| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| *** krandom has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 00:03 | |
| *** jreznik has quit IRC | 00:05 | |
| *** WaRiO has quit IRC | 00:09 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 00:16 | |
| *** HarhaanJ1htaja has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| *** blam_ has joined #jollamobile | 00:18 | |
| pawky | jipeeeqayeee! I just ordered my Jolla, finally! :-D | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| pawky | the question will now be, how many of the good old N9 apps will be able to run on this new device? | 00:20 |
| pawky | i mean, who can live without a scientific RPN calculator these days? :-) | 00:20 |
| *** Eztran has quit IRC | 00:20 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 00:23 | |
| merlin1991 | pawky: there is a quite complex calculator in the store | 00:27 |
| *** fk_lx1 has joined #jollamobile | 00:28 | |
| *** fk_lx has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| *** edgar2 has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| *** jjarven has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 00:36 | |
| *** rollietikes has joined #jollamobile | 00:39 | |
| pawky | merlin1991:yes, but is it RPN ? | 00:39 |
| pawky | and my big question is will I be able to install apps from the N9 in sailfish? | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | nah | 00:40 |
| pawky | why not? | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | n9 is qt4.x sailfish is qt5 | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | api breaks happened between the versions | 00:40 |
| pawky | backwards compatibilitity? | 00:40 |
| pawky | hmm... | 00:40 |
| pawky | have you tried? | 00:40 |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 00:41 | |
| merlin1991 | also no apt to handle your dependcies | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | so you'd have to manually unpack .debs and place the files on device | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | and I still bet that 9 times out of 10 it won't work | 00:44 |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 00:44 | |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 00:45 | |
| *** rollietikes has quit IRC | 00:46 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 00:50 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| *** jjarven has joined #jollamobile | 00:56 | |
| *** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile | 01:02 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 01:06 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 01:09 | |
| *** KaiRo_Mozilla has joined #jollamobile | 01:09 | |
| *** zhxt has joined #jollamobile | 01:12 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 01:13 | |
| *** KaIRC has quit IRC | 01:13 | |
| *** sameo has quit IRC | 01:15 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 01:15 | |
| *** chriadam|away is now known as chriadam | 01:20 | |
| *** Kabouik has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| *** joered has quit IRC | 01:32 | |
| *** sameo has joined #jollamobile | 01:32 | |
| *** triggerhappy has quit IRC | 01:33 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 01:36 | |
| *** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile | 01:38 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 01:39 | |
| *** FSCV has quit IRC | 01:43 | |
| *** triggerhappy has quit IRC | 01:44 | |
| *** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile | 01:46 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 01:52 | |
| *** sameo has quit IRC | 01:58 | |
| *** triggerhappy_ has joined #jollamobile | 01:58 | |
| *** triggerhappy has quit IRC | 01:59 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 01:59 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 02:06 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 02:09 | |
| *** qqK has quit IRC | 02:14 | |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 02:20 | |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile | 02:20 | |
| *** M4rtinK has joined #jollamobile | 02:24 | |
| *** wickwire has joined #jollamobile | 02:25 | |
| *** jubo2 has quit IRC | 02:27 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 02:28 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #jollamobile | 02:29 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 02:29 | |
| *** KaiRo_Mozilla has quit IRC | 02:30 | |
| *** wickwire has quit IRC | 02:35 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 02:38 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #jollamobile | 02:38 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 02:39 | |
| *** edgar2 has joined #jollamobile | 02:45 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 02:51 | |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 02:52 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 02:55 | |
| *** ScriptRipper has quit IRC | 02:56 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 02:59 | |
| *** ScriptRipper has joined #jollamobile | 03:00 | |
| *** gigetoo has quit IRC | 03:03 | |
| *** gigetoo has joined #jollamobile | 03:06 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 03:17 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 03:21 | |
| *** M4rtinK has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
| *** crevetor has joined #jollamobile | 03:25 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 03:32 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 03:39 | |
| *** triggerhappy_ has quit IRC | 03:52 | |
| *** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile | 03:53 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 03:55 | |
| *** furikku has joined #jollamobile | 03:56 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 04:01 | |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 04:03 | |
| *** crevetor has quit IRC | 04:11 | |
| *** the_mgt_ has joined #jollamobile | 04:14 | |
| *** the_mgt has quit IRC | 04:17 | |
| *** the_mgt_ is now known as the_mgt | 04:17 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 04:18 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 04:26 | |
| *** lbt has joined #jollamobile | 04:28 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 04:32 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 04:46 | |
| *** npm has joined #jollamobile | 05:07 | |
| *** Eismann has joined #jollamobile | 05:11 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 05:19 | |
| *** phinaliumz has joined #jollamobile | 05:31 | |
| atlaz | Man, alarmscreen really needs a big friggin snooze-button | 05:32 |
| atlaz | And also the snooze-time needs to be 10min, not 5min | 05:33 |
| atlaz | Who the hell wants to snooze for five minutes? | 05:33 |
| *** pvilja has quit IRC | 05:33 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 05:35 | |
| niko_s | There should be menu on snooze times. Like 5, 10, 15 | 05:37 |
| Jope | who wants to snooze period :-) | 05:40 |
| *** Eismann has quit IRC | 05:41 | |
| atlaz | Snoozing for 10 minutes is the best stuff ever | 05:41 |
| Jope | if you're alone maybe :-) | 05:41 |
| special | not having alarms is even better | 05:41 |
| *** jreznik has joined #jollamobile | 05:44 | |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 05:44 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 05:49 | |
| *** blam_ has quit IRC | 05:58 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 06:00 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 06:00 | |
| *** blam_ has joined #jollamobile | 06:03 | |
| *** ericcc has joined #jollamobile | 06:06 | |
| *** blam_ has quit IRC | 06:07 | |
| *** blam_ has joined #jollamobile | 06:07 | |
| *** crevetor has joined #jollamobile | 06:11 | |
| *** blam_ has quit IRC | 06:12 | |
| *** stephg has joined #jollamobile | 06:12 | |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 06:21 | |
| *** AmAH_ has joined #jollamobile | 06:27 | |
| *** AmAH has quit IRC | 06:29 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 06:34 | |
| *** cheb has joined #jollamobile | 06:34 | |
| *** Shura_ has quit IRC | 06:37 | |
| *** Shura has joined #jollamobile | 06:37 | |
| *** disharmonic has quit IRC | 06:38 | |
| *** tjp has quit IRC | 06:38 | |
| *** sdjayna has quit IRC | 06:38 | |
| *** tjp has joined #jollamobile | 06:39 | |
| *** disharmonic has joined #jollamobile | 06:39 | |
| *** orsoniasty has joined #jollamobile | 06:47 | |
| *** orsonmmz has quit IRC | 06:50 | |
| the_mgt | wrt snooze: my gf is planning to get me one of those: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/snuznluz.shtml automatic donation with every press of the snooze button | 06:59 |
| *** isto has joined #jollamobile | 07:01 | |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: i would kill our designers if they opted to have a 3-step pulley menu to deal with in the morning | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | (5,10,15,dismiss) | 07:08 |
| stephg | ha | 07:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | alarm should obviously have 'advanced sleeper mode' | 07:14 |
| *** fk_lx1 has quit IRC | 07:17 | |
| flux | also the alarm should immediately go to 30 or 60 second snooze after you touch the screen :) | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | in order to turn off the alarm, you have to hover one hand over proximity sensor while doing a three-step combo of pulley, swipe to left and date selector to indicate you know what date you woke up on | 07:18 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: no, you should be able to configure what you want | 07:18 |
| atlaz | But the pulley system is really bad cause i cant remember if its up or down for dismiss or snooze | 07:19 |
| flux | or perhaps there's market for a third-party alarm clock | 07:19 |
| *** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile | 07:19 | |
| flux | atlaz, I think I can remember that but I may not remember the orientation of the phone | 07:19 |
| flux | if it stopped the sound once you hit it once, you could pause for a moment and look :) | 07:20 |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC | 07:26 | |
| *** Sinbad has joined #jollamobile | 07:27 | |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 07:28 | |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 07:28 | |
| atlaz | Yeah. The pulley system is bad for alarm. Just needs to big friggin buttons. "STOP THE NOISE IN THE NAME OF GOD!" and "STOP THE NOISE IN THE NAME OF GOD, BUT ONLY FOR 10 MINUTES!" | 07:28 |
| atlaz | *two big friggin | 07:29 |
| atlaz | Or other configurable time of minutes that the users wants to snooze | 07:29 |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 07:30 | |
| *** ortylp has joined #jollamobile | 07:30 | |
| atlaz | My wife gets up at 6:45 and my alarm goes of then also. But then i snooze for 10min periods to 7:25 and drive my wife and dog nuts | 07:30 |
| *** nander has quit IRC | 07:30 | |
| atlaz | Now that my snooze only goes for 5 minute periods i seriously think my wife might murder me in my shallow snooze-induced sleep | 07:31 |
| atlaz | First world problems - my 400€ smart phone only snoozes for 5 minute periods. | 07:32 |
| *** niqt has joined #jollamobile | 07:34 | |
| Frye | atlaz, :D | 07:35 |
| Frye | I can easily snooze of 30-45 mins =) | 07:36 |
| Frye | Luckily my family is out already when I start that | 07:36 |
| Frye | I even have two phones alarming to make sure I "wake up" eventually | 07:36 |
| Kiranos | can you set multiple alamrs and acitvate the ones you like for the week? | 07:36 |
| atlaz | Kiranos: yeah | 07:36 |
| Kiranos | nice! | 07:36 |
| Kiranos | gotten to love it | 07:37 |
| atlaz | Frye: i was real fucking stressed when i had my jolla only for a couple of days and i needed to wake up 4:30 to catch an airplane at 5:15 ( i live close to the airport) | 07:37 |
| Frye | =) | 07:37 |
| atlaz | Then i read horrostories that Jollas clock doesn't keep up | 07:37 |
| Frye | hehe, that seems to be only issue on one timezone | 07:38 |
| Frye | At least I have not seen any problems | 07:38 |
| atlaz | I had my tablet, my Jolla, my Galaxy S2 and my wifes phone waking me up at 4:30 | 07:38 |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 07:42 | |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 07:43 | |
| *** mjones has quit IRC | 07:44 | |
| *** mjones has joined #jollamobile | 07:45 | |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 07:48 | |
| *** ericcc_ has joined #jollamobile | 07:49 | |
| *** mjones has quit IRC | 07:49 | |
| *** phaeron has joined #jollamobile | 07:50 | |
| *** ericcc has quit IRC | 07:50 | |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 07:51 | |
| zbenjamin | guys how can i send mms? or a picture in a facebook chat? | 07:51 |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile | 07:53 | |
| MMori | mms is out of the pictures atm | 07:53 |
| MMori | did you see what I did there? :P | 07:53 |
| zbenjamin | MMori: so no support yet? | 07:53 |
| MMori | no support yet | 07:53 |
| zbenjamin | lol yeah i did ;) | 07:53 |
| MMori | :P | 07:53 |
| zbenjamin | and also no facebook support for sending pics? | 07:53 |
| MMori | I don't know about that since I'm not a fb user | 07:54 |
| zbenjamin | i had to send a mail yesterday ..... people looked at me like i'm crazy ;) | 07:54 |
| chriadam | mms isn't supported yet, afaik. you can transfer a picture to facebook using sharing menu of any picture from gallery etc. in a chat... not sure if that's possible to transfer an actual image over xmpp, special? ^ | 07:54 |
| MMori | :D | 07:54 |
| *** tetris4_ has joined #jollamobile | 07:54 | |
| zbenjamin | chriadam: you can send images over facebook chat, worked on my android phone . So the support is there | 07:55 |
| *** tetris4_ has quit IRC | 07:55 | |
| *** cxl000 has joined #jollamobile | 07:56 | |
| zbenjamin | its was like: "Hey this is my awesome new phone!" "Cool can you send me that picture?" "Ok i send you an MMS ... erm wait ok i'll send it over facebook... erm ok i send yo a mail" "....." | 07:56 |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 07:56 | |
| pp_ | mms is basically a full wap 2.0 stack | 07:57 |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 07:58 | |
| *** pvilja has joined #jollamobile | 07:58 | |
| pp_ | not fun to implement :p | 07:58 |
| *** stuartmd has joined #jollamobile | 07:58 | |
| chriadam | zbenjamin: interesting, and cool. I'll have to look into that (the facebook image sharing over xmpp thing) | 07:58 |
| *** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile | 07:59 | |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 07:59 | |
| *** jreznik has quit IRC | 08:01 | |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 08:01 | |
| zbenjamin | pp_: yeah but everyone has it ;) so thats no excuse | 08:01 |
| zbenjamin | chriadam: yep :) | 08:02 |
| *** Sfiet_Konstantin has joined #jollamobile | 08:05 | |
| *** denexter has quit IRC | 08:05 | |
| *** mjones has joined #jollamobile | 08:06 | |
| MMori | I'm truly impressed about Android compatibility on Jolla. Even when there are occasional crashes and bugs, I could have never dreamed of having netflix, google maps, younited app, etc etc on my Jolla from the very beginning | 08:07 |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 08:07 | |
| MMori | although I'm a bit depressed that virtual keyboard auto completion remembers and suggests my password in clear text but doesn't remember my username.... :P | 08:09 |
| MMori | *about | 08:09 |
| MMori | must be a feature | 08:10 |
| MMori | :P | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | it remembers what's important ;) | 08:11 |
| *** crevetor has quit IRC | 08:11 | |
| MMori | :P | 08:11 |
| chriadam | ouch, that should be handled by the input method hint tbh. fields with the password method hint set, should modify the behaviour of the vkb. w00t or pvuorela_ might be interested in knowing about that one ^ | 08:12 |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 08:12 | |
| tachikom1 | moin :) | 08:13 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 08:13 | |
| MMori | well they both seem to lurk here so I hope they catch your highlight | 08:13 |
| tachikom1 | MMori: that already was happening on n900 in the beginning, seems to be a zombiebug ;)\ | 08:14 |
| MMori | ouch | 08:15 |
| tachikom1 | well, there it got fixed quite fast | 08:15 |
| MMori | I hope that's the case with Jolla too | 08:15 |
| tachikom1 | so, after 1 sleepless night of playing with my jphone i have to say i really like it, once i got the hang of the slideritis it is quite useable | 08:16 |
| MMori | it's a beautiful phone | 08:16 |
| tachikom1 | and its fast - compared to the n900 it incredibly fast, especially the browser on 3g networks | 08:16 |
| tachikom1 | however, there is room for improvement concerning the battery | 08:17 |
| *** imunsie has quit IRC | 08:17 | |
| MMori | yes, the battery is bad :( | 08:17 |
| tachikom1 | i mean the battery runtime | 08:17 |
| MMori | and the charging speed | 08:17 |
| stephg | do we have powertop et. al btw in either mer or the sailfish repos? | 08:17 |
| tachikom1 | but again, i hope that this develops similar to n900, which started with one day and after some hacks it ran 4 - 5 days | 08:17 |
| MMori | let's hope so | 08:18 |
| tachikom1 | mh, charging speed for me is quite fine | 08:18 |
| tachikom1 | but i charge with my old nokia charger, not sure if that makes some difference | 08:18 |
| pettter | has anyone tried some more advanced WPA2 features? | 08:18 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 08:18 | |
| MMori | well I plugged my phone in 3.5 hours ago, it was 7% then and now it's 31%... | 08:18 |
| tachikom1 | what amazes me is that google maps works perfectly | 08:19 |
| atlaz | pettter: man, i love your name! | 08:19 |
| atlaz | pettter: no homo | 08:19 |
| pettter | atlaz: ...huh? | 08:19 |
| tachikom1 | MMori: mh, here it was 70% and i plugged it in for maybe 40 minutes and it was full again | 08:19 |
| MMori | tachikom1: that's something I didn't expect either. Google maps is kinda a must | 08:19 |
| pettter | is there any OSM implementation yet? | 08:20 |
| MMori | tachikom1: Yeah, there are great differences in chargers | 08:20 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 08:20 | |
| tachikom1 | ok, i admit, i installed the gapps zip to have google play in there | 08:20 |
| atlaz | pettter: im stuck in Finland with the same name! | 08:20 |
| atlaz | And i mean friggin stuck. Finns can't type it or pronounce it correctly. | 08:20 |
| pettter | atlaz: ah, I can see that being a problem | 08:21 |
| chriadam | stephg: yes, powertop is available in mer-tools I believe | 08:21 |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 08:21 | |
| the_mgt | pettter: I am going to test eduroam network next week, I hope that works out. (european university wifi, with radius, certificates, centralized auth and roaming all over europe) | 08:22 |
| tachikom1 | mh, haven't tried yet but it should be possible to add an own repo with zypper, right? | 08:22 |
| tachikom1 | mh, wpa2-enterprise does not work i guess | 08:22 |
| pettter | the_mgt: that's exactly what I was referring to :) | 08:23 |
| tachikom1 | it just tells me it can't connect to the network | 08:23 |
| tobiski | good morning | 08:23 |
| the_mgt | pettter: thought so. did you already try and fail? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | eduroam is like crazy PEAP stuffi sn't it | 08:23 |
| pettter | nope, just about to try | 08:23 |
| *** Yaniel^ has joined #jollamobile | 08:23 | |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: seems there are more than one way of doing so, what i read from german university pages | 08:24 |
| pettter | Stskeeps: among other things | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | that issue is being looked into, it's a bit of a complicated case, so | 08:24 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: but yes, some use peap | 08:24 |
| tachikom1 | i'm trying right now on wpa2 enterprise wiht AES/PEAP/MS-CHAP2/roaming | 08:24 |
| tachikom1 | "cant't connect" | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | but, worst case scenario you might be able to configure it over dbus | 08:24 |
