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| parasemic | guys! i was thinking | 00:12 |
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| parasemic | should someone start a thread in maemo talk about workarounds, fixes etc | 00:13 |
| special | uh oh. | 00:13 |
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| parasemic | as, at the moment you gotta go through epic threads to find some pieces of knowledge | 00:13 |
| parasemic | like, many people just don't know you can see whatsapp contacts by sending a new message etc | 00:14 |
| parasemic | would be cool to have a thread and 1st post updated with list of stuff | 00:14 |
| parasemic | damnit, ill do it | 00:15 |
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| restless_being | parasemic: also have a look on this: http://elinux.org/Jolla | 00:16 |
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| parasemic | oh cool, but should be on the forum too, or link should be widespread | 00:18 |
| restless_being | probably a forum thread would be more popular | 00:19 |
| parasemic | and, i kinda ment those "everyday problems" also | 00:20 |
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| parasemic | like how to do thing X when it might be kinda hidden in the UI behind weird swipe etc | 00:21 |
| parasemic | which make most "common" people have frustrating time with the phone | 00:21 |
| parasemic | and any smart tips etc | 00:22 |
| restless_being | sure. would be nice to have this all toghether | 00:23 |
| parasemic | if nobody else does it, ill do it tomorrow | 00:25 |
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| cvp | special ? | 00:27 |
| special | cvp: ? | 00:28 |
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| cvp | do you know how we can change the priotry from xmpp to 0 ? | 00:28 |
| special | interesting question | 00:29 |
| cvp | :) | 00:30 |
| special | it looks like it should be defaulting to 0 | 00:31 |
| cvp | ok | 00:34 |
| special | which is somewhat non-ideal, but.. priority in general is somewhat non-ideal | 00:34 |
| pdanek | camera in Jolla is covered by glass or plastic? | 00:35 |
| pdanek | or, protected, not covered | 00:35 |
| cvp | thanks for watching :) | 00:35 |
| cvp | fileman has no copy past / move function right ? | 00:36 |
| Kabouik_ | Don't think so cvp | 00:39 |
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| parasemic | it has no delete function, tho | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | pdanek: It feels like ass | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | glass | 00:49 |
| w00t | quoted for truth ;) | 00:50 |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: so you got yours then? | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:50 |
| w00t | good | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm at the middle of playing with my new vacuum pump and other stuff to get my AC installed though. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And have been concentrating on that for the recent past - what with the whole 'house at 10C' thing. | 00:51 |
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| w00t | ha | 00:52 |
| w00t | special calls me crazy for having a wood fire | 00:53 |
| w00t | we'll see who freezes to death first when the zombie apocalypse comes | 00:53 |
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| Kabouik_ | I'd kill for a wood fire w00t. | 00:55 |
| Kabouik_ | Perhaps I should kill you and take your house, simplest way. | 00:55 |
| special | w00t: I never even knew you could heat your house with AC until you mentioned it. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | special: that was me. | 00:56 |
| special | (he mentioned it long ago) | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | special: Here, it's the cheapest way of heating. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 00:56 |
| special | I'm used to having dedicated central heating, usually natural gas | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | special: You get AC units which output 5.7W per W of electricity. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | This is of the order of half the price of natural gas. | 00:57 |
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| special | natural gas is damn cheap in the US, we like our gas. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Under 1/3 of the cost of electricity per kWh? | 00:57 |
| special | it is the most economical home heating here, at least | 00:57 |
| special | not sure about the math exactly | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Do check these assumptions periodically. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Until fairly recently, the most commonly available ACs had a COP/EER of about 3 in normal conditions. | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, some of them are approaching 6 - they've halved in cost to run. | 00:59 |
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| special | it's also just what everyone does | 01:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I am disappointed with this winter. It keeps cycling around -1 and +1. It's very weird not having one or the other. Phse change effects? | 01:01 |
| planasb | russians gas is expensive as hell | 01:01 |
| Kabouik_ | Phse? | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | Phase. | 01:01 |
| Kabouik_ | You mean climate change effects? | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | No | 01:01 |
| w00t | ShadowJK: here it seems to be more like +10 - -2 which is a bit more irritating | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | As long as temp stays below 0C, temp vs energy consumption is fairly predictable and linear | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | But crossing 0, it seems kinda weird :) | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | Traditionally, when snow comes, we gather all the snow and pile it against the building walls as insulation. As long as temp stays freezing, the snow acts as very good insulation | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | But when it melts, which USUALLY only happens in spring, it acts to add building heating needs | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | This winter there have been 4-5 melt cycles which usually do not happen, which have made energy requirements peak :/ | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | On the plus side, the Mitsubishi Electric air/air heatpump ("AC") is operating in its comfort zone | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | On the downside, it demotivates inhabitants from using firewood | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | So I think this winter if it continues like this, will be net energy intensive | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I just need to uncrate mine, drag it around to the back of the house, drill a couple of holes, feed the insulated pipes through, and connect up my vacuum pump - leave it to dry off the system, then valve it all off and turn it on. | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | Drilling is a bitch | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | start with that | 01:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Naah - I can go through a vent. | 01:12 |
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| ShadowJK | mine was installed by a pro, and it did take all morning :) | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I've actually got most of the 'pro' tools now. | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | And I even helped him by routing the power through the house and drilling holes and retainers for power myself :) | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Which were considerably cheaper than getting a pro in. | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | Its a tradeoff, I guess | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Plus, I may want to re-site. | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | for me it was advantageous to pay the dude to get it done in 6h rather than doing it myself in god-knows how many hours | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | He even did a aesthetic match with the building :) | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | And apologized when he arrived "Yeah sorry, your house is painted with colour X, which is kinda weird rare and immensely popular at the same time as its manufactured from actual soil extracted in a specific location rather than a colour specification made by some big corp paint company, Im not sure hte outdoor unit cover will be okay since I had it painted with your region's earth pigments last night and they said it needs 2 days to set" | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | His "cover" is kinda cute. From a normal person's height, it looks like a box. Lean down, and it looks very airy :)) | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | We initially ordered the cover due to neighbour concerns | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | We had given advance notice to neighbour, that there would be apparatus which would make noise | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | Neighbour happend to come over on the day that it was being installed | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | "Oh, is that all the noise it makes?" | 01:26 |
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| ShadowJK | ... "The vaccuum pump is just a tool, once instaled, the noise will be more broadband and less loud than this" | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | hah | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 01:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Why are we in thsi channel | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | I just noticed. | 01:27 |
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| * ShadowJK apologizes to the channel :< | 01:29 | |
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| SpeedEvil | oops | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | well - I could cut out the back of the cherry OH and make a remote control panel out of it. | 01:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Well - yes | 01:35 |
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| ShadowJK | your unit does receive commands via IR | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | It's just a matter of finding the right IR modulation and the right codes | 01:36 |
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| ShadowJK | And then setting up a local unit that will receive the remote commands of your jolla | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | So that your place will be comfortably warm when you arrive | 01:37 |
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| ShadowJK | and siberia when you are not present | 01:37 |
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| covox | cool, unity engine games work pretty well in android mode | 02:32 |
