Pnuu | Pat_o: yes, only that | 08:14 |
| PeperJohnny | ok will try it. Thanks =) | 08:14 |
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| Pnuu | PeperJohnny: ^ | 08:14 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | 11h idling usage 20% seems fair to me | 08:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | of course, if tohd does have such an effect, it would be nice if power usage can be lessened | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 08:30 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i wonder if tohd is stopped that the tag on TOH can be read by another reader | 08:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ie: if this means the internal reader is turned off | 08:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i was thinking if it was enought to start the reader only if that TOH detector thing is changed status | 08:32 |
| _Razor_ | 2%/9h, tohd stopped | 08:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that pin thing that sticks out from TOH | 08:32 |
| Milo- | systemctl disable tohd.service didn't actually disable tohd from starting at boot. | 08:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | well, of course not | 08:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | systemctl disable tohd.service would do that | 08:34 |
| Pnuu | Milo-: for that you need systemctl mask tohd.service | 08:34 |
| Milo- | well. systemctl *disable* is supposed to do that. | 08:34 |
| Milo- | Pnuu oh. | 08:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's systemctl, right | 08:34 |
| * AL13N_lizzy is a mageia contributor and we've been using systemctl since 2 years or so | 08:34 | |
| Milo- | AL13N_lizzy now I'm confused, you repeated the same command as "of course not" and "would do that" | 08:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh, i mistyped, "stop" stops it | 08:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | "disable" doesn't start at boot, but can be started by other systemctl services/hardware/sockets/udev/etc... | 08:35 |
| Milo- | yes.. but I said. "disable", because that's supposed to disable boot-services from starting at boot. | 08:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it does, but it can still be started by others as dependencies or wantedby | 08:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or hardware stuff | 08:36 |
| Milo- | ah. | 08:36 |
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| Milo- | dependencies, what a load of bollocks and biscuits. | 08:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i don't have a Jolla, so i donno, but you can find ot | 08:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also "systemd-analyze plot > file.svg" | 08:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone do this? and post the svg file? | 08:37 |
| Milo- | let's see | 08:37 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Milo-: in any parallel (read' fast') | 08:37 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 08:37 |
| Pnuu | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/23/source-of-battery-drain-nfc-always-on-solution/ | 08:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | bootup sequence, dependencies are a must | 08:37 |
| Tofe | morning | 08:37 |
| Pnuu | that page says that *disable* should disable it at boot | 08:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pnuu: it does | 08:37 |
| Pnuu | oh, yeah, other processes | 08:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it just can be started by others | 08:38 |
| Milo- | AL13N_lizzy no such command | 08:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, they didn't package it | 08:38 |
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| Pnuu | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 08:38 |
| Pnuu | in comments there is the *mask* version | 08:38 |
| Tofe | today, I tried the alarm proposed by Clock; I must say it is not really intuitive | 08:38 |
| ortylp | AL13N_lizzy: -bash: systemd-analyze: command not found | 08:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is there a way to find files in packages? | 08:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | like apt-file search? or urpmf? | 08:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but for Jolla? | 08:39 |
| Tofe | pkcon list ? | 08:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | isn't that the package listing? not a file search? | 08:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, gtg bbl | 08:40 |
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| Tofe | I think there's an option for that too, but I don't have an shell near me | 08:40 |
| Milo- | yeah... I really need that usb-modem kernel module. | 08:41 |
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| ortylp | AL13N_lizzy: there is "search [name|details|group|file] [data]" and "get-files [package]" | 08:42 |
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| ortylp | Tofe: you need to be awake to use it :D | 08:43 |
| Hartzi | [nemo@localhost ~]$ /sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblkp1 | 08:44 |
| Hartzi | -bash: /sbin/mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory | 08:44 |
| Hartzi | does anyone know whats wrong? | 08:45 |
| locusf | root | 08:46 |
| Pnuu | Hartzi: add devel-su | 08:46 |
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| Hartzi | still doesn't work | 08:47 |
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| Pnuu | ah, there really isn't mkfs.vfat | 08:48 |
| Pnuu | ls /sbin/mkfs* | 08:49 |
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| Hartzi | fuu | 08:50 |
| Hartzi | how do i create the filesystem if there's no mkfs.vfat? :| | 08:50 |
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| pp_ | dosfstools?-) | 08:51 |
| Pnuu | if the card is new, there should already be vfat in it | 08:51 |
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| Hartzi | there were exfat | 08:51 |
| pp_ | (mer-tools repo) | 08:51 |
| pp_ | ... which might do nasty things :-) | 08:52 |
| pp_ | but so far has worked nicely | 08:52 |
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| Pnuu | Hartzi: does mkfs -t vfat work? | 08:53 |
| Hartzi | Pnuu: let's try. | 08:53 |
| Hartzi | Pnuu: nope | 08:54 |
| Hartzi | pp_: does the installation work just as pkcon install dosfstools? | 08:54 |
| pp_ | hmn, I think you need the mer-tools repo as well | 08:55 |
| pp_ | Enabled repositories (user): - mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/ | 08:55 |
| Hartzi | 403 Forbidden | 08:55 |
| pp_ | yea, no index.html :-) | 08:56 |
| tbr | don't go there with your browser :) | 08:56 |
| tbr | just ssu ar | 08:56 |
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| Venemo | made it this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce77iLjcpig | 08:56 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: you're the dev of the app? | 08:58 |
| Venemo | PeperJohnny: yep | 08:59 |
| PeperJohnny | nice app, however the disabled gestures surprised me at first :D | 09:00 |
| Hartzi | tbr: does it work just as ssu ar url? | 09:00 |
| pp_ | reponame url | 09:00 |
| Hartzi | ah | 09:00 |
| Venemo | PeperJohnny: watch the video, it'll tell you how to use the gestures when you're playing | 09:00 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: will do thanks | 09:01 |
| Hartzi | what's this: [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 09:01 |
| Hartzi | " | 09:01 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: hehe, nice game :) | 09:03 |
| ortylp | what is in "/proc/detect_panel" and what means "1" | 09:03 |
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| Venemo | ggabriel: thank you | 09:03 |
| Venemo | PeperJohnny: basically the gestures are only disabled while you are playing. if you are in the game menu or the welcome screen the gestures are back on! | 09:03 |
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| PeperJohnny | Venemo: well quite clever, just surprised me a bit =) | 09:05 |
| Venemo | PeperJohnny: yes, trust me, I don't like disabling the system gestures, but otherwise it would be impossible to drag puzzle pieces near the edges | 09:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo: <3<3 | 09:06 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: I guess you have tried it long enough for this decision, so it's ok with me and completly undestandable, at least for me | 09:06 |
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| walokra | Venemo: nice looking app | 09:07 |
| Venemo | PeperJohnny: it's been working the same way on the N9 too for ages, and nobody mentioned it as an issue back then. | 09:07 |
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| ortylp | Venemo: looks nice, but on needs kids, to find use for it... | 09:08 |
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| Hartzi | pp_: Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find dosfstools | 09:09 |
| ortylp | Venemo: or was that only a coding exercise? | 09:09 |
| Venemo | ortylp: I have several users who like it and are quite "big kids" | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: oh, so people have kids because they lack the kid inside to play games? :-) | 09:09 |
| ortylp | Venemo: :D | 09:09 |
| Venemo | I even play with it myself | 09:11 |
| Venemo | it never gets boring, because I can add custom pictures | 09:11 |
| Venemo | but of course ortylp if puzzles are not your thing, I understand. everybody has different tastes :) | 09:12 |
| Venemo | thanks for the compliments Sfiet_Konstantin & walokra :) | 09:12 |
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| macmaN | is it possible to get subscribe to a "new apps" feed for jolla store, i wonder | 09:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo: it still works well, so I'm happy | 09:13 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I was already a huge fan of puzzle master when it was on nemo | 09:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 09:14 |
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| Venemo | Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 09:15 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin trying to write a fb client | 09:15 | |
| Yaniel | the puzzles are a bit small though | 09:15 |
| Yaniel | even at max size | 09:15 |
| * Yaniel is sort of used to 1-2k pieces | 09:16 | |
| Tofe | Venemo: it's a great game you have here, but isn't it a bit sad that the UI isn't using the Silica framework ? | 09:16 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: 1-2k would be too much for 4.5" :P | 09:16 |
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| Venemo | Tofe: if you have a suggestion, I'm always listening | 09:17 |
| Yaniel | you wouldn't have to see all of it at the same time | 09:17 |
| Tofe | Venemo: I think the option menu could be a pulley menu, for isntance, though I didn't look at it very carefully | 09:18 |
| Venemo | anyway, can I ask for a retweet? from those of you who have a twitter account https://twitter.com/Venemo/status/415404346143027200 | 09:18 |
| Yaniel | what about abusing multitouch a bit more? | 09:18 |
| Venemo | Tofe: in-game, the pulley menu would collide with the gestures in the game. | 09:18 |
| Tofe | Venemo: ah, I feared there would be such answer :) Ok then, I don't have suggestions right now | 09:19 |
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| Yaniel | btw it is awesome to be able to grab two pieces, rotate them independently and move them to their place at the same time | 09:19 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: yes you can use as many touch points as the device supports | 09:19 |
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| Venemo | Tofe: how would you know if the user wants to drag a piece or pull the menu? | 09:19 |
| Tofe | Venemo: long touch press ? | 09:20 |
| Trizt | Merry Jolla to you all :P | 09:20 |
| Tofe | (on the background) | 09:20 |
| Tofe | or maybe simply pull on the background | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | Venemo, Tofe: i'm no ux expert, but you could also argue that i order to move pieces you have to use 2 fingers | 09:21 |
| Venemo | Tofe: that requires that you have a clear spot in the background, which is not intuitive | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | then anything else works with 1 finger | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | the real question is: is silica designed for puzzles? :-) | 09:21 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: that's again not very usable | 09:21 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: i agree, i like it how it is | 09:21 |
| Venemo | so anyway, trust me, I've though a LOT (and then some more) about it | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | i suppose any game will be mildly incompatible with silica as it stands | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: yeap, i'm agreeing with you.... not sure any framework works seamlessly with games | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | look at the games out there for any other device | 09:23 |
| Venemo | of course I could've implemented the welcome screen on silica - but then the confusion would've been even worse | 09:23 |
| Tofe | Venemo: the other way is to have a title bar, but it eats space; in the end, it's true that this way of manipulating a menu is a bit difficult when dealing with games | 09:23 |
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| Venemo | Tofe: I need all the space I can get, for the game board itself | 09:23 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: actually, zooming's been a popular feature request, so maybe that could be the answer to your idea too | 09:24 |
| Tofe | Maybe Silica will propose some other way of displaying UI in the future | 09:24 |
| Venemo | I don't think that having a custom UI for a game is a problem | 09:25 |
| Venemo | after all, there is only one button you have to press - it doesn't get any simpler than that | 09:25 |
| Tofe | Venemo: no, on a second thought, maybe not, you're right. | 09:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | did anyone do "search systemd-analyze" ? | 09:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or was it pkcon search systemd-analyze ? | 09:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or maybe pkcon search *bin/systemd-analyze ? | 09:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or maybe systemd-analyze needed devel-su ? | 09:27 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: no idea but I can check if you ping me tomorrow | 09:27 |
| atlaz | OH MY GOD! My wife got me the Laser-guided-beard-trimmer-machine-from-hell! | 09:28 |
