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| Kabouik | Is it possible to arrange songs in tue queue list? Can't do it with drag and drop or long press. Planned for 2014? | 00:01 |
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| MSameer | Kabouik: please send your suggestion to care@jolla.com | 00:09 |
| Kabouik | This is the official way to submit suggestions? I thought there wasn't any yet | 00:09 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: this is the official way currently. we are working on something better | 00:10 |
| MSameer | but for now, please email care@jolla.com to make sure your suggestions don't get lost | 00:10 |
| MSameer | there are people who read that inbox | 00:11 |
| Kabouik | Alright, thanks! Indeed it would be easier, because writing an email, say hello, regards, and so on, can quickly become a bit time-consuming when you just want to suggest a feature or report a bug :p | 00:11 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: simple | 00:11 |
| MSameer | Hi, | 00:11 |
| MSameer | Is it possible to arrange songs in tue queue list? Can't do it with drag and drop or long press. Planned for 2014? | 00:11 |
| Kabouik | :> | 00:11 |
| MSameer | hit send :) | 00:12 |
| Kabouik | And even if there is not necessarily somebody reading all TMO posts, we know some of you do it, at least on your freetime | 00:18 |
| Kabouik | Is there any initiative to copy/paste the interesting suggestions seen there? | 00:19 |
| Kabouik | Because there are a lot | 00:19 |
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| MSameer | i follow the 200 pages thread | 00:22 |
| MSameer | some stuff are known bugs, some stuff i push inside | 00:22 |
| MSameer | some stuff i drop because i can not process :/ | 00:22 |
| MSameer | but the thread is huge really | 00:23 |
| Kabouik | There are a lot of 200 pages threads :P | 00:26 |
| Kabouik | Anyway I know you cannot follow everything, good to know already that some stuff you find interesting are kept somewhere | 00:27 |
| MSameer | the user experience thread | 00:28 |
| MSameer | i can't follow the glitches and bugs one | 00:28 |
| MSameer | i am a human :) | 00:28 |
| Kabouik | Too bad, there are a lot of interesting bugs/designs to improve in there :p | 00:29 |
| MSameer | i am sure others are following | 00:29 |
| Kabouik | Yep sure | 00:29 |
| MSameer | but i can check it | 00:29 |
| Kabouik | From what I understood, the user experience thread is mostly a review thread turning into a "what is wrong thread" | 00:31 |
| Kabouik | And the glitches and bugs one is mostly a "what's wrong thread" turning into "how could it be improved" :P | 00:31 |
| MSameer | but it was the first one | 00:31 |
| Kabouik | Of course there is a lot of overlap | 00:31 |
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| Kabouik | Yes sure | 00:32 |
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| Kabouik | And apart from the overlap, both threads are very complementary | 00:32 |
| MSameer | yup | 00:33 |
| MSameer | that's true | 00:33 |
| Kabouik | That's also why I ask if they are followed with notebook and a pen by some sailors. Not knowing if they are tends to push me to post same ideas in different manners in both | 00:33 |
| Kabouik | Which basically makes the threads less useful | 00:34 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: if the same points get constantly rehashed in both as people repeat the same thing | 00:34 |
| Kabouik | There is also a trend effect | 00:34 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: the more people emailing care@ asking for the same thing, the more likely it gets prioritized | 00:35 |
| Kabouik | One day some guy comes with an idea that makes baby ideas in other's minds | 00:35 |
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| petantik | if only there was a public issue tracker | 00:40 |
| petantik | for bugs | 00:40 |
| Kabouik | http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS | 00:41 |
| Kabouik | I'm trying to do that. Am I right that there is no way to select all that text in Sailfish browser to paste it in fingerterm? | 00:41 |
| MSameer | petantik: there will be a way to report bugs and it will be viewable and searchable | 00:41 |
| MSameer | petantik: it will not a be a public bug tracker | 00:41 |
| Kabouik | Excellent news that it will be viewable MSameer | 00:41 |
| MSameer | petantik: but it will be something we hope you will like | 00:41 |
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| MSameer | oops. what have i just said :D | 00:42 |
| Kabouik | :o | 00:42 |
| petantik | MSameer: yes. i understand that the public view might just show known issues | 00:43 |
| MSameer | petantik: we can't open the internal bug tracker but we are working on something | 00:43 |
| MSameer | i know it's frustrating for you | 00:44 |
| petantik | MSameer: development is hard enough without outside pressure. | 00:44 |
| MSameer | nd for me as well | 00:44 |
| MSameer | problem is we the developers are the ones taking the pressure :p | 00:45 |
| petantik | MSameer: i know the feeling all too well | 00:46 |
| chriadam | Kabouik: thanks. I still haven't tracked down the issue with the missing three. I'm working on a patch to fix our import code today. I don't know when it will be released, but if people are interested, they'll be able to build the vcardconverter from the repo (nemo-qml-plugin-contacts/tools) | 00:47 |
| Kabouik | I can wait, not intending to press you :p Just reporting those in case you want to share the commandline you gave me, was a good temporary workaround | 00:48 |
| Kabouik | Even if not 100% working | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | well, from my experience a standard bugzilla setup with public/private bugs & comments works fine :) | 00:49 |
| chriadam | well, feel free to do that. one part of my fix to vcardconverter will simply be preprocessing the input vcf and looking for lines which match the "END:VCARDBEGIN:VCARD" form, and changing to two lines: "END:VCARD"\r\n"BEGIN:VCARD". but as you say, there's still an outstanding bug there somewhere. | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | people can report their issue, so there are not duplicates all over the place | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | and priority can be easily judged - either by triage & some bugs exploding to 100+ comments :) | 00:51 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: have you read stefano's post? | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: ML or TMO ? | 00:51 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: TMO | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: not yet, I'll check it out | 00:52 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1390834&postcount=26 | 00:52 |
| M4rtinK | oh, that one | 00:53 |
| MSameer | stezz = stefano | 00:53 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: well, sure the frequent problem - lack of manpower :) | 00:54 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: on the other hand, one wants to be a perfectionist sometime :) | 00:54 |
| MSameer | let's not go into that please :) | 00:55 |
| Kabouik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1398503&posted=1#post1398503 Feel free to ask corrections chriadam if I said something wrong, or not as you want me to share it | 00:56 |
| chriadam | cool, that's fine | 00:57 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: anyway, got my Jolla today - good job ! :) | 00:58 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: hope you like it :) | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: & thanks a lot ! :) | 00:58 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: sure ! :) | 00:58 |
| MSameer | i am glad you do :) | 00:58 |
| Kabouik | i intentionally did not mention your nickname chriadam, not sure you wanted to be bothered about that directly :p | 00:59 |
| Kabouik | (That's basically what I'm doing, bothering you about that :o) | 00:59 |
| chriadam | eh, doesn't bother me either way - but I am going on vacation starting next week, so I won't be around if people did want to ask me questions | 00:59 |
| Kabouik | No you cant. Permission declined. | 01:00 |
| Kabouik | I've got that paper here, Tomi signed it. | 01:00 |
| chriadam | ;-) | 01:00 |
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| MSameer | i am going on vacation on Friday :P | 01:02 |
| chriadam | I think it's worth noting that most people are taking at least some time off over Christmas, I believe | 01:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | chriadam: Whats the weather looking like for you over the break? | 01:08 |
| Kabouik | Working till 24th :'( | 01:08 |
| chriadam | MFaro-Tusino: well, I'm heading to Japan for a snowboarding trip, so hopefully snowy and cold ;-) | 01:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | That sounds awesome! My friends did that last year (think they entered some competition too) | 01:09 |
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| Kabouik | So about copy/pasting text from the browser, am I missing something, or is it impossible yet? | 01:12 |
| Kabouik | Tried with an Android browser too, but the clipboard seems constrained to Dalvik | 01:12 |
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| Turski | Kabouik: i think it's not implemented yet | 01:13 |
| chriadam | MFaro-Tusino: it'll be my first time skiing/snowboarding so i expect to spend more time sliding down a hill on my backside than actually snowboarding, but either way it'll be a blast :-D | 01:13 |
| Kabouik | Thanks Turski. Not really convenient for copying command lines from forums :p | 01:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | chriadam: Yeah - I can imagine! Have an awesome time and stay safe :D | 01:14 |
| chriadam | will try :-) thanks! | 01:14 |
| Turski | Kabouik: yep, have noticed thattoo | 01:14 |
| Turski | would be interesting to know how the clipboard have been implemented at all since we are not on X11 | 01:16 |
| Turski | dbus? | 01:16 |
| Kabouik | MSameer, I cannot keep it for myself any longer, the secret is too heavy to carry | 01:19 |
| Kabouik | You have to change your avatar on TMO, or I may die exceptionnaly early. | 01:19 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: i am all ears :) | 01:19 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: why? | 01:19 |
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| Kabouik | It reminds the 90s, in a soooo "I lived the 90's, and even then, my hair was above the average." manner | 01:20 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: what's wromg with it? | 01:20 |
| MSameer | mmm | 01:20 |
| MSameer | but that's my hair :) | 01:20 |
| Kabouik | That's a very yellow hair :p | 01:21 |
| Kabouik | Biased white balance then :P | 01:22 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: http://foolab.org/node/1739 | 01:23 |
| Kabouik | That's not yellow there! | 01:23 |
| MSameer | it was yellowish :) | 01:24 |
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| MSameer | but ok, I will try to find something better and use it | 01:24 |
| MSameer | i have been using that avatar for years | 01:24 |
| MSameer | "sniff" | 01:24 |
| Kabouik | I was just kidding, it's exactly because I've seen it for years :p | 01:24 |
| MSameer | i am really not into these things | 01:25 |
| MSameer | you will always find me at the same place, same desktop since y2k | 01:25 |
| MSameer | same wallpaper, ring tone, ... | 01:25 |
| MSameer | i don't even change what i wear unless wife asks me to do it :P | 01:26 |
| Kabouik | Héhé :p | 01:26 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: how about that ? http://foolab.org/node/465 ;) | 01:28 |
| Kabouik | As for the 90's comment, don't take it as bad comment, I sort of have the same hair just currently, just not blond | 01:29 |
| MSameer | :) | 01:30 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: i think the picture was taken in the 90s :D | 01:31 |
| Kabouik | So I was right! | 01:31 |
| Kabouik | No seriously, because of the deep-etch made in Paint and the biased white balance (not the same blond hair as on the photos you just shared here), I thought the tiny avatar was a drawing | 01:33 |
| Kabouik | Editing images in Paint, proof the picture is from the 90's :') | 01:34 |
| MSameer | i cropped it from an image :) | 01:34 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: http://foolab.org/node/392 | 01:35 |
| Kabouik | Ah I recognize! | 01:35 |
| MSameer | that's the original | 01:35 |
| Kabouik | Well, that confirms the white balance totally out | 01:36 |
| MSameer | :) | 01:36 |
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| MSameer | i think the camera was broken :) | 01:36 |
| Kabouik | Well, seems typical for a photo under artificial light indoor | 01:37 |
| Kabouik | But the deep-etch made in paint is unforgivable! | 01:37 |
| MSameer | i can't see any etch :) | 01:38 |
| Kabouik | Not sure of the translation, that's just what I got on Google for the a ction of cropping just to the face by following contours | 01:39 |
| MSameer | and it's gimp BTW :) | 01:39 |
| MSameer | hackergotchi :P | 01:40 |
| Kabouik | Acceptable then :o | 01:40 |
| MSameer | but yeah my poor artistic skills | 01:41 |
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| MSameer | Kabouik: but i will try to find a better one | 01:43 |
| Kabouik | Nah but don't take it seriously MSameer! | 01:43 |
| MSameer | Kabouik: i will not send a serial killer after you so no worries :D | 01:43 |
| Kabouik | I was just kidding on the fact the 90's are not making us feel young anymore! | 01:44 |
| Kabouik | Sure, I hope so! Plus you could get my address from my order number in the Google tracking number spreadsheet :p | 01:44 |
| MSameer | i haven't checked that :) | 01:45 |
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| MSameer | Kabouik: I have a young kid and past 30 so not young anymore | 01:46 |
| MSameer | reality | 01:46 |
| Kabouik | Anyhow, I was just kidding because the pic reminds me that period, makes me feel old because I knew that period, and because I get comments on my "too curly big hair" on a daily basis when I don't tie them. :o | 01:46 |
| MSameer | :D | 01:47 |
| Kabouik | As for the pic looking like a drawing, the actual original pic is really different, so wouldn't like you to take it personnaly because of a stupid joke at the beginning :p | 01:47 |
| MSameer | i know it's not personal :) | 01:47 |
| Kabouik | Well, I couldn't have a kid past 30. You're definitely the old one here. Makes me feel better! | 01:48 |
| * Kabouik dances. | 01:48 | |
| Kabouik | Oh crap I read too quickly | 01:49 |
| MSameer | lol | 01:49 |
| Kabouik | I read that you had a kid over 30 years old :< | 01:49 |
| MSameer | nooooooooooo | 01:49 |
| * Kabouik stops dancing and takes a drink. | 01:50 | |
| Aard | MSameer: really? you look old enough for that :p | 01:51 |
| Kabouik | :< ! | 01:51 |
| MSameer | Aard: get back to answering care emails :P | 01:51 |
| Kabouik | So that's you Aard! | 01:51 |
| Aard | what's me? | 01:51 |
| Kabouik | The person behind care :o | 01:52 |
| Kabouik | Or one of the* :o | 01:52 |
| Aard | no, I'm not | 01:52 |
| Kabouik | Crap, the mystery is still intact | 01:52 |
| Aard | I'm just consulted by them now and then because I now one or two things | 01:52 |
| MSameer | Aard is our beloved guy who sends green lights for the updates and prepares them :) | 01:52 |
| MSameer | among other things :p | 01:53 |
| Kabouik | That's the biggest secret in Jolla headquarters. Who reads care :o | 01:53 |
| * Aard knows | 01:53 | |
| * MSameer knows too | 01:53 | |
| Kabouik | So you probably both sleep with the person who reads care. | 01:54 |
| Kabouik | Or you wouldn't know. | 01:54 |
| Kabouik | Have to share that finding on TMO. :o | 01:54 |
| MSameer | i need to put that in the topic | 01:54 |
| MSameer | So you probably both sleep with the person who reads care. | 01:55 |
| Aard | MSameer: what, you're cheating with my affair?! | 01:55 |
| MSameer | how impolite can someone be here? | 01:55 |
| Kabouik | Hey Aard, that's a small 80-people start-up, people get to chat with each other at the coffee break... | 01:55 |
| Kabouik | And there are only 79 possibilities :o | 01:56 |
| Aard | Kabouik: not me, I usually work from home. :) | 01:56 |
| Aard | MSameer: less than #w :) | 01:56 |
| Kabouik | That explains why you had no clue on the MSameer/Care-Reading-person affair. :> | 01:56 |
| MSameer | Aard: no no. I am not into men at all. I don't interfere with your affairs | 01:59 |
| * Aard looks relieved | 01:59 | |
| Kabouik | Happy end then! :p | 02:01 |
| Kabouik | Well, I'd better go get some sleep. See you later and good night | 02:02 |
| MSameer | good night | 02:02 |
| Kabouik | And MSameer, don't change it ;) | 02:02 |
| MSameer | come on? | 02:02 |
| Kabouik | ? | 02:03 |
| MSameer | come on :p | 02:03 |
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| Kabouik | I'd feel mildy guilty if you change it because of a silly joke :p | 02:04 |
| Kabouik | Well. I'm not here anymore. Thanks for the help and answers about the TMO threads earlier! Good night. | 02:04 |
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| * MFaro-Tusino never ceases to be impressed by timezones - as he gets ready for lunch at 1pm in Sydney | 02:10 | |
| Aard | MFaro-Tusino: it's after 4 in the night here :) | 02:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | go sleep | 02:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | stop considering it and just do it! | 02:11 |
| * Aard is still working :) | 02:12 | |
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| mattaustin | Anyone going to Linux Conf Australia 2014? | 03:36 |
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| crevetor | Hi guys, do we have any specifics on the cellular frequencies supported by Jolla ? | 03:57 |
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| atlaz | Whats this, an update for my phone? | 05:27 |
| atlaz | I wonder what was updated | 05:30 |
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| atlaz | bah, just some store-fix | 05:33 |
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| atlaz | Which installed the tutorial-app again | 06:02 |
| atlaz | Now im afraid to remove it | 06:02 |
| special | you shouldn't | 06:05 |
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| * Trizt hates this waiting... | 06:43 | |
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| Dima^ | why I cannot see from whish number txt message came from.. furstrating | 06:43 |
| Dima^ | *which | 06:43 |
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| Dima^ | If contact has few number, I don't know to which to respond | 06:44 |
| Trizt | don't it autoselect when you reply? | 06:45 |
| special | it will automatically select the same number (or IM account) as the last message | 06:45 |
| Dima^ | to the new one yes.. but if I want to check to which number to call | 06:46 |
| special | but yes; it's a known oversight, there are bugs filed | 06:46 |
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| CoderCandy | And today, my friends, I've waited 3 weeks. | 06:48 |
| CoderCandy | So any day now my Jolla should be here! | 06:48 |
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| atlaz | Hngh. Fuckin Windows 8.1. Fucking nVidia GT7300. Fucking Intel integrated graphics. Fucking three-monitor-setup. Fucking DWM crashing | 06:54 |
| atlaz | I didn't even want to work the first hour today. | 06:55 |
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| flux | soo, has it been established if the NFC in jolla is usable for things other than TOH? I've heard claims both of positive and negative. | 07:59 |
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| crysaz | flux: heard? any blog posts about the subject? | 08:05 |
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| crysaz | and btw, how can i change the background picture? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | crysaz: gallery -> select image -> create ambience | 08:06 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: do you have automated reply for common questions or are you just incredibly fast? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: coffeelevel = high | 08:07 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: I hear you! :) | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | and no, i don't have canned responses | 08:07 |
| crysaz | Stskeeps: thanks. that menu is a bit hidden and it doesn't work most of the time | 08:07 |
| atlaz | Why no, i am not a robot - i AM a real person | 08:08 |
| jussi | aww, canned responses are awesome! | 08:08 |
| jussi | :P | 08:08 |
| atlaz | http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/12/10/meet-the-robot-telemarketer-who-denies-shes-a-robot/ <- Thats Stskeeps | 08:08 |
| atlaz | Listen to the recordings if you have a chance. Sammy is friggin scary | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: hmm, i think i might have been subjected to an earlier version who wanted to be my girlfriend.. | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:09 |
| jussi | haha< | 08:09 |
| MMori | Oh my god, Yle Areena app :o | 08:10 |
| atlaz | Yeah, and it's live play doesn't work | 08:10 |
| atlaz | Atleast on my screen it's all scrambled | 08:10 |
| MMori | ... | 08:10 |
| MMori | Great | 08:11 |
| atlaz | Recordings seem to work tho | 08:11 |
| MMori | But I'd rather have Netflix anyways ;) | 08:11 |
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| atlaz | Yeah, Live-play is still FUBAR. Recordings work | 08:12 |
| jussi | nice that Yle app is coming though! | 08:12 |
| atlaz | MMori: have you tried installing android-neflix? | 08:12 |
| jussi | Does flasah work on the device? (curiousity) | 08:12 |
| atlaz | jussi: i guess you could download and install android flash from adobe | 08:12 |
| MMori | I only have Yandex and Amazon stores installed... Can't find Netflix from those. | 08:13 |
| kor | is there something like icedtea available? | 08:13 |
| atlaz | MMori: ok, ill try. I got Google play installed | 08:13 |
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| atlaz | Signin in... | 08:14 |
| MMori | atlaz: Is there a "tutorial" on installing google play somewhere? | 08:14 |
| MMori | Can't find anything from Yandex and Amazon to install | 08:14 |
| atlaz | Wohoo, Archer playing thru Netflix on Jolla | 08:14 |
| atlaz | Achievement unlocked | 08:15 |
| MMori | :P | 08:15 |
| kor | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jolla+google+play | 08:15 |
| MMori | Thank you kor! | 08:15 |
| atlaz | MMori: http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html | 08:15 |
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| atlaz | Got a "could not retrive data" when i tried to watch V for Vendetta, but archer seems to work | 08:16 |
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| MMori | atlaz: Thank you atlaz | 08:16 |
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| kor | atlaz: that might just be netflix | 08:16 |
| atlaz | MMori: check comment "Heikki December 12, 2013 at 8:40 AM" | 08:17 |
| atlaz | if you don't have access to a computer | 08:17 |
| atlaz | Atleast thats how I installed mine | 08:17 |
| MMori | I've never had connection issues or any other issues with Netflix but it would be the first time | 08:17 |
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| MMori | atlaz: thanks for pointing that out :) | 08:18 |
| MMori | kor, google doesn't do as good job in pointing things out than atlaz and other kind community members | 08:18 |
| atlaz | Yeah, but you'll learn more if you have to do it yourself ;P | 08:19 |
| MMori | and my grammar is bad again, but who cares | 08:19 |
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| MMori | atlaz: I've done plenty myself :) | 08:19 |
| atlaz | MMori: i didn't mean you exactly, but people overall. If you have to put the effort in it, you learn much more :) | 08:19 |
| ggabriel | morning/afternoon/evening | 08:19 |
| kor | MMori: yeah, i understand, it's just. that took <3 seconds and the stuff in the article is straightforward | 08:19 |
| MMori | I sense a storm coming, now I remain silent | 08:20 |
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| MMori | hi ggabriel | 08:20 |
| Dima^ | Oh, crap... | 08:21 |
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| Dima^ | I've put empty microsim adapter in to N9, and now I cannot open sim slot... | 08:21 |