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| nander | I think my phone got lost in the process at jolla | 04:50 |
| nander | There are 2 people with higher id's that have it shipped already | 04:51 |
| nander | mine is still in picking | 04:51 |
| nander | Has been since early on wednesday | 04:51 |
| nander | I think the process has stalled again | 04:51 |
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| Frye | Too eary morning to everyone. | 07:07 |
| DrainBamaged | Eary? | 07:09 |
| CoderCandy | Hi! | 07:14 |
| CoderCandy | Still in picking :( | 07:15 |
| CoderCandy | My guess is that I won't get it in time for Christmas Eve | 07:15 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks, Another one for the issues list! | 07:34 |
| msknight | Anyone dev here who can take it on board please? | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having my coffee and looking like a zombie | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | but i can listen | 07:35 |
| msknight | It is concerning the voicemail number. When I tell the phone the telephone number for my voicemail service ... Jolla puts an entry in "People" for that number. However, I don't actually dial that number to access my voicemail ... I have to dial a different number. | 07:36 |
| msknight | So my voicemail service is 447xxx xxxxxxx but I just dial 123. | 07:36 |
| msknight | How many coffee's have you had this morning? | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | not enough | 07:36 |
| msknight | LOL! | 07:36 |
| msknight | True story. I can empathise. | 07:37 |
| msknight | I had to make do with an energy tablet and a SlimFast. | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: so voicemail would be on the SIM, typically, wouldn't it | 07:37 |
| msknight | I'm putting on too much weight .. and the Christmas eating fest is upon us. There's a chocolate log in the cupboard and I've got to eat it all to myself. | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: have you seen it be anything else than 447xxx on other phones? | 07:38 |
| msknight | I think so ... but I'm not sure. The only thing I know at the moment is that the voicemail number I enter in the settings -> Apps -> Phone ... also appears in the "People" | 07:38 |
| msknight | On the other phones, voicemail has been a "press and hold" on "1" and I've programmed that to 123 myself. | 07:39 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a look | 07:39 | |
| msknight | The number behind the scenes for the phone to contact the provider for MWI, etc. is normally unseen by me and the provider sends SMS messages to set it up. | 07:39 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, provisioning and such.. | 07:39 |
| msknight | It doesn't help that Orange haven't got a clue about the Jolla ... but I'm keeping up the pressure :-) | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so voicemail contact is definately seeded from the apps -> phone place | 07:41 |
| msknight | I'm going to have an argument with them about the 30 second divert this morning :-) | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | do i dare to ask if you have a background in GSM/3G technology, btw? :P | 07:42 |
| msknight | At the moment, the only reason I know I have messages is because Orange also send an SMS. | 07:42 |
| msknight | No. I background in data networking, and I got thrust as technical lead on a cloud SIP/VoIP telephony project, so I'm drowning/swimming/bobbing. | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that explains | 07:42 |
| msknight | Yes... explains why I only have a little knowledge ... which makes me very dangerous :-D | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | so i think atm we don't have mms provisioning where vendor sends configurations, so everything is seeded from SIM card | 07:43 |
| msknight | What might be handy is the ability to override from the users perspective, in that case? | 07:43 |
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| msknight | The main thing I'll be able to bring to the project is end-"power"-user experience. | 07:45 |
| msknight | That's what I'm putting in my youtube videos, basically. | 07:45 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, alot of cli commands then? | 07:45 |
| msknight | Nope ... just heavy, heavy use! | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | so, just to understand: the voice call number on your provider is also '123', and you'd like to set that as the voicecall contact | 07:45 |
| Frye | Oh, did I write eary. It really IS too early for mee :D | 07:45 |
| Frye | I need more coffee | 07:46 |
| msknight | Wow! Everyone's on a coffee trip ;-) | 07:46 |
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| * AL13N_lizzy doesn't drink coffee | 07:46 | |
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| msknight | Well, my concern is this ... the phone needs the 447xxxxxx number to talk with the service provider to get stuff like MWI ... but when I need to place a call to get my voicemail, I have to dial 123 | 07:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it should be clear that i'm not finnish :-) | 07:47 |
| msknight | My concern is that if Sailfish uses the number in apps -> Phone for MWI, etc. ... and that is also the number that seeds to the "people" ... then I've got a bit of a problem ... one of them is going to be out of whack! | 07:47 |
| Pnuu | I am, but I've never tasted coffee | 07:47 |
| msknight | Don't worry AL13N_lizzy ... neither is the Jolla ... Finnish-ed, that is :-) | 07:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lame | 07:48 |
| msknight | I know ... but it isn't 8am yet | 07:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's not 9am here | 07:48 |
| msknight | and I have to wean myself off coffee again. | 07:48 |
| CoderCandy | msknight, it is! It's 08:48 AM! | 07:48 |
| msknight | Not here is ins't CoderCandy ! | 07:48 |
| msknight | "isn't" even. | 07:49 |
| CoderCandy | Well, what are you doing in the past then? | 07:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | timezones and DST should be abolished | 07:49 |
| msknight | I'm always behind. | 07:49 |
| * msknight looks to her rear | 07:49 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | that sentence could really be misinterpreted | 07:50 |
| Frye | I must be in front then. | 07:50 |
| Frye | 9:50 here | 07:50 |
| msknight | That was entirely the point :-D | 07:50 |
| Frye | Anyway I'm still not awake. Only up. | 07:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: you just didn't sync | 07:50 |
| msknight | And you still need coffee! Shame Froberg | 07:50 |
| msknight | Shame Frye | 07:50 |
| msknight | (apologise Froberg ) | 07:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyhow, at least i got to order | 07:50 |
| * msknight curses autocomplete | 07:50 | |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i wonder how many people started ordering since it opened | 07:51 |
| Frye | Autoincomplete. | 07:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i got a feeling it's huge | 07:51 |
| Frye | And autoincorrect. | 07:51 |
| Frye | Two so nice features. | 07:51 |
| msknight | (apoloGIES Froberg - my apologies, that is) | 07:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: that's what i was gonna say.... | 07:51 |
| msknight | order what ... since what opened? Starbucks? | 07:51 |
| * AL13N_lizzy looks distinctly at channel name to make a point | 07:52 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | some of us are speaking on topic :-) | 07:52 |
| msknight | Oh! It's open to the general public now! Cool. | 07:52 |
| msknight | I have many topics ... just don't ask me which one I'm speaking about at any one time. | 07:52 |
| msknight | The last one to my memory was coffee :-) | 07:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and that's gonna stay until you get some | 07:53 |
| msknight | Now THAT can be taken more than one way! | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: that does sound like a reasonable assumption that it may cause problems. so, my challenge right now is that our telephony team is on xmas vacation so i can't really query into those bits | 07:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | coffee that is... | 07:53 |
| msknight | No problem Stskeeps - so long as it is on the radar. | 07:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: any idea if that kind of stuff is configured in some text file? | 07:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for cli adjustment? | 07:54 |
| * msknight is trying to keep away from text file adjustment so that she can report on the non-techie customer side of things. | 07:54 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | this is for me :-) | 07:54 |
| petri | hi, does anybody know is it possible to do something similar to: "apt-get source -b somesoftware" on Sailfish? | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | well, for something for the next 4w :-S | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petri: yes | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh wait, source | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | no | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | petri: it's not, but what particular component are you interested in? | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there are no source repositories listed, plus packages are submitted binary | 07:55 |
| msknight | Right - I have shopping to buy and a mobile phone carrier to have an argument with. See you later! | 07:55 |
| petri | oh.. | 07:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | apps are submitted binary | 07:56 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | but, mer/nemo is opensource | 07:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petri: as Stskeeps said, what are you interested in | 07:56 |
| petri | I was interested in patching some software and recompiling the easy way.. | 07:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sailfishOS is only the very top level UI | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | petri: there's no such thing as recompiling in an easy manner in a mobile OS ;) you have a lot of build dependencies too | 07:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, anything but that is pretty much opensource and you can rebuild it (except apps) | 07:57 |
| petri | ..let's say I would like to improve the web browser | 07:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: doesn't mer have SRPMS ? | 07:57 |
| petri | how could I do that | 07:57 |
| petri | ? | 07:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petri: default web browser is a jolla app, iinm not open-source, so that's not possible atm | 07:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | imho | 07:58 |
