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| artemma | [Quite reliable] Flashlight for Sailfish is ready (again). Submitted to harbour, you can try earlier at http://bit.ly/flashlight17 | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | yay! | 00:49 |
| celeron55 | nice | 00:49 |
| Aard | artemma: what changed? | 00:49 |
| artemma | Aard: timings. I tried on a real device and figured tunings that make torch nearly stable in both light and dark conditions | 00:50 |
| artemma | didn't try exactly in daylight though | 00:50 |
| artemma | I also figured out a way to make it even more stable (adjust timings dynamically), but that's for genuary | 00:51 |
| artemma | for january* | 00:51 |
| artemma | real device sort'a helps for working with real device features :) | 00:51 |
| * artemma really thinks Jolla should have been sending prerelease device to developers for free and even arranged an app competition with prizes | 00:52 | |
| Aard | artemma: not really possible for us at that time | 00:52 |
| artemma | that costs, yet I find it hard to believe it's more expensive than delay in apps | 00:52 |
| Aard | it's not only about costs | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 'free' - I have questions about. | 00:53 |
| smokex | they aren't big/rich enough for that yet like nokia was | 00:53 |
| artemma | well, yeah, it needs stable firmware too | 00:53 |
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| celeron55 | they're probably busy trying to make the thing work in the first place 8) | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Even non-free engineering prerelease. But it may be that it's not possible to release as they're only usuable with periodic updates on teh factory flashing rig | 00:53 |
| * artemma was receiving free devices from Nokia and Blackberry in the past and tapped free-devices-to-developers crowd a little. | 00:54 | |
| artemma | technical reasons.. well, then it was impossible | 00:54 |
| Aard | SpeedEvil: there are changelogs on the device. check when we made the factory image :p | 00:54 |
| smokex | it was released within a week of it being stable enough to show publicly I'd wager | 00:54 |
| artemma | could be a good moment to start a dev competition now then | 00:54 |
| artemma | cash flow situation could also be easier nw | 00:54 |
| artemma | now* | 00:54 |
| * artemma paid his own money for device. Yet not everybody is so fanatical and you want those guys too | 00:55 | |
| smokex | they have to pay back their investors | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I will pay $10 for the first fully functioning AI 'Siri-alike' on the device. Must include code to stop it taking over the world. | 00:55 |
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| celeron55 | investors probably aren't so dumb that they'd think you can just skip marketing | 00:56 |
| smokex | so they won't even reach a profit margin until around february at their current rate | 00:57 |
| artemma | Even 200K Eur for, say, 10-30 prizes could start quite a bit of competition taking into account a perceived number of competitors. And you'd get at least few real good apps then | 00:57 |
| artemma | a couple of months earlier than without the prizes | 00:57 |
| artemma | whether several of months of speedup for several high quality apps is worth the investment in prizes is sure a business decision to be taken by management | 00:58 |
| artemma | another ways of support are available too certainly. Like partnering the developers or going Windows Phone way when they promise guaranteed income for qualified app ideas/authors. If your app doesn't sell for certain some (10K or 30K I think), they add Microsoft money | 01:00 |
| Aard | artemma: they do? maybe I should get a windows phone... :p | 01:01 |
| artemma | Aard: nowadays there is even a bigger program. If you qualify for mid-level project, they promise 30K upon app delivery | 01:01 |
| artemma | and give you 10K right away.. even if you fail later | 01:02 |
| phdeswer | artemma: but then again they are desperate with big deep pockets. | 01:02 |
| Aard | mid-level project? I guess fart apps don't qualify? | 01:02 |
| * artemma thinks for quite some time that he should apply for it and hire a WP8 subcontractor for actually doing the app | 01:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | Aard: It has to have three fart sounds, then you're fine. | 01:02 |
| artemma | Aard: I think small leve; proj is 10K | 01:02 |
| Aard | needs to be small enough to do it in the 5 minutes spare time I have every day nowadays ;) | 01:03 |
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| phdeswer | Maybe a convert WP phone to sailfish app could be suitable? | 01:03 |
| smokex | I wonder how many people in a 3rd world company have used that program to screw microsoft for chump change | 01:03 |
| smokex | s/company/country | 01:03 |
| artemma | Funny thing is that in my daytime I actually manage remote subcontractors for quite successful iOS/Android app. But then doing same for WP in free time would feel like work :) | 01:03 |
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| artemma | are here some WP8 devs BTW? :D | 01:04 |
| smokex | I've never met one :D | 01:04 |
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| Aard | artemma: passed the chance. nokia didn't let me into their developer program few years back since I'm apparently pretty clueless about what I'm doing | 01:04 |
| artemma | phdeswer: they did manage to push Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, etc to WP8. | 01:05 |
| artemma | it was a real hard push, I've heard about it. And it still is hard | 01:05 |
| artemma | Lack of good apps is not that much of an argument against WP anymore | 01:05 |
| artemma | though it never was the primary problem | 01:05 |
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| smokex | closed/proprietary is the primary problem | 01:06 |
| * Aard fails to find good apps in your list, though. maybe whatsapp might qualify | 01:06 | |
| artemma | Aard: these are just examples that came to mind now. They have a lot of stuff | 01:06 |
| artemma | smokex: tell it to Apple :D | 01:06 |
| celeron55 | then jolla came and got each of those for free from android 8) | 01:06 |
| smokex | the store app is kind of crap for sailfish actually | 01:06 |
| artemma | smokex: or to Google too actually :D | 01:07 |
| Aard | celeron55: well, there is some effort involved for getting the right to use them | 01:07 |
| smokex | its one giant ball of fail with ratings and actual apps and categories all balled in to one ball of goo | 01:07 |
| * artemma holds the side that operator's will is like 10 times stronger success factor than platform quality. Just recall Symbian before Elop came in. It was actually growing | 01:08 | |
| artemma | There are categories in current Jolla app store?????? | 01:08 |
| smokex | because people were actually getting what they were asking for | 01:08 |
| smokex | yeah | 01:08 |
| artemma | ? | 01:08 |
| smokex | there is a Jolla apps category :D | 01:08 |
| artemma | I saw only Jolla official apps folder and that's it | 01:08 |
| smokex | ^ | 01:09 |
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| * artemma was quite disappointed to realize that his Wikipedia app could only be found by people actually searching for Wikipedia | 01:09 | |
| artemma | *sigh* | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: I found it by browsing 'all' | 01:09 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: I couldn't see any All" | 01:10 |
| artemma | "All" thing.. Checking again | 01:10 |
| smokex | its probably a swipe down menu | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Flick right to left | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And that brings up a categories | 01:10 |
| artemma | AH! Indeed | 01:10 |
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| artemma | got to leard that top-left dots are also used for "tabs", not for just backwards-forwards | 01:11 |
| Aard | artemma: use the glowing pagestack indicators :p | 01:11 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: thanks! | 01:11 |
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| * artemma wonders how many normal people will find the same.. | 01:11 | |
| smokex | yeah thx SpeedEvil :) | 01:11 |
| smokex | agreed artemma | 01:11 |
| Aard | artemma: it's part of the startupwizard tutorial, though | 01:11 |
| Aard | and it's part of the user manual | 01:11 |
| smokex | I went through the startup wizard | 01:12 |
| artemma | well, maybe "normal" people will follow tutorial more carefully.. | 01:12 |
| Aard | :p | 01:12 |
| artemma | and remember it when they start store | 01:12 |
| Aard | you have the same in several other places. for example, in messages it'll bring up the contacts card | 01:12 |
| smokex | the only sideways swipes were for minimizing apps | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Some of the comments in the apps imply that some apps are in fact android apps in the jolla store. | 01:12 |
| jusics | dicking around with energy consumption measurements: http://hattara.sainio.de/~jusic/energiador/jolla_power_draw_standby_idle_browsing_1_0_1_12.png | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this possible? | 01:13 |
| artemma | oh well, Store improvements are promised too. There's a lot of priritization to do. Or prioritization and hiring | 01:13 |
| smokex | and moving through wizards | 01:13 |
| Aard | SpeedEvil: yes | 01:13 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: Harbour lets you upload APK me thinks | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 01:13 |
| smokex | maybe if there were * things at the top I would know to swipe sideways | 01:13 |
| * SpeedEvil is conflicted. | 01:13 | |
| PeterPark | are there some docs about the hardware? I am interested in Flashlight and LED Programming.. | 01:13 |
| artemma | PeterPark: for now that is impossible the official way | 01:14 |
| * artemma bounced his head against torch down to Android HAL level (not available for app level anyway) | 01:14 | |
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| artemma | I made a flashlight, but it basically tricks camera forcing it to turn LED ON | 01:15 |
| PeterPark | artemma: You mean impossible from documentation POV or API ? | 01:15 |
| artemma | Torch API is not implemented | 01:15 |
| artemma | Torch mode in Flashlight API is not implemented | 01:15 |
| PeterPark | Ok bu Camera API then? | 01:15 |
| artemma | At least one of them is promised to be implemented later | 01:15 |
| artemma | Torch mode in Camera flash mode API is not implemented | 01:16 |
| PeterPark | bummer :( | 01:16 |
| artemma | well, "promised" as in message in this channel that it should be done at some point | 01:16 |
| PeterPark | and the LED for communication (on frontside)? | 01:16 |
| Aard | PeterPark: mce | 01:16 |
| artemma | PeterPark: you can see the top results of what I was able to get t http://bit.ly/flashlight17 | 01:17 |
| artemma | don't know about the front one | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: it doesn't go very bright at all - it's not a sane flashlight option :) | 01:17 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: pls, elaborate | 01:17 |
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| PeterPark | SpeedEvil: No not for flashlight :D Sorry I did not made myself clear.. | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: Well - I'm basing it on what I could get with echo 255 > red/green/blue brightnessees | 01:18 |
| PeterPark | I just meant for signalling SMS, EMAIL IMs etc.. like on n900 | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know what the proper way to do this is. MCE? | 01:18 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: I thought there's just single ON/OFF switch for flash.. | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | mce | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: yes - I'm not meaning flash | 01:18 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: then I am confused even more :) | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: though it woulnd't surprise me if the flash has different levels. The indicator LED | 01:19 |
| PeterPark | SpeedEvil: What does mce stnad for ? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | No idea. | 01:19 |
| artemma | SpeedEvil: Torch API lets you set flash power level. May or may not be supported by hardware and middlewhere | 01:19 |
| artemma | PeterPark: I'd suggest asking in #sailfishos channel during Finnish daytime or evening | 01:20 |
| artemma | Mailing List could help too, but I think IRC will be faster and better, but you'll need to hang on there to get to somebody who knows or can check which area you should look at | 01:21 |
| PeterPark | artemma: ok thanks ! | 01:21 |
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| Aard | mce = mode control entity | 01:21 |
| Aard | good old nokia leftover | 01:22 |
| artemma | that is something #mer people might know well.. | 01:22 |
| petantik | ls | 01:22 |
| petantik | oops | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | . | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | .. | 01:22 |
| artemma | I doubt apps would be given API access to front side notification LED, but if's via something like DBUS message, you may be able to do it even without any permissions | 01:23 |
| PeterPark | ok thanks for clearification! | 01:23 |
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| artemma | it looks like it's a real API. As in librararies you need to link to - https://github.com/kjokinie/mce/wiki/MCE---Mode-control-entity | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | From memory - the library calls just do dbus | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could do that on your own | 01:27 |
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| artemma | SpeedEvil: then you may be able just to ship an own copy of mce together with your app | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | that would seem to be ratehr silly | 01:30 |
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| walokra | anybody tinfoiled their nfc chip yet? http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 06:07 |
| PeperJohnny | Well i hope Jolla will shut it down, now | 06:11 |
| walokra | yeah, you can also shutdown the nfc daemon | 06:14 |
| PeperJohnny | have you tried it? | 06:14 |
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| walokra | maybe after morning coffee :) | 06:17 |
| Frye | Morning. | 06:20 |
| atlaz | Morning | 06:20 |
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| nander | Hmm, it is still on its way from charles de gaulle to ??? | 06:24 |
| nander | It has been since sunday 21:31 | 06:24 |
| nander | saturday* | 06:24 |
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| atlaz | walokra: i masked and stopped the tohd.service now | 06:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:01 |
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| jussi | Mornign all | 07:53 |
| jussi | Played with my BIL's Jolla yesterday. | 07:53 |
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| jussi | Couldnt register for the yandex store - it wouldnt give me a captcha | 07:54 |
| jussi | said something about no network | 07:54 |
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| jussi | (and there was certainly network - everythign else was working) | 07:54 |
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| jussi | ANyway, sorted it by using my android to make the registration then loggin in with that. | 07:55 |
| * jussi trows a tomato at Stskeeps | 07:55 | |
| Stskeeps | wat | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: change language to english, then log in, then change to fi | 07:58 |
| Pnuu | walokra: could the NFC really account for that much of power drain? | 07:59 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: it works to log in, but the registration was the issue | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 08:00 |
| walokra | Pnuu: the article thinks so and what I read from twitter | 08:05 |
| Pnuu | seems legit | 08:06 |
| TemeV | 2%/hour would be something like 42 mA | 08:07 |
| TemeV | sounds quite much for me | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps a scenario where it kept the device awake too | 08:08 |
| Pnuu | but hay, it's 42 so the answer must be correct! | 08:09 |
| Pnuu | but what was the question..?-) | 08:09 |
| TemeV | wikipedia says NFC uses 15mA | 08:10 |
| TemeV | it says nothing about voltage though | 08:10 |
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| CoderCandy | Yaay my phone is in sweden! | 08:18 |
| CoderCandy | It should arrive in 7 hours | 08:18 |
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| rauz | hi | 08:19 |
| jussi | CoderCandy: nice christmas present | 08:20 |
| Pnuu | I'll test by turning the nfc daemon off | 08:21 |
| CoderCandy | To myself yes! | 08:21 |
| * Stskeeps is waiting for his too, but it's not on a delivery truck yet :( | 08:21 | |
| jussi | Stskeeps: so thats what you got me for christmas!! Nice.... | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: no :P | 08:21 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: awww | 08:21 |
| rauz | i have my jolla now for 4days and i must say it is as nice as i thought it would be :) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | rauz: cool | 08:22 |
| ShadowJK | Mine might be at the local grocery store now, or not. They're kinda lazy to scan the code | 08:22 |
| rauz | yep and now it's time to write some native apps | 08:22 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: Im looking forward to the android integration - then I can have it on whatever HW I want (like my note 2...) | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking forward to more coffee | 08:23 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: its still that much work that you can only think of coffee when I mention it? :/ | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: naah. | 08:26 |
| rauz | i'm sitting in the train to travel to my parrents for the hollydays and the internet on the train is absolutly terrible | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | on a fedex vehicle \o/ | 08:30 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 08:30 |
| jussi | rauz: are you in finland? sounds normal... | 08:31 |
| rauz | nope austria | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk, we have terrible train iwif | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | wifi | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | .. and they charge us for it | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:31 |
| rauz | in austria its free but doesnt work realy poorly | 08:32 |
| ln- | doesn't work really poorly, so it works relatively well? | 08:32 |
| rauz | and the blocked a few sites like plus.google.com so i have to use tor software and that makes it even slower | 08:32 |
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| rauz | ln-: doesn't work realy well | 08:33 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders what will happen to .fi train wifi, as their uplink provider went bust | 08:36 | |
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| Stskeeps | arrived \o/ | 08:44 |
| Pnuu | yay! | 08:44 |
| Waitee | yayy! | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | (14 mins after being on a delivery vehicle.. that's practically a record) | 08:48 |
| Trizt | Hmmm... strange I can't connect to protected wlan, never get the question for password, before the last update I did get a request for password | 08:49 |
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| Trizt | Stskeeps: you have an idea how to connect to a protected wlan? | 08:50 |
| Pnuu | Trizt: which security? | 08:51 |
| Trizt | WPA SP.. I think, don't have my N900 here so can't check | 08:51 |
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| nander | My jolla has left amersfoort ;). | 08:52 |
| nander | It's getting closer to me by the minute! | 08:53 |
| Trizt | nander: I hope it wont take another tour around europe, mine was twice in destination country | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | morning | 08:54 |
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| Waitee | morning | 08:56 |
| Waitee | http://i.imgur.com/baxNPRC.jpg | 08:57 |
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| ggabriel | my jolla should be arriving today :) | 08:59 |
| Waitee | :3 | 09:00 |
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| nander | Tritzt, it states it's on a fedex vehicle for delivery | 09:07 |
| nander | And Amersfoort is probably the closest fedex location | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | mine is still at the local fedex facility :) | 09:08 |
| Pnuu | that NFC shutdown seems to lower the power consumption a lot! | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | but they estimate delivery today, so... | 09:09 |
| nander | Mine never arrived in Amersfoort ;) | 09:09 |
| nander | I think they sometimes forget to scan | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | indeed :) | 09:09 |
| nander | Mine left paris twice, 3 hours apart, without returning in paris ;) | 09:10 |
| nander | And 30 hours later it suddenly left amersfoor | 09:10 |
| nander | Amersfoort | 09:10 |
| nander | Which is about 1 to 2 hours away from enschede by car\ | 09:10 |
| nander | 1 hour 12 shortest path | 09:10 |
| Pnuu | nander: maybe it was in two pieces?-) | 09:11 |
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| ggabriel | Pnuu: lol | 09:11 |
| nander | but fedex probably has to stop a few times on the way | 09:11 |
| nander | the other half separately :D | 09:11 |
| nander | Or maybe it's a quantumfysical device | 09:11 |
| nander | It both has and hasn't left paris | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | i only hope that that the fedex guy doesn't get fed up and returns to the sorting facility saying that i wasn't at home | 09:11 |
| zutto | i'd be more worried wether the package survives the fedex guys hand | 09:12 |
| zutto | they are known to.. handle packages without care :P | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | i only saw that in the usa to be honest | 09:13 |
| stephg | zutto: it's well wrapped up, don't worry | 09:13 |
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| zutto | ggabriel: oh dont worry, its not just in usa | 09:13 |
| nander | I hope jolla sent it with some spare air in the box ;) | 09:13 |
| zutto | and its not just fedex either | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | zutto: :) | 09:13 |
| nander | Some other companies 'displace' packages | 09:13 |
| vegai | so yeah, I removed the NFC sticker yesterday | 09:14 |
| nander | Luckily finland and the netherlands are among the least corrupt countries in the world ;) | 09:14 |
| zutto | nander: are you sure about that? | 09:14 |
| vegai | battery drain during night was about 3-5%, compared to previous 20-40% | 09:14 |
| zutto | finland is only known as not-so-corrupted cause we dont have anyone who would investigate corruptions | 09:14 |
| nander | On a local level, yes | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | vegai: wow, hopefully you didn't break it | 09:14 |
| nander | On a political level.. | 09:14 |
| vegai | ggabriel: break what? | 09:14 |
| zutto | but our politicians are quite corrupted actually | 09:14 |
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| nander | Zutto, that's everywhere | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | vegai: the sticker | 09:15 |
| zutto | well, corrupted as in they take bribes | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | not that it matters too much | 09:15 |
| zutto | yuh | 09:15 |
| nander | Here we have a politician whose phone was tapped during a criminal investigation and the data got lost.. | 09:15 |
| nander | Imagine, evidence just 'got lost'.. | 09:15 |
| zutto | Lol | 09:15 |
| zutto | :D | 09:15 |
| nander | These kind of things make me feel ashamed of my nationality.. | 09:16 |
| vegai | ggabriel: ah, no. I don't think so. What does it matter, though? The other half is a rather useless gimmick | 09:16 |
| nander | Politicians doing shit like that and getting away with it | 09:16 |
| vegai | at least for me personally | 09:16 |
| nander | Does the white OTH have a nfc chip? | 09:16 |
| vegai | mine did | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | vegai: yeah, but i read that you could have just shut down the service | 09:16 |
| nander | vegai, it CAN do awesome stuff | 09:16 |
| nander | But at the moment it doesn't | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | all white/poppy red oh's have stickers | 09:16 |
| nander | keyboard oth, gamepad oth, e-ink oth | 09:17 |
| nander | All possible | 09:17 |
| vegai | nander: Yes, those seem interesting, I agree. | 09:17 |
| nander | why does white have it? | 09:17 |
| vegai | why wouldn't it? | 09:17 |
| nander | because it doesn't do anything special? | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | so that you can change ambiance i guess | 09:17 |
| nander | Yawn | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | i suppose at some point you'll be able to configure what ambiance you want depending on which other half you are using | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | yeah, yawn, agree :P | 09:18 |
| vegai | ggabriel: ah, well. Just the same, I only have one cover and the feature that changes ambience automatically by the cover has approx. 0 value for me :) | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | i'm just answering :) | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | vegai: yeah, agree. same here | 09:18 |
| vegai | the sad part is that probably none of the people who reviewed the phone knew about this | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | yeap, they should fix it pretty soon | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | it's good news though, as the device has a promising battery life then | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | from the mailing list: | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | - With tohd on, wlan on, screen off, logged in via SSH - 982mW | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | - With tohd off, wlan on, screen off, logged in via SSH - 552mW | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | ...and i think wlan has a few battery issues too | 09:21 |
| Pnuu | 30 minutes with NFC daemon off and still 100 % | 09:22 |
| Waitee | nice | 09:22 |
| Pnuu | wlan and mobile data on | 09:23 |
| Kiranos | nice to see the community reaching out and triangulating this issue, very nice when jolla as its a small company has limited QA | 09:23 |
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| ggabriel | Kiranos: oh, i'm sure they qa it | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | but battery is quite tricky :) | 09:23 |
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| ggabriel | then again, they could use powertop | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | and have some baseline as to what each system service ought to consume | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, it's nice, it should be fixed very soon | 09:24 |
| Kiranos | ggabriel: dont think there is much more QA than developers finding bugs and reporting them | 09:24 |
| Kiranos | and dont blame them | 09:24 |
| Kiranos | as its geared towards nerds :) | 09:24 |
| vegai | has this issue been officically reported to them? | 09:24 |
| stephg | vegai if it's on the mailing list they'll see it | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | vegai: one of the bosses tweeted about it :) | 09:25 |
| vegai | ok, that's promising :) | 09:25 |
| Tofe | morning! | 09:25 |
| ShadowJK | powertop probably wouldn't catch toh | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | they even said something along the lines of "great that the community foun this bug, we can do this together" or something | 09:25 |
| vegai | well, stuff like this happens | 09:25 |
| vegai | the first windows phones had atrocious battery drain | 09:25 |
| vegai | also the first versions of ios7 | 09:26 |
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| ggabriel | vegai: first? ios5 broke mine and they never fixed it | 09:26 |