| atlaz | What is..this.. oh my lord... LASER EQUIPPED BEARD TRIMMER. | 08:22 |
| kor | use a small needle | 08:22 |
| Jope | ouch ouch ouch | 08:22 |
| atlaz | I-i, I NEED IT | 08:22 |
| Jope | dima, be very careful | 08:22 |
| ggabriel | Dima^: ouch, never do that again (it's in the adaptor's instructoins :-) ) | 08:22 |
| Jope | basically you need to slide something | 08:22 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: link? | 08:22 |
| Jope | a thin piece of plastic or something | 08:22 |
| Jope | between the adapter and the sim slot contacts | 08:22 |
| Jope | then you can pull it out | 08:22 |
| ggabriel | Dima^: and switch off the phone while doing it ofc | 08:22 |
| Dima^ | Jope: I thin I just need to press pins away | 08:23 |
| Dima^ | ggabriel: it is off | 08:23 |
| atlaz | ggabriel: http://www.philips.co.uk/c/Facial-stylers-and-grooming-kits/beardtrimmer-series-9000-0.2-mm-precision-settings-full-metal-dual-sided-trimmer-60-mins-cordless-use-1-hr-charge-with-laser-guide-bt9280_33/prd/ | 08:23 |
| Jope | dima, if you take the display off, there are holes through which you can push on the pins | 08:23 |
| Jope | three at the same time.. | 08:23 |
| atlaz | http://images.philips.com/is/image/PhilipsConsumer/BT9280_33-MI1-global-001?align=0%2C0&hei=384&$jpglarge$ oh man thats so cool what the hell man | 08:23 |
| Jope | IF your adapter has a through hole in it | 08:23 |
| tj____ | haha jolla in the most popular finnish daily news paper comic strip.. http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/sarjis/560/1305762665686?ts=264 need an advanced level in finnish language to get the joke though and there's no point trying to translate that 'cause the joke is based on the original language | 08:23 |
| Dima^ | almost throught.. it has thin layer at the bottom | 08:23 |
| Jope | ok | 08:24 |
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| Jope | then your best bet is to slide the piece of plastic between | 08:24 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: go get it :-) | 08:24 |
| Dima^ | Jope: I've think about it.. but I have only thin carton paper | 08:24 |
| Jope | ok | 08:24 |
| atlaz | ggabriel: i already posted a "if anyone is still looking for a christmas present for me, may i suggest A FRIGGIN LASER GUIDED BEARD TRIMMER" on facebook | 08:24 |
| Jope | that might also help | 08:24 |
| Jope | but the edges will probably just get dented | 08:25 |
| Jope | plastic is the best I've found. | 08:25 |
| Dima^ | they just did :) | 08:25 |
| Dima^ | have to find some plastic | 08:25 |
| Jope | I had to rescue a few N950s in my time when people did it here at the office | 08:25 |
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| Dima^ | so it is possible.. | 08:25 |
| Jope | yes | 08:25 |
| nander | jolla is teasing us... | 08:25 |
| jussi | how about just an "automatic laser beard trimmer" | 08:25 |
| nander | shop down for maintenance *trololol* | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | next up: the new iphone! | 08:26 |
| ggabriel | nander: hehe | 08:26 |
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| nander | iphone? I'd rather get aids... | 08:26 |
| ggabriel | too much load | 08:26 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: haha | 08:26 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: a new Jolla phone already? | 08:26 |
| jussi | or another half... | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | jolla with unicorn and ponies | 08:27 |
| Jope | rainbows and lollipops | 08:27 |
| jussi | oooh and rainbows out of its but? | 08:27 |
| jussi | butt | 08:27 |
| nander | I'd buy a unicorn-pony other half | 08:27 |
| atlaz | I..i can't get over that laser guided beard trimmer-thingy | 08:27 |
| atlaz | My wife's gonna kill herself if someone gets me that | 08:27 |
| jussi | atlaz: link or it doesnt exist... | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:27 |
| atlaz | "YOU GOTTA STOP WITH THAT "CHARGING MAH LAZORZ" OR I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL LEAVE YOU!" | 08:27 |
| atlaz | jussi @ 10:23 | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, beard trimmer TOH? | 08:28 |
| nander | it would be hilarious to create an official jolla qwerty other half and give it a unicorn rainbow pony background | 08:28 |
| ggabriel | ok, i get the joke, but it isn't funny when it is explained | 08:28 |
| Jope | indeed it is not. | 08:28 |
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| Jope | language trickery never works when translated :-) | 08:28 |
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| Jope | and boy is the finnish language full of exploitable goodness that no foreigner can ever get. :-D | 08:28 |
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| jussi | that one is an awesome joke :D | 08:29 |
| ggabriel | Jope: i saw a lot of dubbed stuff in my time, and after seeing it in english, i have to admit that some people pull it off | 08:29 |
| jussi | and I agree, trying to explain it would kill it | 08:29 |
| ggabriel | now... jolla=boat/who/which? really? | 08:29 |
| Jope | jolla = boat | 08:29 |
| Jope | joka = whom | 08:30 |
| Jope | jolla = whom has | 08:30 |
| ggabriel | right | 08:30 |
| flux | crysaz, read random comments, no pointers sorry | 08:30 |
| ggabriel | never saw that before | 08:30 |
| atlaz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinghy_sailing == Jolla | 08:30 |
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| atlaz | I mean, Dinghy would have been a much more cool name for the company | 08:30 |
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| nander | I think a student here must have quite a laugh when I entered Alankamaat (or however it's spelled) in the surname field | 08:30 |
| ggabriel | in my home country there's a place called "moron" | 08:32 |
| ggabriel | and they have a university | 08:32 |
| ggabriel | some people put in their cv's "moron university" | 08:32 |
| nander | lol | 08:32 |
| jussi | atlaz: so we could all just change it into dingy ?:P | 08:32 |
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| atlaz | ggabriel: http://literalfinnish.tumblr.com/post/13789157400/i-couldnt-look-at-this-and-not-translate-some-of (those are some real places in finland) | 08:32 |
| atlaz | I'd really like to live in Leather Pants | 08:33 |
| atlaz | If Kuuma and Nahkahousut would join in a mutual municipality, then their name would be HOT LEATHERPANTS! | 08:34 |
| ggabriel | hahaha | 08:34 |
| jussi | I used to live near to the shortest named place in europe... Ii | 08:34 |
| nander | A | 08:35 |
| nander | That's shorter ;) | 08:35 |
| ggabriel | jussi: then you moved to wales, where the longest named place is, right? | 08:35 |
| atlaz | Yeah. I accidentally discriminated the people of Ii for a while. My webshops order form didn't validate unless your city name was longer than three characters :) | 08:35 |
| jussi | ggabriel: lol | 08:35 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: Ii-10char? | 08:35 |
| Dima^ | Just learned from another forum that using adapters voids warranty and Nokia charges 210.- Euro (270 US$) for repair. :D | 08:35 |
| Dima^ | oh crap.. | 08:36 |
| jussi | actually, its not the shortest name, but pretty damn close | 08:36 |
| nander | A (with a circle on it) is a town in Norway | 08:36 |
| jussi | Å | 08:36 |
| atlaz | Å, you mean | 08:36 |
| Jope | river (?) | 08:36 |
| atlaz | Thats swedish/norwegian for river | 08:36 |
| Jope | yes | 08:36 |
| nander | It's a town | 08:36 |
| ggabriel | Dima^: that's elop's doing | 08:36 |
| nander | As well | 08:36 |
| jussi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_short_place_names | 08:36 |
| atlaz | nander: yeah | 08:36 |
| ggabriel | i bet it's free for lumias | 08:36 |
| Dima^ | Nice, this N9 isn't in this price anymore | 08:37 |
| nander | The n9 has only one purpose right now | 08:37 |
| nander | Getting people to buy WP | 08:37 |
| nander | I put the nokia rss feed on once | 08:37 |
| nander | Only Windows Phone stuff | 08:37 |
| nander | NO N9 stuff | 08:37 |
| nander | Nothing | 08:37 |
| Dima^ | hmm.. If I can't sell this N9, I can use it as a sauna-phone and use internet via wifi :) | 08:38 |
| nander | it's like nokia wants n9 users to regret their decision to buy an n9 | 08:38 |
| ggabriel | when the jolla becomes my primary one, the n9 will be an expensive voip client i think | 08:38 |
| ggabriel | or i'll give it to my gf when her e7 dies | 08:38 |
| nander | my n9 will probably just take up space in a drawer ;) | 08:38 |
| ggabriel | or i'll use it to install sailfish | 08:38 |
| Jope | my n9 is in its original sales box | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | s@or@and/or@ | 08:39 |
| Jope | I have a second one too and it's also gathering dust | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | Jope: i've got that too | 08:39 |
| Dima^ | Jope: me too | 08:39 |
| nander | phonecalls work on sailfish, but not much else works | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | and i've got the headphones, unused | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | nander: yeah, but you can do multiboot and play | 08:39 |
| nander | alien dalvik, for instance, doesn't | 08:39 |
| nander | I did ;) | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | i don't think it's a good idea to keep dev mode on all the itme in your primary phone | 08:39 |
| nander | The ui is a bit borked on mine | 08:39 |
| nander | I have to close apps from the right instead of from the top | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | unless i buy aonther jolla... uhm.... | 08:39 |
| ggabriel | nander: yeah, known issue | 08:40 |
| Dima^ | ggabriel: why? | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | because things can happen | 08:40 |
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| Dima^ | If I need terminal.. I have to keep devmode on | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | something that you update or that you do that requires you to restore | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | Dima^: you can create your own shortcut | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | well, you can in the n9 | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | i believe it will be similar with sailfish | 08:40 |
| ggabriel | i use the terminal a lot | 08:40 |
| nander | there is no flasher yet unfortunately | 08:40 |
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| nander | so you can't *fully* restore | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | nander: no, but i mean reset to factory settings | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | restore contacts and stuff from a backup | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | and all | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | i mean, suppose you're doing something one evening on your primary phone | 08:41 |
| ggabriel | at 23.30 something happens and you have to restor everything | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | next morning you have to be up at 6am | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | you want to kill yourself | 08:42 |
| nander | if you play with things like wayland worse things could happen than a factory reset can solve | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | yeap, fair enough | 08:42 |
| zbenjamin | Why can't android apps access the contacts database? | 08:42 |
| nander | Well, the factory reset can solve it, but you can't get to the button | 08:42 |
| ggabriel | but for that you wait until the proper restore | 08:42 |
| nander | zbenjamin - security | 08:42 |
| nander | There is no UI to set that up yet, so it's a deny all at the moment | 08:42 |
| Dima^ | MAybe I try some Nokia Service, where they can try to open it on location | 08:42 |
| zbenjamin | nander: can i disable that? apps like WhatsApp are pretty useless without accessing contacts | 08:43 |
| Dima^ | zbenjamin: it sandboxed | 08:43 |
| nander | not yet | 08:43 |
| nander | the connection is not yet possible | 08:43 |
| zbenjamin | hmm ok, but it is planned in the future? | 08:43 |
| nander | I don't know | 08:43 |
| Dima^ | have to be :) | 08:43 |
| nander | I think it'd have to be | 08:43 |
| Dima^ | it useless otherwise | 08:43 |
| nander | Not useless | 08:44 |
| nander | What's app is useless then | 08:44 |
| zbenjamin | hand - tweaking also not possible? | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | some people managed to get WA working | 08:44 |
| zbenjamin | nander: like every app that needs access to contacts | 08:44 |
| nander | You can use 10.000.000 farting apps xD | 08:44 |
| ggabriel | i mean, reading ocntacts | 08:44 |
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| * ggabriel wants a WA client where i can set up contacts on the side so that they download only what i want them to download | 08:44 | |
| zbenjamin | nander: yeah who cares about Angry Birds, that are apps i can fully live without | 08:44 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: rly? who? how? ;) | 08:45 |
| zbenjamin | so its must be possible to hand tweak it | 08:45 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: search tmo's jolla ux thread | 08:45 |
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| ggabriel | some could, some couldn't | 08:45 |
| ggabriel | that's something i won't do when i get my phone tho | 08:45 |
| ggabriel | i don't use WA | 08:45 |
| Bysmyyr | I have most of the contacts in WA, they come when I wait several days. someone said that it not see other than normal local contacts | 08:46 |
| zbenjamin | tmo like talk.maemo.org? | 08:46 |
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| ggabriel | zbenjamin: yes | 08:46 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: hu? | 08:46 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: there are no technical details though | 08:46 |
| Bysmyyr | zbenjamin: ? | 08:47 |
| hene- | question of the day: did TheBootroo got his Jolla? | 08:47 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: they just appeared? | 08:47 |
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| Bysmyyr | yep | 08:47 |
| ggabriel | Bysmyyr: maybe they appear when WA actually wants do download them? | 08:47 |
| Bysmyyr | maybe... | 08:47 |
| ggabriel | which would suck really :) | 08:47 |
| zbenjamin | well i got all my old conversations from my android but no contacts | 08:47 |
| zbenjamin | everything is just phone numbers | 08:47 |
| Bysmyyr | ggabriel: but there is also new names which are not come from previous phone | 08:48 |
| ggabriel | Bysmyyr: you have to explain zbenjamin what trickery you used to make it work :) | 08:49 |
| zbenjamin | yes please :) | 08:49 |
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| Bysmyyr | zbenjamin: nothing :) just installed and tryed refresh several times in several days | 08:49 |
| Bysmyyr | but you have to have local contacts, no google etc... | 08:50 |
| jussi | hene-: I guess so, either that or he gave up... | 08:50 |
| ggabriel | hene-: he's busy refreshing the fedex page now | 08:50 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: ah i just have google contacts :/ | 08:51 |
| Bysmyyr | but not all numbers, about 10% is missing. zbenjamin download them and import | 08:51 |
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| TheBootroo | hene-: should get it today | 08:52 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: that would break my contacts from syncing ,,,, not nice | 08:52 |
| Bysmyyr | choices... | 08:53 |
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| hene- | jussi, ggabriel :D | 08:53 |
| hene- | TheBootroo, I surely hope so! :) | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: pretty quick turnaround | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | when did you have it in picking? mon/tue, right? | 08:54 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: tuesday | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | fedex is flying right now | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | should be here in a hurry | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | but i won't have it today, | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | i'm not home today | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | will have it tomorow or saturday | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | it'll be laying under the christmas tree, that will be beautiful | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | ^^ | 09:01 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: cool :) so you won't open it | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: ermm, i'll open it saturday at least, that you can be sure of ;-) | 09:01 |
| hene- | :D | 09:01 |
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| MMori | TheBootroo: Now I can say the "Yesssss!" for you | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: NO. | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | it's MY yes | 09:10 |
| MMori | :P | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | i'll say it all by myself | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | XD | 09:10 |
| MMori | Fine then, I meant it in a good way :) | 09:10 |
| jussi | mama mama, MMori stole my Yesssss! | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | and you guys will hear it whatever how far you leave | 09:10 |
| MMori | Yes not accepted | 09:10 |
| jussi | :P | 09:10 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: grats! | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | jussi: rotfl | 09:10 |
| MMori | that's what you get for trying to be nice. :( | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | jussi : mama, juste killed a man | 09:10 |
| * ggabriel resisting the temptation of being mean | 09:11 | |
| TheBootroo | MMori: stealing other's 'yes' is not nice dude | 09:11 |
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| MMori | :( | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo | but you can say "i'm so glad for you, truly" | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo | XDDDD | 09:11 |
| Trizt | How do you check the status on the delivery now? | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | MMori: you can say yes for me when i have it, don't worry ;-) | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo | Trizt: fedex.com | 09:12 |
| chem|st | so who was that interested in battery performance? 24% lost in 10h with no wifi no mdata; apps running messanger clock phone calendar | 09:12 |
| MMori | ggabriel: you're too kind | 09:12 |
| chem|st | received 4 sms | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo | \o/ | 09:12 |
| Trizt | TheBootroo: not found | 09:12 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: I'm truly happy for you | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: android on or off? | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: and location? | 09:12 |
| chem|st | android activated location off | 09:12 |
| jussi | MMori: you are welcome to buy me a jolla and then say Yessss for me when it comes :P' | 09:12 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: keep checking fedex until it appears | 09:12 |
| chem|st | no android apps running | 09:13 |
| celeron55 | chem|st: i actually tested last night too; 24% in 11 hours with no SIM, no wifi and settings app being idle | 09:13 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: it's been reported that if you shut down the acl, battery gets better | 09:13 |
| MMori | jussi: You're too greedy :P | 09:13 |
| chem|st | celeron55: so about the same I had.. | 09:13 |
| jussi | aaaaawwww | 09:13 |
| celeron55 | it's quite what one should expect from a smartphone with this size battery | 09:13 |
| MMori | jussi: You can try Santa Claus with that one | 09:13 |
| chem|st | celeron55: 4h on wifi down from ~70% to 25% | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | that's pretty steep | 09:14 |
| jussi | MMori: but... but... Stskeeps is santa claus this year and he is MEAN! :P :P | 09:14 |
| celeron55 | so hopefully we get larger batteries (we will, because it's replaceable and sits just behind the other half) | 09:14 |
| Pnuu | chem|st, celeron55: sounds familiar | 09:14 |
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| MMori | jussi: Does he bite and beat? | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | hopefully wifi power saving isn't implemented yet | 09:14 |
| Pnuu | celeron55: we will get better performance after some tweaking in the firmware | 09:14 |
| chem|st | celeron55: no its not... my n9 looses ~10%/d | 09:14 |
| jussi | MMori: youll have to ask him that yourself - bit personal questions :P | 09:15 |
| celeron55 | Pnuu: are any particular numbers we should expect? | 09:15 |
| celeron55 | +there | 09:15 |
| MMori | jussi: :P | 09:15 |
| chem|st | Trizt: how do you check your status | 09:15 |
| Pnuu | as I've understood, there's very little power saving features present | 09:15 |
| celeron55 | chem|st: well, i was comparing to android | 09:15 |
| chem|st | Trizt: you know about checking reference + country + postalcode | 09:15 |
| Pnuu | 'cause the SoC changed late in the design | 09:15 |
| Trizt | chem|st: I used to use the shop page but now it's down | 09:15 |
| Pnuu | celeron55: no, atleast I haven't seen | 09:16 |
| chem|st | celeron55: android sucks... but not as good as apple | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | define "apple" | 09:16 |
| jussi | my electrolux sucks pretty nicely... :P | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | iphone 4 is extemelly bad | 09:16 |
| Trizt | chem|st: yes, but I don't remember my postcode that well | 09:16 |
| chem|st | Trizt: go to fedex.com - search package but do not enter tracking number go to the search by reference - reference = 20000xxxx | 09:17 |
| Trizt | just wonder how many days it's should be in "picking", feels it's been like that for ever | 09:17 |
| chem|st | Trizt: you don't remember your address? | 09:17 |
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| Trizt | chem|st: no, just lived here for 2 years | 09:17 |
| chem|st | Trizt: why don't you know your postcode then? | 09:18 |
| Trizt | chem|st: no, I usually google for it | 09:18 |
| chem|st | hehe, then do that! | 09:18 |
| Trizt | but don't help, still not found | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: have you considered writing down your own address in your address book? | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | i think you definitely need the post code if you search by reference in fedex | 09:19 |
| Trizt | saw that quite many had already switched to shipping on the google doc with order numbers around me | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | i may be wrong | 09:19 |
| Trizt | ggabriel: was thinking of doing that on my underwear ;) | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | Trizt: that would be a big job... i'm hoping you have more than 1 set of underwear | 09:20 |
| Trizt | ggabriel: why would I? wash them each time I take a bath, around x-mas ;) | 09:20 |
| chem|st | celeron55: my N9 lost in the same time about 3% | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | haha | 09:21 |
| celeron55 | my e63 (which i use as a phone now and for the past many years) loses maybe 6% in light use in that time | 09:21 |
| celeron55 | i'll take jolla or other sailfish thing into use once they reach that kind of battery life and have a keyboard | 09:22 |
| pp_ | wifi and android seem to be powersucks, yes | 09:22 |
| pp_ | powertop <3 | 09:22 |
| chem|st | Trizt: I am pretty sure you have a trackingnumber even if it is not sent yet... | 09:22 |
| Trizt | chem|st: can't find it with reference | 09:23 |
| mcfrisk | yandex store service agreement is really unreadable on jolla browser, I guess that may be on purpose but still | 09:23 |
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| chem|st | I don't know any android device apart of my 7" tab that holds several days... | 09:23 |
| Trizt | I have around the same order number as TheBootroo | 09:23 |
| Trizt | mcfrisk: it just states that FSB can do what ever they want with your personal information | 09:24 |
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| chem|st | Trizt: then fsb has now a firstname r and a lastname s and an email and knows my mothers name... | 09:25 |
