| ZogG_laptop | they are geniuses | 00:00 |
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| pdanek | yep | 00:00 |
| pdanek | ah you mean SP game | 00:00 |
| pdanek | I thought Apple products :D | 00:00 |
| pdanek | when I finish watching Apple product presentation, I'm totally brainwashed | 00:00 |
| pdanek | they're are geniuses too | 00:00 |
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| pdanek | and I like to go to Apple stores too :D yet I never bought an Apple products, or even thought of it | 00:01 |
| pdanek | product* | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you want if you do it | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i dislike them | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i love ipod first time i saw | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had it | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | but after breaking it and all the repairing i hated company | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | after seeng what they are — i don't care about them | 00:03 |
| pdanek | When I was in Hong Kong for visit, everyone loved iPhone so much there | 00:03 |
| pdanek | so I have doubts of Jolla success in China with its price-tag | 00:04 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it depends on them | 00:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tuwNT-2rE | 00:30 |
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| nander | I've got a fun idea for a game ;) | 00:36 |
| nander | I think it's doable | 00:36 |
| nander | The base idea is: it's a platformer with small levels, which are built by other players | 00:37 |
| nander | You get a random level built by another player | 00:37 |
| nander | The levels are checked by forcing the other player to finish his own level before submitting | 00:37 |
| nander | You get points by people dieing on your levels, and by finishing levels | 00:37 |
| nander | You get more points for finishing levels on which more players died ;) | 00:38 |
| pdanek | Bratislava! :O | 00:39 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: my home country :P | 00:39 |
| nander | I think I'll work on it during the christmas holiday :) | 00:39 |
| nander | Or, if some people want to help, during this weekend (ludum dare) | 00:40 |
| covox | nander: interesting progression mechanic | 00:40 |
| covox | but what about that actual game part? :P | 00:40 |
| nander | Just a basic platformer I think | 00:40 |
| nander | With some block type things | 00:40 |
| nander | I don't know yet | 00:40 |
| nander | I just came back from the toilet, got the idea there | 00:41 |
| nander | ;) | 00:41 |
| nander | If you have ideas, shoot ;) | 00:41 |
| nander | Is there a jolla-application channel? | 00:41 |
| nander | or something like #jolladev or so ? | 00:42 |
| special | just here and #sailfishos | 00:42 |
| nander | This is neither OS nor phone | 00:42 |
| covox | nander: would it be a twitch type platformer like super meat boy? | 00:42 |
| nander | And I think there may be loads of messages on this subject (I may start spamming) | 00:42 |
| nander | covox, that was the initial idea | 00:42 |
| special | well, nobody else is talking now anyway :p | 00:42 |
| special | intriguing idea. | 00:42 |
| nander | The multiplayer implementation is trivial, but it still works funny I think | 00:43 |
| covox | also SDL will be ready for sailfish/wayland pretty soon | 00:43 |
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| nander | The only thing I'm worried about is the lack of progressive levels | 00:43 |
| nander | For the actual platforming bit | 00:43 |
| nander | Unless you unlock items and the levels are not totally random, but rather sorted by items used | 00:43 |
| covox | brb | 00:44 |
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| nander | So you start with basic blocks, then blocks with spikes, moving platforms, moving spikes, the bunch | 00:44 |
| nander | Just like it progresses in super meat boy, but now the level editor is part of the game ;) | 00:44 |
| nander | Is SDL available on Jolla yet (for harbour)? | 00:45 |
| nander | I've got 2 weeks of summer holidays | 00:46 |
| nander | 21 dec - jan 5th | 00:46 |
| nander | I was thinking about organising a jolla software design contest | 00:46 |
| nander | Community voting | 00:46 |
| special | talk to thp about SDL | 00:46 |
| nander | I was thinking something like: the winner gets 20 eur in steam money | 00:46 |
| nander | I'm willing to give that away, if others are also willing, the prize money may increase | 00:47 |
| nander | I'm just a poor student, so the prize is more of a gesture than a real incentive | 00:47 |
| nander | Steam money only if it's transitable | 00:47 |
| nander | Otherwise another easy payment system | 00:47 |
| nander | Ah wait, iban ;) | 00:47 |
| special | I-except-for-the-us-BAN :( | 00:48 |
| nander | If someone from the US wins he can choose 20 eur worth of stuff somewhere and I'll just put in his shipping address ;) | 00:48 |
| nander | Oh, I also have paypal | 00:49 |
| nander | So it should be no problem at all | 00:49 |
| nander | Jollas are only supplied in the EU now anyway | 00:49 |
| nander | EU++ | 00:49 |
| special | cool ideas, anyway. Some unique native games would be great | 00:49 |
| nander | I want to learn to use C++ / SDL | 00:50 |
| nander | So I want such a project | 00:50 |
| nander | And I want jolla to succee | 00:50 |
| nander | succeed* | 00:50 |
| nander | And harbour could use a kickstart ;) | 00:50 |
| nander | What would be a good site to organise such a contest? | 00:50 |
| special | any of the links in the topic, I suppose | 00:51 |
| nander | I think I'll mail jolla tomorrow, asking them if they have ideas on such a contest ;) | 00:51 |
| nander | I meant on which community | 00:51 |
| nander | I don't need help, I could use ideas | 00:51 |
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| nander | And if Jolla prefers it to be 2 weeks later, because they release SDL to the harbour by that time, I'll gladly listen | 00:52 |
| nander | The idea was that it's an open contest | 00:52 |
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| nander | Rules: 1. No copyright infringement, 2. No obscene material, 3. it has to be submittable to harbour | 00:53 |
| ottulo | exciting... just added a custom kb layout to my Jolla, booting to see if it works | 00:53 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: the video is pretty good from the other half! :O (boring in the beginning) | 00:53 |
| nander | That's just about all of the rules I want ;) | 00:53 |
| nander | Create whatever you deem useful | 00:53 |
| special | nander: definitely chat with thp about SDL/games/harbour, that's his area | 00:54 |
| ottulo | so far no luck :/ | 00:54 |
| ottulo | I guess it's the special characters that are an issue | 00:54 |
| special | ottulo: how so? | 00:55 |
| chem|st | nander: we (as in maemo.org) were talking about funding prizes for such contests out of our own pocket (hifo, mine and anyone who wants to) | 00:59 |
| ottulo | special: sorry for the delay, it's stormy here and a power surge caused our router to reboot | 00:59 |
| nander | chem|st - we could start by asking people if they are willing to chip in | 01:00 |
| nander | I'm willing, but I'm just a poor student ;) | 01:00 |
| ottulo | special: I tried to add special characters used in Romanian, the phone wouldn't switch to the layout I created even though it was listed | 01:00 |
| chem|st | nander: well I already said I'd offer 2 devices even if I have to pay them out of my own pocket | 01:00 |
| special | ottulo: run journalctl -af and try switching to it | 01:00 |
| smokex | how do I play an mp3? | 01:01 |
| ottulo | special: a bit late, I just removed the special chars and rebooting device... | 01:01 |
| ottulo | just to see if the layout works otherwise | 01:01 |
| smokex | the files don't show up in the library in jolla-mediaplayer | 01:01 |
| ottulo | I rarely use the keys anyway, even though I have them on my desktop | 01:01 |
| special | ottulo: most likely, it was a QML error, which should show up in the journal | 01:01 |
| covox | smokex: are they in the Music folder? | 01:01 |
| smokex | yep | 01:01 |
| nander | Maybe we can get jolla to participate, but that's only if there is enough of a community spirit around the project ;) | 01:02 |
| ottulo | special: the characters I'd added are: şţă | 01:02 |
| ottulo | just so you know what I'm talking about :) | 01:02 |
| smokex | ottulo: you added them using a qmap? | 01:03 |
| chem|st | nander: join up in #maemo-meeting tomorrow 18UTC to discuss if and how maemo.org could run that contest | 01:03 |
| nander | That's 19 CEST, right? | 01:04 |
| chem|st | nander: getting jolla to participate is 2nd step from my point of view | 01:04 |
| special | ottulo: shouldn't be a problem, /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/layouts/fi.qml for example shows a layout with some special characters | 01:04 |
| nander | We NEED to wait for SDL | 01:04 |
| chem|st | yeah UTC+1 | 01:04 |
| covox | yeah | 01:04 |
| nander | Ok, just checking | 01:04 |
| covox | it's not ready yet | 01:04 |
| nander | That's a real pity | 01:04 |
| nander | It would have been a nice winter project | 01:04 |
| covox | EGL is working pretty good, as is sound (since it's just pulse) | 01:04 |
| chem|st | nander: I was looking fwd to end of the year -> january | 01:05 |
| nander | I hope it's released before the end of this year | 01:05 |
| covox | input is the big thing that needs fixing | 01:05 |
| nander | That way I get to play with it before my classes start again | 01:05 |
| nander | And my tasks as a board member of a small non-profit ICT store ;) | 01:05 |
| chem|st | so I need to hit the bed... | 01:05 |
| nander | Good night | 01:06 |
| covox | also the wayland patches have gotten out of sync with the main branch, I'm going through and refactoring them to work with it | 01:06 |
| nander | I need to go to bed as well ;). I've got classes at 8:45 | 01:06 |
| nander | Boring, but compulsory | 01:06 |
| chem|st | bb | 01:06 |
| nander | And also totally pointless | 01:06 |
| nander | And it uses the programming language used in hell | 01:06 |
| covox | VB6? | 01:06 |
| nander | No, that actually doesn't work | 01:06 |
| chem|st | covox: what I thought | 01:07 |
| nander | It works fine | 01:07 |
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| covox | actually no, VBA | 01:07 |
| nander | But it's boring | 01:07 |
| ottulo | smokex: I edited a qml file in notepad on my pc | 01:07 |
| nander | And 4000% redundant in coding | 01:07 |
| smokex | ah ok | 01:07 |
| nander | Java | 01:07 |
| covox | M4? | 01:07 |
| covox | oh come on, there's plenty worse | 01:07 |
| nander | I had functional programming in the block before this one | 01:07 |
| nander | It's a tough hit.. | 01:08 |
| nander | Haskell is in some cases the language made by the gods | 01:08 |
| nander | I'd really like a ghci version for jolla ;) | 01:08 |
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| nander | I don't need a calculator, a haskell compiler will do ;) | 01:08 |
| chem|st | nander: vhdl is made for gods only^^ | 01:08 |
| covox | nander: get the mer chroot and build it :P | 01:08 |
| nander | ghci is the command line ide for haskell ;) | 01:09 |
| nander | Using a single line, I can get it to produce all pythagorian triangles below 1000 ;) | 01:09 |
| nander | Why would I ever need a calculator? :D | 01:10 |
| covox | I did six months of haskell once | 01:10 |
| chem|st | I have seen python programs in one line... | 01:10 |
| chem|st | bb for good now o/ | 01:10 |
| covox | had to cheat and check my answers with python | 01:10 |
| nander | Too tough? | 01:10 |
| covox | which, you know, makes sense :) | 01:10 |
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| nander | I love how you describe the problem and that's magically the solution | 01:11 |
| nander | I just love things like foldr (*) 1 [1..20] | 01:12 |
| nander | 20! ;) | 01:12 |
| covox | there are madmen who write entire games in haskell | 01:12 |
| nander | That's not what it's intended for ;) | 01:12 |
| covox | no sir | 01:12 |
| nander | Use it for complex maths and it makes your life easier ;) | 01:12 |
| nander | I/O in haskell is a bitch | 01:12 |
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| covox | http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/making-haskell-nicer-for-game-programming/ | 01:14 |
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| covox | you can have my C++ when you pry it from my cold, dead hands | 01:15 |
| nander | I have to learn it | 01:16 |
| nander | I have tough times getting it to compile at all | 01:16 |
| covox | how good is your C? | 01:16 |
| nander | Reasonable | 01:16 |
| nander | Not really good | 01:16 |
| nander | Not bad either | 01:16 |
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| nander | I can write things like mergesort, know how to use pthread | 01:16 |
| nander | Know a few system calls (brk,sbrk) | 01:17 |
| nander | That's a bout it | 01:17 |
| nander | Java is ironically the language I'm best at writing | 01:18 |
| nander | Using eclipse I'm actually quite fast at writing java code | 01:18 |
| nander | Haskell is the language I love using most | 01:18 |
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| nander | Unless the stupid moron using the keyboard is required to give input during execution | 01:18 |
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| piee | x | 01:21 |
| nander | y | 01:21 |
| piee | c++is good | 01:21 |
| nander | I'm gonna take a look at SDL this weekend | 01:21 |
| covox | make sure you go for SDL2 | 01:22 |
| nander | Shouldn't be that hard I think | 01:22 |
| nander | I used it on a blue monday | 01:22 |
| covox | it's pretty easy | 01:22 |
| nander | the sdl site changed? | 01:23 |
| covox | there was a lot of obsolete crap on the old one | 01:23 |
| nander | Ah ;) | 01:23 |
| nander | I didn't recognise it at first | 01:23 |
| nander | Is it acceptable to use QT for networking and SDL for graphics? | 01:24 |
| nander | Or even Sillicia for menus? | 01:24 |
| nander | How easy is it to use these two intertwined? | 01:24 |
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| nander | According to the interwebs using QT and SDL together is a stupid idea ;) | 01:26 |
| nander | A bad idea*, stupid ideas don't exist | 01:26 |
| mikhas | dunno. sounds like a good idea if you like pain | 01:26 |
| nander | Apart from testing if your jolla is waterproof | 01:26 |
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| piee | why stupid？ | 01:28 |
| covox | short version is it's crazy difficult | 01:28 |
| smokex | ^ | 01:29 |
| covox | two main loops, two controlling contexts, two everything | 01:29 |
| special | if you don't want any of the graphics aspects of Qt, and don't mind dealing with threads, it may not be too bad | 01:29 |
| special | separate thread with a QCoreApplication for networking | 01:30 |
| covox | yeah you could get away with just the networking module | 01:30 |
| nander | Does SDL have a networking module? | 01:31 |
| covox | http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_net/ | 01:31 |
| nander | The big question is: will it be supported on Jolla? | 01:32 |
| covox | it's just a C library, anyone can build the damn thing :P | 01:33 |
| special | well, for sailfish you also have to work with wayland, etc ;) | 01:33 |
| nander | SDL abstracts all that stuff away, right? | 01:33 |
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| covox | special: mm, was talking about SDL_net | 01:33 |
| covox | SDL still needs some TLC | 01:34 |
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| nander | TLC, both an airport and a television channel ;) | 01:34 |
| nander | appearently, SDL is also an airport | 01:35 |
| nander | Sundsvall | 01:35 |
| nander | http://www.airmilescalculator.com/distance/sdl-to-tlc/ | 01:35 |
| nander | good night | 01:37 |
| piee | how about bix2d | 01:37 |
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| piee | box2d | 01:37 |
| covox | piee: just a C library :) technically doesn't even need graphics | 01:38 |
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| covox | huh, there's a bunch of Qt hooks in here for touch input | 01:42 |
| covox | perhaps it's working and I haven't fixed my test app for reading touch events | 01:42 |
