| special | Turski: nothing I can say, sorry | 00:01 |
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| Turski | ... | 00:01 |
| Turski | so mysterious man... | 00:01 |
| Turski | i just remember reading something about that jolla were supposed to have omap | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | though I've got the feeling that in my case it is actually the exchange version that is giving me problem | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | since I managed to convince the admin to turn off all provisioning features on the server side and it still didn't get a key | 00:02 |
| merlin1991 | now I'm sitting here with installers for exchange 2007 2010 and 2013 and will have some debugging fun | 00:03 |
| Turski | i didn't have big problems with my school's exchange | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | any idea what version they are running? | 00:04 |
| Turski | just needed to check correct settings from n9 | 00:04 |
| Turski | no idea... let me check if i can find it out | 00:05 |
| merlin1991 | in case they enabled the exchange web access, then you see the version on the login screen there | 00:05 |
| javispedro | Turski: ST-Ericsson came before Qualcomm | 00:05 |
| Turski | javispedro: ah, i probably remembered wrong then | 00:06 |
| Turski | javispedro: but that sound familiar | 00:06 |
| Turski | merlin1991: webmail is enabled | 00:07 |
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| Turski | merlin1991: van't find version information there | 00:08 |
| Turski | can't* | 00:08 |
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| Turski | "© 2009 Microsoft Corporation." is the only hint... | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't it say something like Connected to Microsoft Exchange © 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. somewhere? | 00:08 |
| Turski | merlin1991: btw, is exchange and outlook web apps different thing? | 00:08 |
| merlin1991 | no idea | 00:09 |
| Turski | there's a mention about 365 office | 00:09 |
| Turski | Mailbox server Microsoft Exchange version: 14.2.247.0 | 00:10 |
| Turski | there it is | 00:10 |
| Turski | and Version: 14.2.390.1 | 00:10 |
| merlin1991 | 14.x is exchange 2010 | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | meh, journald says dbus-daemon is generating "JavaScript errors" (it's actually the browser) | 00:14 |
| * javispedro doesn't want to know | 00:14 | |
| special | applications launched by dbus occasionally have their errors misreported by journal | 00:15 |
| javispedro | I imagine -- inheriting log domain from parent | 00:16 |
| Turski | i don't like jolla browser at all | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | there is a lot of funny stuff in the Journal :) | 00:16 |
| Turski | i just hope they can hire a good browser engineer soon :) | 00:16 |
| special | it's a scary place :) | 00:16 |
| CraigA | Turski not really | 00:16 |
| CraigA | OWA is how exchange runs now almost all the time | 00:17 |
| Turski | since i saw a job open for a broser engineer | 00:17 |
| javispedro | I find the browser great, coming from a N9.. | 00:17 |
| CraigA | even internally, most communication is done through https to the exchange server | 00:17 |
| javispedro | (albeit the tabs reloading is criminal) | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the journalctl utility itself is unfortunately rather outdated | 00:17 |
| special | M4rtinK: I believe there's a systemd upgrade happening in a mer next branch | 00:18 |
| Turski | javispedro: UI i unlogical and too big elements and does not comply with jolla ideology | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | the one in recent Fedora (19/20) can dirrectly do grep, coloring, error levels, etc. | 00:18 |
| Turski | javispedro: and has no landscape mode! | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | special: nice ! :) | 00:18 |
| Turski | i think the browser is the wors piece of jolla software at the moment and needs most improvement | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | Turski: some part look kinda nice visually | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, features are lacking | 00:19 |
| Turski | i just think it should be done again from the scratch with better design | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, any one able to run the android Opera Mobile (not mini) ? | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | at least the one from Yandex crashes for me | 00:20 |
| javispedro | hm, for some reason, launching a BLE scan on my Jolla kills my WLAN | 00:20 |
| javispedro | albeit connecting works fine (and thus I can confirm that the Jolla has BT4) | 00:20 |
| Turski | special: latest systemd upgrades destroyed my desktop experience... but surely those won't affect jolla | 00:21 |
| Turski | jsut haven't been able to suspend my desktop for few months | 00:22 |
| Turski | actually i don't even know if it was systemd or something else | 00:22 |
| Turski | at least don't being able to shutdown was tracked to st terminal emulator... and from that being somekind of probably X11 bug | 00:23 |
| Turski | which is quite interesting, but not on topic of this channel | 00:23 |
| javispedro | yeah, confirming, launching a BLE scan confuses the BT/WLAN chip and requires reset .oO(firmware bug?) | 00:23 |
| javispedro | (the scan itself works...) | 00:25 |
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| javispedro | so it seems you can't scan AND use wlan at the same time. oh well. | 00:30 |
| javispedro | hoping there's a public bugzilla some day to dump these things there instead of /dev/null ;) | 00:32 |
| Turski | is there mosh packages for jolla available? | 00:32 |
| Turski | should probably ask my school to install mosh for shell server | 00:34 |
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| M4rtinK | Turski: there is a blogpost: http://blog.ruecker.fi/2013/12/01/mosh-for-sailfish/ | 00:51 |
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| M4rtinK | Turski: and there is also a mosh package I've built a while ago: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish/sailfishos_1.0.1.10_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm | 00:53 |
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| Turski | M4rtinK: oh... | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | in short, both should be working :) | 00:59 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, good night! :) | 00:59 |
| Turski | yeah, just need to get mosh to my school's server | 00:59 |
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| Turski | and good night too | 00:59 |
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| CoderCandy | What is Fedex doing? Apparently my Jolla have been going back and forth to France, and is now in Finland again | 05:04 |
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| Stskeeps | CoderCandy: you know how there's this .gif of a package bouncing on a delivery band.. | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | i am fairly sure they've outsourced it to santa, judging by the route | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:25 |
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| neosisani | are there any plans to make jolla phone with proper keyboard? | 07:37 |
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| atlaz | neosisani: some talk has been about a Other Half with a qwerty-keyboard | 07:47 |
| atlaz | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91535 | 07:48 |
| neosisani | oooh shiny, this is like exension, not complete phone, right? | 07:50 |
| atlaz | Yeah, the "back cover" is exchangable | 07:51 |
| atlaz | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/09/26/other-half-concept-ideas-to-jolt-the-imagination/ | 07:51 |
| atlaz | neosisani: and unlike other phones, Jolla has some connectors in the back so that you can actually do these kinds of things | 07:52 |
| neosisani | atlaz connecting keyboard to i2c? | 07:52 |
| atlaz | neosisani: yeah | 07:52 |
| neosisani | that sounds somehow so wrong | 07:52 |
| atlaz | Why? :) | 07:52 |
| neosisani | since cover would be master, and phone slave | 07:53 |
| atlaz | neosisani: read the thread i threw at you, on talk.maemo.org | 07:53 |
| atlaz | They've sorted it out pretty far | 07:53 |
| flux | neosisani, an interrupt pin is also provided so it doesn't need to work that way | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | flux: how's the BT LE things coming along btw? | 07:58 |
| flux | haven't tried it further | 07:59 |
| neosisani | thanks flux, reading the topic now to figure out what they have for now | 07:59 |
| flux | probably at the same opint as javispedro ;) | 07:59 |
| flux | but, christmas holidays are only at their beginning! | 07:59 |
| flux | ..and so is going to the relatives :/, in fact I should be moving my butt right now. happy xmas-hacking ;) | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | flux: hehe ;) | 08:01 |
| flux | stskeeps, I did get so far as to install the latest sdk last night and set up command line compilation/deployment scripts for myself, so I'm all set ;-) | 08:01 |
| flux | now all I need to do is choose the right commands and put them in the order I want and it works! | 08:02 |
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| atlaz | Oh man, i got pretty far on my arcade cabinet yesterday. Did all the sawing (and still got my thumbs) | 08:05 |
| atlaz | Then i figured out i had the wrong screws so i had to stop for the day and regroup | 08:05 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks, not much time so I thought I'd fire this out there and see who knows what ... it looks to me as if pulling the battery wipes out any wi-fi sites that have been set up. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, pulling battery is not a recommended mode of shutting down anything ;) | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | that said, bit surprised | 08:53 |
| msknight | It's the only way when it freezes! | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | point | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | you can also hold down power button in many cases though | 08:54 |
| neosisani | msknight don't have jolla, but can you try adding site, shutting down properly, booting, then pulling the battery and see if it remains | 08:55 |
| msknight | Right - got to get behind the wheel and go get our chrimbo turkey. They'd better not pull the power on that ... like they did a few years back ... everyone's chrimbo dinners were ruined in the village. | 08:55 |
| msknight | I'll try neosisani ... and report back later, but I do recall shutting it down properly on a number of occasions, certainly after programming in the domestic wi-fi. | 08:56 |
| msknight | Bye for now. | 08:56 |
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| covox | atlaz: nice | 09:13 |
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| covox | full-height cabinet or a cocktail? | 09:14 |
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| tobiski | i've had to put my pin code few times when double tapping the screen awake. anyone else had that and is it known bug? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | lock code or sim pin | 09:28 |
| tobiski | sim | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | and it hasn't rebooted for sure? | 09:29 |
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| tobiski | cant be sure.. i've noticed it when taing he phone out of pocket | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | okay, a good way to see is if your apps are still running | 09:31 |
| tobiski | self-rebooting just sounds unlikely | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes and no, there's watchdogs running | 09:31 |
| tobiski | yeah, need to leave some app on background and check the next time it asks for the pin | 09:32 |
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| peakki | tobiski: with one operator (DNA) in finland the same issue. usually a new sim card has resolved the issue | 09:39 |
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| tobiski | peakki: dna also, and i changed sim card just this week >_> | 09:40 |
| kor | congratulations. you're a beta tester. | 09:41 |
| peakki | tobiski: hmm, wierd. my jolla doesn't have this issue with sonera :) | 09:43 |
| peakki | if I remember correctly, one jolla user changed from DNA to Sonera this week, and the problem was gone after that | 09:43 |
| Pnuu | could it be bad contact with the sim? | 09:44 |
| Pnuu | with olden nokia phones it was quite usual to get "no sim card" error | 09:44 |
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| kor | no, it's only been reported with dna :/ maybe they have too thin sims? | 09:45 |
| tbr | pad it with a piece of paper | 09:45 |
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| tobiski | interesting.. well if it starts to happen too often i'll need to do something about it | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | check your sim and slot, at least | 09:49 |
| tobiski | read from finnish forum that if you press the backcover where the sim is, the contact is lost or something | 09:52 |
| petantik | i had issues where the phone lost connection with sim and it told me to restart | 09:53 |
| petantik | and it also made the battery percentage incorrect | 09:54 |
| jake9xx | petantik: which operator, and is your sim self-cut or already in uSIM form? | 09:54 |
| petantik | jake9xx: giffgaff precut | 09:54 |
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| petantik | so one day i was at 24% battery for 8 hours | 09:54 |
| tobiski | i have original dna sim card and managed to lose the contact by pressing the backcover | 09:55 |
| jake9xx | petantik: which sw version? The first release had issue with the battery status value | 09:55 |
| jake9xx | tobiski: asking because I've tried it with mine but haven't succeeded in losing contact.. however SaunaLahti is so bad that network itself requires me to reboot now and then | 09:56 |
| petantik | jake9xx: the latest. 1.0.1.12 | 09:56 |
| tobiski | but the point where to press is quite precise | 09:56 |
| jake9xx | ok, what would it be? | 09:56 |
| petantik | it was in my pocket at that time. | 09:57 |
| tobiski | exactly at the point where the sim card is | 09:57 |
| Acce | any info on together.jolla.com yet? | 09:58 |
| jake9xx | tobiski: no luck here. Went thru the whole area | 09:59 |
| jake9xx | tobiski: which TOH are you using to repro, it, white or something else? | 10:00 |