| mcfrisk | Trizt: sure, FSB will do anything they want anyway, but I should be able to read the agreement on jolla without scrolling sideways every paragraph on single line. | 09:25 |
| mcfrisk | and the paragraphs are not even completely rendered, sigh. | 09:26 |
| Trizt | that is bad, maybe it uses a too big viewpoint | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | copy/paste url to a desktop and read it once and that's it? | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | we know that landscape will arrive for the browser eventually | 09:27 |
| celeron55 | i installed 1mobile store on mine, and it's pretty good, doesn't require login and full of stuff (including all kinds of crap, malware and advertisements) | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | (chuck norris would retype the url instead of copy pasting) | 09:28 |
| celeron55 | *1mobile market | 09:28 |
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| cvp | Ahoi | 09:31 |
| Trizt | at last, they got it into their database, is there any way to see which company will deliver? | 09:31 |
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| cvp | FedEx | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | shop back online | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | you can order w/o preorder | 09:32 |
| Trizt | which local company will deliver it for fedex? | 09:32 |
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| mcfrisk | Yandex registration has typos: "Please choose a questoin" | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | mcfrisk: mac os x's man pages have typos too | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | :) | 09:35 |
| mcfrisk | Also, editing png screenshots is not possible, sigh. | 09:35 |
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| * ShadowJK checks if anything happened to his preorder | 09:36 | |
| ggabriel | hehe, shop's homepage says 3-4 weeks but the product detail page says 2-4 weeks | 09:37 |
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| ShadowJK | in picking D: | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: woohoo | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | mine hasn't changed though | 09:38 |
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| ShadowJK | was like that yesterday too, and that was the official last day for a package to reach before xmas :) | 09:38 |
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| stephg | ShadowJK mine was in picking I think until I got it | 09:39 |
| stephg | I got the tracking email but it was already here | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: official according to whom? even royal mail in the uk guarantees if you post 1st class on friday :) | 09:39 |
| Trizt | ShadowJK: mine was at picking this morning, but just 10 mins ago I could find it in fedex tracking search | 09:39 |
| ShadowJK | according itella in .fi, afaik | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: ah, finland is a different story | 09:40 |
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| pigletto | chem|st: glad to hear that your jolla drains battery so fast, that means that I'm not the only one ;) | 09:42 |
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| pigletto | from 100% to 75 within 7 hours of doing nothing, just lying and awaiting alarm clock... | 09:43 |
| chem|st | pigletto: yeah it is know so far only not how much as everybody is on first/second cycle | 09:44 |
| chem|st | pigletto: will powertop... | 09:44 |
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| chem|st | oh yeha guys if you cannot ssh to your device... mine stalls on login and proceeds when unlocking the device... | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: it's a security feature | 09:46 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: it seems to do that on cl input too | 09:46 |
| pigletto | chem|st: I've noticed slowndown when screen is locked, eg. when connected via ssh and running top -d1 | 09:47 |
| chem|st | but yeah I guessed that! nice btw! | 09:47 |
| ShadowJK | Battery itself doesn't change performance between first and 20th cycle in any statistically significant wat. The meter, however, could change :P | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw, locked and screen off, it naturally goes into a bit of suspend-like mode | 09:48 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: yeah it probably does what they all do... get stuck at some percentage and wait there for the spontaneous end^^ | 09:48 |
| pigletto | ShadowJK: do you mean that meter is inaccurate? I've drained battery to 2% and my jolla switched off | 09:48 |
| pigletto | ShadowJK: so seems to me that it was ok | 09:48 |
| ShadowJK | No I mean "battery needs a few charges and discharges before it works at full capacity"-thing is a myth | 09:49 |
| chem|st | the 2% might be actually 15% the logic does not know from one cycle but the device powersoff | 09:49 |
| chem|st | happened on n900, and if your calibration was off | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: i think that myth is so that people don't expect the meter to work properly until adjusted | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | also, there are so many myths about batteries.... | 09:50 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: well a myth with 5% truth, the batteries have an onboardlogic which is overly secure | 09:51 |
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| chem|st | truth for those batteries is you will have the longest lifespan with charging above 30% and below 85%^^ | 09:52 |
| chem|st | perfect fit for solarchargers... | 09:53 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: i experienced a fair lifespan by charging only when below 20% until full in one charge most of the time | 09:53 |
| celeron55 | another truth is that li-* batteries work best when not too warm | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | i'm happy with a battery that performs seamlessly for about a year | 09:53 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: yeah we are not talking years.... | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | celeron55: and not too cold :P | 09:54 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: in the jolla context, i'll give them time to adjust power saving features | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | alhtough i was impressed with initial reports (with android off and whatnot) | 09:54 |
| celeron55 | ggabriel: well, i guess too cold doesn't easily negatively affect the lifespan, but they won't give out much current 8) | 09:54 |
| chem|st | my first LiPo still lasts... stored at 45% was in use for 3a in a row with exactly that charging behaviour | 09:54 |
| ln- | chem|st: are those percentages some kind of real, physical percentages? and how well do they correlate to what phones report to the user? | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | never tried LiPo's | 09:55 |
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| celeron55 | ln-: they should directly correspond, as phone measures capacity | 09:55 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: LiPolymere? most phones have that | 09:56 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: how to switch android off? | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i thought it was LiMH | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | pigletto: have access to terminal? | 09:56 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: yes | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | there's an aliendalvik.service that you can switch off with systemctl | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | search tmo's jolla ux thread | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | (i'm having a meeting in ~3 minutes, can't guarantee i'll find it) | 09:57 |
| ln- | celeron55: without further evidence i don't quite believe that e.g. 0% reported by phone would be the physical 0% which is bad for li-ion batteries. | 09:57 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: ok, will look for this | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | pigletto: or plainly uninstall | 09:57 |
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| chem|st | ln-: well the read percentage by a device can be a little off at times as it learns from cycles what is what, but for the battery it is real | 09:58 |
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| ggabriel | ln-: that could be a bug though, battery doesn't report percentages | 09:58 |
| celeron55 | the phone does skew it at the lower end, but i guess usually not that much | 09:58 |
| celeron55 | ln-: in voltage it translates to something like "somewhat under 4 volts per cell" | 09:59 |
| celeron55 | (depending on the exact chemistry though) | 09:59 |
| atlaz | Oh my damn. Traditional thursday pea-soup and pancake is digesting and making me sleepy | 10:02 |
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| pigletto | ggabriel: systemctl stop aliendalvik.service seems to stopped this | 10:04 |
| pigletto | we will see | 10:04 |
| ggabriel | pigletto: you have powertop as well to help with power related issues | 10:04 |
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| ggabriel | "oh no, my battery only lasts 10 hours while mining bitcoins" :-D | 10:05 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: seems I don't have powertop | 10:05 |
| ggabriel | oh, you may need to install. search same thread :) | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | i think w00t left instructions | 10:06 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: the separator is a polymere | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yeah, you may be right | 10:06 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: ok, i suppose that I need to add some extra repositories | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | i'm not up to date with bat tech | 10:06 |
| pigletto | ggabriel: txh | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | s/bat/batt/ | 10:07 |
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| chem|st | if they wrote the correct terminology on nokia batteries the n900 bl5j is Li-ion - comes with advantages of cycle degradation | 10:08 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: the handwriting layout is for chineseChars right? | 10:15 |
| chem|st | does it support more? | 10:15 |
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| ShadowJK | Is the battery held together by a metal container exterting pressure on its contents? If so, it's not LiPo. Is the battery more rectangular than cylindrical, does it lack a rigid metallic wall and is more like a bag, possibly surrounded by plastic shell? If so, LiPo | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | .. handwriting layout? | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | rest is mostly marketing | 10:18 |
| tachikom1 | guess waht just arrived :) | 10:18 |
| tachikom1 | *unpacking* | 10:18 |
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| atlaz | Anyone got news on TheBootroo and his phone? | 10:19 |
| atlaz | Did he commit suicide or get his phone? He is weirdly silent | 10:19 |
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| ShadowJK | atlaz; phone is on the way | 10:19 |
| Frye | I'd hope he got it =) | 10:19 |
| tachikom1 | i guess he got it as well | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | It remains to be seen whether it will be delivered or if the fedex person will be playing hide and seek | 10:20 |
| tachikom1 | lol | 10:20 |
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| Frye | At least there was progress on the order status | 10:20 |
| Frye | That seemed to do the trick | 10:20 |
| jussi | [11:01:02] <TheBootroo> will have it tomorow or saturday | 10:20 |
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| Frye | =) | 10:21 |
| Milo- | so the drama will finally come to an end? | 10:21 |
| tachikom1 | mine was picked up by fedex yesterday evening and now arrived | 10:21 |
| tachikom1 | not even a whole day | 10:21 |
| jussi | nice | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | it's being delivered today | 10:21 |
| Frye | Wohoo | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | but i'm traveling for work | 10:21 |
| tachikom1 | TheBootroo: great :) | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | will have i saturday just before i go in vacation | 10:21 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yeah the kbd layout | 10:21 |
| Frye | What matters is that you should get it before you leave for holidays. | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | will surely play with it in the train | 10:22 |
| Frye | :D | 10:22 |
| tachikom1 | wow, it's light | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | yeah | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: what about you ? | 10:22 |
| tachikom1 | just unpacking it :) | 10:22 |
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| TheBootroo | you were not too far behind me | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | cool | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | i heard global sales just began | 10:22 |
| tachikom1 | yes, guess our batch was sent the same time | 10:22 |
| TheBootroo | my best friend is ordering it | 10:22 |
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| Trizt | why does the jolla shop jump between https/http ? | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo | BEST CHRISTMAS EVER | 10:23 |
| tachikom1 | yes | 10:23 |
| tachikom1 | well, 4 years ago i got my n900 for christmas | 10:23 |
| Pnuu | and it's not christmas yet! | 10:23 |
| tachikom1 | similar :) | 10:23 |
| Pnuu | +even | 10:23 |
| tachikom1 | for some it is now ;) | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo | This year for Christmas, i have : The Jolla Phone, Qt5.2, QtCreator 3.0, Clang 3.4, hehe | 10:23 |
| Trizt | tachikom1: I got it after newyear, wouldn't be surprised same thing will happen with fedex | 10:24 |
| tachikom1 | TheBootroo: geekmas ;) | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | oh yeah | 10:25 |
| tachikom1 | the worst time is now the charging before turning it on .... | 10:26 |
| jussi | this year for christmas I have a lost wallet and a bunch of debts :/ | 10:26 |
| zbenjamin | tachikom1: its precharged | 10:26 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: not charged ? | 10:26 |
| Frye | tachikom1, if the battery is Li-anything you can just turn it on | 10:26 |
| zbenjamin | hehe ;) | 10:26 |
| stephg | tachikom1 yeah mine was at about 70% when I took it out of the box | 10:26 |
| tachikom1 | i usually charge all devices fully before turning them on the first time | 10:27 |
| leinir | modern batteries ship charged out of the factory... simply because waking them up from a complete decharche is an immense amount of work and consumers just won't do that ;) | 10:27 |
| Frye | That is because li-X batteries pretty much must be stored at approx 70% of charge so those stay good. | 10:27 |
| leinir | *nods* | 10:27 |
| tachikom1 | joll stickers ... | 10:27 |
| tachikom1 | hrm, where do i put those now | 10:28 |
| leinir | tachikom1: *gasp* Your stickers are broken, they're supposed to say jolla, not joll! :O | 10:28 |
| leinir | *hides* ;) | 10:28 |
| tachikom1 | lol, yeah | 10:28 |
| tachikom1 | more likely my keyboard | 10:28 |
| leinir | you missed an opportunity there, "loo, yeh, more likely my keybord" ;) | 10:29 |
| tachikom1 | however, some sad moment as well, taking the sim card out of my loyal n900 | 10:30 |
| celeron55 | a very sad moment for phone keyboards | 10:31 |
| cvp | Damn, have anyone the same problems with the Email App.... i cant sending emails :( (no exchange!) | 10:32 |
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| Acce | does jolla not support enterprise wpa? | 10:33 |
| Pnuu | nope | 10:33 |
| leinir | "yet" | 10:33 |
| celeron55 | is it just the UI or is there a driver issue? | 10:34 |
| AJAX555 | so, are those phones going to post office or are they home delivery as they say in jolla shop? | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | Acce: Soon (TM) | 10:35 |
| tachikom1 | celeron55: only a matter of time until toh with keyboard will existe i hop | 10:37 |
| Acce | TheBootroo: heh | 10:37 |
| Pnuu | hop skip and jump | 10:37 |
| ShadowJK | AJAX555; my coworkers received theirs at the post office/service point | 10:37 |
| Acce | well, it's probably just the ui, if the backend uses wpa supplicant | 10:37 |
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| cvp | have anyone smtp / email sending problems ? | 10:38 |
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| AJAX555 | ShadowJK: good, because I think that way is faster | 10:38 |
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| ShadowJK | But who knows if they switched to fedex for .fi too | 10:39 |
| stephg | cvp yeah | 10:39 |
| Acce | cvp: yes | 10:39 |
| stephg | cvp what do you see? | 10:39 |
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| tachikom1 | ohkaaay | 10:40 |
| cvp | Syncroning... nothing mire | 10:40 |
| tachikom1 | the sim card does not fit | 10:40 |
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| cvp | more | 10:40 |
| tachikom1 | i guess i need a smaller one ... | 10:40 |
| Pnuu | tachikom1: yes, micro-sim | 10:40 |
| Raim | Acce: apparently WPA2 Enterprise is not uspported... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92057 | 10:40 |
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| cvp | acce stephg , there is no fix over terminal possible ? | 10:41 |
| Acce | Raim: ok, let me see (for now I got connect to Uni network via web interface though) | 10:41 |
| stephg | cvp that's more or less what I see | 10:41 |
| stephg | but it's probably down to my mail server and the combination of encryption and authentication | 10:42 |
| Acce | cvp: I haven't really tried to dig into it yet | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: you can DIY, plenty of howto on youtube | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | you just need cisors | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo | scissors | 10:42 |
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| Raim | Acce: which works, but is not that secure... | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo | tachikom1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u5-s63Dc2U | 10:43 |
| cvp | hope the next update this yeahr will fix this ans some others problems | 10:43 |
| Acce | Raim: true.. But nice to know I can set it up with wpa_supplicant | 10:43 |
| tachikom1 | yes, already watching TheBootroo | 10:44 |
| cvp | or go one mobilephone sho and let it cut for small money | 10:45 |
| cvp | shop | 10:45 |
| Raim | Acce: you can? so far I haven't heard that anyone succeeded. | 10:46 |
| Raim | Acce: although I did not try too hard myself yet, I mostly use it at home at the moment and in uni I used my laptop connection shared over USB networking. which was also fun to find out how to set that up ;) | 10:46 |
| Acce | Raim: I read too fast, didn't notice they said it's not working for them.. | 10:47 |
| Acce | I guess I'll try the wpa supplicant config later | 10:48 |
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| Bysmyyr | have someone any idea why "/" inode is 256, not 2 as normal | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: btrfs subvolume at a wild guess | 11:08 |
| Bysmyyr | maybe because /home have same inode | 11:09 |
| TheBootroo | this->jollaPhone ()->isDelivered () == true | 11:10 |
| TheBootroo | will seem long to me to wait going back home | 11:11 |
| TheBootroo | still 1.5 day | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | TheBootroo is getting his phone? | 11:12 |
| stephg | cool | 11:12 |
| stephg | TheBootroo told you you'd get it before xmas! | 11:12 |
| TheBootroo | Nicd-: delivered @home, /me back home saturday morning, then leave again for Xmas | 11:12 |
| TheBootroo | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: you're famous | 11:13 |
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| Pnuu | "I wonder what happened" | 11:20 |
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| Venemo | TheBootroo: what up? | 11:25 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: mah phone just got delivered | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | jolla fix the delivery, well done :) | 11:25 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: congrats :) | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: finally, now you'll shush? :P | 11:26 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: what'z your orderid? | 11:26 |
| TheBootroo | 200002549 | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: you getting yours soon too? :) | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: we'll see | 11:26 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: now i'll stfu | 11:26 |
| TheBootroo | and play with it | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: but let us know what you think | 11:27 |
| TheBootroo | you have to notice i did not come back on irc to whine since i got my fedex tracking page | 11:27 |
| TheBootroo | as i promised | 11:27 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: so, this is the day you will stop whining on the channel? awesome :) | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: i have noticed | 11:27 |
| petantik | So, has anyone else seen an issue, where the phone says the sim card had been removed and you need to restart? | 11:27 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: i stopped whinning since tuesday | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | i didn't notice that you promised that tho | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | petantik: is the sim card in any way loose? | 11:28 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i said i'll stop whinning when i'll have update | 11:28 |
| TheBootroo | i got update, tracking and phone | 11:28 |
| petantik | Stskeeps: I don't think so. it seems to happen nearly every morning around the same time. | 11:28 |
| petantik | Stskeeps: But it could just be some confirmation bias, since it's always in my pocket | 11:28 |
| ln- | petantik: o/ | 11:28 |
| petantik | ln-: \o | 11:29 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: great! | 11:29 |
| pp_ | petantik: I did before I switched to a factory-cut micro-sim (vs. a badly DIY one) | 11:29 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: which kind of preorder was it? 100€ / 40€ / 0€? | 11:29 |
| petantik | pp_: this was an actual microsim popout | 11:29 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: 0€ | 11:29 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: then how come you got it before me? | 11:30 |
| TheBootroo | preordered on 22 may | 11:30 |
| TheBootroo | placed checkout on 27 nov | 11:30 |
| Venemo | TheBootroo: so what? I had a 100€ preorder | 11:30 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: maybe you're punished by Santa for some bad behavior in the last year ? | 11:30 |
| TheBootroo | XD | 11:30 |
| Venemo | well I chose the 100€ option because I knew I would be impatient and wanted to receive it sooner | 11:30 |
| petantik | did the preorder deposit affect priority? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | i think to be honest that it ships in the order that you ordered it in | 11:31 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: i'm not sure le priority has been absolutely respected | 11:31 |
| Venemo | apparently nobody in jolla gives a shit about priority | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: it was said that priority had problems | 11:31 |
| Venemo | whatever. if it's here by christmas it's OK for me | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | so they chose to go with a method that worked | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: you in .fi? | 11:32 |
| chem|st | Venemo: some people way after me got it before me... if I trust that google doc | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: that google doc has at least one error ;-) | 11:32 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: your entry? | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: nope, somebody else's i noticed | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | my entry won't get updated as i got tired of it | 11:33 |
| chem|st | well I updated to delivered for their sake... | 11:33 |