| Yaniel^ | tachikom1: yeah not supported in UI it seems | 08:24 |
| tachikom1 | Yaniel^: just ui? | 08:24 |
| Yaniel^ | I found some discussion about connman config for something like that | 08:25 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 08:25 | |
| tachikom1 | ok, will check later, need to work now :) | 08:25 |
| Yaniel^ | btw Stskeeps media player does not show embedded cover art in m4a files? (itunes tags) | 08:25 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 08:25 | |
| tachikom1 | and then - my sdcard is not mounted - ext3 ... | 08:26 |
| tachikom1 | but that should be a minor issue | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | https://01.org/jira/browse/CM-56 maay help | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | but be careful | 08:26 |
| zbenjamin | someone really has to optimize battery useage | 08:26 |
| Yaniel^ | btw how do I get rid of this wrong "update" | 08:26 |
| zbenjamin | my phone is done after a day of moderate use | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | this in german: http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/19378-feature-request-eduroam-untersttzung;-wpa2-enterprise/ | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | but they seem to have gotten done it | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: yes, it's being worked on | 08:27 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: ok good to know :) | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | we don't exactly have the weight of 10+ years experience in power management that maemo guys had ;) | 08:27 |
| tachikom1 | i love this phone already - and its users :) | 08:27 |
| tachikom1 | Stskeeps: on maemo in the beginning it also drained the battery quite a lot | 08:28 |
| tachikom1 | i just wonder what all those amdroid processes do in the background | 08:28 |
| tachikom1 | i always get some pge where they attempt to download languages for speech recognition ... | 08:28 |
| *** miksuh has joined #jollamobile | 08:29 | |
| disharmonic | Morning | 08:29 |
| tachikom1 | btw. are there already infos on toh, i mean stl files and so on? | 08:31 |
| pettter | the_mgt: I can't seem to download the certificates properly.. fail nr. 1 | 08:31 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: afaik, ms-chap is the outdated way for eduroam, eap-ttls/peap is the way to go | 08:31 |
| tachikom1 | i really need to 3d print me some extra batterycase with a solar panel :) | 08:31 |
| CoderCandy | This old phone is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW | 08:31 |
| the_mgt | pettter: d'oh | 08:31 |
| CoderCandy | I managed to hook up my old nokia to my PC and use it as a usb modem... | 08:31 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: can;t confirm, mine is fast as hell | 08:31 |
| the_mgt | since my girlfriend hid my phone and will only give it to me as christmas present... i can only support you next week ;) | 08:32 |
| pettter | haha :) | 08:32 |
| CoderCandy | and well, I tried loading gmail... doesn't work that well | 08:32 |
| tachikom1 | the_mgt: i told my kids that daddy got his christmas already now - biiig mistake | 08:32 |
| CoderCandy | IRC is manageable at least :P | 08:32 |
| MMori | the_mgt: doesn't she know she's playing with fire? | 08:32 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: what phone are you talking about? | 08:32 |
| Yaniel^ | MMori: rather... with fish? | 08:33 |
| the_mgt | tachikom1: that's another part of the problem, yes | 08:33 |
| CoderCandy | Nokia 6085 | 08:33 |
| MMori | Yaniel^: could be! | 08:33 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: ah, ok | 08:33 |
| the_mgt | anyway, I waited since may, so adding a week to it is bearable | 08:33 |
| CoderCandy | I had a 2730 Classic before, lost it. Got this old 6085 with a broken display | 08:33 |
| tachikom1 | misunderstood you for a sec | 08:33 |
| pettter | huh, yeah, that didn't work too well | 08:33 |
| CoderCandy | Day 2 of my 1 week of "jolla is to be expected" period... | 08:34 |
| pettter | trying to select "eduroam" I get "Sorry. Could not connect to selected network." | 08:34 |
| *** wickwire has joined #jollamobile | 08:34 | |
| tachikom1 | these old phone run everything on the baseband chip, right? or do they already have another one inside? | 08:34 |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 08:34 | |
| the_mgt | pettter: i had eduroam working on my linux netbook with playin wpa_supplicant, so i might just clone the config, if possible and try | 08:34 |
| CoderCandy | pettter, eduroam? | 08:34 |
| CoderCandy | KTH? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | pettter: can you figure out what security method is supposed to work? | 08:34 |
| pettter | Stskeeps: I can't even get that far | 08:34 |
| pettter | the_mgt: yeah, I do that on my laptops as well | 08:35 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: https://www.tu-braunschweig.de/Medien-DB/it/wlan_24-11-2010.pdf | 08:35 |
| pettter | CoderCandy: european university wifi thingy | 08:35 |
| CoderCandy | Ooooh, that's EUROPEAN? | 08:35 |
| the_mgt | it should have a guide for nokia phones and iirc wpa_supplicant, but they officially support none of them. and it is in german | 08:35 |
| * CoderCandy feels silly :P | 08:35 | |
| pettter | CoderCandy: mostly european, at least | 08:36 |
| CoderCandy | I thought it was a thing just my university used :P | 08:36 |
| *** nciked has joined #jollamobile | 08:36 | |
| Yaniel^ | Stskeeps: WPA enterprise or WPA2 enterprise EAP-PEAP or EAP-TTLS MSCHAP v2 according to IT helpdesk at my uni | 08:36 |
| tachikom1 | btw - the mail client - is good | 08:36 |
| pettter | I know some universities in .za that's trying to do it also | 08:36 |
| the_mgt | CoderCandy: in theory, you should be able to use it on any university supporting it... | 08:36 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 08:36 | |
| Yaniel^ | with TKIP or AES encryption | 08:36 |
| CoderCandy | Cool, that's pretty awesome to hear. | 08:36 |
| Nicd- | except that you have to have a local account there | 08:37 |
| *** joered has joined #jollamobile | 08:37 | |
| Nicd- | if it's in a different country | 08:37 |
| pettter | Nicd-: nope | 08:37 |
| Yaniel^ | CoderCandy: that is the cool thing about it :P you get wlan access at any uni that uses it | 08:37 |
| the_mgt | gotta go to work | 08:37 |
| CoderCandy | Sweeet! | 08:37 |
| *** sameo has joined #jollamobile | 08:37 | |
| Nicd- | pettter: eduroam never worked in sweden with my finnish account | 08:37 |
| CoderCandy | Time to travel around in europe! | 08:37 |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 08:38 | |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 08:38 | |
| CoderCandy | Nicd-, aww, so I guess my swedish account won't work in finland? | 08:38 |
| pettter | Nicd-: huh, that's weird | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | CoderCandy: I wouldn't count on it | 08:38 |
| pettter | I've used my swedish account in germany at least | 08:38 |
| pettter | iirc | 08:38 |
| CoderCandy | pettter, which university do you go to? | 08:38 |
| pettter | umu.se | 08:38 |
| Yaniel^ | Stskeeps: about media player, who should I ping? | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | CoderCandy: what uni? | 08:39 |
| CoderCandy | KTH | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | ah | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | I was in LiU for half a year | 08:39 |
| CoderCandy | Actually, I'm on my way to my university right now :P | 08:40 |
| CoderCandy | I'm on the train | 08:40 |
| CoderCandy | (which also means VERY unstable connection) | 08:40 |
| CoderCandy | (Not that you'll notice since I have a bouncer at home.) | 08:40 |
| Yaniel^ | bouncers <3 | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | shell > bouncer | 08:41 |
| *** Kabouik has joined #jollamobile | 08:41 | |
| Yaniel^ | well | 08:41 |
| disharmonic | Do we roughly know how long it takes to go from in picking to shipped? 2-3 days? | 08:41 |
| CoderCandy | I like graphical IRC clients tbh... | 08:41 |
| Yaniel^ | disharmonic: can be anything | 08:41 |
| disharmonic | Yaniel, I see. thx | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | THX certified | 08:42 |
| tachikom1 | disharmonic: here it went on picking at 3 in teh morning and at 17:00 the same day it was fetched by fedex, arriving the next day at 11:00 in germany | 08:42 |
| * ShadowJK tries Itella's online customer service chat to fix postcode (: | 08:43 | |
| tachikom1 | could we replace the in the english language by 'teh' please ;) | 08:43 |
| ShadowJK | I used to do it all the time, but now xchat fixes it for me ): | 08:44 |
| tachikom1 | lol | 08:44 |
| tachikom1 | i guess i have to install something for irssi as well | 08:44 |
| tachikom1 | i really have to work .... | 08:45 |
| *** yunta has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** Yaniel has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** yunta has joined #jollamobile | 08:46 | |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 08:48 | |
| *** stezz has joined #jollamobile | 08:48 | |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 08:49 | |
| ShadowJK | Now I have to make effort and type t e h followed by next word, and then erase teh spaces | 08:49 |
| tachikom1 | lol | 08:51 |
| leinir | i have come to... depend on the bb10 keyboard's auto corrections... i suspect i shall be missing them on jolla ;) | 08:52 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: btw android services, do they run always or only when the corresponding app is open in the tiles view? I think i only get whatsapp messages if its visible in the tiles view | 08:53 |
| stephg | zbenjamin some services are running all the time | 08:54 |
| stephg | whether or not you have an app open | 08:54 |
| *** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC | 08:54 | |
| Raim | ShadowJK: just delete that from Settings > Auto Replace | 08:55 |
| zbenjamin | stephg: weird i should get messages then | 08:56 |
| zbenjamin | stephg: we need some android ui to check that stuff out | 08:56 |
| zbenjamin | or maybe just ssh in an start top | 08:56 |
| *** Sinbad has quit IRC | 08:57 | |
| ShadowJK | Itella/posti person was unable to change the address of jolla in transit :( | 08:59 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: provide a app that can create power stats, i bet lots of jolla users would help and run it | 08:59 |
| mcfrisk | sigh, unable to klick html links with jolla browser at relaa.com | 09:00 |
| leinir | hmm... good point, yes - having a useage stats toggle in settings that'd allow the device to call home would be kind of useful | 09:00 |
| *** Sinbad has joined #jollamobile | 09:00 | |
| leinir | as you say, zbenjamin, i suspect many of us would just go "Cool! Another way to help Jolla, totally! *tap*" with that :) | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | let's send jolla -all- our data! | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:01 |
| jussi | Jolla, the new NSA! :D | 09:01 |
| tachikom1 | tbh, i rather send my data to jolla that to google or apple | 09:02 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: heh ;) just setup a cloudspace and a way to sync, there you go | 09:02 |
| zbenjamin | jollacloud | 09:02 |
| tachikom1 | i think this phone was the first where i created an account with me real name | 09:03 |
| mcfrisk | browser restart fixed relaa.com link clicking issue for now | 09:03 |
| *** simbrown has joined #jollamobile | 09:04 | |
| tachikom1 | oh, yes - maybe a stupid question - but is there a way to copy/paste text from a webpage in the browser? | 09:04 |
| pp_ | re eduroam, yup, doesn't work | 09:04 |
| pp_ | wpa2 enterprise with self-signed cert here (implementations may vary) | 09:04 |
| *** wickwire has quit IRC | 09:05 | |
| *** Natunen has joined #jollamobile | 09:05 | |
| *** eijk has joined #jollamobile | 09:06 | |
| *** sdjayna has joined #jollamobile | 09:06 | |
| veskuh | tachikom1, not yet | 09:06 |
| *** ortylp has quit IRC | 09:07 | |
| veskuh | mcfrisk, yep. thats a known issue and we have fix for that coming up | 09:07 |
| zbenjamin | ah feature request: Wlan hotspot :) | 09:08 |
| zbenjamin | tethering would rock | 09:08 |
| mcfrisk | veskuh: thanks! | 09:08 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 09:10 | |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 09:10 | |
| *** sababa has quit IRC | 09:10 | |
| Yaniel^ | veskuh: about media player, who should I ping? | 09:11 |
| tachikom1 | veskuh: ok, then i'll stop looking for that :) | 09:12 |
| veskuh | Yaniel^, what's your issue | 09:12 |
| Yaniel^ | embedded cover art is not shown | 09:12 |
| *** stephg has quit IRC | 09:12 | |
| Yaniel^ | m4a files, encoded & cover art tags set with itunes | 09:12 |
| Yaniel^ | I recall seeing it shown in multiple official videos though | 09:13 |
| leinir | that's because lol m4a | 09:13 |
| *** sababa has joined #jollamobile | 09:13 | |
| veskuh | Yaniel^, yep. I have a lot songs from itunes on my sd-card. I'll see if any of them have the same issue | 09:14 |
| Yaniel^ | check. I'll give flac a try while I'm at it | 09:15 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 09:15 | |
| veskuh | Yaniel^, ok, I have some covers issuing also. I think tracker has not managed to dig them, I'll make sure we have a bug about that | 09:16 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 09:16 | |
| *** thommy_ka has joined #jollamobile | 09:17 | |
| Yaniel^ | does the media player support covers in external files? | 09:17 |
| Yaniel^ | like having a file called cover.(jpg|png|tiff) in the same folder as the files | 09:17 |
| Yaniel^ | flac embedded covers don't show up either | 09:18 |
| veskuh | Yaniel^, having cover.jpg in album directory may work. (there has been issues, and I haven't tried this myself) | 09:21 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 09:21 | |
| Yaniel^ | let's see about that then... | 09:22 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 09:22 | |
| *** arcean has joined #jollamobile | 09:26 | |
| mcfrisk | browser feature req: attaching files like pictures to some web forums, maybe using post but the file browsing isn't triggering anything on jolla. I gues sites are using css form-file for the browse link and form submit ajax-processed for sending it. | 09:26 |
| *** SfietKonstantin has joined #jollamobile | 09:26 | |
| tanghus | \o/ FedEx just delivered my phone! | 09:27 |
| *** nander has joined #jollamobile | 09:27 | |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 09:27 | |
| Yaniel^ | tanghus: yay \o/ | 09:27 |
| Yaniel^ | just in time | 09:27 |
| veskuh | mcfrisk, yeah, filepicker for browser is in our backlog and quite high up there | 09:27 |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 09:27 | |
| tanghus | The only xmas present this year, but the best ;) | 09:28 |
| leinir | tanghus: \o/ indeed! | 09:29 |
| *** faenil has quit IRC | 09:29 | |
| CoderCandy | tanghus, what order ID did you have? | 09:29 |
| tachikom1 | so many happy geeks :) | 09:29 |
| tanghus | But my Poppy TOH not in package :( Coming soon it says | 09:29 |
| CoderCandy | I'm trying to figure out how far back I am | 09:29 |
| *** disharmonic has quit IRC | 09:29 | |
| *** Sfiet_Konstantin has quit IRC | 09:29 | |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: i was 26xx and got mine yesterday, jfyi | 09:29 |
| Yaniel^ | veskuh: cover.jpg does not show up either | 09:30 |
| CoderCandy | I think I'm 35xx or something... Gmail is to slow to load | 09:30 |
| mcfrisk | thanks veskuh! | 09:30 |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 09:30 | |
| CoderCandy | nope, 30xx :D | 09:30 |
| CoderCandy | so I guess it's my turn soon ^^ | 09:31 |
| Yaniel^ | what was the command to force tracker to refresh its index? | 09:31 |
| leinir | i'm 33xx and in picking since last night sometime :) | 09:31 |
| CoderCandy | IN PICKING? | 09:31 |
| * CoderCandy check | 09:32 | |
| tachikom1 | there are quite some 3*** numbers that are already on received | 09:32 |
| tachikom1 | according to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=0 | 09:32 |
| jake9xx | itella in finland at least is running at their max capacity | 09:33 |
| jake9xx | my parcel (not jolla) has been waiting at logistics centre since 17th | 09:33 |
| CoderCandy | mcfrisk... I recognize that username | 09:33 |
| CoderCandy | Did I see you in #maemo or similar? | 09:33 |
| tachikom1 | fedex took not even a full day to get it from finland to my place in germany | 09:34 |
| *** boud has quit IRC | 09:34 | |
| tachikom1 | 17:00 evening until 11:00 the next day | 09:34 |
| tachikom1 | i was impressed | 09:34 |
| CoderCandy | that's awesome | 09:34 |
| tachikom1 | i was lucky, checked mail, saw tracking id - checked id - saw its on the way to my place, went upsatris - *dingdong* | 09:35 |
| leinir | swish :) | 09:35 |
| tachikom1 | i would not have heard the dorrbell while in the basement | 09:35 |
| CoderCandy | Lol | 09:35 |
| Yaniel^ | heh | 09:35 |
| CoderCandy | YES | 09:36 |
| CoderCandy | IN PICKING! | 09:36 |
| tachikom1 | yeah, the basement - the natural habitat of the computer enthiusiast :) | 09:36 |
| CoderCandy | It's been "Paid" for I don't know how long! | 09:36 |
| mcfrisk | CoderCandy: yes, #maemo, #meego, #yocto... | 09:36 |
| CoderCandy | well 3 weeks and 1 day... | 09:36 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: check mail for tracking number ;) | 09:36 |
| CoderCandy | No mail for tracking yet | 09:36 |
| tachikom1 | ok, are you outside of finland? | 09:36 |
| * CoderCandy just checked his mail to get the password for jolla account thingie | 09:37 | |
| CoderCandy | Yeah, Sweden | 09:37 |
| CoderCandy | So probably next weex | 09:37 |
| CoderCandy | week* | 09:37 |
| tachikom1 | if fedex is used, they might pick it up in the evening | 09:37 |
| tachikom1 | it might already arrive tomorrow, take care ;) | 09:37 |
| CoderCandy | ... Tomorrow? | 09:37 |
| CoderCandy | Tomorrow is a saturday... | 09:37 |
| tachikom1 | fedex does deliveries on saturday, don;t they? | 09:38 |
| CoderCandy | I dunno? I have never used fede | 09:38 |
| CoderCandy | fedex* | 09:38 |
| tachikom1 | my tracking: http://pastebin.com/byM6BV1V sorry, in german, but you should be able to read the times | 09:39 |
| *** Eztran has joined #jollamobile | 09:40 | |
| *** chriadam is now known as chriadam|away | 09:41 | |
| *** boud has joined #jollamobile | 09:41 | |
| CoderCandy | Unable to load the pastebin :( | 09:41 |
| *** chriadam|away has quit IRC | 09:41 | |
| CoderCandy | Stupid mega-slow connection! | 09:41 |
| CoderCandy | THERE | 09:41 |
| CoderCandy | Hey, your phone was in Sweden! | 09:42 |
| CoderCandy | But yeah, I'm going now... Something about being on a train and having to step off :P | 09:43 |
| CoderCandy | See ya! | 09:43 |
| tachikom1 | ok, fedex delivers saturdays, but only on request and it costs extra | 09:43 |
| tachikom1 | but one might be able to pick it up on satureday from fedex station | 09:44 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 09:44 | |
| Andy80 | hi | 09:44 |
| Andy80 | do you know if the current limitations with Android support on Jolla (for example apps cannot access the Contacts or the fotocamera) are going to be fixed/implemented soon? | 09:45 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: FedEx International Priority was my package - that would qualify for saturday delivery ... | 09:45 |
| tachikom1 | anyway, hiope you read that when you are online again | 09:45 |
| artemma | Andy80: I think somebody talked that Android apps will likely be able to read contacts, but not write them. For security reasons, not technical ones | 09:46 |
| Andy80 | artemma, even "read only" would be fine.... it would make WhatsApp 100% work :) | 09:47 |
| gabriel9|work | can we choose other half color | 09:48 |
| *** Yaniel^ has quit IRC | 09:48 | |
| Andy80 | artemma, WhatsApp and CalDav (that is coming "soon") are at the moment the main "blockers" for me :P (I mean that without them I can't use my Jolla as main device) | 09:49 |