| tobiski | jake9xx: tried it myself again but couldn't repoduce o_O just before did it twice | 10:00 |
| tobiski | white | 10:00 |
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| Azog | i have the same issues: tested with two sim cards (o2 germany), when carrying in the pocket the sim card loses contact from time to time | 10:02 |
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| Frye | jake9xx, What kind of issues you have with Saunalahti? I've had no isses since the launch on Narinkkatori. | 10:05 |
| Frye | At least issues that I could pinpoint to the device | 10:05 |
| Frye | erm operator | 10:05 |
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| Aard | Azog: micro sim from operator, or cut yourself? | 10:21 |
| Azog | Aard: from operator | 10:22 |
| Aard | jake9xx: my main phone is saunalahti, no problems at all | 10:22 |
| jake9xx | Frye: I live in the wilderness, wolves, lynxes, bears and stuff around | 10:22 |
| jake9xx | Frye: no coverage and my post-nuclear-life-quality house blocks the remaining signals | 10:23 |
| Frye | lol | 10:23 |
| jake9xx | Aard: how far did you cast if from the shore? | 10:23 |
| Frye | Almost like me then, except I do not live in the faraday cage :D | 10:23 |
| Frye | And I live in deeper woods than Aard :D | 10:23 |
| jake9xx | Frye: so I live just north of Kauniainen, but Saunalahti thinks this is not real area for good coverage | 10:24 |
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| Aard | jake9xx: it worked all the way to rovaniemi ;) | 10:24 |
| Frye | :D | 10:24 |
| jake9xx | Aard: eh, you wrote 'in saunalahti' - that's the bay just south from me | 10:25 |
| Pnuu | well, I'm in Ivalo now, and saunalahti works just perfect ;-) | 10:25 |
| jake9xx | Pnuu: you live there? | 10:25 |
| Azog | i can confirm, that pressing on TOH where the sim card is leads to a contact loss of the sim card | 10:25 |
| Pnuu | jake9xx: no, I live in Espoo, but my parents live here | 10:26 |
| jake9xx | Pnuu: offtopic but did you hang on Inari (M)BBS ? | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | no, I didn't even have a computer during bbs times :-D | 10:26 |
| Pnuu | and my folks just moved here 5 years ago, although we've had a summer cottage here from the early seventies | 10:27 |
| jake9xx | well, in general saunalahti is ok (cheap & stuff) but this house is just at the edge of two cells, so if I am in kitchen, cell regiters to bs 1 and I go to living room it registers to bs 2 | 10:27 |
| jake9xx | Pnuu: roger that | 10:27 |
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| Frye | jake9xx, that is annoying. I have that same with DNA and sonera at my house. | 10:29 |
| Quu | saunalahti is shit nowdays | 10:29 |
| Aard | .p3~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~ | 10:29 |
| Quu | 0.2mb connection for 3e/month or 20mbps conenction for 35e/month | 10:30 |
| Frye | And I hate it when the phones (any phone) just start jumping between the stations | 10:30 |
| jake9xx | Frye: yeah, its' the nature of cell technology | 10:30 |
| Quu | 3g connections that is. | 10:30 |
| Nicd- | Quu: I like saunalahti still, 2M connection | 10:30 |
| jake9xx | also Saunalahti is good if there are no other subscribers on that bs | 10:30 |
| Pnuu | Quu: I think I pay 15 e or so for 20 mbps 3G connection :-P | 10:30 |
| Quu | Nicd-: how much does that cost and where do i get it? :p | 10:30 |
| jake9xx | but if there are 9 elisa subscribers and one saunalahti - guess who is last in line | 10:30 |
| Frye | I just have to have all three. Sonera, Saunalahti and DNA for my work | 10:31 |
| Pnuu | including few sms and talk | 10:31 |
| Frye | because I need to be able to work no matter where I am at. | 10:31 |
| jake9xx | if you can get saunalahti megareilu with 20e/m it's good deal | 10:31 |
| Frye | Surprisingly least issues with data connectivity I have with saunalahti | 10:31 |
| Quu | Pnuu: but i dont want to pay more than 10e/month for shit im not going to use anyways | 10:31 |
| Quu | i have less than 5min of calls per month | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | Quu: 12.90 € for 300 min / 25 sms / 2M data | 10:32 |
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| Frye | I have 0-5 calls on my saunalahti and 0 calls on the Sonera one. But data transfers are completely another story :D | 10:34 |
| Frye | Company has DNA as main contract, others are just backup lines. | 10:34 |
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| Frye | My only worry for xmas is that I will be denied access to the computer running SDK | 10:41 |
| Frye | But let's see if I can get around that. | 10:42 |
| Aard | Frye: you can install compiler and headers on the phone :p | 10:42 |
| Frye | Ah | 10:43 |
| Frye | I could also play with a simple qml project | 10:43 |
| Frye | Although my initial plan was to maybe add online high scores to the samegame | 10:43 |
| Quu | Frye: samegame is yours? :) | 10:44 |
| Quu | the balls are maybe bit too shiny, hard to see the colours | 10:44 |
| Frye | Quu, it's partly mine and partly code from qt samples | 10:46 |
| Frye | Next version has about dialog ingame with the license bits. | 10:46 |
| Frye | I just did the UI with sailfish components. | 10:47 |
| Frye | as a learning project | 10:47 |
| Aard | Frye: I managed to break it :) | 10:47 |
| Frye | There is a bug with the board on current version on store | 10:48 |
| Frye | if you click the stones too fast the rows get messed up | 10:48 |
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| Frye | there is a fix pushed to store waiting for QA | 10:48 |
| Frye | But I expect it to show up for DL after the xmas | 10:48 |
| Aard | Frye: yep, that's what happened to me | 10:49 |
| Aard | http://bwachter.lart.info/samegame.png | 10:49 |
| Frye | yep | 10:49 |
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| Frye | There is a 0.6 rpm on my rapsberry Pi if you want to get the fix sooner =) | 10:50 |
| Frye | 0.5.6 | 10:50 |
| Frye | and ofc sources are on bitbucket if someone wants to build it or take a look at it. | 10:50 |
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| walokra | hmm, any more information about this: https://twitter.com/HarriHakulinen/status/414705513369051136 (nfc bug affecting battery life) | 10:52 |
| AJAX555 | so, how much is that bug affecting the battery life? | 10:53 |
| tbr | sounds like the nfc reader is not turned off under certain conditions | 10:53 |
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| entil | do you guys use the fakevim editor in the ide? cuz I think I found an issue there... I use a lot of source ~/.vim/whatever.vim type of stuff and it doesn't seem to expand the ~ to mean my home | 10:57 |
| entil | it's probably usable enough (still looking into the qt/silica references, not doing much yet) but if I can get all my vim goodies running it'd always be nicer ;) | 10:58 |
| Pnuu | entil: use external vi(m)? | 10:59 |
| entil | Pnuu: I can do that? :O | 10:59 |
| Pnuu | well, I haven used the sdk at all :-) | 10:59 |
| entil | haha ok | 10:59 |
| entil | there's a lot to digest, my c++ experience is close to zero and I only once tried pyqt (which is probably dead by now) so learning to do all the virtualbox stuff and all the deployments on top of that is a bit too much | 11:00 |
| Pnuu | I'm hoping pyotherside to be available in base repository | 11:01 |
| entil | but if the error I get about not finding ~/vim/foo.vim is only because the IDE doesn't expand tildes I'd consider that a bug in the IDE | 11:01 |
| Pnuu | so far I've been just learning qml and doing some backend stuff with python | 11:01 |
| entil | hmhm, wonder if I'd have an easier time just doing python instead of c++ | 11:02 |
| entil | there are bindings for all this stuff, so it's completely possible to do pure python apps? | 11:02 |
| entil | what I'm trying to accomplish is reading in a csv file of my n900 sms/chat history and faking it into the jolla | 11:02 |
| Pnuu | http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/ | 11:03 |
| Pnuu | but: python3 and the pyotherside aren't in base repos | 11:03 |
| entil | ok, I actually don't mind doing this through c++ if that's what it takes, I need to brush up on non-python languages anyway | 11:04 |
| tbr | there's py-otherside | 11:04 |
| tbr | doesn't it use sqlite for that? or was it tracker? | 11:05 |
| entil | what's the flow like with pyotherside? I still have the basic execution in c++, I model the UI with QML as usual, but I can extend the QML syntax to include calls to python? | 11:05 |
| entil | the way I've figured it thus far is something like QDir from qtcore to find the csv, copypaste a slim csv parser off of stackoverflow (:D) and adapt it to my needs, and read up on libcomm and how to interact with it, creating the qml ui stuff as I go along | 11:06 |
| entil | and put this up on github for public ridicule ;P | 11:06 |
| tbr | I think there was an open source pyotherside app already | 11:07 |
| entil | but can the original executable be python? | 11:07 |
| entil | cuz pyotherside says it's a qml plugin, and it looks like it only interacts with the qml layer... and I might be wrong but afaict the architecture in this is that you have qt executing code and qml to help it, and the developer, out with the ui layout | 11:08 |
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| entil | can qml execute any code? | 11:11 |
| entil | looks like it calls functions, doesn't define them | 11:12 |
| entil | so pyotherside probably allows me to define python3 modules and call them from qml, and the base of it all is probably qtquick still | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | entil: you can use javascript in qml | 11:14 |
| entil | ok, that's not bad either | 11:14 |
| entil | Nicd-: meaning I can define js functions within the qml file? | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | yes | 11:15 |
| entil | that might be useful | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/59cf62ad06c8d38abd42b68f0428e6ffff3b7e4a/qml/harbour-sailtime.qml?at=master | 11:15 |
| entil | my gut instinct, though, is that if the libcomm stuff doesn't have js/py bindings I'm better off defining all the lower-level code in c++ | 11:15 |
| entil | I know I have the links w00t gave me somewhere, in the irc logs if nowhere else | 11:16 |
| entil | Nicd-: what's up with updateDisplay? do you tell the compiler there's gonna be js in there, or does it react on the function keyword? | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | entil: it's defined on line 62 | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | or what do you mean? | 11:18 |
| entil | "One of the great advantages of using QML to define a user interface is that it allows the user interface designer to define how the application should react to events with simple JavaScript expressions." | 11:18 |
| entil | that. it appears it's meant to be javascript | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | you don't need to explicitly say it is | 11:18 |
| entil | so I get to call either js or c++ code from qml, that's actually pretty nice | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | yep | 11:18 |
| entil | (and even python, to the extent stated above) | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | I call C++ on line 63 there | 11:19 |
| entil | oh whoah, I love it :D | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | checker.fetchUptime(); calls https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/59cf62ad06c8d38abd42b68f0428e6ffff3b7e4a/src/uptimechecker.cpp?at=master | 11:19 |
| entil | and the line 66 uptime_re is exactly the kind of code you'd not want to do in c++ I guess ;P | 11:20 |
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| entil | I was thinking of doing this csv thing without a ui even, but it'd suck. the ui is still pretty pointless so I don't think this project will see anything really fancy | 11:21 |
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| Tofe | ah, why can't my ubuntu establish a network with the Jolla in developper mode ? | 11:22 |
| entil | Nicd-: but thanks for that, very educational :) now I got to go stand in line at itis saunalahti for a microsim card | 11:22 |
| Nicd- | entil: yeah, it's really handy to be able to do that regex stuff in JS, and not having to care about types | 11:23 |
| entil | yeah | 11:23 |
| entil | and fsck, got a SIGINT from work, guess the sim card has to wait | 11:24 |
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| entil | funny not having a phone, got an email like "did you get my sms?" ;P | 11:25 |
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| arnbak | my jolla device, have entered a boot loop; Is there something I can do to get it of out that state ? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | arnbak: you're fl4f? | 11:31 |
| arnbak | Stskeeps: yes that me | 11:31 |
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| jupaja_ | Hi guys we are the contacts stored find / -name "contact" or "contacts" was the soulution | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | arnbak: jeg skal ned i byen de naeste 3-4 timer, bagefter vil jeg gerne hjaelpe dig med at diagnosticere | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | arnbak: jul osv ;) | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | arnbak: bare lad den staa slukket i mellemtiden | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | what is this moon language I see | 11:38 |
| arnbak | Stskeeps: det lyder meget fornemt :-) | 11:38 |
| arnbak | Stskeeps: jeg skal lige på en lille udflugt selv også | 11:39 |
| arnbak | Nicd-: seems weird to you :) ? | 11:39 |
| arnbak | Nicd-: its danish | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | I know :P | 11:39 |
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| Venemo | hey | 11:51 |
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| jubo2 | This Jolla phone better be good if I'm to cough up 399€ | 11:53 |
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| Pnuu | I'm more than happy with it | 11:54 |
| jubo2 | In 2008 I "invested" 480€ on a NOK E75, same money woulda bought me iPhone Gs ... | 11:54 |
| jubo2 | s/Gs/2Gs/ | 11:54 |
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| ShadowJK | For a not-linux phone, I liked E75, though the screen resolution was really poor at the time | 11:55 |
| jubo2 | so that went obviously wrong.. | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | ssh and irc was nice with the kb, though battery life was pretty horrid | 11:55 |