| chem|st | wohho down to 60% in two hours.. lets see if I can have it down to 40 in one... | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | shut down the trojan horse | 11:34 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: I'm not in .fi, no | 11:34 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: ok, best of luck then | 11:34 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: i chose yesterday to assume it will come after xmas (order 36xx) | 11:35 |
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| minimec | Well... I am waiting for an answer by care@jolla.com for my order 5xx(!) to switzerland... | 11:36 |
| hene- | there is no setting at Jolla where you can determine time when to get emails (eg. 8am to 16pm) | 11:38 |
| hene- | ? | 11:38 |
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| pigletto | hene-: locale maybe? google for 'jolla locale' | 11:45 |
| flux | I seriously doubt locale affects that | 11:45 |
| ln- | i am pretty sure locale has nothing to do with it | 11:45 |
| flux | from what I've browsed the settings, there is no such setting | 11:45 |
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| Andy80 | hi! | 11:46 |
| flux | but, it should be possible to hack it in! by adding/removing firewall rules that prevent access to the mail server. such rules would need to be added/removed by a daemon, assuming there is no cron available. | 11:46 |
| flux | though it would really prevent all access to remote email outside the time window :) | 11:47 |
| Andy80 | a couple of questions about developer mode: 1) once enabled id (including SSH), what is the username? 2) why if I attach the USB cable to my PC (Ubuntu 13.04) it doesn't load the usb network interface? | 11:47 |
| flux | andy80, 1) nemo 2) dunno | 11:47 |
| tachikom1 | yay,cut me a sim card | 11:48 |
| leinir | snip-snip | 11:48 |
| tachikom1 | biggest problem was getting printer to work for printing out some shape | 11:48 |
| tachikom1 | now - trying to enter my wlan passphrase and can;t find the space key on the on screen keyboard ... | 11:48 |
| tachikom1 | ah, 'en' is written on it, lol | 11:49 |
| leinir | basically, where it normally is ;) | 11:50 |
| tachikom1 | yes :) | 11:51 |
| Venemo | I'm afraid that the courier companies will shut down during the holidays | 11:51 |
| tachikom1 | oops problem with account creation ... | 11:51 |
| Venemo | so even if jolla sends it on like 23rd I won't receive it until new year | 11:51 |
| flux | oculd still ship. don't lose your hope! hope is all you have! | 11:52 |
| flux | s/ship/get it/ | 11:52 |
| pigletto | ln-: right, I misunderstood your question | 11:54 |
| Andy80 | flux, thanks :) | 11:54 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, you're still in time... it took less than 24 hours for me to have the package delivered | 11:55 |
| Andy80 | they shipped yesterday evening | 11:55 |
| Venemo | Andy80: really? how far was the distance? | 11:56 |
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| smokex | you sure? this time of year seems like the worst time for courier/shipping companies to shut down | 11:58 |
| Nicd- | clock app downloaded 5300 times | 11:58 |
| tachikom1 | mh, i can't create a jolla account to access the store | 11:59 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: you have your account already... | 12:00 |
| chem|st | why you want another? | 12:00 |
| tachikom1 | di i? | 12:00 |
| tachikom1 | do i? | 12:00 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: if you ordered a device you have one yes | 12:01 |
| chem|st | the same account as on jolla.com | 12:01 |
| tachikom1 | ah :) | 12:01 |
| chem|st | you can login on jolla.com and see your device listed as soon as you used the store once | 12:02 |
| flux | nicd-, I guess that's a safe estimate of the # of people that have received the phone. unless the numbers are fudged.. | 12:02 |
| chem|st | flux: count me ten times... on all jolla apps! | 12:03 |
| flux | chem|st, you've redownloaded all jolla-apps 10 times? | 12:03 |
| chem|st | at least | 12:03 |
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| flux | well, good for you I suppose ;) | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | yeah I think you can safely substract at least 1000 from it | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | plenty of people try things out and reset their phone | 12:04 |
| flux | they could just count downloads by distinct jolla users | 12:04 |
| chem|st | we should be around 3000 people with phones now | 12:04 |
| flux | (but I guess they don't) | 12:04 |
| flux | of course, people should have more than one account | 12:04 |
| flux | uh I mean could | 12:04 |
| flux | probably the numbers also increase when they internally test stuff | 12:05 |
| tachikom1 | well, that now also explains why my username was already taken ... | 12:05 |
| tachikom1 | ... by me :) | 12:05 |
| chem|st | hehe | 12:05 |
| chem|st | yes | 12:05 |
| flux | I wonder if jolla is going to offer some (cryptographically) safe storage of contacts/installed apps/settings/etc some time in the future. apple experience, but safer! | 12:05 |
| chem|st | flux: encryption is in the works afaik | 12:06 |
| flux | I actually meant some form of 'cloud' backup, of course on-device encryption would be nice as well | 12:07 |
| leinir | yes please - cloud, not fog | 12:07 |
| flux | could be implemented already with, say, ecryptfs.. | 12:07 |
| chem|st | flux: lol apple? their cloud is to collect userdata | 12:07 |
| tachikom1 | mh, the shop frontpage is confusing | 12:07 |
| flux | chem|st, exactly, so I was pointing out it could be done without that part | 12:07 |
| flux | I do find it a very compelling feature that you can nuke your device and get a new one with everything already in it | 12:08 |
| chem|st | I'd love to have integrated owncloud and $DAV support... | 12:08 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: yeah it is... | 12:08 |
| flux | as far as I know mozilla does browser bookmark&etc synchronization without them having the possibility of peeking in | 12:08 |
| flux | requires you to keep your password safe, of course | 12:08 |
| tachikom1 | i jus see an tv advertisement feturing hal2000 .. wtf | 12:09 |
| tachikom1 | telling me that i need to download some app | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | f-droid <3 | 12:10 |
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| chem|st | for now the only shop I will download androids from.... | 12:10 |
| chem|st | what happens when I uninstall yandex store? | 12:11 |
| Frye | Don't =) | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | android support gets uninstalled | 12:11 |
| sdjayna | that will remove android support at the moment | 12:11 |
| Frye | Just add something next to it. | 12:11 |
| tachikom1 | "enabling developer mode" :) | 12:11 |
| ggabriel | tenes gas/electricidad? | 12:12 |
| chem|st | hmm a import contacts from file showed up... in settings apps people | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | sorry wc | 12:12 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: sdjayna what I thought as it gets installed with it | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | there it is | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | the only app i really need | 12:13 |
| tachikom1 | "terminal" :) | 12:13 |
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| tachikom1 | is there any way to access the store via commandline? | 12:14 |
| tachikom1 | like zypper/apt-get | 12:14 |
| chem|st | pkcon install zypper | 12:14 |
| Nicd- | pkcon is installed by default | 12:14 |
| tachikom1 | thx | 12:15 |
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| tachikom1 | mh, my first impression is - confusing | 12:15 |
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| tachikom1 | but not in a bad way | 12:15 |
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| Pnuu | tachikom1: that'll pass :-) | 12:16 |
| tachikom1 | i have the terminal, everything else is not that important :) | 12:17 |
| Wnt | about contacsd consuming to's of CPU time: yesterday when it was consuming ~80% CPU time I tried killing it but it didn't respond | 12:17 |
| tachikom1 | now just get some bt keyboard paired and ready i am | 12:17 |
| Wnt | "killall -9 contacsd" did kill it, but it immediatelly restarted and continued to consume CPU time | 12:18 |
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| tachikom1 | mh, scrolling up in the terminal, dows it work? | 12:18 |
| chem|st | change settings to scroll | 12:18 |
| Wnt | tachikom1: select drag mode from the settings | 12:18 |
| tachikom1 | ahhhh | 12:19 |
| vbmithr | what is SSU ? | 12:19 |
| vbmithr | tachikom1: confused as well :) | 12:19 |
| tachikom1 | ssh is preinstalled, i like it | 12:19 |
| mcfrisk | hmbh, N9 has bunch of files saved from email etc in /home/user which is not visible with mass storage mount, that's why bunch of pictures, music etc were not copied to my jolla. Need to mv all of the to MyDocs first on N9, then rsync to PC, then to jolla. | 12:19 |
| MMori | http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/sarjis/560/1305762665686?ts=264 was this here already? | 12:19 |
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| Wnt | anyone know workarounds for the contactsd CPU hogging? e.g. would using offline mode for all accounts prevent the problem? | 12:20 |
| Wnt | MMori: :D | 12:20 |
| nadriel | vbmithr: Secure su? | 12:21 |
| vbmithr | I can't install zypper because "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)" | 12:21 |
| MMori | Jolla in Fingerpori, this must be a big deal | 12:21 |
| vbmithr | Guess I have to add dev repos or something like that | 12:21 |
| nadriel | https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/lisa98/full_papers/thorpe/thorpe.pdf | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | vbmithr: are you on 1.0.1.12 | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | and got a jolla account | 12:22 |
| vbmithr | I have got a jolla account, but | 12:22 |
| vbmithr | No idea what version I'm on | 12:22 |
| nadriel | MMori, : D | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | check about product | 12:22 |
| vbmithr | hough | 12:22 |
| vbmithr | 1.0.0.5 | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | you might want to update your device | 12:23 |
| vbmithr | I see | 12:23 |
| vbmithr | How do I do that ? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | go into about product in settings -> system settings, pulley menu -> check for updates | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | and when found, update device | 12:24 |
| vbmithr | says I'm up to date | 12:26 |
| vbmithr | I'm trying to use activate "Allow dev updates"… | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you should not do that.. | 12:27 |
| vbmithr | ok | 12:27 |
| vbmithr | Well, I did not do it :) | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:27 |
| vbmithr | It says "host require authentication" anyway | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | you might as well just factory reset your device by now, or type in foo@sales and a random password in the 'allow dev updates' box | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | and reboot | 12:27 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: as Stskeeps just says DO NOT activate dev updates | 12:28 |
| vbmithr | and that would help with the upgrades ? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | vbmithr: probably yes | 12:29 |
| vbmithr | Ok, let's check that out | 12:29 |
| Andy80 | do you know how do I install an .apk on Jolla? I'm trying to follow these instructions http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html but I don't know how to install the things at point 9 and 10 | 12:30 |
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| MMori | Andy click the links and let them download | 12:30 |
| MMori | after download, click the downloaded files -> installed | 12:30 |
| Andy80 | MMori, I downloaded them, but I don't know how to access these files once donwloaded | 12:31 |
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| MMori | swipe up from outside of the bottom of the screen to open up the downloaded files | 12:31 |
| MMori | that will open up the "notifications" | 12:32 |
| MMori | should be found there. | 12:32 |
| Andy80 | oh | 12:32 |
| Andy80 | sorry :) | 12:32 |
| MMori | no problem, it takes a while ^^ | 12:32 |
| MMori | Play Store on Jolla is like a candy store | 12:33 |
| atlaz | MMori: did you test netflix did it work okay for you? | 12:34 |
| MMori | atlaz: yes I tried it out and it worked fine | 12:34 |
| atlaz | Nice | 12:34 |
| MMori | didn't try multiple movies but the ones I tried worked well | 12:34 |
| Guest97399 | is anyone else having problems with the email client and a gmail account? I see odd things, for instance sometimes new empty emails appear in Deleted Items | 12:37 |
| Guest97399 | and sending fails more often than not | 12:38 |
| cvp | Sending over Strao and Arcor is not working, is normal :( hope there will fix veeeery fast. | 12:39 |
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| Guest97399 | now empty emails keep popping up in Drafts too :( | 12:40 |
| Guest97399 | whenever there is a "Problem with sync" | 12:40 |
| vbmithr | Stskeeps: working | 12:43 |
| vbmithr | Stskeeps: Interesting that the updates | 12:43 |
| vbmithr | were blocked for some reason | 12:44 |
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| pp_ | MMori: paid apps may not work :-) | 12:45 |
| pp_ | I lost 0.77e to amazing alex ;_; | 12:45 |
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| MMori | pp_: someone said earlier that those can be remote installed from browser. I haven't tested | 12:46 |
| atlaz | pp_: my in-app-purchases worked atleast | 12:47 |
| pp_ | E/AndroidRuntime( 2314): *** FATAL EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS: PackageManager | 12:47 |
| pp_ | E/AndroidRuntime( 2314): java.lang.NullPointerException | 12:47 |
| atlaz | On a triplog software | 12:47 |
| pp_ | E/AndroidRuntime( 2314): at android.os.Parcel.readException(Parcel.java:1431) | 12:47 |
| pp_ | don't think reporting would do much good :-) | 12:47 |
| MMori | yeah | 12:47 |
| pp_ | hill climbing racer did lose ads and give me 150000 coins | 12:47 |
| pp_ | (did take a restart to notice them, tho) | 12:48 |
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| ggabriel | so.... we'll have a together.jolla.com to vote on features and stuff like that apparently | 12:48 |
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| pp_ | suppose the developer can choose a variety of anti-piracy countermeasures | 12:48 |
| pp_ | and the more strict ones are unlikely to work :-) | 12:50 |
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| tobiski | oh, my beanie arrived today | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: \o/ | 12:52 |
| chem|st | mtp is the devil... some like all 300 files one does not read well and needs to get skipped | 12:52 |
| chem|st | and for fsck sake why does mobiledata turn it self on every now and then? | 12:53 |
| MMori | chem|st: have never happened to me | 12:53 |
| MMori | *has | 12:53 |
| chem|st | MMori: skipping files or mdata? | 12:55 |
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| MMori | mdata | 12:55 |
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| chem|st | libmtp error: could not get file from device (I have that with all mtp devices) | 12:59 |
| jussi | Ok, so to make all you non finns jealous, I received my Permanent (p) residence permit for Finland today \o/ | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: congrats | 12:59 |
| chem|st | I will start rsyncing again... | 12:59 |
| jussi | thanks Stskeeps! | 12:59 |
| chem|st | jussi: grats! | 12:59 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: .ssh in home ok? authorized_keys and stuff? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | i think so | 13:00 |
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| atlaz | jussi: whats a Permanent residence permit? | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | 10MB/s via usb is painful + that mtp fsckup... | 13:00 |
| jussi | atlaz: it means I can live here like a citizen, with the 1 exception of voting rights | 13:00 |
| atlaz | ohkay | 13:00 |
| jussi | atlaz: permanently... | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: heh, i can't even vote for danish pariliament | 13:01 |
| jussi | (for people married to finns it goes 1 year, 3 years, permanent) | 13:01 |
| sharpneli | jussi: Gz. Though with name "Jussi" I kinda assumed you already were a Finn :D | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | sharpneli: he changed his name to convince the authorities easier | 13:02 |
| vbmithr | Is it possible to reboot the device ? | 13:02 |
| jussi | sharpneli: most people do. I look like one, have a decent finnish accent when speaking finnish, and have lived here long enough to know most of the customs... | 13:02 |
| jussi | (although most finns can tell Im a foreigner from the accent, but its better than a lot of foreigners) | 13:02 |
| MMori | jussi: do you find this amusing? http://hs13.snstatic.fi/webkuva/sarjis/560/1305762665686?ts=264 | 13:02 |
| jussi | MMori: I do :) | 13:03 |
| MMori | Welcome to country! :) | 13:03 |
| jussi | MMori: I have however been here for 8.5 years... | 13:03 |
| MMori | Yeah, I kinda got that you've been here longer | 13:03 |
| AntiHawk | hi everyone: again I have some problems: I've just lost all sounds from android apps | 13:03 |
| AntiHawk | any ideas | 13:04 |
| jussi | AntiHawk: tried turning it off and on again? :P :P | 13:04 |
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| jussi | (sorry...) | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | MMori: hee hee hee hee | 13:05 |
| AntiHawk | yep and I have plugged audio jack in and out and tried to use bluetooth stereo headset also, native sailfish sounds are fine... | 13:05 |
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| jussi | MMori: I can actually go get citizen ship as soon as I go get my language skills accepted by some authority and do the application. pretty much just paper (and money) work now | 13:06 |
| sharpneli | jussi: What is your native language btw? | 13:06 |
| jussi | sharpneli: english (Australian) | 13:06 |
| MMori | jussi: ^^ Sounds good! | 13:07 |
| Jope | not bad if you've managed to master relatively accent free finnish coming from an english speaking background. | 13:07 |
| Pnuu | "hello you all bruces an sheilas!" | 13:07 |
| jussi | Pnuu: ... | 13:07 |
| Pnuu | 8-) | 13:07 |
| jussi | Jope: it certainly isnt perfect, but its "decent" | 13:08 |
| Jope | great | 13:08 |
| MMori | well Finnish is a difficult language | 13:08 |
| jussi | and some words are... "hard" | 13:08 |
| Jope | "dashing through the bush / in a rusty holden ute" .. | 13:08 |
| * Jope dodges | 13:08 | |
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| Dima^ | which one? | 13:08 |
| Jope | our ng and ae oe ie diftongs | 13:08 |
| MMori | vessapaperirullatelineellänsäkään? | 13:09 |
| jussi | Dima^: anything with an r followed by a hard consonant. ie. Terttu | 13:09 |
| Jope | hääyöaie | 13:09 |
| Pnuu | http://rikocb.tumblr.com/post/65128986914/english-a-dog-swedish-what-english-the | 13:09 |
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| Dima^ | ah ok :) | 13:09 |
| MMori | Jope: :D | 13:09 |
| jussi | MMori: that one isnt so hard once you read it through a few times | 13:09 |
| Pnuu | Jope: riiuuyöaie | 13:09 |
| atlaz | Im bi-lingual (swedish-finnish) and i have the disadvantage to not be able to write either one properly :P | 13:09 |
| Dima^ | That why Perkele is the first word to learn | 13:09 |
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| Jope | I'd have thought vittu | 13:09 |
| AntiHawk | speaking of finnish language, somethimes it's funny to use too: http://i.imgur.com/2vhgoGN.png | 13:09 |
| Jope | julsex kommer tillbaka | 13:10 |
| AntiHawk | speaking of meanings | 13:10 |
| jussi | Löyly used to be hard, but now moving vowel to vowel is ok | 13:10 |
| Pnuu | AntiHawk: hah, that rocks | 13:10 |
| Dima^ | I'm bilingual finnish-russian :) | 13:10 |
| jussi | AntiHawk: yeah, seen that one before | 13:10 |
| jussi | Dima^: trilingual... | 13:10 |
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| jussi | you seem to have english ok also | 13:10 |
| Dima^ | Though finnish is better than russian | 13:10 |
| atlaz | Everyone in Finland has good english | 13:11 |
| atlaz | Atleast if your under 30 | 13:11 |
| Dima^ | yea.. but not so fluently | 13:11 |
| sharpneli | AntiHawk: Also http://i.imgur.com/cl7xQk8.png someone should make the english caption version of that :D | 13:11 |
| ln- | atlaz: except those who don't | 13:11 |
| jussi | hehe | 13:11 |
| jussi | as ln- says... | 13:11 |
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| AntiHawk | I just recently someone should make the english caption version of that :D | 13:11 |
| Pnuu | sharpneli: aargh :-D | 13:11 |
| atlaz | The first english i learned was "I love you Brooke". My grandmother had me watching the bold & the beautiful while she had me for daycare when i was 4-5 years old | 13:12 |
| atlaz | Also "RIDGE, NO!" was a common sentence i used alot | 13:12 |
| Jope | :-D | 13:12 |
| MMori | atlaz: Poor you | 13:12 |
| Jope | lolz | 13:12 |
| Pnuu | ouch | 13:12 |
| atlaz | I still remember when Throne shot Ridge in the head | 13:12 |
| Dima^ | atlaz: :D | 13:12 |
| atlaz | *Thorne | 13:12 |
| pvilja | atlaz: so i wasn't the only one :D | 13:12 |
| Jope | :-D | 13:12 |
| atlaz | and Taylor died! | 13:13 |
| atlaz | no, Caroline | 13:13 |
| Pnuu | a game of thornes | 13:13 |
| jussi | oh dear. this conversation has degenerated significantly | 13:13 |
| AntiHawk | status check | 13:13 |
| atlaz | Hey, its Frida.. no wait | 13:13 |
| * jussi goes back to work | 13:13 | |
| Jope | [chuckling intensifies] | 13:13 |
| MMori | I remember the time they tried to do voice overs in Finnish for Bold and the beautiful. Ridge said "Äiti. Minulla on kamala päänsärky" | 13:13 |
| MMori | That was terrible. | 13:13 |
| atlaz | But we Finns learn english quite easy since they don't do voice overs that much here | 13:14 |
| MMori | true | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | at least you guys aren't discussing preorders | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:14 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: so how are the preorders doing? | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't know | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
| MMori | we got distracted for a while | 13:15 |
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| jussi | someone get TheBootroo in here :P | 13:15 |
| MMori | nah, he's done waiting, his phone arrived today :P | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | jussi: he's here | 13:16 |
| MMori | although he hasn't got his hands on it yet | 13:16 |
| vbmithr | How to be root, by the way ? | 13:16 |
| MMori | I assume | 13:16 |
| Trizt | is there any benefits for someone who finilizes a preorder after the web shop open for everyone? | 13:16 |
| vbmithr | zypper wants to be run as root | 13:16 |
| Frye | vbmithr, devel-su | 13:16 |
| Jope | run pkcon instead :-) | 13:16 |
| vbmithr | well, if pkcon is enough… | 13:17 |
| jussi | Trizt: I guess the beanie or red other half thing | 13:17 |
| Trizt | jussi: thats just for the 100 eur preorders, but those with a 0 eur preorder | 13:17 |
| AntiHawk | I got android sounds back: installed sound volume booster pro from google play and boosted volume, I guess that android volume was muted? | 13:18 |
| atlaz | AntiHawk: aaa. yes. I read somewhere that if sounds go to minimum on android apps you need to increase it by software | 13:19 |
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| AntiHawk | :D | 13:19 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: makes it any difference for one who made a 0eur preorder compared with other web shoppers who didn't make a pre order? | 13:19 |
| mcfrisk | Anyone know how to trigger a power key press event from command line to shut down or wakeup display? | 13:19 |
| AntiHawk | BTW, what has been inveted at this point for tethering over WLAN? | 13:19 |
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| atlaz | None yet. I read on talk.maemo.org that you could enable hotspot via terminal, but my sk1llz aren't on the level, that i could find out | 13:20 |
