| sledges | Yaniel, yes, if it's Nokia Lumia ;) | 00:01 |
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| sledges | had to resuscitate several dead lumias by transplanting battery to n9 *g* | 00:01 |
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| sledges | the saddest part, Lumia 800 couldn't even charge itself whilst being powered off :)) | 00:02 |
| sledges | self-bricked that is.. | 00:02 |
| Acce | I hope whoever did the HW design put in the possibility to use the device with external power when charger is plugged | 00:02 |
| Acce | so far it seems that you can only load the battery and when the battery is full, charging stops and battery is used | 00:03 |
| Acce | hopefully it's configurable by software | 00:03 |
| * sledges wonders what Nemo on N9 does.. | 00:04 | |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:52 |
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| DrainBamaged | Mornin' | 07:55 |
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| hene- | http://murobbs.plaza.fi/taskumuro-puhelimet-taulutietokoneet-ja-muut-mobiililaitteet/1067143-jollan-puhelimen-ja-sailfish-kayttojarjestelman-kayttokokemukset-24.html#post1712274361 | 08:19 |
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| Chaz6 | moonspeak :3 | 08:30 |
| ericc | morning | 08:33 |
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| ShadowJK | moonspeak and broken screen | 08:35 |
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| Bysmyyr | cybette: one small improvement to sdk: when installing you have graphical tool for selecting installation folder but not src folder :p | 09:19 |
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| FireFly | Hm, battery power fell from ~82% to ~12% overnight.. I wonder how it'd manage a full day | 09:27 |
| FireFly | (with virtually nothing running, only connected to wifi) | 09:27 |
| hene- | yep, seems that device drains battery pretty good | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | what version? | 09:29 |
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| FireFly | Latest; I updated yesterday | 09:30 |
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| FireFly | 1.0.1.10 apparently, according to "About product" | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: what accounts do you have? | 09:31 |
| FireFly | Jolla, and I tried to setup a mail account but didn't get it to work (probably wrong credentials/port number/something, but hard to tell since I can't see any indication of when it went wrong) | 09:32 |
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| FireFly | I guess maybe it's due to polling the mail server.. | 09:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Did someone also report that when on charger, it charges to full, stops, and never restarts? | 09:45 |
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| hene- | any idea when sailfish can be installed on androids? :) | 09:47 |
| sledges | hene-: already possible | 09:47 |
| hene- | oh | 09:48 |
| sledges | but needs lots of digging | 09:48 |
| ln- | http://www.hs.fi/tekniikka/HS+testasi+Jolla+on+keskener%C3%A4inen+puhelin+t%C3%A4ynn%C3%A4+nokkelia+oivalluksia/a1386925176494 | 09:48 |
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| hene- | sledges, okey | 09:48 |
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| sledges | hene-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWQZJcEwEow | 09:49 |
| sledges | nemo ports first, then sailfish (like with n9 already happened) | 09:49 |
| hene- | nice. I was thinking sailfish to nexus5 | 09:50 |
| sledges | digging starts with links from that video | 09:50 |
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| hene- | I think it is better me to wait gurus to improve those.. :) | 09:51 |
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| hene- | sledges: do you know does all sailfish functionalites work on androids? or is there still something...? | 09:56 |
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| sledges | when port is done will see | 09:57 |
| hene- | ok | 09:57 |
| sledges | all depends on cyanogen mod support for a given android device | 09:57 |
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| hene- | yep, okey | 09:59 |
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| MMori | my battery drained by ~20% in 11hours, i only had wifi+mail on. no sim attached yet | 09:59 |
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| AJAX555 | What! I'm not Samuel Kovac! | 10:33 |
| AJAX555 | and I'm not from UK! ;D | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | AJAX555: what happened? | 10:35 |
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| AJAX555 | apparently someone did something in that .xls file @google drive | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah, ok | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | thought you got a jolla adressed to somebody else | 10:36 |
| AJAX555 | and my order ended up as Samuel Kovacs | 10:36 |
| AJAX555 | Stskeeps: heh, no I didn't | 10:36 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: yeah, somebody broke it | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: my order was hijacked by somebody as well (it doesn't help that i keep it anonymous) | 10:37 |
| ggabriel | AJAX555: so now it has a spurious user, not sure it won't get hijacked anyway | 10:38 |
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| AJAX555 | someone is just jealous of us! | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | all this jelly people | 10:39 |
| ggabriel | actually, i'll make a critical change in row 1 | 10:39 |
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| ggabriel | s/dumbs/very smart people/ | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | now they'll read it | 10:40 |
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| ortylp | There is revision control in place, if someone knows what was the last correct version, then it is easy to restore... | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: critical condition there, I don't think anybody knows the right version. And also that relies on google doing version control correctly | 10:48 |
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| ortylp | ggabriel: just check if names fit to order numbers, and I bet revision control at Google must be right :D | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | yeah, i don't know, i'm not owning this spreadsheet tbh | 10:49 |
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| ggabriel | just fixed my line | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | actually readded it | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | also: this spreadsheet has a lifespan of max 2 more weeks | 10:49 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | nice, it appears coderus is making an WhatsApp client | 10:51 |
| ortylp | Jolla has all this information available, but probably cannot (and does not want to) make it public, so this is another case of wasting resources on reverse engineering... this is sad | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: it's just for fun | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | to be honest with you, this is much healthier than waiting in line in front of a store overnight | 10:53 |
| AJAX555 | wouldn't call it reverse engineering | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: especially in finland! | 10:53 |
| ortylp | ggabriel: you are right | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: true :) | 10:54 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, it actually ready afaik, but he doesn't have a device so he cannot test and push it, afaik | 10:54 |
| mikhas | does OTR chat work with Jolla phones? | 10:55 |
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| TheBootroo | can someone fluent in finnish translate this in english (or french) for me ? googletranslator makes it unlegible http://mobiili.fi/2013/12/10/jolla-sailfish-arvostelu/ | 11:06 |
| TheBootroo | seem to be the biggest review of the jolla so far | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's nice: https://twitter.com/JanneEdelman/status/411794737222680576/photo/1 | 11:08 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: still waiting to see an ad for jolla in france... | 11:09 |
| TheBootroo | or even meet someone in the city that has one | 11:09 |
| fk_lx | The word BETA very visible near logo | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | set expectations straight | 11:13 |
| nahkiss | TheBootroo: yeaaa. hold my beer while I translate | 11:13 |
| TheBootroo | nahkiss: quite long article, you'll need some days | 11:14 |
| TheBootroo | your beer won't be fresh anymore | 11:14 |
| TheBootroo | XD | 11:14 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: you are very active on IRC recently, anyway lot of conversations happening here | 11:16 |
| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; i'll summarize | 11:16 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: thx | 11:16 |
| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; "Quality feel", The much spoken of TOH despite looking like half the phone, is infact very similar to phone covers of yesterday. Jolla has taken it a step further, with theme changing to match the cover. Unfortunately, here the issues for feel starts, as the cover is just a cover, and the plastic creaks. It will only get worse with time as you swap covers back and forth | 11:18 |
| * ShadowJK reads on | 11:18 | |
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| ShadowJK | .. rattling volume rocker | 11:19 |
| TheBootroo | the plastic creaks ?? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | the cover creaks but it's damn solid | 11:19 |
| ShadowJK | .. blah blah comparing it to other phones, whining about curvatures here and there | 11:20 |
| Morpog_ | wow, this is weird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1vhYjzD0ew | 11:21 |
| ShadowJK | Speaker at the bottom, although there are symmetrical 4 groups of two holes, only the left side has a speaker (the other openings have microphones) | 11:22 |
| ShadowJK | As for sound quality and sound volume, Jolla is at best average. We compared it to 5S, and Jolla was clearly inferior | 11:23 |
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| ShadowJK | .. low screen resolution, though not noticed in real life that often, mostly on small text. | 11:24 |
| fk_lx | btw. I have a serious question, asked by a friend, if there will be Sailfish avaliable for Android phones, which offer better specs for the same price, won't that damage Jolla's own hardware sells? | 11:24 |
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| ShadowJK | colour reproduction is excellent | 11:25 |
| TheBootroo | great | 11:25 |
| ShadowJK | White balance, brightness and contrast poor | 11:25 |
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| TheBootroo | if they compare to oled, that's quite normal | 11:26 |
| Morpog_ | fk_lx I guess it's the google nexus thing here for jolla devices - faster updates, best compatibility | 11:26 |
| Morpog_ | best hackability | 11:27 |
| MMori | Could anyone give me a quick tutorial on how to run my sailfish app on my Jolla device. (That could also be added to the Help in QtCreator) | 11:27 |
| Morpog_ | MMori #sailfishos is better suited for such questions | 11:28 |
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| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; this thing is long and boring | 11:30 |
| walokra | MMori: how about the Set ARM kit to deploy to device section on https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html ? | 11:30 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: hehe, ok, thanks for the part you've done | 11:31 |
| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; the reviewer likes gesture control | 11:31 |
| MMori | walokra: Thank you! | 11:31 |