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| ottulo | because I only get sound from the left one | 03:19 |
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| atlaz | Stskeeps: As said. Couldn't reproduce the missing photos after reset, but i noticed that by removing the Tutorial-app it also removes the Ambience-folder in the gallery for some odd reason | 06:40 |
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| atlaz | Hngh. Not being able to write messages in landscape mode is really - really annoying | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: okay, the latter one is definately a bug (remove tutorial -> remove ambience folder), will file it when i've | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | gotten sufficient coffee to not write non-understandable words :P | 06:46 |
| tanghus | Stskeeps: Ok, I understand completely, but I haven't slept yet :P | 06:48 |
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| tobiski | top of the morning to ya | 07:28 |
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| aupo | It did take me almost two days to test, but finally I have verified that I have successfully changed my low battery warning sound to "Warning, the system has become unstable" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1TwXzBV6Tw | 07:32 |
| Jope | I guess you just cut out the sample in the beginning of the tune | 07:33 |
| tobiski | Wouldn't it be conventional to play the whole song when battery charge is low? | 07:34 |
| Jope | a friend of mine had a song as his sms tone | 07:35 |
| Jope | that was bloody annoying | 07:35 |
| Jope | he claimed it had to be long so he'd hear it from his pocket | 07:35 |
| Jope | whatever.. | 07:35 |
| tobiski | fyi, my comment was meant to be sarcastic, it's sometimes hard to express | 07:36 |
| Jope | yes, I detected the sarcasm :-) | 07:37 |
| Jope | too lazy to think of a witty continuation to it | 07:37 |
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| Frye | =) | 07:39 |
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| FIQ | <aupo> It did take me almost two days to test, but finally I have verified that I have successfully changed my low battery warning sound to "Warning, the system has become unstable" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1TwXzBV6Tw | 07:47 |
| FIQ | now I want to use a f-zero voicetrack blaming my energy level as low battery | 07:47 |
| Jope | how about the speech sample from LED storm? | 07:49 |
| piippo | aupo: time well spent :-) | 07:49 |
| Jope | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LWf7shliawk#t=191 | 07:53 |
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| Jope | "we're running out of energyyy" | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: i've filed a bug about this, good catch | 07:53 |
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| leinir | hmm... time to get all sounds on the phone to sound like SHODAN ;) | 07:56 |
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| Kiranos | approximately how many phones have reached customers now? more than 5000? | 08:03 |
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| mikhas | Kiranos, not enough | 08:05 |
| mikhas | ;-) | 08:05 |
| Kiranos | :) | 08:05 |
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| immotus | is it rediculous to try and flash a SailFish OS ROM onto a T-Mobile G2 (aka HTC Dezire)? Looks like there's a ROM for the N9... http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-ported-to-n9-mini-tutorial/ | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | anybody seen any weird bugs overnight? | 08:10 |
| * immotus saw an earwig | 08:10 | |
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| Kiranos | immotus: yes that is rediculous | 08:11 |
| immotus | Kiranos: bummer.. I couldn't help being optimistic :^) | 08:11 |
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| immotus | Kiranos: I have guesses.. but I'd like to know a few solid reasons why it's rediculous, if you have any handy :^) | 08:12 |
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| Kiranos | immotus: nah not more than if you have to ask it here you probably wont know how to get it to work if there is no guide available, you will have to be a good programmer | 08:13 |
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| Kiranos | no offence, btw :) I cant make it compatible either if there isnt someone already that has done the job for me | 08:13 |
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| Stskeeps | aupo: you'll be pleased to know that your bug about 'He-man heyeayea song for 10 hours' not playing on youtube is a duplicate of such exotic bugs such as 'nyan cat 10 hour not playing' and 'trolololo 10 hours not playing' | 08:15 |
| mikhas | what?! you mean I cannot use the Jolla phone for my new years eve party?! | 08:16 |
| mikhas | that's it, I'll get an iPhone … | 08:16 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i think my best report is still from bug week | 08:17 |
| * w00t finds it | 08:17 | |
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| w00t | [BUG] https://twitter.com/glitchr_ doesn't render correctly | 08:18 |
| immotus | Kiranos: I don't know about a "good" programmer.. but I can usually get the job done if it doesn't involve writing/modifying low-level drivers | 08:18 |
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| mikhas | w00t, heh | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: next to 'compositor wants to kill itself?' | 08:19 |
| mikhas | how do you … how do you even check it's properly rendered? | 08:19 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: "wants to commit suicide" :-) | 08:19 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, it was "compositor wants to commit suicide" | 08:19 |
| faenil | yea :) | 08:19 |
| mikhas | suicide is painless | 08:19 |
| faenil | w00t's idea, but I got the stroopwaffels :D | 08:19 |
| faenil | mikhas, yeah painless for you but not for those around you ;) | 08:20 |
| mikhas | faenil, mash | 08:20 |
| w00t | or those using your phone, in this case | 08:20 |
| w00t | :P | 08:20 |
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| s1gk1ll | hello everyone | 08:25 |
| mikhas | soooo … friday 13th, what could go wrong? | 08:25 |
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| aupo | Jope: Yeah, I actually had the original sample lying around on my phone SD card. (I think it's from Starcraft I or something.) | 08:36 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: I am happy to hear :) | 08:37 |
| Jope | :-) | 08:37 |
| aupo | Interesting, the @glitchr_ site is Russian according to my Chromium. | 08:38 |
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| w00t | mikhas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 | 08:38 |
| aupo | w00t: Why do you do this? | 08:39 |
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| w00t | aupo: longstanding tradition :) | 08:40 |
| covox | my ears :( | 08:40 |
| aupo | FIQ: It's very easy to set up, actually. I think the sounds were in /usr/share/sounds/stereo/ or something, just plain old wav-files, named for convenience. Just replace the original with whatever you want and make sure to backup the original :) | 08:41 |
| aupo | */usr/share/sounds/jolla-ambient/stereo/ | 08:42 |
| * covox rinses them out with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erHJJgyt_Tw | 08:42 | |
| FIQ | ah, same as n900 minus stereo | 08:42 |
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| tjp | anyone else using fingerterm/ssh/screen/irssi-combination? can you get terminal bell notifications in any other way than a brief flash of the terminal window? I was hoping something like an event on the events view or continuous windows flashing or so, | 08:48 |
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| mikhas | w00t, didn't we agree to wait for Saturday? | 08:50 |
| Milo- | where are ambiences stored in the filesystem? mine kind of disappeared from Gallery. | 08:50 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: atlaz's bug has re-emerged it seems with Milo- | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: did you remove tutorial app? | 08:53 |
| aupo | Milo-: Did you happen to remove the jolla-tutorial app? | 08:53 |
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| aupo | Milo-: /usr/share/ambience/ | 08:53 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps removed the shortcut, at least thinking it was just a shortcut | 08:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Milo-: okay, this actually triggers app remvoal and for some reason, that causes default ambiences to vanish | 08:54 |
| Milo- | ack | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | I lost my default ambiences as well | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | dunno what I did | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | is tutorial app still there | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | I removed it, so that may be it | 08:55 |
| Morpog_N9 | just reinstall ambiance package | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | I don | 08:55 |
| Nicd- | I don't need them | 08:56 |
| Nicd- | just wanted to say that I lost them somehow and was a bit confused | 08:56 |
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| Milo- | 0yeah. didn't like that pirate ship that much anyways | 08:57 |
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| Nicd- | I took a bunch of my old photos and they worked quite well | 08:58 |
| aupo | Well, at least it seems that this bug is widely recognised now :) | 08:58 |
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| TheBootroo | Hi ! | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | Still and forever "Paid" here | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo | oh and seems someone partially destroyed the spreadsheet | 09:01 |
| Bysmyyr | What spreadsheet? | 09:02 |
| Bysmyyr | mine is about 100km from here | 09:02 |
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| TheBootroo | Bysmyyr: the one on GDocs with tracking of community orders | 09:02 |
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| TheBootroo | to know approx. which is the highest order # currently processed | 09:03 |
| Bysmyyr | link? | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo | Bysmyyr: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&toomany=true#gid=0 | 09:03 |
| chouchoune | TheBootroo: on which page ? | 09:03 |
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| Bysmyyr | I added my info... hope it will be here today | 09:10 |
| mikhas | would it be possible to … let's say some smart editing … to get more devices than you paid for? | 09:11 |
| special | editing of what? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas is contemplating a ebay sale for giant profits? | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:13 |
| mikhas | just some arbitrage play | 09:14 |
| mikhas | shorting jolla phones and sending ransom notes | 09:14 |
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| mikhas | hey, I've got imaginary kids to feed! | 09:15 |
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| covox | get a cheap plane ticket to finland, visit a whole bunch of DNA stores, some multiple times (e.g. fake beard, glasses, etc) | 09:15 |
| mikhas | see you gotta be careful about *that* | 09:15 |
| MMori | You really should, I'm in love with my phone | 09:15 |
| mikhas | if you short something you surely dont want to bet against yourself by driving up demand | 09:16 |
| covox | MMori: same here ;) | 09:16 |
| MMori | Such an upgrade from my Xpress music 5800 | 09:16 |
| MMori | covox: :) | 09:16 |
| covox | it's 37 and I miss finland already | 09:16 |
| covox | *celsius | 09:16 |
| MMori | I prefer -5 degrees | 09:17 |
| covox | I like 10 | 09:17 |
| MMori | That's nice too, not too cold, not too hot | 09:17 |
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| covox | I can walk around in a t-shirt and listen to everyone bellyache about how freezing it is | 09:18 |
| MMori | :D | 09:18 |
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| MMori | Feels good man | 09:18 |
| MMori | (or woman) | 09:18 |
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| mikhas | that's one advantage you have, with a little bit of extra weight in the right places -- you rarely freeze | 09:19 |
| MMori | :) | 09:20 |
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| mikhas | there are other NSFW advantages, too | 09:20 |
| mikhas | being overweight is underrated | 09:20 |
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| mikhas | anyhow, on shorting jolla phones -- any idea how I could fix shipping addresses? | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | seems like highest 'in picking' is still 200001215, didn't update since yesterday 3PM | 09:21 |
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| faenil | TheBootroo, don't worry that nothing stopped ;) | 09:22 |
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| TheBootroo | faenil: if nothing stopped, why no more update ? yesterday was really active from this point of view | 09:23 |
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| faenil | TheBootroo, don't know what's your source | 09:24 |
| TheBootroo | faenil: rly ? some people here not yet aware of the 'epic comunity spreadsheet' ? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=1 | 09:24 |
| faenil | ah yeah | 09:24 |
| faenil | but it's a spreadsheet... | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: 4 more days to finish the orders off :) | 09:25 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: is this some piece of stats ? | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | 15% per day | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | you do the math | 09:25 |
| Acce | faenil: Don't you know that a spreadsheet always tells the truth? | 09:25 |
| TheBootroo | we dropped just under 60% | 09:25 |
| Acce | every man in the office knows that | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | Acce: this is more than truth: it's a spreadsheet AND google | 09:25 |
| faenil | Acce, :D | 09:26 |
| Acce | ggabriel: true, it's enlightment :) | 09:26 |
| ggabriel | good, i got my toy | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | which is a can opener | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | this will have to do instead of a jolla | 09:28 |
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| Bysmyyr | "On FedEx vehicle for delivery" | 09:29 |
| TheBootroo | Bysmyyr: grrrrr, damn lucky bastard ^^ | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: what country? | 09:29 |
| Bysmyyr | 90 minutes ago... so it will be here soon | 09:29 |
| Bysmyyr | the netherlands | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | i'm heading over there next week Bysmyyr | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | so watch out | 09:30 |
| Bysmyyr | ggabriel: welcome, enschede? | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | amsterdam :P | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | but i can spot a jolla at a significant distance | 09:31 |
| Bysmyyr | I like this big village more | 09:32 |
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| ln- | are the photos taken with the camera supposed to show up in Gallery in the same list as all the preinstalled jolla photos? | 09:39 |
| MMori | I suppose so | 09:39 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: we now have 259 orders tracked on GDoc | 09:54 |
| TheBootroo | i did a lot of data validation on it | 09:54 |
| TheBootroo | and fixed some formula | 09:54 |
| TheBootroo | we are at 59.1% "Paid" | 09:54 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: thanks for tidying things up :) | 09:55 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | map looks nice now, it has water | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | that's the potential market for jolla | 09:56 |
| artemma | Anybody tried Google Maps navigation on Jolla? | 09:56 |
| artemma | Just wondering, not a burning question | 09:56 |
| Milo- | TheBootroo if it makes you feel any better, I walked into a store two days ago,asked if they would sell me a phone, and they did | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | artemma: somebody did, not sure what the outcome was | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | artemma: not sure why you would use gmaps before here maps though | 09:57 |