| atlaz | Someone talked something about ifconfigs and firewalls and whatnot | 13:20 |
| atlaz | here on #jollamobile | 13:20 |
| atlaz | Me, im more of a push button - receive bacon kinda guy | 13:21 |
| TheBootroo | http://jolla.com/media/images/jolla_cart_01.png | 13:21 |
| TheBootroo | totally love the yellow/green "Lime" OH | 13:22 |
| AntiHawk | iptables is present I see, that could offer masquerading | 13:22 |
| atlaz | Man id kill for a black TOH | 13:22 |
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| TheBootroo | AntiHawk: should be also achievable using ConnMan DBus API | 13:22 |
| TheBootroo | atlaz: Brown Coffee is nice too | 13:22 |
| atlaz | AntiHawk: yeah, iptables. Thats what the nerds were talking about | 13:23 |
| atlaz | TheBootroo: but the coolest color would be olive drab with a military style ambience | 13:23 |
| TheBootroo | no need to go into iptable imho | 13:23 |
| TheBootroo | ConnMan has higher level api | 13:23 |
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| Turski | TheBootroo: it offers the iptables stuff too? | 13:23 |
| AntiHawk | TheBootroo: I'm not familar with ConnMan BDus API, but I'll take a look | 13:24 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: it offers tethering at least, that's what you want | 13:24 |
| atlaz | AntiHawk: if you get it going, please post somekind of tutorial somewhere | 13:24 |
| tobiski | does jolla's Files app show symbol links? I created symbol link in the home folder pointing to my sdcard but can't see it | 13:25 |
| AntiHawk | atlaz: Will do if I get somewhere with it :) | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | here is the ConnMan api doc http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/plain/doc/technology-api.txt?id=HEAD | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | about Technology | 13:26 |
| tobiski | ls /home/nemo in terminal shows the link | 13:26 |
| TheBootroo | Technology is what handles different types of network adapters (wired, wireless, cellular etc) | 13:26 |
| tobiski | oh... linked it to /tun/user/.... :D | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | just find the right Technology item, set Tethering to true and put some ui to enter TetheringIdentifier and TetheringPassphrase | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | and you're done | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | a nice Jolla app in QML using QtDbus should be easy to do | 13:27 |
| Turski | TheBootroo: cool | 13:27 |
| Turski | i would have done that with iproute2 and iwconfig and iptables and... :) | 13:28 |
| pp_ | suppose you can prototype with dbus-send etc. | 13:28 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: and you may have broken ConnMan proper managemebt | 13:28 |
| Turski | pp_: qdbus is a nice tool | 13:28 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: sure | 13:28 |
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| TheBootroo | but yeah qdbus is fine | 13:29 |
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| AntiHawk | Turski: that also what I would have done, but I was thinking also about native connection manager going haywire | 13:29 |
| Turski | but i'm still missing the DCOP from KDE3 :( | 13:29 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: wut ? DCOP wasn't that fine compared to DBus | 13:30 |
| Turski | it was much simpler than DBUS | 13:30 |
| TheBootroo | and soon we'll have dbus inside linux kernel, much more powerful and fast | 13:30 |
| Turski | TheBootroo: well, at least it was easier to mess with | 13:30 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: simpler maybe, but not as flexible | 13:30 |
| TheBootroo | and QtDbus api is really nice to use, a real pleasure to dev with it | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | as soon as i have my phone in hand i'll do a tethering config app for Connman | 13:31 |
| pp_ | hmn, don't see connman in dbus | 13:31 |
| pp_ | com.jolla.Connectiond yes | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | i already worked with ConnMan and Qt, won't be too hard | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: session bus | 13:31 |
| chem|st | MMori: gps-lookup turns mdata on, for what reason ever | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | net.connman | 13:31 |
| TheBootroo | iirc | 13:32 |
| TheBootroo | well maybe jolla changed the service name | 13:32 |
| TheBootroo | but it's connman, that have been confirmed | 13:32 |
| pp_ | ah, --system | 13:33 |
| TheBootroo | don't lookup by service name, use Interface name instead | 13:33 |
| AntiHawk | I'm waiting to see tethering app at jolla store soon :) My guess is that is on list somewhere already | 13:33 |
| AntiHawk | every other smartphone platform has it | 13:33 |
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| TheBootroo | search which service implements net.connman.technology | 13:33 |
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| AntiHawk | Some script will do until that point | 13:33 |
| TheBootroo | AntiHawk: don't worry, i havae my phone saturday, app proposed on monday ;-) | 13:33 |
| Pnuu | AntiHawk: I'm waiting it to be built-in feature | 13:34 |
| atlaz | It should be released as a built-in feature in January | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | i'm quite a mad-coder | 13:34 |
| Turski | is there a wey to integrate into system settings? | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: surely | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | but yet undocumented | 13:34 |
| Turski | yep | 13:34 |
| TheBootroo | should come Soon(TM) | 13:34 |
| Turski | so probably now allowed in harbour :P | 13:35 |
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| Turski | s/now/not/ | 13:35 |
| AntiHawk | TheBootroo: I was thinking about career as developer (.net) 4 years ago, I'm pretty happy that I choose to be sysadmin :) | 13:36 |
| pp_ | [nemo@localhost bin]$ qdbus --system net.connman /net/connman/technology/wifi net.connman.Technology.GetProperties | 13:36 |
| pp_ | Tethering: false | 13:36 |
| TheBootroo | AntiHawk: i'm professional C++/Qt/QML and proud of it | 13:37 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: just set it to true | 13:37 |
| TheBootroo | and adapt TetheringIdentifier and TetheringPassphrase | 13:38 |
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| TheBootroo | in order for it to be discoverable | 13:38 |
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| jake9xx | atlaz: feel free to get sources of jolla-settings-sdk, you can study settings stuff from those | 13:38 |
| jake9xx | Turski: ^ | 13:39 |
| jake9xx | even | 13:39 |
| AntiHawk | TheBootroo: I only reading basics to C++ to develop PSU for my custom car electronics :D | 13:39 |
| smokex | many people make a qml wrapper for QSettings | 13:39 |
| smokex | others like to make their own .ini or xml based implementation | 13:39 |
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| chem|st | ok seems like android apps keep running in background... how to get that off? | 13:41 |
| kor | shoot them in the face | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | get one of those app managers that you can get for android | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | very handy | 13:41 |
| pp_ | heh, /usr/lib/connman/test/enable-tethering | 13:41 |
| AntiHawk | Another guestion: have someone come up with solution to install payed apps from google play | 13:42 |
| AntiHawk | There is Geocache app that is must have to me :) | 13:43 |
| cybette | chem|st: about roadmap - noted and let's see what we can do | 13:43 |
| pp_ | meh: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: net.connman.Error.PermissionDenied: Permission denied | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | cybette: shop is open, you can get your family jollas now :-) | 13:43 |
| kor | AntiHawk: does installing backuped apps work? | 13:44 |
| jake9xx | pp_: try as root? you need DBUS_SESSION_BUS address from 'nemo' config tho | 13:44 |
| pp_ | root yes | 13:44 |
| AntiHawk | kor: do you mean backups from native android device that I have? | 13:45 |
| kor | yeah | 13:45 |
| kor | can you try restoring them? | 13:45 |
| kor | or does that work for paid apps even on android devices | 13:46 |
| cybette | ggabriel: yay! but i'm also waiting to complete my 2nd wave pre-order that i already paid 100€ | 13:46 |
| Turski | jake9xx: ah, goot | 13:46 |
| Turski | d | 13:46 |
| AntiHawk | I have to try it out :) | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | cybette: :S | 13:47 |
| AntiHawk | byt later | 13:47 |
| AntiHawk | *but | 13:47 |
| chem|st | cybette: ok | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | how do I terminate all android apps running? do I need to hack a button for that or does the compatibility layer go to deep sleep when nothing is shown as cover? | 13:48 |
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| ggabriel | imho it'd be nice to have an acl on/off switch in settings | 13:49 |
| MMori | chem|st: good to know. hasn't happened to me yet | 13:49 |
| pp_ | woot | 13:50 |
| pp_ | [root@localhost test]# ./enable-tethering wifi 1 string:foo | 13:50 |
| pp_ | Enabling wifi tethering | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | does it work? :P | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | pp_: nice :) | 13:50 |
| nander | Shop down *again* | 13:50 |
| chem|st | MMori: what happened to me is that I was unable to create accounts when both wifi and mdata are active... | 13:50 |
| atlaz | nander: it was pp_, blame him! | 13:50 |
| chem|st | nander: hickup not down | 13:50 |
| pp_ | well, my mac doesn't like the wpa2 password foo, too short | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | at least few seconds ago | 13:50 |
| pp_ | but there is a ssid 1 now | 13:50 |
| chem|st | stalled on updating | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: it shows up as a real AP? | 13:50 |
| atlaz | pp_: you better start writing a tutorial! | 13:51 |
| tachikom1 | so how do i beco;e root or set tje root pasword? | 13:51 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: on settings dev you set a password | 13:51 |
| atlaz | Who was it that hosted elinux.org? AL13N_work? We need to get the tethering-info up there | 13:51 |
| chem|st | that is for user nemo | 13:51 |
| tachikom1 | oh | 13:51 |
| tobiski | tachikom1: are you sure you're in condition to handle root priviledges? :D | 13:52 |
| chem|st | as nemo you write "devel-su" | 13:52 |
| chem|st | same password again | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | atlaz: most people go to tmo... post there... | 13:52 |
| atlaz | chem|st: sure, but it's nice to have place where everything importat is on one page | 13:53 |
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| chem|st | atlaz: there will be "one-page" on wiki.mo | 13:53 |
| pp_ | there's something wonky here | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, it shows the AP but i can't connect, at least | 13:53 |
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| Turski | pp_: that looks too easy | 13:54 |
| TheBootroo | Turski: that's because ConnMan api is really high level and handles tethering from scratch internally | 13:55 |
| pp_ | hmn so | 13:56 |
| ln- | the maps would seem to be online-only? will there be an offline option? | 13:56 |
| pp_ | [root@localhost test]# ./enable-tethering wifi jollajolla string:deadbeefdeadbeefdead | 13:56 |
| pp_ | and the passphrase is with string: | 13:56 |
| pp_ | but without it it doesn't accept it | 13:56 |
| pp_ | I was able to associate but no internet through it | 13:56 |
| MMori | Ok, so the gps-lookup does turn on mobile data.. | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | ln-: online only, tile caching | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | ln-: you can make your wish (i'll do the same) | 13:56 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: what about putting quotes around it ? | 13:56 |
| MMori | so it's no gps for me until it's fixed | 13:57 |
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| ggabriel | MMori: can you switch off agps? | 13:57 |
| MMori | gps can be turned off yes | 13:57 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i mean agps, not gps (like you can in the n9) | 13:58 |
| Pnuu | haven't found agps switching | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | presumably, without agps you don't need data | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | actually, not sure the n9 has that | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: there's something about that we cannot do SUPL connections over wifi or something like that | 13:58 |
| MMori | ggabriel: don't really know | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's a little unclear if it's a bug or a feature.. | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:58 |
| pp_ | ok | 13:58 |
| pp_ | I think I'm wifi-tethered now | 13:58 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i think it makes sense to switch on data, not that it will use data | 13:58 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: good | 13:58 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: well it must be clearly stated that the program will switch to mobile data. | 13:59 |
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| ggabriel | MMori: it just connects to your carrier's agps servers, they should be configured properly | 13:59 |
| pp_ | packet loss is horrible | 13:59 |
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| tachikom1 | chem|st: i haad to enable root ssh access to set the passwd | 13:59 |
| tachikom1 | i was sure i was not asked before | 13:59 |
| Turski | tachikom1: wut? | 13:59 |
| Turski | tachikom1: you should use devel-su | 14:00 |
| MMori | ggabriel: thanks for explaining, didn't really know that before. | 14:00 |
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| ggabriel | MMori: assuming gps is just for coordinates and you aren't talking about maps, that is :-) | 14:00 |
| Turski | tachikom1: and the password is set at the developer mode settings | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i can confirm that if you are roaming, as long as you tell the phone "don't use data", the phone will eventually get a gps lock, without spending a cent/penny | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | MMori: this is one of the reasons why i want offline maps :d | 14:01 |
| MMori | yeah, I'm really looking for offline maps | 14:01 |
| MMori | That's one of the reasons why I liked my nokia, it came with offline maps. | 14:02 |
| MMori | And those were enough for me, I'm sure some of you would disagree with that :P | 14:02 |
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| tachikom1 | i enabled developr mode. then i ran.devel-su. that asked for a password. i went back to developer settings and enabled root ssh access. now i could set a password and then.got root in the terminal using devel-su | 14:04 |
| * ggabriel looking forward to together.jolla.com to vote for features! | 14:04 | |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it connects to supl of nokia... at least that is what it is set to | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: my point exactly, so that's agps | 14:04 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: no need for mdata though | 14:04 |
| ggabriel | but if you are roaming (or switch off data from settings), it shouldn't, and it'll take longer to get a lock | 14:04 |
| smokex | personally I'm not a fan of paying rediculous data transfer charges due to downloading maps on the fly. I'm sure you'd agree MMori | 14:05 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: it activates mdata | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: uhm... i'll have to test it when i'm abroad (and get the device) | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | or maybe it's a bug and it will get fixed before i even get a chance | 14:05 |
| chem|st | only wifi and location were on, then looking for gps message pops in and mdata gets active! | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: what you describe is exactly what happens in the n9 whenever i want a gps lock | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | for any application | 14:06 |
| chem|st | there needs to be some work on networking I guess as I could not setup accounts with both active | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | i never tried, however, to switch off data from settings (only for the roaming when you see a warning) | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: also, yeah, it's bad that you go mobile data when in wifi :) | 14:07 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: for n9 it asks for internet and is ok with wifi... | 14:07 |
| chem|st | iirc | 14:07 |
| MMori | smokex: agreed! | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | no, you're right | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | unless the icons are lying | 14:07 |
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| tachikom1 | just checked. disabling root ssh access also disables the previosly set passwd | 14:08 |
| chem|st | so now no single app is open that needs internet (settings + fingerterm), I wake the device and it is asking for internet... | 14:09 |
| chem|st | tachikom1: yeah forgot about that... sure! | 14:09 |
| sremes | the enable-tethering script seems to work fine here too, tested with my tablet | 14:09 |
| tachikom1 | now grying to add a mail account | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | sremes: you were able to connect? | 14:09 |
| atlaz | What script, where, me too | 14:10 |
| pp_ | connman-test-1.15+git22-1.8.1.armv7hl | 14:10 |
| pp_ | -> /usr/lib/connman/test | 14:10 |
| atlaz | im too dumb to follow | 14:11 |
| sremes | Stskeeps: yes, connected the tablet to the jolla tethered hotspot, and internet seems to work well | 14:11 |
| jake9xx | sremes: cool! | 14:11 |
| sremes | I happened to download the script separately from the connman git, before pp_ pointed to the connman-test package | 14:12 |
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| pp_ | now trying to make connman love the usb port as well (it's blacklisted, at least) | 14:14 |
| tachikom1 | do i need to install a mail app first? | 14:14 |
| sremes | there seemed to be something about the script complaining about "permission denied" or passphrases, but not sure about the logic of those | 14:14 |
| sremes | I think the wifi needed to be enabled in the settings first | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | pp_: for good reasons fwiw :P | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: connman hates usb gadget with a passi0n | 14:16 |
| tachikom1 | yes looks like it | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo | pp_: someone from jolla said they disactivated usb in connman, that made me sad too | 14:16 |
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| pp_ | ok, manual ip + iptables -t nat will have to suffice :-) | 14:16 |
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| TheBootroo | how to install qdbus in emulator ? | 14:21 |
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| tachikom1 | the mail cient just says updating forever.... | 14:24 |
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| marcellux | hi. there used to be a chat room for meego and harmattan but I cannot find them. any one knows how to find them? thnaks | 14:37 |
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| Turski | (topic) | 14:39 |
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| pp_ | (oh right, "foo" didn't work as passphrase due to being too short, 8 char minimum) | 14:42 |
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| AL13N_work | atlaz: anyone can edit http://elinux.org/Jolla | 14:54 |
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| AL13N_work | pp_: is the script open source :-)? | 14:55 |
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| pp_ | see http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_WiFi_tethering.3F | 14:59 |
| pp_ | hopefully those instructions are enough :-) | 14:59 |
| Bysmyyr | looks easy | 15:00 |
| Pnuu | pp_: should that be "pkcon install"? | 15:00 |
| pp_ | yep :D | 15:01 |
| Trizt | marcellux: did you try #harmattan ? | 15:01 |
| pp_ | (I always typo it :D ) | 15:01 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 15:01 |
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| pp_ | nmcli, transmission-cli, ... | 15:02 |
| Venemo_N9 | hi | 15:02 |
| tobiski | pp_: that's all you need to do to be able to use the phone as wifi hotspot? | 15:02 |
| pp_ | apparently, yes. | 15:02 |
| tobiski | huh, let's give it a try | 15:03 |
| pp_ | should be pretty easy to qmlify, but I suppose that'll be a core feature soon | 15:03 |
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| tobiski | hmm, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: net.connman.Error.PermissionDenied: Permission denied | 15:08 |
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| pp_ | devel-su? | 15:09 |
| tobiski | yes | 15:09 |
| pp_ | or... | 15:09 |
| pp_ | could be you need to enable wifi first | 15:09 |
| pp_ | yup, that does the trick | 15:10 |
| pp_ | (and nemo seems to be enough) | 15:11 |
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| ggabriel | any fingerterm expert around? looking to add items in the menu for tmux (as opposed to screen) | 15:14 |
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| tobiski | yes wifi enabling worked and I found the network on my laptop and was able to connect but without internet connection | 15:16 |
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| tobiski | I wonder if I have to manually specify the ip address? Assuming Jolla can't handle DHCP and give me an available ip | 15:17 |
| sremes | at least I didn't have to configure anything extra | 15:19 |
| tobiski | let's try again | 15:19 |
| pp_ | first try it didn't give an ip but afterwards it did... | 15:19 |
| pp_ | so could be a bit random | 15:19 |
| tobiski | seems like so to me aswell, worked now like a charm | 15:20 |
| tobiski | is there some sort of timer or just random behaviour, wifi-tehtering seemed to disable itself after couple minutes | 15:21 |
| pp_ | I've not had very good luck with the wifi driver so could be that too | 15:21 |
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| smokex | it probably checks the sim or queries your service tower to see if its allowed on a timer | 15:33 |
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| cvp | it there 3D Model from TOH released ? | 15:39 |
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| Hq` | ggabriel: well I'm the original author... I'm a bit busy at the moment but maybe I can help some other day if you don't get your problem solved any other way :) | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | Hq`: thanks, no worries, opened an issue in github | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | Hq`: it isn't super urgent anyway, just a nice to have i guess | 15:52 |
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| ShadowJK | I think Jolla should make their brick+mortar store displays run the demo phone at max brightness | 16:02 |
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| ShadowJK | looks kinda silly with halogen spotlights and backlight on minimum :D | 16:02 |
| AL13N_work | ShadowJK: you mean in the DNA shops? | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 16:04 |
| AL13N_work | ShadowJK: you should notify them via twitter :-) | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | I was looking for Elisa shop to change my sim to micro, got lost and ended up in a dna store instead | 16:04 |
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| ln- | does the backlight brightness adjust automatically? i have a feeling it really doesn't. | 16:05 |
| WaRiO | hello from greece | 16:05 |
| stephg | καλησπέρα WaRiO, welcome! | 16:06 |
| WaRiO | ellinas? | 16:07 |
| stephg | οχι ακριβος | 16:08 |
| stephg | but we should be good and write in English so everyone understands:- welcome to the channel | 16:09 |
| WaRiO | ok | 16:09 |
| WaRiO | exw mathei ta greeklish apo to elliniko irc :P | 16:09 |
| Pnuu | english? | 16:11 |
| WaRiO | yes man | 16:11 |
| WaRiO | i speek in greek with stephg | 16:11 |
| stephg | sorry got kicked off the wireless here | 16:12 |