| atlaz | I've already shaved TWICE today | 09:28 |
| Venemo | atlaz: wow, what's that? | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: \o/ | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i remember that | 09:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | atlaz: what kind of monster is that... | 09:29 |
| atlaz | http://www.philips.co.uk/c/Facial-stylers-and-grooming-kits/beardtrimmer-series-9000-0.2-mm-precision-settings-full-metal-dual-sided-trimmer-60-mins-cordless-use-1-hr-charge-with-laser-guide-bt9280_33/prd/ | 09:29 |
| Venemo | oh, this reminds me, I have to shave | 09:29 |
| atlaz | http://images.philips.com/is/image/PhilipsConsumer/BT9280_33-MI1-global-001?align=0%2C0&hei=384&$jpglarge$ | 09:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i'll have to shave for tonight, for the party or my wife 'll kill me | 09:30 |
| atlaz | Only the most awesome beard-trimmer in the world | 09:30 |
| Venemo | atlaz: nice | 09:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | O_o | 09:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 09:30 |
| atlaz | I mean look at the friggin url | 09:31 |
| atlaz | 0.2-mm-precision-settings-full-metal-dual-sided-trimmer-60-mins-cordless-use-1-hr-charge-with-LASER-GUIDE! | 09:31 |
| atlaz | And i fucking typed that. I didn't even copy it! | 09:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i guess we boys like our lasers | 09:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :O | 09:36 |
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| Yaniel | :D | 09:39 |
| Yaniel | who doesn't like lasers | 09:39 |
| Gilly | Has anyone else had problems with gallery not showing old pictures after the last update? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | Gilly: did you remove your tutorial app by chance? | 09:40 |
| Venemo | have a nice day everyone! | 09:41 |
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| Gilly | yes, pretty much right after I got the phone (from Narinkkatori, so way before the last update) | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | okay, that may be why | 09:42 |
| Gilly | Stskeeps: interesting :) and unexpected, can you elaborate or suggest a fix? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | Gilly: it kinda goes berserk and removes tracker | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | i would recommend a factory reset to be honest | 09:43 |
| Gilly | oh | 09:43 |
| Yaniel | removes tracker? :o | 09:43 |
| Yaniel | uh huh | 09:43 |
| Gilly | reinstalling tracker is not enough? | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | that's a good tip :) | 09:43 |
| Yaniel | you'd have to configure it | 09:43 |
| Yaniel | and there are some wrapper scripts which I don't know if they are included | 09:44 |
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| Gilly | ok | 09:44 |
| Yaniel | but it probably won't hurt to take a backup and try | 09:44 |
| Gilly | right.. I guess I could also factory reset. would just have to backup my contacts first | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | and remember to move the backup off the device | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | factory reset removes everything | 09:45 |
| Gilly | thanks, that's what I expected | 09:46 |
| Gilly | is removing tutorial app still hazardous after the last update too? :) | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | is the tutorial that heavy? | 09:47 |
| sremes | well, that explains why I could not view some of my pics yesterday, since I too had removed the tutorial app right after I got the phone. installed an android gallery app instead which worked well enough :) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | Gilly: yes | 09:49 |
| Quu | hmm? | 09:51 |
| Quu | why are you even able to remove it, if it fucks everything up? | 09:51 |
| sremes | are there any other effects that happen due to removing the tutorial? | 09:51 |
| sremes | Quu: a valid question :) | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: bugs exist | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
| Gilly | where are the backups stored on the device? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | /home/nemo/.vault is what i copied, but i recommend simply tarring up /home/nemo | 09:55 |
| Gilly | ah. I tried making a backup via the utility :) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | backup goes to .vault | 09:56 |
| Gilly | ok, thanks a lot. I'll archive the whole dir then, too | 09:57 |
| Quu | btw, anyone have problems with google account? | 09:58 |
| Quu | keeps alerting me that its not logged in | 09:58 |
| Quu | and still syncs mails etc | 09:58 |
| spider-mario | I have many failed email syncs showing up in the transfer list | 09:59 |
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| spider-mario | btw, the email app loads external images and does not seem to have a setting to change that behavior | 10:02 |
| spider-mario | does it have one? | 10:02 |
| Quu | no idea, would be nice to have toggle for that | 10:02 |
| Quu | eg. i dont have 3g speed-mobile-whatever-connection | 10:03 |
| spider-mario | it’s also better for privacy | 10:03 |
| Quu | so i use only 2g, loads too long for most mails because it doesnt show anything before it loads all | 10:03 |
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| spider-mario | loading external images means sending a request from which spammers can deduce that their email has been read | 10:03 |
| Quu | spammers like my mom and facebook. | 10:04 |
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| spider-mario | <img src="http://.../img.jpg?yes_message_read_by=blahblah@example.org"> | 10:04 |
| spider-mario | → *bam* | 10:05 |
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| Quu | TOH is called "SmartCover" in the CSD Tool | 10:16 |
| Quu | hmm | 10:16 |
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| entil | what's the appropriate way to do console.log() style debugging in c++? c stdio stuff, printf like? it would end up in Application Output? | 10:16 |
| Yaniel | that and qdebug | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | Quu: csd tool? | 10:16 |
| Quu | http://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/117/are-you-ready-for-some-plays-i-found-nice-gamehhhhtool- | 10:16 |
| entil | thanks. never did c++ beyond some school exercises and progress is slow ;) | 10:16 |
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| entil | didn't find a cool way to deal with errors either. now, I'm pretty sure the Page flow makes sure the app is in a consistent state, but if I wanted to present the user with an error would something like QAssert make it easy for me or do I need custom exceptions? | 10:22 |
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| aupo | A heads up: It seems getting a system update inform crashes or force closes some applications. At least my Jolla Browser closed down and the screen went black for a mo, after which I got the "System Update available" message. | 10:34 |
| aupo | And thanks for the update AND is the change log available somewhere? | 10:34 |
| Pnuu | aupo: version .12? | 10:36 |
| Pnuu | there's only a hotfix for store credentials | 10:36 |
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| ortylp | does anybody know how to change the default browser (to firefox)? | 10:41 |
| Gilly | Stskeeps: now that I have done the factory reset, is it ok if I just copy .vault/People/data/all.vcf back to the device or is there some hidden data somewhere? | 10:44 |
| Gilly | hm, sorry.. I think I was mistaken, that's not where the people app actually stores its data | 10:47 |
| narchie | has anyone encountered a bug in gallery where it fails to show some images? | 10:47 |
| Pnuu | narchie: have you removed the tutorial app? | 10:48 |
| narchie | Pnuu: yes | 10:48 |
| Pnuu | then scroll back some :-) | 10:48 |
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| narchie | alright, thanks | 10:51 |
| narchie | pretty awkward though. | 10:52 |
| Pnuu | yeah | 10:52 |
| AJAX555 | "package jolla-developer-mode was not found in Store" ;o | 10:52 |
| Gilly | seems like copying .vault back and restoring backups did the job. thanks | 10:52 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, pop quiz | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | how many of you guys here removed tutorial app? | 10:53 |
| Pnuu | I thought to remove, but didn't | 10:53 |
| AJAX555 | not me, have been thinking about removing it though | 10:53 |
| AJAX555 | is there anything useful? | 10:54 |
| jubo2 | g'jule morning | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | AJAX555: i would recommend against it | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:55 |
| PeperJohnny | Well it has all the ambiences and youll have to install them after deinstalling tutorial app | 10:56 |
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| AJAX555 | looks like jolla can't access internet atm.. | 10:56 |
| AJAX555 | better restart and see if it fixes it.. | 10:57 |
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| ShadowJK | not me | 11:01 |
| ShadowJK | what is the "proper" way to bring up tje bottom navbar in browser byw? | 11:02 |
| ShadowJK | the * btw* | 11:02 |
| PeperJohnny | i scroll up and then it shows up, dunno if it's the intented way | 11:03 |
| AJAX555 | yay works now | 11:03 |
| FireFly | I haven't removed the tutorial app | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | it doesnt seem to consistently wrk for me | 11:03 |
| ShadowJK | so k just wve aroind wildly until sometjing happens | 11:04 |
| FireFly | ShadowJK: ircing with the virtual keyboard? :P | 11:04 |
| ShadowJK | how did yo know | 11:06 |
| ShadowJK | still typoong more on tje huge xingerterm vkb than i do tjumbng n800 stylis kb :) | 11:06 |
| Pnuu | rofl | 11:09 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | ShadowJK: a quick scroll up | 11:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | is there a way to trigger the tutorials manually on-demand? | 11:33 |
| gabriel9 | i just ordered my phone in Germany | 11:34 |
| gabriel9 | how much do i need to wait? | 11:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | delivery times 3-4weeks | 11:34 |
| gabriel9 | #_# | 11:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm betting mine will come around mid januari | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | to late | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | i want it now | 11:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 11:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i want it yesterday | 11:35 |
| entil | here in .fi the phone hit the stores before the preorder people got theirs, so you're not alone | 11:35 |
| entil | but it's worth it | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | i hope it's worth | 11:35 |
| Morpog_Mobile | gabriel9: you should have preordered | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | could not | 11:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i suppose all the preorders have been finished already? | 11:35 |
| gabriel9 | my country is blacklisted | 11:36 |
| * Morpog_Jolla loves his Jolla | 11:36 | |
| gabriel9 | so i found friend of a friend from germany | 11:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Morpog_Mobile: i couldn't pre-order, i didn't know about Jolla then :-) | 11:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gabriel9: US? | 11:36 |
| gabriel9 | BiH | 11:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gabriel9: if you wanted it quicker, you'd have to buy it off of ebay | 11:36 |
| Morpog_Mobile | So you guys missed out on the N9 too? | 11:36 |
| PeperJohnny | AL13N_lizzy: most of them are -> 56cfb531c6e5d0b9cc086597e4881b01 | 11:37 |
| PeperJohnny | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=0 | 11:37 |
| gabriel9 | In EU beatween Croatia and Serbia | 11:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | PeperJohnny: ? | 11:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | most of them what? | 11:37 |
| PeperJohnny | AL13N_lizzy: the link is a list of the preorders | 11:37 |
| PeperJohnny | most of them are shipped & received | 11:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | well, this doc is not official and definately not up2date | 11:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but i assume all the preorders have been dealt with | 11:38 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i was one of the first to order after the pre-orders... | 11:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but now the preorders of the ones who bought after 2 dec need to be done | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | so is Jolla better then N9? | 11:38 |
| gabriel9 | my N9 is slow sometimes and battery is bad | 11:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Bosnië Herzegovina? | 11:39 |
| gabriel9 | yesd | 11:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | isn't that also part of EU? | 11:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or maybe they are under embargo stuff due to the war? | 11:40 |
| gabriel9 | lol | 11:41 |
| gabriel9 | war finished long time ago | 11:41 |
| gabriel9 | we are not part of the EU yet | 11:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yet? | 11:41 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | trying to? | 11:41 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 11:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gabriel9: btw: quick question, do they accept EUR in BiH? | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | we are still in the process to sell every resource to EU | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | ofc | 11:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | errr... | 11:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sorry | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | Our money is based on EUR | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | but still | 11:42 |
| gabriel9 | long story short, this is bad country | 11:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is it? | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 11:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | how could it be worse than .be ? | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | be = ? | 11:43 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Belgium | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | we have war's | 11:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | didn't it finish long time ago? | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | based on religion | 11:43 |
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| gabriel9 | it is in a way | 11:43 |