| vegai | ios5 already? Huh | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | ios4 was ok | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | mind you, i never cared too much :) | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | i'm still on ios6 as i can't be asked to read the t&c's again | 09:27 |
| vegai | perhaps... but also just jumping from ios6 => 7 halved battery life for my iphone5 | 09:27 |
| vegai | I'm not even sure if they ever fixed it, since I don't care that much about that phone | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | vegai: i'm talking about an iphone 4 | 09:28 |
| Waitee | i never had an iPhone | 09:28 |
| vegai | it's my work phone :P | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | vegai: same :) | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | i'll change it when they provide with a 4g/lte version | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | and i'll change my contract for a tethering one | 09:28 |
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| Tofe | oh, did I just read that great battery improvement may come from fixing a bit the nfc daemon ? | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: yeap :) | 09:29 |
| Waitee | how do i disable the nfc daemon | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | y think systemctl tohd.service stop | 09:29 |
| Tofe | Waitee: I guess it's just a systemd service | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | but somebody correct me, i haven't got a phone | 09:30 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: one minute :) | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | s/^y/i/g | 09:30 |
| * ggabriel still asleep | 09:30 | |
| Tofe | ggabriel: yes, you are right, it's tohd | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | out of curiosity, do you need to be root to do that? | 09:31 |
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| Tofe | I guess so | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | oh, i thought you've just done it | 09:32 |
| Tofe | yes, you have to be root | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | ta | 09:32 |
| ggabriel | woohoo, jolla on vehicle | 09:33 |
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| pigletto | Waitee: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html check out the latest comments | 09:33 |
| Waitee | ggabriel: nice | 09:33 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: I just stopped it as root | 09:33 |
| pigletto | Waitee: there are commands to stop it | 09:33 |
| Waitee | pigletto: thanks | 09:33 |
| Tofe | systemctl stop tohd.service | 09:33 |
| pigletto | I did it a hour ago and still 99% :D | 09:33 |
| sremes | I removed the sticker last night, and still 94% | 09:35 |
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| Tofe | I wonder if there would be a nice way to disable it without endangering future updates | 09:36 |
| Tofe | a post-boot script ? | 09:37 |
| spider-mario | “On FedEx vehicle for delivery” | 09:38 |
| spider-mario | \o/ | 09:38 |
| celeron55 | okay, so no-TOH battery test result: 64% | 09:39 |
| spider-mario | from 65, right? | 09:39 |
| spider-mario | if I remember correctly | 09:39 |
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| celeron55 | about 11:40 ago it was 65% | 09:39 |
| celeron55 | that's ridiculously little, 1%?! | 09:40 |
| celeron55 | it was 14% with it | 09:40 |
| celeron55 | hmm | 09:40 |
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| celeron55 | maybe it then had wifi on | 09:40 |
| celeron55 | anyway, exact test specs: no wifi, no sim, no TOH, nothing; 1% in 12 hours | 09:40 |
| celeron55 | i'll attach TOH now and see what then happens | 09:41 |
| micko_ | I've had tohd.service stopped for 2 hours. battry went from 97 to 96 on idle | 09:41 |
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| ggabriel | Tofe: yeah, thanks, also my command was wrong :) | 09:42 |
| ggabriel | i guess i'll do that as part of my bootstrapping process when i open the phone :) | 09:42 |
| Tofe | micko_: so it means it wouldn't help stopping it, right | 09:43 |
| Tofe | ah no wait, it's actually quite good | 09:43 |
| spider-mario | oh, it’s that simple to disable it? | 09:43 |
| spider-mario | good, I was a little worried | 09:43 |
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| spider-mario | I didn’t know it would just be a systemd unit to stop | 09:44 |
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| Tofe | spider-mario: well, maybe it isn't sufficient, it may be that stopping the unit doesn't switch off the hw | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | just out of curiousity, where did you see the advice to run those commands? | 09:45 |
| spider-mario | so, it’s most likely a sw issue? | 09:45 |
| spider-mario | that can be fixed in a oncoming update? | 09:45 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I got the idea from ggabriel :) | 09:45 |
| stephg | Stskeeps here I think: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html?showComment=1387768702509#c686868859663261689 | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | just be careful with those things, if you get a device unbootable in developer mode, there's a high risk you have to pay for the reflashing service yourself | 09:46 |
| Milo- | that sounds interesting | 09:46 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: yes, right now I'm only using commands that won't survive a reboot | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | and always keep in mind that changes you do today may cause unexpected behaviour at an update | 09:47 |
| Yaniel | an update today? | 09:48 |
| Tofe | :D | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | no, santa doesn't work on the 23rd | 09:48 |
| Milo- | I was hoping on a jolla-update for christmas :) | 09:48 |
| Yaniel | yah I'd just use systemctl stop to be safe | 09:48 |
| Tofe | an update on 25th ? | 09:48 |
| Yaniel | unless I really know what's going on | 09:48 |
| Pnuu | Stskeeps: so update tomorrow?! | 09:49 |
| walokra | the tinfoil trick should be safe | 09:49 |
| Tofe | Yaniel: even with just doing this, remember to reboot the device before starting an update | 09:49 |
| Pnuu | ;-) | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:49 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: appreciate the advice - and of course we should all start that service again before any sort of update | 09:49 |
| Yaniel | I need to reboot frequently enough anyway :D | 09:49 |
| celeron55 | so does shutting down the service get rid of the battery consumption? | 09:49 |
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| celeron55 | or is this still in testing | 09:50 |
| Milo- | "Don't need to remove TOH, just put tinfoil on the nfc receiver. " I love that suggestion :P | 09:50 |
| Kiranos | celeron55: from alot of testers thats a positive | 09:50 |
| Tofe | Yeah, it's a good idea to remind us where the edge is :p | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: lol, that would actually work for most people without breaking anything | 09:50 |
| Milo- | so apple had problems with their antennas, and eventually gave in and provided some plastic covers. | 09:51 |
| Kiranos | systemctl stop tohd.service should be safe, just reboot and it will activate again | 09:51 |
| Milo- | will Jollla give in, and provide us with some special made tin foil? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | we prefer SW solutions | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: that isn't true... | 09:51 |
| ln- | Milo-: e.g. a hat | 09:51 |
| Milo- | ln- 8) | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | they provided with plastic covers for a while, then they gave even that up | 09:51 |
| Waitee | lol | 09:51 |
| ggabriel | (my iphone 4 still has the grip of death problem) | 09:52 |
| Milo- | ggabriel they still sell those though. | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: yeah, but they used ot be for free, remember? | 09:52 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 09:52 |
| Milo- | no. apple and free doesn't ring a bell. | 09:52 |
| * artemma is bravely shutting down tohd.service. Will see if it helps | 09:52 | |
| Waitee | my friends in finland who bought iphone4 had no issues with the grip of death | 09:52 |
| Venemo_N9 | today is my lucky day! | 09:52 |
| Milo- | Waitee it's because we don't do 4G | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | Waitee: maybe good reception | 09:52 |
| stephg | Venemo_N9: \o/ | 09:52 |
| Pnuu | I did also the mask command | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_N9: woohooo | 09:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | fedex agreed to deliver my jolla to me today in Budapest! | 09:53 |
| Waitee | i guess so but the phone was way over hated because of the problem :D | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: yay! | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: i just got mine as well | 09:53 |
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| Venemo_N9 | they're bringing it this afternoon between 15-17 | 09:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, congrats :) | 09:54 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: good timing indeed ! | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: \o/ | 09:54 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: the mask command should be safe, it shouldnt matter it the service ist stopped on future upgrades? | 09:55 |
| Kiranos | http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/culprit-for-bad-battery-life-found/ | 09:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm now heading to see my exam results and then I'll start porting IRC Chatter!! | 09:55 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: woohooo | 09:55 |
| Kiranos | if it might maybe post there | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | Kiranos: everything can hhappen :P | 09:55 |
| Kiranos | Stskeeps: ok :) that thread will probably get a lot of traction so and official reply might be good | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | just warning that we can't expect everything when do we do upgrades | 09:55 |
| Tofe | Kiranos: we can't ask the devs to suppose the daemons can be in any state at the moment of the update :p | 09:55 |
| Kiranos | Tofe: it might have crashed :) | 09:56 |
| CoderCandy | WOO! | 09:56 |
| CoderCandy | FedEx just delivered my package | 09:57 |
| CoderCandy | at McDonalds... | 09:57 |
| Tofe | Kiranos: crash never happen. :p | 09:57 |
| Waitee | tried turning off the toh daemon | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: big mac and a jolla! | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a winner to me | 09:57 |
| CoderCandy | yeah xD | 09:57 |
| Waitee | i prefer hesburger | 09:57 |
| Milo- | hesburger has bad fries. | 09:58 |
| Yaniel | oh morning Waitee | 09:58 |
| Milo- | and poor service., | 09:58 |
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| Waitee | Yaniel: morning | 09:58 |
| Waitee | Milo-: depends | 09:58 |
| Waitee | at least in tampere keskustori i've always had better service in hesburger compared to neighbour macdonalds | 09:59 |
| Tofe | Never go to a McDonalds in France, it's quite a pity omho | 09:59 |
| celeron55 | they're local enterpreneurs so the brand doesn't matter that much | 09:59 |
| Milo- | takes forever for them to flip a burger :C | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | at least burger king is in .fi now | 09:59 |
| Waitee | also hesburger wasnt full of loud-ass teenagers | 10:00 |
| Waitee | turned off the daemon | 10:00 |
| Waitee | battery at 87% | 10:00 |
| Waitee | unplugged | 10:00 |
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| stephg | MTV Jolla: unplugged | 10:00 |
| Waitee | 3g on | 10:00 |
| Waitee | ariel rebel - unplugged | 10:01 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, thinking of IRC Chatter, it occours to me how you have a habbit of IRCing while on stage | 10:01 |
| jussi | pesh, all those burger chains are rubbish. Kauppuri 5 in Oulu, now THATS the place to get a GOOD burger | 10:02 |
| ottulo | jussi: I made a deal with a friend, he'll buy me a brgr there if I bike to Oulu | 10:03 |
| Waitee | jussi: Haitari in Hervanta | 10:03 |
| Waitee | get the bacon burger | 10:03 |
| jussi | Waitee: not been there | 10:03 |
| jussi | sounds good though | 10:03 |
| Waitee | terrific! | 10:03 |
| jussi | ottulo: I dont care if you are in australia, it would be worth it :D | 10:03 |
| jussi | ottulo: go dust the bike off :) | 10:04 |
| Waitee | :D | 10:04 |
| pp_ | jussi: cafe rooster is actually better :-) | 10:05 |
| jussi | pp_: and where is cafe rooster? | 10:05 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, so don't worry, you'll soon be able to do it on da jolla | 10:05 |
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| spider-mario | the best burgers are the home-made ones | 10:05 |
| jussi | and do they have a burger with pulled pork? :P | 10:05 |
| pp_ | wooden building next to finnkino | 10:05 |
| spider-mario | where you can put whatever pleases you | 10:05 |
| pp_ | yes they do (baconburger and pulled pork burger) | 10:06 |
| pp_ | mind you, both are closed for xmas :-) | 10:06 |
| spider-mario | I like to put Saint Agur in mine | 10:06 |
| spider-mario | :) | 10:06 |
| Waitee | spider-mario: disagree, i want my burger assembled | 10:06 |
| Pnuu | pulled pork burger in chico's was surprisingly good | 10:06 |
| pp_ | they also have nasty problems that they run out of ingredients and you have to wait until they hand-cut your fries :-) | 10:06 |
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| Tofe | Venemo_N9: cool :) | 10:07 |
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| jussi | pp_: :D Sadly Im not located in Oulu anymore | 10:07 |
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| Waitee | oh | 10:07 |
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| Tofe | Can we be quite confident that some Jolla devs around here have taken notes about the observations on the battery ? | 10:07 |
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| Waitee | crapbuster is a kickass script for popular channels | 10:08 |
| stephg | Tofe: yep | 10:08 |
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| Tofe | stephg: great :) | 10:08 |
| Tofe | it's really a very nice way to work like this | 10:09 |
| Yaniel | agreed | 10:09 |
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| CoderCandy | no native IRC client for jolla? | 10:24 |
| nander | The nice thing about waiting for a package.. You do stuff you wouldn't do otherwise | 10:24 |
| nander | Like: cleaning up ;) | 10:24 |
| nander | ssh + screen + irssi? :) | 10:24 |
| spider-mario | nander : I just keep looking through my window every other minute. :D | 10:25 |
| CoderCandy | I like graphical IRC apps tbh | 10:25 |
| spider-mario | maybe Quassel could be ported | 10:25 |
| spider-mario | on Android, I like Yaaic | 10:26 |
| spider-mario | (though it doesn’t save logs) | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | CoderCandy: Venemo is going to port ircchatter | 10:26 |
| CoderCandy | Sweet | 10:26 |
| CoderCandy | I don't care about saving logs, since my bouncer does that for me | 10:26 |
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| artemma | device freezes for a few seconds every time I unlock it, then shown notification about "Disconnected" (WiFi? GPS?) and then it's fine again | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | jolla is in da house | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | now i have to wrap it and put it under the tree | 10:35 |
| * stephg wouldn't have the patience... | 10:35 | |
| Stskeeps | artemma: upgraded device to 1.2 ye? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | t | 10:35 |
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| Stskeeps | er, 1.0.1.12 | 10:35 |
| artemma | 1.2? | 10:35 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: you are weird | 10:36 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: settings tell 1.0.1.12 | 10:36 |
| locusf | is there a xmas update coming? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: ok | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: i know | 10:36 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: or maybe "normal", if considering from another point of view.. ;-D | 10:37 |
| Tofe | Pnuu: not the dominant point of view around here, for sure | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: i'll enjoy it better when we open the presents | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | my inlaws will be arguing about stuff | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | i'll be playing with my brand new phone | 10:38 |
| spider-mario | locusf : there will be a bug fix release before the end of 2013 but probably after christmas, if I understand correctly | 10:38 |
| spider-mario | then a feature update in 2014 | 10:38 |
| locusf | spider-mario: ok | 10:38 |
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| jussi | spider-mario: there was a quassel client for n9 and maemo iirc, maybe it could be revived | 10:44 |
| spider-mario | maybe indeed | 10:45 |
| skvark | is there support for bluetooth low energy/smart? I couldn't connect Jolla to a low energy module | 10:45 |
| spider-mario | was it written with QtWidgets or QML? | 10:45 |
| Kiranos | spider-mario: jussi: anyone tried quasseldroid for android? | 10:45 |
| jussi | Kiranos: use it pretty much every day | 10:45 |
| jussi | spider-mario: qml I think | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | skvark: supposedly LE is there to some degree, have a chat with flux | 10:46 |
| Kiranos | nice so it works good on the jolla phone? | 10:46 |
| Kiranos | jussi: ^ | 10:46 |
| jussi | https://gitorious.org/quassel/quassel2go/ | 10:46 |
| spider-mario | Kiranos : iirc, it’s just the client, not the core, and I don’t have a machine running the core all the time | 10:46 |
| spider-mario | (though the Jolla is probably capable of that) | 10:46 |
| CoderCandy | biggest issue with jolla so far... No crappy headphones included! | 10:46 |
| Kiranos | having the core on a phone seems kinda silly :P | 10:46 |
| spider-mario | (perhaps even without rewriting a single line of code in quassel core) | 10:46 |
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| flux | skvark, sudo hcitool lescan works (drop wlan while doing it), gatttool -b aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff --characteristic worked as well with TI SensorTag | 10:47 |
| jussi | Kiranos: oh, I use it on android. not tried on jolla (sorry for the mis understanding) | 10:47 |
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| flux | skvark, but Qt doesn't yet support BLE, so the support isn't there for the proper interfaces. (of course you can use bluez directly) | 10:47 |
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| CoderCandy | Ah, at least jolla has the same pin setup as my headset! | 10:49 |
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| skvark | flux: ok, I'll give it a look | 10:49 |
| jubo2 | g'morning piippöls | 10:50 |
| skvark | I have a ble112 module and it would be nice to get it work with jolla, could make virtual keychain etc. | 10:50 |
| flux | I've used hcitool&gatttool with ble113, not via jolla though | 10:51 |
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| flux | so I would expect it to work just fine | 10:51 |
| skvark | yeah, thanks | 10:51 |
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| nander | lol, they just added something done 4 hours ago | 10:53 |
| nander | Fedex is 'special' | 10:53 |
| nander | They know know it arrived at their local fedex office ;) | 10:53 |
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| Kiranos | jussi: ok thanks, would be nice to know if quasseldroid worked on a jolla phone | 10:56 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm | 10:56 |
| CoderCandy | Apparently local mp3 files don't work with spotify on Jolla | 10:56 |
| CoderCandy | And THERE it crashed... | 10:57 |
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| Kiranos | CoderCandy: oh didnt know the android app had support for local files | 11:10 |
| CoderCandy | Well, it's jerky. You can sync local files from your PC | 11:10 |
| CoderCandy | which I did | 11:10 |
| Kiranos | http://forum.jollausers.com/android-on-sailfish/problematic-android-apps-so-far-which-apps-are-causing-issues-solutions/ | 11:10 |
| CoderCandy | but it refused to play the synced tracks | 11:11 |
| Kiranos | CoderCandy: if you have enough energy it would be good if you posted there | 11:11 |
| nander | 3 hours 5 min since it left the local fedex center | 11:11 |
| nander | They are taking their time ;) | 11:11 |
| CoderCandy | I'm probably gonna do all that stuff after christmas though :P | 11:11 |
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| CoderCandy | Man I'm unused to navigating Sailfish :P | 11:16 |
| nander | Did you own an n9? | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | no | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | I had an n900 though | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | skipped the n9 because no HW keyboard | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | I wanted an n950 though | 11:17 |
| * CoderCandy is hoping really hard for a HW keyboard OH | 11:17 | |
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| Raim | CoderCandy: oh, nice to know Spotify can sync from the PC | 11:19 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, but it wont play on the Jolla :( | 11:20 |
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| Raim | CoderCandy: hm, right, just tried it :( | 11:21 |
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| Raim | CoderCandy: there is also CuteSpotify as native client in the making, but haven't tried it yet | 11:23 |
| CoderCandy | ah, cool | 11:23 |
| CoderCandy | Anyone know how to disable the annoying "Don't listen to loud volume for extended period of times"-message? | 11:24 |
| CoderCandy | I have hardware volume control on my headset | 11:24 |
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| CoderCandy | Why do I have a usb IP address? | 11:28 |
| CoderCandy | Is my charger connected to the internet or what? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | /msg w00t he's on to us | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | er, ignore me | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: developer mode has a usb networking method at least | 11:29 |
| Kiranos | CoderCandy: http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_to_connect_to_SSH_over_usb_connection_from_PC | 11:30 |
| Waitee | you can access the phone through usb via ssh i think | 11:30 |
| Waitee | Kiranos: too fast | 11:30 |
| Waitee | :D | 11:30 |
| AJAX555 | Waitee: yes, one can access phone via ssh | 11:30 |
| CoderCandy | ah | 11:31 |
| Waitee | AJAX555: yes i know but havent tested through usb | 11:31 |
| AJAX555 | I have | 11:31 |
| CoderCandy | Okie, it's just funny how the phone decided to get an USB address when it's connected to the charger, not a computer. | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: you didn't plug in the cable well enough | 11:32 |
| phdeswer | CoderCandy: what do you mean? The ip in the developer mode setting is the one it *would* use if connected | 11:32 |
| CoderCandy | Oh | 11:32 |
| ln- | CoderCandy: after seeing this a charger connecting to internet wouldn't be that surprising: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-24707337 | 11:32 |
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| Raim | it did not get this IP address, it's configured statically | 11:33 |
| CoderCandy | ln-, wtf? | 11:33 |
| CoderCandy | Raim, okie | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | hey, I got Jolla beanie today | 11:35 |
| ShadowJK | but no jolla yet :( | 11:35 |
| vegai | is there some way to doawnload an mp3 to the device? | 11:35 |
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| vegai | doesn't seem to work via the browser at least | 11:36 |
| vegai | do I need to go the dev mode and wget via shell:-S | 11:36 |
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| vegai | or bluetooth via my laptop perhaps | 11:37 |
| AJAX555 | vegai: why not just connect to computer and transfer from there? | 11:37 |
| CoderCandy | what's the ssh username I should use when connecting to the Jolla? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | nemo | 11:38 |
| CoderCandy | thanks | 11:38 |
| Tofe | ah, an option to quickly come back to the active app when double-tap would be nice | 11:39 |
| CoderCandy | Tofe, yeah, I noticed that as well :P | 11:39 |
| CoderCandy | Except for the local files, the android spotify works pretty well! | 11:40 |
| CoderCandy | I'm impressed with the android support actually :P | 11:40 |
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| nander | Re-fucking-ceived! | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | nander: woop | 11:46 |
| nander | It's a nice phone | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | nander: congrats | 11:47 |
| nander | incomplete, but full of potential | 11:47 |
| nander | Jolla employees, feel free to feel proud of it ;) | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | load of kudos actually | 11:47 |
| AJAX555 | I just can't wait to get keyboard other half to it | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | it wouldn't be much fun if we didn't have to polish it a bit ;) | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | the box is really nice :P | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, what kind of polishing can we expect? | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: SW naturally, hw can't be improved beyond what TOH interfaces allows | 11:49 |
| nander | I found one slight disadvangate over the n9 design | 11:49 |
| nander | The location of the power button | 11:49 |
| AJAX555 | power button is useless anyway | 11:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, surely but SW is a very broad term | 11:50 |
| AJAX555 | except when you turn the phone off or on | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | nander: why do you think it's a disadvantage? | 11:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | is there a public roadmap or list of promised features? | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | surely it's easier to turn the volume up and down easier while on a call | 11:50 |
| nander | Yes, but on the n9 both were reachable easily | 11:50 |
| nander | Now just the volume | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | (maybe harder to take a picture with the power button in between though) | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | oh, ok, i don't know how easy it will be | 11:51 |
| nander | It seems it's less happy to ruin my music than my n9 was ;) | 11:51 |
| nander | Which could mean an inferior antenna | 11:51 |
| w00t | hnnng | 11:52 |
| ggabriel | define "ruin my music" | 11:52 |
| w00t | I just spent half a minute wondering why my mouse cursor wasn't moving | 11:52 |
| w00t | only to find I'd unplugged it | 11:52 |
| * w00t does the herp derp dance | 11:52 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: i think something like that will come with the together.jolla.com approach | 11:52 |
| nander | grrrzzzrrzzzrrzzz | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | it wouldn't be much of co-creation if people couldn't help decide | 11:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | okay | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | ie, roadmap set 100% in stone | 11:53 |
| nander | ggabriel, do you understand that one? | 11:53 |
| nander | Annoying noises caused by the phone | 11:53 |
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| ggabriel | while you play music you mean? | 11:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | on a different note, is it at the moment possible to do contacts / calendar syc on the jolla? | 11:54 |
| nander | of course | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | or close to other electronic equipment (i.e., interference)? | 11:54 |
| nander | interference | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | right | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | i get you now | 11:54 |
| nander | it's less of an issue than it was with my n9 | 11:54 |