| jubo2 | I told the story about the whetstone to undo the disnaiding | 11:55 |
| AJAX555 | I just want to see more other halves d; | 11:56 |
| jubo2 | If Jolla doesn't come with custom generic textile covers ... | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | I don't mind the pattern on the back | 11:56 |
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| jubo2 | to take the impact coz it's gonna fall at some point | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | I love plastic. My plasticy samsung netbook doesn't mind if I drop it | 11:57 |
| ShadowJK | enough flex in the plastic and empty space inside to absorb the impact shock :) | 11:57 |
| Pnuu | jubo2: just glue some felt in the otherhalf :-) | 11:58 |
| jubo2 | I once dropped a NOK 1611 into the lake system Päijänne | 11:58 |
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| Pnuu | I swam with 3110 in lake Kivijärvi | 11:58 |
| Pnuu | opened it up and let it dry, worked again in the evening | 11:59 |
| AJAX555 | I dropped my 3310. | 11:59 |
| jubo2 | Got it up, blew into the holes, stuck it in aftersauna and then the bank of the fireplace.. then couple days, boot it, it boots but the battery life is shit and theres condensed water display | 11:59 |
| AJAX555 | lucky there was snow | 11:59 |
| AJAX555 | but it ended up being in there for ~1h | 11:59 |
| Nicd- | I swam with my 6822, it didn't mind | 12:00 |
| Tofe | yeppee, I did usb tethering though my computer :) | 12:00 |
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| jubo2 | I prlly told about the NOK 3650 that fell 8 stories and survived | 12:05 |
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| jubo2 | it had optimal setting to do it ( the falling ) | 12:05 |
| jubo2 | the 1st story roof was bitumen and inclined | 12:05 |
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| jubo2 | Judging from the crash marks it had hit the inclined roof for maximum impact energy dissipation into rotational movement thing | 12:06 |
| jubo2 | I thought it'd not survive but it was ok, little bruises on the cast plastic, even the battery wsa in.. | 12:07 |
| jubo2 | Good it didn't rain that night... I got hold of the janitor service by only the next morning | 12:07 |
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| jubo2 | My internal comments were: "Whoa. That _was_ my phone as I contemplated my falling phone and the eventual sound of impact.." | 12:13 |
| jubo2 | o tempora o mores jolla genzorz | 12:13 |
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| jubo2 | Say I was to go to a DNA shop tomorrow.. | 12:19 |
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| jubo2 | would I find a finalized produt? | 12:19 |
| Pnuu | no | 12:20 |
| jubo2 | bu shi? | 12:20 |
| walokra | you would find a beta product | 12:21 |
| jubo2 | that's pinyin for "not be" | 12:21 |
| Pnuu | but the software evolves, and there'll be more and more apps | 12:21 |
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| jubo2 | it syncs with calendars on any platform and able to enter cyrilic so I can read the menu and I'm prlly pretty happy camper with Jolla | 12:33 |
| jubo2 | *if | 12:33 |
| jubo2 | isn't there like a synchronization protocol that is prevalent or has serious prevelence potential.. | 12:34 |
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| Nicd- | caldav? | 12:35 |
| jubo2 | yeah.. that's prlly it | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | no caldav support yet | 12:36 |
| jubo2 | bummer.. | 12:38 |
| jubo2 | ability to enter any lanuguage ? | 12:39 |
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| Quu | enter? | 12:40 |
| jubo2 | Finnish, French, Russian etc. | 12:40 |
| jubo2 | I guess it will have possiblity to enter finnish | 12:41 |
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| PeperJohnny | up to 13 languages | 12:42 |
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| jubo2 | that trio is about all I need to enter | 12:42 |
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| jubo2 | to have a pinyin quick access kbrd would be interesting | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | russian, finnish and french keyboards are builtin | 12:42 |
| jubo2 | but then again | 12:42 |
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| Nicd- | there's also a chinese vkb I think | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | I can't tell which asian language the letters are from but I think it's chinese :P | 12:43 |
| jubo2 | "Wo men bu shi Ameri guo ren. Women shi Finn guo ren. Buyao pai!! Buyao pai!!" ~ jubo-jubo on survival mandarin | 12:43 |
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| Quu | ok. | 12:45 |
| jubo2 | means "We're not Americans, We're Finnish. Dont shoot!! Dont shoot!!" | 12:46 |
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| jubo2 | In china you verbally greet your most loved ones by asking them "Ni shi fan le ma?" | 12:47 |
| jubo2 | means en."have you eaten yet?" | 12:47 |
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| jubo2 | apparently if they reply "bu shi" then you must get them grub immediatelly | 12:48 |
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| jubo2 | grub costs 1€ | 12:55 |
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| Tofe | Jolla phone is indeed quite hackable: in some minutes, I could tether my ethernet connection over the usb cable to the phone... | 12:58 |
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| tbr | well comes with iptables :) | 12:59 |
| jubo2 | MANGLE! | 12:59 |
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| jubo2 | no, no, don't mangle | 12:59 |
| M4rtinK | grub1 or grub2 ? ;-) | 12:59 |
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| jubo2 | I leave the Mangle table be.. I just control the INPUT and OUTPUT tables | 13:00 |
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| pesasa | Is there some way to adjust alarm volume? Is it the same as ring-tone volume? Are there different kind of volume settings? Seems to scare me every morning. | 13:36 |
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| nander | pity.. I still only know it will be delivered tomorrow and not at what time yet | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | there's nothing like a heartattack going to your address bar, picking the url from fedex tracking, and it saying delivered | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | until you realize it's a old package from november | 14:33 |
| nander | haha ;) | 14:34 |
| nander | This is my first ever fedex delivery | 14:34 |
| nander | I think the post in the Netherlands is quite busy | 14:35 |
| nander | It has left paris 15 hours ago | 14:35 |
| ShadowJK | Hope I get mine on monday, it went on a detour and now looks like it's heading the right way, but in that direction also lies the "wtf do we do with this"-centre :s | 14:35 |
| nander | ? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | i have 'departed fedex location' and it hasn't arrived anywhere yet. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | since last night | 14:36 |
| nander | Mine left ROISSY CHARLES DE GAULLE CEDEX FR twice | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm looking for reports of crashed fedex planes | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| nander | 15 hours ago | 14:37 |
| nander | and 18 hours ago | 14:37 |
| Pnuu | one of my dx.com packages left hong kong six times | 14:37 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: it's on a FedEx blimp, somewhere over europe ;) | 14:38 |
| Pnuu | fedex zeppelin | 14:38 |
| nander | I'd say fedex pizza delivery guy ;) | 14:38 |
| nander | Are they using trucks for transport? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i do ponder about the amount of batteries and planes | 14:38 |
| nander | It took them 18 hours to get from VANTAA to paris | 14:39 |
| nander | Paris IS quite a detour btw ;) | 14:39 |
| AJAX555 | fedex zeppelin called Hindenburg | 14:39 |
| nander | It has to go to the netherlands :) | 14:39 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: hasn't stopped me yet. I regularly travel with more than any recommended limit... | 14:39 |
| nander | But I think it's just because their network is star-shaped ;) | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: http://xkcd.com/651/ crosses my mind each time i go through a security check | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | what i however didn't know | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/10/response-to-bag-check-cartoon.html | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:41 |
| tbr | I've had pretty much naked 18650 cells (that's what is in most laptops) in both my checked and carry-on | 14:44 |
| nander | checked is not allowed | 14:44 |
| nander | formally | 14:44 |
| tbr | security check helsinki commented, as long as that's not close to a liquid container, we don't care | 14:44 |
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| tbr | yes, reality disagrees | 14:45 |
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| nander | within europe? | 14:45 |
| tbr | yes | 14:45 |
| nander | They tend to be a lot more friendly then ;) | 14:45 |
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| entil | hehe, is it a ploy to sponsor the BSD license that all new projects start off with that one bsd-licensed example? ;) | 14:48 |
| atlaz | http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1536567_10152059593604286_1905046992_n.jpg My arcade is coming along! | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | entil: we could have been evil and apl all ze things | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:48 |
| entil | I like the BSD license, and I like how the built-in git didn't commit the entire initial project, so it's all ok | 14:48 |
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| entil | legal stuff is a bit hard, though. like am I expected now to make sure the name jolla isn't used anywhere, because this isn't an app endorsed by jolla either way | 14:50 |
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| nander | atlaz - big oth | 14:50 |
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| atlaz | nander: ha | 14:50 |
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| nander | Onestat: Internet Explorer 6 / Windows XP << This is hilarious | 15:01 |
| nander | Jollas are counting as IE6 on that counter xD | 15:01 |
| Pnuu | 0_o | 15:02 |
| Quu | lol | 15:02 |
| nander | probably default value | 15:02 |
| nander | Let's hope IE6 usage goes up during the next months xD | 15:02 |
| nander | IE6 is at 0.1% right now | 15:03 |
| nander | Lol, it has been around since at least 2002 xD | 15:03 |
| nander | http://www.modern.ie/ie6countdown | 15:05 |
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| nander | China ruins the stats xD | 15:05 |
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| artemma | How do you activate WhatsApp? | 15:31 |
| artemma | I saw comments about people using WhatsApp on jolla, but on my device it doesn't detect an incoming sms and I can't see any alternative way | 15:32 |
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| tobiski | artemma: have you told the app to send yu the activation sms? | 15:38 |
| artemma | I did. SMS detection failed. Then verification via call worked | 15:39 |
| tobiski | did the same, so does it work now or can't you receive any messages from others? | 15:39 |
| artemma | nobody messaged me on whatsapp yet :) | 15:41 |
| vegai | artemma: do you use the android version? | 15:41 |
| artemma | not my main communication channel. And to my understanding on jolla I can only reply to ppl messaged me | 15:41 |
| artemma | yep, android one | 15:41 |
| tobiski | well I can see eeryone on my contact list who uses whatsapp | 15:42 |
| tobiski | open whatsapp and tap the second icon from right on top row | 15:42 |
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| vegai | http://openwhatsapp.org/ I guess there's some hope of getting a native version in some future | 15:42 |
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| tobiski | I can select receiver just fine from that list | 15:44 |
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| vegai | I wonder if there's any hope for battery usage improvements in the OS side | 16:05 |
| vegai | going from 90% to 50% over the night seems a bit bad | 16:05 |
| Venemo | mission accomplished! | 16:05 |
| Venemo | got a 64GB microSD for the jolla :) | 16:05 |
| vegai | looks like every new mobile OS has to suffer from this... | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | vegai: The basic issue is severalfold. Can the hardware do it. Can the software do it. Are there docs for the hardware available so the community can do it, or does Jolla have to do it all alone. | 16:06 |
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| vegai | SpeedEvil: yea... | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: what's involved in getting it mounted? | 16:07 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | the reason to bad battery lide is nfc chip | 16:07 |
| vegai | HarhaanJohtaja: that a fact? Your nick makes me wonder :P | 16:07 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | or ehat ever it is | 16:07 |
| vegai | the other side thing? | 16:07 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: I haven't got the jolla itself yet, but Stskeeps told me that it would work; I will only have to format it to either btrfs or ext4 | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:08 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://www.matkapuhelinfoorumi.fi/threads/jolla-k%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6kokemukset.81351/page-34 | 16:08 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | read this | 16:08 |
| Venemo | because they don't support exFat or something | 16:08 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at encrypted forums. | 16:08 | |
| Venemo | HarhaanJohtaja: could you summarize in English, please? | 16:08 |
| Yaniel | they can't legally | 16:09 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | they have removed to nfc sticker from the other half and battery life like 7 times better in idle | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | lol? :/ | 16:09 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: I thought the support was in the kernel and wasn't their responsibility | 16:09 |