| gabriel9 | finished | 11:44 |
| gabriel9 | but | 11:44 |
| * AL13N_lizzy narrows eyes in confusion | 11:44 | |
| gabriel9 | :D | 11:44 |
| gabriel9 | war finished under the preasure of US | 11:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | bah, us | 11:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | putting in their noses where it doesn't belong | 11:44 |
| gabriel9 | so it is not finished in the minds of the people | 11:44 |
| gabriel9 | yea | 11:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | one of these days, their nose will be cut off | 11:45 |
| gabriel9 | i know | 11:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh wait, the twin towers already fell | 11:45 |
| gabriel9 | if you have time check this out | 11:45 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEYQ46gH08 | 11:45 |
| gabriel9 | my country in a movie :D | 11:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 11:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is it a flat country? | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | 11:38 < gabriel9> so is Jolla better then N9? | 11:46 |
| gabriel9 | duno | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | i'll let you know my experience later on this week/next week.... | 11:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh, are you getting it? | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | i'm pretty sure it won't be able to replace my n9 due to the lack of caldav/good rss feed reader | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | my jolla is under the tree right now | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | i'll open it at midnight | 11:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: by then, there'll be a bugfix update and later a feature update | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i'm trusting that | 11:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: present for yourself? | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | but it really depends on the individual | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: exactly :-) | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | so, for example | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | if you rely heavily on offline maps, then maybe you need an android equivalent for the ojlla | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | jolla even | 11:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: there is osm | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | gabriel9: you can change the battery of the n9 btw, it's pretty simple. use security torx to avoid breaking the screws | 11:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | even if it's not the best maps, it does have offline allowed | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: i know about osm, but it isn't the same yet | 11:48 |
| gabriel9 | i know | 11:48 |
| gabriel9 | but it is slow sometimes | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | gabriel9: yeah, i agree, latest websites for instance do require a faster device | 11:48 |
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| ggabriel | the jolla should be much better speedwise | 11:48 |
| gabriel9 | to much js frameworks and shit | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | yeap | 11:49 |
| gabriel9 | ok guys thanks for chating | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | but it's the same with computers :) | 11:49 |
| gabriel9 | i must work now | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | go for it, gabriel9, have a good time ;-) | 11:49 |
| narchie | So how do I go about restoring from a .vault folder?I made a backup, reset my device but it cant seem to find any backups | 11:49 |
| narchie | I wrote over the default .vault | 11:50 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc this roind was eu+norway,switzerland | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | so, um, eec, eea, whatever it's called... | 11:53 |
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| entil | could someone give me a hand with qt/c++? I can't figure out why my code fails at http://pastebin.com/46b3SQrf | 11:54 |
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| entil | I'm quite clueless as to everything here :D trying to figure out silica, qt and c++ by the references and googling and maybe a bit of irc ;P | 11:55 |
| Pnuu | entil: I started learning by tweaking the hello world pro template | 11:56 |
| entil | I've come pretty far imo, to the stage where I can select the file a-ok | 11:57 |
| entil | this is probably more of a general c++ issue, like me not knowing c++ | 11:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: the best help for developing apps is likely at devel@lists.sailfishos.org | 11:57 |
| Pnuu | or #sailfishos | 11:57 |
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| entil | ok.. well, I think I'll just bang my head against the wall for a while longer, because like I said, this is probably more related to me and c++ and I'll probably figure this out by the time I get replies on a list, if I even do | 11:58 |
| entil | but maybe #sailfishos might help too | 11:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: maybe this is because they use things like scoped pointers | 11:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: i think this might be sailfishos related actually | 11:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: i've been following the list, and afaict any new thread gets replies | 11:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pretty fast too | 11:59 |
| entil | cool | 11:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there's like more than 60msg a day | 12:00 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though it might be less during the holidays | 12:00 |
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| entil | I find holidays great for hacking :> | 12:01 |
| entil | lots of spare time around the family time | 12:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes, but today and tomorrow might be less | 12:01 |
| entil | yeah | 12:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i suspect though that even some jolla employees will be reading the list during the holidays though | 12:02 |
| Aard | :p | 12:02 |
| M4rtinK | any pointers how to fix the "Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)" error ? | 12:02 |
| * Aard has a bit of a problem keeping up with sailfish mailinglist, too high volume | 12:03 | |
| M4rtinK | shows up in store output & if I do pkcon refresh | 12:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Aard: i can imagine | 12:03 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: output of ssu domain? | 12:03 |
| Frye_ | Aard, you'e not the only one | 12:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | M4rtinK: see http://elinux.org/Jolla | 12:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it has such one | 12:03 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: Device domain is currently: sales | 12:03 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, there is also a few lines of: | 12:04 |
| M4rtinK | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 12:04 |
| M4rtinK | " | 12:04 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: which os version are you running? | 12:04 |
| M4rtinK | when I run it | 12:04 |
| Aard | yes, those can be ignored, it's a bug in connman-qt, but does not break anything | 12:04 |
| M4rtinK | 1.0.1.12 | 12:04 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: does it say which repo fails authentication? | 12:05 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: in the store output in journal, it says something like this: | 12:05 |
| M4rtinK | Needs authentication: https://download.jollamobile.com/pj:/hw:/android:/common:/release/latest_armv7hl/?credentials=store | 12:05 |
| Aard | ah | 12:06 |
| M4rtinK | and if I do pkcon refresh, it just prints that authentication error | 12:06 |
| Aard | that explains | 12:06 |
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| Trizt | is there any doc on porting things from maemo5 to sailfishos? | 12:06 |
| Aard | you played with ssu cli :) | 12:06 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: try ssu re 1.0.1.12 | 12:06 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: that seems to have fixed it ! :) | 12:09 |
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| M4rtinK | any idea what might have caused this behvaiour ? | 12:09 |
| Yaniel | guesswork :P | 12:09 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: "you played with ssu cli" :p | 12:09 |
| Aard | the only way I'm aware of this can happen is if you try to set the device into rnd mode from ssu cli | 12:10 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK: did you enable developer updates? | 12:10 |
| M4rtinK | nope | 12:10 |
| M4rtinK | they only ssu related thing I'm aware of is running: ssu flavour release | 12:11 |
| M4rtinK | according to https://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.sailfishos.org/msg01781.html | 12:11 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: yes. that puts you into rnd mode, and breaks your repository setup | 12:11 |
| M4rtinK | rnd ? :) | 12:11 |
| M4rtinK | random ? :D | 12:12 |
| Aard | development mode, repositories with beta software you don't have access to (yet) | 12:12 |
| ShadowJK | hm, mailing list archive looks silly on jollabowser :) | 12:12 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, I guess some more docs to ssu usage would not hurt :) | 12:13 |
| M4rtinK | seems to be rather esoteric at the moment :) | 12:14 |
| Aard | ssu help? :p | 12:14 |
| Aard | plus, ssu is opensource | 12:15 |
| narchie | has anyone restored a .vault backup? | 12:15 |
| * Aard has | 12:15 | |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I know it has help | 12:16 |
| Morpog_Jolla | sounds like togther.jolla.com gives us access to beta stuff | 12:16 |
| M4rtinK | more like what the values mean, what are valid values, etc. :) | 12:17 |
| narchie | Aard: what do I have to do? I didnt archive my whole homedir, just the .vault file | 12:17 |
| M4rtinK | man ssu | 12:17 |
| M4rtinK | bash: man: command not found | 12:17 |
| M4rtinK | :D | 12:17 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: look at the nemo project for values, they're using the same setup ;) | 12:17 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 12:17 |
| Aard | narchie: copy it back, restore from settings ui | 12:18 |
| narchie | you mean overwrite the default .vault dir? I did just that but jolla can't see any backups | 12:18 |
| Aard | do a git log inside .vault | 12:19 |
| narchie | the latest entry is my ackup | 12:21 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, backing up by git-format-patch & git-send-email :) | 12:23 |
| entil | AL13N_lizzy: so the issue was with newlines ;P | 12:23 |
| entil | no one could have helped me figure this out without going real deep | 12:23 |
| entil | I didn't realize the source material was in \r\n until I looked at it with od -t x1 | 12:23 |
| ShadowJK | is it just me or does copypaste in fingerterm not work? | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | merry christmas guys :) | 12:27 |
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| Nicd- | and girls | 12:27 |
| jubo2 | and number beings | 12:29 |
| FIQ | and bots | 12:30 |
| entil | and the nsa | 12:31 |
| entil | cuz they're reading this anyway | 12:31 |
| jubo2 | entil: 's not funny | 12:31 |
| jubo2 | our Law teacher tells us that spying isn't outlawed | 12:31 |
| entil | on second though, no, that wasn't :/ | 12:31 |
| narchie | Aard: any idea why the commit is visible but not for the settings ui? | 12:31 |
| jubo2 | there is no legistlation saying that you cannot spy on other states | 12:32 |
| Aard | narchie: ? | 12:32 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. my clever plan of fingerterm url grabber - open - copy url from browser failed at the last step... | 12:32 |
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| narchie | I checked git log. the overwrite is stored in a commit | 12:32 |
| narchie | but the settings doesnt see anything | 12:32 |
| Aard | ShadowJK: that should work, though | 12:34 |
| Aard | that's how I usually do it :) | 12:34 |
| narchie | Aard: I mean that its the git log from my backupped .vault but there's still nothing | 12:35 |
| narchie | hmm | 12:35 |
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| Frye | So basically if I clone the .vault to my laptop I can just backup on device and then do a git pull :) | 12:36 |
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| Aard | Frye: partially. pictures are not stored in git, just in the .vault directory -> you won't copy the pictures when you clone it | 12:37 |
| Aard | narchie: try restarting settings | 12:37 |
| Frye | yeah | 12:37 |
| Frye | just noticed that | 12:37 |
| Aard | for the other backupbits git is great, but it sucks when storing the jpg binary blobs | 12:38 |
| M4rtinK | just autovectorize them to SVG, problem solved! :D | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | would be pretty #unlike :) | 12:40 |
| ShadowJK | Aard: oh i couldnt figure out how to view the current URL in browser... | 12:40 |
| Aard | tap on the tab button? :) | 12:40 |
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| M4rtinK | that reminds me - latest Opera Mobile for Android works | 12:42 |
| M4rtinK | and has fit-text-to-screen, so makes portrait browsing possible :) | 12:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Aard: thx | 12:44 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: opera even has landscape browsing ;) I'm currently often using opera on my phone as well, due to lack of landscape in our native browser | 12:44 |
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| ShadowJK | M4rtinK: heh, i was trying to figure out a path to get from youtube irl on irc, to seeing video | 12:45 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, I'm using Opera as my preferred mobile browser | 12:45 |
| M4rtinK | on N900, N9 & Android (on HP Touchpad) | 12:45 |
| ShadowJK | or any url to browser with less condtant-reload-syndrome behaviour :) | 12:46 |
| M4rtinK | the text reflow & portrait is really handy when riding a tram :) | 12:46 |
| M4rtinK | you need to hold on to something, so landscape is not really usable in this case :) | 12:47 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, opera mobile ust crashds jere, wont start :/ | 12:50 |
| M4rtinK | I think I had to reboot it after installing it | 12:51 |
| M4rtinK | or killing other running Android apps | 12:51 |
| ShadowJK | didnt have anything else android running | 12:52 |