| nander | I remember throwing my n9 to my bed, because it was getting too annoying | 11:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | ie. does it support google contacts? | 11:54 |
| nander | I couldn't keep it in my pocket or on my desk | 11:54 |
| Venemo_N9 | nander, wired music or wireless? | 11:55 |
| nander | wired | 11:55 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: I do calendar sync through MfE, as google apps supports active sync :/ | 11:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | tbr, google stopped supporting activesync a few months ago IIRC | 11:56 |
| CoderCandy | Cool, just got google play to work | 11:56 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: still works if you pay for it, hence me mentioning 'google apps' | 11:56 |
| tbr | they stopped offering it to free accounts in january | 11:57 |
| Waitee | CoderCandy: worth the pain? | 11:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | tbr, oh, those f***in bastards | 11:57 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: there is also some workaround where you subscribe to your google calendar from an outlook.com account | 11:57 |
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| Venemo_N9 | tbr, anyway, can the jolla connect to any contacts or calendar service that is not activesync? | 11:58 |
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| nander | I'm leaving, I'll be back later ;) | 11:58 |
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| tbr | I think not at the moment, but that's AFAIU an not so hard thing, so hopefully coming soon™ | 11:58 |
| tbr | if someone wants to help with buteosync(?) then go ahead | 11:59 |
| mikhas | is there any advice to those who haven't even gotten tracking numbers yet? | 11:59 |
| mikhas | should I ask for a refund? | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | mikhas: a lot of people are complaining, but jolla did say 3-4 weeks | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | in my case they delivered in time | 12:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | tbr, do you know of any FOSS solution that can output activesync? | 12:00 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, what's the status of your order? | 12:00 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: nope | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | mikhas: also, if you are "in picking", suggest you check the fedex page (if you aren't in finland) | 12:01 |
| tbr | there is a workaround if you use your order number and the fedex advanced search | 12:01 |
| Azog | i good my order number and the package more or less at the same time | 12:02 |
| Azog | even got | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | lol | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | I've just read "It is rumored that when Jolla fixes the nfc bug, the lifetime of the phone will jump from 48 hours to 500 hours" | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | sorry, "almost 500 hours" | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | unicorns and ponies will be delivered, too | 12:05 |
| locusf | it has improved after getting rid of the nfc tag | 12:05 |
| * artemma hopes not the modern unicorns (hippos) | 12:05 | |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: sadly, mine came without | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | locusf: i can appreciate the improvement | 12:06 |
| CoderCandy | Waitee, totally. There is a specific app I want that seems to work perfectly! | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | but 500 hours using the device i think it very unlikely | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | jolla.com says 500 hours btw, but that's "standby" | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | :) | 12:06 |
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| * artemma wants offline maps for his SpB trip tomorrow. Sadly yandex mobile website tells me to choose phone model for downloading Navigator (that has offline maps) and.. that particular yandex website doesn't work on Jolla - http://m.ya.ru/ynavi | 12:07 | |
| artemma | menu can be browsed, but not clicked | 12:07 |
| tbr | artemma: get google maps and make it download areas? | 12:08 |
| tbr | or get osmand | 12:09 |
| artemma | tbr: I don't see step-by-step instructions for gmaps and being in a hurry for a trip can only follow easy steps now | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | can the jolla import from vcard? | 12:09 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: yes | 12:09 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: if you have many contacts cat them all to one file | 12:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | will do | 12:09 |
| tbr | artemma: there are, look for play store on jolla | 12:10 |
| Venemo_N9 | also, if I copy ~30GB of music directly to the sd card and then insert it into the jolla, will it manage to find the music? | 12:11 |
| Waitee | atbleast not by default | 12:14 |
| Waitee | -b* | 12:14 |
| tbr | IIRC tracker should find it? | 12:14 |
| Trizt | Venemo_N9: saw someone this morning say it didn't detect music on SD card, just image/video (those two works for me at least) | 12:15 |
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| Venemo_N9 | srsly? | 12:16 |
| Venemo_N9 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 12:16 |
| Venemo_N9 | can it be hacked to work? | 12:17 |
| Trizt | but symlink the directory from the SD to the Music directory on the device, should "work" | 12:17 |
| phdeswer | Venemo_N9: just try. Pretty sure it should work | 12:17 |
| CoderCandy | Hmm, no camera for andoid apps? | 12:18 |
| Venemo_N9 | the only reason I bought a 64gb microsd is to bring ALL my music with me always | 12:19 |
| mikhas | no good dataplan? | 12:19 |
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| Venemo_N9 | how's this related to dataplan? | 12:20 |
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| mikhas | well, there are those offers for spotify for instance | 12:21 |
| Trizt | mikhas: they don't have everything, damn I miss a proper recordplayer so I can get my LP's to mp3 | 12:21 |
| mikhas | Trizt, I know that feeling :-( | 12:22 |
| Trizt | that would be a nice second half ;) | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard | 12:23 |
| mikhas | Trizt, a Technics MKII? | 12:23 |
| mikhas | not sure it fits the form factor | 12:23 |
| Trizt | why not | 12:23 |
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| Trizt | would lok cool, the one time you display it to your freinds | 12:24 |
| mikhas | well ok, storing my stuff on my phone so I can carry it around sound about right in 2009, but for 2014? | 12:24 |
| mikhas | I used to store movies on my n900, not music | 12:24 |
| mikhas | (been using that TV adapter from my ps2 to stream directly from my n900 to tv) | 12:25 |
| Kiranos | netflix :) | 12:25 |
| Trizt | mikhas: still the operators charge too much for data trafic and has a lot of limits and then security on cloud solution, just ain't up to par with 2014 | 12:25 |
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| mikhas | Kiranos, precisely | 12:25 |
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| Kiranos | netflix and wifi, almost all hotels etc where you stay has free wifi | 12:25 |
| Kiranos | also trains etc | 12:25 |
| mikhas | yep | 12:26 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, having to use network for listening to music in unacceptable to me | 12:26 |
| mikhas | otherwise it's a lot of boring data management stuff, for making sure you always the right stuff on yoru device, for your next trip etc | 12:26 |
| * Trizt agrees with Venemo_N9 | 12:26 | |
| zutto | why is that unacceptable mikhas? | 12:26 |
| zutto | err, not mikhas i mean Venemo_N9 | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | what if you don't have network? :D | 12:27 |
| mikhas | but a phone is -- fundamentally -- *always* networked | 12:27 |
| zutto | i listen trought network always, all my music is stored safely at home | 12:27 |
| zutto | ggabriel: havent met such time yet | 12:27 |
| mikhas | that's the main idea of a mobile phone | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | so you don't catch the underground? :) | 12:27 |
| zutto | ggabriel: i do | 12:27 |
| zutto | but we have 3g underground too | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | there are places where there isn't | 12:27 |
| zutto | well, i havent been to such place yet | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | and that's one exmaple | 12:27 |
| mikhas | fine, so all you need is time-shift recording for your phone/music | 12:27 |
| Trizt | the problem is still the price and the limtation when you don't have wifi | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | there are places in the world where you have no network | 12:27 |
| zutto | so far, there has always been 3g available for me | 12:27 |
| zutto | sure | 12:28 |
| zutto | in finland there isnt any tho | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | i agree with venemo too | 12:28 |
| Trizt | zutto: never been down in the basement? | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | don't want to pay/watch ads to listen to my music | 12:28 |
| zutto | Trizt: i live in basement | 12:28 |
| zutto | lol | 12:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | zutto, battery life is one issue, another is network speed in certain areas | 12:28 |
| Trizt | the more users the slower speed | 12:29 |
| Kiranos | well the fundamental idea behind a smart phone is stay connected always imo | 12:29 |
| * Trizt should be working | 12:29 | |
| zutto | well the transmission is around 10-20kbps, so the network speed shouldnt be issue long as you dont go down to gprs | 12:29 |
| zutto | battery life might be issue tho | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | uhm... i'd like my phone to work properly disconnected as well | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | that's why i love nokia maps | 12:29 |
| smokex | ^ | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | there are other considerations as roaming charges and what not | 12:30 |
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| zutto | well we dont have those here | 12:30 |
| zutto | ..yet atleast | 12:30 |
| smokex | maps and cameras was the best thing about nokia | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | zutto: when you travel to the US, i'm sure you pay roaming | 12:30 |
| Yaniel | music on sd card works flawlessly here | 12:30 |
| zutto | i | 12:30 |
| zutto | i'm not planning to travel to US anytime soon | 12:30 |
| zutto | its one of the places in the world i avoid | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | that's cool | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | it was an example as well | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | some people like/use spotify | 12:30 |
| smokex | did microsoft buy the camera division or is it still possible for other companies such as jolla to lease the camera hardware | 12:30 |
| Yaniel | just 1gb card since I don't have any other yet but it works | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | smokex: good question, was wondering that myself | 12:31 |
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| ggabriel | not sure whether camera is part of "adv technologies" | 12:31 |
| zutto | i could guess it is | 12:31 |
| phdeswer | smokex: afaik Microsoft has the camera stuff too. And why would they sub-license their main selling point? | 12:31 |
| zutto | phdeswer: nokia has sublicensed alot of things | 12:32 |
| zutto | and with alot i really mean alot | 12:32 |
| smokex | ^^ | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | the difference is that if nokia still licenses it, then they could well license it to jolla | 12:32 |
| Venemo_N9 | always connected != constantly transmitting | 12:32 |
| zutto | Venemo_N9: well you dont have to constantly transmit if you dont want to | 12:33 |
| phdeswer | zutto: sure. But the camera is the main (and almost only ) reason why people still by Nokia phones. | 12:33 |
| zutto | you can always make complicated buffer setups to prebuffer certain amount | 12:33 |
| zutto | and then cut the connection until buffer runs out ;P | 12:33 |
| zutto | phdeswer: good point | 12:33 |
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| ggabriel | zutto: i'd rather my music :) | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i'd rather both options | 12:34 |
| zutto | i was tempted to buy the nokias fancy 40 megapixel-something phone just cause of the camera | 12:34 |
| zutto | ggabriel: yep, they're both very available options | 12:34 |
| zutto | if you dont like streaming, dont stream | 12:34 |
| Venemo_N9 | zutto, also, if there's no 3g on the train because of my shitty operator, i still want to listen to music | 12:34 |
| Venemo_N9 | so, streaming it is not an option | 12:35 |
| zutto | for you it might not be | 12:35 |
| zutto | but here, if you can receive phone calls, you can also listen to streams | 12:35 |
| smokex | the actual company nokia is no longer selling phones | 12:35 |
| zutto | if you go to bomb shelters or something they might be lacking 3g/4g connection depending on the shelter | 12:35 |
| smokex | Microsoft baught the rights to use the brand for 5 years I think? | 12:36 |
| smokex | then the brand can be used by the real company again | 12:36 |
| smokex | Microsoft baght the mobile division | 12:36 |
| smokex | I'm pretty sure that didn't include the camera software and patents | 12:37 |
| smokex | and hardware | 12:37 |
| Venemo_N9 | zutto, I don't live in such a civilized country | 12:37 |
| zutto | do you mind if i ask where you live? | 12:37 |
| Venemo_N9 | zutto, I live in Budapest, Hungary | 12:39 |
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| zutto | i see | 12:40 |
| Venemo_N9 | the network is okay-ish in Budapest and other bigger cities but there's barely 2G on the roads | 12:40 |
| zutto | well that sucks | 12:40 |
| Venemo_N9 | agreed | 12:40 |
| Raim | with Spotify you can also download playlists (requires paid premium account for usage on smartphone). overall it works pretty well for me for some months now, as I mostly listen to a playlist of my recent favorite songs. | 12:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | not everyone here is as addicted to being online on the go as me :P so there's no reason to build 3G on a trainline | 12:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | fortunately, there's 3G available on the metro in Budapest :) | 12:42 |
| * artemma wants to have his Flashlight app submitted yesterday to be reviewed today. Does anybody know how long is the review queue roughly? | 12:43 | |
| mikhas | Venemo_N9, even on line 1? | 12:43 |
| artemma | or if anybody is reviewing at all during pre-Christmas time? | 12:43 |
| * SpeedEvil is quite willing to review apps for a small fee. | 12:43 | |
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| mikhas | OTOH, Budapest is a very nice city if it werent for all the tourists like me ;-) | 12:44 |
| tbr | artemma: reduced man power over the holidays | 12:44 |
| mikhas | santa is reviewing | 12:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, I haven't checked, rarely use line 1; it works on lines 2 and 3 | 12:44 |
| artemma | I guess reduced predictability too.. | 12:44 |
| mikhas | it's just that line 1 feels too ancient to have any of that modern stuff | 12:44 |
| mikhas | and let's not talk about line 4 ;-) | 12:44 |
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| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, line 2 is ancient too and they could install 3G equipment | 12:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, do you also happen to live here? ;) | 12:46 |
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| mikhas | Venemo_N9, no but I considered moving there | 12:48 |
| mikhas | there is a direct train connection Berlin-Budapest, very convenient | 12:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | mikhas, it's a nice place IMO | 12:49 |
| mikhas | yep! | 12:49 |
| mikhas | the better version of vienna | 12:49 |
| mikhas | (if you consider them twin cities) | 12:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | provided you can get used to a crowded big city | 12:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | haven't been to Vienna yet so can't compare | 12:49 |
| Kiranos | offline gps maps is my exception that warrants the rule, on vacation out of the country it sucks that android only allows online map / directions | 12:50 |
| Kiranos | and I really dislike jolla going the same way | 12:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Kiranos: It's not a choice. | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Kiranos: The price for offline maps tends to be _murderous_. | 12:51 |
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| Kiranos | ok that sucks, how does openstreetview do it? | 12:51 |
| Kiranos | the user could download the map by himself when having wifi | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is rights. | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | For OSM - there is no problem as the terms explicitly permit it. | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | For all commercial map vendors - the cost to download maps offline is very high - if it's even permitted at all | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | OSM is very variable however. | 12:53 |
| Tofe | SpeedEvil: I understand, though it seems a very artificial price | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just as artificial as the price of bread. | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Send a lot of vans round the country and digitise everything, then hire a lot of data entry people to add the names, and you too can have feee maps. | 12:54 |
| Tofe | I mean, the average user will never print or redistribute its maps anyway, and the cracker/industrial could as well download automatically all the tiles | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Tofe: The very issue is Jolla. | 12:54 |
| SpeedEvil | If Jolla could legally sell a device with offline maps, it would increase sales somewhat. | 12:55 |
| zutto | why does it matter even if someone distributes the maps? | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The map companies want a slice of that revenue. | 12:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | seems like someone needs to write an openstreetmap app | 12:55 |
| smokex | whats stopping a 3rd party from making an open source - open street maps app that downloads the maps for offline use | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | smokex: Nothing,. | 12:55 |
| Tofe | smokex: osmand exists | 12:56 |
| smokex | once again we think alike Venemo_N9 :) | 12:56 |
| SpeedEvil | smokex: Other than the fact that OSM data is somewhat variable - while good in many regions and countries - in others it's a complet joke. | 12:56 |
| zutto | meh | 12:56 |
| smokex | well its open so that issue can be resolved | 12:56 |
| zutto | just get tomtoms | 12:56 |
| zutto | if you really want offline maps that badly ;l | 12:57 |
| smokex | I was checking out russia on google maps | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | i'll keep my n9 for offline maps | 12:57 |
| ggabriel | until modrana or similar get better | 12:57 |
| smokex | seems the russian street view is badly in need of improvement | 12:57 |
| SpeedEvil | smokex: 'resolving' the issue doesn't help if you're trying to get somewhere with no maps. | 12:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | smokex: Plus, it's actually illegal to do this in some countries. China, for example. | 12:57 |
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| smokex | the whole east side of russia is un-surveyed even though you can see most of the roads on the satellite images | 12:58 |
| Venemo_N9 | smokex, :) | 12:59 |
| Venemo_N9 | it's a shame fk_lx is not around he knows about this maps stuff more | 12:59 |
| * SpeedEvil was very involved in openstreetmap. | 13:00 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe it would be better to have some sort of automatic analyzing feature, from GPS coordinates and pictures and satellite images | 13:00 |
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| * SpeedEvil did most of the road network in Fife. | 13:00 | |
| smokex | automatic analyzing would have to be off in some countries where its illegal as speedevil said | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_lizzy: Getting images which you have the rights to derive information from can be surprisingly expensive, for that very reason. | 13:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can you imagine a nav app that says, please stop the car and take various pictures :-) | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Satellite images. | 13:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is _much_ more expensive to get an image with the rights to make derivitive works - which a map is - than to just get the bare image for use as clipart or whatever. | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: what you say is sad considering that the UK gave google maps+info for free not so many months ago | 13:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the OSM nav app should have a "help" mode, where the nav app requests you to take various pictures to derive roads from it | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: I'm not sure what you mean. Certain Ordinance Survey information was released so that it was free for use. | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: not sure about the specifics, but basically altitude info + path maps were given for free so that google can derive cycling routes easily | 13:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the nav app would draw a frame to see what picture at what direction is required ( compass | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | unsure about the terms though, but I haven't seen downloadable content from google yet | 13:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | + elevation) | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Google tends not to make downloadable content ever. | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | You can access it online with ads - great. | 13:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Any other uses tend to be really limited. | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | that's kind of my point... they get stuff for free, do a little work, give you a cool product and saves your position for ever | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | anywsay | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | i'd buy a "nokia maps" application with offline maps if it were available | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure it will be much cheaper than a sat nav | 13:06 |
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| ggabriel | s/will/would/ | 13:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | since there is a qt5-plugin-geoservices-nokia ; is there also a qt5-plugin-geoservices-osm ? | 13:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone check? | 13:08 |
| tabasko_ | how I search installed packages with pkcon? | 13:09 |
| tbr | pkcon search name foobar | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Here maps' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006T3BHN6/ref=mas_ya_dp used to be available on the amazon appstore | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It did not allow significant offline downloading | 13:10 |
| tabasko_ | AL13N_lizzy: qt5-plugin-geoservices-osm is available on default repos, but not installed as default | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://here.com/download - I see they now don't do other than windows phones | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | What a surprise | 13:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tabasko_: interesting | 13:11 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | SpeedEvil: the N9 has some kind of hidden support page for enabling offline maps ? | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garmin-Wuerzburg-GmbH-NAVIGON-Central/dp/B00CC1RRS8/ref=sr_1_1?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1387804493&sr=1-1&keywords=navigon | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | AL13N_lizzy: I don't know | 13:16 |
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| tabasko_ | AL13N_lizzy: in N9 it wasnt very hidden if you mean that. Options -> offline maps -> download maps | 13:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | SpeedEvil: here.com/download --> N9 --> "Go to support page for offline use of apps" | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | no idea if that works | 13:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but there is no link to this support page or whatever | 13:17 |
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| Venemo_N9 | any advice for when I first turn the jolla on? | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo_N9: Do it behind a blast shield, remotely. | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N9 | I heard some people had issues when turning it on with the LE TOH, or was that just hoax? | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Wearing nipple clamps for extra protection. | 13:23 |
| anacron | :--D | 13:23 |
| Waitee | try not to masturbate on it | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously. | 13:23 |
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| Venemo_N9 | lol | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | TOH seems in some cases (including mine) to increase battery usage dramatically. | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | But - this can be fixed with a power cycle, and removing the RFID sticker. | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | (there are probably more sensible fixes) | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: you can shut down tohd.service | 13:24 |
| Waitee | or just by disabling the toh daemon | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Like that. | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | jolla's official message is "wait for the fix" :) | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I hadn't gone into the software. | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | so if you disable it, remember to enable it before you update next | 13:24 |
| Venemo_N9 | ggabriel, does that also reduce power usage? | 13:24 |
| macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399853&postcount=2275 | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_N9: i don't know personally, but it's been reported... | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or just pull off the sticker - which is easy to do | 13:25 |
| macmaN | i'm pretty sure i'm seeing monstrous battery life improvement disabling tohd | 13:25 |
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| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: you may break it, if you don't care about it, go for it :) | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: Does the sticker have any actual data in it - or just an ID. | 13:25 |
| zbenjamin | the phone unlocks really easy even inside a pocket. i called my dad at 3:45 am last weekend. Good that he leaves his phone out of the sleeping room | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: i have no clue, but again, jolla at some point said it was an ID | 13:25 |
| DeeGee_ | add only one account at a time. at least for me the account settings screen either jumped by itself to next/last screen or by slightest touch. and it forgot what i had already input. | 13:26 |
| Aard | SpeedEvil: there's an id on it. you break it, you loose the additional content | 13:26 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | the NFC tag has actual data | 13:26 |
| Aard | so the tinfoil variant is safer, until a fix is out | 13:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or at least the option for it | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess a tiny tinfoil patch will work | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | you can't store too much in that tag anyway | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Clear-NFC-Tags-Stickers-25mm-Round-NXP-NTAG203-All-Mobiles-Tablets-/271279788892?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item3f2989135c - on stickers | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: that was the other option | 13:26 |