| *** Yaniel^ has joined #jollamobile | 09:52 | |
| tanghus | Hmm, it can't find wifi networks | 09:52 |
| *** Eztran has quit IRC | 09:52 | |
| Yaniel^ | were you trying to connect to eduroam or something similar? | 09:53 |
| Yaniel^ | I've had it not discovering networks at all after failing at that | 09:53 |
| Yaniel^ | until rebooting | 09:53 |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 09:53 | |
| tanghus | It just didn't show them. UX fail :P | 09:54 |
| *** nander has quit IRC | 09:54 | |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 09:55 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #jollamobile | 09:58 | |
| Yaniel^ | yeah | 09:59 |
| Yaniel^ | "oh noez, error hapend! um what was this supposed to do again?" | 10:00 |
| CoderCandy | tachikom1, oh, awesome! | 10:04 |
| CoderCandy | also WOO, I'm home... | 10:04 |
| *** imunsie has joined #jollamobile | 10:07 | |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 10:08 | |
| *** imunsie has quit IRC | 10:11 | |
| *** stephg has joined #jollamobile | 10:14 | |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: well, i had another look and it says as well "workday delivery", not sure if that is some special thing for premium or just a statement as mine was delivered on a workday. | 10:14 |
| tachikom1 | but then - a saturday in germany counts as workday, at least if it comes to parking meters and so on ;) | 10:15 |
| *** shadow has joined #jollamobile | 10:15 | |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: I'd check mail for tracking number in the afternoon/evening, at least they should pick it up today | 10:15 |
| *** shadow is now known as Guest92616 | 10:15 | |
| CoderCandy | tachikom1, we have 3 kind of days in sweden | 10:15 |
| CoderCandy | Workdays | 10:15 |
| CoderCandy | day before non-workday | 10:15 |
| CoderCandy | and non-workday | 10:15 |
| tachikom1 | lol | 10:16 |
| CoderCandy | where day before non-workday is pretty much a non-workday.... | 10:16 |
| tachikom1 | i guees you should know more when it's picked up and the tracking id is sent | 10:16 |
| *** faenil has joined #jollamobile | 10:16 | |
| CoderCandy | Yeah | 10:16 |
| Pnuu | CoderCandy: you forfot post-non-workday | 10:16 |
| *** cvp has joined #jollamobile | 10:16 | |
| Pnuu | fogot | 10:16 |
| Pnuu | forgot! | 10:16 |
| cvp | hello :) | 10:16 |
| CoderCandy | Btw, what does "In Picking" even mean | 10:16 |
| mcfrisk | ah, mer project has public logs for this and other jolla phone related IRC channels at: http://merproject.org/logs/ | 10:16 |
| CoderCandy | Pnuu, that's just a regular monday :P | 10:16 |
| tachikom1 | Pnuu: thats the "getting sober again" day? | 10:17 |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 10:17 | |
| Pnuu | yeah, something in those lines | 10:17 |
| Yaniel^ | it's the "I hate mondays" day | 10:17 |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: it means afaik that fedex is informed to pick it up and will fetch it when they come by next | 10:17 |
| *** zhxt has quit IRC | 10:17 | |
| CoderCandy | Ah, okay | 10:17 |
| tachikom1 | at leat that way it makes sense to me | 10:17 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 10:24 | |
| CoderCandy | Hopefully I followed all conventions in my update of the Shipping status list.. | 10:25 |
| *** eijk has joined #jollamobile | 10:25 | |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: lol, just don;t click anywhere ;) | 10:25 |
| tachikom1 | that was what i did | 10:26 |
| ShadowJK | i thought it meant that it's being packaged into box and supplied with address label | 10:27 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 10:29 | |
| *** niqt has quit IRC | 10:32 | |
| *** orsoniasty is now known as orsonmmz | 10:36 | |
| *** arcean_ has joined #jollamobile | 10:36 | |
| *** niqt has joined #jollamobile | 10:37 | |
| *** jreznik has joined #jollamobile | 10:37 | |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 10:38 | |
| *** arcean has quit IRC | 10:39 | |
| AJAX555 | ahmg jolla @post office now | 10:41 |
| CoderCandy | Okay, back on train. This time running on battery because it's an old model without power outlets. | 10:42 |
| *** Yaniel^ has quit IRC | 10:42 | |
| CoderCandy | Sweet AJAX555, mine is still in picking :( | 10:42 |
| CoderCandy | But that's at least an improvement from yesterday! | 10:42 |
| AJAX555 | heh, gotta go get that phone soon | 10:43 |
| CoderCandy | Also, when I get my Jolla, I can probably ditch windows for real on my laptop... | 10:43 |
| AJAX555 | sadly I can't | 10:44 |
| AJAX555 | there is one program that doesn't work on linux | 10:44 |
| CoderCandy | I've needed the windows drivers in order to do usb <-> network thingies with the old nokia phones.... | 10:44 |
| AJAX555 | atleast not yet | 10:44 |
| AJAX555 | and because of that one program I still have linux + windows on my laptop | 10:44 |
| CoderCandy | Which one? | 10:44 |
| CoderCandy | I still have windows on my gaming desktop | 10:44 |
| CoderCandy | and only windows on that one, because I pretty much only play games on it :P | 10:45 |
| AJAX555 | CoderCandy: you mean which linux? | 10:45 |
| CoderCandy | Nah, which program is stopping you? | 10:46 |
| CoderCandy | And yeah, which dist would be fun to know as well | 10:46 |
| dist | <- that dist! | 10:46 |
| CoderCandy | ... lol, you have to blame yourself for that highlight dist! | 10:47 |
| *** rcg has joined #jollamobile | 10:47 | |
| dist | =D | 10:47 |
| AJAX555 | CoderCandy: ah, APT | 10:47 |
| AJAX555 | as in, astrophotography tool | 10:47 |
| CoderCandy | Ah, that seems like a cool program actually! | 10:48 |
| *** peakki has joined #jollamobile | 10:48 | |
| peakki | hi! is there any help here to email problems with jolla phone? | 10:48 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: btw, do you use astrotortilla?-) | 10:48 |
| AJAX555 | CoderCandy: yea it is kinda handy and cool d; | 10:48 |
| AJAX555 | Pnuu: no | 10:49 |
| Pnuu | I think it works with APT nowadays | 10:49 |
| CoderCandy | astrotortillia... Sounds tasty :P | 10:49 |
| CoderCandy | tortilla* | 10:49 |
| Pnuu | http://sourceforge.net/projects/astrotortilla/ | 10:50 |
| CoderCandy | peakki, uhm I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Email problems here? You mean like asking us questions? | 10:50 |
| Pnuu | but, back to qml practices | 10:50 |
| peakki | CoderCandy: yeah. sorry about that. i've problems sending email from one of my email accounts | 10:50 |
| peakki | I read some tips from murobbs about it, but it doesn't help or i'm doing something wrong | 10:51 |
| CoderCandy | OH, you wanted help with "email problems"... I read that as you wanted help with emailing problems to jolla xD | 10:51 |
| AJAX555 | Pnuu: oh, better check it out | 10:51 |
| peakki | hehe, noup :D | 10:52 |
| CoderCandy | I was just confuzed :P | 10:52 |
| *** arcean_ is now known as arcean | 10:52 | |
| CoderCandy | anyway, I haven't gotten my hands on my jolla yet, (still in picking!) so I can | 10:52 |
| CoderCandy | can't help, sorry :( | 10:52 |
| peakki | CoderCandy: sorry to hear that. I lost my faith to have it before Xmas, but the miracle happened yesterday and I got it! it was in "picking" on this wed afternoon and I got it from post office yesterday at 3pm :) | 10:53 |
| CoderCandy | Well "still in picking" means it's been in picking for around 5 hours or so... | 10:54 |
| CoderCandy | It was just "Paid" yesterday! | 10:54 |
| peakki | CoderCandy: where do you live? | 10:54 |
| CoderCandy | Sweden | 10:54 |
| CoderCandy | Based on the double-k in your name I assume you live in Finland? | 10:54 |
| *** tukkone has joined #jollamobile | 10:55 | |
| Pnuu | the .inet.fi is also good hint ;-) | 10:55 |
| CoderCandy | Pnuu, yeah, I missed to look at the join message :Y | 10:56 |
| CoderCandy | :P* | 10:56 |
| peakki | well I'm in finland. I paid on 28th of nov, on 18th dec it changed from 'paid' --> 'picking'. and in finland the 'picking' means in jolla's case, that the phone has been handed to the deliver (DHL in finland). | 10:56 |
| CoderCandy | peakki, ooh, awesome! I also paid on the 28th | 10:56 |
| *** Yaniel has joined #jollamobile | 10:57 | |
| CoderCandy | Btw, how good is the android support? | 10:57 |
| CoderCandy | It's an awesome concept, until we get a large enough native application base, leech of androids! | 10:58 |
| *** simbrown has quit IRC | 10:58 | |
| peakki | I got my tracking number for the package on 18th dec, around 9pm-10pm. the tracking showed that the package was in post office's sorting center | 10:58 |
| CoderCandy | peakki, okie dokie lokie, I'll probably get my tracking number tonight then ^^ | 10:58 |
| peakki | CoderCandy: haven't had time yet to test it. i'm missing some of the basic functions that i expected. and getting used to the UI. | 10:59 |
| CoderCandy | what basic functions? | 10:59 |
| peakki | that email sending problem has really been a pain in the ass | 10:59 |
| *** nsuffys has joined #jollamobile | 10:59 | |
| tachikom1 | CoderCandy: for me the android support so far is excellent | 10:59 |
| Sarvi | CoderCandy: it's ok (android compatibility), apps work pretty well in general for me, games tend to crash or not work more often | 10:59 |
| tachikom1 | i installed that gapps package for google play access and the three apps i tried instantly worked flawless | 11:00 |
| CoderCandy | Oh, yeah, there's probably a shitload of childbugs in the phone | 11:00 |
| peakki | after using N9 for 1/2 years, the jolla is something like evolution and amazing. but it some ways, I miss the things from N9 because everything worked | 11:00 |
| tachikom1 | the is google maps, knights and dragons and the vice 64 emulator | 11:00 |
| CoderCandy | sweet | 11:00 |
| *** simbrown has joined #jollamobile | 11:00 | |
| tachikom1 | google maps works so great i might actully prefer it to that nokia thing | 11:00 |
| CoderCandy | But my guess is that most problems will be patched as they get found. | 11:00 |
| tachikom1 | including gps and so on | 11:00 |
| CoderCandy | Sweeeet! | 11:01 |
| *** isto has quit IRC | 11:01 | |
| *** stezz1 has joined #jollamobile | 11:01 | |
| AJAX555 | to the post office! -> | 11:01 |
| CoderCandy | good luck AJAX555 ! | 11:02 |
| leinir | tachikom1: you will, right up until the moment you find yourself in an area with dodgy coverage ;) | 11:02 |
| *** nander has joined #jollamobile | 11:02 | |
| nander | Still 'in picking' | 11:02 |
| CoderCandy | Oh god... GPS, man have I missed you! | 11:03 |
| CoderCandy | I haven't had a GPS since my n900 broke :P | 11:03 |
| *** stezz has quit IRC | 11:04 | |
| sremes | anyone know of a work-around for the issue where android apps seemingly lose internet connectivity, presumably after switching between different wifis/locations? | 11:04 |
| tachikom1 | leinir: yes, personelly I'd porefer something osm based | 11:04 |
| peakki | is there some jolla employees in this channel? | 11:05 |
| leinir | tachikom1: *nods* though, i would personally settle for the jolla maps app being able to download tilesets like the n9 maps did :) | 11:05 |
| flux | may not be just an 'able' but also if HERE licenses maps that way :-o | 11:06 |
| flux | (for a reasonable cost) | 11:06 |
| tachikom1 | leinir: my favourite mapping tool was maemo mapper / mapero | 11:06 |
| flux | but it indeed was pretty nice | 11:06 |
| *** s1gk1ll_ is now known as s1gk1ll | 11:06 | |
| tachikom1 | i could download all the maps i needed at home and was set | 11:06 |
| tachikom1 | lunch | 11:07 |
| flux | tachikom1, map to the fridge and the dangerous lands between kitchen and living room? | 11:07 |
| ShadowJK | peakki; sure, but they're not here as official representatives, and go hide whenever someone asks that question ;) | 11:07 |
| s1gk1ll | hello everyone, quick question | 11:07 |
| flux | (rumor sez 50% of jolla ircs here. or could be the sailfish channel I suppose as well.) | 11:08 |
| eijk | Hi! Let's say, I wanted to improve the Jolla clock app. Is it open-source? Where do I find the code? I already installed the Sailfish OS SDK and I am a fluent Qt programmer. | 11:08 |
| s1gk1ll | is it supposed to get sound from both speaker grids on the bottom ? | 11:08 |
| peakki | ShadowJK: thought so :D | 11:08 |
| s1gk1ll | my phone only uses the bottom left | 11:08 |
| nander | damm, I'm just about precisely the border now.. | 11:09 |
| nander | People who got in picking on the same day have their device | 11:09 |
| peakki | s1gk1ll: no, it was mentioned in one finnish review (mobiili.fi i think) | 11:09 |
| flux | eijk, I think none of the interesting stuff has been released yet ;-) (and it remains to be seen what is going to be released; hopefully at least the simplest apps would be in the list :-o) | 11:09 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 11:09 | |
| peakki | s1gk1ll: the other grill is only for looks, maybe it affects the sound in some ways | 11:09 |
| hene- | s1gk1ll: other one is a mic | 11:09 |
| hene- | ah | 11:09 |
| s1gk1ll | oh, ok guys | 11:09 |
| s1gk1ll | thanks a lot | 11:09 |
| peakki | hene-: you are right. my mistake, i remembered wrong | 11:10 |
| hene- | yep | 11:10 |
| peakki | from my experience, talking voice is good and natural with the phone :) i like | 11:11 |
| *** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe | 11:12 | |
| hene- | yes, I agree | 11:12 |
| *** fk_lx has joined #jollamobile | 11:12 | |
| hene- | but there is a bug with voice volume control during the call | 11:12 |
| Tofe | morning! | 11:12 |
| hene- | sometimes volume control does not affect - have to reboot | 11:13 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 11:13 | |
| *** eijk has joined #jollamobile | 11:13 | |
| *** fk_lx has quit IRC | 11:14 | |
| Tofe | I'm desperately trying to connect my Jolla to a ad-hoc wifi network, but it doesn't find the network. Is there a support for ad-hoc networks, currently ? | 11:15 |
| Tofe | (if I remember well, it depends on the configuration of wpa_supplicant, something like that) | 11:16 |
| pp_ | best bet is poking around connman :-) | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | oh right, I'm in that happy fun group of people, where it's impossible to google every problem and find countless forum threads with solutions | 11:16 |
| CoderCandy | because it's this group who have to figure out the solutions! | 11:17 |
| Tofe | CoderCandy: if I break the connman configuration of my brand new phone because I replaced wpa_supplicant.conf without understanding how a Jolla is configured to work, Google won't help me... | 11:19 |
| *** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile | 11:19 | |
| CoderCandy | Tofe, yeah, that's what I meant. Jolla is brand new, so there are virtually no tutorials on anything, compared to older phones. | 11:21 |
| CoderCandy | Also, how easy is the jolla to brick+ | 11:21 |
| CoderCandy | ?* | 11:21 |
| CoderCandy | I mean, is it possible to reflash it if you screw up too bad? | 11:21 |
| pp_ | yes, no. | 11:21 |
| pp_ | and depends on what you do :-) | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'd wait with any brick potential things | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | there's coming saner recovery in future | 11:22 |
| Tofe | CoderCandy: I didn't see any stock image of the Jollas | 11:22 |
| pp_ | apparently a chmod 777 in the wrong place will get you a new phone, currently | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | developer mode philosophy is that if you break something with developer mode, you get to keep both pieces and costs related | 11:23 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: I'm in developper mode now :) | 11:23 |
| atlaz | Is there a single Jolla user anywhere in the world who would NOT be in developer mode? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: power comes with responsibility | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:23 |
| Tofe | atlaz: ah, that's a good question! | 11:23 |
| pp_ | I'd temporarily disable connman, play with /sbin/iw and if it breaks, power-cycle :-) | 11:24 |
| pp_ | systemctl stop should be safe enough | 11:24 |
| Tofe | pp_: I think I'll first read some docs about ad-hoc network and connman, because I don't know much about both of these | 11:24 |
| pp_ | yup, might be that it doesn't even do it, but you can make the jolla an AP with it | 11:25 |
| *** martyone has joined #jollamobile | 11:25 | |
| Tofe | pp_: yes, but that's not what I want to do right now :p | 11:25 |
| CoderCandy | Anyway, I'm close to my stop, time to get off the train, see ya! | 11:26 |
| Tofe | is there an Ethernet other half ? ;) | 11:26 |
| leinir | no(t yet) ;) | 11:26 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 11:26 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile | 11:26 | |
| atlaz | I need a other half with 3½ inch diskette support | 11:26 |
| *** phaeron has quit IRC | 11:26 | |
| atlaz | How cool would that be | 11:27 |
| *** prometoys has joined #jollamobile | 11:27 | |
| Tofe | atlaz: I think we could do a dock station OH | 11:27 |
| atlaz | "Installing mortal kombat on Jolla. Insert disk 1/44" | 11:27 |
| *** jreznik has quit IRC | 11:27 | |
| *** jreznik_ has joined #jollamobile | 11:28 | |
| *** tukkone has left #jollamobile | 11:28 | |
| leinir | hmm... and again i am reminded of das xPhone ;) | 11:28 |
| *** Venemo has joined #jollamobile | 11:30 | |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 11:30 | |
| Venemo | hey guys | 11:30 |
| Venemo | what exactly does "in picking" mean? | 11:30 |
| pp_ | I think I bought a "Phone Construction Kit", but I'm fine with that :-) | 11:30 |
| *** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile | 11:30 | |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 11:30 | |
| tanghus | Venemo: they're ready to call FedEx :) | 11:31 |
| smokex | it means they're picking on the phone, making fun of it before they send it to you | 11:31 |
| smokex | lowering its self esteem for giggles | 11:31 |
| tanghus | he he | 11:31 |
| tanghus | Is it supposed to take over an hour to update the phone? | 11:31 |
| smokex | honestly none of us have been able to figure out what "in picking" means | 11:31 |
| *** prometoys has left #jollamobile | 11:31 | |
| *** prometoys has joined #jollamobile | 11:31 | |
| smokex | although people that box things for shipping in factories/warehouses are usually called picker/packers | 11:32 |
| prometoys | Quu, I have problems to send mails. any way to debug the mail client? | 11:32 |
| peakki | smokex: in finland it has ment that the package has been handed to the deliver. | 11:32 |
| *** fk_lx has joined #jollamobile | 11:33 | |
| *** Yaniel^ has joined #jollamobile | 11:33 | |
| smokex | ahh | 11:33 |
| celeron55 | webshops usually call it "shipped" | 11:33 |
| peakki | smokex: in this jolla case. the word picking for me means something else but... | 11:33 |
| Tofe | From connman 1.20 changelog, 10 dec 2013: " * Completely ignore Ad-Hoc WiFi networks" | 11:33 |
| *** simbrown has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| Venemo | smokex: that's what I thought! | 11:34 |
| Tofe | -> looks like connman doesn't even want to support it | 11:34 |
| peakki | prometoys: i have the same problem with one account | 11:34 |
| *** nander has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| Venemo | Tofe: long ago I recommended dumping connman and using networkmanager but nobody listens to me | 11:34 |
| Venemo | tanghus: so why don't they call them? | 11:34 |
| peakki | prometoys: http://murobbs.plaza.fi/1712267254-post4.html you can try that tip | 11:35 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: so, you're gonna get it already... | 11:36 |
| AL13N_work | :-( | 11:36 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: why is that a sad smiley? | 11:36 |
| *** niqt has quit IRC | 11:36 | |
| AL13N_work | i only ordered last night | 11:36 |
| *** simbrown has joined #jollamobile | 11:36 | |
| AL13N_work | it'll be 4 weeks before i get there | 11:36 |
| *** lizardo has joined #jollamobile | 11:36 | |
| AL13N_work | at elast | 11:36 |
| *** niqt has joined #jollamobile | 11:36 | |
| prometoys | peakki, thx, (time to learn suomi?!) :D | 11:36 |