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| M4rtinK | maybe old version ? | 12:52 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the "classic" version (unfortunately) does not work | 12:53 |
| M4rtinK | only the new webkit/blink based one | 12:53 |
| ShadowJK | whatever was in yandex | 12:53 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, mine reports version: 18.0.1290.67495 | 12:54 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that one does not work | 12:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: doesn't vi tell you if it's DOS or not? | 12:54 |
| ShadowJK | whatever was in yandex:) | 12:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: also, arent there CSV helper classes somewhere? | 12:56 |
| ShadowJK | I typo way too much in term to dare try install play store, need to get better at this kbd... | 12:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | entil: i would think someone somewhere has at some point done this before somehow | 12:56 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, Opera should just host the newest version somewhere | 12:57 |
| M4rtinK | but they just point to Play store instead | 12:57 |
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| Pnuu | ShadowJK: use ssh :-) | 12:57 |
| M4rtinK | well, if you have an android device with Play store, you should be able to get the apk | 12:57 |
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| ShadowJK | Pnuu: doesnt make vkbd easier, and if i sat at compuyer i would just use that to surf :P | 12:59 |
| ShadowJK | opera had download link on their page, lets try that | 12:59 |
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| ShadowJK | oh yeah, this is awesome :D youtube works now | 13:01 |
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| M4rtinK | nice! :) | 13:02 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, looks like it even remembers last open tabs :) | 13:02 |
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| M4rtinK | IMGO, must-have due to the Android apps being killed at random all the time | 13:03 |
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| M4rtinK | *IMHO | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | does it retain tabs or does it reload them all the time lie native? | 13:05 |
| M4rtinK | looks like it does not reload them during usage | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | awesome | 13:07 |
| anonfriese | humm strange. just installed play store on my jolla and i have absolutely no idea why i did that in the first place. Somehow i'm still accustomed from ny N9 and the few native Apps it had :) | 13:07 |
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| ShadowJK | at some point it will, android seems to do random tab-kill before random app-kill | 13:08 |
| M4rtinK | oh, and it loads them from local storage even if the apps is closed & opened again | 13:08 |
| M4rtinK | nice! :) | 13:08 |
| Pnuu | ShadowJK: poetic | 13:08 |
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| ShadowJK | native browser doesnt do random tab-kill, it does instakill :) | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | *sound effects* | 13:10 |
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| Trizt | instant kill, him that feels like when you run two android apps and you step one back so you close it, the alien dalvik is terminated, hope there will be a fix to that and I hope there could be some privacy options, like disable gps for an application | 13:25 |
| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 13:25 |
| cousin_luigi | Would it be possible to test sailfishos under qemu? | 13:26 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | you can try it in the sdk | 13:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Jolla: what are you using as IRC client ? | 13:47 |
| Morpog_Jolla | andchat till irc chatter is ported | 13:48 |
| Morpog_Jolla | a few new apps in store, yay! | 13:48 |
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| Pnuu | that rss feed for new apps would be nice | 13:50 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | or a new apps category | 13:52 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Trizt: alien dalvik doesn't terminate, it keeps running in the background | 14:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe the GUI container doesn't, i donno | 14:09 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | merry christmas to all of you, may you have fun with your device -- and if you get your device into a boot loop, prod me to save your christmas. | 14:11 |
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| * Aard prods Stskeeps | 14:12 | |
| pdanek | Šťastné a veselé Vianoce to you all! | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | testing battery life now that tofd.service has been turned off | 14:14 |
| * fk_lx1 also wishes merry christmas to everyone here - sailors and sailorettes, community, wannabe-sailors and who else is hanging here on the channel :-) | 14:15 | |
| Nicd- | tohd.service* | 14:15 |
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| narchie_ | funny how the facebook api is quitenicely used in the shared photos | 14:23 |
| narchie_ | but still browsing happens in the browser | 14:23 |
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| Andy80 | I've followed the small tutorial to disable toh daemon. It worked, but I noticed that after that you cannot change the ambiance anymore, neither manually | 14:30 |
| Nicd- | err | 14:32 |
| Nicd- | I can | 14:32 |
| Nicd- | by swiping left/right from the lock/home screen and selecting | 14:32 |
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| Andy80 | Nicd-: which fw version do you have? | 14:33 |
| Timo | Hi there guys, I'm looking for the place where the word prediction (VKB) dictionaries are stored. Can anyone point me at it? | 14:33 |
| Andy80 | Nicd-: swiping from lock screen doesn't let you access the Ambiance anymore since last update | 14:34 |
| Aard | Andy80: try from home screen | 14:34 |
| Andy80 | tried from all screens... | 14:34 |
| Pnuu | Andy80: and it doesn't work even from the gallery? | 14:34 |
| Andy80 | no left-right swiping available from any lock screens | 14:34 |
| Aard | Andy80: go to gallery, check if you have at least 2 favourite ambiences | 14:34 |
| Nicd- | Andy80: yes it does | 14:35 |
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| Andy80 | ah I didn't have any favourite | 14:35 |
| Nicd- | I have the latest version | 14:35 |
| Milo- | brilliant, it's been 6 hours and my bar has gone down 1 %.. nice! | 14:36 |
| Andy80 | now it works | 14:36 |
| Nicd- | Milo-: hope it's by 1% and not to 1% :D | 14:37 |
| Andy80 | Milo-: after removing toh :) ? | 14:37 |
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| Milo- | Andy80 yeah. | 14:37 |
| Andy80 | cool | 14:37 |
| Milo- | Nicd- I couldn't interpret that in any way. | 14:37 |
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| Andy80 | who cares about toh right now ;) | 14:37 |
| Milo- | 2 years of N9 and I used NFC only for unlocking angry birds levels :P | 14:38 |
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| Nicd- | Milo-: hope you meant "my bar has gone down by 1 %" instead of "my bar has gone down to 1 %" | 14:38 |
| Andy80 | Milo-: me the same :D | 14:38 |
| Andy80 | I never use NFC, I keep it disabled even on my Lumia 920 | 14:39 |
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| Milo- | Nicd- ah. now I get it. But I never sayd "by" or "to" | 14:39 |
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| Nicd- | Milo-: exactly, it was a joke | 14:39 |
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| Milo- | I do think it's punctually correct to say "down one percent", rather than "down by one percent". | 14:39 |
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| Milo- | yeah. your joke caused my humour interpreter to segfault :( | 14:40 |
| Nicd- | oh never mind | 14:40 |
| Milo- | I'm sorry. | 14:40 |
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| * Aard plays with a little christmas present | 15:01 | |
| Timo | Hi there guys, I'm looking for the place where the word prediction (VKB) dictionaries are stored. Can anyone point me at it? | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Timo: I'm pondering that too. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I've taken all my utterances on IRC over the years, and made them into a dictionary. | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | It must be some sort of bayesian structure to it, as it suggests next word too | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | About half the words are typos :/ | 15:02 |
| Timo | I just want a Dutch dict... | 15:02 |
| Timo | ShadowJK: It uses Nuance XT9 most probably, see /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/Xt9CpInputHandler.qml | 15:03 |
| Timo | But in that file there's nothing like a refer to a folder... :/ | 15:03 |
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| Aard | https://together.jolla.com/ | 15:05 |
| Pnuu | yay! | 15:06 |
| Morpog | cool | 15:07 |
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| Morpog | how to get a user there Aard? | 15:09 |
| Morpog | ok I'm blind | 15:09 |
| Aard | use your jolla account | 15:10 |
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| Morpog | seems to need 2 enter keys for a linebreak on firefox | 15:17 |
| Pnuu | any way to change login-name? | 15:20 |
| Morpog | you can uodate profile | 15:21 |
| Pnuu | where? | 15:21 |
| Morpog | click on your username top left | 15:22 |
| Morpog | then update profile, next to your avatar | 15:22 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 15:22 |
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| Pnuu | okay, screen name wasn't the same as the username I have in the phone, so no probs :-) | 15:23 |
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| Morpog | hey, that jolla 2 gether is like a role playing game, rofl | 15:39 |
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| Milo- | Can you prevent accidentally closing down your Jolla, when the phone is locked? Pressing shutdown button for few seconnds currently shuts down the phone, even when locked. | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: sounds like a perfectly legit question to post on http://together.jolla.com :) | 15:54 |
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| Milo- | I was, but then I bailed before pressing submit. | 15:54 |
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| Timo | Hmm, the dictionaries seem to be nowhere. :P | 15:55 |
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| Timo | I crawled the whole FS from my laptop and couldn't find anything related to XT9. | 15:56 |
| Milo- | wohoo! my first post has a follower already. but oh wait. it's me. | 15:56 |
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| Milo- | one more issue comes to mind, but it's strictly DNA-related. | 15:58 |
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| Milo- | Are there people here who use DNA's SMTP-server for outgoing email? have you been able to send email using jolla's email client with those DNA's settings? | 16:00 |
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| * fk_lx follows Aard on together.jolla.com \o/ ;-) | 16:06 | |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps I'm confused by your "Crash when linking contacts" question :) | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: my wife hit the issue too :P | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | reply if you've seen it too :) | 16:30 |
| Milo- | I'm confused because I reported it to you while back :) | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:30 |
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| Andy80 | I hope you don't mind if I'm "spamming" together.jolla.com with proposals :D | 16:34 |
| winfriedd | Milo: same SMTP issue here with my Dutch provider | 16:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i've made an example 'bug' in together.jolla.com - if you have anything like it, please submit along these lines: https://together.jolla.com/question/346/crash-when-linking-contacts/ | 16:35 |
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| Milo- | I'm getting double notifications for all "followed" articles at together.jolla.com | 16:39 |
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| Frye | what? together open? | 16:47 |
| Frye | I have been spending too much time for this xmas stuff it seems :D | 16:47 |
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| eyea | jOlla )0ola joh | 16:49 |
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| eyea | any one using aaic irc client on jolla handset | 16:51 |
| eyea | yaaic | 16:51 |
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| eyea | I meant | 16:52 |
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| pcfe | not yet, got my Jolla yesterday. I will be looking for a decent IRC client that can deal with connecting to a server over SSL where the CA cert signing that cert has been imoported (guess I'll be looking forst at getting my own cert in, then IRC) so I can speak to my IRC proxy | 16:55 |
| eyea | Good | 16:56 |
| eyea | go via f-droid | 16:56 |
| eyea | to get yaaic | 16:57 |
| pcfe | have f-drpid on since later yestareday evening | 16:57 |
| eyea | ok | 16:57 |
| eyea | nice | 16:57 |
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| pcfe | will go that route if no native one turns up and I fail to build irssi or another good client myself | 16:57 |
| eyea | ok | 16:58 |
| juergbi | is it possible to add a second mobile phone number to a contact? | 17:00 |
| pcfe | let me try (still looking for a hack to connect to my oiwnCloud where all the contacts are stired) | 17:01 |
| Milo- | juergbi yes | 17:02 |
| pcfe | juergbi: yes, as expected, just hit the '+ Phone' text repeatedly when editing a contact | 17:02 |
| juergbi | Milo-, pfce: that's what i tried, however, mobile doesn't appear in the type menu if there is already a mobile number | 17:03 |
| pcfe | I did try 2 different ones, let me retry fo ya | 17:03 |
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| pcfe | juergbi: you are correct, the already used types disappear from the list when adding more and I can not (yet) find custom labels | 17:04 |
| Milo- | juergbi seems you're right, but you probably want some indicator to know them from apart. | 17:04 |
| Milo- | if they are both just "Mobile", then you probably won't know which one to call at any given time. | 17:05 |
| juergbi | yes, would probably need something like primary mobile phone number or similar | 17:05 |