| artemma | yesterday somebody posted on internet about some Android navigation app working, so I am wonderign why not Google Maps navigation. It doesn't work? | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | unless you live in japan or something | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | android can access the device's gps only as of the first update | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | so that may be an issue | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | s/android/acl/ | 09:57 |
| artemma | ggabriel: I am talking about car navigation only. To my understanding there's no navigation in Jolla's Here yet | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | so you mean turn by turn | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | and google maps has that? :) | 09:58 |
| artemma | yep, turn by turn | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | i haven't seen anybody test that | 09:58 |
| artemma | ggabriel: google maps has it in some countries, finland included | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | you can ask in tmo's jolla user experience thread | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | folks test that for you :) | 09:58 |
| Milo- | but google maps is horrible compardd to ovi maps | 09:58 |
| Milo- | compared | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | i'll miss nokia maps + nokia drive | 09:59 |
| Bysmyyr | depends... in e71 googlemaps is much better | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | that i cna tell you | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | we have to support things like modrana | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | that support offline maps, have turn by turn, even offline routing | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | it isn't user friendly though (yet) | 10:00 |
| Frye | Hmm, what's this lipstick process and why itäs eating 50%+ cpu all the time? :-) | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | Frye: homescreen/composito | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | r | 10:04 |
| Frye | Ok, I guess I need to kill all the running apps. | 10:04 |
| Frye | yep some of the coverpages generated something | 10:05 |
| Frye | Now it settled. | 10:05 |
| Acce | I tried installing Google maps, it wouldn't install like the other android apps | 10:05 |
| tabasko | does GPS work with android apps? | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | o/ | 10:10 |
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| TheBootroo | chem|st: 'lo | 10:13 |
| nander | Hi | 10:13 |
| nander | Still merely 'paid' | 10:13 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: input: what I was thinking about the other night and close to every time I try to get my contacts right is that all phones and tools I came across yet lack a proper logical way to maintain your contacts - I was thinking of a mc style [left|right]view manager with a treeview (in terms of I can look at fields in a contact without actualy needing to open it) kinda thing | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | nander: yeah me too :-( | 10:14 |
| chem|st | In Picking for ~40h | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: middleware for contacts is all open, at least | 10:15 |
| nander | I got an email which stated most of us have had our codes.. | 10:15 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: answering with "it is open" does not help it getting someone to code it... | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: sure | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: it was a conversation starter :) | 10:17 |
| chem|st | ok | 10:17 |
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| chem|st | was just like back in the time I did alpha/beta testing for nokia... "we made an api" | 10:21 |
| mikhas | man changing your carrier is such a pita | 10:22 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, too ashamed to mention tracker? | 10:23 |
| mikhas | or no longer used for contacts? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: we don't use tracker for contacts | 10:23 |
| mikhas | right, haven't followed ;-) | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's used for media indexing and that's it | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo | 58.8% Paid | 10:23 |
| TheBootroo | going down slowly | 10:23 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, there is a media indexer from Canonical, you probably knew that? | 10:24 |
| mikhas | (one that integrates with grilo) | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: isn't it standard practice to write your own media indexer when you launch a mobile OS? | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: cool, cause Tracker sucks at proper contact managing | 10:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | TheBootroo: there are 2 weks left and mre than two passed :( | 10:24 |
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| mikhas | yes, only that this one got some backstory | 10:24 |
| mikhas | TheBootroo, eh | 10:24 |
| mikhas | that just like, your opinion, man | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | ZogG_laptop: yep :-( | 10:25 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: just to let you know, I am all up for any alpha/beta testing, even under NDA but I don't like projectmanager's standardized answers | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | mikhas: nope, experience, on the N950, tracker keeps re-duplicating contacts, i spend hours to merge them, and he duplicates again, sometimes it also lose avatars etc... | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: sure, just investigating what you could do atm | 10:25 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: well need a device first :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i thought you got yours | 10:26 |
| chem|st | nope in picking for 40h now... | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, when you do get a device, you can peek in the qml for contacts app | 10:26 |
| mikhas | TheBootroo, no, what you experience is probably the silly no-local-caching policy Nokia signed with FB and such | 10:27 |
| flux | I rather liked n9's pervasive search | 10:28 |
| mikhas | just read the API usage guidelines … | 10:28 |
| mikhas | phonenumbers and such belong to FB, not the users | 10:28 |
| flux | same search worked for contacts, apps, etc | 10:28 |
| mikhas | flux, +1 | 10:28 |
| flux | compared to jolla having no search at all :) | 10:28 |
| mikhas | flux, who needs search, all I want is find! | 10:29 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: the actual problem I have is that I have no clue about userfriendly ways of connecting a device ota to a desktop, making the db available and wrap an dbUI around it... | 10:29 |
| chem|st | I'd use the editor of my choice and sshmount as needed but that already breaks with windows^^ | 10:30 |
| chem|st | so I thought best way would be to have it in the actual suite - like an advanced-manager-mode | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | moin | 10:31 |
| chem|st | tach auch! | 10:32 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: ohai ! | 10:33 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, 2 weeks is a loooong time :) | 10:33 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: the neverending quest for the new phone ;) | 10:33 |
| Acce | chem|st: how about using sftp? wouldn't that work from windows too | 10:33 |
| * Bysmyyr is HAPPY | 10:34 | |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: oh? | 10:34 |
| Bysmyyr | phone arrives :) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | let em guess - finland ;) | 10:34 |
| Acce | Bysmyyr: congrats! | 10:35 |
| Bysmyyr | tachikoma: netherlands | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | Bysmyyr: hey, wow | 10:35 |
| chem|st | I was just making fun of the 100year old women whom are sent to "pickup" the devices from storage - it came to my mind that some of them die on the way and another one needs to be sent each time - and they get confused as they have to pickup a phone from a warehouse full of phones... | 10:35 |
| Morpog_N9 | tachikoma, a guy from spain got it today | 10:35 |
| mikhas | Bysmyyr, it's not in your hands yet | 10:35 |
| mikhas | the delivery guy could get hit by a truck on the way to your porch | 10:35 |
| RoopeB | I wish the next update of the OS will improve the phone alot. Now there are missing many 'basic' funtionalities. | 10:36 |
| jussi | RoopeB: like? | 10:36 |
| mikhas | or someone who has been tracking your shipment could snipe the two of you *evil grin* | 10:36 |
| chem|st | Acce: users need a button "connect my phone" so for windows a sambashare with password "as shown on device" would do the trick | 10:36 |
| Bysmyyr | mikhas: it is in my hands | 10:37 |
| mikhas | yeah, just wait there | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: seems like 2xxxx2500+ guys like us have to wait more, as for now highest in picking number hasn't moved since yesterday 15:00, still 2xxx1215 | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: let us know of first impressions | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: also, update the device | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:37 |
| mikhas | or rather, your *last* impressions | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo | mikhas: i think it's something like "FINALLY" | 10:38 |
| ln- | about the Documents app: it says "no documents yet. pull down and add a document", but there is no pulley menu. | 10:38 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: does it dial out? does it have a calculator|calendar|contacts|mediaplayer|webbrowser|filemanager ? those are basics... | 10:38 |
| Acce | chem|st: hmm.. do you mean it would appear in the explorer as removable device? | 10:38 |
| chem|st | Acce: network... | 10:39 |
| RoopeB | jussi: Small stuff, but wish to have - home screen icons does not contain any interactive functions, better android support, contacts can't sync/copy numbers directly from web etc etc | 10:39 |
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| RoopeB | chem|st: applications can be loaded, that is not the problem | 10:39 |
| Acce | chem|st: sorry, I must have missed something in previous conversation | 10:40 |
| RoopeB | but I'm sure guys at Jolla will improve usability a lot in future. I have faith :) | 10:40 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: that is called advanced what you are about and what is the deal with android... I buy a jolla to not have to buy that shit [yeah I stop trolling] | 10:40 |
| chem|st | Acce: ota means "over the air" | 10:41 |
| chem|st | if their is no need for cables why use them? | 10:41 |
| RoopeB | chem|st, I don't see missing applications a problem since they can be easily installed by user. | 10:41 |
| Acce | chem|st: oh, okay! | 10:41 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: you said you are missing basics, what you then refer to arent basics | 10:42 |
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| nander | Bysmyyr - I'm jealous | 10:42 |
| nander | ;) | 10:42 |
| RoopeB | chem|st: ok, my mistake, sorry | 10:42 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: :) fine | 10:42 |
| nander | Delivery was quick then ;) | 10:42 |
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| Milo- | Stskeeps I experienced a small segmentation fault with "people" app. Should I send it to care@jolla.com or somewhere else? | 10:42 |
| Milo- | It seems to be producible at almost all times. | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: what version are you on? | 10:43 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: yeah the nonInteractive homescreen is a designFlaw I guess | 10:43 |
| Milo- | laadunjärvi | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: okay, can you run me through what you do to make it crash? | 10:43 |
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| Milo- | sure. I'll query you | 10:43 |
| RoopeB | chem|st: I'm sure it will improve in many ways near future | 10:43 |
| ggabriel | the os/usability/etc is the least of my concerns | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | as it will be improved | 10:44 |
| chem|st | RoopeB: that is expected... some day we will have a RC and some after that a release... | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | or jolla will fail | 10:44 |
| ggabriel | but to avoid jolla from failing, people ought to support them ;) | 10:44 |
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| mikhas | ggabriel, you miss the point | 10:46 |
| mikhas | jolla as such already won | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | mikhas: sorry, didn't ready everything, am between calls | 10:46 |
| RoopeB | chem|st: Yep | 10:46 |
| mikhas | 2 years from idea to product, with a smaller-than-usual team | 10:46 |
| mikhas | everything that comes on top of that now is just bonus | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | mikhas: i still think that jolla has to polish the os a lot more if they want to grow | 10:47 |
| ggabriel | however, i'm happy with them staying small for a while longer :-) | 10:47 |
| mikhas | that kind of assumes knowing what jolla wants to do in the future | 10:47 |
| Bysmyyr | hmm, I forgot to buy bigger memorycard, now I have on 16gb | 10:47 |
| mikhas | which not even the jolla folks know yet ;-) | 10:47 |
| w00t | mikhas: world domination, of course | 10:48 |
| mikhas | w00t, such a pity goal | 10:48 |
| ggabriel | :) | 10:48 |
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| RoopeB | chem|st: in my opinnion, Jolla isn't quite ready yet for normal users / customers. Would have been great to have a bit more finished OS. But the rest of us, it's just fun and game ;) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish beta indeed | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we're moving fast on that though | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | from the video it looks great | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | and i'm still with my n9 | 10:50 |
| tachikoma | oh, sailfish os is officially still in 'beta'? | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | also, most consumers will buy something that is pretty anyway | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: check jolla.com :) | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | still beta baby | 10:50 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: i can't read ;) | 10:50 |
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| tachikoma | oh - wait ... | 10:50 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: hopefully your "beta" meaning is more stable than some "1.0-final" softs ;) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: my sailfish is more stable than my fedora 19. | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | 19?! | 10:51 |
| phdeswer | Tofe: it is ;) | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | oh, no, i have to upgrade gf's computer soon... | 10:51 |
| RoopeB | chem|st: but yet again, if I compare Jolla to the first iPhone back then. The situation is much the same. More or less unfinished product. | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | RoopeB: my point exactly :) people buy things that are pretty | 10:52 |
| Acce | yep, it's unreasonable to expect perfection if something has not been tested | 10:52 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: you might ping me for tmo reports like this - I am a bit slow on today^^ | 10:52 |
| RoopeB | ggabriel: hehe, that's very true | 10:53 |
| Acce | and atleast the finnish media was all like "no features, crashes, no applications, blah blah" | 10:53 |
| sharpneli | Acce: You forgot that the phone is so slippery it's hard to keep it in hand :D | 10:53 |
| sharpneli | Courtesy of Iltalehti. | 10:53 |
| RoopeB | ggabriel: though Jolla isn't "that" pretty. Looks a bit like a cousin to some Nokia models. | 10:53 |
| tachikoma | RoopeB: until you turn it on ;) | 10:54 |
| Acce | sharpneli: haha, that was the best :) | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | RoopeB: i can't comment, i don't know what pretty is for most people | 10:54 |