| Pnuu | I'd suggest private for that :-) (/query stephg) | 16:12 |
| stephg | Pnuu, I'm strictly English only now :) | 16:13 |
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| prometoys | hi, i have the problem, that I'm stuck at accepting the google terms. no gesture works. only way out is a incoming call | 16:18 |
| prometoys | (i wanted to create a google account) | 16:19 |
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| ggabriel | prometoys: did you upgrade to the latest version? | 16:20 |
| prometoys | no, is this a known problem? | 16:20 |
| prometoys | i just turned the device on | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | not that I'm aware of (I haven't got the device yet), but it's best to upgrade first before doing anything else, as we know that the very first upgrades deal with a myriad of issues | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | maybe your current issue is one of them | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | maybe you can reboot? | 16:20 |
| prometoys | I can call myself, and go from the sms or phone app to the home screen | 16:21 |
| ggabriel | somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but i would reboot to go back to a clean ui | 16:22 |
| ggabriel | update | 16:22 |
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| ggabriel | and then do whatever you wanted to do with your google account | 16:22 |
| Pnuu | prometoys: I'd do the update and try again after that | 16:22 |
| Pnuu | go to settings -> about device -> pulley menu -> check for update | 16:23 |
| Pnuu | then wait until it finishes checking, then from the pulley select update | 16:23 |
| prometoys | it seems to be a problem, sometimes it occurs if you create accounts from the welcome-app, had this with twitter too | 16:23 |
| prometoys | But I can't "downgrade" later, or? | 16:24 |
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| ggabriel | prometoys: i heard that if you reset to factory settings, it downgrades. but why would you want to do that? :-) | 16:24 |
| prometoys | because I need to review it later and want to have the original condition back | 16:25 |
| Pnuu | then factory reset should do the trick | 16:25 |
| atlaz | Wohoo, my first app is ready! Or.. you know... the tutorial. But i changed some texts! | 16:26 |
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| artemma | Still "In Picking".. well, that's better than "Paid" I guess | 16:30 |
| stephg | artemma :( | 16:30 |
| * ggabriel still paid :P | 16:31 | |
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| Kabouik | Hi! Is there any native IRC client yet, that wouldn't be published in the store yet? | 16:35 |
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| Andy80 | anyone of you has tried to use WhatsApp (the Android version) ? | 16:52 |
| Nicd- | yep | 16:52 |
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| Turski | Kabouik: fingerterm + openssh ;) | 16:54 |
| Andy80 | Nicd-, does it work? I remember that someone else tried it but it cannot access the contacts, so it's pretty useless unless the other person write you first | 16:54 |
| Turski | Andy80: i have no problems with contacts | 16:54 |
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| Nicd- | Andy80: it seems it depends on where you get it from but I don't know the differences | 16:54 |
| Nicd- | I got it from their site and it can't access contacts | 16:54 |
| Kabouik | How does it work Turski with Fingerterm and openssh? | 16:55 |
| Andy80 | Turski, the WhatsApp Android app that you're using on Jolla can see your contacts? | 16:55 |
| Turski | Kabouik: you have screen + irssi on server... | 16:55 |
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| Turski | Andy80: yes | 16:56 |
| guest1212121 | can anyone recommend a decent (as in not sending credentials or content to strangers) email client for android, that can be used on Jolla? | 16:56 |
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| guest1212121 | the official client is just unusable currently :( | 16:56 |
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| Andy80 | Turski, uhm.... I need to try at home then :) now I don't have something to take out my SIM from the Lumia :P | 16:57 |
| Quu | today i got 8 empty mails | 16:58 |
| Quu | with no sender | 16:58 |
| Quu | cant delete them either | 16:58 |
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| Kabouik | Well so I guess it's for Linux Turski? Don't know how to use that anyway, and ssh through 3G doesn't work because ip is hidden, right? | 16:59 |
| Almindor | hey | 16:59 |
| Almindor | are all JOlla phones same or is the HW going to be different based on continent/country? | 17:00 |
| Almindor | e.g. HSPA only for some countries etc. | 17:00 |
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| Andy80 | Turski, where did you take the apk from, Google Play Store? | 17:00 |
| Almindor | I want to buy one in EU (as I'm from there originally), but I reside in Canada atm. going home in april, and I'm wondering if I buy a jolla in EU if it'll work on canadian/US networks | 17:01 |
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| attah | Problem: I want the "the first one" ambience, but the default ringtone.. settings already lists the ringtone as using default, and changing has no effect.. any ideas? | 17:02 |
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| attah | Almidor: UMTS/3G won't work, that's for sure | 17:03 |
| attah | GSM should work and no info on LTE yet afaik | 17:04 |
| attah | *Almindor, sorry | 17:04 |
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| guest1212121 | Quu, I get the damn empty emails too. The email client is doing something horribly wrong over IMAP and/or SMTP. | 17:08 |
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| Almindor | attah: do you know if there are plans to support UMTS/3G? | 17:12 |
| prometoys | Pnuu, ggabriel, thx, | 17:12 |
| attah | No idea what is physically supported, might be more than thy list..but probably not | 17:13 |
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| Nicd- | Kabouik: you can SSH to a server even if you are behind a NAT | 17:13 |
| attah | So they have to make another version with different antenna and/or chip | 17:13 |
| Kabouik | I'm not :o Just wanted to connect to IRC on 3G when moving with my Jolla, but I'll wait for a native client | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | Kabouik: well you said "IP is hidden" which I guessed meant NAT. | 17:15 |
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| Kabouik | No, I just seem to remember that SSH with N9 was problematic when only internet connection was 3G | 17:15 |
| Kabouik | I think 3G does not provide a true ip | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | it does | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | you're just behind a NAT usually | 17:15 |
| Nicd- | and your public IP may change if you disconnect | 17:16 |
| Kabouik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65245 here is an example of what I was remembering | 17:17 |
| wickwire | Yep, I'm using 3G on an android phone at the moment | 17:17 |
| Kabouik | Can probably be achieved but it may be a bit too complicated for me | 17:17 |
| Nicd- | Kabouik: that's the reverse, connecting TO your phone with SSH | 17:18 |
| Kabouik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54796 | 17:18 |
| Pnuu | Kabouik: mosh helps, although there's some kind of bug in screen refreshing | 17:18 |
| Kabouik | Oh OK Nicd- | 17:18 |
| Nicd- | Kabouik: no problems with connecting somewhere FROM your phone | 17:18 |
| Nicd- | while on 3G | 17:18 |
| Kabouik | All right! But indeed, both directions would be best | 17:19 |
| Pnuu | that should be possible via ssh tunnel, too | 17:20 |
| Nicd- | reverse SSH tunneling, yes | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | something like "ssh -M 31314 -R 31313:localhost:22 user@host" in the phone | 17:21 |
| Nicd- | just need a server in the middle | 17:21 |
| Pnuu | yeah | 17:21 |
| Turski | Andy80: whatsapp.com | 17:21 |
| Turski | Kabouik: yes, for linux | 17:21 |
| Turski | Kabouik: and of course ssh works over 3G | 17:21 |
| Nicd- | reverse tunneling is what I have to use from home because my ISP lied to me about their cable modem capabilities :| | 17:21 |
| Turski | Kabouik: how else i would use it? | 17:22 |
| Kabouik | I was confused between ssh and reverse ssh that does not work *easily* over 3G due to private ip Turski | 17:22 |
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| Nicd- | Kabouik: reverse SSH should work fine too | 17:23 |
| Kabouik | By the way, as we're discussing ssh: when ssh-ing TO the phone, is it possible to use the computer keyboard and terminal to run commands lines on the Jolla? | 17:23 |
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| Nicd- | Kabouik: SSHing to your phone is not the same as reverse SSH tunneling from your phone | 17:23 |
| Turski | Kabouik: yes, that's what ssh is for | 17:23 |
| Kabouik | It seems too high level for me Nicd-, I'm no expert and can only follow wiki guides :p | 17:23 |
| Kabouik | Oh, so I don't know how to do it Turski. I only use ssh for sftp transfers currently | 17:24 |
| Kabouik | But I guess it's only doable from a Linux computer | 17:24 |
| Turski | Kabouik: that's not right | 17:24 |
| Pnuu | in windows use putty or something | 17:24 |
| Turski | Kabouik: there's for example putty for windows | 17:24 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 17:24 |
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| Kabouik | I'll give it a go tonight. Can't test right now because I still have trouble using ssh through USB on W8.1 | 17:26 |
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| pettter | So, is there any way to import a) calendar events b) SMS messages ? | 17:27 |
| pettter | 'cause I just got my very own device, and it's tentatively pretty damn nice | 17:28 |
| edgar2 | Kabouik: at least with the finnish isp saunalahti, you are by default given a nat adress when you connect through 3g. however, you can enable public ip adress for your connection for free if you wish. maybe your isp has similar possibilities? | 17:29 |
| Kabouik | Honestly I have no idea :P | 17:30 |
| Kabouik | I should check that at some point | 17:30 |
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| Kabouik | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12758233&postcount=18 I'm trying to do that to install RNDIS for USB ssh, but the problem is that I get no unknown device in Device manager | 17:41 |
| Kabouik | When connected to USB, the Jolla asks which mode I want, but nothing happens in Windows. It did not report any new device failing to install | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | Kabouik: usb2 or usb3 port | 17:43 |
| Kabouik | USB3 | 17:43 |
| Kabouik | I actually found something named "Sailfish" in Start menu/Devices and printers, in the "Not specified category" (which means there is an issue) | 17:44 |
| Kabouik | Troubleshooting won't give any satisfactory result of course | 17:44 |
| Kabouik | And RNDIS seems there though | 17:44 |
| Kabouik | In properties/advanced of the RNDIS line found in the "Sailfish" device, I set the "Network address" to 192.168.2.15, but still nothing if I ping that IP, or try to ssh | 17:46 |
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| Kabouik | There definitely is some progress. I now have a RNDIS connection in my connections, set IP to 192.168.2.15 and Bridge IP to 192.168.1.1 (no DNS set). It says "Unidentified network", I can't ping the 192.168.2.15 | 18:03 |
| Kabouik | But if I disable and then enable this connection while the Jolla is connected through USB, I can hear it vibrate | 18:03 |
| Kabouik | So there is definitely some sort of communication between them | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | windows which version? | 18:04 |
| Kabouik | 8.1 | 18:04 |
| Kabouik | I disabled firewall just in case, but I'm sure there is some things I did wrong | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | you should set your ip to 192.168.2.14 | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | and ping 192.168.2.15 | 18:05 |
| Kabouik | Oh. | 18:05 |
| Kabouik | My. | 18:05 |
| Kabouik | God. | 18:05 |
| Kabouik | Working :o | 18:06 |
| Kabouik | I thought I add to put the Jolla IP in there | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | networking 101 | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | don't set the ip to what you want to communicate with | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:06 |
| Kabouik | Yes but I was thinking the ip for this connection was supposed to BE the Jolla's one, not the one of the computer :p | 18:07 |
| Kabouik | However, I actually don't know how I finally got RNDIS to appear in my "Not specified" devices. It was not there till now | 18:07 |
| Kabouik | Awsome, I can now USB SSH and use Putty/Kitty to enter command lines from the computer (I had never tried that, only sftp transfers with ssh) | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | lol, I just got an email from jolla that said Delivery time 3-4 weeks | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | But then I scroll down and there's a tracking code \o/ | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: preorder or webshop | 18:10 |
| ShadowJK | preorder | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, good | 18:10 |
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| ShadowJK | But it starts exactly like I had ordered it today | 18:11 |
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| ShadowJK | Dear X, we've received your order. We will let you know when your jolla will be delivered. You can follow your order here. NOTE: Delivery time 3-4 weeks." | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | (translated from finnish) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: perhaps a mixup in systems | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, the new one | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| Kabouik | So now I have my sdcard mounted in /run/user/100000/media/sdcard, but how am I supposed to paste files in there through sftp? It says permission denied. Should I log as root with my sftp client? | 18:16 |
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| pauli_ | Hey all! I just received my Jolla and i was trying to get the updates but it just hangs at the 'checking for updates' -- does the updates work fine for you others? | 18:20 |
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| dTA | yes, try with it connected to WLAN if you can | 18:21 |
| pauli_ | I have it on wlan connection and opening google.com with www-browser seems to work fine | 18:21 |
| Skorpy | my big brother had to do a device reset before he got the updates. | 18:21 |
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| pauli_ | Oh -- So: factory reset -> get updates ? | 18:22 |
| pauli_ | Maybe reboot and try again first | 18:22 |
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| Skorpy | not sure if it's the case on everybody, so... :P | 18:23 |
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| pettter | can the internal IM handle several XMPP accounts? | 18:24 |
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| dTA | i haven't tried but see no reason why it wouldn't | 18:27 |
| pettter | hm, seems it might be that it requires actually nicely verified certs | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | Uh oh, wrong postcode on my order :s | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | this will be interesting... | 18:29 |
| Quu | lol | 18:29 |
| Quu | ShadowJK: pakettiautomaatti? | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | my new toy arrived :D a Samsung 840 EVO 1TB | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | Quu; nope | 18:30 |
| Quu | ShadowJK: ah, seems like those things have their own postal codes | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | Quu; there's a 0 too few at the end. and then something added a 0 at the start instead | 18:30 |
| Quu | uh, okay | 18:30 |
| Quu | if the address is correct, i dont see any major problems | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | Seems itella has some sort of online chat, I'll try that tomorrow :) | 18:31 |
| Quu | that cant go well. | 18:32 |
| nahkiss | yay. jolla in transit | 18:34 |
| pauli_ | Uh, tried reboot and reset to factory settings and its still saying 'checking for updates' without any progress .. | 18:34 |
| pauli_ | And account creation after factory reset failed with 'something wrong with .. please try again later' | 18:35 |
| pauli_ | Soo, if the updates and accounts are working for else but not me, and my network is working fine, the problem is my phone ? | 18:36 |
| sdjayna | pauli_: what's your username? if you're account isn't working, you won't be able to update | 18:36 |
| sdjayna | your* | 18:36 |
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| pauli_ | sdjayna: i dont have one -- i did (just 1min ago) factory reset -> it prompts for account creation -> i fill up forms -> accept -> failed to create account, please try again later | 18:37 |
| pauli_ | but if the updates dont work without the jolla-account then that would be good reason, and there is just something wrong with new account creation then maybe | 18:38 |
| pauli_ | maybe i try later as the suggestion said .. | 18:38 |
| sdjayna | pauli_: the error handling could be better..right, there's something wrong with the username/password you're entering i think | 18:38 |
| sdjayna | pauli_: perhaps too short, odd characters, go for something simple | 18:39 |
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| pauli_ | Thanks, i'll try. | 18:40 |
| sdjayna | pauli_: let me know the username, i can look at the logs on the account servers ;) | 18:40 |
| ccha4 | I got a bug... the virtaul keyboard didn't close and stay at forground for all applications screen now | 18:40 |
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| ccha4 | to fix it, just to open somethign using keyboard,... then this time is closed after typing | 18:42 |
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| pauli_ | Thanks sdjayna, super support! thumbs up | 18:54 |
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| sdjayna | pauli_: thanks - you're welcome | 18:54 |
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| nander | still merely 'in picking'... | 19:05 |
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| nander | I fear I'm one of these 'in picking but already sent' people | 19:05 |
| nander | But I can't find it at fedex | 19:05 |
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| pettter | nander: did you all their customer support? | 19:06 |
| nander | Not yet | 19:07 |
| pettter | thats how I got a proper tracking number at least | 19:07 |
| nander | Does fedex deliver during weekends? | 19:07 |
| nander | I hope not.. | 19:07 |
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| pettter | depends on where and who is their local partners I guess | 19:07 |
| nander | They work with local partners? | 19:07 |
| pettter | Swedish postal service | 19:07 |
| pettter | for example | 19:07 |
| nander | in picking is random.. | 19:09 |
| nander | I was in picking 24 hours after thebootroo was and mine isn't in the shipped state yet | 19:09 |
| nander | Whilst his is delivered | 19:09 |
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| nahkiss | my is still in "Paid." but I got mail with tracking number and it's already in sorting,etc | 19:11 |
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| nadriel | nander: I was in picking for 1 week | 19:13 |
| nander | I'm gonna be angry if that's the case | 19:13 |
| nander | That's the period when I want to be elsewhere | 19:13 |
| nander | Not hopping trains to pick up a jolla | 19:13 |
| nander | and having to stay on campus when NOBODY else is | 19:13 |
| nadriel | I got mine last week | 19:14 |
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| nander | All delivery companies suck at delivering here | 19:14 |
| attah | pettter: it was fedex for me in sweden | 19:14 |
| nander | They plainly suck | 19:14 |
| nander | Yesterday: package will arrive between 12:30 and 19:00 | 19:14 |
| nadriel | : D | 19:14 |
| nander | The timeslot is already ridiculously long | 19:14 |
| nander | But.. It arrived 21:15 | 19:14 |
| pdanek | For me, still no record in Fedex, so it was not sent. It will be 4 weeks from order on 25th. | 19:14 |
| nadriel | "please stay home during this time" | 19:14 |
| pdanek | :D | 19:15 |
| nander | This weekend I will be at my parents' | 19:15 |
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| Jonni | nander: if you have been in picking less than 24 hours, you shouldnt bother care. | 19:20 |
| Jonni | but ofcourse if you have been in picking for a week, then care query might be wise | 19:20 |
| tehdely | still no shipping record for mine | 19:21 |
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| tehdely | but butterflylabs shipped my bitcoin miner | 19:21 |
| tehdely | which is a real shock | 19:21 |
| tehdely | so at least i'm getting _something_ for jul ;) | 19:21 |
| nander | I sent an email to care asking them if they could change my address | 19:22 |
| nander | To a free delivery depot 2 minutes by bike from here | 19:22 |
| nander | I should have put that address on there in the first place ;) | 19:22 |
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| pdanek | Tizen is still in hands of LiMo Foundation, isn't it? | 19:28 |
| pdanek | Or it's somehow Samsung's property only? | 19:28 |
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| ikarus | I am probably the n-millionth person asking it, but is someone seriously working on a keyboard other half and by that I mean, working on the MECHANICAL side aswell, so far I've only seen electrical and software side ideas and prototypes | 19:30 |
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| nander | dirk was working on a hardware one | 19:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hardware what? | 19:32 |
| nander | I asked a local 3d manufacturing company if they could do it | 19:32 |
| nander | (create within the required tolerances / strengths required for such parts) | 19:33 |
| nander | His answer was: a clicking system (like the OTH) should be possible, plastic strength === lego brick strength (same material) | 19:33 |
| nander | I think you'd be looking at ~5-10 eur at that company for the plastic part | 19:34 |
| nadriel | Merry xmas | 19:34 |
| nadriel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L_bvWF2iK8 | 19:34 |
| nander | Once we have a design I want to test one and if that one works I want to give some people the option to buy one from me ;) | 19:34 |
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| nander | Against cost I have + shipping + payment cost | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | hi | 19:35 |
| nander | However, I can't do the mechanical part | 19:35 |
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| pettter | I wonder.. maybe have a backside keybard | 19:35 |
| pettter | *board | 19:35 |
| nander | I'd think a slider in horizontal mode | 19:35 |
| nander | Or in vertical | 19:35 |
| nander | Whichever we prefer | 19:35 |
| nander | Vertical would mean we'd need to add some weight to the other half | 19:35 |
| nander | Be it a battery or something else | 19:36 |
| ikarus | nander: see, that is the sort of stuff I want to hear | 19:36 |
| Andy80 | I don't remember who I was talking with about 2 hours ago, anyway I've tried also to install WhatsApp taking the apk from whatsapp.com but still I've the same problem: I cannot access the contacts | 19:36 |
| ikarus | nander: even with horizontal I've been tempted to slap an extra battery in for weight reasons | 19:36 |
| nander | Dirk also lives in the NL, so I might even visit him myself with a mechanical prototype | 19:36 |
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| ikarus | nander: heh, enough Dutch people here :p | 19:36 |
| nander | The big advantage of horizontal mode is that it also suits a gamepad | 19:36 |
| Andy80 | it keeps saying "this action is not currently supported" | 19:37 |
| nander | I'd want the design to be multi-usable | 19:37 |
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| ikarus | nander: the slider, yes | 19:37 |