| petri | ok | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so, just to understand how situation is at the moment: sailfish os image = sailfish ui (closed source, currently, may change in future) + nemo middleware (oss) + mer core (oss) + a hardware adaptation (typically closed source on most devices) | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so a vast majority of code is open source | 07:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | quite some apps are open source too | 07:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but there are some jolla apps | 07:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: do you guys rebuild mer and have srpms/spec files for that? or does mer has it's own srpms? what about nemo? | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: srpms aren't a particularly good format for rebuilding in OBS form | 08:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: how do you figure? | 08:00 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i'm a mageia contributor, we also have srpms and spec files | 08:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | rpm --rebuild (on a jolla dev) should work, right? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: been there, done that. in practice, it might not even live up to gpl requirements, because our source material is a git repo and a tag | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | that gets turned into a spec, tarball, etc | 08:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, ok | 08:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you have specific patched versions to keep everything working | 08:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i would like those git repositories be openened, (the ones that have no closed source components; and are from mer/nemo) | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: we pretty much use them 1:1 | 08:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that would help collaboration too | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: if somebody requests a source code DVD, they get files telling the exact sha's used | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | petri: http://gitweb.merproject.org http://github.com/nemomobile http://github.com/nemomobile-packages | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | (not extensive list) | 08:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | which points to a specific commit/tag to use | 08:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, i get it | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | forking is expensive | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | don't i know it | 08:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 08:03 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | back when Mageia forked from Mandriva, we gave a presentation on "why NOT to fork" | 08:04 |
| petri | Stskeeps: thanks | 08:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: still, for co-collaboration, it would be nice if we had access to the tools and ways of building packages (only the open source stuff of course), so that we can build in the same manner as you guys do | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: you do | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | build.merproject.org has sailfish targets | 08:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | on their obs? | 08:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | and mer platform sb2 exists | 08:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what about nemo? it uses the mer OBS too? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | it does | 08:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, that makes sense | 08:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: do you guys have a git of all packages in all tagged versions? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: it's a bit more abstract than that | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | but all tags are in a git repo | 08:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, you git clone specific tags from the upstream ones? | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | well, from our packaging repos, to be exact | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | nemo uses same method | 08:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, but what i mean is, how are you tracking what packages versions where in what versions of sailfishOS? | 08:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also via git? | 08:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | obs projects, but it' a bit abstract :) | 08:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | not something we should poke in then? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | it is a bit of a theoretical excersise :P | 08:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | but you can see how it's done in nemo's projects | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | in practice, if you want to contribute to sailfish's middleware and core, you contribute to mer/nemo | 08:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | and it'll make it's way in eventually | 08:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, so you mean that if people want to test rebuild for themselves they should base on nemo and not on sailfishos | 08:12 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | since it's practically the same thing | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | experiments are certainly easier on nemo, but small patching needs to build against the right targets | 08:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the only thing is that you likely don't have the latest versions, so to know what versions are used is the operative thing here... though the version of the package might be sufficient | 08:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: yes | 08:15 |
| petri | so assuming I want to recompile && install connman on my Jolla, I should follow this guide: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial ? | 08:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: this is really the usecase, to be able to add a small patch, rebuild and test locally | 08:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though i assume most people would want to try the latest version instead :-) | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | petri: in practice i'd suggest setting up sailfish sdk and use the build vm, it makes sure you have a local thing for building stuff with right targets | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | i need go for a while, have a 6 month old kiddo pulling my arm | 08:16 |
| petri | ok :) | 08:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hehe | 08:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's quite the feat | 08:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 6months old and already pulling arms | 08:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 08:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mine are 2 and 4 | 08:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm also watching them | 08:21 |
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| Trizt | how do you get rid of the download icons on the home screen? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | tap/hold+delete? | 08:28 |
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| petri | the reason why I would be interested in modifying connman is that it seems that turning on wifi (with no wifi networks nearby) from the Jolla settings increases the power consumption in the idle mode about 25% | 08:40 |
| Trizt | tap/hold don't seem to do anything at all, how long are you supposed to hold, more than a minute? | 08:40 |
| * Trizt will be away for some hours | 08:41 | |
| petri | I don't know is connman the right place to see in order to fix this..only my first guess | 08:41 |
| petri | it might be that connman periodically scans for wlans even when the phone is at sleep? | 08:42 |
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| tobiski | are the ogg files stored at /opt/alien/system/media/audio/ the ones that system uses? eg. low battery sound? | 08:43 |
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| petri | the increase is from 27 mW to 40 mW..small absolute numbers, but it is a big percentage | 08:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe it's like this, if a AP is far away, more power is probably used, so if there is none, the most power is used? perhaps if there are none, the power should be decreased and only increased if the people go to the wifi page or if they turn off and back on again | 08:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that might reduce power usage | 08:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: Aard: ^^ | 08:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, gtg | 08:55 |
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| petri | I would suspect that the device is periodically scanning for wlans because we could see clear spikes in the power consumption in the Monsoon power meter output | 09:00 |
| till | and does it need to transmit at all for scanning? | 09:10 |
| petri | ..of course this is more like a feature and not a bug | 09:12 |
| petri | but personally I would like the scanning to stop whenever the prone goes to sleep | 09:13 |
| petri | phone | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | petri: can you try to verify if it's actually in full suspend through dmesg? | 09:13 |
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| petri | don't have the monsoon around now during the holidays..but maybe I can try to check the dmesg blindly and assume the phone goes to same power state as during the measurements :) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:17 |
| petri | for samsung gs4 the corresponding values were 29.5 mW (wifi off)and 34 mW (wifi on) | 09:17 |
| petri | so the increase on jolla is a bit higher | 09:18 |
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| Stskeeps | petri: how did you measure, out of curiousity? | 09:22 |
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| petri | Stskeeps: using the monsoon http://www.msoon.com/LabEquipment/PowerMonitor/ | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | petri: ah | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm a bit surprised scanning is happening, because, connman should be quite dead in that state | 09:24 |
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| petri | of course the measurement should be repeated with other devices | 09:26 |
| petri | but this one was quite clean | 09:26 |
| petri | nothing special installed etc.. | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:27 |
| petri | ..we'll get back to this after the holidays | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense, not much i can do right this minute anyway | 09:28 |
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| petri | ..we are doing this at University of Helsinki, in case you wonder why we have this kind of measurement hw | 09:31 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 09:38 |