| vegai | that's sad, especially when the other half is an almost totally useless marketing gimmick | 16:10 |
| Yaniel | not in mainline | 16:10 |
| Venemo | Yaniel: ah, my wrong then | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite possible to support exfat legally. Just not free as in beer. | 16:11 |
| Venemo | what is exfat anyway? is it the same as fat32? | 16:11 |
| vegai | Well, I'm gonna go ahead and try that | 16:11 |
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| vegai | ah, should've taken some measurements before removing the sticker | 16:15 |
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| vegai | oh well, I'll go by gut feeling | 16:15 |
| Quu | also people saying there it doesnt do shit | 16:15 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | easy way to test is to use it without the other half | 16:15 |
| vegai | yeah | 16:15 |
| Quu | its the NFC thing on phone what causes the drain | 16:15 |
| Quu | not the stupid sticker | 16:15 |
| vegai | that makes much more sense, yes :) | 16:16 |
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| vegai | but we'll see | 16:18 |
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| Venemo | I think the real trouble there is that jolla hasn't been able to complete the other half features. it feels kind of unfinished | 16:21 |
| Venemo | I'd guess the rest of it will come with software updates | 16:21 |
| vegai | what did they promise on that? | 16:23 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | are we really to expect another sailfish update before end of year? | 16:23 |
| Quu | yesd | 16:24 |
| Venemo | I dunno | 16:24 |
| Quu | probably mostly bugfixes | 16:24 |
| Venemo | vegai: nothing, afaik | 16:24 |
| spider-mario | <nander> Mine left ROISSY CHARLES DE GAULLE CEDEX FR twice | 16:25 |
| spider-mario | <nander> 15 hours ago | 16:25 |
| spider-mario | <nander> and 18 hours ago | 16:25 |
| spider-mario | mine stayed there 3 hours as well | 16:25 |
| spider-mario | but it first arrived then departed | 16:25 |
| spider-mario | 23 hours ago and 20 hours ago | 16:26 |
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| vegai | Quu: I guess they're saying that the nfc related bug might not get triggered if there's no nfc sticker to communicate with? | 16:26 |
| Quu | ok, how does that work? | 16:27 |
| Quu | magic involved too? | 16:27 |
| vegai | you're asking me? No idea whatsoever :) | 16:29 |
| vegai | do you have better knowledge about this issue? | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | What's the little rubber flap next to the SIM cover with a picture of a SIM on it for? | 16:30 |
| vegai | is there even an issue? | 16:30 |
| Quu | SpeedEvil: its supposed to hold the simcard in place or something | 16:30 |
| Venemo | anyone here familiar with ext4? I've formatted the microsd to ext4 using gparted but now if I try to copy anything to it, it says "Permission denied" or "Operation not permitted" | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - as a deeply stupid zeroth cut. | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I removed my other half - unplugged and replugged battery, and rebooted | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | current measured by the power meter now, instead of saying about 230mA - when logged in over ssh with the display off - shows a minimum of 10mA | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is teh equivalent of 200h battery life, not 9h. | 16:33 |
| Yaniel | whut | 16:33 |
| spider-mario | so, the other half is currently a power drain? | 16:33 |
| spider-mario | is that a software issue? | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | spider-mario: It could be many things. | 16:33 |
| spider-mario | I don’t remember seeing that problem mentioned in any review. is it new? | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It could in principle be anything from an unfixable hardware problem (unlikely) to a one-line fix in code. (not unlikely) | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | btw, atm I have 3g connectivity but it does not show a network name | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I have not investigated online the causes of current draw - owing to trying to install my AC. | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | in any case, we should tell someone in jolla about this | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | lbt might already know :P | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: are you measuring current on battery pins? | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: No. | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | awk '{print systime(),FILENAME,$0}' /sys/devices/platform/msm_ssbi.0/pm8038-core/pm8921-charger/power_supply/battery/[^dps]*now | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It looks ballpark | 16:36 |
| lbt | Yaniel: ? | 16:36 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I am not sure how useful is that because of suspend | 16:36 |
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| vegai | Quu: You were saying?: ) | 16:37 |
| Yaniel | lbt TOH nfc and battery usage | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: This is hitting return on the above command in a ssh shell. | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: over wifi | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: While in principle it may be 'wrong' because of suspend - it's right because of suspend too. | 16:37 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it is not representative of idle power though | 16:37 |
| javispedro | *necessarily representative | 16:38 |
| Quu | vegai: there is button on the phone what TOH presses when inserted | 16:38 |
| Quu | that probably activates the NFC | 16:38 |
| Quu | and keeps it running | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It is, as current_now will be a previously sampled value. Not the immediate current over the last microsecond | 16:38 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I doubt NFC is kept on during suspend | 16:38 |
| vegai | Quu: ah, I see | 16:38 |
| Venemo | something is kept on | 16:39 |
| Quu | vegai: you could test it by holding the NFC tag over the phone (where its supposed to be) and press the button/lever with something | 16:39 |
| Quu | if theme changes, thats what activates it | 16:39 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: ah, sampled -- my mistake then | 16:39 |
| lbt | afaik the toh detection runs for "a while" | 16:40 |
| lbt | less than a minute I think | 16:40 |
| Jope | the switch activates the scan yes | 16:40 |
| vegai | I don't claim any knowledge on how NFC works... are you saying there's no way the sticker could cause the phone's nfc to be activated even when it shouldn't? | 16:40 |
| Quu | vegai: no, if its not running 24/7, it does nothing | 16:41 |
| Venemo | lbt: according to HarhaanJohtaja the device lasts noticably longer without that thing, so something must be going wrong somewhere | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | vegai: NFC is polled - the sticker cannot transmit if the circuirty in the phone doesn't ping it | 16:41 |
| Yaniel | a bug is always a wai :P | 16:41 |
| Yaniel | way* | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | If there is an actual switch - there is no reason to keep NFC on, for the default halves at least. | 16:41 |
| Quu | SpeedEvil: there is atleast one | 16:42 |
| Quu | and thingie on TOH what presses the switch | 16:42 |
| javispedro | and I see pressing the switch triggers activity on I2C pins | 16:43 |
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| nander | http://www.tox.im/ << this should be ported when it's ready | 16:50 |
| nander | With the rise of widespread government monitoring programs, Tox is an easy to use application that allows you to connect with friends and loved ones without anyone else listening in. | 16:50 |
| nander | Basically skype done right ;) | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | skype was done right at first | 16:51 |
| nander | But now it's broken | 16:51 |
| javispedro | there's always a shitload of "we keep your security for you. honest, really" like programs | 16:51 |
| javispedro | but I can tell you one thing: true security is many things, but it is NOT convenient | 16:51 |
| nander | That's untrue | 16:51 |
| nander | I encrypted my HDD, and I don't even notice ;) | 16:52 |
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| nander | there is a seperate chip doing the decryption | 16:52 |
| Venemo | okay, Firefox OS doesn't recognize the 64GB microSD, I really hope the Jolla will! | 16:52 |
| javispedro | nander: a separate chip you know nothing about | 16:52 |
| nander | It does AES | 16:52 |
| nander | And the key is mine | 16:52 |
| nander | It's a processor | 16:52 |
| javispedro | nander: where does it store it? do you enter it every time it boots? | 16:52 |
| nander | It's stored on a special way, encrypted with my linux password | 16:53 |
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| nander | And automatically unlocked when I login | 16:53 |
| nander | I only encrypt my data | 16:53 |
| nander | So it's as convenient as a password | 16:53 |
| javispedro | correct | 16:53 |
| nander | tox.im can be as convenient as skype | 16:53 |
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| nander | but decentralized | 16:54 |
| nander | If tox is decentralized, if it isn't it's a failure | 16:54 |
| javispedro | not really unless there's key exchange in different medium | 16:54 |
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| nander | Yes, it uses dht | 16:55 |
| nander | You just need that key exchange to ensure that client is the only client listening | 16:55 |
| nander | You can ensure an unknown client is the only one listening by using a three-way-handshake | 16:55 |
| nander | public-private key encryption, remember? | 16:56 |
| javispedro | public-private key encryption is useless if you are not exchange keys in a separate medium, as said. | 16:56 |
| nander | You just exchange public keys | 16:56 |
| nander | It isn't | 16:56 |
| nander | It really isn't | 16:56 |
| nander | Because you can check the identity of the other in other ways | 16:56 |
| javispedro | like, a separate medium. | 16:56 |
| nander | For instance, by asking him things only the other could know | 16:57 |
| nander | and I know the answer of | 16:57 |
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| javispedro | nander: no, that's stupid, and it's still insecure against MiTM. | 16:57 |
| nander | It's secured from NSA listening | 16:57 |
| javispedro | not really.... not even secured from the authors of this program listening. | 16:58 |
| javispedro | or any other user of the P2P network... in fact. | 16:58 |
| nander | the source is open | 16:58 |
| nander | You can verify the AES encryption | 16:58 |
| Yaniel | and risky if it involves transmitting the answer | 16:58 |
| nander | That' s the beauty of AES | 16:58 |
| nander | The encryption itself is valid ;) | 16:59 |
| nander | tox.im uses DHT and other techniques inside the network | 16:59 |
| nander | That's how it's kept secure who's talking to who | 16:59 |
| nander | but the data itself is safe | 16:59 |
| nander | As long as AES holds | 16:59 |
| javispedro | nander: even if the encryption is flawless, which it may be but you will never be able to verify because they're using a non-standard implementation, | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Once you have a reliable channel - it's trivial to ask the other end 'is your key fingerprint 388FFA...' | 17:00 |
| vegai | Quu, SpeedEvil: Well, I don't know if I'm having confirmation bias or what, but the battery life seems more stable after only removing the sticker | 17:00 |
| javispedro | nander: there's no protection at all against MitM unless key exchange is done in separate medium | 17:00 |
| nander | That's UNTRUE | 17:00 |
| javispedro | nander: and this separate medium is were things start to become less convenient | 17:00 |
| vegai | i.e. has stayed at 58% for more than 15 minutes, which did not seem to happen before | 17:00 |
| javispedro | *where | 17:00 |
| nander | You need to exchange SOMETHING in a separate medium | 17:00 |
| nander | But not necessarily the keys | 17:01 |
| nander | Public keys are called public keys for a reason | 17:01 |
| javispedro | yes, the keys. | 17:01 |
| nander | You might as well put them on your homepage of your website | 17:01 |
| javispedro | yes. | 17:01 |
| nander | Doesn't matter for a single % | 17:01 |
| javispedro | separate medium. | 17:01 |
| nander | They are public | 17:01 |
| nander | I'd send them to info@nsa.gov, just for fun | 17:01 |
| javispedro | *reliable channel* as in the words of SpeedEvil | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | you still have to verify who they actually belong to | 17:01 |
| nander | yes | 17:02 |
| nander | Call them | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Err - no. | 17:02 |
| Yaniel | >> In a separate medium | 17:02 |
| nander | Tell them to say 4821308321 | 17:02 |
| nander | That's enough | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: If you have a channel that is transparent end-end - that's enough | 17:02 |
| javispedro | nander: No. You have to ensure key fingerprint is correct. | 17:02 |
| nander | NOO | 17:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: it doesn' tmatter if it's MITMd | 17:02 |
| nander | That's the beauty | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: re prima i hope somebody will manage to get the later oss'ed version going, we had too little time/too little support to get it working | 17:02 |
| nander | MiTM is impossible, because it's public/private key | 17:02 |
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| nander | Only identity fraud is possible | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: seems like there was a change of heart between android 4.1.2 and 4.2.x from qcom side | 17:03 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it does -- it means that they key you think belonged to your Contact actually belongs to Intruder, who is just paraphrasing what your Contact is saying | 17:03 |
| nander | that'd work | 17:03 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: yeah, the module is however not entirely equivalent to the one you shipped | 17:04 |
| nander | But not if you keep a dht of all usernames and public keys | 17:04 |