| RoopeB | tachikoma: :D yep | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | RoopeB: sometimes all you need is a guy telling you "this is pretty" | 10:54 |
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| RoopeB | ggabriel: Very true in many many cases. Finnish brand Marimekko is one of the most horrifying example to that. Their clothing accessories, fabrics' patterns etc. are really ugly :D yet many are considering them as "fashionable". | 10:57 |
| RoopeB | ggabriel: and all of this beacause they are stated fashionable by press and such | 10:58 |
| tachikoma | RoopeB: don;t tell me about it, the stuff my wife sometimes wants to buy me ... horribly ugly, but then I'm told "that's the new style!"... | 10:58 |
| Acce | I will never understand "fashion" | 10:58 |
| RoopeB | tachikoma, haha! :D | 10:58 |
| Milo- | l | 10:59 |
| RoopeB | Acce, you can be taught ;-) | 11:00 |
| Acce | RoopeB: yes, but I'm quite sure I don't want to be taught :D | 11:01 |
| aupo | Just ran into Marimekko in a rather unexpected place: The Garden of Words, a Japanese anime movie by Shinkai Makoto had a Marimekko coffee cup in it, yellow unikko design. Then again, Marimekko is very popular among young women in Japan, so I guess it is understandable after all. | 11:01 |
| Acce | Although it is important to understand "fashion", if you want to make products that sell, I guess | 11:01 |
| RoopeB | Acce: :D hehe | 11:01 |
| phdeswer | sharpneli: Well the Ilalehti guy seemed pissed since he did not get a freebee.... And well quality pres... | 11:01 |
| RoopeB | Acce: also true | 11:02 |
| tachikoma | who is this Ilalehti guy | 11:02 |
| aupo | And what should've he gotten? | 11:02 |
| tachikoma | "Iltalehti (literally "Evening newspaper") " ? | 11:02 |
| Acce | tachikoma: It's kind of "sensational" newspaper, mostly having dramatic headlines and when you read the article, it's nothing related to the heading | 11:03 |
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| phdeswer | aupo: I think he expected to get a free Jolla. | 11:03 |
| tachikoma | yeah, i get it. thought it was a person | 11:03 |
| hene- | latest news about Jolla in Iltalehti was... wel... | 11:04 |
| hene- | *well | 11:04 |
| hene- | shitty :) | 11:04 |
| tachikoma | a person named Iltalehti | 11:04 |
| Acce | tachikoma: well, someone having Iltalehti as a surname in finland doesn't sound too weird I guess | 11:04 |
| RoopeB | LoL | 11:06 |
| aupo | Yes, that is a well written article about critiquing a phone, indeed. It's good that the writer managed to keep his personal annoyance with the marketing / testing event out of the article. | 11:07 |
| tachikoma | good that i stopped listening to journalists opinions about 10 years ago | 11:08 |
| Acce | Although I guess it's humane to be annoyed with things you don't understand | 11:08 |
| Eztran | I don't think I've ever seen a decent tech article in a tabloid anyway. | 11:09 |
| aupo | Acce: I wouldn't say he's annoyed about not understanding the phone, more like it seems he had nothing to say about the phone (Perhaps not understanding it or not having the necessary resources to actually make a critique on it and compare it to other phones.) and had to fill the word requirement one way or another. | 11:09 |
| zbenjamin | YAY ! Got a shipment number | 11:11 |
| Acce | aupo: I see, that could be the case. | 11:11 |
| Acce | congrats, zbenjamin! | 11:11 |
| zbenjamin | finally ;) | 11:11 |
| zbenjamin | wow its in germany already, i might get it tomorrow !!! | 11:11 |
| narchie | I didn't realise someone took Iltalehti serious | 11:14 |
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| Morpog_N9 | zbenjamin, when did you get in picking state? | 11:15 |
| Morpog_N9 | yesterday? | 11:16 |
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| Acce | narchie: Many people in finland seem to do so | 11:20 |
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| Morpog_N9 | zbenjamin? | 11:26 |
| sledges | he passed out | 11:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | zbenjamin: what is the order # | 11:26 |
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| jussi | narchie: its a sad truth... | 11:28 |
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| faenil | that's what happens when you receive the tracking number | 11:29 |
| sledges | 7days | 11:29 |
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| Bysmyyr | what is the best way to move contacts to jolla from nokia e71(symbian) | 11:35 |
| mikhas | sledges, :-D | 11:35 |
| mikhas | sledges, and unless you give your phone to me, it'll kill you | 11:35 |
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| sledges | just the ring ;) | 11:36 |
| mikhas | the ring? the ring-tone you mean? | 11:36 |
| sledges | no, The Ring ;) | 11:36 |
| Jope | bysmyyr, you can try to sync them via bluetooth, or alternately slurp in the vcfs with nokia pc suite, cat them together into one long text file, put that on the phone and import it | 11:37 |
| Jope | you can of course put the files in individually, but then you need to tap each one separately | 11:37 |
| Bysmyyr | Jope: lets try :) where I found that bt sync? | 11:38 |
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| Bysmyyr | I found sync, but it do not do anything | 11:39 |
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| mikhas | Bysmyyr, most efficient sync you ever had I bet | 11:42 |
| MMori | Well the sync didn't work for me either and I couldn't send all contacts as vcf files straight from xpress music 5800 -> jolla so I did a dirty hack and emailed those to my email and added that way. | 11:45 |
| MMori | (I don't have lots of contacts) | 11:46 |
| RoopeB | Byshmyyr, yep. Same problem here. Had export my contacts from google as .vcf and then send it my self as email. Email open with Jolla's browser, downloaded the .vfc and installed from transfers -> all my contacts got copied nicely to the phone. :) | 11:48 |
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| Mirv | was there instructions available on how to query Cell ID / perceived signal strength / GSM chip power input? | 11:51 |
| yanoo | that's the spirit of Jolla. Something doesn't work? Any user can do simple hacking :) | 11:53 |
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| Bysmyyr | I miss hardware keyboard | 11:54 |
| Bysmyyr | first task: reset windows password XD | 11:54 |
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| ln- | even though there is instantaneous visual feedback on starting an application, it could still be nice if there was also haptic feedback to indicate that i really touched the app icon properly. | 11:59 |
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| jussi | ln-: ++ | 12:18 |
| zbenjamin | ZogG_laptop: Shipment #200000323 for Order #200000256 | 12:22 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: a few days ago. But i got no mail so i can't tell you when it was exactly | 12:23 |
| tabasko | hmm, downloading paid apps doesnt work with google play + jolla? | 12:26 |
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| MMori | tabasko: someone said yesterday that you can remote install those | 12:28 |
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| TheBootroo | zbenjamin: shipment number looks a lot like an order number | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: spreadsheet going more epic at each second | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | 275 orders listed now | 13:04 |
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| Yaniel | haha | 13:12 |
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| Yaniel | so now I'm using my phone to control my desktop pc that streams a flac stream to my laptop to play it | 13:12 |
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| Yaniel | *mpd on my desktop pc | 13:13 |
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| FireFly | O, device get | 13:14 |
| Yaniel | yay | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: didn't I tell you that you were going to get excited? hehe, i like that spreadsheet | 13:15 |
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| Yaniel | relink please? | 13:16 |
| zutto | Yaniel: sounds like what i do | 13:16 |
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| ggabriel | Yaniel: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=0 | 13:16 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i'm not really excited as picking number didn't increased since yesterday, just seeing that count of order tracked is growing | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | ty ggabriel | 13:17 |
| zutto | i have remote control at my home server that controls my remote servers MPD that plays files from my home server and listen to them on my basement using raspberry pi | 13:17 |
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| zutto | it sounds like complicated setup, but really its very simple :P | 13:17 |
| Yaniel | haha | 13:18 |
| Yaniel | well, I mostly set this up just because | 13:18 |
| Yaniel | I have most of my music on said laptop anyway | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | I have airplay at home, it's nice | 13:18 |
| Yaniel | and use mainly headphones | 13:18 |
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| zutto | i just wanted to listen to my music from anywhere in the world without doing any fancy tricks | 13:19 |
| Yaniel | (Sennheiser HD-598 <3) | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | zutto: get an mp3 player :P | 13:19 |
| zutto | since i'm streaming all the music trought interwebs, i can listen to the music anywhere | 13:19 |
| zutto | Nicd-: got a suggestion for mp3 player that can hold around 600gb of music? | 13:19 |
| zutto | last time i checked, best one was something like 64gigs ;| | 13:20 |
| zutto | and the price for that was horrible | 13:20 |
| Yaniel | heh now I feel pretty amateurish | 13:20 |
| zutto | when i can just use my phone | 13:20 |
| Yaniel | I only have 3,5GB as 256kbps aac | 13:20 |
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| Nicd- | zutto: 160 GB should be enough for anyone | 13:20 |
| zutto | not for me | 13:21 |
| Yaniel | flac very much? | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | I have around 32 GB, just enough to go over so I have a 64 GB player now | 13:21 |
| zutto | 160gb would barely contain all my recorded internet shows | 13:21 |
| zutto | Yaniel: about 1/5 is flac ;E | 13:21 |
| Yaniel | :/ | 13:21 |
| Yaniel | also SMPC seems to lose its connection all the time :( | 13:22 |
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| zutto | http://i-g.me/Q6_d the fun times of downloading trackerful of music | 13:22 |
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| Nicd- | seems mp3 players bigger than the ipod classic don't really exist | 13:24 |
| zutto | yep :| | 13:24 |
| zutto | but we dont need one these days | 13:24 |
| FIQ | <Nicd-> zutto: 160 GB should be enough for anyone | 13:24 |
| FIQ | no, you think too big... 64KB is enough | 13:24 |
| zutto | FIQ: well, 64KB can contain the player that supports http streams | 13:25 |
| zutto | easily | 13:25 |
| zutto | so yeah! | 13:25 |
| zutto | and something to decode the music | 13:25 |
| Yaniel | hw decoders | 13:26 |
| zutto | that works | 13:26 |
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| Yaniel | and music can be in ROM :P | 13:27 |
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| zbenjamin | WTF? Why does my shipment state @ fedex say "Canceled by Sender"? | 13:29 |
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| MMori | zbenjamin: time to contact jolla asap | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: what country? | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: germany | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: i think care@ is a good idea | 13:31 |
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| Tofe | cybette: finally, I'll skip Helsinki and go directly to Turku. But most probably, we will take the occasion to visit Tampere, and therefore, hopefully, meet some of you :) | 13:34 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: just wrote a mail, i hope they are still there | 13:34 |
| zbenjamin | now that makes me nervous | 13:34 |
| atlaz | Is there a way for me to easilly mount(?) my SD-card, so i could clean it somewhat? Seems that Gallery -> Photos finds _every single_ image-file on the external SD-card. I can see whats on the sdcard by jolla-fileman and /run/user/100000/media/sdcard but i can't delete any files via that app | 13:35 |
| faenil | Tofe, if it's before 20 you'll find me as well :) (not sure you give a damn :D) | 13:35 |
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| Yaniel | atlaz: use the terminal? | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | or connect the sdcard to a computer and clean it there | 13:38 |
| atlaz | Yeah... nah. Me and my big fingers and ~1500 cache-thumbnails | 13:38 |
| Yaniel | ouch | 13:38 |
| Yaniel | yeah cache thumbnails are a PITA | 13:38 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: can't you ping someone? ;) | 13:38 |
| FIQ | while I don't mind use of terminal, it should be possible to do such basic stuff like removing files from the gui... | 13:38 |
| atlaz | ES File Exporer from Yandex.store can't even get further than /run/user/100000, just shows empty folder | 13:38 |
| FIQ | not that *I* would do that, but others might not want to play with the term too much | 13:39 |
| Tofe | faenil: I don't know the exact date yet, but I'll try to make it next week, as many may be on vacation after that; so, yes, pleased to know you can be there ! | 13:39 |
| MMori | zbenjamin: community, customers, never expecting much from developers <3 :P | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: where was the last point? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: as in, location | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: and no, i can't do much, care@ is the entry | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | FIQ: well in gallery you *can* remove pictures | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | press and hold | 13:40 |
| atlaz | Hmm. I could try that | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | or swipe down to enable select mode | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | and tap the images you want | 13:40 |
| MMori | Yaniel: that's really slow... | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | yes | 13:40 |
| MMori | select mode? :o | 13:40 |
| Yaniel | it works for a screenful of images | 13:40 |
| * MMori picks up the phone | 13:40 | |
| faenil | Tofe, ok good :) | 13:41 |
| Yaniel | but 1500 is not something you'd want to do by hand anyway :D | 13:41 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: its already in Germany, Koeln | 13:42 |
| Venemo | hey! | 13:42 |
| atlaz | Yaniel: unless you are at work | 13:42 |
| atlaz | or/and the CEO | 13:42 |
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| zbenjamin | no idea why it was canceled its paid and everything | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | zbenjamin: that sounds a bit weird indeed | 13:42 |
| Yaniel | I'd want to use the terminal for it in any case | 13:42 |
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| Yaniel | unless someone makes a hc filemanager/whatever where I can use autocompletion and regexes for filenames | 13:43 |
| Venemo | hc=? | 13:44 |
| Yaniel | hardcore | 13:44 |
| Morpog_Mobile | zbenjamin: it gets rerouted to me :) | 13:44 |
| Venemo | ah | 13:44 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: not funny ! | 13:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | :D | 13:45 |
| zbenjamin | Morpog_PC: after all that waiting, more delay! that really sucks | 13:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I feel with you | 13:46 |
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| zbenjamin | Morpog_Mobile: because i guess that shipment is cancelled, which means they have to send a completely new one , i doubt they can just reopen the shipment | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it got damaged or something enroute, but only thing i can suggest is contacting care@ | 13:47 |
| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: already did | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:47 |