| Venemo_N9 | how long is my package supposed to be in picking? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N9: i'm at 3555 and mine got tendered to fedex yesterday | 09:39 |
| Venemo_N9 | Stskeeps, so can I assume they'll send it on monday? | 09:40 |
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| Matoking | Hey | 09:50 |
| Matoking | Anyone else who has stuck pixels? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | Matoking: dead pixels, and how many? | 09:51 |
| Matoking | Three at one point, two now | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:51 |
| Matoking | One appears to be a shade of blue, other seems to be white | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | Matoking: if you have something like that it's probably worth taking some photos / pointers and send to care@, but dead pixels of very small amount is sadly typical on some lcds | 09:52 |
| Matoking | It's bearable and since they are stuck pixels instead of dead ones they may disappear over time | 09:52 |
| Matoking | And the blue one isn't that visible most of the time | 09:53 |
| Matoking | Wait | 09:53 |
| Matoking | The white one seems to disappear in certain situations | 09:54 |
| Matoking | When I swipe from the top | 09:54 |
| Matoking | And the screen starts to go black, it appears at one point | 09:54 |
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| Matoking | But yeah, it's not too bad | 09:55 |
| Matoking | I just hope it doesn't get any worse | 09:55 |
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| Andy80 | 'morning | 10:08 |
| peakki | hi | 10:09 |
| Andy80 | a newbie question: in Contacts (People), when you edit a contact... how do you change a phone number? I can't find a way to edit or delete a single phone number :\ | 10:09 |
| Tofe | Andy80: just click on the phone number ? | 10:10 |
| Andy80 | Tofe, it doesn't do anything | 10:11 |
| Tofe | and if I remember well long press should bring you a menu | 10:11 |
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| Tofe | (don't have the phone by my side right now) | 10:11 |
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| AJAX555 | just click on contact name, them pull down and select edit? | 10:12 |
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| Andy80 | it doesn't work | 10:12 |
| Andy80 | I'm in the edit mode | 10:13 |
| AJAX555 | oh? | 10:13 |
| Andy80 | I just can modify the name | 10:13 |
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| Andy80 | not the number | 10:13 |
| Andy80 | and even long pressing the number doesn't do anything | 10:13 |
| AJAX555 | so, are you in a view where you can call and send messages? | 10:14 |
| AJAX555 | and where it shows number | 10:14 |
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| Tofe | Nota Bene for Jolla: a small user documentation about the basic usage of the phone (contacts, sms, calls, gallery, photo) would be a nice thing to have | 10:15 |
| Andy80 | no | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: did you see our instruction videos? | 10:15 |
| Tofe | weeeeeeell | 10:15 |
| Tofe | no :) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: http://www.youtube.com/user/jollaofficial/videos and http://jolla.com/guide/ | 10:15 |
| AJAX555 | odd, because I can edit it.. | 10:15 |
| Andy80 | AJAX555, once in that view, I pull down the menu and I select "Edit", Then in the next screen I can only modify the name, add a number, but NOT modify an existing number | 10:15 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: ok, my fault :) But then maybe it would be a good idea to put some of them in the phone ? The user could delete it if he doesn't want them anymore | 10:16 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder if developer mode can block it.. | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: they came a bit later than the system image, yeah | 10:17 |
| Andy80 | AJAX555, you have dev mode enabled? | 10:17 |
| AJAX555 | no, I dont | 10:17 |
| Tofe | smokex: you see, there some users that still didn't enable that mode ! :p | 10:18 |
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| Andy80 | it looks like a bug then | 10:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | on ebay, 2 jolla's are now on $610 == €446 | 10:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the other one is still at 0 bids/$500 | 10:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: for new users these videos/guide link is more important than existing users, perhaps update could adjust the wizard? allthough the image is likely still the old one | 10:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | perhaps after update an additional wizard? but i'm not too certain if people would actually want that | 10:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe just an extra link to guides or something could happen... | 10:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | like, as an app, or something | 10:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and also the videos | 10:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh well | 10:27 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | Hey everyone:) Is there a way to get virtual keyboard in landscape mode i.e. when writing a text message? | 10:52 |
| peakki | noup, not yet | 10:52 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | bummer:( Its kinda time consumming typing with keyboard in portrait | 10:53 |
| valdur55 | is keyboard in portatit mode and window is landscape? | 10:53 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | even the window doesnt shift | 10:54 |
| valdur55 | But what about Wifi password dialog? | 10:56 |
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| peakki | Venemo: what about wifi? | 11:05 |
| Venemo | peakki: what wifi? | 11:06 |
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| peakki | Venemo: sorry, wrong person | 11:11 |
| peakki | valdur55: what about wifi? | 11:11 |
| Venemo | ah, ok | 11:11 |
| valdur55 | Dialog, where you type wifi password. | 11:11 |
| peakki | valdur55: it is only in portrait. checked that | 11:12 |
| valdur55 | Sure? That is interesting. | 11:14 |
| Venemo | btw, fedex sux | 11:16 |
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| valdur55 | Is there any landscape apps? | 11:17 |
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| valdur55 | What about fingerterm? | 11:17 |
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| Venemo | valdur55: my app is landscape | 11:18 |
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| valdur55 | Venemo: does i use rotation? | 11:22 |
| Venemo | valdur55: no, it's fixed at landscape | 11:23 |
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| valdur55 | ok. is fingerterm rotation forking? | 11:24 |
| valdur55 | (terminal app) | 11:24 |
| kontio | yes it is | 11:25 |
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| valdur55 | ok. :) | 11:26 |
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| Trizt | can't get rid of "android app" notifications icons and maximum volume sees to be too low when out in a x-mas shopping to hear that someone is calling | 11:39 |
| Venemo | fedex website says my package was picked up yesterday, and yet, they estimate it to arrive on 30th december. | 11:40 |
| Venemo | how awful is that | 11:40 |
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| Trizt | yeah, I feel for your | 11:52 |
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| Venemo | I don't understand how they can call this priority shipping | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: I feel your pain. | 11:58 |
| * SpeedEvil plays with his phone. | 11:58 | |
| Andy80 | you know what could be useful in Messages? A countdown 160-->0 or simply a char counter when you're sending SMS | 12:00 |
| Andy80 | not a big problem for me because I've unlimited texts, but some countries still pay 15 cent / sms | 12:01 |
| Andy80 | and if you don't notice you wrote 161 chars for example, you pay 30 cent for the sms etc.. | 12:01 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, they call 10 days priority?! ouch... | 12:02 |
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| Trizt | How do you remove a android download notification icon from the home screen? | 12:04 |
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| VDVsx_ | special, ^ | 12:09 |
| VDVsx_ | Trizt, does not go away with clean notifications ? | 12:10 |
| Trizt | how do you do that? | 12:10 |
| VDVsx_ | Trizt, via the pulley menu in the events view, swipe from the bottom edge of the screen to activate events view | 12:11 |
| VDVsx_ | then there you have clear notifications in the pulley menu | 12:11 |
| VDVsx_ | Trizt, in case you didn't find it, here is a video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLOQTO8Q4Os&feature=c4-overview&list=UUgK45xp5j9vJMJ3odffESjA | 12:13 |
| Trizt | thanks, that worked | 12:14 |
| Trizt | but skyoe tells me it's offline | 12:14 |
| Trizt | skyoe = skype | 12:15 |
| Trizt | anyone one got skype from maemo to work on jolla? | 12:15 |
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| Trizt | and I hate that the myriad alien includes all android apps running, so clicking back on one app till it's exited, it kills the whole myriad app and those killing all the other android apps :( | 12:20 |
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| Matoking | @Trizt The way I'd like to see it is that the currently running Android app has its content displayed on the cover, whereas other Android apps that are open have their application icon visible on the cover | 12:24 |
| Matoking | Then again I have no idea how Myriad Alien works :P | 12:24 |
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| Trizt | I wish each android app was run as it's own thread, killing one wouldn't kill another and it should be possible to run them in background too | 12:25 |
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| Trizt | Oh, yesterday I synced over my contacts and calendar from the n900, now all entries begins 23:00 and end 01:00 next day, say someone has their birthday today, then it marks today and tomorrow as the persons birthday and no visible way to fix it | 12:27 |
| Trizt | and the ambient thing, dark red with black font, not a good combination. | 12:28 |
| Venemo | Andy80: I'm not sure how dare they call it priority | 12:28 |
| Trizt | should be possible to adjust things manually | 12:28 |
| Venemo | in any way, do you think it's any use to call fedex on the phone and shout at them? | 12:29 |