| nander | that way the user has to check if his public key is right in the dht | 17:04 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: do you have authorization from qualcomm to distribute new ones, built with newer kernels I hope? | 17:04 |
| nander | And a client can take care of that automatically | 17:04 |
| javispedro | nander: so you are getting to where I wanted to -- you have to call your Contact and check if key fingerprints match. | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: so, i don't have high hopes for us doing full kernel version upgrades (let's say, 3.4 -> 3.7) from an entire source point of view, but, we're not in a situation where we can't rebuild our kernels cos of that module | 17:05 |
| lbt | nander: if someone has control over your IP stream ... then what? | 17:05 |
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| nander | that's for 100% security, for 99.99% it's plenty to do it like tox.im does right now | 17:05 |
| javispedro | nander: trading convenience for security I see :) | 17:05 |
| nander | I'd be amazed if they can do that without throttling my connection | 17:05 |
| lbt | +1 ... but that was the point | 17:05 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: are you sure the jolla'll recognize this 64gb sd card? I'm starting to have doubts | 17:05 |
| nander | I have 1 Gb/s up and down | 17:06 |
| lbt | Venemo: it will | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: quite sure, i've yet to hear of any case where something didn't | 17:06 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: aha, I suspect that's OK for now then. | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it's very much the ODM model impact we're seeing here, the majority of that related work is done by an ODM | 17:06 |
| nander | And am very close to the fiber backbone in the netherlands ;) | 17:06 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: eg. the firefox os device didn't recognize it | 17:06 |
| lbt | Venemo: it recognises anything ... it's just that non-expert users don't understand "only using certain filesystems" | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: you probably need something non-exfat, naturally | 17:06 |
| Venemo | I formatted it to ext4 | 17:07 |
| Venemo | as you said | 17:07 |
| javispedro | nander: It's the NSA you're talking about, they can probably overthrow your local government if the rumors are right :) | 17:07 |
| lbt | javispedro: "can" ? | 17:07 |
| nander | And the thing is all traffic is sent over a peer to peer network with a dht-like system, so it's not even really possible for the NSA to know who's talking to who | 17:07 |
| nander | And then it's pretty damn hard to do a man in the middle attack | 17:07 |
| Venemo | anyway, I can totally understand that the fxos device has this limit; I just hope the jolla will really work with it | 17:07 |
| javispedro | lbt: "have done exactly that in the past" hehe. | 17:07 |
| smokex | actually its the CIA that usually does the actual government overthrowing part | 17:07 |
| lbt | I was pretty much thinking "have" here in the UK | 17:07 |
| nander | It's a n awful lot tougher than the skype ' we have a central server' approach | 17:07 |
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| smokex | the NSA decides its necessary | 17:08 |
| javispedro | but this comes to my other part of my rant -- use Jabber, OTR encryption plugin and call it a day. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | it's one of the most secure options and a decade old. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | at least. | 17:08 |
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| nander | The thing is, that's a perfect solution | 17:08 |
| nander | But too tough for general users | 17:08 |
| lbt | nander: the issue here is that as Bruce says ... encryption works and making life difficult is the goal | 17:08 |
| nander | However, tox.im isn't | 17:08 |
| nander | and it's a lot tougher for the NSA to spy on | 17:09 |
| nander | So they can spy fewer people | 17:09 |
| nander | which is kinda the point | 17:09 |
| lbt | nander: the other big issue is to ensure that old, captured streams cannot be decrypted if your current system is compromised | 17:09 |
| lbt | ie fluid keys | 17:09 |
| nander | I don't know if tox.im does that | 17:10 |
| lbt | it is something that hasn't been a major concern in the past | 17:10 |
| lbt | now NSA-style organisations adopt "catch it all, analyse it later" | 17:10 |
| lbt | so it matters more | 17:10 |
| nander | You can always add another account and switch ;) | 17:10 |
| Yaniel | usability? no | 17:11 |
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| lbt | just mentioning it as an academic thought atm :) | 17:11 |
| parasemic | hey | 17:11 |
| nander | tox.im uses session keys | 17:11 |
| parasemic | so now my phone has stopped waking up from doubletap at all... | 17:11 |
| nander | Each session uses new public keys ;) | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | and unless everyone changes accounts at the same time you could still track who communicates with whom | 17:12 |
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| nander | They use session keys | 17:12 |
| parasemic | w00t: you think i should contact dna for repair or is it a software bug. i can basically play a fingerdrum solo with the screen and it wont wake up | 17:12 |
| nander | So a compromised system isn't compromizable backwards | 17:12 |
| nander | parasemic, not a drum solo, twice on the same spot | 17:12 |
| Yaniel | parasemic: what about power button? | 17:13 |
| parasemic | power button works | 17:13 |
| nander | Twice on exactly the same spot | 17:13 |
| parasemic | yeah, i know | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | you are using the wrong finger then | 17:13 |
| parasemic | it still wont open up like 90% of the time | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | ;) | 17:13 |
| parasemic | also, my fingerdrumsolos include doubletapping to the same spot many times | 17:14 |
| parasemic | ;) | 17:14 |
| parasemic | just tried tapping the same spot until it opened.. opened up after like 20-30 taps | 17:14 |
| nander | my jolla is stil at CdG | 17:15 |
| nander | (paris) | 17:15 |
| Venemo | this begs another question | 17:15 |
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| nander | Well, it's still just left that | 17:15 |
| Venemo | if something goes wrong with my jolla, what do I do with it? | 17:15 |
| nander | 18 hours is a long time for no update ;) | 17:15 |
| Venemo | is there a warranty for it? | 17:15 |
| nander | Of course | 17:15 |
| parasemic | ofc there is a warranty | 17:15 |
| nander | European warranty, at least 2 years | 17:15 |
| nander | So it probably is 2 years | 17:15 |
| parasemic | i just doubt its a hardware problem, as the screen works perfectly after the device is open | 17:16 |
| lbt | parasemic: fyi double tap doesn't work if it's in a pocket | 17:16 |
| lbt | :) | 17:16 |
| lbt | why is that relevant? | 17:16 |
| lbt | because it uses the proximity sensor ... which is up near the front camera | 17:16 |
| lbt | so if you double-tap whilst something is 'near' it won't work | 17:17 |
| lbt | of course that may not be your issue - but worth checking | 17:17 |
| Venemo | sure, but since there's no jolla store nearby, where do I take it for warranty? | 17:17 |
| lbt | Venemo: how did you get it to you? | 17:17 |
| nander | I think you'd have to ship it | 17:17 |
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| Venemo | lbt: it didn't (yet) | 17:17 |
| nander | Contact care@jolla.com AND info@jolla.com, maybe then they answer quickly ;) | 17:18 |
| lbt | Venemo: stop being such a pessimist then! | 17:18 |
| nander | If you just mail care@ you probably don't get an answer ;) | 17:18 |
| parasemic | lbt: what do you suggest on how to check it? | 17:18 |
| lbt | nander: yeah - they're not bad really - just got a lot of Q&A | 17:18 |
| lbt | parasemic: lie it on a table - double tap at the bottom without reaching over the camera | 17:19 |
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| parasemic | well, when the phone stops waking up with doubletap i never have anything near the camera | 17:20 |
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| parasemic | it seems really inconcistent also | 17:20 |
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| Yaniel | are you maybe touching the corner of the screen at the same time? | 17:20 |
| parasemic | sometimes it feels like there is no problems, and sometimes i cant wake it up for 30min without power button | 17:20 |
| parasemic | yaniel: no | 17:20 |
| Yaniel | because that happens to me every now and then | 17:21 |
| Yaniel | and it seems to be a bit picky about touch events in general | 17:21 |
| parasemic | well, i cant check anything right now as now it seems to work once again :D | 17:21 |
| nander | a heisenbug? | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | ie I have to touch it just with the right force & angle etc | 17:22 |
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| parasemic | lbt: when i put my hand on top of the proximity sensor, like 4cm off, it wont open up | 17:23 |
| parasemic | which is obviously way too high | 17:23 |
| parasemic | compering to my N9 in which the proximity sensor locks the screen if something is like 1-2cm off of it | 17:24 |
| lbt | parasemic: for me it seems that if I start with my hand close to the camera and raise it the threshold is different to just bringing my hand in from the side | 17:25 |
| parasemic | well, if i bring my hand from the side, it wont wake up if its 4-5cm off | 17:26 |
| parasemic | 5-6cm and then it works | 17:26 |
| nander | bug found ;) | 17:26 |
| lbt | parasemic: keep your hand >6cm away when double tapping :) | 17:26 |
| Pnuu | nander: was it dead or alive? | 17:26 |
| Pnuu | the heisenbug ;-) | 17:27 |
| nander | << parasemic found the bug | 17:27 |
| lbt | parasemic: was that the issue? | 17:27 |
| parasemic | im not sure yet | 17:27 |
| parasemic | im still confident the phone sometimes stops waking up even if there is nothing blocking the sensor | 17:27 |
| parasemic | and its got worse ever since i bought the phone | 17:27 |
| lbt | double-tap waking up? | 17:27 |
| lbt | or power button too ? | 17:27 |
| parasemic | power button works 100% | 17:28 |
| lbt | ok | 17:28 |
| * lbt afk for a while | 17:28 | |
| artemma | Is there any [good] known way to sync google calendar with Jolla? | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | no | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | exchange does not work afaik | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | from the google side | 17:29 |
| nander | google dropped exchange support | 17:29 |
| artemma | no working caldav yet? | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | caldav is not yet in sailfish | 17:29 |
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| nander | not yet .. | 17:29 |
| niceduck | hi there. Anyone got MfE working with OnPremises Exchange ? | 17:30 |
| Yaniel | now that is a fine bird | 17:31 |
| parasemic | hmm, seems like the phone wont open up if i tap near the edge of the screen | 17:31 |
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| parasemic | or does, maybe, sometimes :D | 17:32 |
| parasemic | btw wasnt together.jolla.com supposed to open this week | 17:33 |
| nander | next week | 17:33 |
| nander | or rather this week | 17:33 |
| nander | this sunday - next saturday | 17:33 |
| nander | formally | 17:33 |
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| Pnuu | weeks start on monday ;-) | 17:33 |
| nander | sunday | 17:33 |
| niceduck | hehee. monday | 17:33 |
| Pnuu | in finland on monday | 17:33 |
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| niceduck | indeed | 17:33 |
| nander | internationally, the standard is sunday | 17:34 |
| Pnuu | internationally, there are too many standards | 17:34 |
| nander | It's just christians fubarred by saying sunday is the resting day | 17:34 |
| niceduck | anywa, I think jolla MfE lack possibility to fallback to URL https://<ActiveSyncServerURL>/Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync to get correct settings | 17:34 |
| nander | the jews still have saturday as the resting day | 17:34 |
| nander | http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/ | 17:35 |
| nander | click on your calendar in your os | 17:35 |
| nander | which day is on the left side? | 17:35 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | According to the traditional Christian, Islamic and Hebrew calendars, it is the second day of the week. But according to international standard ISO 8601 it is the first day of the week. | 17:35 |
| Pnuu | nander: depends | 17:35 |
| Raim | nander: internationally, the standard is actually Monday, defined by ISO 8601 | 17:36 |
| nander | Fuck iso | 17:37 |
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| Yaniel | niceduck: yep, and I heard there are cert issues as well | 17:38 |
| niceduck | with valid verisign CA certs ? | 17:39 |
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| Yaniel | I don't know details | 17:39 |
| niceduck | Cert issues I have struggled with N900/N9 and verisign new intermediate certs, but those I can hande | 17:40 |
| arnbak | Stskeeps: back from christmas shopping :-) | 17:40 |
| nander | At least the n9 was able to connect to wpa enterprise networks... | 17:40 |
| niceduck | BUT, even N9 had hard coded :433 on activesync URL, which made loadbalancer configuration little more complex =) | 17:41 |
| niceduck | typaclly L7 LBR had just main URL for HTTPS, *without* 443 port | 17:41 |
| niceduck | and when client has hard coded port on URL --> LBR much have separate L7 content just to serve that client | 17:42 |
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| niceduck | "/emailserver.domain.com/* <> /emailserver.domain.com:443/*" | 17:43 |
| niceduck | funny enough, old Symbians and even iToys don't use port numbers on HTTPS URL's ;) | 17:45 |
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| niceduck | So, if anyone can provide ag-tool list-settings for working MfE profile, I could try make working account for myself and write step-by-step instructions | 17:47 |
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| niceduck | without native tcpdump, have to setup web-proxy and tune LBR to get initial wizard go thru | 17:49 |
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| lbt | niceduck: or install it | 17:50 |
| niceduck | install what ? | 17:50 |
| lbt | tcpdump | 17:50 |