| ShadowJK | The reviewer wishes jolla would provide more hints and helps to the user on how to use the interface | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | "Youtube videos alone do not reach a big audience" | 11:32 |
| TheBootroo | ShadowJK: didn't he see the tutorial at first start of the phone ? it explains very well the gestures | 11:32 |
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| ShadowJK | He wants indicators and hints built in | 11:32 |
| walokra | after a day of on-off use the gestures are like second nature | 11:33 |
| walokra | but you have to "guess" where you can find different functions | 11:33 |
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| ShadowJK | 1 gig ram, "judging by user experience, 2g wouldn't hurt" | 11:34 |
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| ShadowJK | "Jolla slows down with a couple of apps open, and android apps stop working entirely." | 11:35 |
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| ShadowJK | "The saddest bug I've encountered is the clock drifting up to 15 minutes from correct time." | 11:35 |
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| Kiranos | love the use of beta in a newsletter ad :) | 11:37 |
| Kiranos | think that is the first I've seen it on, my mother would be like "beta"? ehh whatever that means.. | 11:38 |
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| ShadowJK | of browser: it feels unpreditable. no landscape. no fullscreen youtube. No back/forward gesture. Plus points that youtube videos don't stop playing if you switch to another app. | 11:39 |
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| ShadowJK | of maps.. basic nokia here mapps, no navigation, no compass support, north is always up map | 11:41 |
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| ShadowJK | ... test of word, excel, powerpoint and .txt ... txt doesn't go to Documents, pdf opens quickly and smoothly, powerpoint took ages to open and didn't look right, excel document crashed and gave an ugly error message, word document also crashed without error messages, .. The documents app leaves a bad taste in mouth | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | Calculator gets praise for its ability to use previous results in new calculations | 11:45 |
| metallisto | the sheet is total shiit now | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | The camera is said to fare pretty well compared to the competition, even in dusk. but its weak flash makes it inferior in dark | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: thanks for translating! | 11:49 |
| ShadowJK | I'm skipping all the "this is how X works" stuff, and concentrating on the opinions/critique/etc :) | 11:50 |
| metallisto | not the best review | 11:50 |
| walokra | he compares jolla to other mainstream phones which isn't quite fair | 11:51 |
| ShadowJK | .. Recent OS update seems to have improved connectivity stability somewhat, though wlan still stops working without explanation from time to time. | 11:51 |
| walokra | *mainstream high end phones | 11:51 |
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| ShadowJK | .. Usb connectivity works perfectly and as expected on windows 7, but nothing happens on OS X. iPhoto image synchronization looks like it starts, but fails. | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | ... As a phone, Jolla works to the point. Not a single dropped call or other disturbances | 11:53 |
| Morpog_ | great :) | 11:54 |
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| ShadowJK | .. the vibrate is weak, for example phone vibrating on table can be hard to notice. The sound through speaker gets distorted at max volume quite easily | 11:54 |
| nander | 48.01% left at 'paid' | 11:58 |
| nander | I'm still at paid | 11:59 |
| ShadowJK | as for android apps... Some work perfectly, some don't work... landscape works.. all slow.. Messaging apps a bit crippled because they have to be opened in order to work. hopefully android support and speed will improve | 11:59 |
| nander | So it's too slow for 3D games at the moment? | 11:59 |
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| ShadowJK | and the summary... Still can't be recommended to normal users | 12:00 |
| ggabriel | thanks again ShadowJK | 12:01 |
| ortylp | ShadowJK: does osmand work? | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | i'm surprised the voice/sound quality comparison with ithing 5s | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | since folks say that jolla is better than 9 | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | n9 even | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | and n9 is def better than ithing 4 | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | so 5s must be >> 4 | 12:01 |
| nander | You mean crackphone? | 12:01 |
| ShadowJK | ... Jolla picked the right price point at 400E, avoiding competing with high end competitors.. though perhaps it would have been better to charge 200E more and spend it on more CPU and RAM. Part of Jolla's problems would've been fixed by more money | 12:01 |
| ggabriel | lol | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | i love the last sentence | 12:02 |
| nander | I just don't get why they didn't spend 20 EUR more on another GB of ram | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | most things would be fixed by more money | 12:02 |
| nander | Or just blast everyone away with 4 GB of ram | 12:02 |
| VDVsx | nander, games run quite well actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zfrjUJed_w | 12:02 |
| ggabriel | nander: that has been an overly discussed topic ;) | 12:02 |
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| ortylp | nander: I wander that too.. maybe power consumption/GB i too high | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil can probably confirm or deny, but I would imagine 1G - 2G is a lot more than 20 bucks, a 4gig would probably require a 64bit processor to sanely support.. | 12:03 |
| nander | PAE -> not needed | 12:03 |
| nander | You just can't address more than 3.2 GB in one Virtual Memory | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know arm had PAE | 12:04 |
| nander | Don't know if it has | 12:04 |
| nander | I thought it was a kernel feature, not an architecture feature | 12:04 |
| nander | 1G -> 2G shouldn't be that expensive I think | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | it's architecture feature | 12:04 |
| ggabriel | ? | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | 32bit addresses 4GB surely? | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | Yes but all the IO is in the same space | 12:05 |
| ggabriel | memory addresses in arm are 32bit, aren't they? | 12:05 |
| nander | They probably are by default | 12:05 |
| nander | (in 32 bit arch) | 12:05 |
| nander | Jolla runs a 32 bit dual core | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | Not all SoCs have enough physical pins to address 2gigs of ram | 12:06 |
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| ortylp | then wee need TOH with more Am :D | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | I bet it costs more than 20 bucks to get 2gig ram in a phone :P | 12:07 |
| ortylp | RAM | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | ShadowJK: ok, fair enough | 12:08 |
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| ggabriel | i was 99% sure that you can stick a full memory address in a 32bit register | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | if the soc has a limitation, that's something i wouldn't know | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | as i recall this from programming the raspberry pi | 12:08 |
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| ggabriel | (and i'm pretty sad coz i can't find the assembly source i wrote :P ) | 12:08 |
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| ShadowJK | ... though rationally Jolla can't be said to be a winner in any category, I find myself with a strange desire to use it continously. Perhaps it's a desire for something new, being different. standing out. You need emotional reasons for using a Jolla phone, rational motivations are not enough. | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | ortylp: unsure that ram reads/writes can be handled by the i2c bus... | 12:09 |
| ShadowJK | i2c is sloooooow. | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | ShadowJK: so, he/she wants it but he doesn't like it | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | it's like marriage | 12:10 |
| ShadowJK | ... Good: SailfishOS base. Distinctive design. TOH potential. Android support. | 12:11 |
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| walokra | if i could get google calendar and work exchange to work on jolla, that would be great | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | i personally prefer caldav | 12:12 |
| ggabriel | which is in the pipeline | 12:13 |
| ggabriel | in fact, i may not be able to use the jolla as my main phone until caldav is up and running | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | ... Bad: Android support problems. Quality feel. Lack of CPU and RAM. Average screen. Battery life. Learning curve required to use sailfishos. Missing functionality (4G, navigation, landscape, cloud services) | 12:13 |
| ShadowJK | The reviewer hopes the performance issues will improve with updates | 12:14 |
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| ggabriel | ShadowJK: thanks again, i'm really curious about reviews, and this seems like a good balanced one | 12:17 |
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| ShadowJK | well | 12:18 |
| ShadowJK | I find most reviews stupid | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | for sound quality it seems like the loudest wins | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | regardless, it's what people read | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | and for screen it seems like the closer you get to a light sabre the better it is | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | and in fact, "expert" people who then recommend the phone to others | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | just get lasers shooting people in the eye | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | idea for toh? | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | :) | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | light sabre other half | 12:20 |
| ShadowJK | "holy shit that's bright, this screen obviously wins" | 12:20 |
| nander | I find most screens way too bright | 12:21 |
| nander | Yes, you can still read them while on the surface of the sun | 12:21 |
| nander | But.. they blind you when you try to read them in a dark room | 12:22 |
| ShadowJK | When switching song when driving in the dark I wish the darkest setting was darker :) | 12:22 |
| nander | In my opinion the jolla lacks one thing | 12:23 |
| nander | AMOLED | 12:23 |
| nander | I don't care about the resolution | 12:23 |
| nander | Any resolution above 800*480 is decent enough | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure the jolla lacks many things | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | but i don't think jolla will give you a mid and high end option any time soon | 12:24 |
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| ggabriel | i'm not sure i'd spend ~1000 eur in a high end option anyway | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | seeing as phones last very little | 12:24 |
| nander | The current Jolla costs around 16 eur per month | 12:25 |
| nander | If you use it for 2 years | 12:25 |
| nander | 2 years is reasonable | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | that's the lifespan usually | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | well, my n9 is olde | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | +r | 12:25 |
| nander | My n9 is one | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | my 5800 was almost 3 :) | 12:25 |