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| Trizt | Venemo: they prioritize their x-mas holiday, that's how it's priority. I had kind of the same problem with my N900 promised to be delivered before x-mas too, but UPS in sweden don't work on x-mas eve and the danish UPS don't drive over to sweden, so was stuck and had to wait till after new year | 12:31 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, I don't know.... anyway they also did something wrong to me with this shipment. Even if I specified my full name (including the company name like (Company) ) they delivered the package using only the company name on the label. So when I received the package nobody told me and I had to ask to other colleagues if FedEx dlivered something. | 12:31 |
| Trizt | Venemo: won't change the fact, but you may feel better after screamed at the for a while | 12:31 |
| Venemo | :D | 12:31 |
| Venemo | well, maybe I can pick it up in person in Budapest instead of waiting for them to deliver it to my home village | 12:32 |
| Trizt | Andy80: you had honest colleagues or one of them have a Jolla ? ;) | 12:32 |
| Trizt | Venemo: maybe, if the staff who answers the phone can contact the staff working with deliveries | 12:33 |
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| Andy80 | Trizt, I was the only one waiting a pckage from Vantaa (FI), I had the delivered email notification and (most sad part) none of my colleagues cares about Jolla. | 12:33 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo, if I could be in Budapest, probably Jolla would be the last of my thoughts :D | 12:35 |
| Venemo | Andy80: what do you mean? | 12:35 |
| Venemo | Andy80: I actually live here :P | 12:36 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, more interesting things :D (aka = cheap beer :P ) | 12:36 |
| Venemo | yes, there's plenty of that! | 12:36 |
| Andy80 | (I don't want to sound too OT :D ) | 12:36 |
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| Venemo | I don't think anyone (especially the Finns) would regard cheep beer as OT | 12:36 |
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| Venemo | s/cheep/cheap | 12:36 |
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| Pnuu | mmm, beer | 12:40 |
| hene- | quick question about n9: what is the best way to empty/clear phone for selling? just factory resetting? | 12:42 |
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| hene- | ah, there is "Empty device" option :) | 12:45 |
| Jope | or use the flasher and --erase-user-data=secure when flashing | 12:51 |
| hene- | yep, just found this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 | 12:51 |
| Jope | k | 12:52 |
| hene- | but this phone is going to my brother so I think "Empty device" is enough :) | 12:52 |
| Jope | prolly yes | 12:52 |
| Jope | it really takes a lng time too | 12:53 |
| hene- | okey :) | 12:57 |
| hene- | sad too se N9 go.. but | 12:57 |
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| AJAX555 | never had n9, but I bet it would have been awesome | 13:00 |
| Jope | it was | 13:00 |
| Jope | but time kept on going and te n9 stopped advancing | 13:01 |
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| Kondou | Can one run multiple android apps at the same time with sailfish's compatibility layer? I've been tinkering around a bit and can't anymore, not sure wether I could before. | 13:11 |
| peakki | hene-: the N9 is awesome. too bad that jolla isn't ready enough out of the box | 13:12 |
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| Raim | Kondou: they keep running but do not get their own cover on the home screen | 13:17 |
| Kondou | Raim: ah, thanks | 13:19 |
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| spider-mario | Matoking : have you tried playing one of those videos that stimulate pixels? | 13:39 |
| mfulz | anyone managed some tweaks on jolla mobile to increase battery time? | 13:40 |
| mfulz | Are there any plans for that? | 13:40 |
| Matoking | @spider-mario I've played Super Hexagon | 13:40 |
| spider-mario | :D | 13:40 |
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| Matoking | Can be bought from Humble Store if anyone's asking | 13:41 |
| Matoking | They have an Android app that allows you to download and install the games you bought, so you don't need Google Play | 13:41 |
| Pnuu | mfulz: there are updates coming from jolla regarding power saving | 13:41 |
| mfulz | any approx timeline about that? | 13:42 |
| Pnuu | haven't heard | 13:42 |
| mfulz | this is really the only real showstopper for me - it's not even managing a whole day :-/ | 13:42 |
| Pnuu | my understanding is, that there's virtually no power saving features now | 13:43 |
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| mfulz | ah great there is a high possibility to get it heavily increased :D | 13:44 |
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| biertie | Hello, I have a small problem with my jolla phone: the on screen keyboard appears without an obvious reason in the browser, and the settings menu | 13:46 |
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| biertie | and I can't find how to minimize the keyboard again :> | 13:46 |
| biertie | which pretty much means I can't do a thing, cause the menu options are beneath the keyboard | 13:46 |
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| mfulz | if I have it open somewhere I just need to tap in the window to get it closed | 13:49 |
| mfulz | of course not into some input field :) | 13:49 |
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| biertie | mfulz: that doesn't really seem to work :( | 13:50 |
| biertie | I guess I'll have to reboot. | 13:51 |
| biertie | and try to find out what triggers this behaviour so I can make a bug report | 13:51 |
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| Quu | biertie: "swipe" down from the keyboard | 14:08 |
| Quu | it minimizes it | 14:08 |
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| nander | Hi | 14:11 |
| nander | still just in picking.. | 14:12 |
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| spider-mario | those who have received their phone: for how long was your order status “in picking”? | 15:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | spider-mario: I don't know, as I diddn't bother to check. | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | spider-mario: if you're in non-FI, you might want to check the fedex reference number search | 15:09 |
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| mfulz | spider-mario: It was ordered and then I just recieved the mail about that the issues with delivering - I asked then at care about timelines and if I could expect the phone still in december | 15:10 |
| mfulz | An hour later they just sent it over :) | 15:10 |
| mfulz | took one day from finnland to germany | 15:10 |
| mfulz | the exclusive other half is still not shipped till now | 15:10 |
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| Venemo | mfulz: at least in your case fedex priority shipping is priority shipping. for me they estimate the delivery by 30th | 15:14 |
| mfulz | ah ok | 15:14 |
| mfulz | yep for me it was priority | 15:14 |
| mfulz | and really fast - was totally suprised about it | 15:14 |
| spider-mario | Venemo : at least you have an estimate | 15:15 |
| Venemo | well, this is priority too - at least they say this on their website | 15:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | lost my Jolla yesterday on a Party.... | 15:23 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: srsly? | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Morpog_PC: ow | 15:24 |
| Morpog_PC | was totally sad whole day, till a few minutes ago a friend of me called me, that he found it there but couldn't find me anymore :D | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Morpog_PC: woo | 15:24 |
| Morpog_PC | so lucky :D | 15:24 |
| Morpog_PC | now waiting for the friend who brings it to me when he picks up his car :) | 15:25 |
| Morpog_PC | Hopefully it has no scratches.... | 15:25 |
| dontseethepoint | srsly? 399e for adreno 305? i don't see the point. since its all linux and open source. would be trivial for someone to get it running on n5 which is adreno 330 for the same price | 15:27 |
| ibins | The car or the phone? Must have been a hell of a party then :-) | 15:28 |
| xcv_ | hi everybody | 15:29 |
| Pnuu | dontseethepoint: chop chop, on with it then ;-) | 15:29 |
| xcv_ | I have some questions about how close the Jolla is going to be to a laptop with a common desktop distro | 15:29 |
| xcv_ | this is the appropriate channel, right? | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | dontseethepoint: you're free to have your opinions - see it the other way, you're helping finance alternatives to android. but, you're likely not going to be convinced anyhow, so not going to try to sell | 15:29 |
| dontseethepoint | Pnuu: i don't want to, crap build quality | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: yes - it's a gnu basesystem but it doesn't share same large package repositories | 15:30 |
| dontseethepoint | and crap battery life | 15:30 |
| xcv_ | I've been waiting for a phone I can update with zypper dup and install "apps" with rpm -i | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: it has systemd, qt5, wayland, rpm | 15:30 |
| xcv_ | I don't really like appstores trying to sell everything to me | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: you're in luck then, but dup doesn't always do what you want | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:30 |
| xcv_ | I'm really happy with common repos | 15:30 |
| xcv_ | yeah, I live to the max :P | 15:31 |
| dontseethepoint | Stskeeps: also i hate android, so i'd never finance it | 15:31 |
| xcv_ | is it possible to get root access OOTB, zypper in git/ssh/rsync and play around with my server for example? | 15:31 |
| dontseethepoint | but seriously.. this isn't about financing ... adreno 305 == 399e... madness | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: git is preinstalled, ssh/rsync comes with developer mode | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | dontseethepoint: i think you're probably barking up the wrong tree | 15:32 |
| dontseethepoint | ok | 15:32 |
| xcv_ | is developer mode easy to enable? root access ootb? | 15:32 |
| xcv_ | Stskeeps: forgot to quote, I'm not used to IRC | 15:32 |
| Pnuu | xcv_: yes | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: click, that it may void your warranty, full root access | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | (note the 'may') | 15:32 |
| xcv_ | wonderful | 15:32 |
| xcv_ | this is one of the reasons why I still don't have an smartphone | 15:33 |
| xcv_ | everybody locks them down terribly | 15:33 |
| xcv_ | are configurations in dotfiles as well? | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | mostly, some gconf | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 for details on boot process etc | 15:34 |
| xcv_ | Stskeeps: wow, this is is going to be a good chrismas buy then | 15:35 |