| niceduck | how, where ? | 17:50 |
| lbt | ssu er mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install tcpdump | 17:50 |
| niceduck | ahh, dev repo =) | 17:51 |
| lbt | dev mode, tools repo, yes | 17:51 |
| niceduck | ok, muct enable it then ^^ | 17:51 |
| lbt | dev mode is basically "let me treat this device like a linux box" | 17:51 |
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| niceduck | yes | 17:52 |
| niceduck | but as I come from redhat world, I am usually carefull with something I am not falimiliar, like this pkcon | 17:53 |
| lbt | pkcon install zypper :) | 17:53 |
| lbt | but really it's better to just use pkcon as all our testing is done using it | 17:53 |
| niceduck | naturally | 17:54 |
| niceduck | hmm, dev repo needs registration .... | 17:55 |
| lbt | ? | 17:55 |
| lbt | do you have a jolla account ? | 17:55 |
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| niceduck | I have | 17:55 |
| lbt | it needs that | 17:55 |
| niceduck | ok | 17:55 |
| lbt | but should need nothing else | 17:55 |
| lbt | and don't touch 'allow developer updates' | 17:56 |
| niceduck | hehee, ok | 17:56 |
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| niceduck | lbt, seems I cannot get ssu repo enabled =( | 18:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it ssu r first - to register? Or is this done through the GUI in sme manner I'm missing. | 18:09 |
| niceduck | hmm, I think Playstore install makes this not working | 18:10 |
| lbt | niceduck: ssu lr | 18:10 |
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| niceduck | all ssu command output starts with : [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 18:10 |
| niceduck | which I wild quess is because I have Google Play installed/enabled | 18:11 |
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| lbt | lpotter: Aard: ^^ | 18:11 |
| lbt | no, it's not that | 18:11 |
| niceduck | ah, ok | 18:11 |
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| lbt | dinner calls .. l8r all o/ | 18:12 |
| niceduck | oh, and indeed, I only have wi-fi, no sim card | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Is 'ssu r' needed before accessing the dev repos, and should the password that works to login to https://account.jolla.com/registration/login/ work? Apologies for silly questions - only partially awake. | 18:15 |
| niceduck | hmmm, ssu r gives me failure, even web site goes ok | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | '' | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | https://account.jolla.com/devices says my device is registered. | 18:19 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: have never run 'r' since I got the device, and 'status' says I'm not registered | 18:19 |
| javispedro | everything works | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 18:19 |
| javispedro | no idea what that `registration' is, possibly sth internal. | 18:19 |
| niceduck | hehee | 18:19 |
| niceduck | on web, I only get my profile, no word of device | 18:20 |
| javispedro | niceduck: I think that just logging in to the store once is enough to get the device listed there | 18:20 |
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| niceduck | ahhaa, this device was on my collegue 1 day, so perhaps device is still connected to his account | 18:20 |
| niceduck | ah, no, just noticed dropdown list, and I can device under my account there | 18:21 |
| niceduck | *see* | 18:21 |
| niceduck | hmm, perhaps I found reason ... stay tuned | 18:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: pykon install tcpdump works? | 18:31 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: tcpdump is not on my current set of repos | 18:32 |
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| faenil | javispedro, yes, internal (ssu r) | 18:35 |
| faenil | niceduck, ^ | 18:35 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, ^ | 18:35 |
| niceduck | sup ? | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: ah | 18:36 |
| niceduck | My repos went likely messed, as I passed wrong password on 1st devel-repo enable | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ssu r does not work for me - returns error. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | h - right | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | nvm | 18:37 |
| niceduck | same here; returns Host requires authentication | 18:37 |
| * SpeedEvil failed to parse. | 18:37 | |
| faenil | niceduck, as long as ssu status returns sales you should be okay | 18:38 |
| niceduck | Enabled repositories (global): | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - adaptation0 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla-hw/adaptation-android-common/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - adaptation1 ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla-hw/adaptation-qualcomm-sbj/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - aliendalvik ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/aliendalvik/SbJ/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - apps ... https://releases.jolla.com/jolla-apps/1.0.1.12/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - eas ... https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/1.0.1.12/eas/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - hotfixes ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/hotfixes/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| niceduck | - jolla ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/jolla/armv7hl/ | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ssu status does not return sales here. 'not registered' | 18:39 |
| faenil | sorry ssu domain | 18:39 |
| niceduck | Device registration status: not registered | 18:39 |
| faenil | ssu domain | 18:39 |
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| niceduck | Device domain is currently: sales | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | That indeed does return sales | 18:39 |
| faenil | okay | 18:40 |
| faenil | you should be okay | 18:40 |
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| faenil | what's the issue? | 18:40 |
| niceduck | now, as I read talk.maemo.org forums ... It seems, I need to delete /etc/ssu/ssu.ini, reload factory defaults twise, then update backto current release and then it could work | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | <lbt> ssu er mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install tcpdump | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | - I'm wondering wht else I need to setup in order for the last step to work. | 18:41 |
| niceduck | I caanot activate devel-repo to install tcpdump | 18:41 |
| faenil | niceduck, which devel-repo | 18:41 |
| Pnuu | mer-tools | 18:41 |
| niceduck | that ssu er mer-tools | 18:41 |
| faenil | you can't enable the devel-repo which are in "developer mode" settings | 18:41 |
| faenil | ah ok | 18:41 |
| faenil | what is the issue with that? | 18:42 |
| niceduck | I cannot get MfE working | 18:42 |
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| faenil | niceduck, I mean, what's the issue with adding mer-tools | 18:42 |
| niceduck | I need tcpdump to debug MfE active-sync logic | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah, right. I thought lbt was implying tht developer mode settings and 'repos with tcpdump and interesting stuff' were different. | 18:42 |
| niceduck | I just doesn't work | 18:42 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: seems that ssu er does not do error checking; "ssu er this-repo-does-not-exist" 'works'. | 18:42 |
| niceduck | [root@localhost ssu]# ssu er mer-tools | 18:43 |
| niceduck | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 18:43 |
| niceduck | " | 18:43 |
| javispedro | niceduck: reboot | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yeah - I just realised that. | 18:43 |
| faenil | niceduck, come on, steps and error msgs, if you want help :D | 18:43 |
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| faenil | niceduck, not sure you should worry about that connman | 18:43 |
| javispedro | he probably crashed connman | 18:43 |
| niceduck | then pkcon refresh | 18:44 |
| niceduck | [root@localhost ssu]# pkcon install tcpdump | 18:44 |
| niceduck | Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find tcpdump | 18:44 |
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| * faenil goes check one thing | 18:44 | |
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| faenil | okay so, tcpdump is in mer-tools | 18:45 |
| faenil | which is a public repo | 18:45 |
| niceduck | ah, ok | 18:45 |
| niceduck | perhaps reboot indeed is needed | 18:45 |
| faenil | niceduck, so, what is the problem with "ssu ar mer-tools" | 18:45 |
| faenil | niceduck, not er, ar | 18:45 |
| niceduck | It returns that "odd"" message, like all ssu commands | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: it does not result in it being added and showing up in lr | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | faenil: The above odd errors do not occur for me. | 18:46 |
| niceduck | [root@localhost ssu]# ssu lr | 18:46 |
| niceduck | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 18:46 |
| niceduck | " | 18:46 |
| niceduck | and then normal output | 18:46 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, what about "ssu ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/ mer-tools" | 18:46 |
| Pnuu | does `ssu` need root permissions? | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | That has added a repository of that name | 18:47 |
| niceduck | anyway, making reboot on device to see, if anything changes | 18:47 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, now "ssu ur" and then try installing tcpdump | 18:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I tried pkcon refresh | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | which is proceeding | 18:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | [root@localhost nemo]# tcpdump -h | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | tcpdump version 4.4.0 | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Woohoo. | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Many thanks faenil lbt. | 18:50 |
| jupaja | had anyone luck to add cacert ? | 18:50 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, okay good :) so it worked for you | 18:50 |
| * SpeedEvil writes that down for others. | 18:50 | |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, np | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | faenil: Disabled repositories (user): | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | - home ... https://download.jollamobile.com/home:/honeybadger/latest_armv7hl/ | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this relevant - or dangerous - or irrelevant. | 18:51 |
| faenil | SpeedEvil, ignore | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 18:51 |
| faenil | it's everywhere, irrelevant ;) | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 'these are not the repositories you are looking for' | 18:51 |
| faenil | :) | 18:52 |
| niceduck | btw, should repos be activated root or user ? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: enable it and then run pkcon install *nsa* :) | 18:52 |
| faenil | guess root | 18:52 |
| niceduck | aye, I like root to all on platform, altought, there might be -s- flags on programs | 18:53 |
| Venemo | so obviously, those are the repositories you are looking for | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I did it as root. | 18:54 |
| niceduck | aye | 18:54 |
| Pnuu | honebadger! those are cool animals | 18:55 |
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| niceduck | superchuckens | 18:55 |
| niceduck | *superchickens* | 18:55 |
| Venemo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeybadger | 18:56 |
| niceduck | we had those as disguiced dragons, and *YET* they were easiers than *ANY* badger *OR* penguin | 18:56 |
| Aard | `/win 88 | 18:56 |
| jupaja | is ist just me or is the store down? | 18:58 |
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| Pnuu | jupaja: opened for me | 19:00 |
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| jupaja | okay | 19:00 |
| niceduck | fenil ; wohoo, ssu ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/ mer-tools *ATLEAST* made mer-tools wisible on enabled repos \o/ | 19:01 |
| faenil | niceduck, okay good :) | 19:02 |
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| niceduck | *AND* now, fiunally tcpdump is installed ! | 19:03 |
| niceduck | THANK YOU faenil ! | 19:04 |
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| faenil | niceduck, np | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And powertop. Powertop is a bit unhappy that it's not a x86 system though :) | 19:05 |
| niceduck | as people comes and goes, I repeat ; if anyone has working MfE profile, I could use it to make instruction base on OnPremises SETUP !? | 19:05 |
| niceduck | If none has, than I go hard way, and tcpdump MfE wizzard, try to tune LBR to fullfit wizzard needs and hopefully get working setup | 19:06 |
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| CoderCandy | I soo wanna be able to track the GPS coordinates of my package in real time... | 19:07 |
| niceduck | I so want to get Mfe work all time, as without it, this won't ever become company phone | 19:08 |
| artemma | Does Jolla have offline maps? I thought I've heard Here maps can be offline, but I can't see how | 19:08 |
| Pnuu | niceduck: or replace M$ mailsystems.. | 19:09 |
| niceduck | Yeah, I used to operate Oracle Beehive, but quess what; that freaking exchange is everywhere | 19:10 |
| niceduck | If jolla wish to see another day, Corporate user needs must be satiesfied | 19:11 |
| niceduck | Even I hate every single bit coming from M$ heaven, even I must admit, they rule the world atm | 19:12 |
| SpeedEvil | niceduck: to be fair - they made some nice mice. | 19:12 |
| Venemo | I've just found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Wjr14ujqg - made me laugh | 19:13 |
| niceduck | None of those were suitable on my hand =) | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: I can't see how to enable any map saving if it was indeed available | 19:14 |
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| Frye | artemma, In theoru they can be offline maps. I believe the maps are in such a format. | 19:14 |
| Frye | However currently it is not supported I believe | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Saved maps can be very, very expensive to provide. | 19:15 |