| Milo- | in which case "Home" and "Mobile" is probably a good indicator. | 17:05 |
| Milo- | well. not good, but adequate. | 17:05 |
| juergbi | interesting, it works for imported contacts | 17:06 |
| pcfe | *nod* a few of my friends have more than one mobile number (those that are in 2 or more countries regularly). TBH custom labels have not been too much fun in the past (as I use a ownCloud server of my own and access it with Andoid, and my KDE) | 17:06 |
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| pcfe | juergbi: OK, that's workable for me | 17:06 |
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| juergbi | while i'm here. what do people use for calendar sync? | 17:07 |
| juergbi | i used google on N9, however, that's not currently an option on jolla, afaict | 17:07 |
| pcfe | speaking of contacts, am I blind, where does the N9 save the address book axpport file, I'm kind of trying to avoid importing 200+ contacts one by one unless it's scriptable. | 17:07 |
| juergbi | pcfe: i simply used bluetooth sync | 17:08 |
| Milo- | I never managed to get google calendar to work on N9, so I used my N900 for calendars. | 17:08 |
| juergbi | MfE worked fine for me | 17:08 |
| pcfe | juergbi: ah, I must have missed the 'send all over BT' on N9 | 17:08 |
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| juergbi | pcfe: settings=>sync on N9 | 17:08 |
| juergbi | only works for contacts, afaict | 17:08 |
| pcfe | juergbi: thank you very much | 17:10 |
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| Chaz6 | Saw this and thought of TOH http://www.gizmag.com/spike-laser-measurement-smartphone/30218/ | 17:10 |
| Chaz6 | Except it's not actually hardware it's just software x.x | 17:11 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Official sites: http://www.jolla.com , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, mail care@jolla.com | Co-creation @ http://together.jolla.com (bugs, ideas, etc) | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://bit.ly/JIcRDm" | 17:15 | |
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| narchie_ | has anyone experienced this bug# | 17:20 |
| narchie_ | the text selection zoom-in just became stuck in zoomed in mode | 17:21 |
| narchie_ | a second reboot seems to have fixed it though | 17:23 |
| nadriel | i put some alu foil between the other half nfc and phone, battery life improved drastically? i tried using the phone a few days without the other half since i'm on holiday and in the middle of nowhere. now nfc won't see the toh but phone is 94% now.. wtf is nfc doing? or what gives? :D oh well, now the battery life is cool! | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not unlikely the daemon hasn't been properly optimised to pwersave the hardware well | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Rather than anything more fundamental | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | nadriel: you could just turn off tohd.service | 17:25 |
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| Nicd- | so you don't have to deal with foil | 17:25 |
| xcv_ | so... I just ordered my Jolla. Where will order updates appear and when should I expect the first one? I'm so anxious to get it! | 17:25 |
| nadriel | Nicd-: even easier that way. :) | 17:25 |
| nadriel | Nicd-: not much funtionality with toh atm so why not. | 17:26 |
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| Nicd- | nadriel: yeah, I stopped tohd.service | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | xcv_; email when it shops, "My orders" on shop.jolla.com | 17:31 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc it says 3-4 weeks to shipping now | 17:31 |
| xcv_ | ShadowJK: Alright, thanks | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | ships* | 17:33 |
| xcv_ | Oh, okay. 3-4 weeks seem a lot, I will need some patience until then | 17:35 |
| Pnuu | xcv_: some of us waited since may ;-) | 17:35 |
| xcv_ | Pnuu: Well, that's true. I'll wait happily though | 17:36 |
| spider-mario | I’m impressed by the on-screen keyboard completion | 17:40 |
| spider-mario | I almost didn’t type anything for my « Joyeux noël à toi aussi » sms (“Merry Christmas to you too”) | 17:40 |
| spider-mario | I typed “Jo” and “au” | 17:40 |
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| ShadowJK | My sister wrote a page full with the completion | 17:46 |
| ShadowJK | didnt make sense, but it was apparently fun to use | 17:47 |
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| Pnuu | :-D | 17:47 |
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| lbt | ShadowJK: does she know that the completion bar scrolls sideways | 17:51 |
| lbt | so now the challenge is completion poetry... | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK | lbt; no, neither did I. | 17:54 |
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| Pnuu | neither did I, but I've never used it anyway.. | 17:57 |
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| pcfe | filesystem question; what do you commonly use for large µSD cards? grep _FS=y /boot/config-3.4.0.20131118.1 came up a bit lighter than what I'd hoped. guess I'll go with ext2 (unless someone made an exFAT for fuse already) | 18:05 |
| Chaz6 | I use exfat and yes there's exfat-fuse | 18:07 |
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| pcfe | Chaz6: K. guess it will anyway be faster to build that and be happy than to re-dump all my music on the card, fast or not for an SD card it still takes ages | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | ext2 and ext3 are kinda bad on flash | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 behaves much better already | 18:16 |
| Chaz6 | I was pleasantly surprised to find my tv supports exfat | 18:17 |
| pcfe | yeah, I know, the card manuf will have tuned their wear leveling for the FS they ship the card with, that's another upside of just building exFAT support and a good reason to get me to set up the IDE | 18:17 |
| Pnuu | non-journaling fs would sound the best choice for sd card, but not sure here | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | It's a complex topic. But essentially, whichever filesystem gives you the best performance when writing stuff, also puts the least wear and tear on the card. | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | Which is why I'd recommend against ext2 :) | 18:20 |
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| M4rtinK | well, I've opted for EXT4 for my 64GB micro SD | 18:25 |
| M4rtinK | btrfs felt a bit too experimental for removable storage :) | 18:26 |
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| Chaz6 | i dont think my tv can read btrfs | 18:27 |
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| suy | I'm a bit scared. I plugged the jolla to the charger while being off, and "fastboot mode" appeared. | 18:46 |
| suy | I can't seem to get it to halt or boot. :-((( Just the big jolla logo with the small "fastboot mode" in a corner | 18:46 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: ^ | 18:47 |
| suy | One of the worst moments of the year to find help, I guess. | 18:48 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: *prod* *prod* | 18:48 |
| suy | I'll try to find the backlog, seems Stskeeps gave advice here | 18:49 |
| Pnuu | suy: just wait if Stskeeps happens to be online tonight, he promised to help :-) | 18:49 |
| ShadowJK | He was still concious 2 h ago | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK | well, people should be at home and ave heaps of free time :D | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK | *have | 18:49 |
| FireFly | suy: you didn't happen to hold down the volume button while booting it or something? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | suy: just pull battery | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | Still alive! | 18:52 |
| suy | Stskeeps: just that? :) ok, I thought that would be the worst option | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | naah | 18:53 |
| suy | FireFly: maybe. I grabbed it without really looking | 18:53 |
| Quu | yay | 18:53 |
| M4rtinK | another plus of the Jolla device hardware | 18:54 |
| Quu | my phone dies if i press near the front camera | 18:54 |
| Quu | yay. | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | you CAN pull the battery :) | 18:54 |
| FireFly | M4rtinK: haha. I still think it's sad that that isn't a given for phones nowadays | 18:54 |
| suy | Stskeeps: ok, thank you. I did it and works as expected :) | 18:54 |
| suy | so, the fastboot is the bootloader? and is triggered with the volume key? | 18:55 |
| FireFly | suy: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 holding down the volume buttons triggers "flasher mode" or "boot from recovery partition" | 18:56 |
| Pnuu | aargh | 18:56 |
| FireFly | "Fastboot mode (volume down + put USB in)" I guess they didn't think that'd be easy to trigger accidentally :p | 18:56 |
| suy | FireFly: oh, thank you :) | 18:57 |
| Pnuu | trying to "clear" my previous phone after using only jolla for 2 weeks | 18:57 |
| Pnuu | man this is hard :-D | 18:57 |
| suy | BTW, besides forums, is there some mailing list for jolla/sailfish os? I'm not a fan of forums... :-/ | 18:57 |
| suy | (I intend to develop, too, or at least lurk development thinghies) | 18:58 |
| Quu | forums are always horrible | 18:59 |
| Pnuu | suy: yes there are, and there's also #sailfishos irc channel | 19:00 |
| lbt | and https://together.jolla.com/ | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | and that | 19:00 |
| lbt | which is not a forum | 19:00 |
| * lbt is not a forum fan either | 19:00 | |
| Pnuu | count me too | 19:00 |
| suy | heh :) | 19:01 |
| lbt | Thoughts on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/427/break-down-your-ideasfeature-requests/#post-id-496 | 19:01 |
| Pnuu | suy: I'll try to grep the mailing lists from the logs | 19:01 |
| lbt | devel@lists.sailfishos.org | 19:02 |
| lbt | ? | 19:02 |
| flux | meh, I mistyped my account to together and now it is what it is :) | 19:02 |
| Pnuu | https://sailfishos.org/develop-support.html | 19:02 |
| suy | Pnuu: yay! thank you! | 19:02 |
| lbt | better :) | 19:02 |
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| Pnuu | combination of grep and google, that one :-D | 19:03 |
| flux | (it seems it's not possible to change or recreate it. meh indeed :).) | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | flux: oh, I asked about that earlier | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | just a sec | 19:04 |
| flux | seems that quite some work was put into implementing the service | 19:04 |
| flux | many features, many views | 19:05 |
| Pnuu | 17:21 < Morpog> you can uodate profile | 19:07 |
| flux | oh, indeed | 19:07 |
| Pnuu | 17:22 < Morpog> click on your username top left | 19:07 |
| Pnuu | 17:22 < Morpog> then update profile, next to your avatar | 19:07 |
| flux | I went through menus but missed that one | 19:07 |
| flux | as I said, there are so many ;-) | 19:07 |
| flux | pnuu, thanks! | 19:07 |
| Pnuu | no prob :-) | 19:07 |
| Quu | pewpew | 19:08 |
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| pcfe | hmm, I seem to be unable to find the UI control for importing a CA certificate. Where can I RTFM to import via CLI | 19:27 |
| pcfe | hmm, I seem to be unable to find the UI control for importing a CA certificate. Where can I RTFM to import via CLI | 19:27 |
| pcfe | oops | 19:27 |
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| FireFly | Argh! "This is a minor edit; don't notify others" should probably be the default (if not forced) for comments.. :\ I find myself accidentally spamming people with minor edits all the time | 19:55 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks, me again. | 19:57 |
| msknight | More crap to throw the way of any dev listenin! | 19:58 |
| msknight | We're on very low power here. The high winds wrecked our power lines so they have us on a low power connection so who knows how long this will last. | 19:58 |
| msknight | So ... to begin ... wi-fi settings. I previously reported that the Jolla was forgetting settings after the battery was removed. This was incorrect. | 19:59 |
| msknight | It is having moments where it is displaying no saved networks at all, however. | 19:59 |
| msknight | Also, I have been within range of a hidden network, and when it has shown the saves networks, the hidden network is shown as "off" in the wi-fi list, and it wouldn't let me turn it on. | 20:00 |
| FireFly | msknight: btw, this thing lauched https://together.jolla.com/ (basically stackoverflow for jolla), which I think serves sort-of as a bugtracker | 20:00 |
| FireFly | /place-to-post-enhancement-suggestions | 20:00 |
| msknight | Also, regarding the camera ... to switch between still and video ... the button brings down the menu ... when there are only two options ... shouldn't it just toggle? | 20:00 |
| msknight | Ah. They've made a place for us to report thing! Yahoo! | 20:01 |
| msknight | Thanks FireFly | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:unanswered/sort:activity-desc/tags:bug/page:1/ , use tag 'bug' to help us find | 20:01 |
| FireFly | msknight: re. camera, having clicking cycle between alternatives would be useful I think | 20:02 |
| FireFly | (even when ≥2 alternatives, as with flash for instance) | 20:02 |
| FireFly | you could always drag the buttons down if you want full control over choices | 20:02 |
| msknight | I do LOVE the fact that it remembers the flash setting. As an amateur photographer, I hate on-axis flash, but on the X6 I had to turn the flash off every time I started the camera. | 20:03 |
| msknight | There is another video going up to my YouTube showing the wi-fi problem. | 20:04 |
| msknight | Hopefully, it will get up before we lose power again. | 20:05 |
| msknight | Only another 3 hours remaining! | 20:05 |
| FireFly | agreed about it remembering the settings | 20:07 |
| FireFly | Camera settings, I mean | 20:07 |
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| Quu | would be awesome to have preset-settings in camera | 20:08 |
| Quu | and maybe get to them from the cover-thingie | 20:09 |
| Quu | swipe to left = flash, right = no flash and diffrent type of focus | 20:09 |
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| msknight | Man .. after all the stuff that I've got to put up, my karma is going to be through the floor! | 20:12 |
| FireFly | :D | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | the one you're standing on, or the neighbour's upstairs? ;) | 20:13 |
| msknight | The karma on the forum you two have just pointed me to :-) | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:14 |