| nander | But it's second hand ;) | 12:25 |
| nander | My devices before that all ran for 1 year or so ;) | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | ithings last until the next ithing comes out | 12:26 |
| nander | At a prize of below 80 eur xD | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | (1st or 2nd hand) | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | the n9 was quite pricey when i bought it new | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | but i'd do it again | 12:26 |
| nander | ithings last long | 12:26 |
| nander | Way longer than you claim in your post | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | nander: the issue is that people want the next ithing | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | of course they last longer | 12:27 |
| nander | They last for 3 years easily | 12:27 |
| nander | The ithing 5s can be used in 2016 | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | the 1st hand user will use it until the next shiny ithingy comes out | 12:27 |
| nander | And sell it second hand | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | the 2nd hand user then buys from the 1st hand user | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | and so on | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | i've got an ithing 4 | 12:27 |
| nander | Because the ithings keep their value | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | and it's 2.5 years old | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | battery is rubbish | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | has always been | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | after the year it became worse | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | i gave up | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | i plug it in while i use it nowadays | 12:28 |
| nander | I think people have bad memory of the n9 | 12:28 |
| nander | It wasn't good at powersaving | 12:28 |
| nander | Well, you could keep it for 4 days without charging | 12:28 |
| nander | But then it was as useful as a 3310 | 12:28 |
| nander | with a superior screen | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | my n9 is way better than my ithing 4 has ever been | 12:29 |
| nander | If you turn off powersaving and turn on wazapp the power usage is NOT good | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | and it's way better than any nexus 4 or 5 or samsung galaxy | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | i don't use wathsapp :) | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | i tried to and stopped at about the 4th paragraph in their t&c's | 12:29 |
| nander | wazapp requires powersaver to be off | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | so maybe that's the problem ;-) | 12:29 |
| nander | That's the solution | 12:30 |
| FireFly | ShadowJK: I think I agree with most of what you translated from that review | 12:30 |
| nander | If you get people to contact you over other protocols | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | nander: sms? | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | email? | 12:30 |
| nander | yes | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | they actually work | 12:30 |
| nander | Lots of people here just use facebook and whatsapp | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | email is secured and everything | 12:30 |
| FireFly | <ShadowJK> "holy shit that's bright, this screen obviously wins" ← lol, I'm pretty much the other way around | 12:30 |
| FireFly | "darn, this phone has such a high "lowest brightness" setting >.<" | 12:30 |
| FireFly | "how am I supposed to use this in the dark without getting my eyes sore?!" | 12:31 |
| nander | I love how the n9's ui is mostly black | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | nander: i agree though, i'd like a sandbox where whatsapp can only see the address book i tell it to see | 12:31 |
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| ggabriel | and use it | 12:31 |
| nander | Btw, I found the jolla a bit big for my taste | 12:32 |
| nander | I liked the size of the n9 more | 12:32 |
| smokex | mm I like big and skinny | 12:32 |
| smokex | like the galaxy nexus | 12:32 |
| nander | fuck google | 12:32 |
| FireFly | It's certainly big | 12:32 |
| smokex | er thin | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | galaxy nexus wasn't that thin iirc | 12:33 |
| FireFly | And I find it a bit hard to close apps sometimes via the push-down gesture | 12:33 |
| FireFly | Good thing that you can close them from the homescreen too | 12:33 |
| nander | 47.92% ;) | 12:33 |
| nander | 44.4% in picking, 73% shipped, 2.7% received | 12:34 |
| nander | 7.3%* | 12:34 |
| smokex | way thinner than an N9 | 12:34 |
| * ShadowJK 's in paid | 12:34 | |
| nander | Also, there's a hilarious design flaw in jolla | 12:34 |
| nander | It's really bad | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | nander: such as? | 12:35 |
| nander | Open 10 applications | 12:35 |
| nander | One of them will be inaccessible from the homescreen, until you close an app | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | nander: and the punchline is...? | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | nander: not relaly | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | you have to go back to the launcher | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | and it will go back to the multitasking screen | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | the application will remain active | 12:35 |
| nander | So you have to remember which app that was | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | just not in the multitasking screen | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | this is as per guide btw, i don't have the phone yet | 12:35 |
| nander | That's annoying.. | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | nander: if you need it, you'll remember ;) | 12:36 |
| nander | The n9 solution was better | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | nander: also, if you long press you'll see all that are open | 12:36 |
| Morpog_ | nander, press long on multitasking screen and you see all open apps | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | nander: the jolla solution is good to a certain extent | 12:36 |
| nander | ah ;) | 12:36 |
| smokex | yeah it would be nice if they figured out a way to handle > 9 open apps | 12:36 |
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| ggabriel | nander: if you have 1000 applications open, you'd have to scroll down forever to get to the launcher | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | smokex: i agree, there must be an option, or a different application or something | 12:36 |
| FireFly | Maybe scroll left/right on task-manager screen? | 12:36 |
| FireFly | to reveal more | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | for the hardcore user | 12:37 |
| nander | make it so you scroll sideways and put the theme from the launchers | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: that would interfere with the cover actions | 12:37 |
| Morpog_ | i mereley used more than 5 to 6 apps on a daily basis on my n9 | 12:37 |
| FireFly | Oh, good call | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | i think 9 is a good number though | 12:37 |
| nander | because the n9 had a single core 1 GHz | 12:37 |
| Morpog_ | nander, available ram is the magic word here | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | nander: a single core 1ghz cpu which is as fast (in general) to any dual/quad core out there ;) | 12:37 |
| ggabriel | agree re ram | 12:38 |
| nander | depends on the applications | 12:38 |
| FireFly | One hardware design flaw IMO is the placement of the speaker | 12:38 |
| nander | Basic sdl apps can be really lightweight | 12:38 |
| nander | 10 apps, easily | 12:38 |
| FireFly | If you hold the phone in landscape mode (in e.g. a game) you're pretty much guranteed to cover the speaker | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | for most applications, the n9 beats any modern phone IMO | 12:38 |
| ggabriel | (or maybe i'm a faster user than my mates) | 12:38 |
| smokex | placement of the camera isn't too great | 12:38 |
| smokex | theres even a not in the guide to watch that you don't cover it with your fingers | 12:39 |
| hene- | FireFly: I noticed the same thing | 12:39 |
| nander | you don't want to use a phone's speaker anyway | 12:39 |
| nander | Just for calling | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | smokex: it's good for stability | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | but bad for other half and accidental cover | 12:39 |
| Morpog_ | I'm sure they will do lots of stuff better in 2nd device ,) | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | and by the way, there was a video comparison with one lumia (920 or something) | 12:39 |
| nander | if you play music over your speaker you deserve a special kind of hell ;) | 12:39 |
| ggabriel | i was impressed by the stability of the lumia | 12:39 |
| Morpog_ | ggabriel, well, thats the feature the 920 was praised for | 12:40 |
| smokex | lots of jerks play music on their phones on the quiet trains in Brisbane | 12:40 |
| nander | If you compare the cpu with a nexus, the camera with a 920, the battery usage with a 3310, you'll be disappointed | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | nander: the last time i touched a nexus 4, it lagged... | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | it's got 4 cores | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | srsly | 12:40 |
| nander | I meant the nexus 5 | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | the 5 i didn't manage to play with enough | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | nfc sucks in the 5 | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | camera sucks | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | UX sucks | 12:41 |
| Morpog_ | ggabriel, my sister got one, it's smooth as hell, especially with latest updates | 12:41 |
| nander | The jolla doesn't have nfc, other than the oh | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | and i only had it for under 10 minutes | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_: key in "especially with latest updates" innit ;) | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | same could be said about jolla | 12:41 |
| nander | UX is something you have to get used to | 12:41 |
| Morpog_ | ;) | 12:41 |
| Morpog_ | well, our N9 is also crap with PR1.0 ;) | 12:41 |
| smokex | well it has nfc | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | nah, hwen you swipe down in the n5, you have to click a button to get where you want to be | 12:41 |
| smokex | it just isn't being utilised properly | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | you swipe down and you get an empty something | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | so, suppose you want to turn on wlan | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | you swipe down, and then you have to press a button | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | wtf | 12:42 |
| nander | Jolla is amazingly intuitive though | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | the most used os in the mobile world | 12:42 |
| nander | I played with a jolla for 2 minutes or so | 12:42 |
| nander | And then I went back to my n9 | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | agree re nfc, although not too important to me | 12:42 |
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| nander | I was looking for pully menu's and I was trying to swipe back to go back in apps ;) | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | i cna't speak about the jolla as i haven't used it yet | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | nander: lol | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | i still try to double tap my ithing 4 ;) | 12:43 |