| Tofe | Venemo: yes, connman seems to want to decide what is best for us, instead of giving the choice | 11:36 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: I waited for it for 7 months, what's your 4 weeks compared to that? | 11:36 |
| AL13N_work | I waited 4 weeks later, cause i didn't even know Jolla existed :-) | 11:37 |
| peakki | prometoys: i can help :) | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | it's not because i didn't know it existed, that i didn't wait :-) | 11:37 |
| Venemo | surely | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: i always wanted a real linux phone that didn't limit me | 11:37 |
| AL13N_work | finally, i'm getting it | 11:37 |
| prometoys | peakki, even without google translate i have an idea tigeli recommends ;) | 11:38 |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 11:38 | |
| smokex | its nice being able to nano all the low level configs in terminal | 11:38 |
| peakki | prometoys: good :) for me the tip didn't work, or i did something wrong.. | 11:38 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: have you not heard of the N9(x0)? | 11:38 |
| smokex | edit all the images to suit my taste | 11:38 |
| smokex | etc | 11:38 |
| * prometoys thinks he should had learned suomi years ago... | 11:39 | |
| smokex | the N9 phones still perform considerably well even with sailfish | 11:39 |
| Tofe | smokex: sailfish is a quite light OS, I would say | 11:40 |
| smokex | the security on N9 still limited it alot | 11:41 |
| Tofe | ah, nothing beats a N900... until now ? | 11:41 |
| smokex | open mode detection and subsequent locking of some low level access is a pita | 11:41 |
| Tofe | maybe until there is a qwerty OH :p | 11:41 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: yes, but i wasn't able to get it | 11:42 |
| AL13N_work | not really widely available | 11:42 |
| AL13N_work | and still, it's not as open as jolla is now | 11:42 |
| smokex | they will need to make some changes to how input is detected before making a hardware keyboard other half | 11:42 |
| kor | smokex: what does it lock? | 11:42 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: plus, it was dead before launch | 11:42 |
| *** pemontto_ has joined #jollamobile | 11:43 | |
| Tofe | smokex: we can always try with a USB keyboard if it works :) | 11:43 |
| *** pemontto_ has quit IRC | 11:44 | |
| dTA | i wish i had some info on the OS side of the i2c implementation though | 11:44 |
| *** isto has joined #jollamobile | 11:45 | |
| smokex | I've already tested hw keyboard on sailfish with the N950 | 11:45 |
| *** pemontto1 has joined #jollamobile | 11:45 | |
| Tofe | smokex: oh, good, and ? | 11:45 |
| smokex | most of the text inputs assume a soft keyboard and thus inablility to push caps button at same time as another key | 11:46 |
| AL13N_work | oh, ic | 11:46 |
| smokex | and it actually prints the caps press to the text edit | 11:46 |
| *** istoh has joined #jollamobile | 11:46 | |
| AL13N_work | lol | 11:46 |
| *** pemontto1 has quit IRC | 11:46 | |
| AL13N_work | smokex: iow, it needs some work | 11:46 |
| Tofe | smokex: ok, so the input is not rerouted depending on keyboard hw/sw detection | 11:46 |
| *** pemontto1 has joined #jollamobile | 11:46 | |
| celeron55 | dTA: i'd be interested in it too; i guess they'll be preparing some documentation eventually | 11:47 |
| *** qqK has joined #jollamobile | 11:47 | |
| smokex | Tofe: some of the logic is slightly wrong | 11:47 |
| dTA | they are and it was confirmed here, just i'd like it now instead of later :P | 11:47 |
| smokex | taking a look at the desktop components text edit code would probably help | 11:47 |
| smokex | Qt Desktop qml components | 11:48 |
| Tofe | smokex: well, it's supposed to be Qt5 + Qml + maliit, and maliit should just get out of the way when a hw keyboard is there | 11:48 |
| Tofe | (simple to say, hard to fix, I guess :p ) | 11:48 |
| Kiranos | no new news about mms? :) | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | Kiranos: i'm actually hoping they let it die | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | though, i'll not be lucky for this | 11:49 |
| Kiranos | I hope not :) | 11:49 |
| *** isto has quit IRC | 11:49 | |
| ssirkia | smokex: did you figure out how to fix the edge-swipe-orientation on jolla@950? (v1.0.0.5) | 11:49 |
| *** miksuh has quit IRC | 11:49 | |
| AL13N_work | anyway, it's a feature, they said new features only Q1/2014 | 11:49 |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 11:49 | |
| smokex | nah we're still working on that too in #n950club | 11:50 |
| Tofe | AL13N_work: let's just try not to brick the device before Q1. | 11:50 |
| ssirkia | smokex: thanks! | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: haha, fat chance | 11:50 |
| smokex | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23n950club/ | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | Tofe: allthough, i'm sure, i will not be able to brick my jolla this year, since i'm only receiving it next year | 11:51 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: anyway, the good news is that you're finally getting it :) | 11:51 |
| AL13N_work | Venemo: the webshop opened alot earlier than i though | 11:51 |
| AL13N_work | *thought | 11:51 |
| AL13N_work | but the real good news is that my wife accepted | 11:51 |
| *** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile | 11:51 | |
| AL13N_work | otoh, i think she's actually curious | 11:52 |
| smokex | yw ssirkia :) | 11:52 |
| Venemo | AL13N_work: what does this have to do with your wife? | 11:52 |
| *** BeholdMyGlory has joined #jollamobile | 11:54 | |
| prometoys | is the official mail client supposed to support IMAP push? | 11:54 |
| *** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away | 11:55 | |
| *** sledges has quit IRC | 11:56 | |
| Venemo | btw, is there any way we can get any other colored other halves? | 11:57 |
| *** cheb has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| Venemo | also, does the jolla support 64GB microsd cards? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | it does, but, you need to format it with btrfs or ext4 | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | no exfat support | 11:58 |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 11:59 | |
| peakki | Venemo: jolla informed this week that other halves and batteries are going to be available later on their store | 11:59 |
| smokex | exfat inherently doesn't support drives that size iirc | 11:59 |
| Venemo | I would never have guessed that they'll be available "later" :P | 11:59 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: great! can I format it with the jolla itself? | 12:00 |
| kor | smokex: wut | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: with developer mode, the UI support isn't really there | 12:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I meant via the terminal | 12:00 |
| smokex | oh wait | 12:00 |
| smokex | reading about it now | 12:00 |
| *** DrainBamaged has quit IRC | 12:01 | |
| smokex | Scalability to large disk sizes: 64 ZiB[nb 2] theoretical max, 512 TiB recommended max, raised from the 32-bit limit (2 TiB for sector size 512) of FAT32 partitions.[10] | 12:01 |
| *** DrainBamaged has joined #jollamobile | 12:01 | |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: aye | 12:01 |
| smokex | its probably not supported because... | 12:03 |
| smokex | Microsoft has not released the official exFAT file system specification, and a restrictive license from Microsoft is required in order to make and distribute exFAT implementations. Microsoft also asserts patents on exFAT which make it impossible to re-implement its functionality in a compatible way without violating a large percentage of them.[14] This renders the implementation, distribution, and use of exFAT as a part of free | 12:03 |
| *** thommy_ka has quit IRC | 12:03 | |
| kor | meh. there's a module for it already | 12:03 |
| kor | with fuse support, it should work | 12:03 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 12:03 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 12:03 | |
| tachikom1 | nice, looks like opensuse handles mtp:// stuff pretty well | 12:04 |
| *** ighea has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| smokex | None of the solutions can become an official part of Linux due to the patent encumbered status of the exFAT filesystem. | 12:05 |
| *** ighea has joined #jollamobile | 12:05 | |
| *** wave has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** pesasa has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** chouchoune has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** starkers has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** AL13N_work has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** wave has joined #jollamobile | 12:05 | |
| *** starkers has joined #jollamobile | 12:06 | |
| *** pesasa has joined #jollamobile | 12:06 | |
| tachikom1 | hrm, copying 3gb of music to the phone - now it constantly vibrates and pops up "usb connected" | 12:07 |
| tachikom1 | and then the mtp connection died | 12:08 |
| tachikom1 | argl | 12:08 |
| Yaniel^ | fortunately scp works nicely | 12:08 |
| Yaniel^ | or sshfs - if I could use it atm | 12:08 |
| tachikom1 | just now it does it every time i plug it in | 12:08 |
| smokex | oh sweet | 12:09 |
| Venemo | okay, so next mission is to buy a 64GB microSD before the Jolla arrives | 12:09 |
| smokex | would be fun to see an ssh based sync application | 12:09 |
| mcfrisk | it's called rsync | 12:09 |
| *** prometoys has quit IRC | 12:09 | |
| tachikom1 | the problem with scp is that i can't connect to the wpa enterprise network here atm | 12:09 |
| mcfrisk | tachikom1: usb networking in developer mode, ssh and rsync. | 12:10 |
| smokex | I mean something like the nokia sync apps | 12:10 |
| smokex | ... | 12:10 |
| tachikom1 | mcfrisk: yeah, that came to my mind, how do i setup usb networking, never did that before | 12:10 |
| kor | smokex: well, who needs it in official linux as long as it's in a available non-free repo? | 12:10 |
| Yaniel^ | tachikom1: what os? | 12:11 |
| tachikom1 | linux | 12:11 |
| kor | easy. | 12:11 |
| kor | plug in and use | 12:11 |
| tachikom1 | i guess so, just never done before, already googling | 12:11 |
| tachikom1 | that easy? | 12:11 |
| smokex | oh yeah sailfish or mer do have a non-oss repo don't they | 12:11 |
| Yaniel^ | tachikom1: plug the phone in, select "developer mode" | 12:11 |
| smokex | or maybe it was the nemo repos | 12:11 |
| tachikom1 | alreaadyb on developer mode | 12:11 |
| pp_ | sshfs :-) | 12:11 |
| kor | might have to set up ip:s if it doesn't do some automatic private ip | 12:11 |
| Yaniel^ | then ifconfig or iproute should show it | 12:11 |
| Trizt | what was the url to the google doc? | 12:12 |
| Trizt | thought I should update myself to delivered | 12:12 |
| *** AL13N_work has joined #jollamobile | 12:12 | |
| Yaniel^ | just give yourself an ip on that connection and you're good to go | 12:12 |
| kor | Yaniel^: it shows it in the dev mode page | 12:12 |
| Guest92616 | this has probably been asked before, but is there a way to select text on Jolla? for instance, in messaging app. | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | what is the name of teh interface | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | rndis0 ? | 12:13 |
| Yaniel^ | tachikom1: depends on your system | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | i mean on the phone | 12:13 |
| smokex | Guest92616: I think long press starts the selection? | 12:13 |
| Yaniel^ | ah, no need to do anything on the phone | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | on my linux workstation i don;t see anything listed by ifconfig | 12:13 |
| Yaniel^ | you can change the ip it sets to itself via settings -> developer mode | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | i mean - what is the interface name on the phone side - rndis0? | 12:14 |
| Yaniel^ | did you select developer mode when it asked for usb connection mode? | 12:14 |
| Yaniel^ | I have no idea actually | 12:14 |
| tachikom1 | yes i did | 12:14 |
| tachikom1 | let me compare developer mode settings with the interfaces ips | 12:14 |
| kor | tachikom1: well, you need usb-net on your linux system too | 12:15 |
| tachikom1 | yes, must be rndis0, same ip as the configured one | 12:15 |
| kor | if that's not loaded or built in, you'll have to load it, without that it won't work. strange though that you can't see the interface | 12:15 |
| tachikom1 | ifconfig -a did the trick on the liunx workstation, usb0 interface did not show up otherwise | 12:16 |
| AL13N_work | wouldn't hotplug udev start it automagically? | 12:16 |
| Yaniel^ | tachikom1: yes -a might be necessary | 12:16 |
| AL13N_work | tachikom1: ifconfig by default shows only up devices | 12:16 |
| tachikom1 | ok, working, thanks | 12:17 |
| Yaniel^ | ip link showed it to me automatically | 12:17 |
| tachikom1 | set ip and can login | 12:17 |
| tachikom1 | great | 12:17 |
| *** vladest has quit IRC | 12:17 | |
| tachikom1 | will be able to listen to music on my way home today :) | 12:17 |
| AL13N_work | Yaniel^: "ip" is much better than ifconfig | 12:17 |
| Yaniel^ | iproute2 you mean | 12:18 |
| *** chouchoune has joined #jollamobile | 12:18 | |
| AL13N_work | yes | 12:18 |
| Yaniel^ | well I haven't played with ifconfig much so I would not know :P | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | the ip command | 12:18 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 12:18 | |
| tachikom1 | AL13N_work: i agree, but old habits die slowly | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | specifically | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | tachikom1: yes | 12:18 |
| AL13N_work | tachikom1: but it's still a _lot_ more powerful | 12:19 |
| AL13N_work | same thing with iwconfig vs iw | 12:19 |
| tachikom1 | i would not have thought usb networking is that trivial, learned soemthing new today | 12:19 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 12:19 |
| Yaniel^ | it is surprisingly easy & totally works | 12:19 |
| mcfrisk | fwiw: setting up static IP for jolla usb0 device with a specific mac address was easy in network manager gui, debian unstable. Now plug and play works, ssh connection restored after a 10 minute phone call without USB cable. | 12:19 |
| *** lizardo has joined #jollamobile | 12:19 | |
| * AL13N_work doesn't like NM | 12:20 | |
| AL13N_work | it doesn't support everything | 12:20 |
| *** stezz1 has quit IRC | 12:20 | |
| *** thessy has joined #jollamobile | 12:20 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has joined #jollamobile | 12:21 | |
| AL13N_work | "ip" actually should need briding and bonding support imho :-) | 12:21 |
| *** prometoys has joined #jollamobile | 12:21 | |
| AL13N_work | well, especially bonding | 12:21 |
| Milo- | Is anyone else having issues with music player's song recognition (id3)? mine is mostly showing songs to have 00:00 length and artist/title is missing. example: http://u.meelo.org/jolla/songlist.png | 12:21 |
| prometoys | mhh, i got disconnected... so I ask again: where is ag-tool documented | 12:21 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: VBR? | 12:21 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: or access denied? | 12:22 |
| Milo- | VBR? | 12:22 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: maybe you forgot to chown nemo or something | 12:22 |
| AL13N_work | Variable Bit Rate | 12:22 |
| *** thessy has left #jollamobile | 12:22 | |
| Milo- | hmm. don't know | 12:22 |
| AL13N_work | determining length for VBR is difficult | 12:22 |
| *** thessy has joined #jollamobile | 12:23 | |
| *** thessy has left #jollamobile | 12:23 | |
| AL13N_work | also ID3 v1 or ID3 v2 ? | 12:23 |
| Trizt | Milo: which versio of id3 ? | 12:23 |
| Yaniel^ | prometoys: ag-tool? | 12:23 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: can you actually play those files? | 12:24 |
| *** stephg has left #jollamobile | 12:24 | |
| Milo- | AL13N_work I can, and they work just nicely. | 12:24 |
| *** stephg has joined #jollamobile | 12:25 | |
| Milo- | http://codepad.org/lVSjtYY2 id3info for one of the songs shown as 00:00 | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: may be a bug, | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | aaah | 12:25 |
| Milo- | Jolla dislikes nokia music? | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | id3 v1 thus | 12:26 |
| *** thessy has joined #jollamobile | 12:26 | |
| AL13N_work | hehe | 12:26 |
| prometoys | Yaniel^, it seems to be a account manager cli for the terminal | 12:27 |
| Milo- | so jolla only supports id3v2? | 12:27 |
| AL13N_work | no, only ID3v1 | 12:27 |
| Milo- | oh. | 12:27 |
| Wnt | is anyone else experiencing huge lag issues on the phone? my load average was over 36 and I had to reboot the phone | 12:27 |
| AL13N_work | although perhaps the nokia file is not according to standards | 12:27 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: i can't see this 00:00 in your link? | 12:28 |
| Wnt | I suspect that contactsd is causing the issue as it often consimes 50 - 90% CPU time | 12:28 |
| Guest92616 | smokex: thank you, this is it. | 12:28 |
| *** thessy has left #jollamobile | 12:28 | |
| *** thessy has joined #jollamobile | 12:28 | |
| *** thessy has left #jollamobile | 12:28 | |
| Milo- | AL13N_work songlist.png? | 12:28 |
| Milo- | left column, 8th element from the top (or 5th from the bottom) | 12:28 |
| Wnt | killing contactsd doesn't seem to helo. it just restarts and continues to to consume CPU time | 12:28 |
| AL13N_work | aah, ok, i see that i misread | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: perhaps this file isn't according to standards | 12:29 |
| Wnt | another process often high on the top-commands list is the alien dalvik process | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: try running it through ffmpeg | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | see if it improves | 12:29 |
| Wnt | even if I have no android applications running | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | Wnt: i heards it needs to be running at all times, or the android apps would take 30s to start or something | 12:30 |
| Milo- | AL13N_work sounds like a painful process to go through for all audio files. | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: of course, just one file, just to test and see if it's according to standards, or there's a Jolla bug | 12:30 |
| Milo- | ah | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | though, scripting would make it easy to process all files, if really required | 12:31 |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 12:32 | |
| Milo- | while it would be an easy process, it still seems like unnecessary. | 12:33 |
| *** edgar2_ has joined #jollamobile | 12:33 | |
| Milo- | I'd rather go through N9's media player's code than write a script that converts all audio files. :) | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: yes, it does seem unecessary | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: get cracking! | 12:34 |
| Milo- | AL13N_work I'm not familiar with ffmpeg's (de)coding options, do you have some specific flags in mind? | 12:34 |
| Milo- | ffmpeg -i file.mp3 -f mp3 file2.mp3 ? | 12:34 |
| artemma | Still "in picking" preorder. *sigh* | 12:35 |
| nahkiss | finally, jolla is waiting for me on the post office! | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: the -f mp3 is likely still uncessary :-) | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | possibly some kind of rate settings, i donno what rate it uses by default, but likely low | 12:36 |
| nahkiss | where was the google doc spreadsheet about phone deliviries? | 12:36 |
| nahkiss | gotta update dat | 12:36 |
| Milo- | AL13N_work oh. you just want to know the id3-data which ffmpeg reports? not actually re-code the file? | 12:37 |
| Pnuu | nahkiss: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=drive_web#gid=1 | 12:37 |
| nahkiss | thank! | 12:37 |
| nahkiss | s | 12:37 |
| nahkiss | actually, my order is still in "Paid." so not sure how to update that | 12:38 |