| Venemo_N9 | disabling a systemd service sounds way nicer than tinfoil or breaking things | 13:27 |
| ortylp | is there a way to turn off completely this NFC crap? | 13:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | why not just "systemctl stop tohd.service" | 13:27 |
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| Venemo_N9 | Aard, is there actually any content in there? | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | ok, i'll bring my rfid reader this xmas and read the other half | 13:28 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: no | 13:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo_N9: http://www.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comments/1t9xtv/jolla_white_the_other_half_nfc_contents/ | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | or at least try to | 13:28 |
| tbr | the tags in ToH I've seen are Mifare Ultralights with 137 byte capacity, but it only uses the UUID | 13:28 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: though the id of the tag is stored | 13:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | Aard, so what does he lose exactly if he breaks it? | 13:28 |
| tbr | there are larger NFC tags ofc | 13:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: ^^ | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: aye | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | i'll do it again anyway because it's fun | 13:29 |
| ggabriel | :D | 13:29 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: the possibility to activate the associated content when putting on ToH | 13:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the best thing is that it's open and you can probably do something with it yourself | 13:29 |
| ortylp | isn't it better to turn all radio devices off if not used/needed? | 13:29 |
| zbenjamin | btw shouldn't there be a own ambience for the white cover? | 13:29 |
| Aard | zbenjamin: there is | 13:29 |
| Venemo_N9 | tbr, yes but Aard just said there's no such content | 13:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i suspect that later upgrades might make use of the tags | 13:29 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: i don't have one :/ | 13:30 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: no, you misunderstood | 13:30 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: the store knows the id of the tag, and hands out the content | 13:30 |
| tbr | Venemo_N9: associated is the keyword | 13:30 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: only for my LE TOH it downloaded something | 13:30 |
| Venemo_N9 | okay, but what is the associated content? | 13:30 |
| crysaz | was the devel-su password nemo? | 13:30 |
| tbr | crysaz: settings | 13:30 |
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| Aard | zbenjamin: what happens if you attache the other one? | 13:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo_N9: also, future updates could actually store something on TOH | 13:31 |
| smokex | the LE TOH contained detailed hardware specifications for the TOH device | 13:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also LE TOH, might get more associated content in the future | 13:31 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: currently I think only ambience + limited edition sound theme | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | Aard, also, is the NFC available to app developers? | 13:31 |
| Aard | though we can add whatever we want at any point | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: well the red one will download a ambience, the white on i have to try if it does anything | 13:31 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: no | 13:31 |
| smokex | just kidding | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N9 | Aard, why not? | 13:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the devel ML said: "not yet" | 13:32 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: a) it's a pretty small antenna, so you might not pick up stuff outside of the backcover b) there's already an nfc tag in front of it | 13:32 |
| Pnuu | putting the TOH loads and sets the associated ambience, nothing more | 13:32 |
| Venemo_N9 | Aard, oh :( | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N9 | Pnuu, ah, ok | 13:33 |
| tbr | Pnuu: that's what it does for the ToH that people have seen so far, yes. | 13:33 |
| crysaz | tbr: apparently i have to enable remote ssh logins, to change the passwd | 13:33 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: I tried a few times before release, didn't manage to get it recognize tags that 'far' away | 13:33 |
| tbr | crysaz: correct | 13:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the good thing is that if you have TOH on it/near, NFC cannot be tracked | 13:33 |
| Pnuu | tbr: yeah, good addition :-) | 13:34 |
| zbenjamin | Aard: weird now it works | 13:34 |
| Venemo_N9 | Aard, is this likely to change in the future? would be awesome if it could eg. connect to an nfc enabled headset | 13:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though possibly you could remove TOH and use the NFC for bluetooth pairing if the phones are REALLY close? | 13:34 |
| Aard | Venemo_N9: no promises there | 13:35 |
| Aard | bbl | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | Venemo_N9: i think the anteanna isn't that strong, so you probably need another other half | 13:36 |
| smokex | thats an awful lot of power consumption just to change abiences and track your wearabouts at grocery stores and airports | 13:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo_N9: the one who wrote that link with TOH info, told me that he could pick up stuff from 2.5cm away, but it's probably gonna need A) firmware update B) TOH removal, to be able to use it for NFC pairing or whatnot | 13:37 |
| * smokex goes to watch a conspiracy theory movie | 13:37 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | smokex: the power consumption is probably a small bug | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | smokex: just remember, reality is stranger than fiction | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: that's interesting | 13:37 |
| smokex | hah :D | 13:37 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | in a way, the TOH nearness actually prevents usage for something else, (and thus you're also safe from tracking :-) ) | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: my thoughts exactly | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | i wasn't sure whether rfid can power 2 tags at the same time | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | or rather >1 tag | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | but that could well depend on the antenna | 13:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm not sure either, it could be a firmware thing | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | AL13N_lizzy, I think it also depends on the antenna strength of the other device | 13:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the antenna is the reason you can't pick up things from more than 2.5cm away | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | anybody knows if this reddit guy used a tool in jolla or elsewhere? | 13:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | probably | 13:39 |
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| ggabriel | i mean, do we have something in userland that we can use to read the nfc tag? | 13:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: afaik he used a NFC reader | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | ok | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N9 | AL13N_lizzy, 2.5cm is more than enough | 13:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: no idea, but i got the impression from devel ML, that it might come for apps | 13:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can't guarantee though | 13:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo_N9: imho, yes | 13:40 |
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| ggabriel | good, i have something else to play with | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | i need to remember what tools i used | 13:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thing is, i donno if the NFC reader on jolla can actually be used to track other NFC readers | 13:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | AL13N_lizzy, for N9, I literally had to touch the two devices | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | nfc is almost useless anyway :) | 13:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | which is what you're gonna need for payment or pairing | 13:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this is the part that may need firmware update | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | other nfc readers? well, hopefully not | 13:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: if you don't, you can't pair 2 phones with NFC for bluetooth | 13:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or pay with NFC | 13:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | unless you use TOH for paying and remove the phone | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | not sure it works that way tbh | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | but i may be wrong | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | my nokia speakers should have just a tag | 13:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the NFC reader couldn't pick up the tag from TOH if the phone was near | 13:43 |
| tbr | NFC supports multiple tags... | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | tbr: thanks | 13:43 |
| tbr | but yeah, everybody in here is clearly an superior expert on NFC, so I'm going to shut up and do something else | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | i assume depending on antenna, type of tag, etc? | 13:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tbr: plz don't | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | we're just talking :) | 13:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tbr: you're the expert here | 13:43 |
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| tbr | I'm neither | 13:44 |
| tbr | but I know a thing or two | 13:44 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | the only thing i know from NFC is what that person wrote on the link and from when i talked to him | 13:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i just forgot the name of the person | 13:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i should check logs | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | anyway, gotta leave now | 13:45 |
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| Venemo_N9 | ttyl guys! :) | 13:45 |
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| jubo2 | High-speed irc!! | 13:46 |
| Waitee | :D | 13:46 |
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| smokex | the reason we're spouting incorrect guessed info about things is so the experts in here can correct us and tell us whats really up | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | smokex: personally, at this point is just food for play :) | 13:47 |
| smokex | :) | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | i'll bring me rfid reader with me | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | i haven't used it in a while | 13:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | smokex: anyway, point is... there's still potential there, and we'll just have to wait | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | just bear in mind that somebody said that "the antenna wasn't enough" | 13:49 |
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| ggabriel | not sure what that meant exactly | 13:49 |
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| tbr | the antenna is small. which means the range is very limited | 13:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: probably for range/strength to go past the TOH tag? | 13:49 |
| tbr | as it was designed to reach the ToH tag and nothing more | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 13:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | As a first estimate - RFID antennas have a range about equivalent to their diameter. | 13:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | So, a centimeter is probably pushing it. | 13:51 |
| smokex | so it could have problems reaching an improperly placed oh sticker | 13:52 |
| Acce | hey, what was the name of the tutorial package? | 13:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the hello world app? | 13:54 |
| Acce | nope, the one which teaches how to use the phone | 13:56 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | there's youtube tutorials? | 14:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or do you mean that wizard that came on during first bootup? | 14:00 |
| smokex | demo | 14:00 |
| smokex | something | 14:00 |
| * smokex restarts his N950 | 14:01 | |
| Acce | yeah, that exactly, my dad wants to try the phone and i thought it would be best to make him go through that first | 14:01 |
| smokex | there are 2 hidden files in your home dir and if they aren't present the wizards run and then create those files | 14:02 |
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| smokex | /home/nemo/.jolla-startupwizard-done and /home/nemo/.jolla-startupwizard-usersession-done | 14:06 |
| Acce | smokex, what do you mean? i removed that so i need to install it again with pkcon, right? | 14:06 |
| smokex | you removed the startup wizard apps? | 14:07 |
| Acce | i mean i removed the demo/tutorial app | 14:07 |
| Acce | yep | 14:07 |
| smokex | oh yeah you need to add them back | 14:07 |
| smokex | if you want your dad to see the demos | 14:08 |
| Acce | well it's an easy way for him to learn the swipe ui, i guess | 14:09 |
| smokex | easy to re-add them too | 14:13 |
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| * artemma got so used to automatic GMail filtering to inbox subfolders (Forums, Updates, etc), that it feels weird to establish rules for putting sailfish mailing list to the real mail folder. That is not to get too many notifications on a Jolla phone (official GMail client alerts you on Primary mails only) | 14:24 | |
| spider-mario | hm, maybe the text rendering of the application grid could use some hinting | 14:25 |
| spider-mario | what do you think? | 14:25 |
| Skorpy | my google account keeps getting logged out or something. anyone else have this problem? | 14:28 |
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| Pnuu | spider-mario: what kind of hinting? | 14:30 |
| Pnuu | "ooh, suits you sir!" | 14:30 |
| spider-mario | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_hinting | 14:30 |
| spider-mario | :D | 14:30 |
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| Turski | Skorpy: i have same problem | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | another question i've wondered about | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | when you guys hit memory pressure, do you see lockups of the entire UI, and how long? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | i worked on this particular issue so wondering how it works in field | 14:38 |
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| rantom | Is there a simple way to restart the Twitter-feed in Events? My icons stopped loading, again | 14:44 |
| rantom | Not really in the mood to restart the device since I'd have to re-insert the SD-card too.. | 14:44 |
| rantom | s/icons/avatars/ | 14:45 |
| FireFly | spider-mario: I think it looks pretty good as is | 14:45 |
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| FireFly | Overall, I like the font & font rendering I've seen so far | 14:46 |
| FireFly | Hm, I guess maybe some hinting in the application grid would be nice, but I'm worrying that it'll lead to unevenness between characters.. | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: there's some font improvements coming, we tuned it a bit | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | but until it's in an delivered update it can always be pulled, so can't say which | 14:49 |
| Wnt | Any news about the together.jolla.com community portal? The press release said that it should have been opened last week. | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: things can always slip, but rest assured, people are working hard on it | 14:52 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: good to know | 14:53 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: only memory related problems I have experienced is that when I have lot's of applications open, especially Android apps fail to start | 14:54 |
| Wnt | or I assume it's a memory related problem | 14:54 |
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| Wnt | as closing gallery etc apps helps to that | 14:55 |
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| rantom | The together-subdomain is going to be like a bugzilla? | 14:57 |
| rantom | In this case "like" meaning similar in function | 14:57 |
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| nander | The ACL lags when a wireless status change pops up | 15:00 |
| nander | When that happens you pretty much lose a game like bit trip beat | 15:00 |
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| FireFly | ACL? | 15:06 |
| * FireFly associates that abbreviation with "access control list", but that's probably wrong in this context | 15:07 | |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: interesting, thanks for the info | 15:07 |
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| friese | ACL -> Android Compatibility Layer i guess... | 15:10 |
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| DeeGee_ | Isn't there a separate project called ACL, that hasn't anything to do with Jollas Myriad Group Alien Dalvik? | 15:11 |
| friese | though i thought, jolla is not using that... | 15:11 |
| friese | it's the thing webos uses for example, i guess blackberry10 too... | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | aha, jolla has arrived at my grovery store | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | time to charge my N900 so I'll have usable ssh terminal? :D | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: go pick it up? | 15:17 |
| spider-mario | hm, the French translation of the Yandex Store is a little bit confusing | 15:18 |
| spider-mario | there’s a field labeled “Your name” and one labeled “Name” | 15:18 |
| spider-mario | which one is the first name? | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | ggabriel; car is plugged in, waiting for the glacier on it to recede a bit. :) | 15:18 |
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| ggabriel | ShadowJK: woohoo | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: that is one of the reasons why i always used techonlogy in english | 15:19 |
| macmaN | disabling tohd is absolute battery life magic | 15:20 |
| macmaN | battery is sitting on 96% for 3 hours now | 15:20 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders ordering a SIM card. | 15:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I should get squaretrade first. | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | (accidental damage cover) | 15:21 |
| micko_ | I haven't tested idle usage, but 10 hours of my normal use and 100% -> 88% | 15:21 |
| micko_ | that's quite good | 15:21 |
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| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: you'll never damage it if you get accidental damage cover ;-) | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder whether the switch is functional on every device | 15:23 |
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| macmaN | micko_: with or without tohd | 15:25 |
| micko_ | without. when tohd is activated my battery goes down to 50% on my average usage during 14h | 15:28 |
| macmaN | yep. tohd sucking is pretty much confirmed then all around. | 15:31 |
| smokex | wonder what its doing that uses so much power | 15:31 |
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| smokex | is the battery in the front or back half | 15:32 |
| spider-mario | constant NFC polling, if I understand correctly | 15:32 |
| Pnuu | smokex: front | 15:32 |
| spider-mario | or something like that | 15:32 |
| smokex | does the hardware send a signal when a back half is plugged in | 15:32 |
| smokex | or does it seriously do a continuous nfc poll | 15:33 |
| artemma | okay Flashlight app review probably wont happen before Christmas anymore. Oh well, will be after-Christmas present then | 15:33 |
| smokex | I wonder what time is on the QTimer | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | smokex: just guessing here: the device has a sensor for the cover | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | so it'd be trivial to activate the nfc polling only when that state changes to "cover on" | 15:34 |
| smokex | and only on the change | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | i do wonder how this works on the n9 for example | 15:34 |
| Pnuu | my guess is that the NFC sensor polls every x seconds, and when it detects a TOH it keeps on "communicating" all the time | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | how does it know that it has to work | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | maybe accelerometer | 15:34 |
| smokex | if state was cover off and state is now cover on -> ambience apply | 15:34 |
| smokex | and nfc poll | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: no point doing that since the tag has very limited data... | 15:35 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: yeah, I know | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | and i'd guess that the action consumes a lot of power | 15:35 |
| Pnuu | but it has to detect TOH somehow, and polling is the firts that comes to mind | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: there's a sensor :D | 15:35 |
| Pnuu | and after detection the chip starts to do "something" really power hungry | 15:36 |
| smokex | only poll when the state was no cover and changed to has cover | 15:36 |
| smokex | whats the point of this continuous polling.. that can easily be avoided | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | that's probably going to be the fix ;-) | 15:36 |
| ggabriel | although i wouldn't mind having a switch in settings to turn that off completely | 15:37 |
| smokex | yeah | 15:37 |
| smokex | the ambience gimmic means nothing to me | 15:37 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: what is the sensor then that detects the nfc tag on TOH if not the NFC chip? | 15:37 |
| smokex | I prefer to manually make my own ambiences | 15:37 |
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| smokex | its just a text file with the path to a picture and 4 color settings | 15:38 |
| smokex | and an optional but haven't seen it used yet sound file path | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: there's another sensor | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | like a proximity sensor | 15:39 |
| Azog | is there a fix yet for "press on the sim card an get connection loss"? does everyone have this problem? | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | but now that you mention it, i'm not sure where i read that | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | so it may be BS | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | (hopefully not) | 15:39 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: why there would be? | 15:39 |
| Pnuu | that sensor would also need to detect that there's a nfc tag in proximyt | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | to detect that you physically have an other half, i don't know | 15:39 |
| Pnuu | proximity | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | well, no | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | once you sense the other half, you poll once | 15:40 |
| niceduck | question about battery level : 11AM I had power level 48% ... now, after 6 and half hours, it is 78% !? | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | if you get data, good; if not, also good | 15:40 |
| Pnuu | 'cause that tag is the only way to know there's a TOH present | 15:40 |
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| ggabriel | Pnuu: not really, you could have other halves without a tag | 15:40 |
| smokex | the physical connector between bh and fh has a bus to allow device communication beyond nfc iiuc | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | unless jolla states that they need a tag | 15:40 |
| smokex | for keyboard for example | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | smokex: correct | 15:40 |
| Turski | Pnuu: there's a micro switch next to the battery | 15:40 |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: yeah, and then there's no problem with power consumption :-P | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: dunno... we are treading unkown oceans though | 15:41 |
| Pnuu | Turski: still, the foil -trick or removing the tag wouldn't work | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | jolla hasn't said what the specs for communicating with toh yet | 15:41 |
| smokex | we are treading unknown oceans in a life boat | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | ^^ | 15:41 |
| Turski | Pnuu: but cutting the pin that pushes the micro switch would | 15:42 |
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| Pnuu | Turski: but both of those work without breaking the micro switch | 15:42 |
| Turski | Pnuu: cutting the pin doesn to break the micro swith... | 15:43 |
| Turski | Pnuu: the pin is on TOH... | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | Turski: so that's the sensor then? :) | 15:43 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's i2c. You hook up some known i2c trinket to it, and then try communicate with it on the available i2c busses to find which bus TOH pins are on. | 15:43 |
| Turski | ggabriel: i believe so | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | that's exactly what i remember seeing in pictures somewhere | 15:43 |
| Pnuu | hmm | 15:43 |
| Turski | yes, i can confirm that is the sensor | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | so then the fix for the nfc issue should be trivial | 15:44 |
| Turski | i placed TOH upside down with the tag on the reader, and when i pressed that micro swith with a pen, it did read the tag | 15:44 |
| smokex | yep | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | which is great news | 15:44 |
| Pnuu | but why would the tinfoil -trick work without touching the micro switch? | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: you need to know the rf in rfid | 15:45 |
| Turski | ggabriel: but also you can disable tohd.service | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | blocks the signal | 15:45 |
| smokex | the micro switch starts the nfc polling | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | smokex: uh? | 15:45 |
| Turski | tinfoil will not block the signal unless it's proberly grounded | 15:45 |
| smokex | you should still have high battery consumption even with the tin foil | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | Turski: yeah, tohd.service is the best workaround yet | 15:45 |
| Pnuu | ok, so if the switch starts the polling, why does the tinfoil lower the power consumption? | 15:45 |
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| Turski | Pnuu: well, tag will consume i little abount of power that it gets from electric field | 15:46 |
| smokex | maybe the daemon gives up if it doesn't find anything at all | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: good question, somebody who knows rfid should know | 15:46 |
| smokex | after a period of time | 15:46 |
| Pnuu | smokex: could be, yeah | 15:47 |
| smokex | if I stick black tape over my remote control, pushing a button repeatedly will still run the battery out in the same amount of time.. same principle | 15:48 |