| nander | It took me 10 seconds to get used to the new UI | 12:43 |
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| ggabriel | after 2.5 years | 12:43 |
| hene- | ggabriel: are you saying nexus5 is shitty phone? | 12:43 |
| nander | but damm, I'm gonna miss my amoled screen | 12:43 |
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| Morpog_ | I would love to swipe down to close apps on my Nexus 7 tablet :D | 12:43 |
| smokex | that demo when you first turn it on is really helpful | 12:43 |
| nander | I didn't do that demo | 12:43 |
| nander | ;) | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | hene-: no, i'm saying that in my 10' experience, i didn't find it with enough quality, coming from google and all that | 12:43 |
| nander | Because the jolla I played with wasn't mine | 12:43 |
| smokex | aah | 12:44 |
| FireFly | The demo app stays in the app list after the first startup | 12:44 |
| nander | Mine is still 'paid' | 12:44 |
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| nander | I didn't need it xD | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | hene-: i forgot to say bad reception in the n5 (as bad as the n4), worse than ithing 4 | 12:44 |
| hene- | ggabriel: okey, because I have not ever tested one in live. was just thinking that could it be nice phone for porting sailfish in it :) | 12:44 |
| nander | I saw some vids and I used a n9 before | 12:44 |
| FireFly | which is handy if someone wants to play with it, I suppose :p | 12:44 |
| Morpog_ | MIne is "In Picking" since Thirsday | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | hene-: Dave999 in tmo will thank you ;-) | 12:44 |
| Morpog_ | Thursday | 12:44 |
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| hene- | ggabriel: ? :) | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | hene-: he's a memory/cpu fan, and wants to run sailfish os right now on any android device | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | which IMHO is a bit difficult as porting isn't straightforward | 12:45 |
| ggabriel | but anyway | 12:45 |
| hene- | ah, okey yes :) | 12:45 |
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| hene- | I have to just wait for porting system (or what ever it is) will be made easy enough so then I can maybe use it to port sailfish to some other phone | 12:46 |
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| hene- | altough I like my Jolla :) | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | anybody got an in picking/shipped email today btw? or jolla is actually taking the weekend off? | 12:48 |
| Morpog_ | either Jolla or FedEX | 12:52 |
| hene- | what are those "Your Applications" at account.jolla.com? | 12:55 |
| FireFly | It might be for things one has created/published | 12:55 |
| Quu | probably | 12:56 |
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| ortylp | ggabriel: i would like to get my Jolla before Friday (otherwise it means January), but these guys at Jolla need weekends too... well. it looks like conflict of interests :D | 13:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I've got next week off from work, let me come ship devices \o/ | 13:02 |
| FireFly | I'm hoping they get to relax during christmas.. | 13:02 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 13:02 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, jollas going at $800 on ebay | 13:10 |
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| nander | wut | 13:15 |
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| ortylp | Does anybody know what battery can I buy as a backup battery for Jolla? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping mugen will make a mofo big TOH | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | any that fits I guess | 13:19 |
| Chaz6 | What's the deal with qt webengine? Last i heard they were switching from webkit to blink | 13:20 |
| Jonni | ortylp: currently nowhere. | 13:23 |
| ortylp | Jonni: that is bad news... I need at least one (for N9 standard) or two (for N900 standard) a day, the only phone that goes through the day without replacement is SG Note2 :( | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | External batteries are plenty | 13:25 |
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| ShadowJK | but they kinda suck as you need cables | 13:25 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Many #Jolla boxes in the van... will one of these be in your hands soon? Respect to my colleagues working tonight! <3 http://t.co/9s9czZ8wp0 | 13:27 |
| Morpog_Mobile | (https://twitter.com/cybette/status/411642001839243264) | 13:27 |
| ortylp | ShadowJK: the worst thing about replacement/external batteries is that you have to remember to take one (or two) with you | 13:27 |
| ortylp | ShadowJK: with N900 I had one pocket full of (one) N900 and the other one full of replacement batteries | 13:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps; can you be bribed into being a trojan horse? go to jollahw with lots of booze, get them drunk out of their skulls, hijack the most drunken sailor's PC and email TOH drawings to mugen? :D | 13:29 |
| ShadowJK | ortylp; heh, when I used mugen I had 60% left in the evening so I thought what's the point and went back to regular battery :) | 13:29 |
| ortylp | ShadowJK: it depends on usage patterns, N900 gets on one charge through a day if you use it as a my old indestructible Nokia 6110 and not as a PC with GSM functionality. | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 would do a week of that probably | 13:33 |
| Chaz6 | there's a little plug for jolla in http://www.sinny.in/node/36 | 13:33 |
| ortylp | ShadowJK: there is no such thing as enough battery life, RAM and storage :D | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | 43g in use on my N900 | 13:35 |
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| nander | will jolla also get sfml support? | 13:59 |
| nander | or just sdl? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | sfml..? | 13:59 |
| nander | http://www.sfml-dev.org/ | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | when in doubt, assume teledildonics | 13:59 |
| nander | An alternative to SDL | 13:59 |
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| smokex | SDiLdonics? | 14:19 |
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| Yaniel | nander: totally up to the community | 14:28 |
| Yaniel | and sfml devs | 14:28 |
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| Venemo | hi | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 14:50 |
| Venemo | moo Stskeeps :) | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | hi there | 14:50 |
| teve | how I can view what resolver connman is using? | 14:52 |
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| phdeswer | teve: you mean dns? | 14:55 |
| teve | yes | 14:56 |
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| phdeswer | you have console access? | 14:56 |
| teve | yes | 14:56 |
| phdeswer | Its overly complicated. I spent quite some time to work that out. After devel-su : dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=net.connman / net.connman.Manager.GetServices | 14:56 |
| phdeswer | you might want to add | grep service (or cellular if you look for the cellular) | 14:57 |
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| phdeswer | And then dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=net.connman <service path you got from the previous command> net.connman.Service.GetProperties | 14:57 |
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| phdeswer | The last command somewhere in the output has the dns servers. | grep -C 10 Nameserver could limit the output of the last command to what you look for more or less | 14:59 |
| teve | thanks.. seems that on the Nameservers section there is correct nameserver address but it does not work for some reason. | 14:59 |
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| phdeswer | can't help you there... | 15:01 |
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| atlaz | Silly. Clicking the Camera-shutter icon seems to trigger the shutter-sound, even if no photo is taken. But hey, atleast it sounds good when you give the illusion to take 5pics/sec with your smartphone :) | 15:08 |
| Yaniel | :D | 15:08 |
| FIQ | lol | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: good marketing demo | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:10 |
| Yaniel | haptic feedback only works randomly when typing a url in the browser | 15:10 |
| atlaz | Animated gifs seem to work randomly with the browser also. This goes with the Firefox-app downloaded from Yandex.store also. Refreshing the image sometimes brings the animation to life | 15:11 |
| Yaniel | clicking on links is a PITA, filling forms (login) in the browser has the same problem with haptic feedback | 15:12 |
| ln- | that reminds me, does the hardware support the other kind of haptic feedback? like what happens when typing on N9. | 15:12 |
| Milo- | changing the sms notification sound isn't working? | 15:13 |
| mord | it seems that after longer periods (overnight, for example) of sleeping, the gpu doesn't quite wake up. backlight turns on, touch events are recognized but nothing is actually drawn | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | +1 for document viewer now working in landscape | 15:14 |
| mord | is this a known issue? | 15:14 |
| Milo- | oh.. or is it just that you can't use mp3-files as tones? | 15:14 |
| Venemo | does the Jolla support CardDAV and CalDAV? | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: not yet, it has been said | 15:16 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: which one not yet? | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | both I think, definitely caldav | 15:17 |
| Milo- | no ntp-sync either. oh dear. | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | but if !caldav => ! cardav (who would implement cardav first :P) | 15:17 |
| Milo- | nvm, I'm stupid again. | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | wha- | 15:21 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: you can't just look at /etc/resolv.conf ? | 15:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: ping | 15:36 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: pong | 15:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: could you login into jolla account and try to see what this "Your Applications" thing is? | 15:39 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: you mean in harbour? | 15:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for most of us, this is empty | 15:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | no | 15:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | in jolla account | 15:39 |
| Venemo | where is that? | 15:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | https://account.jolla.com/ | 15:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | after logging in, click on your name and choose "Your Applications" | 15:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for all of us, it's empty, but maybe this is linked to your applications? | 15:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe it even has more info than harbour | 15:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: ^^ ? | 15:40 |
| Venemo | there is no such item in the menu | 15:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Oauth2 applications | 15:41 |
| hene- | AL13N_lizzy, I have multiple applications there | 15:41 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: it contains a single item called "join.jolla.com" | 15:41 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | hene-: like what? | 15:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: huh | 15:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | odd | 15:41 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: join.jolla.com was a website a few months ago, it seems it doesn't exist anymore | 15:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hene-: are you looking at the same place? | 15:42 |
