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| SpeedEvil | I don't see any clearly obvious differences. | 00:00 |
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| special | SpeedEvil: there was a post on the mailing list. The update is a hotfix for store, nothing else. | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:00 |
| Kabouik | You dropped it SpeedEvil? You might be the first one, finally. | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Kabouik: I am contemplating dropping it. | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00448MAJS | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | Tell us if it blends, too; | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I do not wish to drop it - but it does happen. | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | (I sure agree) | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | And actually its form factor makes it REALLY easy to drop: it's larger than N9 or N900... Swiping down to close app involves really dangerous gestures sometimes | 00:01 |
| Kabouik | And the plastics slips easily | 00:02 |
| Kabouik | The same with pinch-to-zoom/dezoom gestures (true for all recent devices). Anything requiring two fingers for a one-hand-device is risky (hence the beauty of the swirl gesture on N9's MicroB) | 00:02 |
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| phlixi | n9 had swirl? | 00:03 |
| Kabouik | N900! | 00:03 |
| phlixi | n9 had good working double tap | 00:03 |
| Kabouik | Double tap is a different use | 00:03 |
| phlixi | has :D | 00:03 |
| Kabouik | Swirl must be seen as a analogic lever, you trully chose the zoom level | 00:03 |
| Kabouik | Double taps are somewhat binary | 00:04 |
| phlixi | actually i think the doubletap on n900 was also pretty good | 00:04 |
| Milhouse | How can you tell if the MicroSD card has mounted in a Jolla? | 00:04 |
| Milhouse | (Without enabling developer mode) | 00:04 |
| Kabouik | Swirl allows forcing the zoom level you want, not chosing between zoomed versus dezoomed (though it can be convenient too sometimes) | 00:04 |
| Kabouik | For Maps or Browser, swirl would be terrific | 00:04 |
| * SpeedEvil grrs. | 00:05 | |
| nander | We really need sdl to work in the store ;) | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I cannot find the 'submit an idea for will it blend' | 00:05 |
| nander | Getting things like gemRB in store should be #1 priority ;) | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure it was there in the past. | 00:05 |
| Kabouik | A will it blend on Jolla between November 27th and December 10th would have resulted in several people killing themselves. | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:06 |
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| Kabouik | (Which would have pushed others in queue up! Good thing!) | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.willitblend.com/ | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.willitblend.com/videos/iphone-5s rather | 00:06 |
| w00t | nander: SDL I'd anticipate to not be too far away | 00:07 |
| nander | It' s pretty vital | 00:07 |
| Kabouik | Does anyone know if the commandlines for formating SDXC to proper Jolla-friendly ExFormat have been posted on TMO? | 00:10 |
| Kabouik | I'd do it, but need a how to to avoid formating the wrong block. :P | 00:10 |
| Milhouse | What file system needs to be on the MicroSD, I assumed it would be FAT (FAT32 in my case - 16GB) | 00:11 |
| Kabouik | Well, for 64 GB sorry. I think it's only Ext3 or 4 for that | 00:12 |
| Kabouik | And I can't format on my computer, my card reader doesn't like SDXC apparently | 00:12 |
| Milhouse | What's the ssh user for Jolla - still user as it was for N9? | 00:18 |
| Kabouik | nemo | 00:18 |
| Milhouse | ah, thanks | 00:18 |
| Kabouik | Asked the same yesterday myself :p | 00:18 |
| Milhouse | I'm sure I won't be the last - doesn't seem to be much "developer mode" documentation about. Tried enabling "Allow developer updates" but no idea how I'm supposed to register | 00:19 |
| Kabouik | Don't | 00:19 |
| Milhouse | Couldn't :) | 00:19 |
| special | "Allow developer updates" is for internal credentials | 00:19 |
| Kabouik | It's been said it is really not recommended, and by that I mean, not like the usual warning for N900 extras | 00:20 |
| Kabouik | Here it can really mess everything up for no reasons | 00:20 |
| Milhouse | Yeah, finally found a forum post that mentioned it was a bad idea - trouble is it's there, in the UI, asking for trouble... | 00:20 |
| Kabouik | Yes :P | 00:21 |
| special | what happens when you try to enable it, anyway? it's been awhile | 00:21 |
| special | does it just ask for credentials? | 00:21 |
| special | (note: I am not telling you to try) | 00:21 |
| Kabouik | No, he's just standing here, agitating arms, and asking for trouble too. :P | 00:22 |
| special | haha | 00:23 |
| restless_being | special: i tried it yesterday and... not sure if there was any message - I suppose no.. but then I had to reset the device because I was no longer able to access the store | 00:23 |
| special | ah, right. | 00:23 |
| restless_being | what's more I didn't have devmode enabled and.. was not able to enable it | 00:23 |
| restless_being | it was not able to download a required package | 00:24 |
| special | yeah.. that really needs to be more hidden / require credentials first / something | 00:24 |
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| Kabouik | https://github.com/gpodder/gpodder-sailfish Is it working? | 00:28 |
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| Kabouik | Last update: 2 months ago, I guess I have my answer :p | 00:30 |
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| Kabouik | When you "Delete transfers" in Settings/Transfers, you delete history of syncs/failed syncs, but also the temporary download folder of Sailfish Browser? I clicked on a file, it downloaded without asking location. Don't know where to find it/launch it/copy it from/clear it | 00:37 |
| Dima^ | aren't they saved in memo/Download folder? | 00:37 |
| Kabouik | Seems logical! | 00:39 |
| Kabouik | They do | 00:39 |
| Kabouik | Deleteing transfers from Setting apps do not delite files | 00:39 |
| Kabouik | delete | 00:39 |
| Dima^ | Settings/Transfer is just kind of notification list to quick access to downloaded files | 00:41 |
| Kabouik | Yep | 00:42 |
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| Kabouik | Finally got it after you indicated that files are in Download, dumb me not checking | 00:42 |
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| nadriel | morning | 05:24 |
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| tobiski | morning | 05:26 |
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| CoderCandy | Hmm, is there a way to see how far back the queue of shipments I'm in? | 05:38 |
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| ShadowJK | nope | 05:58 |
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| atlaz | Good morning | 06:41 |
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| AntiHawk | yep, morning :) | 06:58 |
| atlaz | Only six days to christmas! | 06:58 |
| AntiHawk | yep, it comes too quickly. I haven't bought any presents yet :S | 06:59 |
| AntiHawk | well 2 jollas, but nothing else yet | 07:00 |
| atlaz | Im torturing my employees by playing christmas songs at 100% volume | 07:00 |
| atlaz | Get in the christmas spirit, or else! | 07:01 |
| phinaliumz | I'm torturing my christmas-loving neightbours by playing Norwegian black metal at 100% volume :p | 07:02 |
| atlaz | One of my employees found some kind of Lemmy christmas album from Spotify and suggested i'd play that | 07:02 |
| atlaz | I responded by looping Crazy frog - Last christmas | 07:02 |
| atlaz | I think i've broken their spirits | 07:03 |
| nahkiss | Getting tortured by "Paid." status :l | 07:04 |
| tobiski | christams was yesterday :) | 07:04 |
| AntiHawk | you got your phone or something else? | 07:05 |
| tobiski | AntiHawk: phone yes | 07:05 |
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| AntiHawk | I almost broke on yesterday in my stupidy :) I was saved by this channel | 07:06 |
| AntiHawk | *broke one | 07:06 |
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| tobiski | how so? | 07:07 |
| AntiHawk | developer mode -> mistype of my rsync backup copy command | 07:08 |
| ShadowJK | nahkiss; me too :) | 07:08 |
| nadriel | AntiHawk, You'er not the only one who mistype something | 07:08 |
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| nadriel | It's exams weeks atm in my University, I kind of put the right date on wrong day in my calendar (paper one). The test is tomorrow. : ) | 07:09 |
| nadriel | Well, my mate appreciates me waking him up. "wtf where's the test" | 07:10 |
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| AntiHawk | :D | 07:11 |
| AntiHawk | so my guess is that you haven't prepared for the test yet | 07:11 |
| nadriel | I have. Darn too well actually, now I have time to forget everything.. | 07:12 |
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| nadriel | I called him from the school this very morning. | 07:13 |
| nadriel | actually something like 20 minutes ago. | 07:14 |
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| mikhas | I dislike getting presents only for the sake of getting presents. It's hard to come up with unique and meaningful stuff. | 07:51 |
| crysaz | sell that idea to my sister's kids. | 07:53 |
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| atlaz | Me and my SO have been together for 11 years, been living together for 8 years, own a house together. You can't buy us anything we need that we don't already have. | 07:56 |
| tachikom1 | I knew some people who insisted on presents | 07:56 |
| tachikom1 | so my present for them was a toilet brush | 07:56 |
| atlaz | I guess when and if we get children, things change. But as for now, we don't kinda need presents | 07:56 |
| tachikom1 | after 3 years and 3 toilet brushes they stopped insisting on getting presents ... | 07:57 |
| atlaz | A couple of christmases ago i stole some stuff from my parents and grandparents houses, packaged them and gave them their stuff back | 07:57 |
| atlaz | I reasoned, that it had to be the perfect gift since they chosen them themself | 07:57 |
| tachikom1 | atlaz: lol | 07:57 |
| tachikom1 | i got children, with them it is different, but i myself, don;t need presents | 07:58 |
| atlaz | Yeah kids change the equation. I got a couple of "godchildren" i need to get presents for | 07:59 |
| atlaz | but they are so young, that the package is more interesting than the actual gift | 07:59 |
| atlaz | Actually i could prolly steal their stuff and give it back to them as presents also | 07:59 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 08:13 |
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| Tofe | morning! | 08:14 |
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| Tofe | it's quiet around here in the morning :) | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | people are too busy reading their news on their jolla | 08:25 |
| Tofe | hehe | 08:26 |
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| Tofe | has Jolla made contact with some screen protection manufacturer ? | 08:28 |
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| Tofe | like in Germany, I think there's one that can cut protections out of a sketch description, if I read well on tmo | 08:28 |
| stephg | Tofe: I just left the plastic cover on mine and will do so until it falls off :) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | oh stephg got one too | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 08:30 |
| stephg | ja! | 08:30 |
| stephg | very happy :) | 08:30 |
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| metallisto | is your jolla also charging so slowly? I connected the charger 2 hours ago with 30% charge.. now it has 70%. | 08:31 |
| ln- | i've used my N9 for over two years without any kind of screen protection, and there's no single scratch on it. so is screen protection even necessary? | 08:32 |
| tobiski | I think my jolla charged pretty quickly with the charger that was deployed with the phone. Although I started the charging when I went to sleep, but I think I heard the sound notification of full battery at some point :D | 08:34 |
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| * Stskeeps isn't terribly fond of the 'oh my battery is full' notifications | 08:34 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:34 |
| metallisto | ln-: if you don't use your keys on the screen i guess you don't need the screen protection.. but avoid to drop the phone | 08:35 |
| crysaz | Stskeeps: how about "Ouh, your USB cable is plugged, but I'm still going to drain the battery anyway." ? | 08:36 |
| tobiski | as for usage, i've used it for 3,5 hours with 3G data connection on and current precentage is 84% | 08:36 |
| metallisto | so could it be a device issue? | 08:36 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: well... that bit is a bit silly, yes... i always did like the "You unplugged me from the charger. Good, now unplug the charger from the wall as well, it saves energy, you silly person" type notifications on some devices ;) | 08:36 |
| mikhas | ln-, yeah never understood why people treated their N9 like that | 08:36 |
| Tofe | stephg: I did the same, but it already has bubbles going in, and looks messy after only two days | 08:37 |
| mikhas | it was *made* to endure every-day situations | 08:37 |
| mikhas | and the materials were chosen wisely ;-) | 08:37 |
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| stephg | mikhas: when I can easily go and buy a second one I'll take the protector off, until then I'm being very careful with this one! | 08:38 |
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| mikhas | leinir, I haven't yet luck to convince my family of that … | 08:38 |
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| mikhas | stephg, are you as careful with other things too? | 08:38 |
| mikhas | ;-) | 08:38 |
| tobiski | I peeled the cover plastic off straight away when I took the phone out of box | 08:38 |
| stephg | mikhas: well I did manage to scratch both of my N9s, and destroyed the screen of my N900 | 08:39 |
| tobiski | it was like this, but alone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrjwBvB7APY | 08:39 |
| mikhas | stephg, pariah dog! | 08:39 |
| stephg | ha | 08:39 |
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| stephg | so random questions from me today: does anyone know if a hack/workaround to stop sound notifications stopping the media player? | 08:41 |
| stephg | n9 behaviour was to notify over the media play, but currently here it stops the player, plays whatever notification sound, starts the player again | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | does it restart your song? | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | from the beginning | 08:42 |
| stephg | no, just pauses | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | oh, good | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | metallisto; some people reported bad chargers and got better results with other chargers | 08:42 |
| stephg | but is quite irritating say if you're in conversations on jabber, say | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | I thought it was kinda cool feature on n900, with mediaplayer pausing. Listening to streaming radio to car stereo, while navigation app running, music fades out and voice tells me where to turn, music fades back in :D | 08:45 |
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| AL13N_work | it would be better for notifications to put the rest in background (decreasing master, but increasing notification volume) | 08:49 |
| AL13N_work | and if a call is accepted, only then to pause the other stuff | 08:49 |
| smokex | that makes far too much too much sense | 08:51 |
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| pigletto | metallisto: in my case first charging took a lot of time but subsequent ones were much faster | 09:00 |
| pigletto | but anyway it seems that my jolla eats battery very quickly | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | we have a lot of stuff ongoing to help that | 09:01 |
| metallisto | for me it is the second time now. first time was from 65% - 100% and second now from 30 to 75%(current) but it took already 3 hours | 09:01 |
| crysaz | Stskeeps: i think you could get alot of bug information, if you had a tracker set up | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | crysaz: we're working on something for that | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | just got pushed a bit forward | 09:03 |
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| ggabriel | morning everyone | 09:05 |
| MMori | metallisto: The charger that comes with the phone seems to charge a lot slower than e.g. samsung galaxy sIII charger. I charged with the jolla charger yesterday from 46% to 80% in 3.5 hours. Then I switched to samsung charger and it took ~40 minutes from 80%-100% | 09:09 |
| Jope | did you look at the chargers | 09:09 |
| Jope | what is written on the type label | 09:09 |
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| Jope | ours is rated at 5VDC 1A | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i'd be very careful with more powerful chargers than what jolla ships (that's measured in amperes) | 09:09 |
| MMori | ggabriel: Yes I know | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i'd be even more careful with anything that samsung produces ;-) | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | then again it's just a battery | 09:10 |
| MMori | ggabriel: That I can't agree on. | 09:10 |
| Jope | the micro usb connector is rated for 1.25A as far as I remember from the USB spec .. I may be mistaken though, it's been a looong time since I read it | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | you can get a new one | 09:10 |
| Jope | and it is a very big spec.. | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: the phone will take as much power as it needs, the charger can't "push" more amps | 09:10 |
| metallisto | I have problems with contact import. After I made a device reset and restored my backup, all existing contacts where not synced anymore with facebook. So I had to delete these people, delete my fb account and setup again | 09:10 |
| MMori | I just can't wait for more than 7 hour to get the phone to 100% | 09:10 |
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| MMori | I just can't do that | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | MMori: 7 hours sounds like a stretch indeed - but it does also sound like battery "training" | 09:11 |
| MMori | battery "training"? | 09:11 |
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| ggabriel | yeah, batteries never charge/last as long as they are designed for the first few times | 09:12 |
| MMori | Yes, I'm hoping for it to improve and stabilize soon. I've only used it for a week now.. | 09:12 |
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| ggabriel | i'd personally avoid using other chargers for that reason | 09:13 |
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| ggabriel | also, my n9 performs better when i charge it with a 1A charger rather than with the usb one | 09:13 |
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| ggabriel | i bet the battery doesn't get fully charged but the phone detects otherwise | 09:13 |
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| mcfrisk | jolla Documents: when deleting a doc, and 'tap to cancel' is on, deleting additional docs brings up another 'tap to cancel' dialog but the doc isn't actually deleted. | 09:14 |
| MMori | But I hope there will be a longer lasting battery with better charger available for purchase later on. | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i hear they are working on the power consumption | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | if you use android and/or location services, then your battery is likely to go flat quicker | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | (for now) | 09:15 |
| MMori | Yes, I hope they can do something about it | 09:15 |
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| MMori | no I'm not using gps, only wifi and 3g (I could as well switch to 2g) | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | somebody mentioned something about wifi | 09:16 |
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| ggabriel | as in... switching it off improved battery life | 09:16 |
| MMori | That's a no option for me. I'd rather use wifi that I pay for than buy a data packet for mobile also. | 09:17 |
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| MMori | But that's my fault I suppose ;) | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | MMori: totally understand, just saying what i read out there | 09:17 |
| MMori | ^^ I know | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | i'll also want another battery, possibly an external charger | 09:17 |
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| MMori | ggabriel: that would solve a lot | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | ALSO i never trust myself re battery life the first week or so i get a phone | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | because i'm constatly fiddling with it | 09:17 |
| MMori | :P | 09:18 |
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| MMori | It's a beautiful phone | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | i bet it is ;-) | 09:19 |
| MMori | You haven't got yours yet? | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | nope | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | i'll be lucky if i get it before xmas | 09:19 |
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| MMori | Aww, I feel for you | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | but i'm reading a lot about it | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | as other people like yourself experience with it | 09:19 |
| MMori | I just hate how Finnish media is going about the phone | 09:19 |
| MMori | For a few weeks now I haven't seen a single one positive article about it | 09:20 |
| MMori | And I just hate it | 09:20 |
| Quu | thats how finnish media works | 09:20 |
| tobiski | MMori: they're just slicing atoms with those articles and reviews. Nothing really important that a software update wouldn't fix | 09:20 |
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| MMori | That's true | 09:20 |
| Tofe | faenil, cybette: what place and time to you prefer for tomorrow, in Tampere ? I think most of the constraints are on your side :) | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | i don't mind if jolla remains small but self sustaining for a few more months, perhaps a copule more years | 09:21 |
| MMori | But I'm surprised they don't encourage a starting Finnish company | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | MMori: hate sells better than joy | 09:21 |
| MMori | ggabriel: that's true, that will give us the best possible product | 09:21 |
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| MMori | I know | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | also, it lowers expectations, which is positive | 09:21 |
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| MMori | I'd just love to see some support especially after all that's happened with Nokia lately. | 09:22 |
| tobiski | it's a conspiracy, jolla has told the media to give bad picture of the procut so that when people buy they'll be like "wow, this is awesome and nothing like in the reviews" | 09:23 |
| pp_ | Of course they're negative about finnish products, it's our nature :-) | 09:23 |
| pp_ | we're not good enough for anyone in anything ;_; | 09:23 |
| pp_ | and it's national news if we get noticed anywhere | 09:23 |
| MMori | Well it's in our nature so it must remain that way for all eternity. | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | i think whatever the media has to say is irrelevant anyway | 09:23 |
| MMori | :) | 09:23 |
| restless_being | really? I always though that Finlandia vodka is one of the best | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | there will be plenty of people to make jolla successful | 09:23 |
| MMori | ggabriel: it's not | 09:23 |
| pp_ | restless_being: no longer finnish | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | jolla is the _only_ mobile company thta is so small | 09:24 |
| restless_being | ugh | 09:24 |
| pp_ | well, produced here, yes. | 09:24 |
| * ggabriel never knew that finland made good vodka | 09:24 | |
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| zutto | restless_being: it has been voted to be the best vodka in the world, so.. yeah | 09:24 |
| Jope | unixverstas olutensin, finlandia vodka | 09:24 |
| MMori | ggabriel: and yet they've managed to make so much in such little time, they really deserve a bit of praising | 09:24 |
| MMori | :D | 09:24 |
| pp_ | actually you can buy the same industrial ethanol in a less fancy bottle for a lot less :-) | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | MMori: that goes without saying. they made an open phone with a terminal | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | no other has that | 09:25 |
| tobiski | one more example from finnish media Iltalehti, someone made an article about Oculus Rift and claimed it to be finnish product :D | 09:25 |
| MMori | tobiski: Really? :D | 09:25 |
| tobiski | yup | 09:25 |
| MMori | Oh dear, they're so lost. | 09:26 |
| pp_ | Can't really say the "message" has been strong enough either | 09:26 |
| zutto | tobiski: iltalehti is a comedy magazine | 09:26 |
| pp_ | "We have a great touch-only UX, and native applications are awesome. Until we get enough, there's also Android compat" | 09:26 |
| MMori | zutto: That's what Finns read.... | 09:26 |
| zutto | same thing with tietokone magazine | 09:26 |
| zutto | they're both just a big jokes | 09:27 |
| zutto | MMori: i do too, for the laughs | 09:27 |
| tobiski | zutto: ye I'm staring to realize that too. 80% of the articles are made without any background check | 09:27 |
| pp_ | Mutated into "Buggy thing that's confusing to use, and badly runs some android apps. Go get a Samsung" | 09:27 |
| zutto | the people writing them have no clue what they are writing about | 09:27 |
| zutto | tietokone magazine writers think that android doesnt run on linux | 09:27 |
| Frye | Problem with the printed magazines is really that they need to entertain | 09:28 |
| smokex | its mostly copy paste | 09:28 |
| Frye | Because real news are more and more read on internet | 09:28 |
| Pnuu | that oculus "news" was because the tabloid people read "finish" as "Finnish".. | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | aren't printed magazines there for the pictures? | 09:28 |
| zutto | smokex: actually mostly its just translating from english to finnish | 09:29 |