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| msknight | Ironically, the one machine I can't get to, is my low power client and that has the ideas file on it. | 20:14 |
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| msknight | It is plugged in to an APC UPS and the UPS doesn't like the low power supply. | 20:14 |
| msknight | Before I ask - is there a setting to stop automatic other half "reading"? | 20:15 |
| Pnuu | yes! | 20:16 |
| msknight | Please! Where is it? | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | and that one lowers the battery use by ~75 % | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | juust a sec | 20:16 |
| Pnuu | devel-su systemctl mask tohd.service | 20:17 |
| Pnuu | devel-su systemctl stop tohd.service | 20:17 |
| msknight | I@m keeping my sticky paws out of development. | 20:17 |
| Pnuu | from: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 20:17 |
| msknight | I want to report things from an end-user perspective. | 20:18 |
| msknight | I turned thr brightness way down, and that helped battery consumption greatly. | 20:18 |
| Pnuu | then apply some tin foil or remove the nfc tag from the other half | 20:18 |
| Pnuu | naaah, that's just peanuts! | 20:18 |
| Pnuu | this TOH NFC tag stuff really saves something | 20:19 |
| Pnuu | in my experience, the savings are in the order of 75 % | 20:19 |
| Quu | i have seen no improvement | 20:19 |
| Pnuu | (previously: -20 % in 11 h of idle, with the tohd.sercive stopped -4 % in 11 h) | 20:20 |
| Pnuu | Quu: you're doing it wrong | 20:20 |
| msknight | Damn. I think my low power PC is dead. | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | storm hitting UK badly? | 20:21 |
| Pnuu | msknight: but check that blogspot link, and read all the comments | 20:21 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: looks like that :-/ | 20:21 |
| Pnuu | http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/bracka.html | 20:21 |
| Pnuu | that low pressure center is just deeeeep | 20:22 |
| msknight | Yes, it hit us badly. Power supply took a heavy knock in the South of the UK. | 20:22 |
| Pnuu | huuricane-deep, but ofc not so steep | 20:22 |
| msknight | I'm not sure if some of my equipment is fried, or whether it is just because they are supplying us with low strength power just to get us through. | 20:22 |
| msknight | My A10 processor is running, but my Fit PC is useless, and that's only chewing 20W. | 20:22 |
| msknight | Trees coming down took out a lot of power lines, as most of our power cables run over land. | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: http://together.jolla.com | 20:29 |
| Morpog_Jolla | does pic upload to twitter work for anyone? | 20:30 |
| Pnuu | whoa, where did I get that second badge | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_Jolla: is it png | 20:30 |
| msknight | Urk, I have 1 silver and 3 bronze badges. | 20:30 |
| Morpog_Jolla | jpg | 20:30 |
| Morpog_Jolla | oh no its png | 20:31 |
| Morpog_Jolla | can i convert on device? | 20:31 |
| Pnuu | me wants imagemagick | 20:31 |
| Pnuu | oh, an upvote! | 20:36 |
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| msknight | Wow. A gold badge! | 20:38 |
| Coder|jolla | hi! | 20:38 |
| Pnuu | badger badger | 20:39 |
| Pnuu | hola! | 20:39 |
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| FireFly | msknight: ooh :o | 20:39 |
| Coder|jolla | I have trouble connecting to my friends wifi, tips for troubleshooting? | 20:39 |
| Coder|jolla | it just says unable too connect instantly when I try | 20:40 |
| Pnuu | Coder|jolla: what security scheme? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/ | 20:40 |
| msknight | Coder|jolla: turn the phone off, then on again, and instantly try to connect. | 20:40 |
| Coder|jolla | network is using wpa or wpa2 | 20:40 |
| Coder|jolla | oki, brb | 20:41 |
| Pnuu | I have wpa2 here, should work | 20:42 |
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| FireFly | "Down-swiping with the phone in my hand is really, really awkward." ← it's not just me! | 20:42 |
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| HtheB | hi all | 20:42 |
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| msknight | Yup - me as well. | 20:43 |
| msknight | Conflicts with aps that have pull downs as well. | 20:43 |
| msknight | Drive me batty. | 20:43 |
| Pnuu | go and upvote! | 20:43 |
| msknight | I made the suggestion :-) | 20:43 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: hi ya | 20:43 |
| msknight | Suggestion: Right swipe to close | 20:44 |
| HtheB | sup all | 20:44 |
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| Coder|jolla | woo | 20:45 |
| Coder|jolla | rebooting worked :p | 20:45 |
| HtheB | guys, what android apps do you want | 20:45 |
| HtheB | I will DL the apk's | 20:46 |
| msknight | Youtube! | 20:46 |
| HtheB | ok, DL'ing | 20:46 |
| msknight | Also ... um ... navigation. I really miss sat nav | 20:46 |
| HtheB | Got Sygic :) | 20:46 |
| HtheB | works perfect | 20:46 |
| msknight | Sygic? Is that in the Yandex store? | 20:46 |
| HtheB | no... play store | 20:47 |
| Coder|jolla | I got both netflix and youtube to work! | 20:47 |
| vegai | anyone else seen that it's impossible to download from Yandex store anything beyond 3MB? | 20:47 |
| Coder|jolla | I installed google play... | 20:47 |
| vegai | or any other symptom of network failures | 20:47 |
| msknight | Ooh - Ooh - OpenScape | 20:47 |
| HtheB | Coder|jolla: not everybody is keen on Google :) | 20:47 |
| Pnuu | vegai: at least firefox downloaded | 20:47 |
| msknight | And "St John". | 20:48 |
| Coder|jolla | I dont have that much against them, I just like to be able to choose :p | 20:48 |
| HtheB | guys, any other apps that you need? | 20:49 |
| msknight | Haven't seen either of those on Yandex. | 20:49 |
| Yomi | Is Swype available? | 20:49 |
| HtheB | no, not yet | 20:49 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: port firefox to native jolla, pls | 20:49 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: not possible | 20:49 |
| Coder|jolla | I'd like the camera to work with android apps... | 20:49 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: it certainly is, but must need a lot of work | 20:50 |
| HtheB | not possible by me * | 20:50 |
| HtheB | Firefox is not possible | 20:50 |
| HtheB | Iceweasel oth could be afaik | 20:50 |
| HtheB | or... whatever it called | 20:50 |
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| Yomi | It's a 30 day trial... Might just be better to somehow add it to the stock keyboard or something. | 20:51 |
| AJAX555 | lynx to jolla! | 20:51 |
| zutto | i vote for links! | 20:51 |
| zutto | or links2 even | 20:51 |
| FireFly | vegai: I've had some issues with randomly being disconnected & reconnected from WLAN when transferring bigger things | 20:52 |
| HtheB | lynx? | 20:52 |
| HtheB | links2? | 20:52 |
| AJAX555 | lynx = text-only web browser | 20:52 |
| AJAX555 | dunno what is in links2 | 20:53 |
| HtheB | ugh -_- | 20:53 |
| HtheB | NEXT | 20:53 |
| zutto | AJAX555: same thing | 20:53 |
| zutto | links2 has intresting features of being able to actually show pictures too | 20:53 |
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| zutto | and the way how links works is faster than how lynx works so thats why i'm voting for links | 20:54 |
| AJAX555 | yeah, so not the same thing!! | 20:54 |
| AJAX555 | lol | 20:54 |
| FireFly | Neither of lynx, links2 and w3m are in the repos :( | 20:54 |
| zutto | but links should work on jolla out of the box, just compile it | 20:54 |
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| zutto | http://links.twibright.com/ if you want to give it a spin | 20:54 |
| zutto | if you do, remember to configure it with -enable-graphics | 20:55 |
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| HtheB | guys | 20:58 |
| HtheB | what apps are usefull (android apps) | 20:58 |
| Pnuu | keepass | 20:58 |
| Quu | HtheB: all the apps | 20:58 |
| HtheB | Quu: gimme names and I'll host them | 20:58 |
| FireFly | Essentially the only android apps I currently have is emulators and a bunch of HIB games | 20:59 |
| Pnuu | but I'm hoping to get a versio not relying on mono-C# on linux.. | 20:59 |
| FireFly | Actually, s/Essentially // :p | 20:59 |
| HtheB | keepass2 added to the list | 20:59 |
| HtheB | I've already got DosBox to work :) | 21:00 |
| HtheB | Windows 98 ftw :P | 21:00 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps: #jolla2gether \o/ | 21:01 |
| sledges | coutryside internet just finishe loadig page :D | 21:01 |
| Pnuu | whee, there was a suggestinon for password manager | 21:03 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: make it keepassX :-) | 21:03 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/697/password-manager-for-sailfish/ | 21:04 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: ghttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android | 21:04 |
| HtheB | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=keepass2android.keepass2android | 21:04 |
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| Pnuu | HtheB: for sailfish | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/346/crash-when-linking-contacts/#post-id-723 :) | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | without alien dalvik | 21:05 |
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| HtheB | Pnuu: go code it then | 21:06 |
| Pnuu | I thought you wanted to port things.. | 21:07 |
| Pnuu | sorry for misunderstanding | 21:07 |
| HtheB | no, never said that | 21:07 |
| Milo- | sorry guys, but porting Mahjong from N9 is far more important than keepass | 21:07 |
| HtheB | i just want to help people out | 21:07 |
| HtheB | that dont wnat to have google play store | 21:07 |
| HtheB | but still wants those apps | 21:07 |
| HtheB | that are on the playstore | 21:07 |
| Pnuu | ah | 21:08 |
| Milo- | I wish I could find the original sources and image files for N9's mahjong. | 21:08 |
| FireFly | HtheB: if that's what you're doing, I wouldn't mind 'Resrobot' (a swedish commuter trafic planning thing) :p | 21:09 |
| HtheB | oke, coming ! :) | 21:09 |
| HtheB | uploading | 21:10 |
| HtheB | FireFly: check om | 21:11 |
| FireFly | "om"? | 21:11 |
| Milo- | oscar mike | 21:11 |
| HtheB | om * | 21:11 |
| HtheB | ugh... | 21:11 |
| HtheB | PPPPPm * | 21:11 |
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| HtheB | anything else guys? | 21:14 |
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| HtheB | nothing else? | 21:19 |
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| Pnuu | I'd prefer native apps, but if you'd add the keepass2 client I'd be pleased :-) | 21:21 |
| HtheB | check pm | 21:23 |
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| HtheB | Quu: you need anything? | 21:24 |
| Quu | HtheB: nah, i can get my own .apk's when needed | 21:25 |
| HtheB | alright :) | 21:25 |
| HtheB | just wnat to host it | 21:25 |
| HtheB | to help the community | 21:25 |
| Quu | sure sure :) | 21:25 |
| ibins | JA LECK MICH AM ARSCH! (translation: honest expression of surprise): together.jolla.com is quite successful and a very nice move of jolla! | 21:26 |
| ibins | Congratiolantions on that! | 21:26 |
| HtheB | ibins: it reminds me of the bugzilla thing back in the Nokia days | 21:26 |
| HtheB | but then, they never replied :( | 21:26 |
| HtheB | and closed all kinds of bugs that were still in there :P | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: BTW, what about a custom Aptoide store ? :) | 21:27 |
| ibins | I think this is the most compressed bug file report repository in a increble short time. | 21:27 |
| Pnuu | in together it's (mostly) all about votes | 21:27 |
| HtheB | never looked into that | 21:27 |
| HtheB | let me see aptoide | 21:27 |
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| M4rtinK | HtheB: I've researched it after seeing it mentioned on TMO | 21:28 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: which is a good thing I'd say | 21:28 |
| ibins | And it goes further: not only bugs are reported: In the comments there are discussions going on | 21:28 |
| Pnuu | FireFly: yeah | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | looks like an appstore framework | 21:28 |
| FireFly | The stackoverflow format probably fits pretty well with "community bug reports slash suggestions" | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: with users being able to make their own stores/APK collections | 21:28 |
| FireFly | (slash questions) | 21:28 |
| ibins | civilized and nice - debating improvements to the UX | 21:28 |
| HtheB | i see | 21:28 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: but I rather keep the files over here | 21:29 |
| smokex | they closed a lot of valid Qt bugs before Qt moved to the project site.. the tracker is still quite a mess as a result | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | FireFly: yeah, probably the best solution in the current timeframe | 21:29 |
| HtheB | what if aptoide closes or.. you know | 21:29 |
| HtheB | everything will be lost | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: well, sure :) | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: I actually have no idea how it works & where the APKs are stored :) | 21:29 |
| ibins | Does not matter: jolla knows about the aching things by now | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: in Aptoide | 21:29 |
| HtheB | me neither :P | 21:30 |
| HtheB | is this channel logged? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | see /topi | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | c | 21:30 |
| HtheB | ugh... then i rather not give a link over here | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | on that Mer logging server IIRC | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | and that's why IRC = documentation :) | 21:31 |
| HtheB | if someone wants a usefull link, pm me :) | 21:31 |
| AJAX555 | btw, has anyone reported that there is no posibility to select audio from SD card to ringtone etc | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | AJAX555: well, it just scans some ringtone folder anyway ? | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO, SD card handling needs to be definitely improved | 21:32 |
| AJAX555 | idk what it scans, but it surely doesn't find any audio from my sd card | 21:32 |
| AJAX555 | yes, yes it needs | 21:32 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: is it possible to run harmattan apps in some way on sailfish? | 21:32 |
| M4rtinK | browsing /run/user/100000/media/sdcard is not very user friendly | 21:32 |
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| M4rtinK | AJAX555: well, I see stuff from SD card in the media app | 21:33 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: I don't think so - no Qt4 & X for starters | 21:34 |