| artemma | exploring yandex maps, there should be a way to take them offline.. | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | In terms of licence fees. | 19:15 |
| * artemma is traveling to Saint-Petersburg in two days | 19:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | artemma: Openstreetmap in principle may be helpful. | 19:15 |
| niceduck | My Nexus 7 can DL maps from Google Play to be used offline .... | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | However, I don't know if it's got decent coverage in the area. | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | niceduck: in a limited manner. | 19:16 |
| niceduck | ok | 19:16 |
| niceduck | I do not know facts, my area of expertise is totally else where =) | 19:16 |
| javispedro | what a pity about the fmradio | 19:17 |
| niceduck | I like idea of front-end of Jolla, it is so near with N9, I had 10 minutes learning | 19:18 |
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| niceduck | If I ever get real qwerty on it, it will be my 1st choise. N900 had it, Comminucator 9500 had it | 19:20 |
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| niceduck | One just cannot restart whole datacenter while driving using virtual keyboard | 19:20 |
| niceduck | done that too many times with communicator and N900 =) | 19:21 |
| Pnuu | alias k='reboot_datacenter.sh' | 19:22 |
| niceduck | Ah, yes ... WE need proper VPN software also | 19:22 |
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| niceduck | Pnuu, not that easy | 19:22 |
| niceduck | Cisco AnyConnect or similar is must | 19:23 |
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| niceduck | even I prefer IPSec over SSL, SSLVPN is today | 19:24 |
| artemma | Jolla keyboard language switch is pretty cool.. if you need to switch between a dozen of languages. Not so cool when you need just 2-3 | 19:25 |
| lbt | niceduck: sorry, ssu is always interesting :) | 19:26 |
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| niceduck | lbt; no worries, trouble was solved, thanks to faenil | 19:27 |
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| lbt | niceduck: I think you may have done it slightly wrong | 19:27 |
| lbt | can you confirm what ssu lr tells you | 19:28 |
| lbt | for mer-tools | 19:28 |
| lbt | it should be: mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/ | 19:28 |
| niceduck | mer-tools ... http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-tools:/devel/latest_armv7hl/ | 19:28 |
| lbt | that's wrong :) | 19:28 |
| lbt | su ssu rr mer-tools | 19:28 |
| niceduck | ah, ok | 19:28 |
| lbt | then ssu ar mer-tools | 19:28 |
| lbt | ssu was written by a very 'special' person so the usage is interesting | 19:28 |
| niceduck | will do | 19:28 |
| niceduck | hehe =) | 19:29 |
| lbt | it has the concept of 'enable' and 'disable' repos | 19:29 |
| lbt | it also has some built-in repos | 19:29 |
| niceduck | aye, like yum has | 19:29 |
| lbt | not all of them are used by default | 19:29 |
| faenil | lbt, I gave him the mer-tools devel repo, because ssu ar mer-tools wasn't working for him | 19:29 |
| lbt | so you'd expect to 'enable' a built in repo that's not in use... | 19:30 |
| lbt | but no, you add it ... | 19:30 |
| Quu | over 9000 | 19:30 |
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| lbt | faenil: that's really odd | 19:30 |
| javispedro | lbt: ssu er does not complain about non-existing repos | 19:30 |
| lbt | javispedro: I know, sweet isn't it :) | 19:30 |
| lbt | niceduck: just do "ssu ar mer-tools" ... ssu takes an undocumented form of ar which looks in builtins first | 19:31 |
| niceduck | that is not sweet at all =) | 19:31 |
| lbt | don't say such things! | 19:31 |
| niceduck | I meant that not compain of non-existet repo message | 19:32 |
| faenil | <faenil> okay so, tcpdump is in mer-tools | 19:32 |
| faenil | <faenil> which is a public repo | 19:32 |
| faenil | <faenil> niceduck, so, what is the problem with "ssu ar mer-tools" | 19:32 |
| faenil | <niceduck> ah, ok | 19:32 |
| faenil | <niceduck> perhaps reboot indeed is needed | 19:32 |
| faenil | <faenil> niceduck, not er, ar | 19:32 |
| faenil | <niceduck> It returns that "odd"" message, like all ssu commands | 19:32 |
| lbt | no, I know... | 19:32 |
| lbt | to be fair the odd error is probably coming from another tool | 19:32 |
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| faenil | sure, it's connman | 19:33 |
| lbt | niceduck: so doing "ssu ar mer-tools" then "ssu lr" should show mer-tools using ^^^ jolla.com url | 19:33 |
| javispedro | faenil: I suspect he also crashed connman as that message not only does not appear here, but connman does export GetProperties.. | 19:34 |
| niceduck | aye, moment | 19:34 |
| faenil | javispedro, sure, that's likely | 19:35 |
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| lbt | javispedro: we think it's related to connman changing AP or similar | 19:36 |
| lbt | more of a #mer level thing though | 19:36 |
| javispedro | every time he invokes the message? ;) | 19:36 |
| javispedro | *the program, I mean. | 19:36 |
| lbt | no connman gets into a state | 19:36 |
| lbt | mine does it too | 19:36 |
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| niceduck | HAHA, I din't press Y on original install message for tcpdump, so now going all over again | 19:41 |
| CraigA | my only complaint so far with this device | 19:44 |
| CraigA | is the battery life is terrible | 19:44 |
| * javispedro gives up on fmrx for today | 19:45 | |
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| Frye | CraigA, I keep hearing that about battery life, but when I compare it with my iPhone 5 it's similar on both | 19:45 |
| Waitee | CraigA: same + the lack of apps | 19:45 |
| CraigA | Frye I'm just comparing it to my N9 battery life | 19:46 |
| Frye | Before the first update I had to keep location turned off though | 19:46 |
| Frye | Yeah, iPhone 5 sucks do I dare to say what on battery life compared to my wifes N9 :D | 19:46 |
| CraigA | Waitee apps will come. and Android app availability curbs some of the want | 19:46 |
| CraigA | I'm also stuck on 2G until the LTE update comes out | 19:46 |
| Frye | But that seems to be the norm nowadays what comes to battery | 19:46 |
| Waitee | CraigA: yep and software updates will have some impact on battery life | 19:47 |
| CraigA | Frye unfortunately :/ | 19:47 |
| CraigA | Waitee agreed | 19:47 |
| Frye | But I hope there will be some improvements on battery later on | 19:47 |
| Frye | They did have to change the SoC chip and who knows what else last June | 19:47 |
| CraigA | I'm just lucky that my provider LTE runs on the same bands as DNA | 19:47 |
| Frye | So I bet that did not help with the optimization... | 19:47 |
| Waitee | and since we have TOH it's possible and fairly easy to get a bigger battery over time | 19:47 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | take of the other half and battery life might be better | 19:47 |
| CraigA | Waitee very good point | 19:48 |
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| Waitee | i want a 3d printer | 19:48 |
| Waitee | :3 | 19:48 |
| CraigA | me too | 19:48 |
| Frye | Waitee, me too | 19:48 |
| CraigA | hah | 19:48 |
| Pnuu | mtoo | 19:49 |
| Frye | Prolly Jolla should start selling those aswell on their store :D | 19:49 |
| CraigA | I might be the only person in my country with a Jolla, hard to say tho | 19:49 |
| Frye | As TOH's :D | 19:49 |
| Frye | Just plug in your jolla and print | 19:49 |
| Pnuu | jollator 3d | 19:49 |
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| lbt | CraigA: what country ? | 19:51 |
| CraigA | Canada | 19:51 |
| niceduck | lbt: it shows mer-tools ... https://releases.jolla.com/releases/1.0.1.12/mer-tools/builds/armv7hl/packages/ but yet pkcon install tcpdump | 19:51 |
| niceduck | Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find tcpdump | 19:51 |
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| Pnuu | niceduck: did you do pkcon refresh ? | 19:51 |
| lbt | ^^ | 19:51 |
| niceduck | I did | 19:52 |
| lbt | CraigA: :) | 19:52 |
| lbt | niceduck: do it again | 19:52 |
| niceduck | anyway, I have early wake-up on morning, this is not critical | 19:52 |
| Waitee | i really should start learning to use sailfishos sdk | 19:52 |
| lbt | :) | 19:52 |
| CraigA | lbt: it was a helluva lot easier getting the Jolla than getting the N9 though | 19:52 |
| niceduck | hmm, do what again ? | 19:52 |
| lbt | Waitee: it's easy | 19:52 |
| lbt | niceduck: refresh | 19:52 |
| Waitee | lbt: i've heard | 19:53 |
| lbt | CraigA: I didn't think we shipped there... well done :) | 19:53 |
| niceduck | pkcon refresh ? | 19:53 |
| lbt | yes | 19:53 |
| CraigA | they don't. I had to get it shipped to the UK and then forwarded to me | 19:53 |
| niceduck | goining | 19:53 |
| CraigA | still easier than getting the N9 though | 19:53 |
| CraigA | and as promised, I had my Jolla by Christmas :D | 19:53 |
| Waitee | :D | 19:54 |
| Waitee | got the limited edition toh too? | 19:54 |
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| CraigA | it didn't come with the packaging | 19:54 |
| niceduck | I would to rule jolla over iToy / M$phone as corporate rule, but I must get basics working =) | 19:54 |
| CraigA | and I told my aunt not to wait for it | 19:54 |
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| CraigA | cause I wanted the device asap :P I'll get it tho. When I do, I'll probably do the wireless charging hack with the LE TOH | 19:55 |
| Waitee | imho the other half concept as theme changer is quite stupid :D | 19:56 |
| CraigA | yeah, not my cup of tea | 19:56 |
| CraigA | i figure the theme changer is just to give it _some_ functionality on launch | 19:56 |
| Waitee | added stuff like wireless charging or hw keyboard is a nice thing | 19:56 |
| CraigA | so it isn't just a vaporware kinda thing | 19:57 |
| CraigA | i'm looking forward to a hw keyboard if one surfaces on TOH | 19:57 |
| Waitee | i think they overhyped toh | 19:57 |
| CraigA | I missed that most on my switch from the N900 to the N9 | 19:57 |
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| cvp | hello | 19:57 |
| Waitee | hi | 19:57 |
| niceduck | HW keyboard is must for serious corporate phone | 19:57 |
| CraigA | hey cvp | 19:58 |
| CraigA | i agree niceduck | 19:58 |
| Pnuu | niceduck: and how many such phones are currently available..? | 19:58 |
| Waitee | i never had a phone with hw qwerty | 19:58 |
| niceduck | Nokia Communicator and N900 | 19:59 |
| CraigA | the n900 was a dream at the time | 19:59 |
| Waitee | except for the usb connector | 19:59 |
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| CraigA | i used to love screwing around with TVs in sports bars | 19:59 |
| CraigA | with the IR port | 19:59 |
| Waitee | lol :D | 19:59 |
| Pnuu | niceduck: not really current phones :-P | 19:59 |
| niceduck | N900 was last phone I could actually do my work | 19:59 |
| FireFly | Pnuu: does the E7 count as "currently available"? | 20:00 |
| Waitee | htc desire Z was nice | 20:00 |
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| niceduck | E7 doesn't have qwerty keyboard, so it doens't coult | 20:01 |
| CraigA | niceduck same for me. I couldn't do anything on the N9 | 20:01 |
| Waitee | niceduck: it does | 20:01 |
| Waitee | n8 doesnt | 20:01 |
| CraigA | the n900 i used to vpn in to work, rdp into servers, reboot, etc. the n9 took longer to do that than driving to the office | 20:01 |
| niceduck | CraigA; excatly | 20:01 |
| Waitee | https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1poaFEy-LajvO-IX7XdyWpmyU5qbKGVDaxa2rermBKiF6-W-NQw | 20:01 |
| Waitee | that's e7 | 20:02 |
| Frye | Btw, has anyone set up openvpn on Jolla yet? | 20:02 |
| Pnuu | FireFly: is it still sold somewhere new? | 20:03 |
| FireFly | Probably not | 20:03 |
| cvp | http://www.amazon.de/Keymate-iPhone-4S-Bluetooth-Tastatur/dp/B004W4HVFC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1387742480&sr=8-3&keywords=Bluetooth+Tastatur+iphone | 20:03 |
| FireFly | niceduck: yes it does, I used one up until last week :P | 20:03 |
| cvp | buy this, kick the iphone case, and screw it with your other half... finish | 20:04 |
| Waitee | actually the biggest negative on jolla at the moment is that i cant use my camera with whatsapp :( | 20:04 |
| niceduck | lbt: second time ssu ar mer-tools; ssu lr ; pkcon install tcpdump = now it went again ok, and I finally got it installed | 20:04 |
| Frye | Hmm, there seems to be openvpn and vpnc available in the repos... | 20:04 |
| lbt | niceduck: good | 20:04 |
| cvp | waitee ... make a photo with your foto app, and dthan put it in whats app | 20:04 |
| lbt | Frye: yes indeed | 20:04 |
| FireFly | hmm | 20:04 |
| niceduck | lbt: THANK YOU ! | 20:04 |
| Frye | lbt, have you tested those? | 20:04 |
| Waitee | cvp: whatsapp doesnt find new pictures taken with the camera app | 20:05 |
| lbt | Frye: define tested | 20:05 |
| Waitee | i need to reboot jolla and sometimes even that won't help | 20:05 |
| Frye | Well installed & managed to get it connected to usable state :D | 20:05 |
| lbt | Frye: they're linux packages :) | 20:05 |
| CraigA | do you gents think it a wise assumption that the 2600/7 LTE band will be supported upon the LTE update? | 20:05 |
| Frye | I'm just wondering if I dare to install & try them out | 20:06 |
| niceduck | I did once reboot server via N9, while driving on 4AM ... it was pain ... | 20:06 |
| cvp | waitee i test iit now and it works !!!! | 20:06 |
| Waitee | weird | 20:06 |
| Frye | I mean holidays are coming and a reflash would not be easy :D | 20:06 |
| lbt | Frye: feel free - it's on my TODO list | 20:06 |
| Waitee | my whatsapp finds photos taken like 3 days ago | 20:06 |
| Waitee | but not for example yesterdays photos | 20:06 |
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| lbt | Frye: the main issue is probably accessing them if you're ssh'ing in ... but we have fingerterm :) | 20:07 |
| cvp | what i hate is, that email sending is not working, no swype keyboard and no apps like whats app what is ported to sailfish/mer | 20:07 |
| Frye | yeah | 20:07 |
| niceduck | I got tcpdump installed, YAY. to sleep now, tomorrow early awake to work. WILL debug MfE during holidays | 20:07 |
| Frye | and tbh I don't really need the vpnc | 20:07 |
| Frye | because when I need the vpn I need the fingerterm anyway | 20:07 |
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| Waitee | also the fingerterm keyboard is awful :D | 20:08 |