| zutto | so not direct copypasta | 09:29 |
| Frye | -> There is no real need to write what is right. Just write something that is entertaining to read and then sell papers | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | they should just go into the fiction business and sell books | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| Quu | they do that too.. | 09:29 |
| Frye | Agreed :-) | 09:29 |
| Pnuu | wonder why I don't read tabloid papers.. | 09:29 |
| narchie | what | 09:29 |
| narchie | Finnish media is a joke | 09:29 |
| narchie | news at 11 | 09:29 |
| MMori | I hope it would be a joke for everybody. | 09:30 |
| Quu | most of the old peoples believe everything they hear on the news | 09:31 |
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| zutto | depends what kind of old people | 09:31 |
| Quu | most. | 09:32 |
| zutto | i wouldnt say most | 09:32 |
| zutto | out of the old people i know, most dont believe what news say | 09:32 |
| metallisto | Repost: I have problems with contact import. After I made a device reset and restored my backup, all existing contacts where not synced anymore with facebook. So I had to delete these people, delete my fb account and setup again | 09:34 |
| mcfrisk | jolla email: maybe this was already mentioned here, but it's weird that clicking on downloaded pdf attachments on emails doesn't open them up, instead they need to be opened separately from documents. Well at least they are there. | 09:34 |
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| metallisto | It seems people existing in contacts are not added with separate entry again but also not merged | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | metallisto: are you on the latest os update? | 09:35 |
| metallisto | 1.0.1.12 | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | is that the latest and greatest? if yes, and you can reproduce, i'd tell care@j.c | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | there are plenty of issues with contact importing | 09:37 |
| MMori | it is the latest | 09:37 |
| MMori | Also the cover action buttons doesn't seem to work. I don't know if those have ever worked | 09:38 |
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| ggabriel | MMori: at least one person reported that they not only work, they are very cool | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | MMori: but i guess it depends on the application | 09:38 |
| MMori | Actually now they work | 09:39 |
| MMori | har | 09:39 |
| MMori | Well it's good those work, don't know what was with it yesterday. | 09:39 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: for your 6 month plan - one of the outstanding things is unified*, eyecandy-ambience is nice but without profilematic just that, for jumping the bandwagon userfriendly encryption (FS,mail,xmpp) will draw some attention; 12month -> the next device could have a dedicated AES chip too and get you customers like Daimler/Siemens (they buy batches of +10k and use Nokia and BB) if the other business relevant things are compatible with lotusN | 09:40 |
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| mcfrisk | Cover action buttons don't work for me either, or at least they don't do anything with browser, phone, email or clock apps. Or maybe I maybe I'm poking them wrong. | 09:42 |
| Quu | mcfrisk: press and swipe to left/right | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | mcfrisk: they're not buttons, you swipe them | 09:43 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: you do not poke em you need to slide what you want to the center of the cover (for 2) | 09:43 |
| Quu | :p | 09:43 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: watch a video! | 09:43 |
| mcfrisk | heh, yep, just discovered them :) They do work! | 09:44 |
| chem|st | just like the guy tapping everything in the very first hands-on video | 09:44 |
| mcfrisk | Users are stupid. MOT. | 09:45 |
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| chem|st | friday with a lot of beer I was talking about the ideas behind harmattan and sailfish and asked a guy "here that breadcrump, you want it gone what do you do?"... I placed my N9 at the same spot opened the calendar and said "do the same again now" | 09:46 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: sry but having preordered the device somehow I think you are a geek and you are even in irc and I assume you know that the UI wants to be swiped | 09:47 |
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| mcfrisk | chem|st: heh, I was happy to find bash, ssh and git on the device but don't know how to use GUI | 09:48 |
| mcfrisk | 's | 09:48 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: sorry if I was rude | 09:48 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: exactly^^ | 09:49 |
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| MMori | People coming from the "terminal" world definately aren't the best ones with guis :P | 09:49 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: backups are a git repo in .vault in your home it seems, as you mention git | 09:49 |
| chem|st | MMori: I need to work with windows at work and people are looking at me very strange when I do like ten tasks in a row without lifting my hands of the keyboard... when they would drop one arm below the desk and do everything by mouse.... | 09:51 |
| MMori | chem|st: I know :) | 09:51 |
| smokex | thats pretty cool.. git used as a settings back up mecahnism :D | 09:51 |
| chem|st | I facepalm every time when someone copy/pastes with rightclicking | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: is there any other way? :-D | 09:52 |
| MMori | And no doubt you have configurations that prevents "normal" people using the computer without feeling confused | 09:52 |
| MMori | ggabriel: not sure if trolling | 09:52 |
| * chem|st slaps ggabriel with a slippery trout | 09:52 | |
| ggabriel | you can tell a proper engineer with the way they unlock a pc | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | shift/control/alt = proper | 09:52 |
| ggabriel | mouse = well.... | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | s/unlock/bring the password window up or whatever to wake up the screen | 09:53 |
| Frye | Mouse = Work brake | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | mouse is useful for browsing though | 09:53 |
| Frye | And cordless mouse was useful for movie controls | 09:54 |
| Frye | but now I have wireless kb too ... | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | Frye: you mean bluemaemo? | 09:54 |
| chem|st | MMori: my netbook is unusable by another person, its ION3 with 3 layers of keyboard shortcuts, for people knowing ion I left some of the basic commands where they are... | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: once a client asked for my laptop to configure my wifi (they wanted to put a static ip and whatnot) | 09:54 |
| MMori | chem|st: I'm not surprised ^^ | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | i use openbox, no menus, only shortcuts, obviously linux | 09:54 |
| faenil | Tofe, let's see what cybette says :) | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | my laptop was returned to me after 5 seconds | 09:54 |
| smokex | ggabriel: you think that the use of a mouse for menial tasks defines how good an engineer is? | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | "you do it" | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | smokex: of course not | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | but observe the poeple that you know, and the pattern is there | 09:55 |
| mcfrisk | about not discovering swipe, it was strange that alt + left/right arrows didn't work with the virtual keyboard, but the swiping thing does (again noticied by accident) | 09:55 |
| chem|st | MMori: my desktop is gnome3 for the sake of my sister and my girlfriend - but they are still scared... | 09:55 |
| mcfrisk | ^in the console app | 09:55 |
| Pnuu | mapping double tap to alt+a would rock, like in irssi connectbot | 09:56 |
| flux | my mother's XP is feeling a bit expired, I'm seriously considering that I could just as easily switch to some modern ubuntu desktop as I could switch to windows 8 | 09:56 |
| chem|st | mcfrisk: you had no fingerterm yet... that is pretty strange to adapt to if you know other mobile terminals | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | flux: be warned, ubuntu will run faster | 09:56 |
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| ggabriel | mcfrisk: you mean swipe to do what exactly? (not sure what alt+left/right is for) | 09:57 |
| * ggabriel also doesn't know fingerterm, maybe another thing to play with | 09:58 | |
| Pnuu | ggabriel: changing between irssi screens | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | aaahh, that's pretty cool | 09:58 |
| Pnuu | alt+left to lower numbers | 09:58 |
| Pnuu | alt+a would be even better | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | yes, i use it on my desktop | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | i read terminal, not irssi | 09:59 |
| Pnuu | well, yeah, irssi in terminal :-D | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | yes of course | 09:59 |
| metallisto | is there any easy way for tethering or nat? | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | but presumably it's irssi running on the phone, right? | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | so it won't work if i ssh somewhere and use irssi running on a server | 09:59 |
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| Pnuu | ggabriel: no, on a server | 10:00 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: in a screen on a server, just fine | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: kewl, i like it | 10:00 |
| MMori | chem|st: agreed, works just fine. | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | metallisto: there is a post in tmo (in the user experience thread under sailfish) | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | not "easy" though | 10:01 |
| chem|st | from left to right, irssi-centerIM-mutt (yeah I know...) | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | it should be fairly easy if you use windows or something or other | 10:01 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: you need to tweak fingerterm a bit to make it $nice | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: yeah, i guess i'll read about it | 10:02 |
| cvp | Hello :D | 10:02 |
| chem|st | cvp: o/ | 10:03 |
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| cvp | o/ ? what ist thismeaning ? :D | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | cvp: coffee in one hand, hi with the other | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | it's obvious :P | 10:04 |
| MMori | it's a dude with his hand raised up, he's waving at you | 10:04 |
| chem|st | has anyone an idea where to look for disabling mediaindexing for ringtones? | 10:04 |
| cvp | aaahhh :D | 10:04 |
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| cvp | ok like \o/ ... | 10:04 |
| MMori | chem|st: also for navigator voice commands? :P | 10:04 |
| chem|st | cvp: good morning to you too | 10:04 |
| cvp | thanks :D | 10:04 |
| chem|st | MMori: really? | 10:04 |
| MMori | chem|st: if you're talking about the media app? | 10:05 |
| chem|st | have a wmv in mp3player... | 10:05 |
| MMori | k | 10:05 |
| chem|st | and ringtones too | 10:05 |
| chem|st | and coverart in gallery | 10:05 |
| chem|st | I do not have all my coverart embedded into mp3s.... | 10:06 |
| chem|st | on N9 I started to delete it... | 10:07 |
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| chem|st | gallery sorts by name what is pretty anoying... | 10:07 |
| chem|st | lockscreen has a button... wtf - get that UI consistant! | 10:08 |
| cvp | is it possible to mark all emails as viewed | 10:09 |
| cvp | read | 10:09 |
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| cvp | over 900 mails... dont want to open all and mark as read | 10:10 |
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| Quu | its over 9000 | 10:11 |
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| tobiski | cvp: raising your arm to wave "Hello" | 10:13 |
| tobiski | oh :D | 10:13 |
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| cvp | ;) | 10:13 |
| tobiski | my window was scrolled up and your question was the latest row :D | 10:13 |
| tobiski | while we're at it: \o(/ <- a ballet dancer | 10:14 |
| cvp | omg | 10:14 |
| cvp | ok :D | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: so then \)o(/ is falling from the sky? | 10:15 |
| tobiski | ggabriel: nope, giving birth | 10:15 |
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| ggabriel | tobiski: lol, ok applies to women only | 10:16 |
| cvp | ( . ) . ) | 10:16 |
| cvp | eyes from garfield :P ..... i dont know what you have think | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | i just saw eyes | 10:17 |
| tobiski | wheels of a monster truck | 10:17 |
| cvp | so, there is also no ways to mark all emails as read ? | 10:17 |
| Quu | i cant figure way to do it | 10:19 |
| ggabriel | long press somewhere? | 10:20 |
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| Quu | you can do it one by one with long press | 10:20 |
| * ggabriel doesn't own a jolla yet but knows that long press sometimes yields hidden functionality | 10:20 | |
| Quu | but with over 9000 emails.. | 10:20 |
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| ggabriel | so you can't delete multiple emails either, right? | 10:20 |
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| Quu | you can do that | 10:21 |
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| Quu | pulley -> choose multiple (or whatever its in english) -> tap on mails -> trashcan icon | 10:21 |
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| cvp | Quu, you say, with emails, is it possible to mark all as read, ??? | 10:22 |
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| cvp | wihth 9000 emails | 10:22 |
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| Quu | no. | 10:23 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps, Aard: Download finally worked this morning and installing went fine. :) | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | bjorn: good | 10:24 |
| chem|st | cvp: way way to go... | 10:24 |
| nander | still waiting :( | 10:24 |
| tachikom1 | so, my phone is in in picking now, i assume it has already arrived and i get a trackingid in two weeks? ;) | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | tachikom1: sometimes you receive it and it's still in picking | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | tachikom1: it has to pass through a wormhole first to ensure timely delivery in the past | 10:25 |
| nander | YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa | 10:25 |
| leinir | *giggles* :) | 10:26 |
| bjorn | Stskeeps: The store is still very slow though. I never see screenshots and comments and icons/app lists take very long as well. | 10:26 |
| Quu | bjorn: works for me on wlan | 10:26 |
| bjorn | Quu: I'm on WLAN too. Maybe I should try restarting my router again... | 10:28 |
| Quu | reboot all the things! | 10:28 |
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| tachikom1 | i like the timetravel enabled delivery, it's kinda awesome | 10:29 |
| tachikom1 | reminds me of the interesting question taht came up when someone had a sparc with a broken clock - it went forward but occassionaly jumped back more tan it counted forward, => running backwards | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | bjorn: it sounds like your connectivity is a bit moody | 10:30 |
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| bjorn | Stskeeps: Well, if it is indeed related to my own WLAN this would be good news. :) | 10:32 |
| Quu | bjorn: is your wlan named as some woman-like name? :p | 10:32 |
| Quu | maybe its "that time of month"? | 10:33 |
| tobiski | "Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?" | 10:33 |
| Milhouse | journalctl log rotation is occurring every couple of hours, is it possible to look at older logs or are they not kept? | 10:33 |
| Milhouse | I need to see something that happened about 3 hours ago.. | 10:33 |
| ggabriel | mildly related (never gets old): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: you can force journal to be persistent with mkdir -p /var/log/journal | 10:33 |
| Milhouse | and it will rotate but keep older version, won't run out of space? | 10:34 |
| tobiski | ggabriel: oh yea that's a great vid :D | 10:34 |
| bjorn | Quu: I have no idea what's up with my WLAN. The router is right in front of me, but indeed other devices are on the laggy side as well. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/journald.conf.html for full contro | 10:34 |
| nander | wireless on jola plain sucks stm | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | l | 10:34 |
| nander | No certificate support on wpa enterprise | 10:35 |
| Milhouse | ok wasn't sure if Jolla were using some unusual version due to the lack of /var/log/journal! | 10:35 |
| Milhouse | many thanks - last thing, is a reboot required after creating the directory? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 10:35 |
| Milhouse | ok cheers | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: you're upgraded to 1.0.1.10 btw? | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | or .1 | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | 2 | 10:37 |
| Milhouse | I'm on .12 | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | good | 10:38 |
| Milhouse | have rebooted, should I expect to see anything in the /var/log/journal directory immediately (like the current log) or only once a rotate has occurred? | 10:39 |
| Milhouse | currently the directory is empty | 10:40 |
| MMori | ggabriel: not related, still funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | MMori: thanks, i'll watch it after the server is down | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | i'm laughing btw | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | never gets old | 10:40 |
| MMori | :P | 10:40 |
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| Milhouse | looks like it's still writing to /run/log/journal | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | it'll write to both, afai | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:41 |
| Milhouse | do i need to edit /etc/systemd/journal.conf and set persitent? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | should have same effect | 10:42 |
| Milhouse | hmm ok will wait a bit longer and see if any logs turn up | 10:43 |
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| MMori | ggabriel: that's even more hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | MMori: yeah, seen it before, very funny. i use the "imagine..." metaphore with my gf sometimes | 10:45 |
| MMori | :D | 10:45 |
| ggabriel | sorry, not imagine, but "think of..." | 10:45 |
| ggabriel | csi is awesome | 10:45 |
| MMori | oh yes | 10:46 |
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| tachikom1 | csi this crime tv series?\ | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 10:52 |
| tachikom1 | i never managed to finish a single episode :( | 10:53 |
| tachikom1 | just got so boring always | 10:53 |
| Milhouse | grew impatient. set persistent in /etc/systemd/journal.conf, rebooted, now have journals in /var/log/journal :) | 10:53 |
| tachikom1 | but i guess there a abunch of different ones if i understood it right, maybe i just watched the wrong ones | 10:53 |
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| ggabriel | tachikom1: just for the lulz really | 10:54 |
| tachikom1 | yeah, i know the jokes about zooming into something being mirrored on the edge of a pen and so on, i think that was fromcsi, wasn't it? | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | something like that | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | miami was the best tho | 10:56 |
| ggabriel | horatio was awesome | 10:56 |
| tachikom1 | mh, i'll have to try that again :) | 10:56 |
| ggabriel | i mean, it's all bs, but it's funny | 10:56 |
| tachikom1 | currently awaiting dr who christmas epoisode :) | 10:56 |
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| tachikom1 | just can't get around the new doctor, know the actor from "the thick of it" and it will be weird if he is not ranting all the time | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | my gf is wastching dr who | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | i didn't get tempted yet | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | i ought to finish playing super mario galaxy 2 tho | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | that takes higher priority | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | (until i get my jolla) | 10:58 |
| tachikom1 | i watch it since i was a small kid, have nearly all still exiting episodes of the old doctors | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | i think they are all (or most of them) in lovefilm | 10:58 |
| tachikom1 | the new ones are nice, but i actually still prefer the old ones, they are cheesy as hell but also have awesome stories | 10:58 |
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| tachikom1 | "the pirate planet" by douglas adams is brilliant | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | why didn't i read that? | 10:59 |
| tachikom1 | knights with headmounted displays having a hollowed out planet that materialized around other planets - mining them empty and then moving on | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | and here i was thinking i read most of adams | 10:59 |
| tachikom1 | that is a dr who episode adams wrote | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | aaahhh | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | nice | 11:00 |
| tachikom1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pirate_Planet | 11:00 |
| tachikom1 | mh, have to leave for lunch, c ya | 11:00 |
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| Tofe | faenil: cybette said at some time after work, maybe dinner time -- but we should take into account that my last train back will leave at 21:10 | 11:11 |
| faenil | Tofe, mm not sure I'll be available for dinner | 11:13 |
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| matt_1979 | Hi, while deploying an application to my Jolla device, I get the following error "error while loading shared libraries: libsailfishapp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", this works fine on the emulator... I've run a find over the whole device and that library does indeed not exist. Is there something additional I need to do when setting up the project in QT Creator? Many thanks in a | 11:14 |
| matt_1979 | dvance. | 11:14 |
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| atlaz | matt_1979: try #sailfishos for dev. problems | 11:15 |
| matt_1979 | thanks | 11:15 |
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| Tofe | faenil: ok, but then let's meet sooner for a simple beer, no problem | 11:16 |
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| Tofe | faenil: I just don't know at what kind of hour you and cybette leave work -- if you ever leave it these days ;) | 11:17 |
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| faenil | Tofe, eheheh :) | 11:18 |
| faenil | well I can leave at 17 | 11:19 |
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| Jonni | matt_1979: Requires: libsailfishapp -line needs to be added to your yaml/spec file :) | 11:26 |
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| matt_1979 | Many thanks, I'll give it a try | 11:32 |
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| ShadowJK | in picking 2*34xx / 71xx :) | 11:37 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: woohoo | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | Pnuu: thanks, fought the laziness and installed fingerterm in harmattan | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | that makes me a happy panda | 11:40 |
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| chem|st | as written in tmo there is a problem with importing contacts from a vcf, I als had the problem that a sync from N9 despite saying complete/successful I was missing contacts this morning... notes and calendarentries do not get transfered | 11:50 |
| bjorn | When I put on the Other Half it asked me whether I wanted to install the ambience, however I managed to somehow quit this question without it doing anything. | 11:50 |
| bjorn | Is there any way to get it back, short of taking the Other Half off and putting it back on again? | 11:50 |
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| ln- | afaik no, but taking it off is not such a big task | 11:52 |
| bjorn | ln-: True, though each time I do that it says the SIM card was removed. | 11:54 |
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| pigletto | Anyone experiences problem while trying to send e-mail? I get information about login problems on Jolla device and SMTP server logs that: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: Invalid authentication mechanism | 11:55 |
| pigletto | same settings on Android device just work :/ | 11:55 |
| bjorn | Ok, it's installing now. | 11:55 |
| ln- | bjorn: I had some trouble with the SIM socket as well, but it wasn't related to removing or reattaching TOH. | 11:58 |
| bjorn | ln-: Ok. I already shifted the card back and forth a little in an attempt to resolve contact issues. I hope it'll go away. | 12:00 |
| bjorn | ln-: Though it's still installing this Other Half stuff. This seems to take forever. :S | 12:00 |
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| simbrown | pigletto: I can't send mail either, I haven't been able to get an error message yet apart from sync failed. | 12:03 |
| pigletto | simbrown: I have 'Problem with logging' shown | 12:04 |
| pigletto | hm, might be because my smtp server uses untrusted certificate | 12:04 |
| pigletto | and seems there is no way to mark it as trusted :| | 12:04 |
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| simbrown | I use fastmail.fm | 12:05 |
| pigletto | simbrown: so, even more strange, in my case it's internal company smtp server | 12:06 |
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| bjorn | Ok, I'm not convinced it's not going to finish installing that. | 12:07 |
| bjorn | I'm now* | 12:07 |
| simbrown | pigletto: With out a better error message I've no idea what's wrong. It could be something very simple. I'll have to enable dev mode and dig around | 12:07 |
| sremes | how do you set the email address to be used for a plain imap/smtp account? | 12:08 |
| simbrown | sremes: I haven't tried to do that yet. I hadn't realised that it hadn't been set | 12:09 |
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| sremes | I configured an account and tried to send email, from-field had address like "username@domain.invalid" | 12:10 |