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| ggabriel | i don't think it works like that | 15:49 |
| smokex | nfc technology is just a weak transciever | 15:50 |
| Pnuu | smokex: that would be comparable, if the television would answer to the remote | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | uhm... i wouldn't say that | 15:50 |
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| ggabriel | coz the "reader" has to power up the tag :D | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | otherwise both components would be active | 15:51 |
| smokex | http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM76/CL1766/SC1540 | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | it's a pain to generalise | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | as there are plenty of tags | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | the one that jolla uses is def passive | 15:52 |
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| ggabriel | and it's a good question as to why the tinfoil wouldn't avoid battery drainage | 15:52 |
| ggabriel | maybe somebody (not me) wants to test it :) | 15:52 |
| Pnuu | the explanation that smokex gave (daemon gives up) sounds plausible | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | def one possibility | 15:53 |
| vegai | just removing the sticker helps already, so why wouldn't a tinfoil :P | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | too true vegai | 15:54 |
| smokex | I'm betting cpu use for the nfc daemon will drop to near nothing about 1-5 minutes after the micro switch is triggered | 15:54 |
| smokex | someone could run top and check | 15:54 |
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| smokex | that is if the nfc is removed or tin foil | 15:55 |
| smokex | or no back half actually present and switch triggered by hand | 15:55 |
| smokex | myself I don't have a jolla phone so.. | 15:58 |
| Milo- | the ambience system is really great. I really like how it can turn crappy quality images into awesomeness | 15:58 |
| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/jolla/monopoli.png http://u.meelo.org/jolla/page1.png http://u.meelo.org/jolla/page2.png | 15:58 |
| smokex | I do have a phone running sailfish but it doesn't have an nfc chip | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | Milo-: pretty cool :) | 16:00 |
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| Milo- | I'd like to know what causes fingerterm+ssh to freeze while task switching. | 16:02 |
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| Turski | maybe the same thing that freezes when launching brower from url grabber... which is mystery for me | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I look at the moment at a nexus 7 that I'm about to send off to them. | 16:09 |
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| ShadowJK | to foursquare? | 16:10 |
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| hR13 | Hi all, Just got my jolla today :-) but im having problems configuring the 3G connection since i can not change "choose network automatic" any one with any ideas on how to change that? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | hR13: 3g data or it simply doesn't pop on 3g? | 16:14 |
| hR13 | Stskeeps, I know I need to set the internet.myprovider.se manually I have had to do that on all my previos phones inorder to get the 3G to work | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | hR13: press and hold on the 'internet' or 'mobile broadband provider' or whichever entry there is for data | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | and then edit | 16:17 |
| hR13 | I just realized that there is an update i will install that first. | 16:18 |
| artemma | there is no quick search for app by typing app name in sailfish, is there? | 16:18 |
| * artemma started getting lost with over one screen of app icons already | 16:18 | |
| artemma | actually over two screen. A little over one was still rememberable | 16:19 |
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| ottulo | artemma: did you try to group them somehow? | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: To squaretrade | 16:28 |
| artemma | ottulo: yes, by alphabet. But never had enough patience :D | 16:28 |
| ottulo | artemma: I grouped them according to what they're for - games in a group, media apps in another, browsers, games etc | 16:28 |
| artemma | gtoup? | 16:29 |
| artemma | are groups possible? | 16:29 |
| ottulo | well, not really | 16:29 |
| artemma | or you just put them one next to another one? | 16:29 |
| smokex | slide from left to right in store | 16:29 |
| ottulo | but I dragged them next to each other | 16:29 |
| artemma | ah | 16:29 |
| ottulo | smokex: in the app launcher grid | 16:29 |
| ottulo | not store | 16:29 |
| artemma | hmm, automatic alphabetical sorting could be a nice app idea. | 16:29 |
| artemma | though not sure what defines the order of icons in the grid. Might be some internal settings file | 16:30 |
| smokex | a complete rewrite of the store would be better | 16:30 |
| ottulo | artemma: not sure, all I know is they reset once when I had to reboot... | 16:30 |
| * artemma is talking more about a launcher grid. Store will definitely be improved anyway - looks way too bad right now | 16:30 | |
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| artemma | ottulo: reset? | 16:31 |
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| ottulo | artemma: I had moved them around to groups like I explained above | 16:31 |
| artemma | ottulo: you mean your icon dragging/rearrangement efforts are lost on reboot? auch | 16:31 |
| hR13 | Thanks Stskeeps now I got it working | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | hR13: good | 16:31 |
| ottulo | after reboot they were in a different order | 16:31 |
| artemma | not good | 16:31 |
| ottulo | artemma: only happened once, so it might've been a glitch | 16:32 |
| ottulo | ah, now I remember | 16:32 |
| artemma | sounds like a bug to me. If rearranging exists, they must have thought about actually saving the order | 16:32 |
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| ottulo | I switched the device language to see if it affects the map app (using km/mi) | 16:32 |
| ottulo | after that reboot the apps were in a different order | 16:33 |
| ottulo | but I didn't notice that when switching back to english | 16:33 |
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| hR13 | Any one got a good tip on a CalDav app for jolla? | 16:34 |
| * artemma downloaded cool jolla images from dropbox (using sailbox) to.. where? Can't find the folder with them and they are not shown in Pictures | 16:34 | |
| * artemma always mumbled that loosing track photos is what's gonna happen if you let developers like him mess with file system freely, out of ios-like walled gardens | 16:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | find / -name "*.jpeg" | 16:35 |
| ottulo | ~/dropbox iirc | 16:36 |
| artemma | ah, console to rescue, of course | 16:36 |
| ottulo | yep, that's it | 16:36 |
| ottulo | artemma: ~/dropbox | 16:36 |
| ottulo | no subfolders either... | 16:37 |
| artemma | thanks, found | 16:37 |
| artemma | now why are these not visible in Pictures? | 16:37 |
| artemma | do I need to kick indexer somehow? | 16:37 |
| ottulo | I guess they only refresh the premade folders | 16:37 |
| artemma | So solution would be to copy to pictures?.. | 16:38 |
| niceduck | Half time info : MfE with office365 goes thru activation wizard, but cannot actually connect to account on email application | 16:38 |
| ottulo | artemma: yes | 16:38 |
| artemma | maybe sdcard supported too | 16:38 |
| artemma | except that file browser can only view for now.. | 16:38 |
| artemma | oh well, back to console then | 16:38 |
| Pnuu | how to send a file over bluetooth from jolla? | 16:40 |
| Pnuu | receiving works fine | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | share? | 16:41 |
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| Pnuu | can't find a way share a mp3 | 16:43 |
| Pnuu | images and videos, yes | 16:43 |
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| nibbler | is there no integration for XMPP into contacts and presence yet with 1.0.1.12? | 16:51 |
| nibbler | found it. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92053 | 16:56 |
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| spider-mario | I can’t seem to use the phone as a usb storage medium | 17:09 |
| mord | is there a way to power down the pn544 via sysfs? | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: nope, just mtp | 17:10 |
| spider-mario | oh, ok. | 17:10 |
| spider-mario | thanks | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | nw | 17:10 |
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| Yaniel | duuude that capital M lools awful in fingerterm | 17:16 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: pic or it never happened | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | MMMMMMMM | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | :) | 17:17 |
| * ShadowJK has jolla now | 17:17 | |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: \o/ | 17:18 |
| AJAX555 | welcome to the jolla owners club! | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | DHL->Itella, curiously | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | ah, you in .fi | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | dhl supply chain* | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | screenshotted, gonna take a while until I can upload it | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | this is what i suspect dhl is doing for jolla: http://www.dhl.com/en/logistics/supply_chain_solutions/what_we_do/assembly_and_packaging_services.html | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | but seriously it "makes my eyes bleed" | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: i'm only joking, i'll check soon enough | 17:19 |
| Yaniel | it looks like a W with terrible resolution | 17:21 |
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| ShadowJK | what does spreadsheet look like now? | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: i was in the last 500 orders | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | and i've got the device | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | so.... :) | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | i bet they're already done | 17:24 |
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| ggabriel | except for pepole with import issues or other exceptions | 17:24 |
| Yaniel | last 500? how do you know? | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | also, i didn't update my line | 17:24 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: order number | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel: I didn't either D; | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: which one are you? | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel: AJAX555 | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | order number i mean | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | should be received | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | ah, 3655 iirc | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | i don't have the spreadsheet url... | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | you're vrey close to me | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | and you are in picking? | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | I dont have it on laptop either | 17:25 |
| AJAX555 | ggabriel: I received mine last friday | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | my order was 0 euros as well, so super low priority | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: ok, i misunderstood then | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | i thought you said you didn't receive it :) | 17:26 |
| AJAX555 | ah ;D | 17:26 |
| ggabriel | so, at least 2 lines will be incomplete | 17:26 |
| AJAX555 | no, I got my sweet sweet jolla ;) | 17:26 |
| nibbler | hmm. i just found out how to set the mail-addr. that's straight forward... sqlite3 .config/libaccounts-glib/accounts.db ; sqlite> update Settings SET value='Your Name' where key='fullName'; sqlite> update Settings SET value='my@dress' where key='emailaddress'; | 17:26 |
| AJAX555 | unless some kind person is willing to change those for us | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | nibbler: there's a tool | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | hang on | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | ag-tool? | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | nibbler: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1399951#post1399951 | 17:27 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: aye | 17:27 |
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| ggabriel | a bit safer than sqlite | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=1 | 17:27 |
| Pnuu | grep <3 | 17:28 |
| nibbler | ggabriel: ah! good to know :-) | 17:28 |
| ggabriel | nibbler: i learned it minutes ago, but didn't try it :) | 17:29 |
| nibbler | ggabriel: was just doing an egrep -r for my username and found the config db :> | 17:29 |
| ggabriel | my jolla is under the tree... i must be the only one waiting | 17:29 |
| spider-mario | hm, for some reason, it won’t let me access the Music directory via MTP | 17:30 |
| spider-mario | :/ | 17:30 |
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| nibbler | ggabriel: hmm, no ag-tool on my jolla. also, no package | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | nibbler: you need to install | 17:31 |
| nibbler | which package? | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | did you run pkcon install libaccounts-glib-tools? | 17:31 |
| nibbler | aah, libaccounts-glib-tools! alright. | 17:32 |
| nibbler | thanks | 17:32 |
| ggabriel | np | 17:32 |
| * ggabriel wonders if ag-tool is anti gravity tool | 17:34 | |
| nibbler | meh. | 17:35 |
| nibbler | Fatal error: Download (curl) error for 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla/armv7hl/core/armv7hl/check-0.9.8-1.1.1.armv7hl.rpm': | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | wow, proxyserver support. Impressive. Even more so if it works :-) | 17:35 |
| nibbler | anyway. using the sqlite3 shell is good enough. | 17:35 |
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| parasemic | what was the command to disable TOH in terminal? | 17:40 |
| Pnuu | parasemic: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 17:40 |
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| micko_ | I have three lines with key='emailaddress'. my gmail (which works), my other mail (which doesn't) and third one with just my username for the non-working mail | 17:41 |
| micko_ | on sqlite | 17:41 |
| parasemic | thx | 17:41 |
| micko_ | is the first field (int) an id for account? | 17:41 |
| micko_ | I don't remember how to get field names in sqlite... | 17:42 |
| nibbler | yes | 17:42 |
| nibbler | PRAGMA table_info(table_name); gives you a list of the column descriptors. | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | uh, that thing at the start where you enter your name and stuff.. where do you edit that afterwards? | 17:43 |
| micko_ | nibbler: thanks | 17:43 |
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| PeperJohnny | Hey Guys, did anyone else have the problem, that whenever you put on the other half white they get "other half not working"? | 17:47 |
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| micko_ | now this is weird... I removed the non-working account (to see why I had two of them). other did remain and I checked what more info I can find there... sqlite says that 2|0|auth/oauth2/user_agent/Host|s|'www.facebook.com' | 17:53 |
| micko_ | this is really weird because that mailaddress has nothing to do with facebook | 17:54 |
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| micko_ | I removed fb-account from jolla and that account dissappeared on sqlite. looks like jolla for some reason attached the wrong mail to my fb-info | 17:55 |
| spider-mario | I think I’ve found a procedure that reliably crashes the calculator app | 17:55 |
| spider-mario | 1. Enter “2×3=” | 17:56 |
| spider-mario | 2. Touch the 2 | 17:56 |
| spider-mario | 3. Press the correct key three times | 17:56 |
| spider-mario | → *crash* | 17:56 |
| PeperJohnny | Working here spider-mario | 17:57 |
| spider-mario | oh, is it? | 17:57 |
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| spider-mario | when I do it, the first press on the correct key changes the 2 to 0 | 17:57 |
| spider-mario | the second press removes the 0 but leaves the × | 17:57 |
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| spider-mario | the third press triggers the crash, probably because the focus is lost | 17:58 |
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| PeperJohnny | thats odd, here its working fine | 17:58 |
| Venemo | hey! | 17:58 |
| Venemo | fedex screwed me up at the end, but I went in there personally and secured my jolla :) | 17:59 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: woohoo, good effort | 17:59 |
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| spider-mario | what the | 18:00 |
| spider-mario | now that I try to film it, it doesn’t crash anymore | 18:00 |
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| Venemo | it is AAAWWWEEESSSOOOMMMEEE!!! | 18:00 |
| spider-mario | ah, got it | 18:00 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: http://xkcd.com/921/ | 18:00 |
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| ShadowJK | this is silly, the stupid onscreen keyboard typoed my name and now I can't find where to fix it :D | 18:01 |
| Quu | ShadowJK: rofl | 18:01 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Hehe Venemo congrats :) | 18:03 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if device reset let him start over D: | 18:03 | |
| Morpog_Mobile | Now get me irc-chatter ;) | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I need an irc client too | 18:03 |
| ShadowJK | typing this on n900 | 18:03 |
| Venemo | doing it :) | 18:04 |
| Venemo | there are a few issues though | 18:04 |
| Venemo | jolla can't connect to my wifi | 18:04 |
| faenil | Venemo, so it was in Budapest today? :D | 18:04 |
| Venemo | faenil: yes, and after talking to them on the phone they said they could deliver it to me here, even. however in the afternoon they called me back and said that the guy responsible didn't read the email about it, so I either go there in person or it'll be delivered until 2nd january | 18:05 |
| petantik | native irc is useful, although i prefer it on my vps so you can ssh from anywhere | 18:05 |
| faenil | lol | 18:05 |
| faenil | Venemo, well done, and you were lucky as well :) | 18:05 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: pfff, sucks when they do that | 18:05 |
| Venemo | so, when I select my local wifi it says, "Sorry. Could not connect to selected network." - but it doesn't say WHY!!! | 18:05 |
| FireFly | Hm | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | I hate software that doesn't say why | 18:06 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: yes, this is actually the second time something like this happens to me | 18:06 |
| Venemo | hm! | 18:06 |
| Venemo | maybe it doesn't support N wifi? | 18:06 |
| ggabriel | nah, it should have n | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | hm. Updated OS, now it says TOH not working :) | 18:06 |
| FireFly | Venemo: yeah, that is super annoying | 18:06 |
| ggabriel | do you have logs of your AP? :) | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: finally got it? | 18:07 |
| PeperJohnny | ShadowJK: having the same issue :< | 18:07 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yes! I had to go to the fedex warehouse personally though :) | 18:07 |
| FireFly | Venemo: (the lack of descriptive message, I meant) | 18:07 |
| Venemo | FireFly +1 | 18:07 |
| FireFly | I wonder if the calendar will get iCal/vCal support.. that'd be useful | 18:07 |
| Venemo | also, tbr: why did you frighten me about contacts sync? after adding my google account, all my contacts magically appeared | 18:07 |
| ortylp | A short question off topic: does anyone know what happened to "thanks" button on talk.maemo.org? (and yes, I am logged in, relogged and, checked that twice) | 18:08 |
| Venemo | other stupid question: where is the ambience setting? can't find it anywhere | 18:08 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: you may be in an off topic thread | 18:08 |
| Quu | Venemo: these are not the ambiences you are looking for | 18:08 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: pulley from lock screen? | 18:08 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: nope | 18:09 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: there is no such button on the lock screen | 18:09 |
| Venemo | I remember seeing something about push on the home screen but that doesn't do anything either | 18:09 |
| ortylp | Venemo: these are the "favourites" | 18:09 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: gallery has all the ambiences | 18:09 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: got to galaries select a favourite and then on homescreen swipe right or left | 18:10 |
| ortylp | Venemo: you can create them from the gallery | 18:10 |
| tehdely | my jolla has arrived :) | 18:10 |
| tehdely | well, it's arrived in finland... | 18:10 |
| tehdely | now to wait till it gets to the US ;) | 18:10 |
| ggabriel | yeah, sorry Venemo. Pnuu is right | 18:10 |
| Venemo | I have one favourite only and swipe right/left on homescreen doesn't do anything | 18:10 |
| ggabriel | i got confused with a "nice to have" | 18:10 |
| Pnuu | and the favourites can be accessed by side swiping from home screen | 18:10 |
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| spider-mario | here’s the crash (sorry for the orientation of the video) | 18:10 |
| spider-mario | http://ge.tt/api/1/files/4i2zhuA1/0/blob?download | 18:10 |
| PeperJohnny | You have to swipe from the border | 18:10 |
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| Pnuu | I guess N(favorites) > 1 for that, though | 18:11 |
| faenil | Venemo, >= 2 favourited ambiances needed | 18:11 |
| Venemo | ok, I have 2 now | 18:11 |
| Venemo | still no effect | 18:11 |
| spider-mario | http://ge.tt/4i2zhuA1/v/0 | 18:11 |
| FireFly | Venemo: push from side | 18:11 |
| Venemo | sorry | 18:11 |
| FireFly | with ≥2 favourited ambiences | 18:11 |
| Venemo | I didn't notice I had to "Save" after pressing the star | 18:11 |
| Turski | -_- | 18:11 |
| * FireFly has also missed that | 18:11 | |
| FireFly | making a change, then going back... | 18:12 |
| Venemo | ok, now about wifi | 18:12 |
| PeperJohnny | spider-mario: ah , now it crashes^^ | 18:12 |
| Venemo | does Jolla supposed to support N wifis? | 18:12 |
| ortylp | FireFly: me too | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | Uh. When I try enter proxy server, it resets the input field when I type a dot | 18:12 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: WLAN802.11 b/g/n 2.4GHz | 18:12 |
| ggabriel | (according to jolla.com) | 18:12 |
| PeperJohnny | Venemo: it works here with n | 18:12 |
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| FireFly | ggabriel: according to jolla.com it also supports LTE :p | 18:13 |
| spider-mario | the procedure is not as reliable as I thought, then. :p | 18:13 |
| Venemo | ok, so how can I figure out why it can't connect to this wifi here? | 18:13 |
| FireFly | (even though the software isn't in place yet) | 18:13 |
| spider-mario | but it does crash sometimes | 18:13 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: but it does, it's just the software that isn't there | 18:13 |
| rcg | Venemo, do you use PEAP or something? | 18:13 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: we do agree that there are rather different implementations, right? :) | 18:13 |
| Venemo | rcg: no | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | .. Oh, it works when I type the end first and then type the start... wtf | 18:13 |
| FireFly | ggabriel: and likewise, maybe not all wifi variants are supported by drivers.. wouldn't surprise me, anyway :p | 18:13 |
| rcg | Venemo, hmm, i see.. just to check, i am using WPA2 with PSK here | 18:14 |
| Venemo | it's WPA2 personal with AES | 18:14 |
| Turski | FireFly: that's quite a different thing | 18:14 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: how long is your password? fewer than 7 characters? | 18:14 |
| FireFly | though then again, I guess wifi is more "typical" linux software compared to LTE | 18:14 |
| rcg | Venemo, same for me | 18:14 |
| PeperJohnny | spider-mario: nah i did it the wrong way. it crashes everytime now | 18:14 |
| FireFly | for there to be existing drivers for | 18:14 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: no, it's more than 7 | 18:14 |
| Turski | FireFly: i thnk Jolla was waiting to get some certifications before they can enable LTE | 18:14 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: i'm out of ideas, i'd go for the AP log :) (best way i fixed several wifi issues btw) | 18:14 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: how do I go to the A | 18:14 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: how do I go to the AP log? | 18:14 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: depends on your router model etc etc | 18:15 |
| Venemo | ok, got it | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | My AP is in abgn mode and works with jolla | 18:15 |
| Venemo | there's a system log option in the AP UI | 18:15 |
| Venemo | my AP is in N-only mode | 18:15 |
| ggabriel | Turski: i think w00t explained that they needed to work with things like switching to/from lte from 3g/gsm while on a call etc | 18:15 |
| FireFly | Turski: oh, didn't know that | 18:15 |
| Turski | ggabriel: i just think i heard something about certs | 18:15 |
| ggabriel | maybe both :) | 18:16 |
| Turski | yeah | 18:16 |
| Turski | maybe | 18:16 |
| ggabriel | i wonder if they can get in trouble by announcing it | 18:16 |
| Venemo | ok, the error doesn't generate any entries in the AP's log | 18:16 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: can you please try setting it to N-only? | 18:16 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: you'll hate me, but how about enabling other modes? | 18:16 |
| spider-mario | oh, I didn’t realize that each ambiance could be assigned its own ringtone / etc. | 18:16 |
| spider-mario | nice. :D | 18:16 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: it'd disconnect my IRC connection if I did that | 18:16 |
| Venemo | the LED on the bottom is kind of cool | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo; i'd rather not, it'd kick off my family and more importantly, kick myself off IRC and if jolla indeed doesn't work on n I dunno what I'd set it back with :) | 18:17 |
| Venemo | oh, sorry ShadowJK | 18:18 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: should it work with N? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | err. i don't know | 18:18 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: check iwconfig which mode your wifi hw is in | 18:18 |
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| Turski | hmm... not sure does it actually even tell the mode | 18:19 |
| Turski | actully, i can try that myself | 18:20 |
| FireFly | spider-mario: 'ambience' is the new 'profile' :P | 18:20 |
| spider-mario | it appears so. :) | 18:20 |
| celeron55 | iwconfig doesn't seem to tell anything useful for that | 18:21 |
| Turski | celeron55: it does to me at least | 18:21 |
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| Venemo | btw, the box looks awesome | 18:21 |
| celeron55 | it says "Qcom:802.11n" for me while my AP doesn't support other than b and g | 18:21 |
| Turski | Qcom:802.11n | 18:21 |
| Turski | oh... | 18:21 |
| Venemo | whoever designed it should be a genious | 18:21 |
| Turski | doesn't then | 18:21 |
| celeron55 | i would look at the kernel log | 18:22 |
| celeron55 | i can | 18:22 |
| Turski | Bit Rate=58.5 Mb/s | 18:22 |
| celeron55 | i can't find anything relevant there but if some error happens, there could be something | 18:22 |
| Turski | doesn't sound like n | 18:22 |
| celeron55 | Turski: sounds like n | 18:22 |