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| Frye | K, installing openvpn | 20:08 |
| Frye | let's hope for no smoke | 20:08 |
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| Frye | It IS working | 20:20 |
| Frye | I'm connected with openvpn | 20:20 |
| ibins | Frye: What did you do to achive this? | 20:20 |
| Frye | pkcon install openvpn | 20:21 |
| Frye | Set up config | 20:21 |
| Frye | and openvpn --config my.conf | 20:21 |
| Frye | Very basic and by no means automated | 20:21 |
| Frye | but the connection is open and I can access my server through vpn | 20:21 |
| CraigA | I'm going out to pick up a 64gb microsd | 20:21 |
| ibins | Frye: You activated some repos first? My pcmon just sits there and says "network status=online" | 20:22 |
| Frye | I have mer-tools repo also enabled | 20:22 |
| ibins | Frye: Ah! | 20:22 |
| lbt | Frye: good - I started a vpn app recently to do that | 20:23 |
| Frye | that was ssu ar mer-tools I think. Someone else most likely remembers this better | 20:23 |
| Frye | lbt nice | 20:23 |
| Frye | let me know if I can be of any help | 20:23 |
| lbt | Frye: I'm not sure we'll be allowed to add it to store - I'll ask | 20:23 |
| lbt | can't see any real reason why not though | 20:23 |
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| Frye | Well Meego OBS might be an option too | 20:24 |
| Frye | if store is not allowed :D | 20:24 |
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| Frye | Anyway yeah, I am now merrily checking through my backup server status and everything looks good. | 20:25 |
| lbt | Mer OBS ... we already have one there | 20:25 |
| Frye | on my JOLLA! | 20:25 |
| Frye | Ah | 20:25 |
| Frye | sorry I don't know OBS that well. | 20:25 |
| Frye | That alredy available is what I ment | 20:25 |
| lbt | np .. meego one died some time ago | 20:25 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10# | 20:25 |
| cvp | hope there will fix hugh bugs this month | 20:28 |
| Frye | Well I hope some bugfixes too, but I also hope they can have some holidays too. | 20:28 |
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| cvp | i dont think, that all worker are programmer | 20:29 |
| Frye | Well I believe everyone has had their hands full. And deserve a break over the holidays. Although I do miss some features :D | 20:30 |
| cvp | all have a way for his working. Think all Pre order package are sending... the bigest work is done | 20:30 |
| Frye | Anyway Mrs calling. So movie time it is | 20:30 |
| Frye | (with my vpn enabled Jolla) | 20:30 |
| lbt | *g* | 20:30 |
| Waitee | :D | 20:31 |
| shanttu | how to restart/kill alien dalvik? | 20:32 |
| nander | kill any android app? | 20:33 |
| nander | by swiping down? | 20:33 |
| nander | still not arrived. | 20:33 |
| nander | It has been travelling for 24 hours now | 20:33 |
| nander | fedex..... | 20:33 |
| nander | still no estimated arrival time, but it is still claimed it arrives tomorrow | 20:34 |
| Aard | shanttu: systemctl restart aliendalvik.service as root | 20:34 |
| shanttu | Aard, thanks | 20:35 |
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| Waitee | gotta try that | 20:39 |
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| Waitee | how do i change the root password? | 20:40 |
| cvp | hello peakki | 20:40 |
| cvp | passwd root | 20:41 |
| cvp | maybe | 20:41 |
| Waitee | only the administrator can change the password | 20:41 |
| Pnuu | Waitee: from the developer mode settings | 20:41 |
| Waitee | okay | 20:41 |
| Waitee | Pnuu: thanks | 20:42 |
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| Waitee | i can change the normal user password when accessed via ssh | 20:45 |
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| Waitee | but cant find an option to change root password | 20:47 |
| sremes | you can use devel-su to become root, and then change root's with passwd, I'd imagine | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su is the way in, though | 20:48 |
| cvp | the Music app doesnt show mp3 in sdcard. | 20:57 |
| cvp | so many bugs | 20:58 |
| Pnuu | is the card mounted? | 20:59 |
| cvp | yes, because i see in galarie my pictures what are saved on sdcard | 20:59 |
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| cvp | but i have the mp3s in other folders like /sdcard/music/top10/*.mp3 | 21:03 |
| Trizt | I hooked on my nokia handsfree from my N900, when playing mp3 they all were distorted, when I got a call, the jolla mp3 sound really fine. Du I unplug the hadsfree, then it plays it well too | 21:06 |
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| parasemic | i just realised the speaker on Jolla is surprisingly good. even far superior comparing to iPhone etc | 21:18 |
| nander | 25 hours to go from Charles de gaulle to ???? | 21:19 |
| nander | Doesn't fedex move on sunday? | 21:19 |
| Waitee | yeah it aint bad for a phone speaker | 21:19 |
| nander | A phone speaker is just for street thugs and some calls | 21:20 |
| nander | Not for music, videos, etc. ;) | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 speakers seem better to me. | 21:22 |
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| nander | the n900 was a bloody masterpiece.. | 21:22 |
| nander | Get over it ;) | 21:22 |
| nander | Once in every generation there is a chosen one.. | 21:23 |
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| Waitee | neo900 would be cool | 21:24 |
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| parasemic | nanader: and what makes you think im not a street thug? | 21:25 |
| parasemic | nander* | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | N810 speakers were even better imo, but the audio circuitry was pants | 21:25 |
| Waitee | parasemic: you are chatting on #jollamobile | 21:26 |
| parasemic | and? | 21:26 |
| Waitee | it makes you a bloody nerd and you know it :D | 21:26 |
| parasemic | can't a street thug be a closet nerd? | 21:26 |
| Waitee | no. | 21:26 |
| Waitee | x) | 21:26 |
| parasemic | goddamnit. | 21:26 |
| parasemic | my hopes and dreams, all crushed by a single comment on irc | 21:26 |
| Waitee | yeah i know | 21:27 |
| Waitee | i wanted to be a street thug once too :( | 21:27 |
| Waitee | but then i found about irssi | 21:27 |
| parasemic | tho i think everyone here will hate me for using windows | 21:28 |
| parasemic | feels a bit hipster | 21:28 |
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| Waitee | im using windows 8 | 21:29 |
| Waitee | nothing wrong with this except that it isnt linux | 21:29 |
| parasemic | well, how about the horrible gui? | 21:29 |
| nander | parasemic, you're using irc | 21:29 |
| nander | the only place where hashtags aren't totally ridiculous | 21:30 |
| Waitee | parasemic: well it's the same as on win7 | 21:30 |
| Waitee | the "metro ui" thing is just a bit too glued | 21:30 |
| parasemic | noshit? | 21:31 |
| parasemic | out of principle i will never install W8 | 21:31 |
| Waitee | :D | 21:31 |
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| Waitee | this runs smoother than win7 | 21:31 |
| Waitee | and everything opens faster | 21:31 |
| parasemic | doesnt matter. also there seems to be a bug with mouse tracking in win8 | 21:31 |
| Waitee | what kinda? | 21:32 |
| nander | it seems my n9 just gave up on me | 21:33 |
| nander | it seems it died | 21:33 |
| nander | if only I could remove the battery and put it back in again... | 21:34 |
| parasemic | my N9 has been dying for months now | 21:34 |
| nander | it' s a live.... | 21:34 |
| nander | but barely | 21:34 |
| parasemic | waitee: in gaming section i hear there are pretty bad issues with mouse lag | 21:35 |
| nander | there should be a fix for tht | 21:35 |
| Waitee | i've heard of problems with steelseries mice on win8.1 | 21:35 |
| parasemic | steelseries mice are horrible crap, tho | 21:35 |
| parasemic | excluding the new rival, from what i hear | 21:36 |
| nander | I have a g500 :D | 21:36 |
| Waitee | i've had sensei and ikari laser | 21:36 |
| Waitee | nothing to complain about | 21:36 |
| nander | logitech :D | 21:36 |
| parasemic | well, i doubt you have played on a very high level competitively, then :D | 21:36 |
| parasemic | also, laser mice are just crap | 21:36 |
| Waitee | logitech mice are nice but the customization software sucks | 21:36 |
| Waitee | parasemic: no i havent | 21:37 |
| nander | I use linux | 21:37 |
| nander | So I can't use that software anyway | 21:37 |
| nander | I use it as a desktop mouse | 21:37 |
| nander | Because I find it comfy | 21:37 |
| parasemic | i use zowie, it has no drivers.. | 21:37 |
| nander | And it has the logitech wheel ;) | 21:37 |
| nander | The flywheel :D | 21:37 |
| Waitee | the flywheel is cool | 21:37 |
| nander | it' s brilliant | 21:37 |
| nander | I don't want a mouse without that one anymore | 21:38 |
| nander | Well, as long as you don't buy razr ;) | 21:38 |
| Waitee | my keyboard is razer | 21:38 |
| Waitee | blackwidow ultimate | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know of a suitable screen protector? | 21:38 |
| nander | My keyboard is hp ;) | 21:38 |
| nander | HP very old :D | 21:38 |
| nander | 2002 or so | 21:38 |
| Waitee | SpeedEvil: dont | 21:38 |
| parasemic | i would never touch anything with a razer logo. except deathadder maybe | 21:38 |
| nander | deathadder sucks | 21:38 |
| nander | No dpi switch | 21:38 |
| Waitee | parasemic: i just love the cherry mx blue keys | 21:39 |
| nander | I'm gonna buy a better keyboard once I know which one | 21:39 |
| Waitee | though if i'd choose now i'd buy a ducky keyboard | 21:39 |
| parasemic | waitee: yeah but the overall build quality is horrible comparing to "real" mechanicals | 21:39 |
| parasemic | i was just saying i have fucky.. :D | 21:39 |
| parasemic | ducky* | 21:39 |
| nander | what prize are those things? | 21:39 |
| parasemic | this was around 160e | 21:39 |
| Waitee | parasemic: true but also the price is 100e and not 150e | 21:39 |
| nander | mine was free ;) | 21:40 |
| Waitee | my blackwidow was 100e | 21:40 |
| nander | Not really suited to gaming though | 21:40 |
| Waitee | i got a keytronic before | 21:40 |
| parasemic | 50e is small money when ducky can last 10 years and has far superior build quality overall | 21:40 |
| nander | it has a very old matrix style detection system ;) | 21:40 |
| Waitee | i just got it for the mx blue | 21:40 |
| parasemic | i prefer brown | 21:41 |
| pp_ | n900... usb... connector... *cough* | 21:41 |
| pp_ | but yep, loved mine :-) | 21:41 |
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| Waitee | my gf hates the blues | 21:42 |
| Waitee | says it's too loud | 21:42 |
| nander | it probably is ;) | 21:42 |
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| Waitee | nander: i still love it ;) | 21:43 |
| parasemic | waitee: if i cant be a street thug then you cant have a girlfriend! bloody nerd | 21:43 |
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| Waitee | damnit | 21:45 |
| Waitee | well it's almost a wife | 21:45 |
| Waitee | i've heard nerds can have wives | 21:45 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i'm not a nerd, though i have a wife (and 2 kids) | 21:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm a geek | 21:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | geek == highly intellectual person who's interested in techie stuff | 21:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nerd == loser with glasses that thinks he's smart, but is a PITA | 21:49 |
| AJAX555 | I still wonder where I belong to haha | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | geeks can be street thugs too | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or rather street thugs can be geeks too | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | >_> | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh well | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | night all | 21:50 |
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| Waitee | AL13N_lizzy: my bad, in finnish language theres no separate words for geek and nerd | 21:53 |
| AJAX555 | geeknerd! | 21:54 |
| Waitee | "nörtti" | 21:54 |
| nander | Finnish | 21:54 |
| nander | so | 21:54 |
| nander | gaaknard ;). | 21:54 |
| nander | Don't forget the random a's | 21:54 |
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| parasemic | goddamnit i hate the fact i have to go to work tomorrow -.- | 21:55 |
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| nander | me too.. | 21:55 |
| nander | And I have to be at home ;) | 21:55 |
| AJAX555 | no need to go anywhere \o/ | 21:56 |
| parasemic | btw, has anyone here tested how much does the removing ncf sticker actually help battery life? | 21:56 |
| celeron55 | i was thinking about testing that but haven't yet done it | 21:57 |
| Waitee | i thought the phone only scans the tag when you connect TOH | 21:57 |
| parasemic | well there seems to be a bug with it | 21:58 |
| parasemic | someone was talking about disconnecting TOH by terminal so you dont have to remove the sticker physically | 21:58 |
| celeron55 | started now: battery at 66%, removed TOH | 21:58 |
| celeron55 | i will know at morning 8) | 21:59 |
| celeron55 | )actually 65%) | 21:59 |
| celeron55 | (* | 21:59 |
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| parasemic | im off to bed, nights | 22:04 |
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| Waitee | me too | 22:08 |
| Waitee | night | 22:08 |
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| artemma | Maps keep showing distance in miles. Does anymody know how to switch to metric? Or does it get it from location? | 22:39 |
| ln- | from UI language, as far as i've heard | 22:40 |
| tbr | I think it's a l10n thing | 22:40 |
| tbr | and yes, that sucks | 22:41 |
| ln- | who wouldn't like miles | 22:41 |
| Quu | someone changed locales | 22:41 |
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| lbt | artemma: the maps 'units' is a known issue. It uses the locale but that's not always sensible. Eg using English whilst in EU you may want to see units in km | 23:28 |
| Frye | artemma, http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 23:30 |
| Frye | I have not tried this myself yet though | 23:30 |
| artemma | Frye, thx | 23:30 |
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| artemma | there were instructions for deploying to device from QtCreator somewhere, right? | 23:48 |
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| artemma | never mind, it looks like I figured it out in the wizards | 23:53 |
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