| zbenjamin | how fast do they respond? | 13:47 |
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| zbenjamin | Stskeeps: ah yeah, damage could be a explanation, but that would be a really bad status message from fedex, because it brings heat to the people who didn't screw it up | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | fedex will have to compensate innit | 13:50 |
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| cybette | Tofe: cool! please ping me and let me know when you're in tampere and i'll see what i can arrange | 14:01 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: hi ! any crispy news to feed us ?? | 14:03 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: 56% now, can we go under 50% until tonight ? | 14:03 |
| nander | 56% still waiting? | 14:03 |
| TheBootroo | nander: yeah | 14:04 |
| nander | Where do you get those stats? | 14:04 |
| TheBootroo | nander: on the epic spreadsheet | 14:04 |
| TheBootroo | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=1 | 14:04 |
| TheBootroo | it's approx uniform subset of the community | 14:04 |
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| TheBootroo | so while not accurate, it helps us to know where our order is compared to others | 14:05 |
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| nander | I'm in the 56% | 14:05 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: i worked 20 hours yesterday and only 5 today so far (but continuing). oh you mean jolla news.. packages are getting shipped continuously right now as we speak and probably through the night. | 14:05 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: 20h ? that's big | 14:05 |
| nander | Wow.. | 14:05 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: are you going to work tomorow too ? | 14:05 |
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| nander | I give you a virtual hug | 14:06 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: most likely, to dael with some stuff i didn't manage to get to during th week | 14:06 |
| cybette | nander: thanks! :) | 14:06 |
| TheBootroo | yeah me too *hug* | 14:06 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: aww much needed | 14:06 |
| TheBootroo | keep the ships going | 14:06 |
| faenil | <---- this guy was reviewing code with Sage at 2AM | 14:06 |
| cybette | yup | 14:06 |
| jussi | cybette: Ill come down and help out in exchange for a Jolla :D | 14:06 |
| mattaustin | What? Noooooooooo. I just checked my Fedex tracking code: "07:23 | 14:06 |
| mattaustin | Shipment cancelled by sender | 14:06 |
| mattaustin | " | 14:06 |
| * TheBootroo gives a shot of 'rest' to cybette | 14:07 | |
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| Yaniel | faenil: are you saying that is not the only correct time for that? :P | 14:07 |
| cybette | jussi: you didn't order one? tsk tsk | 14:07 |
| TheBootroo | jussi: smart ! | 14:07 |
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| MMori | oh boy, not you too mattaustin.. | 14:07 |
| cybette | faenil: 2am is the best time! | 14:07 |
| faenil | Yaniel, it depends on how much your eyes hurt and if you're more or less 15h :P | 14:07 |
| mattaustin | MMori: It's happened to others? | 14:07 |
| faenil | since you started the day | 14:07 |
| jussi | cybette: unfortunately the financial situation at the moment is not permitting such actions ;) | 14:07 |
| cybette | i'm useless around 6am - noon. but 10pm - 4am yay | 14:07 |
| MMori | contact care@jolla.com now, you're 2nd today | 14:08 |
| faenil | mattaustin, which country? | 14:08 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: S-C-A-R-I-N-G | 14:08 |
| nander | Cybette, did you hear the community wants to organize a native application contest? | 14:08 |
| mattaustin | faenil: UK. It's got as far as entering the UK | 14:08 |
| Yaniel | nander: really? | 14:08 |
| cybette | jussi: i hope it improves soon. i can let you play with a device briefly :) | 14:08 |
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| Sage_ | faenil: me? are you sure ;) | 14:09 |
| faenil | Sage_, :D | 14:09 |
| mattaustin | MMori: OK, will do! I'll give Fedex a call too. | 14:09 |
| cybette | nander: cool! link to info? | 14:09 |
| nander | None yet | 14:09 |
| Sage_ | faenil: I have quite faint memories about such things ;) | 14:09 |
| jussi | cybette: sounds fun. I have been part of the community porting to other devices effort, so playing with sailfish at least has been possible :) | 14:09 |
| MMori | mattaus, I hope you'll get your phone | 14:09 |
| faenil | Sage_, ahah | 14:09 |
| cybette | jussi: great to hear :) | 14:09 |
| MMori | mattaustin: you'll get your phone, but I hope you'll get it sooner than later | 14:10 |
| nander | We're kinda waiting on a signal on SDL on jolla ;) | 14:10 |
| cybette | mattaustin: please contact care, and in this case sounds like fedex may be able to give you a clearer update on the situation | 14:10 |
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| atlaz | Oh my lord. That is pretty annoying. Every time i remove my Other Half and put it back it automatically changes the ambient to the Snow White - without asking. Now i have to go to the gallery and reset my photo as an ambient | 14:11 |
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| mattaustin | cybette: Will do! :) I've been refreshing that tracking page for a day to watch it's progress, and suddenly seeing that is gut-wrenching! :/ | 14:11 |
| nander | Atlas, you know what's a lot more annoying? | 14:11 |
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| TheBootroo | nander: not having the device | 14:12 |
| nander | Yes ;) | 14:12 |
| TheBootroo | i know that feel, bro | 14:12 |
| MMori | :P | 14:12 |
| nander | Let jolla fix that bug first ;) | 14:12 |
| TheBootroo | i think i can live with bugs, but not without the phone | 14:12 |
| atlaz | I was kinad surprised that i could just walk in the store and leave with a Jolla, even when preorderes haven't gotten their yet :( | 14:12 |
| TheBootroo | atlaz: sssshhh | 14:13 |
| nander | I can't do that | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | atlaz: extensively discussed and explained issue in my opinion :) | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | s/issue/topic/ | 14:13 |
| nander | Well, I could, but that'd cost me 400 euros for a second device + plane tickets | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | plane tickets are super expensive in december | 14:14 |
| Tofe | yes, around xmas it becomes crazy, surprisingly :) | 14:14 |
| MMori | "You would do anything for Jolla, You would do anything for a Jolla, you would do anything for your Jolla. But you won't do that, oh no" | 14:14 |
| nander | This weekend I think it wouldn't be that bad | 14:14 |
| MMori | <end of musical quote> | 14:14 |
| Tofe | nander: there's a little storm going on today, your flight could have been cancelled | 14:15 |
| jussi | MMori: cheesy.... | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | nander: i checked flights yesterday to a not so far away country | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | and wow | 14:15 |
| ggabriel | 3x normal price | 14:15 |
| MMori | jussi: I thought it was really tasty! | 14:15 |
| atlaz | I reserved tickets from Kokkola to Helsinki and back for next tuesday. Price was ~110 euros, same as always. I guess the yuletide-price's don't effect the smaller routes that much | 14:16 |
| AL13N_work | atlaz: you can probably learn TOH to use a different one, you just need to set it | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | atlaz: favourite your ambience then you don't need to open gallery for that | 14:17 |
| AL13N_work | faenil: btw: were you able to contact tbr or nemo ppl? | 14:17 |
| tbr | huh? | 14:17 |
| AL13N_work | ah | 14:17 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: you're here, that simplifies things | 14:18 |
| mattaustin | cybette: Just FYI - Fedex could not tell me anything other than to contact the sender. They said they had no other information to give me. So I'll email care now. | 14:18 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: faenil and i are gonna set up some kind of bugtracking that community is gonna manage, some devs have already agreed to look at it... faenil said he would ask you if you had some space on your server for that | 14:18 |
| faenil | tbr, <3 | 14:19 |
| cybette | mattaustin: ouch. ok. i don't see any reason why we would cancel anything when we're trying so hard to get the Jolla in your hands but please contact care. fingers crossed for you! | 14:19 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: the idea is to have 3 categories: harbour; sailfish; alien dalvik | 14:19 |
| tbr | faenil: can do | 14:20 |
| tbr | I'm in some telcos now | 14:20 |
| tbr | I'm pondering to get a new domain for that | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: huh, what about #200002549 ? | 14:20 |
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| tbr | or we put this under devaamo for now | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | (just kidding, you told me you don't have access to this information) | 14:20 |
| tbr | that would work | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: according to your logic, they are ~1000 orders away | 14:20 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: arghhh | 14:21 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: :D I'm sure you'll manage! | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: actually, fewer, maybe ~700 | 14:21 |
| MMori | Just hold on there a bit longer | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 14:21 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: you are leaving the 20th? | 14:21 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: 21th at 6AM so yes i MUST have it on 20th | 14:22 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: yeah the system is pretty delicate right now (but finally working correctly after the initial technical issues) so i won't touch it even if i have access in case it blows up again. i'll just say a prayer for #200002549 | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | (unless fedex delivers the 21th at 4AM XD) | 14:22 |
| MMori | oh my, I realized what's going on with the cancelled shipments. It's 13th friday today... | 14:22 |
| Venemo | cybette: why, who's that? | 14:22 |
| cybette | Venemo: who's what? | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: good luck buddy, suggest you observe typical processing time for other French orders (from in picking to delivered) | 14:22 |
| Venemo | cybette: #200002549 | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: some french had 24h shipping time, quite fast | 14:23 |
| cybette | Venemo: TheBootroo | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | Venemo: it's me | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | just need it to be sent, and after that, i know fedex is quite quick | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: you may not have noticed that TheBootroo is a bit anxious about his/her jolla | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | hehe | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | least we can say yes | 14:23 |
| Venemo | oh, I see | 14:24 |
| TheBootroo | (ggabriel, it's 'HIS' ;-) ) | 14:24 |
| mattaustin | cybette: Thanks! Have emailed. Was hoping to get it forwarded it Australia in time for the Christmas break. Had my fingers crossed too, but doesn't look like my luck is in :P ! | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: thanks, that's hte problem with english. i'd have used "their" but not sure everybody would get it | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | mattaustin: does it work in .au? | 14:24 |
| Bysmyyr | fedex was quite fast, I got tracking code 8pm and phone 12am | 14:25 |
| Venemo | cybette: could you please clarify something for me? there's something I couldn't get a definite answer to. are the shippings ordered by the date of the original preorder, or by the date of the final purchase? also, are the 100€ preorderers getting it sooner than the 40€ and 0€ ones? | 14:25 |
| mattaustin | ggabriel: Sure, why not? Or you mean LTE - no idea! | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | mattaustin: yeah, i mean everything :) gsm/3g/lte | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | mattaustin: at least on paper | 14:26 |
| mattaustin | ggabriel: I checked GSM/3G and that seemed fine. Am happy to change from Virgin Mobile (Optus network) if I have to, but I think gsm/3g at least will work on that network. | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | mattaustin: cool | 14:27 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: oh I did notice that :) | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | i'll allow myself to be pissed off when every other order is fulfilled except for mine | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | and by the time that happens, i'll probably be in amsterdam, so i know exactly what to do to relax | 14:28 |
| Yaniel | are the frequency bands published online yet btw? | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: no, but we know what it says in the box | 14:28 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz UMTS: 900/2100 MHz | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | somebody said | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | ymmv | 14:29 |
| Yaniel | I have the box here next to me ^^ | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 14:29 |
| Yaniel | and it has exactly those | 14:29 |
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| Yaniel | + MFG 11,2013 (pretty recent I think) | 14:30 |
| Yaniel | *MFG Date | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | one would expect ;) | 14:30 |
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| ggabriel | does the battery say when it was manufactured (just out of curiosity) | 14:30 |
| hene- | it does not. its wrapped in black jolla-tape | 14:31 |
| hene- | hmm, altough I did not checked the bottom of battery | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | hene-: ta | 14:32 |
| Yaniel | nope | 14:33 |
| Yaniel | Model 22B50 | 14:33 |
| Yaniel | Manufacturer NLT ELECTRONICS | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | ok, thanks | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | i'll want another one | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | jolla, take a hint | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | ;) | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | shame they couldn't do it altogether | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | i would have happily bought phone+extra battery | 14:34 |
| rauz_ | wuhu my status has change now it is "in picking" | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | more revenue and all that | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | rauz_: woohoo | 14:35 |
| rauz_ | :D | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | (vc's love revenue, not sure why) | 14:35 |
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| Nicd- | Jonni: tanarilta terveisiä | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | whoops, wrong language | 14:39 |
| Jonni | Nicd-: thanks. | 14:40 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: thanks! | 14:41 |
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| mattaustin | Looks like there are at least three others reporting "Shipment cancelled by sender" on TMO :/ Hopefully this will all get resolved over the weekend! | 14:46 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: someone with 2383 has gone "in picking" ! getting closer to us ;-) | 14:48 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: yeh, I'm running against walls trying to get the sdk running on my laptop ... | 14:49 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: just updated, works like a charm | 14:49 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: yes - ibn my desktop it does | 14:50 |
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| tachikoma | on my laptop, starting teh emulation vm fails badly | 14:50 |
| tachikoma | freshly installed system, new user | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: no errors when installing? | 14:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha in picking | 14:51 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: none that i could see | 14:51 |