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| celeron55 | g supports only up to 54 | 18:22 |
| Venemo | oh, and the other half is really hard to get off | 18:22 |
| nander | The speaker is quite decent :) | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it gets easier when you've done it according to instruction | 18:23 |
| nander | Better than I expected | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | Wow, holy shit. Syncing contacts between N900 and Jolla actually worked. Holy awesome synchronizing bluetooth beams batman! | 18:23 |
| nander | Not a stereo speaker, not something you' d use for showing off music, but still ;) | 18:23 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: the instruction says something about the lower left corner but it's still hard if I start there | 18:24 |
| ShadowJK | Mine came with sticker there,and it seemed frighteningly easy to remove toh :) | 18:25 |
| Turski | celeron55: oh | 18:25 |
| Turski | now it shows 64 Mb/s | 18:25 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: yes the instruction was on the sticker, and it's not easy | 18:25 |
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| nander | I'm using a livevid of within temptation for checking | 18:25 |
| nander | live album | 18:25 |
| nander | On youtube ;) | 18:25 |
| Turski | Venemo: i have no problems with that | 18:25 |
| Venemo | the sound it makes when I take it off also frighten me about breaking it | 18:25 |
| nander | A pity the browser can' t do landscape yet | 18:25 |
| Turski | Venemo: but better hard to get off than too easy to get off | 18:25 |
| w00t | Venemo: it's tough | 18:26 |
| w00t | I was worried initially too but it's ok | 18:26 |
| nander | damm, it does drain power.. | 18:26 |
| micko_ | the sqlite solution does not work for my email. I still get "Ongelma synkronoinnissa" (problem in syncronization in english?) when trying to send | 18:26 |
| w00t | just grab it from the bottom corner and away you go | 18:26 |
| Venemo | yes, hard to get off is a good thing! | 18:26 |
| Venemo | w00t: that's what I'm doing and the cracking sound it emits makes me want to scream | 18:27 |
| w00t | :) | 18:27 |
| Venemo | ok, next thing to try is music | 18:27 |
| Venemo | I'll put something on the SD card | 18:27 |
| w00t | I think I made Jope do mine the first time, I was too chicken | 18:27 |
| Venemo | it's formatted to ext4 as suggested | 18:27 |
| FireFly | Oh, right | 18:27 |
| FireFly | Updates to WLAN connectivity stability is planned IIRC? | 18:28 |
| Pnuu | I haven't had any problems with wifi | 18:28 |
| FireFly | Because at least for me the jolla seems to disconnect randomly every now and then | 18:28 |
| ortylp | nander: yep... I use firefox instead, but I do not know how to set it as default | 18:28 |
| FireFly | s/disconnect/disconnect and reconnect/ | 18:29 |
| nander | it's fun to have however ;) | 18:30 |
| nander | Everyone asks what it is :D | 18:30 |
| nander | no more ' what lumia is that' ;) | 18:30 |
| ggabriel | nander: haha | 18:30 |
| w00t | FireFly: do you have strong wireless signal? | 18:31 |
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| nander | if I got a cookie each time someone asked me that... | 18:31 |
| FireFly | w00t: should have, I'm like 3m from the router | 18:31 |
| nander | Then I'd have more cookies than I have on cookie clicker | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | TOH seems like soft plastic you probablhy need to fold it in half to break | 18:31 |
| w00t | FireFly: single configured network in the area, or multiple? | 18:32 |
| FireFly | Single | 18:32 |
| FireFly | WPA2 encryption, if that matters | 18:32 |
| FireFly | I don't think it should..? | 18:32 |
| w00t | can't say i've heard of problems in your type of situation.. anything interesting showing up in logcat/journal? | 18:33 |
| spider-mario | hm, I have no idea why the OS thinks that the dominant color of http://i.imgur.com/IVXUad6.jpg is purple | 18:33 |
| FireFly | Sometimes it reconnects sporadically, but especially it seems to happen if I scp stuff to nemo@ after enabling that in settings | 18:33 |
| spider-mario | does it mix the orange and the blue? | 18:33 |
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| spider-mario | or maybe it’s the noise in the middle | 18:34 |
| spider-mario | it should be darker (completely black, actually) | 18:34 |
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| nander | I still use the blue/blackish ship ;) | 18:37 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: soft plastic? do you actually have the device? | 18:37 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 18:38 |
| nander | It's solid, but it's bendable | 18:38 |
| nander | It won't break | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK | flexible | 18:38 |
| FireFly | w00t: what is 'alien_bridge_se'? Related to alien dalvik? | 18:38 |
| Turski | it's so thin | 18:38 |
| w00t | FireFly: alien_bridge_server (i'd guess), yes | 18:38 |
| * w00t => dinner | 18:38 | |
| FireFly | w00t: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/log ← seems to happen every now and then and match up with the reconnects | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK | On the rigid+fragile to flexible scale it's more on the flexible end | 18:38 |
| FireFly | anyway, /me → dinner too :p | 18:38 |
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| Turski | FireFly: that probably happens after the reconnect, not before | 18:39 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: well, wouldn't still call it soft plastic :P | 18:40 |
| Venemo | so, any idea on the wifi? | 18:41 |
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| ShadowJK | ok, 7th attempt to register to yandex | 18:42 |
| Turski | yandex is just horrible | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it saves password, because if I have this much trouble typing any two lines of text that match, I'll never be able to get a third one to match | 18:43 |
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| faenil | ShadowJK, you have english language? | 18:45 |
| Venemo | one more thing: I did NOT get my limited edition other half | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | No I started phone with swedish so I'd get metric maps (I had seen on IRC you had to do that) | 18:46 |
| Venemo | there was a message saying I will receive it "in the following weeks" | 18:46 |
| faenil | ShadowJK, I think you need english in that version to register to Yandex (yandex issue) | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK | it says "Wrong country code value" | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK | I assumed that had to do with phone number.. | 18:47 |
| faenil | don't know, could be a different issue, I just heard that people had issues registering to yandex with != english | 18:48 |
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| ShadowJK | nope, still "Wrong country code value" in english | 18:51 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, changed to secret question and that went away | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it wants phone number in different format | 18:52 |
| faenil | dunno | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | yep, that was it | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | 358 is Apparently not an acceptable country code :) | 18:54 |
| faenil | :) | 18:55 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: just create your account on pc | 18:55 |
| spider-mario | 33 either | 18:55 |
| spider-mario | Turski : I tried that but I didn’t find the web page | 18:55 |
| Turski | there is a page somewhere... | 18:56 |
| Turski | let me google it for you... | 18:56 |
| Venemo | mmm, this is interesting | 18:56 |
| Venemo | after enabling developer mode it can connect to the wifi | 18:57 |
| Turski | spider-mario, ShadowJK: there you are https://passport.yandex.com/passport?mode=passport | 18:57 |
| spider-mario | oh, thanks | 18:57 |
| Venemo | should I check "Allow developer updates"? | 18:57 |
| Turski | Venemo: no! | 18:58 |
| Turski | Venemo: just do that only if you _really_ know what you do... and if you ask that, just don't enable it | 18:58 |
| Venemo | no idea | 18:59 |
| special | it's a very badly named switch for internal jolla credentials | 19:00 |
| nander | You probably can't | 19:00 |
| nander | And if you could you shouldn't | 19:01 |
| Venemo | also the terminal app is horrible | 19:01 |
| Turski | Venemo: create a better one | 19:01 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm patches welcome :p | 19:01 |
| Turski | that's how it works | 19:01 |
| nander | The keyboard just shouldn't hide | 19:01 |
| nander | That's al I think is wrong with it | 19:01 |
| Venemo | the keyboard should be the system keyboard | 19:01 |
| nander | In portrait there is plenty of screen estate | 19:01 |
| nander | Venemo NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 19:01 |
| nander | Arrows ;) | 19:01 |
| Venemo | and I should be able to read scrollback while I'm typing commands | 19:01 |
| nander | You don't want system keyboard on a terminal | 19:02 |
| Venemo | I can hardly hit these extremely tiny buttons | 19:02 |
| special | nander: in the menu you can choose "VKB behavior off/fade/move" | 19:02 |
| Turski | system keyboard isn't enough for terminal | 19:02 |
| Turski | at least the default layouts | 19:02 |
| nander | special - it lacks 'On' | 19:02 |
| Turski | there of course could be terminal layout... | 19:02 |
| special | nander: "fade" stays in place and only reduces opacity, is that not enough? | 19:02 |
| Venemo | is 1.0.0.5 the latest? | 19:03 |
| Pnuu | that's what I use | 19:03 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: .12 | 19:03 |
| nander | It's annoying | 19:03 |
| Venemo | how do I upgrade? | 19:03 |
| nander | Since you can't really select the text behind it | 19:03 |
| nander | The screen size in portrait is ample | 19:03 |
| Venemo | I did a 'pkcon refresh' and 'pkcon update' and nothing seems to have happened | 19:03 |
| nander | So why bother fading | 19:03 |
| special | Venemo: go to settings, about, pull down and check for updates there. | 19:04 |
| Turski | Venemo: it isn't recommended to upgrade with pkcon.. go to system settings -> device information | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | in irssi I've noticed that when I change a window, eg. esc+14 and want to fade the keyboard quicker and touch the screen, it almost always sends alt+left | 19:04 |
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| ShadowJK | hm.. no "request desktop site" thing in browser | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | and the swipes work more or less randomly | 19:04 |
| nander | also, who put the Desktop folder in the filesystem? :D | 19:04 |
| Pnuu | otherwise fingerterm is a-ok | 19:04 |
| Venemo | okay, it found the upgrady by itself now | 19:05 |
| Turski | Pnuu: swiped are a bit oversensitive | 19:05 |
| Turski | swipes* | 19:05 |
| Venemo | I wonder why it didn't find it before; maybe it doesn't look for updates on cellular data? | 19:05 |
| flux | fingerterm's haptics are laggy | 19:05 |
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| flux | and perhaps there are other reasons why its vkb doesn't work as nicely as the system one | 19:06 |
| spider-mario | wow, my jolla is much faster than my old android phone at installing android apps | 19:06 |
| Pnuu | Turski: but it _never_ send alt+right :-P | 19:06 |
| spider-mario | funny | 19:06 |
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| ottulo | haha | 19:07 |
| ottulo | trying out Dune on DosBox for Android on Jolla | 19:07 |
| nander | does it work well? | 19:07 |
| nander | doxbox for android on jolla? | 19:07 |
| Venemo | oh, and the default VKB doesn't have some characters that are very important for me. is there a way to customize it? | 19:07 |
| flux | hmm, does the android version use some native code? | 19:07 |
| ottulo | audio is not working perfectly, but that might be the settings | 19:07 |
| nander | Also, middle names are not supported yet in 'people' ? | 19:08 |
| ottulo | tbh I don't know a thing about DosBox etc | 19:08 |
| flux | venemo, I'm certain it is possible.. if only if I recalled the framework's name :) | 19:08 |
| ottulo | nor have I ever played Dune before | 19:08 |
| Venemo | maliit | 19:08 |
| Venemo | afair | 19:08 |
| Pnuu | Venemo: try selecting different layout? | 19:08 |
| flux | right, maliit | 19:08 |
| flux | well should be customizable, right/ | 19:09 |
| spider-mario | cool, ConnectBot in Android does appear to work as a terminal for Sailfish | 19:09 |
| Venemo | Pnuu: there's no layout for my locale | 19:09 |
| Pnuu | :-/ | 19:09 |
| Venemo | any idea which layout might have standard latin + öüóőúéáűí ? | 19:09 |
| Venemo | the default one doesn't have ő even if I long-press the o | 19:10 |
| Turski | Pnuu: it does | 19:10 |
| flux | venemo, rpm -ql jolla-keyboard-0.4.4-10.17.1.jolla.armv7hl gives some files that seem relevant | 19:10 |
| flux | venemo, good luck ;-) | 19:10 |
| Pnuu | Turski: not for me in that particular use-case | 19:10 |
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| Venemo | flux: I'll check it out | 19:11 |
| flux | it seems the layouts are completely defined there | 19:12 |
| flux | (oh how I wish I had 'less' on the device, I always keep writing it..) | 19:12 |
| Venemo | this is disturbing but I dunno why but after enabling developer mode it suddenly could connect to my wifi - before devmode it didn't even ask for password | 19:12 |
| flux | a bug? | 19:12 |
| Quu | Venemo: it knows. | 19:13 |
| Venemo | Quu: what? :P | 19:13 |
| Quu | i dont know, im drunk. | 19:14 |
| Venemo | omg | 19:14 |
| Venemo | it doesn't seem to recognize the SD card, let's see what I can do about it | 19:14 |
| merlin1991 | flux: enable mer-tools and install less from there | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | sd card support is allegedly halfdone I've heard | 19:15 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo, if you want to have good battery life: systemctl stop tohd.service | 19:15 |
| flux | merlin1991, will I accidentally upgrade things broken? | 19:15 |
| merlin1991 | you can always disable the repo after installing less | 19:15 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo, ext4 doesn't get automounted | 19:16 |
| Venemo | Morpog_Mobile: where should I mount it? | 19:16 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Dunno i difn't follow closely as i don't have a sdcard yet | 19:17 |
| Morpog_Mobile | TMO knows | 19:17 |
| Morpog_Mobile | And maybe that elinux site | 19:18 |
| Venemo | there is a /dev/sdcard when the SD card is entered | 19:18 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: do you happen to know where I should mount the sd card? | 19:19 |
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| Venemo | let's see, I insert a different card and see where it mounts | 19:22 |
| DeeGee_ | Venemo: default automounting location seems to be /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 19:22 |
| DeeGee_ | If you need your sd card media indexed, there is tracker-sd-indexing.sh (or something like that) that enables removable media indexing and restarts trackers | 19:23 |
| DeeGee_ | -s | 19:24 |
| Venemo | it works! | 19:24 |
| Venemo | now | 19:24 |
| Venemo | the music app automatically found music on the other SD card | 19:24 |
| Venemo | seems it couldn't deal with this one | 19:25 |
| Venemo | DeeGee_: where's that .sh? | 19:25 |
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| Venemo | also, how do I enable automounting ext4? | 19:26 |
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| DeeGee_ | hm, it's in a folder that's in PATH variable, so it should be easy to find with tab | 19:27 |
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| DeeGee_ | No idea, I've just done it manually for now. | 19:27 |
| zutto | Venemo: with fstab? | 19:27 |
| ggabriel | you need to play with the script that udev runs | 19:27 |
| ggabriel | the script provided assumes it's fat, so anything else fails | 19:27 |
| zutto | jolla uses fstab, right? | 19:27 |
| Venemo | DeeGee_: not for me, maybe I should look for it as user and not root | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | well, anything that doesn't support the uid opt | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | zutto: yeah, but that works for automount, as somebody else pointed out | 19:28 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: where's that script? | 19:28 |
| zutto | doesnt he want to automount some ext4 partition? | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | automount runs at boot only, zutto | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: in the irc logs somewhere | 19:28 |
| Venemo | ok | 19:28 |
| zutto | hmh, well thats true | 19:28 |
| ggabriel | otherwise look in /etc/udev/rules (or something) | 19:28 |
| Venemo | nothing happens after running tracker-sd-indexing.sh | 19:29 |
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| DeeGee_ | it should just index media on sd card. But it needs to be mounted first. | 19:29 |
| Venemo | btw, this is weird. 'devel-su' accepts the root password I set but 'su -' doesn't | 19:29 |
| zutto | ggabriel: actually, cant you just use mount -a and fstab? | 19:29 |
| Venemo | DeeGee_: it is mounted | 19:29 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh | 19:30 |
| Venemo | no, this is a shitty ext4 permission issue | 19:30 |
| ggabriel | zutto: you should, yeha | 19:30 |
| ggabriel | but i'm saying: if you want it automagically | 19:30 |
| zutto | oh, gotta love jolla being so bareboned linux | 19:30 |
| Venemo | user nemo doesn't have permissions for anything on the SD card | 19:30 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't modify that script tho ;-) | 19:30 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: well, that's another opt innit | 19:30 |
| ggabriel | or you just chmod 777 everything | 19:31 |
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| Venemo | ls: cannot access Music: Input/output error | 19:31 |
| ggabriel | that's ugly | 19:31 |
| Venemo | what the hell | 19:31 |
| Quu | yes. chmod 777 everything sounds like non-phone-breaking -stuff | 19:31 |
| ggabriel | Quu: i meant the sd card ofc | 19:31 |
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| Venemo | okay, let me reboot | 19:32 |
| Venemo | will be back in a bit | 19:32 |
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| Venemo | ok, it seems that simply the filesystem on the sd card is borked | 19:34 |
| Venemo | I'm now reformatting it | 19:35 |
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| ShadowJK | oooofff.. how can terminal haptic be so slooow | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | the N800 is better D: | 19:36 |
| Venemo | can we hack LTE to be enabled? | 19:36 |
| Venemo | in case we want some 4G goodness | 19:36 |
| ggabriel | not sure | 19:37 |
| ggabriel | you can do tethering if you want | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | just wait, you don't want our devices to be banned from LTE networks | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:37 |
| ggabriel | but haven't read anything re lte | 19:37 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps has a good point.... | 19:37 |
| Venemo | meh, okay | 19:37 |
| Venemo | why would it be banned though? | 19:37 |
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| ShadowJK | oh wow, took me ages to get to /sys/ even, how does one get anything done with this thing :D | 19:39 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: I don't like it either | 19:39 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: is there a clean way of automounting my ext4 sd card, without screwing up the aforementioned built-in script? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, i'd ask jake9xx but i think he's being xmassy atm | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | keys near the screen edge seem kinda unresponsive :/ | 19:41 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: okay. but generally, very nice work! | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | i hope you guys upgraded already | 19:41 |
| Frye_ | Venemo if you don't touch the mount script it will be automounted only as vfat | 19:41 |
| Venemo | just did | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: you can create your own udev rule | 19:41 |
| ggabriel | cp the script, modify as you wish | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | and gg | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | :) | 19:42 |
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| Venemo | one issue though: there is one contact that I marked as favourite but an empty rectange is shown in its place among the other favourites | 19:42 |
| ggabriel | 2013-12-18T15:48:07 <Turski> sure if you want to edit udev a udev rule that's provided by a package, you should copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d and edit there | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | 2013-12-18T15:48:50 <Turski> rules in /etc/udev/rules.d override rules in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d | 19:43 |
| ggabriel | that's the idea i liked the best... | 19:43 |
| * ggabriel cd dinner | 19:43 | |
| Venemo | aww man | 19:43 |
| Venemo | seems the avatar of the contact was improperly downloaded from google | 19:44 |
| Venemo | in the gallery app, is there a way to filter images by date? | 19:46 |
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| Venemo | aww, this is pretty annoying | 19:47 |
| Venemo | extracted album covers are listed in the gallery among photos | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe I'm just used to N800 way, but that seemed better than fingerterm way of doing it :/ | 19:49 |
| flux | I suppose the capacitive touch screen on jolla doesn't give any near-field feedback? | 19:53 |
| flux | if it did, fingerterm could use that to bring up the keyboard | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't mind if it was fixed, always out, and terminal area was half screen | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe without having to process gesture stuff, it'd be able to respond quicker too? | 19:57 |
| FireFly | You could set it to always out in the settings thing | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | will it cover actual stuff though? | 19:58 |
| FireFly | there's a few choices, "overlay", "slide up", "off" or something | 19:58 |
| FireFly | not unless you have it to overlay (the default) | 19:58 |
| FireFly | "Off", "Fade", "move" apparently | 19:58 |
| FireFly | Hm | 19:58 |
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| ShadowJK | in the config file? | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh god this will be difficult :D | 20:01 |
| FireFly | No, the "menu" icon thing in the top-right corner | 20:01 |
| FireFly | three horizontal lines | 20:01 |
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| FireFly | Seems the best you can do is to set the autohide delay to 10s and "vkb behavior" to "move" | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:04 |
| FireFly | Hm, I kinda like 'move' | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | portrait is small, landscape is huge.. | 20:04 |
| Turski | ggabriel: i just think the default rules on sailfish are in /etc/udev/rules.d... | 20:06 |
| Turski | which kinda ruins that idea | 20:07 |
| Venemo | hm, the default choice of ringtones seem to be rather limited | 20:07 |
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| Turski | ggabriel: actually i think ti's best idea to just modify the mounting script | 20:10 |
| Turski | ggabriel: it will be then replaced on next update and maybe include a proper fix ;) | 20:11 |
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| Yaniel | I actually like the overlay keyboard | 20:26 |
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| ShadowJK | hm wait, fingerterm stops working if screen is off? | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | hmm? | 20:30 |
| ShadowJK | I had while true; do echo $(date) ; sleep 60 ; done | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | more or less | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | and it skipped couple minutes :) | 20:31 |
| Venemo | so. half an hour remaining from the copy and then we can see how well SailFish handles indexit several thousand songs | 20:31 |
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| Yaniel | Venemo: more like how tracker does | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | Venemo; augh, now my jolla is like yours, refusing wifi :) | 20:32 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: what did you do? | 20:33 |
| Venemo | hm, seems that something is wrong about the microsd socket | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | moved to other side of the house | 20:33 |
| Venemo | the cable only goes kind of halfway in | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | The first AP doesn't reach here, but there's another one | 20:34 |
| Venemo | ah, only had to press harder | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | ... so now I'm actually *stuck* at a screen.. "Select Internet connection" .. "Sorry. Could not connect to selected network" "Search again" | 20:35 |
| Yaniel | ShadowJK: reboot | 20:35 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: tapping outside of it gets you out of it | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | and by stuck I mean none of the gestures work | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | oh, powerbutton works | 20:35 |
| ggabriel | Turski: thanks, definitely something to tinker with | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | grrr. Fingerterm needs a 1 char wide border around the entire screen so copypaste select text isn't mistaken for a gesture | 20:37 |
| Venemo | meh, this seems to be impossible | 20:38 |
| Venemo | after copying several gigabytes the filesystem on the SD card just gets broken | 20:38 |
| Venemo | I get input/output error on copying and after that it can't be mounted anymore | 20:39 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: what sd brand/model, out of curiosity? | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. this is why fingerterm keyboard doesnt work too well near the edges, I guess.. gets mistaken for gesture | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. the copy button seems like a no-op anyways | 20:41 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how copypaste works | 20:41 | |
| Venemo | ggabriel: it's a samsung 64GB | 20:42 |
| Venemo | class 10 | 20:42 |
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| Venemo | but it was suspiciously cheap :( | 20:42 |
| ggabriel | they are meant to be good | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it wraps around :D | 20:42 |
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| Venemo | ShadowJK: what do you mean? | 20:43 |
| Turski | Venemo: can't be mounted? | 20:44 |
| Venemo | Turski: by my laptop | 20:44 |
| Turski | errors? | 20:44 |
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| Venemo | I ran a check on the partition with gparted and now it lost all the data | 20:44 |
| Turski | did you umount it? | 20:45 |
| Venemo | it couldn't mount so I nmount | 20:45 |
| Venemo | it couldn't mount so I couldn't unmount | 20:45 |
| Turski | did you umount it after copying the data? | 20:45 |
| Venemo | Turski: while copying the data it said "input/output error" at some point and became unmountable after that | 20:46 |
| Turski | anything in dmesg? | 20:47 |
| Venemo | [ 3887.815779] JBD2: no valid journal superblock found | 20:47 |
| Turski | that was at the time of first input/output errors? | 20:47 |
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| Venemo | I guess that was when it tried to mount it | 20:48 |
| ggabriel | i'd run a check... | 20:48 |
| Venemo | before that I have a bunch of entries like this: | 20:48 |
| Venemo | [ 2440.028019] EXT4-fs error (device sdb1): ext4_mb_generate_buddy:755: group 64, 32768 clusters in bitmap, 24544 in gd | 20:48 |
| Venemo | and | 20:48 |
| Turski | fsck the sdcard | 20:48 |
| Venemo | [ 3563.324559] EXT4-fs error (device sdb1): __ext4_new_inode:913: comm pool: failed to insert inode 2490376: doubly allocated? | 20:48 |