| pigletto | sremes: yeah, seems not possible to set that | 12:12 |
| pigletto | sremes: I have just 'username' shown in from field | 12:12 |
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| sremes | that makes it kind of inconvenient to use, since people could not reply to you :) | 12:13 |
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| pigletto | sremes: not a big deal as I can't even send e-mail to them ;) | 12:16 |
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| chem|st | has anyone tried to ln -s the sdcard to one of the userdirs for mtp export?! | 12:24 |
| Jope | I saw someone tried that and it worked | 12:24 |
| Jope | ymmv :-D | 12:24 |
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| chem|st | k | 12:26 |
| chem|st | sremes: I have 2 accounts setup both are imap/smtp and both show correctly in jolla-mail | 12:31 |
| pigletto | chem|st: and can you send e-mail using these? what authorization method do you use? | 12:32 |
| chem|st | pigletto: one is ssl the other tls | 12:36 |
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| chem|st | it does show an empty cc line in header though | 12:37 |
| chem|st | the rest is fine | 12:37 |
| pigletto | chem|st: I have SSL with 'use password', and I can't send e-mail using this | 12:37 |
| chem|st | yeah that too.. both have password auth | 12:38 |
| pigletto | As said before, I suppose not trusted certificate problems :| | 12:38 |
| cybette | faenil: what time are you available tomorrow then? | 12:39 |
| restless_being | guys, is the web browser based on opera? webkit? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | restless_being: gecko | 12:40 |
| cybette | Tofe: i think i left work around 11pm yesterday, managed to catch last bus before midnight | 12:40 |
| faenil | cybette, don't know, 17? | 12:41 |
| restless_being | Stskeeps: tx | 12:41 |
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| cybette | faenil: 17 till? (since you mention you can't make it to dinner) | 12:42 |
| faenil | cybette, yeah talking to phdeswer, we should be going to have fun with rifles tomorrow :D | 12:43 |
| faenil | but don't know the time | 12:43 |
| chem|st | that might be one thing... | 12:43 |
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| phdeswer | faenil: for tomorrow if you want to join that would be leaving around 17h | 12:47 |
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| artemma | WooHoo, my order is in picking! | 12:48 |
| faenil | phdeswer, ah | 12:48 |
| artemma | Guys, what about your experience? For how long does order stay in "in picking"? A day? | 12:49 |
| Quu | artemma: mine was about 4 days (because of independence day and all those holidays) | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | artemma: woohoo (re in picking) | 12:51 |
| Quu | artemma: but with luck, it ships today/tomorrow | 12:52 |
| cybette | Tofe: how about joining us for lunch tomorow? place not confirmed, will text you | 12:52 |
| atlaz | After a picking list is printed, one would think that the picking would not take that long | 12:52 |
| atlaz | Since it's only one item | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: unless you pick 100 at a time ;-) | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | or 500 :P | 12:52 |
| atlaz | its still only one item | 12:53 |
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| ggabriel | 500 >> 1 | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | (point being that they up date every batch, not by item) | 12:53 |
| Quu | yup | 12:53 |
| Quu | and you cant know how big those are | 12:53 |
| atlaz | Yeah, but you don't have to run around the warehouse like a "normal" pick, where you have 3-5 different items in different places of the warehouse | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | unless you have a spy fly | 12:54 |
| Tofe | cybette: lunch ? my my, why not; what time would that be ? | 12:55 |
| cybette | Tofe: noon-ish? | 12:55 |
| cybette | Tofe: we can discuss beer possibility for evening later (i sure as hell need one) | 12:56 |
| Tofe | noon-ish sound good | 12:56 |
| cybette | atlaz: some will have 2 items - Jolla + LE TOH (or a note saying the TOH will be shipped later as we ran out) | 12:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | cybette: Got tracking info on the review unit - says it will be here day before Christmas - PERFECTLY timed :D | 12:57 |
| cybette | MFaro-Tusino: \o/ | 12:57 |
| atlaz | cybette: yeah, well anyway. One large container containing phones, next to it one larg container containing TOH:s. Look at picking list, take on item or two items, put in bag, click button, paste shipping documents, repeat 500 times :P | 12:58 |
| atlaz | ~10secs / shipment. Unless it's a dumb system with lots of manual steps | 12:59 |
| Kabouik | Anyone could help me with fdisk on Jolla? I'd like to use my #%&$ µSDXC, but can only use my Jolla to format it because I have no other card reader | 12:59 |
| Tofe | Kabouik: fdisk is so user friendly, I don't understand what difficulty you could have :) | 13:01 |
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| Tofe | Kabouik: I guess the first thing to do is to be sure you use fdisk on the correct disk | 13:02 |
| Kabouik | Well, I'm have no basics Tofe, and I'm not sure how to find the unformatted SDCARD, or how to format it. And I want to avoid formatting something that shouldn't be formatted :p | 13:02 |
| Kabouik | Don't know why I used caps for writting sdcard. | 13:02 |
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| atlaz | Isn't internal storage shown as an sdcard in Jolla also? | 13:03 |
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| Tofe | I don't know yet the naming used by Jolla for its storages | 13:04 |
| Kabouik | I have no idea, but anyway I don't even know what to put after "fdisk" in terminal. I seem to remember the names of the blocks are mmcblkXXX in N900, but I am not going to put something here without being sure it is the SD card :p | 13:05 |
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| Tofe | could be "fdisk /dev/sdb" for instance | 13:05 |
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| Tofe | on n900, it would be fdisk /dev/mmcblk1 | 13:06 |
| Kabouik | "for instance" :p | 13:06 |
| Tofe | yes, I don't know the naming, so I'm being careful with what I say :) | 13:06 |
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| Kabouik | I really have no basics, I need help. I know I should go into terminal if I have no basics, but I should be able to use my sdcard too so that's the way to do it | 13:06 |
| Kabouik | shouldn't go* | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: if you are using your phone, i suggest that you first play with fdisk on a computer with linux | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | if you break your phone (which you can with fdisk), they'll charge you to reflash it | 13:07 |
| Kabouik | I don't have any Linux install available at the moment | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | get virtualbox and install something | 13:07 |
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| sremes | and fdisk won't do any harm until you write your changes | 13:07 |
| * ggabriel just saying... and remembers the time when he broke his first pc xt with it :P | 13:08 | |
| Kabouik | I know ggabriel, that's I ask if there is somebody who knows how to use fdisk on Jolla to format the sdcard in the proper format who could help (I know there are people who know how to do it, not sure they have time to help however) | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: sd cards normally come preformatted, or at least pre partitioned | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | so you shouldn't need fdisk to format it | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | fdisk=partition | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | mkfs=format | 13:09 |
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| Kabouik | Yeah but the preformated for 64 GB is not supported by Sailfish/Jolla | 13:09 |
| Kabouik | Ext4 works though | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | you need help of somebody with a device i'm afraid | 13:09 |
| Kabouik | There are a lot in here | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | i don't know where the sd card is | 13:09 |
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| Kabouik | I asked on TMO too, but no help so far | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | you may want to try mkfs before fdisk, just be careful ;-) | 13:10 |
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| pigletto | Kabouik: fdisk -l will show you the names | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | I could do it if I could read the SD card on my computer and format it here, but no card reader | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | Tried that pigletto, it returned nothing | 13:10 |
| pigletto | Kabouik: you need sudo first | 13:10 |
| Kabouik | Do I have to be root? | 13:11 |
| Kabouik | Ok | 13:11 |
| pigletto | yup | 13:11 |
| Tofe | Kabouik: are you sure it is a software issue ? If the sdcard reader only supports up to 32Gb, it may well be a hardware issue then | 13:11 |
| Kabouik | I don't know Tofe, honestly I don't have 32 GB cards, max I had was 16 | 13:12 |
| pigletto | Kabouik: my microSD can be found in /run/user/100000/media | 13:12 |
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| Kabouik | /dev/mmcblk1p1 -> 63.4 GB, System: HPFS/NTFS/exFAT | 13:12 |
| Tofe | pigletto: that's the mount point, but do you have the device ? | 13:12 |
| Kabouik | Must be that | 13:12 |
| pigletto | Tofe: yes | 13:13 |
| Kabouik | I have the mount point but no device in here pigletto | 13:13 |
| Tofe | ah ok, it's same naming scheme as on N900, good ! | 13:13 |
| Kiranos | The 64GB micro SDXC cards work fine in the Jolla when formatted as standard FAT (i.e. FAT32). T | 13:13 |
| Kiranos | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1398160&postcount=1953 | 13:13 |
| Kabouik | Yes Kiranos, that's why I want to format it in something non-exFAT | 13:13 |
| Kabouik | Ext4 or Fat32 | 13:13 |
| Kabouik | But can only use my Jolla to do so because no card reader working | 13:13 |
| Tofe | ok, then you only need mkfs.vfat or mkfs.ext4 | 13:14 |
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| Tofe | ah, well, no, you need to change the partition type maybe | 13:14 |
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| zbenjamin | anyone has Whatsapp running on his Jolla? | 13:14 |
| Bysmyyr | yep | 13:14 |
| Quu | yes, "running" | 13:15 |
| Tofe | Kabouik: you need to start fdisk with "fdisk /dev/mmcblk1", as root. Then, ask fdisk for help (m) | 13:15 |
| Tofe | "l" (low L) will list the partition table | 13:16 |
| zbenjamin | Quu: Bysmyyr: where did you get it from and how good does it work? | 13:16 |
| Tofe | ah, no, the list of partition types, sorry. "p" is for the partition table. | 13:17 |
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| Quu | zbenjamin: google play, kinda doesnt even work at all. | 13:17 |
| zbenjamin | meeeh, thats really the only android app i NEED! | 13:17 |
| Tofe | Kabouik: but, really, it would be best if you first try it on some virtual device | 13:17 |
| zbenjamin | no calendar, no whatsapp.... i want to use my new phone :( | 13:18 |
| zbenjamin | Quu: wasn't there a opensource alternative that runs on the N9? | 13:18 |
| zbenjamin | what about that one? | 13:18 |
| Bysmyyr | zbenjamin: from their website. Works but sounds are almost silet | 13:18 |
| Bysmyyr | it it coming | 13:18 |
| Quu | zbenjamin: havent tried, people says its bit too buggy | 13:18 |
| zbenjamin | http://openwhatsapp.org/ | 13:19 |
| zbenjamin | hmm | 13:19 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: ok at least i get the messages | 13:19 |
| Quu | Bysmyyr: does that work like native app or more like shitty android app? | 13:19 |
| Bysmyyr | between those ;) | 13:20 |
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| Bysmyyr | not good as native but working. | 13:20 |
| zbenjamin | Bysmyyr: you downloaded the android version right? | 13:20 |
| Quu | good enough | 13:20 |
| Bysmyyr | some problems maybe in importing contacts | 13:20 |
| zbenjamin | or openwhatsapp | 13:20 |
| Bysmyyr | zbenjamin: android yes | 13:21 |
| zbenjamin | will the N9 version run on sailfish? | 13:22 |
| zbenjamin | is there any Jolla <> N9 compatibility? I guess not, linked to wrong libraries should block that | 13:24 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, I think coderus has ported Persecute to sailfish already, but he doesn't have a phone so he hasn't published/tested it | 13:25 |
| faenil | you can try asking | 13:25 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: persecute? | 13:26 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, look for it, harmattan whatsapp client, I think it was born after the split in openwhatsapp, somthing like that | 13:26 |
| minimec | zbenjamin: faenil is right. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/persecute-sailfish | 13:26 |
| zbenjamin | https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/persecute-sailfish | 13:26 |
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| zbenjamin | minimec: did you try it? | 13:27 |
| minimec | zbenjamin: My jolla phone is 'in picking' for a week now, because I living in a non EU country... :( | 13:28 |
| zbenjamin | eww :( | 13:28 |
| zbenjamin | why the split from openwhatsapp? | 13:28 |
| minimec | zbenjamin: The famous N9 wazzapp app has not been ported to sailfish OS 'imho' due to python incompatibilities. | 13:29 |
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| zbenjamin | minimec: lol whut | 13:29 |
| faenil | minimec, I think persecute also uses python | 13:29 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, python not official allowed in Harbour, *yet* | 13:30 |
| faenil | so if you want it, you have to package it with your app | 13:30 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: ah i see | 13:30 |
| Raim | zbenjamin: we already had three WhatsApp clients for N9: Wazapp, WhatsUp, Persecute | 13:30 |
| faenil | nothing worrying | 13:30 |
| zbenjamin | Raim: non complete i guess | 13:30 |
| zbenjamin | i hope there will be a native official WhatsApp client | 13:30 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, from what I heard those unofficial ones had even more features | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: yeah maybe but they can break every other day | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | i wonder why mail is not the common messaging way these days. You can have conversation views too, and its supported everywhere | 13:32 |
| minimec | faenil: Looks like Persecute is 'pure QT/QML' according this thread http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?p=1382059 | 13:33 |
| * ShadowJK lols at digitoday's "jolla battery sucks" | 13:34 | |
| Quu | ShadowJK: most accurate battery test to this date. | 13:34 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: is there a api to create own account types? | 13:34 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, don't think so atm, but I could be wrong | 13:34 |
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| ShadowJK | I can make a battery meter that shows 100% for an hour of voice call | 13:35 |
| ShadowJK | I win \o/ | 13:35 |
| ShadowJK | or the phone with my meter would win their "test" :) | 13:36 |
| Quu | do it | 13:36 |
| zbenjamin | huh, a new system image? | 13:36 |
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| zbenjamin | what does the new update change? | 13:37 |
| Raim | the Maps app measures distance in yards, probably because I selected "English (UK)" as language. Is there any way to switch to the metric system without changing language? | 13:37 |
| Kabouik | Sorry, back, had to leave temporarily | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | Raim: maybe this will help, may require terminal and whatnot: http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 13:38 |
| dist_ | Has anyone found a way to interface with the NFC reader? (as in get any communication going with it) | 13:38 |
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| Kabouik | So basically Tofe, the command line would be "mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1"? With special caution I don't mistype "mmcblk1p1", but at least, at 63.4 GB, I am sure it's the card | 13:40 |
| Kabouik | I just tried Nokia BH-505 with the Jolla dist_, no NFC detection. Seems consistent with the fact that the Jolla's NFC antenna is only for smart OH, but not powerful enough for other NFC devices | 13:43 |
| Kabouik | Unless a special OH is made with a bigger antenna I guess | 13:43 |
| dist_ | Kabouik: How did you test? | 13:43 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: do you know if there is a changelog for the currently delivered update? | 13:43 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, 1.0.1.10? | 13:44 |
| zbenjamin | erm ;) | 13:44 |
| zbenjamin | wait its installing atm | 13:44 |
| Kabouik | Just turned the BH-505 on, and touched the Jolla OH on every location possible (assuming NFC is on since the Jolla has recognized the OH for installing the ambience) | 13:44 |
| Kabouik | Should try wiithout the cover | 13:44 |
| dist_ | I managed to read NFC tag that's on the cover, mifare ultralight. | 13:44 |
| Kabouik | But I guess with BH-505, I'd have to connect to the NFC on Jolla itself, not the chip inside the OH | 13:45 |
| dist_ | Yeah I think the reader might be active for just a moment when the OH is installed. (around the time when the little clip on the side pushes in the switch) | 13:45 |
| Kabouik | Ah | 13:45 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: 10.0.1.12 | 13:45 |
| dist_ | Dunno though. Haven't measured yet. Maybe this weekend I will. | 13:46 |
| Quu | zbenjamin: shop fixes | 13:46 |
| zbenjamin | Quu: i hoped for cal sync ;) | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | i think they said next year for new features | 13:46 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/001818.html | 13:47 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: ew | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | and bugfixes this year | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | maybe another update and everything | 13:47 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: imho calendar not syncing is a bugfix ;) | 13:47 |
| * zbenjamin hopes | 13:47 | |
| ggabriel | not sure what you mean, you can argue that lack of caldav is "calendar not sync'ing" | 13:48 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: exactly ;) | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | yeah, well, i had to fight those fights before and that is a feature request | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 13:48 |
| ggabriel | it isn't long until jan/2014 | 13:48 |
| Raim | ggabriel: thanks for the link, that looks good. I'll try that later. | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | Raim: let me know how it goes (i don't have a jolla) | 13:49 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: yeah we'll have to wait i know | 13:49 |
| * ggabriel wants metric system as well | 13:49 | |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: but a open accounts API would help, we could implement stuff ourselves. Like a owncloud account would be really cool | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: i can't agree more | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | so let's give them time, i reckon they are packing phones at the moment | 13:50 |
| zbenjamin | pfft i have mine ;) now i want APIs ;) | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: typical.... | 13:51 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, changelog, https://github.com/nemomobile/ssu/commit/205984f73a81d16f542ff7f12e7833f926044f50 | 13:51 |
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| zbenjamin | lots of free time on xmas ;) | 13:51 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: lol ;) | 13:51 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, that's it | 13:51 |
| faenil | hotfix for store stuff | 13:52 |
| Kabouik | Daln, Tofe isn't here anymore! | 13:52 |
| Kabouik | Damn | 13:52 |
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| nadriel | uh oh sometimes fingerterm crashes. to be specific url-grabber freezes when coming back from browser. | 13:52 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: does nemo have a account API? | 13:52 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, don't know | 13:53 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, there's something in the middleware for sure | 13:53 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: ehehe lol ;) shouldn't we know? ;) | 13:53 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, not if we don't work on that | 13:53 |
| faenil | :) | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: there's an accounts and sso middleware in mer, as an example | 13:53 |
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| v2px | ohai | 13:54 |
| v2px | I should be able to set ambiance by swiping from the right on my home screen, right? | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | v2px: if you have favourite ambiances, yes | 13:55 |
| ggabriel | (according to the guide) | 13:55 |
| Kabouik | Exactly v2px, you need to have set favorite ambiences first | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | Then it works | 13:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, yeah | 13:56 |
| v2px | oh, the guide. I should have a look at that | 13:56 |
| v2px | thanks | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | v2px: more than 2 favourites btw | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | or so somebody said | 13:56 |
| ggabriel | v2px: you mean you didn't read every single detail of it the minute it came out? :-) | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | I think there was an Abience menu in the lockscreen pulley menu at some point in the videos | 13:56 |
| Kabouik | Don't see it on my device though | 13:56 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: and in Sailfish? ;) | 13:57 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: lets say i want to implement a account that can sync my contacts and calendars to owncloud. Where do i start? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, accounts-SSO is reaaly not my area | 13:58 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: sso means? | 13:58 |
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| atlaz | Oh no. The newest apple-spoof is gonna do some serious damage among dumb users | 13:58 |
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| Quu | atlaz: the what | 13:58 |
| atlaz | Lets just hope, that we don't get those kind of "tutorials" for Jolla | 13:58 |
| atlaz | Quu: http://termite.apcdn.com/full/111629.png (SFW) | 13:59 |
| Quu | ah | 13:59 |
| Raim | nadriel: I've seen the same crash of FingerTerm when closing the URL grabber. never experienced it on N9 before, where I also used FingerTerm a lot, so something must have changed. | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: sso=single sign on | 13:59 |
| ggabriel | (I think) | 13:59 |
| zbenjamin | ggabriel: ah! | 13:59 |
| Frye | atlaz, :D | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: single sign on | 14:00 |
| Kabouik | Fingerterm crashed after several hours of "top" too | 14:00 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: who would be the right person to ask then? | 14:00 |
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| ggabriel | atlaz: lol | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | i tried it on my mac and i lost everything! | 14:01 |
| nadriel | Raim: not sure if alignment has something to do with it. vertical vs horizontal | 14:01 |
| zbenjamin | the SDK is still a Alpha? | 14:01 |
| ggabriel | zbenjamin: yes | 14:01 |
| nadriel | and changing it in the middle | 14:02 |
| Azog | i carried my new jolla around yesterday evening. it seems, that the contact to the sim card breaks from time to time. i had to re-enter the pin in this case. is this a hardware issue or could it be software? | 14:02 |
| zbenjamin | downloading it now | 14:02 |
| Raim | nadriel: hm, I recently switched to forced landscape mode, because it annoyed me :-) | 14:02 |
| yanoo | Does sharing photo to twitter works for anybody? Any attempts finishes with fail for me. | 14:03 |
| atlaz | Azog: i've been using mine now for a week, haven't had that problem | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | Azog: clean the contacts just in case | 14:03 |
| atlaz | Azog: are you using a factory made microsim or have you "made it yourself" from a normal sim? | 14:04 |
| nadriel | Raim: still freezes? | 14:04 |
| Azog | i cleaned the contacts with a cloth, still have problems | 14:04 |
| Azog | atlaz: it is factory made | 14:04 |
| Raim | nadriel: can't remember whether it was before or after I changed the setting... | 14:04 |
| atlaz | Allright. Have you used the sim in another phone? I mean, it's more easy to test the SIM-card than the phone :) | 14:05 |
| nadriel | well i'll try it out meself | 14:05 |
| pp_ | mine didn't like a home-cut sim that worked in my n9 | 14:06 |
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| Azog | atlaz: i had the sim card in my n900 for ~2 years | 14:06 |
| pp_ | worked only if I aligned it perfectly, and stopped working with a TOH | 14:07 |
| pp_ | got a new one and no problems | 14:07 |
| joecool | is it possible to setup sip on this? | 14:07 |
| Azog | is there a logfile to check, when this disconnects occur? | 14:07 |
| atlaz | Azog: Allright. I'd maybe try with a new sim-card, if that doesn't work then i'd guess there's some kind of a hardware problem. You've updated your phone to Laadunjärvi, right? | 14:08 |
| Kabouik | So guys, if I happen to run "devel-su", "mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1" (/dev/mmcblk1p1 being 63.4 GB according to "fdisk -l"), do I rish dividing the Earth by zero end ending up with a bricked Jolla ? :o | 14:08 |
| Kabouik | Really need to use that damn SD card :o | 14:08 |
| Kabouik | risk* | 14:08 |
| jussi | Kabouik: just walk into any electronics store and "borrow" one of their devices that are on display. most have sdcard readers nowadays :P | 14:09 |
| Azog | atlaz: yes, i have "SailfishOS 1.0.1.10 (Laadunjärvi)" | 14:09 |
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| nadriel | i thought sd's were supported up to 32gb? | 14:09 |
| Kabouik | jussi But why would I do it if I can do it on the Jolla directly? :'( | 14:10 |
| jussi | Kabouik: risk free? | 14:10 |
| Kabouik | Mine is 64 GB nadriel, which is supported too, but not in the filestystem it came with | 14:10 |
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| Kabouik | jussi: just confirm me there's no risk in running these commands :P | 14:10 |