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| ggabriel | tachikoma: how does the vm crash? virtualbox should have a log and all that | 14:51 |
| tachikoma | it does not crash | 14:52 |
| tachikoma | it never starts | 14:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: \o/ | 14:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: ^ | 14:52 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, :D | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: the mer one? | 14:52 |
| tachikoma | wwhen clicking the entry in the virtualbox gui, i get 'Could not get nedium attachment info' "0x80bb0001 (No storage device attached to device slot 0 on port 1 of controller 'SATA'" | 14:52 |
| tachikoma | yes, the mer one | 14:53 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, so I guess it will ship on monday, unless the poor guys work in weekend this time as well :) | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: aha, it looks like the vm wasn't set up properly | 14:53 |
| tachikoma | however, i can start it from the vbox gui | 14:53 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: is 'virtualization' enabled in your BIOS ? a friend of mine had similar issue | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: really? that's strange | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: if you don't have that, vbox fails differently | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | (it actually tells you) | 14:53 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: ok | 14:54 |
| hene- | in what state is native Whatsapp for Jolla? | 14:54 |
| tachikoma | when trying to start from qtcreator, i get this: http://pastebin.com/wThQz7tL | 14:54 |
| hene- | or that one which was from N9 | 14:54 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: for my friend, vbox starts and stop in less than a sec | 14:54 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: of courese, the mer sdk vm boots without a glitch | 14:54 |
| tachikoma | i already treid as a fresh user now | 14:54 |
| tachikoma | same issue | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: that error is for the sailfish one, not the mer one ;-) | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: can you start the sailfish one (the one with the UI) from vbox? | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: that's strange... maybe an old version... | 14:55 |
| tachikoma | ok, to make it clear. The emulator of the device does not work, the build vm does work. | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: what do you have under "Storage" in the SailfishOS emulator vm? | 14:56 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: where do i see that | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: go to the virtualbox gui | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | click sailfish os emulator | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | on the right hand side you'll see the summary of hte configuration | 14:56 |
| tachikoma | in the virtualbox gui i can see cpu, network, and so on, but no info about storage beside the cdrom | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | also: whta version of vbox do you have? | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: then that may be your issue | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | we can try to fix manually if you want | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | or you can try to uninstall and install again | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: After cleaning some duplicates, we've gone just under 54.2% | 14:57 |
| tachikoma | 4.2.18 | 14:57 |
| tachikoma | latest i could get as rpm for opensuse 12.3 | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: same as me | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | TheBootroo: I guess well finally have to believe that they are shipping then | 14:57 |
| tachikoma | same as on my desktop, where everything works | 14:57 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: hehe | 14:57 |
| tachikoma | i already installed 3 times now | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: it seems to me like the intsall program didn't manage to configure that vm proprely | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: the install issues a few vboxmanage commands, they may fail | 14:58 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: i'll believe when i'll see "In picking" on mine, not before | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: do you use pulseaudio? | 14:58 |
| tachikoma | yes | 14:58 |
| tachikoma | well, the system has it configured by default | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: ok, i suggest you add the storage manually | 14:58 |
| cybette | Venemo: Finnish pre-orders from first campaign in May, EU pre-orders, and second-wave pre-orders (which was FI only). | 14:58 |
| cybette | Venemo: no further break down | 14:58 |
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| ggabriel | tachikoma: look for a sailfishos.vdi file where you installed the sdk | 14:59 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: yeah, have to do that tomorrow, need to do some work and then leave, but thanks for the help | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | find $SDK_HOME -name sailfishos.vdi | 14:59 |
| tachikoma | i read that already | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: work?! what?! :-) | 14:59 |
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| ggabriel | tachikoma: feel free to shout, i can help if around | 14:59 |
| tachikoma | disk is configured in there and also in the right location on the disk, with proper access rights | 14:59 |
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| tachikoma | i mean in the right location in my home | 15:00 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: it's quite strange. mine failed at install due to pulse audio | 15:00 |
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| Yaniel | TheBootroo: I'm playing with mine already so... | 15:00 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: i "ignored" the command to configure the vm, but then configured it myself with alsa | 15:00 |
| tachikoma | the install went through without a glitch | 15:00 |
| tachikoma | repeatedly | 15:00 |
| tachikoma | 1310 and 1312 | 15:00 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: good, i estimate that jolla is processing 1500 orders a day | 15:01 |
| * cybette will not answer any more qns about order of the orders, it's not exact, the technical problem might have mixed things up in some cases, so nothing i say will satisfy anyone (including myself) | 15:01 | |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: yeap, very strange | 15:01 |
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| TheBootroo | cybette: hehe | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | cybette: you probably wish that the /ignore command worked with regexp ;-) | 15:01 |
| tachikoma | I'm installing one more time with --verbose | 15:02 |
| cybette | all i can say is we are shipping and the rate is increasing after solving the issues, and thank you for your patience, sincerely and honestly! | 15:02 |
| cybette | ggabriel: yeah | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | cybette: actually, it's easier with a bot | 15:03 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: at least issues are "solved" or "being solved" ? | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | anyway, tachikoma's problem is much more interesting | 15:03 |
| ggabriel | i think the sdk installer has to be a bit nicer when vboxmanage returns with anything but 0 | 15:03 |
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| ggabriel | or maybe configure the vm in stages | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | so if it fails configuring the audio or something trivial like that, it doesn't break the vm altogether | 15:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: hello | 15:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | i never saw cybette in life chat but read a lot on twitter ans posts | 15:04 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: 52.7% now | 15:07 |
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| TheBootroo | i think emails are sent by batchs | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: yeap, i expect it to go to circa 45% today | 15:07 |
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| TheBootroo | that's why we have long periods without updates and just after, tons of updates in a few time | 15:07 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: not sure how it will progress during the weekend, but i expect some slack | 15:07 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i hope mine gets processed today/tomorow | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: remember that we are depending on humans actually going and updating manually :) | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: humans aren't reliable | 15:08 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: solved (for now) http://jpegy.com/images/uploads/2012/07/Trust-me-Im-an-engineer.jpg | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo | so it can travel next week and i can handle logistical issue if any | 15:08 |
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| TheBootroo | cybette: hehe | 15:08 |
| cybette | ZogG_laptop: hello! i haven't ment many people in here either. would love to though | 15:08 |
| ggabriel | cybette: lol | 15:08 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: hope my Jolla isn't in that plane XD | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | cybette: i keep telling that to my gf when on airplanes | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | and she keeps telling me that it's "irrational" to be afraid so that i have to deal with it | 15:09 |
| ggabriel | that image doesn't beat the "trust me, my father is a doctor" though | 15:09 |
| covox | ggabriel: does she say this before or after the gremlin climbs onto the wing | 15:10 |
| ggabriel | covox: before, after and during | 15:10 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: actually i spend a lot of time watching the spreadsheet and cleaning it (reformating data, reordering rows manually, merging duplicates...) | 15:10 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: you're so cute when you're waiting :) | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: ermm | 15:11 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: this is me while waiting http://us.123rf.com/450wm/djedzura/djedzura1304/djedzura130400025/18912140-mad-man-waiting-his-food-in-a-restaurant.jpg | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo | not that cute imho | 15:12 |
| covox | you're telling us | 15:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: welcome to the club | 15:12 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: The less you try to be cute, the more you are | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo | well, i'm fucked | 15:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: how did you get to Jolla if it's not a secret? | 15:12 |
| TheBootroo | :-) | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: you and many others look like cartman waiting for his wii to me | 15:12 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: http://pastebin.com/pWZsnyJK | 15:12 |
| tachikoma | --verbose output from the installation | 15:13 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: ok, interesting, i'd probably need to compare | 15:14 |
| cybette | ZogG_laptop: ah you mean you haven't met me in live chat here. i thought you mean in person | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | but the very first thing there is related to /tmp | 15:14 |
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| cybette | i'm here quite a bit, usually lurking :P | 15:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: both | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | erm, scratch that, read incorrectly | 15:15 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: I'm looking at it but have other work as well, was not planning to spend so long on this ... | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: go do some work | 15:15 |
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| tachikoma | na, still not working, well, later i'll check again | 15:16 |
| cybette | ZogG_laptop: i worked for nokia but in symbian. doing multimedia development and then integration (with open source cross platform helix). was always interested in maemo and the internet tablets. became active in maemo/meego community in finland, esp in terms of organizing events. here i am. | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm some people seems to have cancels in shipment :\ | 15:16 |
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| ggabriel | tachikoma: yeah, the error appears when adding the device | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | cybette: cool | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | it makes sense | 15:16 |
| cybette | re: cancels in shipment, Jolla didn't cancel anything, please contact fedex. they should be getting the package to you | 15:17 |
| cybette | mattaustin: ^^ | 15:17 |
| MMori | wasn't it mattaustin who contacted fedex and they told him there's nothing more they can tell him? | 15:18 |
| cybette | mattaustin: please contact fedex again, they have the responsibility to deliver the package to you. from Jolla side we can't do anything right now (or maybe i can fly to UK and threaten the Fedex guy who told you the wrong info) | 15:20 |
| cybette | see this https://twitter.com/zlatkoe/status/411498936554123264 | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | cybette: if you do that, let me know and i'll support by throwing crumpets at them | 15:21 |
| cybette | ggabriel: yes, we'll make a great team! | 15:21 |
| mattaustin | cybette: OK - will call them again. Last time I called they said there was nothing more they could tell/help me with other than that I should contact the sender. They said they received notification from the sender (something like "DHL fulfiilment services" to cancel the shipment). | 15:22 |
| mattaustin | cybette: I | 15:22 |
| mattaustin | cybette: I'll tell them you'll throw crumpets this time, and see if they change their story ;) | 15:22 |
| nander | 52.3% | 15:22 |
| TheBootroo | nander: yep | 15:23 |
| cybette | mattaustin: tell them to stuff the notification up DHL's huuha and just give you the device or else ggabriel and I will throw crumpets | 15:23 |
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| TheBootroo | mattaustin: why mention of DHL ? isn't fedex used and not DHL ? | 15:23 |
| FireFly | does anyone here know of any good SyncML tool for linux? (assuming that's what the USB transfer mode on the Jolla uses) | 15:23 |
| MMori | :D I love Jolla team. | 15:23 |
| nander | Can someone do a percentages by country table? | 15:23 |
| * cybette wonder's about DHL's involvement too, checking.. | 15:23 | |
| * mattaustin will wait for cybette to investigate the mystery DHL involvement before re-contacting fedex... :) | 15:25 | |
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| ggabriel | mattaustin: i'd encourage you to contact them again, this time aim to get a different person | 15:25 |
| Bysmyyr | mattaustin: there was some trange notice about dhl in my package | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | ask to speak to supervisor if necessary, ask for names and so on | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | mattaustin: finally, send them an email so that things remain in writing, companies don't like things in writing that make them liable | 15:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ha new update is here? | 15:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | 10.10.5 ? | 15:27 |
| ln- | no? | 15:30 |
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| cybette | mattaustin: ok, we did NOT cancel anything. FedEx probably tried to deliver and failed first time, they will attempt delivery again (most likely on monday) | 15:36 |
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| cybette | mattaustin: only thing we can advice now is wait. and apparently the wrong status is caused by tech problems on FedEx side too :P | 15:36 |