| AJAX555 | yes, as do I, but I can't select those as ringtone or any other | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK | I think if you just copy it to the ringtone folder, it will show them | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK | probably just a "select from media" dialog missing | 21:35 |
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| HtheB | M4rtinK: what if we can get qt4 on jolla | 21:35 |
| AJAX555 | yeah had to copy to music folder when connected to computer | 21:35 |
| HtheB | and some compatibility stuff for x | 21:36 |
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| HtheB | some rough hack | 21:36 |
| HtheB | like alien dalvik | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | HtheB: but I would guess once marmistrz gets hacking, we might get some of them working :) | 21:36 |
| M4rtinK | well, could be a nice hacking journey :) | 21:36 |
| HtheB | because I want Whatsup on sailfih | 21:36 |
| HtheB | but the problem is that CepiPerez got robbed :( | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | well if you have source, making it work on Qt5 should be doable | 21:37 |
| HtheB | they attacked him in his kiosk, took his phone, netbook and all his money | 21:37 |
| HtheB | so he lost the source | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | there is QtQuick 1.0 in Qt5 for backward compatibility | 21:37 |
| HtheB | he told that he could make it again, but he doesn't have a pc :( | 21:37 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's the sad situation :-( | 21:38 |
| smokex | the underlying c++ code can mostly be used verbatim | 21:38 |
| smokex | it would just be a matter of writing a silica ui | 21:38 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: source of what? | 21:38 |
| HtheB | Whatsup... | 21:38 |
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| Pnuu | and it was only on those devices...? | 21:39 |
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| msknight | Oops. I think we've overloaded the together.jolla.com site :-) | 21:39 |
| pp_ | yep, nice @ together, tho I can see it becoming hard to navigate soon | 21:39 |
| HtheB | he does have a source afaik | 21:39 |
| HtheB | but it's an old one | 21:39 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: fail | 21:39 |
| HtheB | fail or not... I feel bad for him | 21:39 |
| Pnuu | msknight: yea, it's hard to keep up! | 21:39 |
| HtheB | he doesnt have a job now, no phone, no pc, | 21:40 |
| HtheB | and has to take care of his family | 21:40 |
| HtheB | he did port all kinds of games, | 21:40 |
| HtheB | made an awesome file manager (filecase and filebox) | 21:40 |
| Pnuu | whatsapp is one of the things I first heard about after joining this channel a week ago | 21:42 |
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| Pnuu | I guess there's not much use for it in .fi | 21:42 |
| HtheB | it's been used worldwide everywhere | 21:42 |
| HtheB | over 400 million users | 21:43 |
| AJAX555 | I have never used it | 21:43 |
| AJAX555 | dont even know what it looks like | 21:43 |
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| ShadowJK | just laughed a bit hen i took jolla off charger and unlocked it, all 4 running apps were landscape mode :) | 21:43 |
| HtheB | ShadowJK: lol | 21:43 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: I don't even know what it does! :-D | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: did you remove the tutorial app? | 21:43 |
| ShadowJK | no | 21:43 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: its just a messaging service | 21:43 |
| msknight | OK - got to hit bed. Night all! | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: .. wtf | 21:43 |
| HtheB | where you use the phone number | 21:43 |
| AJAX555 | Pnuu: well, I'm actually not sure either | 21:44 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: can i ask for a screenshot? | 21:44 |
| HtheB | like normal text messaging | 21:44 |
| AJAX555 | but I guess it is about IM | 21:44 |
| Yaniel | it tries to replace sms&mms | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps: they were supposed to be landscape | 21:44 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: centralized and thus centrally log'd? | 21:44 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: yup :P | 21:45 |
| HtheB | but again: I dont care | 21:45 |
| Pnuu | ngh | 21:45 |
| HtheB | dont have anything to hide | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: okay.. | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:45 |
| pp_ | Pnuu: It's encrypted! | 21:45 |
| pp_ | (badly, at least initially) | 21:45 |
| HtheB | but it is encrypted | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | that was the amusing part, jolla full of unjolla landscape | 21:45 |
| HtheB | pp_ beated me | 21:45 |
| pp_ | badly, as in rot13 v2.0 :-) | 21:45 |
| Yaniel | meh that is meaningless if they have the key | 21:46 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: I think the selling point of whatsapp is "free 'SMS'" basically | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | almost free | 21:46 |
| FireFly | I know about it because my younger siblings talk about it (and "kick") all the time | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | not totally so they don't need ads to keep running | 21:47 |
| Turski | getting quite a load of 502's from together... | 21:47 |
| FireFly | Ah | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | fingerterm, because irc, and kbd easier in landscape.. opera bevause working tabs :D | 21:47 |
| Pnuu | pp_: rot13 v2.0 :-D | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | (is what they say at least) | 21:47 |
| pp_ | Pnuu: yea, rc4 with the key reused both ways or whatnot | 21:47 |
| Pnuu | "I'll rot it twice!" | 21:47 |
| Yaniel | it's like $1 per year | 21:47 |
| Turski | Pnuu: :) | 21:48 |
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| ShadowJK | screen is like a book, works better if i lick my fingers first | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC, Whatsapp used/uses(?) IMEII as password | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | so anyone who knows you IMEII can impersonate you :) | 21:51 |
| Yaniel | ehh | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | oh, here it is: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/09/08/2126234/whatsapp-is-using-imei-numbers-as-passwords | 21:52 |
| Pnuu | sounds nice... | 21:52 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: not anymore | 21:52 |
| HtheB | VERY old news | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | well I myself see all those centralized & proprietary IM services as a huge regression | 21:53 |
| pp_ | if you use android, everyone knows your imei :-) | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | so I'm trying to use Jabber where possible | 21:53 |
| pp_ | (pretty much every crappy app broadcasts it out in plaintext) | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | due to being federated & open | 21:53 |
| HtheB | M4rtinK: a 'normal' person who goes with other normal persons doesnt know anything about jabber | 21:53 |
| Yaniel | I should take a look at jabber sometime | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, here they might be still using ICQ :) | 21:54 |
| HtheB | icq? does that still exist? lol | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | well or lately just Facebook/Twitter | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, still running most probably | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | used to be huge in Czech Republic :) | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | also in a few other countries | 21:55 |
| HtheB | like Netherland s:P | 21:55 |
| HtheB | I hacked a lot of people back then | 21:55 |
| HtheB | haha | 21:55 |
| HtheB | using Sub7 | 21:55 |
| Pnuu | bad you | 21:56 |
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| M4rtinK | was also plaintext by default, wasn't it ? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh sub7.. | 21:56 |
| HtheB | good old days =) | 21:56 |
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| HtheB | no one had antivirus apps, no one knew even how exactly pc's worked :P | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | well, unless it is using some sort of OTR, it is not really secure even if encrypted in transport to server | 21:57 |
| HtheB | so... it was the good times to hack all you can | 21:57 |
| friese | humm, thanks for making me feel old for still using icq/msn - though just as jabber transports ;) | 21:58 |
| ShadowJK | i remember a irc chan where we hacked people and tried convince them to fix their shit | 21:58 |
| Pnuu | HtheB: "no-one" still knows know how OSs work | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | nor computers actually | 21:58 |
| HtheB | Pnuu: you get the point :) | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | much less the internet | 21:59 |
| HtheB | it was way easier to hack joeavarage | 21:59 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | M4rtinK: you can browse the sdcard with cargo dock app | 22:01 |
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| Pnuu | yay, I just won "one-more-glass-of-drink-award" it seems | 22:02 |
| pdanek1 | IRC logs, cool, finally! | 22:03 |
| Pnuu | pdanek1: goo luck finding anything relevant :-) | 22:04 |
| Pnuu | +d | 22:04 |
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| viq | Is NFC really only for Other Half detection? No way around it? | 22:07 |
| Pnuu | in what way? | 22:08 |
| viq | Say by having Other Half with NFC hardware. | 22:09 |
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| Pnuu | I'm still not sure what's the question, but you can disable the nfc daemon | 22:12 |
| Pnuu | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 22:12 |
| Yaniel | I think he is after bt pairing/nfc payment/whatever | 22:13 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1400402#post1400402 | 22:13 |
| HtheB | please read guys | 22:13 |
| smokex | yeah its only for other half detection | 22:13 |
| smokex | the antennas range is so short it could never be used for pairing | 22:14 |
| viq | Yaniel: indeed | 22:14 |
| smokex | or payment etc | 22:14 |
| viq | Bah. "Extension interfaces for wireless NFC" is somewhat misleading then... | 22:15 |
| Pnuu | I don't know what's the intended use, but the limited range (duh, evident for nfc) should be enough for "tough" pairing and/or payment | 22:16 |
| pp_ | heh @ http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/joulun-kuvaviestit-aiheuttavat-viiveita-elisan-verkossa/651871/ | 22:16 |
| Pnuu | for pairing, ofcourse for only sending the credentials or something like that | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | viq: It's not - there is a connector for a larger antenna on TOH as I understand it. | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Clamp your other device to it and use the vibrator | 22:17 |
| pp_ | summary in english, finnish operator overloaded with xmas mms's | 22:17 |
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| Pnuu | viq: as SpeedEvil said, it's for the other side (TOH) comms | 22:18 |
| Pnuu | pp_: good thing it doesn't work with jolla ;-D | 22:18 |
| viq | SpeedEvil: hm, ok. Though some posts on mailing lists I encountered seem to suggest there isn't really API in the system for that, any idea about that/ | 22:18 |
| viq | ? | 22:18 |
| pp_ | tohd didn't see my helsinki bus card, at least (even in proximity, ran it with -v) | 22:18 |
| Pnuu | viq: best choice is to post to together.jolla.com | 22:19 |
| pp_ | where see == didn't trigger any debug prints | 22:19 |
| Trizt | AL13N_work: think there is a flaw in your statement, start skype and another android app, you will see the user to get online on skype, when you exit the other app with the back button till the dalvik display disappears, the skype user will get offline. | 22:19 |
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| Pnuu | pp_: nice to know | 22:19 |
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| pp_ | tried to figure out whether the battery suck was anything obvious | 22:20 |
| pp_ | suppose "keep device open" was enough, strace looked clean | 22:20 |
| viq | Pnuu: ok, thanks | 22:20 |
| Pnuu | I think my helsinki area bus card is 800 south of me.. | 22:20 |
| Pnuu | 800 km | 22:20 |
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| smokex | the nfc daemon is the cause of the battery drain | 22:20 |
| Yaniel | one at least | 22:21 |
| viq | Pnuu: uhm, I'm getting just a blank page... | 22:21 |
| smokex | it continuously polls the nfc chip once an other half is detected... | 22:21 |
| smokex | when obv it shouldn't | 22:21 |
| AJAX555 | how much does disabling nfc daemon help on battery drain? | 22:21 |
| AJAX555 | because I dont see any point keeping it on with this white other half | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | AJAX555: it seems to halve it or so | 22:21 |
| AJAX555 | oh | 22:21 |
| smokex | 75% increase in battery life by disabling the daemon | 22:21 |
| AJAX555 | time to disable | 22:21 |
| AJAX555 | lol | 22:21 |
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| smokex | at least thats what was reported by a few people yesterday | 22:22 |
| Quu | i see no improvement. | 22:22 |
| Pnuu | viq: it should be online, opens for me | 22:22 |
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| AJAX555 | well, I am willing to test it | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | AJAX555: I went from about 12 hours battery life to about 200. | 22:22 |
| Yaniel | I'm still at 57% after a day of normal use | 22:22 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: for me, 11 h of idle 20 % -> 4 % | 22:23 |
| FireFly | That's impressive | 22:23 |
| viq | Pnuu: I'll try with different browser then | 22:23 |
| Yaniel | as opposed to 15 | 22:23 |
| Pnuu | so quite(tm) significant | 22:23 |
| AJAX555 | sweet | 22:23 |
| Milhouse | oh dear, together.jolla.com gone down? | 22:23 |
| FireFly | I'm getting an empty white page at any rate | 22:24 |
| Milhouse | same here | 22:24 |
| Pnuu | confirmed :-/ | 22:24 |
| viq | Another thing, anyone knows if VoIP is present/planned ? | 22:24 |
| Pnuu | viq: sorry about the "yea, I have connection" :-/ | 22:24 |
| Quu | viq: iirc there was some "internet call" ringtone, by jolla | 22:25 |
| friese | viq: i think i heard, some people already got that working, the config needs to be done on cmd-line though... | 22:25 |
| viq | Pnuu: sure, no problem | 22:25 |
| viq | Ah, interesting. | 22:25 |