| nadriel | format it to ext4? | 14:10 |
| Kabouik | That's what I want to do nadriel, or FAT32 | 14:11 |
| Kabouik | Honestly I'm not an experienced user so I might miss the thing, but I fail to see what could go wrong if I mkfs.vfat on the /dev/mmcblk1p1, since it's reported as a 64GB device (and hence can only be the card) | 14:12 |
| Kabouik | Apart from mistyping the commande of course | 14:13 |
| joecool | go for it! | 14:13 |
| nadriel | heh, try it out. | 14:13 |
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| nadriel | since it's the sd if it fails errormessages will be present | 14:16 |
| laubblaeser | hey there, received my jolla phone today and was trying to do a phone call. sadly the microphone isnt working. anyone here who could help me? | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: what country are you in? | 14:16 |
| laubblaeser | @Stskeeps germany | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: hang on a couple of seconds | 14:18 |
| laubblaeser | thank you very much. | 14:19 |
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| Pnuu | how to recognize @twitter user in #irc | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: does handsfree work during the phone call? | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | #pnuu, lol ;-) | 14:21 |
| laubblaeser | yes, it does. tried it earlier when calling my home station. microphone worked then. | 14:21 |
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| laubblaeser | (not using twitter btw, just not used to irc as well ;-) ) | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: you need to contact jolla care@ and make it very clear those two things, that you'd like to return it for repair or replacement and that you're in germany | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | care@jolla.com | 14:24 |
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| laubblaeser | i've already filed a request at zendesk, hoping that they will see it there. but i will try and write an email to them at care@, thanks for the advice. just very disappointing to get a new phone with every working but the phone functionality... :-/ | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: agreed, slipups does happen | 14:26 |
| Azog | atlaz: i now cleaned the sim again, this time with a bit cleaning solvent. i noticed, that a small movement of the sim down already disconnects the sim | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | laubblaeser: i wrote to care@j.c once, and a ticket appeared in zendesk | 14:27 |
| atlaz | Azog: i'll try to nudge my sim, lets check | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | laubblaeser: could you mention the zendesk request number? | 14:27 |
| laubblaeser | sure thing: Request #4466 | 14:28 |
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| atlaz | Azog: i was pretty violent with my sim-card. Tried moving it forward and backward (as much as i can, because the plastic mat-thingy doesn't really provide much movement), to the sides etc. Didn't disconnect | 14:29 |
| atlaz | My card moves about 2-3mm up and down, not at all to the side | 14:29 |
| Kabouik | Sorry again, had to left again: improvized mini-meeting at work | 14:32 |
| atlaz | Azog: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6746803/WP_20131218_001.jpg picture of my sim-card | 14:32 |
| atlaz | Lumia 520 quality photo :) | 14:32 |
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| atlaz | My card is brand new, a week old | 14:33 |
| Kabouik | jussi joecool nadriel: But as you all tell me I should try on Linux first, or in a VM, or go to a electronics store and format from the computer... | 14:33 |
| Azog | atlaz: i think i should get a new one | 14:33 |
| Kabouik | Well, I'm gonna try it! | 14:33 |
| Azog | atlaz: thanks for the help | 14:33 |
| joecool | Kabouik: http://www.sysresccd.org this is a nice livecd if you're ok getting around linux | 14:34 |
| joecool | should do what you need | 14:34 |
| Kabouik | Yes joecool, I'm actually considering reinstalling again a dual boot Linux distro | 14:37 |
| joecool | Kabouik: you could do that, or you could just boot from livecd and run command without installing | 14:37 |
| joecool | both work | 14:37 |
| Kabouik | But for now I know the Jolla can reformat the SD so I'd like the simplest way to get the SD card working, Linux OS apart | 14:37 |
| Kabouik | Sure | 14:37 |
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| Kabouik | Except I have no card reader that accepts the SD, apart from the Jolla itself :p | 14:38 |
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| Frye | Kabouik, pm me and I'll try to help you through it. You are definitely on track | 14:42 |
| Kabouik | Thanks a lot Frye | 14:42 |
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| bjorn | How do I use the Limited Edition Other Half ringtone/sounds? | 14:44 |
| AJAX555 | sweet evil jesus | 14:44 |
| bjorn | I noticed a comment on the store indicating the path, but I find no way to navigate there. | 14:44 |
| AJAX555 | I am "in picking"! | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | AJAX555: country? | 14:44 |
| AJAX555 | finland | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: woohoo | 14:44 |
| AJAX555 | I wonder how long this "in picking" state lasts.. | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: time to refresh fedex | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | probably not long | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | oh, wait, not sure that works for .fi | 14:46 |
| atlaz | Nope | 14:46 |
| Wnt | bjorn: go to gallery -> ambiance, select the one with red vertical stripes | 14:46 |
| bjorn | Wnt: That changes the sounds? | 14:47 |
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| Wnt | or if you didn't yet install the ambiance from the store re-connect the other half to get the istallation dialog again | 14:47 |
| Wnt | bjorn: I think so | 14:47 |
| bjorn | Wnt: They sound the same to me. | 14:47 |
| atlaz | If you favorite the ambience, you can change the ambience sounds. I don't have a LE-version so i can't say | 14:48 |
| Wnt | it seems that the sounds of the "The First One" ambiance cannot be changed | 14:49 |
| bjorn | If I favourite it all I see it an additional "ringtone volume" sttings. | 14:49 |
| bjorn | setting* | 14:49 |
| bjorn | Also, then I have two of those red ambiences in the quick-ambience-selection menu. | 14:50 |
| bjorn | It seems I have one that I can't get rid of. | 14:50 |
| Raim | ggabriel: setting LC_MEASUREMENT=de_DE.utf8 worked, Maps is now using the metric system while the language is still English | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | Raim: awesome, thanks | 14:51 |
| Quu | Wnt: no, you cant edit that at all. | 14:54 |
| pigletto | bjorn: ringtones from the first one just work if you enable this ambiance | 14:59 |
| pigletto | bjorn: but you'll not see any difference in settings | 14:59 |
| pigletto | just wait for a call ;) | 14:59 |
| pigletto | or call yourself from another device | 15:00 |
| sledges | pigletto: do ringtones disappear when you change ambiance? (i don't like the wallpaper from the le other half ;)) | 15:01 |
| pigletto | sledges: I think yes, but you can do the following to have ringtones useable in system sound settings: | 15:02 |
| pigletto | sledges: start terminal | 15:02 |
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| pigletto | sledges: copy ringtones from /usr/share/ambiance/ambiance-the-first-one/sounds to /home/nemo/Music | 15:02 |
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| sledges | lol just scared and made to laugh half of the office when i called myself the first time to hear the oth ringtone :D | 15:03 |
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| sledges | pigletto: thanks, now i will think twice before doing your steps :D (text/sms ringtone should probably be nice though, didn't try) but i like jolla default music sounds very much | 15:08 |
| pigletto | sledges: hehe, I prefer default ones too | 15:09 |
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| v2px | can sailfish read ext3/4 or btrfs on a sd card? | 15:09 |
| kor | yes | 15:10 |
| ggabriel | v2px: it was reported that yes | 15:10 |
| v2px | nice | 15:10 |
| kor | i like how a "or"-question was answered with yes. | 15:10 |
| v2px | so I don't have to use some kind of fat that destroys all of my filenames | 15:10 |
| Wnt | whant is the recomended filesystem type for sd card? | 15:10 |
| kor | ext4 i'd say | 15:10 |
| ggabriel | v2px: apparently anything non fat doesn't auto mount | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | (or something) | 15:11 |
| v2px | oh okay | 15:11 |
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| Wnt | if btrfs works I guess it would be a good option as it has some internal support for SSD devices? | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | loads of reports in tmo | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: exactly | 15:11 |
| kor | yeah, there's that, but why would you be bothered about no automount | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: which basically means it wears the memory evenly | 15:11 |
| v2px | as long as the indexer checks it for media files I'm fine with mounting it manually | 15:11 |
| Wnt | but btrfs filesystems won't be automounted? | 15:12 |
| v2px | It does that, right? | 15:12 |
| Wnt | maybe a manually added fstab entry will automount it? :) | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | Wnt: when i get the device, i'll be trying that | 15:13 |
| Wnt | or modified hotplug script | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | sudo mount my sd card && sudo make me a sandwitch | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | erm... sandwich even | 15:14 |
| v2px | also sudo turn all android apps into native sailfish apps | 15:14 |
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| ggabriel | i'm afraid i can't let you do that dave | 15:14 |
| kor | sudo turn all android devices into sailfish devices | 15:15 |
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| v2px | I like to keep an alias please=sudo | 15:16 |
| v2px | so I can type please apt-get ... and things like that | 15:16 |
| dTA | heh | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | v2px: you are too kind a person | 15:16 |
| bjorn | pigletto: Oh, that would explain it, thanks! | 15:16 |
| v2px | I have a very intimate relationship with my computer | 15:17 |
| dTA | or make it "pls", save 1 keystroke | 15:17 |
| v2px | or "dude". | 15:18 |
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| v2px | The stoner version | 15:18 |
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| ggabriel | hahahaha | 15:18 |
| bjorn | So, I have a broken "First One" ambience in my ambience favourites that does not to do anything when I select it. How could I get rid of it? | 15:18 |
| bjorn | I'll try restarting. | 15:19 |
| dTA | with stoner version no need for alias for "man" either | 15:19 |
| v2px | dude man what | 15:19 |
| v2px | oh I like that | 15:20 |
| Pnuu | why use dude with man anyways?-D | 15:20 |
| Quu | dude man pls | 15:20 |
| v2px | for teh lulz | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | alias cmon=sudo | 15:20 |
| bjorn | Restarting got rid of it. :) | 15:21 |
| v2px | yeah or alias cd=eject on a friends computer | 15:21 |
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| Quu | lol | 15:22 |
| * bjorn now finally understands "where" the progress indicator when installing Other Half ambience appears and why it can sometimes never finish (cause it's getting it from the store it is affected by network problems). | 15:23 | |
| AJAX555 | how long is the "in picking" part? 2 days? | 15:24 |
| Quu | yes. | 15:24 |
| AJAX555 | mm.. | 15:24 |
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| pdanek | So I don't think Jolla will match the promise of 3-4 weeks delivery since order. :) | 15:26 |
| Quu | AJAX555: 4 days for me | 15:26 |
| pdanek | At least for me. | 15:26 |
| AJAX555 | oh snap | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | sometimes it never progresses | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | and the phone gets to your hands | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | there's at least 1 person in .fi that it never progressed from paid :) | 15:26 |
| v2px | yeah I only knew that is was shipping because I looked my order up on the fedex tracking system | 15:27 |
| v2px | the moment I got it I got a mail with my tracking number | 15:27 |
| v2px | so.. another question. can the media player play flac? | 15:28 |
| tobiski | AJAX555: my "in picking" lasted 12 hours | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | v2px: somebody said yes to that as well | 15:28 |
| pdanek | I'm not even looking on Jolla statuses... no point. | 15:29 |
| AJAX555 | tobiski: I hope it lasts only 12 hours for me too | 15:29 |
| pdanek | Just check Fedex directly.... nothing in Fedex system for me yet. | 15:29 |
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| Frye | btrfs: unrecognized mount option 'uid=100000' | 15:31 |
| Frye | when I insert sd card | 15:31 |
| Frye | Same with inserting ext4 formatted card | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | Frye: makes sense | 15:32 |
| Frye | Any ideas | 15:32 |
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| ggabriel | btrfs/ext4 have their own uid's per file :P | 15:32 |
| Frye | Ok, that seems to prevent the sd card from automatically mounting though | 15:32 |
| Frye | manual mount works fine | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | but you can mount manually | 15:33 |
| Frye | Ok, so no workaround for that? | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | what's in /etc/fstab? do you see the uid there? | 15:33 |
| Frye | No it's not there | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | then i dunno | 15:34 |
| bjorn | I'm unable to access my Jolla files from my PC on Xubuntu. Anybody else had problems here? | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | i'd try adding it there | 15:34 |
| Frye | ok | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | (if you check the n9, there is a uid option for MyDocs, and MyDocs is FAT) | 15:34 |
| nadriel | isn't that more like mtabs thing? | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | nadriel: not sure about mtabs, /etc/mtab is the current mounted volumes iirc, so i don't touch that | 15:36 |
| nadriel | oh | 15:36 |
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| ggabriel | but don't take my word for it... i have a fair knowledge of linux, but meego/mer/sailfish differ ever so slightly ;-) | 15:36 |
| pigletto | bjorn: I've not tried it yet but some people asked about this here, AFAIR you'll have to install MTP package on your ubuntu | 15:37 |
| nadriel | google is friend | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | nadriel: not mine ;-) | 15:37 |
| bjorn | pigletto: Hrm, never had much luck with MTP... | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | they tried to sell me "JSP" one day instead of giving me information and i ceased | 15:37 |
| v2px | google just recently bought a company that builds military robots | 15:38 |
| nadriel | but shouldn't differ too much, been a long time i've prodded anything with a stick. everything just works (tm) | 15:38 |
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| pigletto | bjorn: but you can ssh/scp via wifi also | 15:40 |
| Frye | with fat FS the card is automatically mounted | 15:40 |
| Raim | Frye: udev launches /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh to mount the SD card | 15:40 |
| bjorn | pigletto: Only if I enable developer mode, which might void my warranty it says. :P | 15:40 |
| bjorn | pigletto: Though, I guess I need developer mode anyway when I want to develop apps for it, which I certain will... | 15:41 |
| Turski | yuck, why would anyone format anything to FAT :| | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | Raim: cool, well spotted | 15:41 |
| Frye | Turski, because it seems to work =) | 15:41 |
| pigletto | bjorn: no fun without developer mode | 15:41 |
| Frye | I'm just playing around with the sd | 15:41 |
| bjorn | pigletto: Ok, enabling the fun! | 15:41 |
| Frye | ext4 and btrfs formatted in device do not work | 15:41 |
| Raim | Frye: you could edit that script and remove the uid=,gid= options for mount | 15:41 |
| Frye | (automatically) | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | Raim: i'd create a new script ;-) | 15:42 |
| Frye | Raim, Ok I'll try that | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | you know, rpm checksums and all that | 15:42 |
| Raim | or extend it to do different things by fstype | 15:42 |
| Turski | and there's also mount-sd-on-startup.service or something like that for systemd | 15:42 |
| Frye | But not now. | 15:42 |
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| ggabriel | so /etc/fstab doesn't work? | 15:42 |
| Frye | Need to go for today | 15:42 |
| Turski | which iirc also calls /usr/bin/mount-sd.sh | 15:42 |
| Turski | ggabriel: what's in fstab? | 15:43 |
| Turski | ggabriel: for sd card | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | apparently nothing, Turski | 15:43 |
| Frye | nothing | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | so i'd add a line there | 15:43 |
| Raim | ggabriel: hm, but there's no thing like aegis on N9 that would lock down your device, is there? | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | and maybe just stop that service | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | i have no clue, haven't got a device | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | just saying what i would do | 15:43 |
| Turski | ggabriel: thet would help with automount | 15:43 |
| Turski | ggabriel: fstab is only read on boot | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | Turski: you're correct | 15:44 |
| Raim | I don't think that fstab would work. the udev rule matches mmcblk1* | 15:44 |
| Turski | yes, there's already stuff to make mount work | 15:44 |
| Frye | yeah I think working with the udev is the best approach | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | agree | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | but i'd make a new script | 15:44 |
| Frye | I try to take a look at it later today | 15:44 |
| Turski | ggabriel: why? | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | because if the current script is part of an rpm and is checksummed | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | you may have issues upgrading | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | i'd also check that the file in /etc/udev (or similar) isn't part of a package | 15:45 |
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| Turski | https://github.com/nemomobile/sd-utils/blob/master/scripts/mount-sd.sh | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | Turski: that doesn't necessarily mean that is controlled :D | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | i'll need to review jolla's packaging systme | 15:46 |
| Turski | ggabriel: ? | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | well, as a rule i don't touch files that "belong" to a package | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | in gentoo, "equery b path/to/file" tells you that | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | then it's easy: you copy it and change it and do whatever | 15:47 |
| Turski | well, sure | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | there must be an equivalent in sailfish | 15:47 |
| v2px | .oO( or qfile ) | 15:47 |
| Turski | sure if you want to edit udev a udev rule that's provided by a package, you should copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d and edit there | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | yeap | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | so i have yet another plan for when i get my jolla ;-) | 15:48 |
| Turski | rules in /etc/udev/rules.d override rules in /usr/lib/udev/rules.d | 15:48 |
| Frye | mount $SDCARD $MNT -o uid=$DEF_UID,gid=$DEF_GID | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | to have it simple, i'd make a rule by label or uuid | 15:49 |
| Frye | That's the bit that needs some more ifs around it =) | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | so that i can stick any fat formatted sd in my jolla | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | at the end of the day, an ext4/btrfs formatted sd doesn't work on _every_ computer | 15:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | A SDXC card that is not formatted to EXfat is not an SDXC card - by definition. | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is regrettably retarded - but true. | 15:53 |
| dunp | can it be named to some other? | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | If you don't do exfat - you're not even allowed to put SDXC on the compatibility list. | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: ? i think that's unrelated | 15:54 |
| dunp | SDex | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: sdxc has to do with speed iirc | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I was commenting on the 'not on every computer' | 15:54 |
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| ggabriel | i didn't mean like htat | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | The hardware is broadly the same as SD, yes. | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | no, you missed the point | 15:54 |
| * SpeedEvil is annoyed at the whole stupid situation. | 15:55 | |
| cvp | Re | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I should read backscroll more carefgully. | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | the point is that if you have a fat formatted card, you can pop it anywhere and it "works" | 15:55 |
| FiSHBoY | SDXC as a standard requires exFAT in order to be called SDXC is what he means | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | if you format btrfs or whatever, you plan to use it in computers that you know it works | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | namely computers that you somehow control | 15:55 |
| Turski | ggabriel: i would check the filesystem type and have different options for different filesystems | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | i think you are saying something else (which i agree with) | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | Turski: fair enough | 15:56 |
| * ggabriel wonders how do you check the file system | 15:56 | |
| ggabriel | FiSHBoY: i see, it's retarded | 15:57 |
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| FiSHBoY | yes | 15:57 |
| FiSHBoY | it is nonsense | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | but it's free, so everybody's happy | 15:57 |
| dunp | f2fs? | 15:59 |
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| Turski | ggabriel: blkid | 16:00 |
| Turski | output will be something like '/dev/sda1: LABEL="root" UUID="daa588b6-efc2-47fe-8a33-6aa6b4ad6a03" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="006c20d8-01"' | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | Turski: yeah, thanks | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | Turski: hehe, it says that a luks partition is vfat | 16:02 |
| Turski | tarmo@kannettava:~$ sudo blkid -s TYPE -o value /dev/sda1 | 16:03 |
| Turski | ext4 | 16:03 |
| Turski | yeah | 16:03 |
| Turski | ggabriel: O_o | 16:03 |
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| stephg | hey guys, missed the beginning of this convo but am curious about the microsd:- is there a format that would be automounted or do I need to do that myself | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | stephg: I have a fat32 partition on my microsd (4g size) that gets automounted by the jolla | 16:07 |
| Raim | stephg: FAT32/vfat is mounted automatically | 16:07 |
| stephg | oh yes | 16:08 |
| stephg | ok ignore me, I'm stupid :) | 16:08 |
| merlin1991 | the rumors about btrfs are wrong since the aoutomount tries to mount with uid and gid of the nemo user but mount.btrfs doesn't understand that, at least that is what I found in dmesg / journalctl | 16:08 |
| Raim | stephg: with a different filesystem (btrfs above) the automounter fails as it passes arguments not supported by the btrfs filesystem module | 16:08 |
| stephg | right | 16:09 |
| Turski | and ofcourse that is hackable | 16:09 |
| pdanek | Does Jolla have to pay Microsoft for any FAT32 licensing? | 16:09 |
| merlin1991 | Turski: you could iie place a wrapper around mount that strips the arguments based on blkid output | 16:09 |
| Turski | pdanek: if they paid, they would pay for exFAT i think... | 16:10 |
| nander | How long does it typically take from in picking to the next stage? | 16:10 |
| Turski | merlin1991: nah, just modify the mount-sd.sh | 16:10 |
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| Raim | the safest way to fix it without modifying existing files would probably be to place a new rule into something like 89-mount-sd.rules with OPTIONS+="last_rule" and reference a modified script from a different location | 16:13 |
| pp_ | pdanek: it's a murky field :-) | 16:16 |
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| laubblaeser | anyone else here already received his phone? | 16:20 |
| metallisto | yea | 16:20 |
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| laubblaeser | is your microphone working at calls? | 16:21 |
| flux | works for me(TM) | 16:21 |
| ggabriel | laubblaeser: i'm sorry to tell you that a few folks in tmo report that the microphone works really well for calls | 16:21 |
| Frye | Have not tried tbh | 16:21 |
| ssirkia | I got mine this morning. | 16:21 |
| metallisto | laubblaeser: yes | 16:21 |
| Pnuu | yep, works | 16:22 |
| sremes | i've had a few calls with my phone, and nobody has complained about microphone quality | 16:22 |
| flux | worked also for taking video | 16:22 |
| ssirkia | I haven't called anyone yet :-) | 16:22 |
| laubblaeser | meh, alright, so its just my phone again. have to send it back for a repair then, i guess. support couldn't help me either. | 16:22 |
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| flux | there the quality sort of sucked, but I suppose that's to be expected | 16:23 |
| ssirkia | laubblaeser: have you tried with headset? | 16:23 |
| metallisto | i got a lot of advices that my sound quality is much better than with my n900 | 16:24 |
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| ssirkia | btw: it was very hard to get the sim out :-) | 16:24 |
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| flux | ssirkia, indeed, as mine was self-cut | 16:25 |
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| flux | after some filing it worked out fine | 16:25 |
| flux | in fact, it didn't work at all without filing | 16:25 |