| hene- | AL13N_lizzy, there is different id:s | 15:42 |
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| hene- | there is this: join.jolla.com and three more | 15:42 |
| hene- | which are numbers and letters mixed | 15:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe this is like an account that can be used to authenticate other sites (and services) | 15:42 |
| hene- | dont know what those are | 15:42 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: seems that the jolla account is an OAuth2 account, so I guess it lists the clients where you authenticated with it | 15:43 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i guess it's unrelated to harbour apps | 15:43 |
| smokex | stand in the swampy area south of moonvale during hte 3rd phase of the new moon, with your phone pointed at btittania | 15:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: possibly | 15:43 |
| smokex | then your apps will sync with that page | 15:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thanks for the help | 15:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though, i don't know what the 'create application" does | 15:44 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | also, when i was in the shop, i asked if they had Jolla | 15:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | they hadn't heard of it :-( | 15:46 |
| Venemo | AL13N_lizzy: where do you live? | 15:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | .be | 15:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | damn, this guy @mkpaa on twitter says he got delivered a 2nd Jolla | 15:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-( | 15:50 |
| Venemo | .be =? | 15:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Belgium | 15:50 |
| Venemo | ah | 15:50 |
| Venemo | why would you expect them to have heard about the jolla then? | 15:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i wasn't expecting it | 15:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i asked anyway | 15:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | at least now they will have heard of it :-) | 15:51 |
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| ggabriel | 15:50 < AL13N_lizzy> damn, this guy @mkpaa on twitter says he got delivered a 2nd Jolla | 15:59 |
| ggabriel | i think some people ordered 2 | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | like 100 and 0 options | 16:00 |
| hene- | yep | 16:00 |
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| ggabriel | i saw a few screenshots | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | seeing as they go for over 800 on ebay, it wasn't a bad idea | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | but then hindsight is 20/20 | 16:00 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: no, he said "i knew there were delivery issues, but i didn't expect 2 jolla's" | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | ah, i read that as "drama" | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | :) | 16:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ggabriel: the one that was sold on ebay was > 1000EUR | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | or rather, understood that as drama | 16:07 |
| ggabriel | wat | 16:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 16:07 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | 850£ | 16:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the other one is still going | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | nice | 16:08 |
| ggabriel | that's probably similar to what a risky hedge fund will give you in terms of investment | 16:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i didn't track the other one, but it was > 400 £ too | 16:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 150% profit isn't bad | 16:08 |
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| ggabriel | ... in <6 months | 16:09 |
| ggabriel | or 6 months almost exactly | 16:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | true tat | 16:10 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | but if you consider that if you were gonna get one yourself anyway and get 2, it's quite ok | 16:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | because it means that you paid the other one off and still have 200EUR extra, with not much time | 16:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works <--- quite some native apps in the works | 16:11 |
| ggabriel | yeap, saw that, nice | 16:11 |
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| disharmonic | Hmm, my order is still only on "Paid" status :( | 16:13 |
| Venemo | disharmonic: mine too | 16:15 |
| ggabriel | disharmonic: not sure they're working the weekend | 16:15 |
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| ggabriel | (mine too btw) | 16:15 |
| disharmonic | probably not | 16:15 |
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| ggabriel | if i don't get it for xmas, i'll implement wise men presents in the uk | 16:16 |
| disharmonic | I wouldn't mind the wait if my current phone wasn't acting up. It's clear SailfishOS needs some work. | 16:20 |
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| Venemo | disharmonic +1 | 17:01 |
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| Tofe | morning | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn tofe | 17:24 |
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| Turski | ls | 17:44 |
| Turski | oops, wrong window... | 17:44 |
| Chaz6 | sudo rm -rf /* | 17:44 |
| zmo | sudo apt-get remove -qq -y -f libc6 | 17:47 |
| Chaz6 | :(){ :|:& };: | 17:48 |
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| Turski | hmm... can't reinstall aliendalvik | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: did you touch developer updates in developer mode? | 17:53 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: no | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | does other apps install from store? | 17:54 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: i'll do some testing on that... | 17:56 |
| Turski | first i'll trhow some logs | 17:56 |
| Turski | http://turski.dy.fi/paste/mtf | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: did you make a jolla account? | 17:59 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: yes | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | what does ssu s say | 18:01 |
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| Turski | http://turski.dy.fi/paste/GSb | 18:01 |
| Turski | :/ | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: ssu domain sales | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | and pkcon refresh | 18:03 |
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| Turski | Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?) | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: hmmmm | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | ssu lr | 18:06 |
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| Turski | http://turski.dy.fi/paste/vxb | 18:06 |
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| Turski | Stskeeps: any ideas? | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | not right now, sorry, i need to go somewhere | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | will reply later | 18:11 |
| Turski | ok, thank anyway | 18:11 |
| Turski | thanks* | 18:11 |
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| Tofe | Are Jolla sailors going to communicate about the ferry that couldn't sail today ? | 18:15 |
| nander | that's just a single day of delay? | 18:21 |
| nander | Not really interesting? | 18:21 |
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| Jonni | Turski: next question would be, that is your datetime correct? As https connection will fail if your clock is even minute behind? | 18:26 |
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| faenil | Jonni, note there's .jolla domain in his logs | 18:28 |
| Jonni | ah, then he has messed up with ssu | 18:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ssu domain sales | 18:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | iinm | 18:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's amazing the amount of people who think that they are jolla employees | 18:30 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, :) | 18:30 |
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| faenil | well maybe the text string isn't clear enough about the meaning of that option ;) | 18:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: that's one way of looking at it | 18:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i don't have a jolla, so i don't know | 18:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thought the first one said something along the lines of: "yes, i admit to having tried this option" | 18:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | which makes me think it's not that unclear after all :-) | 18:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: btw: so that thing with tbr yesterday is iiuc that he's willing to have a bugtracker on his site/domain? | 18:32 |
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| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, he said on Devaamo's (no-profit pro-oss Tampere-area association) | 18:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ah ok | 18:36 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: should i make a list of things we need? | 18:37 |
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| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, yeah if you know them :) I have no clue about what bz requires :P (and am studying) | 18:37 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: i mean more the use case on what we need for any bugtracker | 18:38 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i'll make a part on the wiki | 18:38 |
| faenil | ok | 18:38 |
| atlaz | I read somewhere that you could enable Wifi-hotspot through terminal. Is this true? I tried KVG:ing it, but my searches came up empty. Does anyone know the commands? Im going on a business trip on tuesday and would really like to hotspot my phone to my laptop | 18:41 |
| FireFly | What wiki? | 18:42 |
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| FireFly | Is there a wiki for jolla stuff? | 18:42 |
| atlaz | I've been trying to find a place where someone would have gathered all "good to know commands for doing really cool stuff you're not yet supposed to be doing with your phone"-thingys | 18:43 |
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| Morpog_ | well, talk.maemo.org is a good start for such stuff | 18:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | jolla on eBAY: Sold at 850£; $1050 (1d left); 340£ (1d left); 680£ (3d left); $570 (4d left); $530 (5d left) | 18:51 |
| Morpog_ | I should have ordered 2 :D | 18:52 |
| ottulo | :P | 18:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the one of $1050 (1d left) is sealed in the box | 18:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the one of $530 (5d left) looks like it might be sealed too, but that's uncertain | 18:53 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | atlaz: we do have http://elinux.org/Jolla | 18:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | atlaz: if you like, you can make a section with those | 18:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | there are already some stuff detailed | 18:54 |
| atlaz | Allright, nice | 18:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | FireFly: we're making a wiki here ^^ | 18:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | we're also making some kind of bugtracker | 18:55 |
| atlaz | gotta check that out. But first, the dog looks like he needs a nice stroll in the freezing Sylvi we have here | 18:55 |
| FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: aha | 18:57 |
| nciked | why not at maemo org? | 19:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nciked: some of this stuff is hardware related to the Jolla phone itself, we were unsure of acceptance regarding that, and we didn't get replies (yet) | 19:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nciked: at least at this time, we put all stuff here, we can always copy paste some other wiki if needed/wanted | 19:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: http://elinux.org/Jolla#bugtracker <-- if there's something you're thinking of, pleasy add or say so | 19:03 |
| FireFly | tbr: thanks for compiling mosh <3 | 19:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gtg for a bit | 19:04 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, are you sure of the Jolla support part? I'd ask the guys first... | 19:04 |
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| lpotter | ehhh.. that's not what I said/meant | 19:06 |
| lpotter | not exactly anyway | 19:06 |
| lpotter | I said, I dont like bugzilla. | 19:06 |
| lpotter | I also said something like, "There is already mailing list, you can use that (for now)" | 19:07 |
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| Acce | suggestion for the bugtracker: authenticate via Jolla account? that would reduce spammers.. even more restrictive would be that you have atleast one phone in your account.. but probably it's not possible until Jolla makes something official? | 19:13 |
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| atlaz | nciked: is talk.maemo.org THE place for jollatalk? | 19:17 |
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| nciked | for me, yes | 19:17 |
| nciked | till i switch | 19:17 |
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| nciked | and if the community isn't good | 19:18 |
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| atlaz | Blaeh. I still don't find anything related to the wifi-hostpot+terminal (other than the SailfishOS bugs and glitches thread on talk.maemo.org) | 19:18 |
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| atlaz | Maybe it's a dev-answer and thus no-one else really knows | 19:19 |
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| Turski | Jonni: time seems to be a bit ahead | 19:26 |
| Turski | about 88 seconds | 19:28 |
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| Turski | atlaz: you can probably set up hotspot from command line | 19:28 |
| Turski | atlaz: just some iwconfig and ip_forward | 19:29 |
| Turski | at least hardware seems to support ad-hoc mode | 19:30 |
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| Turski | actually i could try that... | 19:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: but does it support master mode? | 19:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is there a hostapd program required? | 19:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: from what i read here, this is my impression that those are at least some of the people who are willing to take a peek at the bugs | 19:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: worst case, we can direct them to it | 19:34 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: there's no master in ad-hoc? | 19:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nciked: & atlaz: in principal, THE jollatalk place is really here and devel@lists.sailfishos.org | 19:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: no | 19:35 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, you might want to ask better before putting people on a public wiki as kind of ensurance | 19:35 |
| faenil | because even if they would like to, there's the chance that they'll never have time to (for example) | 19:35 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: true, but w00t told me he would look at a list of bugs if we gave it; special & StsKeeps said something as you lead, we'll follow; and worst case, if we email maillist daily with bugs, then they will know about them and subsequently fix them | 19:36 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: http://turski.dy.fi/paste/RbV | 19:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: also said that alien dalvik bugs in a bugzilla would be passed on upstream | 19:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: interface mode AP, isn't that for an access point? | 19:38 |
| Turski | umm... yes probably. i don't really have much experience with wlan stuff | 19:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: but if you think i should doublecheck, then sure | 19:38 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I don't know, just saying | 19:39 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: but of course net can be shared with ad-hoc, can't it? | 19:39 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: w00t: special: lpotter: (or any other devs), community is planning on setting up some kind of bugtracker for public: http://elinux.org/Jolla#bugtracker , i put your name up for supporting our ideas, because that's what i felt, but if you disagree or have comments, please speak up :-) | 19:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: there... silence is acceptance :-) | 19:41 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: the linux kernel should allow with the "iw" tool to split up the device into multiple interfaces (as long as they don't conflict with hardware) | 19:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: try to use "iw" instead of "iwconfig" | 19:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | perhaps you can set up an AP mode AND managed mode at the same time | 19:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: Aard also told me that the wifi should also support injection (if you need that) | 19:42 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | tbr: ping about http://elinux.org/Jolla#bugtracker (i don't really care what bugtracker it is, but these are the requirements for it (afaics)) | 19:46 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tbr: if any help is needed, please don't hesitate | 19:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: if you could spread the word on twitter and gather community helpers for triaging, that would be great, i just don't know if you would do this now, or after it's set up | 19:47 |
| faenil | not sure | 19:47 |
| faenil | at the moment I'm just very busy | 19:47 |
| artemma | the only real requirement is that bugtracker is actually watched by sailors. And secondary requirement is that it's convenient to them :) | 19:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: or somewhere in between :-) | 19:47 |
| AL13N_lizzy | artemma: we agree | 19:48 |
| faenil | artemma, if Jolla could do a bugtracker it would have done it already, so.. | 19:48 |
| faenil | we can't expect them to treat is as their internal bugtracker, that's my opinion of course | 19:48 |
| artemma | then public one will be not like for assigning bugs, but more like assinning watching for bugs. I.e. public would close issues when they seem to be fixed (or not relevant anymore) | 19:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the idea is that if we can triage it a bit, and give a shortlist to devs, it would have them miss less dev-time | 19:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | artemma: exactly | 19:50 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I heard that this was done already for maemo and it didn't work, that's the thing :( | 19:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | artemma: though if some sailors wish to assign themselves, that's no problem | 19:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: at least devel@sailfishos.org is read | 19:50 |
| faenil | yes | 19:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so the daily email to that, is the key to success imho | 19:50 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, that's why we have to think before creating a new way to report stuff | 19:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | anyway, it's weekend, so i don't expect much talk on this or whatnot | 19:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i will retry for comments with Jolla employees in the week | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | monday or something | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though monday is always a bad day | 19:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: imho, if we do have support from at least those devs, it's a start, and then we can go try somewhat higher up to get things sorted | 19:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so that devs are actually allowed to spend time on it during working hours (if they aren't already now) | 19:53 |
| Jonni | if you give sailors powers to force close bugs.... I got bored at N9 bugzilla, when end users could reopen feature request that was decided not to be implemented :) | 19:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah | 19:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | well, i think this could be moderated by a group of community people | 19:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ideally, unless it's actually triaged, Jolla devs will not likely see it, so they won't be bothered by it, and the rest of us can view it as spam :-) | 19:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: force close doesn't really help, because if you have this feature, people start to open up new bugs | 19:55 |
| Jonni | well true, but then moderators can close them as duplicate | 19:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: due to the open source nature of this, we can mostly direct people to the correct bugtrackers (mer, nemo) etc.... | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and do it themselves | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: by that same token, moderators can close them instead of duplicate them | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or just not triage them, or even block the user | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | those are specifics which we can view later | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the idea is that Jolla devs are not hampered by it, but see this more as a community wishlist/priority list | 19:57 |
| Jonni | but yes, jolla doesnt have resources to have duplicate bugzilla, but if there is community one, with forexample some voting method of important bugs, then most likely someone might follow it. | 19:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: imho, if all else fails, we can still report them via IRC | 19:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | just like we do now | 19:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | have a bot paste all the links in here | 19:58 |
| Jonni | yeah, atleast community would have them gathered in some centralized place, even if in the end they are reported through irc | 19:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if the devs don't want that, then we can have a talk with Marc and get something sorted :-) | 19:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: at the very least a real community will start to form around it, which means we get some power to sway marketing people | 19:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | which is a goal in itself :-) | 19:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Jonni: the thing i want to avoid for this, is that bugs are reported and missed | 19:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | even if chances are slim atm | 20:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but if we're really honest, SailfishOS will stand or fall with/without community | 20:00 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's why it's important to have reachable devs and collaboration | 20:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | iow: this is not nokia | 20:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | this is a real community | 20:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | international really | 20:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | the more success sailfishOS has, the more power a community has, but also a powerfull community can be a big help in sailfishOS too | 20:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | imho, this is why Jolla has so much potential | 20:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (and sailfishOS too) | 20:03 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ok, well, enough ranting | 20:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | going to sleep early today | 20:03 |