| Milo- | ffmpeg -i Almost\ Easy.mp3 almost.mp3 => result: all id3-data vanishes and 256KBps bitrate turns into 32KBps bitrape. | 12:39 |
| nahkiss | as my status hasn't changed even if the phone is here :P | 12:39 |
| cvp | woohoo german most buyer :D | 12:39 |
| leinir | cvp: or, more to the point, most German people have filled out the spreadsheet ;) | 12:39 |
| cvp | true ;) | 12:39 |
| leinir | which, given the lack of entries, could also be interpreted as "German people love spreadsheets" ;) | 12:40 |
| leinir | (mmm, statistics ;) ) | 12:40 |
| cvp | never belive a statistics if you dont fake it self ;) | 12:40 |
| leinir | *giggles* Indeed :) | 12:40 |
| the_mgt | germans do book keeping for illegal accounts and bribes... | 12:43 |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 12:44 | |
| the_mgt | i just hate google too much, i would have entered that i paid on 25/11 and received my phone last friday, while the shop still showed "in picking" and i received a mail "your phone was shipped" just the very day it got delivered | 12:44 |
| the_mgt | "in picking" was there for about a week | 12:45 |
| *** ZogG_laptop has joined #jollamobile | 12:48 | |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 12:48 | |
| prometoys | peakki, i could fix it, i can send mail now | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: i was thinking of recoding the file, yes, to see if it worked | 12:50 |
| prometoys | peakki, i can try to help you, if you still have the problem | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | Milo-: perhaps add -r 256 between the files | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | cvp: lol | 12:51 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 12:51 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 12:52 | |
| *** stezz has joined #jollamobile | 12:54 | |
| sharpneli | Jolla supported libSDL2? | 12:54 |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 12:55 | |
| AL13N_work | sharpneli: you should check the supported api list | 12:55 |
| AL13N_work | i forgot the link | 12:56 |
| prometoys | w00t, you mentioned ag-tool, do you know a documentation (or "official" page) | 12:56 |
| Milo- | AL13N_work id3tags still disappear. | 12:57 |
| *** pawky|2 has quit IRC | 12:57 | |
| *** pawky|2 has joined #jollamobile | 12:58 | |
| w00t | prometoys: ag-tool --help | 12:58 |
| *** xmlich02 has joined #jollamobile | 12:59 | |
| prometoys | w00t, thx, but i would like to understand, what the values mean, which are available | 12:59 |
| w00t | prometoys: I don't know anything more than that | 12:59 |
| prometoys | w00t, but just remembered that it is part of libaccount-glib, and will check there | 13:00 |
| *** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC | 13:01 | |
| *** triggerhappy has quit IRC | 13:06 | |
| *** triggerhappy has joined #jollamobile | 13:07 | |
| *** pdanek has joined #jollamobile | 13:10 | |
| pdanek | HA | 13:10 |
| pdanek | by reference: Shipment information sent to FedEx | 13:11 |
| pdanek | today, 6:12 am | 13:11 |
| Venemo | congrats pdanek | 13:11 |
| *** KaIRC has joined #jollamobile | 13:12 | |
| pdanek | but estimated delivery: 27th :( | 13:12 |
| pdanek | So it won't be under the Christmas Tree | 13:12 |
| pdanek | it's kind of present from my family members | 13:12 |
| pdanek | they paid part of it | 13:12 |
| *** stephg has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** sledges has joined #jollamobile | 13:16 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 13:16 | |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 13:17 | |
| *** miksuh has joined #jollamobile | 13:21 | |
| *** blaroche has joined #jollamobile | 13:26 | |
| *** itbaron has joined #jollamobile | 13:26 | |
| *** vladest has joined #jollamobile | 13:28 | |
| *** pvilja has quit IRC | 13:29 | |
| *** niqt has quit IRC | 13:29 | |
| prometoys | is there somewhere a accessible sailfish bug tracker? | 13:30 |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:30 | |
| *** ericcc_ has quit IRC | 13:31 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:32 | |
| *** valdur55 has quit IRC | 13:34 | |
| *** crysaz has quit IRC | 13:35 | |
| *** valdur55 has joined #jollamobile | 13:35 | |
| *** crysaz has joined #jollamobile | 13:35 | |
| *** Dima^ has quit IRC | 13:36 | |
| Kiranos | prometoys: no not yet but something similar will go public soon http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/jolla-co-creation-platform-is-on-the-way/ | 13:36 |
| *** Dima^ has joined #jollamobile | 13:36 | |
| prometoys | Kirano, thanks. saw that already. Where should I report bugs until that site is online? | 13:38 |
| Yaniel^ | here for example | 13:38 |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:38 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:39 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:42 | |
| *** winfried has joined #jollamobile | 13:42 | |
| prometoys | ok, if the username of a mail account isn't the mail-address, there will be wrong settings in the account and the mail could't be sent or if, it contains wrong sender data | 13:42 |
| Yaniel^ | ehh.. if I have ssh disabled from settings -> developer mode I can still ssh in via usb? | 13:43 |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:43 | |
| flux | I would assume sshd and developer mode go hand-to-hand, but that's just guessing | 13:44 |
| flux | I mean, you cannot anymore set the nemo password easily from the gui if you don't have developer mode enabled.. | 13:44 |
| tachikom1 | Yaniel^: i could not devel-su anymore when disabling ssh access | 13:44 |
| tachikom1 | the password is unset then | 13:44 |
| flux | but the ssh still works? | 13:44 |
| flux | maybe it's not a feature :-) | 13:45 |
| tachikom1 | that i'm unsure about, the option only mentioned "root ssh access" | 13:45 |
| Yaniel^ | ssh still works | 13:45 |
| tachikom1 | however - even with that turned on i could not login as root via ssh directly but only as user nemo using the set password, then devel-su to root | 13:45 |
| Yaniel^ | (with key) | 13:45 |
| tachikom1 | but i was wondering about the ssh running always - thats a battery killer, isn't it? | 13:46 |
| Yaniel^ | sshd seems to be running all the time | 13:46 |
| tachikom1 | at least on the n900 that was really impacting battery life | 13:46 |
| tachikom1 | at least 20% or so | 13:46 |
| tachikom1 | there then was some applet to turn it on/off if needed | 13:46 |
| flux | really? | 13:46 |
| tachikom1 | will there be applets on the main screen? it's kinda empty atm | 13:47 |
| flux | quite surprising. if you're not using sshd, why would it consume anything except perhaps swap.. | 13:47 |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:47 | |
| Yaniel^ | doesn't it still listen on the socket | 13:47 |
| tachikom1 | well, that was my experience | 13:47 |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:47 | |
| tachikom1 | it needs to listen all the time | 13:47 |
| flux | and how much work is listening, really? | 13:47 |
| flux | for each TCP SYN packet kernel still needs to decide if it is going to a user space process or not | 13:48 |
| flux | so nothing is done if there are no such packets coming in | 13:48 |
| flux | and if there such packets coming in, the energy cost of that check is immeasurable | 13:48 |
| tachikom1 | i don;t really thjink this needs a discussion as the battery drain could be meassured using battery monitor | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | tachikom1; it only impacted battery life on n900 when/if someone tried to bruteforce your ssh password | 13:48 |
| tachikom1 | of course it could be some bug in sshd | 13:49 |
| flux | well, there is one factor that could affect it: does sshd regenerate keys periodically? | 13:49 |
| tachikom1 | ShadowJK: lol, not really :) | 13:49 |
| *** Yaniel^ has left #jollamobile | 13:49 | |
| ShadowJK | Other than that, just that the daemon is on has no impact whatsoever on batterylife on n900. | 13:49 |
| tachikom1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41670 | 13:50 |
| tachikom1 | might be some special condition as not everybody seems to have the same experience as me | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | I mean, my spare N900 could sit week or two idle on wifi with sshd enabled. | 13:50 |
| flux | so basically they say no, sshd does not drain battery | 13:50 |
| tachikom1 | so, i propably just am wrong | 13:51 |
| tachikom1 | yep | 13:51 |
| * tachikom1 slaps himself | 13:51 | |
| *** cvp has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| ShadowJK | But I did have many instances of ssh enabled when on 3g, and someone tryong to bruteforce the password. | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | Noticed it when pocket got warm :) | 13:52 |
| tachikom1 | really? | 13:52 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:52 |
| tachikom1 | well, maybe that also happened to me | 13:52 |
| tachikom1 | i had only passkey based login enabled, so no real issue but of course it would keep ssh busy | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | Since then my operator put me behind NAT though, so it no longer happens | 13:53 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 13:53 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:53 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:54 | |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 13:55 | |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 13:55 | |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 13:56 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 13:57 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 13:58 | |
| *** gabriel9|work has joined #jollamobile | 13:58 | |
| *** ced117 has joined #jollamobile | 14:03 | |
| *** Yaniel^ has joined #jollamobile | 14:05 | |
| Yaniel^ | yeah so it looks like sshd is alive and well even when ssh is disabled from settings, just the password is unset | 14:06 |
| Yaniel^ | also, how long are those sshd@x-ip:port.service services running? | 14:06 |
| Yaniel^ | "dedicated server process for connection" | 14:07 |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 14:13 | |
| *** faenil has quit IRC | 14:13 | |
| *** lardman|home has quit IRC | 14:20 | |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 14:23 | |
| *** wickwire has joined #jollamobile | 14:27 | |
| *** miksuh has quit IRC | 14:30 | |
| metallisto | is it possible to use the front can for skype? if not, will it be possible soon? | 14:32 |
| tachikom1 | mh, when opening a mail from the notification screen- the mailer shows only a white page | 14:33 |
| tachikom1 | going back to the list of mails and clicking on the mail again - shows the content proprly | 14:33 |
| tachikom1 | that is weird | 14:33 |
| Venemo | tachikom1: same bug is on Firefox OS and sometimes on Harmattan | 14:34 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 14:35 | |
| *** pdanek has quit IRC | 14:35 | |
| tachikom1 | interesting | 14:36 |
| mcfrisk | tachikom1: same bug was mentioned here today, also I see it. | 14:36 |
| *** lizardo has joined #jollamobile | 14:36 | |
| *** svuorela has joined #jollamobile | 14:36 | |
| Jonni | metallisto: yes front cam support should be coming soon in updates. | 14:39 |
| svuorela | hmm... some people I've seen before | 14:39 |
| Jonni | so currently, no camera support in android, but expect updates to fix it. | 14:39 |
| *** sledges has quit IRC | 14:46 | |
| *** nsuffys has quit IRC | 14:51 | |
| *** piee has joined #jollamobile | 14:52 | |
| *** sledges has joined #jollamobile | 14:53 | |
| *** sledges has quit IRC | 14:53 | |
| *** sledges has joined #jollamobile | 14:53 | |
| *** phinaliumz has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| *** piee_ has joined #jollamobile | 14:56 | |
| *** piee has quit IRC | 14:56 | |
| *** piee_ has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| Trizt | Jonni: is there some kind of public roadmap telling in which order features will be implemented? | 14:57 |
| *** Yaniel^ has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| ShadowJK | The more interesting question would be whether there's an internal roadmap telling in which order things will be done | 14:58 |
| pp_ | Trizt: https://github.com/nemomobile helps a bit | 14:59 |
| Jonni | Trizt: there will be some tool coming, which will bring some light on that topic :) | 14:59 |
| *** nciked_ has joined #jollamobile | 14:59 | |
| *** nciked has quit IRC | 14:59 | |
| Pnuu | there must be some kind of roadmap which is(?) then used as a base for together.jolla.com | 14:59 |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 14:59 | |
| *** Sinbad has quit IRC | 15:00 | |
| *** anonfriese_ has joined #jollamobile | 15:00 | |
| artemma | Jonni: BTW, have you seen BlackBerry's roadmaps for developers? http://developer.blackberry.com/native/downloads/roadmap/ | 15:00 |
| *** nciked__ has joined #jollamobile | 15:00 | |
| artemma | I found this format very useful when planning development for BB | 15:01 |
| *** Sinbad has joined #jollamobile | 15:01 | |
| artemma | certainly it assumes that priorities are sort of known and don't change heavily | 15:01 |
| Trizt | artemma: nice page they had, made me to want to get somewhere warmer | 15:01 |
| *** danielcbit has quit IRC | 15:02 | |
| Pnuu | s/warmer/colder/ | 15:02 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 15:02 | |
| Venemo | artemma: yes, "TBD" and "DELAYED" are indeed very useful | 15:02 |
| Trizt | or CANCELLED | 15:02 |
| *** gabriel9|work has quit IRC | 15:03 | |
| *** nciked_ has quit IRC | 15:03 | |
| w00t | Venemo: is that a hint of sarcasm? :p | 15:03 |
| artemma | Trizt: that page WAS useful. E.g. what was important for me it provided confirmation that headless apps were going to be allowed and provided rough expectations for it | 15:03 |
| *** lizardo has joined #jollamobile | 15:04 | |
| artemma | by now this roadmap is just sorta finished. Maybe they'll get a new one | 15:04 |
| * Trizt nods | 15:04 | |
| *** Guest92616 has quit IRC | 15:05 | |
| *** danielcbit has joined #jollamobile | 15:06 | |
| *** wickwire has quit IRC | 15:07 | |
| *** veskuh has quit IRC | 15:07 | |
| *** piee has joined #jollamobile | 15:07 | |
| *** nander has joined #jollamobile | 15:08 | |
| nander | Still only in picking.. | 15:08 |
| artemma | nander: same here. Sigh | 15:08 |
| nander | that means: not before christmas... | 15:08 |
| Trizt | got mine today, it's at home and waiting | 15:08 |
| Trizt | nah, you still have monday | 15:08 |
| artemma | well, crowdsourced table tells about 1/3rd of preorders are "in picking" and quite many are just "Paid" even | 15:08 |
| nander | For it to et shipped | 15:08 |
| nander | get* | 15:08 |
| artemma | sure real situation is much better, than the crowdsourced one, but how much? | 15:09 |
| svuorela | can one sync contacts and stuff from n9 ? | 15:09 |
| nander | The paid ones are mostly ones at too low numbers | 15:09 |
| nander | People too lazy | 15:09 |
| *** FiSHBoY has joined #jollamobile | 15:09 | |
| nander | Only delivery days left in 2013: 23, 24, 26, 27 | 15:10 |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 15:10 | |
| nander | 26 is already tricky here | 15:10 |
| nander | Also a holiday | 15:10 |
| nander | And 27 is chaos, loads of packages as well | 15:10 |
| Venemo | nander ++ | 15:11 |
| pettter | is anyone getting the twitter feed to work? | 15:11 |
| * artemma leaves for a short vacation on 22nd and not sure I'll be willing to adopt new phone on one day before it.. so to late for me already | 15:11 | |
| Bysmyyr | pettter: yep | 15:11 |
| tanghus | svuorela: I got contacts to sync, nothing else | 15:11 |
| svuorela | tanghus: how ? :) | 15:11 |
| nander | artemma, is yours sent already? | 15:11 |
| artemma | nander: status says "In picking" | 15:12 |
| Trizt | 45 mins before I can walk the path back home to play with my x-mas present to myself | 15:12 |
| nander | https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/index.html | 15:12 |
| tanghus | svuorela: http://www.jollatides.com/2013/11/29/how-to-sync-jolla-with-nokia-n9/ | 15:12 |
| nander | You can try your number with loads of 0's in that field | 15:12 |
| pettter | Bysmyyr: aah, Sync had to be enabled | 15:12 |
| peakki | svuorela: you can sync contacts by exporting them from N9 as .vcf, and then importing to jolla (via BT or first to PC and then to jolla via usb) | 15:13 |
| Trizt | anyone synced n900/jolla ? | 15:13 |
| peakki | tanghus: i didn't get that to happen. have to try again :D | 15:13 |
| nander | what, a guy in slovenia has 27th as estimated delivery date already | 15:16 |
| nander | slovakia* | 15:16 |
| *** piee has quit IRC | 15:16 | |
| pettter | Why is the Play Store so stupid as to disallow downloading the actual .apk:s? | 15:16 |
| nander | drm | 15:17 |
| pettter | for free apps? | 15:17 |
| pettter | So. Stupid. | 15:17 |
| pp_ | for google, no. | 15:17 |
| Bysmyyr | google want to geep everyting treir own hands | 15:17 |
| pp_ | for end-users, yes. | 15:17 |
| Bysmyyr | keep* | 15:18 |
| svuorela | tanghus: those seems to fail for me. the n9 doesn't give the options that the page seems to be claiming | 15:18 |
| nander | Do you have pr 1.3? | 15:18 |
| svuorela | on the n9? of course | 15:19 |
| tanghus | svuorela: first you have to pair the devices, then go back to settings and then sync | 15:19 |
| tanghus | The instructions are rather vague | 15:19 |
| nander | it seems jolla is failing badly | 15:19 |
| svuorela | tanghus: the sync app on n9 seems to claim that bluetooth is off :/ | 15:19 |
| nander | My order seems to be lost | 15:19 |
| nander | Loads of higher numbers have been sent already | 15:19 |
| *** piee has joined #jollamobile | 15:19 | |
| tanghus | svuorela: Have you turned bluetooth on? ;) | 15:19 |
| *** jubo2 has joined #jollamobile | 15:20 | |
| svuorela | ofc | 15:20 |
| *** siwy2 has joined #jollamobile | 15:20 | |
| svuorela | and they seem to think that they are paired | 15:20 |
| *** mindflash has joined #jollamobile | 15:20 | |
| *** mindflash has joined #jollamobile | 15:20 | |
| svuorela | in the bluetooth screens, but not in the n9 on sync screen | 15:21 |
| Trizt | nander: people in UK/Ireland got theirs before mine was announced to fedex, the order is not just the order number, but the dates when you did register you preorder and when you did pay, at least that is my conclution | 15:21 |
| tanghus | svuorela: I can't help you there, sry | 15:21 |
| nander | I'm looking at the in picking vs shipped | 15:21 |
| peakki | svuorela: i tried to sync calender and memos, didn't work :( | 15:22 |
| nander | People with in picking after me have already shipped | 15:22 |
| svuorela | peakki: I can't even get it to get that far | 15:23 |
| *** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile | 15:24 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 15:24 | |
| svuorela | tanghus: I'll just drop by your home and you can show me :P | 15:25 |
| peakki | svuorela: suomeksi? | 15:25 |
| svuorela | peakki: nope. | 15:26 |
| svuorela | tanskaleinen | 15:26 |
| *** cheb has joined #jollamobile | 15:27 | |
| peakki | svuorela: okay :) well go to settings, system settings, bluetooth, does it state "visibility: on" and on "paired devices" your N9? | 15:28 |
| Venemo | Trizt: it seems that they don't care about neither the date of your preorder, nor the value of your preorder. I had a 100€ preorder on 20th may and TheBootroo had a 0€ preorder on 22nd may and he's already received it and i haven't | 15:28 |
| *** TheBootroo has quit IRC | 15:28 | |
| * Stskeeps just got tracking data for his showing up on fedex | 15:29 | |
| pettter | So, it would seem that this works to get your SMS history restored onto a jolla: http://slideme.org/application/sms-backup-restore | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | expected 23rd | 15:29 |
| Trizt | Venemo: yeah that kind of suxx, but at least you get one extra other half which we 0€ don't get | 15:29 |
| svuorela | peakki: I ended up rebooting the n9, and then it worked. | 15:30 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: congrats :) | 15:30 |
| Venemo | btw I've just seen Jonni's wireless charging other half! it's awesome :) | 15:31 |