| tachikoma | mh, it's not like they should have some experience with such a task .... | 15:37 |
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| tachikoma | sending stuiff from a to b | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | the world's package postal system is broken | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | there is a nice article out there | 15:38 |
| MMori | I wonder how much iPple has paid FedEx to make a tech problem appear :P | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | that says shocking things such as "a missed delivery counts as a successful delivery, kpi-wise" | 15:38 |
| faenil | tachikoma, ahaha | 15:38 |
| MMori | They must be so afraid | 15:38 |
| tachikoma | MMori: who, apple, google, ms? | 15:39 |
| leinir | wait... you're expecting competence from a modern day shipping company?! ;) | 15:39 |
| MMori | tachikoma: All of them! | 15:39 |
| tbr | mmmm, new SDK, yummy | 15:39 |
| * tbr ponders to download it over HSPA | 15:39 | |
| ggabriel | leinir: no, they are businesses. i expect govs to set them straight | 15:39 |
| MMori | tbr: 83% ready :) | 15:40 |
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| tachikoma | MMori: well, they need to look at maemo and then are not scared anymore I'd say | 15:40 |
| leinir | ggabriel: *gasp* Government interfering with free trade, what are you, a communist?! ;) | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | leinir: no, govs give away licenses for couriers/shipping companies/etc | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | and along with those, they should enforce certain rules | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | such as "make your best bloody effort to deliver packages" | 15:41 |
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| MMori | tachikoma: what do you mean by that? They should be fighting for their business | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to "eeehh, it's the end of the day, i won't deliver these 10 last items and claim that nobody was home" | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | leinir: obviously, there are some companies better than others :) | 15:42 |
| mattaustin | cybette: Thanks for investigating! Don't think it's a missed delivery as it only just touched down in the UK from France before being set to cancelled (would expect it to go to another distribution centre in the south of England first). Will phone them again now and threaten a ggabriel&cybette crumpet attack. | 15:42 |
| leinir | ggabriel: indeed :) | 15:42 |
| tbr | bloody hell, disk full condition destroys the auto updater | 15:42 |
| * tbr scrambles for a copy of ~/sailfishos/components.xml | 15:43 | |
| MMori | tbr: ouch | 15:43 |
| leinir | full disk condition pretty much ruins everything :P | 15:43 |
| tbr | sure disk full is bad, but graceful recovery should be always preferred | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | * except root processes in modern distros | 15:43 |
| tachikoma | MMori: maemoe was wonderful for those who used it but never ever got any momentum in the smartphone world | 15:43 |
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| tachikoma | I can't see how google would be afraid of jolla, they might just wait and see how it's developing | 15:44 |
| cybette | mattaustin: ok, mention also you contacted sender (Jolla) and we made no cancellation. btw DHL involvement is because we're using DHL warehouse here in Finland :) | 15:44 |
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| tachikoma | also - fighting for a business does not include bribing of third party services to sabotage deliveries. I'm pretty sure that would be illegal | 15:45 |
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| tbr | hmf, can someone upload their components.xml to e.g. pastebin please? | 15:45 |
| MMori | tachikoma: that is true, but I hope Jolla will change some priorities and features in devices in the near future | 15:45 |
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| * tbr gives up and will update the SDK at home *sigh* | 15:46 | |
| MMori | tachikoma: you'll never know what kinds of desperate acts companies can come up with :P | 15:46 |
| MMori | tachikoma: And I might not have been all that serious about it | 15:46 |
| MMori | but what I'm serious about is that today is 13th friday. _everything_ will fail | 15:47 |
| ZogG_lap1op | hahaha | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | 13th is funny | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | esp when in buildings where there is no such floor | 15:48 |
| tachikoma | MMori: yeah, i just can't imagine anyone to see jolla as a thread right now | 15:48 |
| MMori | ggabriel: indeed | 15:48 |
| tbr | yeah, had some fun meltdowns at work | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | ofc when i'm asked what floor i'm going to in the lift, i say "13" :) | 15:48 |
| Yaniel | isn't it called 12b or something like that? :D | 15:49 |
| tachikoma | ok, i don't know about the contracts they do in china ... | 15:49 |
| MMori | ggabriel: do you laugh like crazy after that? | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: in my little experience, it goes from 12 to 14 | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | MMori: i put a straight face for as long as i can | 15:49 |
| MMori | :D | 15:49 |
| Yaniel | ah | 15:49 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | 13 floor is reserved for nsa | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | old echomail programs for bbs's used to fail because of the 13th too | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | and now you can guess my age ;-) | 15:50 |
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| Yaniel | around 142? | 15:51 |
| Yaniel | (I'm not very good at this) | 15:51 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: more or less, luckily, i look younger | 15:51 |
| tachikoma | ahhhh - ffs. Why are there two virtualbox ui's ... vboxgtk and VirtualBox | 15:51 |
| Yaniel | that is always nice | 15:51 |
| tachikoma | I had always the gtk version stared and its way more reduced than the qt thingy ... | 15:51 |
| tachikoma | here i can see the disk settings, the gtk ui thing never showed that | 15:52 |
| * mattaustin on hold with fedex, they are taking a long time to double-check the status for me | 15:52 | |
| * cybette holding her breath for mattaustin | 15:53 | |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: 51.6% | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: it all makes more sense now | 15:53 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: woohoo, although i expected a bit more, maybe people not updating the spreadsheet coz they have their phones and can't be asked? | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: XDD | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | why not | 15:54 |
| mattaustin | cybette: Good news! I've been told to ignore the 'cancelled' status. Apparently their internal system says it is still clearing customs. Phew! :D | 15:54 |
| mattaustin | A completely different story to my previous phone call! | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | mattaustin: hallelujah !! | 15:54 |
| * ggabriel saving the crumpets for breakfast then | 15:54 | |
| ggabriel | actually, cybette, i change my mind | 15:55 |
| mattaustin | ggabriel: Haha. Excellent! | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | s/crumpets/mince pies/ | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | they make more mess, easier to throw, and if you have spares they go excellent with tea at this time of the year | 15:55 |
| cybette | mattaustin: yaya yayay! | 15:55 |
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| * mattaustin is very happy now :D | 15:56 | |
| cybette | ggabriel: mmmm mince pies | 15:56 |
| * cybette is happy for mattaustin | 15:56 | |
| Yaniel | so "technical problems" regarding shipping | 15:56 |
| Yaniel | at FedEx | 15:56 |
| Yaniel | >totally expected | 15:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i really hope the amount of people this has happened to is few | 15:56 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and now the delivery goes like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHshGXgiEYc | 15:56 |
| mattaustin | cybette: Thanks so much for your double-checking! | 15:56 |
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| cybette | mattaustin: don't mention it, it was at least something i could help with. | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: lol | 15:58 |
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| TheBootroo | x_X | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | it's funny because it's true | 15:58 |
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| MMori | conan ftw :D | 15:59 |
| Yaniel | okay that is not even laziness anymore | 15:59 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: this is criminal | 15:59 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: ok, seems to work now, starts mer build vm and sailfish emulation vm just fine. All i did was start them first with the qt virtualbos ui and shut them down again | 16:00 |
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| ggabriel | Stskeeps: under 0.01%, wild guess? | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: cool | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | still | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | installer should handle vboxmanage errors better | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | your particular error was on the mer sdk side though | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | which i am not familiar with | 16:00 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: 50.9M | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo | *% | 16:06 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: 5% more | 16:06 |
| ggabriel | at least today | 16:06 |
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| tachikoma | lol | 16:07 |
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| Tofe | what architecture is the Jolla? armv7? | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: armv7hl | 16:27 |
| Tofe | ok | 16:28 |
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| ggabriel | or armv7 highlander as i call it | 16:28 |
| FiSHBoY | lol | 16:28 |
| Tofe | :-) | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | (that's what the pakcages say btw, not sure exactly if there is any other detail) | 16:28 |
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| anonfriese__ | so just in case: someone already developing a tt-rss client for sailfish? otherwise thaht'll be my weekend-project | 16:31 |
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| Acce | does someone know some trusted source where I can download google play store's apk? | 16:32 |
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| Jonni | Acce: there really isnt trusted sources, other than google itself, all other sources can always have something injected | 16:36 |
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| Acce | Jonni: That's too bad then.. it would be nice to try it, because updating some stuff is quite the pain manually | 16:38 |
| Jonni | ofcourse there are 'semi' trusted sources, but you have to decide yourself if you trust them. | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | good evening | 17:03 |
| covox | morning | 17:03 |
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| yanoo | no device shipped today? :( | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | yanoo: plenty of them | 17:07 |
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| Quu | i still dont get people who say the phone has shitty battery life | 17:37 |
| Quu | 12h (of moderate usage + navigation) and still 48% left | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | Quu: i think if you switch on android it goes down quicker | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | plus, these first days battery life doesn't count | 17:38 |
| Quu | ggabriel: i used sygic, android navigator | 17:38 |
| ggabriel | oh, and location as well was a problem | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | but a proper test was done and it lasted easily 2 days | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | which is same or better than n9, which is good enough already | 17:39 |
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| ggabriel | i'll see when/if i get mine :) | 17:39 |
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| Quu | any battery left after 9h workday is fine | 17:39 |
| ggabriel | well, i disagree with that ;) i want more as standard | 17:40 |
| nahkiss | well, people have different definition of good battery life | 17:40 |
| ggabriel | unless you are constantly watching a film or using turn by turn nav | 17:40 |
| nahkiss | to me, N9 already had a bad | 17:40 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: exactly | 17:40 |
| ggabriel | don't get me wrong, n9 is "good enough" | 17:40 |
| nahkiss | I need to keep it on 2G and mobile data + wifi disabled for it to last 2 days | 17:40 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: wait, have you ever changed it? :) | 17:41 |
| nahkiss | changed the battery? nope | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | there you go | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | batteries don't last longer than a year at almost full performance | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | as a rule, they go down to 75% after the year and start declining | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | mine is starting doing so again (changed it last xmas) | 17:41 |
| Quu | any way to blacklist phone numbers? | 17:41 |
| ggabriel | altho i have to say it lasted long enough | 17:42 |
| Quu | telemarketer just called me. | 17:42 |
| nahkiss | my old htc desire still beats N9, even if it's way older :P | 17:42 |
| Quu | its almost 8pm on friday. | 17:42 |
| Quu | wtf. | 17:42 |
| nahkiss | Quu: shift work | 17:42 |
| ggabriel | nahkiss: can't tell, never owned an htc | 17:42 |
| nahkiss | Quu: finnish? | 17:43 |
| Quu | maybe | 17:43 |
| Quu | depends if its good or bad thing. | 17:43 |
| nahkiss | well I just happen to know the laws for Finland | 17:43 |
| nahkiss | laws / guidelines / whatever | 17:43 |
| Quu | same woman called me last week | 17:44 |
| Quu | about electricity contract | 17:44 |
| nahkiss | 9 to 20:30 on weekdays, 10 to 18 on saturday | 17:44 |
| Quu | told her to take the shit and eat it. | 17:44 |
| ggabriel | ^^ lol | 17:44 |
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| Quu | seems like i get calls from 3 same telemarketers | 17:45 |
| Quu | always same people calling | 17:45 |
| Quu | its so annoying | 17:45 |
| nahkiss | are you sure they're not just stalkers having a crush on you | 17:45 |
| Quu | that is always possible. | 17:46 |
| ggabriel | how to respond to telemarketers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10 | 17:47 |
| ggabriel | and if you can say "el senior no esta", much better | 17:47 |
| Quu | well the most annoying part is: you cant even say anything untill they finish that 3min talk | 17:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol, our shipping list got linked in a huge german computer news website | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC | http://www.computerbase.de/news/2013-12/technische-probleme-bei-auslieferung-des-jolla-smartphones/ | 18:34 |
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| nander | 49.1% :D | 18:40 |
| nander | >50% of devices are beyond paid.. | 18:43 |
| nander | Mine not yet :( | 18:43 |
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| nander | New: percentage row ;) | 18:47 |
| nander | column* | 18:47 |
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| nander | Btw, the device looks awesome ;) | 18:49 |
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| nander | But the what'sapp android app is as unstable as they get | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC | I heard persecute works | 18:53 |
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| Tujutzki | Morpog_PC: that´s good to hear | 18:55 |
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| Bysmyyr | Morpog_PC: how to install it. whataps creshes quite often, and new message sounds is very very light | 18:58 |