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| Turski | has anyone found a way to customize UI swipe actions? | 20:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1391586&postcount=803 (reported on twitter as how to have wifi hotspot, but it's not correct, but it's still some kind of tethering) | 20:11 |
| artemma | Turski: I hope not | 20:12 |
| Turski | artemma: why? | 20:12 |
| artemma | Turski: common UI gestures work only because they are common | 20:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's a bad idea to change it, but imho, there's nothing stopping anyone | 20:12 |
| Turski | i would prefer to close application with swipe from left since i find it a bit hard to reach the top edge with one hand | 20:13 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though some could be configurable, for example: left/right swiping on lock screen goes to ambience, but maybe that could be different | 20:13 |
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| artemma | think iOS reflex to always press Home button and get to Home. Or N9 reflex to swipe things away and they go away. Hopefully harbour will never approve apps that change these | 20:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | artemma: if they are changed, then they should be globally changed, on the basic system | 20:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but if you figure that out, it's gonna need devmode anyway | 20:14 |
| artemma | AL13N_lizzy: yes, I've seen Android before | 20:14 |
| artemma | hopefully doesn't happen to sailfish | 20:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i doubt harbour will allow different swipe gestures for apps | 20:15 |
| artemma | well, to public sailfish, developers can of course break their own device UX at will | 20:15 |
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| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: that's network sharing over usb to pc | 20:16 |
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| atlaz | Turski: allright. This "low level"-tech-stuffymajing is not really my a-game. But im not afraid to experiment :) | 20:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: yes | 20:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | on twitter someone gave this link and said "how to do wifi hotspot" | 20:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yeah, that's not exactly right | 20:18 |
| FireFly | Hm, after creating a second window and doing some stuff, my original fingerterm window hung | 20:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-( | 20:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | FireFly: perhaps ask when more devs are online | 20:19 |
| FireFly | On the plus side, I've now seen the "application is not responding" UI :p | 20:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 20:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | FireFly: is it good? | 20:19 |
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| FireFly | It was a popup thing near the top with "wait" and "force close", pretty much | 20:20 |
| FireFly | pretty standard, I guess | 20:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nice | 20:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | did you check if the cover actions changed? | 20:20 |
| Turski | FireFly: yeah, i saw that during the first hour of usage at the launch party :P | 20:20 |
| FireFly | Haha | 20:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 20:21 |
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| FireFly | Turski: with fingerterm, or something else? | 20:21 |
| Turski | FireFly: actually clock application | 20:21 |
| FireFly | AL13N_lizzy: hm, no, I didn't check that | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | FireFly: still, looks like an interesting bug for Jolla devs | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: wat | 20:21 |
| Turski | FireFly: and few other applications too, somehow pulling the pulley menu caused applications to freeze, but reboot fixed it | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Tofe: (ferry) | 20:22 |
| FireFly | Heh, ow | 20:22 |
| Turski | FireFly: but i have had fingerterm freeze too | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: i don't think a community originated bugtracker will work very well, i've seen it go sour in similar manner in maemo.org, sorry | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: it doesn't work well in practice to have nicely triaged summaries served to a company :/ | 20:23 |
| FireFly | Hm, the hung fingerterm had the menu thing still open, so I'm guessing the crash is related to the spawn-new-window part | 20:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: hmm, so bugs are to be reported here in IRC? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: no, but give us a little bit of time, something is in the works | 20:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: so, if we hook up a bot that posts bugs to IRC, this would be acceptible? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | irc isn't a bugzilla :P | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: but, IRC is atm where bugs are posted | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | that may be so, but, it's not the ideal format really | 20:25 |
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| FireFly | Stskeeps: have you heard anything about fingerterm's "new window" causing freezes, btw? | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: we want a list of bugs so they aren't forgotten, and to let devs know about it | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: yes | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: what about alien dalvik bugs? | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | we should also ask them here? | 20:26 |
| FireFly | Oh, okay, so it's a known issue then | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: you asked above if i was backing the idea, and i don't | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thx | 20:26 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: you think we should just leave it like this? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | i have a bit too much experience in seeing how that can work out in practice from past and it doesn't bring good with it :/ | 20:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | have people reporting bugs on IRC/twitter? | 20:28 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i figured it could work cause you guys are using open source, and therefor need to be reachable by IRC/devel ML | 20:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so if we emailed list to ML, you would at least know about it | 20:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: the goal for me, is to have a list (so that nothing is forgotten) and to let Jolla employees know about these | 20:29 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: those are the only goals, i figured a bugtracker, but if you have another idea, that is fine | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: okay, so, first off - sailors are here as part of a community but are not speaking officially here, also playing around with their devices and happy to help weed them out until a saner solution is done | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | so, give it a bit of time :) | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | some efforts went into making the product better that took it off working on other things | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | such as a good way to have ideas, bugs, etc flow | 20:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 20:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i understand | 20:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: still, imho, it's not a bad idea to have a list of bugs now, that can be copy pasted when Jolla marketing ever comes up with their own idea | 20:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or well, at least filtered out when Jolla marketing comes up with a good idea | 20:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/TimoPesonen | 20:32 |
| Milo- | is it possible to enable "mouse cursor mode" in the browser (as in n900's browser)? | 20:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | see this, this is likely another one that either has no account or has switched to jolla domain instead of sales domain | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N_lizzy: i think it leads to confusion to have a 3rd party bug tracker, sorry - and a bug tracker is not the answer for the general populace | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | bugzilla is hell of scary place | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | even for people like me :P | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: it doesn't have to be a bug tracker | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: i don't really care how | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | also, this is my opinion as a fellow community member | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: np, i understand | 20:34 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: i think that problem is not about not having an account or using wrong domain... | 20:34 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: since i have account and am using sales domain, and store doesn't work | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: what do you think this problem is? layer 0? PEBKAC? | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: oh | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: maybe the store has some downtime | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it happened before | 20:35 |
| Turski | ssu thinks that the device is not registered | 20:36 |
| Turski | http://turski.dy.fi/paste/GSb | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine, normal devices don't need to | 20:37 |
| Turski | oh | 20:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: if you log into https://account.jolla.com/ do you see your device there? | 20:37 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: yes | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just going to flash 1.0.0.5 and upgrade, and check some things myself | 20:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: you're not using 1.0.0.10 ? | 20:37 |
| FireFly | Hm, is it possible to *remove* a number from a contact? I can of course erase the number from the "Work" field, but I can't seem to get rid of the field itself | 20:38 |
| FireFly | neither from "edit contact" nor directly when viewing a contact.. | 20:38 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: huh? | 20:38 |
| FireFly | oh. never mind | 20:38 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: Release: 1.0.1.10 | 20:38 |
| * FireFly probably didn't long-press long enough | 20:38 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: that's what i meant | 20:39 |
| Chaz6 | This might spawn a few ideas www.wikitab.com | 20:39 |