| tanghus | svuorela: great | 15:31 |
| peakki | svuorela: okay great. | 15:31 |
| atlaz | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1488312_10152055565179286_1586607715_n.jpg + http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1492751_10152055662984286_581863950_o.jpg my xmas-project | 15:32 |
| atlaz | I got a feeling i'll be missing a thumb or two by the end of the year | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | good thing you can operate jolla with one hand | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:33 |
| peakki | atlaz: hope not, i'm my experience jolla is easier to use with two hands than with one (remember marc dillon) | 15:34 |
| peakki | lets say that at least writing is much easier.. | 15:34 |
| atlaz | Well Jolla is missing landscape-mode, so i'll cope with one thumb until the update | 15:34 |
| Venemo | atlaz: what's that? | 15:35 |
| atlaz | They prolly got pretty good prostethics in 10-20 years anyway | 15:35 |
| atlaz | Venemo: im building an arcade cabinet. Gonna house raspberry pi running PiMAME | 15:35 |
| pettter | hrm | 15:35 |
| pettter | nvm, that didn't work | 15:36 |
| *** Frye has quit IRC | 15:36 | |
| atlaz | http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/r270/1495183_10152046780384286_500784746_o.jpg i got two joystics and 16 arcade buttons last week from the US | 15:36 |
| svuorela | can I play full screen youtube videos on my phone ? | 15:36 |
| *** arcean has quit IRC | 15:37 | |
| Bysmyyr | svuorela: install android youtube | 15:37 |
| *** arcean has joined #jollamobile | 15:37 | |
| *** Frye has joined #jollamobile | 15:38 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 15:38 | |
| *** tanty has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| Venemo | atlaz: what's PiMAME? | 15:39 |
| FiSHBoY | I assume it's MAME for rasberry pi :) | 15:40 |
| FiSHBoY | *raspberry | 15:40 |
| Venemo | what's MAME? | 15:41 |
| FiSHBoY | ah, better question! :) arcade emulator | 15:41 |
| atlaz | MAME stands for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator :) | 15:41 |
| Venemo | never heard of it | 15:41 |
| FiSHBoY | http://mamedev.org/ | 15:41 |
| atlaz | That means that you can run Nintendo, Nintendo 64, old Arcade games etc on your computer | 15:42 |
| Venemo | ah | 15:42 |
| Venemo | ok | 15:42 |
| atlaz | Basically im building an arcade to my workplace so we can fight in Street Fighter II | 15:42 |
| *** master_o1_master has joined #jollamobile | 15:43 | |
| atlaz | Every week a new tournament. He who wins gets to leave at noon on friday ;) | 15:43 |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 15:43 | |
| *** PMG has quit IRC | 15:44 | |
| *** master_of_master has quit IRC | 15:45 | |
| *** Andy80 has quit IRC | 15:48 | |
| pettter | gnr | 15:49 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 15:49 | |
| pettter | HOWTO SMS restore? :( | 15:49 |
| *** lizardo has joined #jollamobile | 15:50 | |
| *** tanty has joined #jollamobile | 15:53 | |
| pettter | So, from that little experiment, one can assume that the android messaging backend is completely disconnected from the Jolla code | 15:54 |
| *** siwy2 has quit IRC | 15:54 | |
| *** FSCV has joined #jollamobile | 15:55 | |
| *** cb400f has joined #jollamobile | 15:57 | |
| *** cb400f has joined #jollamobile | 15:57 | |
| *** Andy80 has joined #jollamobile | 16:00 | |
| *** cheb has quit IRC | 16:04 | |
| *** mfuuu has joined #jollamobile | 16:08 | |
| mfuuu | hi got my jolla phone today and quite happy :) Does anyone use the exchange together with horde? There are no contacts updated or added if I'm working on the jolla - the ones from the server are send to the device correct | 16:08 |
| mfuuu | every change I do is just done locally :( | 16:08 |
| Jonni | currently its one way sync from server to device. 2-way sync might come at some future update. | 16:12 |
| mfuuu | ah ok so nothing I could do atm :) | 16:12 |
| mfuuu | thank you | 16:12 |
| artemma | Jonni: is there any particularly good server to syncing contacts? E.g. Google contacts or owncloud or maybe with desktop? | 16:13 |
| *** jjarven has quit IRC | 16:16 | |
| *** Eismann has joined #jollamobile | 16:20 | |
| *** pvilja has joined #jollamobile | 16:21 | |
| *** anonfriese_ has quit IRC | 16:23 | |
| *** friese has joined #jollamobile | 16:24 | |
| *** nander has quit IRC | 16:26 | |
| *** jjarven has joined #jollamobile | 16:33 | |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 16:34 | |
| AJAX555 | wohoo, got jolla \o/ | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:37 |
| AJAX555 | so, how can I get my twitter account to jolla? | 16:38 |
| svuorela | settings => accounts I presume | 16:39 |
| AJAX555 | yeah, but everytime I try to add it, it starts creating account, and then goes to accounts page | 16:39 |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 16:40 | |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 16:40 | |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: already updated to .12? | 16:40 |
| AJAX555 | oh, it is updating atm | 16:40 |
| *** Kabouik has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| Quu | lol twatter lol | 16:41 |
| *** paju has joined #jollamobile | 16:42 | |
| *** piee has quit IRC | 16:42 | |
| *** eijk has joined #jollamobile | 16:44 | |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| *** xmlich02 has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| *** _al_ has quit IRC | 16:45 | |
| *** stuartmd has quit IRC | 16:47 | |
| *** stuartmd has joined #jollamobile | 16:47 | |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 16:48 | |
| *** prometoys has quit IRC | 16:51 | |
| *** lollo_ has joined #jollamobile | 16:52 | |
| AJAX555 | okay so got .12 now, still can't add twitter account | 16:53 |
| *** krandom has joined #jollamobile | 16:56 | |
| *** npm has quit IRC | 16:56 | |
| svuorela | what's new in .12 ? | 16:57 |
| Quu | nothing | 16:57 |
| AJAX555 | also where can I find my sd card? | 16:58 |
| Quu | shop cert error (or something close to that) was fixed | 16:58 |
| pigletto | AJAX555: I had same issue with adding Twitter account | 16:58 |
| AJAX555 | oh well, it isn't that important.. ;D | 16:58 |
| pigletto | AJAX555: somehow it worked at least | 16:58 |
| *** sameo has quit IRC | 17:03 | |
| AJAX555 | can't wait for other halfs | 17:05 |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 17:05 | |
| Kondou | can one run multiple apps at the same time in sailfish's android layer? | 17:09 |
| Kondou | been tinkering around a bit, and I can't, not sure wether I could before | 17:09 |
| tachikom1 | AJAX555: /var/run/user/10000/media looks suspicious | 17:09 |
| tachikom1 | but i have no sd card atm | 17:10 |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| tachikom1 | i need a keyboad fingerterm drives me nuts with onscreenn keyboard | 17:11 |
| Pnuu | tachikom1: ssh ;-) | 17:12 |
| tachikom1 | on the bus ? | 17:12 |
| tachikom1 | oth with n900 maybe | 17:13 |
| Pnuu | :-D | 17:13 |
| ShadowJK | loose keyboard on bus is also a nightmare | 17:13 |
| ShadowJK | not enough hands | 17:13 |
| tachikom1 | yeah | 17:13 |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| tachikom1 | hrm. i still have a usb wristkeyboard from. my old wearable... | 17:14 |
| AJAX555 | tachikom1: oh sweet, thanks | 17:14 |
| *** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile | 17:15 | |
| *** ssirkia has left #jollamobile | 17:16 | |
| AJAX555 | oh sweet my first phone call using jolla | 17:17 |
| AJAX555 | even though it lasted for only few seconds | 17:17 |
| dTA | :) | 17:18 |
| dTA | that reminds me, need to pair my bt headset with it once i find it | 17:18 |
| dTA | with mine* | 17:18 |
| *** disharmonic has joined #jollamobile | 17:20 | |
| *** miksuh has joined #jollamobile | 17:21 | |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 17:22 | |
| *** jreznik_ has quit IRC | 17:23 | |
| *** lollo_ has quit IRC | 17:25 | |
| *** rcg has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 17:33 | |
| *** simbrown has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| *** Morpog_PC has quit IRC | 17:37 | |
| *** arcean has quit IRC | 17:40 | |
| *** arcean has joined #jollamobile | 17:40 | |
| *** triggerhappy has quit IRC | 17:44 | |
| *** Eztran has joined #jollamobile | 17:49 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 17:50 | |
| *** winfried has quit IRC | 17:55 | |
| *** Eztran_ has joined #jollamobile | 17:57 | |
| *** Eztran has quit IRC | 18:00 | |
| *** stuartmd_ has joined #jollamobile | 18:13 | |
| *** Eztran__ has joined #jollamobile | 18:13 | |
| *** stuartmd has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** Eztran_ has quit IRC | 18:16 | |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| *** martyone has joined #jollamobile | 18:20 | |
| AJAX555 | so umm, how to console? | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | enable developer mode | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | then you'll find fingerterm in your app list | 18:22 |
| AJAX555 | oh | 18:22 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 18:22 | |
| *** tetris4 has joined #jollamobile | 18:26 | |
| *** npm has joined #jollamobile | 18:26 | |
| AJAX555 | ahh | 18:27 |
| *** itbaron has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| AJAX555 | ssh connection <3 | 18:28 |
| AJAX555 | f | 18:29 |
| *** master_o1_master has quit IRC | 18:33 | |
| *** master_of_master has joined #jollamobile | 18:33 | |
| nahkiss | anyone else having problems with voice quality on calls? | 18:34 |
| *** artemma has joined #jollamobile | 18:35 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile | 18:36 | |
| *** AL13N_lizzy has joined #jollamobile | 18:37 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 18:39 | |
| CoderCandy | I'm doubting mine will be shipped until after the weekend | 18:39 |
| CoderCandy | ... that was weird English! | 18:40 |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 18:40 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 18:40 | |
| CoderCandy | I'm doubting mine will be shipped before the weekend* | 18:40 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 18:42 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #jollamobile | 18:43 | |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| *** fk_lx has quit IRC | 18:44 | |
| *** avey has joined #jollamobile | 18:44 | |
| *** Tofe|Away is now known as Tofe | 18:50 | |
| Tofe | Am I the only one to find a bit annoying the current behavior of the fingerterm vkb ? | 18:52 |
| Tofe | I would like to have the choice to manually hide/show the vkb, and when I say hide, I mean totally hide | 18:53 |
| *** martyone has quit IRC | 18:54 | |
| Tofe | also, I wonder if there is a possibility to hack the homescreen a bit, for example to show the date too, etc | 18:55 |
| peakki | Tofe: i agree about terminal & vkg | 18:56 |
| peakki | g=b | 18:56 |
| *** mfulz has joined #jollamobile | 19:00 | |
| *** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC | 19:00 | |
| Pnuu | Tofe: time and date in the background would be nice | 19:00 |
| Pnuu | and date in the peek between lock and home screens | 19:00 |
| mfulz | Are there plans to get carddav / caldav into jolla phones? | 19:01 |
| Tofe | Pnuu: but I'm not sure if that part of the UI is visible as a qml file in the phone | 19:02 |
| w00t | mfulz: yes | 19:02 |
| mfulz | any timelines about it? | 19:03 |
| w00t | Soon™ | 19:03 |
| mfulz | great | 19:03 |
| mfulz | yippie :D | 19:03 |
| w00t | no specific dates | 19:03 |
| Nicd- | w00t: at this point you should use Soon® already ;) | 19:03 |
| w00t | Nicd-: :p | 19:04 |
| Nicd- | although I guess that's registered to valve | 19:04 |
| AJAX555 | so yandex store isn't working atm? | 19:04 |
| mfulz | it is working for me | 19:05 |
| AJAX555 | mm odd | 19:05 |
| Nicd- | AJAX555: captcha problems? register with phone set to english | 19:05 |
| Nicd- | then set your language back | 19:05 |
| AJAX555 | no, I just can't connect to it | 19:05 |
| mfulz | and what about openvpn? | 19:05 |
| AJAX555 | says server unavailable | 19:05 |
| *** dis_ has joined #jollamobile | 19:09 | |
| *** disharmonic has quit IRC | 19:10 | |
| *** avey has quit IRC | 19:11 | |
| *** thessy has joined #jollamobile | 19:12 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: did anyone get openvpn working on the phone yet? | 19:14 |
| *** furikku has quit IRC | 19:14 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | natively, cli, i mean? | 19:14 |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 19:17 | |
| *** orsonmmz has quit IRC | 19:18 | |
| mfulz | I dont even have tab / tun device | 19:25 |
| *** Eztran___ has joined #jollamobile | 19:27 | |
| *** Eztran__ has quit IRC | 19:30 | |
| *** Eztran___ has quit IRC | 19:31 | |
| mfulz | could this work for jolla? http://blog.galemin.com/2011/03/how-to-build-and-configure-openvpn-for-beagleboard-xm/ | 19:32 |
| *** avey has joined #jollamobile | 19:33 | |
| *** blaroche has quit IRC | 19:34 | |
| *** wootis_lap has quit IRC | 19:34 | |
| AJAX555 | can't believe I am browsing the internet using jolla when laptop is just next to me | 19:34 |
| *** onurati has joined #jollamobile | 19:35 | |
| mfulz | does anybody know which -march and -mtune flags shall be used for the jolla phone? | 19:36 |
| *** stuartmd_ has quit IRC | 19:36 | |
| ShadowJK | No tap/tun module? :(( | 19:39 |
| ShadowJK | I need openvpn :/ | 19:39 |
| mfulz | modprob tun is working but no device | 19:39 |
| mfulz | I'm trying to compile openvpn and do some tests | 19:39 |
| *** onurati has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| *** artemma has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| *** cvp has joined #jollamobile | 19:42 | |
| thessy | hi, need to import a ssl (cacert) cert to my jolla. any ideas how to do this? cli is not the problem, whats the right way to do this? | 19:45 |
| *** Tofe is now known as Tofe|Away | 19:46 | |
| *** Tujutzki has joined #jollamobile | 19:46 | |
| mfulz | AL13N_lizzy: pkcon install openvpn | 19:47 |
| mfulz | it's available lol I was starting installing all the dev libs :-/ | 19:48 |
| *** Eztran___ has joined #jollamobile | 19:49 | |
| *** onurati has joined #jollamobile | 19:51 | |
| *** AlmAck has joined #jollamobile | 20:01 | |
| flux | cool | 20:02 |
| flux | really should read through the list of packages | 20:02 |
| tigeli | :D | 20:02 |
| *** Eztran___ has quit IRC | 20:02 | |
| mfulz | when programming a tool (gui for ovpn) can I let the program install the openvpn package somehow? | 20:05 |
| flux | funny how the third hit about pkcon manual page is someone complaining how the documentation sucks | 20:07 |
| tigeli | mfulz: make it as a depency to the rpm-package you create | 20:07 |
| flux | ..it's from 2005 | 20:07 |
| mfulz | ah o | 20:07 |
| mfulz | k | 20:07 |
| flux | though some of the hits is a more recent manual page for it which isn't 100% useless | 20:08 |
| *** pemontto1 has quit IRC | 20:11 | |
| mfulz | hm it doesn't work for me - anyone trying openvpn atm.? | 20:15 |
| mfulz | I'll always get error cipher final failed | 20:15 |
| *** parasemic has joined #jollamobile | 20:18 | |
| *** avey has quit IRC | 20:18 | |
| parasemic | wow, lots of people here :o | 20:19 |
| flux | some picks from the package list - useful stuff available, such as ccache :). and compilers.. gdb, gpg, cryptsetup, cups, iotop, tons of X libs, ntp, many perl modules, screen, tcl, v8, openvpn&vpnc, .. | 20:19 |
| AJAX555 | oh yeah I forgot to update that excel file @ google drive.. | 20:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mfulz: i know it's available, i just wanted to know if anyone got a stable connection on openvpn | 20:21 |
| *** Kabouik has joined #jollamobile | 20:21 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | mfulz: i know a bit about openvpn, can you show log? | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also, anyone know if there's a pastebinit or wgetpaste command available in Jolla ? | 20:22 |
| mfulz | ah ok I'm trying vpn out atm | 20:22 |
| *** Markus__ has joined #jollamobile | 20:22 | |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has quit IRC | 20:23 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | mfulz: btw, did you have lzo? | 20:23 |
| *** Markus__ is now known as ortofta | 20:23 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | and can you also show the config file? | 20:23 |
| mfulz | yep | 20:23 |
| mfulz | when I got it working yes :) | 20:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i can help if you don't have it working :-) | 20:24 |
| *** ortofta has quit IRC | 20:24 | |
| mfulz | are you using tun or tap? | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | at dayjob, i've made a openwrt openvpn box that did tap vlan passthrough | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mfulz: both | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mfulz: i don't have jolla, but i know alot about openvpn | 20:25 |
| *** wootis_lap has joined #jollamobile | 20:25 | |
| mfulz | yep I've freetz working fine with tab on my fritzbox but I guess I'm using old certs here perhaps :D | 20:25 |
| *** wootis_lap has joined #jollamobile | 20:25 | |
| mfulz | how can I access the ssh over usb ? | 20:27 |
| Nicd- | depends on your OS | 20:28 |
| mfulz | linux | 20:30 |
| mfulz | arch | 20:30 |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 20:36 | |
| *** danielcbit has quit IRC | 20:37 | |
| CoderCandy | I dunno, is it just me, or has time started to move VEEERY slow since I got the "In Picking" update? | 20:37 |
| Milo- | mfulz assuming you have necessary kernel modules run this as root: ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.10 | 20:38 |
| mfulz | which kernelmodul would I need to load? | 20:39 |
| *** pa has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| *** Mr_K_ has joined #jollamobile | 20:43 | |
| *** lollo2 has joined #jollamobile | 20:44 | |
| ShadowJK | CoderCandy, it does move slowly | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | time machine | 20:47 |
| *** tetris4 has quit IRC | 20:48 | |
| ShadowJK | But don't worry, once they've carefully and gently packaged your jolla with love and kisses and handed it over to fedex, they'll use teleportation to get it to you so fast it arrives before the tracking code :D | 20:48 |
| AJAX555 | so how can I extract a package in jolla? | 20:49 |
| Pnuu | using a wormhole | 20:49 |
| Pnuu | which is easy, as a black hole is used in packaging | 20:49 |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: what kind of package? | 20:50 |
| AJAX555 | zip | 20:50 |
| *** ScriptRipper has quit IRC | 20:50 | |
| AJAX555 | do I need to use terminal? | 20:50 |
| phdeswer | mfulz: any recent linux should have loaded the modules you need automatically | 20:52 |
| *** stuartmd has joined #jollamobile | 20:52 | |
| Pnuu | AJAX555: pkcon intall unzip | 20:53 |
| Pnuu | so, I guess so | 20:53 |
| mfulz | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device | 20:53 |
| mfulz | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device | 20:53 |
| *** ScriptRipper1 has joined #jollamobile | 20:55 | |
| mfulz | so vpn itself is working :D | 20:57 |
| mfulz | but it's only working under root | 21:00 |
| *** onurati has quit IRC | 21:00 | |
| mfulz | what would be the best practise way inside jolla / sailfish to work that out, when I would go to code a gui for openvpn? | 21:00 |
| *** lollo2 has quit IRC | 21:01 | |
| phdeswer | mfulz: do you have developer mode enabled and did you select developer mode to connect to the pc. | 21:02 |
| mfulz | yes | 21:02 |
| mfulz | omg lol stupid me | 21:03 |
| mfulz | sorry | 21:03 |
| mfulz | it is working now | 21:03 |
| phdeswer | mfulz: Ah great :) | 21:03 |
| mfulz | didn't saw the message from networkmanager in the first shot :D | 21:03 |
| mfulz | replugged cable and could set ip | 21:04 |
| Andy80 | has anyone been able to make the Android version of WhatsApp to read the contact list? I can reply to a message if I receive one first but I can't send to a contact if he doesn't message me first (since WhatsApp cannot access the Contacts) | 21:04 |
| mfulz | thanks | 21:04 |