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| xcv_ | Stskeeps: just one last question and I'm done: what exactly is non-free software in the default bundle and is it possible to change? | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | xcv_: sailfishos image is composed of: sailfishos UI (closed source at the moment), nemo middleware (open source), mer core (open source), hardware adaptation (closed source). if you want to opt for replacing all the sailfishos apps or ui with something else you can, at potential loss of functionality | 15:37 |
| teve | fingerterm hangs quite often when i open links from url grabber, known bug? | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptation is just generally a murky area and i would recommend supporting free software in a different part, to improve the OSS offering on a stable hw adaptation | 15:38 |
| xcv_ | Stskeeps: yes, hardware is a bad zone nowadays | 15:39 |
| xcv_ | Stskeeps: thank you for your patience, I'll probably buy one in few days | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | er, and one more bit: android compatibility and exchange support is closed source | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | i should really make a graph of this stuff at some point | 15:40 |
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| xcv_ | Stskeeps: no problem, I don't mind about android applications so far | 15:43 |
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| Turski | teve: fingerterm is from nemomobile project, you can report bugs there | 15:55 |
| Turski | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=fingerterm | 15:55 |
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| Turski | (or you can fix it and push the patch) | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | is there a way to tell sailfish to ignore the .12 -> .10 update | 16:04 |
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| Yaniel | it does not even seem to want to refresh | 16:04 |
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| artemma | has anybody tried fetching from post office in Finland instead of home delivery? | 16:05 |
| artemma | just got "shipped" message and posti.fi page tells "item is ready for pickup" | 16:05 |
| Turski | artemma: ? | 16:06 |
| Turski | artemma: isn't that how they deliver it? | 16:06 |
| artemma | uhm.. message tells "home delivery" | 16:06 |
| Turski | ah... well that apparently is not home delivery | 16:06 |
| artemma | and I think I remember "courier something" being mentioned.. or maybe it was for international.. | 16:07 |
| artemma | are there people who received phone in finland? | 16:07 |
| artemma | how did it go? | 16:07 |
| flux | I don't know of people who would have received it as home delivery at Finland | 16:07 |
| artemma | with visits to post office? | 16:07 |
| Yaniel | artemma: I picked it up at the post office | 16:07 |
| flux | I visited the PO | 16:07 |
| Turski | i think FedEx uses itella for final delivery in finland | 16:07 |
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| Turski | no idea where's the warehouse of Jolla | 16:08 |
| artemma | okay, thx, then flashlight app tuning for daylight might start tomorrow :) | 16:08 |
| flux | I think Jolla does not have a warehouse | 16:09 |
| artemma | maybe it's time to start search for instructions for deploying to device from Qt Creator :) | 16:09 |
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| Turski | artemma: i think it's quite well explained in the SDK | 16:11 |
| Turski | just been too lazy to start my own experimenting with SDK... | 16:11 |
| artemma | good. I wasn't really reading that yet, just remember some threads in mailing list requesting help | 16:11 |
| xcv_ | is it possible to order extra batteries with the jolla? | 16:13 |
| Morpog_PC | YAY, got my Jolla in my hands again :D Not a single scratch, phew | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Morpog_PC: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Magic-Phone-Finder/380758166805?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Kitchen_Steamers_Cookers_PP&var=&hash=item58a6f48d15 | 16:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol SpeedEvil | 16:24 |
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| Yaniel | so... the phantom update? | 16:27 |
| Yaniel | anything to do about that yet? | 16:27 |
| CoderCandy | YE<there were a shitload of "E"s here which I removed in order to not spam>S! | 16:28 |
| CoderCandy | MY JOLLA IS SHIPPED! | 16:28 |
| CoderCandy | apparently it shipped yesterday, around 11:22 PM | 16:30 |
| CoderCandy | Localtime | 16:30 |
| Morpog_PC | Yaniel, no phantom update here | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | .12 -> .10 | 16:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | nope | 16:32 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: update, then update again | 16:32 |
| Pnuu | worked for me | 16:32 |
| Morpog_PC | i'm on 12 and get no update offered | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | but then I am back to ..10? | 16:33 |
| Pnuu | yup | 16:33 |
| Yaniel | or is the update just a no-op | 16:33 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess update to 10, update to 12 again, done | 16:34 |
| Pnuu | Yaniel: I "updated" to .10 from .12, then there was a new update to .12 | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | and then nothing? | 16:34 |
| Pnuu | yes, after that now more updates | 16:35 |
| Pnuu | no | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | okay | 16:35 |
| micko_ | Pnuu: are you sure it updated it? I noticed that putting the upgrade on background while it's downloading, does not perform the update | 16:35 |
| xcv_ | anyone? | 16:36 |
| Pnuu | micko_: device info showed .10 after the phantom update | 16:36 |
| micko_ | I had the same before .10 (don't remember the number anymore) I started the upgrade and put it in the background. When I looked back, it offered the same upgrade again | 16:38 |
| micko_ | the phone didn't reboot or anything. it was like no upgrade was done. I thought it was a feature | 16:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | xcv_, not yet | 16:47 |
| xcv_ | Morpog_PC: are you going to offer them at some point? I'd like some replacement battery if mine dies when I'm outside | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | xcv_, i'm not a Jolla employe, but I hope so. Would be kinda pointless to offer exchangeable battery but no option to buy the,. | 16:50 |
| xcv_ | Morpog_PC: oh, sorry for the confusion | 16:51 |
| Morpog_PC | Other colors for covers also aren't available to buy yet | 16:51 |
| xcv_ | Yes, that's what I thought, I just wanted to confirm it | 16:51 |
| xcv_ | True | 16:51 |
| Morpog_PC | cybette, could maybe know? | 16:52 |
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| CoderCandy | ... I hate having a tracking number | 16:54 |
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| CoderCandy | OH | 16:55 |
| CoderCandy | I have an estimated delivery now | 16:55 |
| CoderCandy | 6PM on monday | 16:55 |
| parasemic | anyone else has issues with doubletapping the screen to wake up? | 16:55 |
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| Morpog_PC | nope | 16:59 |
| cybette | xcv_, Morpog_PC: we're working on it, but no ETA yet | 17:00 |
| Morpog_PC | thx for reply :D | 17:01 |
| xcv_ | cybette, Morpog_PC: thanks | 17:01 |
| parasemic | dunno if my device is broken, doubletapping keeps on getting unconcistent, now i even have to doubletap lik 4 times before the device wakes up | 17:01 |
| parasemic | like* | 17:01 |
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| dist | Anyone know why pkcon refresh would say: Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) | 17:19 |
| Turski | dist: because of a bug... | 17:22 |
| Morpog_PC | dist what does "ssu domain" say? | 17:22 |
| Turski | i thought 1.0.1.12 fixed that... | 17:22 |
| Tofe | parasemic: sometimes, when I double-tap, the screen wakes up but nothing shows up. However, the UI seems to be there (I can here the pulley menu clicking, for example). If I shut it down and double-tap again, it's fine. | 17:22 |
| dist | Morpog_PC: jolla | 17:23 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, so messed up | 17:23 |
| Morpog_PC | ssu domain sales | 17:23 |
| dist | Morpog_PC: sales might be the right one, how the hell does that end up there? | 17:23 |
| parasemic | Tofe: in my case it just doesn't respond.. | 17:23 |
| Turski | dist: aha... you touched developer updates | 17:23 |
| dist | Ah, well. I didn't but a friend did =D | 17:23 |
| dist | oh well. | 17:23 |
| Tofe | parasemic: ah, that didn't happen to me. | 17:23 |
| dist | Morpog_PC, Turski: thanks! | 17:24 |
| parasemic | Weird thing is, there is no problem with the sensitivity of the screen otherwise and mostly it opens normally with 1 doubletap. Guess it could be a bug and not a physical problem. | 17:25 |
| peakki | Tofe: i've encountered the same a few times | 17:26 |
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| entil | hi guys | 17:36 |
| entil | got my jolla finally, and it seems to have trouble importing my contacts | 17:36 |
| entil | it's a vcf with all the contacts, but it imports only the first one | 17:36 |
| entil | I exported them from the n900 and put them together, so is there something about the vcf format I should know or is this a bug in the people app? | 17:37 |
| w00t | entil: can you email me the vcf so I can take a look? (robin.burchell@jolla.com) | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC | w00t, is there a way to delete all contacts? By terminal maybe? | 17:38 |
| entil | is it ok I if censor the names and numbers? run it through sed like? | 17:38 |
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| w00t | entil: sure, but please make sure the import still fails after you're done :-) | 17:39 |
| entil | it's not a big secret and you apparently work for jolla so it should be fine but .. you know | 17:39 |
| entil | ok gimme a sec and I'll check it out! | 17:39 |
| w00t | Morpog_PC: you can remove the database, which would do it (though you'd also want to restart voicecall and anything else touching contact data as they'd get quite confused) | 17:39 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmm | 17:40 |
| Morpog_PC | or I'll just delete them one by one... | 17:40 |
| entil | w00t: actually I'll go on a limb and mail you | 17:41 |
| entil | w00t: looks like a mess to do anything with sed | 17:41 |
| w00t | entil: thanks - I promise to not look at anything past the actual problem, don't worry :) | 17:41 |
| entil | w00t: I really appreciate it :) | 17:42 |
| entil | I tried sending that file into the .vault/whatever/all.vcf file | 17:42 |
| entil | I didn't really understand it, though, because it contained two contacts I'd tried to import from single files | 17:42 |
| parasemic | w00t what do you think about my device starting to not wake up with doubletappig the screen? | 17:42 |
| entil | even after I deleted the contacts from the people app :o | 17:43 |
| w00t | parasemic: can you give any more information? | 17:43 |
| entil | fwiw if I knew where the contact db lives I'd just hack something together to shove the vcf data in there but I'd really like to know if there's an easier way | 17:43 |