| Bysmyyr | and cannot import new contacts | 18:58 |
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| FireFly | How is the USB PC transfer mode supposed to work? Judging by lsusb output, it seems to offer "SyncML" via OBEX, but as far as I can find linux support for that seems to be a bit mediocre currently.. :\ | 19:02 |
| ZogG_lap1op | we should ask tgalal what is openwhatsapp state is? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: MTP | 19:02 |
| FireFly | Hm | 19:03 |
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| deuss | heya :) | 19:03 |
| ZogG_lap1op | hey | 19:03 |
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| deuss | which bug tracker is appropriate for UI related bugs? | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | Bysamir, ask coderus, he removed ARM package as he cannot test it by himself | 19:04 |
| ZogG_lap1op | Morpog_PC: he would be able soon | 19:04 |
| ZogG_lap1op | deuss: is there bug tracker? | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | i know, he hacks atm on nemomobile middleware :) | 19:04 |
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| deuss | well Mer and Nemo have ones? | 19:05 |
| deuss | but I'm unfamiliar with the Jolla ecosystem | 19:05 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: cool, mtpfs works like a charm :3 | 19:05 |
| Morpog_PC | deuss, there is no sailfish bugtracker yet | 19:05 |
| deuss | and a bit too drunk to go digging in the trenches to be honest | 19:05 |
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| ZogG_lap1op | FireFly: whats your distro? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | deuss: being drunk is the -best- time to dig in jolla trenches | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:05 |
| deuss | should I just mail Jolla? | 19:05 |
| Morpog_PC | or explain the bug here | 19:06 |
| FireFly | ZogG_lap1op: arch | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | deuss: tell about the bug, i can help file if it's reproducable | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | if it reproducable a Jolla employe might pick it up | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | lol, what he said | 19:06 |
| deuss | I had the Android Spotify crash and the lock screen icons didn't remove themselves | 19:06 |
| deuss | rebooted the device twice and they multiplied | 19:06 |
| deuss | kinda bizarre | 19:06 |
| deuss | also, they lost transparency | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | ? screenshot? | 19:07 |
| deuss | steps to reproduce would be to have Spotify crash and relaunch the service | 19:07 |
| deuss | well | 19:08 |
| ZogG_lap1op | deuss: take the picture | 19:08 |
| deuss | reset it already | 19:08 |
| deuss | as I said | 19:08 |
| deuss | drunk and in a hurry | 19:08 |
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| deuss | bluetooth device does seem to make the sound layer more crash prone for whatever reason, I've got a Bluetooth 2 Scosche BoomBottle and the player managed to crash twice with it, zero times before :) | 19:11 |
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| FireFly | Stskeeps: hmm, transferring files via MTP seems to happen in "increments", where it stops for a second or two every once in a while.. and when I tried copying files via scp, it seemed to close my ssh session after 70-or-so MB transferred | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: check your dmesg | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | deuss: what version are you on and what's your current % of blood-alcohol? | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | FireFly: did usb connection break at any point | 19:22 |
| FireFly | I do see a few disconnections, but I'm not sure if they're during a transfer or earlier | 19:22 |
| * FireFly retries | 19:23 | |
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| deuss | Stskeeps: I'm thinking latest patch, too illegal to drive | 19:25 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: nothing during MTP transfers, anyway | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: okay | 19:25 |
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| dunp | i hope it is can be network share | 19:29 |
| dunp | so filesystem can be ext4 and can be user on windows over samba | 19:30 |
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| chem|st | re | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | It's funny how Jolla's "technical difficulties" email made ircers go "Finally, meaningful communication!" | 19:42 |
| hene- | question: should there be some androidmode-app on the apps list? | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | And my rl friend when his Lumia told him he got email from Jolla dropped everything only to discover "not yet" msg :) | 19:43 |
| nander | If shit's going south, tell us ;) | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | And then was in a foul mood rest of the day.. | 19:43 |
| nander | His fault ;). Don't get your hopes up while there is no hope xD | 19:43 |
| hene- | I have Andoird-tuki installed from store | 19:43 |
| hene- | but cant see it on the Apps list at the phone | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | hene-: it's yandex.store | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | it's not an app | 19:44 |
| hene- | ah, ok | 19:44 |
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| dunp | can i install owncloud to it? | 19:45 |
| dunp | and avahi | 19:46 |
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| nander | Does anyone know why the google graph percentage and my percentage of paid differ? | 19:51 |
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| Venemo | hi | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | good evening Venemo | 19:57 |
| Venemo | you too Stskeeps :) | 19:58 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: whatever happened to "it's always morning on irc" :p | 19:58 |
| nander | It's _always_ morning | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: screw it, it's cold and dark outside | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:58 |
| w00t | valid point | 19:58 |
| nander | It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere, I'm all alive more or less | 19:58 |
| w00t | Venemo: hi anyway ;) | 19:59 |
| Venemo | not only cold and dark; very cold and dark | 19:59 |
| Venemo | hi w00t :) | 19:59 |
| * w00t realises he didn't install puzzle master yet | 19:59 | |
| * lpotter notices its light and hot outside | 20:00 | |
| ccha4 | hum I can't connect on wlan :( | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ccha4: what kind of WLAN? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ie, security | 20:01 |
| Venemo | lpotter: I envy you a bit for that :) | 20:01 |
| ccha4 | open one with authen | 20:01 |
| lpotter | Venemo: you might until you realize xmas is usually upwards of 40c | 20:02 |
| Morpog_PC | it's foggy here outside | 20:02 |
| Morpog_PC | and dark and cold of course | 20:02 |
| Venemo | lpotter: does it get equally as cold there at the time when it's 40°C here? | 20:03 |
| lpotter | no. 'cold' is 3c | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | -3°C here | 20:03 |
| ccha4 | and secure one with WAP2-PSK can't add this connexion | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | finally went back to the negative side | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | ccha4: hmm, WPA2-PSK should work fine | 20:04 |
| lpotter | Venemo: my 8 year old has seen early morning frost _twice_ in his life | 20:04 |
| FireFly | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html ← relevant to the greeting discussion above | 20:04 |
| Venemo | lpotter: wow! | 20:05 |
| * lpotter though open wlan ment no auth | 20:05 | |
| lpotter | thought | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | ccha4: got developer mode? | 20:06 |
| ccha4 | I should try to see what developer mode look like | 20:07 |
| lpotter | you'd need connection for developer mode | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | if so, devel-su, iwlist wlan0 scanning | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 20:08 |
| ccha4 | only 3G mode work | 20:09 |
| ccha4 | with open wlan, I got ip adress | 20:11 |
| ccha4 | but browser couldn't find my authen webpage url | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you mean a portal? | 20:11 |
| ccha4 | yes | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | ccha4: what version of sailfish are you on? | 20:12 |
| ccha4 | the 1st one | 20:13 |
| ccha4 | just received the phone today and not updated yet | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | okay, the second one might have fixes that helps you | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 20:13 |
| ccha4 | can I update sailfish from 3G ? | 20:14 |
| ccha4 | with* | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but wifi is recommended | 20:14 |
| nander | Even though it doesn't work on quite a few networks... | 20:14 |
| nander | Among which the eduroam here | 20:14 |
| nander | Unless there is a way to get advanced settings of wifi networks | 20:15 |
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| Bysmyyr | i.e. wpa2-enterprise | 20:21 |
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| ccha4 | oh I reboot it | 20:22 |
| ccha4 | and now secure wlan works | 20:22 |
| Bysmyyr | eduroam works like that every university have its own auth server. they use sertificates. then you can connect to eduroam ~every university in europe and it checks credentials from your home university. credentials are private for every user | 20:24 |
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| nander | It worked on the n9 | 20:25 |
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| Chaz6 | there's even eduroam sites in australia :3 | 20:26 |
| Chaz6 | i used to run a site | 20:26 |
| Chaz6 | (in the uk) | 20:26 |
| Chaz6 | I know where the uk nrps are | 20:27 |
| tbr | Bysmyyr: you'd need to check, maybe you can add it somehow to connman | 20:27 |
| Bysmyyr | tbr: thanks | 20:28 |
| nander | It needs EAP with TTLS / PAP | 20:28 |
| Bysmyyr | https://www.eduroam.org/index.php?p=faq#technology | 20:29 |
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| nander | The settings menu available in all linux systems, and also on the n9 seems to be missing on sailfish | 20:30 |
| * messerting likes @cybette - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1396149&postcount=661 | 20:30 | |
| Bysmyyr | https://www.eduroam.org/index.php?p=where lot of spots | 20:33 |
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| Venemo | lpotter: anyway, when it gets this cold I always feel that it'd be awesome to move to a place like Australia :) where it's never really cold | 20:38 |
| nander | and get killed by wildlife ;) | 20:40 |
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| ccha4 | updating to 1.0.10 :) | 20:45 |
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| * SpeedEvil is in the process of installing a 570% efficient heater. | 20:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | Technology is awesome. | 20:48 |
| nander | lol xD | 20:48 |
| nander | You mean a heat pump? | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 20:48 |
| nander | The tech is nice | 20:49 |
| nander | If the water below the ground isn't flowing, and the area ain't too densely populated | 20:49 |
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| nander | The first kinda ruins the purpose | 20:49 |
| nander | The second limits the percentage of people that can use it | 20:49 |
| nander | I read people around 17xx who got theirs -> picking | 20:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 20:51 |
| nander | How high is the increase per day now? | 20:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's slow going, but it's getting delivered | 20:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i thought i saw < 800 yesterday | 20:51 |
| nander | I have a feeling the last couple of days were going quite well | 20:51 |
| nander | And shipment is crazy fast | 20:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's good | 20:51 |
| nander | 2 days or so from finland to the netherlands | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i've seen this guy where the next day it would be delivered (from fi to fr) | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | donno if this actually happened | 20:52 |
| nander | It's possible | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nander: you from .nl? | 20:52 |
| nander | Yeah ;) | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 20:52 |
| * AL13N_lizzy from .be | 20:52 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | but no preorder | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so, no jolla | 20:52 |
| nander | It's possible if it arrives precisely in time at the airport | 20:53 |
| cybette | messerting: :) | 20:53 |
| nander | And arrives at the other side precisely on time | 20:53 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | nander: i guess so | 20:53 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | nander: btw: have you used coolblue before? | 20:53 |
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| nander | No | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nander: those guys are crazy fast | 20:53 |
| ccha4 | 388 got the phone today | 20:53 |
| nander | Delivered? | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nander: if you order 23:59, you still get it the next day | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | often even at 9am | 20:54 |
| nander | I don't order that much ;) | 20:54 |
| nander | I'm a student ;) | 20:54 |
| * AL13N_lizzy neither | 20:54 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | i have ordered 1 nas for me, and recently 1 present for wife | 20:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | work ordered phone battery from them too | 20:54 |
| ccha4 | where can I find more information about developper mode ? | 20:54 |
| nander | Well, I pay a lot of online orders, but that's because I'm the treasurer of a nonprofit ICT store ;) | 20:54 |
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| nander | But luckily these aren't off of my own account | 20:55 |
| nander | I would've been bankrupted otherwise xD | 20:55 |
| cybette | ccha4: you can try asking here :) | 20:55 |
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| nander | 388 is not on scheme yet, is it? | 20:59 |
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| Bysmyyr | google authenticator works nice, but yobi authenticator not(needs NFC, that is maybe problem, crash when start) | 21:20 |
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| Tofe | is there some kind of offline maps right now ? | 21:24 |
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| Bysmyyr | Any idea to get camera access to android program(barcode reader: zxing) | 21:25 |
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| nander | Bysmyyr - not yet possible I think | 21:37 |
| tbr | Bysmyyr: I think it's high on their todo list | 21:39 |
| Bysmyyr | ok(are you speakin NFC or camera?) | 21:40 |
| Bysmyyr | btw: humblebundle works perfectly | 21:40 |
| nander | Awesome | 21:41 |
| Bysmyyr | atleast crayon physics deluxe | 21:41 |
| Bysmyyr | but eats battery... | 21:41 |
| Bysmyyr | now it says: out of memory | 21:42 |
| Bysmyyr | I had email and browser open | 21:43 |
| Bysmyyr | and yle areena program | 21:43 |
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| nander | Last song of the day, I'll be gone in 20 mins ;) | 21:51 |
| nander | Haken - Visions will be the final song of the day for me ;) | 21:51 |
| Quu | anyone plays bf4? i just got 1166% accuracy in one round.. | 21:51 |
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| Acce | so you hit about 10 targets each bullet? | 21:57 |
| nander | He didn't shoot, but did kill ;) | 21:58 |
| Bysmyyr | worms2 is little bit lacky, but usable :p | 21:59 |
| nander | Damm, haken - visions is an awesome song ;) | 22:02 |
| nander | 22 minutes of awesomeness | 22:02 |
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| Yaniel | is the phone really supposed not to boot when the charger is plugged in and battery is at <5% ? | 23:54 |
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