| parasemic | andy80 it works 100% for me. syched my contacts from N9 | 21:04 |
| parasemic | also, it was downloaded from play. ive heard the apk from official site is sketchy | 21:05 |
| *** SfietKonstantin has joined #jollamobile | 21:05 | |
| parasemic | and yes, it can access Jollas contacts, but apparently not ones that were synched from online services | 21:06 |
| ajalkane | Tried today Jolla phone in shop. Liked what I tried (was just few mins). But I have to say it wasn't as smooth as I expected (scrolling wise). | 21:06 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, I've tried both the one from Google Play Store, and the one from whatsapp.com, both say "this feature is not implemented" whan I try to access contacts :\ | 21:07 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, if you can tell me how you did it, I can switch to Jolla :) | 21:08 |
| parasemic | weird, works totally for me | 21:08 |
| parasemic | hmm | 21:08 |
| parasemic | where did you import your contacts from? | 21:08 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, with "import the contacts" you mean on my Jolla or on WhatsApp? | 21:09 |
| parasemic | Andy80, Jollas contacts i mean | 21:10 |
| cvp | any German users hier ? :D | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, on my Jolla the contacts were imported automatically when I added my Google account | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | but... once imported, I presume that contacts are just contacts... I mean... no matter where you import them from | 21:10 |
| parasemic | Andy80, okay. as far as i know, for some reason, they dont work | 21:10 |
| parasemic | try creating a few contact manually and see if the whatsapp would start working | 21:11 |
| datakurre | Anyone here tried out PyOtherSide yet? | 21:12 |
| datakurre | Just wondering, if it's normal to get random segfaults on startup. | 21:12 |
| Tujutzki | Andy80 have you tried the New Message? | 21:12 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, I can try, but as far as I know the problem is that when you access the "Contacts" tab of WhatsApp, the Android "emulator" (I know it's not an emulator, it's just to explain) says that the feature is not implemented. And I asked to some Jolla devs and they confirmed me that at the moment Android apps don't have permission to access Jolla Contacts. | 21:13 |
| Pnuu | datakurre: I'm waiting for it to native repos | 21:13 |
| parasemic | infact, the android "emulator" is pretty much an emulator | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | Tujutzki, new message? uhm... no | 21:13 |
| Andy80 | ok, let me try again | 21:13 |
| Tujutzki | I can´t access the Contacts from the options either, but they appear normally (haven´t checked if some are missing) when I push New message | 21:13 |
| datakurre | Pnuu: Yeah, maybe I'm having issues, because of using it from mer-repos :/ | 21:13 |
| Pnuu | datakurre: someone on #sailfisos has used it | 21:13 |
| Pnuu | my memory fails who :-P | 21:14 |
| Tujutzki | first time I used WA I only got the group chats and contacts appeared there only as numbers | 21:14 |
| Andy80 | Tujutzki, parasemic so, I take the app from Google Play Store, right? | 21:14 |
| Tujutzki | hmm, I think I got it from Aptoide | 21:15 |
| Tujutzki | Something happened and suddenly they appeared | 21:15 |
| metallisto | does anyone know how to change the voice volume in a call? | 21:15 |
| parasemic | oh lol, i just realised even my contact list isnt working. but i get all the contact from pressing new message | 21:16 |
| datakurre | Pnuu: Thanks. Just tried it out with ZODB (an object database for Python). | 21:16 |
| parasemic | i even thought that was the only way, as ive never used androids WA before | 21:16 |
| Tujutzki | parasemic sounds familiar | 21:16 |
| Andy80 | so one from Aptoide, one from Google Play... I will try both :) | 21:16 |
| Andy80 | we habe the same Jolla, it must work :P | 21:16 |
| datakurre | Pnuu: This will be fun once pyotherside and python3 are officially supported :) | 21:17 |
| parasemic | also, if you are interested.... i found how you can a) receive the notifications every time from WA and b) how to increase the message sound volume to hearable level | 21:17 |
| parasemic | pretty simple actually | 21:17 |
| Andy80 | yes please :) | 21:17 |
| Pnuu | datakurre: yup, although my learning curve will slow me way down :-D | 21:18 |
| Andy80 | oh... now Google Play Store doesn't open :( it just crashes wtf | 21:18 |
| parasemic | andy80 reboot the device if it doesnt open in a few tries | 21:18 |
| Andy80 | uhm... yes all the Android apps just crash | 21:18 |
| parasemic | reboot should help | 21:18 |
| Tujutzki | Andy80 hope so =) | 21:19 |
| parasemic | so, the notifications.. always leave WA "under" some other android app. android support is really an emulator and you have to think of the software as an minimal android virtual device. the WA client think its in top of a device, so it wont push notifications | 21:20 |
| *** SfietKonstantin has quit IRC | 21:20 | |
| metallisto | is there any way how to change the voice volume? | 21:20 |
| parasemic | i personally have installed launcher, so i just open the launcher from sailfish and operate inside android emulator with it, and when i wanna leave WA running, i just go back to launcher and swipe away | 21:20 |
| parasemic | yes | 21:20 |
| parasemic | DOWNLOAD AN ANDROID VOLUME CONTROL APP | 21:20 |
| Andy80 | now Google Play Store opens me the browser wtf | 21:21 |
| metallisto | thats a joke | 21:21 |
| AJAX555 | mm.. can't access play store either.. | 21:21 |
| Nicd- | you should download an IRC volume control app, parasemic | 21:21 |
| parasemic | it seriously is an emulator/virtual device, and its default volume levels are low | 21:21 |
| parasemic | metallisto, no its not | 21:21 |
| parasemic | i changed the volume levels with volume controller app and now the beeps from WA (and other apps) are as loud as sailfish beeps | 21:22 |
| Andy80 | damn hell! | 21:22 |
| Andy80 | WA pushed an update on December 19 | 21:22 |
| metallisto | so alien dalvik is able to change volume for sailfish and sailfish itself not.. okay | 21:23 |
| *** friese has quit IRC | 21:23 | |
| Andy80 | and now it says it's not compatible :( | 21:23 |
| Andy80 | I bet they did to f*** Jolla | 21:23 |
| parasemic | metallisto, no, android EMULATOR (alien dalvik) has its own audio settings that cant be changed as there is no launcher installed by default | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | also, can we stop calling android dalvik an emulator | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's not | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:24 |
| parasemic | stskeeps, tell me, how its not | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's a factual dalvik running | 21:24 |
| parasemic | i run my alien dalvik 100% like an android device | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | no emulation of cpu involved | 21:24 |
| parasemic | ok, its not factually an emulator, but that is the easiest way to describe it | 21:24 |
| parasemic | as it, for sure, is not an "application support" | 21:25 |
| parasemic | not more than android itself is an application support layer, atleast | 21:25 |
| metallisto | parasemic: yes but it changes the system volume which is not possible from host system itself cause there are no controls for it | 21:26 |
| *** edgar2 has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| Andy80 | ok guys, you can still install the one from Aptoide | 21:26 |
| metallisto | and the phone app is not running on alien dalvik | 21:26 |
| *** edgar2_ has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| parasemic | metallisto, no it does not | 21:26 |
| Andy80 | make a backup of it if you can :) | 21:26 |
| *** Natunen has quit IRC | 21:28 | |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps, long time mate :) | 21:28 |
| *** Morpog_Mobile has joined #jollamobile | 21:29 | |
| Tujutzki | Andy80 thanks | 21:29 |
| Andy80 | I'm waiting for those 5 minutes to pass to be able to enter the code I received via sms :) | 21:30 |
| Andy80 | Tujutzki, parasemic if I click on "New" message, it simply says "No WhatsApp contacts" :( | 21:33 |
| Andy80 | damn it :( | 21:35 |
| Andy80 | we have the same Jolla, same OS, how is it possible? uff.. which version of WA do you have? | 21:35 |
| Andy80 | mine is 2.11.136 | 21:36 |
| parasemic | well, then i guess google contacts are stored in a different from than "ordinary" contacts, and even if sailfish can use then maybe whatsapp cant | 21:36 |
| parasemic | so, try to create one contact manually who you know is using whatsapp, and see what happens then | 21:36 |
| parasemic | form* | 21:36 |
| Tujutzki | it´t the same, 2.11.136 | 21:37 |
| Andy80 | ok, I try | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: moo | 21:37 |
| nadriel | One thing for Jolla engineers to straighten up. Scrolling speed. Especially with long lists. Since the menu is accessed by pulling down, and if you're in the bottom of a long list. Kind of annoying to scroll... scroll.... and scroll And then select an option or something from menu and then scroll ... scrolll and scroll back. | 21:37 |
| parasemic | https://db.tt/XhsThB5I here are screens of my phone | 21:38 |
| *** M4rtinK has joined #jollamobile | 21:38 | |
| *** runical has joined #jollamobile | 21:39 | |
| Tujutzki | Andy80 I´m not sure, but I think someone might have sent me a message first -> contacts started to appear | 21:39 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, yes... if I manually add a contact, whatsapp can find it! | 21:39 |
| Tujutzki | yay | 21:39 |
| parasemic | ok, well then you gotta create all of them manually :/ | 21:39 |
| parasemic | but, it works! | 21:39 |
| Tujutzki | how did you import your contacts? | 21:39 |
| parasemic | google contacts | 21:39 |
| Tujutzki | I got them from N9 | 21:40 |
| parasemic | he did, i got from N9 | 21:40 |
| parasemic | did my dropbox link work? | 21:40 |
| Andy80 | that's weird... contacts, once they are in People application, should be the same... | 21:40 |
| mfulz | is there any documentation about what commands, etc. needs to be done to build, deploy, etc. a program? Normally I'm coding in Emacs and would like to keep it there | 21:40 |
| mfulz | perhaps building a mode for it | 21:40 |
| Tujutzki | it did | 21:41 |
| parasemic | Andy80 i think jolla downloads the google contacts in some special form that google uses, and the people app is capable of using them raw (unmodified/unextracted) but somehow whatsapp doesnt recognice them as contacts | 21:41 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, we need to investigate :) | 21:41 |
| parasemic | well, im no expert but i think it makes sense | 21:42 |
| Tujutzki | anyone else can confirm this working? (contacts from N9 work, those from Google don´t) | 21:42 |
| parasemic | tujutzki its been all over the forums lately | 21:42 |
| parasemic | everyone who has google contacts wont get WA working, and others with N9 sync or vcard get it working | 21:43 |
| Tujutzki | ok, I have missed the connection | 21:43 |
| *** arcean has quit IRC | 21:43 | |
| parasemic | any, i was serious about the WA volume level rising... | 21:43 |
| parasemic | anyway* | 21:43 |
| Tujutzki | must have skipped those tmo topics =) | 21:43 |
| *** arcean has joined #jollamobile | 21:43 | |
| Tujutzki | does it eat battery a lot? | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | what is your experience with with the SD card being automounted on startup ? | 21:44 |
| Andy80 | I haven't used my Jolla for a full day yet | 21:44 |
| Tujutzki | and how about the android launcher and battery? | 21:44 |
| parasemic | there seems to be hidden volume level settings (and other settings) in alien dalvik, which you can control only by 3rd party apps are we are lacking official android settings app | 21:44 |
| Andy80 | because I wasn't able to make WA works | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | doesn't seem to automount my 64GB EXT4 formated card | 21:44 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: no ext4 automount yet | 21:45 |
| parasemic | tujutzki, android launcher is just an app which runs under all other apps, doesnt affect power consumption what so ever | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: so what fs should I use ? | 21:45 |
| Nicd- | fat32? | 21:46 |
| parasemic | beautiful thing is, if you open up the launcher from sailfish, and then android apps from launcher, you will get back to launcher by pressing "back" button, so you dont have to use sailfish launcher at all | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: for the record, I can manually mount the partition just fine | 21:46 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: yep, you can | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: but the journal reports some superblock errors | 21:46 |
| *** krandom has quit IRC | 21:46 | |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: mening the log from boot in journal | 21:46 |
| Tujutzki | parasemic and if I want to use the sailfish launcher? =) works normally? | 21:46 |
| mfulz | how can I give an app root access? | 21:47 |
| Andy80 | by the way battery goes down very fast... | 21:47 |
| Nicd- | mfulz: why would you want to? run it as root | 21:47 |
| mfulz | for openvpn | 21:47 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: do you have developer mode on? | 21:47 |
| Andy80 | it was 84% 1 minute ago now it's 81 already | 21:47 |
| mfulz | as normal user it is not working | 21:47 |
| parasemic | of course, but its much faster going from android app to another using an android launcher | 21:47 |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, yes | 21:47 |
| mfulz | or is there another way? | 21:47 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: can you please open 'top' in shell | 21:47 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: what are the top-most apps? | 21:48 |
| Andy80 | sure wait.. | 21:48 |
| metallisto | parasemic: but I asked about the phone call volumne and not wa | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, according to the boot log, this script is used to mount the SD card: /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh | 21:48 |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 21:48 | |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, now just fingerterm with 2,3% | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | and basically just runs this: mount $SDCARD $MNT -o uid=$DEF_UID,gid=$DEF_GID | 21:49 |
| parasemic | metallisto, oh, didnt realise that as we were talking about dalviks volume | 21:49 |
| *** runical has quit IRC | 21:49 | |
| M4rtinK | so it should work | 21:49 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: d**n! It's a nasty bug. Each time I've studied it - it hides | 21:49 |
| parasemic | however, i have 0 problems with volume level in my calls.. is there are problem with yours or what? | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | maybe there is some sort of inird missing kernel modules for EXT4 ? | 21:50 |
| parasemic | tujutzki talk in priv | 21:50 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: I suspect that you would have had contactsd running wiht ~60% load | 21:50 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: no, the mount command that script uses does not take ext3/4 into account | 21:50 |
| *** NIN101 has joined #jollamobile | 21:50 | |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, just because I manually added one O_o ? | 21:50 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: no, because of a bug we discovered | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: that'S kinda strange | 21:51 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: do you have developer mode? | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: that one from settings ? | 21:51 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: yeah, so I take it the answer is no :) | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | M4rtinK: well, I can SSH in & have finger term | 21:52 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: so, format the card as fat32 and it should work | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: I feared this would be the answer | 21:53 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: ext4 automount is coming | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: good to know | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | really looking forward to using a proper filesystem for a change | 21:55 |
| metallisto | Is it possible to integrate WA like FB and twitter? Don't like to have its own app even in qml for that | 21:55 |
| mfulz | Nicd: for openvpn or is there a better to give it the needed rights? | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | FAT32 on the N900 & N9 has a lot of issues | 21:55 |
| Turski | M4rtinK: if you know what you do, it's possible to use EXT4 already :) | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | Turski: well yeah, is can just use a startup script and mount it manually | 21:56 |
| Turski | M4rtinK: no, replace the udev rule to load modified mounting script | 21:56 |
| *** eijk_ has joined #jollamobile | 21:57 | |
| M4rtinK | Turski: but not sure how tracker would react to that :) | 21:57 |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 21:57 | |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, if you discovered I'm pretty confident that you're working to fix it :) that's good! | 21:57 |
| jake9xx | Andy80: tnx, our best guys have already done some fixes so once they pass QA they are in updates | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | Tujutzki: well, that might not work as it looks like the mounting script is running in some sort of cut down environment (initrd?) | 21:58 |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 21:58 | |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, best of best doesn't make any sense.. you are all the best :D | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | Tujutzki: but I guess I might hook it up to some of the late stage targets or even basrc (if that gets executed) | 21:59 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: udev invokes device mapping and mounting, once it's mounted tracker is told we have sdcard | 22:00 |
| *** CraigA has joined #jollamobile | 22:01 | |
| CraigA | Hey :D | 22:01 |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 22:02 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: ok, I'll see what I can do :) | 22:03 |
| jake9xx | hello CraigA | 22:04 |
| CraigA | Got my Jolla today (Canada) :D | 22:04 |
| jake9xx | CraigA: really? Whoa! Congrats! | 22:05 |
| CraigA | via the UK of course | 22:05 |
| DrainBamaged | Someone in the UK bought it and shipped it over? | 22:05 |
| jake9xx | CraigA: are you the Canadian who sent us a post card some months ago? | 22:05 |
| CraigA | I purchased it (LE preorder) and had it shipped to my aunt in London | 22:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | aah | 22:06 |
| CraigA | jake9xx that isn't me, but sounds cool | 22:06 |
| DrainBamaged | And knowing Canadapost... you still got it in amazing time | 22:06 |
| Quu | blame canaaaadaaaaa | 22:06 |
| CraigA | haha | 22:06 |
| CraigA | I'm just setting up a few things, reading some forums, etc | 22:06 |
| * special wonders how many there are on the continent now | 22:06 | |
| CraigA | loving it so far. big switch from my N9 | 22:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | special: you mean, left the continent :-) | 22:06 |
| special | well, I meant in north america | 22:07 |
| DrainBamaged | CraigA is probably the only person in CA with a Jolla | 22:07 |
| jake9xx | special: non-CE devices don't count ;) | 22:07 |
| special | jake9xx: :p | 22:07 |
| CraigA | :D | 22:08 |
| CraigA | I actually switch network providers to one that will work on LTE (when the LTE update is available) | 22:08 |
| DrainBamaged | Everyone else sports either a Blackberry, or if they've any sense, something else | 22:08 |