| parasemic | it was working totally from the start, then after a while sometimes i had to doubletap like twice or thrice. now its gotten so bad i sometimes have to wake up by pressing the power button as doubletap just won't work | 17:44 |
| entil | w00t: for f in *vcf; do echo >> ../all_contacts.vcf && cat $f >> ../all_contacts.vcf; done | 17:44 |
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| entil | w00t: tail -n +2 ../all_contacts.vcf > ../all_contacts_fixed.vcf | 17:45 |
| parasemic | it also seems to get stuck in the lockscreen sometimes | 17:45 |
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| entil | w00t: that's how the file was generated from the n900 data | 17:45 |
| w00t | entil: these were exported off an n900? | 17:45 |
| entil | yes | 17:45 |
| w00t | parasemic: does the power key work instantly? | 17:45 |
| entil | see how I even made sure the file doesn't end in a newline, in case that's relevant ;) | 17:45 |
| entil | didn't matter | 17:45 |
| parasemic | w00t: yes | 17:46 |
| w00t | entil: my first guess was going to be https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,74297, but that hasn't hit you | 17:46 |
| * w00t tries to import it | 17:46 | |
| parasemic | also, this only happens like once every tenth wakeup or so | 17:46 |
| w00t | parasemic: not honestly sure - what do you mean by 'stuck' in the lockscreen too? | 17:47 |
| entil | w00t: yeah that's what I noticed, the files don't end "properly" so I compensated with echo ;) good to know you compensate for that, but it's probably not the issue at hand | 17:47 |
| parasemic | it opens up, but won't respond to a swipe down to the multitasking screen | 17:47 |
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| w00t | entil: I can reproduce the problem | 17:48 |
| parasemic | or well, i have to wait for a few seconds, then the swipe starts to work | 17:48 |
| stephg | parasemic: I've seen that once or twice over the last week | 17:48 |
| stephg | but not 1 in 10 times... | 17:48 |
| entil | w00t: phew... is there anything obviously bad with the file? | 17:48 |
| entil | hey.. \r\n right? that's not what I used for a separator! | 17:49 |
| parasemic | stephg: well it was very seldom at first but its gotten worse with the time | 17:49 |
| entil | echo outputs \n only, I'm sure | 17:49 |
| entil | I'll try sending a "broken" file to the phone and see if your codereview change link thing does the trick | 17:49 |
| w00t | entil: \r\n may matter, actually -- the fields in the card are \r\n seperated, so I presume the cards should be too | 17:50 |
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| entil | w00t: now it found 3 contacts | 17:52 |
| entil | this is more than a bit confusing, it's found the two people who were in all.vcf (under .vault whatever) | 17:52 |
| entil | and the first one from the file | 17:53 |
| w00t | perl -p -i -e "s/END:VCARD\n/END:VCARD\r\n/g" all_contacts_1.vcf (no idea if that's right, so be a little cautious) imported 517 | 17:53 |
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| entil | the n900 says I have 520 contacts, I got 519 files | 17:55 |
| w00t | the extra 2 may(?) have been from the first two attempts I made to import | 17:55 |
| w00t | I'll clear the database and try again | 17:55 |
| entil | w00t: is there logic in the importer that checks whether or not a file has been imported? | 17:55 |
| entil | because sometimes, like just now, I'm not seeing the "From file" option at all | 17:56 |
| w00t | entil: I'm not sure offhand | 17:56 |
| entil | it's ok, I'll try your perl thing | 17:56 |
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| w00t | removing the database got me 518... no idea where the 519th went :P | 17:56 |
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| entil | w00t: !!! I got 519 imported contacts | 17:58 |
| entil | thanks a lot | 17:58 |
| entil | it was the \n vs \r\n | 17:58 |
| w00t | glad I could be of some limited help :) | 17:58 |
| Pnuu | entil: maybe the 520th is your own number in n900? | 17:59 |
| entil | I'm a bit confused as to why the malformed one didn't work out but it might have been something I screwed up, because I'm sure your reviewed code works | 17:59 |
| entil | Pnuu: maybeh, that's a lot of contacts to check out manually, but a cursory glance showed everyone I usually contact :D | 17:59 |
| w00t | I think it may be worth our while making the vcf parser more tolerant, as I'm sure I've seen other software handle this situation better | 17:59 |
| entil | w00t: and yeah, it'd be real cool if you deleted the file and email with the attachment ;) | 17:59 |
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| w00t | I'll put that into the "spare time" bucket | 17:59 |
| w00t | entil: already on it :) | 18:00 |
| entil | coming from python anything that's not .split() feels like pain ;D | 18:00 |
| entil | or splitlines actually | 18:00 |
| w00t | all gone | 18:00 |
| entil | thanks | 18:00 |
| entil | I got to eat, my brain just realized I've been screwing around with this issue for hours | 18:01 |
| entil | but the next thing would be to import chat histories, that's gonna be fun | 18:01 |
| entil | because afaict it's not a supported feature so I get to do my first sailfish app | 18:01 |
| w00t | the stuff to look at there is libcommhistory/commhistoryd | 18:01 |
| entil | (couldn't find one online either) | 18:01 |
| w00t | if you run into problems, special might be able to help you out if he's around | 18:01 |
| w00t | (github.com/nemomobile/commhistory-daemon + github.com/nemomobile/libcommhistory) | 18:02 |
| entil | thanks | 18:02 |
| entil | yeah, I'm guessing I'll have some fun setting up the sdk and all first ;) | 18:02 |
| entil | AFTER I eat, maybe even tomorrow | 18:03 |
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| tanghus | w00t: it seems PHOTO isn't imported. I synced from an N950, could that be the reason? | 18:07 |
| w00t | tanghus: if they're a part of the vcf, they should be. i'm not entirely sure that they were on n950 exports | 18:10 |
| Matoking | Any information about possible camera support in Myriad Alien (aka Android support)? | 18:11 |
| tanghus | w00t: maybe I should just do a 'normal' import then. Until CardDAV is implemented ;) | 18:11 |
| Matoking | It doesn't appear to work at the moment | 18:11 |
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| lusikka | I can't seem to get my mobile data working. Any idea how to debug it? | 18:41 |
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| sremes | here was earlier some discussion about wifi hotspot, so I decided to code a small app to do that in addition to the python script: https://github.com/sremes/harbour-hotspot (rpm's available too) | 18:53 |
| pp_ | yay :D | 18:58 |
| pp_ | nice :-) | 18:59 |
| sremes | thanks :) | 18:59 |
| pp_ | USB tether seems to be covered in a recent commit to nemo, too | 18:59 |
| pp_ | I sort of started in the same area, but couldn't figure out qml dbus bindings so got nowhere :-) | 19:00 |
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| sremes | I tried those qml-dbus bindings too, but could not figure out how to work with them, and then found that connman-qt5 bindings :) | 19:00 |
| pp_ | :-) | 19:01 |
| pp_ | working code beats elegant code | 19:01 |
| pp_ | some jolla-settings things seemed to use them | 19:02 |
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| mfulz | is there a file open dialog somewhere? | 19:17 |
| mfulz | this one is not workinghttp://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquickdialogs/qml-qtquick-dialogs1-filedialog.html | 19:18 |
| Venemo | pp_: working elegant code beats working code | 19:19 |
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| thessy | hi, whats the right way to integrate own ssl certs to jolla? | 19:23 |
| thessy | is there a command line tool (for developer mode) ? | 19:24 |
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| petantik | ca-cert? idk for sure. | 20:26 |
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| cvp | hey ho | 20:37 |
| Venemo | hi | 20:37 |
| rypervenche | I have a friend who lives in Europe. Are there any things on the phone that would prevent me from being able to use it in the states? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | rypervenche: frequencies of 3G might be a problem | 20:38 |
| rypervenche | Stskeeps: So it would be a good idea to wait for it to be on sale in the U.S. then? | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | if it ever comes to the US market, yeah | 20:39 |
| ln- | but it's not that it wouldn't work in the US at all, right? | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | it might work | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | but no guarantees ^^ | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | ln-: i've yet to see a phone that shuts down on US territory | 20:40 |
| Pnuu | "too open, not allowed!" :-P | 20:41 |
| cvp | hrhr | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | would not even surprise me | 20:41 |
| special | you can get at least 2G on T-Mobile. That SIM of mine doesn't support anything higher, so I'm not sure other than that. | 20:41 |
| special | same on AT&T | 20:41 |
| rypervenche | I bought my N9 from Finland and I've no problems with it. I'm just curious to know that if they were going to bring it out to the states, would they have modified it at all or would it be the same exact phone. | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | good to hear | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | rypervenche: with any phone you'll want to check frequency compatibility with your network | 20:42 |
| rypervenche | Stskeeps: All right. I'll look into that. Thank you. Would that be the only factor to look at? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | rypervenche: i .. think so | 20:43 |
| rypervenche | Stskeeps: All right. I'll try to do a good bit of research before purchasing one. | 20:43 |
| Pnuu | how about import restrictions regarding encryption (ssh)? | 20:44 |
| Pnuu | or are there any? :-P | 20:44 |
| Yaniel | ofc you can always get one for playing arounf0d :P | 20:44 |
| special | Pnuu: there aren't import restrictions, only export | 20:44 |
| Pnuu | ah, ok :-) | 20:44 |
| special | (and the export restrictions are really just paperwork for lawyers to do) | 20:44 |
| Yaniel | around even | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | rypervenche: there's also no FCC label on devices people have in europe. | 20:45 |
| qqK | if I try to connect to a wifi network, it always just says "Sorry. Could not connect to selected network" Does anyone know why it would do that? | 20:46 |
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| Pnuu | qqK: which security? wpa enterprise isn't supported | 20:47 |
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| cvp | may videos work, but th sounds turn off in 5-10 seconds, have anyone the same prob? | 20:51 |