| friese | basically i think jolla supports sofiasip like harmattan | 22:25 |
| tanghus | And https://together.jolla.com/ is on it's knees ;) | 22:25 |
| viq | And (Open)VPN ? | 22:26 |
| Pnuu | "it worked just before" -> it still works :-P | 22:26 |
| phaeron | being upgraded | 22:26 |
| AJAX555 | there, disabled | 22:26 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: wellcome to the longside! | 22:27 |
| AJAX555 | sweet thanks! ;D | 22:27 |
| Yaniel | we are out of cookies but enjoy your stay anyway | 22:27 |
| Pnuu | omnom | 22:28 |
| viq | While I'm here, is there a way to add certificates to the system? | 22:28 |
| AJAX555 | is okay, I have been eating lots of christmas food today (Y) | 22:28 |
| Pnuu | still: my sony 'droid doesn't recognice double-tap | 22:28 |
| viq | I'm using CACert for my stuff, but it's not recognized | 22:28 |
| Yaniel | Pnuu: hehe, neither do iphones | 22:29 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: brb! my best was ham-(salted-salmon)-(cold-smoked-salmon)-(whitefish-eggs-with-onion)-on-a-ryer-bread | 22:30 |
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| AJAX555 | heh | 22:31 |
| Quu | damn you people | 22:32 |
| Quu | now im hungry | 22:32 |
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| Pnuu | Quu: 8-) | 22:33 |
| viq | It's a shame the email client doesn't support threads, IMAP IDLE, and doesn't offer an option to _not_ send HTML email... | 22:34 |
| spider-mario | and not to load images automatically | 22:35 |
| spider-mario | also, it frequently fails syncs | 22:36 |
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| Pnuu | viq: there was an issue about that at together already, but, well, it's down | 22:36 |
| spider-mario | I can’t get it to send a message at all | 22:36 |
| viq | well, it's up and down | 22:36 |
| viq | and yeah, browsed through some issues there already | 22:37 |
| Pnuu | together seems to gone back to internal-logins-only :-/ | 22:37 |
| Pnuu | doesn't approve my login | 22:38 |
| FireFly | Interesting.. apparently Yandex was the only thing depending on Alien Dalvik | 22:40 |
| FireFly | You'd think the android applications I've installed would depend on it (and therefore causing it to not be removed when I removed Yandex) | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | FireFly: yeah - that's a bit derpy. :) | 22:42 |
| FireFly | and now Alien Dalvik/"Android support" seems to not want to install. great :P | 22:43 |
| FireFly | maybe just some temporary hiccup | 22:43 |
| phaeron | Pnuu: back now | 22:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | FireFly: I just reinstalled yandex | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 22:49 |
| parasemic | As the together site people seem to be a bit quiet in the commenting, I'd like to hear if you experience same bugs etc about keyboard as I do? https://together.jolla.com/question/656/keyboard-bugschangesideas/ | 22:49 |
| parasemic | also, i'd love a few vote ups, so that wouldnt get buried under the mass of "one sentence whine" -topics | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't used it that much. | 22:50 |
| Pnuu | phaeron: ? | 22:50 |
| phaeron | Pnuu: together.jolla.com is back online now :) | 22:51 |
| Pnuu | phaeron: ah, good to know :-) | 22:51 |
| parasemic | also pls go vote this up so we get the cutespotify volume controls asap https://together.jolla.com/question/421/qaudiooutput-isnt-integrated-with-system-volume-and-libresource-like-qmediaplayer/ | 22:51 |
| Pnuu | (I was grepping what did I forget..) | 22:52 |
| parasemic | btw, happy xmas everyone! :D | 22:52 |
| FireFly | happy christmas to you too | 22:52 |
| FireFly | or merry, whatever | 22:52 |
| viq | marry? ;) | 22:53 |
| Pnuu | yea, happy darkest-day-of-the-year :-) | 22:54 |
| Pnuu | but that was, on the N-hemishpere 3 days ago :-/ | 22:54 |
| viq | I think that was two days ago or so ;) | 22:54 |
| Pnuu | 2, 3, something :-) | 22:54 |
| parasemic | is anyone else amused about the fact the together site is basically a rip off of reddit functions? D: | 22:55 |
| parasemic | :D* | 22:55 |
| parasemic | and can you pls comment something about my walloftext about keyboards, i really wanna know if you have same issues | 22:55 |
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| Pnuu | parasemic: I don't understand reddit pages at all | 22:56 |
| viq | reddit? my first thought was stackexchange | 22:56 |
| Pnuu | viq: yes! | 22:56 |
| Pnuu | or stackoverflow | 22:56 |
| parasemic | well karma points, awards, voting topics up/down are all basically like reddit | 22:56 |
| parasemic | dunno about stackexchange | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | sounds like slashdot | 22:56 |
| Pnuu | reddit, twitter and facebook are things that I've never understood | 22:57 |
| viq | erm, that, yeah | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Twitter is useful in principle. | 22:57 |
| viq | (stackoverflow. me needz brainzz, erm, sleep) | 22:57 |
| Pnuu | twitter is something like irc, but harder to use | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It is great for coordinating teams to do something wehn they may have mixed and very limited connectivity. | 22:58 |
| parasemic | seriously, could someone please tell me if they have same issues about keyboard? :DD | 22:58 |
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| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: yeah, in a way. #channel_name vs. #hashtag | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | parasemic: I'm at the moment trying to take several meg of IRC logs and parse them into words I use. | 22:59 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: takes some time to cathcup :-) | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | parasemic: Initial conclusions - I can't spell separate. | 23:00 |
| Pnuu | SpeedEvil: you just did! | 23:00 |
| viq | parasemic: did you try doing dot after autocompletion? I think it does place it properly | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | err - the other way | 23:00 |
| Pnuu | sorry, renee zellweger runing in tiger-undies | 23:01 |
| parasemic | viq what do you mean? | 23:01 |
| viq | parasemic: also if you hold space it lets you change language quickly. As for haptic stuff - that's the first thing I turn off on any phone, together with keyboard sounds | 23:01 |
| parasemic | i personally dont give a single damn about the predicion, i want it gone and never see its ugly face again :D | 23:02 |
| parasemic | prediction* | 23:02 |
| viq | parasemic: you press the word to select autocompletion, it places space after it, now you press . or , and it appears after the word without a space in between them | 23:02 |
| parasemic | as you can see, the 2 last comments aren't mine but from one commentor | 23:02 |
| viq | oh, "by ozymandias" | 23:03 |
| viq | parasemic: in my defence I'll just repeat, me needz brainzz, erm, sleep | 23:03 |
| parasemic | ah, the site if down again | 23:03 |
| parasemic | is* | 23:03 |
| parasemic | oh its not | 23:03 |
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| parasemic | just "view more comments" is bugged and asks for login | 23:04 |
| Pnuu | it is :-/ | 23:04 |
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| phaeron | temporary hiccup :) | 23:06 |
| Milo- | Now here is an idea what can't be mentioned on Together. | 23:06 |
| parasemic | basically its more fun to stuff a stick of ice up my ass than write anything on Jolla, as a) i cant trust the haptics one bit b) i have to manually turn to upper case letters all the time c) keep on putting dots in place of spaces and d) cant even fix the dots without hassle as the text is locked to the current word :D | 23:06 |
| Milo- | Jolla needs the same kind of back cover you could find from old Nokia E71. ( http://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/nokia/nokia-e71-02.jpg ) | 23:06 |
| Milo- | Now please someone, make an other half like that. Aluminium with hint of rubber. | 23:07 |
| parasemic | doubt this is the right place to ask either :p but a nice idea | 23:07 |
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| Pnuu | temporary (11 h, -ish) down time for me, currently at 90 %, excpecting 85 % when waking up | 23:09 |
| Pnuu | gnight all | 23:09 |
| viq | Oh, yeah, another thing I encountered - anyone knows whether WPA Enterprise is supported? | 23:09 |
| FIQ | <parasemic> i personally dont give a single damn about the predicion, i want it gone and never see its ugly face again :D | 23:09 |
| FIQ | sounds like me | 23:09 |
| FIQ | can't you turn it off in settings or something? | 23:09 |
| Pnuu | viq: no | 23:09 |
| Pnuu | and, -> | 23:10 |
| viq | Pnuu: thanks. Any idea whether it's planned? | 23:10 |
| FireFly | viq: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/wpa2-pskaes-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ has a workaround | 23:11 |
| FireFly | (according to the comment that corresponds to WPA enterprise) | 23:11 |
| viq | thanks | 23:11 |
| parasemic | omg it hurts my soul how nobody votes or comment on my topic even though its the most viewed one!? | 23:11 |
| viq | ...once it loads ;) | 23:12 |
| FireFly | ah.. it went down again | 23:12 |
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| Milhouse | @parasemic: I was just about to vote on your topic, but the site went down. | 23:12 |
| FIQ | how do you create a jolla account? | 23:13 |
| FIQ | for together | 23:13 |
| FIQ | can't seem to find it anywhere | 23:13 |
| Elleo | FIQ: it uses your general Jolla account | 23:13 |
| parasemic | Milhouse: it seems to be down alot. btw, highlight wont work (for me atleast?) if you use @ in the name | 23:13 |
| Elleo | FIQ: https://account.jolla.com/ | 23:13 |
| FIQ | Elleo: which I don't have | 23:14 |
| FIQ | thus I wondered how to sign up | 23:14 |
| parasemic | FIQ how can you not have one? https://account.jolla.com/ | 23:15 |
| Elleo | FIQ: well, sign up with account.jolla.com then add a bug report to together.jolla.com about the non-obviousness of the sign up procedure ;) | 23:15 |
| FIQ | but there's no sign up button... | 23:15 |
| parasemic | aaaaand.. its back up again | 23:15 |
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| Elleo | FIQ: register, in the top right | 23:15 |
| Elleo | FIQ: https://account.jolla.com/registration/register/ | 23:15 |
| FIQ | Elleo: there's just a weird blueish square there | 23:16 |
| AJAX555 | oh | 23:16 |
| FIQ | ty for direct link | 23:16 |
| FIQ | let me print how it looks for me | 23:16 |
| AJAX555 | I can't tweet from jolla? | 23:16 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: although I'm alread asleep: too much trafic? | 23:16 |
| FIQ | in case I'm being stupid | 23:16 |
| AJAX555 | unless I go to twitter website? | 23:16 |
| parasemic | pnuu: well it wasn't a question :p maybe you're too tired | 23:16 |
| FIQ | http://home.fiq.se/jolla_signup.png am I missing something? :D | 23:16 |
| parasemic | but go vote my topic kkthx xD | 23:16 |
| Elleo | FIQ: yeah, looks like a bug; does clicking the three little arrows drop down a menu or anything? looks sort of like it's giving a mobile version with a hidden menu perhaps? | 23:17 |
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| Elleo | three little lines* | 23:17 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: yes, I am too sleepy, but it was a questionish, but didn't get an answer ;-D | 23:18 |
| FIQ | oh yes, something does happen if I do that | 23:18 |
| FIQ | the site flickers, change width, and then 2 links appear right under it... on the other side | 23:18 |
| FIQ | seems like weird behaviour | 23:18 |
| Pnuu | but I'll try wade through the high-tide @ togehter | 23:19 |
| Pnuu | -typoeing | 23:19 |
| FIQ | but it's *far* from straightforward to understand that it is a button in first place | 23:19 |
| FIQ | just saying :p | 23:19 |
| Elleo | FIQ: yeah, no idea why it shows up like that for you, on actual mobile browsers it doesn't do it | 23:19 |
| Pnuu | now, shirley, it's time to sleep | 23:19 |
| FIQ | using chromium 31 in case that wasn't obvious from screenshot | 23:19 |
| FIQ | customized to zoom 150% | 23:20 |
| FIQ | this might be what causes the issue | 23:20 |
| Elleo | I'm on version 30 without issues | 23:20 |
| Elleo | ah yes | 23:20 |
| FIQ | (i.e. the zoom) | 23:20 |
| Elleo | zoom out and it'll be okay | 23:20 |
| Elleo | I just zoomed in and when it hit 150% it changed | 23:20 |
| Elleo | so I guess they're trying to do something responsive and failing a bit | 23:20 |
| FIQ | yes but then I can't read the page :D | 23:20 |
| Elleo | probably a good idea to file a bug when you've managed to get an account so other people don't hit this too | 23:21 |
| FireFly | Indeed | 23:21 |
| FireFly | that's what together is for :D | 23:21 |
| parasemic | hmm, i think 50 votes a day is a bit too much? 10 would be better | 23:22 |
| Milhouse | crap, you need 50 votes in order to remove a vote? | 23:29 |
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| FIQ | http://home.fiq.se/jolla_login.png this is going well eh :p (btw, rezooming to 100% didn't solve anything) | 23:30 |
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| Milhouse | I think I had to click on "Hi there! Please sign in" at least twice. | 23:32 |
| FIQ | now the page doesn't load at all :P | 23:32 |
| FireFly | I'm not seeing any jolla icon either now, great. | 23:33 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: for when you wake up, something seems to be fishy with the login page for Together (I think you had a finger in that subproject?) | 23:35 |
| parasemic | milhouse wat? | 23:37 |
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| viq | huh, how does one catually sign in into the together page? "click the Jolla icon below", there is no icon below... | 23:51 |
| Morpog_Jolla | there is | 23:53 |
| smokex | maybe your adblock scripts are a bit too inclusive? | 23:54 |
| smokex | or it might have trouble with specific browsers | 23:54 |
| FIQ | I see nothing either... | 23:55 |
| FIQ | [00:34:06] <FireFly> I'm not seeing any jolla icon either now, great. | 23:55 |
| FIQ | and also that | 23:55 |
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| lpotter | sorry. known bug | 23:55 |
| smokex | hm me neither now on fire.. ah ok | 23:56 |
| smokex | looks like the jolla logo on the top menu is cut in half too | 23:57 |
| smokex | on a 1024x768 display | 23:57 |
| viq | how... reliable | 23:58 |
| smokex | fine on the 1366x768 monitor | 23:58 |
| smokex | eh its just some css | 23:58 |
| lbt_ | viq: :D | 23:59 |
| viq | I fired up a firefox profile with no extensions, still see only the jolla logo at the top of the page | 23:59 |
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