| *** thessy has left #jollamobile | 22:08 | |
| *** FiSHBoY has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
| *** Mr_K_ has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
| *** Pat_o has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
| *** Pat_o has joined #jollamobile | 22:12 | |
| Andy80 | jake9xx, I was thinking.. it would be nice to have a log (for you) with the apps that consume more battery.. it could help you a lot to know what to fix to improve battery life | 22:12 |
| Turski | Andy80: you already have top ;) | 22:14 |
| Turski | and ps | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | for the record, btrfs formated sd card is also not automounted | 22:15 |
| Turski | M4rtinK: yes, the mounting fails with the options that are meant for vfat | 22:15 |
| Andy80 | Turski, top is useful when you want to see "now" who is using much CPU, but what if you want to see it across all day? | 22:15 |
| Turski | Andy80: you can check cpu time... | 22:16 |
| Turski | i'm off to bed now, good night | 22:17 |
| AJAX555 | epic failing | 22:17 |
| Turski | Andy80: of course that doesn't tell anything about processes that have already stopped | 22:17 |
| AJAX555 | accidentally had 21 november instead of 21 december | 22:17 |
| AJAX555 | what resulted in android apps failing ;D | 22:17 |
| Andy80 | Tujutzki, that's what I would like :) for that reason a log is needed | 22:20 |
| *** FSCV has quit IRC | 22:20 | |
| *** pvanhoof has joined #jollamobile | 22:20 | |
| parasemic | andy80 i bet there is an android app that does that exactly.. i think i even found one earlier when i was going thru all 3rd party android settings apps | 22:20 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, and it would work on Jolla? isn't it a bit low level feature? | 22:21 |
| parasemic | well, of course it can only monitor android apps | 22:22 |
| parasemic | but, how many native sailfish apps are you running that you'd need to monitor? :D | 22:22 |
| *** msknight has joined #jollamobile | 22:22 | |
| msknight | Hello again! | 22:23 |
| Turski | parasemic: quite many processes at least | 22:23 |
| msknight | I've now migrated to using the Jolla as my primary personal phone. | 22:23 |
| msknight | As usual, I've found a few issues! | 22:23 |
| msknight | Incomming calls seem to be rejected by the phone automatically after 30 seconds. Anyone else have this? | 22:23 |
| parasemic | i think this is capable of monitoring android apps memory/cpu usage for some time https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.pmw | 22:24 |
| parasemic | not sure tho | 22:24 |
| DrainBamaged | I get that too, but I think that's because people hang up on me :( | 22:24 |
| parasemic | uhm, there seems to be a newver version lol http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.at.free | 22:24 |
| msknight | It is causing me big problems, but I can't find how to stop the phone rejecting my calls. | 22:24 |
| msknight | If I can't stop the phone doing this, I'm going to have to revert to the Samsung | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: hmm, i have never seen something like that | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | msknight: how does it look like on the phone / what mobile operator / any voice mail setup? | 22:27 |
| * special wonders.. | 22:27 | |
| msknight | There is voicemail on the operator side, with Orange (now EE) and the system normally rings for a good few minutes before knocking over to voicemail. | 22:28 |
| mfulz | how can I use the forward gesture in a qml file? | 22:28 |
| special | msknight: huh, it is exactly 30 seconds here as well | 22:28 |
| msknight | Also, in the Jolla, I try and turn off the option - settings -> apps -> Phone -> Forwarding -> If Not Answered ... but it won't turn off. | 22:29 |
| special | I might have a theory about why.. | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | seems like we have a jolla coder who can reproduce :) | 22:29 |
| msknight | Cool! I like reproducable faults :-) | 22:29 |
| msknight | Also, mobile data keeps turning itself off. | 22:30 |
| msknight | I'm starting to record videos on YouTube about my Jolla journey. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | sorry about the troubles, we certainly listen to problems like this :) | 22:30 |
| msknight | Oh, I have quite a few problems ... the fact that someone is listening is music to my ears :-) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully soon it'll be much more obvious how we want to listen in the future too, with what's coming with together.jolla.com | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | been a bit like sending bug reports to /dev/null | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | currently | 22:32 |
| restless_being | msknight: i've also seen mobile connection disconnecting / reconnecting. as well as in case of wifi. There's even a thread about wifi issues: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92077 | 22:32 |
| msknight | If it helps, here's my channel and I detail some of my thoughts and reports in "The Jolla Files" - http://www.youtube.com/user/msknight5 | 22:34 |
| Turski | special: screen lock goes on and rejects the call? :) | 22:34 |
| msknight | No, screen lock is set to 2 minutes | 22:34 |
| *** blam_ has joined #jollamobile | 22:34 | |
| Stskeeps | Turski: hah, i like you :P good to see people coming up with potential causes ;) | 22:34 |
| Turski | that was just my first idea :) | 22:35 |
| msknight | Also, received calls while the lock is already active, but it still rejects after 30 seconds. | 22:35 |
| special | Turski: my theory is dbus timeouts | 22:36 |
| msknight | I'm also having to delete e-mails twice. | 22:36 |
| Turski | I haven't experienced such call rejectin | 22:36 |
| * Stskeeps goes to bed, bbl | 22:37 | |
| msknight | I have a suggestion also ... that there is a separate "ringtones" folder for ringtones ... and in the sound selection, there is one option to select from ringtone folder, and another to select from music folder. | 22:37 |
| * AL13N_lizzy goes to bed too | 22:38 | |
| * Quu farts | 22:38 | |
| msknight | And another sound fault is that other notifications don't come through the bluetooth device, and need their own volume controls as they are too quiet. The ringtone is great .. fully adjustable ... but the other notifications aren't and are easily missed. | 22:38 |
| msknight | When the phone is on my belt ... the notification tones do not come through to my bluetooth ear piece, and I miss them. | 22:39 |
| Pnuu | oh, oh, oh! about sounds: if I set my own sound for clock alarms, it also changes the calendar alarm | 22:39 |
| restless_being | msknight: Fedex's terms and conditions LOL | 22:41 |
| msknight | Yeh ... I still haven't read them :-) | 22:41 |
| dist | Umm. Should NFC activate even if in airplane mode? | 22:42 |
| restless_being | ouch.. no limited toh :( | 22:42 |
| *** AL13N_lizzy has quit IRC | 22:42 | |
| msknight | Just so long as they don't send it via fedex :-) | 22:43 |
| special | msknight: hm, when that happens it's coming from the modem as a remote user disconnect | 22:43 |
| special | would need deeper traces to see if it's going wrong there | 22:44 |
| parasemic | msknight are all notifications too quiet or just ones from android apps? | 22:44 |
| msknight | Well, it is really putting a kink in my workflow. If I'm talking to someone and it goes off, 30 seconds is not long enough to excuse myself from the conversation, and still catch the call. | 22:44 |
| special | msknight: so with the same SIM and on the same network (including roaming if applicable), you get longer than 30 seconds on another phone? | 22:45 |
| msknight | All notifications are quiet. It could do with taking its lead from the ringtone volume, IMHO. | 22:45 |
| msknight | Oh yes - I think it was 5 minutes on the S2. | 22:45 |
| *** qqK has quit IRC | 22:45 | |
| Pnuu | msknight: well, I wouldn't wait for 30 secs for someone to answer anyway :-D | 22:45 |
| special | okay. I'll file a bug about it | 22:46 |
| msknight | I'm telephony project lead ... when people want to get hold of me ... they wait :-D | 22:46 |
| Pnuu | that explains :-D | 22:46 |
| *** pvanhoof has quit IRC | 22:47 | |
| * msknight hunts to try and find her sim card adapter. | 22:48 | |
| *** dunp has quit IRC | 22:49 | |
| *** dunp has joined #jollamobile | 22:49 | |
| jake9xx | Andy80: sure, we also have already powertop etc but that is a nasty bug to debug | 22:49 |
| special | msknight: there is a bug about notification sounds and bluetooth, apparently the fix is invasive and not fully released yet | 22:52 |
| msknight | OK - as long as it is known about. | 22:52 |
| special | I'd expect it to get more attention soon, based on how it's flagged | 22:53 |
| msknight | Some things can be worked around, but the notifications and the 30 second cut off are by far the most important for me, personally. | 22:54 |
| special | my iphone seemed to cut off after about 30s as well | 22:54 |
| msknight | I'm swapping my card back to the S2, then I'll ring it and see what happens, in case there has been a setting change at the provider end. | 22:55 |
| msknight | This is sad - I have a Jolla, an S2, a 4s, a 55g, two 35g and ... a trimphone :-) | 22:56 |
| special | my phone collection is getting out of hand these days | 22:57 |
| msknight | Those are just my currently active phones. | 22:57 |
| *** Venemo has joined #jollamobile | 22:57 | |
| msknight | Well, except the S2 which doesnt' have a sim but runs a SIP client. | 22:58 |
| CraigA | as far as whatsapp, are people using the official Android client, or is there a wazapp/openwhatsapp release? | 22:59 |
| Andy80 | CraigA, I'm using the official one | 22:59 |
| msknight | Hmm ... 30 seconds on the S2. Looks like something has changed at the carrier end. I'll have to contact them. | 23:00 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: wanna try? | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: sure | 23:01 |
| CraigA | Andy80 were you able to installed it from the Play Store or did you have to sideload it/use another store? | 23:01 |
| msknight | Possibly happened during my SIM change, as I needed a new sim for the Jolla. I'll get in touch with Orange and find out. | 23:02 |
| Andy80 | CraigA, at the moment you can install it from Aptoide store, because the version on the Play Store was updated yesterday and it's not cmpatible anymore with Jolla :( | 23:02 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: get: http://pastie.org/8566671 and copy that over to '/usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh' | 23:02 |
| CraigA | ahh okay, thanks. | 23:02 |
| Venemo | hey | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: I'm on it | 23:03 |
| special | msknight: okay. I'm glad my timeout theory wasn't the problem :) | 23:03 |
| parasemic | Andy80 wat? mine is working noproblem | 23:03 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, when did you download it :) ? | 23:03 |
| parasemic | the google contacts problem has been around since forever | 23:04 |
| Andy80 | parasemic, I also got it from the Play store yesterday, but the version available now it says it's not compatible | 23:04 |
| parasemic | ah | 23:04 |
| msknight | Well, who knows ... I'll follow other methods first. I still don't know why I couldn't disable the forwarding option in the menu structure though. | 23:04 |
| parasemic | well, thats a bug with play store | 23:04 |
| *** pawky has quit IRC | 23:05 | |
| restless_being | Andy80, parasemic: do you have this strange semitransparent thing in the bottom of whatsapp? | 23:06 |
| Andy80 | restless_being, yes... a bit annoying but... better than nothing.... | 23:07 |
| special | I saw a few attempts months ago to create opensource whatsapp clients | 23:08 |
| special | including at least one that was going to be QML for ubuntu phone | 23:08 |
| special | not sure any went anywhere | 23:08 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: if you're aftraid of messing your device - don't. pkcon install sd-utils will reset this experiment | 23:08 |
| jake9xx | afraid, even | 23:08 |
| jake9xx | special: coderus on #sailfishos is doing it for sailfish atm | 23:09 |
| Tujutzki | coderus (of wazapp fame) mentioned/promised to port his percecute to jolla, but only after he´d gotten his jolla | 23:09 |
| restless_being | Yup.. the worse is that it's not possible to just take and send a photo directly from whatsapp, and.. even if I take a photo then whatsapp doesn't see it in the gallery | 23:09 |
| jake9xx | Tujutzki: it's progressing, coderus is doing good job | 23:09 |
| parasemic | restless_being: yes | 23:09 |
| Tujutzki | jake9xx so he is doing it? great! =) | 23:09 |
| *** AlmAck has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: works fine :) | 23:09 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: with vfat as well? | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: for EXT4 | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | well, can try that as well | 23:10 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: ok, I'll try with vfat just to see that there is no regression | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: oh, ok :) | 23:10 |
| special | jake9xx: great | 23:11 |
| Venemo | how long is my package supposed to be "in picking" | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: BTW, your version looks better than the one from Frye :) | 23:11 |
| Andy80 | do you know where I can find an example showing XmlModel+ListView for SailfishOS? | 23:11 |
| *** pawky has joined #jollamobile | 23:11 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: seems more robust without checking the fs type | 23:11 |
| Frye | M4rtinK, It's not mine, I just forwarded the hack I ran into which solved my issue. Credit goes to original author :D | 23:12 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: hmm... but this won't work still | 23:13 |
| petantik | I quite like the jolla. I find some issues, like the mesages in the notifications being cut off, rather than wrapped. | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: breaks vfat ? | 23:13 |
| special | petantik: banners or the events view? | 23:13 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: yes... *sigh* I'll go get a drink and then hack more | 23:13 |
| Frye | jake9xx, So the script on jollausers does nto work on vfat? | 23:14 |
| Frye | I think I tested it, but I may remember wrong. | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: just let me know if you want me to help with something :) | 23:14 |
| Frye | Anyway I need to hit the bed | 23:14 |
| Frye | Happy hacking :D | 23:14 |
| petantik | special: I get some message about my google account from the settings. I can't see only see "the account bla@bl ..." | 23:14 |
| petantik | special: I think it's asking me to resign in again, since for some reason it has signed out. | 23:15 |
| special | petantik: ah. Yes, it's telling you that a login failed and you need to update your credentials | 23:15 |
| special | it could be lying, we've fixed some bugs related to that recently | 23:16 |
| petantik | special: so, that's strange because my account was signed in previously .. yup! | 23:16 |
| *** lbt_ has joined #jollamobile | 23:16 | |
| petantik | special: Oh, perhaps you would know. How well does it deal with google accounts with two factor auth on. It seemed to be working fine when i tried it, signed in with my account details, and then verification code. | 23:17 |
| special | petantik: I've always had two factor auth enabled, never had any problems | 23:18 |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| petantik | special: I thought it would be fine. Just curious if there was a hidden gotcha. | 23:18 |
| *** phdeswer has quit IRC | 23:19 | |
| *** lbt_ is now known as lbt | 23:20 | |
| special | petantik: a year or so ago, the numeric inputs didn't work, if that counts :p | 23:20 |
| special | that's the only problem I've ever had | 23:21 |
| petantik | special: ooh. giving away details of your password. it has numbers in it! | 23:21 |
| *** _Wishmaster has joined #jollamobile | 23:22 | |
| special | petantik: the second step verification is a number ;) | 23:22 |
| _Wishmaster | Hi guys, I'd love to know if the drivers are opensource aswell | 23:22 |
| *** dis_ has quit IRC | 23:22 | |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 23:23 | |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: ok, ready for next shot? | 23:24 |
| *** joered has quit IRC | 23:25 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: sure :) | 23:25 |
| msknight | Question ... with the "People", it records the last 10 calls made. I want to shorten that list ... if not get rid of it completely. How do I do that please? | 23:26 |
| special | msknight: it's the last 10 people called or messaged. There isn't any setting to control it currently | 23:26 |
| msknight | Will there be please? | 23:27 |
| msknight | I would like to reduce this list to 0 :-) | 23:27 |
| *** Mr_K_ has joined #jollamobile | 23:28 | |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: actually found a bug - pls give me a moment :) | 23:30 |
| msknight | Also, I need to get the date to show on the "unlock" screen. | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: np :) | 23:30 |
| msknight | Long story short ... when I wear gloves, I tap the button to wake the phone ... but if I need the date (which I do some mornings to use a parking scratch card) I've got to take my glove off to do a slightly pull down. | 23:30 |
| *** phdeswer has joined #jollamobile | 23:31 | |
| petantik | imagine if you could choose what info to display. | 23:34 |
| petantik | like next calendar event, date time, twitter feed. | 23:35 |
| petantik | latest email | 23:35 |
| CraigA | "unfortunately, the process com.google.process.gapps has stopped" .. I'm guessing this is constantly coming up because I installed the Google Play Store? | 23:35 |
| petantik | Mhmm. | 23:35 |
| petantik | CraigA: It started going away after the first few times. | 23:36 |
| *** Tujutzki has quit IRC | 23:36 | |
| CraigA | okies | 23:38 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: ok, 2nd try: http://pastie.org/8566731 | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: ok :) | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: i'M ON IT | 23:41 |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 23:41 | |
| M4rtinK | gah, CAPSLOCK | 23:41 |
| jake9xx | meh | 23:41 |
| msknight | Hmm... I can't enter the service codes to extend the ring duration. I keep getting the problem with service request message ... very quickly ... as if it is not even attempting to send the service request. | 23:43 |
| *** planasb is now known as heymaster | 23:45 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: works :) | 23:45 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: /dev/mmcblk1p1 59G 1020M 55G 2% /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 23:46 |
| jake9xx | ext4? | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 23:46 |
| *** heymaster is now known as planasb | 23:46 | |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: can 'nemo' user write on it ? | 23:46 |
| *** blam_ has quit IRC | 23:46 | |
| msknight | OK - I'm off for now. Bye! | 23:46 |
| *** msknight has quit IRC | 23:46 | |
| *** blam_ has joined #jollamobile | 23:47 | |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: yeah | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | did touch test | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | -rw-rw-r-- 1 nemo nemo 0 2013-12-21 15:53 test | 23:47 |
| *** planasb has quit IRC | 23:47 | |
| *** planasb has joined #jollamobile | 23:47 | |
| M4rtinK | (I know the time is off:) ) | 23:47 |
| jake9xx | M4rtinK: ok, good. There is a pull request already, so we'll get around this soon | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: good! glad I could help :) | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: (and also that I got it working the way I wanted :D) | 23:49 |
| *** blam_ has quit IRC | 23:51 | |
| *** Mr_K_ has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!