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| ssirkia | flux: same here (filing), although I don't think the original micto sims are significantly different - haven't seen one. | 16:26 |
| flux | well, I imagine their edges are smoother | 16:27 |
| nadriel | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/12/17/2346222/swedish-man-fined-650000-for-sharing-1-movie-charged-extra-for-low-quality | 16:27 |
| flux | as smooth as the original sim card's edges | 16:27 |
| v2px | where should I mount the sd? | 16:27 |
| cvp | jo v2px alles klar ? | 16:28 |
| v2px | ahoi :) | 16:28 |
| cvp | fileman installiert ? | 16:28 |
| v2px | jo | 16:28 |
| tobiski | battery usage check: 12 hours with 3G data connection on, remaining: 45% | 16:28 |
| nander | reasonable | 16:28 |
| cvp | run/user/100000/media/sdcard/ | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: interesting article re battery life: http://wpsailors.com/2013/12/18/jollas-battery-life-not-all-that-great-result-of-a-last-minute-soc-change/ | 16:29 |
| atlaz | tobiski: 12 hours with 3g data, four phone calls and random chatting on facebook and browsing imgur while on the shitter. Remaining 63% | 16:30 |
| atlaz | I disabled auto brightness and went for low brightness (which is way more than it should) | 16:30 |
| atlaz | *which is still more* | 16:30 |
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| tobiski | atlaz: basically the same but with 45% and I haven't touch the screen brightness | 16:30 |
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| nander | It gets through the day.. So that's decent | 16:31 |
| v2px | cvp: I can't find my music in the media app if I mount it there | 16:31 |
| tobiski | yup, that's good enough for me, nights are meant for charging the battery | 16:31 |
| atlaz | tobiski: Yeah, try lowering it to minimum, i think thats still way too bright | 16:31 |
| Pnuu | atlaz: during 8 hours of inactivity (night) I've lost ~ 20 % | 16:31 |
| atlaz | Hopefully they can sort out the battery life still. I'd like to get 2 days worth of usage atleast | 16:32 |
| atlaz | I'm out on 2 day bootcamps MUCH every year | 16:32 |
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| v2px | any way to re-scan the sd for media? | 16:32 |
| Pnuu | I asked about it, and there are several adjustments coming | 16:32 |
| atlaz | and you can't get your phone charged in the woods :P | 16:32 |
| tobiski | atlaz: that's little too dimm for my tase, 1/4 seems ok | 16:32 |
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| cvp | aha, ok ... noch nicht getestet, abr stimmt bei mir auch nicht angezeigt, vielleicht muss man den Ordner richtig benennen, wobei bilder auch gefunden werden ohne etwas zu machen | 16:32 |
| atlaz | tobiski: i wonder if my brightness adjustment is broken. I mean on minimum its more bright than my Galaxy S2 was on 3/4 | 16:33 |
| sledges | Englisch bitte, oder im Privat. Viel Dank | 16:33 |
| sremes | I was surprised that the battery had emptied over night, when in the evening it had around 30% or something, which would have been ok for my previous phones to get to the next day | 16:33 |
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| sremes | I used to have my previous phone often close to bed without charging it over night | 16:34 |
| tobiski | ggabriel: some article said that in that test lumia didn't even have sim-card in place | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | tobiski: i guess the point is that jolla is working on battery life | 16:34 |
| ggabriel | nevertheless, it actually works ok | 16:34 |
| tobiski | ye, works good enough for me atm and if/when it improves it's only bonus in my opinion | 16:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | The most important question is - are there hardware bugs that will prevent lower power states that can't be tested at the moment due to the software not supporting the lower power states. | 16:36 |
| Turski | yesterday i had a bug with receiving a call... i couldn't answer it because UI didn't respond to my touch | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | This may mean that it's not possible to get much better. | 16:36 |
| Turski | i tried locking the screen and opening in again but no... | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | If there are no hardware bugs - then powersaving can improve. | 16:36 |
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| Turski | then i swiped the caller away and opened it again from multitasking wiev and then i was able to open the pulley menu | 16:36 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: that's a lengthy topic i think | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ggabriel: quite. | 16:37 |
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| cvp | http://www.sailfishmods.de - but work in progess | 16:37 |
| ggabriel | Turski: if reproducible, i'd report ;-) | 16:37 |
| cvp | :oP | 16:37 |
| v2px | cvp: gebookmarkt. aber ich muss mal los | 16:37 |
| v2px | dem jolla mal berlin zeige | 16:38 |
| cvp | jup hauste ;) | 16:38 |
| v2px | o7 | 16:38 |
| cvp | o7 ? :D | 16:38 |
| Turski | ggabriel: i need to try that... | 16:38 |
| v2px | salute | 16:38 |
| Dotti | Turski: i have had same many times | 16:38 |
| v2px | c-base grusz | 16:38 |
| cvp | ;) | 16:38 |
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| Turski | also it's frustrating that screen doesn't turn on after taking the phone off from ear | 16:39 |
| ssirkia | SpeedEvil: they have probably been able to verify the hardware (power states) with android, even if sailfish wasn't as optimized. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Good point. | 16:39 |
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| sremes | since many people are trying to get other phones to run sailfish, do you think a jolla could run android then? :) | 16:40 |
| v2px | yes | 16:40 |
| v2px | but why bother | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | reminds me of nitdroid on the n9 | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | "yeah, works, but why downgrade?" | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | then it got forgotten | 16:41 |
| sremes | yep, just curious :) | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7xVrI-tUIQ - what the hell. | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia Lumia 2520: For Work. For Play. | 16:41 |
| pdanek | for work? | 16:42 |
| pdanek | :D | 16:42 |
| cvp | lol really wtf | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: lol, i liked it | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I am unsure what demographic that is aimed at. | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | zombies | 16:43 |
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| ggabriel | cheaper than a surface | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | maybe lower spec'ed to | 16:44 |
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| nander | That nokia is aimed at retards | 16:48 |
| nander | Arguing from the ad | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | i wouldn't be so harsh ;-) | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | i'd happily swap my work ithing for a nokia or a bb [with lte/4g | 16:48 |
| nander | I thought I was quite reasonable.. | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | reasonable != harsh | 16:48 |
| nander | The ad seems to be aimed at retards | 16:48 |
| nander | The phone may not be | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | it's a tablet | 16:49 |
| nander | I don't dislike lumia's | 16:49 |
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| nander | I don't dislike WP | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | i think it's a common xmas british ad tbh | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | not that i watch a lot of tv | 16:49 |
| nander | It's just I know in my heart meego was better ;) | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | mind you, i wouldn't pay for it | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | i'd play with it | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | but i liked the ad | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | a bit better than the ipad one that claimed that "you already know how to use it" | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | at least this one i watched until the end :P | 16:50 |
| nander | Damm.. Give the asymptotical order of log (n^2), compared to sqrt(n) | 16:51 |
| nander | log(n^2) = 2*log(n), right? | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | nander: iirc, yeah | 16:52 |
| rauz | no fucking way my phone was since yesterday at my neighboors he forgot to bring it by, but it is here yess :) | 16:54 |
| mord | generally log(x^n) = n * log(x), so yes | 16:54 |
| ggabriel | rauz: woohoo | 16:55 |
| ggabriel | rauz: so they left no slip?! | 16:55 |
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| nander | What was the character used for mass multiplication? | 16:56 |
| rauz | sry i don't know what slip means ? | 16:56 |
| nander | (like the sigma is for summation) | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | you know, when they leave something with your neighbour they often put a paper through your letter box saying "you have something with your neighbour" | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | rauz: :) | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | nander: ! ? | 16:56 |
| Pnuu | nander: capital pi | 16:56 |
| mord | capital pi | 16:56 |
| nander | Thanks | 16:56 |
| mord | ah, slow | 16:56 |
| nander | That was it ;) | 16:56 |
| ggabriel | oh, you mean that | 16:56 |
| Pnuu | \o/ | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | :P | 16:57 |
| rauz | ggabriel: ah nope found nothing like that | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | "mass multiplication" was factorial (or however in english) for me | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | rauz: you have a good neighbour | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | rauz: were you in paid or shipping? | 16:57 |
| ggabriel | (or picking) | 16:58 |
| rauz | ggabriel: ordernr 200001654 | 16:58 |
| rauz | status still in picking :) | 16:58 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | you'll get a tracking number soon ;-) | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | go play with your phone now | 16:59 |
| rauz | but only box with the phone no toh :( | 16:59 |
| ggabriel | ok, send it to me and wait for your complete bundle | 17:00 |
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| ggabriel | no problem ;-) | 17:00 |
| nander | not even the white one? | 17:00 |
| rauz | the standard white one ofc but the poppy red le is not in the box | 17:01 |
| mord | bah. can't get a sd to automount. latest attempts are with a 16gb card with a single vfat, ext2, ext3, ext4, btrfs partition; no luck | 17:01 |
| Frye | Hmm, vfat should work. However rest need a change in the mount script | 17:04 |
| mord | hmm. trying that again then | 17:04 |
| Frye | http://forum.jollausers.com/jolla-phone/jolla-sd-card/15/ | 17:05 |
| Frye | There is info how to change the script if you want to use some other filesystem | 17:05 |
| Frye | ( I have not tested that myself yet ) | 17:05 |
| mord | thanks | 17:05 |
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| mord | Frye: works, thanks again | 17:15 |
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| chem|st | so some other issues or observations: you cannot setup facebook if both internet connections are activated and it starts to ask which to use... | 17:18 |
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| chem|st | on home screen using email panel gesture for update showed something reloading in settings panel, happened only once though | 17:19 |
| chem|st | and lockscreen should show the time of a running timer somewhere... | 17:20 |
| rauz | ok, i love it i love this smartphone !! | 17:20 |
| Tofe | ~/quit | 17:21 |
| Tofe | oops | 17:21 |
| chem|st | cybette: would you mind to use a logging bot of some kind to highlight bugreports and stuff? | 17:21 |
| chem|st | rauz: wait till you find out it is no phone.... | 17:21 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: ssshhh, don't spoil the honeymoon period | 17:22 |
| rauz | :D | 17:22 |
| ggabriel | also, i heard it was an excellent phone | 17:22 |
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| ggabriel | (which isn't hard in comparison to what's out there anyway) | 17:22 |
| till | anybode here who can tell me how to import a *.ics file into the sailfish calendar? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: there's one | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/ | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | but not nice formatted yet | 17:23 |
| Tofe | oh, good | 17:23 |
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| ggabriel | oh, no, the nsa will read all that!!! | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | wtf does that sync to disc on every line? | 17:23 |
| * ggabriel quickly looks for his emergency cash and passports | 17:24 | |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Official sites: http://www.jolla.com , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, mail care@jolla.com , business inquiries at info@jolla.com , press at press@jolla.com; | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jol" | 17:24 | |
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| Stskeeps | .... | 17:24 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Official sites: http://www.jolla.com , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, mail care@jolla.com , business inquiries at info@jolla.com , press at press@jolla.com; | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://bit.ly/JIcRDm" | 17:24 | |
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| Morpog_PC | aaah, finally setup SSH on my Jolla :D | 17:26 |
| anonfriese_ | humm, Stskeeps: remember we talked about some web-interface for jolla to transfer files, read messages etc.? i know you wanted to wait with that, but i started work today on something closely related: ever thought about MDM-solutions for jolla? Basically a webserver (on-premise or on-cloud) where the jolla cann pull commands from/to or interact thorugh sms-gateway etc. for e.g. remote lock, app installation etc. | 17:26 |
| anonfriese_ | Morpog_PC: first thing i did with mine ;) | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | anonfriese_: sounds good | 17:27 |
| anonfriese_ | would be my first app for sailfish, so kinda new land for me ;) could i build a rpm-package and put there my systemd-unitfiles, binarys, qml-stuff etc. and then just upload that to jolla harbour? | 17:28 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: I mean a bug logger where you need cmd for and such | 17:30 |
| chem|st | or meeting bot | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | anonfriese_: we're sadly a bit more restrictive currently, because if a package screws up upgrades or the system, it's a potential full grade care case with system flashing | 17:31 |
| anonfriese_ | okay | 17:31 |
| chem|st | anonfriese_: no flasher yet | 17:31 |
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| ggabriel | jolla has to come up with the flasher other half | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | anonfriese_: atm you can only do 1 binary + desktop file and data/lib in dedicated dir, nothing fancy like dbus services .... | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | there sadly won't be flashable images, there's bits that we cannot redistribute in such a fashion, but we're working on a very good recovery system | 17:32 |
| anonfriese_ | okay | 17:32 |
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| chem|st | cybette: can you shout upstream that the community would appreciate a public roadmap - especially to not double efforts | 17:32 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: and there goes the FOSS idea | 17:34 |
| Acce | Any idea when the i2c documentation will be released? I was just thinking about what to do with these FM receiver chips.. putting one in my THO might be nice | 17:34 |
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| merlin1991 | chem|st: not necessarily if they provide a recovery system, sources and a way to flash your own kernel it still is nice and foss | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | you just can't flash full public relase images then | 17:35 |
| chem|st | Acce: receiver? 200mW FMtx... | 17:35 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: depends on the recovery system | 17:36 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: as of now factory reset is no factory reset... | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | didn't try it, what does it not reset? Because I heared somewhere that it rolls back to a btrfs snapshot | 17:37 |
| chem|st | I was able to sync contacts from my N9 without even touching the Jolla | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: actually factory reset is pretty much a real factory reset, same step happens in factory :P | 17:38 |
| merlin1991 | did you check the pairing list if your n9 was still in there? | 17:38 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ok :) abd factory! | 17:38 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: well if not it should ask right? | 17:38 |
| chem|st | so the pairing survived a reset | 17:38 |
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| merlin1991 | heh it would be even more intresting if the pairing is not visible in the ui but it still works :D | 17:39 |
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| chem|st | did not check that, will do that next time | 17:39 |
| merlin1991 | I can try | 17:39 |
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| chem|st | ah what I had was that it poped in whe I was searching for my BTaudio - that I remember, list was empty at first | 17:41 |
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| merlin1991 | it would be cool if the recovery system has a roll back to sailfishos verison x option | 17:41 |
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| merlin1991 | or even better if you can declare some snapshots to roll back to | 17:42 |
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| merlin1991 | and then ofc the option to only restore filesytem / kernel | 17:42 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, seen your question from yesterday about where to put ringtones | 17:44 |
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| flux | where are the backup stored? apparently not on the sd card. | 17:44 |
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| flux | oh, it's the .vault, I looked at it but it looked like something else | 17:45 |
| Morpog_PC | I just coped the sounds from the first one ambiance to this folder (/usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo) and they show up now as ringtones, but don't show up in media player | 17:45 |
| Morpog_PC | copied | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: you're right | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | I've did a factory reset, went to settings bluetooth, started a search and suddenly my n9 showed up in the paired list | 17:46 |
| merlin1991 | -'ve | 17:46 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: merlin1991 I know about the stereo folder buth it is the same pain as with other systems...I paid for UNLIKE! | 17:47 |
| ggabriel | #define UNLIKE not_always_what_you_expect | 17:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | :D | 17:48 |
| chem|st | and will pay again!;) | 17:48 |
| chem|st | the device is to big btw...5mm | 17:49 |
| Morpog_PC | next mission: get browser to change orientation | 17:49 |
| chem|st | I am 190cm and even on my pants the device is too long and it does not fit my triangular carmount... why do I need to buy that with every phone even if I buy a generic one? | 17:50 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: you're 1.9m and you claim that it's too big, ok, i'm in trouble unless you have particularly small hands | 17:50 |
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| chem|st | not my hands... pants and generic carmounts.... | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: cybette's currently banging drums, btw | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:51 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: fair enough | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | in the literal sense | 17:51 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | btw: that .vault ... what does it store? rsync-like backup? or btrfs snapshot send/receive diff? | 17:51 |
| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: backup | 17:51 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_lizzy: git backup | 17:51 |
| chem|st | git | 17:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i know it was a git, but a git of what? | 17:51 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 17:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | all files? | 17:51 |
| chem|st | what you highlight | 17:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh, there's a UI for the backup? | 17:52 |
| chem|st | except online stuff | 17:52 |
| chem|st | settings -> system settings -> backup | 17:52 |
| * AL13N_lizzy has no jolla | 17:52 | |
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| chem|st | at least it seems like doing "everything" | 17:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | why do you say, except online stuff? | 17:53 |
| chem|st | I hope it is doing incremental git stuff... hav not checked yet | 17:53 |
| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: there is an item gallery - hitting pictures but not facebookpictures... | 17:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | does it store only documents and stuff? or also all the installed system components and the likes? | 17:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | chem|st: ah | 17:54 |
| chem|st | accounts|browser|gallery|playlists|messaging|people|phone | 17:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, not the os itself | 17:55 |
| chem|st | no, but I guess your jolla account will hold previously installed apps at some point | 17:56 |
| chem|st | android stores have that | 17:56 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | chem|st: ok, but definately not any custom stuff | 17:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, netsplit | 17:58 |
| Quu | split happens. | 17:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | alot of devs are splitting | 17:58 |
| chem|st | still on your side | 17:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Quu: yes, on some networks more than others :-) | 17:58 |
| chem|st | so I got to grab dinner now | 17:58 |
| chem|st | later! | 17:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i just ate | 17:58 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmm, interesting gconf keys to explore | 18:02 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: got your phone? | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC | sure, yesterday ;) | 18:05 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: did you install WhatsApp? | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, as no working alternative exists yet | 18:06 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: did you restore messages from your old phone? | 18:07 |
| zbenjamin | where do i have to put the WhatsApp folder | 18:07 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: congrats buddy! \o/ | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, nope I didn't, as I used wazapp before ;) | 18:12 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, thx | 18:12 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: ah :/ | 18:12 |
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| zbenjamin | btw if i enable the developer repositories, does that mean i get features that are not enabled yet? ;) | 18:13 |
| Morpog_PC | but I guess you would need to look for the alien dalvik folder | 18:13 |
| Quu | zbenjamin: that means you dont get updates as you fucked up your repo sources | 18:13 |
| Morpog_PC | nope, it just screws up ypur store access | 18:13 |
| zbenjamin | Quu: ok won't do it then ;) | 18:13 |
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| FiSHBoY | lol | 18:14 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: i guess i cannot access the alien folder with just usb? | 18:15 |
| Morpog_PC | should work | 18:15 |
| Morpog_PC | via ssh | 18:15 |
| zbenjamin | ah ;) ssh | 18:15 |
| Morpog_PC | but I use wifi for SSH | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | easier to setup on windows :) | 18:16 |
| Pnuu | and no cables! | 18:17 |
| zbenjamin | hm i cannot connect over wifi, Connection reset by peer | 18:18 |
| Quu | too many beers is bad thing | 18:18 |
| Morpog_PC | I miss all my favourite Quality apps from harmattan, android apps just suck :D | 18:18 |
| Morpog_PC | you tried the right ip? | 18:19 |
| zbenjamin | yes :) | 18:19 |
| Morpog_PC | ssh enabled on device? | 18:19 |
| zbenjamin | yes | 18:19 |
| Morpog_PC | in dev settings | 18:19 |
| Morpog_PC | password set? | 18:19 |
| zbenjamin | yes and yes | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | which user you try? | 18:20 |
| zbenjamin | what do i do? ssh nemo@192.168.x.x? | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 18:20 |
| zbenjamin | hmpf, no not working | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | works fine here | 18:21 |
| Morpog_PC | tried to ping the ip? | 18:21 |
| nander | Damm, Hoenig is a fine artist ;) | 18:21 |
| zbenjamin | ping works | 18:21 |
| * zbenjamin tries to reboot phone | 18:22 | |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: btw https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/persecute-sailfish | 18:23 |
| flux | is there a changelog for .12? | 18:23 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, only i586 | 18:23 |
| Morpog_PC | flux, just a store fix | 18:24 |
| Morpog_PC | hotfix | 18:24 |
| Jonni | flux: .12 only fixed store credentials probem, nothing else. | 18:24 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: well you should be able to build it with the sdk right? | 18:24 |
| Morpog_PC | closed source | 18:24 |
| flux | meh, I wasn't hit by it as far as I know :) | 18:24 |
| zbenjamin | connected | 18:24 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: seriously? meh | 18:25 |
| Morpog_PC | yep :( | 18:25 |
| Morpog_PC | yay for connect | 18:25 |
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| Morpog_PC | someone (hint: Jolla) should send coderus a Jolla device, so he develops persecute for sailfishos. | 18:26 |
| zbenjamin | ok i found /opt/alien | 18:26 |
| zbenjamin | hint^2 | 18:26 |
| chem|st | flux: 5 out of 10 times I reset the device I had issues | 18:26 |