| Turski | hmm... | 20:48 |
| ggabriel | mkfs -c -c? | 20:48 |
| Venemo | Turski: I used check in gparted (which I guess runs fsck) and then all the data disappeared from it | 20:49 |
| Venemo | if it fails again I'll try btrfs | 20:49 |
| tbr | Venemo: yes, contact sync, but calendar doesn't | 20:49 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: what's -c -c? | 20:49 |
| Turski | ok.. so it was so corrupted that it wasnt rescueable | 20:49 |
| ggabriel | checks 'surface' iirc | 20:49 |
| Venemo | tbr: true | 20:50 |
| ggabriel | write+read | 20:50 |
| Venemo | okay, so what's the full command? | 20:50 |
| Turski | -c Check the device for bad blocks before creating the file system. If this option is specified twice, then a slower read-write test is used instead of a fast read-only test. | 20:50 |
| Turski | mkfs.ext4 man page | 20:51 |
| Venemo | Turski: sounds horribly slow | 20:51 |
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| Turski | but that creates a new filesystem? | 20:51 |
| ggabriel | it's very.very slow | 20:51 |
| Venemo | yup | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | Also it doesn't detect many typical flash errors :) | 20:51 |
| Venemo | so what do you suggest? | 20:52 |
| ggabriel | i'd somehing even slower to check the full card :p | 20:53 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: how? | 20:53 |
| ggabriel | ok, warning: it's a bit exaggerated, but ive done it. requires space | 20:54 |
| ggabriel | create a 64gb file with dd from /dev/urandom | 20:55 |
| dist | Hmm. Did you guys lose all of the default ambiences? (any idea which package they'd be in?) | 20:55 |
| ggabriel | write that file to the sd card | 20:55 |
| Turski | dist: jolla-preload-ambiences | 20:55 |
| ggabriel | read it from the sd card | 20:55 |
| tbr | dist: did you uninstall the tutorial? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: naah - md5sum and tee | 20:55 |
| dist | tbr: .. that did it? | 20:55 |
| ggabriel | diff with original | 20:55 |
| Turski | dist: that package will be removed if you remove the startup wizard | 20:55 |
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| dist | But but but, why? | 20:56 |
| tbr | dist: seems there is some weird dependency between the packages | 20:56 |
| Venemo | isn't there a command to compensate an existing file system for such errors? | 20:56 |
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| Turski | it's probably only installed as dependency for startup wizard | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/random |tee /dev/blocks |md5sum - | 20:56 |
| Turski | dist: just install it again | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | then md5sum /dev/blocks | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | mmmh.. how does the connectivity stuff work anyway... I thought I enabled cellular data, and it seemed to promptly disconnect from wifi.. | 20:56 |
| dist | Turski: yup | 20:56 |
| dist | Thanks =) | 20:56 |
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| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: that works too | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | urandom | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | i wanted mine super exhaustive :) | 20:57 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: how exactly does that help you when you want a stable filesystem? | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: you know what you wrote, and can verify it | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Venemo: hence you can test the card. | 20:57 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: it verifies integrity | 20:58 |
| Turski | Venemo: don't use /dev/random, it will be _horribly_ slow | 20:58 |
| ggabriel | then u create tye fs | 20:58 |
| Venemo | ok, but can mkfs use the results of that operation? | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: If your SD card is brute forcing md5 collisions - you have worse problems. | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - I should read more scroll. | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | IF your SD card is exhibiting read/write errors, the usual correct response is to throw it away or return it. | 20:59 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: it came suspiciously slow from an unwarranted source | 20:59 |
| Venemo | sorry can't type today | 21:00 |
| Turski | or then it's ext4 bug? :P | 21:00 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: it came suspiciously cheaply from an unwarranted source | 21:00 |
| Venemo | is what I meant | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:00 |
| Turski | Venemo: haha, no win today | 21:00 |
| tbr | probably a fake card then | 21:00 |
| Venemo | meh! | 21:00 |
| tbr | possibly even a fake that will work with vfat for e.g. 1GB of data, but fail horribly beyond that | 21:01 |
| Venemo | is it a possibility to use that -c -c thing to check it for errors and use the usable space on the card? | 21:02 |
| tbr | you could partition it to only use 'safe' space. but only IF that's the case | 21:02 |
| tbr | otherwise the i/o errors are likely spread out at random | 21:02 |
| Venemo | couldn't mkfs -c -c handle that? | 21:03 |
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| Venemo | nah, anyway, I'm giving it a try | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | SD cards more or less move everything around anyways | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | Speedevil's method is the only semi-reliable method | 21:06 |
| Venemo | but I don't understand this - do they actually sell defunct SD cards? | 21:07 |
| tbr | yes | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | "they" sure do | 21:07 |
| Venemo | meh! | 21:08 |
| Venemo | so, is it 'dd if=/dev/urandom | tee /dev/sdb1 | md5sum -' ? | 21:08 |
| Venemo | what should I see on the output? | 21:08 |
| tbr | a md5sum | 21:08 |
| tbr | it will take a long while | 21:08 |
| Venemo | and how do I know it's correct? | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | It should complete without error, give you a long string of numbers and letters | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | then you do "md5sum /dev/sdb1" | 21:09 |
| tbr | I'd actually use /dev/sdb | 21:09 |
| ShadowJK | You get second long string of numbers and letters. It should match the first. | 21:09 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:09 |
| FireFly | (double-check that /dev/sdb is the right device before running it) | 21:09 |
| Venemo | it is | 21:09 |
| FireFly | good, good | 21:10 |
| Venemo | sda is the SSD and there're no more storage devices | 21:10 |
| Venemo | allright, let's see | 21:10 |
| Venemo | it also could be a defect in the SD card reader or its driver, though | 21:10 |
| Venemo | shouldn't I add a -bs parameter to dd? | 21:11 |
| tbr | no dash, just bs=1M or such | 21:13 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | How much did you pay for that card? | 21:16 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:16 |
| Venemo | Morpog_Mobile: 11000 HUF (~37 EUR) | 21:16 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Hmm not cheap enough to be obviously | 21:17 |
| Turski | that's not even very chep for 32G | 21:17 |
| ggabriel | price is ok for the card | 21:18 |
| Turski | 64G card can be bought for 50€ | 21:18 |
| ggabriel | is ur reader reliable Venemo ? :) | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | 60E in .fi for 64G, roughly | 21:19 |
| parasemic | everyone here realised cutespotify got updated and is now working pretty flawless? :) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | same here in verifiable locations | 21:19 |
| ggabriel | i find the delkin/lexar at that price | 21:20 |
| parasemic | big thumbs up for Elleo! | 21:20 |
| ggabriel | sammys are cheapest | 21:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Again? | 21:20 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: http://www.data-systems.fi/tuotteet/tuote/16933 | 21:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | parasemic: volume working outside app? | 21:20 |
| Venemo | hm | 21:20 |
| parasemic | not yet :( but its good enough for me so i can uninstall android spotify | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | parasemic; where would one find that? | 21:21 |
| parasemic | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91892&page=6 | 21:21 |
| Venemo | there's an icon on the jolla called "Yandex.Store" and when I click on it, it starts and crashes immediately, is this normal? | 21:21 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Cargodock is also a great app | 21:21 |
| Turski | Venemo: no, your alien is broken | 21:21 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo: no | 21:21 |
| Turski | Venemo: did you try to install google play or something? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: rpm -qa | grep aliendalvik | 21:22 |
| parasemic | morpog_mobile what is that? | 21:22 |
| Morpog_Mobile | But the best thing today was stopping that tohd.service, so much better battery life | 21:22 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: aliendalvik-0.4.22-3.armv7hl | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | parasemic; heh, is there going to be a repo or something for all the forum-only apps? :D | 21:23 |
| Morpog_Mobile | parasemic: a fikemanager | 21:23 |
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| Venemo | Turski: no | 21:23 |
| parasemic | ShadowJK: i dunno :o | 21:23 |
| Venemo | I do not intend to break my device | 21:23 |
| parasemic | Morpog_mobile: link? | 21:23 |
| Morpog_Mobile | On tmo | 21:23 |
| Turski | Venemo: well, that's how i broke my aliendalvik installation first time :P | 21:23 |
| Venemo | Turski: I did not attempt to do anything android-related yet | 21:24 |
| Turski | ok | 21:24 |
| Morpog_Mobile | parasemic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92140&goto=newpost | 21:24 |
| Venemo | parasemic: please upload the stuff to harbour | 21:24 |
| parasemic | its not my stuff, i just informet people :p | 21:25 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo: some apps can't because of api's harbour diesn't accept yet | 21:25 |
| Venemo | if I reinstall aliendalvik with pkcon, would that help? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: did you reboot since installing android support? | 21:26 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: yes, the system upgrade rebooted the device automatically | 21:26 |
| parasemic | btw, AirDroid works perfectly with alien dalvik | 21:26 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: shall I try to reboot again? | 21:26 |
| Venemo | rebooting | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | btw can we - as app developers - play with the LED? | 21:27 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: works after reboot | 21:27 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Venemo: mce | 21:28 |
| Venemo | Morpog_Mobile: hm? | 21:28 |
| Turski | Venemo: at least the LED can be found under sysfs, but i think there's some higher level api for that :P | 21:28 |
| Venemo | Turski: that'd be great | 21:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | To control the led | 21:29 |
| Venemo | imagine, the LED would blink if you receive an IRC message | 21:29 |
| parasemic | anyone else experience inconsistensy in haptic feed back of the keyboard? seems like i sometimes get none or double haptics with one press? | 21:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | You can set the behavior in some file for led | 21:29 |
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| Venemo | did someone take the nickname Venemo on yandex or can I login with my jolla account? | 21:30 |
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| Turski | Venemo: you login with yandex account | 21:31 |
| parasemic | Morpog_Mobile thanks for the tip, that filemanager looks really good :) and it can delete files! | 21:32 |
| Turski | parasemic: i had that with 1.0.0.5 | 21:32 |
| parasemic | tho cargo dock seems to have forgotten about cover, as it shows media player functions :p | 21:32 |
| Turski | parasemic: do you have sailfish 1.0.1.12? | 21:33 |
| parasemic | Turski yes | 21:33 |
| Turski | parasemic: ok, i haven't had problems with haptics after the upgrade | 21:34 |
| Yaniel | where can I find cargodock? | 21:34 |
| parasemic | also, some letters wont "pop up" while pressing | 21:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | Venemo, 20hybris-led.ini | 21:34 |
| parasemic | yaniel its that link Morpog sent above | 21:34 |
| Morpog_PC | better: /etc/mce/20hybris-led.ini | 21:35 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_PC: isn't there a higher-level API? | 21:35 |
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| Morpog_PC | dunno | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC | dbus maybe | 21:35 |
| Yaniel | oh | 21:35 |
| Turski | Venemo: isn't that already quite high level? | 21:36 |
| Elleo | parasemic: thanks :) | 21:36 |
| Venemo | Turski: maybe, but it's not an API | 21:36 |
| Morpog_PC | Elleo, yeah Cutespotify rocks, but the volume thing drives me crazy :) | 21:37 |
| Turski | rocks too loud? :) | 21:37 |
| Elleo | heh | 21:37 |
| Elleo | Morpog_PC: you can control the volume with the latest version (but only when the app is in the foreground) | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | cannot control system volume aslong cutespotify runs | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | and cannot control cutespotify aslong its not maximized | 21:38 |
| Elleo | yeah, in the next version I'll see if I can get it to release the volume keys when it's not focused | 21:38 |
| Turski | yandex store doesn't want to install updates to my applications... | 21:38 |
| parasemic | when do you expect to get it on Jolla Store? :) | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | why can't it use system volume like stock media player? | 21:38 |
| Turski | it downloaded the new versions but nothing happens when i click install | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to pkconinstall-local it | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | oops | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | pkcon install-local | 21:39 |
| Venemo | well, I got frustrated with yandex after noticing that sailfish gestures don't work with it | 21:39 |
| Venemo | the back button is sooo old-fashioned | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 21:40 |
| Turski | Morpog_PC: yandex updates? | 21:40 |
| Quu | pls | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | Turski, thought you talk about Cutespotify, lol | 21:40 |
| Turski | ... | 21:40 |
| Turski | nope | 21:40 |
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| Elleo | Morpog_PC: I have to use qaudiooutput to handle the low level audio from libspotify, and that isn't integrated with the system audio stuff like qmediaplayer is unfortunately | 21:40 |
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| pdanek | Few days ago, someone posted here Christmas eCard with photos/faces of Jolla guys. | 21:41 |
| Elleo | hopefully that'll get fixed on the sailfish side at some point | 21:41 |
| pdanek | Do you still have it? | 21:41 |
| pdanek | I need the page from it, to make my own. | 21:41 |
| Morpog_PC | Elleo, yeah hopefully. MeeSpot was so awesome on N9 | 21:42 |
| AJAX555 | so umm, can jolla play .mkv files too? | 21:42 |
| Venemo | ok, connected jolla to my laptop via USB | 21:42 |
| bricker467 | hi, I just bricked my jolla by trying to edit /etc/fstab, now it doesn't boot anymore. has anybody any suggestions in how to access the device to correct my error? | 21:42 |
| Venemo | a volume called "Sailfish" appears in nautilus but when I click on it, it says: "Sorry, could not display all the contents of “Sailfish”: Failed to get folder list: -1: Unspecified error" | 21:42 |
| Quu | bricker467: sounds like 200e + shipping. | 21:42 |
| Morpog_PC | pdanek, http://host-d.oddcast.com/php/application_UI/doorId=1177/clientId=299/?mId=53331766.3 | 21:42 |
| pdanek | thx | 21:42 |
| Morpog_PC | bricker467, try to ping Stskeeps | 21:43 |
| bricker467 | whats stskeeps? | 21:43 |
| Morpog_PC | a jolla employe | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | bricker467: that was not very clever | 21:44 |
| Quu | dickbutt | 21:44 |
| bricker467 | i know not cleber but done anyway | 21:44 |
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| Turski | Elleo: what device is cutespotify outputting the audio? | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | bricker467: so, you probably have to send back your device and get it reflashed, since you did it in developer mode, it's your own fault and there may be a service cost | 21:45 |
| bricker467 | :( ok | 21:46 |
| Turski | oh, there's source available... | 21:46 |
| Elleo | Turski: default puseaudio device | 21:46 |
| Elleo | pulseaudio* | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | bricker467: do you have a linux PC? | 21:46 |
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| bricker467 | yes | 21:47 |
| Venemo | bricker467: not what, who | 21:47 |
| bricker467 | \stskeeps yes | 21:48 |
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| Turski | bricker467: umm... what were you trying to do by editing fstab? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | bricker467: what distribution? | 21:48 |
| bricker467 | stskeeps: newest ubuntu | 21:48 |
| bricker467 | Turski: trying for sdcard... wasn't the smartest thing to do | 21:49 |
| Turski | quite weird you managed to brick it with that if you knew what you were doing | 21:50 |
| bricker467 | i thought i knew | 21:51 |
| Turski | but i wouldn't touch fstab of device with no way to get in without working os installed | 21:51 |
| spider-mario | I didn’t know I would also love the appearence of the OS so much | 21:52 |
| spider-mario | it is so beautiful | 21:52 |
| Turski | and putting sdcard to fstab isn't good idea anyway, since there's some other stuff that's done by mount-sd.sh | 21:52 |
| spider-mario | it must be the single most beautiful UI I’ve ever seen | 21:52 |
| Turski | bricker467: instead i would edit mount-sd-sh | 21:52 |
| ggabriel | spider-mario: get a room! | 21:52 |
| parasemic | hmm, wonder if Jolla will run GTA: San Andreas:p | 21:53 |
| tigeli | parasemic: try ;) | 21:54 |
| parasemic | im trying, but i just realised i dont even have a torrent software downloaded :D | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | spider-mario: oh my god it's full of stars | 21:55 |
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| spider-mario | :D | 21:56 |
| spider-mario | seriously, I’m just there, staring at my screen | 21:56 |
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| spider-mario | and its beautiful text on a beautiful background and beautiful breadcrumbs | 21:57 |
| spider-mario | I also love the time picker widget | 21:57 |
| spider-mario | :p | 21:57 |
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| spider-mario | and all the transitions | 21:57 |
| Morpog_PC | spider-mario, are you sure there aren't some double or even tripple rainbos there? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | spider-mario: did you create your own ambience yet? | 21:58 |
| spider-mario | yes | 21:58 |
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| FireFly | Hm, is only vfat supported for the memory card? | 21:58 |
| Morpog_PC | spider-mario, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOQSNhk5ICTI&ei=C7K4UprXGMrUtQaJu4GYBA&usg=AFQjCNFlGR1fmg2UVI9P4EWGXlKyB6JcwQ&sig2=TAlozHYXBhQ8q-GMte6BwA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.Yms | 21:58 |
| Morpog_PC | or shorter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI | 21:59 |
| spider-mario | currently with this image: https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/431979_3472908547373_855871905_n.jpg | 21:59 |
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| Turski | FireFly: how many times we need to have this conversation in one day? | 22:00 |
| FireFly | Sorry :( | 22:00 |
| FireFly | I guess I should pay better attention to #jollamobile | 22:00 |
| FireFly | s/better/more/ | 22:00 |
| spider-mario | yeah, I don’t do drugs. :D | 22:01 |
| spider-mario | unless you count music | 22:02 |
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| ShadowJK | the "is only vfat supported?" conversation will stop when other fs support implemented? :) | 22:03 |
| dunp | just juse kernel and udev to mount any fs :) | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | reiserfs, the murderous fs.. now on your phone | 22:04 |
| FireFly | :D | 22:04 |
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| ggabriel | haha | 22:04 |
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| dunp | i had it on my n900 :) and i used usb-dvd drive too :) | 22:05 |
| dunp | and keyboard on it | 22:05 |
| dunp | usb-dvb-t card too | 22:06 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: your awful command is still running :P | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: it's going to take hours likely | 22:09 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: awesome | 22:09 |
| Venemo | I'm going to have to leave it as a surprise for tomorrow then | 22:10 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: time for bed? :) | 22:10 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: surely. it's 11pm here | 22:13 |
| ShadowJK | hm... are timers killed when screen is off? | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: it's not nokia PM at least | 22:15 |
| ShadowJK | so I have to open network socket and ping it across the interwebs? | 22:17 |
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| ShadowJK | well "nokia pm" is linux pm isn't it | 22:19 |
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| skvark | just printed a new TOH for myself :) http://relativity.fi/jolla_toh/ | 22:20 |
| * ShadowJK was trying to do what he always does on new device: make battery logger :) | 22:20 | |
| Turski | skvark: nice :) | 22:21 |
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| parasemic | hmm carbo dock won't copy my gta folder | 22:21 |
| Turski | skvark: does it feel sturdy? | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. does this mean if I get irssi, I'd ping out whenever screen goes off? :) | 22:22 |
| Venemo | lol, that'd be the worst thing ever | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: somehow, yes | 22:23 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: if this is a deep suspend issue, there might be a way of turning it off | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: sleep 1 never retirns | 22:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | do we have logs alreay | 22:23 |
| ggabriel | i think i saw it n tmo recently | 22:23 |
| Venemo | skvark: you are awesome | 22:23 |
| skvark | Turski: well the model is still missing half of the brackets which keep it in place, but it's pretty sturdy | 22:23 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes, see /topic | 22:23 |
| skvark | model can be found from here: https://github.com/skvark/TheOtherHalf | 22:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i did after i asked :D asked for them a while ago when we didn;t have :D | 22:24 |
| arnbak | on the jolla official video, theres a loading indicator led on top of the device; anyone got that enabled on or regular jolla devices ? | 22:24 |
| Turski | arnbak: huh? | 22:25 |
| ggabriel | arnbak: that seems to be a proximity sensor | 22:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: what was the resolution of "pull the battery - break fs" problem? i heard you helped someone few days ago | 22:25 |
| Turski | arnbak: yeah, you must be talking about proximity sensor | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: you have the problem? | 22:25 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: actually dd uses > 50% CPU for this stuff, lol | 22:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not really dd - it's random | 22:26 |
| Venemo | yeah, surely | 22:26 |
| Venemo | it's dd that's reading it | 22:26 |
| Venemo | well, I just used urandom after all | 22:27 |
| arnbak | Turski: it looks like its a loading indicator | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | arnbak: proximity sensor | 22:27 |
| Turski | it wouldn't finish this year if you used random | 22:27 |
| arnbak | ah | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | it shows up on a camera or in dark surroundings | 22:27 |
| Venemo | so, what's the official way to connect the jolla to a linux pc to copy files to it? | 22:28 |
| FireFly | skvark: looks nice, I like the semi-translucency it seems to have | 22:28 |
| Turski | Venemo: mtp | 22:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: nope | 22:28 |
| Venemo | Turski: how does that work? | 22:28 |
| Turski | Venemo: but sshfs is better and faster | 22:28 |
| Turski | Venemo: google | 22:28 |
| Turski | Venemo: depends on your distribution and desktop environment | 22:29 |
| arnbak | iøvrigt, Stskeeps jeg skal hilse igen ;) | 22:29 |
| Venemo | [22:42] <Venemo> a volume called "Sailfish" appears in nautilus but when I click on it, it says: "Sorry, could not display all the contents of “Sailfish”: Failed to get folder list: -1: Unspecified error" | 22:29 |
| Venemo | Turski: ^ | 22:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: i'll get my phone only next month as my friend delayed flight to me and i ordered to his place, but i want to know if those problems can be resolved localy or i would need to send them to yo | 22:29 |
| Turski | Venemo: i have never tried mtp, i use just sshfs | 22:30 |
| parasemic | ok, gta san andreas confirmed to work :D | 22:30 |
| Venemo | Turski: you mean you connect to it via ssh? | 22:30 |
| FireFly | Turski: hm, ssh over wlan? | 22:30 |
| Turski | Venemo: sshfs is reported to be something like 3 times faster than mtp :P | 22:30 |
| Turski | FireFly: usb | 22:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | whats the hole for between usb port and jolla text? | 22:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: do you have log and have you tried other mtpfs devices? | 22:30 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: haven't tried others, haven't looked at log | 22:30 |
| skvark | FireFly: yeah, some PLA plastics behave like that :) | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Turski: usb networking just doesn't work | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Turski: it works over wifi but speed is suboptimal | 22:31 |
| Turski | Venemo: put the device to developer mode | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Turski: it is in developer mode | 22:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | i bet he did | 22:31 |
| Turski | Venemo: did you give it an ip? | 22:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | otherwise how he uses ssh | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Turski: I use the default setting | 22:31 |
| Turski | Venemo: from your pc | 22:31 |
| Venemo | Turski: it just doesn't work, I even can't ping it from the laptop | 22:32 |
| Turski | Venemo: did you give it an ip? | 22:32 |
| Venemo | Turski: no, I let it use the default | 22:32 |
| Turski | if the interface has no ip, of course you can't ping it | 22:32 |
| Venemo | man, why does this have to be so hard? | 22:32 |
| Turski | Venemo: network interface won't have ip by default | 22:32 |
| Venemo | I just want to copy a bunch of files | 22:32 |
| Turski | Venemo: for example $ ip a add 192.168.2.14 dev usb0 | 22:32 |
| Turski | Venemo: at your pc when the jolla is pluggen in in developer mode | 22:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: check log for mtpfs | 22:33 |
| Turski | Venemo: sounds like you didn't give it a ip | 22:33 |
| Turski | Venemo: since you have no idea what i'm talking about | 22:33 |
| Turski | Venemo: so do that and it will work | 22:33 |
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| HtheB | guys, how can I ssh to Jolla? | 22:34 |
| Turski | -_- | 22:34 |
| HtheB | what are the default user and password | 22:34 |
| Turski | nemo is user | 22:34 |
| Turski | password is set in developer mode settings | 22:34 |
| HtheB | ok | 22:34 |
| HtheB | nemo is root? | 22:34 |