| nander | portrait slider isn't really | 19:37 |
| nander | A pandora / nokia communicator design is also an option | 19:37 |
| ikarus | nander: I've been tempted to get a design milled out of light aluminium | 19:37 |
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| ikarus | but it's expensive, although very robust | 19:37 |
| pettter | any way to get the builtin XMPP client to disregard certificate errors? | 19:38 |
| pdanek | landscape slider is the way to go | 19:38 |
| ikarus | so hence the interest in alternatives and bulk production | 19:38 |
| nander | And do you want slide or a rotating system like on the last nokia communicator? | 19:38 |
| mcfrisk | Got a 64gb sd card for jolla. Was it so that manual mkfs to ext4 or btrfs was needed, on device? | 19:38 |
| nander | (that was the e97?) | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: manual mkfs needed | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | no exfat | 19:39 |
| nander | n8 | 19:39 |
| ikarus | nander: my design was assuming a slide system similar to that on the N900 | 19:39 |
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| nander | I like the n8 system more | 19:39 |
| mcfrisk | Stskeeps: thanks, will try ext4 then | 19:39 |
| nander | more robust | 19:39 |
| nander | And nicer | 19:39 |
| ikarus | nander: N8 ? N97 you mean ? | 19:39 |
| ikarus | I mean I have an N8 here, no keyboard to be found :p | 19:39 |
| nander | http://images.www.dailymobile.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/nokia-n91.jpg | 19:40 |
| ikarus | nander: gah, no | 19:40 |
| nander | or was that sytem never released? | 19:40 |
| ikarus | never released in that form | 19:40 |
| nander | Most modern sliders don't really slide | 19:40 |
| celeron55 | i figure the mechanism of that would require more space inside the phone | 19:41 |
| ikarus | but the N97 mini has a similar one | 19:41 |
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| celeron55 | than what jolla allows | 19:41 |
| ikarus | I've held designs like that, tend to end up being less stable then a N900 like slider | 19:41 |
| ikarus | espectially given that the phone is comparatively heavy | 19:41 |
| nander | No, it really doesn't require a lot of space | 19:41 |
| nander | It's just 4 beams | 19:41 |
| nander | And with some neat mechanical properties it all stays put ;) | 19:42 |
| nander | This one uses rotation rather than a linear system | 19:42 |
| ikarus | nander: that design you just linked only works with a lightweight screen | 19:42 |
| ikarus | I've seen designs with heavier screens and they never quite end up being stable due to the forces involved | 19:43 |
| nander | The question is: could a 3d printer get the precision required for a linear system | 19:43 |
| nander | a linear thing requires precision, or the thing will jam | 19:43 |
| ikarus | nander: well, that is why I went for milled metal | 19:43 |
| nander | And not work smoothly | 19:43 |
| nander | What would be the prize of that? | 19:44 |
| nander | It'd look awesome | 19:44 |
| celeron55 | hmm, well, i sure hope someone can come up with something mechanically sane either way | 19:44 |
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| nander | Celeron55 - the problem is, we can't do molding | 19:44 |
| nander | Way too expensive | 19:44 |
| nander | And 3D printer is up to .2 mm or so | 19:44 |
| ikarus | nander: 60-110 euro for the sliding assembly and clip on part to be made out of metal, plastic 3d printed back cover and keyboard holding bits | 19:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: sup | 19:45 |
| ikarus | price difference depends a lot on the production count and the exact material used | 19:45 |
| nander | The 3D printing company I asked can do sturdy work up to that precision | 19:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: did you check how much the shipping cost? | 19:45 |
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| nander | I'd almost say the cheapest iron available and let it rust | 19:45 |
| Jonni | mcfrisk: exfat also works if you compile exfat fuse module yourself. | 19:45 |
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| nander | I'd want a cheap steel backcover xD | 19:45 |
| ikarus | nander: actually aluminium is the cheapest | 19:45 |
| nander | FE 36 | 19:45 |
| ikarus | far easier to mill | 19:45 |
| pettter | for keyboards I'd say .2 mm is definitely on the coarse side | 19:45 |
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| nander | Or wichever number ;) | 19:46 |
| celeron55 | if in doubt, i can imagine doing some clever things like having a mechanism and some empty space in place of jolla's built-in battery and having a larger battery inside the keyboard to offset the weight completely 8) | 19:46 |
| pettter | since the kayboards are supposed to be smallish | 19:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | Jonni: why not include it as it's opensource or source code and licenses of use are different things? | 19:46 |
| nander | Do we have a mechanical engineering student / engineer here? | 19:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: ping | 19:46 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: ah sorry, I didn't yet, crazy week | 19:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: same here | 19:46 |
| ikarus | celeron55: well, I plan on having a second identical battery in the keyboard | 19:46 |
| nander | why not a bigger one? ;) | 19:46 |
| nander | It will get big then | 19:46 |
| nander | A keypad would be ~3mm | 19:47 |
| ikarus | nander: because an identical one is jut practical :) | 19:47 |
| nander | Battery ~6 mm | 19:47 |
| pdanek | 1st half is all aluminium? | 19:47 |
| pdanek | so keyboard other half could be too, would be cool.... like N950 | 19:47 |
| nander | I'd pay 60 eur for a metallic one | 19:47 |
| nander | metal* | 19:47 |
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| nander | If we get a nice design | 19:47 |
| pdanek | nander: I'd pay even 200 eur for nice design | 19:48 |
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| pdanek | just to have keyboard half | 19:48 |
| ikarus | nander: well, it is a metalic slider mechanism, the actual back is still plastic on this design | 19:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: but i would love to combine your parts and mine in one working thing :P | 19:48 |
| nander | Why not put the actual back metal as well? | 19:48 |
| nander | The prize of a metal plate is only ~10 eur, right? | 19:48 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: I know, I keep you in mind | 19:48 |
| ikarus | nander: well, that depends on the production count | 19:48 |
| ikarus | nander: and the design | 19:48 |
| nander | That one could even be lasercut | 19:49 |
| nander | Would that part be easily removable? | 19:49 |
| nander | Do you have a design drawing available? | 19:49 |
| ikarus | nander: just paper sketches right now | 19:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: :D | 19:49 |
| pdanek | I think removal of non-flexibile parts would be an issue | 19:49 |
| nander | Can you turn it into an actual thing? | 19:49 |
| ikarus | nander: because I was hoping that someone else was further along :) | 19:49 |
| pdanek | so probably just plastic | 19:49 |
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| ikarus | nander: I can with some help | 19:50 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, hey | 19:50 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, sorry, packing up :/ | 19:50 |
| nander | I see your isp is NL ;) | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: can you answer TOH related question on tweeter i asked when you have time | 19:50 |
| mcfrisk | there's something hacker like in using fdisk and mkfs.ext4 on a phone | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | twitter* | 19:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | mcfrisk: ext4 is no hacking | 19:51 |
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| pettter | how do I get to a terminal? need to enable developer mode? | 19:51 |
| Dotti | yes | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | mcfrisk: if you use zfs it might be better :P | 19:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | wow, i didn't realize the shop was already opened up... | 19:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ZogG_laptop: btrfs is better :-) | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | is there web view for shop btw? | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | AL13N_lizzy: you can't say anything better zfs :) | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ZogG_laptop: zfs on linux is unusable | 19:52 |
| mcfrisk | so how do I now mount the 64gb sdcard with ext4 in it? | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ZogG_laptop: lol | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok | 19:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | AL13N_lizzy: why so? | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | very big kernel leaks | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | slow | 19:52 |
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| ZogG_laptop | mcfrisk: sudo mount /dev/DEVICE /mnt/MNT_POINT | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | low version level of implementation | 19:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hangs oopses when doing stuff | 19:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | etc... | 19:53 |
| mcfrisk | is there some special location where media and gallery apps scan for content? | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | AL13N_lizzy: what about future opezfs? | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | open* | 19:54 |
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| mcfrisk | ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptop: I meant mount it in jolla | 19:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | mcfrisk: i bet same | 19:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | u have root | 19:57 |
| mcfrisk | ZogG_laptop: sure. So I guess no automounter there for ext4 fs. Mount manually anywhere and add symlinks to /home/nemo? | 20:00 |
| nander | Does anyone have a BROKEN n900? | 20:01 |
| nander | Which is mechanically intact? | 20:01 |
| edgars | yo | 20:02 |
| edgars | got my phone today | 20:02 |
| Jope | anyone wanna buy an n9? :-D | 20:02 |
| Jope | white body, black usb cover + sim holder | 20:02 |
| edgars | why i cant create a jolla acount? :/ | 20:02 |
| edgars | +c | 20:02 |
| nander | I need the n900 | 20:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ZogG_laptop: i have no idea about openZFS, but btrfs is pretty good for now (and easier to manage), so i won't be needing zfs anymore :-) | 20:03 |
| nander | To be exact, I need the mechanical parts of the n900 | 20:03 |
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| attah | Did everyone get ENG/FIN/SWE text on the box? Or was that just swedes? | 20:06 |
| nander | How thick is the battery of a jolla? | 20:07 |
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| nander | Can someone measure it? | 20:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: for the shop, i assume we can't create an account and thus cannot log in? or is that account of the shop the same as the jolla account page? | 20:07 |
| Jope | uh .. 5mm or so | 20:07 |
| Jope | can't be arsed to fetch mine | 20:07 |
| nander | I'm mining data for a keyboard oth | 20:07 |
| attah | And i don't have callipers handy :/ | 20:07 |
| Jope | I guess you already read the TMO thread with all the electrical info | 20:07 |
| nander | jup ;) | 20:08 |
| nander | But I want to add another official battery if it isn't too thick | 20:08 |
| attah | anyway surrounding stuff is pretty much as far back... so what are you trying to do with the info? | 20:08 |
| mcfrisk | What would break if I moved /home/nemo to the sdcard with ext4? | 20:08 |
| attah | ah.. okay | 20:09 |
| nander | attah - thinking ;) | 20:09 |
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| ikarus | Jope: no I haven't read it as I tend to choke on such threads | 20:09 |
| nander | On if an official battery would fit into a keyboard oth | 20:09 |
| nander | Since a keyboard oth would need 7 mm thicknes or so anyway | 20:09 |
| ikarus | I just want mechanical and electrical drawings on the OTH connection | 20:09 |
| nander | Otherwise it doesn't feel nice to hold | 20:09 |
| ikarus | if it is 5mm, then it would be workable | 20:10 |
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| attah | measured with a ruler.. it's less than 5mm | 20:11 |
| ikarus | Doesn't Jolla just use a commercially availible battery model ? | 20:11 |
| Jope | my thumb-forefinger caliper isn't calibrated :-D | 20:11 |
| Quu | too bored to get my micrometer | 20:11 |
| attah | both lines are fully visible on either side.. so like 4.5? | 20:11 |
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| attah | nander: is that good enough for you? | 20:14 |
| nander | For now, yes, thanks | 20:14 |
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| nander | I'll measure more precisely once I have mine | 20:14 |
| ikarus | attah: I'd prefer caliper measured or a type number I can find | 20:14 |
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| pettter | any docs on where calendar events, contacts, message logs etc. are stored in the file system? | 20:17 |
| nander | Is the camera on the left or on the right side? | 20:17 |
| nander | (so, on the button, or on the non-button side) | 20:17 |
| attah | Well fwiw.. Model 22B50 by NLT electronics | 20:17 |
| attah | nander:camera is center | 20:17 |
| nander | center? | 20:17 |
| nander | Did it move? | 20:17 |
| attah | top center | 20:17 |
| attah | as per pic on jolla.com | 20:17 |
| Jope | it moved a long time ago | 20:18 |
| nander | Ah, yes, it's center | 20:18 |
| nander | That's a pity | 20:18 |
| Jope | but everyone's using the first set of renders | 20:18 |
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| cvp | re | 20:21 |
| stephg | nander does it mater in particular for you? | 20:21 |
| nander | Yes | 20:21 |
| nander | It makes it impossible to use both camera and a keyboard other half | 20:21 |
| nander | Since for a stable slider you need around 50% overlap | 20:21 |
| mcfrisk | So, ext4 sdcard isn't mounted automatically but vfat/ntfs ones are. Should I manually edit/patch /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh or is the updated one available in some repo/rpm in an easier way? Following http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/jolla-sd-card/15/ | 20:21 |
| AJAX555 | oh yeah jolla has been shipped <3 | 20:22 |
| Frye | mcfrisk, manually patch it for now I think | 20:24 |
| Frye | That is what I did | 20:25 |
| stephg | nander oh I see | 20:25 |
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| jake9xx | mcfrisk: it's not updated yet, we'll update it soonish | 20:26 |
| mcfrisk | Frye: and then the sdcard will be automatically used by media player and gallery apps, or are symlinks needed after that? | 20:27 |
| jake9xx | mcfrisk: so if you want it now, patch the script | 20:27 |
| mcfrisk | jake9xx: thanks | 20:27 |
| Frye | mcfrisk, No Idea. Never got that far =) | 20:27 |
| Frye | But it is at least automatically mounted | 20:27 |
| jake9xx | mcfrisk: should not be - and in the mount script just remove the options | 20:27 |
| Frye | I've been too busy to test it yet | 20:27 |
| jake9xx | then do chmod if needed on another line after mount | 20:27 |
| jake9xx | that's propably where it fails, ext3/ext4 support is in kernel already | 20:28 |
| Frye | jake9xx, on the jollausers forum is a working case around the mount | 20:28 |
| Frye | So that the chown is done for ext4 and btrfs and the uid gid mount options for vfat | 20:28 |
| vbmithr | Do anybody use the jolla email client ? | 20:28 |
| jake9xx | Frye: this is good example where co-creation site will improve our quality and make your life better | 20:28 |
| Frye | Yep | 20:28 |
| mcfrisk | ack | 20:28 |
| Frye | Can I sign in there already =) | 20:28 |
| jake9xx | post it there! | 20:29 |
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| pettter | The root password is the same as the user password? | 20:31 |
| leinir | pettter: make sure to use devel-su, not just su | 20:32 |
| leinir | but yes | 20:32 |
| pettter | right, thanks | 20:32 |
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| nadriel | Oh kay, I think Jolla's battery life is allright as it is. It's survived a day and still has some juice left. Unplugged at 6 AM. 3G with data on all ady, browsed news during lunch, chatetr with facebook, google etc. ssh IRCing for several hours. And listening to music for about 2 hours. | 20:33 |
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| nadriel | And now that the optimizations | 20:33 |
| nadriel | *optimisations are under way, it's getting better. \o/ | 20:33 |
| Quu | nadriel: yeah. and people still bitch about how shitty the battery life is | 20:33 |
| nadriel | I might get my 2 day phone! | 20:34 |
| mcfrisk | gah, why is it always so hard with network manager and usb networking.. | 20:34 |
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| jake9xx | because connmand just hates usb ? | 20:35 |
| nadriel | Quu, My last one lasted the same when new, but as android "got better"/bloater, no longer a day. | 20:35 |
| Frye | Hmm, together.jolla.com. Should I be able to sign in already or is it still wip? | 20:36 |
| jake9xx | Frye: it's waiting for final touches , then it's live | 20:36 |
| Frye | Ok | 20:36 |
| jake9xx | Frye: soon, real soon now :) | 20:36 |
| mcfrisk | aww, jolla has vi, git and diff, but no patch ;) | 20:36 |
| Frye | Can't wait! | 20:36 |
| nadriel | what is that together.jolla.com? | 20:37 |
| jake9xx | mcfrisk: patch is in obs repos afaik | 20:37 |
| Frye | Ok I have to. Now off to spend some time with mrs. Before she divorces me because of this Jolla I have :D | 20:37 |
| Pnuu | mcfrisk: patch-2.6.1-1.1.1.armv7hl | 20:37 |
| mcfrisk | so is it ok to just zypper install something? | 20:37 |
| Pnuu | pkcon install patch | 20:37 |
| jake9xx | mcfrisk: pkcon install <name> | 20:37 |
| jake9xx | yes, it's ok to install stuff | 20:37 |
| jake9xx | if you do chmod's or remove stuff with rm as root - you might invalidate your warranty | 20:38 |
| mcfrisk | from default repos, ok. Since no flasher available yet.. | 20:38 |
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| the_mgt | ahoy | 20:38 |
| jake9xx | mcfrisk: default and if you need more stuff do: ssu ar mer-tools ; pkcon refresh | 20:38 |
| the_mgt | 342?! I am kind of late to the party | 20:38 |
| Quu | only 342. | 20:39 |
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| the_mgt | I ignored the talk about an irc channel because I thought "yeah, the usual 3-5 nerds idling around" | 20:41 |
| Quu | yes, thats what these massive irc-channels are about | 20:42 |
| mcfrisk | If anyone else is looking for a pkcon cheat sheet: http://tuxi-test.blogspot.de/2009/01/package-management-cheatsheet-package.html | 20:43 |
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| jake9xx | mcfrisk: +1, excellent | 20:44 |
| nadriel | Cheat sheet? More like incredible manpage meets multitasking | 20:44 |
| * nadriel bookmarks the page | 20:45 | |
| mcfrisk | sigh, nothing provides /bin/less or /usr/bin/less, even if zless is there. I guess time for mer-tools repo.. | 20:46 |
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| jake9xx | mcfrisk: :D | 20:48 |
| attah | mcfrisk: plz tell us if you find it.. getting real tired of more now | 20:48 |
| mcfrisk | argh, still not found. How can anyone be so cruel to build busybox without less!?!? | 20:49 |
| special | 'ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon install less' | 20:49 |
| jake9xx | attah: ssu ar mer-tools ; pkcon refresh ; pkcon search name <your tool> | 20:49 |
| jake9xx | then pkcon install <name> | 20:49 |
| jake9xx | g'nite - I'm off | 20:49 |
| mcfrisk | less doesn't provide /bin/less or /usr/bin/less | 20:50 |
| special | it's /usr/bin/less | 20:50 |
| * ggabriel in picking | 20:50 | |
| mcfrisk | thought obs was adding the provides binary fields automatically.. | 20:50 |
| mcfrisk | So, jolla less is more: ssu ar mer-tools && pkcon refresh && pkcon install less | 20:51 |
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| special | always one of the first things I install after a reflash. | 20:52 |
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| attah | I'm getting a funky error on adding the repo.. | 20:54 |
| attah | [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 20:54 |
| special | you can ignore that | 20:54 |
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| attah | Oh, yeah.. it must be D for debug.. just so not used to commands printing stuff when they succeed | 20:55 |
| mcfrisk | Whos plot was it to sell me phone with a bit raw Linux system, then hook me up to hacking and developing on it? Evil plan... | 20:55 |
| Jonni | lots of unneeded debug messages that need to be cleaned out at some point :) | 20:55 |
| special | that one in particular | 20:56 |
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| * special goes to bitch about it again | 20:56 | |
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| AL13N_lizzy | 3 new Jolla's appeared on ebay, all for $500 7d or more | 20:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | all the old ones were sold | 20:58 |
| Jope | someone wants to make a quick buck | 20:58 |
| special | someone missed their opportunity :p | 20:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | not really | 20:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | $500 < €399 | 20:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | special: exactly | 20:59 |
| special | although, there will probably still be a big market for people willing to ship them outside of the official sales countries. | 20:59 |
| Jope | maybe so.. | 20:59 |
| attah | AL13N_lizzy: false | 21:00 |
| ggabriel | yeah, 500 usd is a bit more than 400 eur | 21:00 |
| ggabriel | also, if the phone has the le toh, it must cost 2000 usd | 21:00 |
| ggabriel | at least :P | 21:00 |
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| nander | I may not have the first jolla sold, but I do have the first CD ever sold by a certain band ;) | 21:01 |
| nander | I am a first one ;) | 21:01 |
| nander | http://theotherworldeu.bandcamp.com/album/39 | 21:01 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | 500 usd = 365 euros? | 21:03 |
| ggabriel | really? | 21:03 |
| ikarus | yes, the USD is that worthless now | 21:04 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: i stand corrected | 21:04 |
| ikarus | it's worse some of the time even | 21:04 |
| nander | it has been worse ;) | 21:04 |
| nander | Just think of this | 21:04 |
| nander | A dollar bill will never be worth less than 0.005 eur | 21:04 |
| nander | That's the value of the paper ;) | 21:04 |
| ggabriel | clearly it went down [the usd] | 21:05 |
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| Pnuu | well, dollars are not printed on paper ;-) | 21:05 |
| ggabriel | it was ~1.5 gbp not so long ago | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | it's fabric | 21:05 |
| nander | You can always use your bills to start a fire ;) | 21:05 |
| nander | Is that cheaper or worth more? | 21:05 |
| ggabriel | yeah, especially the 2 usd bills that nobody believes are official | 21:05 |
| Pnuu | dunno, but more durable than paper | 21:05 |
| ggabriel | sooo, it's a good time to go shopping to the usa then | 21:05 |
| ggabriel | what do they have decent that isn't a gopro? :) | 21:06 |
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| * ggabriel can't think of anything | 21:06 | |
| ggabriel | ok, gonna pack for amsterdam, laters. enjoy your jollas [and weekend] | 21:07 |
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| micko_ | how do I remove android software not installed from any store? | 21:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | YAY, i finally have an order # !!! | 21:10 |
| ikarus | oh, that reminds me, did they end up without the HDMI in the end, I dropped out of that discussion before it got finalized | 21:11 |
| ikarus | I'd assume they did given that every reference to it got erased | 21:11 |