| chem|st | no idea what it was though | 18:26 |
| flux | chem|st, serves you right rebooting so often! | 18:26 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: could you check where your WhatsApp folder is? | 18:26 |
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| Morpog_PC | yes | 18:27 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: check /sdcard/Android/data first | 18:27 |
| chem|st | what is persecute? | 18:27 |
| Morpog_PC | a whatsapp client | 18:27 |
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| chem|st | do you guys ever think of useful stuff? | 18:27 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, well, it's the app all my friends communicate with | 18:28 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_PC: mine too and I tell each and everyone of them that they are dumb | 18:28 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: useful like? | 18:28 |
| zbenjamin | chem|st: what do you use for communication? | 18:29 |
| chem|st | zbenjamin: columbus for example... | 18:29 |
| chem|st | zbenjamin: xmpp | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, well, that gives me a good feeling, but doesn't make them switch to anything else | 18:29 |
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| Morpog_PC | found it zbenjamin | 18:31 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: yeah and I don't care... if they are not on a smsflat I do care even less... each and every phone has an xmpp client but no we need to invent the wheel at least the third time the last decade.... | 18:31 |
| chem|st | and from I know by now... whatsapp groups is something I want to live without! | 18:32 |
| Morpog_PC | chem|st, non tech people just doesn't understand | 18:32 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, /data/sdcard | 18:32 |
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| Quu | chem|st: lol :) | 18:33 |
| Quu | i just want basic messaging | 18:33 |
| Quu | i do most of my shit trough irc, but working whatsapp would be "nice" | 18:33 |
| chem|st | Morpog_PC: it is a chat client, you install you register you call... wtf? right! but you want whatsapp... | 18:33 |
| chem|st | simple as that | 18:33 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: directly in /data/sdcard? | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC | sure chem|st I dumb whatsapp hapily as soon as you got all my friends to dumb it too :) | 18:34 |
| zbenjamin | like /data/sdcard/WhatsApp | 18:34 |
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| Turski | chem|st: problem is that everyone uses whatsapp | 18:35 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, /data/sdcard/WhatsApp | 18:35 |
| chem|st | Turski: there was a time everyone used icq... | 18:35 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: great thx | 18:35 |
| Turski | chem|st: and there was a time when everyone used MSN messenger | 18:35 |
| chem|st | Turski: not in my country... | 18:35 |
| Turski | chem|st: in my country was | 18:36 |
| Turski | chem|st: that was probably same time when in your country everyone had icq | 18:36 |
| Turski | or then it was divided by age... | 18:36 |
| chem|st | well not my domain have fun coding an app for a company earning enough to maintain any 10 mobileOSs extra... | 18:37 |
| chem|st | please charge people some euros for it at least! | 18:37 |
| chem|st | Turski: nope that was more like when icq became a dating site... | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I donated several times for wazapp developers back then | 18:38 |
| chem|st | I will wait for heml.is and I know some whatsapp folks already waiting too... | 18:39 |
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| chem|st | as it seems noone ever cares about a gnupg capable xmpp client | 18:39 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | so apperantly those who got jolla just days before it would be available to all, dont get LE TOH | 18:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | probably they want "i waited not enuf" version of it :P | 18:48 |
| Quu | wut? | 18:48 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i heard something about that it would be shipped at a later date | 18:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe their stock ran out, and their delivery wasn't on time | 18:50 |
| ggabriel | tbh i'll be happy with the phone :) | 18:50 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ggabriel: if everything is not right i want at least something | 18:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | :P | 18:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's getting funny at some point | 18:54 |
| rcg | ggabriel, well, this more teasing, but i really like the ui concept | 18:55 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: i cannot create anything in /data/sdcard | 18:55 |
| Morpog_PC | devel-su | 18:56 |
| zbenjamin | pw? | 18:56 |
| zbenjamin | ah | 18:56 |
| zbenjamin | mine | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC | same as SSH | 18:56 |
| zbenjamin | what are the creds on your whatsapp folder? | 18:56 |
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| Morpog_PC | group 1015 | 18:58 |
| Morpog_PC | owner 10009 | 18:58 |
| Morpog_PC | 2775 | 18:58 |
| merlin1991 | I would love it if there were a convinent way todo usb networking pc <> jolla where the pc is the gateway to the internet, n900 has a really nice package that enables a "usb networking" option in the connection dialog | 18:58 |
| rcg | ggabriel, just want to say that you will likely like it ;) | 18:58 |
| pp_ | merlin1991: I'm doing my first app that does it the other way around, but I expect progress to be very slow :-) | 18:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: it can come with a time, or you can port maemo's one :P | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: maemo has nokias very own closed source connection manager, that won't be compatible in any way :D | 19:00 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: thx | 19:01 |
| ggabriel | yeah ill get it eventually | 19:01 |
| pp_ | suppose other way around would just need to tell connman to do dhcp (and the pc to serve it to the rndis port) | 19:01 |
| tigeli | merlin1991: it takes 2 commands on the pc, one on the jolla.. how much convinient it can be :D | 19:02 |
| ggabriel | merlin1991: interesting use case | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | tigeli: well the command on the jolla is the one that isn't convenient | 19:03 |
| merlin1991 | I'd like to just choose usb networking from the ui that normally asks which wlan I want to use when something needs internet access | 19:03 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: after i downloaded the sdk how do i get to it? | 19:03 |
| zbenjamin | apk i mean | 19:03 |
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| Morpog_PC | transfer | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | in settings | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | or in events view | 19:04 |
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| Kabouik | Or with jolla-filemand in /home/nemo/Downloads | 19:04 |
| Kabouik | jolla-fileman | 19:04 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: ah found it thx | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | btw if you use twitter, get tweetian | 19:05 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: did it automagically find the sms? | 19:05 |
| Kabouik | Has everyone came to the conclusion that the Settings app has to be open all the time (for managing transfers, connections, bluetooth, and so on), and hence basically acts as the drop-down menu of the N9? | 19:06 |
| Kabouik | Or am I missing something? | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, no | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to wait the long time and enter it manually | 19:06 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: of course not ;) | 19:06 |
| zbenjamin | ok i can live with that | 19:06 |
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| nander | no dropdown menu.. That's a pity | 19:06 |
| nander | I liked that menu in the n9 | 19:06 |
| nander | on the other half (pun intended), you get more screen estate for applications | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | Kabouik, yeah I got it open alot of times | 19:06 |
| Kabouik | Liked it too, it was like a toolbox that could be used from everywhere, very useful in a multitasking OS. We have the pulleys here, which are app-specific and useful too though | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | I always try to swioe left/right on multitask view :D | 19:07 |
| Kabouik | But using the Settings app and keeping it open all the time seems cumbersome compared to a general drop down menu | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | damn harmattan gesures in my head ;) | 19:07 |
| Kabouik | I do too Morpog_PC | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | but I get used to it it more and more | 19:08 |
| Kabouik | Plus getting back to the Settings app requires more gesture, not to mention that the cover of Settings is fixed (does not change depending on the Setting page open inside the app) | 19:08 |
| Kabouik | But I see no way of implementing that drop down menu, because I like the no-status-bar-choice too | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | zbenjamin, https://www.dropbox.com/s/jf8c56fpjdm90x9/tweetian-1.8.2-1.armv7hl.rpm | 19:09 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: were already talking on tmo about that ridiculous four (4) gestures to change ambience... one could be at least a menu of some kind | 19:09 |
| Kabouik | I've proposed some things about horizontal swipes from multitask view too on TMO, but perhaps not in the right place | 19:09 |
| Aard | Kabouik: I always hated the dropdown on the n9 a bit, as I often triggered it accidentally | 19:09 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: having one swipe direction replaced with settings would be nice | 19:10 |
| chem|st | Aard: +1 | 19:10 |
| Kabouik | Could be fore > 9 covers, for Favorite apps (which are not useful because you have to go in Settings app to get them), for a special menu... And lateral swipes from the lockscreen could be imagined too | 19:10 |
| chem|st | Aard: but I happen to trigger the pulley too | 19:10 |
| Kabouik | I have to admit I did trigger it by mistake quite often too Aard | 19:10 |
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| Aard | chem|st: mainly happens to me on lockscreen when using thumb, not in other apps | 19:11 |
| Kabouik | I'm not saying the way to trigger it was convenient, but the fact that it can be displayed from anywhere, as opposed to the settings apps that have to be maximized from its cover each time | 19:11 |
| chem|st | Aard: but missing panel gestures on settings is stupid | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | omg coderus new name for persecute on sailfishos is finish - Mitäkuuluu, how should i ever remeber that one? :D | 19:11 |
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| attah | Browsing the repo.. this looks interesing.. usb-moded-mass-storage-mode-0.76.3-1.3.1.armv7hl anyone tried? | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | be brave attah :D | 19:13 |
| Kabouik | Plus I'm sure it is weird in a lot of people's minds to keep the settings app open, we're all used to set settings, and then close it to never open them again | 19:13 |
| attah | i'd rather not brick it within the first day :P | 19:13 |
| Kabouik | I know, we should start to be unlike :o | 19:13 |
| attah | there is at command support too! :O | 19:14 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: always open... what bugs me is that I do not have a way to go back to the app which was open when the screenlock hit in | 19:14 |
| Kabouik | Yes, me too chem|st. On Harmattan I installed something that allow returning to previous state with a double press of the power key. It was very conveniennt | 19:14 |
| chem|st | installed? I just edited files to do that... | 19:15 |
| chem|st | doublepress to unlock directly | 19:15 |
| Kabouik | Well I don't remember what I did, the thing I installed was to use patterns on the hardware side buttons to trigger special actions | 19:15 |
| chem|st | hmm should have a look for that here... | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | And for double power, I returned to previous view from locked device | 19:16 |
| Kabouik | I could find the name of the app if you want when I get home | 19:16 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: no that is nothing I need an app for... it is changing one line in mce.ini | 19:17 |
| Kabouik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82538 must be it chem|st | 19:17 |
| Kabouik | Well sure if you know how to do it! I just mean that the good thing is that you had the choice: with regular way of unlocking, Harmattan behaved as default, and with the hardware key combination, it behaved as scripted | 19:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | after unlock, you get to home screen? and maybe side-swiping will go back to the running app? | 19:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah wait, it doesn't matter, does it? | 19:19 |
| Kabouik | Every time the Jolla locks, I have to double tapp, swipe down, tap the cover I was in. There are moves wasted here | 19:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you can just from home screen go to ALL the apps running | 19:19 |
| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: lockscreen sideswipe maybe | 19:19 |
| chem|st | when on homescreen you can just tap the app | 19:19 |
| Kabouik | Yeah, was thinking of that too just right now chem|st, but could be confusing | 19:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lockscreen sideswipe would bring you to ambience iinm | 19:20 |
| Raim | no, side-swipe only gives you the ambience selection | 19:20 |
| Morpog_PC | i need music player controls on lockscreen | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | Lockscreen sideswipe does not bring anything at the moment | 19:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there is no "1 running app", it makes sense to show home screen | 19:20 |
| Raim | Kabouik: it only appears if you selected at least one ambience as favorite | 19:20 |
| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: yes any sideswipe apart of launcher brings you to ambience... that is my point! | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | I did Raim, but it only works from multitask view, not lockscreen. Am I wrong? | 19:20 |
| Kabouik | I am wrong. | 19:21 |
| chem|st | 4 ways to launch ambience selector... which you actually only need on lockscreen | 19:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lockscreen would have a code for me anyway | 19:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but | 19:21 |
| Kabouik | Waste of very useful gestures :p | 19:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | perhaps 5seconds remorse timer for locking? | 19:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so that when you lock after "unuse" you can get back to what you were doing without unlock after 5 sec.? | 19:21 |
| Kabouik | I think double tap sideswipe would be perfect, albeit a bit confusing when you're not used to it because the animations clearly suggest that the covers are "below" the lockscreen, not on right or left | 19:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | chem|st: why do you need ambience on lockscreen? | 19:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i would be fine if ambience were in the pulley menu | 19:22 |
| Raim | or just on one side and the other goes to the app | 19:22 |
| Kabouik | But favorite ambiances should really only be in a pulley menu from Lockscreen, that would free up 4 gestures | 19:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i would like the pulley menu app (on lock) and the 4 sideswipes to be configurable | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | during my 5-10 minute test of a Jolla, I was pretty puzzled too why there seemed to be 4 gestures as shortcut to ambiences | 19:23 |
| attah | okay.. i tried.. nothing happened | 19:24 |
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| Kabouik | Homescreen sideswipes: show more pages of apps (1-9, 10-18, and so on). | 19:24 |
| Kabouik | Lockscreen sideswipes: return to app used before lockscreen | 19:24 |
| Kabouik | Launcher sideswipes: favorite apps (those selected from the Settings app currently) | 19:24 |
| chem|st | AL13N_lizzy: ambience is a nice name for profile+colours-picture | 19:24 |
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| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: but you can use network manager examples on ubuntu or fedora/suse | 19:25 |
| merlin1991 | does it map to connman apis? | 19:26 |
| merlin1991 | the pc side I have totally covered the jolla side is my "problem" | 19:26 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: way too complicated | 19:26 |
| Kabouik | Which part? You could just use what you want | 19:27 |
| Raim | merlin1991: don't you just have to add a new default route? | 19:27 |
| Kabouik | As these doesn't exist at all currently | 19:27 |
| chem|st | more app pages? not really needed but people cry if they do not see their apps... | 19:28 |
| merlin1991 | Raim: well I can either have a matching ip setup and add a default route, or run dhcp server on pc side and start dhcpclient on jolla, which is what I would like todo | 19:28 |
| Acce | Better would be if there was a setting to choose what the home & lockscreen swipes do | 19:28 |
| Acce | then, "regular" user wouldn't have to care | 19:28 |
| Kabouik | What do you mean by app pages? Covers? Seriously if so, 9 is not enough I always have 9, plus Settings has to be open all the time | 19:29 |
| merlin1991 | and whichever solution I use I want todo it in the "which conenction to choose" ui and not in fingerterm | 19:29 |
| Acce | and "advanced" user could customize | 19:29 |
| chem|st | launcher is sortable so no need for favourites... | 19:29 |
| chem|st | homescreens | 19:29 |
| chem|st | you do not need more homescreens | 19:29 |
| Kabouik | Actually launcher and favorites are not needed yes, sortable, you have to say it quick! It will be sortable when we'll have folders | 19:29 |
| Kabouik | But yes. It's just that the "favorite" option currently is pointless. It adds shortcuts in Settings :/ | 19:30 |
| Kabouik | I do need more than covers | 19:30 |
| Kabouik | more than 9 | 19:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but | 19:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this represents running apps | 19:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what you want is more like widgets on android | 19:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's a whole different thing | 19:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i do would like pinnable covers | 19:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but other than that, there's apps below | 19:31 |
| chem|st | I don't know why they need to be display shaped... could be squares... so you fit another line but 12 apps is fine - this is not android, anyone who does not integrate his messanger or phone app with jolla's unified system needs to be punished! | 19:31 |
| Kabouik | Just look at the video reviews we have had so far: it's not rare to see the homescreen filled with 9 apps. And I do it too on a daily basis. i don't need more arguments for believing that I *would* use more than 9 covers if I could | 19:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | theyare meant to be display shaped... it should give a preview of what is running | 19:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: https://github.com/connectivity/connman-release | 19:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's the whole point | 19:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you want squares, go tothe apps screen | 19:32 |
| Kabouik | No AL13N_lizzy, what I want is not widget. :/ | 19:32 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: covers without coveraction and without other usefulness can go somewhere else offscreen | 19:32 |
| Kabouik | Say that to Settings cover chem|st | 19:32 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: gallery has nothing for example... | 19:32 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | well, possibly if there's pinning covers, there's also apps that never appear as cover? and have this userconfigurable? | 19:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: even better https://gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_nokia-usb-networking/source/fce02fbc4d2fb80a55a90844eaac6acaf67d1abe:nokia-usb-net-confd | 19:33 |
| Kabouik | But I disagree that they need actions chem|st. To be honest, the "interactive thumbnails" feature is a good selling point, but it's mostly fancy. Every time I need to interact with a cover, I want more info that what I'll get from the cover, so I end up maximizing it | 19:33 |
| Kabouik | I'm not saying it's useless | 19:33 |
| chem|st | the bottom line should be another line of covers but pinnable... | 19:34 |
| Kabouik | I'm saying it is largely fancy, and that it should not be that that decide if an app deserves a cover or not | 19:34 |
| chem|st | and not favourites | 19:34 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: gallery isn't interactive | 19:34 |
| chem|st | it shows the last 8 pics or something... thats it. | 19:35 |
| Kabouik | Favourites are useless as they are (can only access them from inside another app, that's a huge paradox). They would be useful if accessed from an easy gesture | 19:35 |
| Kabouik | Yes chem|st | 19:35 |
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| Kabouik | And yet showing the cover is useful: it says your app is running, and where you left it (those 8 pictures) | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: so what's going on with missing TOH's ? | 19:36 |
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| Kabouik | The same applies to your Linux or Windows OS: it shows a taskbar | 19:36 |
| attah | there appears to be dome usb-moded documentation installed.. but not in the form of a manpage, anyone know where to look? | 19:36 |
| Kabouik | Doesn't matter if you can interact with the taskbar without maximizing. Its main purpose is to tell your what is running | 19:36 |
| chem|st | how would you make multipage homescreen, sideswipe? well I would use sideswipers for more fidel stuff | 19:36 |
| chem|st | as you cannot turn pages with swipe from middle... | 19:37 |
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| Kabouik | That, or a scrolling button, or a page button to be tapped, or smaller covers (but it would conflict with interactions) | 19:37 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: my linux has no taskbar | 19:37 |
| chem|st | I have a statusbar I can make slide in but thats about it | 19:38 |
| Kabouik | So you're unlike and I won't try to say it's better with a taskbar chem|st, it's not. But the fact is a LOT of people find it useful, and are actually totally lost if they do not know what is running (me included) | 19:38 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: you misunderstood the idea of that UI if you want to make people use buttons | 19:38 |
| Kabouik | chem|st you're misunderstanding my point here, I'm not arguing that I want buttons :( | 19:39 |
| Kabouik | I'm just saying that those thinking a multitasking OS limited to 9 shown covers is missing something too | 19:39 |
| Kabouik | -is +are | 19:39 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: alot of people close apps by pushing a back button or a X tope right... that is trained over decades! | 19:39 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: the apps are not gone... wait a sec let me try something | 19:40 |
| Kabouik | That's the whole point chem|st: you can run more than 9 apps, but not show them. That is where it gets confusing, and misleading | 19:40 |
| attah | BINGO: [nemo@localhost usb-moded]$ cat dyn-modes/mass-storage.ini | 19:40 |
| attah | [mode] | 19:40 |
| attah | name = mass_storage | 19:40 |
| attah | module = g_file_storage | 19:40 |
| Kabouik | For instance, I would be pleased if we could just use the long press view on homescreen (the view that shows closing crosses) to rearrange or maximize the covers, because in this view, it's possible to scroll. I'd be ok if I had to long press to show more than 9 apps and use that view for something else than just closing | 19:41 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: I have an idea... how about longpress home to lockin on the screen let the favourits vanish... and make it scrollable up down | 19:43 |
| Kabouik | So I'm not saying I want a page button, or a scrolling bar, or sideswipes. I'm saying I 90% of the time have 9 apps running, and would benefit from possibility to show more, because I would launch more. I have no perfect design in mind, just proposing some ideas to get the result | 19:43 |
| chem|st | only a pulley to close apps|all | 19:43 |
| Kabouik | Yes chem|st, that's basically what we currently have with longpress on homescreen, except it can only be used for closing apps. Add rearrange and restore (when cover is taped, not its X) functions, and I sign | 19:44 |
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| Kabouik | But let the X where they are, only pulley would be weird | 19:45 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: I actually have exactly 9 running - all others get closed... without even thinking about needing another line of covers | 19:45 |
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| msknight | Hi Folks, new Jolla user in need of help. Anyone able to assist please? | 19:45 |
| Kabouik | There your needs diverge from mine. Of course "needs" is a big word, I can live with 9, it's already great | 19:45 |
| Kabouik | But a N9 with a better CPU would be a better multitask beast than the Jolla then | 19:46 |
| chem|st | Kabouik: well if there are only 9 apps you can have the X directly... | 19:46 |
| Pnuu | msknight: ask, someone might be able to help then ;-) | 19:46 |
| msknight | OK - some ground work - Myy wireless was hacked some time back, so my settings are strong. I am having an issue with getting the Jolla to connect to it. | 19:46 |
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| chem|st | msknight: EAP with custom certs wont happen | 19:47 |
| msknight | I get half way through typing the password and it fails the connection. Also, as there is no "notepad" I start a browser and type the password in the search, and then copy and paste it in to the wi-fi password, but it rejects it. | 19:47 |
| chem|st | msknight: what wifi is it | 19:48 |