| Turski | no | 22:34 |
| arnbak | HtheB: devel-su | 22:34 |
| arnbak | and your pw, gives you root | 22:34 |
| Turski | Venemo: does it work now? | 22:35 |
| HtheB | ah, typing devel-su as 'user' | 22:35 |
| arnbak | the pw, as Turski said is set in developer mode settings. | 22:35 |
| arnbak | HtheB: login to the device as nemo | 22:35 |
| HtheB | arnbak: ok now I get it! :P | 22:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: developer mode -> set password, user nemo | 22:35 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: got it! | 22:35 |
| HtheB | thanks all :) | 22:35 |
| HtheB | by default, I just thought it's root and pass by ssh settings | 22:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Turski: beat me | 22:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Turski's nick remind me of Turkish from Snatch | 22:36 |
| Turski | :) | 22:36 |
| HtheB | I'm Turkish... :P | 22:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: not turkish as from turkey, but as character in movie | 22:37 |
| HtheB | I know Turk, in Scrubs as a character | 22:37 |
| arnbak | what are you afraid of, zee germans ? | 22:37 |
| arnbak | awesome movie, Snatch :-) | 22:37 |
| Venemo | Turski: I'll try tomorrow, I'm really half-asleep already | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; is there an alternative magic sleep that does return? :D | 22:38 |
| HtheB | I haven't checked the jolla store yet, but are there any native file browsers yet? | 22:38 |
| arnbak | HtheB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heiyM61dfio | 22:39 |
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| arnbak | HtheB: thats not a link to a native file browser btw :-) | 22:39 |
| HtheB | arnbak: yeah i already noticed :P | 22:39 |
| HtheB | when I saw snatch | 22:39 |
| HtheB | hang on watching it | 22:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | arnbak: do you like puppies | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | HtheB : browser, yeah | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | but just that | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | you can browse your files with it | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | but not do anything with them | 22:40 |
| Turski | HtheB: you can install jolla-fileman with pkcon | 22:40 |
| HtheB | spider-mario: you mean file:// ? | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: while truel do sleep 60; ssh nemo@phone read battery... | 22:40 |
| HtheB | Turski: pkcon? | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | HtheB : no, I mean the file browser in the store | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: That's not actually insane but is a bit silly | 22:40 |
| spider-mario | (but maybe there is more than one and I’ve missed the others) | 22:41 |
| Turski | HtheB: pkcon is the cli tool for package management | 22:41 |
| Turski | HtheB: pkcon install jolla-fileman | 22:41 |
| Venemo | I just coined a new hashtag on Twitter | 22:42 |
| Venemo | #JollaForTheWin | 22:42 |
| HtheB | ah, like apt-get | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil; so I need a portable wifi clock pulse generator? :) | 22:42 |
| arnbak | HtheB: its rpm based now | 22:42 |
| arnbak | ZogG_laptop: but ofcourse | 22:43 |
| HtheB | arnbak: yeah, too bad :( | 22:43 |
| HtheB | never used rpm | 22:43 |
| HtheB | always debian | 22:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you used it on me | 22:44 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes! | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | Oh hey, infinite loops don't die with screen off | 22:45 |
| HtheB | arnbak: Thanks! filebrowser works | 22:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: so what's positive sides except yet other new gadget to play with? (not trolling, just wonder) | 22:45 |
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| HtheB | does anyone knwos if something happens when 'opening' an apk file? | 22:46 |
| parasemic | is there a way to see which apps are installable through pkcon? | 22:46 |
| HtheB | just clcked on one of them, but nothing happened (altough it installed something) | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | (while true; do date +%s ; done) | uniq | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | Lack of working sleep, fixed. :> | 22:46 |
| arnbak | HtheB: "opening" a apk file from the ui on device installs the android package. | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | no wait, this time it killed that one too :-( | 22:47 |
| arnbak | HtheB: if you have android support installed that is. | 22:47 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: UI is extremely smooth and very usable. Gestures are natural and feel right. I love the ambience thingy and that the jolla is very fast. I also like the form factor and the exterior design. | 22:47 |
| Venemo | I could go on | 22:47 |
| HtheB | arnbak: yeah I did | 22:47 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92140&goto=newpost HtheB | 22:48 |
| HtheB | They could at least make some 'visual thing' so you know something is happening | 22:48 |
| Venemo | that being said, I did find about a dozen bugs just tonight. but so far the positives outweigh the negatives | 22:48 |
| arnbak | HtheB: you're as it is now, not getting any feedback when clicking on the apk file, just a confirmation that 'Program' have been installed. | 22:48 |
| HtheB | Thanks Morpog_Mobile ! :) | 22:49 |
| Morpog_Mobile | :) | 22:49 |
| HtheB | arnbak: yeah, just noticed when clicking on playstore | 22:49 |
| HtheB | message popped up | 22:49 |
| HtheB | maybe in the future? | 22:49 |
| HtheB | because it's like "nothing is happening" right now | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Is there cron? | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | there's gcc, so there can be anything | 22:50 |
| * SpeedEvil hasn't found a gcc package. | 22:50 | |
| HtheB | did someone already found teh hosts files? | 22:51 |
| HtheB | to block the adds :) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | pkcon search name gcc turned up a bunch | 22:51 |
| HtheB | (adds within the android apps) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | Presumably cron will run everything simultaneously when screen comes on, though :P | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I haven't worked out which one to install - I think I saw the list and went to sleep on reflection | 22:52 |
| HtheB | anyone? | 22:54 |
| arnbak | HtheB: 2 secs | 22:54 |
| HtheB | tnx | 22:55 |
| arnbak | HtheB: haven't tried it yet, but theres a hosts file in /opt/alien/etc/ | 22:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's coz it's new | 22:55 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes. the bugs'll be fixed, I'm sure of that | 22:56 |
| Venemo | also, the bugs I found are less annoying than the glitches I usually find on androids | 22:56 |
| HtheB | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1916098 | 22:56 |
| Turski | http://turski.dy.fi/foo/jollakarhu1.png :P | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: what was your last phone? | 22:56 |
| arnbak | HtheB: all android related runs from the /opt/alien/* | 22:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: before you got jolla? | 22:56 |
| Turski | original image: http://i.imgur.com/DPkhfDz.jpg | 22:56 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I used a nokia n9 and a geeksphone peak with firefox os | 22:57 |
| nander | Lol, I was at a bar evening of the canoe-ing club I'm a member of | 22:57 |
| nander | Lots of people were interested in my phone ;) | 22:57 |
| nander | It really looks different xD | 22:57 |
| nander | Most people like the appearance | 22:57 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I've seen many-many android phones with my friends and collegaues but all of them were quite sluggish and had various glitches | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: ha. most people even who loved N9 switched to android :) | 22:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: every phone have bugs and glitches | 22:58 |
| HtheB | arnbak: I will try it then :) | 22:58 |
| HtheB | Just installed Shazam, with freakin' ads | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is nothing perfect | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: so even though there were some androids where I liked the exterior design, I always found so many flaws in the OS that I couldn't get myself to pay any money for them | 22:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | and never would \, as there is always what we can improve | 22:58 |
| nander | Some people used it for 30 secs or so and they were convinced ;) | 22:58 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: nothing's perfect. but I like the imperfectness of jolla more than the imperfectness of android. that is all. do you allow me that much? | 22:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: let's say you would get android foor free, woul you switch from N9? | 22:59 |
| nander | They agreed it's very userfriendly and quick | 22:59 |
| nander | And looks beautiful | 22:59 |
| nander | And they called it fast ;) | 22:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you are free man and i hope in free country :P | 22:59 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: depends. if it's annoying then no if it's better, then yes | 22:59 |
| nander | That's because the animations are at the speed of the user ;) | 22:59 |
| Venemo | free country? I sometimes have my doubts about that | 22:59 |
| nander | If you switch screens fast it switches fast | 22:59 |
| Venemo | nander: don't mind ZogG_laptop, he is the local negativist here :) | 23:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: then go to live in russia for few years so you can come back to your country to feel free | 23:00 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: okay, I guess there's always something worse | 23:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: btw that's exactly my point. that if everything else is so shitty doesn't make something less shitty a good thing | 23:00 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: yes it does | 23:01 |
| arnbak | HtheB: report back :-) would love to hear if it works ! | 23:01 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and jolla is not "less shitty" because I wouldn't say it's shitty. I also wouldn't say android is shitty. I only say that I do not like android and that I like jolla. | 23:01 |
| HtheB | arnbak: [nemo@localhost Downloads]$ cp hosts /opt/alien/system/etc/ cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/alien/system/etc/hosts': Permission denied | 23:02 |
| arnbak | HtheB: devel-su ? | 23:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i don;t call them shitty, it's just to make a point | 23:02 |
| HtheB | ugh ¬¬ | 23:02 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: and the point is? | 23:02 |
| * HtheB fails | 23:02 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: that you build trust | 23:02 |
| HtheB | forget to 'enable' devel-su | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | and you build respect | 23:03 |
| HtheB | after logging in with ssh :P | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | by support and hard work | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i know they work hard | 23:03 |
| arnbak | HtheB: know that feeling :-) | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | but they fail in building trust | 23:03 |
| HtheB | ok, copied! | 23:03 |
| Turski | HtheB: what are you doing? | 23:03 |
| HtheB | rebooting device :) | 23:03 |
| HtheB | replacing hosts files | 23:03 |
| HtheB | within alien | 23:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | and people still keep running after them with closed eyes which in my opinion is wrong | 23:03 |
| HtheB | to block ads | 23:03 |
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| Turski | ah | 23:04 |
| arnbak | HtheB: yes just within alien, not the system wide host file :-) | 23:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: if you don't want the jolla, don't buy. if you don't like it, don't buy. if you think you can help with it, then help. but there is no point in uselessly whining about it every day. we heard your point many times. | 23:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it's always about small details as if you fail in those, what it would lead to? | 23:04 |
| HtheB | works! | 23:04 |
| HtheB | no ads! | 23:04 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: precisely. and so far I like the small details I see on jolla | 23:05 |
| arnbak | HtheB: so you killed the ads! | 23:05 |
| HtheB | har harr | 23:05 |
| arnbak | ! | 23:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: yes they did, but same problems keep poping up so why i can't repeat? | 23:05 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: whereas I did not like the small details on android. man, I even saw a samsung where the caption of the "enter" key was outside of the key's area. | 23:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | arnbak: HtheB not so smart to block things from hosts | 23:06 |
| Venemo | any QA person could've noticed that in 2 seconds, lol | 23:06 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: why is taht | 23:06 |
| arnbak | ZogG_laptop: hosts block on an android device is a easy fix to block ads ? | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i saw n5 and 4 and they were fine. 3 was ok | 23:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | arnbak: when it would bllock your facebook or other app that uses data to host you entered and you would forget, who would you blame? | 23:08 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: it's a host file for 'ads' only | 23:08 |
| HtheB | and I dont use FB :) | 23:08 |
| HtheB | i just hate to see those banners on any app | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's host file for android emulator thing | 23:09 |
| arnbak | ZogG_laptop: who would you blame other than your self, if you're fiddling with the system in that way, you would probably be aware that it might cause problems. | 23:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: pay for app or use different | 23:09 |
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| ortylp | HtheB: then DO NOT INSTALL apps, that need ADS! | 23:09 |
| HtheB | ortylp: gimme shazam with no ads | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | arnbak: open TMO and find thread with someone crying something not working and at the end it's coz he used advice with hosts file :P | 23:10 |
| HtheB | there are some apps like "prayer times" that are free.. with ads :( | 23:10 |
| ortylp | HtheB: what is shazam? | 23:10 |
| HtheB | no 'payed' apps | 23:10 |
| HtheB | ortylp: shazam = music detector app | 23:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: soundhound | 23:10 |
| HtheB | soundhound has also ads afaik | 23:11 |
| ortylp | HtheB: why would I need something like this? | 23:11 |
| HtheB | ortylp: yes, why would YOU need it? :) | 23:11 |
| HtheB | because I need it... | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | and HtheB they are FREE because of ads, you actually paying back to author by having ads, he gave you chance to download for free and you pay back that way? | 23:11 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: there are apps that are only free | 23:12 |
| HtheB | like prayer times :) | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | for this reason | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | respect developer choice | 23:12 |
| HtheB | i dont respect the ads ;p | 23:12 |
| ortylp | HtheB: then write to the developers saying, that their app is great, and you would pay X amount of whatever to get the functionality without ads... | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | contact him and ask for paid version or use alternative or write own one | 23:12 |
| arnbak | HtheB: ZogG_laptop: have a point actually | 23:12 |
| HtheB | I know, but still :) | 23:12 |
| arnbak | in regards to why ads are there. | 23:12 |
| HtheB | since google play isn't officially supported... | 23:13 |
| HtheB | then there is no way to "get payed apps" from playstore | 23:13 |
| HtheB | so: hosts files ftw anyway | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | arnbak: i always have a point, pitty people listen to me when it's too late | 23:13 |
| HtheB | ZogG_laptop: lol :P | 23:13 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: I always listen to you! | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i know P | 23:14 |
| HtheB | the hosts files are also good for the browser | 23:14 |
| ortylp | HtheB: I have copied all .apk files of apps I bought on playstore, everything works | 23:14 |
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| HtheB | ortylp: ok :) | 23:14 |
| arnbak | ZogG_laptop: because I agrey with with you in having a point, does not mean that I would not fiddle with the hosts file. | 23:14 |
| arnbak | agree* | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: it was more sarcastic as i can't always have point :D | 23:14 |
| HtheB | loading all the ads when on a website, is also a pain in the ass | 23:14 |
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| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: you can. I always have a point, too | 23:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | like rule 1 i'm always right, rule 2 if i'm wrong check rule one | 23:14 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: not in phylosophic way | 23:15 |
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| ortylp | ZogG_laptop: sorry, there is also watchdog with timeout in place :P | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean point - when you actually right in something | 23:15 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: maybe you don't, I do | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | HtheB: you want to ban ads be a man use iptables | 23:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: okay :P | 23:16 |
| ortylp | HtheB: you need root on the android device, the files you need are in /mnt/asec/ | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo: just by telling you that you don't have always point you make a paradox | 23:17 |
| HtheB | the hosts files are in /system/etc/ | 23:17 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop: no. I said I always have a point | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | as if you do have then you have no point in saying you don't always have but then again you don't have ... | 23:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway | 23:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | good night | 23:18 |
| Venemo | srsly man, there's too late for this for me | 23:18 |
| Venemo | going to sleep, bye | 23:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | bye | 23:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | me too | 23:18 |
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| eyea | hello all | 23:37 |
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| Venemo | hey SpeedEvil you still here? | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps. | 23:39 |
| eyea | i got my jolla today does any one knows how to set the secrity code or know what it is? | 23:39 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: I've got this result: tee: /dev/sdb: No space left on device | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | eyea: you mean a lock password? | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: yes - that's expected - it should also give a long string of numbers | 23:40 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: which seems normal, but I don't see an md5 sum | 23:40 |
| eyea | yep | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops - well - I diddn't actually check it'd work. | 23:40 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: however dd didn't stop and nor do I see anything that looks like an md5 sum, just this one line | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I though tee would terminate on file write fail | 23:41 |
| eyea | does any know what it is? | 23:41 |
| eyea | 5 digit code! | 23:41 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: in any case, there weren't any errors during the write operation | 23:41 |
| Turski | eyea: just explore the settings | 23:41 |
| Turski | eyea: it's there | 23:42 |
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| eyea | i know | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: That's a plus - but there is no verifiication when read | 23:43 |
| eyea | whats the code! | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | written | 23:43 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: yep, I know | 23:43 |
| Turski | eyea: ? | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: sorry for silly error. | 23:43 |
| Turski | eyea: you need to set it | 23:44 |
| eyea | security code | 23:44 |
| eyea | how | 23:44 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: no problem. if you have an idea how to do it properly I might leave it on for the night, otherwise I'll just run an mkfs.ext4 -c -c and hope for the best | 23:44 |
| Turski | eyea: from the doggamn settings! | 23:44 |
| eyea | may i ask | 23:44 |
| Turski | go to device lock settings and set it, what's the problem there? | 23:45 |
| chem|st | did anyone have issues with modem shutting down (hardware) completely? | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | chem|st; seen people reporting "sim card lost" type stuff | 23:45 |
| Venemo | eyea: security code is something that helps you protect the device. you go to settings -> system settings -> device lock to set it | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | eyea; are you talking about jolla account password? | 23:46 |
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| chem|st | I read about SIM issues but the phone was responsive to things like settings for phone and stuff but no 2G/3G connection at all reception zero, second device right next to me with full reception | 23:46 |
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| eyea | no | 23:47 |
| chem|st | second jolla that is | 23:47 |
| eyea | security code | 23:47 |
| Turski | eyea: i really have no idea what's your problem | 23:47 |
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| Turski | you need to give some more details | 23:48 |
| eyea | phone security code | 23:48 |
| eyea | not pin | 23:48 |
| chem|st | eyea: yes device lock | 23:48 |
| Turski | and what's the problem? | 23:48 |
| Turski | or are those only words of english you know? | 23:49 |
| chem|st | Turski: dont be rude | 23:49 |
| eyea | its asks for one | 23:49 |
| Turski | eyea: you probably did set it at some point then | 23:49 |
| eyea | ah yes | 23:50 |
| Turski | chem|st: i was not being rude | 23:50 |
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| Turski | chem|st: cmon, that could be the case | 23:50 |
| Venemo_ | meh | 23:50 |
| chem|st | Turski: "00:49 < Turski> or are those only words of english you know?" is rude! | 23:50 |
| eyea | now i remember | 23:50 |
| eyea | thanks | 23:50 |
| nander | After 4 more hours with my jolla.. I don't want different anymore | 23:50 |
| nander | This is the grown up version of meego | 23:50 |
| chem|st | nander: :) | 23:50 |
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| nander | It shows the potential of meego, and more | 23:51 |
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| chem|st | who is responsible for gecko? | 23:51 |
| Venemo_ | eyea: yes, I'm talking about device lock, not pin code | 23:51 |
| Turski | chem|st: nah | 23:51 |
| nander | The mouse input doesn't work that great on the browser though | 23:51 |
| Venemo_ | anyway, good night guys | 23:52 |
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| nander | I now tell people it's a brilliant, incomplete system | 23:52 |
| eyea | done it | 23:52 |
| chem|st | nander: mouse? | 23:52 |
| nander | Emphasizing the brilliant | 23:52 |
| nander | Click | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | Youtube seems stuck in tinyvideo, and zoom to pinch doesn't work :) | 23:52 |
| nander | Sometimes I can't click input fields | 23:52 |
| nander | I use the official youtube app | 23:52 |
| chem|st | yeah known bug... | 23:52 |
| eyea | thanks thanks for the memory jog | 23:52 |
| nander | the youtube android app stops in tinymode thoug | 23:53 |
| nander | though* | 23:53 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: switching tabs is aweful as it reloads pages... if you try to copy from one page to another's input field you have the fields reset... | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | UGH!!! | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | That's my biggest issue with using androids actually! | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | I was hoping jolla would multitask and not do that shit :) | 23:54 |
| Turski | i don't use the native browser if there's no absolute reason to use it | 23:54 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: my sister just tried to do that and complained^^ | 23:54 |
| nander | it just shouldn't refresh | 23:55 |
| nander | Well, the advantage is you use less memory | 23:55 |
| nander | Disadvantage: more data, less functional | 23:55 |
| chem|st | Turski: the absolute reason is to only use sailfish native apps before using android BS | 23:55 |
| Turski | but hey, they are hiring a browser engineer so maybe we will get a better browser Soon™ | 23:55 |
| chem|st | nander: more data could be refered to as bug! | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | also the whole point of tabs is you can load stuff in background so you dont have to stare at blank screen for half a minute | 23:56 |
| Turski | chem|st: but the native browser is not good at the moment | 23:56 |
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| chem|st | Turski: android is not good atm | 23:56 |
| nander | I like how it remembers different volume settings for both with headphones and without | 23:56 |
| chem|st | later o/ | 23:56 |
| nander | I know it's standard in loads of linuxes, but it's good to see it available ;) | 23:56 |
| Turski | chem|st: but firefox for android is much better than jolla browser | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | I used to screen-off android devices and put in pocket at first, to check again a minute later, but quickly discovered they dont do anything if you do that... | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | firefox in android also does the reloading thing, but less consistently. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't :P | 23:57 |
| HtheB | does anyone has the latest flash support? | 23:58 |
| Turski | sometimes i also use dolphin browser, i don't yet quite know which one is better | 23:58 |
| HtheB | which supports by jolla | 23:58 |
| Turski | HtheB: there's no flash support on jolla | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think there is a working flash. | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Would be nice. | 23:58 |
| nander | fuck flash ;) | 23:58 |
| HtheB | flash for android... | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | (I know, but...) | 23:58 |
| Turski | flash is obsolete | 23:58 |
| HtheB | Turski: not yet ;) | 23:58 |
| Turski | should be | 23:59 |
| HtheB | a lot of websites still uses flash | 23:59 |
| HtheB | I dont care | 23:59 |
| nander | a lot? | 23:59 |
| Turski | yea, it's sad | 23:59 |
| nander | A few | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | there's no flash on android anymore | 23:59 |
| nander | video sites | 23:59 |
| HtheB | nander: not that I use ;) | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes there isn't an alternative. | 23:59 |
| nander | poor you | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | Android 4.0 was last with flash, iirc | 23:59 |
| HtheB | ShadowJK: Doesnt mean that you cant install flash | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: with it downloadable from the store - maybe | 23:59 |
| HtheB | ShadowJK: yes, but they are compatible even with 4.4 | 23:59 |
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