| Turski | AL13N_lizzy: there's no 1.0.0.10 ... | 20:39 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: at least Turski has 1.0.1.10... | 20:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Turski: just a typo :-) | 20:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Chaz6: that's an unregistered domain | 20:40 |
| faenil | Chaz6, are you human? | 20:40 |
| Chaz6 | err www.wikipad.com sorry | 20:41 |
| Chaz6 | typo | 20:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | patented game controller | 20:42 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though jolla could sell them sailfishos | 20:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or someone makes a game controller TOH | 20:42 |
| Chaz6 | Well it gives me the idea that the TOH could be a lot bigger than the phone | 20:42 |
| Chaz6 | Like a large dock | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: can you /msg me your jolla account username? | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | Turski: we'd like to check some logs | 20:43 |
| Turski | sure | 20:44 |
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| micko_ | is there a way to make gallery see images from other directories? form example images downloaded by bluetooth, sailbox or from internet | 20:48 |
| micko_ | or does anyone know if there are plans to include such feature? | 20:49 |
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| pdanek | Can I assume that many Qt & Jolla fans use KDE and very often OpenSUSE? | 20:54 |
| Chaz6 | Maybe | 20:55 |
| Chaz6 | I like opensuse and KDE | 20:55 |
| Chaz6 | But not plasma mobile | 20:55 |
| ottulo | I didn't really like KDE >_> | 20:56 |
| Chaz6 | I quite dislike the default oxygen theme | 20:57 |
| Chaz6 | I wish the ui was more like xfce/lxde | 20:57 |
| ottulo | been happy with Mint + MATE (laptop)/ Cinnamon (desktop) | 20:57 |
| micko_ | I have bad memories about rpm-packages. occasional nightmares too | 20:57 |
| micko_ | so no suse here | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | micko_: you'll be pleased to know that jolla causes all the money spent on therapy to be waste | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | d | 20:58 |
| micko_ | I'm taking a risk here, I know | 20:58 |
| ottulo | Stskeeps: I can read that two ways.. | 20:58 |
| Chaz6 | i gave elementaryos a quick spin yesterday and it's gorgeous | 20:58 |
| pdanek | micko_: I believe package management is pretty good these days on suse | 20:58 |
| micko_ | those memories are from ten years ago | 20:58 |
| pdanek | micko_: not relevant anymore | 20:59 |
| micko_ | so I guess it might be better nowadays | 20:59 |
| Chaz6 | They've put a lot of effort into polish | 20:59 |
| micko_ | but that's when I changed to gentoo | 21:00 |
| Eztran | Been using OpenSUSE for a bit recently. Certainly had no problems with RPMs. (also, zypper's great) | 21:00 |
| pdanek | zypper > yum | 21:00 |
| micko_ | red hat (a free one) and mandrake were the rpm-distros I have used. so it was a while ago | 21:01 |
| micko_ | atm on windows though... my adsl is cut off because of the storm yesterday and I haven't configured 3g on my gentoo :) | 21:03 |
| hahlo | yum in fedora works quite well too, not much depency problems | 21:04 |
| Turski | Arch linux + i3 without DE here | 21:04 |
| micko_ | there still are dependency problems on rpm-distros? | 21:04 |
| hahlo | not that I know | 21:05 |
| pdanek | WAIT! | 21:05 |
| micko_ | I interpreted that "not much" so that there are some | 21:05 |
| pdanek | Harmattan on N9 uses .deb? | 21:05 |
| Chaz6 | *ponders a console with 1920x1080 charactrs* | 21:05 |
| Milo- | dang. my 'SailfishOS emulator' virtual machine run out of power. requires recharging :( | 21:05 |
| pdanek | I never had N9 and now I see. | 21:05 |
| Eztran | pdanek: yup. | 21:05 |
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| Eztran | Harmattan used .deb, MeeGo itself actually used .rpm as SailfishOS does. | 21:05 |
| Turski | Milo-: wut? :D | 21:07 |
| Milo- | started my virtual machine and it immediately gave me a notification "recharge battery" :P | 21:07 |
| nander | that's a 'feature' | 21:08 |
| Milo- | :P | 21:09 |
| nander | Just like what's app randomly closing on the device is a feature | 21:09 |
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| micko_ | I've had problems with android software shutting down immediately after starting them | 21:12 |
| micko_ | and almost always when the software is using net, it shuts down | 21:12 |
| micko_ | firefox does that | 21:13 |
| micko_ | and flickr | 21:13 |
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| pdanek | micko_: is ansroid FF superior to default Gecko-based browser on Jolla? | 21:23 |
| ortylp | pdanek: KDE: not really, SUSE: are you joking???? | 21:23 |
| pdanek | ortylp: why? :D | 21:23 |
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| micko_ | pdanek: landscape | 21:24 |
| micko_ | pdanek: I don't like tapatalk and some forums don't work too well with portrait | 21:25 |
| micko_ | with landscape the text is readable | 21:25 |
| ortylp | pdanek: I come from Slackware with FVWM... so... KDE => why the hell I need mysql for a desktop??? SUSE => all my configuration changes in /etc got reverted after reboot => that is a no go | 21:25 |
| micko_ | does KDE require mysql? I thought it works with sqlite | 21:26 |
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| nander | It might require *any* database backend | 21:26 |
| nander | A database system is quite useful for certain data types | 21:27 |
| micko_ | I know mysql is an option for akonadi and amarok, but they too work also with sqlite | 21:28 |
| Chaz6 | That would be for nepomuk | 21:28 |
| micko_ | ah | 21:28 |
| micko_ | I do have mysql installed for other uses so I haven't paid attention to it with kde | 21:28 |
| ortylp | pdanek: at the moment I use ubuntu with 'apt-get purge cat `useless_packages.txt`' after installation | 21:31 |
| pdanek | ortylp: mm, have you tested Ubuntu Touch OS? o.O | 21:32 |
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| ortylp | pdanek: not yet... I have configured and usable installation of Ubuntu desktop on my dublinian S10-3t, i would have to locate a spare hdd for such a test | 21:35 |
| pdanek | ortylp: I mean on Nexus phone or something | 21:36 |
| ortylp | pdanek: no, I own only N900, N9, SG Note 2 and a bunch of old Nokia dumbphones | 21:38 |
| pdanek | ortylp: Is SG Note 2 your main now? | 21:38 |
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| ortylp | pdanek: yes, and I love the fact, that the device survives through the day on a single charge no matter what I do, so no more "battery induced stress" | 21:40 |
| ortylp | pdanek: the Android UI is terrible compared to N9, but... | 21:41 |
| micko_ | android flickr didn't see my new photos until I rebooted jolla. and one interesting feature is that it shows the photos upside down when choosing photo to upload. after photo is chosen and you click done, the next screen shows it right | 21:42 |
| Acce | new battery technologies will arrive in few years to come, I believe, so we have hope of longer survival times | 21:43 |
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| Bysmyyr | some nice bug, phone lost all email conficurations | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: exchange involved? | 21:48 |
| Bysmyyr | no | 21:49 |
| Bysmyyr | gmail and kapsi with imap+smtp | 21:49 |
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| Bysmyyr | Stskeeps: They was disabled from accounts. After enabling, everything works | 21:56 |
| Bysmyyr | btw, nice feature that zooming when moving cursor | 21:56 |
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| rdapps | hi anyone online? | 22:04 |
| pdanek | rdapps: sure, lots of us | 22:05 |
| pdanek | what's up? | 22:05 |
| rdapps | I have a question | 22:07 |
| rdapps | can I load android apk to emulator | 22:07 |
| rdapps | I want to test my app | 22:07 |
| rdapps | on Jolla but I have an android app | 22:07 |
| pdanek | rdapps: you mean in Sailfish SDK emulator? | 22:08 |
| pdanek | rdapps: or on Jolla itself? do you have Jolla already? | 22:09 |
| rdapps | nope I dont have a phone :/ | 22:09 |
| rdapps | I load emulator but cant figure out how to load apk to emulator | 22:10 |
| rdapps | someone said it is not likely to do that | 22:10 |
| Bysmyyr | I think there is not alien darvik | 22:10 |
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| rdapps | Ok I have a reittiopas application but apparently gps and alarm does not work properly | 22:12 |
| rdapps | so I was going to try on emulator | 22:12 |
| rdapps | is there anyway ? | 22:12 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | You can ask someone with a device | 22:17 |
| teve | meegopas should work | 22:18 |
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| Jonni | android adaptation is not part of Sailfish OS, so thats why its never going to be in emulator. I've installed meegopas on my device and it works nicely (actually I'm just updating it on my personal repo to match Theming). | 22:19 |
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| FireFly | rdapps: what kind of app is it? | 22:19 |
| Bysmyyr | Jonni: nice to hear, someone should upload meegopas to harbour | 22:20 |
| rdapps | It is a reittiopas application called bussit but thanks for suggesting competition | 22:20 |
| rdapps | :D | 22:20 |
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| Jonni | Bysmyyr: I will soon, as long as I get it passed the qa script, it still uses one API that might not get through. | 22:20 |
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| Jonni | but I might be able to bypass that api | 22:20 |
| Bysmyyr | _b | 22:21 |
| FireFly | rdapps: the android apps I've tried thus far has worked pretty much flawlessly, so I think yours is likely to, too | 22:21 |
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| FireFly | Granted, I've only tried three.. :p | 22:22 |
| Jonni | Bysmyyr: if you dont want to wait then you can just compile it yourself from my repo https://github.com/rainisto/Meegopas (thats work in progress, it already has harbour- etc naming, but I need to clean up it still a bit). | 22:22 |
| Bysmyyr | I not need it until febryari so... | 22:22 |
| Jonni | rpm installs on device and works tough | 22:22 |
| rdapps | It is in yandex store you can try but apparently gps is not working also alarm is not working as well I dont expect map to work and I am willing to change it to OSM but if gps will not work I guess I will not try | 22:22 |
| Bysmyyr | now I am in netherlands, had to install google maps because it tells everything... | 22:23 |
| Bysmyyr | or maybe use old phone when travelling | 22:23 |
| rdapps | firefly: can you try if you have time? | 22:23 |
| Jonni | rdapps: gps will work on android side on coming updates that... | 22:23 |
| Jonni | atleast gps works on my android app on my devel image ;) | 22:24 |
| FireFly | rdapps: oh, I guess GPS could be an issue | 22:24 |
| atlaz | I use triplog in my car to track my business-trips with my company car. It's an android app and heavilly uses GPS | 22:24 |
| atlaz | i've used it without a hitch now for the last week | 22:24 |
| FireFly | rdapps: I haven't tried Yandex yet, but I'll tell you if I try it later | 22:24 |
| rdapps | ok | 22:25 |
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| atlaz | I also used google maps for navigation and didn't have any problems with that either, GPS wise | 22:26 |
| atlaz | Maybe my Jolla is somehow "spesul" | 22:27 |
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| Jonni | downloaded bussit app and that seems to work for me just fine also. Quite similar to meegopas | 22:36 |
| Turski | just hate all those ads... | 22:36 |
| ortylp | Can anyone confirm if OSMAND works? | 22:44 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work: spent half the day fixing the main electricity cable to my parents' house, no time for it today (and no power for half of it either) | 23:01 |
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