| msknight | When I re-select the wi-fi, it immediately refuses to connect "problem with connection" where I would expect it to ask me for the password again. | 19:48 |
| chem|st | msknight: it is nothing wrong with the password prompt... | 19:48 |
| Kabouik | To sum up chem|st: I would be pleased if all was as it currently is, EXCEPT there's a way to SHOW more than 9 covers, relatively easy | 19:48 |
| Kabouik | For instance: keep all as it is, except you add "rearrange" and "restore" features to covers in the long-pressed homescreen (when you can scroll) | 19:48 |
| Kabouik | Or add sideswipes, or add a page button, I don't care what they decide is the most convenient | 19:48 |
| Kabouik | I just think the choice to limit to 9 shown is not convenient for me | 19:49 |
| msknight | It is a Netgear DGND4000 running dual band. They are both set to WPA2-PSK (AES) with a long password | 19:49 |
| msknight | The Jolla wi-fi mac address is already in the security settings for the router. | 19:49 |
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| Kabouik | I heard there are issues with WPA2-PSK msknight. Can someone confirm? | 19:50 |
| chem|st | msknight: how long is long... I run wpa2 psk aes with 15chars | 19:50 |
| tigeli | msknight: what softwawre version are you running on your jolla? | 19:50 |
| msknight | 62 characters | 19:50 |
| tigeli | msknight: that does not happen for me.. and running over 40 chars | 19:50 |
| chem|st | msknight: lol | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | 62 chars? | 19:50 |
| chem|st | lol^2 | 19:50 |
| Pnuu | should be enough :-) | 19:50 |
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| tigeli | enough for few years | 19:51 |
| msknight | 1.0.0.5 | 19:51 |
| Kabouik | Seems outdated | 19:51 |
| tigeli | msknight: ok, you should consider updating to 1.0.1.12 | 19:51 |
| Pnuu | msknight: try if updating to .12 helps | 19:51 |
| tigeli | it should help | 19:51 |
| chem|st | tigeli: he has no wifi... | 19:51 |
| msknight | OK - how do I do that if I can't connect to wi-fi :-) | 19:51 |
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| tigeli | chem|st: I live in a world with unlimited lte ;) | 19:52 |
| chem|st | *facepalm* if your phone doesn't work give us a call! | 19:52 |
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| msknight | Funny you should say that ... I work in cloud telephony :-) | 19:52 |
| tigeli | msknight: setup a shorter pw temporarily? | 19:52 |
| chem|st | tigeli: I live in a world where LTE is pretty much 40eur extra/m | 19:52 |
| tigeli | :D | 19:52 |
| Morpog_PC | msknight, set your router to a less secure wifi mode, update, change wifi router to secure again, retry | 19:52 |
| msknight | OK- I'll do that. give me a while. | 19:52 |
| chem|st | msknight: 15chars wpa2 is fair enough... | 19:53 |
| Kabouik | Well, time to get home, 20:53 already! See you later guys | 19:53 |
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| msknight | Oh - how do I make a suggestion - that on initial set up of the Jolla, that it tells the user what is mac address is, to make the users initial set up a little easier? | 19:53 |
| ln- | why does the user care what a mac address is? | 19:54 |
| chem|st | msknight: macs are in settings:about | 19:55 |
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| Turski | at least i don't care what my MAC is | 19:55 |
| msknight | To initially put the mac in the wi-fi access control list | 19:55 |
| phlixi | msknight: just for the case you use macfilters for security reasons (surely not, but just for the case) its no security feature at all | 19:55 |
| tigeli | mac filters.. no security at all | 19:56 |
| chem|st | msknight: you do preset DHCP? only reason I use macs... | 19:56 |
| msknight | Use it for logging. | 19:56 |
| msknight | long story, but whoever hacked me, is local, and they know what I'm doing ... so I'm not paranoid, I know they're out to get me :-D | 19:56 |
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| chem|st | msknight: you can log without mac... every client sends its mac! | 19:57 |
| chem|st | deactivate mac filtering for now please | 19:57 |
| phlixi | ...unless you spoof it, which is not hard | 19:57 |
| phlixi | and besides that, in settings about (iirc) the mac is displayed | 19:58 |
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| msknight | Sorted | 20:01 |
| * msknight slaps forehead | 20:01 | |
| msknight | I mis-read and put part of the bluetooth mac in for the wi-fi mac. | 20:01 |
| phlixi | msknight: besides that, in order to not have to type a long WPA key, you can send a VCF (with the wpa key as name) via bluetooth to the jolla, then you can edit the contact on the jolla and while editing you are able to copy the key | 20:01 |
| chem|st | or wps | 20:02 |
| phlixi | ...if available... | 20:02 |
| chem|st | or just something like "ACowissittingonaTree" easy to remember and not to guess | 20:03 |
| phlixi | yeah, and then ever other device does not work any longer... | 20:03 |
| Raim | or use a shorter WLAN password, there is no added value from using overly long passwords. | 20:03 |
| msknight | Is Jolla dual band or just 2.4 please? I thought it was dual. | 20:03 |
| chem|st | msknight: bgn | 20:04 |
| chem|st | 2.4 | 20:04 |
| phlixi | Raim: typing 20 or 06 chars does not make a difference, but 5chars is not secure | 20:04 |
| chem|st | no a afaik | 20:04 |
| phlixi | Raim: typing 20 or 60 chars does not make a difference, but 5chars is not secure | 20:04 |
| msknight | Thanks! n is in use on 2.4 and 5. Shame the unit is only 2.4, but such is life. | 20:04 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: there is a shorter pw to the 62 where the hash is the same (at least one) | 20:05 |
| Raim | phlixi: but 60 characters does not make it more secure. the actual key is derived from that password and is always 128/256 bits. | 20:05 |
| phlixi | the point i wanted to make, is, that a good password should have 20 chars (dont argue about 16, 20 or 12, whatever...) and that 5chars is clearly not a good password | 20:06 |
| chem|st | or the chances are high to have at least one (slept over that class) | 20:06 |
| phlixi | and is NOT easy to remember | 20:06 |
| chem|st | phlixi: easy to remeber can make a good pw that is bare BS | 20:06 |
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| phlixi | but typing something like that wZ62umGeUQJ48vey9qny is not easy | 20:07 |
| chem|st | and eqivalently guessable as a sentence of at least 5 words... | 20:07 |
| Pnuu | I'm that there would be a password safe app ported | 20:08 |
| chem|st | in terms of a machine it does not make a difference | 20:08 |
| Pnuu | I'm waiting, that ... | 20:08 |
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| isto_ | n9 app safe is being ported, needs paid app support in the jolla store though | 20:09 |
| Pnuu | :-( | 20:10 |
| Pnuu | I saw that there was a keepassx variant or two in progress | 20:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 20:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hopefully, we'll be able to get NFC for that too | 20:11 |
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| Pnuu | :-) | 20:11 |
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| phlixi | chem|st: just a side note, i am pretty sure, that not for every hash of a 62chars passphrase exists a shorter collision. that a has has only 2^64 possible values, does not mean that all of them are able to be generated by 0-2^64 | 20:13 |
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| phlixi | but actually i did not wanted to start nitpicking, i just can not let iut uncommented to recomment weak passwords... | 20:14 |
| phlixi | in fact i wanted to ask if someone can help me configuring email on my jolla | 20:14 |
| phlixi | anyone? | 20:14 |
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| chem|st | sure (email) | 20:17 |
| chem|st | you enter your account details as requested and please write your password right... | 20:18 |
| phlixi | any idea if there is some kind of logging or anything? it just says "Updating..." | 20:18 |
| rauz | so long i'm realy happy with my jolla everthing that i want to do works perfectly | 20:18 |
| phlixi | i pasted the password (you migt have guessed that^^) into the imap and into the smpt setting, sending works, but to me it seems as if it would not connect to the imap server | 20:19 |
| phlixi | chem|st if you like to test, i create an account | 20:19 |
| phlixi | ...for you | 20:20 |
| petantik | when i set the alarm the time seems tto be set for time+1 hours | 20:20 |
| phlixi | (unfortunately i have no privilioges to see logs on the serverside) | 20:20 |
| phlixi | petantik: i noticed something similar when seeting the time and choosing between automatic and manual setting, maybe thats conected? | 20:21 |
| petantik | phlixi: i dont know | 20:23 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: I guesse port or method wrong | 20:27 |
| phlixi | port is definitly not wrong, server address is definitly not wrong, and while i use "SSL/TLS" in thunderbird, i tried "SSL" and i tried "TLS" an the jolla, both the same outcome | 20:28 |
| phlixi | there are no more settings (yes, username, also double checked that) | 20:28 |
| chem|st | there is not much else | 20:29 |
| phlixi | thats why i am asking if there is some loggin or such, where i could digg, because the UI only tells me "Upadting..." (and there is not even an inbox folder) | 20:29 |
| phlixi | and in "sync" i found that there is a error message for every try, but it simply sais "failed" or somethign like that | 20:30 |
| chem|st | there wont be heavy logging without activation, logrotate is pretty short | 20:31 |
| chem|st | thats all I know about logging | 20:31 |
| phlixi | any hints on how to activate it? and what is "logrotation"? | 20:32 |
| phlixi | its pretty easy to reproduce, since it never works ;-) therefore activating logging is fine, i do not need to know why it failed before | 20:33 |
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| msknight | OK - making progress here. I have the OS updated. I have also paired a few things and sent some VCF files over, but I don't seem to be able to find a "file browser" to get at them. Should I download an app, or is there something I'm missing? | 20:39 |
| phlixi | msknight: the vcf should be imported automatically into your "people" app (contatcs) | 20:40 |
| msknight | No, they weren't. I did do this before upgrading the OS, however. | 20:40 |
| msknight | I'll try again. | 20:40 |
| phlixi | i tried this by sending a contact from my n9 via bluetooth before upgrading | 20:41 |
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| msknight | Apparently I need to get at the "transfers" window | 20:42 |
| phlixi | i had to go to settings systemsettings transfers, there the vcf appeard, when taped it got imported as contact | 20:42 |
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| phdeswer | MSameer: vcf files can be imported from settings->apps->people | 20:44 |
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| phdeswer | msknight: I meant ^^^ | 20:44 |
| msknight | Urk. I'm trying the transfer and after I've imported the VCF, it says that the contact has been imported, but then I swipe, and I'm taken to "people" isntead of back to "transfers" | 20:45 |
| msknight | This is getting to be a bit painful. | 20:46 |
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| msknight | Could do with a setting for "whenever you receive a vcf file, just import it in to the contacts." | 20:50 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i donno | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i wouldn't like that | 20:52 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i don't want people to automatically insert themselves in my contacts | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | security risk | 20:52 |
| msknight | It would make it easy for people transferring from one phone to another. | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, you probably get to an import app, which means that back page was the people settings | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | easy is ok, but it still must be secure | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i don't want any downloaded files to be activated by default | 20:54 |
| mcfrisk | msknight: sent VCF files were in the notifications, and there I was able to import them. | 20:56 |
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| mcfrisk | In my testing jolla power usage is good enough, 36% battery left after 15 hours, some wlan and 3g data usage during the day, bunch of music playback, some longer phone calls etc. Quite similar to N9 with my usage. This with crappy O2 connection in Germany. | 21:00 |
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| msknight | I've inserted a 32gig memory card, fat 32 with files on it, but I don't know how to browse it, or access media on it. I have just installed the Jolla basic apps, but the music app isn't picking anything up. Any advice please? | 21:12 |
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| Frye | msknight, if it is exfat it won't work out of the box | 21:14 |
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| msknight | OK - so I'll take it out and get the files off it ... but I don't see any tools to format a memory card or report on the status. | 21:14 |
| Frye | I think it's still a bit of work in progress | 21:15 |
| Frye | I cannot really tell you how it is supposed to work atm as I do not know myself | 21:15 |
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| msknight | Fair enough. | 21:15 |
| Frye | I got my sd card to mount with vfat and now btrfs when I did a small tweak to the udev script | 21:15 |
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| Frye | But I have not yet tried to put any music or so into it | 21:16 |
| msknight | I deliberately don't want to mess around with dev scripts, however, it does look like many of the apps I use, are not going to be readily available. I have been pushing suppliers and even started pushing my phone company to recognise the Jolla, but it will be a long task. | 21:17 |
| msknight | However, there must be something to report on storage status? | 21:17 |
| msknight | Even if just for the phone itself? | 21:18 |
| atlaz | Whoa, weird bug on my Jolla. Got a facebook message and the screen wouldn't turn on after that | 21:18 |
| atlaz | Blue light just blinked. Doubletapping or pushing the power button did nothing | 21:18 |
| Frye | Yeah, settings -> system settings -> about product | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: got ssh access by chance? | 21:19 |
| atlaz | Nah, i had to reboot it | 21:19 |
| msknight | Ah! That circle thing was so fancy that I didn't "see" it! | 21:19 |
| Frye | There is information about the internal memory if I read it right | 21:19 |
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| atlaz | removing TOH and reinserting it gave the soundeffect that TOH was inserted | 21:19 |
| atlaz | So the phone was awake, just didn't turn on the screen for me | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | atlaz: there's a bug along those lines, think it's getting fixed.. | 21:20 |
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| atlaz | allright. Tried to recreate it by sending a ton of messages from my wifes phone, but wasn't able to do it | 21:20 |
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| rcg | well, guys, after using the jolla phone for a while i can say that i am really impressed :) | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 21:24 |
| Frye | My thoughts exactly | 21:25 |
| Frye | Waiting for the day to switch on using it as my primary phone | 21:25 |
| Frye | But it is always with me. My secondary iPhone was not... | 21:26 |
| Frye | It was lying in the drawer :D | 21:26 |
| iaira | Have all of you guys whitched the dev tool on? What have you guys done with them? | 21:26 |
| rcg | even more so, when considering that this is pretty much bleeding edge, i.e., wayland, qt5, btrfs, and i don't know what else ;) | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | considering we moved entire stack from x11 to wayland, new SoC, qt4 to qt5 back in spring, the result is quite nice, especially knowing how fast we can implement new features/fix bugs.. | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
| rcg | ;) | 21:27 |
| Frye | Stskeeps, yeah, the hw change so late on is what impresses me the most. | 21:27 |
| Frye | And you still managed to pull it together | 21:27 |
| rcg | yeah, i think this is really cool work | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | which makes you wonder how big turnaround we have on product making | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:27 |
| Venemo | hey | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 21:27 |
| rcg | i also like the ui very much | 21:27 |
| Venemo | moo Stskeeps :) | 21:27 |
| rcg | hey Venemo | 21:27 |
| Frye | I'm really waiting for a bit of extra cash and then I'll buy three more after few more updates. | 21:28 |
| Frye | Need to get my wife and kids Jollas too | 21:28 |
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| rcg | just spent a couple of ours to integrate more native sailfish goodness into meepasswords ;) | 21:28 |
| rcg | *hours | 21:28 |
| Frye | rcg :-) | 21:28 |
| Frye | I'm trying to be patient and only look in the jolla store every 10 minutes if my app is visible there already :D | 21:28 |
| Venemo | still haven't got my jolla | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: what # are you oN? | 21:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: #of what? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | order number | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm at 2xxxx35xx | 21:29 |
| rcg | Frye, hehe ;) | 21:29 |
| Quu | D: | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | not shipped yet | 21:29 |
| Quu | i was 2x146 and got phone week ago | 21:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: 100€ or 40€ preorder? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: 0 eur | 21:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: well then; I preordered the 100€ version so I'm supposed to get it sooner | 21:30 |
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| Venemo | order ID is 2000041xx | 21:30 |
| lpotter | mine's not shipped yet either | 21:30 |
| Venemo | I guess they won't ship 40€ or 0€ preorders until they haven't finished with the 100€ preorders | 21:31 |
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| winfriedd | nor is mine, order ID 2xxx2027, 100 euro pre-order | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | winfriedd: not in picking or anything like that? | 21:31 |
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| winfriedd | Yes, in picking since Monday somewhere | 21:32 |
| Venemo | it'd be just AWESOME if jolla could ship it by christmas | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm fairly confident we'll get it before xmas, personally | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | without having big insight, tendancy looks good | 21:33 |
| rcg | winfriedd, don't worry, i got the shipping details e-mail the day it was delivered here | 21:33 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: great :) | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | winfriedd: you might want to try out the fedex order number lookup trick | 21:33 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: does that mean that you will have sent all of them by christmas or that we will have received all of them by christmas? ;) | 21:33 |
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| winfriedd | I'm not worried ;) | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: mine is for my wife, so i really hope by xmas | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:33 |
| winfriedd | But Fedex can't find it yet | 21:33 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps :) | 21:34 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: which option by christmas? | 21:34 |
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| rcg | hehe Stskeeps i also wanted to buy a jolla for my fiancee, instead she went with the alcatel onetouch firefoxos thing | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: any | 21:35 |
| rcg | and that seems to crash quite often | 21:35 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I would prefer to have received it by xmas | 21:35 |
| faenil | Venemo, how did you get 41xx? :P | 21:36 |
| Venemo | faenil: what do you mean? | 21:36 |
| faenil | Venemo, did you purchase late? | 21:36 |
| Venemo | faenil: yes, but it was within the deadline | 21:36 |
| faenil | Venemo, of course | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg: one touch fire is a .. funny device | 21:37 |
| Venemo | faenil: so by all means I expect to get it before anyone who only made a 40€ or 0€ preorder | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | in other news: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/ - damn scary | 21:37 |
| faenil | Venemo, don't know if there's any order :) but I'd say so | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | also, the talk.maemo.org tracking numbers thread is interesting night reading | 21:38 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, yay, talking about side channel attacks | 21:40 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, could you elaborate a bit more on the one touch fire being "funny" or would that take too long? | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg: as in nicely hackable but very limited | 21:42 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, ic | 21:42 |
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| iaira | Can I ask a stupid question? | 21:47 |
| chem|st | iaira: no | 21:47 |
| iaira | Cool, I'll ask it anyway | 21:47 |
| merlin1991 | that's the spirit :D | 21:47 |
| chem|st | well you obviously just did X) | 21:47 |
| chem|st | merlin1991: any fancy stuff found yet | 21:48 |
| iaira | Has anyone encoutnered a problem that the Android-apps doesn't support notification and sounds? | 21:48 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: nah didn't find anything else | 21:48 |
| chem|st | I was looking for led and buttons but didn't find them yet | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | iaira: define notifications - a lot of them show up in jolla feed | 21:49 |
| chem|st | well wasn't looking that hard... | 21:49 |
| iaira | And how can I control the Android apps? e.g shut them down since they aren't available in the multitasking screen? | 21:49 |
| chem|st | iaira: then it is shutdown already | 21:49 |
| iaira | Stskeeps I mean that for example if I get a FB message, I don't get any notifications | 21:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: scary indeed! | 21:50 |
| iaira | chem|st: are they? Cause when I am using another Android app and press the tile "button", other android programs seems to be running still | 21:50 |
| chem|st | iaira: fb android? there is fb messanger in accounts... | 21:50 |
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| chem|st | iaira: tile button shows latest and running in android | 21:51 |
| chem|st | it is not a taskmanager | 21:51 |
| chem|st | guess it is the same on jolla | 21:51 |
| iaira | yeah, can I shut them down from thew Sailfish side or ´do I have shut them down from the latest view? | 21:52 |
| iaira | have to* | 21:52 |
| chem|st | they are shut down | 21:52 |
| * Bysmyyr got notifications to side of the screen | 21:52 | |
| chem|st | iaira: lmc | 21:52 |
| iaira | ? | 21:53 |
| chem|st | when I open yandex store and hit tile I see 3 applications but only yandex store is running | 21:53 |
| iaira | Hmm OK, maybe I've gotten the wrong idea. Never used Android before. | 21:54 |
| chem|st | running apps you see as cover on homescreen | 21:54 |
| iaira | I was under the impression that the tiel button was for the apps running | 21:55 |
| chem|st | no recent | 21:55 |
| restless_being | iaira: i can confirm that for example whatsapp doesn't display any notifications | 21:55 |
| chem|st | so gtg! | 21:55 |
| iaira | Ok, thnk chem|st | 21:55 |
| iaira | restless_being yeah so I've heard. I haven't inserted my sim-card yet so no need for whatsapp | 21:56 |
| iaira | but getting notifications from those kind of apps would be nice | 21:56 |
| Frye | Ok, there is an app that was approved later than mine in store so I guess it'll be in store some time tomorrow. Bedtime soon. | 21:56 |
| Frye | Maybe few more refreshes :D | 21:57 |
| iaira | some people have managed to get notifications but I guess they've done magics | 21:57 |
| Frye | If I have the facebook android application running in the grid I will get notifications from it | 21:59 |
| Frye | But not when the android layer is closed | 21:59 |
| phlixi | Frye: just out of curiosity, what did you submit? | 21:59 |
| Frye | hehe just a small puzzle game. Samegame | 22:00 |
| phlixi | games :/ | 22:00 |
| Frye | was learning the ui stuff and thought that why not. | 22:00 |
| Frye | My kids like to play it :D | 22:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 3D printed TOH: https://twitter.com/unpixels | 22:00 |
| iaira | Frye: how do you control whether the android layer is on or off?? | 22:01 |
| msknight | I'm setting up an e-mail account, but if I change the user name for the incoming mail server, it seems to take it, but it then challenges me for a user name and password, but I don't know what user name and password Jolla wants me to provide; as it already has the e-mail username and password in the set up. And no matter what I provide, it reverts the e-mail settings. | 22:01 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | 3D model: https://github.com/skvark/TheOtherHalf/blob/master/theotherhalf.stl | 22:01 |
| Frye | wel when you close the android app from top down swipe so that it's not visible on grid I think it's off | 22:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: SameGame? and it's accepted? | 22:02 |
| Quu | iirc it kills the emulator | 22:02 |
| msknight | My situation is ... each device has its own e-mail address, so I can route critical e-mails to each device using rules. But when I send e-mails, they always appear to the recipient as if they came from me. | 22:02 |
| iaira | OK so basically if you don't have any android apps running, the android layer is off? | 22:02 |
| Frye | Yeah | 22:02 |
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| Frye | It was approved | 22:02 |
| Frye | this morning | 22:02 |
| msknight | However, as Jolla is refusing to take different credentials, I've got problems. | 22:02 |
| Frye | I'm sure it'll end up there some time tomorrow | 22:02 |
| Frye | It's not the example in the qt creator though :D | 22:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: i added it here: http://elinux.org/Jolla (if you have any other apps that you're in the works of making, please add) | 22:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this is primarily so that other devs don't spend time on the same stuff, that might be wasted | 22:04 |