| qqK | [21:47:40] <Pnuu> qqK: which security? wpa enterprise isn't supported <- wep :| | 20:52 |
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| nander | let's play hangman | 21:23 |
| nander | 7 characters | 21:23 |
| AJAX555 | jollafi ! | 21:24 |
| nander | wrong ;) | 21:25 |
| Pnuu | boobies | 21:25 |
| Pnuu | (close relatives to gannets) | 21:27 |
| FireFly | nander: e | 21:28 |
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| entil | I installed the sdk :o A bit confusing though, I created the first app thing https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html and what I'm seeing in the emulator isn't at all like the screen shots | 21:32 |
| entil | I'd assume the sdk's been updated so there are new templates or something, but the code says things like "Hello Sailors" and I'm not seeing the text | 21:33 |
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| nander | all wrong | 21:38 |
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| nander | The word was shipped.. | 21:42 |
| nander | Was that really that hard? ;) | 21:42 |
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| entil | ok whoah, I got something completely wrong... having virtualbox running is not running the application | 21:47 |
| entil | too tired for this -> | 21:48 |
| sremes | rypervenche: I was in the US with my pre-order Jolla, and it did work for SMS and calls at least, didn't try 3g data due to ridiculous roaming prices | 21:52 |
| rypervenche | sremes: Thanks a lot. | 21:56 |
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| CraigA | rypervenche i'm in canada with my jolla | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | o/ javispedro | 22:23 |
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| javispedro | hello | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | how's things? | 22:24 |
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| javispedro | good from here :) | 22:25 |
| javispedro | figured out it would be a good idea to join if I was already toying with the device | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, a nice helpful community is definately growing here | 22:26 |
| javispedro | btw, thanks indeed for the TMO comments the other day | 22:27 |
| javispedro | just been able to boot a kernel, so I'm happy :) | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | no problem.. i couldn't let it stand that we were somehow having a less open device when that's how we built sailfishos in the first place | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:29 |
| faenil | javispedro, o/ | 22:29 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: heh, apologies (but I do know that trolling a bit is a good lazy way to extract information ;P) | 22:31 |
| javispedro | faenil: hi! | 22:31 |
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| javispedro | is djselbeck from TMO around? | 22:54 |
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| special | hm | 23:02 |
| special | tablet charges a lot faster when I plug the USB cable into something | 23:02 |
| special | wish I had known that an hour ago | 23:02 |
| Turski | can't be! | 23:02 |
| javispedro | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Backup_Device -- I suspect at some point either a Jolla wiki or namespace will be required :) | 23:02 |
| Turski | special: but hey, you learn something new everyday | 23:02 |
| Turski | special: i learned that same thing a week ago too | 23:03 |
| sremes | I had a lesson of that thing too, I even thought my laptop had suddenly died for some time, until I realized the battery had run out when the charger was somehow badly connected | 23:04 |
| Turski | oh shit, we shall be afraid: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu | 23:13 |
| Turski | oh, it's already fixed ;) | 23:13 |
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| javispedro | Turski: hey, that's kinda another way to try to discourage people from buying crappy motherboards | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | hey javispedro did you get anywhere with sowatch for jolla? I'm eagerly awaiting a release ;) | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | how would I go about telling conman to use a dhcp client on usb0 on the jolla? | 23:19 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: well, I do have something that will connect via BLE to it and force one of the new watchfaces (the one with fishes) | 23:19 |
| javispedro | (but that's about it :) ) | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | I still have the wds112 model, don't know how well the "knew" ble firmware plays with it | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | last time I tried to flash the non ble version of the current firmware it only worked so and so, the main watchface didn't update for example | 23:21 |
| javispedro | oh, you have the original one? | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 23:22 |
| javispedro | no BLE then... | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | I bought it from thp when he realized he isn't using it at all | 23:22 |
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| javispedro | the older UI is totally unmantained and they were breaking it with every other update | 23:22 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm running sowtach 0.4.3 together "app 3.1.0" firmware | 23:23 |
| javispedro | yeah... | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | since that is the only mix that worked for me when I tried through the versions | 23:23 |
| javispedro | hm. | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | I went as far as backporting ui features from your master branch whilst trying not to affect the bt code :D | 23:24 |
| javispedro | I was pondering what to do re Jolla version. To either a) start something new using BLE and UIv2, QtQuick2 | 23:24 |
| javispedro | b) "quick" port of Sowatch to Sailfish, use QtQuick1 | 23:25 |
| javispedro | watch UIv2, no BLE | 23:25 |
| javispedro | *UIv1 | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | is there any newish release of the watch firmware where uiv1 works properly? | 23:26 |
| javispedro | let me check.. | 23:26 |
| merlin1991 | I feel like a debian user running this super old combination :D | 23:27 |
| javispedro | meh, my notes are garbage | 23:27 |
| javispedro | 1.4.5 (486.418) is the last one I tried | 23:28 |
| javispedro | worked OK except for screen corruption when pressing B button, and also screen corruption when going back to | 23:28 |
| javispedro | the watch display from any watchlet | 23:28 |
| javispedro | albeit it fixed itself when the next minute rolled in | 23:29 |
| javispedro | (so it was usable :P) | 23:29 |
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| merlin1991 | so in otherwords still a regression over what I'm currently running | 23:29 |
| javispedro | good battery life though =) | 23:29 |
| javispedro | so... yeah, that's the minefield of bugs I'm trying to avoid by moving to the new UI | 23:30 |
| javispedro | also, I supposed that a QtQuick1 app can't use all the new Sailfish QML widgets | 23:31 |
| * javispedro ponders | 23:32 | |
| merlin1991 | do they even release non ble versions nowadays? | 23:32 |
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| javispedro | nope | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | damn | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | so my watch is eolo | 23:33 |
| merlin1991 | *eol* | 23:33 |
| javispedro | my gen1 watch is broken (refuses to charge) | 23:33 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: can you try updating your gen1 to newest firmware and see if it works with android app? | 23:33 |
| javispedro | more accurately, "how" it works? maybe UIv2 works better even in gen1 watches | 23:34 |
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| merlin1991 | no droid available for me within a 50km | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | -a | 23:34 |
| javispedro | (same) | 23:34 |
| merlin1991 | and iirc the jolla doesn | 23:35 |
| javispedro | well, that's a lie. I have the Jolla =) | 23:35 |
| merlin1991 | 't yet do ble | 23:35 |
| javispedro | aliendalvik doesn't do bluetooth at all | 23:35 |
| javispedro | no idea why, because it would be trivial | 23:35 |
| javispedro | (the "emulated" android version can still use bluez...) | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | ah well so much for that idea then | 23:37 |
| javispedro | I think I will do option (a) and start something new, hoping that the UIv2 works better in your watch | 23:37 |
| javispedro | if it doesn't... we'll see. | 23:37 |
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| merlin1991 | is there ble support in the jolla bluez? | 23:37 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: proudly present my "BLE API wars" post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1391990 | 23:38 |
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| javispedro | tl;dr: yes there is, albeit minimal, but enough to "roll your own" on top of it. | 23:39 |
| merlin1991 | and whatabout bluez on harmattan, did you have to upgrade it or can you roll your gato library with the one preinstalled? | 23:42 |
| javispedro | yeah, my tests have been on harmattan currently | 23:42 |
| javispedro | ermm.. no upgrades required, I mean. | 23:42 |
| merlin1991 | last time I read about ble on harmattan was quite some time ago, back then someone claimed "hw can do it, but user will have to upgrade bluez" | 23:43 |
| javispedro | even current git bluez does not really have a BLE API | 23:44 |
| javispedro | (albeit it's moving as we speak) | 23:44 |
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| javispedro | they are moving a shitload of stuff to the kernel, no idea why (as I presume that in less than 5 years we'll see it move back to userspace again), but that's for another discussion :) | 23:47 |
| javispedro | in the meanwhile... | 23:50 |
| javispedro | has there been any talk about fm radio reception on the jolla device? | 23:50 |
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| nander | My jolla has just left paris xD | 23:53 |
| nander | 8 minutes ago | 23:53 |
| cvp | nice ;) | 23:56 |
| Turski | nander: i've had mine already for 25 days :) | 23:57 |
| Turski | (sorry) | 23:57 |
| special | Turski: I've had mine for a few months ;) | 23:57 |
| special | (the latest one) | 23:57 |
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| Turski | special: :( | 23:57 |
| special | don't brag unless you can win :p | 23:57 |
| Turski | special: but you're not allowed to take part in this! | 23:58 |
| Turski | special: btw, were the first ones with OMAP chipsets? | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | I still use my n9 even though I have my jolla | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | no sowatch and no exchange atm so I can't move platform yet :D | 23:59 |
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