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| mcfrisk | Could I suggest using 'set -u -e -o pipefail' in scripts like mount-sd.sh ? I'd like things like that fail early.. | 21:13 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | pp_: btw: thanks! | 21:18 |
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| Nicd- | micko_: press and hold on the app icon, then click the X that appears | 21:22 |
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| micko_ | that removes the program also and not just the icon? | 21:27 |
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| FireFly | AFAIK, yes | 21:28 |
| Nicd- | micko_: yes | 21:28 |
| micko_ | ok, thanks | 21:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone tell me if the SIM for jolla is regular, micro, or apparently there's also a nano version??? | 21:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i assumed micro, but didn't know there was a nano version? | 21:36 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: micro | 21:36 |
| Nicd- | nano is used in some iphones, regular is not used anywhere anymore I think | 21:36 |
| Nicd- | at least nearly anywhere | 21:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | isn't regular still used in "real" phones? | 21:37 |
| special | what you're calling regular is mini SIM - they are still used sometimes | 21:37 |
| special | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/GSM_SIM_card_evolution.svg that shows what a full-size SIM looks like ;) | 21:37 |
| nander | regular is like a credit card in size ;) | 21:38 |
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| Nicd- | nander: actually if you take a look at your credit card, it even has the same pin arrangements | 21:39 |
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| mcfrisk | Q: are gallery and media player scanning all mounted filesystems for content files, or just /home/nemo? | 21:48 |
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| ShadowJK | I had a phone which used full size sim card :) | 21:52 |
| Acce | does someone here know if there is somekind of notification method in silica or should I just implement my own? | 21:52 |
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| Turski | Nicd-: i wonder when our credit cards will be nano size... | 21:52 |
| Acce | something to display errors etc. info | 21:52 |
| Nicd- | Turski: they're already easy enough to lose :P | 21:53 |
| Turski | :) | 21:53 |
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| dist_ | https://twitter.com/dist/status/413786259791032320 <- can anyone answer that question or give me a fresh (never read by Jolla) OH to play with? =) | 21:54 |
| Venemo | hey | 21:54 |
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| Venemo | dist: I don't think anyone here knows yet | 21:56 |
| dist | Does anyone have a nfc reader and orange OH? | 21:56 |
| dist | (or any other than white, with nfc) | 21:56 |
| Nicd- | dist: isn't it just in the serial or some id? | 21:57 |
| dist | Nicd-: Maybe, does it just look up it with an UID and get the ambience for that exact unique id? | 21:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dist: interesting, so there's still stuff left to put data in? | 21:58 |
| dist | I find it quite weird that they'd have a database of all covers that they have ever produced. | 21:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe put some kind of security key in it... for opening keychains :-) | 21:58 |
| dist | AL13N_lizzy: Yeah, you can encode your own urls or bluetooth connections or wlan accesspoint stuff on the "card" if you want to. | 21:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dist: i assume when registering, they will have the serial and imei, or when clicking it on, and it tests to see if there's no content to be downloaded from the store | 21:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i had thought the NFC was very basic | 22:00 |
| Nicd- | dist: yes, I think they just have an ID and that will be used to check the store if it has a custom theme | 22:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but this is good news! | 22:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this means that they actually can do more stuff for this in the future | 22:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: or other content/settings/rpms | 22:00 |
| Nicd- | exaactly | 22:00 |
| Nicd- | -a | 22:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 22:00 |
| Nicd- | dist: I would find it quite weird if they *didn't* have a database of all the cover models they have produced :P | 22:01 |
| dist | Nicd-: I'd just encode the theme in the ndef somehow. But I'm lazy. =D | 22:01 |
| Nicd- | but then you can't update it | 22:02 |
| Nicd- | looking it up from the store with an ID is much more flexible | 22:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes, i like it this way, it's open, it has possibilities for the future, depending on what community likes | 22:02 |
| dist | Why would you need to? | 22:02 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | we can put our own stuff on it, so that's nice | 22:03 |
| dist | It would just say that it's the white cover, no electiricity, no i2c, just this ambience. | 22:03 |
| dist | AL13N_lizzy: yeah. Except is't impossible to read with anything else if it's attached to the phone =D | 22:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dist: is it? | 22:04 |
| dist | Well, the phone can read it of course but that's about it. | 22:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the distance isn't _that_ great | 22:04 |
| dist | It seems to be. My NFC reader just doesn't get anything when the phone is just closer than 1cm from the cover, turned off, no battery | 22:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you hold the back of the phone against a reader device, it should pick it up too, doesn't it? | 22:04 |
| dist | If I move the phone away the tag gets read. | 22:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 22:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe the phone reader can communicate with other NFC apparel? | 22:05 |
| dist | actually, make that about 2.5cm atleast if the phone is powered on. | 22:06 |
| dist | oops. actually just about the same if it isn't | 22:06 |
| dist | oh well. | 22:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe (after firmware update) the phone NFC can communicate with other NFC communication stuff | 22:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | like for phone-phone bluetooth pairing or something | 22:07 |
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| dist | I think that's not what they promised though. Just phone <-> oh comms on nfc. Though well. That might still mean active peer to peer comms. Maybe. | 22:08 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: we'll have to see | 22:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but still, i like that the tag is open | 22:09 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: at least for now, it means that since it's open, no other person can actually overwrite it :-) | 22:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you connect it to the phone | 22:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe it's on purpose even | 22:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | who knows :-) | 22:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | like a jamming signal or something | 22:10 |
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| ln- | cool, i installed netflix on jolla, and it works nicely | 22:16 |
| dist | AL13N_lizzy: Yeah. And you can't be tracked by that since more or less nothing can read it.. =D | 22:17 |
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| CoderCandy | Soo, first day after 3 weeks waiting period over, no message from jolla :( | 22:20 |
| CoderCandy | I'm REALLY impatient xD | 22:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dist: yes... don't you think this is a very good feature? | 22:21 |
| dist | CoderCandy: waiting for what? | 22:21 |
| CoderCandy | Jolla :P | 22:21 |
| CoderCandy | I paid for my preorder 28th of November | 22:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | they did say they would ship all of those on time before christmas | 22:22 |
| CoderCandy | and today is 3 weeks from that date | 22:22 |
| CoderCandy | I know | 22:22 |
| CoderCandy | Christmas is on tuesday I think | 22:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | wednesday, actually | 22:22 |
| dist | AL13N_lizzy: Yes! I have just no idea how to actually make any real use of it. =D | 22:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dist: you can't write to it? | 22:22 |
| CoderCandy | Oh, well, still... I WANT MY JOLLA xD | 22:23 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: we'll have to wait until they are opening up the NFC api | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | CoderCandy: so, do i, but, i only ordered not even an hour ago | 22:23 |
| dist | Ah. And this seems to work in airplane mode too.. =D | 22:24 |
| CoderCandy | AL13N_lizzy, uhm, that might be a problem, what ordernumber do you have? | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | CoderCandy: i'm embarrassed to say | 22:24 |
| CoderCandy | I have order number #200003045... and they haven't shipped mine yet :P | 22:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but, i let it deliver at work | 22:24 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | so, i'm if it's not there in 4weeks, i'll send an email to care@ | 22:24 |
| CoderCandy | If mine isn't shipped when December is over, I'll try to claim a complementary t-shirt xD | 22:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the first one T-shirt? | 22:26 |
| CoderCandy | Yeah :P | 22:26 |
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| tobiski | modified version: the "first" one | 22:26 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | haha | 22:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: the " 's are important :-) | 22:26 |
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| tobiski | yup | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, i hear that it's possible that The first one TOH, might contain future extra's | 22:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, i have no chance of that happening, you lucky bastards | 22:28 |
| tobiski | me neither, have only the basic white OH | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: you didn't prepay? | 22:28 |
| tobiski | I did, but in second wave | 22:29 |
| tobiski | and I got that beanie! | 22:29 |
| tobiski | the first one oh was for first-wavers | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what is a beanie? | 22:29 |
| tobiski | cap, hat | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pic or it didn't happen | 22:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 22:29 |
| special | are there any apk downloaders for google play that still work and aren't chrome extensions? | 22:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://store.makiaclothing.com/accessories/makia-x-jolla-cap-12199.html | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: make your good looking sister wear the hat | 22:30 |
| artemma | AL13N_lizzy: https://twitter.com/AgileArtem/status/413741388707405824 | 22:30 |
| artemma | pretty cool hat actually | 22:30 |
| tobiski | I don't like the color of it :( | 22:30 |
| artemma | No huge branding | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sailor hat | 22:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lol | 22:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: maybe your goodlooking sister does like the color | 22:31 |
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| * AL13N_lizzy hints | 22:31 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | HarhaanJohtaja: that store doesn't work | 22:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or at least not for me | 22:32 |
| AJAX555 | oh, they are shipping those Pipos already? | 22:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Pipos? | 22:32 |
| AJAX555 | those in that twitter link | 22:32 |
| tobiski | AL13N_lizzy: how do you know I have sisters! | 22:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | AJAX555: oic | 22:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: >_> | 22:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tobiski: but seriously, do it, and take a pic with jolla and show us how good the quality is! | 22:33 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | hmm that link does not work for me anymore | 22:33 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | maybe too many peole from this channel try to et there | 22:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | HarhaanJohtaja: too much request for sailor hat :-) | 22:34 |
| tobiski | AL13N_lizzy: we'll see ;) | 22:34 |
| tobiski | HarhaanJohtaja: that link worked for me 5 mins ago also | 22:34 |
| tobiski | now it loaded | 22:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for me now too | 22:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | took quite a while though | 22:34 |
| tobiski | user peak was too damn high for makia's servers | 22:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 5 users? | 22:35 |
| tobiski | max | 22:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i don't think so, it's more likely to be a hiccup | 22:35 |
| special | alternatively: does anyone have that apk downloading extension for chrome that would be willing to do me a favor? | 22:36 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though it's probably some of those outsider links that will be the problem | 22:36 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | special: you can't just use the firefox Fake User-agent thing? | 22:36 |
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| special | I don't know what that is? | 22:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | user-agent is a string identifying the browser/OS when accessing web content | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you can override this with FF extensions | 22:37 |
| special | I do know what that is, but that's not the problem | 22:37 |
| special | I want an apk from google play, but the only way I can find to download one is a chrome extension | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | make you detect to be a windows, or an android phone | 22:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you see what i mean? | 22:38 |
| * tbr just installed play store, works fine | 22:39 | |
| dist | special: which one? | 22:39 |
| special | com.babbel.mobile.android.en. But I might just dig up a tablet to play with it instead | 22:40 |
| special | tbr: O not putting google play on a development phone :p | 22:40 |
| special | O = I'm | 22:40 |
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| special | anyway, nevermind. | 22:41 |
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| cvp | special , hello ;) | 22:42 |
| cvp | do you know a way over terminal that i can mark all my over 900 emails as read ? :D | 22:42 |
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| special | can you not mark them as read using a real desktop email client? | 22:43 |
| cvp | nope | 22:43 |
| cvp | i use pop3 | 22:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | who uses pop3 anymore, this means mails you fetch from phone are not fetch from your pc and such | 22:44 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | btw: anyone made a cacert app yet? | 22:45 |
| cvp | huh ? ... i can reciev mails on phone and desktop over pop3, no problems | 22:45 |
| dist | AL13N_lizzy: hmm? | 22:46 |
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| WaRiO | any news for virtual keyboard? | 22:48 |
| cvp | what do you want ? Swype ? | 22:49 |
| AJAX555 | so, can I connect jolla to my laptop using bluetooth? | 22:50 |
| AJAX555 | or do I need usb cable? | 22:50 |
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| cvp | good night @all | 22:54 |
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| dist | AJAX555: connect to do what? | 22:55 |
| AJAX555 | so I can access files on jolla | 22:55 |
| WaRiO | my mistake | 22:55 |
| WaRiO | physical keyboard | 22:55 |
| tobiski | AJAX555: I found the phone on my laptop and managed to pair the devices but after few seconds the connection is lost | 22:56 |
| AJAX555 | tobiski: using bluetooth? | 22:56 |
| tobiski | yes | 22:56 |
| AJAX555 | okay | 22:56 |
| AJAX555 | so, it is possible | 22:56 |
| dist | AJAX555: Dunno, for that usb works fine. Or dev mode and ssh.. =D | 22:56 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: yes? | 23:01 |
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| dist | AL13N_lizzy: cacert.. to manage certs on the phone? add custom, disable etc.. or do what? | 23:03 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: i presume just to install the cacert root certificate(s) | 23:06 |
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| petantik | Can we use the phone as a wireless hotspot? | 23:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: probably, if you know what to do on cli | 23:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: someone did find some semi-easy thing here: http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_WiFi_tethering.3F | 23:09 |
| tobiski | tested it, worked | 23:10 |
| dist | Woot. nfc chip pn544 in the phone. | 23:10 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: I expect sailfish support will come soon! | 23:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: maybe, though i think this is not one of their priorities | 23:11 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | dist: if you like, you can put such info in the http://elinux.org/Jolla page, (or someplace else) | 23:11 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: I would hope enterprise features would be a priority. wifi hotspot is just a nice to have until that time | 23:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: enterprise? Jolla is hardly a likely enterprise phone | 23:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: what kind of enterprise features did you have in mind? | 23:12 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: For me. I want to use it as a daily phone. I spend my day at work. Exchange provisioning. 802.1x auth etc. | 23:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh ok | 23:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: i thought you meant something like a management software for hundreds of Jolla phones and such | 23:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i thought xchng sync worked? | 23:14 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: Right now I keep my android since I have those. The wifi hotspot allows me to use the android phone to connect via the jolla 3g. | 23:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 802.1x is probably possibly in cli, though not in UI yet, (i think this might come soon) | 23:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: if you have devmode and wpa_supplicant is installed, you possibly could add the network manually | 23:15 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: I assume that to be the case. I was hoping to find out if there was a way to create a wpa_supplicant based profile the native app could pick up. | 23:16 |
| * AL13N_lizzy does not have a Jolla yet | 23:16 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: unsure, but i imagine it uses wpa_supplicant for wpa connectivity, so it probably just has /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf or something | 23:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | unless it uses something else for wpa | 23:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but if it does, i imagine the native app would just pick that up and use it | 23:17 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: I think not using wpa_supplicant would be foolish. I think android uses it too | 23:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: i haven't kept track... possibly it can connect to wpa natively by now, who knows | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (ie: without wpa_supplicant requirement) | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: the only way to be sure is to check :-) | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, time to sleep | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tata | 23:19 |
| petantik | bye | 23:19 |
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| tanghus | WTF? To get my phone to Copenhagen, they fly Finland -> Sweden -> France -> ? | 23:28 |
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| petantik | tanghus: might be cheaper if they go via that route. | 23:30 |
| tanghus | petantik: As long as I get it in my hand by tomorrow :) | 23:31 |
| Aard | tanghus: they can do russia-sweden-germany-sweden-germany-sweden-germany-sweden-helsinki as well | 23:31 |
| mcfrisk | hmm, wlan just 'disconnected' with notifications while playing some bigger video files. root dmesg shows some odd looking messages: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BnXiUFrp | 23:31 |
| tanghus | ROFL Aard | 23:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Aard: ^^ mcfrisk thing... do you know who might know more about what happened? | 23:35 |
| Aard | which thing? | 23:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that link above | 23:35 |
| Aard | no | 23:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i've looked at it, but i have no clue what HDD wifi is, hostarpmode seems something like a AP mode thing though | 23:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Aard: i meant, what dev that is sometimes here, could explain the logs? | 23:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or rather the terms used | 23:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | mcfrisk: maybe you should email devel@lists.sailfishos.org ? | 23:37 |
| mcfrisk | AL13N_lizzy: ok, also trying to reproduce. | 23:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i doubt it's easily reproducable | 23:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though it might | 23:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the signal 9 to dbus looks suspicious | 23:39 |
| mcfrisk | yep | 23:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | unless they don't mean kill signals | 23:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but QT signals | 23:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | afaict it looks like it ends a child process | 23:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | probably a provider related to what ever shut down | 23:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe that dse process is in some sort of race condition deadlock which means it's not being killed off | 23:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (or something) | 23:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, i really need to go sleep now | 23:42 |
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| mcfrisk | me too, but video playback on jolla feels better than my old Thinkpad T60, for those codecs that work out of the box. | 23:43 |
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| tachikom1 | awesome | 23:47 |
| tachikom1 | knights and dragnons works on jolla | 23:47 |
| tachikom1 | the only game i played on mt tablet | 23:47 |
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| dist | do you guys have python on jolla? | 23:50 |
| special | yes | 23:50 |
| dist | even after the upgrade? | 23:51 |
| special | what upgrade? | 23:51 |
| dist | Was it 1.0.1.12 | 23:51 |
| dist | oh well, the os upgrade =D | 23:51 |
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| special | shouldn't have anything to do with python | 23:52 |
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| dist | right, I wonder why the hell I don't have it on the phone =D | 23:52 |
| Turski | dist: have you installed it? | 23:52 |
| dist | Guess not =D | 23:52 |
| Turski | maybe that's why? | 23:52 |
| special | it's not pulled in by anything in the release image, afaik | 23:52 |
| dist | Turski: Ah. How? =D | 23:53 |
| special | my only explicit user seems to be ofono-tests | 23:53 |
| Turski | pkcon install python | 23:53 |
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| dist | right, thanks | 23:53 |
| tachikom1 | google maps works as well :) | 23:53 |
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