| Frye | Yeah, I have nothing else atm | 22:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | np | 22:04 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: are you a person that can port stuff? | 22:05 |
| Frye | Thanks for adding. I tried to edit that page few weeks back but it requires a registration I think. | 22:05 |
| Frye | Not really | 22:05 |
| Frye | I might be able to, but I don't have time. | 22:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: yes, and the captcha question is very difficult | 22:05 |
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| phlixi | acually easy to google :D | 22:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: i'm using the android MangaWhat app, but i'd like a native app | 22:05 |
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| Frye | Btw if you want to add the sources are here: https://bitbucket.org/FryeX/samegame/src | 22:06 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: btw: for harbour, for submision, do you enter the URL and License? | 22:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | otoh, those should be set in the spec file | 22:10 |
| * msknight sighs | 22:10 | |
| Frye | No license in the submission. But URL yes and optional open source project page | 22:10 |
| msknight | The email application is sending mail with the "from" being the identity of the incomming POP3 server, rather than the identity of the sending SMTP server e-mail. | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: ah, so later they probably will be visible in public harbour | 22:11 |
| msknight | How do I report these things I'm finding please? Is there a bug report page? | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: you did fill that in the spec file of the built rpm, right? | 22:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: there is no bug tracker as of yet | 22:12 |
| Frye | Its on a separate license file inside the rpm package yes | 22:12 |
| Frye | You can see it inside the repo on bitbucket too. | 22:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | bugs can be mentioned here, since alot of devs are present here, they'll pick it up | 22:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: what i mean is that RPM itself has a URL and License Field in the spec file | 22:12 |
| msknight | AL13N_lizzy, How do I know whether someone has picked this up please? | 22:13 |
| Frye | AL13N_lizzy, yes the license is set in the .yaml file. | 22:13 |
| Frye | There is a field for that | 22:13 |
| Frye | And the .spec is generated from that | 22:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: oic | 22:14 |
| * AL13N_lizzy is a Mageia contributor, so, i didn't know | 22:14 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: you kind of don't know | 22:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: chances are high, though | 22:14 |
| Frye | Well this is all new for me =) | 22:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 22:14 |
| Frye | So I'm waiting like a child waits for xmas presents to see it in the store :D | 22:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: some of the community are trying to push for some kind of buglist, we'll see what happens | 22:15 |
| Kabouik | Frye: I think my SD card we mounted this afternoon is not accessible. I'm trying to copy files to the mounting point over ssh, but now I get errors for every file writing attempt | 22:16 |
| Kabouik | Probably filled the device | 22:16 |
| Morpog_PC | msknight, when it's reproducible, write steps howto, then ping a jolla employe in here | 22:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: is there some kind of menu option to sync storelist? update? | 22:16 |
| Kabouik | (and couldn't have filled the 64 GB) | 22:16 |
| msknight | AL13N_lizzy, Well, the Jolla's just going to have to sit in a drawer until some form of bug list is up and running. I know I wasn't expecting a fully featured phone, but this isn't usable. | 22:16 |
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| Frye | AL13N_lizzy, not that I know | 22:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Frye: anyway, i've heard people say similar things, so i expect it'll be there tomorrow | 22:17 |
| phdeswer | msknight: the from thing in email is known | 22:17 |
| Frye | Yeah, I'm not worried yet | 22:17 |
| msknight | phako_, Thanks. It's good to know that someone knows ... if you know what I mean. | 22:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: are they gonna allow having multiple identities? that would be nice | 22:18 |
| phdeswer | Can't speak for the email devs | 22:18 |
| phdeswer | But I am sure it will be considered if it can be done and UI guys find a way to integrate it nicely | 22:19 |
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| msknight | phdeswer, It was also asking for a username/password after changing e-mail settings, but there was no clue as to which e-mail or password that it actually wanted. | 22:19 |
| phdeswer | msknight: ok. Will pass it on. | 22:20 |
| * phdeswer has moved fully to webmail for years | 22:20 | |
| phdeswer | So I never ever use any email app on my phone. And don't need to wory about losing mail or sensitive data when I lose it. | 22:20 |
| msknight | phdeswer, In the absence of a bug reporting system, I'm probably going to keep a blog page somewhere, where i can easily post screen shots and things, and able to blank things out ... and I'll come back here with links to what I find. | 22:21 |
| Dima^ | imap+swipe | 22:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i have my own domain, and i use IMAP for everything | 22:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: though i do have a webmail too | 22:21 |
| phdeswer | msknight: that sure is a good way to give me something to reference | 22:21 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | msknight: good thinking | 22:22 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: different people, different use cases. For me the Jolla is the best phone I ever had. Only thing I miss is a HW keyboard. | 22:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: sure | 22:22 |
| msknight | phdeswer, Will do. In the mean time, if there is any advice on how to get Micro SD cards running without having to be an ace dev, I'd be grateful :-D | 22:22 |
| * lpotter hates webmail | 22:23 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i have to admit to have rarely used the imap stuff on the android phone, because it wasn't easy to see the other folders | 22:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: i don't like it either | 22:23 |
| lpotter | I only use it if I have to and to configure things sometimes | 22:23 |
| Morpog_PC | imap idle support would be great, worked like a charm on harmattan | 22:24 |
| pigletto | msknight: there is: http://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/94/bugzilla-report-all-observed-sailfish-bugs-here but I'm not sure if it really works | 22:25 |
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| pigletto | msknight: anyway I've reported some email issues there | 22:26 |
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| msknight | pigletto, It seems to be there, but it is "unofficial". | 22:26 |
| * AL13N_lizzy sighs | 22:27 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's already started | 22:27 |
| pigletto | msknight: yup, but there is no official tracker :( | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pigletto: msknight: probably no dev will ever look there | 22:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | pigletto: msknight: at least devs are here (and on devel@ ML) | 22:28 |
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| pigletto | AL13N_lizzy: but I think this way of reporting bugs can't work well | 22:31 |
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| msknight | OK - here's another one. I've been watching the pre-loaded videos, but I can't find a way to go back to the gallery. I've got to push the videos off, then kill the gallery app and re-start it. | 22:31 |
| pigletto | AL13N_lizzy: I've already written here about problems with email application and I don't even know if it was noticed | 22:31 |
| pigletto | so official tracker is a must IMO | 22:32 |
| Frye | msknight, tap on the video | 22:32 |
| Frye | on top of it comes detail screen | 22:32 |
| Frye | and then you can swipe left to go back | 22:32 |
| MarkusA_ | hi everyone, i'm wondering is it a good time to get Jolla phone, i have n9 and i'm perfectly happy with that, but would like to get a even better phone, any advice on that would be greatly appreciated. | 22:33 |
| msknight | Frye, Ah! | 22:33 |
| MarkusA_ | so is Jolla better, should i wait for some bug fixes etc? | 22:33 |
| Frye | Same with the photos. | 22:33 |
| Frye | MarkusA_, that depends =) | 22:34 |
| Frye | I tossed my N9 to my wife | 22:34 |
| MarkusA_ | on what? | 22:34 |
| MarkusA_ | my wife got nexus 4 | 22:34 |
| Frye | There are some bits and pieces missing still. | 22:34 |
| MarkusA_ | but not bad? | 22:34 |
| Frye | I like it very much | 22:34 |
| msknight | OK - you know what ... to hell with it. When I get my new SIM, I'll make the Jolla my main phone and live with it. Be prepared for loads of bug reports and newbie questions ... because I have a reputation! | 22:35 |
| Frye | =) | 22:35 |
| Frye | That's the spirit | 22:35 |
| Frye | I need to get my companys zimbra emails and calendar synced and I'll change too. | 22:35 |
| cvp | re | 22:35 |
| MarkusA_ | does exhange sync work? | 22:35 |
| msknight | Frye: You're going to regret saying that :-) | 22:35 |
| till | good point Frye, how to sync calendar? | 22:36 |
| Frye | Well zimbra _should_ sync with MfE | 22:36 |
| Frye | And I got calendar synced once | 22:36 |
| Frye | but no mails yet | 22:36 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: wow, very scary indeed | 22:36 |
| * till is currently downloading microsoft exchange server evluation edition... | 22:37 | |
| Venemo | till: what for? | 22:37 |
| msknight | OK - USB connected and phone put in to PC mode. However, no extra drives are showing in Linux file manager. | 22:37 |
| till | to get my nokia belle calendar synced to the jolla phone | 22:38 |
| phdeswer | msknight: PC mode? PC connection? | 22:39 |
| phdeswer | Well MTP devices might not show up in your file manager like that on Linux. | 22:40 |
| phdeswer | It depends a bit on the distro, your settings etc... | 22:40 |
| phdeswer | It does for me automagically luckily | 22:40 |
| MarkusA_ | dmesg shows if any file device is connected. | 22:40 |
| msknight | OK - well, crunch bang isn't seeing it. I'll try Mint (although Nemo is driving me nuts in Mint, it's sort is all wrong!) | 22:41 |
| phdeswer | Try gphoto or shotwell, amarok or so, they usually see this kind of devices | 22:41 |
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| phdeswer | msknight: works in debian based Mint for me | 22:41 |
| msknight | I usually just access the drive and shift files off it that way. I prefer minimalist things rather than firing up apps all the time to do simple tasks. | 22:41 |
| Frye | Ok, time for one more check on the jolla store and off to bed | 22:42 |
| msknight | "Failed to get folder list - error -1" | 22:42 |
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| msknight | Do all Jolla shipped to the UK only come with a European plug, by the way? | 22:43 |
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| phdeswer | msknight: you're not alone. But unfortunately mass-storage is a pain to get right and limits things on the device side really badly | 22:43 |
| phdeswer | msknight: Some laptops and PC's have sucky USB3 ports, so it seems to fail sometimes on those ports. USB2 ports work 100% usually | 22:44 |
| phdeswer | And if you want to copy files, scp/sftp is waaaay faster. Less overhead than MTP | 22:44 |
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| msknight | OK, what's the best way to talk with the device for that kind of transfer then? Put it on the wlan, I take it? Is there a default username/password to use? | 22:45 |
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| pigletto | msknight: enable 'Developer mode' in settings | 22:46 |
| phdeswer | msknight: enable developer mode. | 22:46 |
| pigletto | msknight: and username is 'nemo' | 22:46 |
| phdeswer | You can then ssh/scp/sftp over USB and wifi | 22:46 |
| phdeswer | password and ip etc can be viewed/set in the developer mode UI | 22:46 |
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| msknight | Urgh. I was hoping to get away without enabling developer mode; I'm a techy that morphed in to a user champion! | 22:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | developer mode is a must :D | 22:48 |
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| MarkusA_ | what, ssh over USB?, how does that work, is there some network created on usb device? | 22:48 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 22:48 |
| MarkusA_ | face modem, with ppp? | 22:49 |
| MarkusA_ | fake | 22:49 |
| Morpog_PC | rndis | 22:49 |
| petantik | msknight: my jolla came with european plug only. | 22:50 |
| MarkusA_ | cool | 22:50 |
| phdeswer | MarkusA_: no fake modem or ppp. RNDIS is supported by default on Linux and Windows Vista and up out of the box | 22:50 |
| MarkusA_ | i figured that it really only worked for windows. | 22:50 |
| phdeswer | A small inf file is needed for Win XP and Mac OS X needs the Horndis driver | 22:51 |
| MarkusA_ | not bad. | 22:52 |
| phdeswer | msknight: it is just that some power user features are hidden behind developer mode ;) | 22:52 |
| msknight | "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". | 22:53 |
| msknight | User name? | 22:53 |
| msknight | Oh - nemo - sorry | 22:53 |
| msknight | OK - I seem to have SSH, but not SFTP. | 22:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: that would be expected, wouldn't it? since it only ships to EU atm? | 22:55 |
| MarkusA_ | damm, i'm running old patched slackware, most likely that rndis would require some dammed new module to my kernel (rndis_host seems to be best bet atm). | 22:55 |
| phdeswer | msknight: scp is almost similar. And I find it handier to use usually | 22:55 |
| phdeswer | MarkusA_: oh rndis has been supported in linux for ages. I believe any 2.6 should have it | 22:55 |
| msknight | I'm not immediatley familiar with it ... but I can learn :-) | 22:55 |
| phdeswer | It's like cp, except there is some stuff in front | 22:56 |
| MarkusA_ | 00:50 < MarkusA_> i figured that it really only worked for windows. | 22:56 |
| MarkusA_ | uh | 22:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i like rsync though | 22:56 |
| MarkusA_ | 2.6.14 | 22:56 |
| phdeswer | for example. scp ~/weird-file-I want-to-copy nemo@<usb-ip>:~/Documents/ | 22:57 |
| msknight | Yup, reading up on it now. Just like telnet in the old days. | 22:57 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: true we have that on the device too | 22:57 |
| msknight | OK - Um ... maybe it isn't. | 22:57 |
| pigletto | msknight: you can use Filezilla to connect | 22:57 |
| msknight | pigletto, Please do tell me how... I only have FTP and SFTP listed. | 22:58 |
| pigletto | msknight: use sftp | 22:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you probably can select protocol scp in the sftp thing | 22:58 |
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| pigletto | msknight: enter IP, username 'nemo' and your password | 22:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: rsync is very powerful | 22:59 |
| msknight | Oh ... damn ... I was still on FTP default. | 22:59 |
| * msknight slaps forehead | 22:59 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i had to teach it to my wife, due to preserving of time stamps | 22:59 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: it is indeed. | 23:00 |
| msknight | I need another job ... this one is turning me in to a vegetable! | 23:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: too bad the Jolla kernel is too old... i'm not certain i can used btrfs snapshot send/receive for remote replication :-) | 23:00 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: well we would like it newer too. But we're a 2 man kernel team and we only had so much time... | 23:01 |
| msknight | Ah heck ... my auto-wlan time out just shut me down :-( ... that means time to go to bed. | 23:03 |
| phlixi | god knight then msknight :) | 23:03 |
| msknight | Night night! Sheesh ... it is just like being a teenager again ... only I'm having to put myself to bed. | 23:04 |
| Kabouik | chriadam|away: just in case, two occurrences of the .vcf issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1398431&postcount=182, and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1398466&postcount=197 | 23:04 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: if you have the same username on TMO I answered your USB ssh stuff. Feel free to ask if you are not understanding something | 23:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: the btrfs people told me that an upgrade to higher btrfs version would be preferable... :-) | 23:05 |
| Kabouik | Might be useful if you share the temporary workaround you gave to me, even though it did not solve 100% of the issue, it was a big progress | 23:06 |
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| Kabouik | phdeswer are you Philippe? Currently answering on TMO :p | 23:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: in any case, there's the 3rd party hardware adaptations, the open source qcom that doesn't work, but the new ltsi kernel would still be nice :-) | 23:06 |
| msknight | IN case anyone wants - this is me - http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michelle-knight/2b/709/258 | 23:06 |
| msknight | See you all tomorrow, no doubt. | 23:06 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: yep that's me | 23:06 |
| Kabouik | I'm gonna answer so that the discussion on the forum stays | 23:06 |
| Kabouik | But I did enable the dev mode | 23:07 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: Sure things like that would be nice :) | 23:07 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i can hope, can't i? :-) | 23:07 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: but you need to connect the USB in developer mode too. If you have MTP you're in the wrong mode. | 23:07 |
| Kabouik | And I know tethering is something different, but I was advised here to search with these terms because if you can tether, then you can conect to the device through IP, and there might be more occurrences | 23:07 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: well pay us another 6-8 kernel devs and I will glady push the effort ahead ;) | 23:08 |
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| Kabouik | Yes I know, my post was confusing! I was just trying to make clear that basic MTP mode works in case my USB issue was fuzzy | 23:08 |
| Kabouik | But I did try with Developper USB mode | 23:08 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: I am quickly going to read your answer | 23:08 |
| phdeswer | Can't see it. Anyway | 23:09 |
| phdeswer | So developer mode selected when you connect. | 23:09 |
| phdeswer | Then you need to set up the USB network ip on your pc/laptop | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | Yes, there's the issue | 23:09 |
| phdeswer | If you are unlucky enough to be on a Mac you need to install an extra driver first | 23:09 |
| Kabouik | I'm on W8.1, think it's worse | 23:09 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: nope W8.1 supports rndis out of the bix | 23:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: how much Jolla sales are those? | 23:10 |
| phdeswer | s/bix/box/ | 23:10 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: a lot I am afraid. | 23:10 |
| Kabouik | Well so I don't understand how to do it phdeswer | 23:10 |
| Kabouik | Tried "New network/To the internet/blablabla/NDIS connection" | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but 6-8 extra devs for a newer kernel version... you're exagerrating, i know it's not high on the priority list, but still | 23:11 |
| Kabouik | Then it asks me a phone number for the modem, a username and a password | 23:11 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: that is why it is not USB tethering at all. It tries to do the old style modem crap. | 23:11 |
| phdeswer | And not USB network | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: anyway, still waiting on the chance to actually buy one | 23:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jolla on ebay: 2 phones left: $790 and 550£ both are less than a day | 23:12 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: I will try to help but since I have not worked with windows 8 yet I do not know how well the network settings are hidden these days | 23:12 |
| Kabouik | Very well hidden. | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | It was OK in XP, but their new crap since Vista is awful | 23:13 |
| phdeswer | But it comes down to plug in the USB in developer mode, find the rndis/usb interface and set an ip. | 23:13 |
| Kabouik | Tends to get slightly better with 8, but still a long way to something good. | 23:13 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: indeed. I always spend ages trying to find them | 23:13 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: if you're nice we might work something out for you. Or if we get desperate for clients ;) | 23:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 23:15 |
| phdeswer | Santa is from Finland after all ;) | 23:15 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 23:15 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: otoh the ip thing is fixed internally already. So with one of the coming updates it will just work without you needing to find the network settings | 23:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i assume since you're a dev, that Stskeeps has already pushed you to see "Riot-On!" ? i just saw it last night... it's ... insane! | 23:16 |
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| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: I heard about it yes :) But been too busy coding ;) | 23:17 |
| phdeswer | And giving support | 23:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hmm, maybe it's for the best that you haven't seen it then :-) | 23:18 |
| Kabouik | I can wait phdeswer if it is going to work properly, but apparently it's just me doing something wrong with 8.1 so it's frustrating not to get better and make it work as it should :p | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gtg sleep, bye all | 23:18 |
| Kabouik | And by the way, about tethering, if possible someday, it would surely be good too! | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Kabouik: manually, it should be possible | 23:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (if you mean wifi AP mode) | 23:18 |
| phdeswer | Kabouik: I am working on that for USB. Have it working already, actually trying to sort the UI. | 23:19 |
| Kabouik | Wifi might be, I actually expect that someday (from community or Jolla, doesn't matter) | 23:19 |
| phdeswer | And then it needs testing, bug fixing and polishing | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Kabouik: if not, it's no more than just ip_forward and iptables and default routing | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 23:19 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: and to automate that it is pretty damn difficult actually | 23:19 |
| Kabouik | But USB would be good too. Just got saving energy, at least, or for I'm home with my desktop with no WiFi receiver, and a broken internet connection (quite often) | 23:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: hahaha yes | 23:20 |
| Kabouik | Great phdeswer | 23:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: also what if multiple internet connections are set? | 23:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 23:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | do i prefer one type, or try advanced routing to use them all? | 23:20 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though choices the end user doesn't want to make | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | My English is so broken... Sorry. I sleped 5 hours since sunday :/ | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | Last sentence was horrid. | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | slept :/ | 23:21 |
| Kabouik | "sleped"... -_- | 23:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: the real trick is getting back to something operational when turning it off :-) | 23:22 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: well all those cases are bloody hard to cover. I mostly focused on the "I am with my laptop in train/airport/in my holiday villa in a sunny place, I plug in the USB cable, choose the right mode and I have internet through my phone" | 23:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 23:23 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: UK plug is different. | 23:23 |
| Kabouik | Would be good already phdeswer | 23:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | petantik: really? UK doesn't have same plugs? | 23:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | how odd | 23:23 |
| petantik | AL13N_lizzy: three rectangular prongs | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | And they are quite bulky by the way, compared to US | 23:25 |
| Kabouik | Or EU (two pins version) | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Kabouik: On the plus side, they are great for security. | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Kabouik: you can use them to kill intruders. | 23:27 |
| Kabouik | . | 23:27 |
| Kabouik | That's indeed some relevant design here. | 23:28 |
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| Kabouik | Brits always have terrific ideas. | 23:28 |
| Kabouik | http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2009/11/ithrust.png Like that, too. | 23:29 |
| petantik | harder to pull out accidentally | 23:29 |
| petantik | or deliberately... | 23:29 |
| Kabouik | http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/4C/7D8D24D8CFAC3BBBEAC5953CD2B24.jpg :') | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/space_skylon.html | 23:29 |
| Kabouik | Well, the Skylon is actually an interesting concept :p | 23:30 |
| nander | Wow, jolla, if the stats in our google docs sheet are even remotely accurate, good job! | 23:32 |
| nander | That'd mean 32% of preorders have arrived, 14% are shipped and 27% in picking | 23:32 |
| nander | A mere 25% not started yet | 23:32 |
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